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and my father works in films and such, and I tend to, tend to be hypercritical of these things, and then, perhaps, perhaps it's unfair, because I, I, I must admit I enjoy these movies Yeah, right. and that's what they're for, but I don't, don't remember them, and I think it's, I think, I can think of movies I have less...
they leave, yeah, they leave, they leave some songs with you, I don't know what it is Uh-huh. but it just, I mean, I don't know if this is old fart talking here or something, because I'm not that old No, it could be. you know, those old movies seemed to have had something that, uh, that was memorable somehow, Uh-huh. I...
nice talking with you. Are you calling from Texas, by the way? No, I'm in California . Oh, okay, the first person I've talked to outside of Texas. Yeah, there must be Texas people, as near as I can tell. Well. Yeah, okay, well, thank you very much. Okay, well, I'm from the . Bye-bye. All right, bye-bye. Okay, we're rol...
what, what would you, what would, has your experience lead you to advise, uh, if my child were thinking of going to the Air Force Academy, what would you say? Well, I'd encourage it. Uh-huh. It's a good general education for a, a bachelor's degree. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And obviously, and obviously it's where they don't have...
how do you feel that is for someone at, at that phase in their life? Well, the for some people, it's good because they maybe they need a little discipline, need a little reining in at that, that stage in their life. Uh, other people, it, uh, it's, uh, suffocating, Uh-huh. you know, you kind of choke on it Uh-huh, uh-hu...
Oh, that's good. Uh, I couldn't, you couldn't do it otherwise. Oh, I mean I know people that graduated, or that I went to high school with that went to civilian colleges and they, they've got twenty, thirty thousand dollar debts, I mean you could have, uh, Yeah, I think if there's any major piece of advice I'd give, is...
I mean they, they, they are it is a select, college. Yes, yes, I know. I was actually, I I was thinking of trying to get a job there I heard of it. Oh, yeah. But, you're talking incredible tuitions now. Uh-uh. I don't know how many people actually pay the whole shot. Very few I would imagine. Yeah. But, uh, I get, I ju...
and, uh, I, Uh-huh. even as a somebody making twice what I was making, how could you put half of that into, to your child's education Uh-huh. and then just when they make, made, make it to the college years it's, Yeah, yeah. My God, I can't imagine. Well, my, my real feeling about, about the purpose of undergraduate ed...
as you said for someone who, you know, a more, you know, who needs to learn self-discipline and so forth would be appropriate for them. Or, it's also a good environment, it may be good for someone who already has self discipline, who has a certain amount of leadership quality in their own, that, Yeah, and want to devel...
Exactly, it's I find it kind of sad, I really do. It is. It really is that they haven't found anything, anything better that, uh, or their, their experiences haven't been broadened at all, to, to you know, you know, Uh-huh. it's, it's a, it's a tremendous thing when you sit in a, in a college environment and discuss so...
the, the one thing I think that's no good for anyone is these monster institutions. These institutions of thirty thousand students and such. Oh I, And I see some freshmen wandering around in there and they're they're just like, you know, someone from the country lost in the big city, I mean, they, they, Yeah. I don't s...
so, Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if you're alienated, I mean I see people at supposedly really good universities who are just having psychological problems, that, you think this isn't sinking in. Yeah. Well, I, I've seen more graduates from M I T and that, Uh-huh. being, I work in a, in a an Air Force laboratory and so we'...
Yeah, and they have their own quirks and tolerances and, you know, certain things that don't bother us at all, that would drive other people nuts Yeah. and then certain things that ways, things we do, the way we do it that drive other people nuts that, Right, right, sure. But, these M I T grads are off in their absolut...
Well, I, I had known a lot of undergraduates who pick schools because they want the best reputation for a school. Not realizing that the reputation for M I T is because of the, of the doctorate research, and the professors who go there, Right. Right. and you're not going to see the professors Nope. you know, you're goi...
Right. or the, the military itself, it's the future officer corps and so, I hear horror stories from friends of mine that they could never see their instructors, they could never get extra help. Uh-huh. For me any time I needed extra help any time of the day I had all my instructors home phone numbers Uh-huh. Uh-huh. a...
you'd you know, teaching is third down on the list of importance things and, Right, right. Publish first, and the yeah, and, and that's appropriate if the university is trying to do serious research, because it's hard to be a researcher and a teacher at the same time. Right. So I'd say go to a, go to a college that has...
Well, uh, normally I like to, to go out fishing in a boat, and, uh, rather than like bank fishing, and just like to try and catch anything that's swimming, because I've had such problems with trying to catch any type of fish, that, uh, I just really enjoy doing the boat type fishing. So, you like fresh water. Uh-huh. U...
Uh-huh. Oh I bet it is. There's so many different ways to catch fish. Uh-huh. You know, at night you can go walking in the shallows, and gig flounder and things like that. Which isn't technically fishing, but it's a lot of fun. Uh-huh. So, I, I grew up fishing. Uh-huh. What area of lakes do you like? Well, uh, now, I h...
Uh, I want to call it Salt Fork, or Lake Fork. I, I can't remember, but he said it's one of the best bass fishing places. Oh, oh, oh, uh, I think I know where, uh, Lake Caddo, or something like that. I, you know, that may be it. That may be it. If it's supposed to be one of the best bass fishing places. They hold tourn...
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I just, I, I, I don't see it. Yeah. I just, I don't I think that I perhaps would let them have the boat or something, I'd make some quick arrangements That's true. and I've told so many stories about the snakes Uh-huh. you know, when they pull in, there's a snake instead of a fish, and things like that ...
Uh, so, because it's always been, you know, in the, on a lake, and, uh, I know they have bigger fish than that but, you know, three and a half pounds, and that was, huge for me, Oh, on a lake, yeah. On a like that's not a bad size fish. *listen; transcript should probably read "lake" not "like" yeah, that's a good size...
Yeah. It's not a treat Uh-huh. it's what you do every day. That's right. You know. That's right. Uh, one of my favorite things was, we were forever catching crab and steaming them you know, out on the, on the beach and you know, just, uh, pitching them out, on, uh, on, uh, what am I trying to say, newspaper and, and, b...
Right. Well, do you live like along, uh, Houston, down there? No, no. I live in Dallas. I lived in Dallas. oh, okay. But you, uh, We had a house in Port Aransas. Oh okay. It's a little fishing village that is, Corpus. That's close to, uh, South Padre. Well, uh, South Padre is on down the bend Oh Corpus. Okay. Okay. Oka...
Small island. Yeah. Uh, Yeah. I, I've been to Port Aransas but, it was when I was a child. Oh, okay. Yes, because I have relatives who live in Houston, so when would go, and we would go to Port Aransas or then, on down to Corpus or further, yeah, like what your talking about. Because I was just wondering, we went to Ga...
and that, that's true, uh, uh, you know, the, the water was murky, and I would hate to think about catching fish or anything there Huh-uh. huh-uh, no I wouldn't want to eat them. No, So, no, no. Yeah. You went to Galveston. Uh, I have a favorite hotel that extends out over the water Uh-huh. the, uh, what is it, the Fla...
I like that place. Yeah. Yeah. It most certainly is, so, uh, so that, it, it was, it was certain things that were enjoyable about it, but, uh, I don't, I think it's lost a lot of it's appeal since then, because of all the oil spills that they have had, and, uh, it always smelled the entire time we were there. It was, I...
Uh-huh. That's where you swim. You do not swim in the ocean. No. No. No. Not anymore. I've seen what comes out of the ocean, and I have no desire to share, any space with anything like that. But, really, but huge sharks are down there. Uh-huh. I mean incredibly large sharks. Uh-huh. Uh, some of the young dread naughty ...
so, just strung up, their tails would still hang on the bottom of the getties yeah, just, Wow. Wow. Yeah. Now I never knew they were that, that big, huh, I won't have anything to do with. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, it was nice talking to you. Well, it certainly was, uh, Maybe you can get, how many, have you had very many...
Yeah. Almost, almost ever single day from when they started it. Yeah. Maybe I'll just be so lucky. Okay, I enjoyed talking to you. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye Phil, I guess a good question to ask is do you do your own work, or do you like to do it? Yeah, well, I, um, about, or just over a year ago I bought my own house, so ...
so do you have a, do you have a garden, or do you just do your landscaping now and your lawn? Well, it's, yeah, it's, it's primarily just, uh, like landscaping a little bit. You know, I've got some, uh, bushes around the you know, foundation planning, things like that, and then there's some, just some little flower bed...
Yeah. His house is more like a farm house. It's not on a main road. Uh-huh. My house is on a main road, and it has nothing Yeah. I mean, nothing. But, um, what I do do, and I've always done it is, at my father's house, we have, my sister and I have a couple of gardens. I think we figured out total, this is for vegetabl...
Right. so, um, it just happens they built a shopping center next to it Oh, jeez. but, um, they put up a nice fence, so we still have a lot of privacy, and we grow a lot of food. Uh-huh. Uh, I enjoy it, um, the gardens are kind of old, you have to step down in them now because we've tilled them so much, Uh-huh. but ther...
It's not getting any better. Yeah, I can't even hear what you're Oh, okay. Oh jeez, it's gone. I don't see, I don't think my phone really does that, but every time I have this phone is a little weird, I mean it's been dropped on the floor a hundred times. Well, I don't know, there was well, whatever it was, there was a...
well, I guess we better stick to the subject for the benefit of the people uh, uh, doing this work. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, I mean, that's a heck of a you must have a lot of different stuff you get out of there, especially up in Vermont there, you should have, uh, some really nice soil. Yeah, we grow a lot of, uh, the bas...
Uh-huh. I let her do all the planting and putting, and I, I do a lot of the, uh, a lot of the, the the back work, and stuff. But she does, she helps me a lot, too. Uh-huh. She puts a lot of financial. She plans it all out. Beans like to be near certain types of plants. Now, they find that tomatoes don't do well if you ...
so. I wish I knew more to tell you why, but, Huh. My mom put, uh, cantaloupes and cucumbers near each other once, and the got cross pollinated by the bees Yeah And we ended up with these, these, like things on the cantaloupe vines that, I mean, were looked like round big huge round cucumbers. Oh, that's really weird. Y...
Something weird. Yeah. This year, this last season it was too wet up here Uh-huh. we lost a lot of our root things, our squash and our potatoes, and we got half our yield. Oh, well. It was really bad because of the water. Yeah, when I, my family used to live in Littleton, Massachusetts, and when we moved in there we ha...
Yeah, I have to do that, I want to make some flower beds, and I'm going to have a seven yard truck come in with some top soil. Uh-huh. And I'm going to, my problem is I want to use those rail ties to build up a planter Sure. but I don't know if the creosote in the rail ties is going to do something, you know, if I want...
And I don't know if they make landscape ties that aren't treated. Well, you can get, um, you can get pressurized lumber, Yeah, but they put, some kind of chemicals in there too. Oh, that's right. there's even, there's bad chemicals in those too. Yeah. Well, I'm not really worried about it, it's mainly for flower bed, s...
Yeah, this house that I have is just a three bedroom ranch and I can tell you there's nothing around it, cement foundation all the way around it. Not a shrub, not a bush. Um. There was a lilac tree, and the landlord cut it down and said, Yeah, that's one thing you have to do is keep that lilac bush cut down so it doesn...
And people who do have them, curse. Right. Another thing I have that, um, is weird is the, a locus tree in the back yard. As a matter of fact there's three of them, very badly trimmed, they aren't trimmed at all. Uh-huh. And I can imagine if I had to mow the lawn in the back, which we said we'd do, if the trees hang do...
It's worse than a rose bush. Um. Many times worse, because of course, it's a tree. Oh, a tree is always something very nice to have. Yeah, my dad used to work on them, so I don't think I'll have a problem. My husband will have problems borrowing one. then you got to get him to, if he's going to do it, you've got to twi...
if I got the last local one. Oh, uh-huh, yeah, and sometimes the, the local ones aren't as publicized it seems that, uh, they should be. Yeah, you're not sure where to go and vote and all that. Right, and, uh, there's usually nobody running against, you know, the incumbents. Right, or you don't know what they you know,...
so they think, well, you know, why vote. Right. The lesser of the two evils is how we usually look at it. Yeah, really, especially in Texas Oh, I know it The last gubernatorial race was, oh it was awful. It really was, yeah. So I don't know, I, I, it'll be interesting to see how the next, uh, few years go. Yeah Did the...
and say, huh, you know, why should we vote, then, you know, it could, uh, it could lead to some serious things. Yeah. It also seems like maybe another candidate that nobody wants could slip in if, you know, not enough people are voting. Uh-huh. Right, uh, yeah, we can get, uh, yeah, if we get someone in there like that...
Yeah. And, uh, yeah. Yeah, people will sit home and assume, oh, that guy would never get elected. Uh-huh. Next thing you know, you've got him. Right. If you don't go and vote, then, you know, very good chance that they, they will because a lot of the people like that, they'll strike a chord in something, you know, in s...
He might do a good job. Yeah. I think one thing that maybe would help people vote is if the polls were either open more days, or you could mail it in, or something like, if you have, if you have real strict work hours, and you can only go like at seven in the morning or after work and you have to stand in line for so l...
I voted absentee one year. I really was going to be gone. So, I did it, but, uh, it was nice. I would be tempted to do it again. Well, uh, I recommend it, because you just walk right on in, and there's usually not anybody in line Right. and, uh, you know, that vote's just as good as, you know, the one on election day. ...
and, uh, it's, it's interesting. Yeah, that would be. I usually vote. A lot of times I'll vote a straight party ticket just because I don't take the time to find out what every, you know, other than the major candidates, what they stand for on what issues, Uh-huh. so I'll just trust well, the party kind of goes along t...
No, I guess it'd be best if you knew each person and what they stood for and why and everything. But it gets to the point where, I mean, you've got to have the find the time also to read about the guy and, and be able to find the information about what he stands for. Right, and try to determine if what you read was obj...
and they keep dragging it on, and it could hamper the outcome of an election for the guy that should have won. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so, uh, Yeah, the press has a lot of power. They really do. I, I sometimes think that that should be limited more. Yeah, oh, but, boy you try get into that, you'd really open a can of worms. Oh...
Well, I can't think of anything else really about the polls or voting, to talk about. Well, I enjoyed talking to you. Well, it was good talking to you. All right. Bye. Bye-bye. Okay, so do you all keep a budget? No, we don't. You don't? No, I, I make so much money here at T I that, that we just spend it. And we never h...
Uh, we have a budget, um that works well. Uh-huh. I kind of look at it for more of a, we have a financial, uh, analyst, a finance administrator, I guess, that, that, uh, I guess the financial planners, the training now. We've had it for about four years here. Uh-huh. Got our businesses and, and, and our life in line, h...
These kind of things are about a hundred dollars a year. So you know, these are all equivalent to the monthly budget things. Uh-huh. Some of them are there to pacify situations. And some of them are there to prevent things from happening. Uh-huh. But, uh, I guess we kind of got away from about the last sixteen months a...
and we have a nine and a half year old son, and it's because, you know, we were eighteen when we had him, so, we're, we're kind of looking at this from the other aspect of, we, you know, we have a lot for, to be our age and, you know, just everything, and having the responsibilities we've had on us for, at such a young...
our car payment is equivalent to both of our student loans. So what we want to do is next year keep driving the same cars and, um, pay on the student loans, split that car payment in half and pay, you know, double up payments on both our loans. And it'll work out perfect. Do you have your, uh, loans through the Texas C...
but they are, they'll take any T I non-credit union loan like if you have a fourteen percent loan for a new car. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, really. Uh-huh. One of the secretaries we have down here is paying twelve percent through G M A C or something. Uh-huh. And she's doing it. I mean, it's not like, it's like. Does she have...
You have the clothes on your back, and you might have a car, and that kind of thing. And so, when he, when he started working at T I, we, uh, you know, we really felt like God told us to buy a new car because he had an older car that was going to need to be fixed and high gas. But we got ripped off on it because we wan...
but they, they would have only been about twenty dollars a month higher, and he Oh, really. Yeah, he just told me this last week that he, he said, don't you remember I asked them to finance it at four years and they came back and they said that they had it figured for five and we'd already signed the papers. And I mayb...
Uh-huh. He runs a big, the largest real estate company in Fort Worth debt free. And we really believe in debt free living and debt free car buying and debt free house buying. And if we do take out a loan on a house in the future, what we'll do is pay twice a, twice a month on it, and, because you save a lot in interest...
I can have, this firm will pick up my loan for a six hundred fifty dollar fee. So I can cut that much off the end of, but I'm not interested because we're moving out of the house next year. Oh really. Yeah. But, uh, those are all great. Uh-huh. The, the interesting thing, we're getting ready to have a house built Uh-hu...
man. And if you figure, get with a financial person. Yeah. And you can figure up exactly when like the eighteenth month of a loan, if you make like a four hundred dollar payment over and above your house payment it'll make, uh, Uh-huh. it has a magic with numbers. It, I, it'll shave almost, you know, X number of dollar...
we're going to take someone with us older, and we didn't do any of those things. Somebody you trust. You know, there are so many rip-off artists here in this town. It's, it's, uh, it's really a sin, it really is. Yeah. I got taken on some on firewood. Really. I mean, uh, uh, the guy shorted us a half a cord of firewood...
and then I found that you could get the same machine better for less locally. Not much less, but it was enough less, and I found they locally serviced it. And we just stopped payment on the check. So I hope they don't sue us over it But we never received any merchandise either, so I don't think it would hold Anyway. Oh...
And, uh, when was it, a couple weeks ago I was asked to go to, uh, jury duty I, I wasn't selected but, um, for some of our cases in particular we have, um, very technical cases from time to time because of like our patents and such. Sure. And it's very difficult for lay people for somebody who might just, you know happ...
um Okay, boy. Or, uh, or there should be some way where it could be opted for them not to have a jury. Uh, I was only on one jury ever, so far in my life, Uh-huh. and, uh, it really was a pretty trivial, case and it seemed to me all the time I was thinking of all these people in the courtroom over the case that involve...
I mean, I've been asked twice to go down but I didn't get elected on the panel, but, I know, that, um, for a lot of the civil cases it's rare, I mean, if your a lawyer, um, there, you could be a lawyer who never actually gets into the courtroom there's a lot of attorneys like that, that never get to the courtroom. Some...
I was a witness in a case, in a criminal case. Uh-huh. And it was absolutely horrifying to me how that operated because so much evidence was excluded, and that the jury was never allowed to hear and they convicted the defendant, I, on as far as I could tell, very flimsy evidence and two perjured testimonies. And I knew...
we're kind of, you know, forgetting about them and, I think sometimes that a criminal should kind of, if he breaks law, especially it he's a repeater, the law shouldn't just always cover for him, that some of his rights as should be taken. Well, and then in a lot of, Yeah, in criminal cases, uh, for instance, you can'...
And, you know, it's, it's really annoying when the, I asked the defense attorney later why he didn't bring up all this other trouble the guy had been in. He said that, that was barred, uh, by the court. Um, So, we do have some problems and it seems to me that, uh, maybe it's time to just scrap all the case law and go b...
and the crime was, uh, uh, attempt to commit murder, you know, Um. but they never told us why these people were mad at each other and gee, you know, that's, And you think that would be relevant. Yeah, you know, because they, they told us in school that, you know, crime has to be an intent, you know, has to be not just ...
and, you know, they just haven't done a real complete case here to my thinking. Uh-huh. I don't know that I want to, sit on a jury like that I think so, and I, and you'd still, you know, I want ask some questions here Yeah, that's something I thought would be a very good idea of when juries come in they are told just ...
They aren't testifying really in their own words, Right. Yeah, I can remember, uh, friends of Daddy ... There we go. Okay. Well, uh, what do you think about taxes, do you think we're paying too much? Yes and no. Income tax, no. I, uh, I look at it this way, uh, you've got to pay for the privilege of living here. Uh-huh...
anyway, a, a luxury tax. Yeah. They add it on on to tires and gasoline, cigarettes, liquor. It doesn't bother me any because I've quit drinking and I quit smoking. So, that doesn't bother me but I don't think it's fair. Yeah. It's too, um, um, it's attacking just certain people. How true. Even with the gasoline tax. Ye...
Well, um, I, I think that we probably are paying a little too much tax considering what we're getting for it and how it's being managed and so forth. I mean, I, I think there could be a better system and we would get more for our money. It's totally out of our hands so we don't, we can't really do a whole lot about how...
and, uh, you know, they're studying some obscure bug, you know, in some other part of the world or some such thing, Oh. Uh, yes. and our tax money pays for those things and I think that's wrong. I, I agree and, and, uh, I, I also think we extend too much help to other, uh, countries we need enough help here in this cou...
And, uh, so many billions of dollars here and there and everything and, uh, the next thing you know we'll be turning around just like we did to Poland and say, well, just forget it. Yeah. And I think that's a mistake. Oh, definitely. Somewhere, you know, we have to realize that we can't just keep giving it away. Well, ...
Well, I, I think another thing too that, um, I've had a little contacted with, uh, in regard to taxes let's say that, uh, you have something that the I R S disagrees with or, you know, says, hey, we're not going to allow that. Well, I think they're very unfair in the amount of penalties and interest that they can attac...
Very simple. Give, uh, uh, uh, government employees the average number of, uh, holidays as the, uh, private industry. Yeah. I mean, you think about it now, they, they get about sixteen holidays a year. That's a lot. It sure is. And I think here at TI we get, what is it nine or ten? Well, I haven't counted. I, I would h...
Yeah. Why not get the work out of the people. Yeah. And, well, anyway that would, of course, eventually come back to taxes. But, uh, as far as income tax is concerned, I can't complain too much about it. Uh, I'm single, I have no, uh, dependents or anything, my children are all grown and they're out worrying about thei...
and, and, when you turn, When you turn sixty-five why then you pay the tax on it And then, at a took that away as far as being, and the tax is a lot less. Yeah. But in the mean time you've got your money tide up in a low, relatively low interest bearing investment. I mean, it's not making ten, fifteen percent like a bu...
Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, let me ask you something. Did you get a catalog or something from these people? Yes. You did? Uh-huh. I've, everybody I've talked to has received one but I haven't gotten mine. Uh, I don't know. Um, well, anyway Ellen, it was nice talking to you. You too. And, uh, until next time. Okay. Bye-bye. Good-...
So, and, did he, is he the one that got you connected with us? Uh-huh. Okay. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. You want to punch the button and go? Sure, you ready? Yip Okay. Well, are you going to buy a car soon? Well, it won't be too much longer because my husband and I are both going to retire. And when we retire we're going...
Uh, yeah. Does that make a difference to you? Yeah. It sure does. I really would like to have something like that, and I'm hoping that by you know, that's like, right now, my husband would like for me to buy another vehicle right now. But I keep saying lets put it off, lets put it off, because I'm hoping they'll get so...
I don't know if it was TWENTY-TWENTY, last Thursday or Friday night on, on seat belts? Uh-huh. Did that scare you a little bit? With the lady being thrown out and run over. Uh-huh. You got it. I, I, tell you what, I would not, I would not buy a car that had the seat belt where it was hooked under the door. that really ...
you probably wouldn't have, I might, the problem is I'm really into cars, and so it's not a, uh, for me it's, it's a real, it's a real consideration, uh, uh, and, and, uh, the, but no I probably wouldn't have even though I'm really quite into cars it's, it's probably my main hobby. Right because you always think, I mea...
these people were like paralyzed, and because, it threw them forward, but they were hooked at the waist, and so it like, you know, did something to their spinal cord Yeah. then they were like paraplegics. yeah, you know, ROAD AND TRACK had a, had some articles on, and particularly with, with back seat, uh, with some, w...
Uh, it's, it's a mini van, we've had it, goodness in May will be five years and, uh, they replace the engine at sixty thousand under extended warranty. And the transmission was replaced but they really are nifty, uh, the mini van, it's actually, we had a station wagon before, and it's a foot or two shorter than a, we h...
And when he retires I'm retiring. Well, as soon as I get my quarters in, I'm, retiring period, Uh-huh. that's it, Yeah. you know, no more Well, but, the, did you, did you go to Florida in a van? As though Uh-huh And we wanted to travel, well, that was really nice traveling but you know, I like to know more, I mean, hea...
Uh, shoot I can't even think of the name of it now. What, what was remarkable, this van, even with, the, we have two kids, and we went to Disney World Uh-huh. uh, actually I grew up in Alabama, and I went to see my mother, and then went on down to Disney World, and it got better than, I think twenty-two, twenty-three m...
and it, it, pulls a boat and stuff, but it's, and it, it's got the seats that, and the other thing that is interesting, is it has, uh, rear air conditioning. Uh-huh. And that, that makes a lot of difference in those of us that live in warm climates. Yeah. Well, now, this one that we went in, it did to baby what kind of...
oh those are it has the front and the back and you know, it has the uh, back seat let down into a double, I mean a queen size bed yeah. Yeah. and then it had the two swivels in the middle, and then the two swivel chairs on the front All right. and, I mean it was fantastic, Uh-huh. and it got good gas mileage, but I don...
Yeah. and it would look like it was further back than it was. Yeah but, the little, thing etched in it, say objects are, are closer than they appear or something Yeah, does yours do that too? Yeah. Oh. I was wondering if all vans did that, Well you, you can, you can, uh, install those mirrors, we've got the big side mi...
at first we were going to get a pick up truck, with a camper on the back of it, of it, uh-huh. but then that gas mileage was just atrocious, I mean it's, unreal, Uh-huh. it's, it just practically don't get any. Well, they have got, some of the newer ones they, you know, with the aerodynamic features, you can get pretty...
Yeah. Period. Ford now announced I think in ninety-two, they're going to put, uh, air bags in their, in their vans. Oh that would be good. So, uh, and I think, I, I believe safety, I, I, I, I really do believe in this stuff, uh, and I, I think it can go, , I'm not, the air bags are a good deal but, uh, surprisingly, uh...
but, I think you need that bag to pop out too. Yeah. You know, because I know so many people, here that have been killed in head on collisions, where maybe if they had, had that, that air bag, they may still be walking around. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, I think it's fantastic. I wish they required it in everything. Every new...
Yeah. and then, you know, if you didn't have a car that had one, then your insurance would go up enormously, Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh, I've got to go my son's in a performance tonight, I have to leave, in a couple of minutes. Oh that's okay, Uh, I think we've probably spent a reasonable amount of time. Okay. It was good talk...
it's not my best subject. Really, yeah it's not mine either, but, uh, I know, I know our policy, like in Nicaragua, I am familiar with that because we have, uh, some friends that live on the Nicaraguan border and they are missionaries there and they, they live there and they have to travel by boat forty-five minutes to...
Uh-huh. they just, they take it for granted and it's like we go down there on vacation, it's like oh, how can these people live with these lizards and like bats in their house? Yeah. I think their policy with them that though, is, uh, I don't know, I think, I wish we would have just, I'm not that up on the policy of wa...
because I guess there was a big, big, uh, scam that, that all these guys up. Thousands of servicemen, got caught for running a drug ring. Uh-huh. Yeah. So, it's, it's like everybody is into it, it's just greed. Human greed. Yeah. Interestingly in Honduras, It's very pro-American. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And we have I, my girlf...

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