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but the, some people object to that which I don't mind, no problem at all, you know. Oh, I know that there's several people I've talked to that really have a problem with it and, I'm former military Huh. so you get kind of used to, to going through stuff like that. Yeah, right. You know, you don't pay any attention to it. I mean, Right. once you sign over your soul to Uncle Sam, , you know, you just kind of, kind of blow it off I know. but I know, yeah. I served my time too, yeah. So, I think, I think the people who have, who have been down that route or have had it, to deal with anything like that have learned, you know, it's just one of those things. You just do it and be done with it and don't worry about it. Yeah. But I do know that there are several sites . I didn't,
I wasn't aware that Austin was one of them, but I think Johnson City was one. Oh, did they object too? Yeah, there's, there's several of the cities that have been having real trouble with the issue. And the, but also on things that I'd heard too from a stockholders meeting was that there were people, uh, there were, the same places where they had a real bad problem with people fighting it were also places they had a big bad problem with the drug usage too. Uh-huh. Yeah, well, I'm, I'm all for it. I, uh, it doesn't bother me that whether they do it in high schools or, you know, carry it to wherever you want to carry it really, uh, uh, of course, that would really be a big thing in a public school Uh-huh. but, uh, I'm saying certainly at work I have no problem with it. Uh, uh, and I think it is, they, they found that it's been very low really. Uh-huh. I guess maybe at the locations though, I don't know if they have it done but, done it by location. I don't really know if, uh, they need to publish that really. Oh, I don't think it's a necessary thing to publish it they just need to deal with it and, , on an individual basis. Right. I mean, if they're going to do it, just deal with it and, be done with it. Right.
Right. But I think that was an actually a good thing that happened, uh, I never considered it, I guess, it's an invasion of your privacy but it's something that is for the good of so many people, you know, to, have everyone, uh, take the test right away Uh-huh. and, uh, and hopefully, maybe some people will convince other people that are on drugs that, well, uh, I might as well get off, you know, if I want to stay so, you know, if that was an invasion of privacy maybe it was good. Oh, I, Oh, I think it's a safety factor too because, you know, when people are inebriated, whether it's alcohol or drugs or whatever, they are very unsafe for the, their co-workers, you know, it's like, you know, my father was a fireman Oh, sure. and I can just imagine if, you know, you know, some guy being on drugs they go there and, and, you know, you've got somebody that's supposed to take care of you Right. and they fall, they fall out because of the drug issue, Uh-huh. but the use of drugs or anything like that, will, uh, be a problem. Right. this is, this is a tough one, I don't, really haven't thought about any of this. They had gardening yesterday and all the repairs, and, boy, I could, Okay, what did you buy? A Ford Explorer.
I'm sorry, what? A Ford Explorer. Oh, really. Yeah, one of the new ones. Yeah. And, um, I'd, I'd probably buy another, this is the first American vehicle I've owned. Uh-huh. So I would probably purchase another one, um, I would be more selective in the dealership that I purchased it from but as far as, uh, the quality seems to be there, um, it's quiet, it's, it handles well, um, but I believe I'd get that or a Porsche, one of the two. Oh really? No, not Um, if I had the money, I think I would love to own a, a B M W. And why would that be? I don't know, I, from what, or either that or Mercedes, just because they're put together so well. It seems like they last forever.
What's wrong with the Volvo. Oh, I don't know, they're, they're not as nice looking. Oh. Uh, to me, I don't know, I'm sure there are some that are, but everyone I've seen is kind of plain, but. What, what city are you calling from? Sherman. Oh. Where are you? Up in Dallas. Dallas. Um. Yeah. B M W or Mercedes, yeah, well that's a, that's a, If I had, um, had the money, I mean that's just, I know I never would own one, but, uh, I don't know. I like,
my actual favorite cars were, uh, like the Ford Thunderbirds of nineteen eighty-five. Uh-huh. I really like that body style, but I don't own one of those either What do you presently drive? Uh, Mercury Topaz. Um, fun. Cheap taste, cheap taste in cars, okay Well there nothing wrong with those, uh. They're, they're nice they're nice vehicles, nothing wrong with those. Yeah, It, um, it's just everybody has their own taste, but man the Mercedes are expensive. My wife has a Volvo and it, it's nice, I mean, you know, it's okay an. Sorry I roped on Volvos then Huh? Sorry I roped on Volvos then. Oh no, no, no,
no, no, no, no it, it, I, I kind of wish we would have maybe gone for the G L rather than the D L Oh, is it? See I don't much about them I guess. Yeah, there just safe to just, that's the reason why we mainly got it. We got white and it's the safest four door, you know, it's good for, if you have a family, which we do. Yeah. We just, we just one out and so it's, it's, uh, um, you know, they're kind of low to the ground after driving the Explorer. You know, I presently,
I used to have a two, eighty Z, and I'm a tall guy an, and, uh, they're hard to get around in traffic to see. Really. Because you can't see a car ahead of you, but they're fast as lightning and all that crap. But the Explorer, I mean, you're sitting up on top of everything and you can really see real well. And I just, it's so comfortable So, you're, Uh-huh. what are your feelings about American versus European cars? Um, I like anything besides Japanese. Of course everything has Japanese parts in them anymore. I don't like Japanese cars, Why not. But, uh, European, I don't have any, I mean, those are the kind I usually end up liking the most. American cars, a lot of people say they, they don't last long but I've never had any problem with, um, my Mercury,
or, my my husband has a, uh, Cougar and he's never had any problem with it either, so, I don't know. That's the way it goes, I guess. Well what are your, I guess this is your first time to buy American, so. Yeah, I was real hesitant but it was Yeah. I don't know, uh, I mean, I think European cars are great, course you've got to have metric wrenches and stuff and they're some, some of them are easy to work on. A Volvo, being a four cylinder is very easy to work on. Really. Uh, excellent warranty, I mean, just, unbelievable warranty. And, and, uh, of course, Ford isn't too bad.
I think Chrysler would probably make a good vehicle, uh, but all of it has to do, in my opinion with the service. and the attitude of the service, of the dealership. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't send my dog to buy a car from Middlekauff Ford. Where? There's, Middlekauff Ford in Plano. Okay. Their just, their attitude is just slimy. And, and, uh, I've written a, a letter to Middlekauff and I've told them that, matter of fact I got another letter last night from the Quality Ford Division, their still concerned about my attitude *spelling "their" should be "they're and it, it will never change about that place. And, uh, but, uh, anyway that's my own personal comment I guess, but. Yeah, this girl that works for me just bought a car down there and
they, they had a problem with they, uh, took their Camaro in to get it traded and they, they hadn't signed any papers and they had all ready, uh, taken it in to paint it and everything and everything was stolen out of it and the people, um, wouldn't reimburse them for anything. Middlekauff wouldn't? She needs to find herself a lawyer. She'd, she'd come out like a champ on that one. Yeah, so, I've heard some stuff about them. But, um. So have you been using, well anyway. What. That was, I was asking you some questions about the telephone and how long and how many have you been doing, but that's, Oh. they, they don't want to hear that. Oh, just about a week. Is that all? A week.
Yeah, yeah. Good Lord, I think I started in January or February. Really. Oh God, I've, I'm like twenty some phone calls. Oh, wow. That's why I, I wasn't sure if this was the second time around or what. Well look, I've enjoyed speaking with you. Yeah, you too. And keep smiling. Okay, thanks. Bye, bye. Bye. So, child care, your views. Uh, well, we only have one child right now and another one on the way and right now I'm, I'm all with her during the day.
I, if I was looking for outside care I probably would stay away from professional child care centers and try to find, if I was close to home, relatives or people with it is same values and possibly religious faith or something similar so that she would be raised in an environment that would be similar to what we would have in our own homes as, as parents. And what religious faith? Uh, Latter Day Saints. Oh that's, that's good. So so that's what I would try to do. With a teaching background I've, um, had a little bit of experience with the child day care type situations but I've seen some good ones and I've seen some really bad ones. Uh, they do seem to be at the outside edge of both extremes don't they? Uh-huh, And, whenever they are they seem to regulate the good toward the bad instead of bad toward the good. and so, Right. By trying to get them to conform to concern standards they, uh, kind of, uh, eliminate a lot of the, uh, Better situations. Yeah. The, the, uh, what am I trying to think of that, not the imagination but the creativity in, in the situation and so,
Yeah, yeah that's, that's very well phrased. Uh, so, have you ever used outside child care? No, I haven't. We've had like people come in and baby-sit for an hour or two but I've never had, um, Real day care. Right. She's, she's not even a year yet, so, we haven't been in, you know, a lot of need yet. Uh our step daughter's ten now Uh-huh. and most of the day care has been provide for by Grandma. But, quite honestly what I believe to be the best day care situation was while we lived up, the Pass of Woodland Park there was, uh, ex-school teacher that, uh, did a small amount of before school and after school, you know, kindergartners, or half dayers in her home Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and they would read and play,
Have a relative a structured, activities and not just, you know, stick them in a corner and say you're on your own. seem to be, Uh, yeah, and, uh, despite our beliefs, she was, uh, one of the more, uh, Charismatic Christian faiths Uh-huh. and it worked out wonderfully. Yeah. I know that, uh, that I guess if you have the opportunity to pick and choose and you've got the time and that, uh, I don't know if the resources are the proper term, you know, just the, the know, knowledge of who's a available, then you could probably find some really good care. Uh, yeah, but I don't know that it would be state approved. That's true. You can get somebody maybe willing to baby-sit but actual, you know, that's sometimes different, done on a different scale. I have even considered, you know, baby-sitting myself, I have a teaching degree, and, uh, thought well, you know, I could structure and then for one reason or other decided not to, but I think if you take more than three children in, well, that was how it was this Virginia, we've recently moved here to Texas, but in Virginia I think if you take more than three children in on more than a several hours a day bases you have to be licensed. I, now I don't know what the current Texas laws are but I, but I do know that the license doesn't seem to, uh, guarantee quality. Yeah,
a lot of times you might just need to go now and feel, file for it just like a business. You may not have to prove any type of qualification for it I don't, Uh, now here I believe that child care meets, by in large, certain standards for, uh, balanced food, if they provide food, cleanliness, and levels of supervision levels being defined as number of working adults for number of children Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's, uh, kind of a minimum there that you're getting. Your covering basic care there and not all the extras that most people would like to see done with there children, you know, like the educational activities, the supervised play and so forth. uh, my wife is, uh, agnostic and I'm, uh, a backsliding Presbyterian I like that term and, uh, get, I really believe that this Charismatic care, or the Charismatic belief when emphasized on care, or semi Charismatic I might say was quite good. Uh-huh. Yeah, it was a good influence for your daughter, uh. Yes, very Well, that's good. and, and, uh, the care is what I guess you should emphasize in the term child care instead of the child. Uh-huh. Yeah,
a little bit of love and, and attention is what most of them need. You know, even if it's not a real educated program you can have good educational program and, and, And not have any care. Right. And, and that's not certainly what you want for your child or what you would give your child yourself and so, And I'm not sure that really child care per se should instill any education per se. Do you know had a I'm saying? Well, even educated play, uh, supervised play, can teach without, and I'm not saying talking about sitting down and teaching them math or, or, or something like that but just kind of promoting social skills and, uh, uh, you know, like my, my child that, she want be an only child for long, but, you know, she was an only child, or maybe your daughter, not having, Proper interface. yeah, yeah, just, It's just, just correctness of, of social skills, if you will.
Right, those basic things that, uh, they would, that, you know, you would be a little bit of, uh, I don't know if manners is a good term or not but, you know, dealing with other through proper mannerisms and politeness and so forth, you know, that sort of thing, you'd want your child to learn that, from the experience of someone else, certainly you wouldn't want your child's day care person to yell at them and scream at them and say do this, do that, you know, you'd want them it promote politeness and niceness, you know, the things that you would want any child to learn and, the reason, that's done through example, you know, not an actual sit down learn situation so, Uh, yeah, uh, it's a very broad issue. Uh-huh, it is And, you know, it's a shame but most people doing, child care earn almost no money. They operate at, you know, the owner of the of a, you know, a large child care facility now, Uh-huh. we're not talking somebody that does six kids, in their home or three or whatever. Uh-huh. Somebody that doesn't really put a lot of overhead whatever into it. You mean somebody that has an actual establishment. Right. Yeah.
Their employees earn almost nothing. Yeah. I know I, I did that for summer so I can, I can vouch for that And that's really, really a shame too because, do you and your husband both work. No, just he does I'm, I'm here during the day with her. Well, that's wonderful if, if you can make it that way. Well, we, we decided to, we live on a lesser budget so that we have that, that's more important to us, you know, as, as, uh, there may come a time when I will be working again, you know, but right now that's what we've chosen and we wanted to have several, we got her and we've got another on the way, and maybe another, one soon after that, Well, like I said, that's grand if, if you can pull it off so Right. but more and more we're being forced into a situation, we as Americans are being forced into a situation, where you've got to have,
Well, I'm talking to you from Dallas. What part of the country are you in? Oh, boy, this is going to be tough, I'm in Plano Well, we can, uh, complain together or swear we can complain together about the humidity Exactly. I guess the weather hasn't been too different between us. No, I don't think so, I wouldn't think, yeah. I, what part of Dallas are you from? Far north Dallas Oh, north Dallas. Yeah, about a half a mile from Plano Well, jeez. So we're in the, Well then you've been getting quite a bit of rain also. Yeah,
it's been very, very rainy, I know. Oh How about that. How does it compare to the years past? um, I don't know, I haven't lived here, let's see, we lived out of state in Wisconsin and we just we lived here ten years ago, and when we first lived here, we we were in Garland, East Richardson, and, um, doesn't seem like it was quite as humid. Uh-huh. Oh. And, I don't know, then we went, we lived in, uh, Madison, Wisconsin for five years, um, for my husband's schooling, graduate schooling, and it just, it's a lot cleaner up there, but, um, it's a lot colder too. Huh. Well, what brought you guys down to Texas then? Uh, his job, he came back to start work again for a different company, so, said, Here, here's a How about that. here we are again.
That's great. It just seems a little more humid than it, I don't ever remember, of course, you know, you only remember the good stuff, but, um, I just don't remember the humidity. Right. Well definitely, I'm sure, the winters are more mild here. This much rain, and this much humidity. Uh, yeah, they are. Actually, though, it was a lot rainier here in the winter, uh, we came back last August. Uh-huh. It's just a lot rainier than I remember it, all through the seasons, you know. Sure. Um, It seems that progressive, I've, been down here five years, just over five years now, that, every spring and summer seems to get more and more rainy. Yeah, and I think it's because it's just getting more crowded and more polluted. I really do think that's part of it. Huh.
Um, uh, in, in Wisconsin and Minnesota, when they get winters it's, um, the winters are bad, but not what you hear about. It's just like down here, when you hear, when people here think it's a hundred and six, people up north think it's a hundred and sixty down here. A hundred and sixty. I'm making that up. Uh-huh, right. You know, when it's only like ninety-five. Sure. Um, it's just like up there, when you hear it's forty below, it's probably really only five below. Right. Um, and it's so dry, that it's, it's like going to well, probably what Arizona used to be like, you know, it's just dry and cool, Uh-huh. so it's not, it's not what you think it is. True. Um, no, there have been times, though, when it gets so frigid that you you can't stand it. Where did you move here from? Colorado. Well, there,
you could talk about that, that's, that's a strange state for, Oh sure, I, I'm uh, I'm very familiar, my grandparents and all my relatives are from Wisconsin. Oh, there you go, okay. So, I'm, uh, quite familiar with how it is up there, and if you, kind of interesting, uh, the people down here typically don't think it gets above, you know, fifty degrees This is very true. And it's always snow, you know, but, uh, Yeah, right, well actually, the summers up there, we thought, were the most beautiful time of the year. Oh yes. Um, in terms of Colorado, I know my husband likes to camp and backpack and all the stuff I don't like, um, but I'd, used to go on, I worked for a mortgage company in Wisconsin and I did a lot of business in, uh, um, well, Denver, and that's, that's probably one of the stranger things, when you see the air inversions, and then you go into the mountains
Uh-huh. and it's snowy and uh, it just was a very mixed bag in terms of Colorado. Oh sure. My parents just live, uh, thirty miles south of Denver and it can be sunny and, and no problem in Denver and they'll be having snow Isn't that strange? So it's pretty amazing, it can be that drastic in just a short distance Yeah, and then things like are there tornadoes in Colorado, yes or I don't, Uh, it's getting to be more and more of a possibility. Yeah. It used to be no problem, just because it was such a, a rugged terrain and with trees everywhere, but now, as they start to clear more things out. The mountains, yeah. Even, I mean, I'm originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
and I can tell you that, um, they've even had, in eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania, they've even had, I'm going to say, mini tornadoes for lack of a better word. Uh-huh. And, and that's just a part of the country that it's rolling hillside. That was unheard of, you know, twenty years ago. Right. Um, so I don't know what's happening, if it's, you know, we are, the greenhouse, I don't really know. Yeah, me neither. It's just, you know. It's definitely not as, um, But, I know I associate the pollution with weather in general, so I guess one thing we do miss, is that's a smaller town, and it it was, it just seemed a little bit more pleasant in terms of the atmosphere, you know. Sure, sure. Well, it's been good talking to you. You too. Good-bye
Okay. Good-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, what kind of things do you like to do in your spare time? Well, uh, I have two children, Uh-huh. so I do not have a whole lot of spare time right now. One of the things that I have made time for is, uh, playing softball. Uh-huh. I really enjoy, I enjoy softball, but I enjoy all kind of sports. I enjoy watching and participating. I really like water sports like swimming and skiing, but I do not get to do that too often. Yeah. And then I, I really enjoy sewing, but I do not get much of a chance to just really sit down and do much sewing. How about you?
Oh, I, uh, like sports type things too. We like to get out and walk, and we like the water sports too. Uh-huh. But like you, unless you have a pool in your backyard, it is kind of hard to get to do that very often. I, know it. It is. Do you work full time? Yeah. Well, part time. We are going to have a baby in July. Part time. Oh. So part of my big hobby has been trying to put together a nursery and all that kind of stuff, lately. Right. Yeah, that definitely takes over your time. Yeah, it does. I have been,
Is this going to be your first? Yes. Uh-huh. Oh. I have been doing some cross-stitch for something I wanted to put in the nursery. So, I have not done that in years, Uh-huh. but I have kind of enjoyed that. Yeah. It is just hard to find the time to sit there and do it. Right. Well, that is, it sure is fun to do that kind of thing because then you have got something to show for it. Right, yeah. Yeah. That is neat. And I guess I kind of consider shopping a hobby Yeah. I do too.
I just go out just to, just to enjoy it and not really spend money sometimes, just look. Yeah. Yeah. But you will probably find after your children get bigger, uh, like when they want things like tricycles, toys, things that cost quite a lot in the store, you can find that kind of stuff at garage sales for just a few dollars. Yeah, yeah, we bought some baby clothes, yeah, last weekend at a garage sale. And, Yeah. Yeah. So, I am, I have become a garage sale shopper. And it is fun. Uh-huh. On the weekends I drive around, look to see, you know, who is selling what. And I found my little daughter some tap shoes for her tap class. And just, you know, all kinds of things like that, that you would probably pay thirty dollars for, Oh and I got them for two dollars Wow! Yeah.
Yeah. So, Yeah, at a lot of places. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It, it does take more time. But I do not work, so, uh, that is something I have decided I am going to make sure my kids have a, have a happy growing up years and Right, yeah. I think that is important too. I am not going to work after the baby comes. Yeah. Well, Well, that is good. So, I guess, hopefully I will have more time for hobbies. I am glad, I do not know Well, at first, when you first have a baby, you, uh, seems to take every moment of your time. Partly because you are not used to, you know, juggling your time around like that.
But, eventually the, you will, you will be doing lots of stuff. Right. So, Yeah. But I think, my husband is real into sports too. He plays on a T I softball team and the church softball team. And by the time he plays two games a week and I play a game a week, we go to lots of softball Wow! Yeah But the kids enjoy going because there's usually a lot of other kids for them to play with and we, that is getting outside and, you know, doing things they like to do too. So, Yeah. So that is good. A whole your whole family can enjoy those hobbies. Yeah. And one other thing we are doing this year is, uh, we bought Wet and Wild passes. Oh. We have never done that before,
but the kids are always wanting to play in the water. And, uh, like you said, unless you have a pool in your backyard or access to a good place to play, it is kind of hard. And, uh, they have real good kiddie areas, uh, at both of the Wet and Wild's around here. So, we are planning on going two or three times a week Oh, wow. That will make the summer go by in a hurry. Yeah. I think it will. Keep the kids busy. Yeah. Because my oldest daughter is in school, and she gets bored real fast when she is home with nothing to do. Right. So, I think that will be a lot of fun. Yeah. So we are looking forward to that. Yeah. Uh, do you consider yard work a hobby at all or is that just a chore? Well, when I got married, I thought it was going to be fun
Uh-huh But my husband and I both, I think, consider it a chore. It's, Yeah. our yard has had so many problems. It has completely died out two times. Oh, no. And, uh, we have had to start all over trying to plant grass. So it has become a chore Huh. Do you and your husband like to work in the yard? Oh, well, we like it once in a while but not as often as we have to do it Yeah. I like to put flowers out and, you know, a few little things like that. Uh-huh. But as far as mowing every week, and finding time to get all that stuff done, it gets to be a chore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That is true. Seems like sometimes hobbies do that. They kind of take over and turn into work instead of fun. Yeah. Well, that is how sewing. I love to sew, and, uh, I wish I had more time to do it. But sometimes I will get started on a project and then finishing it is more of a chore than Yeah. If it does not go quite, quite right. Yeah. Another thing I enjoy doing is cooking. I, I like especially, it is real strange, but I like to cook for other people. Like I have a friend that is, uh, pregnant but she can't get up and walk around right now. Oh, no. So, I enjoy, you know, cooking things to take over to her house or,
Oh, that is nice. Yeah. And it, it is fun for me to do that. It is, it is something I enjoy doing. It is funny though, it is like I do not really want to cook for us It is kind of like when you are a kid and, and someone else's house was fun to clean, but you did not want to do your own Yeah. Your, How funny. I think I will enjoy cooking more when I am not working, when I do not get home until five-thirty or six, and I have to cook and clean up, Yeah. Oh, yeah. it is not, it is not fun. But I think I will like it better. Yeah. When you are home it's, it makes a difference. Yeah. It sure does. Uh-huh.
Well, do you guys go camping or anything like that? Uh, yeah, we have done a little bit of camping. We like that. It's, there again, it is just so hard to find time to get away for a whole weekend. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, that is something that we are planning to do not this weekend, but the next. My parents go camping a lot, and they invited the kids and my husband and me to go with them and, Oh. That sounds fun. Yeah. We are really looking forward to it. The girls love it. They have been a couple of times, and, uh, just getting to be outside, you know, all the time and sleep in a tent. And that is really fun to them. So, We are looking forward to that. Yeah.
Well, that sounds nice. I, I think that would be a good family thing to start doing more often. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. My, uh, my husband loves to fish. I am not much into fishing, but, uh, my daughter thinks she wants to learn how to fish so I think it will be real good for them Uh-huh. They can go fishing. Yeah, we have camped with some friends who have young children and, uh, if you can find some place where those little sunfish are right around the shore where they can just pull in a line. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, they have so much fun doing that. Yeah. And they think they are really great fishermen because they are catching so many Yeah,
yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah, uh, she is really looking forward. I am hoping, that is another thing though, when sometimes your, uh, hobbies can interfere with each other. Because my husband is afraid he is going to have a softball tournament that weekend. Oh. And I am saying, no, no Yeah. Skip this tournament Yeah. If you are doing a lot of things, sometimes you have conflicts, and you have to decide what you enjoy the most. Right. So, Yeah. Do you do any other crafts or anything besides your sewing? Well, not really right now. I keep thinking when the kids get bigger and I have a little more time, uh, I might take up, there is, I would love to cross-stitch.
I think cross-stitching is so pretty, but I have never done any. It is not too hard. It is, Yeah. I do not think it is as hard as like knitting or crochet or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I, I crocheted when I was younger. It is funny, when I was in high school, I made a blanket. And, but you know, I can't even remember how I did it now Yeah It has been so long since I did it that but, Yeah. I started to to knit a sweater. Uh-huh. And I got off on my rows somehow, and so what should have been the back all of a sudden was on the front.
Oh, yeah. And then I tore it out and threw it down. And I never have, picked it back up again, and now I can't remember anything about it Yeah, well, I did the same thing. Uh, when I was pregnant with my first daughter, I was really bored, and I bought one of those latch hook rug kits. Oh, uh-huh. It was a real pretty rug. And I thought, well I could use this as a gift or something, you know. And oh, it was so, it was beautiful, but I did not realize how long it took. And I got about two, two-thirds of it done, and then I just, I had the baby Yeah And then it was just like I forgot all about it. Forget it.
And every once in a while I will be digging through the closet, and I will find that thing. And I will think, oh, maybe I ought to get the rest of that out, you know, and finish it. Yeah. But, uh, for a while there latch hook rugs were a real big, uh, hobby. Yeah. I remember that. It seemed like people did them a lot. Yeah. Uh, uh, people do not do that much any more. So, it was something easy I could do Yeah, yeah. They are pretty easy. Yeah. Well, it has been real good talking to you. Yeah. You too. And I hope you enjoy your camping trip. Oh, thank you.
And thanks for calling. Uh-huh. *used to mean "you're welcome" Bye. Bye-bye. in Well I always think I'm paying too much taxes. How about you? Yeah, oh definitely Seems like, Although at least Texas doesn't have a state income tax yet. I mean, you know, they keep threatening us that maybe there will be a day that they're going to, uh, enact this I think, uh, the, um, other means of providing income for the state have been dwindling so they keep trying to say we may need a, uh, state income tax Yeah, I think that, uh, we probably will have to have, have to, uh, have a state income tax because, uh, Texans don't approve of such things as lotteries, uh, well I, I, come here from New York and New York had a state lottery, Uh-huh. and it really raised a lot of money for the, for the state. Uh, although we, in New York we had to pay a state and a city, uh, tax. And it was really a great relief when I got to Texas that I didn't have to pay that city income tax, though.
Yeah, makes quite a bit of difference in your, uh, well your income level. Right. You know, because other states quite a a chunk out for, uh, city and state taxes so you're, uh, looking at your yearly salary, it makes quite a difference. It sure does make a difference. A little more take home here Uh-huh. Do you live in Dallas? Yeah, Richardson area. Oh, you do? Yeah, I work at, well mainly the Expressway Site is where I work like Oh, I do too. Oh, okay Okay, and then, you know too, that, um, taxes are, are less, like if you live in Mesquite. Yeah. You know, some people will go shopping in Mesquite at the malls out there, uh,
Or up to Collin County, somewhere that you're getting out of the, um, Dallas County area because, what do we pay, like eight and a half percent, something like that for the, uh, sales tax. Uh-huh. Eight point five. Uh-huh. Which, yeah, that really is pretty high. Is it the is it, uh, less in Collin County than it is in Dallas County? or I guess maybe if I was going to buy a car or something, maybe I would consider where I was buying it, to try to, you know, save a little bit on that sales tax, because on a car that really kind of mounts up Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, it sure did and then once you could deduct at least some of that, um, off, off your income tax and you can't do that anymore. Yeah. It really hit me yesterday, I had, uh, air conditioning service for my car done. And I had a little, little, uh, coupon special that was twenty-two dollars for, um, air conditioning service where they, uh, checked it and recharged it and put one, one pound of freon in Uh-huh. and if you needed another pound of freon they it, it was like seven dollars and something.
And then with the with the twenty-two dollars and the seven something, it all came out to, I, I ended up paying like thirty-four dollars. Yeah, yeah that's true. Although I I wish, you know, overall they'd try the lottery again. When did you first come to Texas? Really, where did you come from? Um, well, Ohio, kind of. My parents live in Ohio. I had lived a little while in Michigan, Oh, uh-huh. but, you know, basically I went to high school and college in Ohio and lived there uh, more years than I ever did in Michigan. Uh-huh. Well, uh, I did visit, uh, Michigan, I visited Kalamazoo once. My sister used to live there. Oh, okay Uh-huh. But you know, when we first came down here, I really thought this place was somewhat backward, I mean, I was just shocked that we couldn't shop on Sunday. Remember that? Uh-huh.
But, uh, there were stores that you could go to, uh, you know, like discount stores and stores down in the village and just all over the place where you could go to and you could shop until like twelve or one o'clock that night and that was like, that was really the only night they were open that late, but it was Christmas eve. Uh-huh. And when I came to Dallas, I thought I was going to do that Christmas eve and I couldn't find hardly anything open, after five o'clock in the afternoon. Were you shocked like, oh no, I'm stuck I need to buy stuff. An I was, oh, I was, I really, I really was stuck And I think Target was the one that stayed open later than any, anybody else. And, uh, I was able to pick up a few things in there, but, boy I was, I was really shocked. And then another shock I had well, when I went to, um, to buy a slice of pizza and found out that I had to buy the whole pie. Uh-huh. Oh, few places now seem to do it by the slice but, Yeah, now, but they, back then they didn't.
Right. When I first came, no. Anyway, Well the, the, uh, there was other things too, I mean, I think it's taken us Yankee's influence down here, to get them to, uh, come to the, you know, the correct decade here and century. Um, I couldn't believe that you could have open containers of beer, alcohol, whatever, in the car! Right. Right. voice says, that's not the I mean, you could always, um, uh, be careful about that back then because, uh, you know, if if a cop stopped you then you would, um, you know, get arrested or what not. Uh-huh. Yeah, and talk a talking about alcohol and beer, look at the taxes on that, and the taxes on a package of, of cigarettes. And people would just drink openly. I used to smoke, you know Uh-huh. and, uh, that would have been enough to, to make me, me give them up. The price of them now, but I gave them up a couple years ago because I had some sinus problems. Oh. I don't smoke, so I don't really know what the, taxes are and stuff on it.
Well, Well they're like two, or, I, I believe they're hitting two dollars a pack now. Um. A little bit, a little bit more in some places. So you end up about paying about twelve dollars for a pack and two dollars of that is taxes. Huh. Gee. Um, because I remember we went to, to Oklahoma to this bingo place. This Choctaw Bingo, uh, a couple weeks ago and somebody that went with me bought a carton for, uh, ten dollars and something and they really thought they were getting a big discount. They're cheaper there? Well because, it's, you know, the Indians, I don't think they pay tax. Oh! In, in Oklahoma. Oh, I got you, okay. And, uh, it was a Indian, well it's a bingo hall for the benefit of the Indians there. Uh-huh Although I didn't see very many Indian people in there
There were just bus loads of people that come from everywhere else to play that bingo because it's, it's, the stakes are higher and payoffs are bigger and so forth. Well how did you do? I won a dollar A dollar, oh well, but you had fun playing, right. Yeah, I had fun, uh, a couple on the bus won some money. One, one guy won Okay, do you have any pets? Yes, I've had, I have had a number of them in my lifetime and I've, I am a Golden retriever fan, Oh. but I had to replace it with something that the kids could carry. Oh Yes. Yes. Instead of being carried
Yes, well, they were, they really wanted something teeny tiny, and I, uh, really wanted that retriever's disposition. Uh, the ultimate to tolerant, trainable disposition, Yeah. Really. so I called four or five dog trainers because I don't like the little dogs. Uh-huh. And, and I asked them, you know, these are the ages of the kids, what do I get. And they all said, Golden Retriever and I said okay, put it under twenty pounds. And the only thing that they could come up with was a Bichon Frize which is a, Huh. Do you know what that is? Yes, I've seen those. They're cute. They're cute. They look like an air headed let me tell you. They're calm, they're not yuppie , they're trainable, they're, uh, very personable in a different way that a Golden Retriever is.
They're not dignified like a retriever can be. Uh-huh. Yeah. So how old is your retriever? Oh, she's about four. She's not completely pure. We got her from the, uh, Humane Society when she was a puppy. She looks like a she looks just like a Golden Retriever, but she's a little bit smaller. She's like fifty-five pounds. Well, actually, you know, that's the breed standard for females. What you, Is it? yeah, what you see shown and bred now as Golden Retrievers, this, you know, plus eighty to a hundred pound range. Uh-huh. That is not breed standard. Huh. Fifty-five is the minimum
but they usually run about sixty to sixty-five. And the ones that are shown, they are inside that weight allowance. Uh-huh. You cannot show your retriever if it's, you know, a hundred plus pounds. Oh, huh. So don't say she's small, just say she's perfect. Yeah. She's perfect. Well, she's got a brown nose instead of black too. Uh-huh. Which makes her, I guess, unshowable, even if she had papers which she doesn't Yep. but, but we love her anyway. She's just a lot of company to us. We didn't, we haven't had any kids and we're expecting a baby this summer, but up until then, she's been our substitute kid and she was a lot of fun. Well, they are, they are the ultimate dog to have around kids so long as your kid is not scared of a big dog, because I had a retriever, actually I had a retriever Irish Setter cross. Which is a really nice animal
Right. Oh. and fortunately it was just like a retriever and then I've had a retriever. I bet it had a pretty coat too. It was gorgeous. It was just gorgeous. I mean just gorgeous. Um, and they both, you know, both the half breed and the pure breed had the, uh, what I consider the, the, the perfect disposition. But you know what, you know what scares me about Golden Retrievers? Since they've become so popular you get what I call backyard breeders. Which is probably where yours came from. People that don't know what they're doing, and they breed them, you know, for a certain characteristic. And in the retrievers it happens to be they like them big, for somehow big is perceived as the better. And when you start doing that you really tamper with, you know, the, all the, the years of, uh, culling litters and, and, uh, you tamper with what the dog innately is. Yeah. We when I was, when I bought my last purebred retriever I mean I looked all over because I wanted one that still looked like a retriever, you know, the short to the ground, stocky, golden, uh, trainable, tractable, quiet animal that could hunt and still be in the house. Right. And I ended up getting one that, uh, came out of a, a, a hunting stock because I wanted one that could still perform like a retriever did.
Oh. And I've seen an awful lot of lately really dumb, dumb retrievers and I'm, and I really fear for the breed because I love that breed, Yeah. but I really figure right when it becomes really popular that it's going to be ruined. We have some friends with a brother and sister Golden retriever and those dogs have been having seizures, and I wonder since both of them are having them if it's some kind of breeding problem. Oh, yeah. You bet you. You bet you. You know how they came up with the retriever, don't you, the Golden? Huh-uh. It was bred out of several different retrievers, and they bred it for companionship and, uh, uh, disposition and, and ability to hunt. It was kept only by kings. Oh. But they selectively culled those litters, I mean, for many hundreds of years and since it slept in the castle with its master, I mean it had, it had to be of a disposition to make it, you know, an animal you could keep around that closely. But they would go through all the litters and destroy the puppies if they were anything other than perfect.
Now, you know, that seems like a cruel thing to do. Yeah. On the other hand, you sure, you know, they sure created a, a wonderful breed, I mean a wonderful breed. Yeah. They did. I, I had never really had a Golden retriever before. We were going to get a shepherd and something mixed because my husband's family had had shepherds and all the other, we looked at some of the shepherd mixes and the puppies weren't very, uh, social and stuff. Uh-huh. And we went to a pen of a little bit bigger dogs and all the others were standing there barking and jumping up and down. And one dog would stand there wagging her tail and smiling And that, was mine. Well, I tell you, you know the, the German shepherd is the classic case of what I'm talking about because in America that's called a Rin Tin Tin phenomena. Uh-huh. Only in America is there a dog called a German Shepherd. Oh, really? That dog is bred out of three European dogs. The Belgian Tervurien, a German Skutzhund, and a makes a I always forget the third one. I can see it. Uh, uh,
but the third one is a children's dog. Oh. And there are distinct breeds in Europe. Now what happened over here was is that people saw the, the first, um, which would actually have been a Skutzhund which is what Rin Tin Tin was. Uh-huh. And everybody wanted Rin Tin Tin. And it was known as a German shepherd here. So they created a breed standard. The American Kennel Club did. Oh. That said anything that is a Skutzhund, a, a Tervurien and, uh, Alsatian that's the other one. Alsatian, any inner breeding of that can be called a German shepherd here. Huh. And what happened is, is that people wanted this shepherd to shepherd and protect. And they bred a dog that I it's called a, an animal's critical span which basically translates to how much shit will it take before it bites you. That German shepherd, the American German Shepherd here was a, a, a such an unreliable animal that the American Seeing Eye Institute refused to use them, because they would turn on on their handlers. Uh-huh. Huh. Uh-huh. And even, um, uh, police corps which started, you know, finding other breeds to use because this thing, this, this thing known as a German shepherd here, its personality and its dependability and its reliability was just terrible. So about fifteen years ago the German Shepherd Club of America decided amongst themselves that they were going to change this. So they went back to Europe and brought back some good examples of each of the three breeds and bred to a standard what they wanted an American German shepherd to be. Which is a very heavily now Skutzhund and Alsatian,
Uh-huh. and it's the Alsatian that's the kid's dog. It's just, you see them in Europe and they're just lovely. Huh. But you'll see, I mean, if you ever start looking in papers now and you start seeing these ads for German Shepherds, they will say on them, bred for disposition, A K C conforming which means that their advertising that this is no longer an indiscriminate dog. Huh. This is bred for, and they had to go through and destroy a, for a while there, about seventy-five percent of their puppies that they bred. Wow. Because they were looking for this disposition. And nowadays you, you'll get, you'll get a dog trainer to recommend a specific, you know, breeder handler. They will recommend their shepherds as a children's dog. Huh. But ... Okay, well, I'll start off being controversial. I'm in favor of it.
That doesn't necessarily mean you're controversial. Well, it seems to be in the current situations but, uh, I still feel that it could be a deterrent to crime. Particularly with the increase of serious crime that's going on now. Well, I think that those crimes which are punishable by the death sentence, need to be reevaluated. Okay. I think there are other crimes that could easily draw the death penalty and not make me feel bad at all. Yeah, I think, uh, Crimes against children is one of them. Oh, definitely. Any, any crimes against person, uh, I feel, uh, there should be more than a slap on the hand, and being sent to prison and being released in, uh, two or three years. Yeah. Uh-huh. Actually, I would like to see the system revert a lot back to some of the forms of punishment that exist in Middle Eastern countries. If you steal, you lose a hand. Oh, yeah. That's a, You know, uh, if you kill, you lose your life. What's wrong with that? I don't see a thing wrong with that.
Yeah. I believe that, uh, Well, it's just an, an example. Uh, I think there's, uh, someone that's on trial right now here in the Dallas area, Uh-huh. and they were interviewing the, the, a young lady was killed sometime back, a young girl. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, how do you feel about this? Uh-huh. And, you know Uh-huh. and they want the person punished and punished, properly. Uh-huh. Uh-huh Deciding what that proper punishment is, is one thing. I think that there should be no way, I, I realize that innocent people could go to, uh, what is it, lethal injection now. Yes. Innocent people could do that,
but for every innocent person who would be executed, hopefully there would be ten guilty. Yeah. Well, I feel like the, the cost of someone who's quoting figures made the cost, at like thirty thousand dollars, a year to keep someone in prison. Uh, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. To maintain a prison that's right. That's stupid. And, well, the problem there is they're not keeping the right ones in prison in many cases. Uh-huh. There are more, and more instances being on the news, Sure. Uh-huh. or this individual was out on the streets, on probation or parole and killed someone else. Or, seriously injured someone. Uh-huh. Sure. Sure. Well, I don't have solutions to the problems, but you know you have these,
this would be nice if and there's probably thousands of holes in that theory, blinded her. Yeah. I think then that a life sentence to restitution is appropriate. Yes. I think he should spend the rest of his life working to support that individual or the family of an individual. Uh, who has been harmed you, you, you know. Yes, indeed. Yeah. People who kill policemen. And I Yeah. No. Here again, anytime anyone goes out with a gun in their hand and crime on their mind uh, the opportunity exists for someone to get killed. Uh-huh. That's right. Now I'm not in favor of gun control to the degree or anything because, uh, there are uses for guns which are noncriminal Uh-huh. but it seems that the criminal element are the ones that are using them. Uh, aside from domestic disputes, husbands shooting wives or vice versa. Uh-huh. But these individuals, if they have a gun with them, I think that the, the sentence should be even longer than if they don't.
I don't, I don't agree with the length, of the sentence though. Well, Well, but here again, uh, if a matter of expediency, part of these costs like the people on Death Row is that their appeals can take years and years. I think expediency is the answer. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's right. There should be some, uh, I know there's a law, I believe, that it's automatic appeal if it's a death sentence. Uh-huh. Well, I think that automatic appeal ought to take place, uh, within a reasonable length of time, say six months. Uh-huh. And a decision be made and not drag out in the courts for years, because of misplaced commas or whatever technicalities, there might be. Uh-huh. That's right, technical, I think that there should be a statute of limitations on appeals. Right, there's got to be a, there's got to be a time limit. you can appeal it once. I think if it is appealed one time and the appeal is turned down or the sentence stands, then you might be allowed one more appeal if it is, if, if it is, contradictory.
A, a legit, legitimate appeal, not a technicality, of, uh, if, and they're not arguing that the guy or woman committed the crime. Yeah. That's right. Uh-huh. They're arguing over, well, were his civil rights violated because, uh someone didn't file the proper paper at the proper time. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Those are the things that have caused them to drag out I think. That's right. Well, one of the sad things is that so many of these never actually come to trial because of, of the process in which the criminals were apprehended. Yeah. I mean, uh, you know the guy is guilty. You know he's done what he's done. You, you may have stood there and seen it. But because he wasn't read his rights whenever he was arrested, you know, he, he goes free. He didn't see his, lawyer as quickly as he should have, or some, some Mickey Mouse type thing like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.
Right, and I realize that that is designed to protect the innocent. It's also designed to line the pockets of lawyers. Oh, yes And, uh, I, I just don't think that, I think we could get along a lot better in our criminal justice system if we had some statute of limitations on lawyers Yes. I hope you're not a lawyer No, I'm not a lawyer I, I'm an accountant and I agree. Yeah. We practice law ourselves because it's too expensive to hire lawyers, to a degree. Absolutely. That's why you check books out from the library. There you go. But I really believe that our justice system is, is the best around but it's not perfect,
and that doesn't mean that you leave it in tact. in tact intact Well, it's, it's a case that we have a, a legal system which the criminals have found a way to use and a way to benefit them rather than the public itself. That's right. So that's how we get caught in this, uh sort of a catch twenty-two. That's right. Uh-huh. That's right. But you have to continue, uh, to protect the innocent you're giving an open door to the guilty. That's right. And, and, it, I don't know there just seems to be so many clever ways to avoid the real intent of the law by following the letter. Yeah. And that just, that really does ruffle my feathers, at times. Yes It does, most people. I mean I can just get so, aggravated about it. But, you know, it's, it's going to take smarter people than me to solve the problem And I hope, not lawyers Again one of our one of our problems is that, uh, our legislature and the state and our national congress, the majority of the members thereof are lawyers. Well, uh, if you had to pick a, a type of music that you like, would you be able to? functions as a qw
Well, I could pick country music. *answered as if to a qw Country music? I, As I've gotten older, I've started listening more to the words of music and to the softer melodies. Not originally. Not originally. Where you from? Georgia. Georgia. Okay, well, see I'm, I'm from Chicago, so uh, I'm kind of in a different category here. Uh, If you had to pick one, what would you choose? Uh, I would probably go with, it's tough, uh, I think I would just stick with the classics. Only because, uh, I like music just for music's sake and uh, you know, I'm from the era where, you know, we had all the rock and roll. I'm forty so I'm, you know, part of that whole deal and, uh, that was a real interesting time and, you know, the music sort of made the whole time very rich with sound.
Uh, but I think I'd stick back with my Beethoven and my Bach and my Mozart I mean because it's just, it will always be there. It's classic and I don't have to worry about, you know, what's current and what's not because I haven't been current with music for a long time. But, you know, same, uh, and, as far as country music is, I've never really, uh, listened to it. I mean because that's just, it was, it wasn't part of what I knew, so, there you go Well, I understand what you're saying. I think if you would listen to it a little, you would discover that it has a lot of roots from the, both from the classics and from some of the rock and roll of the era that, that we both lived through. Right, yeah. Uh I, it's, it's a different perspective on everything, too. I, I know, well, whenever they talk about, uh, country music, it's about, it seems sad to me. It's always about some guy losing some girl and then, you know, playing the guitar and singing about it.
Well, there's some joy in it also. But, mostly it, it just tells a story about life. Yeah. Well, I must say, though, uh, I listen to Amy Grant. Do you consider her country? I don't know. I'm not all that familiar with her work. Uh, uh, let's see. Well, name some people that are country that I should listen to That would be good. Well, I kind of like, uh, I like groups like the Statler Brothers. And the Judds, certainly. Okay. Oh, okay, I, I must admit that's, yeah, they're fantastic, so, uh, uh, Reba McIntire is a little too country for me. She's something, though. She's got so much energy That's true. Well, I guess I, I have listened in on some of the stuff and not really realized it that I do like some of that. Uh, Dolly Parton, she's kind of,
is she kind of country? Oh, yes. Kind of That's certainly where her roots are. Right down there. Uh, uh, how about the Oak Ridge Boys. Very much so. Very much. Okay, well, I like them, too. So I guess I've had a smattering and I just, uh, you know, picked, I've picked up a little bit along the way that I probably wouldn't have if I'd stayed up north, you know. That's true. You know, so, well, I think there's music all around anyway. I mean, I think life is just music, so, you know, you can hear it wherever you want and, uh, and I've, I've kind of shied away from some of the new stuff because I just don't understand it. But maybe twenty years from now they'll look at it as classic rock and roll which I really like so,
Well, it's just difficult for me to believe that anybody's ever going to make a, a record of the rap songs of the eighties. Yeah, the greatest hits, right, Yeah Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, it, it, it'll, if it stands the test of time, we'll see. That's true. And, uh, then it'll, if it survives, then it'll just probably be one or two songs that sort of, hey listen what we listened to Yeah Can you believe this sort of thing, but, uh, you know, I, I think of, I get real tickled when I listen to some of these old Beatle, uh, music, you know, the orchestration of it and that it's so popular still and, and, uh, you know, all these rocks, rock stations call it classic soft rock, you know Right. But we used to listen to it full blast Of course. Yeah.
So, it's kind of funny the way we listened to the stuff, but, I don't know. Well, you got any more? Well, the big key is that, I think you've already stated, that all music is rooted in the classics and it has grown from there. this short. Well, that's, Okeydoke, well, it was great. Yeah. And we'll, uh, listen to some more music and, uh, I'll look at some country. You bet. Okay. Bye-bye Bye-bye. Okay, we can start. Okay. Hi. Hi.
How many children do you have? I have four. Oh, four, okay, okay. How many do you have? Well, I have two children and, uh, two stepdaughters. Okay. So we have four altogether, too. Okay. Yeah. Are you, are you running ragged these days? Well, no, because mine are all grown Oh, they are. Oh So the topic for me, I, I can only relate now to my grandchildren. Oh, well good. I do keep my,
Impart me some wisdom, Catherine Uh, I do take care of my youngest granddaughter, uh, most every Saturday. Uh, my daughter and her husband work Saturdays. My daughter is, uh, uh, doing a schedule of, uh, twenty-four hours on the weekend, but she gets paid for forty. Uh-huh. And Dave is, uh, in supervisory work and he has to work almost every Saturday so, Uh-huh. Uh, How old is your granddaughter? She's three. Oh, so she's a little one. Yes. Yeah. She's, she's little Yeah, yeah. She's says how are you doing grandma today.
Oh Whoa Are you surviving. Is she your oldest child? Oh, no, no, no. No, she's my baby. Oh. She's my baby, yeah. Oh. She was a miracle baby. Was she? Yeah, she really was. Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh.
Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Now do your other grandchildren live in the Dallas area? Yes, they do, uh-huh. Do you get to see them? They really do, uh-huh. How nice. What a treat. You know, being from Plano, you know, I know so very few people who have extended family in town. I'm real jealous when I hear that somebody has a grandma around because we don't, Oh yeah, that's really, and, that's really wonderful. It is, it is.
Yeah. And, you know, just so that they get to know their grandparents, but also for help Yeah. We don't, we don't have that luxury. But, we have lots of friends, and, and everybody tends to be in the same boat. So we, we trade off a whole lot with friends and, you know, run here and run there. We're right smack dab in the middle of baseball season right now. And we have three playing baseball. Oh, that's marvelous. So Well they keep you hopping, I'm sure. They definitely do. Well, I know, uh, that, uh, one of the ladies I know, they are very involved with their little girl and, and I think it's excellent because she's getting qualified quality time for, uh, her musical, uh, talents her sports abilities Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, uh, I think because she is, uh, the only child that they concentrate, uh, they would like to have more, but that hasn't been, uh, possible.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. And, uh, she's tried many, uh, avenues Yeah. and, and so now it's just, you know, that she's kind of resolved herself that, yes, this is going to be the only one Yeah, and she devotes, yeah. And they're focusing on all of her, uh, welfare. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, well, our kids, you know, uh, my daughter uh, sings with Younger Generation, I don't know if you've ever heard of them. There they're a singing group here in Plano. Oh, okay. And they're part of the uh, Plano Children's Civics, Civic Chorus. Uh-huh. And they're going to Washington, D. C. next December Uh, to sing for President Bush at the White House at Christmas time. Oh, how wonderful.
Isn't that neat? Yeah, so, So we have been really up to our eye balls in fund raising and trying to get, uh, That's wonderful. Well, that's wonderful. Yeah, it is. It is. So, you know, and then she plays softball and my son plays baseball and my stepdaughter plays softball so we, we tend to do a lot of running. Things are very different nowadays than when I grew up Oh, they are. and I'm sure when your children grew up you didn't, you know, I don't remember doing all these things. No. I certainly don't remember my parents running me here and there and supporting me in all these things, but we had more, I guess family time alone where we did nothing. Which was good. Yeah,
you're, Now I think everything is doing, doing, doing, out of the house. Which can be very hectic. Yeah, yeah. It can be and, and sometimes I, you know, I kind of long for the good old days when we didn't do all these running. Yeah, it wasn't so But on the other hand, we just love watching the kids play and getting to know the other parents and we've had a lot of fun with that, too. Uh-huh. You have to look on that, on the, uh, positive side of that. It's just different. Yes, it is. Yeah. It's just a different lifestyle. It's just very different. Yes. Yeah.
Uh, Yeah. My, uh, second grandson is in A Cappella and I know what you're talking about when he's involved, you know, the children are involved in that, Uh-huh. and he's been, he has traveled and they have won awards, so I Oh, really. Yeah. Uh-huh. And, I know where you're coming from Yeah. and it's, it's very nice. It is very nice. I think, uh, uh, those type of children, uh, that are involved in things like that, their, uh, goals are going to be set higher than the average child that are not participating in things. Well, I think so, and, and I think they've learned a whole lot about being part of a team, whether the team is your singing group, your band, your your sports team you know, you all have to pull together. Right.
Going to, Yeah. And, uh, A, a, a team effort, yes. Yeah, and so I've been real pleased with that, too. I think they've learned some real good life skills. Uh, you know, being involved in all those things. That, That's wonderful. And, uh, That's really is nice to have in your background, that, you know, then you can, you're, you can be very flexible. Yeah. Uh-huh. And, uh, there's less, uh, friction involved in relationships when you add that skill of teamwork. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, I mean a lot of people that are adults are having to go back and learn those basics when our children are already learning that. Yes, yes. And I think it's a step, a, a giant step of progress, I really do.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, uh, I, Give me some wonderful advice Catherine. What is the best advice of mothering that you know? The best of, Well, uh, Cathy, I think if you look to the Word of God and, uh, think on the things that are pure and lovely Besides don't sweat the small stuff Uh-huh. Oh, that's good, that's real good advice. and, uh, keep your mind off of negative things. Uh-huh. And keep your mind on positive things and, and stress that to your children. Uh-huh. And, uh, even if they're, even if they're discouraged, tell them that that's just a passing moment and to dwell on those things that are, uh, not negative and that are positive things in their life Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, I think you'll see a lot of growth in, uh, in their ability to, uh, control their thought pattern and, and when you employ the Word of God there's nothing as powerful as the Word of God. Absolutely.
Well, I would agree with that. We're also real active in our church and my kids do an awful lot with that. Allyson sings in the choir. I told her that's a gift from God and you need to return that back. Oh, absolutely. That's right. And you owe, you owe that back to God because he's given you that ability and that talent Uh-huh and and that's real nice. Right. I'm real proud of her. I'm equally proud of her when I see her in church as I am when I see her performing. You know, that's, that's real neat. Well, if she looks, if she looks at it as you suggest that, that that's, that she can give her, her talent back to the Lord for His glory and she can look at it that way and, and, uh, that's ... Uh-huh. Okay, uh, do you work outside the home? No,
I do not. Okay, wow Do you? Have you? Have I? Yes, uh-huh. Uh, no, not actually Okay, well, yes I do. Okay. In fact, I am at work right now. Uh, and so let me take the lead, uh, Angela. Uh, I think what is really important, uh, of course, salary is very important, because that's why you are working for your, for the money, but, job satisfaction to me is also, uh, very important in having a job. And, uh, one of the things that, uh, she asked us to discuss was benefits. Uh, I'm assuming that you are married and have a husband that supports you. Right.
Okay. And so we could, we could talk about, uh, that path, you know, how important you think his benefits are. And, and, and, uh, how important you think they are and if, what would you like to see increased in his benefits. Okay. Like, uh, perhaps, uh, he has, uh, the benefit of having eyeglasses for the family, uh, uh, and how much coverage, uh, it provides and also, your hospital coverage, and, uh, um, probably dental. How important you think that would be. Right. I, I think that job wise benefits are just as important as salary is. Because they, of course, if you did not have them, you would be pulling from your salary, of course. Exactly, Right, exactly. right. Especially when you have a family, with children, and you are always going to the doctor for, And they always have surprises for you. Exactly, With children, they always do. You know, and so, it's, it is, uh, we could not do without the benefit package from, from any company that we worked for, whether they be a conglomerate or just a small, uh, uh, business. Yeah,
I think any, any, even if your insurance policy is not the greatest. You would still have something. Exactly. You you would not be pulling it out of your account all of the time just by yourself. Right. Also, for working women uh, I think a lot of the companies should start providing for day-care in the, in the, in the building. Yes. Uh-huh. They are getting a handle on that, in fact, uh, my oldest daughter is, uh, is uh, a nurse and she just received her masters degree and she is now into consulting and that's one of the areas that she is working on. To have, uh, uh, a day care center for the the children of the, of the nurses that are staffing the facility. Right. And that is true in many, many areas of, you know, uh, job titles and professions. Yeah. Like in may case, I have three children *spelling: 'may' should be 'my' from ages nine to two. And, it's just unfeasible for me to try to get a job because all the money that I would, be making would be going to day care. Uh-huh. Sure. Would, it would, It would be just futile.
And it would be just, And they would not have the quality, basically be me working to pay for them to be at a day care, center. And they, would be deprived of their mother. Exactly. Yeah. No, I understand that totally Besides which, it would be easier, uh, there's a lot of single mothers out there now, from divorces and a lot of, women are starting to have babies without a partner. Oh, I hear , Yes, that's true. And to go to work, you are worried about your child, besides which you have to get up earlier to take the child to day care. Right. And if they were in the same building then you are going to the same place, Uh-huh. and you could go for your lunch hour down and visit with your child, or, you know, and take your breaks with your children, or something. Yes. Do you, Do you think that you should fund that if they have that as a benefit, if you would fund that somewhat from your salary that you are getting? Do you think that would be, acceptable?
I think I, think it would be fair. I do too. I think if, if the company could not provide it all on their own, for the, for the people that would be using it, you know, a certain amount of their salary would go to it. Right, that you, Right. That's right. But it would still probably be cheaper with the company helping, our if everybody, you know, pulled their own weight in it. With the company than, than having to go, That's , that's right. Yes, I, agree with that. I think it would be really. really great. That would be fair. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Uh, and how, how do you feel about, uh, let's see, eye care?
Eye care is good. I do not, I am not I do not think we have that on our policy. Okay. But, uh, we, Vision, I guess it's called, vision care. Yeah. It would be great, I mean, uh, the glasses that, the exams themselves are not expensive, it's the glasses. It depends on who examines your eyes. Yeah, that's true. If you have an, an optometrist or an ophthalmologist, there's a vast difference in those two, uh, professionals. Right, now like my ... Right. Well, like my mother, she has to go for testing cause she has got, Glaucoma. Well, she does not have it,
but, she is like, on the verge of it or, something. Oh. Oh, okay, so, Her eyes are changing, Yes. and she has to be tested periodically. And, and those are expensive tests. Uh-huh. Yes, they are. Now, I think your insurance covers her on that, Uh-huh. but you know, for something like that, that's just as bad as a medical, you know, that's, Right, that's critical, because she's in need of it so often. Right. Yes, and, you know, we have, uh, needs in our life that are unique to us
and, uh, you know, people have needs in their life that unique to us, to them. Right. I mean, we are all different so, Now, I would like to see better dental insurance to me. Was that our beep? Well, no that's my other phone. Oh. Huh. So, that's it that's okay, my, that phone is ringing to an empty desk and she's on vacation, Okay. so, it's okay. But, with the three children um, orthopedic care, um, not orthopedic, orthodontic care, Uh-huh. That's very expensive.
because on, on a lot of the dental insurance, they do not cover that well. For the, the orthodontia stuff. Yes, that's true. Orthodontic work is terribly expensive. Yes, it is. Especially when you have a lot of problems with the children teeth, and, and you have to really get them when they are young, in order to have, uh, not, uh, a decent smile when they are fifteen, sixteen years old. Uh-huh. Right. I know, two of my daughters had to have that and they started having extractions at age eight, uh, because they just had too many teeth for their size mouth. Yeah. And we footed the bill, because there was not any such thing and when they were young. Right. My middle child needs to have, uh, orthodontic, he's because his, his pallet is squared, not rounded. Oh, uh-huh. And it affects his speech a little bit, not, not anything, you know, Uh-huh, major.
Right. Uh-huh. But just enough that his bite is off a little bit and it's like four hundred dollars, and my insurance is only going to cover like fifty of it. Well, I tell you I, I just read an article in the paper about what they are doing, I think it was an ad in, in our publication at Texas Instruments, where they are breaking the jaw and, and lining the jaw up with the teeth. Oh. It's, it's less painful and less expensive. Really. Yeah. That sounds like it would hurt more. I, I know, but it, it's, it's, uh, easier on the patient in the long run, which amazed me. Oh, gosh. I, I would much rather that, do that, to myself than make my five year old go in and do it. That would kill me. Do you have any personal feelings on, on uh, the subject? Well, uh, capital punishment is a hard thing, but, uh, there's been several, there have been several things that have happened where I felt like if I had been involved in it I would have had to, to go along with, with that being the punishment given to, to the people.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. There have been some things, you know, there's things done that are just So outrageous. I know, I know. Yeah, that I do not know how, I do not really there's any other way to deal with it. Right. Well I, I guess my concern is what we are reading, especially in Texas right now with them letting out the people out of jail as soon as they are out of prison when they do and having them go right back the day they get out, back in crime. And especially when they are assaulting, people and then killing people, I mean, the man who, killed those three sheriffs deputies, he is out free, walking the street. Yeah. I think that that, that, that's a really, I have a real problem, with that. Yeah, if it's a, if it's a clear and present danger, I mean it, I think so. But, it's something that's really hard to deal with, the way that our justice system is right now, is basically set up in lawyers and, and anybody, will tell you that, uh, it is set up right now, all the laws protect the criminal.
Right. Right. They are the ones with the rights. They have the right to, uh, you know, I think I watched something last week, uh, , I am sorry, the accused has the right to a speedy trial. But, the victim does not have the right, does not have the same does not have the same, the same emphasis on those things, as far as they are concerned, so, now the accused can, can ask for delays and extensions and, what do they call, Right. Right. whatever they call them, you know. And meanwhile, the witnesses, move and die and and they, Uh-huh, uh-huh, exactly. Continuance, and there's no one to face them. They can get continuances on for years, before the thing ever comes to trial and that makes the victim suffer, more.
Right. Right. Well, they can not get any, if the judge is going to have any award to the victim, it just puts off their collecting it. *probably should be cannot The , Yeah, that too. It's, it's really bad, Um, it, I, I think that, uh, you know, that there needs to be a way that, you know, once someone has gone through, you know, a trial, I do not know how to fix it. I mean, it just seems like there, there should be a limit on how many appeals can be made. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. You know, when someone has been, A time limit too. Yeah, when someone Well, even when someone has been convicted
and, I mean, it's just so, so abundantly clear that they did it. Right. But appealing, you know, and continuing to appeal, like four or five or six times. To have convictions overturned and then they have to be retried and all that. It's such a waste of time and energy and money. And it, it just, that's what keeps, that's what is keeping all the, the, you know, the criminals in a position of being able to be released all the time, like this. Right. Do you feel like there's any certain type of crime that this should be the results, they should be consequences of capital punishment, or, or, are there some murders committed that you think leniency should be shown. Oh. Well, I guess there's extenuating circumstances to anything like that. Uh, you know, like I, I could see, uh, a first time offender being, you know, maybe, in a, in a robbery situation, trying to hold up a store and getting scared and, you know, firing a gun and accidently killing someone. Uh-huh. Okay, I could see that that might be the situation where, uh, the person could be rehabilitated. But, I think just out and out murder, and I am talking about, uh, cutting people up you know, where there's shown to be pathological tendencies where this person has done it over and over again, in a serial fashion or whatever That those, kinds of things and any, any kind of violent assault, rape included, needs to addressed in, in, in that context Okay. Right.
Uh-huh. And how do you feel about murders of law officers or fire people or something that are, because they have had them, they have had them killed when they have, Well, what bothers me, that bothers me a great deal, I had a friend who was a police officer, who was killed in the line of duty. Um, um, um. And the thing that was the worst about it is that these, that, uh, two of these individuals were, well all of the individuals involved were very young. One was technically a minor, and they had told their teachers that I mean, repeatedly during high school, they had told their teachers that they were going to be, that they were going to graduate from high school and kill cops That was what they had told their, teachers, Oh. and so that's what they did And, uh, they were, they were given, I think, That would be premeditated Oh, absolutely. He stopped them for routine traffic violation and they uh, several, several things happened that night but they, they beat him up and took his gun and shot him with it.
Uh, uh, uh. And it was, it was really terrible. I mean, uh, I had seen him like three or days before that. Uh-huh. He, we had gone out, uh, with he and his wife and that was really, really disturbing you know, that that happened. Uh-huh. And these people, you know, in the, in the course of the trial, you know, came up with, with all these, you know, things about well, you know, they were disadvantaged and all this stuff. Well, nobody is that disadvantaged No. Well, that's right, there's no reason, for murder. And there's just no I mean, No. I do not care if you are poor or if you are rich or if you are, ugly or what there, that, that's just beyond, the, Yeah, I think so too. And that's, uh, so, I, I do feel strongly about.

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