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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 28
In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective. Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us. We love to
give advice.
>Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.
>Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
Couldn't help you here.
>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
You're reading it.
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2001
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From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Lines: 9
In article <Apr.21.03.24.13.1993.1268@geneva.rutgers.edu>, gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes:
>[Anecedotal material which ultimately shows that...]
> but from my experience,
> the modern Jew is not known for his proselytism.
A Rabbi once told me that theres is a talmudic tradition that someone who
wanted to convert to Judaism was to be turned away three times. If they
continue then they were accepted.
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2002
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From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna)
Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton;400 ton
Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Firm ERIDAN
Lines: 1
Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
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2003
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From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt)
Subject: Re: TIGERS
Keywords: Tigers
Nntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 15
In article <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> Ryan Kearns <RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I think that the Detroit Tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all
>time.
...
[shameless woofing deleted]
On behalf of the rest of us Tiger fans out here, I appoligize for this
shameless woofing. We try to keep it to a minimum, but we did WIN A GAME
the other day, so sometimes it's hard to control. see: Phillies Fans
:-)
Michael
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2004
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From: sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter)
Subject: Isuzu Amigo opinions wanted....
Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc.
Lines: 27
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: technet1.shl.com
Is there anyone out there in NetLand that has/has had one of these?
Can someone give me a non-Consumer Reports review (or point me to a source) ???
Thanks
Scott
-----------------------
sdexter@ucrengr.ucr.edu
Computer Science Undergraduate,
University of California, Riverside
Internet : 138.23.166.21
sdexter@technet1.shl.com
Facilities Engineer,
SHL SystemHouse, Inc. ,Technology Network
Internet : 192.75.61.2
" You say its gonna happen "now"
What exactly do you mean?
You see I've already waited too long,
And all my hope is gone "
- The Smiths
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2005
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From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM)
Subject: WINNLS.DLL?
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
I tried to install a foreign language Windows application
that required a file named WINNLS.DLL. I checked all of my
WIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not
find it. Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and
where one could get it from?
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2006
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From: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell)
Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)
Originator: ervan@dawn.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell)
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 35
In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
|> In article <16APR199317110543@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...
|> [.....]
|> Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government
|> power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the
|> interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using
|> government power for their own ends. But apart from that little
|> conundrum...
This is a difficult problem for which there is no obviously good
solution. One approach is simply to try and move political opinion
and hope a new more libertarian consensus lasts for a while. Another
approach is to try and amend the constitution. The original
constitution restrained the U.S. government from economic intervention
for 100 to 150 years, depending on just how one wants to count it.
The First Amendment, though weakened in many ways, still restrains
government (particularly state and local), even though on many
particular issues the majority is in favor of censorship. I think
libertarians would be happy with another 100 years of restraint via
an amendment or two (not that I think that's likely to happen).
Not necessarily Mr. Hendricks, but other posters seem to see this as
a problem with libertarianism, that it cannot be stable. That might
be true, but it is not an objection to libertarianism per se. If
a libertarian political consensus forms for a decade or two and then
falls apart again, we would just be back where we are now. This is
unlike the case for socialism where a socialist consensus that held
for a while and then fell apart would not leave us where we are now,
but instead with lots of bureaucracy that would be hard to get rid of,
if not tyranny as the end condition of a strong socialist consensus.
--
Ervan Darnell ervan@cs.rice.edu
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2007
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From: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (Space Cadet)
Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic
Nntp-Posting-Host: evenwood
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.
Lines: dog
Andrew Varvel writes:
>
>
> Serdar Argic
>(a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) writes:
>
>[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted
>wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.]
>
>
>WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT?
>
>--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--
>
>Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died...
ah c'mon, give the guy three days and see what comes up.
LEO
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| DISCLAIMER: it wasn't me, honest, | email:
| it was him, he made me do it!! | C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk
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2008
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From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged
Distribution: usa
Keywords: bad drivers
Lines: 29
In article <zdem0a.734809554@hgo7>, zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:
> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good ,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
> !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!
> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets
> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a
> >position to cash in my chips, too.
> > H.H. Mayo
>
> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!! Just what the world needs,
> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop.
Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, I
suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the bargain.
If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that
wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!!
"Thank God for the Fourth of July, for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable
load of fools"
Mark Twain
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2009
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From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
:Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key
: itself"
:You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright;
: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of
: copyrighted Peanuts strips.""
:Judge and CP: "Oh."
: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or
:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will
:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?
Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment
like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and
then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the
same trail.
--
Kenneth Ng
Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now.
"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting
on someone's table" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG
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2010
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Boog Powell (was re: CAMDEN YARDS)
<1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Lines: 9
In article <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, Mark B. says:
>
> Was he better than Balboni?
>
this borders on blasphemy.
bob vesterman.
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2011
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca
Lines: 34
In article <wayne.02uv@amtower.spacecoast.org> wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes:
>> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better
>> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when
>> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.
>
>A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data
>from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data
>and moves it to memory.
IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA,
and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to
do directly with SCSI.
> For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is
>issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other
>devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do
>something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be
>what I am doing while reading this group.
You can thank your software for that. If DOS had a few more brains, it
could format floppies etc. while you were doing something else. The
hardware will support it, but DOS (at least) won't. Again, this has
nothing to do with SCSI.
>Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which,
>thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is
>better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to
>completely get rid of IDE.
And if you stick with DOS you'll wonder why you can't multitask.
Again I ask why can't a UNIX or OS/2 type OS do all the miraculous things
with an IDE harddrive that it can with a (single) SCSI hard drive.
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2012
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From: hall@vice (Hal F Lillywhite;627-3877;59-360;LP=A;YApG)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 73
In article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:
> I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know
>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet
>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools,
>do you still think that just believing is enough?'
Actually I don't think there is any conflict if we really understand
what these passages say. First, what is faith? If you study the
meaning of the Greek and Hebrew words so translated I think you will
come to the conclusion that the word means a *lot* more than mere
belief. Faith means both trust and action. If you do not put your
belief into action it simply cannot qualify as faith. I think this
is what James means when he says that "faith without works is dead"
and, "I will show you my faith by my works." Remember James was
writing to "the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." This
probably means he was writing to those who would hear the gospel much
later and wouldn't understand the meaning of the original Greek.
(Indeed I suspect James was writing to us, today, among others he
intended to reach.) Paul, on the other hand wrote mostly to the
people of the Roman empire who generally understood the meaning of
the Greek.
Another key to why there is no conflict is to look at Paul's
statements in their context. I think you will find that when Paul
contrasts faith and works it is in the context of comparing the
gospel with the Law, meaning the Law of Moses. This was the great
burden of Paul's life. As the apostle to the Gentiles he would go
convert a bunch of people, then the "Judizers" would come along and
try to convince them that they also had to obey the Law of Moses (cf
Acts chapter 15). In this context Paul condemns the idea of being
saved by the works of the Law, saying that we are saved by the blood
of Jesus and our faith in him. I believe that a better translation
for today would be that we are saved by *faithfulness*. I think
"faithfulness" today has a meaning closer to what the original
writers intended.
>Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves
>and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith.
I think you misunderstand Romans. What Paul is really saying is
that God prefers a faithful Gentile who does not "keep kosher" to a
kosher Jew who fails to stay faithful in the more important matters
of following the Lord and having charity toward his fellows.
>But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to
>him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who
>knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible.
In the sense of faith described above, you cannot have real faith and
be lukewarm. If you know God but are lukewarm (unfaithful), you are
worse off than the person who never heard of Him. Remember, Jesus in
the parable of the pearl of great price (Mat 13:45-46) and again in
the one on the treasure hidden in the field (Mat 13:44) indicates that
the price of the Kingdom of God is *all* we have.
[I agree with you in general, including the fact that "pistis" has
some of the force of "faithful". However if you take that too far,
you can end up with something that Paul definitely would not have
intended. Being faithful means following God in all things. To say
that we are saved by being faithful is very close to saying that we
are saved by commiting no sins. I assume that's not what you meant.
I have almost given up on finding a specific verbal formula that
completely captures this. However I think Paul is describing what I'd
call a basic orientation, including aspects such as trust and
commitment. Jesus speaks of it as rebirth, which implies a basic
change. We may still do things that are sinful, and may fail to show
the new life in Christ in many situations where we should. But in any
Christian there had better be the basic change in orientation that
Jesus calls being born again.
--clh]
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2013
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From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili)
Subject: Copt-Net Newsletter[4]
Lines: 18
This is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter
has been issued. The highlights of this issue include:
1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen!
2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1)
3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4)
4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia
5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language
This Newsletter has been prepared by members of Copt-Net, a forum
where news, activities, and services of the Coptic Orthodox Churches
and Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated and exchanged.
If you want your name to be included in the mailing list, or have any
questions please contact Nabil Ayoub at <ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu>.
Copt-Net Editorial Board
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2014
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From: tjo@scr.siemens.com (Tom Ostrand)
Subject: Radio for Toyota Tercel
Keywords: radio,Tercel,replacement
Nntp-Posting-Host: bugatti.siemens.com
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Lines: 19
I'm looking for a replacement radio/tape player for a 1984
Toyota Tercel. Standard off-the-shelf unit is fine, but
every place I've gone to (Service Merchandise, etc.) doesn't
have my car in its model application book. I want to just
take out the old radio, and slide in the new, with minimal time
spent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard.
If you have put in a new unit in a similar car, I'd like to hear
what brand, how easy it was to do the change, and any other
relevant information.
Please answer via E-mail.
Thanks, Tom Ostrand
--
Tom Ostrand E-mail: tjo@scr.siemens.com
Siemens Corporate Research Phone: 609-734-6569
755 College Road East FAX: 609-734-6565
Princeton, NJ 08540-6668
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2015
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From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE)
Subject: Re: Ryan out for 2-5 weeks!!
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Lines: 12
And then cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) quoth:
>Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and
>is expected to miss 2-5 weeks.
That's too bad. I really had hoped Nolan could end his career with a great
year. I suppose there is still hope.
--
Jason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants
e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic
For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number:
"It might have been." John Greenleaf Whittier 155
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2016
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From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios)
Subject: Re: HELP: Need DIAGNOSTIC DISK for my COMPAQ DESKPRO 286.
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Lines: 29
In article <Apr.11.20.16.21.1993.26848@clam.rutgers.edu>, steuer@clam.rutgers.edu (robert Steuer) writes:
|> My emergency management group was given about 30 COMPAQ DESKPRO 286's
|> from a local company as they were outdated. Problem is though, it
|> seems that the CMOS settings cannot be set without this Diagnostic
|> Disk.
|> We get this error msg on boot up:
|> 162-System Options Not Set-(Run Setup)
|> Insert DIAGNOSTIC diskette in Drive A:
|>
|> If someone has this disk, please e-mail me. Thank You!
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> | Robert M. Steuer Amateur Radio: KF2EK@N3FOA.#EPA.PA.USA.NA |
|> | Rutgers University Internet: steuer@clam.rutgers.edu |
|> | VHF Repeater System Cherry Hill, NJ - KF2EK Repeater 145.370MHz |
|> | Computer Operating System OS/2 2.0 - Why settle for less? |
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert,
You have probably solved your problem by now. Anyway, if you can get your
hands on QA Plus (version 4.21, maybe others as well), it will let you write
the COMPAQ CMOS settings. I know because I just did it.
I was just about to search for such a diagnostic disk when my brother-in-law
fixed an old DESKPRO with it. You might try the simtel mirror FTP sites.
George
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2017
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/....
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Lines: 49
In article <1993Apr17.082102.4155@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <KCKLUGE.93Apr16155756@krusty.eecs.umich.edu>, kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) writes:
>>
>> ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and
>> moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King
>> allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year!
>> Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization
>> change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties
>> in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's
>> a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus
>> on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are
>
> Your response is yet another sign of the trend towards One World
>Government. Many people such as yourself, who are otherwise probably
>likeable and intelligent, show every sign of having been successfully
>brainwashed. You don't recognize that your "inevitable tide" is rolling
>into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization. Some
>of us do indeed "lament the passing of old forms", such as the Bill of
>Rights, which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be
>changed, transferred or surrendered...rights of man that far transcend
>
> Yes, Napoleon wanted a Grand New Order. Hitler wanted a
>Thousand Year Reich. Lenin knew that Bolshevism would give us the
>Universal New Man. The New World Order is just so much of the same
>old tired garbage. The pathetic part is that so many Americans seem
"Put not your trust in princes" is the Biblical proverb. The modern
analog is governments. At the time of the founding of the US, the
idea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not
that common, but was explicit in the writings of the founders. To a
considerable extent, Englishmen also had those rights.
Yes, times change, and technology changes. The possibility of
a few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until
quite recently. In the feudal system, the lord was almost as
restricted as the serfs, so having the people enserf themselves
does not make anything better; most feudal lords, and even most
slaveowners, did not mistreat those under them.
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack NOW.
--
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
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2018
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning
>> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much
>> bigger role than in the 4-1 game.
>
>But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to
>one run.
Yeah, but what's your point? You still need the offense to score more runs
than you allow, too.
The Braves do have a fine pitching staff. But that's still only half the
game.
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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2019
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From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field))
Subject: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK?
Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Lines: 28
I love the FAQ.
The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining
correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is
this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well?
Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of
only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to
95%? Why such a difference? I thought the proceedures were simmilar
with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in PRK. I must not
be understanding all of the differences.
In the FAQ, the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than
with glasses alone. If this is completly attributable to the
intentional slight undercorrection, then it can be compensated for when
necessary with glasses (or contacts, if they CAN be worn afterall!). It
is important to know if that is not the case, however, and some other
consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision. The
first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense, which
glasses couldn't help.
would not help.
--
| Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | I'm just a lowly phlebe. |
| dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | |
| Biochemistry, Biotechnology | I'm at the phlebottom |
| California Polytechnic State U | of the medical totem pole. |
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2020
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From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)
Subject: Lasers for dermatologists
Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca
Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Lines: 15
Having had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years, and finding
it resistant to ALL creams and powders I have tried, I wonder why
dermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus. It would
seem likely to be effective and inexpensive. Are there good reasons
for not using lasers?
I was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age.
John McKay
vax2.concordia.ca
--
Deep ideas are simple.
Odd groups are even.
Even simples are not.
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2021
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Schedule...
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Lines: 40
mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good.
>
>But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only
>reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts.
Yes, a point well-taken ... however, even in areas that finally got
some games, there's something nagging in the back of your skull when
the network that has the national rights in its pocket says on its
sports news, "There's an awesome overtime going on in Quebec City,
and we'll *try* to get you an update through the show ..." when you
know that it's on a satellite's feedhorn somewhere up there ...
>If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet
>the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet.
From today's Times, ABC got great ratings in Chicago and St. Louis (a
4.2), and the Kings-Flames got a 2.9 on the West Coast, but only a 2.2
in metro New York (i.e., the Devils squandered their newfound support
from a year ago when they played the Rangers )-;). In comparison,
Seniors Golf did better ...
>Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey.
I fear that the overall national numbers will not be so great ...
I can't tell if ABC did any advance marketing or not, 'cos I don't
watch much TV ... the NHL should have made sure that it was solid
on cable before going on the air. Even ESPN could've sold second
rights to third party systems (i.e., non-SportsChannel) since they
are not making any extra money by sitting on the games ... hockey
fans will not necessarily be watching pre-season beach volleyball
if playoffs games aren't being shown somewhere ...
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
<1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
<sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com>
Lines: 7
In article <sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com>
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>Ignorance is not bliss!
Ignorance is STRENGTH!
Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE!
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
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Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 51
In article <lt8keoINN31v@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
>In article <C5sIAJ.Ks7@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>
>>Why didn't they release the children weeks ago?
>
>It would have been inconsistent behavior for them to have done so.
>
>Some people believe that there is more to life than the physical requirements.
>
>These folks believed that the generally-held standards of the surrounding
>community (heck, most of the world) were morally wrong, and letting the
>children be abandoned to this (godless/unbelieving) culture would be condeming
>them to eternal loss and separation from God.
>
>By their standards, letting the children go would be abandoning them to a fate
>literally worse than death.
>
>The FBI (and BATF and media) people working on the issue, I suspect,
>just couldn't get their heads into a similar-enough (to say nothing of
>identical) mode of thinking to realize what they were doing.
>
>Physically, there was no reason why the BD's shouldn't have given up and come
>out a long time ago.
>
>From the point of view of the BD's, they were up against the wall and had nowhere
>to go at all.
>
>They apparently really did love their kids too much to abandon them to a godless
>bunch of outsiders...although the end result was horribly twisted.
>
>I didn't say the BD's were right, I just said that that's the way they perceived
>it.
>
>Koresh was a nutcase, and a bunch of other people paid for that.
>
>And the FBI and BATF miscalculated and misunderstood what was going on from the
>word go.
Very likely possible. Reminds me of the movie "The Rapture".
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------
>| Some things are too important not to give away |
>| to everybody else and have none left for yourself. |
>|------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----|
--
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From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)
Subject: R4 Version of xrecplay
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: I-NET Inc.
Lines: 14
I have and use xrecplay for X11R5. Does one exist for X11R4???
I have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at
ess@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email
address. Archie is no help either.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,
---
Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc.
NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950
NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698
Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel)
Subject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard
Keywords: 486, motherboard
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 36
In article <id.XNFZ.VJ8@nmti.com> korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes:
>In article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:
>>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with
>>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?
>>Any information would be helpful!
>>thanks
>>Brian J Schaufenbuel
>
>
>I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset
>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The
>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this
>reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-
>ing to replace it for exactly this reason.
>
>Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard
>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA
>DMA.
>
>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using
>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a
>EISA SCSI host adapter.
>
>--
>Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)
>Network Management Technology Incorporated
>Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357
You are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says
that they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks...
--
_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________
| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ "There is no art which one government sooner learns ]
| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]
| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]." - Adam Smith ]
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From: bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day)
Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Lines: 12
mcole@spock (COLE) writes:
>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out
>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers,
>etc.?
Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051
--
Brian Day bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
New Technology, Inc. (205) 461-4584
Mission Software Development Division Opinions are my own -
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From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)
Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr20.230749.12821
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Lines: 36
In article <sehari.735331566@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>
>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how
>effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area?
>
> With highest regards,
> Babak Sehari.
Uh oh...
Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve
modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c.
All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have
been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new
ways to "crack" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact
is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or
less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked.
I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not
impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good
one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying
to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions,
assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea,
legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of
files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy
protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for
practical applications, and are merely curious?
Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I
can.
Incidentally, the "Uh oh..." at the top is indicative of the dread
anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels
when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with
dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it
(from one side or the other.)
Matt
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From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley)
Subject: Electronics
Summary: here they are
Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: usa
Lines: 20
Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one.
new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO.
Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.
Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.
paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.
Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers
not included. $20 plus shipping.
If you are interested in either of the above mail me at
radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu.
_
_ // Major: Computer Science /<eith Radley
\\// Minor: English Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
\/ Computer: AMIGA 3000 University of North Carolina
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From: (Sean Garrison)
Subject: Re: Fenway Gif
Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University
Lines: 11
I'd love to see a Shea Stadium gif.
-Sean
*******************************************************************************
"Behind the bag!"
- Vin Scully
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From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Lines: 71
In a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says:
>6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return
>conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands
>of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under
>Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from
>returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also
>left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to
>return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ?
>Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge
>somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in
>his homeland ?
You are conveniently ommitting the fact that the Arab governments told the
Arab citizens of Israel to leave Israel, join with the Arab armies so that
after what they felt like an assured victory occured, these Arabs could
return to their former homes, reclaim them as well as anything else they
wanted that belonged to Jews. When the Arabs lost, Israel was left with
a bunch of people who has just tried to kill them who now wanted back
into the country as citizens. What would you have done? Let them in so
they could kill Jews? Israel sees those Arabs who stayed as citizens
because they were loyal to Israel during the war and didn't leave. Of
course some Arabs could have left to avoid the fighting but distinguishing
between the two is impossible. Therefore a decision was made based on
secuturity of the country.
>8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in
>Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very
>little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many
>Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are
>not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want
>Arabs ?
No kibbutz that I have ever visited has any "employees" unless they had to
hire some people for the restaurants, hotels etc if there weren't enough
people ON the kibbutz to do them. In such cases, they are paid properly.
If a kibbutz turns away an Arab, 9I have never seen or heard of this) but it
reflects only on the membership comittee of that kibbutz, not the whole
kibbutz movement.
>to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious
>communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish
>civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests
>to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a
>secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory.
This just shows how ignorant you are of Israeli politics. Although the
major parties in Israel aren't religious (however not totally secular),
due to the format of the government (coalition) the religious parties have
always had a lot of pull since they were needed to form a majority coalition.
In fact, from what I heard the present government is the least influenced
by the religious parties in the existance of Israel. Israel CANNOT be
called a secular state. For instace, Haifa is the only city in the country
(except for maybe some Arab cities) where buses run on the Jewish Sabbath.
There are many other examples of religion in Israel. Marriages in Israel
are NOT contolled by the state, but by Rabbis and Priests. Obviously your
disbelief of this fact sheds some light of your ignorance of the country
you claim to know so much about.
Steve
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Organization: City University of New York
From: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Karadzic on Bosnia peace plan
Lines: 2
What does anyone think that Judge Wopner would do if Karadzic was
on trial before him? (Nevah happen, but just a thought...)
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From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah)
Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!!
Lines: 23
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Deepak Chhabra (dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca) wrote:
: Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a
: team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their
: zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red
: Army.
: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan)
Yeah, the Nords look like they're going to be good...but (excuse the
bias) have you ever watched the Pens on a rush?...Don't answer: everyone
has seen this footage. Near the end of the season when the Pens played
the Nords it was like watching a (younger) double of the Pens. ...The
Nords looked good right up to the point when they lost.
--
Ravi Shah
shah+@pitt.edu
"La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: "Music will bring ideas
y siempre continuara' and will continue forever
sonido electro'nico electronic sound
decibel sinte'tico" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"
-Kraftwerk
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Calling a library which creates widgets (multiple times)
Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 91
A few days ago I posted a question about trying to call a function which set
up an X app multiple times. It was pointed out that XtAppInitialize() should
never be called more than once. This helped. However, I am still having
some problems. Below is a new little test program that more closely models
my real program. In the actual program, I am writing a library, callable
from any other program. This means that the first time the lib function is
called, it must initialize things, and after that, it should just use the
old stuff (still around because of static variables). In the demo below,
main() represents the main program calling my library and doit() represents
the interface to the library function.
#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/PushB.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
void bla(XtAppContext app, Widget top)
{
Widget topone = top; // in real prog, these are member vars
XtAppContext theapp = app; // of a class
int junk = 0;
Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(theapp, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk,
NULL);
Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
topone,
XmNheight, 50,
XmNwidth, 50,
NULL);
XtRealizeWidget(topone);
for (int i=0;i<=25;i++) // real prog returns when "Exit" button clicked
{
XEvent event;
XtAppNextEvent(theapp, &event);
XtDispatchEvent(&event);
}
XtDestroyWidget(box);
XtCloseDisplay(dis);
}
// SetItUp - should be called once only
void SetItUp(XtAppContext *app, Widget *top)
{
int junk = 0;
(*top)=XtAppInitialize (app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,
NULL, NULL, 0);
}
// doit - some library function callable from the outside
void doit()
{
static XtAppContext app; // use these every time called
static Widget top;
static int setup = 0;
if (!setup)
{
SetItUp(&app, &top);
setup = 1;
}
bla(app, top);
}
// main - program which links to my library
main()
{
for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)
{
doit();
printf("sleeping...\n");//widget still on screen at this point
sleep(5);
}
}
The problem is that the widget does not go away until the new one is created.
(It is still on the screen -- unusuable -- during the "sleep" in the main prog,
despite the XtDestroyWidget call).
Anyone see something I'm missing?
Thanks very much.
(Please respond via email)
--
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David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Lines: 15
Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
Mike Terry asks:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects
of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
off the ground.
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
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From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte)
Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650
Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 23
In <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
>I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I
>asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for
>years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging
>ADB devices with the power on.
The problem is that the pins in the ADB connector
are close to each other, and if you happen to bend the
cable a little while inserting it, you short the ADB
port. If you take it to an Apple Repair Centre, that
means a new motherboard (though a component replace IS
physically possible)
Same goes for serial ports (LocalTalk as well)
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.
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From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt)
Subject: Re: Help with SIMMs
Keywords: SIMM questions answers
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Lines: 53
Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu
In article <C5Fu1u.pxx@austin.ibm.com> guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes:
>
>In article <10998@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr12.172751.27270@fct.unl.pt> fcm@diana.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Correia Martins (MEI 1)) writes:
>> >Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote:
>> >: When I look at a magazine ad that says:
[deleted]
>> >: what exactly do the numbers mean? (i.e. which is the MB, ns...)
>> >
>> >The numbers 60, 70 and 80 refers to nanoseconds. Could someone explain
>> >*exactly* what this numbers means? (Time spent bettwen processor's request
>> >and answer retrieved (in case of reading)? )
>>
>> It means the time required for the memory to refresh, i.e. a 1x9-60
>> needs 60ns before it is ready to be read again.
>
>Nope! It's the time taken to read data from memory. It's the read time.
>The memory will still have to be refreshed. The whole phase is called
>a cycle, the cycle time being about twice the access time.
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to
be refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be
twice the access time *because of refresh phase*.
The access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw
address strobe (RAS) to data bus driven.
DRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some
signals are intentionally omitted);
ADDR --<RA><CA>-------<RA><CA>--------- RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address
RAS ~~~~\________/~~~~~\________/~~~~~ ~=High, _=Low, -=Floating
CAS ~~~~~~~\_______/~~~~~~\_______/~~~ <..>=driven either H or L
DATA ---------<VALID>--------<VALID>---
|-------+------|
|-+--| |
| +----------- cycle time
+---- access time (or RAS access time)
Yes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not*
because of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a
trailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle.
>
[other stuff deleted]
>
Ken Nakata
--
/* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in
this mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a
second language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words
or each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */
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From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
Subject: Angels win!
Article-I.D.: pollux.1psvouINNa2l
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 6
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
The Angels won their home opener against the Brewers today before 33,000+
at Anaheim Stadium, 3-1 on a 3-hitter by Mark Langston. J.T. Snow and
Gary Discarcina hit home runs for the Angels.
Daniel
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From: bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper)
Subject: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ??
Organization: CIMLINC, Inc. - Engineering
Lines: 63
Hello,
I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have
come across a few that look good:
Zapp 1.1 from Inmark
Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software
C++/Views from Liant
Win++ from Blaise
Some considerations I'm using:
Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and
intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very
important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows
programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with
the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the
sake of changing the API, are valuable.
Since we will be developing for the 32bit Windows NT system the
memory management issues and issues particular to the Windows 3.1 API are less
important.
We will probably buy another C++ class library (something like Tools.h++ or Booch
components from Rational) to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff
(allocators etc...). So those features are not that important for this toolkit to have.
The two that I have narrowed it down to are ZApp and Zinc, they seem to be the two
toolkits that have received the most attention from the media. I was wondering if
anyone had any first-hand experience with any of these toolkits (especially ZApp and Zinc).
A couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are:
ZApp
----
Seems to have the most extensive coverage of Windows functionality and
also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes.
Has new fancy 3D-style controls available, and support for custom controls.
Has a Windows NT version (Essential)
Redirectable graphics display/output architecture (useful for printing)
Sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize.
Seems to be the newcomer, this could be an advantage in designing a better system.
Zinc
----
Has a platform independent resource strategy. (Not too important for me right now)
Comes with a interface builder tool
Has a Windows NT version (Essential)
Seems to have been around longer (more mature), but grew up out of a DOS version.
Had a better demo :-)
Both have source code availability options
Both are lacking OLE support
Neither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff
Any thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated,
Thanks,
Brett Harper
brett.harper@cimlinc.com
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From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky)
Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security)
Keywords: cooperation
Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 43
In article <1993Apr14.055903.5358@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:
>
>
>I say "in theory" because in another case, a woman was held in
>contempt for refusing to reveal the location of her child even after
>taking the 5th. In this case, the woman was suspected of having
>murdered the kid, so taking the 5th wasn't surprising. Sure, so she
>was probably guilty, but that's not good enough. In our system you're
>not supposed to be able to force a suspect to confess to a crime, no
>matter how strongly you think they're guilty. You have to develop
>your evidence independently. Doing otherwise might catch a few more
>crooks, but only at the cost of turning the clock back to the middle
>ages, when confessions were routinely tortured out of suspects both
>guilty and innocent.
>
OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02. I would
just add to Phil's very infomative discussion the following caveat: the
fifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases. ("...nor shall any person .
. . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...").
Thus if the father sued for custody of the children, the case would be
civil and the defendant mother would not have fifth amendment protection.
Oddly enough, her refusal to give information in a civil case can lead to
criminal contempt charges (thus landing her in jail.) The interesting part
of all this is that in a murder trial, the woman CAN plead the fifth as
to the location of the child--this is routine. A "computer crime"
prosecution thus would seem to be fertile ground for this kind of defense,
where a suit by a party injured by "hackers" would not. If I am accused,
for example, of sending encrypted kiddie porn over the nets the fifth should
protect my key. If I am accused of sending copyrighted material, however,
it proabably will not (copyright infringement not being a "crime" in the
technical sense.) The REALLY tricky question is, say I do both (naughty
boy that I am) can the government use the information gained in the civil
trial (ie. my key) to gain access to my files for use in the criminal
prosecution. The answer should certainly be no, but lord only knows how
this would work out.
Steve.
--
Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School
steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu
"All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.
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From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: CD'S FOR SALE
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Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated
which includes shipping and handling.
Achtung baby U2 *
Joshua tree U2 **
The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12
Love hurts Cher *
Garth brooks Garth brooks *
Red hot ..chilli peppers.. **
OOOOOHHHHH TLC **
Light and shadows wilson **
* Used only once.
** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps
Please email to
kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu
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From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
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In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:
>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical
Huh? If I buy a 128M optical, I might lose my friends? Why - do they
smell bad?
:-)
>and stop worrying about cartridge wear (Bernoulli) or crashes (SyQuest)
On a serious note, I have heard the tales about SyQuest failures. But I
am curious about Jon's comments on cartridge wear for the the Bernoullis.
Can someone elaborate? Is there a general consensus that the 128M opticals
are the most reliable? I am mostly concerned about media failures, as
opposed to drive mechanism failures.
--
Julian Vrieslander
Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853
INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu BITNET: eacj@crnlthry
UUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj
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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
In-Reply-To: todd@phad.la.locus.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:28:00 GMT
Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU
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<1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com>
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In article <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson) writes:
As for advertising -- sure, why not? A NASA friend and I spent one
drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need
to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization
on the face of the Moon. Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning.
Hmmm. It actually isn't all that much, is it? Like about 2 million
km^2 (if you think that sounds like a lot, it's only a few tens of m^2
per burger that said organization sold last year). You'd be best off
with a reflective substance that could be sprayed thinly by an
unmanned craft in lunar orbit (or, rather, a large set of such craft).
If you can get a reasonable albedo it would be visible even at new
moon (since the moon itself is quite dark), and _bright_ at full moon.
You might have to abandon the colour, though.
Buy a cheap launch system, design reusable moon -> lunar orbit
unmanned spraying craft, build 50 said craft, establish a lunar base
to extract TiO2 (say: for colour you'd be better off with a sulphur
compound, I suppose) and some sort of propellant, and Bob's your
uncle. I'll do it for, say, 20 billion dollars (plus changes of
identity for me and all my loved ones). Delivery date 2010.
Can we get the fast-food chain bidding against the fizzy-drink
vendors? Who else might be interested?
Would they buy it, given that it's a _lot_ more expensive, and not
much more impressive, than putting a large set of several-km
inflatable billboards in LEO (or in GEO, visible 24 hours from your
key growth market). I'll do _that_ for only $5bn (and the changes of
identity).
Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
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From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)
Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5
Organization: Florida State University
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Someone sent me this FAQ by E-mail and I post my response here.
[I'm not enforcing the inclusion limits on this FAQ because most
of our readers probably haven't seen it. --clh]
Christ warns that anyone who "breaks one of the least of these
commandments *and* teaches otheres to do the same will be called least in
the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 5:19. This FAQ is so full of error that I
must respond to it. I hope that whoever maintains will remove from it the
partisan theology.
| > Brothers and Sisters,
| >
| > Being new to the faith and examining the Decalogue closely, I've noticed the
| > fourth commandment is pretty specific about "keeping the Sabbath day." It
| > states the 7th day( Saturday ) is the Sabbath while most Christian religions
| > keep( or atleast go to church ) on Sunday. What's up?
|
| This is a frequently asked question. Every time it arises, it causes
| months of debate. So let me see if I can answer you directly.
| Basically it's because the Law was given to Moses as part of a
| specific covenanent with the Jews. Most of us aren't Jews, so we
| aren't part of that covenant. There was an argument early in
| Christian history about whether the Mosaic laws should apply to
| Gentiles who became Christians. You can see the account of this
| debate in Acts 15. The main question there was circumcision, but
| keeping the Sabbath would be part of it as well. The apostles
| concluded that we need not become Jews in order to become Christians,
| and therefore that rules such as circumcision did not apply to us.
1. The law was known to man before it was revealed on Mount Sinai. Rom
4:15 notes that "where no law is, there is no transgression." Not only
did sin exist before Sinai (Eden), but the Sabbath was kept before it
was revealed on Sinai (Ex 16).
2. The problem with the first covenant was not the law, but the promise
which undergirded it. God wanted to perform his will in the lives of the
people, but in their ignorance after 400 years of slavery, they promised
"what ever He says to do we will do." That is why the new covenant is
based on "better promises" (Heb. 8:6). Rather than do away with the law
God promised to "put my laws in their minds and write them on their
hearts" (Heb. 8:10).
3. Including the Sabbath in the Acts 15 is selective inclusion. The
Sabbath was more important to the Jews than circumcision. If any attempt
had been made to do away with the Sabbath the reaction would have been
even more strident than is recorded in Acts 15. Do not confuse the weekly
Sabbath of the Decalogue with the ceremonial sabbaths which could occur at
any time of the week and were part of the law (ceremonial) which was
*added* because of transgression (of the moral law) (Gal 3:19).
4. Israel stands for God's people of all time. That is why God *grafted*
the Gentiles in. Roma 9:4 says that the adoption, the glory, the
covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises
belong to Israelites. In explanation Paul makes it clear that being born
into Israel is not enough "For they are not all Israel, which are of
Israel" v 6. Then in Gal 3:19 he says "if ye be Christ's, then are ye
Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." All Christians are
Abraham's seed, Jews, Israelites. Not physically, for that is not the
criterion, but spiritually. We are joint heirs with Jesus based on the
promise God made to all his people the Israelites.
|
| While Christians agree that the OT Laws do not all apply to us,
| because some of them are part of a specific covenanent with the Jews,
| we also expect to see some similarity between the things God expected
| from the Jews and the things he expects from us. After all, it's the
| same God. However there are several ways of dealing with this.
|
| These days the most common approach is to separate the OT commandments
| into "moral" and "ceremonial". Ceremonial commandments apply only to
| the Jews. They are part of the specific Mosaic covenant. These are
| thinsg like the kosher laws and circumcision. Moral laws apply to
| everyone. Most of the 10 commands are part of the moral law, except
| for the commandment about the Sabbath. I believe most people who take
| this approach would say that the specific requirement to worship on
| the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, but a general obligation to
| worship regularly is part of the general moral law. Thus Christians
| are free to choose the specific time we worship.
People would probably agree but they are wrong. How can the Sabbath
commandment be ceremonial when it is part of a law which predates the
ceremonial laws? You are not free to choose your time of worship. Even
if you were why do you follow a day of worship which has its origins in pagan
sun worship. Would you rather give up a day which God blessed,
sanctified, and hallowed in exchange for one which all church leaders
agree has not biblical foundation (see Sabbath Admissions in
soc.religion.christian.bible-study).
|
| A more radical approach (which is generally connected with John Calvin
| and the Reformed tradition) says that the Law as a whole is no longer
| binding. Instead, we are entirely under grace, and our behavior
| should be guided solely by love. Portions of the OT Law are still
| useful as guidance. But they are not properly speaking legally
| binding on us. In practice most people who take this position do not
| believe it is safe to leave Christians without moral guidannce. While
| we may no longer be under Law, as sinners, it's not safe for us to go
| into situations with no principles to guide us. We're too good at
| self-justification for that to be safe. Thus Christians do have moral
| guidance, from things like Jesus' teachings, Paul's advice, etc.
| These may not be precisely a Law, but they serve much the same
| function as, and have largely the same content as, the "moral law" in
| the previous analysis. While Calvin would deny that we have a fixed
| legal responsibility to worship on any specific day, he would say that
| given human weakness, the discipline of regular worship is important.
|
I do not care what Calvin or any theologian says. My guide is what God
says. If being not under the law means we do not have to keep the law,
why is it that the only section of the law we have trouble with is the
Sabbath commandment, which is the only one God thought was important
enough to say *REMEMBER*? If you study the word deeply you will note that
the message is that we are no longer under the condemnation of the law but
freed by the grace of God. If a cop pulls me over for speeding, then in
court I ask for mercy and the judge does not throw the book at me but gives me
grace, do I walk out of the court saying "I can now go on speeding, for I
am now under grace?" Being under grace I now drive within the speed
limit. Paul adds to it in Rom. 3:31 "Di we then make void the law through
faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." "Wherefore the law is
holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" (Rom. 7:12).
| In both analyses, the specific day is not an issue. As a matter of
| tradition, we worship on Sunday as a memorial of Christ's
| resurrection. There's some debate about what Acts shows about early
| Christian worship. The most common analysis is that is shows Jewish
| Christians continuing to go to Jewish services on the Sabbath, but
| that specifically Christian service were not necessarily held then.
| Act 20:7 shows worship on the first day (Sunday), and I Cor 16:2 also
| implies gatherings on that day.
|
| There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to
| worship on the Sabbath (Saturday). The best-known are the Seventh-Day
| Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. They argue that Act 20:7 is not a
| regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and
| that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service.
Do you prefer implication to fact? A careful study of the Acts 20 shows
that the meeting was on Saturday night and that on Sunday morning Paul did
not go to a worship service, but set off on a long journey by foot to
Assos. In ICor 16 there is no way you can equate "lay by him in store"
with "go to a worship service."
|
| It's clear that this issue was a contested one in Paul's time. See
| Rom 14:5. Paul's advice is that we should be very careful about
| judging each other on issues like this. One person sees a specific
| day as mandated by God, while another does not. He who observes that
| specific day does it in honor of the Lord. He who believes his
| worship is free of such restrictions also does it in honor of the
| Lord. (Those who believe that the Sabbath is still mandated argue
| that Paul is not referring to Sabbath worship here. Note however Col
| 2:16, which says something similar but briefer. It explicitly
| mentions Sabbath.)
Wrong. These are the sabbath days of the ceremonial law, not the Sabbath
day of the moral law.
|
| There are some differences among Christians about use of the word
| "Sabbath". Originally the term referred to the 7th Day, the Jewish
| day of worship. Many Christians now use it to refer to Sunday, the
| day of Christian worship. They do this largely so that they can apply
| the 4th (or whatever -- there are a couple of different numbering
| schemes) commandment to it. Reformed tradition does not do this. It
| distinguishes between the Sabbath -- which is the observance mandated
| for Jews, and the Lord's Day -- which is the free Christian worship.
| (The only reference I can find to this in the NT is Rev 1:10.) There
| are also differences about laws regarding this day. Many Christians
| support "blue laws", both in secular law and church law, setting aside
| that day and causing people to spend it in worship. The more radical
| anti-legal approach sees such regulations as a return to the Jewish
| Sabbath, which is not appropriate to the free Christian worship of the
| Lord's Day.
|
Why would you prefer to twist and turn, relying on different arguments
which conflict with each other, rather than obey a simple request from a
God who loved you enough to die for you. Jesus died because the law could
not be changed. Why bother to die in order to meet the demands of a
broken law if all you need to do is change the law. Penalties for law
breaking means the law is immutable. That is why it is no sin not to
follow the demands of the ceremonial laws. It will always be a sin to
make false gods, to violate God's name, to break the Sabbath, to steal, to
kill, etc. Except it you disagree. But then your opinion has no weight
when placed next to the word of God.
Darius
[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I
think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is
probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing
what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally
accept that those who "esteem all days alike" are similarly doing
their best to honor the Lord.
However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous
proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I
indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.
The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually
about something else. They both look like they are talking about
nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says "and they
gathered every Sunday for worship". We get various pieces of
information, but nothing aimed at answering this question.
Act 2:26 describes Christians as participating both in Jewish temple
worship and in Christian communion services in homes. Obviously the
temple worship is on the Sabbath. Acts 13:44 is an example of
Christians participating in them. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us
what day Christians met in their houses. Acts 20:7, despite Darius'
confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday. (I see no
reason to impose modern definitions of when days start, when the
Biblical text is clear about what was meant.) The wording implies to
me that this was a normal meeting. It doesn't say they gathered to
see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread,
Paul talked about his upcoming travel. But that's just not explicit
enough to be really convincing. Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says
that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's
collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially
to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it,
but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be
when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do
it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day.
So I think the most obvious reading of this is that "on the first day
of every week" simply means every time they gather for worship.
I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements
is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian
worship was.
--clh]
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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Subject: HELP: looking for Cleveland Sports Mailing List Info
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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I'm looking for the address to join the Cleveland Sports Mailing List.
If anyone knows it, I would be greatful if they could email a copy of
it to me. If you are a member, just mail me one of the List's letters.
I could probably figure it out from there.
Thanks!
--
MM MM FFFFF Michael J. Fath
M M M M F Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M M M FFF Harvard Medical School
M M F Boston, MA 02115 fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Bike advice
Organization: Lehigh University
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I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first
kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I
was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be
higher/lower?
Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what
year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg????
Thanks for the help!
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes:
>Keith Allan Schneider (keith@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>Some soldiers are dependent on religion, for a number of purposes.
>And some are no doubt dependent on cocaine, yet I don't see the military paying
>for coca fields.
While religion certainly has some benefits in a combat situation, what are
the benefits of cocaine?
keith
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From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f/sale
X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT
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Organization: persian cat & carpet co.
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"Computer Friends" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on
your videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont
sell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping).
cheers
Mike.
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From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)
Subject: Re: Pens Info needed
Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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In article <1993Apr16.171319.13467@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes:
>
>>Coaching news:
>> Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks
>Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda
>hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any
>of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov?
The first time I heard this piece of news was on the post game radio
interview here in Jyvaskyla. That was the bronze medal game in the
SM-liiga which Tichonov's team Porin Assat (the Aces of town Pori:)
lost. Vasili, the son of Victor Tichonov (the famous Soviet coach),
said that for a long time the Sharks have been persuading him to
take the assistant coach post. But he wants to be the head coach where
ever he goes. He definitely won't be coaching Assat anymore (after
three? seasons). I don't know why.
Vasili is a good coach I believe. Assat was a good team, produced many
players to our national team. Assat wasn't a skilled team (IMHO) but
they had the fighting spirit. After all, they butchered Jokerit in the
playoffs and gave hard time to TPS, the champs. But Assat wasn't
consistent, only when they were in the right mood they could beat any
team in the SM-liiga.
I am not 100% sure about the deal with the Sharks. As I said, he wants
to be the head coach. But he and the Sharks are going to negotiate and
decide during the WC. I doubt that he will be the head coach but
maybe they'll do some compromise.
Could somebody post more information about Vasili? I know he was coaching
in the former Soviet league; teams, results? His character as a coach?
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.060553.22453
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <YfkBJQS00Uh_E9TFo_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>
>
[stuff about RHD deSoto's deleted]
>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on
Australians still do drive on the "wrong" side of the road. I believe
Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped
all the traffic signs around one Sunday....
>the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been
>larger then than just the UK.
>
Craig
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon
Organization: University of Rochester
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In article <STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
> Why Paul, it's obvious.
> Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,
> as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will
> sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to
> assume any developments in Ti processing).
> Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for
> the trendy jewelry market and certain applications
> of National Importance
>
> :-) :-) :-)
Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The
chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving
dominance in the marketplace.
Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced
white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the
metal.
> Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis
> in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe
> the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local
> use...
Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are
there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)
Paul F. Dietz
dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu
Subject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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and A VGA monitor..
e-mail
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
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Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
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Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:
> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds.
Hey, it's better than the status quo.
I am far less worried about "the feds" tapping my phone than high school
scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and
cordless phone calls.
It would be stupid to rely on even a "Clipperized" channel for truly
sensitive material, but it *does* seem to finally offer a reasonable way to
guard against casual eavesdropping. For example, even with my strong "right
to bear arms" view of the private right to possess and use strong
cryptosystems, the system as described provides enough security that I would
actually buy a cordless phone, and would be much less wary of using cellular
phones, walkie-talkies, and so on. As long as it's only used for mass-market
voice scrambling, I actually don't see a problem with it.
If you want more security than it offers, use something different. Use PKCS
for electronic mail, CELP over DES or triple DES with Diffie-Hellman key
exchange for your voice traffic, or whatever.
And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at
least an incrememental improvement for certain applications...
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
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From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (I don't know who discovered water, but it wasn't no fish - Marshall McCluhan)
Subject: waco conflagration - precedents?
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burning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch
had other choices.
but it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the
antichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great
started westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few
years later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned
themselves alive by the thousands.
are there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting
to self-imolation? is there a history of precedents?
andrew.
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From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu
In article <81930415084418/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well
>stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being
>distributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in
>San Leandro, CA.
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>The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer
>see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years.
>
>These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for
>sporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under
>the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms.
Are you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last
Thursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders
ad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is
a part in the middle which rather prominently says "WANTED: We pay
cash for assault rifles and pistols.". Granted, I haven't seen today's
paper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it.
It's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers)
anyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting.
By the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all
over the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower
prices. And their selection is amazing.
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Lee Gaucher | My opinions.
gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's.
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From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS)
Subject: Eric Bosco where are you?
Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
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Eric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!
Kevin
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From: Rob Earhart <earhart+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
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<1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
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In-Reply-To: <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes:
> Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu,
> Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some
> documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server-
> resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code
> mentioned above...
There's documentation on how to use the shared memory extension in the
X11R5 distribution.
Actually, I just finished writing a motif animation program...
(take-lots-of-image-data-and-display-it-pretty-darn-fast). When using
on-server pixmaps or shared memory, I had to insert a delay loop to keep
it from going too quickly :). Testing both methods side by side, they
were just about equal.
The advantage of SHM is that your X server doesn't grow to ridiculous
sizes; but pixmaps can work over a network and *are* removed if your
application dies (one tends to use ipcrm manually quite a bit when
debugging SHM apps).
Shared memory also has the problem that some operating systems (e.g.
Ultrix) seem to allow only a small number of segments (~6) to be
attached to a process at once; consequently, a redraw becomes
XShmAttach();XShmPutImage();XShmDetach(); on Dec systems. And Dec's 24
bit displays (like the ones I tend to use most often) don't seem to
support the extension (maybe someone compiled them wrong?), and using
pixmaps causes the X server to crash (failed mallocs), so one *has* to
use the local unix domain socket (which really isn't that bad; one
copies the info three times per redraw instead of one).
In short: allowing all three forms of display, within the program is a
Good Thing (minus SHM if running over a network), and let the user pick
whatever feels fastest.
(I just use an ximagehandler class and forget about it :)
)Rob
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From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer)
Subject: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation
Organization: New Mexico State University
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Distribution: usa
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending)
article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies,
(sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...)
and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper
at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
"A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that
a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner,
spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. Studies by the
Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence
of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member
will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."
I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific
refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to
email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of
the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as
well.
Thanx...
--Dan
--
DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu
Send me something even YOU can't read...
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From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine????
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Lines: 16
GB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
GB> The HMO would stop the over-ordering, but in HMOs, tests are
GB> under-ordered.
That's a somewhat overbroad statement. I'm sure there are HMOs in
which the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctor's
income. In most, however, including the one I work for, there is no
direct incentive to under-order. Profits of the group are shared
among all partners, but the group is so large that an individual's
generated costs have a miniscule effect. I don't believe that we
under-order. Then again, I'm not really sure what the right amount
of ordering is or should be. Relative to the average British
neurologist, I suspect that I rather drastically over-order.
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. SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
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From: folkert@capints.UUCP (Folkert Boonstra)
Subject: comp.windows.x
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
I would like to keep track of X development on:
- A/UX
- ULTRIX
- OpenWindows
Currently I cannot use the newsgroup comp.windows.x
and would like to use the Email based info.
Thanks,
Folkert Boonstra
Cap Gemini Innovation Dutch Research Centre
Burg.Elsenlaan 170 Phone: +31 70 3957 239
P.O. Box 3027 Fax: +31 70 3957 237
2280 GA Rijswijk (NL) e-mail: boonstra@capints.uucp
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Gaza and separation from Israel
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500357:000:3740
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 07:06:00 1993
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Gaza and separation from Israel
Gaza and the idea of separation
The Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is
presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when
the reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We
were able to see this clearly during the Gulf War. Because of the
Palestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid -
currently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous
statement: "You look for me !", i.e., I'am not making any more
efforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view,
Palestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew
or the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the
Palestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly
MERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from
residents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his
government's and his party's lack of action for human rights and
peace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether
they would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists'
perspective this is the best government because it is THEIR
government, regardless of what it does.
These members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the
future of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to
dictate to the Palestinians how to get there. An essential step
towards this future is their participation in Yitzhak Rabin's
government, and from their point of view the expulsions were a
marginal byproduct of this "government of peace", which need not
disturb the routine course of events. Likewise the "Rabinic"
policies in Gaza - the blowing up of houses with anti-tank rockets
and the significant increases in the number of persons injured in
the suppression of demonstrations - need not disturb it.
But the fact that reality is not as they would have it forces
itself upon them when a mob in Gaza falls upon a settler who has
lost his way, when a settler is stabbed by his Palestinian
workers, or when a Palestinian knifes people in the streets of Tel
Aviv. Then all hell breaks loose and the Israeli Left has nothing
to propose except separation: Let's cut ourselves off from the
Palestinians, let's build a fence so high that they won't be able
to harm us - this is the cry of the Israeli Left. Let us erect a
fence between us and the reality whith is the occupation.
Meron Benvenisti writes about this in Ha'aretz (4-3-93): "...The
liberal Left. which does not differentiate between physical
separation and 'the future of the territories', must come to
understand that the regime of magnetic cards, exclusion of Arab
workers, closure, and curfew are instruments of enforcement
designed for the suppression of a population in revolt, and that
their ideological support for separation only provides
'humanitarian' arguments for the legitimization of the <status
quo>.
Enforced separation is carried out only to meet the need of the
ruling community, but it is only the ruled population which bears
its burden. [.....].
"Whoover thinks that 'out of Gaza first' is a liberal,
humanitarian idea had best contemplate the question of whether
this position is also moral. It is very easy to shake off
responsibility for this concentration of human suffering, and to
thus also disregard responsibility for it's creation. It is very
easy to erect a fence between Jewish and Arab neighborhoods in
Jerusalem, when this fence has a gate - the keys to which are at
the disposal of one hand - which opens to allow the Jews to pursue
all their interests, but is barred to the Arabs...".
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>From The OTHER Front, Jerusalem, 10 March 1993
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From: todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Lines: 28
In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:
;From the article "What's New" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:
;
;........
;WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC
;
;1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED?
;What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that
;it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).
;Is NASA really supporting this junk?
;Are protesting groups being organized in the States?
;Really, really depressed.
;
; Enzo
I wouldn't worry about it. There's enough space debris up there that
a mile-long inflatable would probably deflate in some very short
period of time (less than a year) while cleaning up LEO somewhat.
Sort of a giant fly-paper in orbit.
Hmm, that could actually be useful.
As for advertising -- sure, why not? A NASA friend and I spent one
drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need
to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization
on the face of the Moon. Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning.
<todd>
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From: Geoffrey_Hansen@mindlink.bc.ca (Geoffrey Hansen)
Subject: Re: VESA on the Speedstar 24
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 12
Using the VMODE command, all you need to do is type VMODE VESA at the dos
prompt. VMODE is included with the Speedstar 24. I have used the VESA mode
for autodesk animator pro.
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| geoffrey_hansen@mindlink.bc.ca |
|=================================================>
"Inumerable confusions and a feeling of despair invariably emerge
in periods of great technological and cultural transition."
Marshall McLuhan
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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Lines: 17
Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil
maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:
>
> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er...
Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the
ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your
head, well...
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
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From: martinh@cac.washington.EDU (Martin Hunt)
Subject: Announcing tcpview: A Motif-based TCP/IP protocol analyzer
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Lines: 89
Keywords: protocol analyzer TCP/IP
To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Tcpview is the result of several problems we had at UW. We have several
Network General Sniffers which are heavily used to help debug problems on
several hundred subnets. These are good tools, but they are 1) heavy,
2) hard to find when you need one, 3) limited in their software expandibility,
4) difficult to use to upload data for analysis, 5) cannot be remotely
operated, and 6) cannot resolve names with DNS, requiring much manual
manipulation of the name table. We also sometimes use tcpdump, but we found
it 1) too difficult for most people, 2) did not have enough information for
many protocols, 3) could not be used interactively, 4) could not handle
TCP streams and 5) could not read Sniffer files. However, tcpdump did do
a reasonable job of decoding a large number of protocols, and could be easily
modified. Tcpview is an attempt to resolve these problems
by adding a Motif interface to tcpdump and expanding its features.
Tcpview has been tested on a DECstation 5000 and Sun 4 under Ultrix 4.2 and
SunOS 4.1 respectively. It should work on the same systems as tcpdump.
It compiles with cc and gcc on the DEC and Sun. To build tcpview you will
need Motif 1.1 or better.
The following files are available for anonymous ftp from
ftp.cac.washington.edu in /pub/networking
tcpview-1.0.tar.Z tcpview and tcpdump source code
tcpview-1.0.sun.tar.Z Sun4 binaries
tcpview-1.0.dec.tar.Z DEC Mips Ultrix 4.2 binaries
What tcpview adds to tcpdump:
- easier interface
- enhanced protocol decoding
- hex display of frame
- capture based on time, number of frames, or user interrupt
- can show ethernet addresses with manufacturer's name
- ethernet address host table
- can easily follow a stream, highlighting out-of-order frames
- can send TCP data to an external file or filter for additional
processing.
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CHANGES TO TCPDUMP 2.2.1
New features:
Now reads and writes Network General Sniffer files. When used with '-r', the
file type will be automatically detected.
Can now read in (and use) an SNMP MIB file.
The hex format has been changed.
New time options have been added.
Options were added to allow viewing and processing of the data in TCP packets.
Bugs were fixed in the relative TCP sequence numbers. (-S flag)
New flags:
-R read Sniffer file. Not usually needed, except for reading from stdin
-ttt prints delta times
-tttt prints times relative to the first frame
-W write a Sniffer save file (use with -w)
-x print frame (minus link-level header) in hexdump format.
Sample output:
16:36:23.349851 jeff.cac.washington.edu.1285 > nic.funet.fi.ftp: S 0:0(0) win 16384
0000 45 00 00 28 8a 98 00 00 3c 06 7c 9c 80 5f 70 02 | E..(....<.|.._p.
0010 80 d6 06 64 05 05 00 15 5b 19 4a 00 00 00 00 00 | ...d....[.J.....
0020 50 02 40 00 4e 13 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | P.@.N.........
-X print TCP data in hexdump format (used with -Z)
-z write TCP data to stdout (use with -t to eliminate timestamp)
-Z write frames and TCP data to stdout
Martin M. Hunt
martinh@cac.washington.edu
Networks & Distributed Computing
University of Washington
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Martin Hunt martinh@cac.washington.edu
Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington
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From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: Beckman Software Engineering
Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com
Distribution: na,world
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5
Lines: 47
In article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless
> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent
> escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is
> the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about
> those two names)
The problem with "Let's assume" reasoning is that, taken to the extreme
(and you're close), you arrive at "Let's assume this is perfectly OK."
The assumptions you make are big ones. If the system is really secure, then
why does the government have to keep the algorithm secret? There are plenty
of encryption algorithms that don't depend upon nondisclosure to be secure,
so why in the world use one that does? There are reasons, of course, but
I certainly can't think of any honest ones.
Next, you assume we can "trust" the escrow houses. But the last time I checked,
EVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT has experienced unauthorized disclosure,
corruption, and even fabrication, of supposedly secure data. The govt is
saying "Yeah, but NOW we're serious, so you can trust us." Bullcrypt.
And finally, although you didn't state it explicitly, you implicitly assume
that the warrant mechanism in this country is safe and reasonable. The case
in Ventura County of a man shot and killed by officers serving a deliberately
fraudulant warrant tells me that the govt has a long ways to go on this
score.
Remember that all this is to catch the drug dealers, right? As others
have pointed out, the current proposal will, if deployed, render truly secure
encryption much more expensive and inconvenient than Uncle Sam's brand.
Who will be able to afford, and be sufficiently motivated, to purchase this
expensive, inconvenient higher protection? Somebody with lots of extra
cash...
The following is more true than ever:
"When [strong] encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have [strong]
encryption."
________________________________________________________________________
| Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com |
| Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 |
| Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 |
|______________________________|_______________________________________|
"You can observe a lot just by watching." -Yogi Bera
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From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Keywords: Nata thing !!
Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu
Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton
Organization: Kent State University CS
Lines: 33
In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:
>
> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.
>
> You sick bastard.
> --
>
> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
>
Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said
that it was right to shoot "THOSE kind" of babies. However it was the Branch
Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their "savior"
(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that
what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their
lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's
who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and
for many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any
child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am.
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| Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A |
| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) |
| Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | |
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| Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy |
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From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)
Subject: Re: Is OT Valid????
Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 31
Peir-Yuan Yeh asks:
>I wonder if the OT is not exactly like Jewish history. Are they the
same >or part of them are the same? How about Torah? Are the first five
books >of OT as the same as Torah?????
Yes, yes, and yes. Jewish history as recorded in the Old Testament and
as shown by archaeology are the same. Kings, revivals, Temples, and all.
The Torah, as far as I know, is the five books of Moses. Then come the
Prophets (all the Prophets, plus Joshua, Judges, 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings)
and the Writings (Psalms, Proverbs, Lamentations, Ruth, Esther, Ezra,
Nehemiah, Ecclesiates, Song of Songs, 1&2 Chronicles, Job).
And the veracity of Isaiah, which you quoted to your Moslem friend is
quite well known. A complete manuscript exists that dates back to past
200 BC, and is kept in a Museum in Israel. It was found among the Dead
Sea Scrolls, which greatly enhanced our knowledge of the veracity of the
Old Testament, as they date back to around the time of Christ, whereas
before, the oldest complete manuscript in Hebrew was from around 900 AD.
Your Moslem friend is sorely mistaken, but understandably so. If Jesus
was crucified, and atoned for our sins, he must have been God, for only
the death of God could atone for the sins of all humanity. And as
Isaiah predicts, the messiah will be called "the mighty God." And if he
was God, then he must have rose, for as St. Paul wrote, it was not
possible that death could hold him. And if Jesus rose from the dead,
your Moslem friend would have little reason to be a Moslem. Which is
why he denies the authenticity of the Old Testament.
Andy Byler
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From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws
Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Lines: 59
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com
>>(Steve Hendricks) writes:
>>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>>>...
>>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and
>>>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of
>>>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again?
>>>
>>>() To deter an epidemic of "gay bashing" that has not been deterred by
>>> assault laws.
>>
>>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a
>>straight?
>And who's advocating that? Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations
>of the acts. Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than
>heat-of-passion homicide.
But you still get into trouble. For example - how often are crimes
of violence not "hate crimes"? The question is then who are you
hating? If its another gang member, then its better than if
the person you hate is of a differnt color?
Also, is it realistic to declare that crimes of hate are worse
than crimes of gross negligence? (Like random drive by shootings
where they can't be hate crimes because the shooter doesn't know
who he is going to hit - he just shoots into the crowd).
>>>() No, it is not "double jeopardy." A single act may lead to multiple
>>> charges and multiple crimes.
>>
>>I think what you meant to say here was, "With the current mutation of the US
>>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple
>>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade." A single
>>act should never merit more than on charge.
>So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with
>more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property
>damage? After all, the bomb was a single act.
First, I heard today that there is a good chance that the U.S. instead
of New York is going after the bombers. This means no capital punishment.
Secondly, double jepardy does help keep the government from going after
you for first one murder, then the next, etc. A "sovereign" has essentially
one chance with a single fact pattern (such as the World Trade Center bombing).
That is why the bombers will in all probability be tried for all the
deaths, as well as the property damages, as well as conspiracy, at once.
Of course, as we discovered in the Rodney King case, there are two
"sovereigns", neither of which can try you twice for the same crime.
Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org
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From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams)
Subject: HELP!! My Macintosh "luggable" has lines on its screen!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: comp
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Okay, I don't use it very much, but I would like for it to keep working
correctly, at least as long as Apple continues to make System software
that will run on it, if slowly :-)
Here is the problem: When the screen is tilted too far back, vertical
lines appear on the screen. They are every 10 pixels or so, and seem
to be affected somewhat by opening windows and pulling down menus.
It looks to a semi-technical person like there is a loose connection
between the screen and the rest of the computer.
I am open to suggestions that do not involve buying a new computer,
or taking this one to the shop. I would also like to not have
to buy one of Larry Pina's books. I like Larry, but I'm not sure
I feel strongly enough about the computer to buy a service manual
for it.
On a related note: what does the monitor connector connect to?
Erik
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Latest on Branch Davidians
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
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Most of you will have probably seen the news by the time you read this,
but the Branch Davidian compound is no more. This morning about 6:00,
the feds punched holes in the compound walls by using a tank. They
then started using non-lethal tear gas. Shortly after noon, 2 cult
members were seen setting fire to the compound. So far, about 20-30
people have been seen outside the compound. The fate of the other 60 or
70 people is unknown, neither is the fate of the 17 children that were
inside. The compound did burn to the ground.
Koresh, who at times has claimed to be the Messiah, but then backed off
and only claimed to be a prophet, had promised several times to come
out peacefully if his demands were met. First, he demanded that his
message be broadcast on the radio, which it was, but he didn't come out.
He claimed to be waiting for a message from God. Finally, he said that
God told him that he needed to decipher the mystery of the 7 seals in
Revelation, and when he was finished, he'd come out. He finished the
first one, but didn't do any more work that anyone knows of since then.
The federal agents did warn him that if they didn't come out, they
would be subjected to tear gas.
I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere
man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I
think it underscores the importance of putting you faith only in
things that are eternal and knowing for yourself what the Scriptures
say and what they mean, instead of relying on others to do it for you,
even if those others are learned and mean well.
Paul Conditt
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From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: University of Central Florida
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I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here.
Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-)
What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting
the daytime and nightime skies?
Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near
sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night
would be minimal.
If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't
like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine
environment of Jupiter's moons :-)
---
Thomas Clarke
Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
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From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers
Organization: CWRU School of Medicine
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In article <mcbride.126@ohsu.edu> mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) writes:
>In article <ashok.653.0@biochemistry.cwru.edu> ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu
>(Ashok Aiyar) writes:
>>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent
>>product, with several features beyond the DOS version.
>>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to
>>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim.
>What's it gonna cost?
Again, I do not speak for Peter Tattam, but it is my understanding that it
will shareware status as Trumpet 1.05 for DOS is, and I imagine that the
registration fees will be similar. I also believe that a new version of
Trumpet for DOS will be released sometime in the near future.
Ashok
--
Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu
Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300
CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Statement to everyone on t.p.g
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Ok, here goes. Yes folks, I realize I have stuck my foot in my mouth
quite a few times already so please let me make some clarifications. My
inaccurate information in my posts was due to lack of knowledge. Thanks
to you kind (and some not so kind) people I am learning. Some people
have given me several good points to ponder and I see how I was wrong.
In no way was this inaccurate information supposed to be trying to
further the anti-gun cause. I have said several times before (but
nobody seemed to be listening) that I am pro-gun and anti-gun-control.
As far as the race can of worms that I have opened up I have only one
thing to say - I am in no way prejudiced. Some of the things I have
stated were said to demonstrate that I am not prejudiced and/or a racist
but I have been accused of being too aware of race and prejudiced. I will not
say anymore about that subject because no matter what I say it will be the
wrong thing.
Boy, what a start to being on a new group. Oh well, things have been
worse in my life.
I hope this clears things up but I guess that will remain to be seen.
By for now,
Jason
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From: gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim)
Subject: Syquest 150 ???
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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I remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest. Has anyone else
heard anything about this? I'd be interested in the cost per megabyte and the
approximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150.
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From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)
Subject: Re: Date is stuck
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:
>Anybody seen the date get stuck?
>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine
>is left running all the time.
>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate
>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves
>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.
>Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether
>the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken?
>--
>Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )
>voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA 93035
>Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.
I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so
I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at
others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should
be.
If you find out I'd like to know also. Oh, and I also leave my system running
all the time.
--
Barry Sardis | Home: (408) 448-1589
1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404
San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404
Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM
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From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Change of name ??
Nntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
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In article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no>, Thomas Parsli
<thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or
> talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY
Well, may I point out that paranoia is an IRRATIONAL fear, without basis
in reality. As we've seen here in the US, there is nothing irrational
about it. Perhaps you folks in Finland have been down on your knees
being good little boys and girls so that the former Soviet Union didn't
come across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that
you just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny.
>
> 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..
>
> 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup
If you don't like us talking about political issues involving attacks
on people for owning guns, don't read talk.politics.guns.
>
> We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil
> goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to
> let's say 1000 people ????
>
Nobody's trying to save YOU from anything, so butt out. I couldn't
care less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks
about this. Of course, you do have a right to an opinion... but I've
always figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids. Every asshole's
got them, I just don't care about yours.
**************************************************************************
* I remember what I was doing * Bad boy, whatcha gonna do *
* when I heard that JFK had been shot. * Whatcha gonna do *
* Will you remember the Battle of Waco? * when they come for you... *
***************************************************************************
Ken Whitehead (kdw@odin.icd.ab.com)
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: It is sickening to think that the Armenians are capable of such...
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Apr9.140123.12253@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes:
> It's curious that Serdar spend his time attacking Greeks and
>Armenians. Who just happen to be historical opponents of Turkey. The
Because, the x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide
of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the
fruits of that genocide. And they are doing 'it' again. Are you so
blind?
>problem is, everybody - Arab, Greek, Bulgar, Serb, Russian, Tartar,
>Circassian, Persian, Kurd - is, or has been an opponent. Who has been
Kurds 'R' us; Armenians 'R' not.
>an ally? This historic circumstance seems to have taken a certain
>toll on Serdar: perhaps he should be posting to alt.raving.nationalist
>rather than soc.history?
Excuse me?
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
Ohanus Appressian
"Men Are Like That"
p. 202.
A genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people in an
attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime in history.
It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and the Armenian
dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed in the worst
ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that the human race is capable
of such actions, but there is no denying the fact that the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslims happened.
People of Turkiye deeply sympathize with those whose relatives were
killed in the Turkish genocide. I understand their anger that there
are those who still deny that the Turkish genocide indeed took place,
despite the fact that the genocide of 2.5 million Turks has been
well documented over the past six decades. We cannot reverse
the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the
memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as
to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people
because of their religion or their race.
Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.
"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in
the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly
defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."
> Lets get somethings straight.
Why not?
>1. Armenians are no angels, but they were subject to Turkish genocide.
And the Germans were subject to Jewish Genocide? Are you for real?
Tell me 'Halsall', were you high on "ASALA/SDPA/ARF" forgeries and
fabrications when you wrote that? Where is your non-existent list
of scholars. Here is mine: During the First World War and the ensuing
years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated
and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy
of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering
2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year
homeland.
The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
others.
J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.
Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.
Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.
Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.
Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.
Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.
Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.
Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.
Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.
John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.
John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.
Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.
Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.
Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.
Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.
Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.
Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.
Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.
Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).
Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.
Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.
James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.
.......so the list goes on and on and on.....
Now wait, there is more.
Mark Alan Epstein, 'The Ottoman Jewish Communities and their Role
in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries,' Klaus Schwarz Werlag,
Freiburg (1980).
page 19:
<<During the fifteenth century, when the Ottomans were struggling to
reestablish themselves in the Balkans, there was considerable turmoil
among the Jewish communities in Central and Western Europe. Even if
the difficulties of the darker centuries immediately preceding the
fourteenth are minimized, it is easy to understand the attraction which
Ottoman life, particularly when compared to life in Europe, held for the
Jews. There is no way to tell how many Jews left Christendom for the
realm of the rising Muslim Ottomans, but with each account of persecution
in or expulsion from Christian countries it is recorded that some Jews
fled to Ottoman territory. The regularity of these reports suggests that
the Ottomans were considered reasonably tolerant protectors and that
there was a regular trickle of Jewish families moving southward and
eastward from Western and Central Europe. (...) It is evident that the
effects of plague, late crusades, and the general intolerance and
persecution of Jews in Christian Europe resulted in the redirection
of the whole focus of Jewish life which, for more than two centuries,
was to be oriented toward Muslim East.>>
page 21:
<<In the second quarter of the fifteenth century the foremost official
in the Edirne Jewish community was Rabbi Yitzhak Sarfati the Ashkenazi
Chief Rabbi of the city. He was the most important rabbi in the city and
the author of an important letter which tells us something of the situation
of the Edirne Jewry in the fifteenth century. Sarfati himself was from
Christian Europe and supposedly wrote this letter at the behest of two
recent arrivals from there, who, upon seeing the prosperity and freedom
of the Ottoman Jews, prevailed upon him to write their European
coreligionists apprising them of the situation and urging them to migrate.
This remarkable letter advised its recipients not only of the pleasant
conditions in the Ottoman domains, but described as well the ease of
travel to Palestine and the holy places, an attraction to those who
would make a pilgrimage or choose to be buried there.>> (*)
page 41:
<<...the impression gained from the Hebrew sources is that the Jews were
firmly aware of the community of interests which existed between them
and the Ottomans, especially in comparison to relations with the Christians
of Europe.
Confirmation of the commonality of interests between Muslims and Jews is
also indicated by the fact that European Christians perceived the Jews
as allies of Islam and were well aware of Muslim-Jewish cooperation.
Certainly the activity of important Jewish financiers and politicians
representing the Ottoman government abroad did not pass unnoticed. European
sources are the basis for much of our knowledge of their careers. In addition
it appears that Christian pirates plundered ''Turks and Jews,'' their
sworn enemies, and that Europeans considered the Jews to be agents who
regularly reported to the Ottomans.
There are well-known examples of overt Jewish support for the Ottomans
in the struggle against European powers. The two best known instances
of Jewish support for the campaigning Ottomans are the frequently cited
instances of the Jewish contributions to the conquests of Buda, in the
early sixteenth century, and of Rhodes. We also have reports of sympathy
for the Ottomans during the siege of Chios. An unpublished Ottoman
document shows dramatically the mutual interests which existed in some
Greek towns...>>
page 43:
<<It is clear that throughout the sixteenth century it was a generally
accepted fact that the interests of Jews and Muslims coincided frequently,
and all parties involved, Jews, Muslims, and Christians, were aware of
the situation.>>
page 46:
<<...it seems that the relations between Greeks and Jews were not
particularly cordial. The two groups had little in common, few common
interests, and perceived no common philosophical or religious tradition
which could serve as the basis for cooperation, rather than enmity. If
there was any identifiable bond of good will which existed between
religious communities in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, it was
that between Muslims and Jews, neither of whom had much in common with
the Orthodox.>>
page 46:
<<The general impression of Muslim-Jewish relations in the Ottoman context
during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries is one of community of
interests. From the earliest times the Ottomans seem to have welcomed
Jews to their territory and to have found in the communities already
existing in places which they conquered a cooperative element. The Jewish
response to this tolerance was a steady flow of Jews from Christian
countries to Ottoman domains.>>
page 151:
<<From the period before 1453 we have only a few indications that the
Ottoman-Jewish relationship was well on the course of amity which would
characterize it for years afterward, but the liberality of the Ottomans,
in contrast to the intolerance of the Byzantines, and the protection and
the security which the Ottomans offered, in comparison to conditions
elsewhere, leave little doupt that even then both the Ottomans and the
Jews recognized their mutual interests...>>
page 161:
<<It is impossible to say how fundamental the Jews were in the success
of the Ottomans in rebuilding Istanbul or in Ottoman mercantile success
in the sixteenth century. That they played an important role in both
cannot be doupted. It is also unclear whether they were important enough
to say that the Ottomans would not have experienced their great success
without the Jews and that no other group could have been found to serve
the Ottomans as well as did the Jews. It is, however, unmistakably clear
that there are few parallels in world history to this remarkable
partnership between Jews and the non-Jewish society in which they lived.
We must conclude that the Ottomans could probably not achieved their
success without a group performing certain tasks for them as well as the
Jews did. Certainly for the Jews of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries
the Ottoman Empire was a most remarkable and salubrious home.>>
(*) A version of Rabbi Sarfati's [Tzarfati] letter is given by Prof.Shaw:
page 32:
<<Your cries and sobs reached us. We have been told of all the troubles
and persecutions which you have to suffer in the German lands....I hear
the lamentation of my brethren...The barbarous and cruel nation ruthlessly
oppresses the faithful children of the chosen people...The priests and
prelates of Rome have risen. They wish to root out the memory of Jacob
and erase the name of Israel. They always devise new persecutions. They
wish to bring you to the stake...Listen my brethren, to the counsel I will
give you. I too was born in Germany and studied Torah with the German
rabbis. I was driven out of my native country and came to the Turkish land,
which is blessed by God and filled with all good things. Here I found rest
and happiness; Turkey can also become for you the land of peace...If you
who live in Germany knew even a tenth of what God has blessed us with
in this land, you would not consider any difficulties; you would set out
to come to us...Here in the land of the Turks we have nothing to complain
of. We possess great fortunes; much gold and silver in our hands. We are
not oppressed with heavy taxes, and our commerce is free and unhindered.
Rich are the fruits of the earth. Everything is cheap, and every one of us
lives in peace and freedom. Here the Jew is not compelled to wear a yellow
hat as a badge of shame, as is the case in Germany, where even wealth and
great fortune are a curse for a Jew because he therewith arouses jealousy
among the Christians and they devise all kinds of slander against him
to rob him of his gold. Arise my brethren, gird up your loins, collect
your forces, and come to us. Here you will be free of your enemies, here
you will find rest...>>[13]
[13] Israel Zinberg, A History Of Jewish Literature. vol.V. The Jewish
Center of Culture in the Ottoman Empire (Hebrew Union College Press,
Ktav Publishers, New York, 1974).
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)
Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
>
>It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish
>(by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself,
>is "ston-KEV-itch". all the sportscasters get it wrong)
>
Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive.
--
Mark Singer
mss@netcom.com
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From: ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen)
Subject: Re: ABC coverage
Distribution: usa
Lines: 22
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Antonio Pera writes:
: > I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance
: >was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard
: >Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave
: >Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me.
:
: I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the
: coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage
: of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting
: back to the puck.
Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just
Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you
who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the
production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even
reaped any $ made...
Enjoy,
Caleb
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From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: EIT
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In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
># You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define
>#what "objective values" are.
>
>Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people
>of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that
>sound like a good deal?
Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much
we wanted the $1, wouldn't it?
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
Would you buy used code from this man?
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Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services
From: Mark Woodruff <CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Subject: Many people on one machine
Lines: 9
I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate
environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting
things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally,
I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for
less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around
depending on who wants to use the machine.
mark
Alas, Setup/n doesn't work if you don't have a network.
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From: pittam@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au
Subject: WordBasic SDK
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation
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Reply-To: pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au
Request for Information
I have been reading about an organisation called "WinWord Developer's Relations
Group". I believe they have produced publications called WinWord Software
Development Kit (or WordBasic SDK) and 'The Proceedings of the Windows
Developers' Tools Conference, WordBasic' sessions assembled by Steve Wexler.
Would you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this
organisation or these publications.
Thank you
--
Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator
DSTO Corporate Information Systems Unit (Melbourne)
506 Lorimer Street, Fishermens Bend, VIC 3207 Australia
Phone (03) 647 7881 Fax (03) 646 6061 email pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au
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From: brain@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (harish.s.mangrulkar)
Subject: Pocono Vacation House Rental
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Royals
Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Lines: 20
In <randall.734911319@moose> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time.
>When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front
>from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and
>all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely
>doomed.
>Other than that, I guess they're OK.
Oh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually
finish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in
1970. Never mind that Gubizca is 0-2 with a 16.50 ERA, Gardner at 7.50,
our main recent acquisitions (Lind, McReynolds, Jose) are averaging .210,
David Cone is 0-2 (about how he was doing in KC before joining the Mets
several years ago), our hitting sucks, and our pitching has collapsed,
and we've won one game at home; they've won more games in their first ten
games than last year, and Brian McRae is actually batting over the
Mendoza line!
rich.
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"
Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 21
In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:
>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do
>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it
>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?
This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical
coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future
national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured
must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,
you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills.
In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them,
you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do
so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within
24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need
your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly
wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry
the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
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From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.
Lines: 10
In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to
check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price.
The Toyota dealer told me it's a "cult car".
If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there
must be something really extraordinary about it.
So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me.
--
Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020
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From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata)
Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???
Reply-To: <news@opl.com>
Organization: HFSI
Lines: 40
In article <Apr.21.03.26.15.1993.1349@geneva.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on
>the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to
>the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at
>least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died
>and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up
>with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established.
>Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in
>Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts.
Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was
valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as
truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've
mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally
that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in
the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the
absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken,
then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect.
>randy
--
John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com
HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata
7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810
McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729
[I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than
this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't
be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs.
Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered
for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether
those who witnessed it did.
I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there
can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism.
--clh]
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From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)
Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 differences
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 43
jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:
>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes:
>>> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up
>>>some floating point calculations.
>>>--
>>>Robert D. Klapper
>>>Washington University in St. Louis
>>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu
>>>Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug.
>>Does someone have any definite information on this. This is the
>>first I've heard of it. How does the CPU get fixed by a hardware
>>upgrade? This doesn't make much sense to me.
>Let's see now... The differences between the 950 and 900 are
>basically:
> 1. Runs at 33MHz, not 25MHz
> 2. Has 25MHz I/O bus, not 16MHz
> 3. Upgraded Graphics controller
> 4. #3 results in Q950 requiring 80ns VRAM, not 100ns
> 5. ROM fixes:
> a. rounding errors in floating point calculations
> at 15th digit
So patch the ROMs with the latest OS version. I don't see
how this is a problem.
> b. Ethernet problems with more than 16 buffers
>So, no doubt, the person was refering to 5a, hardly "screwing
>up" though :)
>--
> Jim Jagielski | "And he's gonna stiff me. So I say,
> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something,
> NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"
> Greenbelt, MD 20771 |
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From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu
Organization: UNLV
In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes:
>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)
>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP
>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT
>
>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of
>late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every
>day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I
Have you tried setting FILES in your config.sys file to a fairly high
number? (I've got mine set to 100; I've seen numbers from 40 to 100
recommended). Also check your STACKS statement, STACKS=9,256 is a good
starting point. Try increasing it if it's already set there (such as
to STACKS=12,256, etc.). Both STACKS and FILES have been identified as
_one_ cause of frequent Win3.1 crashes.
Lamont Downs
downs@nevada.edu
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From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira)
Subject: Moving Sale
Distribution: ba
Organization: 3Com Corporation
Lines: 10
Nntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com
Moving Sale: Must sell before May 5:
Futon: high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250
Computer Desk: roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100
Color TV: 13", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50 ( ***SOLD)
Coffee Tables/Dresser: $40 or B.O.
Lamps: $10
Make an offer!!
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From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/....
Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com
In article <1qanj0$22d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>How many are aware that the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a verbatim translation
>of a Nazi gun control law passed shortly before the Holocaust?
>
>For those of you who think I'm being paranoid in asking these questions,
>pray that you are right. Unchecked democracies usually end in
>dictatorship. Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler rose to power.
>Can we be absolutely certain nothing like that could happen today?
I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in
our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward
one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished
values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the
clues. The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans
to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another. The fact
the words like community of nations, global village and international
business are in vogue are others. International corporations are
destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing
through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist.
Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have
already lost a great deal of sovergnty.
The bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World
Government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven
that would be a disaster.
Beware the LIBERAL and the conservative and the moderate. Think for yourself
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From: firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S)
Subject: Re: VIPER
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Lines: 10
In article <C5JnHA.8IB@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes...
>
>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.
>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,
>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.
>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....
>
You probably should told you dad to buy that car, than your dream might
come true.
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Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution
From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota)
Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.
Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie
Lines: 26
In article <1pik3i$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <C4u51L.8Bv@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>|>
>|>
>|> Why do you spend so much time posting here if your atheism is so
>|> incidental, if the question of God is trivial? Fess up, it matters to
>|> you a great deal.
>
>Ask yourself two questions.
>
> 1. How important is Mithras in your life today?
>
> 2. How important would Mithras become if there was a
> well funded group of fanatics trying to get the
> schools system to teach your children that Mithras
> was the one true God?
>
>jon.
Right on, Jon! Who cares who or whose, as long as it works for the individual.
But don't try to impose those beliefs on us or our children. I would add the
well-funded group tries also to purge science, to deny children access to great
wonders and skills. And how about the kids born to creationists? What a
burden with which to begin adult life. It must be a cruel awakening for those
who finally see the light, provided it is possible to escape from the depths of
this type of ignorance.
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From: claice@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Farmer Ted)
Subject: Re: Space Debris
Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 14
> There is this buy at NASA Langley...
YES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it.
Rich
"The Earth is a cradle of the mind. But, we cannot live forever in a cradle"
K.E. Tsiolkovski
Father of Russian Astronautics
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From: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel)
Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Lines: 86
timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:
> Atheism denies the existence of God. This is logically bankrupt --
>where is the proof of this nonexistence? It's a joke.
This is one of my favorite fallacious points against atheism, i.e. the
belief that you can't deny anything that you can't prove doesn't exist.
This is easily nailed by showing that an infinite number of beings are
conceivable but not observed to exist, does this mean that we would have
to believe in all of them? According to the above poster, we must believe
in objects or beings that haven't been proved not to exist so why stop at
God? (there could be a huge number of beings identical to Ronald Reagan
except for trivial differences, say one is missing a finger, one has blond
hair,... and they all live on other planets so we can't see them) The
reason no one but atheists bring this up is that none of these christians
have a vested interest in these unknown beings with the exception of God.
>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock the idea of
>a God? Here again is a classic atheist fallacy.
How did they shoot themselves in the foot?
> Radical Muslims, the Crusades, the Inquisition are common examples that
>atheists like to bring up as marks against religion. How weak! Only fools can
>take that drivel seriously. How about the grand-daddy of all human atrocities,
>the Stalinist movement?
> Twenty eight MILLION people _killed_ under this leadership, which
>proudly featured atheism.
There is a big difference here, Stalin didn't say that he stood for a
particular moral position (i.e. against murder and terrorism, etc.) and
then did the opposite (like the religious movements), he was at least
an honest killer. (This is NOT a support of Stalin but an attack on this
viewpoint). Saying that atheism supports murder and violence just because
one man was a tyrant and an atheist is just bad logic, look at all the
russians that helped Stalin that weren't atheists - don't they contradict
your point? Besides your point assumes that his atheism was relevant
to his murdering people, this is just the common assumption that atheists
can't value life as much as theists (which you didn't support).
> Agnostics are not as funny because they are more reasonable. Yet
>they do in some sense seem funny because they believe that the existence of God
>is unknowable. This in itself is every bit the assumption that atheism is,
>though it's less arrogant and pompous.
Ah, and here's another point you didn't get out of the FAQ. An atheist
doesn't have to hold the positive view that god doesn't exist, he/she may
just have the non-existence of the positive belief. Here's the example:
Strong atheism - "I believe god does not exist" a positive belief
Weak atheism - "I don't believe in a god" a negative belief
these are NOT the same, some one that has never thought of the idea of
god in their whole life is technically an atheist, but not the kind that
you are calling unreasonable. Or let's look at it this way (in sets)
suppose that a given person has a huge set of ideas that I will represent
as capital letters and these people then either believe that these ideas
exist as real objects or not. So if S = santa, then E(S)= no is the person
not believing in santa but still having the idea of santa. But notice that
even E(S) = no is itself another idea! This means you have lots of cases:
christian : (A,E(A)=yes,B,E(B)=no, . . . G,E(G)=yes......) where G = god
atheist (strong) : (A,E(A). . . . .G,E(G)=no)
atheist (weak) : (A,.....E) i.e. no G at all in the set
agnostic : (A,.......G, E(G) = indeterminate, E', ....)
> Why are people so afraid to say "undecided"? It must just be another
>feature of human nature -- "undecided" is not a sexy, trendy, or glamorous
>word. It does not inspire much hate or conflict. It's not blasphemous.
>It's not political. In fact it is too often taken to mean unsophisticated.
Nietzsche once said that a man would rather will nonexistence than not
will at all but the darwinist way to put this is that humanity always
prefers no or yes to a maybe because indecision is not a useful survival
trait, evolution has drilled it in us to take positions, even false ones.
>Bake Timmons, III
M.S.
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 30
In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes:
>Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a
>multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't
>seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person,
>and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an
>implentation of simultaneuos use though.
Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a
fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense
of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so
one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have
to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how
things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are
taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups.
Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and
run character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know
about X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...)..
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala
Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach
Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem
Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 16
In article <C5L9qB.4y5@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at
>expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.
>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...
His _heart_? This jerk doesn't have a heart, and it beats me why you're
apologizing for him. In my book, behavior like this is unprofessional,
inexcusable, and beyond the pale. If he's overworked, it's because he's too
busy raking in the bucks. More likely, he just likes to push women around.
I'd fire the s.o.b., and get myself another doctor.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. |
Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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To: gnu-gdb-bug@gatech.edu
Distribution: world
From: deepak@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Deepak Mulchandani)
Subject: Help in developing a X-Windows interface for GDB
Organization: Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector
Lines: 39
Hi,
I am trying to write an X-windows based interface that runs on top of GDB. Could
anyone help me in understanding the way we are supposed to "fork" GDB off as a
subprocess ?? I currently use pipes but when I try and debug this program, the
following happens :
PROGRAM :
main()
{
int x;
printf("enter x : ");
scanf("%d", &x);
printf("x = .%d.\n", x );
}
OUTPUT :
The program hangs without returning the output of the printf statement. When I type
in a value (like 5), then all the printf's output comes out at one time.
Is there any other way, besides using PIPES to do this i.e., like ioctl or something else ??
Thanks,
Deepak
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deepak Mulchandani
Advanced Products Research and Development Laboratory
Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector
Austin, TX
(512) 928-7642 deepak@inxs.sps.mot.com
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From: foster@mtechca.maintech.com
Subject: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.
Lines: 64
In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Dennis Kriz) writes:
[ a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the Bible and from
many Catholic theologians and Papal Bulls ]
[ which, although introduced with a smiley, was not as funny as it
might have been (notable exception: subject headers such as "ONE'S
DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION." ]
[ and indeed, the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the
religious text than for any "literary/moral analysis" ]
I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior
from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-
The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought
that Catholics behaved better than this.
Friend Dennis, I urge you to follow the example of your fellow
Catholics, of who I count many dozens as my friends, and practice
your faith through good example and decent living and respect
for the common humanity of others. Please do not stoop to the
level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think
that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,
insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.
The imagery in the Song of Solomon is a little bit dated (get it?
Middle East - date palms - oh, never mind) but apparently acceptable,
on a steaminess level, to be accepted as part of the canon. From
this fact I derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with
Catholic doctrine.
Is there such a thing as Catholic erotica? Not necessarily a love
story between people of that faith, but a love story that is not
exploitative, does not seek redemption through penis size, pays
proper respect to the dignity of each partner, and is still erotic
enough to have a place on a.s.s.
I would submit that the _Darknites_ series of stories qualify, also
most of the _Journal Entries_, and _Rings I and II_.
I would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and
increase the erotica. I actually agree with you that nearly all of
the "I've got an enormous dick, and I shot my wad all over her face"
stories are crap. I count them as noise, which makes my take on the
signal-to-noise ration much lower than many other people's.
Since you are one of the few posters here who can actually write
decent prose, could you write a few stories for us instead of
overwhelming us with commentary?
> Anyway, this is a big subject. PLEASE add your comments,
> additions and observations.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> dennis
> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
>
--
Thank you.
Jeff
foster@mtechca.maintech.com
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