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From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer)
Subject: 6551A and 6551 compatibility
Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG
Lines: 10
Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551..
It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need
a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered
version perhaps?
--
jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable
johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox)
bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand)
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From: rogerskm@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Karen Rogers)
Subject: Remapping <return> key in a dialog
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Lines: 58
I am new to X programming, so please bear with me....
I am trying to have a dialog box that returns it's value upon the
user entering a new value and hitting the <return> key. (don't want
to have a "done" button). The piece of code below will work if
I exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone
shed some light on this or suggest a better way? Ultimately I will
have several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify
parameters in the program.
Thanks for your help,
Karen Rogers
Dupont
rogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com
######### Code starts here ################
void doit()
{
printf("Entered the doit function\n");
exit();
}
main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
Widget toplevel;
Widget outer;
XtAppContext app_con;
Widget samples;
Arg args[3];
static XtActionsRec key_actions[]=
{
{"doit", doit},
};
toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, "TEST", NULL, 0,
&argc, argv, NULL, NULL);
outer = XtCreateManagedWidget( "paned", panedWidgetClass, toplevel,
NULL, ZERO);
XtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions));
XtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, "Enter value");
XtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, "0");
samples = XtCreateManagedWidget("samples", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2);
XtOverrideTranslations(samples,
XtParseTranslationTable("<Key>Return: doit()"));
XtRealizeWidget(toplevel);
XtAppMainLoop(app_con);
}
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From: rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)
Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Lines: 39
In article <Apr.13.00.08.04.1993.28376@athos.rutgers.edu>,
mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>
> In article <Apr.12.03.44.17.1993.18833@athos.rutgers.edu>
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
> >
> > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do
> >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a
> >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior
> >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were "living in the
> >last days" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods
> >anyway?
>
> I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it.
> It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows
> when the second coming will take place.
>
> --
> :- Michael A. Covington
I do recall Watt making a comment to this effect, though it was quite a few
years back and I can't cite the specifics. I also recall that Cecil Andrus, who
was Secretary of the Interior during the Carter Administration, responded
to Watt's comments by pointing out the stewardship role that God gave
to man, as recorded in Genesis. Which makes me wonder: who are the
true conservatives? It seems to me that a *conservative* should want to
*conserve* things of value for long-term societal benefit. This form of
*conservation* should logically extend to the physical environment in
which people live, as well as the moral environment in which they relate
to one another and to God.
IMHO, Watt's stewardship status is not enhanced by the fact that he served
on the board of directors for Jim Bakker's organization, during a time in
which Bakker committed criminal acts which eventually landed Bakker
in federal prison.
Bob
rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu
Just another Baptist...
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From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Tempest
Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Lines: 32
In article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk
(Ross Anderson) writes:
>res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
>> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent
>> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?
>We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in
>picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough
>that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you
>can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can
>lock in on one and average the others out.
>
>The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts
>of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also
>highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to
>another,
>
Hell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy
device. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a "noise"
signal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the
emissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to
make remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course,
the consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will)
cause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It's a matter
of balancing security versus convenience.
BTW, I'm an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and
Telecommunications/Cryptographic Equipment Technician.
--
REMEMBER WACO!
Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?
[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
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From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
Subject: Cryptography FAQ 06/10 - Public Key Cryptography
Organization: The Crypt Cabal
Lines: 108
Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com
Summary: Part 6 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Public Key Cryptography.
Basics of public-key cryptography. The RSA version, its security,
speed of factoring. Other approaches.
X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part06
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 6: Public-Key Cryptography
This is the sixth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* What is public-key cryptography?
* What's RSA?
* Is RSA secure?
* How fast can people factor numbers?
* What about other public-key cryptosystems?
* What is public-key cryptography?
In a classic cryptosystem, we have encryption functions E_K and
decryption functions D_K such that D_K(E_K(P)) = P for any plaintext
P. In a public-key cryptosystem, E_K can be easily computed from some
``public key'' X which in turn is computed from K. X is published, so
that anyone can encrypt messages. If D_K cannot be easily computed
from X, then only the person who generated K can decrypt messages.
That's the essence of public-key cryptography, published by Diffie
and Hellman in 1976.
In a classic cryptosystem, if you want your friends to be able to
send secret messages to you, you have to make sure nobody other than
them sees the key K. In a public-key cryptosystem, you just publish X,
and you don't have to worry about spies.
This is only the beginning of public-key cryptography. There is an
extensive literature on security models for public-key cryptography,
applications of public-key cryptography, other applications of the
mathematical technology behind public-key cryptography, and so on.
* What's RSA?
RSA is a public-key cryptosystem defined by Rivest, Shamir, and
Adleman. For full details, there is a FAQ available by ftp at
RSA.COM. Here's a small example.
Plaintexts are positive integers up to 2^{512}. Keys are quadruples
(p,q,e,d), with p a 256-bit prime number, q a 258-bit prime number,
and d and e large numbers with (de - 1) divisible by (p-1)(q-1). We
define E_K(P) = P^e mod pq, D_K(C) = C^d mod pq.
Now E_K is easily computed from the pair (pq,e)---but, as far as
anyone knows, there is no easy way to compute D_K from the pair
(pq,e). So whoever generates K can publish (pq,e). Anyone can send a
secret message to him; he is the only one who can read the messages.
* Is RSA secure?
Nobody knows. An obvious attack on RSA is to factor pq into p and q.
See below for comments on how fast state-of-the-art factorization
algorithms run. Unfortunately nobody has the slightest idea how to
prove that factorization---or any realistic problem at all, for that
matter---is inherently slow. It is easy to formalize what we mean by
``RSA is/isn't strong''; but, as Hendrik W. Lenstra, Jr., says,
``Exact definitions appear to be necessary only when one wishes to
prove that algorithms with certain properties do _not_ exist, and
theoretical computer science is notoriously lacking in such negative
results.''
* How fast can people factor numbers?
It depends on the size of the numbers. In October 1992 Arjen Lenstra
and Dan Bernstein factored 2^523 - 1 into primes, using about three
weeks of MasPar time. (The MasPar is a 16384-processor SIMD machine;
each processor can add about 200000 integers per second.) The
algorithm there is called the ``number field sieve''; it is quite a
bit faster for special numbers like 2^523 - 1 than for general numbers
n, but it takes time only about exp(O(log^{1/3} n log^{2/3} log n)) in
any case.
An older and more popular method for smaller numbers is the ``multiple
polynomial quadratic sieve'', which takes time exp(O(log^{1/2} n
log^{1/2} log n))---faster than the number field sieve for small n,
but slower for large n. The breakeven point is somewhere between 100
and 150 digits, depending on the implementations.
Factorization is a fast-moving field---the state of the art just a few
years ago was nowhere near as good as it is now. If no new methods are
developed, then 2048-bit RSA keys will always be safe from
factorization, but one can't predict the future. (Before the number
field sieve was found, many people conjectured that the quadratic
sieve was asymptotically as fast as any factoring method could be.)
* What about other public-key cryptosystems?
We've talked about RSA because it's well known and easy to describe.
But there are lots of other public-key systems around, many of which
are faster than RSA or depend on problems more widely believed to be
difficult. This has been just a brief introduction; if you really want
to learn about the many facets of public-key cryptography, consult the
books and journal articles listed in part 10.
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From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)
Subject: I WANT YOUR 486sx or dx CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lines: 14
Organization: Dakota State University
Lines: 14
I am in the market for a couple of Intel 486 chips.
Please let me know if you have one (or more) for sale.
I am interested in both SX and DX models, but they
must be Intel.
email me at: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
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From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3
Article-I.D.: world.C52nBL.u5
Organization: Sun User Group
Lines: 192
Nntp-Posting-Host: bridge.sug.org
In article <1993Apr6.081605.12977@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:
>
>>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:
>>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although
>>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force
>>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works
>>around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of
>>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads:
>> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu
>>to:
>> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic
>
>No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS.
>It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems.
>
>Casper
I don't know how many hours you've spent on this, but the Sun User
Group makes X11R5 available on CD-ROM to its members. The 1992.1 disk
has both sources and binaries and it sells for $50. I've tagged a
table of contents and an orderform on below if anyone's interested.
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 19
In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote:
> As I have stated on a parallel thread, I am not an anarchist, nor is
> Islam anarchist. Therefore the UK should have control over itself.
> However, this does not change the fact that it is possible for citizens
> of the UK residing within the UK to be in violation of Islamic law.
This is an interesting notion -- and one I'm scared of. In my
case I'm a Finnish citizen, I live in USA, and I have to conform
to the US laws. However, the Finnish government is not actively
checking out what I'm doing in this country, in other words checking
out if I conform to the Finnish laws.
However, Islamic law seems to be a 'curse' that is following you
everywhere in the world. Shades of 1984, eh?
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Spagthorpe Viking
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
Lines: 103
DS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
DS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
DS>>Riding up the hill leading to my
DS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
DS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
DS>>the Spagthorpe Viking).
DS> I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking. Was
DS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
DS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?
No. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when
(forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing.
The first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max
Friz's famous design, but with an overhead "point cam" (see below for
more on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground
clearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so
that the ground clearance was substantially increased:
==@== <-Springer motor (front)
Viking motor (front) -> \=@=/
This is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved
around a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn
in the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting
rods to accomodate the stroke.
The engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still
unique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and
and extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was
required to drive both overhead valves.
Just as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a
pressurized stream of oil to power the "waterwheel" which kept the lobe
spinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal
engineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to
normal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random,
resulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a
little hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the
beast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to
pressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however,
uses an electric oil pump. Wimps).
Despite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively
firing its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily
lose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even
higher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This
was feasible because it was a racing engine.
With just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod/shaft/chain towers
because of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an
almost perfect point:
/\
/()\ <-lobe
/ XX \ <-complex linkage (not shown due to
valvestems -> / \ / \ complexity)
| | | |
| |===| |
=0= <---piston
|
Note that the tip was not truly vertical
(it was at about a 70 degree angle to the
ground, and this drawing doesn't show the
curvature because there was none in the
head itself. The bore curve would start
about where the cylinder bore disappears in
this diagram
The effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of
the day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of
finned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the
name.
The Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it
worked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary
technology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that
racing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines
were raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate
(approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two
Springers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and
down that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as
twenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern
record of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle
historians discount this story.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding.
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From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau)
Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] "Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"
In-Reply-To: bevans@carina.unm.edu's message of 4 Apr 1993 12:19:20 GMT
Organization: -
<1993Apr3.214557.24073@midway.uchicago.edu> <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu>
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In article <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes:
Just what do gay people do that straight people don't?
Absolutely nothing.
I'm a VERY straight(as an arrow), 17-year old male that is involved in the BSA.
I don't care what gay people do among each other, as long as they don't make
passes at me or anything. At my summer camp where I work, my boss is gay.
Not in a 'pansy' way of gay (I know a few), but just 'one of the guys'.
He doesn't push anything on me, and we give him the same respect back, due
to his position.
If anything, the BSA has taught me, I don't know, tolerance or something.
Before I met this guy, I thought all gays were 'faries'. So, the BSA HAS
taught me to be an antibigot.
Basically, It comes down to this: What you do among yourself is your own
business. No one else has the right to tell you otherwise, unless it
violates someone else's civil rights.
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From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males.
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu
Reply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
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it may be a little late to reply to your tirade and also on an inaapropriate
board but along with all of the so called great things the white male has done they have also contributed to society by means of mass genocide, the theft of
ideas and cultures, creating and the perptration of historical lies throughouttime among many other horrible activities.
but every culture has its upside and its downside. it seems to me that the
white male (must be extremely ignorant to qualify for the following - if
you're not disregard) and western culture are the only things that look to
actively classify things as good or bad, worthy or unworthy (ya dig)
it can be seen with slavery and the manipulation and destruction of the
american indians civilization. nothing but selfish acts that benefit one
group of people (and not even their women get or got respected or regarded as
equal - ain't that some stuff)
white men - not being specific - but in a lot of cases are just wack or have
wack conceptions of how the world is to serve their purpose.
just look at david koresh - throughout history (i may be shortsighted on this one so excuse my predjudiced ignorance) only white men associate themselves withbeing GOD. no other culture is ignorant or arrogant enough to assume such a
position. and then to manipulate and mislead all those people.
hmmm... i'd say look in your history books but since it seems that history
has been written to glorify the exploits of white men you'd only find lies.
awww that's enough already from me because this has nothing to do with sex or this board. if ya'd like to continue this discussion e-mail me and we can
compare and contrast ideas
i like conflict - it's educational when the
communcation is good......................
my $.02 worth
(i apologize to those who thought this was going to be about SEX but i was
prompted by a response i found up here)
dave lewis - frisky HANDS man
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: How many read sci.space?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
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In <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes:
>There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah,
>this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby.
Yes, and I do everyone else. Why, you may wonder, don't I do 'Fred'?
Well, that would just be too *obvious*, wouldn't it? Oh yeah, this
isn't my real name, either. I'm actually Elvis. Or maybe a lemur; I
sometimes have difficulty telling which is which.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.195022.6362
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
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In article <1993Apr6.155743.18798@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't
>>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball
>>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba,
>>that is).
>
>MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to
>defect first.
>
>Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey
>players, until the political situation in those countries changed.
>
Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to
sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name)
...Canada does not have the restrictions against
Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the
Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the
Blue Jays would do this. Cubans players would not have to defect
to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos
and Blue Jays without any trouble.
Gerald
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Organization: Penn State University
From: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: free moral agency
Distribution: na
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In article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill
Conner) says:
>
>dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
>: Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing
>: on moral free agency. That is, how can a god punish a person for
>: not believing in him when that person is only following his or her
>: nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or
>: her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god?
>
>I think you're letting atheist mythology confuse you on the issue of
(WEBSTER: myth: "a traditional or legendary story...
...a belief...whose truth is accepted uncritically.")
How does that qualify?
Indeed, it's almost oxymoronic...a rather amusing instance.
I've found that most atheists hold almost no atheist-views as
"accepted uncritically," especially the few that are legend.
Many are trying to explain basic truths, as myths do, but
they don't meet the other criterions.
Also...
>Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of
>Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the
You accuse him of referencing mythology, then you procede to
launch your own xtian mythology. (This time meeting all the
requirements of myth.)
>salvation. The idea of punishment is based on the proposition that
>everyone knows (instinctively?) that God exists, is their creator and
Ah, but not everyone "knows" that god exists. So you have
a fallacy.
>There's nothing terribly difficult in all this and is well known to
>any reasonably Biblically literate Christian. The only controversy is
And that makes it true? Holding with the Bible rules out controversy?
Read the FAQ. If you've read it, you missed something, so re-read.
(Not a bad suggestion for anyone...I re-read it just before this.)
>with those who pretend not to know what is being said and what it
>means. When atheists claim that they do -not- know if God exists and
>don't know what He wants, they contradict the Bible which clearly says
>that -everyone- knows. The authority of the Bible is its claim to be
...should I repeat what I wrote above for the sake of getting
it across? You may trust the Bible, but your trusting it doesn't
make it any more credible to me.
If the Bible says that everyone knows, that's clearly reason
to doubt the Bible, because not everyone "knows" your alleged
god's alleged existance.
>refuted while the species-wide condemnation is justified. Those that
>claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God or that His will is
>unknown, must deliberately ignore the Bible; the ignorance itself is
>no excuse.
1) No, they don't have to ignore the Bible. The Bible is far
from universally accepted. The Bible is NOT a proof of god;
it is only a proof that some people have thought that there
was a god. (Or does it prove even that? They might have been
writing it as series of fiction short-stories. As in the
case of Dionetics.) Assuming the writers believed it, the
only thing it could possibly prove is that they believed it.
And that's ignoring the problem of whether or not all the
interpretations and Biblical-philosophers were correct.
2) There are people who have truly never heard of the Bible.
3) Again, read the FAQ.
>freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to
>ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known
>in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only
Bzzt...wrong answer!
Gravity is directly THERE. It doesn't stop exerting a direct and
rationally undeniable influence if you ignore it. God, on the
other hand, doesn't generally show up in the supermarket, except
on the tabloids. God doesn't exert a rationally undeniable influence.
Gravity is obvious; gods aren't.
>Secondly, human reason is very comforatble with the concept of God, so
>much so that it is, in itself, intrinsic to our nature. Human reason
>always comes back to the question of God, in every generation and in
No, human reason hasn't always come back to the existance of
"God"; it has usually come back to the existance of "god".
In other words, it doesn't generally come back to the xtian
god, it comes back to whether there is any god. And, in much
of oriental philosophic history, it generally doesn't pop up as
the idea of a god so much as the question of what natural forces
are and which ones are out there. From a world-wide view,
human nature just makes us wonder how the universe came to
be and/or what force(s) are currently in control. A natural
tendancy to believe in "God" only exists in religious wishful
thinking.
>I said all this to make the point that Christianity is eminently
>reasonable, that Divine justice is just and human nature is much
>different than what atheists think it is. Whether you agree or not
Xtianity is no more reasonable than most other religions, and
it's reasonableness certainly doesn't merit eminence.
Divine justice...well, it only seems just to those who already
believe in the divinity.
First, not all atheists believe the same things about human
nature. Second, whether most atheists are correct or not,
YOU certainly are not correct on human nature. You are, at
the least, basing your views on a completely eurocentric
approach. Try looking at the outside world as well when
you attempt to sum up all of humanity.
Andrew
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From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)
Subject: Re: MathCad 4.0 swap file
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Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Apr20.175608.23949@ncar.ucar.edu>, baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) writes:
> I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows
> without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be
> happy with this, or insist on a swap file?
I just got Mathcad 4.0, and the manual is not clear on the matter. On page 8:
:
:
* At least 4 megabytes of memory. All memory about 640K should be configured
as XMS.
:
:
* At least 8 megabytes of virtual memory....
Common sense suggests that you should be able to run it (4+8=12 < 16) but the
new Mathcad is kinda kooky, and thus is not subject to the laws of common
sense...
Dan
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From: mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: Committee to commemorate the WACO Ghetto Uprising
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In article <1r0mtoINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Gordon Storga writes:
>
>>Gentleman, are we also forgetting the near genocide of the Native American
>>for the barbaric act of being "heathen" (i.e. a non-Christian) by a
>>predominantly Christian government. That's a little over 200 years as I
>>recall. I'd say that for the most part it was religious persecution
>>(their religion dictated their lifestyle).
>
>This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were
>Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that
>white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really
>don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion.
My Native American Girlfriend asks: "If the government really doesn't
'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still
busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places?
You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church
at gunpoint."
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From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ...
>>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for
>>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the
>>following (from 1st to 6th):
>> 486 68040
>> 386 68030
>> 286 68020
>040 486 030 386 020 286
How about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark?
If you want, let me start it - 486DX2-66 - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 .
>>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list:
>> 68060
>> Pentium
>> PowerPC
>060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC
>somewhere in the vicinity.
Numbers? Pentium @66MHz - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 .
PowerPC @66MHz - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . (Note this is the 601)
(Alpha @150MHz - 74 SPECint92,126 SPECfp92 - just for comparison)
>>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the
>>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below:
>> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz
>No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed.
>Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and
>I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory
>system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If
>you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory
>every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but
>it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs.
Not in a clock-doubled system. There isn't a doubling in performance, but
it _is_ quite significant. Maybe about a 70% increase in performance.
Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean,
who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this
memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz.
>And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock
>speed as is the 68030.
Numbers?
>--
>Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
>ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ravikumar Venkateswar
rvenkate@uiuc.edu
A pun is a no' blessed form of whit.
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From: eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies
Summary: What Bullshit!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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Article from as follows
>From: bml2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN MICHAEL LUCY)
>Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies
>Date: 15 Apr 93 06:29:05 GMT
>Organization: Lehigh University
>Lines: 9
>In article <Uflkll_00VpcEKW15e@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit
>Likhy ani) writes: >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 9-Apr-93 Re:
>Let's Talk >Phillies u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens (963) > >> > like this. Oh
>well. How do we spell CELLAR? > > >> p - i - r - a - t
>- e - s > >> ` > > >>
>NINJA JEW > > >Are there any Philly fans who want to put money on that? If
>not, stop >your woofing. Ben Rivera got hammered. > True (last week), but
>tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him. THAT'S why
>we're 8-1!
One phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!!
Thanks.
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard?
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
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(MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED
SUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.)
I think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of
how the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now*
mean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection
of Jesus Christ'.
The meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean.
And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter
may possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival,
but *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to
honor any kind of "pagan goddess" by celebrating Easter.
It is nonsense to say "this word (or this practice) 'really' means so-
and-so even though nobody realizes it." Words and practices don't mean
things, people do.
(This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about
things like this.)
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[Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages,
the word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to
celebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those
using English? --clh]
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From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)
Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick
Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US
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caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes:
> kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes:
>
> >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel "Sarum" a scene in
> >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a
> >secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered
> >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on
> >the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the
> >worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of
> >rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is
> >related to the Mithras cult?
> >
> >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter.
> >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which
> >take place are largely based on historical accounts.
>
> There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's
> _Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think
> 6? I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he
> was being a little eclectic.
>
> >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull
> >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some
> >Mediterranean cultures.
>
> Quite a bit. If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try.
>
> --
> -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273
> Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232
Yes. I cannot remeber which works I read about this in, as it was many
years ago. This ritual was called The Tarobaullum I believe, (The
spelling may be off).
Pope Charles
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Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy....
That's OK -- you can mail me if you want more discussion.
>Acquiring weapons in Norway:
>You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a
>permit, and a good reason to get the permit....
Around here, long-guns are proof of age and fill out the forms.
For pistols, nation-wide check for felonies and three days wait. The
"good reason" is the difference, and one Americans tend to get annoyed
over as we see no reason the guy with the badge is any better than us.
>It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ???
>You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...
Not when dealing with America. I can drive an 18-wheel truck
with no permit, no license, and at age 12 if I'm engaged in farming
work. Strange, that, but there is little to no problem with this.
Again, personal rights versus collective security.
>Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms'
>for a long time, but these are rather the exeption.
>Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short
>time befor the crime.
Strange that the rates would decline, since killing somebody
is much more frowned upon than merely stealing a gun.
>Use of knives:
>It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'.
>You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open
>in public -rigth ??
Why attract attention? I carry my sword openly to and from
practice, as that is the only legal thing I can do. I also attract
a lot of attention doing this. I'd rather be lost "in a crowd of one"
than be the subject of attention while carrying a weapon. Think of
the word "intimidation" and you can see where intimidation is not
the preferable method for the normal citizen.
>Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive':
>We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide
>to take action we DO.
>Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe....
>(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....)
Aggressive towards whom? Southerners? Germans? Precisely
why I think your society is less violent, weapons aside.
>Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some
>extent....
>Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ??
>What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of
>all the [masses?? -- editor barf -- Dan]
Then the masses have the same rights as the individuals, because
everything comes down to the individual in one instance or another. To
draw an analogy, Norway is involved in the EEC. The USA in involved in
NATO. The EEC requires certain changes in your laws. NATO requires
no such changes in USA law. These laws affect citizens, and hence
Norway is saying Europe is more important than, say, Norwegians having
motorcycles that make over 100bhp. In the USA, we'd likely tell the
EEC to get stuffed since the EEC has no business, in our eyes, in
telling us how much horsepower we can safely ride. While I note
that our own state governments often play with game with the federal
government, in essence this is a cultural difference between us.
>IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME.
>But should it have to be like that ??
It shouldn't. Since neither of our countries has managed to
remove criminals from society, in America we feel (and remember we
have individual states that are larger than your country) that if the
police cannot protect us then we must do so ourselves. The criminals
in our country are quite violent, hence we prepare for them.
>Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??
>If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think
>it should be free to buy guns ??
We don't. E-mail me to find out just how difficult it really
is in this country. It is easier than in yours, but theft is far
easier than the troubles we go through to purchase over here.
>I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as
>neccities or toys.
They are neither. They are an option. We would never force
you to own guns if you lived here. We would, however, fight to keep
that option open to you.
>I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't
>want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....
Then you show you are a responsible, rational user of weapons.
Welcome to our ranks. Now, how do we teach the young people this sort
of responsibility? Cultures seem to have a grave impact here.
I notice you didn't use my great-grandfather's name. Well,
he didn't like it much either ;-)
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: MS Windows VS Motif (GUI design differences), was Re: Future of Unix
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de
In article <IK.93Apr9075401@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com>, ik@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:
|> >>>>> "aab" == Andy Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> writes:
|>
|> aab> In <1993Apr7.200950.16856@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
|>
|> aab> <some deleted>
|>
|> >If you
|> >look closely at Motif, you will see that it is just MS-Windows
|> >with more eye-pleasing color and texture. The only real difference
|> >is that an MS application window can "contain" other toplevel children,
|> >while a Motif application window "launches" its children out onto the
|> >desktop.
|>
|> aab> To those of you familiar with both GUIs, is this correct? My experience
|> aab> with X makes me think that this MSW behavior is easily duplicated
|> aab> with X11. But I don't know MSW...
|>
|> Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that
|> handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Also, I believe
|> that in Windows 3.x you're limited to 64K of resources (windows, menus,
|> icons, etc.).
IMHO this whole discussion named "Motif looks like MS-Windogs" is totally
stupid. The only thing remotely influenced here can be the Motif Window
Manager, that features an arrangement of buttons and menus somewhat
similiar to this of the MS-W windowmanaging agent, however its name is.
But MWM is only a SMALL part of Motif, in fact, MWM and Motif can work
without each other, and if one doesn't like MWMs outfit for some reason,
he switches to another windowmanager. All this doesn't influence Motif,
which is a toolkit of widgets to write applications, and this toolkit
is IMHO uncomparable to MS-W, because it is much more wellorganized and
features alot of goodies more than the MS-W interface.
You cannot say "A Porsche looks like a VW Käfer" ONLY because they have the
wheel and the gear at the same position. Motif and MS-W are complete
different worlds, only one element of the Motif world has some gear and wheel
at the same position as MS-W.
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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What
>I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to
>ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is
>the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe
>I realize that incidences such as the one described in the
>letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to
>ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the
>Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think
>that might be a reason they report more clearly on the
>atrocities.
> What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of
>the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing
>received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt
>go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races
>when they got power. It is unfortunate.
Well said Mr. Beyer :)
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From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.UK (Yuri Rzhanov)
Subject: REPOST: XView slider
Organization: The Internet
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To: xpert <xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Hi Xperts,
this is a repost (no one responded to my desperate yell 8-(
I can't believe there is no XView wizards any more 8-)...
I'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric
field. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field.
In some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters,
in some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by
PANEL_MAX_VALUE!
As I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls
number of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't
work in the case of slider, despite the fact that <panel.h>
contains the following bit:
/* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item,
* Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes
*/
PANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM, 152),
PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT, 182),
which gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders.
But 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting
this attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and returns value 0.
Strange thing is that DEC's port of XView gives plenty of space
in a text fields, but not Sun's Xview...
Can someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me,
and clear this problem?
Any help is very much appreciated.
Yuri
yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
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In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes:
>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications
>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted
>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to
>prevent asthma); Vancenase.
Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.
It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,
and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly
doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause
drowsiness.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: agiacalo@nmsu.edu (Toni Giacalo)
Subject: need algorithm for reading and displaying bitmap files
Organization: New Mexico State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.nmsu.edu
Keywords: GIF PCX BMP
I'm making a customized paint program in DOS and need an algorithm
for reading bitmap files like GIF, PCX, or BMP. Does anyone have
such an algorithm? I've tried copying one out of a book for reading
.PCX format but it doesn't work. I will take an algorithm for any
format that can be created from Windows Paint.
Thanks!
Toni
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says:
>brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be
>>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may
>>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the
>>park.
>
>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
>
>But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You
>should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others.
>
>BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm
>talking about, as I live in Germany.
>
>>- BK
>
>Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
not a flame, just a point: I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel
_I_ or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said:
drivers who are STUPID. Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so
they pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real
smart... This scares me in cities at 50. When i can't see enough of
the car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE. And
when i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this
is why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise
that reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their
car.
my thoughts..
DREW
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Does the FAQ crash YOUR newsreader?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
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The r.s.h FAQ sheet never fails to crash my newsreader. The only way I
can avoid crashing (and restarting the machine) is to look at the headers and
avoid reading the FAQ. Does anyone else have problems reading the FAQ?
Tim Irvin
******************************************************************************
The season is near a merciful end...
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From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati
Organization: HSH Associates
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In article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
> shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
> :
> : Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
> :
> : Regards,
> : Steve.
>
>
> No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name
> as an insult. Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of
> moral failing?
Yes, it is -- you could look it up. And spare us the thin-skinned
indignation, please; what's sauce for four years of using George Herbert
Walker Bush and J. Danforth Quayle as an insult is sauce for William
Jefferson Blythe Clinton. Do you feel that calling a President by his full
name implies some sort of disrespect? Hint: this is a rhetorical question.
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Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com)
* They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading.
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From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: << AMIGA 3000, etc FOR SALE >> as of 4/2/93
In-Reply-To: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 20:09:59 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
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In article <1pi6in$isg@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) writes:
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4/02/93~~~~~~~~~~
1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE: $1700 OBO.
Mind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged
keyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000/030
(A4000-EC030/4 megs/120meg IDE HD/HD Floppy/v3.0 OS - $1899)?
I'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less
than 1K without monitor. Brand new the A3000-25mhz/50 meg HD/HD
floppy/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so.
Considering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS
I'll offer $700. Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than
$250-$300 these days.
N. Tzeng
--
Nigel Tzeng
.sig under construction
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Subject: Re: Need longer filenames
From: maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston)
Distribution: world
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz
Lines: 10
In article <765461d518325t9@infoserv.com> hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) writes:
>In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than
>> the standard 8.3 format.
>
Yep, it's called OS2!
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From: brett@oce.orst.edu (Brett Barksdale)
Subject: ***** HIGH-END CAR STEREO FOR SALE *****
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: porky.oce.orst.edu
=============================================================================
NOTE: This is being posted for a friend. DO NOT REPLY to my account. Please
direct all replies to Scott Burke at scott@sparcom.com
=============================================================================
Alpine 5959S 6-CD Shuttle. Paid $600, want $420/OBO.
Alpine 1203 Remote CD Changer Control. Paid $250, want $175/OBO.
Boston ProSeries 10.0 Subwoofers (2) + Box. Paid $545, want $380/OBO.
All equipment is under 6 months old and includes a full-replacement 5-year
warranty from original point of purchase. The subwoofer box was custom
designed to fit in the back of a Bronco II and is 14" by 21" by 27".
Send replies to: scott@sparcom.com
-----
Scott Burke - Project Leader - Sparcom Corporation - Corvallis OR
scott@sparcom.com - Telephone (503) 757-8416 - FAX (503) 753-7821
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"Just waiting for the nuts..."
Brett Barksdale brett@porky.oce.orst.edu
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From: karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE)
Subject: Software and Hardware FOR SALE
Nntp-Posting-Host: helios.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
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I have the following items for sale:
Animation Works software for Macintosh by Gold Disk
This is a brand new shrink-wrapped copy
Microsoft Excel for Windows Ver. 4.0
Opened, but includes everything including Registration card
Video7 FastWrite VGA card. 512 video memory. 800x600 resolution.
Everex 2400b internal modem.
Video card and the modem are used items.
If you are interested make a reasonable offer. I wish to ship these
UPS COD.
Please email me at karu@nevada.edu.
Thank you.
Karu.
karu@nevada.edu
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From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino)
Subject: Re: wrong RAM in Duo?
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
Lines: 53
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu
Here is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation.
(w/o permission. I hope that is ok)
Jose
Bad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple
Macintosh PowerBook Duos)
MacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132.
COPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993
By Raines Cohen
Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook
Duos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss
and other problems.
Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week
issued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM
products from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify.
Other vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist.
> Self-refresh. The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called
selfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps. But
Technology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with
nonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to
wake from sleep.
Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part
number stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips
instead have an L, according to TechWorks. The chip label, however, may
not tell the whole story. Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses
nonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed
while the Duo sleeps.
> Speed. Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo
cards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology
Works said. However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are
certified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed.
Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers
Duo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is
compatible with the slower chips.
> Space. Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that
some third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner
of the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally
when in a Duo Dock.
Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it
originally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all
customers free upgrades to cards that fit.
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Lines: 36
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202
boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface
>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better
>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.
They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been
they only light 'em at junctions.
I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and
localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are
essentially nonexistant.
>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,
>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe
>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.
I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary
dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of
interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be
very optimistic in any car.
I'm not sure what you call "quite severe" in terms of road deviations
but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be
considered so. They're hard to take at 85mph. That's not the only
interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive
frequently.
Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere
has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such
wide-open spaces. It just ain't so.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
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Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3
From: <CHLBS079@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Subject: change default visual
Lines: 5
My HP720 workstation uses PseudoColor (id 0x21, 255 colors) as the
default visual. How can I start X with different visual as default?
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From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>You are loosing.
>
>There is no question about it.
>
>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter
>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA.
Not so. Surveys have shown while the public thinks certain types
of gun control may be acceptable they do believe they have an
individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the police should
not have /discretion/ over who may and may not own firearms.
>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your
>RKBA will be null and void.
By the end of the Clinton administration a lot of things will be
screwed up. Hell, we'll probably be just like England.
> Tough titty.
"Tough titty" ? My how eloquent you are.
As for your claim, I think Clinton has a big fight ahead of him if
he thinks he's going to pass some comprehensive gun legislation.
He will sign the Brady Bill if it gets to his desk. We will do
whatever we can to either keep that from happening, or modify it
such that it is acceptable to us.
>You had better discover ways to make do without firearms.
Sorry, that's not possible. And that's why we won't give them up
either. Legally or illegally, American's will keep their firearms.
The number of unregistered weapons in New York City is in the millions.
There aren't even close to that number of violent criminals there.
>The number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause.
If the gov't was serious about stopping violent crime they would
keep violent criminals in jail for a long long time where they
belong instead of letting them out on early release.
>There is nothing you can do about it.
Hey, we can go into politics too if we feel like it.
> Those who live by the sword shall die by it.
I don't believe this one bit.
>The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against
>you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it !
Snore. Like I take advice on the RKBA from a Brit. No way.
>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect
>them. Resistance is useless.
You watch too much "Star Trek". Actually, this is an understandable
attitude from a Brit; you are a subject of the state.
>They will overwhelm you - one at a time.
Not necessarily. There are ways of resisting oppression without
getting caught by the gov't.
>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an
>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'.
The "abstract criminal" like the ones who killed a relative of mine
while she was working in a carry-out.
>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions
>are passe'.
While undesirable, they are sometimes unavoidable. If you don't want
to resist a criminal attack by all means do nothing. I will (a) take
my chances resisting violent attack, and (b) stand a better chance of
being unharmed than someone who does nothing.
>Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will
>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...
What a joke. Criminals want a disarmed population. How can you keep
criminals from preying on us after our best means of self defense is
taken away ?
--
Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade)
Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER
Article-I.D.: netcom.rudyC52rBD.86w
Organization: Home of the Brave
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My god, hope we don't have to put up with this kind of junk all season!
In article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) writes:
> The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. They
>clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two
>homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three
How many home runs by Tartabull? Just 1, right, you must be thinking
of Dean Palmer or Juan Gonzalez (both of Texas) who each had 2 homers.
>run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools,
>tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more
I don't know how many to follow, but he was 1 for 4.
> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young.
Spare us, please!
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From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie)
Subject: Re: Joystick suggestions?
Nntp-Posting-Host: varley.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
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It depends on what you'd like your joystick for. I've seen Gravis
joysticks at Radio Shack. They seemed flimsy and didn't fit well in my
hand. I have heard on c.s.i.p.games that they don't last well (less than
a year) on flightsims. One redeeming feature does seem to be the ability
to adjust the tension of the stick.
I recently purchased a CH Flightstick. There aren't any suction cups and
no tension adjusters but otherwise it seems to be an excellent joystick.
I'm currently using it for the Wing Commander series and Red Baron. Works
quite well. The large base does not require a steadying hand and so
leaves it free. The buttons provide good tactile response (you can hear
and feel them well). There are other models made by CH that can go up or
down in features.
For price comparison Gravis analogue joysticks sell for ~$35.00 here
compared to the $45.00 I paid for a CH Flightstick. I think the extra
$10.00 is worth it just in feel. Best thing to do is to ask a salesperson
to let you try them out or at least feel it before you buy.
Just another note, analogue joysticks are best for flightsims or something
that needs sensitive touch. If you're only playing games such as Castle
Wolfenstein or some other game that only uses digital input (ie. only up,
down, left, etc. instead of 'how much right') you might want to look into
a Gravis gamepad. They look like a Nintendo control pad but I don't know
much beyond that.
--
Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and
University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality
Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks
chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society
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From: wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy)
Subject: old license plates wanted
Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: Bradley University
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Hi.. Me and My roomate are going to redecorate the "living room" and
we thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every
state in the US and then from whereever else we could find, like canada,
Mexixo, even some European ones.
If anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out
please let me know.... The more recent, the better, but anything
would be nice.
Either that or if you have an old plate hanging around... (hint hint!)
Kev
wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu
Kevin C Murphy
1312 West Main Street #421
Peoria IL 61606
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From: gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick)
Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk
Distribution: git
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 58
In comp.os.ms-windows.misc you write:
>While reading through the DOS 6.0 book, it states that the Windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive. To make things compatable,
>I removed my Permanent swap file before starting the upgrade. However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory. My question is: How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn't?
you might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best
explanation. But I can't guarantee that I'm not way off base...
The permenant swap file is read/written to by windows by talking
directly to the hard disk controller card. The controller card must
use the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that).
Windows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that
points to that file. It then uses the physical information about your
disk to index to information in that file.
compressed disks are actually "logical" disks. These disks have different
characteristics than the actual physical disk. Furthermore, the information
on the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used. (i.e it must
go through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating
system level or the BIOS level). Because of this "inbetween" program, windows
cannot use direct methods to read from the "logical" disk.
a permenant swap file is only there to "reserve" an area of the disk that
windows can use and to block that space from DOS. Windows would theoretically
not even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don't
know if it does or doesn't...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you
boot windows.)
a temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows
via DOS and the BIOS. If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded
the file access must go through DOS...TSR'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in
order to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER)
more on permenent swap files...
i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk
has seen the message "you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested
size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this
swap file anyway" or something like that.
well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why.
what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and
divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block
of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers.
They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows
uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he
said!
I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is
available to me if it's not going to use it?
any takers?
James
(if this doesn't get to the net, will someone post it for me? thanks)
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From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: KREME
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: rec
Lines: 18
In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hi folks!
>
>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
>one man's opinion.
>
>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
>
>
On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam. I kreme
it about a year ago and have had no problems at all. Be real careful as
the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.
-Jim
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From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: IBM software for sale, cheap!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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For Sale...:
Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers:
o Wing Commander deluxe edition
o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Includes registration card (so you can
send it in and register it in your name)
o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95
o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95
o Original price for Secret Missions II: $29.95
o Total original price: $129.85
o My asking price for all these of these
games TOGETHER is $65.00
o Wing Commander and the Secret Missions is a
battle and flight simulator set in space. It
includes all the standard fun things about
flight simulators, like taking off and landing
on carriers, flying -- of course -- and better
yet, it is also a battle simulator. It is a
lot of fun, indeed.
o An IBM PC or compatible with at least 640K, and
dual floppies or a hard drive is required.
o WinWay Resume for Windows
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Original price: $50.00
o My asking price: $35.00
o WinWay Resume is a resume writing program for
Windows. It is an excellent program (it got
me a job!) and running under the Window's
interface makes it very, very easy to use. All
you do is answer a few questions, and print out
the results. In just a few minutes, you have a
beautifully and professionally designed resume.
o An IBM PC with Windows 3.0 or later installed
and 1 MB of free hard disk space is required.
o More Typefaces
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Original price: $99.99
o My asking price: $30.00
o More Typefaces is a package of three TypeType
font families (for a total of twelve fonts) for
Windows 3.1. The fonts included are: Marque,
Crystal and Architech, and of course italic,
bold and bold italic versions are included with
all those fonts. Because of the unique font
software included with the package, these fonts
can be used with either the MoreFonts typeface
program, Adobe Type Manager, TrueType, GeoWorks,
Express Publisher and CorelDRAW.
o An IBM PC with Windows 3.1 and a hard disk is
required if you want to use the typefaces in
TrueType format. For all other formats, an
IBM PC and a hard disk with one of the programs
listed above is required.
If you are interested in any of these programs, please
either leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951,
anytime. If I don't answer, leave me a message on my answering
machine and I'll call you back. I will pay the shipping on all
of the programs to anywhere in the continental United States.
Thank you!
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From: osburn@halcyon.com (Tim Osburn)
Subject: Netware 3.11 & win 3.1 fileman
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc.
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Is there a update or something that will allow a person when
using novell 3.11 and windows 3.1 file manager to view the files with
the name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell
command ndir ?
tim osburn
osburn@halcyon.com
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From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar)
Subject: Re: CView answers
Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:
: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:
: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its
: >"current directory".
: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use
: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then
: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file
: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.
This is what I posted that cview uses the root directory of the drive
cview is on. However, since It has so much trouble reading large files
from floppy, I suspect that it uses the root directory of the drive the
image files are on.
Matthew Zenkar
mz@moscom.com
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From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Evo. & Homosexuality (Was Re: Princeton etc.)
Article-I.D.: srvr1.1psosqINN3gg
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Sorry, Bill, I had to clear this up. There may be good evolutionary
arguments against homosexuality, but these don't qualify.
In article <C4vwn0.JF5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote:
[deletions]
>: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function
[deletions]
>: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children?
>: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated. Obviously you keep to the
>: Monty Python song: "Every sperm is sacred". And if, as *you* say, it has
>: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own
>: arguement, natural.
>
>Consider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One
>of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a
>species procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context.
Oh? I guess all those social insects (e.g. ants, bees, etc.) which
have one breeding queen and a whole passel of sterile workers are on
the way out, huh?
>: These days is just ain't true! People can decide whether or not to have
>: children and when. Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's
>: another arguement...) so it's more of a "lifestyle" decision. Again by
>: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they
>: must be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children. Both are
>: as "unnatural" as each other.
>
>Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists
>for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That
>homosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and
>nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose.
I refer you to the bonobos, a species of primate as closeley related to
humans as chimpanzees (that is, very closely). They have sex all the
time, homosexual as well as heterosexual. When the group finds food, they
have sex. Before the go to sleep at night, they have sex. After they
escape from or fight off prdators, they have sex. Sex serves a very important
social function above and beyond reproduction in this species. A species
closely related to humans. There is some indication that sex performs
a social function in humans, as well, but even if not, this shows that
such a function is not *impossible*.
Sincerely,
Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu
"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the
stars!" - Robert A. Heinlein
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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 Interlink
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com
Lines: 9
jka@air77.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
>Hi,
> Does anyone know what type of cabling is required to use the Interlink
>capability, provided in DOS 6.0?
I tried a null modem cable and had two copies of procomm+ talking happily
to one another - but Interlink kept saying "No Connection made". I gave
up and used floppies!
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: sgi
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In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|>
|> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base
|> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly
|> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),
|> almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or
|> believe that "Freedom is not very valuable", when almost everyone can see
|> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert "it is not raining" on
|> a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it
|> it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values
|> such as this exist.
My own personal and highly subjective opinion is that freedom
is a good thing.
However, when I here people assert that the only "true" freedom
is in following the words of this and that Messiah, I realise
that people don't even agree on the meaning of the word.
What does it mean to say that word X represents an objective
value when word X has no objective meaning?
jon.
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From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program
Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
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In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C
>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling
>>his so called stimulus package.
>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free
>>immunizations for poor kids.
>
>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to
>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents
>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.
In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health
care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give
a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services
delivered to their doorsteps.
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From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN)
Subject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to
see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. You are getting
itchy as your fucking country. Hey , and dont give me that freedom
of speach bullshit once more. Because your freedom has ended when you started
writing things about my people. And try to translate this "ebenin donu
butti kafa David.".
BYE, ANACIM HADE.
TIMUCIN
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a
Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 19
In article <C5sy24.LF4@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>>Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures.
>>They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I've
>
>Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate?
If you culture out the spirochete, it is virtually 100% certain
the patient has Lyme. I suppose you could have contamination
in an exceptionally sloppy lab, but normally not. There are no
false positives.
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From: capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli)
Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
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In <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:
>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double
>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.
See:
Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,
"A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves",
ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.
_______________________________________________________________________
...Ron Capelli IBM Corp. Dept. C13, MS. P230
capelli@vnet.ibm.com PO Box 950
(914) 435-1673 Poughkeepsie, NY 12602
_______________________________________________________________________
"There are no answers, only cross references."
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,)
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Lines: 44
In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow
>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock
>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless
>there is a dyno handy.
I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little
too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc.
Apparently they back them of some even for track use.
You pays your money ...
__
Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous
>--
>Stamos <lmcstst@lmc.ericsson.se> ZZR11 Ellas
>Ericsson, Cellular Design
>Montreal, Canada.
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From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject: Okidata printer for sale
Organization: University of Northern Iowa
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Fellow netters,
I have an Okidata printer I would like to sell. A description follows:
Okidata 180 printer including cables for both IBM compatibles (Centronics
parallel) and Commodore (RS-232 - round). Also includes power cable, manual,
and a handful of computer paper to get you started. This is a 9-pin printer.
I recently cleaned the printhead and installed a new ribbon. A print sample
can be provided upon request. This is a very dependable printer - it never
jams or does "weird" things. I have used it with a Commodore for about 3 years
and am now using it with my 486sx. I use mainly WordPerfect 5.1 (see next
post) for which I got a driver (at no charge) that directly supports the
Okidata 180 in Epson FX mode.
When I got the printer, it was selling for around $200-220 new (I got mine
from Tenex brand new - for a Christmas present). I would like to get about
$100 or so for it. If you are interested at all in it, please give me a ring
(E-Mail) and make an offer.
- Kevin Harter
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From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: Reprints
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: cliff.watson.ibm.com
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I have a few reprints left of chapters from my book "Visions of the
Future". These include reprints of 3 chapters probably of interest to
readers of this forum, including:
1. Current Techniques and Development of Computer Art, by Franz Szabo
2. Forging a Career as a Sculptor from a Career as Computer Programmer,
by Stewart Dickson
3. Fractals and Genetics in the Future by H. Joel Jeffrey
I'd be happy to send out free reprints to researchers for scholarly
purposes, until the reprints run out.
Just send me your name and address.
Thanks, Cliff cliff@watson.ibm.com
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From: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu
Originator: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu
In article <bauer-060493101758@134.60.68.23>, bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes:
> In article <Afi9sHS00VohMrYlEe@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Donpaul C. Stephens"
> <deathbird+@CMU.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > What is the difference?
> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May
> >
> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only
> > what is the best?
>
> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed.
> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS)
> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions.
> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other
> manufacturer
>
> Christian Bauer
>
> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average
access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM
drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models.
- Chung Yang
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
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In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:
>In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their
>>hands up while national tv cameras watch.
>>
>Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever
>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of
>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough."
Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people
come out with their hands up several weeks ago.
>>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally
>>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely
>>scenarios.
>
>The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating
>that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly
>how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government.
More than someone who would not release children from the compound.
I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/"Jesus Christ".
I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in
1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult.
I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they
bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are
responsible for the fire, which started in two different places.
>>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.
>>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is
>>ludicrous.
>
>I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to
>risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people
>were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why?
>
>Drew
>--
>betz@gozer.idbsu.edu
>*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***
>*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights ***
>*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,
> semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
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From: ld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler)
Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton
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Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523
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I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal
assault on emerging American freedoms. The Clinton administration
nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever
in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating
`acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we
should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious
proposal. Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration
receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure.
I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology
to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures. The U.S.
government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any
serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone
with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this
proposal. The administration does not seem to understand that they
are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the
public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is
wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty.
>While encryption
>technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
>unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
>by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.
It seems to me that U.S. Diplomatic communications should be
tappable by the U.N. whenever any countries produce a warrant to
the U.N. In fact, I think we should stop paying the NSA billions
of dollars a year to produce unbreakable codes for this reason.
These actions violate the sovereignity of international law. (I hope
Mr. Clinton is shrewd enough to recognize my sarcasm and satire here.
But if he isn't, it's a modest and reasonable proposal, so he should
find merit with it nevertheless.)
Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong
cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen,
housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable
equilibrium. Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian
arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and
guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent
impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom.
>For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
>private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
>tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
>protecting Americans.
For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be
increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality
and protecting Americans.
>Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
>role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
>quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
>its use. The Administration is committed to policies that
>protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
>them from those who break the law.
It is not possible for the Federal Government
to ``act quickly'' or develop ``consistent, comprehensive
policies'' PERIOD. And even if by some grandiose miracle such
a thing were possible, it would only be an efficient way to
deprive American citizens of fundamental and inalienable rights.
The administration has to be committed to leaving private
industries alone, esp. on this issue. The government has no
legitimate role in regulating the content of communications.
Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their
surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be
disarmed of it.
>Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological
> solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
> willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
> powerful encryption devices?
No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent
to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate. This kind of
extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will
trade threats for threats, and violation for violation.
> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
> effectively done);
If the administration did say this, it would find itself
impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential,
established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy
guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing
whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and
criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast
segments of the population.
> nor is the U.S. saying that "every
> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
> unbreakable commercial encryption product."
The U.S., comprised of a vast majority of people fanatically
committed to preserving their privacy in the face of an
increasingly totalitarian government, is saying just that.
Take your chips and give them to NSA employees as Christmas bonuses.
We can run any algorithm on our computers we damn well please,
and we will make any chips we please, and we will send any bit
pattern over our data highways we please. And if you try to stop
us, you will be gradually or abruptly dissolved into nothingness.
[privacy vs. law enforcement]
> There is a
> false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
> an "either-or" proposition.
This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie. The two aims of
privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally
incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise.
Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology,
to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly
been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and
*unrepresentative* government.
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From: scott@silverbullet.cam.org (Jeff Scott)
Subject: Re: NTSC and the Mac
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X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version
<stuff deleted>
> Also, I am not interested in Quicktime. I would merely like to
> use my Mac as a television from time to time. I have a nice
> Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV
> when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV.
>
<other stuff deleted>
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a little fourteen inch colour tv? Just
curious...
>
> George Micahels
--
Jeff Scott
Montreal, Que, Canada
scott@silverbullet.cam.org
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Subject: Black Screen of Death, Windows, Novell
From: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"
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Hi there,
We are running a 120 node Token ring with Windows 3.1 and Novell 3.11.
Every once in a while, we run into "The Black Screen of Death", a phrase
coined by Robert X. Cringely in a recent InfoWorld column.
Basically, sometimes when you quit Windows, the screen goes black and
you get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your
screen. Also, sometimes when you exit to DOS, the same effect occurs.
Cringely hints that Microsoft and/or Novell has a patch for Windows'
virtual interrupt controller that may solve this. Neither company
seems to know what I am talking about when I call them.
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?
Is there a fix for it?
Any response is welcome.
Peter Sweeney
psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
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From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281
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In article <1qk1taINNmr4@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>>Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used
>>MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that
>>they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just
>>extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth.
>
>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that
>the "natural" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not
>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty "artificial" MSG -
>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant
>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it?
I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on
our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are
there other sources of MSG?
I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However,
I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each
causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat
and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant.
--
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?
Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.175149.25051
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 19
In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments?
Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it. These are fairly rare bikes, and
they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts.
Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you? I thought it would...
Only really bad things: the stock clutch isn't up to the task.
Barnett can take care of this. The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?),
and the induction system is a bear to work on.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 10
In article <0w2Z2B1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>Fact is, I just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever
>I need it...
That will make it easy for a car thief.
Saves him/her the trouble of popping your ignition!
--
Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
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From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...
Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Lines: 14
In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken
>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about
>30F. Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.
>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.
Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long
have you been sleeping with your helmet on??
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
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From: badry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Badry Jason Theodore)
Subject: Chaining IDE drives
Summary: Trouble with Master/Slave drives
Nntp-Posting-Host: cab009.cs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Hi. I am trying to set up a Conner 3184 and a Quantum 80AT drive. I have
the conner set to the master, and the quantum set to the slave (doesn't work
the other way around). I am able to access both drives if I boot from a
floppy, but the drives will not boot themselves. I am running MSDOS 6, and
have the Conner partitioned as Primary Dos, and is formatted with system
files. I have tried all different types of setups, and even changed IDE
controller cards. If I boot from a floppy, everything works great (except
the booting part :)). The system doesn't report an error message or anything,
just hangs there. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has somebody else
run into a similar problem? I was thinking that I might have to update the bios
on one of the drives (is this possible?). Any suggestions/answers would be
greatly appreciated. Please reply to:
Jason Badry
badry@cs.ualberta.ca
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?!
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes:
>The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The
>US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places.
>
>How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps
>(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision).
This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than
UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one
of them shorts.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
Article-I.D.: engr.Apr06.203257.20048
Distribution: na
Organization: clearer than blir
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4
In article <1993Apr6.194738.20021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
[blah blah blah]
>Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up.
let's create a new group: rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah-
my-father-can-lick-your-father-.......
:-)
eliot
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From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story
Keywords: PARTY!!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa
Organization: Calvin College
Lines: 12
lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
-Erc.
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From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett)
Subject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Lines: 103
I have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to
Moscow last week. I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation
Institute who have asked me to post this announcement. (I have done
some editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original
announcement.)
For those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is
the leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training
of aircraft and spacecraft designers. It specializes in airframe
design, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems.
Virtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev,
Su, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI.
I had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at
MAI. The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an
F-111(!), among others. It was a fascinating and eye opening
experience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year
or so ago, closed to virtually everyone. I also had the opportunity to
see some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines
for future space craft use.
If you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would
be glad to try and answer them. The institute, and most of it's faculty
have e-mail addresses. However, it takes about a day or so for the
receiver to get the message. They are still a bit antiquated - but they
are rapidly changing!
Steve Emmett
semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
ps please send any questions you have for me via e-mail. George Mason
university has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery.
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MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL
The aviation school "Poljot" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the
Moscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace
education and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various
parts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches.
The course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time
you will have the unique opportunity:
- to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation
disciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of
airplanes;
- to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian
aviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su;
- to meet and have discussions with famous aviation
scientists, engineers and pilots;
- to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation
techniques which were closed for many years to the public;
- to see the International Airspace Show which will take
place in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993;
- to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural
monuments, theatres and concert halls;
- to take part in sport competitions and have a great time
with new friends.
The Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known
Russian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the
Airplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute. Mr.
Samelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27
The lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept. The
students are provided with all the necessary text books and
literature. After the full course of studies are completed, the
student will receive a special certificate of graduation.
The cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres,
etc is $3500.
To apply for admission, send your application to:
109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34
Foreign Trade Firm "Poljot"
274 00 13 (phone)
274 00 22 (FAX)
411989 POLEX SU (telex)
In your application, include your full name, address, date and place
of birth. In addition, include complete passport information, as well
as a description of your education.
Upon receipt of this information, "Poljot" will immediately forward
to you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa
as well as details on payment.
Should you require additional information, please do not hesitate to
contact us.
(signed) O. Samelovich
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
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CSI/Physics, George Mason University
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From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***)
Subject: Re: Playoff predictions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 32
Here are my predictions (try not to laugh hysterically)
Somebody save this so I can laugh when I win my own pool.
I don't have prizes, but we all love BRAGGING RIGHTS, so winner takes them.
Also. If somebody has some sort of scoring system let me know.
I was thinking 1 for 1st round victories, 2 for second, 3 for 3rd, 4 for 4th
But we may get alot of ties. Any ideas?
1. BUFFALO
2. MONTREAL
3. PITTSBURGH
4. WASHINGTON
5. CHICAGO
6. TORONTO
7. WINNIPEG
8. LOS ANGELES
9. MONTREAL
10.PITTSBURGH
11.CHICAGO
12.WINNIPEG
13.MONTREAL
14.CHICAGO
15. MONTREAL
Richard Madison
rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca
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From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta)
Subject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc.
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Lines: 18
Hi Everybody,
I am interested in the following topics.
1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386.
2)Memory management in 286 and 386.
3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls.
I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books
that are best in the above topics. Please send a mail to
rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the
suggestions.
2**32-1 thanks in advance.
-Rahul Mehta
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From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot.
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's
Lines: 14
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have
for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he
start Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and
the way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not
to mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when
Lefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that
just because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is
twice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one
of the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all
day, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie
Harris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while
Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in
baseball.
A dishard Cub fan
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From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons!
In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 08:15:55 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr21.001555.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such..
Why not??
Because to be any use as a nav point you need to know -exactly- where
it is, which means you either nail it to something that doesn't move
or you watch it all the time. Neither of which is possible on a
deactivated spacecraft. Then you have to know exactly how far away
from it you are; this may or may not be possible with the hardware on
board.
Apart from which, there is absolutely no need for navigation beacons.
--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia
Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box
Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick!
(Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.)
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From: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu
Reply-To: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
The Phillies were picked to be in first.
Someone replied that the people who picked them were the same people who
picked the Mets last year.
My reply: Yeah, that may be true, but this IS the Phillies.
Fritz
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From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Subject: Re: Dead Sea Scrolls
Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Interzone Office
Lines: 24
dhancock@teosinte.agron.missouri.edu (Denis Hancock) writes:
> [A very nice article on the DSS, which I thought answered
> David Cruz-Uribe's original queries quite well]
Here are some books I have read recently that helped me not only
prepare for a 5 week series I taught in Sunday School, but greatly
increased my knowledge of the Qumran scrolls. [...]
One other recent book I would heartily recommend is Joseph Fitzmyer's
_Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_ (Paulist,
1992).
Fitzmyer is one of the preeminent modern NT scholars. He was also one
of the early workers on the DSS. His book is written in a
straightforward Q&A that allows it to serve as a source for a great
wealth of clearly presented basic, up-to-the-moment information about
the DSS.
(This book is something of a companion volume to Raymond Brown's
_Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_.)
Nichael
Pop Quiz: What's wrong with the cover of this book? ;)
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From: rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil (Raymond S. Brand)
Subject: "Clipper Chip" facts: a request
Organization: is a nice thing...
Lines: 28
Having read the various "Clipper" announcements on the net over the last few
days and a LOT of uninformed speculation about the chip, its uses,
government plots, etc, I have the following questions.
1) What does the "Clipper chip" actually implement? Just the Skipjack
cryptographic algorithm? Or does it also implement a "chip to chip"
communications protocol? If it does implement a communications
protocol, can it be used as just a "crypt chip" also.
2) Where can the chip specifications and spec sheets be obtained?
3) Who may purchase them and under what conditions?
4) Are there restrictions as to how the chip may be used in a system?
5) The security of the algorithm and the encrypted communications does
not appear to require that the "Family key" be a secret. Why is
it a secret? What happens when the "family key" becomes well known?
If it's a secret to make traffic analysis more difficult, does
the "Law enforcement message" contain any random information?
How much and how random is it?
6) Can the chip be programmed to reveal the "Unit key"? The chip "serial
number"? Any of the programming parameters?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Raymond S. Brand rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Lines: 34
> > Can these questions be answered for a previous
> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting?
> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files)
> p(au) 3.424346
> e 0.151899
> i 1.0988
> cap_omega(0) 243.5652
> W(0) 231.1607
> epoch 1977.04110
Thanks for the information!
I assume p is the semi-major axis and e the eccentricity. The peri-
helion and aphelion are then given by p(1-e) and p(1+e), i.e., about
2.90 and 3.95 AU respectively. For Jupiter, they are 4.95 and 5.45 AU.
If 1977 was after the temporary capture, this means that the comet
ended up in an orbit that comes no closer than 1 AU to Jupiter's --
which I take to be a rough indication of how far from Jupiter it could
get under Jupiter's influence.
> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were:
>
> April 1973 83 jupiter radii
> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii
Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the
1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.
Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well?
--
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto "Remember the Golgafrinchans"
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- Pete Granger
This article is in the public domain.
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From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer)
Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake
Organization: Specialix Inc.
Lines: 25
arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>through private contributions on Federal land". Your hate-mongering
>>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content
>>and social value. Down the toilet it goes.....
>>
>And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things
>concerning Israel.
>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to
>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And
>finalyy, how does "Federal land" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien
>monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money
>to a foreign entity?
>That "Federal land" and tax money could have been used to commerate
>Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.
The donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit
organization. I've donated money to a group restoring streetcars
and it was tax deductible. Why don't you contribute to a group
helping the homeless if you so concerned?
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From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Keywords: MSG, Glu
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Lines: 5
Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu
I have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they
eat anything with MSG added. This may have something to do with
the excitotoxicity of neurons.
-fm
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)
Subject: Re: Revelations
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 34
He doesn't contradict himself. The church is to last for all time.
However, there are those who use the church to bolster themselves. This
is evident in many letters. For instance, Paul talks about the
"super-apostles" to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11-12), he mentions
how people will be led away by miracles, signs, and wonders (2
Thessalonians 2:9-12), he tells Timothy that it is clear that some will
abandon the faith and teach lies (1 Timothy 4:1-3) and that some will
search for teachers to suit what they want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
Such passages go throughout the letters and Jesus does warn about them
(Matthew 24:4-14). But look at the promise in this last part. Verse
14: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world
as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Even today,
there are false teachings. I can name two which I am well familiar
with: the non-need of baptism and the "praying of Jesus into your life
for salvation". Both are taught. Both are DEAD wrong. They have been
taken out of context from some verses, interpreted from others, and just
plain made up. The ONLY way Jesus taught is given in Luke 9:23-26 and
Luke 14:25-33. He then commands baptism in Matthew 28:18-20. The
church Jesus founded, though, is alive and well. It's not being
persecuted as much as back then (the laws won't allow it yet), but it is
being persecuted.
Joe Fisher
>
>Peace,
>Lou
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>+ Lou Nunez (e-mail lnunez@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu) +
>+ + Ps 42(43):4 + Ps 90(91):5-6 + Dn 3:52-90 + Ml 1:11 + +
>+ + Ad Altare Dei + Ad Deum Qui Laetificat Juventutem Meam + +
>+ + 1Cor 4:15 + MT 16:13-19 + 1Cor 13:1-13 + Luke 10:25-37 + +
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 168
Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote:
: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental
: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK
: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population
: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted
: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the
: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as
: > many people with baseball bats.
: You just can't compare this way! All homicides must be shown, per capita, not
: just handguns. The availability of them in the USA makes them the preferred
: murder weapon, but ban them, and some other weapon will step in as the
: favorite.
As a "favorite", sure. As lethal, not likely. A study of violence in
Chicago produced this table:
Percentage of Reported Gun and Knife Attacks
Resulting in Death
Weapon Deaths As Percentage of Attacks
---------------------------------------------------------------
Knives (16,518 total attacks) 2.4
Guns (6,350 total attacks) 12.2
Source: Firearms and Violence in American Life
It might be contended that if gun murderers were deprived of guns
that they would find a way to kill as often with knives. If this were
so, knife attacks in cities where guns were widely used in homicide
would be expected to show a low fatality rate, and knife attacks in
cities where guns were not so widely used (like Vancouver) would show
a higher fatality rate. But the Nat'l Commission on the Causes and
Prevention of Violence Task Force analyzed the data and found this
not to be the case. It appeared to them that as the number of knife
attacks increased in relation to the number of firearms attacks
(which presumably happened where guns were less available to assailants),
the proportion of FATAL knife attacks did NOT increase relative to the
proportion of gun attacks. In fact, the reverse was true.
What was found was that most homicides did not show a determination on
the part of the assailant to kill. Fatalities caused by knife tended
to show a single-mindedness on the part of the assailant to do grave
physical injury: multiple stabs wounds, wounds concentrated about the
head neck and chest, etc. Most gun homicides did not show this
pattern. Rather, more fatal attacks were committed during a moment of
rage and not the focused intent to kill the victim.
Source: Report on Firearms and Violence
: Then, since England != USA (my ancestors left because of the oppression) you
: must compare England before strict gun laws to England after strict gun laws to
: be able to draw any meaning at all. England has essentially legalized drugs,
: so there are no drug gangs battling for turf, etc., there. If you drop out the
: drug related killings here, the USA would look a whole lot more peaceful.
There are a lot of factors which make a difference. Actually, I'm not
fond of making ANY kind of social parallels between Europeans and
Americans. There are more cultural, beahvioral and economic
differences between us than similarities. I just sort of found
myself backed into that corner over the last couple of weeks. I
don't think we could ever attain the low levels of European violent
crime here in the US, whether we banned guns or required every
law-abiding citizen to carry a loaded Uzi.
On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more
culturally similar, namely the Canadians. In fact, an exhaustive,
seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates
of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities
with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography
and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control.
In Seattle, handguns may be purchased legally for self-defense. After
a 30-day waiting period, a permit can be obtained to carry a concealed
weapon. The recreational use of handguns is minimally restricted.
In Vancouver, self-defense is not considered a valid or legal reason
to purchase a handgun. Concealed weapons are not permitted.
Recreational uses of handguns (target shooting, collecting) are
regulated by the province. Purchase of a handgun requires a
restricted-weapons permit. A permit to carry may be obtained in
order to transport the weapon to licensed shooting clubs. Handguns
transported by vehicle must be stored in the trunk in a locked box.
In short, gun control but not unreasonably so.
Both cities aggressively enforce their gun laws. Convictions for
gun-related offenses carry similar penalties. The researchers
studied all cases of robbery, assault (simple and aggravated),
burglary and homicides occurring in Seattle and Vancouver from
1/1/80 to 12/31/86. In defining the cases, they used the same
standard: the FBI's Unified Crime Report.
Results: during the seven-year study the annual rate of robbery in
Seattle was found to be only slightly higher than that in Vancouver
(1.09 / 1.11). Burglaries occurred at nearly identical rates (.99).
18,925 assaults were recorded in Seattle versus 12,034 in
Vancouver. The risk of being a victim of a simple assault in
Seattle was found to be only slightly higher than Vancouver (1.18 /
1.15) and the risk of aggravated assault was also slightly higher
(1.16 / 1.12). However, when aggravated assaults were subdivided by
weapon and the mechanism of assault, a clear pattern emerged.
Although both cities reported nearly identical rates of aggravated
assault involving knives and other dangerous weapons, firearms were
far more likely to be used in Seattle. In fact, 7.7 times as often.
Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle
(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000).
After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations,
the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as
compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63.
When homicides were subdivided by the mechanism of death, the rate
of homicide by knives and other weapons (excluding firearms) in
Seattle was found to be almost identical to that in Vancouver.
Virtually ALL of the increased risk of death in Seattle was due to
a more than fivefold higher rate of homicide by firearms. Handguns
accounted for roughly 85% of homicides involving firearms. Handguns
were 4.8 times more likely to be used in homicides in Seattle than
in Vancouver.
The authors of the report also investigated "legally justifiable"
homicides (self-defense). Only 32 such homicides occurred during
the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police. Only
21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred: 17 in
Seattle and 4 in Vancouver. Only 13 involved firearms. After
excluding these cases, there was virtually no impact on these
earlier findings.
-------
This is, I feel, a very fair report. One might even make the
argument that it is biased against Canada as a whole because
Vancouver reports annual rates of homicide two to three times
that of Ottawa, Calgary and Toronto while Seattle reports
annual homicide rates only half to two-thirds that of NYC,
Chicago, Los Angeles and Houston.
Critics of handgun control always argue that limited legal access
to handguns will have little effect on the rates of homicide because
persons intent on killing others will only try harder to acquire a
gun or will kill by other means. This report shows differently.
If the rate of homicide in a community were influenced more by
the strength of intent than by the availability of weapons, we
could expect the rate of homicides by weapons other than guns to
be higher in Vancouver than in Seattle. However, during the study
interval, Vancouver's rate of homicide by weapons other than guns
was not significantly higher than that in Seattle, suggesting that
few would-be assailants switched to homicide by other methods.
As well, ready access to handguns for self-defense by law-abiding
citizens was not endorsed in this report. Although Seattle did
experience a higher rate of firearm death for self-defense, these
cases accounted for less than 4% of the homicides in both cities
during the course of the study period. And, as was reported,
Seattle apparently didn't enjoy relief from any crime category
over Vancouver because citizens may legally arm themselves for
self-defense.
Heavily quoted source: Handgun Regulation, Crime,
Assaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities.
John H. Sloan, Arthur L. Kellerman, Donald T. Reay,
James A. Ferris, Thomas Koepsall, Frederick P. Rivara,
Charles Rice, Laurel Gray and James LoGerfo
--
Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
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From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Summary: Asking the wrong question is the most fundamental error.
Keywords: science errors Turpin
Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)
Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT
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Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable. However it is also
widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity.
And in ordinary life, perfectionism carried beyond a certain point is
indicative of a psychological disorder. In the extreme case, a
perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all the possible mistakes he might
make that he is unable to even leave the house.
In science, we want to discover as much truth about the world as possible
and we also want to have as much certainty as possible about these
discoveries. Usually there is some trade-off between these two desiderata
--- the search for scope and the search for certainty.
If 18th century mathematicians had demanded total rigor from Newton and
Leibniz then there would probably be no calculus today, because neither
of the two could explain calculus in a way that really made sense, since
they lacked the concept of a limit. And in fact, because of the lack of
a rigorous foundation, they made a number of errors in their use of calculus.
It was only a hundred years later that Weistrass was able to give a solid
grounding for the ideas of Newton and Leibniz. Nonetheless, what Newton
and Leibniz did was undoubtedly science and mathematics gained a great
deal more from the application of their important ideas than it lost
through the mistakes they made.
In article <1993Apr14.171230.16138@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com
(Dick King) writes:
> [ Somebody writes: ]
>>I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology. ....
> ....
>He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would distinguish a
>universe in which special relativity holds from one in which it does not.
> ....
>Einstein played by the rules, which demand that hypotheses only be put out
>there if there exists a specific experiment that could disprove them.
These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and
sci.psychology. According to these posters "If it's not supported by
carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."
Taken to the extreme, I believe that the attitude that empirical studies
are everything and ideas are nothing results in a complete stultification
of science.
For one thing, an insistence on an elaborate and expensive methodology
results in a sort of scientific trade-unionism, where those outside
the establishment and lacking institutional or corporate support have
no chance to obtain a hearing. (I don't in the least believe that this
is the intention of the arbiters of scientific methodology. Nonetheless,
it is one of the results.) And although institutional science has
certainly produced many wonderful results, I think it is a foolish
arrogance for scientists to believe that no one outside the establishment
--- and using less than perfect empirical methodology --- will ever come
with anything worthwhile.
Furthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is
one of the most significant errors in science: choosing to investigate
questions because they can be readily handled by the currently
fashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional
or corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to
those questions which seem to have fundamental significance.
For instance, certain questions cannot be easily investigated with
statistical methods because the relevant factors are not quantitative.
(One could argue that this is the case for almost all questions in many
areas of psychology. In my opinion, a perusal of many of the papers
resulting from the attempt by psychologists to force these questions
into a statistical framework gives the lie to Russell Turpin's
assertion that current scientific methods "avoid all known errors.")
I think that asking the wrong question is probably the most fundamental
error in science. (Ignoring potentially valuable ideas is one of the
others.) And I think that scientific journals are full of all
too many studies done with impeccable empirical methods but which are
worthless because the wrong question was asked in the first place.
--
In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems
less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet
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From: dstampe@psych.toronto.edu (Dave Stampe)
Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed
Keywords: polygon, needed
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
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sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes:
>>>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game.
>>>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT?
>>To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...]
>
>Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h. By
>calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine.
>
>I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/programming.
>I have a copy of it so I reupload it there. The triangle.txt file has this
>to say :
>
>> C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer.
>
Another source: There's a poly blitter for mode y (mode x in 320x200)
at sunee.uwaterloo.ca. Also there is REND386, an even faster 3D
renderer with VR extensions.
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| my destiny is Software, | dstampe@psych.toronto.edu |
| my CPU is Wetware... | dstampe@sunee.uwaterloo.ca |
| Am I a techno-psychologist, or just a psycho-engineer ?? |
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From: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)
Subject: used Taurus SHO purchase
Article-I.D.: datadim.274.332.uupcb
Reply-To: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)
Distribution: world
Organization: The Data Dimension PCBoard - Norcross, GA - 404-921-1186
Lines: 31
Quoting Jeffrey J. Nucciarone's (nucci@microwave.gsfc.nasa.gov) article
<C4G8Hv.Cs4@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> of 04-06-93, in pertinent part:
JJ> I am considering buying a used '90 Taurus SHO. The car in
JJ> question has 37k miles. I took it for a test drive the other day
JJ> and a few questions came up.
JJ>
JJ> . . .
JJ> Second, is there anything I should specifically look for in an
JJ> SHO of this vintage? Anything I should specifically ask abt?
JJ> (Brakes, cluthch, etc.) I noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen
JJ> point seemed a little high; since all my other cars are auto-tragics
JJ> I'm not sure abt this point. I had my foot firmly planted on the
JJ> brake when I started it up. There was a bit of a pop in the pedal
JJ> soon after the engine started. This also occured on a few T-bird SC'
JJ> I test drove. Was this the ABS self test?
Brake rotors and the clutch are the main things. There has been a clutch
replacement program; you might check to see if the car is still eligible,
as it is a change well worth making. You can also swap the cruddy cable
shifter for the newer rod shifter, also a change worth making, but that'll
cost you some $$.
My brakes usually do one wibble-wobble on startup, so that is probably
normal. Didn't know they had a self-test, that's interesting.
What kind of tires does the car have on it?
---
* WinQwk 2.0b#131 * For a good time dial 7000 on your SHO. *
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From: globus@nas.nasa.gov (Al Globus)
Subject: Space Colony Size Preferences Summary
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Reply-To: globus@nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: sci.space
Lines: 92
Some time ago I sent the following message:
Every once in a while I design an orbital space colony. I'm gearing up to
do another one. I'd some info from you. If you were to move
onto a space colony to live permanently, how big would the colony have
to be for you to view a permanent move as desirable? Specifically,
How many people do you want to share the colony with?
What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Assume 1g living (the colony will rotate). Assume that you can leave
from time to time for vacations and business trips. If you're young
enough, assume that you'll raise your children there.
I didn't get a lot of responses, and they were all over the block.
Thanx muchly to all those who responded, it is good food for thought.
Here's the (edited) responses I got:
How many people do you want to share the colony with?
100
What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Cylinder 200m diameter x 1 km long
Rui Sousa
ruca@saber-si.pt
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> How many people do you want to share the colony with?
100,000 - 250,000
> What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
100 square kms surface, divided into city, towns, villages and
countryside. Must have lakes, rivers amd mountains.
=============================================================================
> How many
1000. 1000 people really isn't that large a number;
everyone will know everyone else within the space of a year, and will probably
be sick of everyone else within another year.
>What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Hm. I am not all that great at figuring it out. But I would maximize the
percentage of colony-space that is accessible to humans. Esecially if there
were to be children, since they will figure out how to go everywhere anyways.
And everyone, especially me, likes to "go exploring"...I would want to be able
to go for a walk and see something different each time...
=============================================================================
For population, I think I would want a substantial town -- big enough
to have strangers in it. This helps get away from the small-town
"everybody knows everything" syndrome, which some people like but
I don't. Call it several thousand people.
For physical dimensions, a somewhat similar criterion: big enough
to contain surprises, at least until you spent considerable time
getting to know it. As a more specific rule of thumb, big enough
for there to be places at least an hour away on foot. Call that
5km, which means a 10km circumference if we're talking a sphere.
Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology
henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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My desires, for permanent move to a space colony, assuming easy communication
and travel:
Size: About a small-town size, say 9 sq. km. 'Course, bigger is better :-)
Population: about 100/sq km or less. So, ~1000 for 9sqkm. Less is
better for elbow room, more for interest and sanity, so say max 3000, min 300.
-Tommy Mac
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From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane)
Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis
Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 94
In article <1qsami$3h7@access.digex.net>, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)
writes:
>The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his
>buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the
>Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP
>were purged.
Stop! Hold it! You have a few problems here. Official history says that
the first accusations of homosexuality in the SA came from OUTSIDE of the Nazi
party, long BEFORE the Nazis ever came to power. So this objection is a red
herring, even if established history is wrong on this point. Moreover, none of
the histories I've read ever made mention of Hitler or anyone else ever using
homosexuality as a pretext for purging Roehm. A point I saw reiterated was that
Hitler and the party covered up these accusations. If you are going to accuse
official history of being a fabrication, you should at least get your facts
right. The pretext for purging Roehm was that he was planning to use the SA in
a coup against Hitler. Nowhere is there mention of using allegations of
homosexuality as a pretext for the purge, nor as a justification afterwards (it
is possible that the histories I've read have not mentioned this, but I doubt
it - would it be in Hitler's best interest to admit to the world that his
former right hand man was a homosexual?).
Anyway, as I said before, it is always possible that I have missed references
to the Nazis making use of charges of homosexuality against the SA after the
night of the long knives - but this does not prove that they were false. Even
the Nazis could tell the truth when it was to their advantage. In any case,
this does not deal with accusations of homosexuality in the SA during the
1920's.
>Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records,
>anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered
>tainted evidence.
Ah, yes. I forgot this was being posted to alt.conspiracy. I can smell the
paranoia from here. Since the Nazis never officially charged Roehm with
homosexuality (at least, not according to what I've read), I'd like to know
what tainted "evidence" you are talking about. Since the accusations were made
by persons outside of the Nazi party, long before it came to power, and those
accusations were common knowledge to journalists and others in Germany in the
1920's and 30's, just how would it be possible for the Nazis to go back in
time and plant "tainted" evidence? How exactly does one doctor newspapers
which were circulated around the world, without the discrepancies being
obvious? What actual incidences of Nazi doctoring evidence on this matter
do you know about? And what about the testimony of people who were involved in
these matters, some of whom were not Nazis? And what is the point of making a
false accusation of homosexuality if you do not publicize it? Since the point
here seems to be to discredit established history, then the burden of proof
falls on the revisionist. The revisionists had better do their homework
before making accusations. Otherwise they simply look like conspiracy nuts.
>The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd,
>the SA -- Sturmabteilung, "Storm Troopers" -- left the world a better
>place when they departed,
This is just about the *only* thing we agree on.
I suspect that the notion that there might have been bad people - Roehm and
his SA buddies - who were homosexuals must disturb some people. The feeling
seems to be that if a nasty individual is accused of homosexuality, that this
must be an attempt to bash homosexuals. This fear - often justified - is what
lies behind this distrust of official history, or so it seems to me. But this
is not a good justification for trashing accepted accounts of this subject. If
you really think that historians are so incompetent, why don't you write them
and ask where they got their sources on this subject, if you can't tell from
their footnotes? I'm a graduate student in history. Writing to professors and
tracking down sources is old hat. But my time is limited and this is not my
specialty - and neither you nor anyone else have said anything that would
cast one shred of doubt on existing evidence. I'm not going to waste my time
trying to debunk someone's paranoia. Do the research yourself.
>but concrete particulars are still no more than
>more or less shrewd guesses.
>-- Diccon Frankborn
Given that you already consider all evidence "tainted", what on earth would
constitute concrete particulars? And since when have concrete particulars been
considered "shrewd guesses"?
I suggest that those who do not trust popular historians (Irving et al) -
historians writing for a popular audience do not, as a rule, provide copious
footnotes - should try instead reading academic historians, who usually
provide footnotes to all their sources in immmense detail. This is the place
to start looking. Assuming that one really wants to know the truth.
I'll bet the folks on alt.pagan are tired of this subject already. My
apologies - we seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent. I forget which gods
are responsible for keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject
boundaries...
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David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
"...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly
of us in days hereafter..." (Ezra Pound)
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Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650
From: Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz (Bruce Hoult)
Lines: 16
Zack T. Smith writes:
> konpej@eua.ericsson.se (Per Ejeklint) writes:
>
> >Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but the Centris 650 has the '040 with FPU.
> >At least the ones shipped here in Europe.
>
> You are indeed. The 4/80 model (shipped here) definitely does not have the
> FPU. I own one; I know.
No, he's not missing anything. You're right that some models of the 650 ship in
the USA without FPU or Ethernet. Per Ejeklint is also right -- *all*, I repeat,
*ALL* Centris 650's sold here in New Zealand and, I assume, Europe have the FPU
and Ethernet.
I know. I bought a 650 4/80 and it has both FPU and Ethernet.
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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity
Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 30
In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
>of those files.
>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including
the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer
the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members
in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?
Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter?
Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic
minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.
>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?
Paranoia?
>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an
> additional information should he send them ?
The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already
have them.
>
>
>Gideon Ehrlich
-anwar
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Re: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Lines: 460
In article <1993Apr19.010955.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>> Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established
>> a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two
>> continents.
>Before you go calling the kettle black, keep in mind that the
>Turkish government was a strong supporter of Nazi Germany and
>played a vital role in supplying it with oil until the Allies
>invaded Iran. Complaining about Armenian complicity with the
>Nazis does little good when Turkey played a much bigger role.
Tell me, 'kmagnacca', were you high on 'Arromdian of ASALA/SDPA/ARF'
when you wrote that? Humane behavior and tolerance of Turks was a
legend even 500 years ago when they accepted tens of thousands of
Jews from Spain who were fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition. Again,
many Jewish families escaping from Nazi Armenians and Hitler's Nazi
Germany took refugee in Turkiye during the 1940's. Turkish people
have unselfishly given home, protection, and freedom to the Jews over
the centuries, including to thousands and thousands of them during
the Second World War. Get a life or a cup of Turkish coffee.
"History of the Jews in the Islamic Countries," chapters in Parts I and II,
Jarusalem, Zalman Shazar Center for Jewish History, 1986.
Baron, Salo W., "A Social and Religious History of the Jews," New York,
Columbia University Press, Vols. III, V, XVIII.
Benardete, Mair Jose, "Hispanic Culture and Character of the Sephardic
Jews," New York, Sepher-Hermon Press, 2nd corrected edition, 1982 (original
publication 1953).
Lewis, Bernard, eds., "Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire," New York,
Holmes & Meier, 1982, Vol. I, The Central Lands.
"La Turquie dan les Archives des Grand Orient de France: les loges ...,"
in Jean-Louis Bacque-Graumont and Paul Dumont, eds., Economie et Societes
dans L'Empire Ottoman, Paris, Centre National De La Reserche Scientifique,
1983.
Inalcik, Halil, "Turkish-Jewish Relations in the Ottoman Empire," 1982.
Sevilla-Sharon, Moshe, "Turkiye Yahudileri, Tarihsel Bakis," Jerusalem, The
Hebrew University, 1982.
Source: John Dewey: "The New Republic," Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.
"Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it.
And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey
when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians,
and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and
liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the
rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have
been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of
the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious
differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they
were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every
nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily
reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."
He also stated that:
"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian
invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least
a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."
TURKEY AND THE HOLOCAUST
An interview with Stanford J. Shaw (History), who recently
completed two books: The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
Turkish Republic, and Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in
Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution,
1933-45. Shaw chairs the undergraduate interdepartmental degree
program in Near Eastern Studies and has organized the Program for
the Study of Ottoman and Turkish Jewry. He is affiliated with the
G. E. von Grunebaum Center for Near Eastern Studies.
Editor: How did you come to write these two books on Turkey and
European and Turkish Jews?
Shaw: Basically, I'm an Ottoman historian, but I'm also Jewish.
I've spent twenty-five years studying Ottoman history, and as
time went along, whenever I found materials on the Ottoman Jews,
I collected them. But I never did anything with them until a
couple of years ago, when I suddenly realized that 1992 was the
500th anniversary of the Jews being expelled from Spain and
coming to Turkey. Then the Sephardic Temple down on Wilshire
Avenue invited me to give a series of three lectures on Ottoman
Jewry. These lectures were greatly appreciated, and I became
motivated to undertake further research to develop a book, The
Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish) Republic. This book
is quite different from the works of most Jewish historians, who
tend to look at the Jews in any country more from the viewpoint
of the Jews and the Jewish community, and rely mainly on Jewish
sources. I view my subject as an Ottoman historian, and I
approach the Jews of the Ottoman Empire largely from the point of
view of Ottoman society, using largely Ottoman sources. After I
finished this book and sent it to the press, I came across
additional documents relating to Turkish Jews during World War
II. In the completed book, I had said that Turkey had done a good
deal to rescue the Jews during World War II, but I did not
actually have many details. Then I found a batch of documents in
the Foreign Ministry archive relating to actions taken by Turkish
diplomats to help the Jews before and during the Holocaust. It
was too late to add this new information to the book in press, so
I decided to write a second book. I conducted further research,
mainly in the archives of the Foreign Ministry in Ankara and the
Turkish Embassy and Consulate in Paris. The result was the second
book, Turkey and the Holocaust, which details how Turkey helped
rescue Jews from the Nazis.
- How exactly did they do this?
The story takes place over a number of years. The book presents
the material in three parts, first of which deals with the period
before the Holocaust. When the Nazis came to power in Germany in
1933, they immediately started dismissing Jews and anti-Nazi
Germans from universities, hospitals, scientific institutes, and
the like. Turkey at that moment was just beginning the process of
reforming its universities, and it saw in these Jews, who were
being fired from their positions in Germany, a good source of new
talent to help modernize the Turkish universities. Within three
months after the Nazis started dismissing these Jews, Turkey
arranged to take many of them in. They were brought to Turkey and
were given appointments as professors in the Turkish
universities, as heads of scientific institutes, and as medical
personnel in hospitals. About 300 to 500 major Jewish professors
came to Turkey in the 1930s. Ernst Reuter, a German political
scientist, spent the war years teaching political science in
Turkey. After World War II, he was mayor of Berlin during the
Berlin Airlift. Fritz Neimark, a major German Jewish economist,
came to Turkey and helped establish a modern school of economics
in Istanbul. A man named Reichenbach, who was rescued from the
Nazis by Turkey and spent the war years in Turkey, eventually
came to UCLA, where he became a professor of philosophy. Other
German Jewish emigres engaged in cultural activities in Turkey.
One such was Karl Ebert, who had been a leading theatrical
producer in Berlin until he was expelled by the Nazis. He went to
Turkey, where he organized the Turkish National Theater and the
Turkish National Opera Company in Ankara, with the help of Paul
Hindemuth. So the first section of the book covers this first
phase, when Jews were being persecuted in Germany and rescued by
Turkey. Oddly enough, the German emigres, when they were in
Turkey, did not seem to think too badly of Germany. They regarded
themselves more as Germans than Jews, and they did not join in
the anti-Nazi activities of the local Turkish Jewish community. I
even found letters from the Nazi representatives to Turkey
praising these German Jewish refugees for their work in promoting
the idea of German culture. Even though these people had been
persecuted by the Nazis and rescued by the Turks, they shared the
Nazis' feelings of Aryan racial superiority over the Turks. The
second part of the book deals with the Holocaust, which began in
1940 when the Nazis occupied France. In Europe at that time, and
especially in France, there were about 20,000 Turkish Jews. They
had migrated to Europe for various reasons from about the turn of
the century onward. Most of them had settled in Europe during the
Turkish war for independence after World War I, when Greece was
threatening to overrun Turkey. The Greeks had persecuted the Jews
throughout the nineteenth century, and the Jews feared what might
happen to them if the Greeks took over in Turkey. Many Jews fled
to France during the 1920s and 1930s. Many also abandoned their
Turkish citizenship and became French citizens. Suddenly the
Nazis invaded France in 1940 and started introducing all sorts of
anti-Jewish laws. The Turkish Jews soon found that it was not
worth very much to be a French Jew, but that it was worth a lot
to be a Turkish Jew.
- How so?
Turkey remained neutral through most of World War II. It retained
its embassies and consulates in all the Nazi-occupied countries
until it finally entered the war on the side of the Allies at the
end of 1944. During the war, therefore, Turkey was in a position
to defend its citizens against anti-Jewish measures, and the
actions that Turkish diplomats took form the second chapter of
the book. Turkish diplomats who were stationed in France in
particular intervened to protect Jews of Turkish citizenship from
the Nazis. For those Turkish Jews who had retained their Turkish
citizenship, there was generally no problem. If they were
arrested and sent to a concentration camp, the Turkish diplomats
would communicate with the commanders of the camp and other
officials and say in effect: "These people are Turkish citizens.
You can't do this to them." And the Turkish Jews would be
released. If their businesses were confiscated, the Turkish
diplomats would protest and the businesses would be restored.
The Nazis in general wanted to keep the friendship of Turkey.
They hoped to be able to use Turkey as a gateway for an invasion
of the Middle East, and they also wanted to obtain chromium and
manganese from Turkey. In order to keep Turkish friendship, they
usually accepted these interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews.
The Turkish diplomats sometimes went to the concentration camps
to secure the release of Turkish Jews. At times they even boarded
trains hauling Turkish Jews to Auschwitz for extermination and
succeeded in getting them off the train. Most of the foreign Jews
were sent to a concentration camp at a place called Drancy in
Paris, and that's where most of the intercession by Turkish
consuls took place.
The greater problem came with the Turkish Jews who had abandoned
their Turkish citizenship and had become French citizens. The
consuls couldn't declare that these people were Turkish citizens
because they were not. My book includes photographs of Jews
lining up in front of the Turkish consulate, either to get
passports to return to Turkey or to get a restoration of their
Turkish citizenship. This was a bureaucratic matter, so
processing the application would take some time. In the meantime
it was a real emergency, because the Nazis would arrest Jews on
the streets for almost nothing. The Nazis would even arrest them
if they had radios or telephones in their apartments, because
radios and telephones were forbidden to Jews. To take care of
these former Turkish Jews, the Turkish diplomats invented a
document called gayri muntazem vatandash, or "irregular fellow
citizen." The document said in effect "This person is a former
Turkish citizen who has applied for the restoration of his
Turkish citizenship. In the meantime we would appreciate it if
you would treat him as if he were a Turkish citizen." The
diplomats wrote the document in Turkish and put their seals on
it. Since the Nazis could not read Turkish, on the whole they
accepted these papers as certificates of citizenship. By this
means, the Turkish diplomats were able to rescue many Jews who
had relinquished their Turkish citizenship.
Actually the Nazis were of two minds about the Turkish defense of
Jews. On the one hand the Nazi Foreign Ministry, which wanted to
retain the friendship of Turkey, was in favor of accepting these
interventions. On the other hand, Himmler and Eichmann wanted all
Jews exterminated. At times Himmler and Eichmann were able to
prevail and some of the Turkish Jews were sent off to Auschwitz
before the Turkish consuls could do anything.
- Do you have statistics on how many Turkish Jews were rescued?
There were about 20,000 Turkish Jews in Europe before world War
II, about 10,000 of whom were living in France. Most of the
information in this section of the book relates to the situation
in France. I have published the letters that the Turkish consuls
sent to the Nazi officials and the letters that came back in
reply. Generally the Nazis said that if the Turkish consul would
present documents certifying that arrested individuals are
Turkish citizens, and promise to send them out of France, the
Nazis would release them from the concentration camp. The Turkish
consuls also organized special trains to take Turkish Jews from
Nazi-occupied territory back to Turkey. These trains ran
regularly in 1943 and 1944. The Nazis gave the Turkish Jews visas
so they could pass out of Nazi territory, but the trains were
often held up by the Nazi-influenced governments of Eastern
Europe - Croatia, Serbia, and Bulgaria - because these
governments really didn't want the Jews to escape. As a result of
the Turkish consuls' efforts, about 3,000 to 4,000 of the Turkish
Jews in France were saved. Another 3,000 were sent off to
Auschwitz, where most of them died. The remaining 3,000 either
escaped across the border into Spain or fled to the area of
southern France occupied by the Italians, who treated Jews much
better than the Nazis did. At the end of 1943, however, Italy
fell out of the war, and that was the end for those Jews as well.
Incidentally, the Turkish diplomats in Nazi-occupied Greece also
worked to rescue Jews in that country.
- The second part of your book then deals with Turkish diplomats
acting to rescue Jews of Turkish citizenship or Turkish origin
from Nazi persecution.
Yes, and there is an aside I might add here: In their
interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews, the Turks cited their
treaty with Germany which stated that Turkish citizens in German
territory would be treated the same as German citizens in Turkey.
On that basis the Turks maintained that the Nazis could not
discriminate against Turkish citizens who are Jews. The Nazis
claimed (and the Vichy government agreed) that they were not
discriminating because they were treating all Jews equally.
Turkey protested, saying, "You are dividing our citizens
according to religion, but the Turkish constitution requires that
all citizens be treated equally, regardless of religion.
Therefore, you cannot single out Turkish Jews." American consuls
in Paris, by contrast, accepted the Nazi argument and told
American Jews who were being persecuted by the Nazis that they
couldn't do anything about it, because the American Jews were
being treated the same as other Jews. The third part of the book
takes place in Turkey, which was the principal center during the
Holocaust for activities aimed at the rescue of Eastern European
Jews. The kwish Agency, an organization established by Jews in
Palestine to help resettle Jews to Palestine, set up an office in
Istanbul in 1940 under the leadership of Chaim Barlas. Other
Jewish organizations in Palestine, especially the kibbutzes, also
sent representatives to Istanbul to set up headquarters. These
groups first tried to contact Jews in Eastern Europe to find out
what was happening. Today we know about the Holocaust, but at
that time people didn't know what was going on. They didn't
imagine the Nazis could do the things they were doing. And so the
first step was to get information, and the Turkish government let
them use the Turkish mails to send letters to their relatives and
friends in Eastern Europe. The Jewish organizations found out
what was happening when they received replies. Later on when the
Nazis began to intercept such letters, the Jews received
assistance also from the Vatican nuncio, Angelo Roncali, who
served as the Vatican representative in Istanbul from 1935 to
1944 and later became Pope John XXIII. As the Vatican
representative during the war, he used the facilities of the
Catholic Church to supplement what the Turkish government was
doing to assist Jewish agencies in contacting Jews in Eastern
Europe. With the cooperation of the Turkish government, these
agencies then sent hard currency, food, clothing, and even
railroad and steamship tickets to Jews in Czechoslovakia,
Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary. They weren't able to help much in
Poland because by then the Nazis had wiped out almost all the
Polish Jews. Whenever possible the rescue agencies arranged for
the Jews to get out of Eastern Europe either by train through the
so called Orient Express route to Istanbul, or by boat through
the Black Sea to Istanbul.
Turkey was not eager for all these refugees to remain within its
borders during the war, because it was being blockaded and was
suffering terrible shortages of food and clothing. The
government, therefore, facilitated the movement of the
non-Turkish Jewish refugees from Turkey to Palestine, either by
the Taurus Express Railroad through the mountains to Syria and
Palestine, or by small boats across the eastern Mediterranean
from southern Turkey to Palestine. These efforts were bitterly
opposed not only by the Nazis, but also by the British, who did
not want any more Jewish immigration to Palestine because they
feared it would hurt their relations with the Arabs. The British
constantly pressured the Turkish government to stop this traffic
and send those Jews back. In a few cases the Turkish government,
yielding to British pressure, did send the boats back. For
example, in one incident, the steamship Struma, with some 700
Jewish refugees from Romania, was sent back by the Turkish
government as a result of the intervention of the British
ambassador. When that ship was sunk by a Soviet submarine, all
were lost except one person. Nevertheless, all told, the Turkish
government allowed no fewer than 100,000 Eastern European Jews to
pass through Turkish territory and move on to Palestine during
the Second World War. The Turkish authorities also provided these
refugees with facilities and money, and gave them permission to
send money and food out of the country.
- Many of these Jews who passed through Turkey may still be
living in Israel.
Yes, and their children. But let's return for a moment to the
first group, the Turkish Jews who came from Europe. They did not
go on to Palestine; they stayed in Turkey. It was the
non-Turkish, Eastern European Jews who passed through Turkey en
route to Palestine. Their story is very interesting.
- And you have rescued it from obscurity.
Many studies have been made of the Holocaust, but most of them do
not focus on the Eastern European or Middle Eastern Jews. Most of
the scholarship has centered on the Western European Jews, of
whom 6 million were massacred by the Nazis. My study deals with a
much smaller number of people. I have tried to round out the
picture, and I hope my book will persuade other scholars to
undertake further investigations in the history of Eastern Jews.
When it comes to numbers, the German Jews were also relatively
small in number. Most of the millions slain were Polish Jews. The
rescue of 100,000 Eastern European Jews may not seem so
significant compared with the total of 6 million who were
murdered, but it meant a lot to those who were saved.
About three-fourths of the book consists of documents -
translations of many documents. They are included because the
story is not well known. Not only are people in the West unaware
of the courageous actions of the Turkish diplomats; even the
people of Turkey did not know the story. I felt that they would
not fully understand this remarkable achievement unless they
could see the documents.
- What languages are used in the documents?
Most of them are in Turkish or French; some are in Hebrew. There
is a great deal of material in Hebrew about the organization of
the boats going to Palestine, the passengers, and so on, but I
did not go into those details extensively. I describe mostly what
Turkey did, so most of my documents are in Turkish or French. A
few documents are in English. The Jewish groups in Istanbul did
not necessarily cooperate with one another to rescue Jews; in
fact, they often fought with one another. They took turns trying
to get the Turkish government to deport rival groups. For
example, some of the kibbutz groups felt that the Jewish Agency
was run by Western European Jews who were interested only in
helping Western European Jews. Finally, in 1944, President
Roosevelt sent a personal representative, Ira Hirschman, who had
been an executive of Bloomingdale's department store in New York
City, and Hirschman managed to reconcile their differences. The
documents related to his mission are in English.
I also obtained many documents from Serge Klarsfeld, a Holocaust
historian in France, who mainly worked on the French Jews. (His
father was killed by the Nazis.) He gave me materials he had
gathered in the German archives on the Turkish Jews, so I didn't
personally consult the German archives. I believe that much more
can be learned from the German archives, and I hope someone
someday will make the effort.
- This new book fits in well with your teaching, doesn't it?
Right. I'm giving a course on the history of the Jews of the
Ottoman Empire. I first gave the course two years ago. In
addition to research, writing, and teaching, I've been actively
involved in the commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the
coming of the Jews to the Ottoman Empire. Among other things, I
helped organize a large international conference on the subject
which was held in Istanbul in 1992.
- Now that your books are finished and the conference has taken
place, what do you plan to do next?
I'm working on two new books. One is a history of the Turkish War
for Independence, which took place after World War I, during the
years 1918 to 1923. The Turks warded off the efforts of the
victorious European powers to occupy Turkey and end its
independence. The second book is a study of Sultan Abdul Hamid
II, the last major sultan, who ruled from 1876 to 1909. He was an
important modernizer in his own way, although he also suppressed
all sorts of political movements.
Stanford J. Shaw received a B.A. in History and an M.A. in
British History. He then shifted to Near Eastern History, earning
a second M.A. and a Ph.D. at Princeton. As a doctoral candidate
at Princeton, he spent two years abroad, studying at the School
of Oriental and African Studies, University of London; the
University of Cairo, the American University at Cairo, and the
University of Istanbul. He taught at Harvard before coming to
UCLA in 1966. His postdoctoral research has been supported by the
John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Research Institute
in Turkey, the Social Science Research Council, the National
Endowment for the Humanities, the Fulbright Program, and ISOP. He
has received honorary degrees from Harvard University and
Bosporus University, Bebek, Istanbul, Turkey, and medals of honor
for lifetime contributions to the fields of Islamic and Turkish
studies from the Center for Research in Islamic History, Art, and
Culture in Istanbul and from the American Friends of Turkey in
Washington, D.C. In addition to undertaking many professional
service activities and public lectures in both the United States
and Turkey, Shaw has also produced eight books and one edited
volume. His History of the Ottoman Empire and Modem Turkey (2
vols.) has been published in many editions (six editions or
reprints from 1977-1991), and translated into Turkish (1983,
1991) and French (1984). His book The Jews of the Ottoman Empire
and the Turkish Republic (MacMillan, London, and New York
University Press, 1992) will be published in Turkish translation
by the Turkish Historical Society, Istanbul. His Turkey and the
Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry
from Nazi Persecution, 1933-1945 will be published by Macmillan
Publishers, London, and New York University Press in 1993. A
pamphlet summarizing the book was published in Ankara, Turkey, in
1992.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: "liver" spots
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
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In article <1993Apr19.162502.29802@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
>What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they
>called "liver spots" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they
>indicate some actual liver dysfunction?
Senile keratoses. Have nothing to do with the liver.
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?
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/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / steiner@jupiter.ca.boeing.com / 12:07 am Apr 15, 1993 /
>douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes:
>[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...]
>
>> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic
>> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack?
>
>last i heard, "non-lethal" was a bit of a misnomer for these things.
Also, you need to consider our legal system. Since any of these things
CAN be lethal, you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied
lethal force when you DIDN'T think it was necessary. (If you thought lethal
force was necessary, you wouldn't be using rubber bullets, would you?) Ouch.
If you are justified in shooting them at all, you are justified in using
the best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on. It might actually
IMPROVE the legal outcome.
This is why hollow points hold up in court. They are safer for you, safer
for innocent by standers, (don't as a rule go through the perp) and actually
safer for the perp. If you are using military hard ball, you may have to
shoot him 'MANY' times, where one or two hollow points might stop him and
do the job. As a rule, the fewer wound channels, the better the chance
for his surviving the incident.
Rick
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From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)
Subject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
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news@cbnewsk.att.com writes:
>True.
>Also read 2 Peter 3:16
>Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who
>are not learned on the subject.
Where do insparations/Miracles fit in? I was a new reader to the bible
and Qu'ran at the same time in my life and I can tell you that I would
have drifted in my faith if Those books were not exposed to me.
>Joe Moore
--
Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu
After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: University of Virginia
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COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH writes
>it wouldn't be the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid the
>shame of capture and persecution.
This group killed itself to fulfill its interpretation of prophecy
and to book a suite in Paradise, taking innocent kids along for the
ride. I hardly think the feds were motivated by persecution. If they
were, all Koresh would have had to do was surrender quietly to the
authorities, without firing a shot, to get the American people behind
him and put the feds in the hot seat. But no, God told him to play
the tough guy. There's great strength in yielding, but few appreciate
this.
--
Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!
Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...
University of Virginia | Companion keyboard.
pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho
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From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar)
Subject: Need help !!
Keywords: Firewall gateway model, Kerberos
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
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I am currently writing a paper on computer protocols security. I would
appreciate your help. I currently have no insight into these topics except
that they relate to security in multilevel security network. Please semd me
any references, books, FAQs or contact persons names and Internet addresses.
The topics I am interested in:
1. The "firewall gateway model" as implemented in Internet gateways.
2. Kerberos Authentication Service
Please send me a private e-mail at eldar@sfu.ca and/or post it on the board.
Thanks a lot,
Danny
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From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)
Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ?
In-Reply-To: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU's message of Sun, 25 Apr 93 17:10:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
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In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:
In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
|>
|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?
|> ------------------------------------
|>
|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
|> attempt to starve the Gazans.
|>
|> [...]
|>
|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and
|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas
|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all
|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.
|>
|> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.
|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.
|>
|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I
|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.
|>
|> Harry.
O.K., its my turn:
DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!
I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed
to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their
plan !
(Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity
since it was coined by Bnai Brith)
What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media,
is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic
Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in
Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.
However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their
homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political
thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the
Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.
As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind.
Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true
super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the
Jews used to establish their state : Religion.
Ahmed.
Forget the syntax, Ahmed, and focus on the semnatics. The fact is that
the PLO does not recognize Israel's right to exist. This is perfectly
obvious from the PLO covenant (Cairo, 1968). The covenant calls for
the destruction of the "Zionist entity". As far as I know the
Israel-destruction clauses still exist in the document which specifies
the purpose for the existence of the PLO. If you would like, I can
post the relevant caluses.
Now the Hamas ideal is far more radical, it seems. I know it has been
posted here several times, and while I do not have a copy of it, I am
sure that someone does and he (or she, of course) would be more than
happy to repost it.
Regardless of phrasing, groups like Hamas, and the Hezbollah, and
even the newly moderate and politically-correct PLO, have at the very
heart of their ideologies the need for the destrcution of Israel.
It just seems to me that Mr. Davidsson's suggestion that Jews support
people envolved in these organizations is not a particularly appealing
one to many Jews.
Harry.
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From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.
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In-Reply-To: frank@D012S658.uucp's message of 15 Apr 1993 23:15:09 GMT
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In <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes:
(Attempting to define 'objective morality'):
> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base
> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly
> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),
> almost all would want to complain.
So long as you keep that "almost" in there, freedom will be a
mostly valuable thing, to most people. That is, I think you're really
saying, "a real big lot of people agree freedom is subjectively valuable
to them". That's good, and a quite nice starting point for a moral
system, but it's NOT UNIVERSAL, and thus not "objective".
> Therefore I take it that to assert or
> believe that "Freedom is not very valuable", when almost everyone can see
> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert "it is not raining" on
> a rainy day.
It isn't in Sahara.
--
Disclaimer? "It's great to be young and insane!"
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From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)
Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation
>patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and
>two wounded. In "retaliation", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded
>8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli
>government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is
>necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!!
>
>Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every
>Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral
>bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli
>government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.
>
>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
Ahhh, of course. Israeli morality pales in the face of charming events
like the string of PLO-run skyjackings in the mid 80's (remember those
TWA jokes?), and not to forget the Achille Lauro and however many airline
bombings they have committed, not to mention bombings on the streets of
Israel (It's gotten to a point where children are told not to go near any
bags or containers whose origins they don't know, because they could be
bombs), or last weeks Katyusha rocket attack on Northern Israel by Fatah,
those wonderful "mainstream moderates" with whom Israel is attempting
to negotiate.
Let's not forget the fact that more Palestinians are killed by Palestinians
than by Israelis. Ahh yes, those charming humanitarian death squads.
I've actually seen a videotape of an interrogation (DSee the documentary
_Deadly Currents_--very neutral and balanced--seriously)--It was rather
inquisition-esque. essentially, to prove his loyalty to "the cause" of
whichever group it was that was interogating him, he had to turn in someone
else, or else face death in one of the many fun-filled ways that the death-
squads love so much--beatings, dismemberment, acid, pouring melted plastic
on the face of the 'guilty party,' and of course beheading, always my
favorite. Did you catch the photos in the Washington Post a while back
the execution of a "collaborator?" 3 photos:
1) one Palestinian leading another at gunpoint.
2) The "collaborator" on his knees, the gun pointed at his temple.
3) The executioner standing on the corpse of the "collaborator
shouting about how this is what happens to collaborators.
Wonderful justice system, and lots of regard for Human rights.
Remember Black September?
Ok, so they just tried to take over Jordan, big deal.
I'm rambling now, but are you getting what I'm saying?
Amir
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From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL)
Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty?
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"James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we
>place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than
>we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error.
I would rather be at a higher risk of being killed than actually killed by
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
mistake. Though I do agree with the concept that the type D and E murderers
are a massive waste of space and resources I don't agree with the concept:
killing is wrong
if you kill we will punish you
our punishment will be to kill you.
Seems to be lacking in consistency.
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From: dleonard@wixer.cactus.org (Dale Leonard)
Subject: Re: wise to remove fan in Classic?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Lines: 22
In article <hansg.733929100@risken> hansg@risken.vd.volvo.se (Hans Granqvist) writes:
>Is it wise to even think about removing the annoying fan from my
>Classic? I have no warranty to void.
>
>And where do I get a screwdriver to fit in those funny screws?
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>Hans Granqvist, Volvo Data Corp., Gothenburg, Sweden --- my opinions only
>"To every complex problem there exists an easy solution that's not correct."
The screws are Torx screws and the tool isn't to hard to find. It's a
matter of finding one with a long enough shaft to do the trick.
No it is not a good idea to take that fan out. Why because it will
cause stuff to over heat. Internal hard drives, motherboard...You name
it and this can cause damage. I've known people to have hard drive
failures because of fans that didn't work right....
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From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS)
Subject: Greek Wordprocessor/Database.
Organization: National University of Singapore
Lines: 25
Hi there,
Does anyone know about any greek database/word processor that
can do things like count occurrences of a word, letter et al?
I'm posting this up for a friend who studies greek.
Thanks,
Nico.
P.S. Can you email as I seldom look into usenet nowadays.
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