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Jerryl Payne writes:
>To sublimate a culture for the sake of what you perceive as unity seems
>antithetical to the very message of inclusion that you preach.
I agree, with the exception that I don't preach ignoring our cultures.
> The body as a whole must be unified. The question is, shall we be a
>melting pot, boiling ourselves down to one "legitimate" expression, or
>shall we be more like a stew, maintaining the textural integrity of the
>expressed diversity while upholding the unity of thought? It released
>all churches from the use of the Latin Mass (unity) to allow them to
>speak to the people in the common language (diversity).
In Revelation 2-3, we see that in the first century church, there was one
congregation in each major city. So there was one unified church. Now in
each city, there were people of different cultures. Naturally, they
formed something of a stew, with different members having different
heritages. Nevertheless, they were ONE body. They met together,
sometimes as smaller groups in their homes and sometimes in bigger groups
in places such as the temple courts.
Now in a particular city, then and now, you will find that there is a
common language associated with that region. For instance, in Rome, Latin
was spoken. In the United States today, English is spoken. So it would
make sense that congregations in different cities would speak the common
language and not necessarily Latin.
Naturally, you would expect the lead evangelist to preach in the common
language. In the first century church, there were probably many people
in the congregation who could speak a given tongue to translate the
message for people of foreign ethnic groups. Today, however, you don't
see people speaking in tongues to translate sermons, even in so-called
Pentacostal churches. We do have a modern day equivalent though --
bi-lingual speakers. Now in the unified church of which I am a member -
sometimes called the International Churches of Christ, when we all meet
together on Sundays, there are headphones on people who don't speak
English from which they hear an ongoing translation of the sermon in their
native tongue. Neat idea, huh?
Now, we meet in different size groups in a random sort of way on Sundays,
so sometimes there will be a meeting of only Haitians or of Spanish-
speaking people, for example, who will hear an evangelist preach in their
native language. In addition, we meet in small groups a couple of times
during the week for Bible discussion groups and Devotionals. So someone
who speaks a different language will almost always be with people who also
speak his language (assuming the congregation is large enough) for those
meetings.
As for the people who speak the common language, they can keep in touch
with their culture, if they want, but they will also have equally deep
friendships among their church relationships with people of many various
nationalities.
>Has the purpose of the church been thwarted by this action?
The action of letting Catholics worship in a native language instead of
Latin? Indeed not! See my second paragraph in response to the second
clipping of your article.
However, if you mean the action of forming denominations based on a
culture, then the purpose of the church has been indeed thwarted.
I'll assume the second possiblility when answering your next clipping.
>Rather I believe it has been enhanced, for Paul exhorts us to become as
>one of them that we might reach them. Thus, if a person or group of
>people feel more comfortable "among their own", shall we not give them a
>place where they can feel comfortable [with their heritage] and still
>l[ove God?] {[my guess - Aaron]}
You have met some needs of people, certainly, by helping them to be proud
of their cultural heritages when most denominations didn't. Yet you have
largely isolated yourselves from having quality "Christian" friendships
outside your nationality (and your denomination).
We shall certainly give people a place to feel comfortable with their
heritage. However, we will do this in a way that does not destroy church
unity, but rather encourages friendships among all disciples.
>This is the approach of some of the groups that you cite.
It sounds like these groups have wonderful intentions, but they are going
about things in the wrong way. And names like the African Methodist
Episcopal Church still make me cringe, although not as much as before.
I understand that there was more racism in the past that caused such
groups to be formed, but now we should try to unite. I know that it's
hard for many people on this newsgroup to imagine there being only one
body of people on earth, but it is quite possible, and I am working to
make it happen. However, what might be a smaller step towards unity,
would be taking the word "African" out of your denomination's name. Then
perhaps someday a long time off, you can also remove the "Methodist
Episcopal" part also, and simply be part of "the Church".
>With regard to inclusivity, I note tht your .sig emits from MIT. As you
>know, the 'tute is religiously and culturally diversified, and not
>everyone who comes there is immediately comfortable with English, much
>less American culture. What shall be the conduct of the campus churches
>then: shall there be one church, for the sake of unity? Or shall the
>organizations like KCF be useful in helping students new to America make
>the transition in culture, language, and thought?
There shall be one church, for the sake of unity, AND it shall be useful
in helping students new to America make the transition in culture,
language, and thought. We shouldn't make a new denomination to try to
solve problems. The whole denominational mindset only causes more
problems, sadly.
>In the AME church, we retain African cutlure at the root of our
>expression, but we are by no means exclusive. Since you live in
>Cambridge, I invite you to visit the local assembly there:
Thank you for the invitation. That shows me that you indeed have the
heart to spread the gospel of Jesus as well as take part in your cultural
heritage. Thank you also for responding to my post. I know (all too well)
how they can be very time-consuming.
The whole idea of celebrating your culture is paved with good intentions,
but I still feel that you must restore and preserve unity at the same
time. My own church, the Boston church, has the acapella singing that you
mentioned in your post, yet doesn't limit expression of my Mexican
culture, even though I am in the MIT Campus ministry and not the Spanish
(speaking) Zone. I have made a commitment to God that I will go to the
Sunday services of my church, because I know that my brothers and sisters
here are fully devoted in love for God as his disciples.
I don't believe in tongues, as you may have already picked up on, because
of my understanding of Biblical Christianity. However, I am certainly
willing to visit your congregation provided that it doesn't interfere with
my normal worship. Since you also live in Cambridge, I also extend an
invitation to you to visit our services as often as you like. You can
meet the MIT students at the Student Center (across from 77 Mass. Ave.) at
9AM on Sundays to leave for worship or simply call me after Wednesday
night to find out where the service will be held on a particular day.
My number is 225-7598, but will be 354-1357 in a few weeks from now and
for the rest of the summer. Our service normally last from 10AM to noon,
but occasionally are later or earlier (1-3 times per year).
>Let us always strive to reach all with the gospel by any means necessary.
>As we move from milk to meat, the petty things of the world that
>temporally separate us will dissolve away, and we shall stand with our
>naked realizations that God has shed His grace on all of us, His
>delightful creation.
Definitely!
Let's also strive to grow in obedience to the Lord through being men and
women after God's own heart.
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr20.022922.11861@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>No restriction was placed
>>on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement
>>of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934.
>
>Isin't there some kind of rule (regulation, law, whatever) in some
>juristictions that prohibit the use of *police band* recievers
>in vehicles? And that radar transmissions are included in the police band
>so they get covered by the same regulation?
Those rules/regulations/laws would be subject to the same attack: that
they are attempting to preempt federal authority to regulate (or not)
radio communications. Of course, as the original poster noted, court
challenges of this kind can get expensive.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 12sci.electronics |
Mark Wilson (mark@ocsmd.ocs.com) wrote:
: Mark A. Cartwright (markc@emx.utexas.edu) wrote:
: : 42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the
: : answer to the Question of "Life, the Universe, and Everything else."
: : Of course the Question has not yet been discovered...
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: But it WAS discovered (sort of). The question was "What is 7 times 8?"
[ Read on and there's a special prize at the bottom. Amaze your friends
and gain respect from your peers that you can carry on so long about the
number 42. ]
The original question was "What is the meaning of Life, the Universe, and
and Everything." The answer generated by Deep Thought (the 2nd largest
computer ever created) was 42. Deep Thought realized that to understand
the answer, one must really know what the question is. Unfortunately, he
didn't. But he was able to help build the largest computer (named Earth)
which could figure out the real question. (I know this is background
knowledge for everyone here... just bear with me a sec... :)
When Arthur pulled the scrabble tiles out of the bag, he spelled out
"What is nine times six?" (or the like). However, it is not clear that
the monkey-man had the right question in his brain, especially since it
was that lady in the diner (which was vaporized moments later) that came
up with the answer to how everyone could get along. On the other hand,
Marvin said he saw the answer in Dent's brain, so lets presume it's
correct.
Well, NINE TIMES SIX ***IS*** FORTY-TWO!!! ...in base 13.
Chew on that for awhile... :)
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr19.000246.11186@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes:
>In your (and Mutlu/Argic/Cosar's and thousands of others like you)
'SDPA.ORG' criminals/Nazis in action. Your fascist government got away with
the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying
the fruits of that genocide. And your criminal organization will not get away
with the genocide's cover-up. In June 1915, a major uprising took place in
Sebinkarahisar under the leadership of the famous Nazi Boyadjian. The Moslem
districts were burnt down. Hundreds of soldiers and gendarmerie were killed
and hundreds of civilians also perished.
Armenians first of all occupied the Talori region, which included
the villages of Siner, Simai, Gulli-Guzat, Ahi, Hedenk, Sinank,
Ekind, Effard, Musson, Etek, Akcesser. Leaving their wives,
children and property in these inaccessible spots, the Armenians
joined forces with other armed bands coming from the Silvan
districts in the plain of Mus, after which the whole body of
3000 men gathered in the Andok Mt. Five or six hundred wished
to surround Mus, and started off by attacking the Delican tribe to
the south of the city. They slaughtered a number of the tribe and
seized their goods. The religious beliefs of the Muslims who fell
into their hands were derided and disparaged, and the Muslims
themselves murdered in the most frightful manner. The rebels
also attacked the regular troops in the vicinity of Mus, but the
large numbers of the regular forces prevented them from
occupying the city.
The rebels joined the bandits in the Andok Mts., carrying out
the most frightful massacres and looting among the tribes of the
neighbourhood. They burned Omer Agha's nephew alive. They
raped a number of Turkish women at a spot three or four hours'
distance from Gulli-Guzat and then strangled them.
At the beginning of August the rebels attacked the Faninar,
Bekiran and Badikan tribes, perpetrating equally horrible
atrocities. The rebels in the villages of Yermut and Ealigernuk in
the nahiye of Cinan in the kaza of Cal attacked the Kurds in the
neighbourhood, as well as the villages of Kaisser and Catcat.
Towards the end of August, the Armenians attacked the
Kurds in the vicinity of Mus and burned down three or four
villages, including Gulli-Guzat. As for the 3000 rebels in Talori,
they continued to spread death and destruction among the
Muslims and other Christian communities, refusing to lay down
their arms.
Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History. Documentary Publications
(Istanbul), 1988.
p. 954.
"In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again drew
a picture of the country under occupation:
In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to the
River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of massacring
the Moslem population."
pp. 966-967.
"The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing of the
Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech:
The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged by the
protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their district. They
pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction everywhere. This was
responsible for the tragic incident at Maras....the Armenians had completely
destroyed an old Mohammedan town like Maras by their artillery and
machine-gun fire.
They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless women and children. The
Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which were unique in
history.
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 15," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3.
(19 Feb 330 '4 March 1915', District Governor Kemal)
"List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated
with the utmost savagery by Armenians:
Names Method of Annihilation
----- ----------------------
Haci Ibrahim, son of Abdi Bullets and bayonet
Abdi, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet
Reso, son of Abdi Beaten and cut into pieces
Sado, son of Omer Beaten and cut into pieces
Aso, son of Reso Beaten and cut into pieces
Kulu, son of Canko Stabbed in the eye with a bayonet
Musa, son of Canko Bayonet in his eye
Emin, son of Molla Hamit Bayonet in his eye
Molla Abdullah, son of Hamit Bayonet in his eye
Ibo, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye
Sado, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye
Abdullah, son of Canko Slaughtered
Ibo, son of Ahmet Abdomen ripped open
Ismail, son of Ibo Burnt in fire
Musto, son of Ozu Bullets
Mahmut, son of Seyyo Slaughtered
Kocak, son of Birro Bullets
Musto, son of Husnu Bullets
Uso, son of Alo Bullets
Maksut, son of Peri Bullets
Haci, son of Peri Bullets
Mehmet, son of Hasanali Bayonet
Ibo, son of Hasanali Bayonet
Abdo, son of Mehmed Bayonet
Molla Suleyman Burnt in oven
Mazgi, son of Abdullah Stabbed in abdomen by bayonet
Sulis, son of Hasan Bullets
Mahmo, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger
Murat, son of Hasan Stabbed with a dagger
Uso, son of Avci Blinded with a bayonet
Lesko, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger
Abdullah, son of Kasim Bullets
Coban Abdullah Bullets
Seymo, son of Mumin Bullets
Muammer, son of Reso Bullets
Paso, son of Merzi Bullets
Gulu, son of Bitor Bullets
Murat, son of Yusuf Bullets and bayonet
Cedo, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet
Faki Mehmet Bullets and bayonet
Silo, son of Abdulcebbar Bullets and bayonet
List of massacred females from the same village:
Kasi, daughter of Huso and
wife of Haci Ibrahim Bullets
Fati, daughter of Isa,
wife of Aduz Bullets
Zeresan, daughter of Amat,
wife of Reso Bayonet
Gullu, daughter of Iyso Cutting off her breasts
Sulnu, daughter of Sulo, Ripping open her abdomen and burning
wife of Ibo her baby in oven
Fatma, daughter of Ibo Slaughtered and burnt in oven
Fidan hatun Burnt in oven
Gulfizar, daughter of Hacihan,
wife of Musto Slaughtered
Rahime, daughter of Mehmet,
wife of Halil Bullets
Binefs, daughter of Haci Kerim,
wife of Suleyman Burnt in oven
Mahiye, daughter of Ali,
wife of Sivno Slaughtered
Hati, daughter of Haci,
wife of Ahmet Slaughtered
Hacer, daughter of Meho Bullet and bayonet
List of Females of the same village raped and murdered:
Nadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis
Hani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko
Zaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo
Arap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo
Wounded males and females of the same village:
(a long list)
List of massacred males and females at Istuci village:
Mikail, son of Alo Bullets
Musto, son of Ismail Bullets
Dervis, son of Maksut Bullets
Ali, son of Nimet Bayonet
Esat, son of Kelo Bayonet and bullets
Isa, son of Nebi Bayonet and bullets
Cevher, son of Gani Beaten by rifle butt
Ziro, daughter of Hasan Died from injuries
Hazal, daughter of Ali,
wife of Acem Died from injuries
Hamsa, daughter of Huseyin,
wife of Huseyin Died from injuries
List of raped women at Istuci village in life:
Sabo, daughter of Maho Virgin
Miri, other daughter of Maho Virgin
Emine, daughter of Meho, wife
of Sofi Salih
Sahap, daughter of Ali, wife
of Nevruz
Gullu, daughter of Mahi Virgin
List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs:
(a long list)"
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
[ Article crossposted from sdnet.forsale,rec.motocycle ]
[ Author was Michael James ]
[ Posted on 21 Apr 1993 15:39:50 GMT ]
I must sell my motorcycle...:( it is a '83 GR650, Tempter.
It has 20K miles and runs well.
Includes a cover and tank bag..
I'm asking $700 for it all.
E-mail me if you want to take a look at it.
--
******************************************************************************** Michael James james@mintaka.sdsu.edu
PA-128 594-2469
294-9845(H)
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PA-128 594-2469
(still no neat .sig -- oh well.)
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
About 50 people so far have asked, "Once the FBI gets your Clipper keys,
won't they be able to read all your future and past traffic?"
There has been no response from NIST, NSA, Ms. Denning, Mr. Hellman, or
anyone else who might be able to give us an authoritative answer.
This is troubling.
Didn't NSA think about this? Or is it a feature, and they thought we
wouldn't notice?
I would have thought that by now they would have responded with something
of the form, "Well, that won't be a problem because ...."
Very curious.
Lynn Grant
| 11sci.crypt |
hi folks
i have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb
the second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram)
i'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy
a new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll
all of them
any companies?
how many $?
and is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide
the ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is
about all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it)
thanks to all
write at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I am planning a weekend in Chicago next month for my first live-and-in-person
Cubs game (!!!) I would appreciate any advice from locals or used-to-be locals
on where to stay, what to see, where to dine, etc.
E-mail replies are fine...
Thanks in advance!
Teresa
--
Teresa Hagerman
Ohio State University
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
>
>Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good
>free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save
>them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =)
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Daemon
There are 2 books published by M&T BOOKS that come with C source code on
floppies. They are:
Programming In 3 Dimensions, 3-D Graphics, Ray Traycing, and Animation
by: Christopher D. Watkins and Larry Sharp.
Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C
by: Christopher D. Watkins, Stephen B. Coy, and Mark Finlay.
I have the first book and it is a great intro to 3-D, Ray Tracing and
Animation. Most of the programs are on the disk compiled and ready to run.
I have only glanced at the second book but it also appears to be good.
Hope this helps!
Mark Larsen
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"This R2 unit has a bad motivator!"
- Luke, Star Wars
| 1comp.graphics |
fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>In the New York Times on Sunday May 9th in the week in review
>section there was a report of a group called "Space Marketing"
>in Atlanta, Georgia who is planning to put up a one mile wide
>reflective Earth orbiting satelite which will appear as large
>and as bright as the Moon and carry some sort of advertising.
>There was an editorial about this in the Times the following
>Tuesday.
I realy like this idea, it would be wonderfull to see such a
big bright satelite on the night sky. I will even promise to
try to buy whatever product it advertises to help this project.
Please write to Space Marketing and encourage this project.
I sadly dosent have enough money to invest in it.
>congresspeople. Space Marketing can be reached at:
>Attn: Mike Lawson
>Public Relations Dept.
>Space Marketing
>1495 Atmbree Rd., Suite 600
>Rosewell, GA 30076
>(404)-442-9682
>Space advertisement in LOW Earth Orbit is very short term -- on the
>order of a few years before the orbit decays. (Higher orbits last
>longer.) Advertisers will certainly be aware of the environmental
>aspects of their advertising. Fred's argument is roughly akin to
>saying that it's bad to cut down trees, so we shouldn't advertise in
>newspapers. Think that through, Fred.
>Picture this: Our space billboard is a LARGE inflatable structure,
>filled with "bio-degradable" foam instead of gas. It scoops up space
>debris as it orbits, thus CLEANING the space environment and bringing
>you The Pause That Refreshes at the same time. Because of the large
>drag coefficient, it will de-orbit -- safely burning up -- within a
>year.
>Embedded in the foam structure is a small re-entry vehicle, which does
>not burn up during entry. It contains the electronics and propulsion
>system (which may be refurbished and re-used) as well as space science
>experiments proposed and built by high school students in
>advertiser-sponsored science fairs.
>Advertisers buy time on the billboard, whose surface is made up of
>tiny mirrors controlled by the avionics package. The avionics can
>reconfigure the mirrors to reflect different messages at different
>parts of the globe. Clever programming allows different languages
>to every country.
>During orbital night, the mirrors turn perpendicular to the surface,
>and small lights are revealed. The lights spell out messages for all
>to see.
>-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
> "HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH
> FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON
> JULY 1969, A.D.
> WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND."
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Mail: Magnus redin, Rydsv{gen 240C26, 582 51 LINK|PING, SWEDEN
Phone: Sweden (0)13 260046 (answering machine) and (0)120 13706
| 14sci.space |
In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes:
> Well, it seems the "National Sales Tax" has gotten its very
> own CNN news LOGO!
>
> Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often.
>
> Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this
> seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching
> time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by
> now.
>
> I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who
> was saying that " Clinton didn't propose a NST ".
>
Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue
persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year.
However....
Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they
will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible
(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they
have in Europe)
and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate
and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give
the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, and
force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax
rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could
be increased only via a national referendum.
Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile...
shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get
health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate
all in one fell swoop.
Gerald
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said:
> I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is "not
> supported", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with
> clashing addresses, and all that.
I've had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that
this sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous.
I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I
asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for
years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging
ADB devices with the power on.
SCSI, yes, ADB, no...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective. Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us. We love to
give advice.
>Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.
>Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
Couldn't help you here.
>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
You're reading it.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Marc T. Kaufman (kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
> -> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from?
> At this moment the King, who had been for some time busily writing in
> his note-book, called out "Silence!" and read out from his book
> "Rule Forty-two. All persons more than a mile high to leave the court."
> Everybody looked at Alice.
> "I'm not a mile high," said Alice.
> "You are," said the King.
> "Nearly two miles high," added the queen.
> "Well, I sha'n't go, at any rate," said Alice; "besides, that's not
> a regular rule: you invented it just now."
> "It's the oldest rule in the book," said the King.
> "Then it ought to be Number One," said Alice.
Does anybody have a collection of occurances of 42? (before and after
The Guide). If not, I would like to receive any odd bits you might know.
postings to alt.fan.douglas.adams.
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/_______________________________/ from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:
>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts
>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis
>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell
>is he thinking.
Didn't Alicea get a hit, though?
See y'all at the ballyard
Go Braves
Chop Chop
Michael Mule'
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e
Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
>The father of a friend of mine is a police officer in West Virginia. Not
>only is his word as a skilled observer good in court, but his skill as an
>observer has been tested to be more accurate than the radar gun in some
>cases . . .. No foolin! He can guess a car's speed to within 2-3mph just
>by watching it blow by - whether he's standing still or moving too! (Yes,
1) How was this testing done, and how many times? (Calibrated speedometer?)
2) It's not the "some cases" that worry me, it's the "other cases" :-)
(eg: suboptimal viewing conditions; even the best subjective viewer can only
partial compensate for certain distortions and optical illusions).
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C5LKEv.HpJ@feanor.xel.com> shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) writes:
>: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first?
>: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they
>: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point?
>
>Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth
>investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in .
Then don't complain (maybe it wasn't you) that SCSI was so expensive on
PC's because all we've had until a year or two ago was the ISA bus.
(ie no one buys SCSI for ISA because ISA is slow)
Are you saying that SCSI on an ISA bus is not an automatic winner when
compared to IDE?
>You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism
>as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's
>interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not.
I get different transfer rates out of my IDE when I change my ISA bus speed.
>On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If
>IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file
>servers?
IDE is just a variant of the old IBM- MFM AT controller. (at least that's
how it looks from a software point of view). It was never meant to be
an all-encompassing protocal/standard to be implimented across different
platforms.
Is there any argument that
IDE can (or can't) transfer data from the IDE drive at least as fast as the
drive is able to provide the data? Are SCSI versions of IDE drives able
to deliver higher sustained transfer rates to their SCSI interface (because
of a higher RPM platter, different arrangement of heads, etc?)?
>: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive
>: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do
>: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence?
>: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost?
>
>No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives
>at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly.
If data is going from one drive to another, and if SCSI has the ability to
perform that transfer without the data having to go through the CPU or main
memory, then yes, that is the optimal way to do it. As far as I know, IDE
can't do that. But when the CPU wants data from both drives (data to be stored
in main memory) are you saying that SCSI can grab data from both drives
at the same time *and* store/transfer that data to main memory also at the
same time? Working off 1 IRQ and 1 DMA channel on an ISA (or whatever) bus?
>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I
>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper.
A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245
million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets
close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few
hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers?
>No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because
>nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read:
>easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or
>Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice.
So you're saying that SCSI would have been the default interface type,
considering that the vast majority of PC's don't have cd-rom drives or
tape backups or etc? That most PC's only have (or had) 1 hard drive and
run DOS? That SCSI hard drives cost a lot more than MFM or RLL drives
at the time? (and how common were SCSI drives under 80 megs 4 to 10 years
ago?) There's a lot more than the lack of a common interface card that
prevented SCSI from becoming the connection medium of choice.
>: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented
>: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better
>: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when
>: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.
>
>On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive.
But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you
get more performance for the money. For all the people that will only have
a single hard drive in their system (regardless of the OS) will the SCSI
choice really give them more performance than IDE?
>But, you bought your PC for
>expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever.
True, but expandibility can also start on the bus, which means the option
is there for cd-rom drives or tape backups that run off their own cards.
> 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them
> concurrently.
No argument. This is always held up to the first time SCSI buyer as the
best reason. But how many SCSI devices will the first time SCSI buyer
eventually acquire? Again does it make sense to go SCSI for a single
hard drive system?
> 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac
> and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice
> with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go)
With all the postings on the SCSI I or II specs, are you really sure that
PC and Apple SCSI hard drives are compatible? And even if they are,
is the data accessible from either machine (ie are there no formatting/
partitioning or file table differences?) Is it really plug'n'play?
> 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For
> instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor
> 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will
> work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the
> termination, plug it in, and away it goes.
So the C: drive on the connor becomes a logical D: drive to DOS. Is this
really a problem?
> 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that
> the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is
> quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c:
> to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very
> noticable, as many things can be going on at once.
After having two IDE drives in my system for temporary file transfers,
I have never seen any differences when switching between drives, nor
have I ever seen any differences when transfering files between drives or
to/from the same drive.
>One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the
>ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with
>little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've
>added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to
>have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive
>all on the same card.
That is nice (as long as the power supply can keep up). I do believe that
there is the possibility for up to 4 IDE drives on a PC.
>Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out.
But what about "mysterious" (and expensive) drivers to figure out? At least
IDE doesn't require drivers that consume precious conventional (DOS) memory.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Now, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also
going on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them??
I'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address.
please e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
For the second straight game, California scored a ton of late runs to crush
the Brewhas. It was six runs in the 8th for a 12-5 win Monday and five in
the 8th and six in the 9th for a 12-2 win yesterday. Jamie Navarro pitched
seven strong innings, but Orosco, Austin, Manzanillo and Lloyd all took part
in the mockery of a bullpen yesterday. How's this for numbers? Maldanado has
pitched three scoreless innings and Navarro's ERA is 0.75. The next lowest
on the staff is Wegman at 5.14. Ouch!
It doesn't look much better for the hitters. Hamilton is batting .481, while
Thon is hitting .458 and has seven RBI. The next highest is three. The next
best hitter is Jaha at .267 and then Vaughn, who has the team's only HR, at
.238. Another ouch. Looking at the stats, it's not hard to see why the team
is 2-5. In fact, 2-5 doesn't sound bad when you're averaging three runs/game
and giving up 6.6/game.
Still, it's early and things will undoubtedly get better. The offense should
come around, but the bullpen is a major worry. Fetters, Plesac and Austin gave
the Brewers great middle relief last year. Lloyd, Maldanado, Manzanillo,
Fetters, Austin and Orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be
successful. Milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either
held small leads or kept small deficits in place. The starters will be okay,
the defense will be alright and the hitting will come around, but the bullpen
is a big question mark.
In other news, Nilsson and Doran were reactivated yesterday, while William
Suero was sent down and Tim McIntosh was picked up by Montreal. Today's game
with California was cancelled.
--salty
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes:
> I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties.
>If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep,
>unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time.
>(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.)
>The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager
>problem, but I don't know what to do about it.
>Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise
>is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands.
I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both
of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice
in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were
system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system
seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to
wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on
the screen - it freezes.
I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at
startup.
I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times
already and finally they agreed something is astray after my
Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by
itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured
twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in
New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't
afford to be without my Duo at this time.
Anyone out there with these same problems?
--
Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com
I
AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>HELP!!!
>my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
>We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one.
>My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small.
>I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think).
>Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.
> Thanx
The Olds Supreme Convertible got high marks in C/D's recent test, if
you can get by the stupid body moldings and stuff. The Saab 900 ragtop may
be out of your range, but its a good choice. Is there a new F-car convertible?
The Nissan 240SX convertible is a nice car also... Those immediately come to
mind...
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
| 7rec.autos |
cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> the liberal Gov. Wilder vetoed it. Which shows that liberals don't
> give a damn about "best person for the job," it's just a power
> play.
"Women are only interested in clothes and shopping"
"Whites are imperialist colonial fascists"
"Blacks are lazy uneducated scum"
"Men are rapists"
"Homosexuals support child-molesting"
Slogans, my dear Cramer, are not an adequate substitute for thought.
--
Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."--gene spafford,1992
| 18talk.politics.misc |
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 4, 1993
PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT
WITH RUSSIAN PRESS
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
2:46 P.M. PDT
Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you
could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll
give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.)
Q The first is that this is the meeting of the
Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government
money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the
government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going
to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian
businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What
are the priorities, because there are several association of
Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to
participate in setting up priorities for investment?
This is the first. And second, to you. We know
that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans
are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls
say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times
published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war;
42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent
if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to
sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not
very enthusiastic? Thank you.
Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going
to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the
answers. Just the answers. Okay.
THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is,
it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example,
the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will
obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be
good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will
be used to support the privatization of existing public
enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the
Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have
some influence over the distribution of.
With regard to your second question, let me say that
I would think that there would be people in both countries who
would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government
giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to
that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history
there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That
is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole
history of America, any kind of aid program has always been
unpopular.
What I have tried to tell the American people is, is
this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that
this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion --
trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments
because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in
Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them
working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies
going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it
possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the
economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and
investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce
nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on
our side and on the Russian side.
So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an
investment for the United States. This is very much in the
interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the
second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next
week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for
the taxpayers and workers of my country.
Russia is a very great nation that needs some
partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share
her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view
this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not
what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful
investment.
Like all investments, there is some risk. But
there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than
the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier
of the Cold War.
Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very
much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory
of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American
President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind
of a very measured breakthrough.
I have two questions. One, in your introductory
remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief
that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you
tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to
what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification
of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how
confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager
to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions
inherited from the Cold War?
PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of
Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with
regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent
states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States
develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing
that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of
the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude
our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that
would provide not only an important economic opportunity for
Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out
on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed
off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and
we agreed to continue to press that.
I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to
reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the
Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the
United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine,
but that, in order to do what we need to do together to
strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States
be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join
the NPT regime is critical.
What was the second question?
THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and
COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the
Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will,
as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other
restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on
relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies
of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of
them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the
leadership of the Congress.
With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be
an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there
are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to
emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there
is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed
to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be
much less.
With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing
more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my
own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement
out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to
begin it in the fairly near future.
Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in
Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely
different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not
political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of
Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the
difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the
difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of
Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the
last part of your speech?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to
compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say
what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a
boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the
music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been
thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music
for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists
and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know
as much as I could about your history.
And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then
the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last
presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone
in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr.
Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I
was following events there very closely and hoping for the day
when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a
personal feeling about Russia.
I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like
music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a
musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York
Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony
to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly
than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically
so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it
occurred.
These are things that have always had a big impact
on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever
had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two
countries become closer partners. (Applause.)
THE PRESS: Thank you.
END3:06 P.M. PDT
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <93089.204431GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I am a bit nervous about posting this beacause it is begining to
>stray fron the topic of space but then again that doesn't seem to
>stop alot of other people. :-)
>
>With all of this talk about breathing at high pressures, I began
>to think about the movie Abyss. If you remember, in that movie one
>of the characters dove to great depths by wearing a suit that used
>a fluid that carries oxegen as opposed to some sort of gas. Now I
>have heard that mice can breath this fluid but for some reason, humans
>are unable to. Does anyone know more details about this?
>
>Gregson Vaux
>
I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump
the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.
So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on
hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times
as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas
and liquid comparision of course!
Acurist
| 14sci.space |
In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>
elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:
>
>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from
>elsewhere?
Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was
more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like
to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my
services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid
information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments
which would aid them.
I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.
The President and many other senior government officials have made it very
clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the
"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their
professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.
David
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
| 11sci.crypt |
Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:
: Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80's (Part III)" - vinyl
Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of
Men without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...
please contact me, we wish to purchase it!
|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o|
| | |U |\ It's late (again)... | |
|o| |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C5y746.73K@vcd.hp.com> johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes:
<Paul Robichaux (robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
<:
<: As a private citizen, I would feel much more "secure in my person and
<: papers" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil
<: liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of
<: my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure
<: by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or
<: overtly controlled by the government.
<: --------------------------
<Thats one problem that has so far been overlooked. These two escrow
<agencies will have to create a secure database and service the
<input and output of Keys. Who pays for this? If they refuse an
<illegal request from some congressman to deliver a key can their
<budget by cut to punish them? Will congress be forced to fund
<them forever?
Congress isn't forced to do ANYTHING. Not even follow their own rules,
if it isn't expedient. If caught with their collective pants down,
they make some funny noises, perhaps crucify a skapegoat or two, then
continue business as usual. I notice those senators involved with
the S&L Scandal weren't hurt too much, if at all. DeConcini's personal
stake in suppliers to those big Aerostats hasn't affected his credibility
at all, inside Congress, at least. He is still pushing his police state
agenda...
<The problem is that laws can change. Congress may pass a law setting
<up an escrow agency with instructions that keys are private. Some
<future congress may change that law. Suppose pre-nazi Germany had
<a clipper system. Do you think the escrow agencies would have
<told Hitler that he could not have the keys without a valid
<court order?
It will be like the old saw in New Jersey and New York, Chicago, etc
when the politicians PROMISED that this spiffy new gun registration law
will NOT be used for future confiscation purposes. Sure enough, a few
years later, when they WERE used JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE, and folks
complained, the response was "Well, *I* didn't make that promise..."
Some politicians may not even wait a few years... Escrowed keys would
have the same assurances of security. Besides, if someone wants to
snoop, how are YOU to know - you don't think they will send you a letter
saying "We are now snooping on your private conversations...", do you?
What are the assurances the escrow people will not be FORBIDDEN to
report any access attempts for one's keys?
So much for government assurances of privacy.
<In effect you must set up escrow agencies as a fourth branch of
<the goverment and isolate them from any outside interferance.
<They will be able to directly tap into Federal funds with no
<accountability to anyone except through a court challenge.
How? The Feds will just change the law, or just ignore it. Nothing
new here... They got the muscle, the resources, the guns...
As an aside, since export of crypto is verboten because of ITAR,
shouldn't the Second Amendment also come into play here?
<John Eaton
<!hp-vcd!johne
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| 11sci.crypt |
Hi all,
I have this program in which user can display many images one-by-one on the
display. Now I am trying to get the best poosible color allocation. So
each time I open a image, I try to allocate the colors reqd for that image
(approach similar to that used in xv by john bradley). The problem
comes when I try to display the next image. Now I have effectively tied
myself to the colors of the previous image. So the second image doesnot come
up in original colors.(i.e. the colors it would have shown, had it been
displayed first).
I know that I can display only 256 colors (or whatever depth of the display)
at a time. But I also dont want the color reproduction dependent on the
sequence in whihc you display the image.
So what is the best way out?
Please rewpond to vijay@iitb.ernet.in.
Thanks,
Vijay
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| 1comp.graphics |
>DATE: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 00:19:45 -0400
>FROM: Karim Edvard Ahmed <ka0k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>
>Since I haven't been able to keep up with baseball much this season, I
>have a few questions about my favorite team, the Minnesota Twins:
>
>1. How good does their rotation look? The last I heard, the order is
>Tapani, Erikson, Mahomes, Banks, and some guy I've never heard of.
>(sounds pretty pathetic to me)
Well, maybe it will be. Banks is a 24 year-old prospect who "hasn't
matured as quickly as they would have liked. Mahomes is a 22 year-old
who is very highly touted. Tapani and Erickson are also young, and
have looked very good this spring. The last spot was between Jim
Deshaies, formerly of Houston and S.D. and Mike Trombley. Deshaies
hasn't looked very good this spring, so I believe that the spot has
gone to Trombley, although they hadn't wanted 3 starters this unproven.
I personally believe very highly in Mahomes and Trombley.
>
>2. Who is playing short and third?
Well, Scott Leius is the shortstop. He played mostly 3B last year, but
was a SS in the minors, and moved back after Gagne left to K.C. 3B is
split (maybe) between Pagliarulo, who has had a great spring, and Terry
Jorgenson, a good looking kid who has languished in Portland for 3
years. I'm not sure how the time will be divided, but they seem to be
happy with what they have here. I like Jorgenson, but I fear they
might give too much time to Pags.
>3. How's Winfield doing?
Sorry, can't help you here.
Dennis
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
We`ve had the the Great Western, the [ dunno ] and the Great Northern
postulated as Brunel`s masterpiece. Keep boxing the compass chaps, you`ll
get round to it eventually.
The Great Western was a highly successful transatlantic mail ship,
with hybrid sail and steam propulsion. The Great Eastern, which broke
the 'Little Giant' financially and otherwise, was a revolutionary leap
forward in ship design. A thirty thousand ton all steel vessel, with
primary steam propulsion, it was at the time easily the biggest ocean
going vessel ever built. Brunel took advantage of the fact that cargo
and / or fuel capacity rose with the cube of scale, while drag rose
with the square, so a really big ship could steam thousands of miles
without coaling.
Unfortunately, there was no real market for such a beast at the time,
and it was eventually sold off at scrap values. As another poster
said, it then went on to a successful career as a telegraph cable
laying ship. It was in fact the only ship of its day capable of laying
a transatlantic cable in one go, with the endurance and capacity to
carry the huge reel all the way, and the manoeuverabilty to dredge for
defective sections. See Arthur C Clarke`s book "How the World was One"
[ I think that`s right ]
If that`s how the Shuttle goes down in history, as a technical triumph
and a financial disaster for the builder, it would not be entirely
ignoble, but I doubt if history will be so charitable. Its true the
Shuttle can do things no other launch system can do, but are they
worth doing? With low cost access to space, you could have an
affordable space station for doing shuttle-like extended manned
missions. As it is, the shuttle is not so much a space-truck as a
space-RV, ( only not so cheap to run :-( )
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| 14sci.space |
I have the following items that I have no further use for and am will
to accept best offers on either or both.
Brand new DECserver 300
&
DECserver 200/MC
If you are interested, send your best offers.
Thanks
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered
>first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change
>their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities
>quickly.
And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal
appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change
their policies. The odds are about equal.
>I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion
>is cleared up to my satisfaction. I suspect about 5. We shall see.
You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through.
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Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
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(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (3.1), trying to resond to the left button
double click message WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK in a combo box. My codes look like:
class MyComboBox : public TComboBox
{
public:
MyComboBox(PTWindowsObject AParent, int ResourceId, WORD ATextLen) :
TComboBox(AParent, ResourceId, ATextLen) {};
virtual void WMLButtonDblClk(RTMessage Msg) = [WM_FIRST + WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK];
};
void MyComboBox::WMLButtonDblClk(RTMessage Msg)
{
... // responding to the message (selecting the item in the list box)
}
Anything wrong with my program? Any help would be appreciated.
-- jun
To talk to the Lord with PS/2 through MS-Windows
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov
(Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>Will someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term "Level 5" comes
>from?
>
>But who is it that invents this standard, and how come
>everyone but me seems to be familiar with it?
The SEI. Software Engineering Institute, a DoD funded part of Carnegie Mellon
University. You can read about part of it in Ed Yourdon's The Decline and
Fall of the American Programmer (Yourdon Press).
Just passing thru.....
--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
{uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
| 14sci.space |
In article <1qf5g8$32l@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Dan J. Declerck (declrckd@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
>: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your
>: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway).
>: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the
>: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the
>: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so
>: many judges.
>
>: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan....
>
>No, ask the people of New Jersey where the "no-fault" hoax has been
>going on for years. Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault
>insurance saw an increase in rates. I know that's what happened in
>NJ because I lived there when it changed. Just one more reason I will
>never go back to that state.
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *
>*******************************************************************************
In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to
the medical coverage.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
>>But, you don't know that capital punishment is wrong, so it isn't the same
>>as shooting. A better analogy would be that you continue to drive your car,
>>realizing that sooner or later, someone is going to be killed in an automobile
>>accident. You *know* people get killed as a result of driving, yet you
>>continue to do it anyway.
>Uh uh. You do not know that you will be the one to do the
>killing. I'm not sure I'd drive a car if I had sufficient evidence to
>conclude that I would necessarily kill someone during my lifetime.
Yes, and everyone thinks as you do. No one thinks that he is going to cause
or be involved in a fatal accident, but the likelihood is surprisingly high.
Just because you are the man on the firing squad whose gun is shooting
blanks does not mean that you are less guilty.
>I don't know about Jon, but I say *ALL* taking of human life is
>murder. And I say murder is wrong in all but one situation: when
>it is the only action that will prevent another murder, either of
>myself or another.
You mean that killing is wrong in all but one situtation? And, you should
note that that situation will never occur. There are always other options
thank killing. Why don't you just say that all killing is wrong. This
is basically what you are saying.
>I'm getting a bit tired of your probabilistic arguments.
Are you attempting to be condescending?
>That the system usually works pretty well is small consolation to
>the poor innocent bastard getting the lethal injection. Is your
>personal value of human life based solely on a statistical approach?
>You sound like an unswerving adherent to the needs of the many
>outweighing the needs of the few, so fuck the few.
But, most people have found the risk to be acceptable. You are probably
much more likely to die in a plane crash, or even using an electric
blender, than you are to be executed as an innocent. I personally think
that the risk is acceptable, but in an ideal moral system, no such risk
is acceptable. "Acceptable" is the fudge factor necessary in such an
approximation to the ideal.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
I have a Sherwood stereo receiver which I received as a gift, and would
like to sell, as I already own a system. It is the Sherwood model RX-4010R
It is brand new, still factory sealed. This is a high quality surround-
sound amp ( 160 Watts, 250 Watts Dynamic Headroom Power ), very highly
rated by Consumer Reports ( March, 1993 ). Has 4 audio inputs, and Pre-amp
and Main-amp connection jacks for added flexibility. Includes 2-year
factory warranty. Comes with remote.
Asking $210
Reply Subject: Receiver
Thanks,
pwr@phys.physics.ucf.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
>I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what
>happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the
>name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own
>legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and
>reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some
>more of these critters?
For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something
like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed
overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make
the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green ..
mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark
and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT ..
--
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(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that
from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes:
>: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to
>: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I
>: am right. :(
>
>It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact
>with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up.
>Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography
>and immaturity I wonder.
Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them
they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions.
You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up.
cpk
--
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| 11sci.crypt |
What's the feeling about eating and riding? I went out riding this
weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie. The whole
ride back I felt sluggish. I was certainly much more alert on the
ride in. I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.
From now on, a little snack will do. I'd much rather have a get that
full/sluggish feeling closer to home.
-Paul
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DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S
| 8rec.motorcycles |
The other week I saw a TV program about the american space industry and NASA.
It said that in the 60's they developed a rocket that used ions or nuclear
particles for propolsion.
The government however, didn't give them $1billion for the developement
of a full scale rocket.
Did anybody see this program?
If not, has anybody heard of the particle propolsion system?
Thanx. 8-)
Glen Balmer...
| 14sci.space |
With a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4,
one for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of
low interrupts. What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of
10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA
i486 computer. I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI
(checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use)
and they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones
lower than 7. Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will
allow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts?
Loran Yourk (708)979-9378
AT&T lyourk@ihlpm.att.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
...
>Anyway, I don't have anything against AMORC, I just wanted to point
>out that secret organizations are lead by human beings, and we all
>know what that means.
I had an ehum, interesting experience with the Rosicrucians, or at
least Rosicrucians of some sort last Sunday. They had advertised that
they were holding a lecture titled The Graal of the King -- the room
of the heart (which rhymes in Swedish). Out of curiosity, I went to
the lecture.
There were four people there apart from the two Rosicrucians, one
woman and two men apart from me. The Rosicrucians were male, both of
them. First one of them told us about the Rosicrucians and Lectorium
Rosicrucianum, which was founded in Harlem, NL in 1925. He read
straight from a piece of paper, which I at that point was because he
lacked experience in talking in front of people, but the other guy
read, too, and he was used to holding speeches, I could tell. The
first guy also said that the R:s are a mystical Christian order, and
that they base their teachings on the teachings of the Kathars
(English?) from the thirteenth century.
The other guy took over, reading from his piece of paper in a
fairy-tale teller's voice. What he said sounded like a load of crap to
me. Of course that might be because I am unenlightened or something.
What made me a bit suspicious, was the way they first said that we all
contained something divine, and could find our way back to divinity,
then that we couldn't become divine as the persons we are currently,
but if we worked really hard we would reach eternal bliss. Maybe I've
read too much RAW, but it sounded very much like the things he talks
about in the chapter _How to robotize people and brainwash your
friends_ in _Prometheus rising_.
It was very interesting to watch the two Rosicrucians. The one holding
the actual lecture, obviously was top dog, and the other one seemed to
be a true believer. I got the impression that the top dog had more
distance to the faith than the true believer, that he used it to gain
power and admiration. He spoke like a fairy-tale teller, whenever he
remembered. ;)
The information brochure is at home. Should you want their address,
please e-mail me.
--Ceci
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(...still, I think Emacs is a fairly good operating system.)
===================================================================
| 19talk.religion.misc |
jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes:
> I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3
> with IRQ5.
I don't believe IRQ5 is the problem. I tried a mouse on COM3, IRQ4 (the
usual place) and it still did not like it. Simply, Windows seems to only
support mice on COM1 or COM2. The funny part is, though, that
Microsoft's own mouse driver (8.xx) was quite happy with my mouse
sitting on COM3. Why can't Windows use the mouse driver, or at least
support COM3? :-)
> COM2Irq=3
> COM3Irq=5
> COM4Irq=7
> MaxComPort=4
I've tried this too. Actually, I wanted to be able to use my second
modem (COM3/IRQ5) from Windows. It still will not talk to that modem. I
created two profiles, AMSTRAD (for my Amstrad modem on COM1/IRQ4) and
MAESTRO (for my Maestro on COM3/IRQ5). It will not talk to the Maestro
at all.
> (1,5106830617) that their driver does not support COM3 and COM4 in windows.
> Their suggestion was that the 'MicroSoft or PS/2' setting in windows
> setup would work. It does not.
Nor here. (Windows 3.0).
> I can not believe that it is not possible. At worst, you would need a special
> version of 'a' mouse driver that looked at COM3 and COM4 instead of COM1
> and COM2. I know that IRQ5 and IRQ7 are normally printer port IRQs, but I
I've seen nothing like that. I've experimented with Logitech's mouse
driver too, with no sucess.
> have no printers attached. A side note is that I would really like to assign
> COM4 to some higher IRQ, because my SoundBlaster board uses IRQ7 (right now,
> I'm not using COM4), but no modem that I know of allows settings other than
> IRQs 2,3,4,5, and 7.
If you have a SoundBlaster Pro, it should support IRQ10 as well.
Finally, a board that supports IRQs >9. The only one I have (except my
IDE controller).
hamish
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Cloud Nine BBS, 3:635/552@fidonet Access Network Association.
Melbourne Australia 58:4100/43@intlnet Mail info@apana.org.au
Titanic Software. Voice: +61-3-803-1326 for information.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm
asking for help. I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to
one, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v
stepper. What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a
small schematic would probably be helpfull).
Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering
if I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message)
current limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as
that illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully
help me with).
... hmm... different request...
Thanks.
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1srespINNsua@mojo.eng.umd.edu> josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
> ... Under such
>conditions, it is very easy for Serbs to play a "divide-and-conquer"
>game, and to get the Muslims and Croats (who have strong common
It is the Serbs who were divided when Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina
attempted to secede from Yugoslavia, ripping more than 2,000,000 Serbs
and their property out of Yugoslavia.
The Croatian and Muslim nations had the right to secede, not the Republics.
Additionally, the secessions were to be negotiated, which would probably
have required international mediation; instead the secessions were illegal,
unilateral, and acts of war against Yugoslavia and those who did not
want to be ripped out of Yugoslavia by the secessions.
-Nick
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <ltdi2pINN7km@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes:
>In article <93111.205214RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <AfpIKNm00WBLI1isJ1@andrew.cmu.edu>, "William K. Willis"
>><ww1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>>>
>>> You know, I never really appreciated them before!
>>
>>Looks like Bob Errey's ring really sparkles in that locker room, and everyone
>>else wants one, too! :-) Correct me if I'm wrong though, (just through
>
>No, Fuhr's 5 rings out sparkle Errey's. And doesn't Bob have 2 rings?
Regardless, they'd have to sparkle from the pressbox. Errey's been
out a couple games with a hip injury.
--
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hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU faster and faster. "I wanted to learn how to
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate." P. LaFontaine
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1pq50fINN15b@abyss.West.Sun.COM> dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) writes:
>NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should
>only be three penalties:
>
>1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your
> body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game.
>
>2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the
> current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you
> are thrown out of the game, and fined.
>
>3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot
> is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game.
>
>Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties
>in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one,
>until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in
>the act of shooting when the foul ocured.
These new rule changes are great! However, I think that your rules are
MUCH too complicated. How will the normal average fan be able to count
how many fouls a player has? And then we would even have to remember the
names of the players, in order to determine who drew the foul! And, of
course, there will have to be new "sub-positions", like the power center
who just sits in the slot until the (blue, of course) puck comes near him,
and the "shooting defenseman" and the "point defenseman". Finally, we'll
be able to keep stats on the best and the worst penalty-shot takers.
Since almost everyone on the ice will be getting fouled, we'll be able to
see Ulf Samuellson (sp?) and Tie Domi miss penalty shots like crazy.
;-) ;-) ;-)
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."
-- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
:What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
:had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
:
:With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
:more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
:
:With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
:mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
I hope this is a joke... if not, here's my response:
The BATF has a history of no-knock raids with poor evidence, often resulting in
innocent people being killed or suffering injury to person or property. I will
NOT support the BATF until they clean up their act... Maybe... As to equipment,
the BATF has damn near anything it wants... Their faults were in intelligence
(military and civilian definitions apply), tactics (attacking during DAYLIGHT??), methodology (the FBI stated that it is against government policy to assault
a position where there are non-combatants/potential hostages without attempting
negotiations first), and legality. The BATF's jurisdiction is TAXES on firearms
and tobacco. They are a branch of the department of the treasury. They have
very curiously backed away from their claims of illegal weaponry to push the
child-abuse charges... The BATF has no jurisdiction over non-firearms/tobacco
issues! And the charges of child-abuse had been investigated in the past with
no violence and no validation. This was a clear case of first the BATF, then
the FBI, having watched too many Rambo movies... My opinion is that the agent
in charge should be charged with executing an illegal raid, criminal negligence,
murder, civil rights violations, and breaking his/her oath to uphold and defend
the Constitution of the US. The warrant should be unsealed to reveal to the
public what justification the BATF thought it had in committing an armed assault
on American citizens. And while on the issue of investigating this issue,
the Randy Weaver case and the Johnny Lawmaster case should be investigated for
BATF wrongdoing.
James
btw, if the BATF came busting in my windows with concussion grenades, you could damn well bet I would return fire to the utmost of my ability.
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes:
>I believe it goes or will go:
>680060
>powerPC
>Pentium
Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 .
66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 .
Note that SPECint is more important for most real world applications.
>680040
>486
As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 .
>680030
>386
>680020
>286=680000
>In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was
> slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed
> for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie
> quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so.
> Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system
> at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the
> speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think
> it laps the pentium.
Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola "equivalents"
although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance
is something that is highly debatable.
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) writes:
>I have a project in mind that requires an array of LEDs that can be addressed
>individually by a microprocessor (say, 16x16 or so). Is there an LSI that
>is designed to drive an LED array (including RAM to hold the array state),
>or failing that, some way of multiplexing the display so I don't have to
>latch a bit for each LED using a discrete latch? (I want to avoid having
>a huge board covered with 373s if possible!) Thanks in advance...
Maxim makes a chip that does exactly what you want. The MAX7219 drives 8
7 segment LED displays with full decode or drives 64 discrete LED's with
a 3 wire serial interface. The chips can also be cascaded to allow very
large arrays. I am working on a sign display using this part.
I'll have to post the contact info for Maxim later, it's at home. There was
a series of articles on this chip in the last couple of Circuit Cellar Ink's.
Mike Harpe
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr22.043211.78931@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>Why is it going to take a year for V.fast to become a standard? Are there
>technical problems to work out, or is it just bureaucratic slowdown? THANKS!
Don't even get hyped up. They are still accepting submissions from the
members for various proposals of how to implement the standard.
You don't seem to realize that while v32bis was just an extension of
v32 (which took years to pass, implement, and finally sell at a reasonable
price), v.fast requires all new technology (not just faster DSP chips, etc.)
to achieve its performance.
Wait until next spring for the final ratification and modems coming shortly
after that.
--
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bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <9157@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
}For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between
}Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out
Hate to shatter your self image of perfection that you appear to hold, but
your language is wrong: Jim and me.
}I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and
}Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to
}understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't
}have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote
}out of context.
Of course not - just the ones you disagree with. Q.E.D.
}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
}
}Jim replied by saying
}>Did I either ask or assert that?
}
}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject
So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again.
}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of
}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual
}>may be held responsible for that action?
}
}Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of
}context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on
}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all.
So? Check the newsgroups?
}Does "silence is concurrence" imply that Jim thinks that because I
}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes
}out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this
}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself.
Telepathy again? You claim to know what I "want".
}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next
}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he
}concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide
}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion.
No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours.
}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help
Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification.
}More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large
}number of my articles?
Do you know what "uncountably large" means? It does not appear so.
}Could Jim mean that because I "axed" his articles,
}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ...
}Well, I can't see where he is going with this.
I am not suprised.
}But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80
That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your "Argument"
is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written
by a stagehand at Paramount.
}Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it
}through your induction engine and see what pops out.
Of course. You appear arrogant. So? I already had figured that out.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard,
but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split.
However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught
to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish
and American typing, or what???
Thanks a lot in advance!
--
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viralbus@daimi.aau.dk SOLIDVM PETIT IN LINGVIS
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5JM0M.6Jw@cs.dal.ca>, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:
|>
|> Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant
|> on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT
|> of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive
|> in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's
|> ~.300 OBP in front of you...
I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone
will correct me if I'm wrong.)
RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You
can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:
The team that scores more runs wins the game!
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Flame Away
-- John Bratt
|>
|> Gord Niguma
|> (fav player: John Olerud)
|>
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
DB>LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is.
DB>Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly
DB>containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual.
DB>The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full,
DB>"This product must be installed by an Apple ........."
DB>SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX
DB>upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board.
Sounds like you got the Adobe ROM upgrade for an NTX. That describes
the kit I got when I upgraded to the 51.2 or 52.1 PostScript in my NTX.
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In article <1r9bi6$s2b@apple.com> opstad@apple.com (David Opstad) writes:
>Sorry for the delay in replying; your message only showed up today (23 Apr)
>on apple.com. QuickDraw GX is not a replacement for QuickDraw; the two of
>them live quite happily together. You may write an app that only uses GX
>if you want, or you may write a hybrid app that uses both. Suptayoo.
This is something I asked before, but I don't think I got an answer, or
maybe I lost the answer, or maybe it's just an obvious question (:->). Will
the GX stuff (on-line docs etc.) be available on the DEVELOP CDs, or will it
only go out to people in the Developer's program and such? Just curious.
--Steve Lane
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I watched the final inning of Bosio's no-hitter with several people at
work. After Vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the
middle, someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove, he
wouldn't have had time to throw Riles out. Yet, the throw beat Riles
by about two steps. I wonder how many others who watched the final out
think Vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand.
Does anybody think Vizquel was wrong to field the ball barehanded? And
if he failed to field it cleanly, would it (or should it) have been an
error or a hit? (Judging from Bosio's grimace when the ball bounced
past him, he must have thought it would go through for a hit.) Whether
Vizquel was right or wrong, he certainly made one hell of a play.
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi! I've just installed the new XArchie 2.0.1 and it all works
fine, except:
on our grayscale xterm the custom icons compiled into the
program don't work at all, but on the BW terminal it works fine.
I can set the icon to an xbm file with .twmrc, but that doesn't
give the neat-o change when busy action. (Other programs with
similar actions, e.g. xmail, xbiff, work fine.)
The X-interface author, George Ferguson, suggests it might be a
problem with the X intrinsics, but isn't willing to hack around
to fix it himself. But I know zero about X programming, so I
don't think I can find it.
Does anyone out there know an obvious fix for the problem?
Andrew
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Dep't of Astronomy and Astrophysics, U. Chicago
5640 S. Ellis Ave (312) 702-6041
Chicago, IL 60637-1433 (312) 702-8212 FAX
| 5comp.windows.x |
Dear Reader,
I'am searching for an implementation of a polygon reduction algorithm
for marching cubes surfaces. I think the best one is the reduction algorithm
from Schroeder et al., SIGGRAPH '92. So, is there any implementation of this
algorithm, it would be very nice if you could leave it to me.
Also I'am looking for a fast !!! connectivity
test for marching cubes surfaces.
Any help or hints will be very useful.
Thanks a lot
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In article <1qc5sa$obl@pandora.sdsu.edu>, chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes:
} A note on the lighter side, I've noticed most gun-banners (some of my
} friends included) are the one who make comments that indicate they are
} more likely to resort to violent. So are they really banning guns so they
} wouldn't end up shooting someone else?
Could be.
It is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to
violence, they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react
otherwise.
--
David Olson dlo@drutx.att.com
"Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can.
But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."
-- George Stephanopolous.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
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In article <C751nD.L92@inviso.com> robbiew@inviso.com (Robbie Westmoreland) writes:
>Answer: Don't ask. Don't even think about it. Just put this line into your
>global kill file:
Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920,
the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated
in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion
and national origin?
Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at the
hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only the killing of
innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian Armenia.
They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of Ottoman
Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines genocide
as acting with a
'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a
national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'
History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate
the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the
Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including
U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy
as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of
the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the
extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor
those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians.
The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,
beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people
during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy
was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian
territories.
The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and
their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.
The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and
perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian
Government.
The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were
Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,
Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.
Source: "Bristol Papers", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.
"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in
the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly
defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Secrecy in Clipper Chip
The serial number of the clipper chip is encrypted with the system key and
transmitted as one part of a three part message.
Presumably the protocol can be recovered (if by nothing else, differential
analysis).
Postulate if you will, a chip (or logic) sitting between the clipper chip
and its communications channel. The purpose of this chip is twofold:
1) Transmit Channel
The spoof chip XORs the 30 bit encrypted serial number with
a secondary keying variable. This renders the serial number
unrecoverable with just the system key
2) Recieve Channel
The spoof chip XORs the incoming encrypted serial number
with a secondary keying variable (assuming the serial number
is necessary for local operation).
This has the net result of hiding the serial number. This gets more
interesting when the number of serial numbers issued becomes large,
making it difficult to distinguish between valid serial numbers and
a spoofed serial number. Without knowing the system key, you could
lie about the serial number, but risk detection of the lie.
IF you had the system key and the encryption algorithm you could
successfully lie with a lower probability of detection by emulating the
format of your own serial number.
Makes you wonder whats being hidden here? Seems like the secrecy is
to prevent you from lying about who you are.
| 11sci.crypt |
Are 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same magazine (name change in recent
years)?
If not: Could someone post the address to 'Moody Monthly'?
:)avid
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes:
> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>
> > Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however,
> > that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car.
> >
> >Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for
> >just the amplifier.
>
> It is too possible. As the original poster said "it is very unlikely"
> but definately possible. (Can you say batteries?)
I've even seen pictures of an installation where the ham pulled a little
trailer behind his car with a 4KW generator, and ran the full legal limit
while mobile. I don't know what his gas mileage was like, though, or
where he found resonators able to stand the gaff.
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1qp5juINNgu5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
> In article <1993Apr14.135948.3024@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>,
> tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) said:
>
>> A good case? A F**KING GOOD CASE? The defense lawyer asked the victim
>> questions like "what kind of sexual perversions do you participate
>> in?" and you think he made a good case?????
>
> Speaking as someone who's only about six weeks and a $6,900 tuition bill
> away from becoming an unemployed slob with a law degree, I'd really like
> to see a transcript of this trial. I'd especially like to know what
> happened immediately after the defense attorney asked that question
> (assuming that the reports that he did so are accurate... I'm not
> accusing Tom Farrell of making anything up, but this _is_ the sort of
> case that spawns garbled misquotes, false rumors and urban legends like
> tribbles). It'd be nice to think that the prosecutor objected
> (irrelevant, prejudicial, inflammatory... take your pick) and that the
> judge upheld the objection.
>
I did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case. (They
were talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips). Immediately
after the defense attorney asked the question, there was an "Objection!" heard
in the background. The clip ended at that point so I don't know if the
objection was upheld. I can't imagine NC is *that* bad.
>> The arresting officer said the bastards told him they did it on
>> purpose and hoped the victim would die, and you think the defense made
>> a good case????? No wonder we're losing! We're aparently not trying
>> to win!
>
> Again, I'd like to see the transcript... I'd read the latter bit of that
> in the news media (the arresting officer testifying that one of the
> defendants calmly asked him about the condition of the "homo" and said
> that he hoped he'd die) but this is the first I've heard of the officer
> testifying that one of the defendants actually said that he did anything
> at all, let alone that he did it on purpose.
>
This I didn't hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on
news stories both during and after the trial. Now the "we did it on purpose"
thing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming. If
somebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to
clarify.
Frank
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CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University)
"There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party:
somebody else's place."
--P.J. O'Rourke
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I have some questions about this subject. I like to leave my
computer on if I think I'm going to be using it withing the next 2 or
3 hours, but I get sick of my Dad constantly coming up to me and
asking "Why is the computer on if you're not using it?" I also
wonder about my computer being harmed by fluctuations in voltage from
other things (garbage disposal, etc.) Here are my questions:
How much harm do voltage fluctuations cause? My computer does not
share a circuit with anything big but our my light dims when a
refrigerator comes on or the garbage disposal is turned on (whose
doesn't?), and also when the washing machine does anything. All
these things cause a drop in voltage which is harmful to a computer,
right? I also notice the fan in my System Saver turning at different
speeds. Is it safer to turn it off and back on when I want to use it
or to leave it on?
How much electricity does my computer use? I have an Apple IIgs (ne
flames), with a Kensington System saver GS (1 electric fan inside),
an AppleColor RGB monitor, and an EXTERNAL 3.5" HD (1 fan and its own
P/S). How do I translate this into Kilowatt-Hours? Also, how much
of this is used by the monitor?
Does the monitor use considerably less juice when the screen is
totally black but still on?
Many computers spin the HD up and down constantly to save power. I
always thought this was harmful to the HD and defeats the purpose of
leaving the computer on in the first place (except portables). Is
this true?
Thanks for the Info. I think this will help lots of people.
Stacy
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
ludes@hubcap.clemson.edu (Larry "Ludes" Ludwig) writes:
> [stuff deleted about Microsoft]
> bferrell@ant.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) writes:
> >If you think that windows is useable, you must not use it much. Windows
> >version of "crash protection" is wearing a helmet while computing. The arir
> >(air) bag is an expensive add-on.
> >Brett
> You must of read too many OS/2 advertisements. "Crash Protection" is such
> a marketing gimick, it isn't funny.. Out of 4 months of using Windows on my
> new machine I've only had it crash ONCE, and I don't have a "run of the mill"
> configuration.
Wow, what did you use it for? Single-tasked word processing?
I have 8 files loaded right now and a 29-MB virtual machine (12MB of
RAM). My friend down the street gripes that he can't even format a
floppy in the background. Many unix people love OS/2 because they are
used to multi-tasking systems.
> Microsoft is not a leader in innovation, but they certainly know how to
> build a better mousetrap. Now, what's wrong with that??
Too bad they hold a gun to the mouse piper while they
throw mice at their "new" trap, trying to get it to work. :)
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|kenton+@CMU.EDU | OS/2 FIXES BROKEN WINDOWS |
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes:
>Anyone interested in adopting British Telecom's quantum encryption scheme?
>They've demonstrated it over a 10 km link. It automatically detects
>wiretapping.
Can you tell us more?
-pooka
| 11sci.crypt |
frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) writes:
>Well I was wrong. As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could
>think was "big". Then I put one foot up. "Heavy" came to mind very
>quickly. With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back? Hard to
>tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
>nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.
It is heavy, the 91 is mid 600's dry, that is the one major drawback
of the ST.
>By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear. Even
Can you say " tourque monster" The test drive sold me on the bike,
lot's of bite anywhere above 2500 in any gear.
>on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that
Did you trythe ABS/TCS version?
>Cindy has no difficulty with speed. 3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
>in top gear. This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk. Lane
>changes were a new experience. A big heft is required to move this
>thing. Responds well though. No wallowing or complaint. Behind the
>fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was
After market fairing windshield for 100.00 raises the bubble 6 inches
above most heads, but hurts the looks of the bike.
>non-trivial. Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
>Smooth, smooth, smooth. Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
>but it is pleasant.
This is the essence of the bike, move the throttle and itr accelerates
any gear anywhere anytime, I frequently find myself at the DOD min
during a casual passing maneuver.
>The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
>brakes. Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
>decreasing radius turn. A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.
This is a function of the weight, you have to be aggresive with the brake
squeze, actually as tested by Cycle world and an expert rider the ST
stopped faster then the comparable models from BMW, and YAMAHA even with
the extra weight and Gas .
>The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban. The ST works ok
>in this section, but it shows its weight. We went by the clam shack
You must countersteer the ST for every turn and movement short
of the classic pothole wiggle. Just forget ever leaning into a
turn again. It must be countersteered into every turn and then
responds nicely.
>About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
>for "hold on tight". Head check left, time to find redline. Second
>gear gives a good shove. Third too. Fourth sees DoD speed with a
>short shift into top. On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
>traffic. Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
>Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok. Tried some high effort
>lane changes, some wide sweeping turns. Time to wick it up? I went
>until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat. And stayed
>there. When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering,
>I looked down to find an indicated 135mph. Not bad for 2-up touring.
Faster then I've ever gone, I 'd hate to buy this bike after your
short "break in period"
>to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
>out front. Heavy. It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
>the thing on the center stand. I am sure that if I used the side
>stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.
Not true, the side stand is well designed for the weight and will hold
the bike nicely on dirt. I am able to easily get the bike up on
the center stand, just step down on the stand instead of pulling
up on the bike.
>My demo opinion? Heavy. Put it on a diet. Smooth, comfortable,
>hardly notices the DoD speed. I'd buy on for about $3000 less than
>list, just like it is. Too much $ for the bike as it is.
Keep looking the 91 left overs if available are going for 72-7700.
I love mine and I haven't found a better value then the ST for 7500.
remember you get 3 years unlimited mileage warranty.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr20.173652.762@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran) writes:
|> I would like to know if any one had any experience with having
|> on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power
|> lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design.
|> any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers
|> are appreciated.
DEC did this on their new alpha chip. I'm sure you could call them up
and ask them how they did it (haha).
Actually, there are some details in their article in IEEE Journal of
Solid-State Circuits. I think it was sometime around Nov. 1992.
--andy s.
| 12sci.electronics |
kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
> Neither I, nor Webster's has ever heard of Francis Hitchings. Who is he?
>Please do not answer with "A well known evolutionist" or some other such
>informationless phrase.
He is a paleontologist and author of "The Neck of the Giraffe". The
quote was taken from pg. 103.
Jack
| 0alt.atheism |
I'm interested in a center channel for my home theater. If yu have one
and would be interested in selling one please let me know. Thanks. Prefer
ably an Infinity or Polk Audio.
| 6misc.forsale |
Stanley Cup Playoff stats through games played Sunday, April 25 1993
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Top 20 Point Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates
2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
3 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
3 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine
9 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
9 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure
9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev
9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden
9 6 2 4 1 0 0 0 2 CAN BUF C 10 Dale Hawerchuk
9 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney
9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
9 6 2 4 0 0 0 1 6 CAN CAL C 25 Joe Nieuwendyk
9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
9 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
Top 10 Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
4 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
4 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
4 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk
4 5 4 1 1 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS RW 8 Cam Neely
4 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson
4 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young
Top 10 Assist Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates
2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine
4 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour
4 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
4 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis
Top 10 Power-play Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
3 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
3 5 2 3 2 0 0 0 6 CAN STL LW 19 Brendan Shanahan
3 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson
3 4 2 2 2 0 0 0 2 TCH CAL C 26 Robert Reichel
3 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne
3 3 2 1 2 0 1 0 6 CAN MON LW 25 Vincent Damphousse
All the Short-handed Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
1 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
1 4 3 1 0 1 1 0 4 USA CAL C 29 Joel Otto
1 4 2 2 0 1 0 0 6 USA CAL D 20 Gary Suter
1 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov
1 2 1 1 0 1 0 0 10 CAN BOS C 19 Dave Poulin
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 CAN WIN C 38 Luciano Borsato
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN DET LW 11 Shawn Burr
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN STL LW 10 Dave Lowry
1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 USA BUF RW 18 Wayne Presley
Top 10 Game-winning Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
1 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
1 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney
1 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young
5 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure
5 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev
5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden
5 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk
5 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
Top 5 Point Scoring Defensemen
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis
Top 4 Rookie Point Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
33 4 3 1 0 0 1 0 8 USA PIT C 15 *Shawn McEachern
33 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne
33 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 TCH BUF D 42 *Richard Smehlik
Top 5 Penalty Minute Leaders
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 26 CAN DET LW 55 Keith Primeau
2 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov
3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 CAN NYI D 47 Richard Pilon
4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 21 CAN TOR RW 12 Rob Pearson
4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 21 CAN WIN RW 20 Tie Domi
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* __ ______________ ____________________________________ %
% \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! *
* \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ %
% \ ________/ *
* \ _______/ Joe Ashkar %
% \ \ Contact for the Blues *
* \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu %
% (___) BLUES *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r7utbINNgoc@bigbird.williams.edu>, 96csw@williams.edu writes:
| And, like Paul, I do value life over possessions- and therefore would
| continue the argument that:
| LIFE + Hard Times + CHANCE for happiness
|
| is GREATER than
|
| Non-existence + no Hard Times + no CHANCE for happiness
And I "therefore would continue the argument that" [sic]:
Menstruation == murder
and contraception == killing.
After all, non-existence is less than life, so it's our duty to
bring all possible potential beings into existence, or at least
to try.
Men! Have you had unprotected sex today with as many fertile
women as possible? If not, why not? Women! Did you menstruate
without attempting to conceive this month? You murderesses!
In Holtsingerian terms, a total ban on contraception is the
logical consequence of pro-life reasoning.
Followups to talk.abortion.
---
C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us
"In Melbourne, Fla., meanwhile, anti-abortion marchers rallied to
celebrate the death of Dr. David Gunn. "Praise God!" they shouted."
(NY Daily News, Fri. March 12, p. 20)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5sAD7.1DM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
> In <1993Apr20.004119.6119@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
> writes:
>
>>[reply to cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)]
>>
>>>If morals come from what is societally accepted, why follow that? What
>>>right do we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally
>>>mandated morality? Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your
>>>"brother" and say that I was exercising my rights as I saw them, was
>>>doing what felt good, didn't want anyone forcing their morality on me,
>>>or I don't follow your "morality" ?
>>
>>I believe that morality is subjective. Each person is entitled to his
>>own moral attitudes. Mine are not a priori more correct than someone
>>elses. This does not mean however that I must judge another on the
>>basis of his rather than my moral standards. While he is entitled to
>>believe what his own moral sense tells him, the rest of society is
>>entitled to pass laws spelling out punishments for behavior that is
>>offensive to the majority.
>
> Why? How? Might makes right? How can they force their morality on me? Why
> can't I do what I want? Who are they to decide? What if I disagree?
Well I agree with you in the sense that they have no "moral" right to inflict
these rules, but there is one thing I might add: at the very least, almost
everybody wants to avoid pain, and if that means sacrificing some stuff for a
herd morality, then so be it.
>>
>>Most criminals do not see their behavior as moral. The may realize that
>>it is immoral and not care. They are thus not following their own moral
>>system but being immoral.
>
> Good point, but it is being immoral in our opinion. We don't let them choose,
> we make the decision that their actions are wrong for them.
Right, and since they grew up and learned around us, they have some idea of our
right and wrong, which I think must, in part, be incorporated. Very rarely do
you see criminal behaviour for "philosophical reasons"
>
> For someone to lay claim to an alternative
>>moral system, he must be sincere in his belief in it and it must be
>>internally consistent. Some sociopaths lack an innate moral sense
>
> I admit to lean toward the idea of an innate moral sense, but have little basis
> for it as of yet. How far can such a concept be extended?
>
(stuff deleted)
> Do you mean that we could say it would be wrong for us to do such a thing but
> not him. After all, he was behaving morally in his own eyes and doing what he
> chose. On what basis do we condemn other societies besides, here's the buzz
> words, on the idea that there are some actions wrong for all humans in all
> societies?
>
>> Holding that morality is subjective does not mean
>>that we must excuse the murderer.
>
> Why not? Do we have to be objective suddenly?
>>
>>David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
>>This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
>>must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
>
> MAC
> --
> ****************************************************************
> Michael A. Cobb
> "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois
> class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana
> -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
>
> Nobody can explain everything to anybody. G.K.Chesterton
--
best regards,
--Adam
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* Adam John Cooper "Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings *
* (612) 696-7521 who thought themselves good simply because *
* acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws." *
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| 0alt.atheism |
>>>>> Regarding Re: SUMMARY: virtual mouse in ol{v}wm;
>>>>> euamol@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Larsson) adds:
: VirtualGrabKeys is not an OW resource. It belongs to olvwm(1).
Not only that, the olvwm(1) (version3.3) man-page says it's called
GrabVirtualKeys " (Boolean)"
This resource controls whether the keys below marked as
involving grabs will be active or not. If this
resource is set to False, then none of the bindings
marked below with an asterisk will ever be active.
Default value: True
| 5comp.windows.x |
Does anybody have an idea how to model a tunnel diode on SPICE?
Thank you.
Martin Krajci mkrajci@wilkes1.wilkes.edu
| 12sci.electronics |
In a previous article, rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) says:
>
>|>>This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the
>|>>fires being set "six hours after the tear gas was injected." Suppose you
>
>|How would the Fed snipers have been able to witness the BDs setting the
>|fire (as is claimed) through all that tear gas?
>
>I actually heard one report which claimed that infrared cameras saw
>the Branch Dividians setting the fires... now, you'll have to excuse
Yeah sure. Maybe thermal GUNSIGHTS on the armored vehicles. When
discussing military hardware and weapons, the media generally looks like
a ufology convention.
>my scepticism, but I find it quite strange that ANYONE would be operating
>a thermal viewer during a daytime battle. It would be unusual in the
>sense that the Federales combat operation - gassing the BD with "CS2,"
>whatever that is (Is this the infamous "BZ" hallucination gas?), from
CS is merely the garden variety military teargas. As far as it being
"humane and harmless", I've seen teenage boys knock 200lb. drill
sergeants flat getting away from it....
>I am pretty sure that newly-born religious groups will study these
>FBI tactics and build anti-armor barricades and tank traps to make
>"Next Time!" a lot bloodier for the Federales...
>
What do you expect when idiots and criminals confirm paranoids in their
paranoia...?
--
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If you were smarter, you'd have these opinions....
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
The following was published in the May 15th Rocky Mountain News. I
guess I have some REAL ethical problems with the practices at this
church. I understand that Baptism is an overriding factor. I also
understand that this is not an honest way to proceed. Unfortunately,
this is becoming more typical of congregations as the Second Coming is
perceived to approach.
There is a real element of disparation in this 'make it happen at any
cost' style of theology. I wonder where TRUST IN THE LORD fits into
this equation?
Baptisms draw parents' ire -- Children at church carnival in Springs
told they'd be killed by bee stings if they didn't submit to religious
rite.
By Dick Foster -- Rocky Mountain News Southern Bureau
Colorado Springs -- Outraged parents say their children were lured to
a church carnival and then baptixed without their permission by a
Baptist minister.
Doxens of children, some as young as 8 years old and unaccompanied by
their parents, thought they were going to a carnival at the
Cornerstone Baptist Church, where there would be a big water fight,
free balloons, squirt guns and candy.
Before that May 1 carnival was over, however, children were whisked
into a room for religious instruction and told they should be
baptized. In many cases they consented, although they or their
families are not of the Baptist faith.
The baptisms by the church have angered many parents, including
Paulette Lamontagne, a Methodist and mother of twin 8-year-old girls
who were baptized without her knowledge or consent.
'My understnading was they were going to a carnival. I feel that's a
false pretense,' said Lamontagne. Her daughters said the minister
told them they would be killed by bee stings if they were not
baptized.
Cornerstone church officials defended their actions.
'We take our instructions from the word of God and God has commanded
us to baptize converts. No one can show me one passage in the Bible
where it says that parental permission is required before a child is
baptized,' said Dan Irwin, associate pastor of the Cornerstone Baptist
Church.
Church officials did not tell parents their children would be baptized
because 'they didn't ask,' Irwin said.
Many other parents also felt they were simply sending their children
to a carnival at the invitation of their children's friends who were
members of the Cornerstone Church.
Police said chhurch officials had broken on laws in baptizing the
children, but indicated the parents could pursue civil action.
-------------------------------------------
Aren't these the same behaviors we condemn
in the Hari Krishnas and other cults?
[I think the issues are more complex than the newspaper account
mentions. First, I'm not entirely sure that parental consent is
absolutely required. This would be extremely difficult, because of
the clear commandment to obey parents. But if an older child insisted
on being baptized without their parents' consent, I might be willing
to do it. However this would be a serious step, and would warrant
much careful discussion. The problem I find here is not so much
parental consent as that there was nobody's consent. Whether you
believe in infant baptism or not, baptism is supposed to be the sign
of entry into a Christian community. If there isn't a commitment from
*somebody*, whether parent or child, and no intent to become part of
the Church, the baptism appears to be a lie. Furthermore, it is
likely to raise serious practical problems. What if the child is from
a baptist tradition? Normally when he reaches the age of decision, he
would be expected to make a decision and be baptized. But he already
has been, by a church claiming to be a Baptist church. So does he get
rebaptized? Neither answer is really very good. If not, he's being
robbed of an experience that should be very significant to his faith.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr19.131102.7843@rchland.ibm.com>
xzz0280@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (R. J. Traff) writes:
>|> In article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
>|> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
>|> >question is "On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?" Please
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I don't believe most Christians believe they are *above* the Law. However,
>we are not saved by adherence to the Law. The Law exists to tell us what
>is sinful. We all sin.
Hence we are "all" above the Law where "all" in this case refers to
Christians.
>Jews believe that their sins are atoned for with
>blood sacrifice of animals as described in the Old Testament.
When was the last time you heard about a Jewish animal sacrifice?
>Christians
>believe that their sins are atoned for by the blood sacrifice of Jesus.
The blood sacrifice of an innocent man?
>This does not make the Law 'irrelevant'.
Then why don't Christians follow it, why don't they even follow their
own Ten Commandments?
>Breaking the Law *is* sinful,
>and we are to avoid sinful ways, but sinning, by itself, does not jeopardize
>salvation.
So, in short; Hitler is in heaven and Gandhi is in Hell?
>Note that I'm not a theologian. But this is the gist of several
>sermons I've heard lately and some Bible studies I've been through.
Did you ever wonder if someone, perhaps a great deceiver, was pulling
your leg?
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with?
Does anyone know where I might find one salvage?
As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have
the room, I thought I'd carry a spare.
Ride Free,
Bill
___________________________________________________________________
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu prez=BIMC KotV KotRR
DoD #00314 AMA #580924 SPI = 7.18 WMTC #0002 KotD #0001
Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo. What more could anyone ask?
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:
>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:
>>
>>Dear friend,
>> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has
>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase
>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about
>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.
>
>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember
>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.
>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not
>as orthogonal is CISC.
>
>--
>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. |
>| eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au |
>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone
is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out.
Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either,
but that's another story...)
bye!
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Brian "Hojo" Lee | "Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?"
leebr@ecf.toronto.edu |
leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!)
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
what about
qrttoppm < file.dis | ppmtotga > file.tga
??
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| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |
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| 1comp.graphics |
I finally got a 24 bit viewer for my POVRAY generated .TGA files.
It was written in C by Sean Malloy and he kindly sent me a copy. He
wrote it for the same purpose, to view .TGA files using his SpeedStar 24.
It ONLY works with the SpeedStar 24 and I cannot send copies since it is
not my program. I believe the author may release a version at a future
time when the program is more developed. He may or may not comment on
this, as he pleases.
Thanks to all who were helpful.
Regards,
Jim Nobles
| 1comp.graphics |
In <1r2cat$5a9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> :mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
> :
> :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
> :> in Texas.
> :
> :Do YOU eat all your food cold?
>
> Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.
> I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.
Minor quibble: The assualt (and it was one) began near dawn. The fire did
not break out for several hours. I find it highly unlikely that the BD would
be cooking lunch while armored vehicles punch holes in their house and are
pumping in tear gas. The lantern story makes more sense, except the fire
seemed to spread too quickly, even given the nature of the buildings and the
very high winds. And it was daylight, but I guess in the innner recesses it
could be dark--shutters probably closed as well.
Which puts us back to the FBI did it, or the BD did it, or some other screw-
up occured, which is quite possible.
The problem with the FBI as a monolithic entity doing it is that it requires
*everybody* involved to keep their mouths shut. While they tended to behave
like total idiots, that does not make them homocidal maniacs, either. And if
it was one nutcase agent, then it serves no purpose to blame the whole agency.
I can believe that a real nut-case like a Koresh would start such a fire,
but I'm far from convinced he actually did so.
Then again, I rarely go off making blanket condemnations and pronouncments
within 2 hours of a very confusing incident over 175 miles away...
semper fi,
Jammer Jim Miller
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
________________________________________________________________________________
I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help.
"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."
"Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."
---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C51A38.MCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
> Alah, alah, kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni de la malakismenos kolo-Tourkos ...
> Likkleserfelc ekmek salam. Toukoutakli, ranadas sarma.
> Geke re? Ti, eipate yok? Plaka numarani alalim kanw re...
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
pp. 267-268.
"Van'dan sonra ilk isyan Sebinkarahisar'da basladi. 1915 senesi 5
haziran da, Sivasli Murat [Hamparsum Boyaciyan - sa] denilen bir
caninin emri altinda 500 kadar cete Sebinkarahisari basti. Burasi o
zaman en onemli askeri bir yerdi. Erzurum bolgesinde Rus ordusu ile
savasan Osmanli Ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekte idi.
Ermeniler boyle onemli bir yer isgal ettikleri takdirde Turk
ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ve Rus Ordularinin harekati
kolaylasacakti. Sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen atese
verildi. Her rastlanan Turk iskence ile olduruldu.
Mus'da ayni sekilde isyan devam ediyordu. Sason daglari Ermeni
eskiyalariyla dolu idi. Bu isyanlari, ordunun arkasini vurmak ve Rus
Ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin Ermenilerin pasa dedikleri Rupen
idare ediyordu. Bundan baska, Rus Ordularinin Rus - Turk sinirindan
gecerek Turk topraklarina girdikleri bu safhada Rus Ordusu icinde
bulunan Ermeni gonullu alaylariyla Rus Ordularinin isgali altina giren
Ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk, Turk koylerine hucum ederek bu
koyleri yakip yikmislar ve Turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim ve
iskence ile oldurmulerdir.
p. 285.
"Bu suretle sehirde 23 gun cok kanli olaylar cereyan etti, bu sure
sonunda Van, Ermeniler tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu. Buradan
kacabilen Turklerin, Ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri
haberler tuyler urpertici idi. Cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmus,
kadinlarin irzina gecmis, Turk kadin ve kizlarini bazi evlerde
topladiktan sonra buralarini Genelev haline getirmislerdir. O zaman
Van'da 1500 kadar kadin ve cocuktan baska Turk kalmamis, bunlari da
oradaki Amerikalilar korumustur. Sehir bastan basa harab olmus, carsi
kamilen yanmisti."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr2.050451.7866@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU
(Tim Cuffel) writes:
>How about this. I create a bunch of sets of random data, and encrypt it. I
>keep only one of the sets of random data around, to show that I encypt random
>data for kicks. The rest, I delete with their keys. I tell all my friends.
>I think this establishes reasonable doubt about the contents of any encrypted
>files, and my ability to provides keys. Since anyone could do this, any law
>that forces a user to provide keys on demand is worthless.
The law is much worse than worthless. It gives police the power to put
innocent people in jail because they (the police) find something they don't
understand. Most police don't know what the return key does, never mind the
difference between a core file and classified military secrets.
There are plenty of scenarios where the user would have no idea what something
is either. It could be uninitialized junk. The burden of proof is on the
user to show that it's something a normal upstanding citizen should have. No
one should ever be put in that situation, especially in America.
What's disgusting about this is how easily most people go along with it, to
provide a bargaining chip against some hypothetical *alleged* child molester
or drug dealer, or whatever bad thing is in style at the time. Basically most
people don't have a clear distinction between criminals and suspects.
As an analogy, it's like they find a loose screw in your house, and they
insist that you're building a bomb or machine gun. They ask you where it came
from (like you'd know), and ask you to prove your claim. When you explain it
in such simple terms, people may start to get the idea.
As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is,
without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random
bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is
pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need.
If you think about it, there's no point in actually encrypting random data,
because it just gives you different random data. If you want some data to
look like an encrypted file, you just put an appropriate header on it. If
enough people do this, some of them will be put in jail.
When you get arrested and the police ask for your keys, you can tell them it's
just random junk, although of course they won't believe you. While you're
sitting in jail, you can take consolation in the fact that the government will
burn a few CPU-years trying to find something that's not there.
--
Joe Keane, amateur cryptologist
jgk@osc.com (uunet!amdcad!osc!jgk)
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr20.102857.1@tesla.njit.edu>, drm6640@tesla.njit.edu says:
>
>DON MATTINGLY IS THE BEST FIRST BASEMAN IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL.....ALWAYS
>HAS BEEN.....ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why?
bob vesterman.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Could someone please send instructions for installing simms and vram to
jmk13@po.cwru.edu? He's just gotten his 700 and wants to drop in some
extra simms and vram that he has for it.
Thanks... and don't reply to me, reply to jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joe)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes:
>I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is
>to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with
>the display going to their screens.
>You'll need to get:
>DESQview/X v 1.1
>DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail
>DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail
>
>You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP,
>Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside,
>Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager)
>
>if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a
>copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager.
>
>You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com.
>
>In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running
>applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM.
>Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000
>(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things
>ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is
>my experience only
>
> Good Luck and Best Wishes
> Phil
What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find
out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running
DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response
time. Anyone have any ideas ??
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli) writes:
>In <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:
>>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double
>>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.
>
>See:
> Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,
> "A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves",
> ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.
I've used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their
original tech report:
Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,
"Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"
Xerox EDL-88-8, December 1988
This report can be obtained for free from:
Xerox Corporation
Palo Alto Research Center
3333 Coyote Hill Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
+1-415-494-4440
The TOG paper was good, but this tech report had more interesting details ;-)
-john
| 1comp.graphics |
Robert MacElwaine sez (again!);
> LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics
> etc.
OK, I got it. Actually, these message of MacElwaine's are coded messages.
Read only the caps, and it all comes clear!:
> Are a few more types of anti-matter atoms worth the $8.3
> BILLION cost?!! Don't we have much more important uses for
> this WASTED money?!
> Another thing to consider is that the primary proposed
> location in Texas has a serious and growing problem with some
> kind of "fire ants" eating the insulation off underground
> cables. How much POISONING of the ground and ground water
> with insecticides will be required to keep the ants out of
> the "Supercollider"?!
>
> Naming the "Super Collider" after Ronald Reagon, as
> proposed, is TOTALLY ABSURD! If it is built, it should be
> named after a leading particle PHYSICIST.
Maybe it's a message telling us what actually happened to the legendary
Larson. Perhaps it's a warning that one should not expend too much
effort trying to counter MacElwaine's postings. Who can be sure? :-)
-Tommy Mac
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Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \ They communicated with the communists,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \ and pacified the pacifists. -TimBuk3
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| 14sci.space |
|> In article <1993Apr5.220457.6800@spdc.ti.com> dwhite@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Dan White) writes:
|>
|> >However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms?
|>
|> > It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a
|> >gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely
|> >restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot
|> >carry in your car except when "traveling" which is usually defined as
|> >"traveling across a county line." How did this come about? Are there
|> >any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a
|> >weapon outside the home?
|>
In Texas, it is legal to carry handguns while "traveling", and also to and from
sporting activities. ^^^^^^^^
Chapter 46 of the Texas State Penal Code does NOT restrict long guns.
Therefore, it is legal to carry and transport long guns any place in Texas.
Regards,
Clay
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I also experience this kinda problem in my 89 BMW 318. During cold
start ups, the clutch seems to be sticky and everytime i drive out, for
about 5km, the clutch seems to stick onto somewhere that if i depress
the clutch, the whole chassis moves along. But after preheating, it
becomes smooth again. I think that your suggestion of being some
humudity is right but there should be some remedy. I also found out that
my clutch is already thin but still alright for a couple grand more!
| 7rec.autos |
In article <Apr.19.05.14.08.1993.29279@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
> I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition,
>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no
>reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad
>enough.
> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think
>that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus
>with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements
>as metaphorical.
Phew! That takes a load off. I don't want to live forever. I wish
most Christians held this view. You can't walk across campus in
spring without being assailed by fire-and-brimstone preachers. I
really think the metaphor should be limited, at least with respect to
teaching our children. It's criminal to put these ideas into a young
and trusting mind. Besides, why not rely on the positive aspects of
your religion to win their faith?
-Tim
______________________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, |
| BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a |
|=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. |
| PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza |
| MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] |
|_______________________________|______________________________________________|
________________________________________________________________________________
| 15soc.religion.christian |
>>>Just because someone else loves sitting in shit and throws some at
>>>you doesn't mean you have to get in a shit fight. [...]
>>>Let this little cadre of
>>>verbal bigots and mentally-challenged idiots talk to themselves.
>>
>>Hear, hear! If everyone followed this rule, tpm would consist
>>entirely of Arab apologists howling at the moon all by themselves.
They are not related to you to howl.
Nabil
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a
KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote:
[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much..
I am your alter-ego!
[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ??
No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me?
[KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit.
In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like
what I write either prove me wrong, shut up, or simply fade away!
[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying "DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!"...
No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to
bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me?
[KAAN] See ya in hell..
Wrong again!
[KAAN] Timucin.
All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was
so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place!
Don't kill the messenger!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I am currently in the throes of a hay fever attack. SO who certainly
never reads Usenet, let alone Sci.med, said quite spontaneously "
There are a lot of mushrooms and toadstools out on the lawn at the
moment. Sure that's not your problem?"
Well, who knows? Or maybe it's the sourdough bread I bake?
After reading learned, semi-learned, possibly ignorant and downright
ludicrous stuff in this thread, I am about ready to believe anything :-)
If the hayfever gets any worse, maybe I will cook those toadstools...
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The floggings will continue until morale improves
pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand
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| 13sci.med |
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