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...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity
poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become
immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their
demands known.
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Mark Barnes, System Engineer | <insert standard disclaimers here>
SunSoft |
Corporate Technical Escalations | I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA | not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM |
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <mjones.735584681@fenway> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com
(Mike Jones) writes:
> dans@fore.csd.sgi.com (Dan Steinman) writes:
> >Last night on the Giants/Mets radio broadcast Hank and Ted were
> >discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit
> >200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career (while HoJo was
> >batting). Anyone have a list? Not as easy as it sounds to come up
> >with all of them. I couldn't. Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Henderson, Morgan,
> >Bonds (Dad), ??? Frank Robinson? Molitor? Yount? Guessing now. I'd
> >be interested to see the whole list.
>
> First, please watch your line lengths. Not everyone has autowrap.
> Second, Franklin to the rescue! Here's the list:
> Player HR SB
> Aaron 755 240
> Mays 660 338
> FRobinson 586 204
> RJackson 563 228
> Winfield 406 216 *
> Dawson 377 304 *
> Baylor 338 285
> BoBonds 332 461
> Wynn 291 225
> Strawberry 280 201 *
> Morgan 268 689
> Pinson 256 309
> Yount 235 247 *
> KGibson 208 253 *
> Sandberg 205 297 *
>
> Players marked with an * are still active; numbers through 1991. That's
only
> 15; the 16th is probably Rickey Henderson, who was listed at 184 HR, 994
> SB or George Brett, listed as 186 SB, 291 HR.
>
> The surprises? Probably Reggie, Bayor, and Wynn for steals. Maybe Morgan
(to
> a lot of people) for homers. I was kind of surprised to realize that
> Sandberg has that many steals, though I wasn't surprised that the number
was
> >200.
>
> Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development |
mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
>
> Dreams are real while they last. Can we say more of life?
> - Havelock Ellis
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Excerpts from cmu.comp.sys.mac: 5-Apr-93 Re: SE Serial Port Speed???? by
Samuel John Kass@andrew.
>
> Sorry, I got a bit technical. To answer your question, your Mac SE will
> have no problem whatsoever communicating with any modem that is 57,600
> bps or less, and since modems THAT fast don't exist yet (in a
> standardized form), there's no need to worry.
>
actually a 14.4 kbps modem using standard compression (v3.2 v4.2.bis?)
cna reach 57,600 bps, however I have not seen any server modems that
have hardware compression. I have been told the annex modems here break
up at ~36k, but I have never seen faster than 14.4kbps.
_A.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5HqxJ.JDG@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes:
>Hmmmm. Define objective morality. Well, depends upon who you talk to.
>Some say it means you can't have your hair over your ears, and others say
>it means Stryper is acceptable. _I_ would say that general principles
>of objective morality would be listed in one or two places.
>Ten Commandments
>Sayings of Jesus
>the first depends on whether you trust the Bible,
>the second depends on both whether you think Jesus is God, and whether
> you think we have accurate copies of the NT.
Gong!
Take a moment and look at what you just wrote. First you defined
an "objective" morality and then you qualified this "objective" morality
with subjective justifications. Do you see the error in this?
Sorry, you have just disqualified yourself, but please play again.
>MAC
>
eric
| 19talk.religion.misc |
neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>The concrete floor accelerates the problem because it is a heat sink and a
>colder lead-acid battery self-discharges at a slightly faster rate. That's
>why the old wives' tale of sitting it on a piece of wood on the floor works
>to help keep from killing the battery as fast ---- it insulates the battery
>thermally. It you'll set the battery down on a piece of styrofoam, it will
>self-discharge even slower.
There are a number of inaccuracies here:
1) In fact, a colder battery will self-discharge more slowly. This is why
batteries should be stored in a COOL, dry place.
2) An battery placed on concrete does not become colder than one placed
on wood. The battery, the wood, and the concrete will all be at the
same general temperature (ignoring temperature fluctuations) and thus
none will effect the other.
>The best thing would be to attach a small load
>such as a small transistor radio with the volume turned down low and leave it
>on constantly, but also trickle-charge it every couple days too to "shallow-
>cycle" the charge in the battery. Such mild "exercising" of a lead-acid
>battery is the next best thing to completely removing the electrolyte for
>storage.
There is no need to 'exercise' the battery. Just keep it charged. (A trickle
charger will do the job.)
[stuff deleted]
| 12sci.electronics |
Jesus Christ!!!
The score is now 6-0. The Pens are beating the shit out of the Devils who
gave up in the middle of the 2nd period. ESPN does something smart. The
announcer states "well folks this game is getting out of hand. Lets go to
the Islander/Capitals game." I celebrate as I was actually making progress in
my CS homework because I was so bored by the scheduled game. I tear down and
throw on my jersey, Hunter scores I go ape shit 'cause this is the first
caps game I've been able to watch all season. And what does ESPN do? they
go back to the blowout that NJ hasn't a chance in hell of winning!
The period ends and the sportscaster (CAPITOLS JUST TIED IT UP!! YES!!
oops excuse me =) goes into his penguin worship mode (Dont freak pens fans!
They are worthy of this! I'm so glad we wont have to play them as much next
year!) and here comes the 3rd period...what? its the blowout again. Oh they
were just waiting for the Cap/Isles to get out of intermission. Good
they've put a close game back on. Wait! WHATS THIS SHIT?!! THEY'RE SHOWING
THE BLOWOUT AGAIN!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
(Oh guess what the score is now 7-0 penguins! Switch games you $%&*#@!!!)
Holy shit they're changing games! ITS ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME!! Lets see if
they'll stay.
Later
I think this proves by $#%&* point. The Caps game goes into overtime but
"due to contractual obligations" they have to switch to the fucking baseball.
(Sorry for my language but im PISSED!) What the hell were they going to do
if their scheduled game went into overtime? ESPN get your head out of your
ass.
Now I know there are a lot
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some
rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or
destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which
is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys.
The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk,
would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You
can design lots of protection, but with enough corruption a complete
copy is always possible. Storing it on paper or something very hard
to copy at once may actually make sense. Or a medium that can't be
copied -- for example, something with very slow access times or which
leaves a destructive trail if it is even read.
Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences
of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse
than the consequences of a secret backup.
An audit trail that reveals when data has been access, that *can't* be
erased by the humans involved, is also necessary.
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
| 11sci.crypt |
Quoting Jeffrey J. Nucciarone's (nucci@microwave.gsfc.nasa.gov) article
<C4G8Hv.Cs4@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> of 04-06-93, in pertinent part:
JJ> I am considering buying a used '90 Taurus SHO. The car in
JJ> question has 37k miles. I took it for a test drive the other day
JJ> and a few questions came up.
JJ>
JJ> . . .
JJ> Second, is there anything I should specifically look for in an
JJ> SHO of this vintage? Anything I should specifically ask abt?
JJ> (Brakes, cluthch, etc.) I noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen
JJ> point seemed a little high; since all my other cars are auto-tragics
JJ> I'm not sure abt this point. I had my foot firmly planted on the
JJ> brake when I started it up. There was a bit of a pop in the pedal
JJ> soon after the engine started. This also occured on a few T-bird SC'
JJ> I test drove. Was this the ABS self test?
Brake rotors and the clutch are the main things. There has been a clutch
replacement program; you might check to see if the car is still eligible,
as it is a change well worth making. You can also swap the cruddy cable
shifter for the newer rod shifter, also a change worth making, but that'll
cost you some $$.
My brakes usually do one wibble-wobble on startup, so that is probably
normal. Didn't know they had a self-test, that's interesting.
What kind of tires does the car have on it?
---
* WinQwk 2.0b#131 * For a good time dial 7000 on your SHO. *
| 7rec.autos |
This might a real wierd idea or maybe not..
I have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them
that then drys and makes hard walls...
Why not do the same thing for a space station..
Fly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons,
spin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry/cure/harden?
and cut a hole for the docking/attaching ring and bingo a space station..
Of course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation
protective covering/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would
have to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint/covering of
the inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe
the same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone
instea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as
strong as congret but easier to carry around and such..)
Sorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin)..
Why musta space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be
confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not
earth, why be limited by earth based ideas??
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
going crazy in Nome Alaska, break up is here..
| 14sci.space |
In article <C5r4IA.A21@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
>
> Support your First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth
>Amendment rights, lest they be taken away from you just as the FBI did
>to the Davidians. Think about it.
Also the 3rd, and the 9th. Arguably, also the 10th.
--
Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <15440@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <C5nAvn.F3p@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>>
>> Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism.
>>
>> -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
>
>When you force people to associate with others against their will,
>yes.
>
You are forced everyday to associate with people that you do not
wish to, and there isn't even a law that makes you do it. But
you do, becuase you want to go shopping, or go to work, or go to
a public park, or go to a baseball game, etc.
The process of ending discrimination is based upon the rational
concept 'that all men (women, people) are created equal', have
the same equal standing and chances in society.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used
the phrase "God-shaped hole". --clh]
"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us" (or something to that effect) is
generally attributed to Blaise Pascal.
What I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if
God is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?
=========================================================================
|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||
|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. ||
|| Standard disclaimers... ||
[Don't you think you're being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his
mind. he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had.
sax was supposed to play in left last night (4-14) but we were rained
out. it's not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team.
it's mental
jimmy
go sox, cubs suck! (that's the white sox, dontcha know?)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Does anyone know the approximate prescription cost
of a 250 ml bottle of Roxonal (morphine)?
Thanks.
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr15.195452.14672@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:
>Can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make
>absolutely no sense? (At least in the local Gannett rag that finds its way
>to my door.) I must have stared at "Cleman" in the Mets' box for a
>good 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was. Wouldn't
>it make more sense to use "Colemn"?
I've seen it as "Colmn" also.
Blame the Associated Press. After the official scorer balances the
official score card, they copy it and give it to several diffent people.
One of those is a person from AP whose job it is to type it up (using a
template on a laptop) and transmit it to the AP offices in New York
(Rockefeller Center) via the telephone. The box scores are not checked
and just rebroadcasted over AP's news delivery services. If there are
corrections, those are issued later. It is the person sitting in front
of a laptop at Shea (or whereever) whose fault that is. [NOTE: The AP
puts out boxscores in three different formats with the one you see in
most newspapers being the first one]
Last week they were in Denver. Maybe the AP person in Denver did this
(remember, they just started with MLB out there). Check tomorrow's
paper (4/21) and see if the person who is doing it from Shea does the
same thing.
--
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scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<!
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I'm getting tired of
>90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
>84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
>AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
By not being able to drive for a year, it was close enough to jail.
And, BTW, where the hell did I ask for sympathy.
I asked what to do about insurance, not about my _life_.
FWIW, if everyone was _honest_ on this group, I'd
others besides me that read this have had a DWI too.
--
Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. |
DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |
| 8rec.motorcycles |
jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Promising field experiments are being done this year in several areas of
>the country relating to chemical contraceptive baits for deer. Preliminary
>data suggests that this will be a cost-effective and humane method for
>preventing over-population of habitats.
Preliminary data regarding similar research into kangaroo overpopulation
in Australia do not in any way support the cost-effectiveness of this
approach. It _may_ be cost-effective for deer--if you quietly overlook
the fact that the net cost to the state of deer hunting is _negative_
(i.e. a profit) because the (majority of) hunters pay for licences.
The cost comparisons are probably being done assuming that people have
to be employed to cull the animals, which is not in fact the case.
You figure people are going to pay for licences to implant contraceptive
pellets or spread baits?
There has been a fair bit of discussion about this here recently,
because the kangaroo population in the grounds of the Governor-
General's residence has now reached plague proportions. Despite the
whines of the rampant animal-libbers, the most effective method of
controlling the population is still considered to be controlled
shooting.
>So, now why should we allow hunting ... to prevent over-population of
>the deer/bear/<whatever> ? Sorry, but that 'justification' of blood-
>lust is now gone with the wind. Once mass-production of this stuff
>begins, animal populations can be easily managed without a shot being
>fired. This leaves only the fact that some people *like* to go out
>in the woods and *kill* things.
Some people take satisfaction (IMHO, legitimate satisfaction) in eating
food that they have harvested themselves. The pleasure derived from
hunting is the same as that you get from eating fruit and vegetables
grown in your own garden (and, in general, game meat is probably much
freer of unpleasant chemicals than what you buy from the butcher or
the supermarket).
> That may be a motivation, but it
>cannot now be justified. Expect PETA and like organizations to use
>this argument to get hunting banned - period.
By "cannot now be justified" I guess you mean that you personally
don't see any justification. Fine--but what makes your opinion
so important?
>With no legitimate hunting, with the papers filled with stories of
>senseless murders ... I guess there won't be a chance in hell of
>building a case for the RKBA that will withstand either public
>opinion, necessity or scientific scrutiny. Don't give me that
>"silent majority wants guns" crap ... they are and will be 'silent'.
>No votes for RKBA, no RKBA.
Certainly the last point is correct. If politicians don't see any
votes for themselves in opposing stupid legislation or in developing
and supporting measures which might be effective in reducing the
incidence of violent crime they won't do these things.
Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.edu.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>,
jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
|> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|> info available on this newsgroup.
Isn't this redundent?
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> "Casper C. Knies" <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes:
>As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous...
>
>Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri,
>governor Boggs, issued his so-called "Mormon extermination order." The
>only crime ("illegal activity") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was
>their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still
>allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri.
>
>I guess the Mormons "got what they deserved," because they refused to bow
>to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This "disobedience"
^^^^^^^
>brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from
>their lands and settlements...
It is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by
"average" people, and that at the time, almost all Americans were pretty
homogeonously Christian. It was largely the mainstream Christian's disgust
at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred.
The situation is not entirely different today. Many irrational feelings and
beliefs are justified through religion. I don't think most of them are started
because of religion, but religion certainly helps justify and perpetuate
prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification which discourages
critical thought.
>In any regard, Mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities (and
>I don't even discuss how Uthan's were suckered into allowing part of their
>lands in becoming nerve-gas and atomic bomb testing grounds...) is far from
>being trusted or righteous. Have things really changed for the better? I
>may be a born cynic, but I have NO reason whatsoever that such has been the
>case. In the early 1980s, I believe, the late President Kimball (lds church
>leader), strongly protested federal attempts to locate the MX-"Peace Keeper"
>missile maze from being built in Utah (yet another "inspired" decision from
>secular authorities). Fortunately, his opposition was influential enough
>for the feds to back off.
Do you mean that the "secular authorities" are some continuous group of
people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing/eradicating the
Mormons? Do you honestly believe that the main reason for using Utah for
nuclear testing etc.. was to "get them thar Mormons"? And what about the
majority of Uthan's who aren't Mormons? You seem to be searching for enemy
conspiracies. It is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you badly
must have been done primarily for that purpose.
>... David Koresh did NOT pose a great
>threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation, and with
>John, I too wonder who or what's next...
I personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the
life of even one person. Sure, he did not pose a threat to the security of
this nation. But he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers. That
much is definite.
>Who killed who? What constitutional right did the ATF officers have to
>invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound?
>What REALLY caused the "murder" of the little children? Could it be that
>the ATF/FBI presence has any bearing upon the events? How would you
>interpret the Mt. Masada events? --Blame the Jews? (What the heck did
>the Romans do there anyway? What business did the ATF/FBI has in Waco,
>Texas???) The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society.
This is like asking who REALLY caused the deaths of the Israeli Olympic
team in 1976? In that case, the police botched the job as well. But to
lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible mistake.
I think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case. Certainly, if David
Koresh chose any peaceful option, the ATF and FBI would have complied. The
responsibility is more his than the authorities.
>David Koresh, no doubt, will be described as the "evil" guy (by the
>executioners), while the actions of all those "valiant and brave" officers
Characterizing the ATF/FBI as executioners is inaccurate and unfair. In order
to be an executioner, the least one must have done is have the intent to kill.
--
*Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * _____
*"How lucky you English are to find the toilet so amusing.* ______//_o_\\______
* For us, it is a mundane and functional item. For you, *(==(/___________\)==)
* the basis of an entire culture!" Manfred von Richtofen * \==\/ \/==/
| 19talk.religion.misc |
shiekh@ictp.trieste.it (Andy Shiekh) writes:
> I have seen the existance of electronics solder with a 2% silver
>content that seems to have good wetting and fatique reatings.
> Can anyone tell me why it is not used? (silver is not such an expensive
>metal).
This is called silver bearing solder. It is used to solder to
devices that have silvered contacts. One application is soldering
to the ceramic terminal strips used in the old Tektronix scopes. These
were notched ceramic strips that were silver plated in the notches.
If you used ordinary solder the molten metal would disolve the silver
off of the ceramic. The silver was quite thin. The 2% is a saturated
solution of silver in tin and lead. Thus, no more silver can be
disolved in the solder solution. Other devices that use silver contacts
are quartz crystals and ultrasonic transducers.
--
-->>>>>>>>>> Peter Reilley ..... pvr@wiis.wang.com ..... KA1LAT <<<<<<<<<<<--
For info on BEAV (Binary Editor And Viewer) finger pvr@das.wang.com
Well, that about says it.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr20.165918.16574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman) writes:
|> Does anybody know what is going on with Lankford? I know he was
|> out for a few games with a slight injury, but since he has
|> beenback (and before the injury for that matter) he has been
|> really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths.
His performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury
received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the Cincy series.
It may also be him pressing a little.
As for the baserunning, it does not appear to be just Lankford.
Dent made the bad call sending Lankford in the Sunday night game
against Cincy - but everyone had a bad time against the Dodger's catcher.
|>
|> Whereis the Ray Lankford we saw last year???
Good question. At least it doesn't appear that we are seeing the
same Zeile :-)
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Can anyone out there tell me why they call left-handed pitchers
"Southpaw"?
Also the story on how the term originated.
Thanks!!
Go Cubs!
Prediction: They will finish over .500 this year without winning the East.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr21.021301.25113@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
> Here is a press release from the White House.
> Number one, that there was a limit to how long the
> federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the
> quality and intensity of coverage by experts there.
Lucky they brought the situation to a prompt resolution before they had to
turn things over to the amateurs.
> They might be needed in other parts of the country.
God help us all.
--
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OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Does System 7.X support all SCSI CD ROM drives? Or are specific drivers
needed for each different make/model?
Specifically, I'm looking at getting a NEC CDR-25, mainly because they
are cheap. I know its a slow drive, but multimedia isn't my interest.
I mainly want it for extracting software distributed on CD.
Will I need to get a specific driver to use this drive on a Mac?
thanks...Charles
--
/ Charles Carlson umcarls9@ccu.Umanitoba.CA
\ Warning: This article contains flammable material that may ignite without
/ prior notice. Read only with protective eyeware.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I would like to know if anyone has had any luck using the upper 128 ASCII
characters on a Sun station. I am trying to convert a fortran program to run
on a Sun. When we write character buffers to the Sun which contain char(218)
or char(196) or char(197) etc. We get characters on the screen but they are
not the characters in the standard ASCII tables.
Any ideas or help will be appreciated.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <ltu4buINNe7j@caspian.usc.edu> zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:
>|> See Foley, van Dam, Feiner, and Hughes, _Computer Graphics: Principles
>|> and Practice, Second Edition_.
>|>
>|> [If people would *read* this book, 75 percent of the questions in this
>|> froup would disappear overnight...]
>|>
> Not really. I think it is less than 10%.
Nah... I figure most people would be so busy reading that they wouldn't
have *time* to post. :-) :-) :-)
spl
--
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Until I meet you, then, in Upper Hell
Convulsed, foaming immortal blood: farewell" - J. Berryman, "A Professor's Song"
| 1comp.graphics |
After reading the debate over the Clipper, I have a few things to
add.
First, most of the people I know who activly use encryption
privately do not care about most of the issues that surround this debate,
and any questions about what is or is not ok to use in the US. All they
care about is wether or not what they are using is secure or not. That,
after all IS the bottom line.
Second, if I look at all the people I know who use any form
of encryption at all, and this group spans people from the morons who
still insist that the DES is a good and secure standard, to people
looking at trying to improve upon existing strategies, I can not think
of anyone of them who would approve blindly of a strategy that leaves
their methods open to abuse. The Clipper does this, because people make
mistakes by nature, and the US government is made up of people who are
just as vulnerable to mistakes as everyone else.
Third, since most of the people I know are at least marginaly
familiar with the vulnerabilities present in current software encryption
stratigies, I can't see how most of them are going to blindly trust that
someone will not figure out a good way to compromise the Clipper Chip.
That despite any strengths or weaknesses that may exist in it. So, I can
not see a high degree of confidence developing in the chip.
Fourth, when it comes to criminal abuse, sure there are many stupid
people out there. And yes, some will be open to being caught via the
built in back door of the Clipper Chip. However, anyone who is going to
do any serious investigation of how best to secure their data is going
to run into that problem pretty damned fast and, I would assume, start
looking around for other easily obtainible methods of encryption.
If nothing else were avalible, none of this would be an issue. However,
the truth is that most private encryption users that I've ever run into
simply do not give a damn about the legal status of RSA or PGP or anything
else. If it works, they use it. This is not going to change either. I do
not think for a moment that anyone with serious criminal intent will be
slowed down by the advent of the Clipper Chip. It is all to easy to
convert encrypted data into unintellgible garbage as it is, if anything,
the Clipper Chip just adds another tool to the user.
The bottom line here is that people will use what works, and
unavoidibly, I'm sure most criminals would rather face an encryption
related charge than one which could potentialy lead to death penalty
charges in the case of criminals who murder as part of their conspiricy.
The other thing that has struck me since the advent and wide
useage of public encryption has begun is that quite simply the cat is
out of the bag (Or if you have an interest in snooping, Pandora's Box
has been opened), and this is not going to change. I've seen a blindness
to this that I've found utterly stunning, and the Clipper Chip, along
with the way it has been presented only confirms this to me to a larger
degree.
Sincerly,
Tim Scanlon
--
tfs@gravity.gmu.edu
| 11sci.crypt |
Much of the dispute about the origin of the fire that destroyed the
BD compound could be settled by examining the propane tank supposedly
crushed by one of the army tanks when they breached the walls of the
compound. If the the propane tank is flattened and has tread marks on it,
then the BD's version of the cause of the fire would seem to be
verified.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
The U.S. Government has become a garrotte around the necks of its
citizens. Just as with a garrotte, the more people struggle to breathe
the air of freedom, the more the government tightens its stranglehold. The
only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the
elimination of personal freedom.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes:
>> Problem 1
>>
>> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
>> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary
>> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.
>> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,
>> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third
>> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were
>> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from
>> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the
>massacre.
>>
>
>Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760
>
I thought the implication was that the prince destroyed one fourth of the
remaining Persian troops on the second round, and then 1/11 of those remaining
on the third round. This would mean
Answer: a*(1 - 1/2)*(1 - 1/4)*(1 - 1/11) = 280 --> a = 821.333
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Meta-exegesis: Conviction of Sin, part II
Let me return to the question, stipulating that Paul meant his use of
_arseonkoitai_ to refer more or less exactly to the Levitical prohibition
of male-male sex. In order to bring out the problems most clearly, I'll
also stipulate (what I think is far less plausible) that Paul coined the
term for this usage. The question I want to turn to is what that would
mean for Paul's readers and for later Christians. This should be shorter
than my last note, as we will see that this question rapidly confronts us
with some of the major divisions within Christ's body, and I am not trying
to open the gates for flames across any of the terrible chasms that
separate any of us from our fellow Christians. My own biases (loosely
characterizable as "liberal") will be evident, but I am not grinding an
axe here, so much as trying to get all parties to see that it may be HARD
to reach "closure" when the issues involved strike at the heart of what we
each, in our own different ways, see as crucial to the Gospel of Christ.
So; stipulating Paul's intent, the immediate question is: HOW CAN HIS
READERS UNDERSTAND this intent? And following on that question, there is
a second one: WHAT IS OUR PROPER ACTION if we *do* manage to understand him?
Since Paul gives not a single clue about his meaning in the text of 1st
Corinthians, there are two "positive" answers and one "negative" to this
question:
+ a. Paul (or Apollos, or someone) in the apostolic community has
conveyed to the Corinthians the then-traditional Jewish condem-
nation of homosexual behavior, and Paul expects them to be
sufficiently well-tutored by this tradition that he needs no
futher explanation. [I should note that there is no evidence
in the letter, or in 2 Corinthians for such a supposition :-)]
+ b. The Spirit will teach us what Paul means (or, if not Paul,
what God means "behind" Paul's inspired word-choice.)
- c. We *don't* know, and cannot guess to within any better pre-
cision here than, for comparison, in the parallel use by Paul,
in the same passage of the word _pleonektai_ ("those who have
more" -- if you think that _areseonkoitai_ is "obvious" from
its roots, try cutting your teeth on *this* word! The NEB
translates it as "grabbers") or even _methusoi_ ("drunkards"
-- at least this has the advantage of being a common insult,
so that at least there is *some* hint as to its meaning!)
The three positions more or less -- if I can be allowed some exaggeration
for the sake of argument -- define a classical Catholic attitude towards
tradition, one form of Protestant _sola scriptura_, and a liberal/critical
demand for evidence. All three positions have strengths and weaknesses.
_ad_ a: It is unquestionable that the gospel was preached in and by the
community of Christ's disciples and their successors, and that
our NT scripture itself emerges from this communal tradition.
But it's also the case that we know little or nothing about this
tradition until almost a century after Paul, which is to say that
we have access to the tradition only after several generations of
possibly confused transmission. The scripture is itself our only
documentation of the tradition in the critical era.
_ad_ b: If we are NOT born of water and Spirit [to revert to John in an
attempt to explain Paul :-)], then we have no more hope of under-
standing the gospel than Nicodemus had; neither the traditions of
men nor the vain elevation of our own reason can prevent the Spirit
from blowing where it will -- the Paraclete is a kamikaze. But
the downside of Protestant belief in the efficacy of the Spirit
as our guide in scripture is that the wing of Protestantism that
takes this most seriously is also the most fragmented over divergent
understanding supposedly derived from the "clear" Word of God.
[Note: classical Lutheran, Calvinist and Anglican thought
constrains scripture to be read *within* tradition, even
while reserving judgment against tradition out of scripture;
the more bizarre forms of "I will read Scripture my way"
are primarily a fringe aspect of "cultic" Protestantism.]
The main problem with this approach is that there is apparently no
means for ONE person to convey to another what that one may feel
*is* teaching received from the Spirit; and history shows incredible
conflict between Christians on this point, each in his own mind
"convinced" that he is led by the Spirit. No one can seriously
urge point b without SOME sense of its potential for setting Christian
against Christian. To what purpose?
_ad_ c: The critical approach has the distinct advantage that when it can
reach a conclusion, it can lay out the data in a way which is open
to all. The weakness is an obvious corollary: this is not usually
possible. :-)
[If I may say a word here, out of my own already acknowledged bias;
one complaint against critical methodology is that it "dissolves"
faith -- but surely a "faith" that cannot honestly face the evalu-
ation of evidence has problems which mere theology is helpless to
address.]
Anyway, there is a serious and unfortunate possibility of schism between
"liberal" and "conservative" positions, mostly on the basis of extreme
zealots of positions b and c. A Catholic sense of authority and tradition
tends to constrain arguments of b contra c to secondary position, so that
despite horrendous strains Rome is NOT as likely to find these issues as
ultimately divisive as the Protestant world will. And Anglicans will (I
predict) muddle through on the _via media_, attempting to give each position
its due, but no more than its due.
Second question. Suppose tradition tells us, and lots of "spiritual"
Christians tell us, and critical thought at least admits as possible,
that Paul is refering to a flat, universal Levitical prohibition against
male-male sex. What then? Again, we can abdicate our personal responsi-
bility to tradition, and let it dictate the answer. But it's precisely
where inherited traditions are NOT questioned that they're most dangerous.
We have EXAMPLES of Christ questioning the Pharisees and THEIR use of
tradition (despite his urging, in Matthew 23:2 that we are to heed them).
We have EXAMPLES of Peter, and more radically still Paul, jettisoning the
traditions that THEY were led by the Spirit to call into question. Jesus
and Peter and Paul do not so much "throw out" tradition as subject it to
radical criticism, on a couple of very basic grounds:
"the weightier demands of the law: justice and mercy and good faith"
(Matthew 23:23)
and "On these two commandments [love God & neighbor] hand the whole Law,
and the Prophets, also."
(Matthew 22:40)
If there is a fundamental (because derived from Christ) validity in the
challenge to *some* traditions, a validity that led the first generation
to go so far as to waive application of the Torah to gentile converts
(vastly beyond anything that is directly deducible from Jesus' reported
words and deeds), it signifies to me a certain failure of the imagination
to *postulate* that *only* the traditions that we have specific challenges
against are in fact open to challenge.
All traditions passed *through* men are traditions *of* men. That God may
lead us even so, that these traditions are a source of our spiritual
instruction I will freely grant. But tradition is inherently human, and
inherently corruptible (and given the Fall, corrupt). Nothing in it is
immune to challenge, when the Spirit shows us a failure in justice, mercy
and good faith. Nothing may ultimately stand unless it DOES follow from
love of God and love of neighbor.
I am perfectly willing to grant that I could be blind to my own sin. That
the Spirit may have taught another what She refuses to teach me (or I am
too dense to learn). That tradition *might* have value here. But what I
*know* of tradition is that on one occasion, some superstitious Christians
appealed to Justinian after an earthquake in Asia Minor, and scapegoated
"sodomites" as the "cause" of the earthquake, so that legislation was
passed making homosexual behavior a capital offense. If that is in
accord with the gospel of Christ, then I am no Christian. That is human
tradition at its most hateful and vicious. And I see nothing all that much
different in all the unbidden eruptions onto USENET of people who are quick
to condemn but slow to understand. If that is the leading of the Spirit,
then I want no part of it. But what I have found in obedience to the Lord
is that I am, myself, TOTALLY dependent on the witness of other Christians,
for the truth that lives in the Body of Christ.
And I say to all who doubt that gay Christianity is from God what Gamaliel
said to doubting Pharisees who would have suppressed the earliest Church:
"be careful how you deal with these people... If this enterprise,
this movement of theirs, is of human origin it will break up of
its own accord; but if it does in fact come from God you will not
only be unable to destroy them, but you might find yourselves
fighting against God."
[Acts 5:36...39]
All I ask is that you listen to your traditions, and read your scriptures
with a mind and soul OPEN to the Spirit, and to the past history of our
first Christian witnesses' willingness to challenge tradition and OTHER
readings of scripture -- though read with all the authority of scribes and
rabbis -- and a submission to the declaration that all must depend on the
love of God and neighbor. Then, study the evidence; learn the history of
Christians oppressing Christians out of their traditions and eagerness to
judge where Jesus and Paul tell us NOT to judge. And let the witness of
the Spirit in the lives of your fellow Christians -- including those who
are NOT of your preference in theology -- guide you towards God's truth.
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
[There's a certain ambiguity in your discussion of position (a), as to
whether you're speaking of tradition in Paul's time or ours. I think
there are two ways to use tradition. One is to say that when Paul and
his readers share a tradition, it makes sense to interpret his words
in the context of that shared tradition. That's what makes me think
that these arguments over words turn out to be silly. We know that
Paul came out of a background that was rather Puritanical on sex.
Everything else he says on sex is consistent with that background.
The tone of his remarks on homosexuality in Rom 1 is consistent with
that background. Even if the words in the sin lists aren't the most
general terms for homosexual activity (and it seems to me that there's
some evidence that they are not), they are just one more piece of
evidence for something we would probably be willing to believe with no
evidence at all -- that Paul shares the common Jewish rejection of
homosexuality.
But when you identify (a) with the Catholic position, that's rather a
horse of a different color. The Catholic position involves a
continuing church tradition. Arguments specific to that tradition
might be (1) we can get guidance on how to interpret Paul's original
meaning from tradition, e.g. the way the Church Fathers interpreted
him, and (2) we gain confidence that his prohibitions still apply in
our time because of the universal judgement of the church between his
time and ours. I think this is a somewhat different use of tradition.
A radical Protestant might be willing to use known 1st Cent.
tradition to illuminate Paul's original meaning, but not use the
Catholic position to answer the question of what our own attitude to
homosexuality should be.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Since the demise of the Outbound company, what options would exist for me
if I were to buy one of their laptops?
(1) Since the Outbounds (2030, 2030E, etc) use mac plus roms, won't that
severly limit using future applications?
(2) What is a reasonable price for one of their laptops? The prices I've
seen seem extremely high considering the limited choices now.
(3) How reliable have they proven?
Any answers would be helpful.
--
gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)
------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <edd392h.733700028@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au> edd392h@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au (YWI. Li) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out
>
>there??? (Like PaintshopPro for picture formats conversion)
>
>Please send me a copy of your reply!!!
>
>thanks a lot
>
>Bel
>
Hi...
THe best sound conversion program I've ever seen is SoundTool, which
is shareware from Germany. I found a copy somewhere in wuarchive.wustl.edu
a long time ago, but I don't know offhand what directory it was under. It's
GREAT at converting files of all types, including Mac, NExT, Sun, and
various PC formats... It's also a great player and editor, with various
special effects that put Windows' Sound Recorder to shame. It requires a
driver for various sound cards... The only builtin one is for the pc speaker
(and even that sounds pretty good), but if you're just using it to convert
things, you can convert them in SoundTool and then play them in Sound
Recorder.
Give it a try!
Bret
--
* "Why, that's the second | mogul@soda.berkeley.edu *
* biggest monkey head I've | mogul@ocf.berkeley.edu *
* ever seen!" -Guybrush | mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu *
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams) writes:
>I am, at long last, going to replace my beloved 512ke.
>I am looking at a new LC III and a used IIci. Prices
>have yet to be worked out, so I'm just thinking right now
>about their merits and drawbacks.
>Here's what I've thought of:
>The IIci has much greater potential for expansion, a la NuBus and
>greater memory capacity.
>The LC III would be new, under warranty, newer ROMs (is the IIci
>"32-bit clean"?), and would have sound input. I also like the
>"pizza-box" case.
>Performance-wise, I have read that they are almost identical, the
>LC III being a little slower.
>So, which should I get?
>Erik
>erik@cheshire.oxy.edu
>1
Yes, the IIci has 32-bit clean ROMs.
Either model would be a good choice. Another option: get a "new" IIci
from a dealer that hasn't sold out yet. Also, don't forget the Performa
405 which, I believe, is the same as an LC-III but may be packaged with
more goodies for a better price.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
>>Of course, if at some later time we think that the death penalty
>>*is* cruel or unusual, it will be outlawed. But at the present,
>>most people don't seem to think this way.
>*This* from the same fellow who speaks of an "objective" or "natural"
>morality. I suppose that if the majority decides slavery is OK, then
>it is no longer immoral?
I did not claim that our system was objective.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qvrnpINNnid@shelley.u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes:
>Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help!
>Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can
>get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence
>history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel
>of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset
>to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before
>replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference
>comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The
>dealer never told me anything about that important story.
>
>I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this
>is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments
>will be appreciated. Thanks.
Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a
Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out
that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because
lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found
quilty, fined and had to take back the car.
I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous
owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something.
- gerrit
| 7rec.autos |
I know that there is a list of the best shareware and public domain
programs for Windows at the cica ftp site, but unfortunately it is a
year old. The list author made it sound like the list was going to be
updated every month. Is it still being updated? Does anyone else
compile a similar list?
Also are there any individual suggestions as to what the best
shareware/public domain programs are? I'm interested in good software
in just about every category (please try and include the ftp site and
exact file name, if possible, in your post).
Thanks,
Sam
--
siockman@leland.stanford.edu
"It will be good."
- David Broza
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C5w7or.DEx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
>
>>i am in the process of buying a new auto. i haven't decided yet whether
>>i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new
>>auto purchase.
>
>>i know that the "blue book" value for the car is $2825. an acquaintence
>>has offered to give me blue book value for the car. i am just wondering
>>if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i
>>can hope to get more money from someone else. what exactly is blue book
>>value based on? i know that for its year (88) my car has low mileage
>>(< 50,000). it is in excellent working condition but does have a few
>>dings on the exterior (nothing major). do any of these facts alter the
>>fair selling p[rice of the car? i am not looking to rip anyone off, i
>>just naturally want to get the best price for the car.
>
>>thanks a million,
>>veek
>
> I think the Blue Book is the NADA handbook for used car prices, no?
> Is the Blue Book value given the retail or wholesale value??? The
> Blue Book value isn't set in stone, though. Low milage, extra addons
> and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car, you
> may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends
> Blue Book and read up on that sort of stuff. I paid ~$400 under BB
> (retail) for my '87 Civic in 1990, and it was in perfect condition and
> had only ~14.5K miles on it. The guy was desparate to sell, new kid on
> the way, etc., but it was a good price. Remeber, both you and the
> buyer, if he has any sort of brains at all, are using the Blue Book, so
> you should pick a fair price.
>
>
> Chintan Amin
> llama@uiuc.edu
>
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
A mileage chart should be available in the book. It usually goes by
the class of car you own and year. Usually you will end up adding a few
hundred dollars to the retail price or subtracting it... Consumer
Reports also has a number you can call and get a quote for your area.
A friend of mine used it, and was quite happy with the service. I
believe it cost about $10.00.
-- Joe
| 7rec.autos |
In <1993Apr22.235454.18199@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes:
>AT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running
>windows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn't pay much
>attention to it, but it was there.
It seems that a particular program designed for blind people is more important
than trying to interface windows with a way for blind people to use it.
If someone made a voice recognition/multimedia (sound) oriented program,
it would probably been more effective. I don't know what the original
purpose of interfacing windows was for the person who posted the question
though.
--
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rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr18.222115.6525@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
> In <lrw509f@rpi.edu> wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes:
>
>>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points
>>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put
>>win as first in a tie breaker......
>
> Well I don't see any smileys here. I am trying to figure out if the poster
> is a dog or a wordprocessor. Couldn't be neither. Both are smarter than
> this.
>
> "I might not be great in Math"
>
>
> --
>
> cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
> "So many morons...
> rm ...and so little time."
Roger? Lecture someone on not using smileys? What sweet hipocracy...
KOZ
LETS GO CAPS!!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C51qr5.Duu@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>>I suggest you
>>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying
>>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his
>>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.
>
>Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a
>gun?
If we had backed him strongly early on I doubt there would be the
problem there is now. Many Russians became disillusioned with democracy
and reforms when they felt, rightly IMO, that the West didn't care.
Yeltsin was virtually promised massive aid (once Bush got over his
Gorby-mania.) This probably kept him from dismantling the congress
and calling for new elections. Well, the aid didn't come through
and we didn't make sure it went to the proper places and now the
anti-reformers are gaining strength where before they were in
hiding.
>
>Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does
>happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to
>help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same
>reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably
>consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help
>them.
If they don't reform I don't believe in giving them money. However,
I think this is too important to take a non-interventionist approach.
This is what really bugs me about Libertarianism -- it sounds like
'it'll all be the same in a hundred years time. no need to do
anything.'
>
>
>>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if
>>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.
>>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is
>>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the
>>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other
>>democracies (or struggling democracies).)
>
>If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it
>be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to
>charity.
Despite the wishes of Libertarians, this society is a far way, and getting
farther, from being Libertarian. Perhaps voluntary gifts would work if
we had the proper framework but we do not have it. We have to face the
problem *now*, not in X years when we have a Libertarian dream society.
Right now there are huge stumbling blocks to trade, let alone charity.
There are still limitations to high-tech exports. NASA can't buy
Proton launch vehicles from them. Sure, the market may be able to
help a great deal but it can't right now. There are too many obstacles.
Instead of fighting against the aid you should be fighting to
tear down the obstacles the market and charities have to face.
>
>>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.
>>My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.
>>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies
>>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a
>>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we
>>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.
>
>It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,
>expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor,
>and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government
>is more key than how democratic it is.
Well, I think limited government is primarily democratic due
to it being limited. But the main question is how do you transform
a state-run economy and monolithic government into something that
even remotely looks like ours? (BTW, sometimes it seems that our government
is trying to go the opposite direction) It is not going to be
painless and not going to be easy. We simply cannot wait to
help when they *have* the 'proper' government. They'll never
get there without the aid. It may be too late already.
>
>>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who
>>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of
>>thing I thought Libertarians were against.
>
>That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.
And I'm just excercising mine.
>
>>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue
>>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems
>>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and
>>let it sink or swim.
>
>If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should
>be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would
>your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose
>weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you
>and your group for causes you don't support?
As I also said above, another problem I have is with *transformation*.
A Libertarian society is not going to happen painlessly or overnight.
I have seen nothing about how to take our current government and
society and turn it into a minimal government and a responsible
self-sufficient populace.
>
>>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.
>
>People have been saying that for hundreds of years.
They didn't have nuclear weapons 100 years ago. Nor instantaneous
communications nor travel to virtually anyplace on the earth in
less than a day.
>
>>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and
>>global decision making.
>
>All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more
>efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions
>on complex issues.
Yes, depend on the rulers of the free market and the businesses. Rulers
do emerge *somewhere* and they will never represent the opinions of
every person on the planet.
There must be checks and balances. Checks on the government when
it gets out of bounds and checks on industry when it gets out of
bounds. Putting all your hopes on the benevolence of the market
is, to me, just like putting all your hopes on the benevolence of
government.
>
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
| 18talk.politics.misc |
FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS *=if necesary
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2
Gm 4: Providence 9 SPRINGFIELD 0
Gm 5: Springfield 4 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 6: SPRINGFIELD 4 Providence 3
(SPRINGFIELD WINS SERIES, 4-2)
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2
Gm 2: ADIRONDACK 5 CDI 3
Gm 3: Adirondack 3 CDI 0
Gm 4: Adirondack 3 CDI 1
(ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0)
Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3
Gm 2: BINGHAMTON 6 Baltimore 2
Gm 3: Binghamton 8 BALTIMORE 3
Gm 4: BALTIMORE 3 Binghamton 1
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore
Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: Utica 3 ROCHESTER 2 (OT)
Gm 2: ROCHESTER 9 Utica 3
Gm 3: Rochester 6 UTICA 4
Gm 4: Rochester 4 UTICA 3 (OT)
Gm 5: ROCHESTER 3 Utica 2
(ROCHESTER WINS SERIES, 4-1)
Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St JOHN'S 4 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 2: ST JOHN'S 3 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 3: St John's 6 MONCTON 5
Gm 4: MONCTON 5 St John's 4 (OT)
Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton *
Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax *
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: FREDERICTON 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr22.030133.23553@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> craw@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Sebastian Filzek) writes:
>Hi people..
>
>OK heres my problem....
>I keep hearing about these little credit card type of things which
>detect IR light....
>
>I think that they are avaliable in the states and even in England, but
>alas I live in Australia. Could someone please inform me if I can get
>these things over here, and if so where??? and how much???
>
Sure,
Edmund Scientific Company
101 E. Glouchester Pike
Barrington, NJ, 08007-1380
(609) 573-6250
The card is on page 15 of the last catalog I got. The cost ranges
from $19.00US to $80.00US, depending on size and range of wavelengths
the card responds to.
John
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1qk2rjINN503@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:
>There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind
>me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor
>I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due
>to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front
>from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing
>from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating
>against it.
>
>Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to
>"stealth" this guy? Your experiences welcome.....
>
>--
>"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."
> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.
When I owned an SE, I replaced the fan with SE Silencer, available, I
believe, from MacWarehouse or MacConnection. It comes with instruction for
installation and requires no soldering. Worked like a charm. I think the
manufacturer is Mobius.
__Dave
--
dlc@umcc.ais.org 313.485.3394
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr14.152328.15997@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>There may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary. But take
>them away entirely?
Yeah, you're right. Doing away with speed limits would just
mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the
revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists.
| 7rec.autos |
Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote:
: In article <C4u3x5.Fw7@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve
: Manes) writes:
: [...]
: > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO
: > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun
: > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More
: > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15)
: > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National
: > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs
: > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).
: >
: You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them
: to be superior,
I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any
posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information.
It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while
others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that
you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize.
: then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying
Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've "twisted
numbers." On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have
any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar
gratuitous shots at?
: to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population
: differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might
: attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for "emphasis, not
: comparison"? Emphasis of what?
Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim.
: Anything else is blowing smoke.
You seddit, brudda.
--
Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
| 16talk.politics.guns |
[reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)]
>>I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means
>>when put next to the word morality. I assume its an idiom and cannot
>>be defined by its separate terms.
>>Give it a try.
>Objective morality is morality built from objective values.
From A Dictionary of Philosophy, by Anthony Flew:
"Objectivism: The belief that there are certain moral truths that would
remain true whatever anyone or everyone thought or desired. For
instance, 'No one should ever deliberately inflict pain on another
simply to take pleasure in his suffering' might be thought of as a
plausible example. Even in a world of sadists who all rejected it, the
contention remains true, just as '5 + 7 = 12' remains correct even if
there is no one left to count. The problem for the objectivist is to
determine the status of moral truths and the method by which they can be
established. If we accept that such judgements are not reports of what
is but only relate to what ought to be (see naturalistic fallacy) then
they cannot be proved by any facts about the nature of the world. Nor
can they be analytic, since this would involve lack of action-guiding
content; 'One ought always to do the right thing' is plainly true in
virtue of the vords involved but it is unhelpful as a practical guide to
action (see analytic and synthetic). At this point the objectivist may
talk of 'self-evident truths', but can he deny the subjectivist's claim
that self-evidence is in the mind of the beholder? If not, what is left
of the claim that some moral judgements are true? THe subjectivist may
well feel that all that remains is that there are some moral judgements
with which he would wish to associate himself. To hold a moral opinion
is, he suggests, not to know something to be true but to have
preferences regarding human activity."
David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <enea1-270493135255@enea.apple.com>
enea1@applelink.apple.com (Horace Enea) writes:
>Can anyone out there tell me the difference between a "persistent" disease
>and a "chronic" one? For example, persistent hepatitis vs chronic
>hepatitis.
I don't think there is a general distinction. Rather, there are
two classes of chronic hepatitis: chronic active hepatitis and chronic
persistent hepatitis. I can't think of any other disease where the
term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic.
Much as these two terms "chronic active" and "chronic persistent"
sound fuzzy, the actual distinction between the two conditions
is often fairly fuzzy as well.
--
David Rind
rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
| 13sci.med |
In article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the
>Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type
>being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit
>shoot-to-kill directives.
And done in SECRET ... :-)
Did anybody notice it is the TREASURY DEPT (The FBI and BATF, in other words)
that Clinton wants to do the investigation? In other words, investigating
themselves?
He sure didn't seem very enthusiastic about Congress doing the investigation,
I notice: "... well, they can do what they want..." (Probably insert
a pout here...)
Does anybody smell the attempt for a WHITEWASH? Betcha the Justice
Dept investigation will, AT MOST say "Possible Poor Judjement. Too bad..."
Grrr.
>--
>Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
>
>I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes
>to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the
>federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <stephen.735806195@mont> stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) writes:
>When I was a school boy, my biology teacher told us of an incident
>in which a couple were very passionate without actually having
>sexual intercourse. Somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm
>cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation.
>
>Was my biology teacher misinforming us, or do such incidents actually
>occur?
Ohboy. Here we go again. And one wonders why the American
education system is in such abysmal shape?
| 13sci.med |
I heard that Eli is selling the team to a group in Cinninati. This would
help so that the O's could make some real free agent signings in the
offseason. Training Camp reports that everything is pretty positive right
now. The backup catcher postion will be a showdown between Tackett and Parent
although I would prefer Parent. #1 Draft Pick Jeff Hammonds may be coming
up faster in the O's hierarchy of the minors faster than expected. Mike
Flanagan is trying for another comeback. Big Ben is being defended by
coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot, most came
in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half. This
may be Ben's year.
I feel that while this may not be Mussina's Cy Young year, he will
be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year
around August. I really hope Baines can provide the RF support the O's need.
Orsulak was decent but I had hoped that Chito Martinez could learn defense
better and play like he did in '91. The O's right now don't have many
left-handed hitters. Anderson proving last year was no fluke and Cal's return
to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant. The
rotation should be Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, ?????. Olson is an
interesting case. Will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get
three pop outs? You never know.
The way I see the AL East this year (with personal biases mixed in)
Baltimore
New York
Toronto
Milwaukee
Cleveland
Boston
Detroit
(The top 4 are the only true contenders in my mind. One of these 4 will
definitely win the division unless it snows in Hell/Maryland :). I feel
that this Baltimore's season to finally put everything together.)
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>My car was recently destroyed in a hail storm. [...]
>I fully expected to get jerked around by the insurance company.
>I wasn't the only one who had hail damage. State Farm
>opened its claim centers on evenings and weekends, and flew down
>additional adjusters from Dallas.
i have no experience with State Farm, but i think it's important to
differentiate your experience from a typical "accident."
hail damage is clearly not the fault of the owner, and also tends to
be well publicized in the media, so it's to the ins. co.'s benefit
to respond promptly and helpfully. damage like this doesn't imply
anything about the likelihood of future claims (unless you live in an
area that gets frequent damaging hail storms), so there's no reason
for them to stop covering you.
that's a lot different from at-fault accidents or theft-related claims,
which may be more indicative of claim patterns.
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr16.104950.22113@walter.cray.com>
huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes:
>
>Kenneth Ng (ken@sugra.uucp) wrote:
>: In article <1993Apr12.114727.7059@walter.cray.com: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes:
>: :Peter Clark (pclark@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu) wrote:
>: :: Interesting. You seem to be the only person I have ever heard of who
>: :: has had a problem with MAG like that. I have a MAG MX15F myself, no
>: :: problems. I liked it so much I showed it to a bunch of my friends: 6 of
>: :: them went out and bought them, no problems. All Gateway 2000 Crystal
>: :: Scan monitors are MAG Innovisions. I've not heard many Gateway people
>: :: griping about their monitors. Seems like you got the bad apple.
>
>I wrote:
>: :You haven't heard Gateway customers griping about their monitors?
>: :Where have you been? I have never seen as many complaints on the
>: :net about anything else above the famous GW CS monitor flamefest.
>
>: The bulk of the GW CS monitor complaints (to which I can add my complaint)
>: is for the older monitor that really comes from Tatung. After getting mine
>: repaired by Tatung a year ago, it is starting to flake out again. I'll be
>: looking into NEC3DS and MAG 15F for my next monitors.
>
>Does anyone know when they stopped using those Tatung monitors? I
>bought my system in Feb. '91 and it definitely had the Mag monitor.
>That one, and it's replacement failed within 16 months. I gave up
>and went to a CompuAdd store and bought a 15" monitor there. I have
>no idea who makes those. No problems in about a year so far. (Knock
>of Wood!)
>
>So, does anyone know who makes the CompuAdd 15" flat screen monitor?
>--
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>Tom Huot
>huot@cray.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| 1comp.graphics |
I am writing an article on Clipper for Network World. I am looking for
comments and opinions (that I can quote) on the scheme, its implications
for security and privacy, its acceptance here and overseas, etc.
I hope this to be a balenced article, with opinions from various quarters.
The only catch is that your name and company affiliation will appear in
print.
I am on very tight deadline (I need to finish this Wednesday night). Please
call or E-Mail responses.
Thanks,
Bruce
(708) 524-9461
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my
thing) writes:
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw
> the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/
> early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In
addition,
> the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is
> all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years
> of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you
> have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.
Bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather
odd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around,
but Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a
performance Ford with new styling slapped on top.
> ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----
Rush fan?
--
Robert Seymour rseymour@reed.edu
Physics and Philosophy, Reed College (NeXTmail accepted)
Artificial Life Project Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain) Portland, OR
| 7rec.autos |
arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1qun1aINNik5@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes:
>>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yigal et al, sue ADL
>>>
>>
>>Why do you title this "News you will miss" ?
>>
>>There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times.
>>
>>I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up.
>This may come as a surprise to you but there are a few americans who do not
>read the LA Times.
Is this the same Monolithic, Centrally Controlled Media that you're always
talking about? Do you mean to tell me that the LA Times is the ONLY major
paper to buck the Media Spiking Division's activities?
>The Defamation League has done a first class job of damage control..in what
>little is left of the world outside of LA.
Assumption: When one major newspaper prints three or more articles on the front
page regarding subject matter that is not strictly local, this is likely
to be considered an open story, and not a coverup.
Let's hear a roll call here. Anyone outside of the LA area seen articles on
this?
>js
___Samuel___
Mossad Special Agent ID314159
Media Spiking & Mind Control Division
Los Angeles Offices (therefore, evidently, incompetent)
--
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summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,
where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
>packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>
>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?
>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before
>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are
>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?
>
>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least
>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the
>>"Chinese restaurant syndrome" because Chinese cuisine has
>>always used it.
>
My blood pressure soars, my heart pounds, and I can't get to sleep
for the life of me... feels about like I just drank 8 cups of coffee.
I avoid it, and beet sugar, flavor enhancers, beet powder, and
whatever other names it may go under. Basicaly I read the ingredients, and
if I don't know what they all are, I don't buy the product.
MSG sensitivity is definately *real*.
-----------------------Relativity Schmelativity-----------------------------
Richard H. Clark My opinions are my own, and
LUNATIK - watch for me on the road... ought to be yours, but under
It's not my fault... I voted PEROT! no circumstances are they
richard@tis.com those of my company...
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| 13sci.med |
In response to: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten):
I wrote:
>>There evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with Mithras. I
>>have often wondered if Yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to
>>expand the appeal of his religion, or if it was appropriated by later
>>worshipers.
And you responded:
>You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable
>argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was
>very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very
>Jewish ritual.
Of course. The feast WAS the Seder, and the accounts of it are very clear
on this point.
The difference is the connection between the bread and wine and the body
and blood of god. This is an old association of the Tammuz/Osiris/Mithras
line, and not really related to Judaism. In any case, I didn't really
intend to argue the point. I saw a possible association and pointed it
out, but I haven't the foggiest notion what really happened.
--
-- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273
Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232
| 19talk.religion.misc |
--
In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu
(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|>>
|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
|>>
|>> Does this count?
|>
|>Yes. He thought about it.
|>>
|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
|>> return...)
Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even
tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me!
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr28.133101.25145@rpslmc.edu> rek@siss81 (Robert Kaye) writes:
>
>Just a few contributions from the space program to "regular" society:
>
>1. Calculators
>2. Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan)
>3. Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988)
I don't think touting contributions is a good idea. World War II produced
many many beneficial spinoffs. Eg. Radar, jet aeroplanes, rocket technology.
I don't think anyone would argue that World War II was, in and of itself,
a good thing.
If you want people to back the space program it must be a good thing in
and of itself.
--
Paul
| 14sci.space |
|> >One more thought. The government claimed that they believed he had automatic
|> >weapons on the premises.
|>
|> > HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN!
|>
|> >THEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY!
|>
|> >Still, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him.
|> >For all of this my President takes full responsibility. What a guy!
|> >I hope he gets it.
|>
|> The .50cal gun was a semi-auto, and was thus legal. The BATF
|> claims that the Davidians also possessed illegally modified
|> AR-15's and illegal explosives.
|>
|>
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If you check the news today, (AP) the "authorities also found a state-of-the-art
automatic machine gun that investigators did not know was in the cult's arsenal."
[Carl Stern, Justice Department]
I imagine the authorities know the difference between semi and fully automatic
and probably knew weather the guns were legal as they have access to any relative
documentation (i.e. permits). In addition the .50 caliber guns (plural) were
semi-automatic rifles.
-Tim
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1rn458INNguj@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jcho@dante.nmsu.edu (CHO) writes:
>My father having worked for American Cyanamid for sometime did mention
>that the "recipe" is a secret... Neither of us know of just how toxic
>the stuff is...but you can synthesize a simliar substance that is
>available to just about any organic lab...called Luminol. You can usually
>find this in an organic lab book or something similiar...
These substances are normally not the secret, but how to get at them. The
method of preperation is normally patented, which means that no-one else can
make the chemical in the same way, without undergoing an agreement with
American Cyanamid. (But I guess you knew what a patent is :-) )
If you know what substance is used, you'll also know its toxicity.
>Rumor has it that luminol is some base form for the stuff used in the
>light sticks...
The Luminol reaction has the disadvantage of not lasting as long as the
commercial version.
Remember that cyano compounds are found in nature, and not all are poisonous.
Regards,
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| 11sci.crypt |
hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of
saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them) are there
bags for the gas tank? how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!! I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)
-----
jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu
(DoD #55,555)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform
>the feat of "definitely" terming actions right or wrong.
If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what
purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be
able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance
with the general goal.
>>>I don't think you've show the existence of *any* objective moral system.
>>They exist, but in practice, they are difficult to perfectly emulate.
>>I mean, you understand the concept of an objective system, right?
>I thought you were explaining it to us. I certainly don't
>understand what you are explaining.
In an objective system, there are known goals. Then, actions are judged
as either being compatible with these goals, or not. Simple. The problem
with most systems in current practice is that the goals differ. That is,
the goals of each society are different.
Note that an objective system is not necessarily an inherent one.
>>The concept of innocence is dependent on whether certain actions are
>>"right" or "wrong," and this depends on the moral system. But, if
>>we have an objective system, then someone can be deemed innocent or
>>not quite easily by an omniscient person. Anyway, I think I cleared
>>up the recursive definition of "murder," because no one is complaining
>>about it.
>I don't think it solves anything to speculate where we would be
>if we *did* have an objective moral system. The question is
>still whether you can even say what one is.
I've said it many, many times.
>And for what it's worth, I don't think you cleared up *anything*
>concerning murder.
Which part do you have a problem with?
>>>What do you mean by "harmed?" Is it harm if you have to spend
>>>your existence metabolising food for another species?
>>Oh, most moral systems would be considered only within a species. It
>>is okay for us to enslave other animals, right? But not humans...
>>Of course, ideally, perhaps we wouldn't even have to bother any other
>>animals...
>One the first point, it's wrong to enslave humans according to my
>persoanl moral system. On the second point, I'm a vegetarian.
But, we can enslave the animals, right? But just not kill them? Or
are you a vegetarian for health reasons?
>So, are you a vegetarian?
No. I fail to see how my *personal* views are relevant, anyway.
>Is it wrong to eat animals in your personal moral system?
Of course not. It seems perfectly valid to kill members of other species
for food. It might be nice, though, if the other animals were not made
to suffer. For instance, a cow in a field lives out its life just about
the same way it would in the wild. They seem happy enough. However,
the veal youngsters aren't treated very well.
>How about an "objective" moral system?
I don't know. What is the goal of this particular system? There is no
inherent system.
>How about a "natural" moral system.
Nope. Again, it seems okay to kill other species for food.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
Yes, Matt, dear Newbie, best advice is read here foe a few days.
This is your best source of info.
(Kinda makes me glad that I discovered r.m well after I got into riding--
could I have possibly sounded like *that* otherwise? --eesh.)
BTW Matt, despite the insults you are destined to face, great move
on taking the MSF course. It will save your butt.
Good Luck,
-Erc. DoD# 1138
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.
>
>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.
A couple of other tips.
1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away
from the sun.
2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned
product plug #2543):
roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes:
>OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a
>face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it
>better?
What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic
Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from
plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start
with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per
bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the
price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The
stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team?
Who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the Rangers?
(Hint: Nolan Ryan isn't either)
What two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams?
Who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or
more career bases for the same team?
No fair peeking at your baseball stats....
Phil Allen
texdude@cs1.bradley.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:
>
>In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>|>
>|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?
>|> ------------------------------------
>|>
>|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
>|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
>|> attempt to starve the Gazans.
>|>
>|> [...]
>|>
>|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and
>|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas
>|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all
>|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.
>|>
>|> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.
>|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.
>|>
>|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I
>|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.
>|>
>|> Harry.
>
>O.K., its my turn:
>
> DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!
>
>I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed
>to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their
>plan !
This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The
statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand
Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads
during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.
It was not coined by B'nai B'rith or, for that matter, any Jewish
organization.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr16.131041.8660@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
>In article <1qksa4INNi7m@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>> What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at
>> the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,
>> emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the
>> first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and
>> forgot to call all of your witnesses.
>
> They are two witnesses who didn't come forth until after the first
>trial. While it would be "tough luck" for GM if they new about these witnesses
>beforehand, IMO this constitutes "new evidence".
The test isn't whether GM knew--otherwise that would reward GM for its
stupidity. The test is whether GM reasonably should have known of their
existence. It works both ways--if GM had won the trial, and the plaintiff
turned up two witnesses who came forward after the first trial who should
have been located beforehand, too bad, so sad--no new trial.
Like Tim said, you don't get a new civil trial because you screwed up
the first time around. Unlike the criminal justice system, repose is
much more important in the civil justice system.
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <5713@seti.inria.fr>, deniaud@cartoon.inria.fr (Gilles Deniaud) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a program which is able to display 24 bits
> images. We are using a Sun Sparc equipped with Parallax
> graphics board running X11.
xli, xloadimage or ImageMagick - export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] /contrib
Graeme Gill
| 1comp.graphics |
>
>>Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into
>>two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for "C: drive" and "D:
>>drive" setup info rather than "drive 1" and "drive 2" like most others
>>I've seen. Could this be confusing things?
>
>>So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some
>>info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper
>>about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one
>>of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so
>>it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost!
>
>>Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have
>>two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help!
>>--
>>-----------------------
>>William Barnes SURAnet Operations
>>wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax
>>Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me.
>I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you
>perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system
>up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I
>have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back
>everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the
>scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also.
>
>Bill Willis
>
If you bought your IDE drive from a dealer, you shouldn 't have to
perform a low level format. Even if the 1st HD is already partitioned
into C and D, FDISK will automatically assign the 2 nd HD to D and
change the 2nd partition of 1st drive to E.
Check the jumper settings and CMOS setup, in particular the correct
number of cylinders and tracks
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I'm told that corn allergy is fairly common. My wife has it and it seems
to be exacerbated if sugar is eaten with the corn.
I suppose that in a person just on the verge of having epilepsy, an
allergic reaction might cause a seizure, but I don't really know.
Gordon?
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
>Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
>how people need to take personal responsibility for their
>economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
>(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
>lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
>people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
>
>There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
>and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
>Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
>the top of any sane person's list.
>
>You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
>revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
>"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
>idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
>education first--I mean, we took that for granted.
The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.
The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
brats.
Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.
Apollo 11 and Woodstock.
Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).
And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
> I propose that these two trends -- greater level of general
> depression in society (and other psychological problems) and
> greater sexual promiscuity -- are linked, with the latter being
> a prime cause of the former. I cannot provide any evidence beyond
> this at this stage, but the whole thesis seems very reasonable to
> me and I request that people ponder upon it.
I pondered it for all of ten seconds when I realised that since
we don't have any reliable statistics for sexual promiscuity,
and since the whole issue of "depression" isn't at all well
defined for earlier centuries, you are probably talking crap.
Of course, you could pull a Mozumder on us, and say that people
who are having sex outside marriage are *defined* to be depressed.
I can't say I'd ever noticed, myself.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
All you BD apologists seem to be conveniently forgetting
Jonestown. It would have looked much worse if the feds had just
waited till they all committed suicide. This was a no win situation,
although the final raid was a tragic failure - they should have
been able to get more people out alive.
-Mike
P.S. The title for this thread is ridiculous. Feds couldn't give a hoot
about their religous ideas - weapons was the problem. Similar situations
have popped up with those "I'm not gonna pay taxes" freaks in Idaho, etc.
where religion clearly has no bearing. Religous freedom here, as an issue,
is a complete smokescreen.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <May.9.05.40.51.1993.27526@athos.rutgers.edu> noye@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>christians can also feel that
>sense of "difference", however, when they are associated with "those
>weird televangelists who always talk about satan". if you'll excuse
>the cliched sound of this, everyone has to deal with his/ her
>differences from other people. i can understand how being an atheist
>could be hard for you; being a christian is sometimes hard for me.
This is not at all comparable. Christianity is the main stream in
western culture. You are trivializing the experiences of others.
I remember what it was like being "different" as a Christian. We
were told all the time that we were different, and in fact that
only members of the our church were really Christians (though others
who believed in God weren't as bad as atheists), so we were a small
minority. That was nothing compared to being an atheist.
The only thing comparable would be a young child being Christian
being surrounded by staunch atheists, including parents, who
actively persecute any religious tendancies - both actual punishments
and, even worse, emotional blackmail. They would also have
to have the whole mainstream society on their side. Maybe these
conditions could have occured in the old Soviet Union* not in a
country with "under God" in its pledge of allegiance.
* I doubt it even then, because children have to be taught to be
Christians and hence must have support somewhere.
>>I have sympathy for gays growing up in repressive environments and
>>having to hide and sometimes at first try to deny a part of themselves
>>because I've been there. Only in my case it was my rationality instead
>>of sexuality which I was forced to try to repress.
>
>in some way the pressures were different, of course, because you
>"chose" your beliefs -- or are you saying that they were not your
>choice, but born of necessity? [please, no flames about whether or
>not gay people "choose" their lifestyle -- that's elsewhere in this
>newsgroup]
Yes. My atheism was "born of necessity." For an intellectually honest
person belief is mostly a response to evidence. Will or wishes have
nothing to do with it. I could choose to lie, or to be silent about
my true beliefs. I could no more choose to believe in the God of
Christianity than I could decide that the ordinary sky looks red to
me. Still I should be clear that I'm not equating what I went through
with what gays go through. However it is a mistake to assume that
everyone who goes through painful experiences are broken by them.
Happily some are made stronger, once we get past it.
>> I must say that I
>>wasn't hurt by my experiences in church any more than some of my friends
>>who didn't become atheists. I was just hurt differently.
>
>i'm not sure i understand this sentence -- could you explain?
Not without going to details and violating the confidences of some of my
childhood friends. Suffice it say to that religion does not guarantee
that a person will be happy and strong emotionally, and a repressive
upbringing can leave its scars even, or especially, on those who don't
get free of it. I doubt that any sane and sincere person doubts that and
I feel no need to defend it.
By the way I am much happier and stronger being out of the closet. In
the end it has been, as someone eloquently put it in private email, an
experience of liberation rather than disillusion.
Bill Mayne
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Well, I've come into some money and want to buy CD-ROM, sound board
and speakers. I have not kept up on any material relating to sound
boards and CD-ROM's because until now I never thought I'd have enough
money.
So can you guru's out there point me in the direction of a good
package including CD-ROM, sound, and speakers (and software I
suppose)... OR since I don't REALLY need the CD-ROM right now give me
some good ideas for sound boards and speakers. Those I could REALLY
use now. I have looked at SoundBlaster Pro, which costs about as much
as I think I want to spend on a board (~$120), and I've looked at the
Gravis Sound board, which is about $140 and I don't know the
adv/disadv of either of these boards.
Right now I want to use it with any games that support sound, and to
use in Windows 3.1 to utilize sound capabilities there. So any
concise info on sound boards, complete multimedia packages, etc would
be greatly appreciated. If anyone else is interested in this info I
would be glad to summarize responses and post.
And if this is some type of FAQ please point me in the right
direction and don't bother taking up a lot of bandwidth. Thanks!
-=- Brett
--
Brett Watson, Database/System Administrator
Kansas Supreme Court - Topeka, KS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
From Kay Honda's "Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda" infromation sheet
(given to new owners of Honda vehicles).
"A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking
delivery."
--I now own a fire extinguisher;>--
"On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the
accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your
foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts. Moe than
5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required. In
temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be
depressed 2-3 times."
"Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled
by getting caught when closing doors."
"When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or
Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."
"In case of towing:
1- Start the engine
2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral
3- Turn off engine"
--what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?--
"IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"
--Phew, I was worried!--
Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL.
Jonathan
jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
Skidmore College, Saratoga NY
93 Civic Si + aftermarket fogs (if you own one, you understand!)
| 7rec.autos |
I know, you all were saying "Ha! The Braves score a few runs for
Maddux, that'll shut that guy up."
But no, I think we'll just keep track a bit longer...
Last outing: 5 runs.
Total to date: 8 runs, 4 games
Braves record in Maddux's starts: 2-2
See ya next time.
Dennis
Dennis Parslow That better be a Korean good
Troy, NY 12180 luck symbol! -Remo Williams
p00421@psilink.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
There are JPEG viewers that are windows based and therefore need no hardware
specific drivers beyond those provided in windows. I got mine from the Library
of Congress in connection with their online exhibit of books from the Vatican
library. See a previous message in this newgroup about that.
Gerald Edgar
gwe3409@atc.boeing.com
"The opinions expressed in this not may not represent those of his employer"
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hi folks!
>
>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
>one man's opinion.
>
>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
>
>
On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam. I kreme
it about a year ago and have had no problems at all. Be real careful as
the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.
-Jim
--
Jim Groh groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu | DoD #0356 | Hog# 0437643 |new improved
1959 XLH 900 ** 1982 FXR ** 1989 XLH 883 ** 1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Archive-name: rec-autos/part3
The Automotive Articles Archive Server:
the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,
and is presently not available.
--
richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:
> I think that's the correct spelling..
The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by
S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939.
As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges
and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver
halides in the films.
--
Tarl Neustaedter Stratus Computer
tarl@sw.stratus.com Marlboro, Mass.
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
| 13sci.med |
bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) writes:
>kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:
>>Anybody seen the date get stuck?
>>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine
>>is left running all the time.
>>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate
>>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves
>>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.
>I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so
>I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at
>others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should
>be.
Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a
clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock
hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The
Get Date call notices that a "midnight reset" flag has been set, and then
then advances the date.
Anybody with more info?
--
John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia
oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu
Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
TWINS UPDATE -- Posted April 22, 1993
---------------------------------------------
The Twins defeated the Milwaukee Brewers 5-4 today to conclude a three game
homestand with the Brew crew. The Twins took two of three games in the series,
with scores as follows:
Tuesday April 20th MN 10
Mil 0
Winning Pitcher Banks (2-0)
Wednesday April 21st Mil 10 (10)
MN 8
LP - Hartley ( 0-1 )
Thursday April 22nd MN 5
Mil 4
WP - Deshaies (4-0)
Sa - Aguilera
Highlight/Low Lights of the Series:
------------------------------------
Jim Deshaies continues to be the surprise of not only the Twins, but of
the American League as well. Going into today's game, Deshaies was 3-0
with a 1.74 ERA. Deshaies allowed 2 Earned runs in 6 2/3 innings, meaning
his ERA will climb slightly. Deshaies, who came to MN via a trade with
Philadelphia which sent David West there, continues to make Andy MacPhail
look like a true genius.
Willie Banks has put together two solid starts for the Twins, going 6.1 innings
on Monday while coasting on solid Twins hitting. Deshaies and Banks now
combine for 6 of the Twins eight victories, while Tapani/Mahomes/Erickson are
0-5.
Wednesday's game marked the first opposing left-handed starting pitcher for the
Twins this year (Rickey Bones). The Twins teed off against both him and
subsequent relief, including a Grand Slam by Kent Hrbek which pushed the lead
to 7-3. The Twins pitching staff could not hold the lead, though, allowing
4 walks in the 7th inning, 2 of which scored and coming with bases loaded.
Tapani gave up one walk before being relieved, Guthrie two walks, and Mike
Hartley one walk before the inning was over. This tied the game at 7-7, and
the Brew Crew rocked Mike Hartley for 3 runs in the top of the tenth to win
it.
Aguilera continues to be shaky against the Brew Crew. 6 of 20 career blown
saves have come against the Brew Crew, and today's game was shaky as well.
Coming into the ninth with a 5-2 lead, Aguilera gave up a solo HR to Vaughn,
then hits to Darryl Hamilton and Dickie Thon before finally retiring the
side. Once again, the tying run made it to second base on Aggie.
Weak hearted Twins fans are advised not to watch Aggie in the ninth.
General News
-------------------------------------
Pedro Munoz continues to improve as an outfielder, playing in left field on
Tuesday's game. He continues to bat weakly against right handed pitching,
though, which has limited his playing time. Gene Larkin and JT Bruett(former
Gopher) have been playing right field, as both can bat left handed.
The Twins begin a three game series with the Detroit Tigers tomorrow. Starting
Pitching is tentatively scheduled as Erickson, Mahomes, Banks. The Detroit
Tigers have had TWO 20 run games in the last ten days, and should provide
quite a challenge to the young MN pitching staff.
The Twins have 9 HR's this year, three each from Puckett, Hrbek, and Winfield,
the third, fourth, and fifth batters, respectively.
Brian Harper pegged 4 of the first 6 baserunners attempting to steal second
this year, and shows much improvement in this category.
Jim Deshaies has three pick-offs and one balk this year. Some say he
has the best 1st base move in baseball. This move has enabled him to pitch
out of some tight early jams, and has certainly contributed to his 4-0
start. Watch to see if umpiring crews began calling the balk more tightly
in response to opposing team complaints about his leg kicking behind the
rubber on the pick-off move.
Current MLB AL West Standings( from Joesph Hernandez, jtchern@ocb.berkeley.edu )
AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
California Angels 08 04 .667 -- 7-3 Won 2 05-02 03-02
Texas Rangers 08 05 .615 0.5 5-5 Lost 2 04-02 04-03
Minnesota Twins 07 06 .538 1.5 6-4 Lost 1 04-04 03-02
Chicago White Sox 06 07 .462 2.5 4-6 Won 1 02-03 04-04
Seattle Mariners 06 08 .429 3.0 4-6 Won 1 04-03 02-05
Oakland Athletics 05 07 .417 3.0 3-7 Lost 1 05-03 00-04
Kansas City Royals 05 09 .357 4.0 5-5 Won 3 03-05 02-04
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>
> > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the
> > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more
> > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you).
>
> Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's
> "qualifications" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany,
> show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that.
>
> > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII
> > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any
> > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is
> > not appreciated.
>
> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were
> tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against
> YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy
> sounding political term is yet another attempt to "cite qualifications"
> in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go
> back to the minors, junior.
All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many
others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are
so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks
for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of
ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since
I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could
write.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
*******
******* This is somewhat long, but pleas read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*******
Boy am i glad you decided to read this. I've got a problem that
I need as many people's help from as possible.
Before I go in to the details of this, let me go ahead and tell
you that (though it may sound it) this is not one of those boy
meets girl problem...at least not totally like that to me....Anyway...
OK, I am a 19 year old Sophmore at NCSU. About 10 years ago, my family
and I were vacationing at the coast in a cottage we rented. Across the
street, was ths girl who would whistle at me whenever she saw me...
her name in Erin. Well, we became friends that week at the beach and have
been writing each other for about 10 years....there was a period of about
2 years we lost contact..but that was a while ago.
By the way...Erin lives in Kansas and me in NC.
OK, last year in one of her letters, she says that she is coming
back to NC to see some of her family who are gonna be there. So I
drove about 4 hours to see her. This is where it begins....I spent
the whole day with Erin....one of the best days of my life. Even though
we had been writing each other, we still had to get used to being
in person....she has got to be the most incredible woman I ever met.
(She's one year older than me BTW). I mean, no person in the world could
ask for a better person. Not only was she incredibly beautiful (not to
mention WAY out of my league...although I'm not unattractive mind you), but
she had a great personality and a great sence of humor. Her family
is one of those families who goes to church but that is about the
extent of their Christianity...you know the kind of people. But she
knows I am a Christian.
Well, you get the idea of what I think of her. If there is ever such
a thing as love at first sight....I found it. That was last year...I kid
you not when I say that I have thought about her EVERY day since then.
In out letters, Erin and I always kid each other about not finding
dates..(which is true for me, but I know it can't be for her).
She has had some problems at home, her folks split up and she ended
up leaving school....Now we are at the present...
Let me give you part of the letter I got from her last week....
"Okay, now I'm going to try to explain my life to you. I'm not
going to KU anymore because something just isn't right. College
just wasn't clicking with me here. Greek life is really big here and
that just isn't my way. I wasn't taking any classes that truly interested
me & i really have no idea of what i want to do with my life. I was
interested in something medical (Physical Therpy) & I love working with
kids, but 'it' just didn't work for me at this university. And my parents
could tell.
"So I'm working full time at the Bass Store [Bass shoes that is] and now
I have a part-time job at a local daycare. I work in the infant room
M-W-F. I've really enjoyed it so far. It spices up my week a little bit and
it's great experience.
"As of now, I'm not planning on going back to school in the very
near future. The main reason being my indecision on what I want to
study. But I definatley plan on going back within the next couple of
years. Where? I have no idea--except for one thing, it won't be
to Kansas.
"Right noew I'm discussing a promotion with my boss and district
manager. It looks like I'll train at the store I work at now for
about 4-6 months as Assistant Manager and when that's done, I'll
basically be given a list of stores (newly or soon to be built) to
chose where i would like to manage. I've pretty much decided on either
one of the Carolinas (hopeully close to the beach) Wouldn't it
be fun to actually see each other more than once every few years??
What do you think abou that? I would like to know your opinion.
"This job would pretty much be temporary. But it is VERY GOOD pay
and any thye of management experience would look good on an application
or resume. The company is solid and treats it employees very well. Good
benefits, bonuses & medical plans. Plus- after 1 year of full-time
service, they will reimburse tuition. I do have school money waitng
for me, but this will help, especially since I will probably end up
paying out of state tuition wherever I go.
"Chris, i really would like to know what you think of my decision. I
respect your opinion. I've been completely lost for what to do for
soooo long that when the opportunity came along it sounded really
good. I do like my job although I'm about 99.9% sure that i want
to do more with my life than reatil management..but it IS something.
I don't think earning about $20,000 a year for a 20 year old female
is too bad.
"Anyway, onto your career decisions. I'll solve your problem right now,
MARRY ME...
"You can do your pilot thing-- I like to be by myself sometimes! Seriously
(or not as seriously)- do what will make you the happiest, worry about the
home life later."
***********
OK, well I'm sure you see what has got me so uptight. What do you
think she meant about the marraige thing??
I dream at night about marrying her, and then she mentions it in her
letter!!! I don't know what to think??
Since she wants to move to the Carolina's should i search out a
Bass store near here and aske her to come to Carolina???
I always pick on those people who graduate from high school and
get married....but what does she mean???
I've had a lot of stress lately with exams and also the fact that
I don't date beacause 1) No time 2) Not that much $$ 3) that
most college women are wrapped up in the social scene with the
Greeks whic as a Christian I can't support-----and here
she says she doesn't like the Greek thing either!!
Maybe I'm so stunned because there is actually a girl that I am
so attracted to paying some real attention to me.
I mean, what if she did move to NC...what would I do??? I'm
only 19 and she 20....I'm only a Sophmore struggling through
classes..
I have prayed about this over the past year from time to time..
saying, "God if she is the right one, let the situation open up.."
Could this be my sign???
I would do ANYTHING to get her to NC...here is some moree that makes
it worse..
Should I call her?? I'm terrible over the phone. I don't even like
to talk to my friends here for longer than 3 minutes.
I mean, what would a girl as perfect as her want with a very
average guy like me??
I'm really confused....I would really appreciate any help i can get.
Thanx
Chris
[I have a feeling that it might be more appropriate to talk with
Chris directly via email. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Heard minutes ago on KOA radio, Denver.
Nolan Ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee, and
to miss 2 - 5 weeks.
Rockies (Nied) lead Mets (Gooden) 4 - 0 in 7th.
All runs in first inning.
Gregg \\ baseball@ncar.ucar.edu //
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Mar25.085526.914@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
|>
|> But I'll be damned, his "rights" to be sick & to fail to treat his disease & to
|> spread it all over the place were, indeed preserved. Happy?
Several years ago I tried to commit a patient who was growing Salmonella out of his
stool, blood, and an open ulcer for treatment. The idea was that the guy was a
walking public health risk, and that forcing him to receive IV antibiotics for
a few days was in the public interest. I will make a long story short by saying
that the judge laughed at my idea, yelled at me for wasting his time, and let
the guy go.
I found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only MEDICAL (as oppsed to psychiatric)
condition that one can be committed for, and this is because very specific laws were
enacted many years ago regarding tb. I am certain these vary from state to state.
Any legal experts out there to help us on this?
-km
| 13sci.med |
Would someone please give me the address for Texas Ranger
ticket orders. Thanks very much.
Jim
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Has anyone considered how to prosecute a city holding a "no
questions asked" buy-back for receiving stolen property?
--
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5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
Chandler, AZ 85226
| 16talk.politics.guns |
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I know of several NuBus frame-grabber boards but wonder if there
might be similar ones for the lesser Macs (those without slots),
something permitting instant freezing of a video picture (PAL)
and feeding it in without jaggies to a simple digitizer like
MacVision (which takes 22 secs to scan a picture, so a frame
grabber is a necessity).
The objective is 512*342 1bit/ pixel (B/W) pictures stored in
HyperCard... have tried using top-quality VCR with freeze-frame
function but the screens come out full of streaks and garbage.
PLEASE reply ONLY to ----------> ianf@random.se
and I'll summarize
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read such high-volume
group as is c.s.m.h) Thanks!
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr3.214741.14026@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>
> My claim is that a person that committs a crime doesn't believe in
> God, for the moment that the crime is committed, at least, whether
> they are originally believers or not. To believe is to do good.
> Your statistics indicate people that have declared atheism.
And doubtless, when an atheist does an act of charity
they temporarily become a Baptist.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product,
>i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media.
>There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already,
>albeit, not as capable as 3DO's. But are there compelling reasons to buy
>such yet? Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-)
I've just had the good fortune to be hired by Electronic Arts as Senior
Computer Graphics Artist at the Vancouver, Canada office. :^)
The timing has a lot to do with the 3DO which EA is putting a lot of resources
into. I do not know of any titles to be developed as yet but will be happy to
post as things develop. I start there May 3.
Markus Tessmann
| 1comp.graphics |
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In a previous article, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) says:
>In article <C5t14M.Ku2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
>
>Now, notice, it says *arms*. Not guns. Arms.
>
>The Comsymp ZOG wants you to think that it is the only legitimate
>possessor of nuclear weapons. Unconstitutional! You and I have just
>as much right to a kilogram or two of nice weapons grade plutonium as
>any cruddy little pointy headed liberal Los Alamos pinkos.
>
>Support your right to keep and bear short range nuclear weapons. It's
>a legitimate and challenging sport.
Good. Another liberal converted by Waco! If Dave had had something
realistic, there would have been none of this "Bradley" vehicle
crap.
Somebody in talk.politics.guns was offering free NRA
memberships. Hurry up.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I thought that Walt Weiss was jewish. I seem to recall this
was mentioned once while he was still at Oakland.
Also, I have my suspicions about Esther Canseco (nee Haddad).
--Gidi
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <C5JH23.Eu8@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>|> ...you don't specify the means through which the government
>|> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a
>|> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as
>|> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto
>|> dealers.
>|>
>|> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms,
>|> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws,
>|> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a
>|> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special
>|> interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly
>|> designed to accomplish the opposite.
>
>...If government is not allowed to
>use "non-initiated force" to achieve its goals, than no special interest
>can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf.
Fine. Libertarians and anarchists are not alone in being uncomfortable
with the use of state sponsored coercion. The notion that coercion can
be virtually eliminated in a society (or more properly that once it is
eliminated on the part of the state it is no longer worth serious
consideration) is a view that is peculiar to libertarians and anarchists.
For example, does "non-initiated force" (coercion) include tax collection?
Does it include the minimal level of regulation of commerce envisioned
by Adam Smith? Since coercion can be exercised by actors other than the
state, how is the state to deal with it? Exclusively through after the
fact arbitration/legal compulsion?
>
>The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic
>which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until
>libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to
>make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education
>monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government
>reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants "embrace" libertarianism.
>That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory
>Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!]
Well, I must admit that the picture of libertarians as Amway participants
is somewhat more reassuring than the idea of them trying to govern a
complex, conflictual, industrial society. I'd venture to point out,
however, that if libertarians couldn't convince at least 85% of a group
of "seminar participants" to "embrace" their philosophy, their
propaganda skills need to be honed.
Frankly, however, it is no great trick to create a government for a
society in which (almost) everyone is assumed to agree about what is a proper
government policy. Once that is assumed, all sorts of annoying formalities
can be dispensed with, elections, police, etc. And as Mr. Marx said,
the state will just wither away.
On the way there, however, would you like to explain how eliminating
virtually all policies that restrain private coercion in the
current society will help us to live happier lives? Or is it like
socialism; just some short-term pain that we'll have to bear until
everyone has had the benefit of "re-education" through regular
"seminar" training?
jsh
>
>Roger Collins
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hi everyone. Just the other day, I ordered a VRAM chip for my new LCIII from
Mac Connection. They sent it overnight (very nice) and I got it installed,
and we found that it didn't work properly. When you put the computer in
thousands mode, the bottom of the screen (using the new chip) is all flickering
and fuzzy. So I called them up and I'm going to return it for a new one.
My question is, how often does such a thing happen with SIMM chips in general?
Do you often find when ordering chips that a large portion are bad? Is this
a rarity? This is the first chip I've ordered so I have no other experience
in this area. I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same type of
experience.
That's about it. Please email me, and if people want, I can post a summary.
Thanks all.
--
Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
"Is rot13 rotated 13 forward or backward?"
--Anonymous
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
EC>It was called the Mac XL when Sculley came on board. I bought one at
a close-out place after the Mac Plus and the awesome 20-meg serial hard
drive were introduced. To pacify people who bought the XL and only found
it was discontinued within a year, Apple sent people like I a letter
saying for $1500 and the XL, they would give me a 1-meg Mac Plus with
the HD20.
The Lisa was originally introduced in 1980 or '81, I forget now, and
sold for $9995 with 2 400k floppy drives and 1Mb memory. It didn't do
too well. <grin>
Before becoming the Mac XL it was called a Lisa 2/10. It had a built in
10meg HD by this time and was expandable to 2Mb RAM although that's not
what the 2 in 2/10 stood for. It was the second coming of the Lisa. It
also predated the Mac Plus AND the 20Mb serial HD by quite a few months.
For a short while it WAS the power users system.
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