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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C5w7zo.5xL@eskimo.com>, Steven Thornton writes:
> In article <1993Apr21.130659.1@tesla.njit.edu> drm6640@tesla.njit.edu
> writes:
> Just watch me. Mattingly is a below average fielder.
> Before you start up, yes, I have proof. There are really only two
> adequate ways to measure fielding prowess. the first, which has the
> advantage of being applicable to older players, since it uses raw data
> available for almost all of MLB history, is the Total Chances per Game
> method favored by the Total Baseball people among others. It basically
> says that you measure a fielder by how many balls he gets to.
But it is subject to all kinds of bias, and is almost completely useless
for first basemen. From the raw stats, there is no way to tell which of
a first baseman's putouts were made on throws from other fielders, and
which were made on his own plays; likewise, you can't tell whether a
double play was 6-4-3 or 3-6-3. Fielding Runs thus gives a first
baseman no credit for putouts or double plays, only for assists and
errors.
It thus favors first basemen who play deep, reaching a lot of balls but
forcing the pitcher to cover first more frequently. It also hurts first
baseman who play behind left-handed pitching staffs and thus face few
left-handed batters.
> A better method, but newer and based ondata that has only been collected
> over the last few years, measures the percentage of balls hit into the
> part of the field the guy is responsible for.
This is better; of course, it still isn't all of a first baseman's
defense.
> Some references: Mattingly's 1992 defensive rating, STATS method, from
> Mike Gimbel's Baseball Player and Team Ratings: -1.
Defensive Average, which uses larger (and probably better) zones, has
Mattingly tied for second in the league.
> On the other hand, he has contributed 233 runs by his batting
> actions, a pretty healthy number.
While 233 batting runs is good, it is mostly in the past; the runs he
produced in 1986 don't say much about his value in 1993.
--
David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
"We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."
"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I have manual transmission 5 speed. It difficult to engage gear. Does xmission oil change improve this situation?
What do you think about the most favorable xmission oil change period?
Youjip
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr22.155542.12457@siemens.co.at>,
mxcrew@mx2306.gud.siemens.co.at (The MX-Crew) wrote:
>
> Sorry for my stupid question :->, but what do you "americans" mean with
> "shaft-drives". My dictionary knows only strange meanings like:
> Schaft, Stiel, Pfeil, Strahl, Welle, Deichsel, Schacht.
------------
Shaft: Bamboozle, beat, beguile, burn (or flame), deceive, hoax,
hoodwink.
Drive: Campaign, crusade, push.
So, 'shaft drive' may be a campaign to decieve or a crusade of beguile,
efforts where are true to the spirit of this list.
Wheel: revolution, swing
Crusaders of beguile are innefective in revolutions and they cannot
swing, either, therefore shaft drives cannot do wheelies.
====================================================
John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
>From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
>Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some
>soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually
>some Pope *will* straighten all this out. But, on the other hand,
>there is also unsoundness in this, in that, in the short term, the
>Popes may indeed be wrong, and such Catholics are doing nothing to
>help the situation by obeying them where they're wrong. In fact, if
>the situation is grave enough, they sin in obeying him. At the very
>least, they're wasting a great opportunity, because they are failing
>to love Christ in a heroic way at the very time that He needs this
>badly.
Joe;
Your logic excapes me.
If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the
Pope cannot "be wrong!" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter
of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the
Pope is the legal head of the church.
In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice
but to obey.
Bob
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[You might want to look at the FAQ on infallibility. The doctrine on
infallibility does not say that the pope is always right. All
Catholic theologians acknowledge that there have been a number of
occasions when the pope was wrong. There appear to be two aspects to
infallibility. One is a general concept that in the long run the
Church is protected from serious error. However this does not mean
that it's impossible for it to take wrong turns at one time or
another. The more specific concept of papal infallibility is that in
very specific circumstances a papal statement can be known to be
infallible. However a relatively small fraction of statements meet
those criteria. This does not absolve Catholics from the duty to obey
even "ordinary" teachings of the pope. However only a few teachings
are made in a way that is explicitly infallible. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <Apr.16.23.18.07.1993.1879@geneva.rutgers.edu> phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>But what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a
>non-existent danger? Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both
>sides). Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your
>respective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise.
>
>The important point to note is the different directions both sides come from.
>Christians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right
>(and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all.
>
>Christians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently
>to them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get
>offended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH.
The analogy does not depend on the premisses being true, because the
question under discussion is not truth but arrogance.
A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood
transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are
Jehovah's Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood
transfusion. The doctor's efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood
transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as
Christians could be perceived to be arrogant.
The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary
to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the
doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his
beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance.
============================================================
Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za Fidonet: 5:7101/20
steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of
the Faculty of Theology at Unisa
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
Why? Either the numerator or the denominator could fluctuate.
The dollar value of a gun would (of course)
go up if supply were restricted. The weight of a gun might
go down significantly as technology improved. I don't
think you have a basis to assert this.
>It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
>would have to be local. There are not all that many people
>who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
>firearms from scratch.
The skill is easily taught to anyone with a modicum of
mechanical aptitude and the ONLY motivator needed is
money. If guns were banned then this motivator would kick
in big time. Now, of course, it is not a moneymaking
proposition for every machine shop to make guns on the
side when it ain't rebuilding engines. Ban guns and
watch what happens. You'll have to schedule a year in advance
to get your brakes resurfaced. ;-)
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr21.172806.679@megatek.com> tims@megatek.com writes:
>> Let us not limit
>> 'misc.taoism' to 'philosophy'.
>
>But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into
>a big amorphous glob.
Hmm...are you a Taoist? Imposing limits *does* do something useful...it gives
you something to go beyond.
>It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the
>category of "general metaphysics". I would prefer any misc.taoism
>to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated
>with at least "semi-orthodox" Taoism: with established classic works
>definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about!
I tend to be a bit critical of any stratification of Taoism. I especially
tend to frown on any suggestion that "orthodoxy" or "classics" have any
special place in Tao.
>I think "neo-Taoism" should be excluded or get its own group (what I
>mean by this is "Humpty-Dumpty Taoism", in which Taoism means whatever
>a poster says it means.) This "alt.taoism" could also be a refuge
>for debates about what "Taoism *REALLY* means" or speculations on sexual
>alchemy, etc..
So rather than debate what "Taoism *REALLY* means" you are suggesting that
we take someone else's word for it and work thusly? I'd rather not, thank
you.
>What's happening is that that the term "Taoism" is becoming
>completely polluted and trivialized like the words "magic", "Alchemy",
>"Zen," etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they
>want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled "The
>Tao of" this, that, and everything else.
Whereas you, of course, have a clear idea of what the word means? Can
you tell the Tao? :-)
>Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance,
>I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may.
Wonderful idea.
>it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the
>Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to
>these groups just as they do now.
Only if you choose to define failure in that way. Or to define it at all.
--
I believe in the flesh and the appetites,
Seeing hearing and feeling are miracles,
and each part and tag of me is a miracle.
-- Walt Whitman
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Wasn't it Tricky Dick who issued stern warnings to Bush & Clinton
not to 'Lose Russia'? (a la 'Who lost China?')
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <Apr.20.03.02.26.1993.3803@geneva.rutgers.edu> clh writes:
>Re: Are you Christian or Pauline?
>Both.
Sure, why not? But, are you using Paul to correct the words of Jesus?
>There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is
>not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with
>the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles.
"So *anyone* who dissolves even one of the smallest commands and teaches
others the same way, will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the
skies; whereas *anyone* who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will
be known as *someone* great in the kingdom of the skies." Mat5:19 (Gaus)
Are you an "anyone" or are you a "no one?"
Why not assume, that since Jesus didn't say that his words apply only to
Jews, that they apply to all human beings, irregardless of race or sex?
Why not assume, that even though Jesus did not mention your name, still
Jesus was talking directly to you?
>That's why I
>have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion.
>As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies
>of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't
>come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various
>Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in
>other newsgroups.
>Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that
>it applies to Gentiles.
Does it say that it applies to *you*? Are you anyone or no one?
>And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the
>Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're
>looking at the obligations of Gentiles.
Ex20:8-11(JPS) Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Six days you
shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of
the LORD your God; you shall not do any work - you, your son or
daughter, your male or female slave, or your cattle, or the stranger who
is within your settlements. For in six days the LORD made heaven and
earth and sea, and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh
day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hollowed it.
Note: There is no specific requirement for worship here, however I for
one would not be so bold as to call these verses a "ceremonial detail."
>Similarly circumcision.
Don't many Christians still practice circumcision?
>I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's
>unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly.
It's unfortunate that Jesus didn't use your name directly, or maybe
Jesus did? Are you somebody or nobody?
>However we
>do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus
>dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt
>with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15
>more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see
>that there's a big problem.
If you don't see a problem, then perhaps there is none. As Paul closes
Romans 14 (Gaus):
In short, pursue the ends of peace and of building each other up.
Don't let dietary considerations undo the work of God. Everything may be
clean, but it's evil for the person who eats it in an offensive spirit.
Better not to eat the meat or drink the wine or whatever else your
brother is offended by. As for the faith that you have, keep that
between yourself and God. The person is in luck who doesn't condemn
himself for what he samples. On the other hand, the person with doubts
about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on
his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin.
[As far as I know, Christians (except specific Jewish Christian
groups, and maybe some of the sabbatarians -- both of which are very
small groups) do not practice circumcision on religious grounds. In
some countries it has been done for supposed health reasons, but I've
not heard it argued that it is being done because of the Biblical
commandment. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
>
>Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as
>well as why I don't believe it. And if it's boring, then I yield the last
>word to you, if you want it. You may say anything you like with
>impunity--I am dropping the subject.
>
>--John L. Scott
How very kind of you!
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <jschwimmer.123.735362184@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu> jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) writes:
Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current
status of his research would be appreciated.
Burzynski's work is not too promising. None of his A-1 through A-5
antineoplastons have been shown to have antineoplastic effects against
experimental cancer. The NCI conducted tests of A-2 and A-5 against
leukemia in mice, with the result that doses high enough to produce
toxic effects in the mice were not effective in inhibiting the growth
of the tumor or killing it. (These were in 1983 and 1985)
Burzynski claims that A-10 is the active factor common to all of A-1
and A-5 (something which he has not shown, A-10 has only been
extracted from A-2. He also hasn't shown that A-1 through A-5 are actually
distinct substances). The NCI conducted a series of tests using A-10
against a standard panel of tumors that included different cell lines
from tumors in the following classes: leukemia, non-small-cell and
small-cell lung cancer, colon cancer, cancer of the central nervous
system, melanoma, ovarian cancer and renal cancer. A-10 exhibited
neither growth inhibition nor cytotoxicity at the dose levels tested.
It is necessary to process A-10 since it is not soluble (Burzynski's
theory requires soluble agents), but this basically hydrolizes it to
PAG (which he calls AS 2.5). PAG is not an information carrying
peptide, something which Byrzynski claims is necessary for
antineoplastic activity. AS 2.1 (also derived from A-10) is a 4:1
mixture of PA and PAG. PA (also not a peptide) can be purchased at a
chemical supply houses for about $0.09 a gram. A-10 is chemically
extremely similar to glutithamide and thalidomide, both of which are
habit forming and can cause peripheral neuropathy. The nasty effects
of thalidomide are widely known. In spite of this similarity, A-10
does not appear to have been tested for it's potential to induce
teratogenicity or peripheral neuropathy.
Many of Burzynski's statements about the origin of his theory, early
research, past and present support by others for his work have been
shown to be untrue.
sdb
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| 13sci.med |
db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
>Mark Schnitzius writes:
>>> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
>>>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such.
>>
>>This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings
>>die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one "wail
>>and gnash teeth" with no lungs and no teeth?
>One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the
>doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after
>the great judgement. "We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the
>life of the world to come." - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You
>will have both body and soul in hell - eventually.
Now this is getting interesting!
I was raised Roman Catholic before becoming an atheist, so I have stated
this Creed you quote nearly every Sunday until I was about 18. For some
reason, I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the
resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean
the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point:
1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was
pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right
now. You seem to be implying that it will not occur until after the
"great judgement" (which I read as meaning the proverbial Judgment Day).
I was always a little confused on this point, even when I was with the
church -- maybe someone can clear it up for me. Where will my "soul"
(which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time?
2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms
that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? My
physical body now is susceptible to aging, etc. -- so I guess my
new body will have to be radically different in order to be immortal
so it can be tortured for all eternity?
3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical
place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth?
Do you think we could find it if we dig?
Mark Schnitzius
schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu
Univ. of Central Florida
[There is not complete agreement on the details of the afterlife. I
think the most common view is that final disposition does not occur
until a final judgement, which is still in the future. In the
meantime, some believe that people "sleep" until the final
resurrection (or because God is above time, pass directly from death
to the future time when the resurrection occurs), while others believe
that souls have a disembodied, pre-resurrection existence until then.
There are probably other alternatives that I'm omitting.
The new body is generally conceived of being implemented in a
different "technology" than the current one, one which is not mortal.
(Paul talks about the mortal being raised to immortality, and Jesus'
resurrected body -- which is the first example -- clearly was not
subject to the same kind of limitations as ours.) It is assumed that
there are enough similarities that people will recognize each other,
but I don't think most people claim to know the details. I don't
think I'd say it's the same atoms. I'd assume there would be some
analog of a physical place, but I wouldn't expect to find it under the
earth or up in the sky. I'd suspect that it's in another dimension,
outside this physical world, or whatever. But again, we have little
in the way of details.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Hello,
I have a 386sx25 notebook with windows 3.1 running fine. WINWORD 2.0 and
QUATTRO-PRO for windows also work fine when no virtual memory is used.
Switching on the virtual memory option these programs (probably others too)
don't work, the system crashes. The same programs work well with arbitrary
virtual memory on two other desktop PC's. What am I doing wrong?
If you can help, please mail to me directly, if possible.
Thank you very much in advance.
Stefan
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
found in a rental store once
| 8rec.motorcycles |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of
>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving
>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the
>most likely explanation for events.
You forgot the smiley-face.
I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me
you're an aberration.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
| 13sci.med |
I just received some new information regarding the issue of
BCCI and whether it is an Islamic bank etc.
I am now about to post it under the heading
"BCCI".
Look for it there!
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
| 0alt.atheism |
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Or he was just convinced by religious fantasies of the time that he was the
Messiah, or he was just some rebel leader that an organisation of Jews built
into Godhood for the purpose off throwing of the yoke of Roman oppression,
or.......
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie?
Are the Moslem fanatics who strap bombs to their backs and driving into
Jewish embassies dying for the truth (hint: they think they are)? Were the
NAZI soldiers in WWII dying for the truth?
People die for lies all the time.
>Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
Was Hitler a liar? How about Napoleon, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan? We spend
millions of dollars a year trying to find techniques to detect lying? So the
answer is no, they wouldn't be able to tell if he was a liar if he only lied
about some things.
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did
>heal people.
Why do you think he healed people, because the Bible says so? But if God
doesn't exist (the other possibility) then the Bible is not divinely
inspired and one can't use it as a piece of evidence, as it was written by
unbiased observers.
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
Were Hitler or Mussolini lunatics? How about Genghis Khan, Jim Jones...
there are thousands of examples through history of people being drawn to
lunatics.
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
So we obviously cannot rule out liar or lunatic not to mention all the other
possibilities not given in this triad.
> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
Possibly self-fulfilling prophecy (ie he was aware what he should do in
order to fulfil these prophecies), possibly selective diting on behalf of
those keepers of the holy bible for a thousand years or so before the
general; public had access. possibly also that the text is written in such
riddles (like Nostradamus) that anything that happens can be twisted to fit
the words of raving fictional 'prophecy'.
>and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
>write I will use it.
[stuff about how hard it is to be a christian deleted]
I severely recommend you reconsider the reasons you are a christian, they
are very unconvincing to an unbiased observer.
Jeff.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1r7houINNop9@titan.ucs.umass.edu>, cma@titan.ucs.umass.edu (COLIN MA) writes:
>I just started reading this newsgroup and haven't been following the
>thread. I'm just curious: How did this thread get started with
>"Albert Sabin" and changed into something else? What was it about
>Sabin that initiated a religious discussion?
>
>Colin
Its just variation within a thread. The variation at times has been so great
that speciation has occurred. So Albert Sabin is the common ancestor of
several threads, some of which have themselves speciated. On a separate topic,
I subscribed to t.o. just recently. Albert Sabin existed at that time, so I
have no clue as to its origins. Maybe the abiogenesists have an answer. I
might also point out that evolution is aimless. Thus why Albert
Sabin evolved into a religious discussion is probably unexplainable.
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1qjfnv$ogt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
O'Dwyer) wrote:
> (1) Does the term "hero-worship" mean anything to you?
Yes, worshipping Jesus as the super-saver is indeed hero-worshipping
of the grand scale. Worshipping Lenin that will make life pleasant
for the working people is, eh, somehow similar, or what.
> (2) I understand that gods are defined to be supernatural, not merely
> superhuman.
The notion of Lenin was on the borderline of supernatural insights
into how to change the world, he wasn't a communist God, but he was
the man who gave presents to kids during Christmas.
> #Actually, I agree. Things are always relative, and you can't have
> #a direct mapping between a movement and a cause. However, the notion
> #that communist Russia was somewhat the typical atheist country is
> #only something that Robertson, Tilton et rest would believe in.
>
> Those atheists were not True Unbelievers, huh? :-)
Don't know what they were, but they were fanatics indeed.
Cheers,
Kent
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C5u1LI.7EM@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
|> Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was
|> late and too pricey. If they can write off the Elan development costs the may
|> be able to sell them for a sensible price.
I read that GM wants to keep the Design part of Lotus but lose the car
production. And, I seem to remember, that the main problem with the Elan
was caused by GM's insistence that the Elan be re-designed (significantly)
for the US market which caused major design & production headaches.
|> : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
|> : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
|> : : the name.
|>
|> : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
|>
|> : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate
|> : company from the RR Aero-Engine company.
|>
|> It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars.
Quite true - brain fade on my part.
|> David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
| 8rec.motorcycles |
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I've got a Racet 5.25" MO Drive with a Ricoh RO-5030E mechanism with the
new ROMs... The thing is, I have a new TOSOH Optical Disk 512/bytes per
sector cart for the thing that refuses to mount or be formatted... all the
carts that I have for the drive that work are Racet Certified Media
512k/sector carts... All I can think of is that this TOSOH cart uses some
kind of incompatible low level format... anyone know what software will
allow this to be formatted on this drive? or a new DIP setting for the
mechanism? I've tried just about every combination of drivers and custom
formatting programs I can find with no luck... any ideas?
joshc@csa.bu.edu (if you have a good idea, please e-mail it to this
address if possible, I can't check this newsgroup constantly, thanks)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Mar19.215728.24473@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>Armenians did not genocide Turks.
See, you are a paid liar.
Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 363 (first paragraph).
"From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last
scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags,
looms, even spinning-wheels.
'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must
leave.'...We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And
for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains.
Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in
a sack of other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"
(to be continued...)
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr15.132954.4396@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>How dare you presume that he even has a right to go around a newsgroup
>with a desire to convince others of any external position he has.
They are news because they are the exceptions. And the 'Islamic Holocaust'
is much the topic of the day. The historical evidence proves that during
the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited,
assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people
because of race, religion and national origin. Armenians perpetrated acts
of sabotage, destroyed telephone cables, blew up bridges, blocked passes,
set up ambushes, attacked security stations and small Turkish outposts
behind the Ottoman Army lines on the one hand, and on the other ruthlessly
attacked Turkish and Kurdish villages, slaughtering the Turkish population
indiscriminately, women, children, old and young alike. Innocent
Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death, or massacred with
axes and swords, or else shut up in mosques or in schools and then burnt
alive as can be seen below.
Widespread Armenian massacres of innocent Muslims took place in regions
of Van, Kars, Sivas, Erzurum, Bitlis, Erzincan, Mus, Diyarbakir and
Maras. The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion,
also had to deal with Armenian genocide squads who cowardly hit from
behind. The Armenian genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of
Eastern Anatolia. Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed
widespread massacres and genocide in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena
was left to the Armenians. Almost every Turkish town and village from
Erzincan up to Azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres and genocide
by Armenians and the Turkish genocide has been documented by Armenian,
Russian, American, British, Ottoman, German, Austrian and French
journalists and officers who observed the first genocide of this century
committed by the blood-thirsty Armenian genocide squads.
The Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum,
Kars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their
villages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred.
The massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for
humanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German,
Austrian, French and American authorities.
Almost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and
cruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by
Armenian genocide squads perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish
and Kurdish people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents.
Even today over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of
the victims of these cruelties can be heard.
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
(To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,
Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)
'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.
"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at
almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people
well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the
Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs.
I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is
destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are
speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as
well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is
proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."
Dr. Stephan Eshnanie
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I believe that that would be the same as a system error #64. Since there is no
error #64, then I would guess that it would be a -64 error. Which is a font
manager error of "error during font declairation".
I would assume that the system that's on the floppy that you are trying start
up on has a corrupted font in it, or something like that.
Mario Murphy
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
NOTE: followups to comp.dcom.modems (for obvious reasons)
In article <1r0mb9$67h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Andy Nicola) writes:
>In a previous article, cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) says:
>>What is the difference between the US Robotics Courier v32bis external and the
>>Sportster 14400 external? I see that the price of a Sportster has dramatically
>>dropped to below $200 but the price of the Courier remains above $400.
>>
>>Anyone with knowledge of both of these modems or anyone that owns a Courier?
the Courier is their top-of-the-line product, thus the higher price. I've
never taken a real look at the Sportster line (only Couriers), but from what
I've gathered, it's basically more of an entry-level modem. probably
doesn't meet the same specifications that the Courier does. I'm not sure
if the Sportster line is fully DSP driven like the (more recent) Courier
modems are, so upgrades in the future may be an issue.
again, take all of the above with a grain of salt...I've never evaluated
the Sportster, so I'm going by bits and pieces that I've heard. if you
want a real answer, post the question in comp.dcom.modems and you'll find
people who HAVE worked with the Sportster.
personally, though, if I were going to look at the Courier modems, I'd
buy the Dual Standard...then I'd get both HST and V.32bis. in fact, this
is exactly what I did. :-) I'm sitting here looking at my USR DS right
now.
and now, to correct a few VERY incorrect statements.... folks, if you want
to get reliable answers to modem and/or UART questions, post them to
comp.dcom.modems. if you post in other groups, you never know what you'll
get in the way of an answer (you may very well get a good answer...or you
may get something like the one below). at least in cdm, if someone posts
complete and utter bs, you'll see a flurry of folks correcting them (to
avoid spreading faulty info).
>The Sportster at 14.4 has v.42 error control and v.42 bis data compression.
just as it does at lower speeds, too. there is absolutely nothing in
either CCITT Recommendation V.42 or V.42bis that says that they can only
operate on modems that are running V.32bis. V.42bis, of course, is
currently only *STANDARDIZED* for operation on top of V.42 (in its primary
mode of operation, LAPM), but that's about as far as that goes.
and just in case there's some confusion on this, V.42/V.42bis are also
supported by the Courier line (unless you have a really ancient one).
>The difference
>with the Courier, is that it can run at 16.8 and only in the HST mode.
take a second look at the original question:
>In a previous article, cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) says:
>>What is the difference between the US Robotics Courier v32bis external
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
see the V.32bis up there? the question was not about the Courier HST
modem, or about the Courier Dual Standard...it was about the Courier
V.32bis modem. the modem in question does not support HST, period. it
therefore does not support the 16.8 kb HST.
also, not all Courier HST / Courier Dual Standard modems support the 16.8 kb
version of HST. my Dual Standard only supports HST at 14.4 kb. there are
even older models that only run HST at 9.6 kb.
>This is a proprietary mode of USR and it will only connect to another of
>the same type unit to achieve this speed.
HST is USR's proprietary modulation scheme.... but we're not talking about
HST, we're talking about V.32bis. V.32bis is most definitely *NOT* a
proprietary modulation scheme.
>The Sportster will do
>asynchronous transmissions as well as synchronous. The HST is one way
>only.
I do hope you didn't mean for these two sentences to be related in some
way.....
first off, V.32 and V.32bis are both synchronous and asynchronous. this is
part of the CCITT Recommendation (i.e., part of the standard). it isn't a
feature unique to the Sportster (I just looked at the appropriate chapter
in the Courier DS manual).
second, HST is not ``one way only.'' more correctly put, it is an
asymmetrical modulation scheme, meaning it doesn't work at the same speed
in both directions. HST operates at [9.6 / 14.4 / 16.8] in one direction,
and has a low-speed back-channel in the other direction. the high-speed
channel goes in the direction of the higher data flow. this is fine if
you're logged on to say, a BBS, and type one letter and get screens of
info back, transfer files (not using bimodem), etc.... there is, of course,
a penalty for turnaround time when the high-speed channel needs to reverse
directions.
V.32 and V.32bis are both symmetrical, meaning they do transfer the full
data rate in both directions at the same time.
third, synchronous vs asynchronous has absolutely nothing to do with
symmetrical vs asymmetrical...they are two completely different topics.
>The HST's will be upgradeable to the v.fast spec when it is available.
again, more correctly put, *SOME* of the Courier line will be upgradeable
to whatever ``V.fast'' is called when it's complete. if you have the large
footprint Courier modems (like I do), you're S.O.L..... there was an
upgrade plan a while back to upgrade to a small footprint variety, which
could eventually be upgraded to support V.fast, but the cost of the two
upgrades together pretty much put it higher than just buying a new modem.
later.....
--jim
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In <1r3mmnINN4p1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley) writes:
>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason
>Haines) writes:
>>
>> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
>> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
>> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
>> sell them but have gotten NO interest.
>>
>> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
>> some SIMMs 8-) )
>Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them
I think they are really neat to put onto key rings. When somebody
makes the mistake of asking about it, you can *totally* geek out.
tc
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr6.155118.5779@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu
(Jiann-ming Su) writes:
> In article <ls1d6vINNs65@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>
str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes:
> >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn.
>
> Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I
know
> Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if
he
> didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is
now.
>
And Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be
making near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's
your point?
> I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport
for a
> living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough.
>
> If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one
hurting.
> The A's will still win without him.
Will they? You can't usually take away one of the team's best
players and still expect them to win. Or do you think the
Pirates will continue to win without Barry Bonds.
>
> Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their
athletic
> ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard
working
> citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay.
So. Again, Jack Nicholson gets paid much more than most hard
working citizens (and much more than Rickey Henderson for that
matter).
>
> I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is
when the
> say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3
million--also,
> their numbers get worse.
The reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks
start making the real big salaries late in their career, when they
are on the decline. (There are exceptions, of course. Dave Parker
fell apart after making his first million because he put most
of that million up his nose.)
--
Jim Mann
Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Is anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant?
(does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?)
desperately seeking info,
Jeff Hagen
hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu
| 7rec.autos |
In article <C5r4IA.A21@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
> With the Davidians all dead, [...]
One minor point here: they're not all dead.
Not that I'm inclined to stand up for BATF or the FBI, mind you.
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my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr1.024850.20111@sradzy.uucp>, radzy@sradzy.uucp
(T.O. Radzykewycz) writes:
> >>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
> >>> 666, the file permission of the beast.
>
> >radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes:
> >> Sorry, but the file permission of the beast is 600.
> >>
> >> And the file permission of the home directory of the
> >> beast is 700.
>
> boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
> >Hey, radzy, it must depend on your system's access policy.
> >I get:
> > $ ls -lg /usr/users
> > total 3
> > drwxrwxrwx 22 beast system 1536 Jan 01 1970 beast
> > drwxr-x--x 32 boylan users 2048 Mar 31 09:08 boylan
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 guest users 512 Sep 18 1992 guest
> > $ su
> > Password:
> > root $ su beast
> > beast $ umask
> > 111
> > beast $ ^D
> > root $ ^D
> > $
>
> Just a minute....
>
> $ grep beast /etc/passwd
> beast:k5tUk76RAUogQ:497:0:Not Walt Disney!:/usr/users/beast:
> $ mv /usr/users/beast/.profile /usr/users/beast/.profile,
> $ echo umask 077 >> /usr/users/beast/.profile
> $ cat > /usr/users/beast/.profile
> chmod 700 /usr/users/beast
> mv .mailrc .mailrc,
> echo beast logged in | mail radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com
> mv .mailrc, .mailrc
> mv /usr/users/beast/.profile, /usr/users/beast/.profile
> ^D
> $ chmod 777 /usr/users/beast/.profile
> $ cat /usr/users/beast/.profile, >> /usr/users/beast/.profile
>
> <waits a while, finally gets mail.>
>
> I think you made a mistake. Check it again.
>
I see . . . you're not running Ultrix!
:-)
- - Steve
--
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April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr26.063532.10120@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
writes:
> In article <C614BJ.BK6@agora.rain.com> jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart)
writes:
> >"The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of
> >the keys and not on the secrecy of the algorithms" -- Dorothy Denning
>
> Cite source, please.
Dorothy Denning, _Cryptography and Data Security_, 1982, Addison Wesley.
Page 8, under the heading "Cryptosystems must satisfy three general
requirements. The other two are efficiency and ease of use.
--Michael L. Mauldin
Carnegie Mellon University
| 11sci.crypt |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr21.012139.13444@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>When I say "black," I mean US-born black people for the purposes of this
>discussion. Hispanic players were in baseball before 1947, and one
>team in the 50's signed lots of hispanics because they went over better
>with the local audience than blacks did.
What about black hispanics?
>>And why would more hispanics stick around than blacks?
>
>Don't know. But remember: this is the country that had special racial
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>laws for one group and one group only: blacks. Our national history
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Man, you had better do some SERIOUS reading. I really, really doubt that you
meant to say this.
Mike
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In a prior article ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better.
> When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys,
> I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's
> keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all
> seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling
> this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some
> xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me?
Unfortunately, the key event handling is pretty much hardwired into
emacs. I ran into this problem a while back; my solution was to
change the source code so that all of these special keys generated
character sequences which basically encoded the keysym and modifier
state as escape sequences -- for example, the sequence "ESC [ 1 B 7"
would indicate that the "HOME" key was pressed, with the shift key
down. You could also detect standard keys with odd modifiers, such
as "shift-Return".
If anybody wants these changes, they're welcome to them, but you'll
have to have the source available and be comfortable munging with
it a bit. Basically you have to replace the keypress handling code
in the source file "x11term.c". Maybe if someone at OSF is
interested, I can send them the tweaks, but I imagine they've got
bigger fish to fry (hopefully including the much talked about
emacs V19!). If there's sufficient interest, I'll post the mods
somewhere, although this probably isn't the appropriate group for it.
Notes:
* This special code will only apply if you let emacs create
its own (X11) window. If you run it in plain old tty mode (which
includes Xterm windows) then it's business as usual.
* The patches I made were to version 18.58, under Sun OS 4.1.2
[I also did this a while back under HP-UX]. The patches are
in a chunk of code between '#if sun ... #endif' but could
easily be adapted for anything else.
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on wednesday morning, another driver decided to illegally
turn left in front of me, doing great damage to my car
(Honda Civic).
i have yet to pay off the car, and the body shop says the
insurance company wants to total the car. i haven't
been able to get in touch with the person handling my claim,
so i checked on some things:
1) my payout is $3700.00
2) Blue Book retail is $5650.00
3) loan value is $4450.00
4) trade-in value is $4000.00
could anyone give me any advice on what i should/could do
if the insurance company does not give me a reasonable
amount for the loss of the car.
thanks,
james baker
baker@dfwvx1.dallas.geoquest.slb.com
| 7rec.autos |
There is an article in Communications Week (April 12's issue) which
states definitively that not only is the justice department trying to revive
the "wiretapping bill", but they are ALSO trying to find a way to force key
registration. CLIPPER is an obvious thrust in exactly this direction.
Dorothy Dennings is quoted in this missive.
Communications Week, April 12th, page 8. Read it and get peeved folks.
Then ACT NOW or lose your fundamental right to privacy.
Clinton has shown us that his only interest in this has to do with abortion,
and not the right of all citizens to be secure in their papers and effects.
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| 11sci.crypt |
SSF is up for redesign again. Let's do it right this
time! Let's step back and consider the functionality we want:
[1] microgravity/vacuum process research
[2] life sciences research (adaptation to space)
[3] spacecraft maintenence
The old NASA approach, explified by Shuttle and SSF so far, was to
centralize functionality. These projects failed to meet
their targets by a wide margin: the military and commercial users
took most of their payloads off Shuttle after wasting much effort to
tie their payloads to it, and SSF has crumbled into disorganization
and miscommunication. Over $50 billion has been spent on these
two projects with no reduction in launch costs and littel improvement
in commercial space industrialization. Meanwhile, military and commercial
users have come up with a superior strategy for space development: the
constellation.
Firstly, different functions are broken down into different
constellations placed in the optimal orbit for each function:
thus we have the GPS/Navstar constellation in 12-hour orbits,
comsats in Clarke and Molniya orbits, etc. Secondly, the task
is distributed amongst several spacecraft in a constellation,
providing for redundancy and full coverage where needed.
SSF's 3 main functions require quite different environments
and are also prime candidates for constellization.
[1] We have the makings of a microgravity constellation now:
COMET and Mir for long-duration flights, Shuttle/Spacelab for
short-duration flights. The best strategy for this area is
inexpensive, incremental improvement: installation of U.S. facilities
on Mir, Shuttle/Mir linkup, and transition from Shuttle/Spacelab
to a much less expensive SSTO/Spacehab/COMET or SSTO/SIF/COMET.
We might also expand the research program to take advantage of
interesting space environments, eg the high-radiation Van Allen belt
or gas/plasma gradients in comet tails. The COMET system can
be much more easily retrofitted for these tasks, where a
station is too large to affordably launch beyond LEO.
[2] We need to study life sciences not just in microgravity,
but also in lunar and Martian gravities, and in the radiation
environments of deep space instead of the protected shelter
of LEO. This is a very long-term, low-priority project, since
astronauts will have little practical use in the space program
until costs come down orders of magnitude. Furthermore, using
astronauts severely restricts the scope of the investigation,
and the sample size. So I propose LabRatSat, a constellation
tether-bolo satellites that test out various levels of gravity
in super-Van-Allen-Belt orbits that are representative of the
radiation environment encountered on Earth-Moon, Earth-Mars,
Earth-asteroid, etc. trips. The miniaturized life support
machinery might be operated real-time from earth thru a VR
interface. AFter several orbital missions have been flown,
follow-ons can act as LDEFs on the lunar and Martian surface,
testing out the actual environment at low cost before $billions
are spent on astronauts.
[3] By far the largest market for spacecraft servicing is in
Clarke orbit. I propose a fleet of small teleoperated
robots and small test satellites on which ground engineers can
practice their skills. Once in place, robots can pry stuck
solar arrays and antennas, attach solar battery power packs,
inject fuel, etc. Once the fleet is working, it can be
spun off to commercial company(s) who can work with the comsat
companies to develop comsat replaceable module standards.
By applying the successful constellation strategy, and getting
rid of the failed centralized strategy of STS and old SSF, we
have radically improved the capability of the program while
greatly cutting its cost. For a fraction of SSF's pricetag,
we can fix satellites where the satellites are, we can study
life's adaptation to a much large & more representative variety
of space environments, and we can do microgravity and vacuum
research inexpensively and, if needed, in special-purpose
orbits.
N.B., we can apply the constellation strategy to space exploration
as well, greatly cutting its cost and increasing its functionality.
Mars Network and Artemis are two good examples of this; more ambitiously
we can set up a network of native propellant plants on Mars that can be used
to fuel planet-wide rover/ballistic hopper prospecting and
sample return. The descendants of LabRatSat's technology can
be used as a Mars surface LDEF and to test out closed-ecology
greenhouses on Mars at low cost.
--
Nick Szabo szabo@techboook.com
| 14sci.space |
In article <C5L480.K7u@elite.intel.com> dgw@elite.intel.com (Dennis Willson)
writes:
[..]
>
> On February 28, 1993, the special agents attempting to serve the
> Federal search warrant were all dressed in apparel clearly identified
> with the letters "ATF" and a highly visible police-type badge.
> Additionally, the special agents announced who they were and their
> purpose for being at the compound.
>
> Immediately following this announcement, gunfire erupted from the
> compound, resulting in the deaths of four ATF special agents and the
> wounding of several others. Through no fault of ATF, the element of
> surprise was lost, which caused the tragedy.
This statement simply amazes me! "Through no fault of ATF, the element of
surprise was lost"! What element of surprise? In the paragraph preceding this
one, he said "... the special agents announced who they were and their purpose
for being at the compound", which was to serve the federal warrant. No element
of surprise was even needed for that.
No, the element of surprise that they lost was that needed for a preemptive
first strike, without warning.
> Inasmuch as the warrants
> remain sealed by a U.S. magistrate, and the investigation remains in an
> active ongoung status, we are prohibited from disclosing any further
> information at this time.
>
Read: They need to wait until they see how it comes out before they fabricate
anymore, which could get disproven.
> We hope we have been responsive to your letter. Please let us know
> whenever we may be of service.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Daniel M. H??l??tt [can't make out signature]
> Deputy Director
As always, no facts, just my opinions/observations.
Jim
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"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns |
pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes:
> I want to know that I have a competent doctor when I am ill. Government
> regulations have driven up costs and decreased quality by providing a
> monopoly for licensed M.D.s. Many procedures could be performed by
> qualified nurses but doctors are forced to do them. The common cold
> must be diagnosed by a licensed doctor who is the only one who is
> allowed to write a perscription. Doctor's are spending much of their
> time on such mundane cases that they cannot have the time to spend on
> the really tough cases. This results in higher cost, lower quality
> medical care.
Here in Georgia, the state legislature in 1992 "accidentally passed a law
lobbied for by Opthamologists prohibiting anyone but a licensed MD from
giving shots. They were trying to limit Optometrists from competing with
them.
They inadvertantly forbade nurses, EMTs, dentists, and tattoo artists
from "piercing the skin." (probably diabetics too). The Secretary of State's
office announced on June 30th that they wouldn't enforce it pending
reconsideration in the 1003 Legislature. In the hassle over the state flag
I heard nothing about repealing it.
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cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy
to the person who
doesn't have to do them.
Holt's law
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I suppose you're an expert in how brutal things were. You were there, I
suppose?
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:
>This is vague, so I am posting it in case anyone else knows more.
>
>I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification.
>Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the
>pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder
NASA and related agencies apparently used this same principles to create
the loudest reported reproduced sound. They used an "analog" electrically
controlled valve to control the flow of air across a horn throat. If I
remember correctly it was called a "modulated air blast transducer". There
were reports of the thing being able to produce 106 dB @ 80 Hz @ 10 mile
distance, communicate directly with fighter pilots @ 5000 ft, etc.
Regards,
Gordon.
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| 12sci.electronics |
In a previous article, jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) says:
>It is never wise to confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom"
>of racism and violent deragatory."
>
>It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial
>distinction.
I couldn't agree more. Canada has an anti-hate law which exists to punish
those who wilfully spread false propaganda (lies) for the purpose of
putting down another group. This is actually the law that David Irving
will hopefully be found guilty under due to his denial of the Holocaust.
It's too bad that this useless "Centre for Policy Research" isn't in Canada.
It'd set a nice precedent to how the law applies in Cyberspace.
Steve
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993May14.025626.14855@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes:
>There are treaties signed between Greece and Turkey which speak about a
>Moslem minority in Thraki and not of a Turkish minority in Thraki.
>The reason they talk about Moslems and not about Turks is that the majority
>of these people are not ethnik Turks. They are Pomaks and Gypsies.
Oboy, this is exciting. First you discuss your non-existent literature
tastes, then your fantasies, and now your choices of historical revisionism.
Are you related to 'Arromdians' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle?
The Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,'
which demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference
to 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the
existence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the
essential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger
Turkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the
three nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of
themselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized
according to the agreements?
It also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece
and the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world.
The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish
minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with
the Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition,
in 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091,
virtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and
other charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting
religious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek
governments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective
of the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although
the Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in
Greece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing
its religious leaders. Talk about democracy.
The government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic
convention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an
attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a
violation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called'
Greek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection
of historical monuments.
The government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new
churches in remote villages as a complementary step toward
Hellenizing the region.
The longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' in titles
and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts have
ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association,
the Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti
Turkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks
in Western Thrace. Such community associations had been
active until 1984. But they were first told to remove
the word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official
papers and then eventually close down. This is also the
final verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court.
Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating
the plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their
findings were published in a report titled
'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'
The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the
Turkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance,
the Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in
Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against
the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the
Lausanne Convention.
|1|
HELSINKI WATCH: "PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE"
Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the "Helsinki Watch" it is
stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced
with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being
implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end.
The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government
should grant social and political rights to all the members of
minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and
in addition they must recognize the existence of the "Turkish
Minority" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify
themselves as 'Turks'.
NEWSPOT, May 1992
|2|
GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS
The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek
state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish
minority with Turkey.
Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is
called "Greek" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the
minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with
the Greek newspaper "Ethnos" he said: "I am a Greek citizen of
Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western
Trace are also Turkish."
Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in
Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement
signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey
in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace.
Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr.
SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority,
Faikoglu said. "In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented
Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European
countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal
rights."
On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are
predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical
reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign
powers who are trying to create a rift between them by
cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was
will to improve relations with Greece.
NEWSPOT, January 1993
|3|
MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE.
Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in
Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a
Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS.
Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis)
have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in
an Athenian magazine.
Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly
magazine "ENA" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as
Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would
field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek
general election.
Bulev said in the interview: "I am not Greek, I am Macedonian."
Sideropoulos said in the article that "Greece should recognise
Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations
against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the
border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC
are falling."
The main charge against the two, according to the court
summons, was that "they have spread...intentionally false
information which might create unrest and fear among the
citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the
international interests of the country (Greece)."
The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a
Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to
1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely
concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state
if anyone declares themselves Macedonian.
In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned
Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian
villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in
1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5
million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000
in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper.
Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian
human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a
few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in
the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced
the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of
Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the
majority of ethnic Macedonians live.
Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in
which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent,
especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its
northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia.
Last year the State Department of the United States condemned
Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who
largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the
US government will do anything until the Presidential elections
are over.
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'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
: >I want to upgrade my system and was thinking of buying Adcom seperates.
: >I have heard from alot of people, though, that Adcom sounds great but
: >that the components are made cheaply and therefore won't last very long.
: >The time estimates I've heard are like only 3 or 4 years. Is this true?
I own the Adcom 60W power amp. As far as I'm concerned, there's no
amp which can touch it at the price range.
The build quality is very impressive and is far superior to other
amps in the price range. The whole amplifier is extremely solid
with massive heat sinks and very solid casing.
If you open the amp up, there are only very good quality components
in and the amp seems to be designed extremely well. Perfect
symmetry for both channels and TWO transformers - one for each
channel. The binding posts on the back of the amplifier are
virtually the same as those on the Classe model 70 ie. very good.
I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east
or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components
they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the
amplifiers sound so brilliant.
I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with
those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly
hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.
My last point, I recently auditioned the Adcom preamp something like
the 545 or something. It was two years old and it still sounded
like new.
If you build an amplifier decently, like the Adcom's, they will
sound brilliant and last a long time - period.
Just my thoughts, but then - I do own one of Adcom's amps.
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr13.093300.29529@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>
>>"Weight rebound" is a term used in the medical literature on
>>obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet
>>cycle. There are any number of terms which mean one thing to
>
>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that
>is shared only among you obesity researchers?
Not one, but two:
Obesity in Europe 88,
proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity
Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987
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>Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr20.035607.26095@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
>How about changing team names!
>Post your choices!
>
>Here I'll start:
>How about the
>Baltimore Baseblazers
>San Francisco Quakes
>Pittsburgh Sellouts>
>Shawn - Go Rangers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Note that if you get the external CD300 for your Centris or Q800 you will
miss out on the sound mixing feature unless you are willing to run a wire
from the motherboard sound input connector to the stereo output on the CD.
Connecting to the sound input port on the back of the computer won't do
unless you can live with mono.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy.
Find an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had
many more people than just Germans enamoured with him.
P.
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| 0alt.atheism |
I have a Northern Telecom disk array dated 1987 that has two 253MB drives
units in it and I cannot get it formatted. I set the SCSI ID on 1 and my
software recognizes the unit, but I cannot mount it or anything - do I have
to use BOTH drives in the array?
Any help with these drives or possibly newer software than what I'm using
(FWB HDT1.0 and 1.1) will be greatly appreciated!
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Phil G. Fraering writes:
> Mark Brader writes:
>> Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to
>> me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American
>> has an article about the "Inconstant Cosmos", with a photo of Neil
>> Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory.
>> Same person?
> No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to
> is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory.
You may change that to 100% certainty. But to clarify, Spacewatch is a
University of Arizona project using a telescope of the Steward Observatory
located on Kitt Peak. It is not associated with Kitt Peak National
Observatory, other than sharing a mountain.
| 14sci.space |
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Are the any Opel GT's out there? I'm wondering if there are enough to
starting a mail list...
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface
>>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better
>>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.
>
>They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been
>they only light 'em at junctions.
Sorry, by "they" I meant autobahns, not US freeways.
>
>I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and
>localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are
>essentially nonexistant.
>
>>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
>>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
>
>>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,
>>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe
>>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.
>
>I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary
>dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of
>interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be
>very optimistic in any car.
Well, I've driven in every state but Alaska, and drive about 60k per year.
I take long cross country trips any chance I get - its fun for me and I
can get reimbursment.
My job allows me to drive rather than fly. Not to labor the point, but
I've driven just about every freewayin the US, Germany, UK and France plus
some in Mexico, which was surpisingly good.
>
>I'm not sure what you call "quite severe" in terms of road deviations
>but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be
>considered so. They're hard to take at 85mph. That's not the only
>interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive
>frequently.
Yes, but as a %age of the total freeway in the US?
All you have to do in this case is mark the hazard, advising people to
slow to 85 or so.
>
>Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere
>has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such
Texas freeways are varied, sometimes a good surface. Mostly flat. But,
I5 in CA is comparable and hilly.
>wide-open spaces. It just ain't so.
>
Given the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 (e.g. 535)
most US freeways are just fine. The problem is other road users and
cops.
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
Craig
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr21.090638.6253@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> rodger-scoggin@ksc.nasa.gov (Rodger C. Scoggin) writes:
>In article <DZVB3B6w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) says:
>>
>>FURY OF MOTHER NATURE
>>
>>Man's contribution to environmental "pollution" are paltry compared to those
>>of nature. In her exceptional book TRASHING THE PLANET, former Atomic Energy
>>Commision Chairman Dr. Dixie Lee Ray notes based on the available data,
>
>Atomic Energy Commision - Hmm, they would say this.
>
I'm no defender of the AEC, but it is worth noting that it is unfair to tar
that organization with the decidedly minority scientific views of its
former chairperson and one term Washington governor, Dr. Dixie Lee Ray.
Dr. Ray's political agenda is well-known and documented. Likewise, her
lack of objectivity in analysing scientific data is well-known.
jsh
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr19.121925.14451@microware.com>, jejones@microware.com (James Jones) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu> writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez
|> >Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
|> >> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is
|> >>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something
|> >>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites.
|> >
|> >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these,
|> >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the
|> >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D
|>
|> Don't get too excited; Signetics, not Motorola, gave the 68070 its number.
|> The 68070, if I understand rightly, uses the 68000 instruction set, and has
|> an on-chip serial port and DMA. (It will run at up to 15 MHz--I'm typing
|> at a computer using a 68070 running at that rate, so I know that it can
|> do so--so I seriously doubt the clock rate that ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
|> claims.)
|>
|> James Jones
Just because the 68070 can run upto 15Mhz doesn't mean the CD-I
is running at that speed. I said -> I understand it is a 68070 running
at something like 7Mhz. I am not sure, but I think I read this a long
time ago.
Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for
making cool awesome games (read psygnosis).
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr14.200259.20419@microsoft.com>,
iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes...
(stephen) wrote:
>>Correction to my prior post, proper citation is:
>>
>> Isaiah 30:26 -- Moreover the light of the moon shall
>> be as the light of the sun, and the light of the
>> sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days,
>> in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of
>> his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
>
>So we have to wait for the sun to nova?
More along the lines of Hebrews 12:25-29, I reckon...
See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they
escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much
more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that
speaks from heaven:
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised,
saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also
heaven.
And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of
those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,
that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably
with reverence and godly fear:
For our God is a consuming fire.
Or 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10...
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord
Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from
the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be
admired in all them that believe (because our testimony
among you was believed) in that day.
Kinda gives Flaming a whole new meaning, I reckon.
- < > -
The impression I got from talking with Livingston was that the coming
of the Lord, power-wise, is going to be something that those who are
unprepared can't handle -- kinda like overloading a fuse -- due to
guilt. Somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as
we know it. LF suggests that God doesn't want that and has sent Koresh
as a reminder.
Seems that those who have been purified through salvation, or that those
protected by the Seals, will be the ones who survive. And no -- I don't
have a good idea yet what "being shielded by the seals" actually involves
or how exactly it relates to salvation. (Other than it involves the
marriage of the Bridegroom and the Bride... for those of you Biblical
well versed.)
- < > -
Me personally, I'm totally 100% dependent on God through Christ, so
if God wants me to understand, good. If not, also good. If God wants
to save me, or dispose of me, that's great either way. Being born in
the Spirit, means being part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2), so
who and what I was, matters little. * What's important is loving GOD *
Come Nova, Nuke, or Apocalypse -- who cares? Satan might even be able
to pull off a pretty convincing fake. Big deal. Not worth fearing or
worrying about though, not before:
-* The Greater Glory of GOD *-
Maybe Koresh is right, maybe he isn't, and it should be interesting to
see the new message (or prophecy). The tour of the Bible I've taken in
studying the passages he points to in the 3-02 text, has been most re-
warding. But the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears -- which
is not yet clear.
Much much more important is "Charity" -- which by definition *is* --
Love for GOD
(I hope Dear Reader, you've taken all this as an expression of faith,
and not a statement of mere fact. Seems many folks get real upset at
reminders. ;-)
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| stephen
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1r7h1r$o7p@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ascott@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Scott) writes:
>I would expect that CD-ROM software would not even need copy protection.
>As the program on a CD-ROM would not fit onto a hard-drive, and it is
>impossible for the average (and even not-so-average) user to write to a
>CD-ROM, copies of the software (that still work) could never be made.
>
>Hmmm.. now that I think about it.. with a creative TSR, maybe
>disk-swapping could be used to simulate files on a single disk. You
>would need a tonne of disks though.
>
There are many programs on CD-ROM that fit on a harddisk, not all software
is that big (but we're getting there :-)).
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| 12sci.electronics |
Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat
the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose
one game in the playoffs.
Geoff Filinuk
Flyers Fan
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5quI4.4CF@spk.hp.com> borowski@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
writes:
> Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote:
> : My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I
was
> : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how
to
> : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember
(snip!)
I haven't been following this, so I'm sorry if somebody already mentioned
this, but you could grab a lemon (I think potatoes work too, but I'm not
sure), a strip of copper, and a strip of zinc (I think you can get the
metal in a hardware store or hobby shop, maybe??). Stick the strips in
the lemon (so they don't touch!) and you'll get a measurable voltage (not
a lot, but, hey, it's a lemon :-) ). As I recall we had to hook
something like ten of these things to get an appreciable amount of
current, because of the mondo internal resistance, but if you just need a
demo you might get it to run a tiny fan or something! :-)
Mark S. Underwood
EE Student, University of Kentucky
Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab
(a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs)
E-Mail: msunde01@mik.uky.edu
| 12sci.electronics |
I am going to stop reading the homosexuality posts, at least for a
while, because of the repeated seemingly personal attacks on me via
post/e-mail(mainly e-mail). If anyone has a specific comment,
suggestion, and/or note that does not contain any name calling, etc.
that they would like for me to read, send it to me via e-mail. I
would like a copy of file mentioned by the moderator ragarding the
exergetical issue of it. I attempted to get it via ftp but was
unable.
In Christ's Love,
Bryan
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I am curious if anyone in net-land has spent any time at any of the L'Abri
houses throughout the world and what the experience was like, how it affected
you, etc. Especially interesting would be experiences at the original L'Abri
in Switzerland and personal interactions with Francis and/or Edith Schaeffer.
Tom Milligan
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Brad Templeton (brad@clarinet.com) wrote:
: It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow
: houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure.
:
: It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are
: good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses.
:
:
: What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you,
: at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that
: a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your
: cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the
: escrow houses.
Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable
all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver),
as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no
mention of "session keys" being the escrowed entities.
As the EFF noted, this raises further issues about the fruits of one
bust leading to incrimination in other areas.
But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much
worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper"
to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main
concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.)
And it may also become much worse if the ostensible security is
increased, thus allowing greater access to "central office" records by
the government (the conversations being encrypted, who will object to
letting the government have access to them, perhaps even automatically
archiving large fractions...). This was one of the main objections to
the S.266 proposal, that it would force telecom suppliers to provide
easy access for the government.
One the government has had access to months or years of your encrypted
conversations, now all it takes is one misstep, one violation that
gets them the paperwork needed to decrypt *all* of them!
Do we want anyone to have this kind of power?
-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime
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| 11sci.crypt |
emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
> BTW, the parallel universe approach implys an element of mind in the
> very physical reality of the universe.
This sounds interesting... but what exactly do you mean?
> eric
Nanci
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If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me
email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):
The fate of the country does not depend on what kind of paper you drop into
the ballot box once a year, but on what kind of man you drop from your
chamber into the street every morning.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Mar26.185117.21400@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>In article <33587@castle.ed.ac.uk> hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic) writes:
>compensation? Or are lesions localized to the SC too rare to be able
>to tell?
Extremely rare in humans. Usually so much else is involved you'd
just have a mess to sort out. Birds do all vision in the tectum,
don't they?
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| 13sci.med |
In article <mjones.735273896@fenway> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes:
>>>(Quick: name a
>>>light-hitting black outfielder or 1B who lasted 10+ years in the bigs.
>>>I bet you can name two dozen white ones.)
>>Otis Nixon.
Stole 300 bases. (Ok, he's still light-hitting, but baseball managers don't
think so, they think he, like Omar Moreno before him, is a perfect leadoff
man. Awesome defense.)
>>Darnell Coles
He's still around because of his 1986, when he hit 20 HR.
>>Henry Cotto
Hasn't played 10+ years in the bigs. Wasn't a full-time major-leaguer
until 1988.
>Manny Mota.
Consistent .300 hitter.
>Billy Hatcher
We'll see if he's still around in 1994 for his tenth year.
>Herm Winningham.
Same goes for Herm.
>Lonnie Smith (not light hitting, but a horror in the field)
Doesn't count then.
>Gary Redus
Redus is hardly light-hitting, plus he stole 300 bases. Close to
800 OPS career against LHP.
>Dion James
We'll see if he's still around in 1995 to qualify.
>Daryl Boston
Slugged .416 to .440 for three straight years in one of the worst hitters'
parks in the NL. He's going to be one of Colorado's better players this
year. Plus, to make ten you have to count all the time he spent in Denver
and Buffalo and Hawaii while with the White Sox.
>Vince Coleman (yeah, he's finally started to have a decent OBP)
Coleman, assuming he makes it to 1994, was never perceived as being
weak offensively, though of course he was. Led NL in SB his first six
years in the majors.
>Cecil Espy
We'll see if he's still around in 1997.
>Willie Wilson
Wilson has always been overrated, but hit .300 five times in a six-year
stretch and led the league in triples five times. But we can count him
if he's still playing in 1994, though it'll be because he's Otis Nixon
deluxe with slightly worse defense.
>Gary Pettis
Okay, if he's in the league this year, he can count, though he's also
in the majors because of Otis Nixon syndrome.
>Milt Thompson
He's not spectacular, but he's neither light-hitting nor a ten-year man.
>Gary Varsho
Halfway there, and unlikely to make it 3/4 of the way there.
>OK, I admit to taking a quick browse through the Major League Handbook, but
>only after the first 7 or 8. Oh, and there's the all-time light-hitting
>black outfielder: Lou Brock. Look it up. And Curt Flood. Cesar Geronimo.
>Cesar Cedeno.
Brock suffered from Otis Nixon disease, but he wasn't perceived as
light-hitting. Neither was Curt Flood. Cesar Cedeno was *not* light-
hitting.
>>Note: These guys may not have reached 10 years yet, but they've got
>>to be close.
>
>Likewise for my list. Oh, and a prediction: Milt Cuyler.
He'll have to steal a lot more bases.
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the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said:
>>I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report?
>>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!)
>Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out
>from under oversized aqua helmets screams "Little League" in every fibre of
>my being...
Hmm, it seems the Little Leaguers didn't do too badly against Hershiser,
Strawberry, E. Davis, and the rest of the Dodgers yesterday ... :-)
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erics@infoserv.com
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Actually they synth used in "JUMP" was an Oberheim. Watch the video.......
Kevin
| 6misc.forsale |
My friend has a Macintosh IIfx on which he is running System 6.0.7 (not enough
memory yet to run Sys7 adequately), and he noticed that when he tries to use
Multifinder on this machine, the machine will beep every few seconds
incessantly, nonstop.
Now, this friend has a tendency to "install" things on his machine rather
haphazardly, but he *did* rebuild his System from scratch and it still occurs.
Does this problem sound familiar at all to anyone? For all I know the problem
is caused by something really obscure but if this is a known simple thing
(yeah, right...) that someone is familiar with (like "System 6.0.7 Multifinder
doesn't run on a Mac IIfx"), or if someone here knows what he should be looking
for, please send e-mail either to me or to him (smh@vaxf.acdnj.itt.com).
Thanx in advance.
--
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Digging in the dirt, find the places I got hurt Rich Rosen
Open up the places I got hurt..." rlr@panix.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1r0rslINNnv2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:
>
>I'm running Linux on an 80486 EISA system, and I'm having what I think are
>hardware problems. It could be software, but I don't see why I'd be the
>only one having trouble. I'd like some advice on how best to debug this.
>
>The symptom: when I try to build gcc, I get unpredictable and unrepeatable
>results. Sometimes a .o file is not in valid a.out format. Recompiling the
>file gives me a valid binary. Sometimes the compiler aborts or dumps core,
>but works fine when run again with the same input. Compiling the same
>source files with the same arguments gives slight differences in a few
>object files. (Note that Linux, unlike many other systems, does not put
>timestamps in object files so compiling twice should give bit-identical
>results.)
>
>I also have occasional filesystem corruption on my SCSI drive, but that
>could be caused by using development software. It could also be related to
>my problems compiling. The compile problems are not caused by disk
>problems: I get the same results whether I do my work on an IDE or SCSI
>disk.
>
>I've set the memory speed and cache write speed to the recommended values.
Recommended for what, DOS? That is a junk.
>
>I suspect the external cache, but I have no real evidence for this.
>
>The motherboard is a NICE Super-EISA with 256 KB write-back cache and a DX/2
>66 Mhz processor.
>
>What I'm looking for:
>
> . A system test program to run under DOS or Linux
Linux + gcc. Fire up gcc to compile libc and kernel at the
same time running X11R5.
>
> . Suggestions about the cause of the problem
Bad memory, bad motherboard, bad cache.
>
> . Suggestions about how to debug the problem
>
change wait state of RAM.
turn off turbo.
change bus speed
swap RAM.
H.J.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Hi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the
Oak card with 1 M of RAM.
This would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated
Maybe I should have just gotten a more well know card.
thanks
seth@acpub.duke.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
A relative of mine was recently diagnosed with colon cancer. I would like
to know the best source of survival statistics for this disease when
discovered at its various stages.
I would prefer to be directed to a recent source of this data, rather than
receive the data itself.
Thank you,
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* Barry Rein
*
* brein@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
*
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* No clever comment.
*
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| 13sci.med |
I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find
that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way
to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me?
I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting
to this group.
Thanks in advance,
--Bill
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
(This is a continuation of an earlier post)
mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:
>For those Christians who *do* think that *some* parts of Leviticus can
>be "law" for Christians (while others are not even to be thought about)
>it is incumbent on you *in every case, handled on its own merits* to
>determine why you "pick" one and ignore another. I frankly think the
>whole effort misguided. Reread Paul: "No doubt I am free to do anything."
>But Christians have a criterion to use for making our judgments on this,
>the Great Commandment of love for God and neighbor. If you cannot go
>through Leviticus and decide each "command" there on that basis, then
>your own arbitrary selection from it is simply idiosyncracy. In this
>context, it is remarkably offensive to say:
>
>>I notice that the verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows the
>>verse prohibiting what appears to be homosexual intercourse.
(I am sorry you found this offensive. It was not my intent to offend. I was
leading up to another point, which I discuss in more detail below.)
>Well, la-ti-da. So what? This is almost as slimey an argument as the
>one that homosexuality == rape. I know of no one who argues seriously
>(though one can always find jokers) in "defense" of bestiality. It is
>absolutely irrelevant and incomparable to the issues gay Christians *do*
>raise (which concern sexual activity within committed, consensual human
>adult realtionships), so that your bringing it up is no more relevant
>than the laws of kashrut. If you cannot address the actual issues, you
>are being bloody dishonest in trailing this red herring in front of the
>world. If *you* want to address bestiality, that is YOUR business, not
>mine. And attempting to torpedo a serious issue by using what is in
>our culture a ridiculous joke shows that you have no interest in hearing
>us as human beings. You want to dismiss us, and use the sleaziest means
>you can think of to do so.
I can see you have a revulsion for bestiality that far exceeds my distaste for
homosexuality. Certainly if I spoke about homosexuality the way you speak of
bestiality, nobody would have any trouble labelling me a homophobe. Let me ask
this gently: why are you so judgemental of other people's sexual preferences?
What happened to "No doubt I am free to do anything"? I think you have a
serious double standard here. When you describe a comparison between
homosexuality and bestiality as "slimey" and "sleazy", you are making an
implicit judgement that bestiality is perverted, sinful, disgusting,
unnatural--in short, all the things that society once thought about
homosexuality. Not all people share your view. You claim not to know any
sincere zoophiles, but this does not mean that they do not exist. They even
have their own newsgroup: alt.sex.bestiality. Are you going to accuse them
all of being mere "jokers"?
I notice you deleted the main point of my comment: the fact that the only
Biblical condemnations of bestiality occur in connection with the Levitical
prohibitions against homosexuality. While there are some New Testament
passages that can arguably be taken as condemning homosexuality, there are none
that condemn bestiality. One of your main points seems to be that Christian
homosexuality is acceptable due to the lack of any "clear" New Testament
statements against it; if this is a valid argument, then should not Christian
zoophilia be made that much more acceptable by the fact that the New Testament
makes no reference, clear or unclear, to the subject at all?
I am quite serious here. If I am going to accept homosexuality as Biblically
acceptable on the basis of your arguments, then I am going to be fair and apply
the same standards to everyone else's declared sexual preferences as well. If
the arguments you make for homosexuality can be applied to other sexual
preferences as well, I'm going to apply them and see what comes up. I'm not
trying to "torpedo a serious issue" by using what you label "a ridiculous
joke". I posted a question about how we should interpret Biblical guidelines
for Christian sexuality, and I don't think such a question is "irrelevant" in a
group called "soc.religion.christian". The Bible discusses homosexuality and
bestiality together in the same context, and therefore I feel I have a good
precedent for doing the same.
>Jesus and Paul both expound, very explictly and in considerable length,
>the central linch-pin of Christian moral thought: we are required to
>love one another, and ALL else depends on that. Gay and lesbian Christ-
>ians challenge you to address the issue on those terms -- and all we get
>in return are cheap debate tricks attempting to side-track the issues.
I don't know whether it makes any difference, but for the record, this is not a
side issue for me. I believe loving one another includes not encouraging
people to defile themselves, therefore it is of high importance to determine
whether God regards certain sexual acts as defiling. I can read in the New
Testament that "God has joined together" heterosexual couples, and that the
marriage bed is undefiled. I can read in the Old Testament that homosexual
intercourse and bestiality defile a person whether or not that person is under
the Law. If gay Christians can validly put aside the Old Testament standards
of defilement, then I want to know so that I can fairly apply it to all the
sexual practices that defiled a person in the old days. I don't think it's
right to take just bits and pieces of the Law and try and apply them to
Christians today, e.g. bestiality still defiles you but homosexuality doesn't.
That was pretty much what you said earlier, right? You used different
examples, but I think you said essentially the same thing about it being wrong
to apply only certain parts of the Law to Christians.
>Christians, no doubt very sincere ones, keep showing up here and in every
>corner of USENET and the world, and ALL they ever do is spout these same
>old verses (which they obviously have never thought about, maybe never
>even read), in TOTAL ignorance of the issues raised, slandering us with
>the vilest charges of child abuse or whatever their perfervid minds can
>manage to conjure up, tossing out red herrings with (they suppose) great
>emotional force to cause readers to dismiss our witness without even
>taking the trouble to find out what it is.
It was not my intent to stir up such an emotional reaction. I personally don't
get all that upset discussing alternatives to the monogamous heterosexual
orientation; I'm afraid I naively assumed that others would have a similar
attitude. Please note that I have never intended to equate homosexuality with
child abuse. I have merely noted that, for all the lack of "clear" NT
condemnation of homosexuality, there is an even greater lack of NT condemnation
(or even mention) of bestiality, a practice which a number of people (e.g. on
alt.sex.bestiality) consider to be their true sexual orientation.
>Such behavior should shame anyone who claims to have seen Truth in Christ.
>WHY, for God's precious sake, do you people quote irrelevant verses to
>condemn people you don't know and won't even take the trouble to LISTEN
>to BEFORE you start your condemnations? Is that loving your neighbor?
>God forbid! Is THAT how you obey the repeated commands to NOT judge or
>condemn others? Christ and Paul spend ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more time in
>insisting on this than the half-dozen obscure words in Paul that you are
>SO bloody ready to take as license to do what God tells you NOT to do.
>
>Why, for God's sake?
> [quote from John 3:17ff omitted for brevity]
This is an excellent question, and I pray that you will not treat it as a mere
rhetorical question, but will genuinely seek to discover and understand the
answer. I recommend you begin with a little introspection into why you
yourself have much the same attitude towards zoophilia. Why do you find
bestiality so repugnant that you regard it as slanderous to even mention in
connection with other alternative sexual orientations? Why do you not apply
all the same verses about love and tolerance to zoophiles the way you apply
them to homosexuals?
Is it because you automatically experience a subjective feeling of revulsion at
the thought? A lot of people have the same experience at the thought of
homosexual intercourse. Is it because you regard the practice as socially
unacceptable? A lot of people regard homosexuality as socially unacceptable.
Do you feel that it violates the traditional Judeo-Christian standard of sexual
morality? Many people feel that homosexuality does. Do you feel the Bible
condemns it? Many people think the Bible says more to condemn homosexuality
than it does to condemn bestiality. Why then do you think comparing bestiality
with homosexuality is insulting to homosexuality? If you can honestly answer
this question, you will have come a long way towards understanding why many
people feel the same way about homosexuality as you feel about bestiality.
Also please note that I am not in any sense condemning *people*. I am merely
pointing out that when I read the Bible I see certain sexual *practices* that
the Bible appears to condemn, e.g. sex outside of marriage. When I say I think
adultery and pre-marital sex are sinful, do you take that as me failing to love
my neighbor? When you treat bestiality as something disgusting and
unmentionable, are you disobeying "repeated orders not to judge or condemn
others"? When you say other Christians are guilty of sinning by condemning you
and judging you, are you by that accusation making yourself guilty of the same
offense? Or are you and I both simply taking note about *practices* the Bible
brands as sinful, and leaving the judgement of the *people* up to God?
>For long ages, we (many of us) have been confused by evil counsel from
>evil men and told that if we came to the light we would be shamed and
>rejected. Some of us despaired and took to courses that probably *do*
>show a sinful shunning of God's light. Blessed are those whose spirits
>have been crushed by the self-righteous; they shall be justified.
>
>However, we have seen the Truth, and the Truth is the light of humanity;
>and we now know that it is not WE who fear the light, but our enemies who
>fear the light of our witness and will do everything they can to shadow
>it with the darkness of false witness against us.
>--
>Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
>mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
> - or - you shall die like men, and fall
>mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
I'm not sure what you mean by the above two paragraphs. If you mean that Jesus
is the Truth, and that He accepts sinners, and does not reject them, then I
agree. If we were not sinners, then we would not *need* a Savior. Our
salvation in Christ, however, does not mean that sin is now irrelevant for us,
and we can now do whatever we want. Nor does Christ's grace mean that those
who refer to sin as "sin" are being judgemental or intolerant. I am speaking
in general terms here, not specifically about homosexuality. If the Bible
calls something "sin", then it is not unreasonable for Christians to call it
sin too.
As applied to Christian homosexuality, I think the only definitive authority on
Christian sexuality is the Bible. If you make a list of everything the Bible
says on the subject of homosexual intercourse, I think you will find that every
verse on the list is negative and condemning at worst, and "unclear" at best.
The most pro-gay statement you could make about the list is that there is some
dispute about the New Testament verses which many people interpret as
condemning homosexual intercourse. That is, from a gay perspective, the most
positive thing you can say about the Bible's treatment of homosexuality is that
some verses fail to clearly condemn it. That's it. Jesus declared all foods
clean, the council at Jerusalem declared that Gentiles were not required to
keep the ritual Law, but nobody ever reclassified homosexual intercourse from
being an abomination deserving of death to being an accepted Christian
practice. You have verses describing homosexual intercourse as an abomination
that defiles both Jews under the Law and Gentiles not under the Law, and you
have some verses which are at best "not clear" but which some people believe
*are* clear in their condemnation of homosexual behavior, and that's the sum
total of what the Bible says about same-sex intercourse.
I can appreciate (from personal experience) your desire to have everything
simple, cut-and-dried, black-and-white, what-I-want- is-ok, and
those-who-oppose-me-are-wicked. However, I do not think the Bible makes your
case as definitively as you would like it to. In fact, I don't believe it says
anything positive about your case at all. Yes, I know the verses about loving
one another, and not judging one another, but that's not really the issue, is
it? You know and admit that there are still things that are sinful for
Christians to do, since you say it is wrong for Christians to condemn you.
Therefore, the issue is whether the Bible says homosexual intercourse is a sin.
Even if you do challenge the clarity of the New Testament verses, you are still
left with the fact that the only thing the Bible does say clearly about
homosexual intercourse is that it is an abomination that defiles both those who
are under the law and those who are not.
- Mark
[Actually I don't think the reaction to the comparision with
bestiality is based on bestialophobia. I think what he regards as
slimey is the rhetorical approach of connecting homosexuality and
bestiality. Most people who accept homosexuality take a radical
approach to the Law. They regard all of Lev as not binding on
Christians. The argument is that there's no way in the text to
separate bestiality, homosexuality, and wearing mixed fabrics. This
does not mean that such people have no limits on their conduct, nor
does it mean that they accept bestiality. It simply means that their
sexual ethics does not come from the Law, and particularly not from
Lev. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In <C4v13w.Dup@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <bob1.733696161@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>>In <C4ruo8.77r@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>> Norway (where you appear to be posting from) is just such a
>>> place, although it has always escaped my understanding just
>>> what the appeal, to allegedly rational people, of such a
>>> scheme might be. What gives King Olav V (or whoever it is
>>> now - my atlas is from 1987) the right to any special legal
>>> status or title based on a mere accident of birth?
>>
>>To begin with, it's quite inexpensive compared to here, what with our
>>having six former presidents still alive, drawing pensions, expense
>>accounts, and secret service protection.
> Maybe so, but they were, after all, President. In the corporate
> world it's SOP for retiring senior executives to be given nice
> pensions, etc. The point is that they performed a service and
> this is part of the compensation package. The only "service"
> royals have to perform for their free ride is being born.
We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing.
>---peter
>PS - . . . which is not to say that some of our presidents have
> not provided a service for the country too dissimilar from what
> occurs when a bull "services" a cow (for those of you familiar
> with cattle breeding).
>
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Greetings all,
Can anyone let me know status of UK law about riding motorcycles.
I used to ride one about 12 years ago and never took my DOT test ( One
of a whole list of things I wished I had done when I was young),but I have passed
my car driving test. I now travel from Littlehampton to Brighton every day
and I'm getting PISSED off with the traffic/road works. I thinking about getting
a 100cc bike ( Don't Laugh ) just to get "Streetwise" and to take my test, then
to get a bigger one ( 400 to 600 cc ).
Now I have been told I don't have to do the CBT but what will I have
to do to get a full licence ?
Thanks in advanced
Leigh
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* Leigh Dodd *
* Engineering and Applied Science (EaPS) *
* University of Sussex, *
* Brighton BN1 9QH, UK *
* phone: 44 273 606755 Ext. 2616 *
* fax: 44 273 678399 *
* *
* JANET: leighd@uk.ac.susx.eaps *
* INTERNET: leighd@eaps.susx.ac.uk *
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C6vnMv.9G6@rjck.uucp> rob@rjck.uucp (Robert J.C. Kyanko) writes:
I need help in creating my 4x4 perspective matrix. I'd like to use this for
transforming x, y, z, w in some texture mapping code I got from Graphics Gems
I. I have many books which talk about this, but none of them in simple plain
english. If you have Graphics Gems I, I'm talking about page 678.
I'd like to have a perspective matrix that handles different field-of-views
and aspect of course. Thank's for your help.
ca2 = cos(alpha / 2) Horizontal
sa2 = sin(alpha / 2)
cb2 = cos(beta / 2) Vertical
sb2 = sin(beta 7 2)
Zf = Far clipping value
Zn = Near clipping value
Matrix:
[[ca2/sa2 0 0 0]
[0 cb2/sb2 0 0]
[0 0 Zf/(Zf-Zn) 1]
[0 0 -Zn*Zf/(Zf-Zn) 0]]
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____ ___ Geir Atle Storhaug
/ ____/\ (__ Geir.A.Storhaug@vm.ffi.no
\___// \___) Phone: +47 63 807658 (office) +47 63 838987 (home)
| 1comp.graphics |
My girlfriend is a smoker. She has been addicted to it for quite some time.
She has been tried a couple of times, but then always get back to it. Her
background is non-Christian, but she's interested in Christianity. I'm a
Christian and non-smoker.
I would like to collect any personal stories from Christians who managed to
quit. I hope that this will encourage her to keep on trying. If anybody ever
had a similar problem or knows a good book on it, pls reply by email.
I appreciate any kinds of helps. Thanks a lot.
=======================================================================
Simon Darjadi Wibowo Telp : (65)7726863
Dept. of EE, Nat'l Univ. Of S'pore Fax : (65)7773117
Singapore 0511 Internet : eledw@nuscc.nus.sg
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr21.045548.17418@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Arnold Schwarzenweisengreenbluenbraunenburger)
says:
>
>Y'know, when the right to bear arms was "invented", all we had to worry
>about was the shotgun and pistol. Now, we have to worry about drive-bys
>with Uzis sparaying the entire neighborhood with bullets.
>
>Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever.
Quite so. All automobiles should be banned immediately.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>Unless, of course, the problem is that homosexuality is a form
>of mental disorder, caused by childhood sexual abuse, as a number of
>recent works suggest.
Which number is that? Zero?
Please present "a number" of authoritative works which "suggest"
that "homosexuality is a form of mental disorder, caused by
childhood sexual abuse."
Don't present your own biased conclusions, based on a collage
of tidbits you've extracted from a few hours' research, as the
conclusions of people who study mental disease and sexual abuse
professionally.
--
Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1ri5pk$2f0@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>Can someone elaborate a little on what this "Libertarian" movement is? I
>am not going to draw conclusions from a small sample, but so far I
>recall two self-described "Libertarians" posting here. Both seems to be:
>
>1) Incredibly ignorant.
>2) Incredibly arrogant.
>3) All they want is to get people angry.
>4) Posses a lousy sense of humor.
>5) write incoherently and jump from topic to topic without any logical
> connection between topics.
>6) Describe themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable, although everything
> in their posters points to the opposite.
>7) Very childish.
>
>Is this some campaign to smear this Libertarian party or what?
Wow, hang on a second. The libertarian party stands for personal freedom,
lassez-faire economics and minimal government. Whoever is describing the
self as a Libertarian (maybe you were refering to the posters who call
themselves civil libertarians) are not talking at all about Libertarian
philosophy.
-Adam Schwartz
(libertarian)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says:
>
>Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end,
>aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have
>the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as
>false?
>
If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,
then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does
the authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself
authoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find
authority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short,
the mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians,
i.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the
authority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.)
--
==============================================================================
Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but
aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis
==============================================================================
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Years ago I grabbed the following from the net - maybe from this
newsgroup. Does anyone know of a source for whether this is an
accurate quote? Thanks! Bartletts leaves out the homosexual lines,
but they were one of the groups the Nazis tried to exterminate.
===
In Germany, they first came for the communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a homosexual.
Then they came for the catholics, and I didn't speak up
because I was a protestant.
Then they came for me ---
but by that time there was no one left to speak up.
-- Pastor Martin Neimoller
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Since Image Writer LQ was discontinued, there is no Apple Talk
printer with 11"*15" continous paper printer.
I would like to know is there are any possibility to connect
an IBM compatible printer to an Apple Talk net directly (or
with a Net Serial hardware), and if I need any other software
to do it.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5HvJx.DJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(David L. Berk) writes:
> I recently purchased a Centris 610 and a Mirror Technologies 19 inch
> Mono monitor. I'm wondering if it is OK to set the monitor on top
> of the CPU. The monitor weighs 54 lbs.
>
> I've called Apple. The person I spoke with was not sure but was
> going to find out and call me back in a couple of days. That was
> over a week ago....
>
> If anybody knows, please respond via email as I don't always have time
> to read this group. Thanks.
>
> David Berk
> d-berk@uiuc.edu
Yea, thanks to lots of good information in this newsgroup, I was prepared
for lots of details (even shipping time ... got my C610 8/230/CD in 5 weeks).
I guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of detail in the written
specs and documentation. The case load spec is an example -- the setup
section says Apple 14" and 16" monitors can go on top, but 21" and other
big ones can't. Why couldn't they publish a maximum load?
Now if I can figure out if there's any hope using the "partition" button
on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?),
then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more
securly. The "getting more information" section of the manual suggested
trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net.
--
Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550
1101 East University Avenue Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009
Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) writes:
>"In Mammon We Trust"
>"Hey, this is just a piece of paper!"
>"Spend Me Quickly"
"This is your god" (from John Carpenter's "They Live," natch)
--Steve "The Lurking Horror" Stelter
sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
| 0alt.atheism |
for those who live near or plan to vacation in New Hampshire
and Maine, I am posting the basic info of how to
apply for a LTC (CCW) in those states for non-residents.
post will be in rec.guns
-J. Case Kim
kim39@husc.harvard.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed:
: In article <philC5n6D5.MK3@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced ....
: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism.
Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the
armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the
American public at that time?
--
Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama
"Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills." -- Lazarus Long
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.36.1993.14391@athos.rutgers.edu> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:
>Firstly, I am an atheist. . . .
(Atheist drivel deleted . . .)
Untitled
========
A seed is such a miraculous thing,
It can sit on a shelf forever.
But how it knows what to do, when it's stuck in the ground,
Is what makes it so clever.
It draws nutrients from the soil through it's roots,
And gathers its force from the sun
It puts forth a whole lot of blossoms and fruit,
Then recedes itself when it is done.
Who programmed the seed to know just what to do?
And who put the sun in the sky?
And who put the food in the dirt for the roots?
And who told the bees to come by?
And who makes the water to fall from above,
To refresh and make everything pure?
Perhaps all of this is a product of love,
And perhaps it happened by chance.
Yeah, sure.
-Johnny Hart, cartoonist for _B.C._
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A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that,
cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down,
| we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
Yamanari,
---Hey isn't it funny how betas have bugs in them....
Hey...do me a favor and don't put up stupid posts.
Bob
Clarkson University, Potsdam NY - campbers@craft.clarkson.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) wrote:
> Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell.
>ME: "Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"
>HIM: "I don't believe in Heaven."
>ME: "So are you going there?"
>HIM: "If there was a heaven, I would."
>ME: "But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"
>HIM: "No."
> The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven,
>there's no way you're going to be in it.
Hmmm... people in the americas before the time of Christ, children who
die young, etc. ?
> Of course, the next step is, "I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I
>be there?" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God.
But of course, the popular conception of hell (correct or incorrect) is
something akin to eternal perpetuation of consciousness, at the very least.
>Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never
>see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell.
I think a good number of atheists believe there is nothing beyond
bodily death, but it is simply an abuse of language to say they believe
they're going to hell. They believe they're going to _die_. Understand
that you've turned Hell into a verb. Using the same logic, it also follows
that all animals are 'going to Hell.' Are you sure this is what you want
to say? (presumably animals don't have the opportunity to get to heaven,
but this still doesn't change the fact that they're going to Hell (die
a final death))
I don't claim to know whether or not there is an afterlife of _some_
sort, but if Hell is as you described (final death, and
not eternal perpetuation of consciousness) it will be true that
there will never be a moment when I am aware of my non-existence.
(assuming I 'go to Hell' and not to Heaven) In other words, I'll
never know I'm dead. Hmmm...
> Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal,
Ever hear people say of a loved one who was ill, and has died:
"At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Heaven now." ?
Consider the following statement:
"At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Hell now."
The above statement sounds odd, but according to your definition of Hell,
it would be a true statement. The person in Hell would not be suffering.
Granted, they wouldn't be *anything* (wouldn't be having any
conscious experience whatsoever).
You say Hell (death) is eternal. However, this loses its meaning
to a dead person. And to me, it seems that the threat of some sort
of eternal punishment only makes sense/has force if one expects to
be conscious throughout this eternity.
Many atheists believe that the thirst for an afterlife is simply the
product of propaganda ("Friend, do you want the FREE gift of e-ternal life?"
It's my understanding that the early jews did not believe in an afterlife.
Can anyone back me up on this?) combined with the survival instinct all
animals share. The difference is we have consciousness, and once we get the
idea of eternal life drilled into our brains, we then desire a sort of
super-survival.
>and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters.
That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and
an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King,
I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to
convert Eskimos to Christianity in the book _The Illusion of Immortality_
by Corliss Lamont. The missionary started to speak about Heaven.
"Are there seals in heaven? Will we be able to go hunting?" asked an
Eskimo. The missionary said no. The group of Eskimos then said something
to the effect of, "Well what good is your Heaven if there's no hunting?
Scram." I highly recommend the above book (IOI) to anyone who wants an
account of the other side of the immortality coin (that there is no
immortality).
>Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
>Oakland University, Rochester, MI
>atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
>Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
Pax,
Dana
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Anyone who knows this answer off-hand, please answer me by e-mail
quickly ;).
There is a pair of jumpers on one side, and a set of 3 or 4 on the
other end. One is labeled, sync , and one CD, and E0 E1 E2.
Whhich do I need to short, or disconnect to get drive to operate
in slave mode? Give me a label or "geographic
label, as they have quite a few jumpers, and I don't wanna try the
trial and error method...
I am using IDE. I think this drive is SCSI compatible too.
Jimmy
jimmyhua@usc.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
When will I be able to call my favorite mail order software shop and buy
NT?
Jeff Dragovich
dragovic@cevax.ce.uiuc.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>
> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present
They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen
would be shot at.
>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions.
They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
--
_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
/ The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
/ is that it ends. -- Rousseau
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.171811.25933@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
>In article <66758@mimsy.umd.edu> davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) writes:
>>I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that
>>they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was
>>worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have
>>also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.
>
>I've read in this group that Geico has funded the purchasing of radar
>guns by police depts (I'm not sure where).
Geico has purchased radar guns in several states, I know they have done
it here in CT.
I have also heard horror stories about people that have been insured by Geico
for years and then had 1 accident and were immediately dropped. And once
you've been dropped by any insruance company you become labled a high
risk, and end up forking out 3 or 4 times what you should be for insurance.
My suggestion, stay where you are, or shop around but STAY AWAY from Geico!
Jeff
| 7rec.autos |
I have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal
with 1200 external hyess modem
amber screens 101 keyboard,cable
make an offer
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| 6misc.forsale |
[Someone quoted the following. I've removed the name because it's not
clear which name goes with which level of quote. --clh]
> ... And to Holy Mary, Virgin is invariably added, for that Holy Woman
> remains undefiled.
> -- St. Epiphanus of Salamis, "Panacea against all heresies",
> between A.D. 374-377.
> ... For the Lord Jesus would not have chosen
> to be born of a virgin if He had judged that she would be so incontinent
> as to taint the birthplace of the Body of the Lord, home of the Eternal
> King, with the seed of human intercourse. ...
> -- Pope St. Siricius, Letter to Anysius, Bishop of
> Thessalonica, A.D. 392
On the basis of these examples I would say that Joe Moore was only wrong
in claiming Augustine as a prime mover of the sin=sex view. These quotes
clearly equate sexuality with defilement and incontinance, even within
the marriage relationship (else they would not apply to Mary after her marriage
to Joseph).
So Joe's assignment of the reasoning behind the concept of the perpetual
virginity of Mary does seem to be supported by these quotes.
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