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From: sml@rpsyc.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Nottingham University
Lines: 60
In article <May.2.09.51.49.1993.11841@geneva.rutgers.edu>, you wrote:
> The genius of science is that it discovered that enormous progress
> in knowledge could be made by isolating the study of physical
> interactions for the more general areas of study and proceeding
> not by logical argument but by experiment. The scientific method
> is hypothesize, attempt to disprove the hypothesis, if you fail,
> publish, if others fail to disprove your hypothesis, accept it
> as a working theory and move on. This method is suitable only
> for the study of objects without will, objects which do not
> take an interest in the experiment.
Science does not progress via experimentation but by philosophising. One
aim of experiments is to investigate the validity of the hyptheses
resulting from the models produced by this thinking process.
> The arrogance of science is the assumption many advocates of
> science make that the scientific method is the only method of
> serious study, the only one leading to knowledge rather than
> belief.
Science has one advantage of all other approaches to explaining the world.
It is objective.
> Its further arrogance, is the assumption which arises
> that, since science is the only valid method of thought, everything
> which exists must be the sort of thing which the scientific
> method can study, and that if the scientific method cannot
> study it it either does not exist or cannot in any way be known.
Anything which affects the physical world can be studied. For example,
since we are part of the physical world, anything (including spirits) which
affects our behaviour can be observed. Science does not make any claims
about the existence or non-existence of objects which do not affect the
physical world.
> Since these asumptions about the nature of the world cannot
> themselves be made the subject of experiment, it is bad science
> to believe them, as well as arrogance, illogic, and just plain
> sloppy thinking.
The purpose of science is to produce a model of the *physical* world. The
model must be able to explain all past observations and predict the outcome
of future observations. One of the aims of experiments is to carry out
well defined observations which are objective.
Ideally scientist will except the model which best describes the world, and
the model which realises on the minimal number of assumptions. At the
moment models which do not rely on the assumption of some *spiritual* world
existing are equally powerful to ones which assume the assumption of a
*spiritual* world. As the non-spiritual models has fewer assumptions it
should be the currently accepted models.
The scientific process never assumes that its present models are the
correct ones, whereas many religions claim to represent the truth. The
arrogance of many theists is that they claim to represent the truth, this
cannot be said of scientists.
Steve Lang
SLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK
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From: Bill.Kayser@delft.SGp.slb.COM (Bill Kayser)
Subject: Re: gadgets vs widgets
Article-I.D.: parsival.199304060609.AA00309
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 38
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
>
> > Motif managers take a very simplistic approach to the way they handle events
> > for gadgets: they track for all events(such as Motion Notify) wether or not
> > the gadget expresses interest in the events. As a result, gadgets typically
> > generate a great deal more network traffic. Those with X terminals might find
> > a noticable network performance drop as a result.
> >
> > Really? What's the point using Gadgets then?
>
> It is a case of memory vs. network performance tradeoff. Gadgets
> save both client and server memory. But memory is easily expandable while
> network performance is not, so if I were designing Motif I would
> at least make it *possible* to avoid using gadgets. At present you
> really don't have a choice because Motif forces you to use gadgets
> in menus and in various other places.
>
> Adrian Nye
> O'Reilly and Associates, Inc.
I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I
noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps
even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets
were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well
to use widgets everywhere. So why would ~50 pushbutton gadgets be a lot
quicker than 50 pushbuttons in the graph? Should I start putting gadgets
back into my long pulldown menus?
XmGraph manages children connected by XmArc widgets in a directed network
type graph with automatic layout capability.
Bill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Schlumberger Geco-Prakla
Internet : kayser@delft.sgp.slb.com
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From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Space Station Redesign (30826) Option C
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.214653.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
In article <1993Apr25.151108.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
> I like option C of the new space station design..
> It needs some work, but it is simple and elegant..
>
> Its about time someone got into simple construction versus overly complex...
>
> Basically just strap some rockets and a nose cone on the habitat and go for
> it..
>
> Might be an idea for a Moon/Mars base to..
>
> Where is Captain Eugenia(sp) when you need it (reference to russian heavy
> lifter, I think).
> ==
> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
>
>
>
>
This is a report, I got the subject messed up..
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From: jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han)
Subject: Overreacting (was Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more)
Nntp-Posting-Host: debra.dgbt.doc.ca
Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Lines: 36
In this giant bally-ho over this Clipper chip I noticed a rather
disturbing trend in some of the E-mail and posts I've tossing back and
forth.
Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this.
The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot?
In a new Civil War?
Everybody is jumping up and down and screaming about it, and I'm worried
that people are going to reach for their hammers and rifles before their pens
and paper.
Can people work within the system before trying to break it? Examine your
history books, and find out how many armed revolutions led to Democratic
(or Democratic style) governments. I think you'll only find one in over
five thousand years of written history.
That's not very good odds.
Somebody once said something like: "Armed Violence is meant only to be
used in response to an armed attack. It is not meant to be used in
agression. This is the difference between self-defence and murder."
Let's try to avoid killing things, eh? There's enough blood shed in the
world, without adding a couple of riots, Civil Wars, etc.
I'm probably overreacting. But what I've read scared me a lot. I don't
want my children growing up in a War Zone.
--
Jerry Han-CRC-DOC-Div. of Behavioural Research-"jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca"
///////////// These are my opinions, and my opinions only. \\\\\\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\\ A proud and frozen member of the Mighty Warriors Band ////////
"Memories of those I've left behind, still ringing in my ears."-Genesis-
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From: gringort@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Subject: Re: **** CURSOR SIZE PROBLEMS ****
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Lines: 37
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gringort@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tantalus.pa.dec.com
In article <C5Ky44.L2K@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk>, mbell@csc.liv.ac.uk
(Mike Bell) writes:
> /* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved
this */
> /* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-)
*/
>
> I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1
> X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no
> cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size.
I tried
>
> using the following code:
>
> unsigned int w,h;
> XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w,
> &h);
>
> to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as
> the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not
how can I
> get round the problem!!
Does the workstation you're using have hardware cursor support? Or does
the server generate a software cursor. You can generally tell the difference
just by using it. If the cursor blinks a lot when there's screen activity,
it's probably a software cursor. If it has a hardware cursor, I think you're
probably battling a bug in HP's X server. I'm not familiar with any hardware
cursor chips that display cursors greater than 64x64. It's quite possible
that the server is just echoing your preferred cursor size without actually
checking it. I vaguely recall that very old MIT server revisions did just
that.
In reality you're probably stuck with a 64x64 maximum size cursor regardless
of what the server returns.
-joel
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From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W)
Subject: Re: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Lines: 19
10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) writes:
>HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO
>ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG
>ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE.
>HARDWARE:
>AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD
>AMI BIOS 91
>CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE
>TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA
>PLEASE HELP!!!
>ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!!
I have the same problem. Someone suggested it might be a BIOS bug.
Gonna check with my supplier tomorrow. I'll tell you if it helps.
Wouter.
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From: clay@cs.scarolina.edu (F Rodney Clay)
Subject: Slider Position of Vertical Scrollbars
Summary: Slider Position of a List Widget's Vertical Scrollbar
Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
Distribution: comp
Lines: 10
I need help positioning the slider of a List widget's horizontal scrollbar. I am displaying the full
path of a selected file in a list widget. The horizontal's slider defaults to the left side of the
list widget; however, I need the slider on the right side. This is so the user can SEE the file name
they selected. I know it's possible, because when files are displayed in a file selection dialog box,
the slider is on the right side.
Thanking any and all who can help in advance,
Rodney F. Clay
clay@cs.scarolina.edu
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From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret
Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA
Lines: 25
In article <C5pstr.Lu2@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
> The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar
>government equivalent to military) has been let for this "proprietary"
>design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that
>patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified.
Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast
as a "classified patent." Patents exist to encourage communications and
develop the state of the art.
(The 17-year lock is a nuisance, but historically has been pretty trivial.
It's only in an industry which doubles performance every three years (or
18 months, for some hardware) that 17 years is an eternity).
The same thing applies in civilian development: you can't patent something
_and_ declare it a "trade secret." However, you can (and should) mark all
software (including proprietary code) "unpublished copyright" so that it
ever does get exposed you still have some legal protection.
(Post-Berne this isn't required, since everything is "born copyrighted."
But it takes a while for people to learn the new rules).
--
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: scott@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov (Michael Scott)
Subject: Canon copier-printer/postscript questions.
Nntp-Posting-Host: fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Lines: 53
Printer model and specification:
Canon CLC 500 (Color Laser Copier)
ps-ipu unit (postscript intelligent processing unit)
Hello,
We have recently purchased a very expensive and nice color copier/printer.
We want to be able to print to it from our SGI iris network. The
copier/printer has both a parallel and SCSI interface. I have configured the
printer with the "lp" system using the parallel interface and can print
postscript files to the printer. I can also print rgb files, but these are in
turn converted to postscript by an internal filter. The Canon CLC 500 is a
publication quality printer but the quality of our postscript printouts
are less than acceptable. We create the postscript files with a variaty of
programs, such as showcase, xv, and tops. When we convert to postscript
with tops and use the -l option to specify the halftone screen density of 98
rather than the default 40 the output is better, but still much less that
acceptable. Note, that we are starting with a screen image in rgb image format
and translating the image into postscript.
We suspect that if we could use the SCSI interface we would get higher quality
pictures. We have not purchased the software that drives the printer from the
SCSI port. To my knowledge this software is $5000 and does not come with a
warranty. The management here does not want to spend this much money without
some assurance that the product will work.
Here my questions:
If anybody on the net uses this printer are you using the SCSI or
parallel port? What is the quality of the printouts?
Is there a way to create high quality postscript printouts? What is the
limiting component, the postscript language or the postscript interpretor on
the printer?
The Big question:
Where can I get some software to drive the SCSI port for this printer?
Please email directly to me, I don't not read news on a regular basis.
I will post a summary.
Thanks in advance.
--
E-mail: scott@ncifcrf.gov ,Phone #: (301) 846-5798
Title: Sr. Systems Manager/Analyst
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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Latest SoCal Rides -- 4/14
Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Distribution: ca
Lines: 194
Southern California RideList -- 4/14/93
Please send me any updates to this ride list. Remember, only street
rides that are open to all bikers are posted. Please inc. phone # for
further info. Also, send me your e-mail address if you want mailed
copies of this list.
I suggest calling first to make sure that info is current. If you
find out further info, please let me know. I strive for accuracy but
cannot be responsible for errors.
e-mail address: paulb@harley.tti.com
---------
c&d = coffee & donuts; Mx = Live Music; f&d = food & drinks available;
* = changes since last posting; ** Address at end of posting
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Apr 15-18 11th Annual Laughlin (NV) River Run. Rides to the run from
points all over SoCal. Concerts, poker runs, parties,
etc., etc. This is sponsored by the Southern Calif. Harley
Dealer Assoc., but all bikes are welcome. Reservations
are only $25 at any SoCal Harley Dealer. River Run 24 Hr
Hotline: 800/266-6441. Discount Room reservations or
concert tix: 909/883-0317 (Tues-Sat, 9A-noon & 1-4P).
Apr 17 2nd Annual Racing Memorabilia Show & Sale. art, prints,
photos, lithos, models, books. 310/539-8108.
Apr 17-18 SCMA Route 66 Tour. 714/680-4667.
Apr 18 SCMA/TRAC A. Gypsy Tour. 7A in Santa Monica. John
Lane @ 818/359-0414.
Apr 18 Tax Time Run for the money (ABATE #19). 200 pins, prizes,
games, f&d, raffles. $7 (free if you join). s/in 8-10A
@ V-Twin City, 565 Brea Canyon Rd, Walnut.
Manny @ 909/594-0086.
*Apr 18 3rd Annual GWTA Loma Linda Children's Hospital Benefit Run.
free c&d @ start. hot dogs, etc. @ finish. s/in 8-11A
@ Skip Fordyce motors, 7840 Indiana Ave., Riverside.
909/679-1097.
Apr 23-25 MMA State Overnighter. Frazier Park. 805-522-6557 or
805/392-0540.
Apr 23-25 32nd Yuma Prison Run. $20 mailin/$25 gate. camping.
310/944-2180 or 805/253-3043.
Apr 23-25 Paso Robles Clean & Sober Run @ Paso Robles Fairgrounds.
805/461-1211.
Apr 25 Shamrock's 3rd Annual Scenic Byways Tour. 2 starts,
5 routes. s/in 6:30-8:30A @ Simi Valley Honda,
4346 L.A. Ave. or Cycles Parts, 473 W. Baseline,
San Bernadino. Picnic & bbq @ Lake hughes. $14. 805/584-3983.
Apr 25 MRA Chap "E" Poker Run. 8A @ American Legion, 600 South
"D" St., Peris. Steve Hill @ 714/244-3064.
May 1 AMA Grand Nat'l Dirt Track Series race. Pomona Fairplex,
714/623-3111 or 614/891-2425.
May 1 KPFK's (90.7 FM) Centerstand Radio Show and The Car Show
will broadcast live from Autobooks, Etc., 3524 W. Magnolia
Av., Burbank. Carshow starts @ noonb, Centerstand
@ 1:30PM. 818/845-0707.
May 1 ABATE #8 Poker Run. East end of Bucklin Park, Imperial Valley.
s/in 8-10A. $8 includes food & entertainment. Barbara
@ 619/352-7006.
May 1-2 PMC 47th Annual Greenhorn Tour. 818/963-5480 or 909/593-9988.
May 1-2 Song Dog Ranch Spring Rally. Overnight camping at this
famousmotorcycle campground. Mx., All you can eat or
drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
April 26. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number).
May 2 BSA Owner's Club Spring Ride. Castaic Landing. 805/273-7005.
May 2 Album Release Celebration ("Helmet Laws Suck" by Billy Gordon &
The Blue Rockers) @ La Vida Hot Springs (91 to 57N to
Lambert east 5 miles on left). Special Guests, Mx, raffle.
714/996-0720.
May 2 1st Annual Spring Round-Up Rodeo. (ABATE #27). Many Bike
Games. f&d, pins, raffle. s/in starts 9A. Games @ noon.
$10 ea/$18 couple (free if you join). Robbies Restaurant,
26020 Hwy 74 (btwn Perris & Lake Elsinore). George or
Susan @ 909/674-0554; Allen or Melanie @ 909/780-3743.
May 14 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
May 14 LA Cnty MC Swap Meet. $8. 818/361-0205.
May 14 Christian M/C Assn. SoCal Rally. First Assembly of God
Church, 15260 Nisqually Rd, Victorville. Bob Quintard
@ 909/797-9801.
May 16 Mother's with the Most. 805/763-4614.
May 16 4th Annual MC Awareness Day. (ABATE #22). 9:30-5p @
American Legion Hall, 1340 Gardena Bl (crnr Normandie),
Gardena. Mx, Vendors, raffles, games, etc. $5 (<12 free);
($8 w/pin). f&d. Doc or Carol @ 310/371-2348 or
Dieter @ 310/531-8942.
May 16 Blue Knights 5th Annual Benefit Ride. Starts @ Cycle Parts
West, San Diego. Harold Crosby @ 619/753-7827.
May 19 Run For The Wall. LA to DC. Lv (8A? or) 9A from TA Truck
Stop where I10 & I15 meet in Ontario. Camping & Motels
available at each night's stop. Rides ends up at the
Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, DC.
100,000 bikes are expected to meet there. Call
Rod Coffey @ 310/425-3145. Alt Info: send $1 p/h to
John Anderson, 5920 Deer Creek Way, Paso Robles,
CA 93446 or call him @ 805/237-0790.
May 23 Long Beach MC Parts Exchange, LB Veterans Memorial Stadium.
310/323-9611.
May 28-31 US MC Jamboree. Tulare Cnty Fairgnds, Tulare. ride in
mc show, benefit poker run (sun), Mx, raffles, games.
starts noon on Friday. $23; $11 (15 & under); free for
6 & under. 918/542-5939; 502/622-4810; 805/822-8939;
310/492-9688; 909/825-3798; 602/425-6609.
May 29-31 Blazing Saddles Tour (SCMA). 818/789-9932.
May 30 Ariel Owners Club Annual Event. 3225 Greenfield Ave., LA.
Chuck Walton, 818/345-6532.
Jun 6 Fun in the Sun Ride (MMA #2). Bakersfield. 805/392-0546.
Jun 12-13 Class Act Tour
Jun 12-13 Silver Eagles Run. Palomar, San Diego. 619/569-7370.
Jun 20 Ventura Swap & Show by The Shop. @ Ventura Fairgnds.
805/656-6777.
Jun 20 3rd Annual Summer Solstice Poker Run & Pig Feed. (ABATE #9).
$15 ea/$25 couple (free if you join). Pig Roast, games,
raffles, Mx, swimming, 300 pins. s/in 8-10A @ Swallows Inn,
I5 & Ortega Hwy, San Juan Capistrano. Earl @ 714/496-3401;
Rick @ 714/548-3434.
Jun 25-27 MMA's Bike Fest '93 @ Mariposa Fairgrounds (Hwy 99
to Hwy 140E; go 38 miles). Mx, Camping Available;
trade show, f7d, games. $25 advance/$35 gate. info
& tix: 800/247-6246.
Jun 27 Hope House Benefit Run (SCMA). 805/581-3235.
Jul 4 Bike Show @ Accessories Unltd**
Jul 4 ABATE #6 Christmas in July. 619/569-7370.
Jul 11 Beach Ride 93 to benefit the Exceptional Children's
Foundation.
Jul 11 ABATE #8 Old Timers Poker Run. 714/998-5740.
Jul 16-19 4th Annual Unicoastal Ride and Joust. Starts all over the
West Coast and goes to Pine Glen Campground (near Mammoth
Lakes) for a 2 or 3 day weekend of fun with the usenet
personalities your fond of flaming. To get on the mail
list, contact joust-request@harley.tti.com .
Jul 18 Iron Horse Poker Run. 805/734-3401.
Jul 21 2nd Annual National Ride to Work Day.
Jul 23-25 Quaff M/C Mt. Palomar 17th Annual Overnighter @ La Jolla
Campgrounds. 714/352-0443.
Jul 25 5th Annual Summer Food Run. ABATE #19. 818/917-2243.
Jul 30 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Aug 1 Accessories Unltd** Ride
Aug 7 Hot August Nights Poker Run. 805/392-0546.
Aug 14-15 650 Tour (SCMA area B). 805/481-3482.
Aug 21-22 Song Dog Ranch Summer Rally. Overnight camping at this
famous motorcycle campground. Classical Mx., All you can
eat or drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
Aug 16. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number).
Aug 22 Vets Benefit Run (TRAC A). 714/680-4667.
Aug 22 MMA Chicken Roast. Camarillo Park. 805/522-6557.
Sep 3-6 18th Annual 3 Flags Classic. Juarez, Mexico to
Southern Alberta, Canada. $110/person. received by
1/23/93. Frank Weed @ 714/879-9432. (or try 714/962-3150)
Sep 3-6 ABATE's Golden State Rendezvous. 10A Fri-noon Mon @
Mid State Fairgrounds, Paso Robles.
Sep 12 Iron Horse Rocket Run. 805/734-3401.
Sep 19 Black Gold Poker Run (Taft MC). 805/765-5085.
Sep 24-26 Redwood Run #2.
Sep 25-27 Bonanza Tour (Shamrocks). 805/272-9865.
Oct 1 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Oct 9-10 Song Dog Ranch Fall Rally. Overnight camping at this
famous motorcycle campground. Mx., All you can
eat or drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve
by Oct 4. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number).
Oct 16-17 SCMA Grand Tour 805/269-1399.
Oct 22-24 Easyriders Motorcycle Rodeo. Antelope Valley Fairgrounds
(Hwy. 14 N. to Ave, I exit, right), Lancaster.
Oct 23-24 22nd Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. Mineral Springs
area of the Park. Doug Bingham @ 818/780-5542.
Oct 24 MRA Chap "E" Ride
Nov 7 Love Ride 10 to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc.
Sponsored by Glendale H-D, 3717 San Fernando Rd,
Glendale. 818/246-5618.
Nov 14 Toy-Key Run (SCMA Area B). 805/481-3482.
Nov 14 MC Awareness Day (ABATE 1)
Nov 21 Accessories Unlimited** Posse Ride.
Dec 3 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Dec 12 Hathaway Children's Center Toy Run
-------------------- ONGOING EVENTS & NOTICES ----------------------------
HD Swap Meet & Show. Santa Fe Springs Drive-in, 13963 Alondra Blvd.
5:30-10:30P, 3rd Thurs ea mo. $5 fee. 310/944-4268.
note that in April, it was moved to 4/8.
Free seminars every Saturday @ Luftmeister, Inc., Long Beach. 310/539-6420.
Tune in Centerstand, a radio program for motorcyclists every Saturday from
1:30-2PM on KPFK, 90.7 FM
Parents w/out Partners MC Club meets 2nd Sat @ 8A at Cocos, Brea Rd & Colina
Road in Diamondbar. 909/595-3785
A new mc club for women only is forming: Diamonds and Pearls. 818/706-3164
MARC (Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club) meets 8A, 2nd Sat @ Denny's, 2314
E 17th St, Santa Ana. Net @ 8P Weds on 146.985- . Info: Ray or Bonnie
@ 714/551-1036.
------------------- ** ADDRESSES -----------------------------------------
Follows Camp -- From 210 or 10 Fwy, go North on Azusa Ave (Hwy 39) To East
Fork Rd. Go 2.5 miles East to camp (hint: look for bridge).
Accessories Unlimited -- 24508 Lyons Ave (at I5), Newhall. 805/255-6522.
Cycle Parts West -- 13682 Beach Blvd, Westminister.
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From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler)
Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (3 of 3)
Supersedes: <net-privacy/part3_733153240@GZA.COM>
Organization: TMP Enterprises
Lines: 1201
Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT
Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com
Summary: Notes on the use, history, and value of anonymous Usenet
posting and email remailing services
X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04
Archive-name: net-privacy/part3
Last-modified: 1993/3/3
Version: 2.1
NOTES on ANONYMITY on the INTERNET
==================================
Compiled by L. Detweiler <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu>.
<8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites?
<8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity?
<8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings?
<8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers?
<8.5> What is the value of anonymity?
<8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed?
<8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings?
<8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius?
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<8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites?
Currently the most stable of anonymous remailing and posting sites
is anon.penet.fi operated by julf@penet.fi for several months, who
has system adminstrator privileges and owns the equipment.
Including anonymized mail, Usenet posting, and return addresses
(no encryption). Send mail to help@penet.fi for information.
Hal Finney has contributed an instruction manual for the cypherpunk
remailers on the ftp site soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.19):
pub/cypherpunks/hal's.instructions. See also scripts.tar.Z (UNIX
scripts to aid remailer use) and anonmail.arj (MSDOS batch files to
aid remailer use).
ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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Anonymized mail. Request information from above address.
elee7h5@rosebud.ee.uh.edu
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Experimental anonymous remailer run Karl Barrus
<elee9sf@Menudo.UH.EDU>, with encryption to the server. Request
information from that address.
hal@alumni.caltech.edu
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Experimental remailer with encryption to server and return
addresses. Request information from above address.
hh@soda.berkeley.edu
hh@cicada.berkeley.edu
hh@pmantis.berkeley.edu
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Experimental remailer. Include header `Request-Remailing-To'.
nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
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Experimental remailer allowing one level of chaining. Run by
Chael Hall. Request information from above address.
phantom@mead.u.washington.edu
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Experimental remailer with encryption to server. `finger' site
address for information.
Notes
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- Cypherpunk remailers tend to be unstable because they are often
running without site administrator knowledge. Liability issues
are wholly unresolved.
- So far, all encryption is based on public-key cryptography and PGP
software (see the question on cryptography).
- Encryption aspects (message text, destination address, replies)
vary between sites.
- Multiple chaining, alias unlinking, and address encryption are
mostly untested, problematic, or unsupported at this time.
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<8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity?
Users
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- Use anonymity only if you have to. Frivolous uses weaken the
seriousness and usefulness of the capability for others.
- Do not use anonymity to provoke, harass, or threaten others.
- Do not hide behind anonymity to evade established conventions on
Usenet, such as posting binary pictures to regular newsgroups.
- If posting large files, be attentive to bandwidth considerations.
Remember, simply sending the posting to the service increases
network traffic.
- Avoid posting anonymously to the regular hierarchy of Usenet; this
is the mostly likely place to alienate readers. The `alt'
hierarchy is preferred.
- Give as much information as possible in the posting (i.e.
references, etc.) Remember that content is the only means for
readers to judge the truth of the message, and that any
inaccuracies will tend to discredit the entire message and even
future ones under the same handle.
- Be careful not to include information that will reveal your
identity or enable someone to deduce it. Test the system by
sending anonymized mail to yourself.
- Be aware of the policies of the anonymous site and respect them.
Be prepared to forfeit your anonymity if you abuse the privilege.
- Be considerate and respectful of other's objections to anonymity.
- ``Hit-and-run'' anonymity should be used with utmost reservation.
Use services that provide anonymous return addresses instead.
- Be courteous to the system operator, who may have invested large
amounts of time, be personally risking his account, or dedicating
his hardware, all for your convenience.
Operators
---------
- Document thoroughly acceptable and unacceptable uses in an
introductory file that is sent to new users. Have a coherent and
consistent policy and stick to it. State clearly what logging and
monitoring is occurring. Describe your background, interest, and
security measures. Will the general approach be totalitarian or
lassaiz-faire?
- Formulate a plan for problematic ethical situations and anticipate
potentially intense moral quandaries and dilemmas. What if a user
is blackmailing someone through your service? What if a user
posts suicidal messages through your service? Remember, your
users trust you to protect them.
- In the site introductory note, give clear examples of situations
where you will take action and what these actions will be (e.g.
warn the user, limit anonymity to email or posting only, revoke
the account, 'out' the user, contact local administrator, etc.)
- Describe exactly the limitations of the software and hardware.
Address the bandwidth limitations of your site. Report candidly
and thoroughly all bugs that have occurred. Work closely with
users to isolate and fix bugs. Address all bugs noted below under
``(in)stability of anonymity''.
- Document the stability of the site---how long has it been running?
What compromises have occured? Why are you running it? What is
your commitment to it?
- Include a disclaimer in outgoing mail and messages. Include an
address for complaints, ideally appended to every outgoing item.
Consult a lawyer about your liability.
- Be committed to the long-term stability of the site. Be prepared
to deal with complaints and `hate mail' addressed to you. If you
do not own the hardware the system runs on or are not the system
adminstrator, consult those who do and are.
- Be considerate of providing anonymity to various groups. If
possible, query group readers.
- Keep a uniformity and simplicity of style in outgoing message
format that can be screened effectively by kill files. Ensure
the key text `Anon' is somewhere in every header.
- Take precautions to ensure the security of the server from
physical and network-based attacks and infiltrations.
Readers
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- Do not complain, attack, or discredit a poster for the sole reason
that he is posting anonymously, make blanket condemnations that
equate anonymity with cowardice and criminality, or assail
anonymous traffic in general for mostly neutral reasons (e.g. its
volume is heavy or increasing).
- React to the anonymous information unemotionally. Abusive posters
will be encouraged further if they get irrationally irate
responses. Sometimes the most effective response is silence.
- Notify operators if very severe abuses occur, such as piracy,
harassment, extortion, etc.
- Do not complain about postings being inappropriate because they
offend you personally.
- Use kill files to screen anonymous postings if you object to the
idea of anonymity itself.
- Avoid the temptation to proclaim that all anonymous postings
should be barred from particular groups because no `possible' or
`conceivable' need exists.
References
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See e.g. ftp.eff.org:/pub/academic/anonymity:
> This article is an excerpt from an issue of FIDONEWS on individual
> privacy and the use of handles. It accepts the need of a system
> operator to know the name of a user; but suggests that the use of
> a handle is analogous to a request to withhold the name in a
> letter to the editor. The article concludes with a set of
> guidelines for preserving the right to be anonymous.
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<8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings?
James Thomas Green <jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu>:
> Try putting this in your kill file:
>
> /Anon/h:j
> /Anonymous/h:j
>
> This will search the headers of the messages and kill any that
> contain `Anon' or `Anonymous' in them. Not perfect and won't
> kill followups.
Note that anonymous server operators have the capability to mask
anonymous postings under which the above method will not work; so
far this practice is not widespread, but it may become more common
as a countermeasure to widespread anonymous filtering.
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<8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers?
Originally anonymous posting services were introduced for
individual, particularly volatile newsgroups, where anonymity is
almost the preferred method of communication, such as talk.abortion
and alt.sex.bondage. One of the first was one by Dave Mack
started in ~1988 for alt.sex.bondage. Another early one was
wizvax.methuen.ma.us run by Stephanie Gilgut (Gilgut Enterprises)
but was disbanded due to lack of funds. The system provided
anonymous return addresses. n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) took up
the functions of this server, including reinstating the anonymous
alias file. The group ``alt.personals has been chewing through
servers like there's no tomorrow.''
Spurred by the disappearance of `wizvax' and interested in
researching the idea, Karl Kleinpaste
<Karl_Kleinpaste@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> developed his own system
from scratch in six hours. By this time the idea of extending the
server to new, more `mainstream' groups was starting to emerge,
and he explored the possibility partly at the specific request by
multiple users for anonymity in other groups. ``The intended
advantage of my system was specifically to allow multiple group
support, with a single anon identifier across all. This was
arguably the single biggest deficiency of previous anon systems.''
K. Kleinpaste posted a message on rec.nude asking users whether an
anonymous service would be welcome there, and judged a consensus
against it.
K. Kleinpaste introduced what he calls a ``fire extinguisher'' to
`squelch' or `plonk' abusive users in response to complaints, and
used this in three cases. Nevertheless, after a few months of
intense traffic he was eventually overwhelmed by the abuses of his
server. ``Even as restricted as it was, my system was subjected to
abuses to the point where it was ordered dismantled by the
facilities staff here. Such abuses started right after it was
created.''
In ~Nov 1992, Johan Helsingius (julf@penet.FI) set up the most
controversial anonymous site to date. anon.penet.fi is based on
scripts and C code written by K. Kleinpaste and supports anonymized
mail, posting, and return addresses. He initially wanted to confine
the service to Scandinavian users but expanded it to worldwide
accessability in response to 'lots' of international requests.
J. Helsingius policy of allowing anonymous posting to every Usenet
newsgroup has been met with strong and serious ideological
opposition (e.g. by news adminstrators in news.admin.policy).
Because of the relative newness and recent emergence of the medium,
abuses by anonymous posters tend to have higher visibility than
``routine'' abuses. His total commitment to preservation of
anonymity is also controversial.
For example, in a highly controversial and publicized case in ~Feb
1993, an anonymous user posted a supposed transcript of desperate
crew dialogue during the Challenger shuttle disaster via
anon.penet.fi to sci.astro. Despite that the transcript had been
posted in the same place up to a year earlier (then
non-anonymously) and actually originated not with the poster but a
New York news tabloid, subsequent responses consisted largely of
vociferous outrage at the poster's use of anonymity, reverberating
through many newsgroups.
The original poster, using the same anonymous handle, later conceded
that the story ``seemed likely to have been fabricated,''
suggesting the plausible possibility that the original intent was
not to provoke outrage but gauge reactions on the authenticity of
the story (albeit crudely), free of personal risk from perceived
association with the item. The ensuing commotion generated queries
for the original article by late-entering readers. The anonymous
user later posted deliberately offensive comments at his
detractors.
Despite piercingly irate and outraged complaints, and even the vocal
opposition and verbal abuse of K. Kleinpaste and eminent news
operators, J. Helsingius has largely avoided use of the ``fire
extingisher'' and the ``group bouncer'' mechanisms that limit the
scope of the service. As of ~March 1993 the anon.penet.fi site is
best described as `inundated': it has registered over 13,000 users
in its initial three months of operation, forwards ~3000 messages a
day, and approximately 5% of all Usenet postings are anonymized
through the site. The immense popularity is probably largely due
to the capability for `global' anonymity which has allowed users to
find creative uses in diverse areas not previously envisioned.
Johan Helsingius has been subject to extraordinary pressure to
dismantle his server in ~Feb 1993. At one point K. Kleinpaste
threatened publicly to organize a sort of vigilante group of irate
news operators to send out revocation commands on all messages
originating from the site. J. Helsingius has also alluded to
threats of flooding the server. The server has crashed several
times, at least once due to a saturation `mailbombing' through it
by an anonymous user. Mr. Helsingius reports spending up to 5
hours per day answering email requests alone associated with the
service's administration. In response to the serious threats he
disabled global group access temporarily for one week and
encouraged his users to defend the service publicly.
Based on fast-moving dialogue and creative suggestions by
``cypherpunks,'' J. Helsingius has identified many security
weaknesses and valuable new features for the service, and is
currently in the process of code development and testing. He is
planning on upgrading the IBM compatible 386 machine to a 486 soon
to handle the voluminous load and is considering integrating a new
system with very sophisticated functionality, including multiple
email aliases, alias allocation control, public-key encryption,
etc.
A very sophisticated anonymous posting system was set up in Dec.
1992 by D. Clunie <dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au> that used cryptography
in both directions (to/from) the server for the highest degree of
confidentiality seen so far. However, it was running on a public
access account, and he had to shut it down after only several
weeks, upon receiving requests and conditions apparently ultimately
originating from NSF representatives. D. Clunie has released the
software to the public domain.
Recently the idea of a newsgroup devoted to `whistleblowing' on
government abuses has received wide and focused attention, and
group formation is currently underway. In the basic scenario the
group would allow people to post pseudonymously using remailers,
and even establish reputations based on their authentifiable
digital signatures. The traffic may eventually reach reporters in
the mainstream news media. deltorto@aol.com has volunteered to
attack multiple aspects of this project, including distributing
easy-to-read documentation on posting, anonymization, and
encryption.
See also sections on ``views on anonymous posting'' below and ``what
is going on with anon.penet.fi?'' in this document.
(Thanks to Carl Kleinpaste
<Karl_Kleinpaste@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu>, David Clunie
<dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au> and Johan Helsingius <julf@penet.fi> for
contributions here.)
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<8.5> What is the value of anonymity?
KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET:
> I think anonymous posts do help in focusing our attention on the
> content of one's message. Sure lot of anonymous posts are abusive
> or frivolous but in most cases these are by users who find the
> anon facility novel. Once the novelty wears off they are stopping
> their pranks...
morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan):
> I don't mind seeing the miscellaneous hatred/prejudice/racism;
> those things are part of our nature. However, the notion of
> providing anonymity's shield for these ideas repulses me. If
> they have such strong feelings, why can't they put their name(s)
> on their postings? ... Quite frankly, I loathe communication
> with people who refuse to use their names.
dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
> Many seem to question the value of anonymity. But who are they to
> say what risks another individual should take ? There is no
> question that in this rather conservative society that we live
> in, holding certain views, making certain statements, adopting a
> certain lifestyle, are likely to result in public censure,
> ridicule, loss of status, employment, or even legal action. Given
> the heterogeneity of the legal jurisdictions from where the many
> contributors to usenet post, who knows what is legal and what is
> not ! Some say that anonymous posters are "cowards" and should
> stand up and be counted. Perhaps that is one point of view but
> what right do these detractors have to exercise such censorship ?
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
> Why is it censorship to not expect someone to speak for
> themselves, without the cloak of anonymity. This is at best a
> lame argument.
>
> You tell me why what you have to say requires anonymity. And you
> tell me why the wishes of a majority of non-anonymous users of a
> newsgroup should be disregarded when they don't want anonymous
> posts.
>
> Anonymous users have LESS rights than any others. They are not
> legitimate usenet participants. I would not honor RFDs, CFVs,
> control messages, or votes from one.
brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton):
> I can think of no disadvantage caused by anon posting sites that
> doesn't already exist, other than the fact that they do make more
> naive net users who don't know how to post anonymously the old
> way more prone to do it.
From: mandel@netcom.com (Tom Mandel)
> I cannot speak for others but I regard anonymous postings in a
> serious discussion as pretty much worthless. ... views that hide
> behind the veil of anon are hardly worth the trouble of reading.
n8729@anon.penet.fi (Hank Pankey)
> Since I began posting anonymously (to show support for general
> principles of personal privacy) I have been subject to far more
> abuse and attack than I ever received before. People seem to
> find it easier to flame and insult someone whose name they don't
> know. Perhaps it's easier to pretend that there is no person
> behind the email address who feels the sting of abusive comments.
>
> Anonymity does hinder some methods of controlling other posters'
> actions. People who seek such control will naturally oppose it.
From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
> Instead of making this a "free-er medium" by allowing posters to
> "protect themselves" with anonymity, simply require that all
> posters be prepared to discuss their sources of information and
> take the heat for unsubstantiated dribble. This seems to be the
> way things are currently done;
xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory):
> In misc.kids there are three threads going on started by anonymous
> posters. One was about changing jobs so as to work less hours,
> job sharing and so on, from a woman who didn't want anyone at her
> current place of work to know she was thinking of looking for
> work elsewhere. The next was from a woman who is thinking of
> having a baby sometime soon and doesn't want coworkers, friends,
> family etc etc to know all about it, but who wants advice. The
> third is about sex after parenthood -- actually this was started
> by people posting in the usual way but then it was pointed out
> that the anonymous posting service might let more people
> participate.
>
> Misc.kids doesn't seem to be suffering any harm from the presence
> of anonymous posters; in fact it seems to have been helped by it.
hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey):
> While there has never been any real security against anonymous or
> forged postings on Usenet, the process has until now been
> sufficiently inconvenient, error-prone, and undocumented to limit
> its use by persons who have not learned the culture of the net.
>
> On the other hand, a recent use of the anonymous posting service
> on sci.math seemed seemed to be a student asking help on a
> homework problem. It has now been attributed to a teacher,
> asking for an explanation of a dubious answer in his teaching
> guide. He says his news posting is broken, so he is using the
> anonymous service as a mail-to-news gateway.
Karl Barrus <elee9sf@Menudo.UH.EDU>
> Some argue that the opinions of the people who hide behind a veil
> of anonymity are worthless, and that people should own up to
> their thoughts. I agree with the latter point - in an ideal
> world we would all be sitting around engaging in Socratic
> dialogues, freely exchanging our opinions in an effort to
> learn. But in an ideal world nobody will threaten you for your
> thoughts, or ridicule you.
>
> But we live in a world where the people who don't agree with you
> may try to harm you. Let's face it, some people aren't going to
> agree with your opinion no matter how logically you try to
> present it, or how reasoned out it may be. This is sad since it
> does restrict people from voicing their opinions.
red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew):
> The consensus seems to be that a general anonymous posting service
> such as that at anon.penet.fi seems sufficiently corrosive of the
> trust and civility of the net that this particular experiment
> should be ended. Perhaps the next time the question comes up we
> can say: "We tried it - we learned it does more harm than good -
> and we stopped it."
From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
> anonymous posting has not created major problems aside from
> angering irate people (like you?) who would rather ban
> anonymous/pseudonymous posting altogether because "real men can
> stand up for what they said" or comparable puerile arguments as
> others have brought up.
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes):
> What a primal example of human nature. I have three questions for
> you folks.
>
> Do people really say different things to each other based upon
> whether their identity is or isn't known?
>
> Are people really so affected by what other people say that the
> verbage is labeled "abuse"?
>
> Most importantly, on a forum that prizes itself on the freedom of
> communication that it enjoys, is there really such a thing as
> freedom of communication?
From: terry@geovision.gvc.com (Terry McGonigal)
> <sigh>... Just how many anon services are needed? Will
> *everybody* start running one soon? What's the purpose? Who
> stands to benefit when there are N anon services, then 2*N, then
> N^2, out there. Where *has* this sudden fasination with anon
> services come from?
>
> For better or (IMHO) worse, it looks like we'er gonna get stuck
> with these things, and as much as I don't like the idea (of
> services like this becoming the norm) I don't really think
> there's much to be done since it's obvious that anyone who wants
> to can set one up with a bit of work.
Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kleinpaste):
> Weak reasoning.
> With freedom comes responsibility.
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes):
> Responsibility isn't real if it is enforced. True responsibilty
> comes with no coercion.
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<8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed?
morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan):
> I will be the first to admit that I hold some controversial
> opinions; indeed, I'm sure that none of us are completely
> orthodox in our opinions. However, I've received *hundreds* of
> anonymous email messages over the last few years; fewer than 20
> of them were "reasonable posts made with good motives." It's
> getting more and more difficult to remember why we need anonymity
> at all; the abusers are (once again) lousing things up for those
> who truly need the service (or those who would put it to good
> use).
>
> I'm not suggesting that we should ban anonymous servers; as I've
> said, there are several situations in which anonymity is a Good
> Thing (tm).
>
> However, the notion that anonymity's shield should be
> automatically extended to every Usenet discussion is ridiculous;
> it opens the door to further abuse.
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce):
> Of course, how does one determine whether a "group" requests the
> service? A flat majority of posters voting in favor? A positive
> margin of 100 votes? Or what? No one speaks for a newsgroup.
>
> I'm not convinced by the arguments that an anonymous posting
> service for all newsgroups is inherently a bad idea, simply
> because it's a diversion from the status quo. Since the status
> quo previously permitted anonymous posting to *no* newsgroups,
> any anonymous posting service would reject the status quo.
hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
> It is facist to suggest that a newsgroup is best able to decide
> whether it wants to allow anonymous postings instead of having
> them forced upon them by an service administrator?
ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie):
> The service provides a mechanism for forwarding mail to the
> original poster. Since most Usenet readers don't know John Smith
> from Jane Doe except by their opinions and their address, the
> effect of having an anonymous posting to which mail replies can
> be directed is minimal, except for those who personally know the
> poster--and ... the lack of anonymity could be serious. Any
> mechanism like this is liable to abuse, but the benefits as well
> as the costs must be weighed. Limiting the service to alt groups,
> or specific groups, would not help those who want advice on
> sensitive issues in more 'professional' newsgroups.
From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
> An additional point is that some of us find anonimity in technical
> matters to be profoundly offensive; anonimity in different forums
> has different meanings. If I get a phone call from someone who
> won't identify himself, I hang up. If I get U.S. mail with no
> return address, it goes into the garbage unopened. If someone
> accosts me in the street while wearing a mask, I back away -
> carefully, and expecting violence. In a technical discussion,
> anonimity means that the individual isn't willing to associate
> himself with the matter being discussed, which discredits his
> utterances and makes listening to them a waste of time.
>
> Anonimity leads to fun psych experiments; the literature is filled
> with all the various things that people will do anonymously that
> they won't otherwise. Including one notorious study involving
> torture that would not have passed today's ethical standards. Fun
> stuff, in any case.
>
> FINE. LEAVE US OUT OF IT.
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
> You obviously have never submitted an article to a refereed
> journal, where you will receive anonymous reviews through a server
> (the editor) that behaves much like the one in Finland (e.g. you
> may reply and the editor will maintain the anonymity). ... Your
> comparison of someone who wants to express him/herself on a
> technical issue anonymously with a person who approaches you on a
> dark street with a ski mask is just emotionally overwrought
> nonsense; such posters pose no physical threat to you.
jik@mit.edu (J. Kamens):
> It seems obvious to me that the default should be *not* to allow
> anonymous postings in a newsgroup. The Usenet has always
> operated on the principle that the status quo should be kept
> unless there's a large number of people who want to change it.
>
> If someone REALLY needs to post a message anonymous in a newsgroup
> in which this usually isn't done, they can usually find someone
> on the net to do this for them. They don't need an automated
> service to do it, and the automated service is by its nature
> incapable of making the judgment call necessary to decide whether
> a particular posting really needs to be anonymous.
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
> For any newsgroup you name, I bet I can envision a scenario
> involving a need for secrecy. If an accurate content-based
> filter of each anonymous posting could be devised to screen out
> those that don't require secrecy, wonderful. But it can't be
> done.
From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
> If a newsgroup wants to be noise- and nuisance-free, then it
> should call for moderation. This should happen on a per-newsgroup
> basis, and not as a general USENET ban on anonymous postings. Of
> course one principle of moderation might be to keep out all
> anonymous postings, and could be achieved automatically. It would
> still be _moderation_. Personally I would prefer moderation
> criteria being based on actual content.
David A. Clunie (dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au)
> If a "group" doesn't want to receive certain posts it should
> become moderated - there are clearly defined mechanisms on
> non-alt groups for this to take place. An automated moderator
> excluding posts from certain (eg. anonymous) sites or individuals
> could easily be established. If anyone wants to take such a
> draconian approach then they are welcome to do so and good luck
> to them. I doubt if I will be reading their group !
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
> What possible need would someone have for posting anonymously to a
> sci.* group?
>
> Sure most adults are willing to post under their own names. Why
> would they want to hide behind an anonymous posting service?
> Ashamed of what they have to say or just trying to rile people
> without fear of being identified?
>
> Anonymous posting have their place in CERTAIN groups. If I or
> anyone else needs to tell you what those groups are then you've
> been on another planet breathing exotic gases for too long.
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
> It's bloody fascinating that (all?) the proponents of unimpeded
> universal anon posting access can't seem to find any middle
> ground at all. Why is there such a perception of
> absolutism? Where does this instant gratification syndrome come
> from, "I want anon access and I want it NOW"? Who are the
> control freaks here?
From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
> Remember, this is a newsgroup for posters writing about SCIENTIFIC
> issues. Anonymous discussion of scientific issues leads to bad
> science.
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
> Though many have personal philosophical arguments against
> anonymous posters, their arguments have not been compelling
> enough to convince me that omni-newsgroup anonymous posting
> should be banned or severely restricted. Though I cannot prove
> it, it seems to me that those who do not like anonymous posting
> (in principle) do so for reasons that are personal (read,
> psychological discomfort) rather than for reasons related to
> maintaining the "integrity" of Usenet.
>
> Remember, it is impossible to be able to ascertain all the
> conceivable and legitimate motives for anonymous posting to
> newsgroups one normally would not deem to be "sensitive". ... in
> general, I fear even letting newsgroup readers vote on either
> allowing or not allowing anonymous posting, since a priori they
> *cannot* know all the motives of *legitimate* posters, and I do
> not believe that any system should ever be instituted that would
> inhibit the posting of legitimate and informative posts.
lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
> I personally don't believe that pseudonymous postings are
> appropriate in a serious discussion area. If there is a
> LEGITIMATE reason for concealing the posters' identity, perhaps,
> but simply because they're not so sure if they want their name
> attached doesn't qualify as LEGITIMATE in my book. (Oh, and if
> you can come up with a legitimate purpose for anonymous postings,
> please, enlighten me.)
sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby)
> Three of our (the U.S.'s) founding fathers, Madison, Hamilton, and
> Jay, seemed to think "anonymous posting" was OK. The Federalist
> papers were originally printed in New York newspapers with
> authorship attributed to "Publius". I wonder if you would find
> their purpose "LEGITIMATE"?
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<8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings?
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
> I would like to know how to junk all articles posted by the
> anonymous service currently being discussed. Ideally I would
> actually tell my feed site not to feed me articles posted by the
> anonymous service. Assuming the C News Performance Release, what
> is a simple way to accomplish this? Or where should I look to
> learn how to do it myself?
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
> That's a bit draconian isn't it ? Have your users unanimously
> decided that they would like you to do this or have you decided
> for them ?
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
> Good question. Nobody has decided. I have no definite plan to do
> this, just wanted the technical data.
Carl Kleinpaste (Karl_Kleinpaste@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu):
> ...were I to be in the position of offering such a service again,
> my promises of protection of anonymity would be limited. Not on
> the basis of personal opinion of what gets posted, but on the
> basis of postings which disrupt the smooth operation of the
> Usenet. The most obvious and direct recourse would be to `out'
> the abusive individual. Less drastic possibilities exist -- the
> software supports a "fire extinguisher" by which individuals can
> be prevented from posting.
john@iastate.edu (John Hascall):
> Since when is Usenet a democracy? If someone wants to run an
> anonymous service, that's their business. If you want to put
> that host in your killfile, that's your business. If a newsadmin
> wants to blanket-drop all postings from that site, that's between
> them and the other people at that site. If everyone ignores a
> service, the service effectively doesn't exist.
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
> NNTP servers that allow posting from anyone are NOT "a service to
> the net." They do the net a disservice.
>
> Terminal servers have the same problems as open NNTP servers --
> they allow people who want to do illegal/immoral/unethical things
> on the Internet to do so without accountability.
>
> There are, by now, public access sites all over this country, if
> not all over the world, that allow very inexpensive access to the
> Usenet and the Internet. There is no reason for NNTP servers to
> allow anyone to post messages through them, and there is no
> reason for terminal servers to allow anyone to connect to them
> and then make outbound connections through them. Perhaps when it
> was harder to get to the Internet or the Usenet, open servers
> could be justified, but not now.
jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz):
> I think that what ... these points show clearly is that an
> anonymous posting service has a great deal of responsibility,
> both towards its clients and towards the Net as a whole. Such a
> service should (IMHO) have a set of well-defined rules and a
> contract that its clients should sign, under the terms of which
> they are assured anonymity.
From: an8785@anon.penet.fi
> Is the problem that some are used to "punishing" posters who are
> upsetting in some vague way by complaining to the (usually
> acquiescent) sysadmin or organizations that the poster belongs
> to? That surely is the most gutless approach to solving
> problems, but my experience on the net shows that the same users
> who vilify anonymous postings are the first to write obsessively
> detailed grievances to the poster's supervisor when his or her
> tranquility is disturbed by some "intrusive" or subversive post
> or another.
>
> Anonymous postings prevent just this kind of intimidation.
From: gandalf@cyberspace.org (Eric Schilling)
> The main point I would like to make here is that while we can go
> through and revise the news sw to "reject anon posts to technical
> newsgroups" or some such thing, I think the attempt will prove
> futile. Each attempt to modify news can result in a changed
> approach by anon service providers to thwart the change. I think
> this would be pointless.
From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius)
> I have tried to stay out of this discussion, and see where the
> discussion leads. But now I rally feel like I have to speak up.
> ... I have repeatedly made clear ... that I *do* block users if
> they continue their abuse after having been warned. In many cases
> the users have taken heed of the warning and stopped, and in some
> cases even apologized in public. And when the warning has not had
> the desired effect, I have blocked a number of users. I have also
> blocked access to groups where the readership has taken a vote to
> ban anonymous postings, although I feel changing the newsgroup
> status to moderated is the only permanent solution for newsgroups
> that want to "formalize" discussion.
red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew)
> Does this ... mean that you are volunteering to issue a Request
> For Discussion to ban anonymous postings or to moderate each of
> the 4000+ newsgroups that your server can reach? I don't think
> so, but this illustrates the trouble that your server is causing!
>
> please listen to the consensus of the news administrators in this
> group: any newsgroup should be consulted *before* letting your
> server post messages to that group.
From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
> There is no pompous "consensus of *the* news administrators"
> here - maybe you would like to invent one. There is a sizeable
> number of people who are concerned about the possible (and, to a
> minor extent, about the actual abuse of the server as it is
> configured now). These concerns are respectable; Johan is dealing
> with them. ... There are some (few) who rage with foam before
> their mouth and condemn the service altogether. And a number who
> defend it, pointing out, like Kate Gregory, that even a group
> like misc.kids. can benefit from pseudonymous postings.
From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius)
> I have answered a lot of personal mail related to server abuse,
> and as a result of that, blocked a number of abusive users. I
> have also withdrawn the service from several newsgroups where the
> users have taken a vote on the issue. I have not made any
> comments on news.admin.policy, partly because the
> newly-implemented password feature (as a emergency measure
> against a security hole) has kept me really busy answering user
> queries the last two weeks, and partly because I feel it is not
> for me to justify the service, but for the users. The problem
> with news.admin.policy is that the readership is rather elective,
> representing people whith a strong interest in centralised
> control.
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
> This seems to be a rather bigoted attitude. I would consider that
> this group is for anyone who wishes to discuss how the net should
> be controlled. Saying that we only have an interest in
> "centralized control" is a clear indication of bias. You are
> perfectly welcome to join in the discussions here to promote your
> views on control.
jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
> This whole debate is a lot of "sound and fury signifying nothing"
> because, even if you all decide to ban anonymous posting servers,
> it is not enforceable. The only people who conceivably could
> enforce retrictions are those that control the international
> links.
>
> Policy changes should be made by cooperation, not by attempting
> to dictate. ...you need to persuade those who run the services
> to act like this through friendly persuasion, not by trying to
> beat them over the head with a stick (especially a stick you
> don't even have).
spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
> I am finding this bias against pseudonymity boring. Our friend
> posting through penet has a point. The old guard would like to
> keep their network the way it always has been... and this new
> thing, these pseudonymous servers, cuts into their turf. So they
> whine and bitch about it, and every time there's the slightest
> abuse (such as somebody's .sig being too long), they try to
> parlay that into an argument against pseudonymity.
>
> I'll go on record as saying: three cheers for the admins at anon
> servers like penet, pax, and n7kbt... and for all the access
> service providers who are willing to preserve their clients
> privacy.
>
> And a pox on those who try to defeat and restrict pseudonymity.
mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
> I wouldn't help people get rid of anon postings as a group. If you
> don't like what someone says, then you put THAT anon address in
> your kill file, not all of them. Of course, if and when I get an
> anon site going, I'm just going to assign fake names like
> "jsmith" instead of "anon5564" to avoid most of the hassles.
> You'll never know it is anonymous will you?
From: anne@alcor.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett)
> I must admit to some astonishment at this argument. I see the
> value of anonymous postings under some circumstances, yet believe
> strongly that these should be identified as such, so that people
> who do not wish to read material from people who won't identify
> themselves, don't have to.
>
> I fail to see what good you would be accomplishing, and indeed
> surmise that you will cause many people inconvenience and
> annoyance, by hiding the anonymity of postings from your
> anonymous site. Would you care to justify where the hell you get
> the gall to try to prevent people from effectively filtering
> their news as they see fit?
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
> I thought I was out of reach here in Australia too. Unfortunately
> one of the US sites involved in the US/Aus feed complained to the
> Australian Academic Reasearch Network through whom my site is
> connected, not about anything in particular, just the concept of
> anonymous mail having no redeeming features and consuming a
> narrow bandwidth link (with which I can't argue) and that was
> that ... stop the service or face disconnection.
>
> I consider the demise of [my] service to have been rather
> unfortunate, and I wish the Finnish remailer luck ! It is a pity
> that there are very few if any similar services provided with in
> the US. I guess that's the benefit of having a constitution that
> guarantees one freedom of speech and a legal and political system
> that conspires to subvert it in the name of the public good.
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<8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi run by J. Helsingius?
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
> Funny, how beating the rest of the Usenet over the head with a
> stick is OK if it's anon.penet.fi and universal anon access. But
> somehow people on the other side of the same equation (not even
> arguing to shut it off entirely, but rather just to have some
> control applied to the abuses that manifest themselves) aren't
> allowed to do that.
>
> I have written to Johan several times in the last couple of
> weeks. He used to reply to me quite readily. After all, I was
> the source of the software as originally delivered to him -- he
> used to be downright _prompt_ about replying to me. Funny, now
> he's being an impolite bastard who doesn't answer mail _at_all_,
> even when it consists of really very civil queries.
From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius)
> In your mail you told me you sent me one or more messages on Feb.
> 8th. Feb 7th and 8th the server was down, and the flood of mail
> that resulted from the server coming up again crashed my own mail
> host. The problem was aggregated by an abusive user sending
> thousands of messages to another user, filling up that users
> mailbox. The bounce messages ended up in my mailbox, overflowing
> my local disk as well.
>
> I can only suppose that your message got lost in that hassle, as
> I have tried to answer as much as possible of the anon-related
> messages I get, from routine mis-addessed messages to complaints
> about the service. On the average I spend 4-5 hours per day
> answering anon-related messages.
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
> Why is it that everybody else has to put up with the impoliteness
> and insensitivity of the misuse of anon.penet.fi? Whose
> definitions of "polite" and "sense" apply, and why? Why is
> universal anon access considered to be within the realm of this
> fuzzy concept of "politeness" in the first place?
>
> I think Johan has long since crossed the line into being a rude
> bastard, and I told him so in private mail a little while ago.
>
> At this point, I deeply regret [a] having created an anonymous
> system supporting >1 newsgroup and [b] having given the code to
> Johan. I didn't copyright it, but I thought that some concept of
> politeness and good sense might follow it to new
> homes. Interesting that Johan's ideas of politeness and good
> sense seem to have nearly no interesection with mine. I could
> even cope with universal anon access _if_ Johan would be willing
> to engage in abuse control, but somehow that seems to be outside
> the range of reality...
From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius)
> There is no way for me to convey how sad and upset your message
> made me. I do, to some extent, understand your feelings, but it
> still feels really bad. Running the server requires getting used
> to a lot of flames, but mindlessly abusive hate mail is so much
> easier to deal with than something like this, as I do respect and
> value your views and opinions to a high degree. No, I'm not
> asking for sympathy, I just wanted you to know that I am really
> giving your views quite a lot of weight.
>
> When I asked for the software, I was actually only going to
> provide the service to scandinavian users. But a lot of people
> requested that I keep the service open to the international
> community. I now realize that I ought to have contacted you at
> that point to ask how you feel about me using your stuff in such
> a context. Again, I really want to apologise. And I will replace
> the remaining few pieces of code thet still stem from your
> system. Unfortunately there is no way to remove the ideas and
> structure I got from you.
>
> Again, I am really sorry that the results of your work ended up
> being used in a way that you don't approve of. And I will be
> giving a lot of hard thought to the possibility of shutting down
> the server alltogether.
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
> I think I'm feeling especially rude and impolite. If it's good
> for Johan, it's good for me. After all, he didn't ask the
> greater Usenet whether universal anon access was a good idea; he
> just did it. ... Yes, I'm a seriously rude pain in the ass now,
> and I think I'll arm the Usenet Death Penalty, slightly modified,
> not for strategic whole-site attack, but tactical assault, just
> "an[0-9]*@anon.penet.fi" destruction. Only outside alt.*, too,
> let's say.
>
> To parrot this line...people have been doing things like the UDP
> (that is, cancelling others' postings) for years, no one could
> ever stop them, and it's only politeness and good sense that has
> prevented them up to now.
>
> In fact, I have 8 people who have expressed privately the desire
> and ability to arm the UDP.
>
> ...
>
> PS- No, in fact there are not 8 newsadmins ready to arm the
> UDP. It would be amusing to know how many people gulped hard
> when they read that, though. I don't see it as any different
> from Johan's configuration.
>
> PPS- Now that I've calmed some fears by the above PS... There
> are 2 newsadmins ready to arm the UDP. They've asked for my
> code. I haven't sent it yet. Only one site would be necessary
> to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching halt. Anyone can
> implement the UDP on their own, if they care to. Politeness and
> good sense prevents them from doing so. I wonder how long before
> one form of impoliteness brings on another form.
From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius)
> It would be trivially easy to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching
> halt. In fact it has happened a couple of times already. But as
> we are talking threats here, let me make one as well. A very
> simple one. If somebody uses something like the UDP or
> maliciously brings down anon.penet.fi by some other means, it
> will stay down. But I will let the users know why. And name the
> person who did it. OK? As somebody said on this thread: "You have
> to take personal responsibility for your actions", right?
From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com ( 134 Atul V Salgaonkar)
> I am very grateful and appreciative of this service , courtesey of
> penet.fi. Some important questions about my personal
> life/career/job were resolved due to kind help of other people
> who had been thru similar situations. In return, I have also
> replied to anon postings where I thought I could make a positive
> contribution.
>
> In general, anon service is a great, in my opinion, although like
> any tool some people will not use it responsibly. I suggest that
> it should be kept alive. Wasting bandwidth is less important than
> saving lives, I think.
From: us273532@mmm.serc.3m.com (Elisa J. Collins)
> I have been informed that the anonymous posting service to many
> newsgroups has been turned off as a result of discussions in this
> newsgroup over people abusing it.
>
> I had been posting to a nontechnical misc newsgroup about an
> intimate topic for which I felt I required privacy. I have
> received immeasurable help from the people in that newsgroup, and
> I have never used anonymity to behave in an abusive, immature, or
> unethical fashion toward anyone.
>
> Please, folks, believe me, I *need* this service. Please
> consider my point of view and permit admin@anon.penet.fi to turn
> the service back on...
>
> Thank you.
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SEE ALSO
========
Part 1 (first file)
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<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet?
<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet?
<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background?
<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address?
<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet?
<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet?
<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet?
<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet?
<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks?
<2.4> How (in)secure is my account?
<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories?
<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows?
<2.7> How (in)secure is my email?
<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings?
<2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity?
<2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me?
<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet?
<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet?
<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet?
<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet?
<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet?
<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'?
<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'?
<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet?
<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet?
Part 2 (previous file)
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<4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy?
<4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography?
<4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list?
<4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs?
<4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)?
<4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy?
<4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer?
<4.8> What are references on privacy in email?
<4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies?
<4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program?
<5.1> What is ``digital cash''?
<5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''?
<5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''?
<5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools?
<5.5> What is `security through obscurity'?
<5.6> What are `identity daemons'?
<5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy?
<6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)?
<6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)?
<6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case?
<6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)?
<6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)?
<6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act?
<6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks?
<6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace?
<6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive?
<7.1> What is the background behind the Internet?
<7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language?
<7.3> Most Wanted list
<7.4> Change history
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This is Part 3 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous
FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or
newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days.
Written by L. Detweiler <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu>.
All rights reserved.
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Clarification: Easter
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
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In response to a lot of email I've gotten, I need to clarify my position.
I am not in favor of paganism.
I am not in favor of the Easter Bunny or other non-Christian aspects of
Easter as presently celebrated. (Incidentally, Easter eggs are not
non-Christian; they are a way of ending the Lenten fast.)
My point was to distinguish between
(1) intentionally worshipping a pagan deity, and
(2) doing something which may once have had pagan associations, but
nowadays is not understood or intended as such.
Many people who are doing (2) are being accused of (1).
It would be illogical to claim that one is "really" worshipping a
pagan deity without knowing it. Worship is a matter of intention.
One cannot worship without knowing that one is doing so.
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From: linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig)
Subject: Re: books/info on audio DSP ??
In-Reply-To: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk's message of 6 Apr 93 13:36:13 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: m2000.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Defense, Systems and Electronics Group.
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Distribution: rec,sci
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In article <C52DsD.7pB@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Chris Smith) writes:
> I'm looking to build a DSP for guitar processing. Hence lots of background
> information would be really useful !
>
> If anyone's got any info, could they email.....
Well, I'm not sure I'd use this to process a guitar but there was a audio
filter DSP construction article in the Sept 92 issue of QST magazine (Ham Radio
oriented). The DSP is available in kit form for about $120.
This particular DSP filter was targetted toward processing audio to remove
noise (static). I built it and it really works well. The source code is
available too. It makes a noisy audio signal much easier to hear. Note that
this is for communication applications and is not "high fidelity".
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon)
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
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With the popularity of minivans, the market room for station wagons is
squeezed out. They are not as comfortable as sedan, and don't carry as
much as the minivans.
This is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore. But the demand is certainly
hampered by the minivan, and may not be economical to build a product for.
Jason Chen
A station wagon owner
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From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: For Sale: Quicken 3.0 for the PC
Keywords: Accounting, Checking, Quicken
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
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In article <1pma84$hpk@suntan.ec.usf.edu> boneham@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Kevin Boneham (CH)) writes:
>In article <1pgvp1INN5ej@phakt.usc.edu> khoh@usc.edu (Oliver Muoto) writes:
>>I have for sale Quicken 3.0 (PC Version) that allows you to balance
> ^^^
>i assume you get new releases earlier than we do here? last i saw, version
>2.0 was the latest.
He is probably referring to the DOS version.. the dos versions is up
to like version 6 i think. The window version just came out recently
so it is only up to like version 2 or something.
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From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com
Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long)
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In article <930420.105805.0x8.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>>In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew
>><mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>> Which "liberal news media" are we talking about?
>>
>> Western news in general, but in particular the American "mass media":
>> CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole
>> war was one of "those poor, poor Iraqis" along with "look how precisely
>> this cruise missile blew this building to bits".
>
> Most odd. Over here there was very little about the suffering of the Iraqi
> civilians until towards the end of the war; and then it was confined to the
> few remaining quality newspapers.
True. At first, the news media seemed entranced by all the new gizmos
the military was using, not to mention the taped video transmissions from
the missiles as they zeroed in on their targets. But later, and especially
after the bunker full of civilians was hit, they changed their tone. It
seemed to me that they didn't have the stomach for the reality of war,
that innocent people really do die and are maimed in warfare. It's like
they were only pro-Gulf-War as long as it was "nice and clean" (smart
missiles dropping in on military HQs), but not when pictures of dead,
dying, and maimed civilians started cropping up. What naive hypocrites!
>
>>>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2?
>>>> I don't hear you bemoaning them!
[ discussion about blanket-bombing and A-bombs deleted.]
>>>
>> All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were
>> essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick
^^^^^^^^^
>> end to avoid even greater allied losses.
I should have said here "militarily justified". It seems from your
comments below that you understood this as meaning "morally justified".
I apologize.
>
> What about the evidence that America knew Japan was about to surrender after
> Hiroshima but *before* Nagasaki? Is that another lie peddled by the liberal
> media conspiracy?
I have often wondered about this. I've always thought that the first bomb
should have been dropped on Japan's island fortress of Truk. A good,
inpenatrable military target. The second bomb could've been held back
for use on an industrial center if need be. But I digress.
Yes, I have heard that we found evidence (after the war, BTW) that Japan
was seriously considering surrender after the first bomb. Unfortunately,
the military junta won out over the moderates and rejected the US's
ulimatum. Therefore the second bomb was dropped. Most unfortunate, IMO.
>
>> I, for one, don't regret it.
>
> Nuke a Jap for Jesus!
>
I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made
which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the
circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the
suffering caused by those decisions.
[...]
>>> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet?
>>> If Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks
>>> before we started bombing?
>>
>> I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the
>> West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America,
>> misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and
>> threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's
>> oil supply, he had to be stopped.
>
> Oh, I see. So we can overlook his using chemical weapons on thousands of
> people, but if he threatens your right to drive a huge gas-guzzling car,
> well, the man's gotta go.
Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US
and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other
back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't
care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured
in Kuwait (instead of an invasion), then we still wouldn't have acted
because there would not have been the imminent danger perceived to
Saudi Arabia. But the combination of the two, an unprovoked invasion
by a genocidal tyrant AND the potential danger to the West's oil
interests, caused us to take action.
>
> [ I've moved a paragraph from here to later on ]
>
[...]
>>
>> If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would
>> have been appeasement.
>
> Right. But did you ever hear anyone advocate such a course of action? Or
> are you just setting up a strawman?
>
I'm not setting up a strawman at all. If you want to argue against the
war, then the only logical alternative was to allow Hussein to keep
Kuwait. Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective.
>>>> I guess we
>>>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent
>>>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg.
>>>
>>> Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know.
>>
>> Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in
>> his grandiose quest for a "Thousand Year Reich". The consequences
>> stemmed from that.
>
> Translation: "They were asking for it".
>
Well, in a sense, yes. They probably had no idea of what end Hitler
would lead their nation to.
> But what about those who didn't support Hitler's dreams of conquest? It's
> not as if they democratically voted for all his policies. The NSDAP got 43%
> in the elections of 1933, and that was the last chance the German people got
> to vote on the matter.
They suffered along with the rest. Why does this bother you so much?
The world is full of evil, and circumstances are not perfect. Many
innocents suffer due to the wrongful actions of others. It it regretable,
but that's The-Way-It-Is. There are no perfect solutions.
[...]
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and
>>> Tibet.
>>
>> What should I say about them? Anything in particular?
>
> The people of East Timor are still being killed by a dictatorship that
> invaded their country. Hell, even Western journalists have been killed. All
> this was happening before the Gulf War. Why didn't we send in the bombers to
> East Timor? Why aren't we sending in the bombers NOW?
Probably because we're not the saviors of the world. We can't police each
and every country that decides to self-destruct or invade another. Nor
are we in a strategic position to get relief to Tibet, East Timor, or
some other places.
>
> [ Here's that paragraph I moved ]
>
>>> What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't
>>> doing a very good job of it.
>>
>> Well, it's not very "loving" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up
>> nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass
>> slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to
>> say yes, stopping Hussein was the most "loving" thing to do for the
>> most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest.
>
> The Chinese government has a policy of mandatory abortion and sterilization
> of Tibetans. Tibetan people are rounded up, tortured, and executed. Amnesty
> International recently reported that torture is still widespread in China.
>
> Why aren't we stopping them? In fact, why are we actively sucking up to them
> by trading freely with them?
Tell me how we could stop them and I'll support it. I, for one, do not
agree with the present US policy of "sucking up to them" as you put it.
I agree that it is deplorable.
>
>>>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why*
>>>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of "not guilty"?
>>>
>>> Yes. Amongst the things I thought were "Hmm, there's an awful lot of white
>>> people in that jury."
>>
>> So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!!
>
> Erm, surely it's irrelevant who's on trial? Juries are supposed to represent
> a cross-section of the population.
Are they? Or are they supposed to reflect the population of the locale
where the trial is held? (Normally this is where the crime is committed
unless one party or the other can convince the judge a change of venue
is in order.) I'm not an expert on California law, or even US law, but
it seems that this is the way the system is set up. You can criticize
the system, but let's not have unfounded allegations of racial
prejudice thrown around.
>
>> And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers!
>
> You are saying that black people are not the peers of white people?
No, not at all. The point is that the fact that there were no blacks
on the first jury and that Rodney King is black is totally irrelevant.
>
>> This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow.
>
> This idea of people only being tried before a jury of people just like them
> is really stupid. Should the Nuremburg trials have had a jury entirely made
> up of Nazis?
Germans, perhaps. "Peers" doesn't mean "those who do the same thing",
like having murderers judge murderers. It means "having people from
the same station in life", presumably because they are in a better
position to understand the defendent's motivation(s).
>
>>>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those
>>>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape.
>>>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I
>>>> have not seen.
>>>
>>> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on
>>> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have
>>> been.
>>
>> So? It's "hard to imagine"? So when has Argument from Incredulity
>> gained acceptance from the revered author of "Constructing a Logical
>> Argument"?
>
> We're not talking about a logical argument. We're talking about a court of
> law. As the FAQ points out, some fallacious arguments are not viewed as
> fallacies in a court of law.
OK, granted. However, you are using this reasoning as part of *your*
logical argument in this discussion. This is not a court of law.
>
>> If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then
>> I feel the "not guilty" verdict was a reasonable one.
>
> Were you not talking earlier about the bias of the liberal media conspiracy?
>
The media is not totally monolithic. Even though there is a prevailing
liberal bias, programs such as the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour try to give
a balanced and fair reporting of the news. There are even conservative
sources out there if you know where to look. (Hurrah for Rush!)
BTW, I never used the word "conspiracy". I don't accept (without *far*
more evidence) theories that there is some all-pervading liberal
conspiracy attempting to take over all news sources.
>>> "Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing,
>>> in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way,
>>> as unfortunately it cannot be helped."
>>> -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians
>>
>> Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a
>> Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.)
>>
>> Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem
>> contradictory. But then, you know that already.
>
> Ha ha, only serious.
>
> I, an atheist, am arguing against killing innocent people.
>
> You, a supposed Christian, are arguing that it's OK to kill innocent people
> so long as you get some guilty ones as well.
Hardly. I didn't say that it's a Good Thing [tm] to kill innocent people
if the end is just. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and
there are no perfect solutions. If one is going to resist tyranny, then
innocent people on both sides are going to suffer and die. I didn't say
it is OK -- it is unfortunate, but sometimes necessary.
>
> I, a moral relativist, am arguing that saturation bombing of German cities at
> the end of World War II was (as far as I can see) an evil and unnecessary act.
I would agree that it was evil in the sense that it caused much pain
and suffering. I'm not so sure that it was unnecessary as you say. That
conclusion can only be arrived at by evaluating all the factors involved.
And perhaps it *was* unnecessary as (let's say) we now know. That doesn't
mean that those who had to make the decision to bomb didn't see it as
being necessary. Rarely can one have full known of the consequences of
an action before making a decision. At the time it may have seemed
necessary enough to go ahead with it.
But don't assume that I feel the bombing was *morally* justified -- I
don't! I just don't condemn those who had to make a difficult
decision under difficult circumstances.
>
> You, having criticised moral relativism in the past, are now arguing that I am
> in no position to judge the morality of allied actions at the end of the
> War.
You certainly are not in such a position if you are a moral relativist.
I, as an absolutist, am in a position to judge, but I defer judgment.
> You are arguing that the actions need to be assessed in the particular
> context of the time, and that they might have been moral then but not moral
> now.
Wrong. They were neither moral then nor now. They seemed necessary to
those making the decisions to bring a quick end to the war. I simply
refuse to condemn them for their decision.
>
> Where's your Christian love? Where's your absolute morality? Oh, how quick
> you are to discard them when it suits you. As Ivan Stang would say, "Jesus
> would puke!"
One day I will stand before Jesus and give account of every word and action;
even this discourse in this forum. I understand the full ramifications of
that, and I am prepared to do so. I don't believe that you can make the
same claim.
>
> mathew
And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was
because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being
"so deplorable". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing
wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a
decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War,
precision bombing was the norm. So the point was, why make a big
stink about the relatively few civilian casualties that resulted
*in spite of* precision bombing, when so many more civilians
(proportionately and quantitatively) died under the blanket bombing
in WW2? Even with precision bombing, mistakes happen and some
civilians suffer. But less civilians suffered in this war than
any other iany other in history! Many Iraqi civilians went about their lives
with minimal interference from the allied air raids. The stories
of "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk.
Yes, bunk. The US lost 230,000 servicemen in WW2 over four years
and the majority of them were directly involved in fighting! But
we are expected to swallow that "hundreds of thousands" of
*civilian* Iraqis died in a war lasting about 2 months! And with
the Allies using the most precise bombs ever created at that!
What hogwash. If "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi civilians died,
it was due to actions Hussein took on his own people, not due to
the Allied bombing.
Regards,
Jim B.
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Use of codine in narcolepsy.
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 18
In article <1993Mar26.005148.7899@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> stevel@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lancaster) writes:
>3) Is there any way around the scheduled drug mess so that he can use
>just the substance that works and not one adulterated with Tylenol?
>Can the MD perscribe a year long supply on one script? His doctor
>basically refused to prescribe it, saying "His clinic does not prescribe
>controled substances. Its is 'company' rule.!"
>
Short of changes by the feds, there is no way. Codeine alone is very
difficult to prescribe without a lot of hassles. Tylenol #3 is the
best compromise. That way he can get refills. The amount of acetominophen
he is getting with his codeine won't hurt him any.
--
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Nazi Armenian Philosophy: Race above everything and before everything.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 155
In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
> Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART
> of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and
> review the HISTORY.
If a 'dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky.
Did you know that the word 'Karabag' itself is a 'Turkish' name?
Before 1827, before the Russians and their 'zavalli kole' Armenians,
drove all the Turks/Muslims out, it was a Turkish majority town. Well,
anyway, it is not surprising that Armenians also collaborated with the
Nazis.
"Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously
pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,
as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and
anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]
[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,'
Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.
As a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots)
was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in
Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but
had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally
Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect
of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian
who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II.
In 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central
Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the
American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local
Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20
chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters
and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization.
Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy:
"The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity.
Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first."[1]
[1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), "The
Armenian Displaced Persons," in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter,
1949-50, p. 19, footnote.
Now wait, there is more.
THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians
in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about
600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the
four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh.
The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials
and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid
workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates.
The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of
the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control
of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations
in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting
retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the
dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first
suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku.
Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken
Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000
dead.
The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a
15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the "Hojali
Disaster", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on
preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman
Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in
the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more
than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700
dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman
of the Azeri Ministry of Defence.
FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International
Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of
Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque
from Hojali, most of them civilians. "We did not count the
bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy," Mr
Zen Ruffinen said. "We have some idea since we gave the body bags
and products to wash the dead."
Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the
number of dead in the massacre. "Don't get worked up. It will
take several months to get a final figure," the 43-year-old
lawyer said at his small office.
Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to
reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714
wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist
uprising in Baku in January 1990.
Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power
three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly
what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70
miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians.
Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being
the number of people that could be medically examined by the
republic's forensic department. "This is just a small percentage
of the dead," said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic
scientist. "They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the
chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury
our dead within 24 hours."
Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14
years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and
axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland
snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of
deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises
cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's
report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those
believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said.
Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still
disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six
policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the
names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The
most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far
comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a
helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27
February.
"There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to
count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream
and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village," Mr
Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter
pilot.
"People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and
one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was
pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but
Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to
return."
There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in
circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few
months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali
at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages
taken over by Armenian forces.
THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Motor Voter
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 12
>kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>> When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy
>> was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do
>> you think I am now?
And we all hope, Teddy, that you will graduate from the first grade
while Clinton is President. Keep trying.
--
Disclaimer: :remialcsiD
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From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller)
Subject: RESULTS of Mathematica Speed Tests!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 84
Well, here are the results of the Mathematica test which I posted to
this newsgroup. The "test" was the following command:
>Plot3D[((-2*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-5000)^2+(y-8000)^2+
>81000000)^1.5))+((-3*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-10000)^2+
>(y-1000)^2+81000000)^1.5))+((4*2000)/(2*3.1416*
>((x-7000)^2+(y-10000)^2+4000000)^1.5)),
>{x,-5500,19500},{y,-5500,19500},PlotPoints->50]
I was just curious how fast the plot command would be executed on
various Macintosh machines as well as other personal computers and
workstations. The results are posted below:
Machine System Math vers. # of trials time, min
PB 170 7.0.0 with 2.1 2 2:08
tuneup/8MB
RAM/5MB for
Mathematica
DEC 5000 Ultrix v4.2a 2.1 for 1 0:25
DEC RISC
IIsi 7.1/cache@96MB 1.2f33Enh. 1 4:30
25MHz/5MB RAM/
3MB for Math./
w/ 68882
C650 7.1/8MB RAM 2 0:32
Q800 8MB/Cache@384/ 1.2 1:01
4MB for Math.
Sparc SunOS4.1.3 0:14
Station 40MB RAM
SGI Iris/4D R3000 RISC <0:01
processor
version
Sparc SunOS4.1.2 2.1 0:26
Station2
IIsi 7.1 3:15
NeXT NeXTSTEP 2.1 1.2 2:38
Cube 68030 based/
w/ coprocessor
NeXT NeXTSTEP 3.0 1.2 5(ave) 0:52
Cube 68040/25MHz/
20 MB RAM
IIsi 17MB/8MB for 2.102 Enha 3:15
Math.
w/ 68882
NeXT 16MB RAM/ 1 0:37
25 MHz 040/
Workspace
Manager 2.1
Funny how the IIsi running at 25 MHz is slower than other equivalent
machines, lots slower in fact. Perhaps the version of Mathematica
makes a difference or the fact that not much RAM was allocated.
Another interesting thing is how fast the SGI did it. Wow.
Basically, though, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this data. It
seems that Mathematica's speed is dependant on a lot of variables. I
was just curious how different machines would measure up.
Well, if you have any questions or if I forgot something, just drop me
a line at "cmmiller@iastate.edu".
Chad
PS If the spacing of the above table doesn't come out right on your
machine, tell me and I'll mail you a copy of this in a binhexed Word
5.1 document.
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From: mark@luke.cray.com (Mark Dean)
Subject: Re: Ford and the auto
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29970]: luke.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: crayce1@pops.navo.navy.mil
Organization: Cray Research
Lines: 20
> Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry
> Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is
> partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of
> the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks.
>So would Mr. Benz.. -Eh?
>And Mr. Chevy, Mr. Toyokogio, and Mr (Insert Car name here...)
>---
>Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - Eat Your Pets - Poke Out Your Eyes - Kill Your
>Boss - Burn Down Your House - Move To Elmer NJ - Rip Out Your Nose Hairs With
>A Lead Holder - Use X-Acto Knives For Dental Work - Hit Your Mother.......
People get a life !!!!!!!!!!
MD
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From: mhald@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mark Hald)
Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 13
I booked a hotel (Red Roof Inn) last week in Cincinnati (Blue Ash, which
is at the northern tip of the metro. Cincy area). I chose it for a few
reasons.
1. All hotels in and near Dayton were booked solid.
2. This hotel is only costing $28/night.
3. It was one of about 4 rooms left on the night I reserved.
4. Cincinnati probably has more to to at night than Dayton. I intend
to hit the riverboat entertainment at dusk!
If anyone has other suggestions for nightlife, please let me know of
other hot spots. Thanks!
Mark
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From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds)
Subject: Help with Magitronic 8 bit memory card needed!
Organization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated.
Lines: 16
Hi!
I'm busy resurrecting some old machines (hey, they're cheap and they
work :)) and would be grateful for any help with the following card -
Magitronic - full length 8 bit memory only card.
Has room for 8 rows of 256K dips for a total of 2MB RAM.
Has an 8 position dip switch on it, presumably for addressing.
Does any kind soul out there have any docs or drivers for this beast?
I'd be disgustingly grateful.
Thanks,
Lee.
(lee@tosspot.sv.com)
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From: mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)))
Organization: San Diego State University
Lines: 36
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsvax.sdsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
In article <aldridgeC5tH63.7yA@netcom.com>, aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldri writes...
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
etc. ...
>
>Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's
>often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of
>non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal
>evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person,
>but it's still no more than a guess.
>It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those
>people who don't respond.
>
Dyer is beyond rude.
There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own
knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what
the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook.
For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several
past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional
deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics.
My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous:
After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased.
When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed.
I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then.
* Mike McCurdy
* University Computing Services Disclaimer:
* San Diego State University
* mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu "Everything I say may be wrong"
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't
>have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
>
>[...] Any stories on how you all learned?
I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do.
Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on
his old Honda CB360T. He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I
actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride.
I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and
rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker. Then I decided to
invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move). Sometime around then
I also passed my road test.
On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a
4-mile trip. Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb),
I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late,
skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the
oncoming lane of traffic. Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was
also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under
a car and been killed.
Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the
Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training
could have helped me greatly. In your case the need is even greater
since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff
as I did.
So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing. I
wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you
happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until
you're ready to use it.
>1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
>to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
>ignorant to know I need to buy)
While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in
DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you
save up some more money to start out right? Say $300 for riding gear,
plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure
the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up
machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration
and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not
including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance.
>2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)
I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200
in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial
coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be
poor. I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo
more expensive.
>3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?
There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle
magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or
recent models might be available. You could probably look through
past issues to size up what used bikes might be available. (My first
bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice
instead.) Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that
are parked on the street. I basically settled on my present bike by
noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around
and they were generally set up the way I wanted.
Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting
showrooms. Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping,
were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and
quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence
cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales.
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.
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From: susan+@andrew.cmu.EDU (Susan Straub)
Subject: REGISTRATION: Andrew Tutorial & Technical Conference
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu
1993 Andrew Tutorial
and
Technical Conference
When: Thursday and Friday, June 24 and 25, 1993
(Deadline for Registration: June 4, 1993)
Where: Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Sponsor: Andrew Consortium of CMU's School of Computer Science.
Schedule: The Tutorial will be on Thursday, followed by dinner and the
Annual Meeting. The Conference proper will be on Friday. All
Conference attendees are welcome at the Annual Meeting.
Wednesday, June 23
Check in: After 4:00 PM
Informal Reception: 7:30 PM
Thursday, June 24
Tutorial: 9:00 A.M. - 5:00 PM
Conference Dinner: 6:30 PM
Annual meeting: 8:00 PM
Friday, June 25
Technical Conference: 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM
Cost:
Tutorial fee includes breaks, lunch and tutorial materials: $100
Conference fee includes conference dinner, breaks and proceedings: $100
Rooms (student housing): $50 / night
Housing is tight around the campus area, so please register soon. If you
prefer to stay in off-campus housing, please contact us for suggestions.
Mary Anne Cowden will be handling registration. You can contact her by
email, mc8b+@andrew.cmu.edu, or by phone, (412) 268-6710.
Registration Form
Please complete the attached form and return it to:
Mary Anne Cowden
Andrew Consortium Technical Conference
Carnegie Mellon University
Smith Hall 106
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.
Organization: sgi
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In article <1993Apr3.153552.4334@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes:
|> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes
>
> Well, Germany was hardly the ONLY country to discriminate against the
> Jews, although it has the worst reputation because it did the best job
> of expressing a general European dislike of them. This should not turn
> into a debate on antisemitism, but you should also point out that Luther's
> antiSemitism was based on religious grounds, while Hitler's was on racial
> grounds, and Wagnmer's on aesthetic grounds. Just blanketing the whole
> group is poor analysis, even if they all are bigots.
I find these to be intriguing remarks. Could you give us a bit
more explanation here? For example, which religion is anti-semitic,
and which aesthetic?
jon.
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 9
In article <1993Apr14.152328.15997@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>There may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary. But take
>them away entirely?
Yeah, you're right. Doing away with speed limits would just
mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the
revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists.
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From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention
Summary: Update on events.
Keywords: update, report, `Woof!'
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Disclaimer: Sometime tonight, Brandy the WonderDog will turn 11 years old.
You can e-mail your presents (he likes rawhide chewy toys) to
the address above.
Lines: 73
There were some recent developments in the dispute about Masonry among
Southern Baptists. I posted a summary over in bit.listserv.christia, and
I suppose that it might be useful here. Note that I do not necessarily
agree or disagree with any of what follows: I present it as information.
*
For a short summary: a Southern Baptist named Larry Holly wrote a book
claiming that Freemasonry is a religion incompatible with Christianity.
(Mr Holly's father rejects Christianity, and Mr Holly blames that on the
Masons.)
The SBC's Home Missions Board includes an interfaith witness department,
which studies other religions and how to teach them about Christ. A few
years ago, they were ordered to produce a report on Masonry: they concluded
that it was not a religion, and therefore was outside their speciality.
However, Mr Holly led a movement of people who oppose Masonry, and
last year the Convention again ordered the HMB to study Masonry. (I got the
feeling that they were saying "You got the wrong answer last time, try to
do better and get the answer we want.")
Anyway, there's been a bit of infighting and some inappropriate actions, but
the dust has settled and the report is in. Nobody is entirely happy with it,
but everybody seems willing to live with it. Both sides are saying things
such as: "This was the best we were going to get in the current environment."
The report commends the Masons for the charity work they do, such as the
hospitals and burn centers they operate, as well as efforts to help the
elderly and prevent drug abuse. The report acknowledges that many well-
known Christians are and have been Masons, and notes that many teachings
of Masonry are "supportive of Christian faith and practice". Examples of
the latter include belief in God, emphases on honesty and integrity, and
that some Masonic lodges incorporate explicit Christian beliefs.
On the other hand, they note that some aspects of Masonry are incompatible
with Southern Baptist principles. These included the use of titles which some
people consider sacrilegious, the taking of certain oaths (even though they
are not meant seriously), the "undeniably pagan and/or occultic" writings of
some Masonic leaders, the implication in some Masonic writings that salvation
can be achieved by good works, and the racial discrimination practiced by many
Masonic lodges. (I note with some chagrin that Baptist churches as a whole
aren't really in a place to speak on this last point.)
The report concludes that Masonry is not a religion, and says that membership
should not be endorsed or censured, but left to the discretion of individuals.
This was in part because there is variation among different Masonic Lodges,
and while one may include elements strongly against Christianity, another may
not. Many Southern Baptists have strong convictions about the priesthood of
the believer and the autonomy of the local church, and this history probably
influenced how the report came out.
*
The information above was gleaned from "The Religious Herald", a publication
of the Baptist General Association of Virginia, and "Baptists Today", which
does not have any direct links to a religious organisation. (Autonomy is a
big issue among some Baptists. 8-)
Because I have neither the report itself, nor whatever Masonic documents are
relevant to these issues, none of the above comes with a guarantee. Your
mileage may vary. Void where prohibited.
Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
Milton: "We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq,
cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then
sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk
chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose."
Praline: "That's as may be, it's still a frog."
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From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)
Subject: Delaunay Triangulation
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu
Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?
Is there any reference to it?
Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage?
Thanks in advance.
Yeh
USC
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From: barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan Barrett)
Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
Organization: Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.ee.und.ac.za
In article <C5qy3M.DE3@agora.rain.com>,
jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes:
> Since the wiretap chip is being distributed internationally,
> allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments,
> companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens,
> this is a world-wide issue. Please put DISTRIBUTION: WORLD on the
> Distrubution: line. Thank you.
No! Distribution keywords are case sensitive. What you want
is
Distribution: world
or no Distribution line at all. "WORLD" in capital letters is wrong.
--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za
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From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen)
Subject: To yhe one who wants fonts in POV/POLYRAY/VIVID
Lines: 28
Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
To everyone who wants fonts in Vivid/POV/Polyray.
The Borland BGI font converter is VVFONT18.ZIP.
This program can be found on FTP.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE directory
pub/dkbtrace/utils.
Also WUARCHIVE has mirrored this site (directory graphics/graphics/mirrors/
ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/pub/dkbtrace/utils.
There are more nice utilities present in this directory.
A new version of Polyray 1.6 (for those asked for it) can be found on the
same sites but in the directory INCOMING instead of UTILS (PLY16386).
Also in this directory POVSHELL and PV3DV060 could be found.
Have a nive raytrace time.
Peter
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils)
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
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Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says:
>>Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ...
>
>I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed.
Why? I'm calling this Penguins ... in 6. Only that with the way
things stand, the only radio game at that hour is from the Devils
on WABC, 770 AM. It'd be nice to have a Sony Watchman, but ...
No need to be paranoid, Robbie. Don't judge me by my geographic
coordinates ...
Jets over Nordiques in the final ... 7.
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)
Subject: WH proposal from Police point of view
Reply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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It might pay to start looking at what this proposal might mean to a
police agency. It just might be a bad idea for them, too.
OK, suppose the NY State Police want to tap a suspect's phone. They
need a warrant, just like the old days. But unlike the old days, they
now need to
(a) get two federal agencies to give them the two parts of
the key.
Now, what happens if there's a tiff between the two escrow houses?
Posession/release of keys becomes a political bargaining chit. State
and lower-level police agencies have to watch the big boys play politics,
while potentially good leads disappear, lives and property are lost,
statutes of limitations run out, etc. Not to mention: a moderately
clever person who suspects the police are after her/him will be buying
new phones faster than tap requests can be processed. Or using stolen
ones. [Will the Turing Police come and arrest you for transmitting
without a dialing license?]
There's also bureacracy and security problems -- within each escrow house,
how will requests for key disclosure be authenticated? Put in enough
safeguards of the kind bureaucrats and activists feel comfortable with, and
it might take a LONG time to get that key. [Even when a request is approved,
how is the key going to be disclosed? Will it be encrypted by a Clipper-type
chip for transmission? In a bureaucracy the size of the Federal
Government, with a databank of the necessary size, and data traffic of
the projected volume, there's going to be a lot of weak links. How many of
these kinds of problems will be open for public or "expert" scrutiny?]
Furthermore, the Feds might be leery of handing completed keys around,
even to State Police agencies: a trust and security issue. This would be
an especially acute issue if some other State's Police had mishandled a
key, resulting in lawsuits, financial settlements, and political
embarassment. So, the Feds implement it this way:
(b) some federal agency gets the keys, performs the tap, and
turns the results over to the NY State Police.
But let's say Cuomo's been causing some problems over a Clinton
Aid-To-Urban-Areas proposal. Or there just happens to be a turf war
going on between the State cops and the Justice department on a case.
Now, not only do we have the keys as a political chit, we have an
extra player in the game *and* we have the tap's tapes as another
bargaining chit. Again, the State Police lose.
I understand that (legal) wiretaps are quite expensive to maintain. In
scenario (b), who pays the bill?
+========================================================================+
| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |
| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |
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| "Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six" |
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From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
Subject: Re: "Fake" virtual reality
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) writes:
>The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the
>"Virtual Reality Clothing Company" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As
>far as I can tell it's just another "chic" clothes spot. Although it would be
>interesting if they were selling "virtual clothing"....
>E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get
>some promotional lit.
I understand there have been a couple of raves in LA billing themselves as
"Virtual Reality" parties. What I hear they do is project .GIF images around
on the walls, as well as run animations through a Newtek Toaster.
Seems like we need to adopt the term Really Virtual Reality or something, except
for the non-immersive stuff which is Virtually Really Virtual Reality.
etc.
>MP
>(8^)-
___Samuel___
--
_________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______
Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a
summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,
where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
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From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Lines: 47
In article <C5wB46.I3o@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...
>In article <22APR199307534304@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country,
>>> rather than the third world]
>>> [Ken says intervention in Somalia is a counter-example]
>>I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military
>>intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed
>>to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was
>>not nearly as risky.
>
>Based on the same reasons? You mean you were opposed to US intervention in
>Somalia because since Somalia is a European country instead of the third world,
>the desire to help Somalia is racist? I don't think this "same reason" applies
>to Somalia at all.
No, you have completely misunderstood. I was opposed to intervention in
Somalia for the same reason I am opposed to intervention in Bosnia - there is
no security interest of the United States there which justifies risking the
lives of American servicemen, and there are too many crises in the world for us
to take on all of them. In the case of Bosnia, the risks are obviously much
greater, and there are other countries in a much better position and with far
better reasons to take action than the US.
>The whole point is that Somalia _is_ a third world country, and we were more
>willing to send troops there than to Bosnia--exactly the _opposite_ of what
>the "fixation on European countries" theory would predict. (Similarly, the
>desire to help Muslims being fought by Christians is also exactly the opposite
>of what that theory predicts.)
You continue to misunderstand. I did not say the reason why people want to
intervene is because of racist (<- you seem to be overly fond of using this
word, btw. I said the phenomenon was race-related, which is not the same as
racist. Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for you to grasp) motives - I
said the attention and outrage at the entire Yugoslavian situation was a result
of it being 1) closer to home, 2) happening to people we can identify with, and
3) relentlessly harped on by the media. I never said anything about which side
would be preferred, which has a lot more to do with the presentation of the
conflict than any psychological factors. I think there is no doubt that despite
the fact we intervened in Somalia, the level of attention devoted to there was
considerably less than what is devoted to Bosnia, if the newspapers and tv news
I see are any guide.
Dave
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From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Subject: Re: What is Zero dB????
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Lines: 10
In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes:
> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus
> our use of the Ohms...
Yeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite.
Rich
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From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Sick and tired (was Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter)
Article-I.D.: shelley.1pqiubINNmht
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
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In article <1993Apr4.054843.22307@mks.com> richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) writes:
>Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular
>employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay
>his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva-
>sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court
>with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally
>voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why
>not; why haven't you?
Unless I've got my notes mixed up, 939 F.2d 499 comes close to this.
Regular guy. Blue-collar worker at a regular company. Hauled into
court. Convicted. Appeals to 7th circuit. Makes all the right
arguments (his brief is cited by Mr. Teel as an example of a
"winning" brief). Shot down, 3-zip by the 7th circuit. Appeals to
the Supreme Court. And...
...Certiorari denied. Defendant goes to jail. Oh well.
--Tim Smith
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
Summary: Hi. Please read this before you post.
Keywords: FAQ, atheism
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
Supersedes: <19930413094109@mantis.co.uk>
Lines: 145
Archive-name: atheism/overview
Alt-atheism-archive-name: overview
Last-modified: 5 April 1993
Version: 1.2
Overview
Welcome to alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated.
This is the first in a series of regular postings aimed at new readers of the
newsgroups.
Many groups of a 'controversial' nature have noticed that new readers often
come up with the same questions, mis-statements or misconceptions and post
them to the net. In addition, people often request information which has
been posted time and time again. In order to try and cut down on this, the
alt.atheism groups have a series of five regular postings under the following
titles:
1. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers
2. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism
3. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
4. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument
5. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources
This is article number 1. Please read numbers 2 and 3 before posting. The
others are entirely optional.
If you are new to Usenet, you may also find it helpful to read the newsgroup
news.announce.newusers. The articles titled "A Primer on How to Work With
the Usenet Community", "Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet"
and "Hints on writing style for Usenet" are particularly relevant. Questions
concerning how news works are best asked in news.newusers.questions.
If you are unable to find any of the articles listed above, see the "Finding
Stuff" section below.
Credits
These files could not have been written without the assistance of the many
readers of alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. In particular, I'd like to
thank the following people:
kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge)
perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry)
NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken)
chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey)
jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold)
torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf)
roe2@quads.uchicago.edu (Greg Roelofs)
arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson)
dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)
mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
ajr@bigbird.hri.com (Andy Rosen)
stoesser@ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan)
lippard@ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
s1b3832@rigel.tamu.edu (S. Baum)
ydobyns@phoenix.princeton.edu (York H. Dobyns)
schroede@sdsc.edu (Wayne Schroeder)
baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
D_NIBBY@unhh.unh.edu (Dana Nibby)
dempsey@Kodak.COM (Richard C. Dempsey)
jmunch@hertz,elee.calpoly.edu (John David Munch)
pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
rz@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Richard Zach)
tycchow@math.mit.edu (Tim Chow)
simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)
...and countless others I've forgotten.
These articles are free. Truly free. You may copy them and distribute them
to anyone you wish. However, please send any changes or corrections to the
author, and please do not re-post copies of the articles to alt.atheism; it
does nobody any good to have multiple versions of the same document floating
around the network.
Finding Stuff
All of the FAQ files *should* be somewhere on your news system. Here are
some suggestions on what to do if you can't find them:
1. Check the newsgroup alt.atheism. Look for subject lines starting with
"Alt.Atheism FAQ:".
2. Check the newsgroup news.answers for the same subject lines.
If you don't find anything in steps 1 or 2, your news system isn't set up
correctly, and you may wish to tell your system administrator about the
problem.
3. If you have anonymous FTP access, connect to rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27].
Go to the directory /pub/usenet/alt.atheism, and you'll find the latest
versions of the FAQ files there.
FTP is a a way of copying files between networked computers. If you
need help in using or getting started with FTP, send e-mail to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with
send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq
in the body.
4. There are other sites which also carry news.answers postings. The article
"Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup" carries a list of these
sites; the article is posted regularly to news.answers.
5. If you don't have FTP, send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
consisting of the following lines:
send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources
send usenet/alt.atheism/faq
send usenet/alt.atheism/introduction
send usenet/alt.atheism/logic
send usenet/alt.atheism/resources
5. (Penultimate resort) Send mail to mail-server@mantis.co.uk consisting of
the following lines:
send atheism/faq/faq.txt
send atheism/faq/logic.txt
send atheism/faq/intro.txt
send atheism/faq/resource.txt
and our poor overworked modems will try and send you a copy of the files.
There's other stuff, too; interesting commands to try are "help" and
"send atheism/index".
6. (Last resort) Mail mathew@mantis.co.uk, or post an article to the
newsgroup asking how you can get the FAQ files. You should only do this
if you've tried the above methods and they've failed; it's not nice to
clutter the newsgroup or people's mailboxes with requests for files.
it's better than posting without reading the FAQ, though! For instance,
people whose email addresses get mangled in transit and who don't have
FTP will probably need assistance obtaining the FAQ files.
mathew
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From: nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan)
Subject: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
X-Posted-From: nova.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu
Lines: 12
Hi,
has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there
is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes
when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in
HP X/motif that perform the same function.
any help is appreciated.
nui chan
nchan@ctr.columbia.edu
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From: bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Lines: 31
smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller) writes:
>Even properly controlled studies (e.g. double blind studies) are almost
>useless if you are trying to prove that something does not affect anyone.
-- and --
>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of
>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving
>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the
>most likely explanation for events.
>
Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of
Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and
advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and
there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work.
People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do
this sort of study well.
Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug
or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised
at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable,
reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover.
The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors,
and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I
would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS
student in a thesis.
--bruce
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: A surfeit of offense?
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Lines: 35
Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
In article <1qi008INNphe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
> In article <1993Apr14.160447.17835@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> >Last year the American League scored 9802 runs in 1134 games, for a
> >total of 8.6 runs per game, with 1.0 HR/game. Through Tuesday, the AL
> >has 477 runs in 48 games, for a total of 9.9 runs per game, and a
> >total of 1.7 HR/game. In 1987 there were 9.8 runs per game, and 2.3
> >HR/game.
>
> >The big question: How significant is this? Have we returned to 1987?
> >Or is this just a minor abberation?
> >
> >Some thoughts:
>
> >d) I thought offense was generally down in April, rising as the
> >weather got warm and pitchers got tired. This may be a bigger
> >abberation from the norm than it seems.
>
> 1. I don't get a feeling that the weather has been an issue this year.
> There doesn't seem to be a really cold spell in North America which
> does makes it harder to hit (not to mention making the ball carry less)
You obviously did not watch the Twins in Chicago.
No cold spell? It's been snowing most of the week in Minnesota.
(5 inches in Duluth last weekend)
> I would still put things under the too early to tell category.
Yup.
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint
Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Lines: 34
In <wfnMBJG00WBOE3L2c0@andrew.cmu.edu> Srinagesh Gavirneni <sg48+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k
>and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said
>it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He
>said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it
>had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He
>quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30
>outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor
>is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it
>malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy
>sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also,
>did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also,
>what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction.
> Any help would be greatly apprecisted
> Thanks
I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it. I'd driven it since
the previous July, putting 20k miles on it. The sensor light used to
light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it.
My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment,
so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement. Performance (hah,
if you could call it that) did not change. Perhaps emissions increased,
but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce?
That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand! Has
anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant? Just curious...
Adam Edwards
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)
Subject: Space Clippers launched
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Organization: [via International Space University]
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
Distribution: sci
Lines: 14
> SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY
When I first saw this, I thought for a second that it was a headline from
The Star about the pliers found in the SRB recently.
Y'know, sometimes they have wire-cutters built in :-)
-Tommy Mac
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18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.
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Subject: POV file constructor for Unix/X11
From: Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (chumphre)
Reply-To: chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington. New Zealand
NNTP-Posting-Host: regent.comp.vuw.ac.nz
Lines: 13
Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic
package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Later'ish
Craig
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|/ \/ \| you can't prove anything."
_ccc_c_#_|__#_ccc_c_____chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz_______________________________
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From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)
Subject: Re: Young Catchers
Article-I.D.: netcom.mssC52qMx.768
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 86
In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:
>>
>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact
>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball.
>
>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we
>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our
>decisions on.
Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really?
>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after
>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an
>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot.
I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or
exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about
1993, you know.
>
>As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the
>minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't
>believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good
>season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent
>season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to
>use.
If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting
acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price
that season. Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road.
Do you really think they would have done what they did if they
were competing for a pennant?
>
>>>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring
>>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full
>>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove
>>>his worth?
>>
>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he
>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager
>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him
>down "until he gets warmed up".
For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring
training. Did you notice who he got those 10 (!) hits off of, or
are you going to tell me that it doesn't make a difference?
>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA,
>
>Just like Keith Mitchell did?
Wait a minute. I missed something here. First, forget Keith
Mitchell. Are you saying that a kid who moves from AA to AAA
and then does not improve would have been better off making a
direct leap to the majors? If a player does well at AA and then
does not improve at AAA, isn't that a sign that maybe he doesn't
belong in the bigs?
Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!)
he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was
returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now
his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your
point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now
he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball.
Duh.
>That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they
>really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience,
>or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more
>flattering to the organization.
Well, I've cast my lot. Certainly you may understand better how
good Lopez is. And I may overvalue experience. But neither one
of us runs a baseball team.
-- The Beastmaster
--
Mark Singer
mss@netcom.com
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From: jyturunen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: tne03.tele.nokia.fi
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
In article <rauser.734062608@sfu.ca>, rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>
> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick
> of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the
> Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and
> "Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,
> and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other
> teams is getting worse as well.
I'm sick too watching all-american names like GRETZKY etc.
Which names you accept ? Sitting bull and dances with wolves ?
It is North America. What are you doing here ?
Jyri
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From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)
Subject: A1000 Memory Needed!!!
Organization: camaro
Lines: 27
Wanted: Amiga 1000 Memory Expander
Any Size (at least 1 meg), populated or not
eg. AX2000, Insider, etc.
Needed Desperately!
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Lots of PC cards
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(Great for Digi-View etc...CCD...no lens...no burn-in!)
Send Email ASAP!
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From: shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson)
Subject: Windows Errors and a bad memory
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 18
Hi. My last question for the year. I have a mail-order no-name notebook
with 4 meg ram. I never have problems with my huge ramdisk or when
running desqview, but Win3.1 and W4W2.0 constantly crash on me, most
commonly citing a "memory parity error." The only thing I can do is TURN
OFF and re-boot. My CMOS ticks off & counts all the memory every startup,
and there is never a problem with this either.
Could it be a bug in my Windows copy instead of the hardware? I remember
having some disk error problems when installing it.
Is there any change I could make to lessen the frequency or likelyhood of
this happening (I think win vs win /s produce different crashes, but both
crash frequently nonetheless)
I know this is a pain, but PLEASE answer by EMAIL because my home account
doesn't have rn. And I will stop asking questions now. Thank you.
Chet Pager = chetter@ucthpx.uct.ac.za
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From: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ajay Soni)
Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For M
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Lines: 44
Distribution: world
Reply-To: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: thyme.csv.warwick.ac.uk
In article 2G1@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:
>Hi Netters,
>
>I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
>some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
>
>Can you please offer some recommendations?
>
>I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it.
>
>Thanks
>
>(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need)
>
>Bob Carpenter
>
I've been given the sites of some excellent 3D objects on all sorts of file formats ...
Here's where they are:
Host plaza.aarnet.edu.au
Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors
DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Apr 4 14:32 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil
Host compute1.cc.ncsu.edu
Location: /mirrors/wustl/graphics/graphics/mirrors
DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 14 09:15 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil
Host wuarchive.wustl.edu
Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors
DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jan 3 06:29 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil
See ya!
Ajay 8*)
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:01:03 GMT
Lines: 166
Archive-Name: rec-autos/part2
Automotive Mailing Lists (Electronic Mail, that is):
[last updated 3/17/93; new lotus, exotic cars list subscription info;
added Portland, OR motorsports list, Corvair list, Triumph TR8 list -- rpw]
There are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to
various special automotive topics.
To the best of my knowledge, all the lists appearing here have open
membership policies. It is my policy not to list `closed' mailing lists
here.
Most mailing lists provide separate addresses for administrative
queries and for general mail; where separate administrative
addresses exist, I have listed those below, as the general addresses
are not appropriate for inquirys and requests.
Audi
(send requests to quattro-request@aries.east.sun.com)
Autocross/Solo
(send requests to autox-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
BMW
(send requests to bmw-request@balltown.cma.com
both regular and digest forms available)
British Cars
(send requests to british-cars-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
Buick Grand National/Regal/GNX
(send requests to gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com)
Camaro/Firebird (GM F-body)
(send requests to f-body-request@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM)
Corvair
(send requests to bryan@pegasus.mitre.org)
Corvettes
there are two lists; the first is more of a competition oriented
list, and the second is more general in nature (or so i am told)
Competition:
(send requests to vettes-request@cimage.com)
General:
(send requests to vettes-request@compaq.com)
Datsun/Fairlady Roadsters
(send requests to datsun-roadsters-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
Dodge Stealth/Mitsubishi 3000GT
(send requests to stealth-req%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu)
Eclipse/Talon/Laser
(send requests to diginst!talon-request@radius.com)
Electric Vehicles
(send requests to info-ev-request@ymir.claremont.edu)
Exotic-Cars
(send requests to exotic-cars-request@sol.asl.hitachi.com)
Fabrication (race cars)
(send requests to racefab-request@pms706.pms.ford.com)
International Harvester (discussion of Scouts, pickups, etc.)
(send requests to ihc-request@balltown.cma.com)
Italian Cars
(send requests to italian-cars-request@balltown.cma.com;
both regular and digest forms available)
Hondas
listserv@brownvm.brown.edu; use standard listserv subscription
procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be
"sub HONDA-L your-real-name" with no subject line in the header
Hot rods
(send requests to hotrod-request@dixie.com)
Land Rovers
(send requests to land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com)
Lotus
(send requests to lotus-cars-request@netcom.com)
Mazdas
(send requests to mazda-list-request@ms.uky.edu)
Miata
listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu; use standard listserv subscription
procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be
"sub miata your-real-name" with no subject line in the header
Merkurs
(send requests to merkur-request@pcad.UUCP)
Mopar
(mostly high performance Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth products.
send requests to mopar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu)
MR2
(send requests to mr2-interest-request@validgh.com)
Mustangs
There are two lists, the first is for Mustangs through 1973,
the second for Mustangs from 1980 on. nobody cares about
the Mustang II, so don't ask.
classic:
(send requests to classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com)
modern:
(send requests to mustangs-request@cup.hp.com)
Offroad & 4X4
(send requests to offroad-request@ai.gtri.gatech.edu)
Porsches
(send requests to porschephiles-request@tta.com)
Portland, Oregon Motorsports Activities
(send requests to pdxracer-request@reed.edu)
Rally
(send requests to rally-request@stratus.com)
RX7
(send requests to jjn@cblpf.ATT.COM)
Saabs
(send requests to saab@network.mhs.compuserve.com)
Saturn
(send requests to saturn-request@oar.net)
School (high performance driving schools)
(send requests to school-request@balltown.cma.com)
Sentra SE-R, G20, N2000
(send requests to se-r-request@pencom.com)
Supras
(send requests to supras-request@vicor.com)
Toyota
(send requests to toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us)
Triumph TR7/V8, TR8
(send requests to jtc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)
Volvos
(requests to swedishbricks-request@me.rochester.edu)
Wheel-to-Wheel Racing
(forum for race drivers, workers, crew, and wannabes;
send requests to wheeltowheel-request@abingdon.sun.com)
Z-Cars (Nissan/Datsun)
(send requests to z-car-request@dixie.com)
--
richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
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From: lcornell@stein.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell)
Subject: Any video gurus feel like attacking this quirk...?
Article-I.D.: shelley.1qsce9INNgd0
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 37
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Hi there,
I'm having a bizarre video problem within Windows 3.1. I have a 286 with
a GVGA-16 video board. I've been using the standard Windows VGA driver
with other similarly configured computers.
I am thinking that my problem is with the way Windows refreshes it's screen.
The problem is that once Windows has been envoked, the colors start
changing themselves. At first I thought it was hardware, but if you open
a full screen DOS program from within the Windows session, you don't have
any problems until you get back to Windows - however, when you initially
return to Windows, the original colors get refreshed properly.
Also, it is not a uniform color change - so if you are in solitaire, the
design on the back of the card maintains it's original color scheme, but
the white fronts of the cards will turn grey, then blue, etc.
The color changes keep getting darker until finally everything is a dark
purple-ish black. If you pop out to DOS and exit back to Windows - the
screen gets refreshed again.
If I don't log into Windows and just do DOS things from the Novell
network, everything is fine.
I originally loaded the software by bouncing it down to the net from the
other machine I had just finished configuring, then from the net to this
machine. When I ran into problems, I deleted everything on this machine
and the net, and tried bouncing it again. When that didn't work, I tried
reloading Windows to no avail.
Any thoughts on things to check out? I am totally baffled!
Thanks in advance for any assistance and instruction!
Linda Cornell
lcornell@u.washington.edu
UW Office of Research
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From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (A 369)
Subject: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness
Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no
Organization: delab
Lines: 31
Dear fellow netters,
From time to time a term like 'Oneness Pentecostals' (or something
similar) has occurred in posts to this group. I also know that there
is a movement called something like 'Jesus alone.'
I believe in the Trinity and have no plans to change that, but reently
I was made aware that there is at least one person within our church
who holds the view that there is no trinity. In the near future we
will discuss this item, and I feel that I shall ask you, my friends on
this group, for background information.
Can anybody tell me the basic reasons for holding a belief that there
is only Jesus? And vice versa: The foundations for the Trinity?
I shall appreciate both quotes from the Bible and historical
development.
Thank you all.
In Him,
Bjorn
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s-mail: e-mail:
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| \| \| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600
|__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302
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From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee)
Subject: Post script viewer
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Hello, recently I have been printing out a lot of files on school's laser printer and feeling guilty about it. Please help me by showing me where to get a post script viewer for X-windows. Thank you for your help.
A student trying to enhence his cybernatic ability.
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From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis)
Subject: Books for writing thesis in WfW???
Keywords: wfw,thesis
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Lines: 23
Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any books that give helpful
hints and tips on writing thesis papers in WfW. I know about the dissertation
template that comes with word but I want more. I would like to have tips on
how to use all the {seq ...} , {bookmark ...} , {index ...} , { chapter ...},
fields that are available in word. I have looked through the help files,etc.
but they really don't explain a whole lot. I will post the results(That means
email me first) if I get a lot of different suggestions since I think this
might be of help to lots of crazy grad students such as myself. Thanks.
Brian Servis
p.s. How do you change the font that Help uses when printing a topic? The
default is so choppy and hard to read.
===========================================================================
|| servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || "It Happened This Way" ||
===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims||
|| What I say may not be what I || ||
|| think. What I say may not be || "The pedestrian had no idea which ||
|| what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over." ||
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From: silly@ugcs.caltech.edu (Brad Threatt)
Subject: Remote file system security
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: vex.ugcs.caltech.edu
In light of my recent paranoia concerning government proposals, I'd love to
see a UNIX-based encryption scheme that:
1) Kept some files encrypted on the host machine (say, all the files in your
home directory)
2) Used a key system that could not be compromised by eavesdropping over a
modem line.
It seems that this would require modifications to a shell program and a
way of telling whether a file was encrypted or not, among other things.
I'd love to know about potential security holes in such a system.
Does such a system exist? If it were made easy-to-use and readily
available, I think it would be a Good Thing(tm). I realize that this
would probably just involve putting a nice front-end on a readily available
and very secure encryption scheme, but it should be done.
Thanks for the ear,
Brad
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From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith)
Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY
Organization: Acadia University
Lines: 17
lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes:
>In article <C5spEC.EuC@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
>Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the
>newsgroup header next time before posting!
>Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada
> lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
Actually Steve, I think he was refering to the Leafs, and when they can
be expected to hit the greens...
--
ACADIA AXEMEN! CIAU CHAMPIONS, 1993!
Donald.Smith@dragon.acadiau.ca
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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Subject: Re: Cheapest mike for Centris?
Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.220053.27621
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA
Lines: 13
In article <summeral.733961443@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes:
>
>I just bought a Centris 650 and discovered, to my dispointment, that Apple
>has gotten too cheap to include a mike anymore, internal or external.
You get a mic with the C650 if you get it with the internal CD ROM drive.
Gary
--
-----
Gary Snow
uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu
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From: jbarrett@aludra.usc.edu (Jonathan Barrett)
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Article-I.D.: aludra.1pr2c9INNg56
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
> Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that
>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and
>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR
>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even
>better hockey players. It's all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,
>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue
>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.
According to what reasonable principle of justice does standing in intimate
geographical and psychological relations to a league give one some privileged
right to play in it?
A European
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From: jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Subject: X version of whois??
Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings
Lines: 8
Has an X version of whois been written out there? If so, where can I ftp it
from? Thanks.
--
Jesse W. Asher (901)762-6000
Varco-Pruden Buildings
6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN 38119
Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com UUCP: vpbuild!jessea
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
Keywords: advice, pillion, help!
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: na
Lines: 40
In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
>I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
>This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
>(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty,
>fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
You sonuvabitch. Rub it in, why don't you? "We have great weather
and great roads here, unlike the rest of you putzes in the U.S. Nyah, nyah,
nyah."
:-) for the severely humor-impaired.
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???
You'll likely not notice her weight too much. A piece of advice
for you: don't be abrupt with the throttle. No wheelies, accelerate a
wee bit more slowly than usual. Consciously worry about spitting her off
the back. It's as much your job to keep her on the pillion as it is hers,
and I guarantee she'll be put off by the bike ripping out from under her
when you whack it open. Keep the lean angles pretty tame the first time
out too. You and her need to learn each other's body English. She needs
to learn what your idea is about how to take the turn, and you need to
learn her idea of "shit! Don't crash now!" so you don't work at cross
purposes while leaned over. You can work up to more aggressive riding over
time.
A very important thing: tell her to put her hand against the tank
when you brake--this could save you some severely crushed cookies.
Have fun,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: nuclear waste
Organization: University of Rochester
In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:
> Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure
> that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it.
> Any comments?
They exist. Even photosynthetic varieties. Not economical at this
time, though.
Paul F. Dietz
dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: DEC pixmap size
Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com
In article 1964@igd.fhg.de, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes:
>If I try to create a pixmap larger than the size of my screen the program
>will terminate displaying the message:
>
>X Error: BadAlloc - insufficient resources
Many X servers supporting graphics accelerators do not allow the creation
of pixmaps exeeding the size of the screen. One workaround is to create
several smaller pixmaps and add the results.
---
Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Wings will win
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Lines: 24
In article <ragraca.735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>
>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they
>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters
>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM
>I have ever seen in hockey, I'm not as impressed with his abilities as
>a bench coach or in general as a motivator. With the amount of talent he
>has on this team, he should have blown away everyone in the Norris. There
>is not another team in the Norris, maybe even in the Campbell conference,
>that can hold a candle to Detroit on paper in terms of pure talent. But,
>some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year. Scotty
>Bowman, on the other hand, who has won (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)
>nine (9) stanley cups, is an outstanding coach, and I think he could
>outcoach Murray if they faced each other.
>
Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae,
Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous
GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it...
that would hardly rank him as the best GM.
Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM...
Gerald
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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 50
In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:
>
>In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>|>
>|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?
>|> ------------------------------------
>|>
>|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
>|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
>|> attempt to starve the Gazans.
>|>
>|> [...]
>|>
>|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and
>|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas
>|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all
>|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.
>|>
>|> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.
>|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.
>|>
>|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I
>|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.
>|>
>|> Harry.
>
>O.K., its my turn:
>
> DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!
>
>I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed
>to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their
>plan !
This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The
statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand
Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads
during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.
It was not coined by B'nai B'rith or, for that matter, any Jewish
organization.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
Lines: 27
In article <1993Apr13.104856.25246@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> In article <C581G8.Kw8@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
> >In article <15283@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ##For a while, homosexuals paid higher insurance rates than straights,
# ##and with very good reason, until the government made it illegal to
# ##do so.
#
# Well if we go by this philosophy how many Children do you think
# we help pay for with our insurance premiums??? Children who obviously
# cannot be afforded, since the insurance companies have to pay for
# all of the prenatal and birthing..... What about the children born
# with horrible flaws who cost the system an arm and a leg to be kept alive?
# We all pay because we are all part of this society and we should take
# care of one another.....
Oddly enough, dependent coverage costs a bit more than for one self
alone. But if you really believe your claims, you could make a lot
of money starting the "Homosexuals Health Insurance Co." and refuse to
insure "breeders." But I shudder to think what your premiums will be
like.
# Bil Snodgrass III
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
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From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com
Subject: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC)
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com
I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually
MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT
a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and
Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing
sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are
mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam
on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut
outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues
for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983
and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i
believe). I will not break them up. They will be
sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me.
Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of
course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get
'em in person.
arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com
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From: ske@pkmab.se (Kristoffer Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP
Organization: Peridot Konsult i Mellansverige AB, Oerebro, Sweden
Lines: 14
In article <1quqlgINN83q@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
> My definition is this: Science is the investigation of the empirical
>that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous
>work.
Reading this definition, I wonder: when should you recognize something
as being a "mistake"? It seems to me, that proponents of pseudo-sciences
might have their own ideas of what constitutes a "mistake" and which
discoveries of such previous mistakes they accept.
--
Kristoffer Eriksson, Peridot Konsult AB, Stallgatan 2, S-702 26 Oerebro, Sweden
Phone: +46 19-33 13 00 ! e-mail: ske@pkmab.se
Fax: +46 19-33 13 30 ! or ...!mail.swip.net!kullmar!pkmab!ske
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From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael)
Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!?
Organization: n/a
Lines: 12
NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes:
>Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I
please tell me where you where you FTP'd this from? I would like to have
a copy of it. (I would have mailed you, but your post indicates you have no mail
address...)
>
--
Wayne Michael
wdm@world.std.com
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From: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com>
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk
Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk
Reply-To: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com>
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Distribution: na
Lines: 17
In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public
:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few
:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a
:certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected
:experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was
:advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the
Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me
like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people
who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more.
I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in
the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more?
G
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From: falcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Scot Hughes)
Subject: Re: I hate to mention Acker, but....
Keywords: Acker, Orioles, DoppleAckers?
Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: None
Distribution: na
Lines: 32
In article <14APR199316550695@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.193114.2328@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes...
>>I feel as if I might be causing some bad karma by doing this, but I just have
>>to know......
>>
>>Is the Ack man still in organized baseball?
>
> Glad you asked!! The Ack-man, and nine of his relatives, are currently
>impersonating the Baltimore Orioles pitching staff. Personally, I believe
>that the Evil Ackers kidnapped the real O's staff, and are currently in the
>process of impersonating Mussina, Sutcliffe, McDonald, Olson.
No, no no. The Ack man is apparently an alien life-form, much
like the pod people from planet Mars, who can take on any form (the
ability remains the same, however). The Ack-people have been spotted on
many teams to date, but it appears that the Orioles staff (mentioned
above) and the Expos bullpen (Barnes, Walton, Fassero, Gardiner and
Rojas) have been the prime target. Apparently John Wetteland was roughed
up by the Ack-people during spring training due to the fact that his
system rejected the takeover, and has been on the DL ever since. Contact
the authorities! This evil plot must be stopped! (the Ack-people can
keep Jack Morris and Juan Guzman, though. I enjoy watching Toronto fans
suffer too much to want these guys returned to normal ;-)
Scot.
--
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Scot Hughes | Department of Chemical Engineering | Expos in '93!
falcon@cs.mcgill.ca| McGill University, Montreal, Quebec| {witty saying here}
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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question
In-Reply-To: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 22:44:14 GMT
Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU
Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
<1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu>
Distribution: sci
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu> jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) writes:
My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically
known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked
that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't
set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code
and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew
'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.
Good grief. And I thought the Shuttle software was known for being
well-engineered. If this is actually the case, every member of the
programming team should be taken out and shot.
(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in
maturity, I strongly doubt that this is the case).
Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
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From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan)
Subject: just testing
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 3
hello testing
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From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 44
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
:What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
:had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
:
:With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
:more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
:
:With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
:mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
I hope this is a joke... if not, here's my response:
The BATF has a history of no-knock raids with poor evidence, often resulting in
innocent people being killed or suffering injury to person or property. I will
NOT support the BATF until they clean up their act... Maybe... As to equipment,
the BATF has damn near anything it wants... Their faults were in intelligence
(military and civilian definitions apply), tactics (attacking during DAYLIGHT??), methodology (the FBI stated that it is against government policy to assault
a position where there are non-combatants/potential hostages without attempting
negotiations first), and legality. The BATF's jurisdiction is TAXES on firearms
and tobacco. They are a branch of the department of the treasury. They have
very curiously backed away from their claims of illegal weaponry to push the
child-abuse charges... The BATF has no jurisdiction over non-firearms/tobacco
issues! And the charges of child-abuse had been investigated in the past with
no violence and no validation. This was a clear case of first the BATF, then
the FBI, having watched too many Rambo movies... My opinion is that the agent
in charge should be charged with executing an illegal raid, criminal negligence,
murder, civil rights violations, and breaking his/her oath to uphold and defend
the Constitution of the US. The warrant should be unsealed to reveal to the
public what justification the BATF thought it had in committing an armed assault
on American citizens. And while on the issue of investigating this issue,
the Randy Weaver case and the Johnny Lawmaster case should be investigated for
BATF wrongdoing.
James
btw, if the BATF came busting in my windows with concussion grenades, you could damn well bet I would return fire to the utmost of my ability.
--
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James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space
gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent
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Subject: help for school
From: mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Organization: Wesleyan University
Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu
Lines: 14
I am a newbie to the net, and I am trying to get some information for a paper
I am working on to get back into college. If anyone can send me data on
Solar coronal holes and recurrant aurora for the past thirty years it would be
a big help. Or, if you have information on more esoteric things like Telluric
current, surge bafflers power companies use, or other effects sporatic aurora
have on the Earth's magnetic field, I'd be eternally gratefull. Please send
anything interesting to me at
Marty Crandall-Grela
Van Vleck Observatory
Wesleyan University
Middletown,Ct 06487
or e-mail it to me at mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Thank-you in advance, Marty
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011
Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 210
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
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| "Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!" and |
| "There's no need to be afraid, all of Moscow is |
| behind us." I even heard that: "All Moscow is |
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DEPOSITION OF YURI VAGARSHAKOVICH MUSAELIAN
Born 1953
Line Electrician
Sumgait Streetcar and Trolleybus Administration
Resident at Building 4/21, Apartment 29
Block 14, Narimanov Street
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
I spent almost all of February doing overhaul. The 27th was a short day at
work, we worked until eleven or eleven-thirty and left for home. I decided
to go for a short walk. I went to Primorsky Park. I walked past the Eternal
Flame and saw a group of about 8 to 10 people standing there. When I had
walked another 15 to 20 yards I heard the screech of automobile brakes
behind me. I turned my head toward the sound. It was a light blue GAZ-24
Volga. I see that the people who were standing there have gone over to the
car. A man and a woman get out. The man is expensively dressed, in a suit,
and the woman has a raincoat on. She doesn't have anything on her head, and
her hair is let down, sightly reddish hair, a heavy-set woman. They're 40 to
45 years old. They get something out of the trunk. The people start to help
them. I become curious just what are they pulling out of there?
When I got up close I heard them turn something on. I didn't see what it was,
but it was probably a tape recorder. They put it on the ground near the
Eternal Flame honoring the 26 Baku Commissars and formed a tight circle
around it. I ask, "What's going on?" Someone tells me, "Come listen." Well
they were Azerbaijanis, I had asked in Azerbaijani. I hear appeals: "Brother
Muslims, our time has come . . . " and something else along that line. I
didn't understand what it was all about. I walked around the group trying to
get a look at the owner of the tape recorder. But the circle drew in tighter.
New people started coming from various directions, five here, seven there. And
the comments started: "Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!" and "There's
no need to be afraid, all of Moscow is behind us." I even heard that: "All
Moscow is behind us." Well I watched and listened in and realized that this
was no joke. I quietly left and went home.
Now before that at work I had heard that something was going on in Karabagh,
that there were demonstrations there. Well, people were saying all kinds of
things, but I didn't have any idea what was really going on.
My wife and son were at home, but my daughter was at my aunt's house in Baku.
I didn't say anything to my wife. We sat and drank tea. Sometime around two
o'clock right behind our house suddenly there is noise, whistling, and
shouting. I looked out the window and saw a crowd. The crowd is moving slowly,
like they show on TV when blacks in South Africa are striking or having a
demonstration and move slowly.
My wife asks what's going on out there. I say I don't know. I put on some
outdoor clothes and went out to find out what it was all about. In the crowd
people are shouting "Down with the Armenians!" and "Death to the Armenians!" I
waited for the entire crowd to pass. At first they went down Narimanov Street
on the side with the SK club and the City Party Committee; then they turned
and went against the traffic--it's one way there--down the Street of the 26
Baku Commissars toward the streetcar line. I went home and told my wife there
was a demonstration going on. In fact I thought that we were having the same
kind of demonstrations that they had had in Yerevan and in Karabagh. Aside
from the things they were shouting, I was surprised that there were only young
people in the crowd. And they were minors, under draft age.
My wife and son wanted to go upstairs to visit a friend, but I was kind of
uneasy and said, "No, let's stay at home instead." An hour went by, or maybe
an hour and a half. Well, I wasn't keeping track of the time, I can't say
exactly how long it was. I look and see another crowd on Narimanov, but now on
the side with the microdistricts, the bazaar, and the Rossiya movie theater.
I put outside clothes on and went out again. There's noise, an uproar outside,
and the crowd has grown. There are more people. And whereas the first time
there were individual shouts, this time they are more focused, more
aggressive. No, I think, something's wrong here, this isn't any demonstration.
They would run, stop, then walk quickly and make sharp dashes, and then run
again. I was walking along the sidewalk and they were in the street. I
followed them. I was thinking I'd just watch and see. Who knew where this was
leading? We came out on Lenin Square. At the square the SK club is on one
side, and the City Party Committee is on the other. I went toward the square
and heard noise and shouting, as though the whole town had turned out. There
was some sort of a rally going on. I go closer and hear exclamations, appeals.
I heard both anti-Armenian and anti-Soviet appeals. "We don't need
perestroika, we want to go on living like we have been." Now what did they
mean by "living like we have been?" The Azerbaijanis work like everyone else.
But too many people live at the expense of the government and at the expense
of others. Speculation, theft, and cheating go on all the time. And not just
in Azerbaijan, everywhere, in all the republics, but I've never seen it
anywhere else like I have in Azerbaijan.
Now at this rally someone says that they should go around to the Armenians'
apartments and drive them out, beat them and drive them out. True, I didn't
hear them say "kill them" over the microphone, I only heard "beat them and
drive them out." I stayed at the square a few minutes longer. First one, then
another are going up onto the stage, and no one tries to stop the crowd. Off
to the side of the crowd there were small groups of three or four people, and
I think they were MVD [Ministry of Internal Affairs] or State Security KGB.
There were also uniformed policemen there, but I didn't see any of them try
to pacify the crowd. New people kept coming up onto the stage.
Well I had finally decided that this could end badly: This was no
demonstration, and I had to protect my family.
I left the Square to return home and suddenly noticed a truck. It was next
to the City Party Committee, on Narimanov Street, it stood next to the tai-
lor's shop there, a low truck, and it had low, wooden panels. I see that some-
thing is being unloaded, crates of some sort. I decided to go look because
after all those appeals I was apprehensive and thought there might be weapons
in there. They pulled the crates out onto the square, not toward the City
Party Committee, but toward the SK club. And when I went right up to them I
saw that they were cases of vodka. There were two people handing down the
cases from the bed of the truck, and on the ground there were many people, 15
to 20. They were handing them down from the truck and each case was carried
off by two people. Two people, one case of vodka. And there was a man standing
right next to the truck and he was handing out roundish black lumps, maybe
about the size of a fist, maybe a little bigger or smaller. It was anasha.
When I passed next to that person, he stood with his side to me. There was
about a yard and a half between us, and two people were standing near him. He
has a package in his hand, and he's pulling out anasha and handing it out. I
have never smoked it myself. Once I tried it for fun, but I've seen a lot of
people smoke it, I've seen it many times, and I know what it is. I strolled
around and no one asked me who I was or what I was doing there.
Before I got to the Glass Bazaar I heard more howling, more warlike shouting.
I turned around and saw them running. Well I'll just keep on going like I am,
I thought. When they caught up with me I saw that they were carrying flags.
And I recognized the person who was carrying the flag on my side of the
street. He's a young guy, 21 or 22 years old. He was carrying a red flag,
which had "Ermeni oryum" written on it in Azerbaijani, that means "Death to
Armenians!" That guy used to live off the same courtyard as us. I don't really
know what his name is, but I know his father very well. His father's name is
Rafik; he used to be a cook, and then became head chef. He used to have a dark
blue Zhiguli van, then he sold it and now he has a white Zhiguli 06. His
family, as I said, lived on the same courtyard as we did. Our building was on
Narimanov Street, and theirs was on the Street of the 26 Baku Commissars;
their apartment was in the far entryway, on the fifth floor, the door on the
left. Now Rafik's little brother lives there, and he, Rafik, I heard, got a
new apartment either in the forth or eighth microdistrict. In a word, his son
was carrying a flag that said "Death to Armenians!" I was surprised because
before this I had gotten the impression that all of this nonsense was being
done not by people from Sumgait, but by Azerbaijanis from Agdam and Kafan.
Well anyway I went home. My wife was upset. I told her, "It's OK, it'll pass,
they're young kids, they've just gotten all whooped up." Naturally I didn't
want her to get overly upset. After a while a new surge of crowd went by. And
this time they were breaking glass. I could hear it breaking, but I couldn't
see where. Well I think, here we go, the machine's in motion. They weren't
handing out that vodka and anasha for nothing. I didn't see people drinking
and smoking on the spot, but they certainly hadn't unloaded the vodka and
hashish to put in a store window!
So the thought flashed through my head that the machine was running, no one
would stop them now, they weren't even trying, although, I'll say it again,
the police were there, I saw them. And it's not just that the police weren't
breaking them up, they were joking with them, they were having a good time.
True, at the time I couldn't even imagine that under our government, our much-
vaunted leadership--and I'm not afraid to say these words: so many people
died, So many women were abused, and how many abominations there were!--I
couldn't imagine that under our much-vaunted authorities, and if I were to be
specific, I would say under the much-touted authorities in our city of
Sumgait, I couldn't imagine that such things could take place.
When they started breaking glass I told my wife and son: "Let's go upstairs."
We went to our neighbors, the Grigorians, on the fourth floor. And in the
evening, when those crowds started going past again, I went outside once more.
I stopped at "The Corner," a place called that right next to the bazaar. I
look and see a crowd on the run. And there, a few yards from the entrance to
the bazaar, are three respectable-looking men of around, say, 50 years old.
The crowd was running and one of the three waved with his arm and pointed
toward the bazaar. And then the whole crowd, as though it were one person,
wheeled and raced toward the bazaar. And not a soul went past those three, as
though it were off limits! Well everything got all churned up, there was more
noise, and the glass was flying again.
We spent the night at the neighbors'. My apartment was on the first floor,
there was really no way to defend yourself there.
In the morning I went out to buy bread and to see what was happening in town.
On the way I saw someone hunched up, still. I never found out who it was or
what happened to him. There were 10 to 15 people standing near him. I got the
bread and on my way back, they had gathered around the person who was lying
there hunched up, sort of enclosing him; because of the way they were standing
you couldn't even see him.
That was on the morning of February 28. Everyone knows the rest.
May 17, 1988
Yerevan
- - - reference - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 161-164
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton)
Subject: PC games (joystick) port
Article-I.D.: ozonehol.5109.442.uupcb
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>Subject says it all - could someone tell me the pinout
>for a PC type analogue joystick port?
Joystick A:
1 +5 VDC
2 Button 1
3 X Axis
4 Ground
5 Ground
6 Y Axis
7 Button 2
8 + 5 VDC
Joystick B:
9 +5 VDC
10 Button 1
11 X Axis
12 Ground
13 Y axis
14 Button 2
15 +5 VDC
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From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)
Subject: Re: X11R5 and Gateway2000
Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
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In article <5914@daily-planet.concordia.ca> christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) writes:
>
>Hi,
> I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure
>X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically,
>I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my
>graphics card and monitor. I have a 15" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor
>and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card.
>Thanks in advance.
Didn't your operating system come with X? SysV usually does as far
as I know. You'd do best to contact the people from whom you bought
ths OS. If you're running Linux or something similar, good luck. :)
>
>Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca
>
>
>Christy
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Political Correctness is the tool of the mentally disadvantaged.
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From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c)
Subject: GUILTY .. or NOT GUILTY.........(comparitive fault law)
Article-I.D.: mentor.C51uAI.586
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
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Thanks to everyone who sent replies regarding this case. A few of them were
very informative and helped very much.
Once again.
THANKS! T.C.
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From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM
Subject: Re: A to D hardware for a PC
Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.072523.946
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If you can find a copy of "8088 Assembler Language Programming: The IBM PC"
by Willen and Krantz, 2nd ed. pub. by Sams, there is a discussion of the
game control adapter, monostable multivibrators, and conversion to other
uses, as well as an assembler program. If you need greater accuracy, there
is no reason you couldn't modify the approach to suit your needs.
Jim
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From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Subject: LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
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LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics
Orthodox physicists, astronomers, and astrophysicists
CLAIM to be looking for a "Unified Field Theory" in which all
of the forces of the universe can be explained with a single
set of laws or equations. But they have been systematically
IGNORING or SUPPRESSING an excellent one for 30 years!
The late Physicist Dewey B. Larson's comprehensive
GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, which he
calls the "Reciprocal System", is built on two fundamental
postulates about the physical and mathematical natures of
space and time:
(1) "The physical universe is composed ENTIRELY of ONE
component, MOTION, existing in THREE dimensions, in DISCRETE
UNITS, and in two RECIPROCAL forms, SPACE and TIME."
(2) "The physical universe conforms to the relations of
ORDINARY COMMUTATIVE mathematics, its magnitudes are
ABSOLUTE, and its geometry is EUCLIDEAN."
From these two postulates, Larson developed a COMPLETE
Theoretical Universe, using various combinations of
translational, vibrational, rotational, and vibrational-
rotational MOTIONS, the concepts of IN-ward and OUT-ward
SCALAR MOTIONS, and speeds in relation to the Speed of Light
(which Larson called "UNIT VELOCITY" and "THE NATURAL
DATUM").
At each step in the development, Larson was able to
MATCH objects in his Theoretical Universe with objects in the
REAL physical universe, (photons, sub-atomic particles
[INCOMPLETE ATOMS], charges, atoms, molecules, globular star
clusters, galaxies, binary star systems, solar systems, white
dwarf stars, pulsars, quasars, ETC.), even objects NOT YET
DISCOVERED THEN (such as EXPLODING GALAXIES, and GAMMA-RAY
BURSTS).
And applying his Theory to his NEW model of the atom,
Larson was able to precisely and accurately CALCULATE inter-
atomic distances in crystals and molecules, compressibility
and thermal expansion of solids, and other properties of
matter.
All of this is described in good detail, with-OUT fancy
complex mathematics, in his books.
BOOKS of Dewey B. Larson
The following is a complete list of the late Physicist
Dewey B. Larson's books about his comprehensive GENERAL
UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe. Some of the early
books are out of print now, but still available through
inter-library loan.
"The Structure of the Physical Universe" (1959)
"The Case AGAINST the Nuclear Atom" (1963)
"Beyond Newton" (1964)
"New Light on Space and Time" (1965)
"Quasars and Pulsars" (1971)
"NOTHING BUT MOTION" (1979)
[A $9.50 SUBSTITUTE for the $8.3 BILLION "Super
Collider".]
[The last four chapters EXPLAIN chemical bonding.]
"The Neglected Facts of Science" (1982)
"THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" (1984)
[FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL astrophysical
mysteries.]
"BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER" (1988)
All but the last of these books were published by North
Pacific Publishers, P.O. Box 13255, Portland, OR 97213, and
should be available via inter-library loan if your local
university or public library doesn't have each of them.
Several of them, INCLUDING the last one, are available
from: The International Society of Unified Science (ISUS),
1680 E. Atkin Ave., Salt Lake City, Utah 84106. This is the
organization that was started to promote Larson's Theory.
They have other related publications, including the quarterly
journal "RECIPROCITY".
Physicist Dewey B. Larson's Background
Physicist Dewey B. Larson was a retired Engineer
(Chemical or Electrical). He was about 91 years old when he
died in May 1989. He had a Bachelor of Science Degree in
Engineering Science from Oregon State University. He
developed his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the
physical universe while trying to develop a way to COMPUTE
chemical properties based only on the elements used.
Larson's lack of a fancy "PH.D." degree might be one
reason that orthodox physicists are ignoring him, but it is
NOT A VALID REASON. Sometimes it takes a relative outsider
to CLEARLY SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES. At the same
time, it is clear from his books that he also knew ORTHODOX
physics and astronomy as well as ANY physicist or astronomer,
well enough to point out all their CONTRADICTIONS, AD HOC
ASSUMPTIONS, PRINCIPLES OF IMPOTENCE, IN-CONSISTENCIES, ETC..
Larson did NOT have the funds, etc. to experimentally
test his Theory. And it was NOT necessary for him to do so.
He simply compared the various parts of his Theory with OTHER
researchers' experimental and observational data. And in
many cases, HIS explanation FIT BETTER.
A SELF-CONSISTENT Theory is MUCH MORE than the ORTHODOX
physicists and astronomers have! They CLAIM to be looking
for a "unified field theory" that works, but have been
IGNORING one for over 30 years now!
"Modern physics" does NOT explain the physical universe
so well. Some parts of some of Larson's books are FULL of
quotations of leading orthodox physicists and astronomers who
agree. And remember that "epicycles", "crystal spheres",
"geocentricity", "flat earth theory", etc., ALSO once SEEMED
to explain it well, but were later proved CONCEPTUALLY WRONG.
Prof. Frank H. Meyer, Professor Emeritus of UW-Superior,
was/is a STRONG PROPONENT of Larson's Theory, and was (or
still is) President of Larson's organization, "THE
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF UNIFIED SCIENCE", and Editor of
their quarterly Journal "RECIPROCITY". He moved to
Minneapolis after retiring.
"Super Collider" BOONDOGGLE!
I am AGAINST contruction of the "Superconducting Super
Collider", in Texas or anywhere else. It would be a GROSS
WASTE of money, and contribute almost NOTHING of "scientific"
value.
Most physicists don't realize it, but, according to the
comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the late Physicist
Dewey B. Larson, as described in his books, the strange GOOFY
particles ("mesons", "hyperons", ALLEGED "quarks", etc.)
which they are finding in EXISTING colliders (Fermi Lab,
Cern, etc.) are really just ATOMS of ANTI-MATTER, which are
CREATED by the high-energy colliding beams, and which quickly
disintegrate like cosmic rays because they are incompatible
with their environment.
A larger and more expensive collider will ONLY create a
few more elements of anti-matter that the physicists have not
seen there before, and the physicists will be EVEN MORE
CONFUSED THAN THEY ARE NOW!
Are a few more types of anti-matter atoms worth the $8.3
BILLION cost?!! Don't we have much more important uses for
this WASTED money?!
Another thing to consider is that the primary proposed
location in Texas has a serious and growing problem with some
kind of "fire ants" eating the insulation off underground
cables. How much POISONING of the ground and ground water
with insecticides will be required to keep the ants out of
the "Supercollider"?!
Naming the "Super Collider" after Ronald Reagon, as
proposed, is TOTALLY ABSURD! If it is built, it should be
named after a leading particle PHYSICIST.
LARSONIAN Anti-Matter
In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the
physical universe, anti-matter is NOT a simple case of
opposite charges of the same types of particles. It has more
to do with the rates of vibrations and rotations of the
photons of which they are made, in relation to the
vibrational and rotational equivalents of the speed of light,
which Larson calls "Unit Velocity" and the "Natural Datum".
In Larson's Theory, a positron is actually a particle of
MATTER, NOT anti-matter. When a positron and electron meet,
the rotational vibrations (charges) and rotations of their
respective photons (of which they are made) neutralize each
other.
In Larson's Theory, the ANTI-MATTER half of the physical
universe has THREE dimensions of TIME, and ONLY ONE dimension
of space, and exists in a RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP to our
MATERIAL half.
LARSONIAN Relativity
The perihelion point in the orbit of the planet Mercury
has been observed and precisely measured to ADVANCE at the
rate of 574 seconds of arc per century. 531 seconds of this
advance are attributed via calculations to gravitational
perturbations from the other planets (Venus, Earth, Jupiter,
etc.). The remaining 43 seconds of arc are being used to
help "prove" Einstein's "General Theory of Relativity".
But the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson achieved results
CLOSER to the 43 seconds than "General Relativity" can, by
INSTEAD using "SPECIAL Relativity". In one or more of his
books, he applied the LORENTZ TRANSFORMATION on the HIGH
ORBITAL SPEED of Mercury.
Larson TOTALLY REJECTED "General Relativity" as another
MATHEMATICAL FANTASY. He also REJECTED most of "Special
Relativity", including the parts about "mass increases" near
the speed of light, and the use of the Lorentz Transform on
doppler shifts, (Those quasars with red-shifts greater than
1.000 REALLY ARE MOVING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT,
although most of that motion is away from us IN TIME.).
In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the
physical universe, there are THREE dimensions of time instead
of only one. But two of those dimensions can NOT be measured
from our material half of the physical universe. The one
dimension that we CAN measure is the CLOCK time. At low
relative speeds, the values of the other two dimensions are
NEGLIGIBLE; but at high speeds, they become significant, and
the Lorentz Transformation must be used as a FUDGE FACTOR.
[Larson often used the term "COORDINATE TIME" when writing
about this.]
In regard to "mass increases", it has been PROVEN in
atomic accelerators that acceleration drops toward zero near
the speed of light. But the formula for acceleration is
ACCELERATION = FORCE / MASS, (a = F/m). Orthodox physicists
are IGNORING the THIRD FACTOR: FORCE. In Larson's Theory,
mass STAYS CONSTANT and FORCE drops toward zero. FORCE is
actually a MOTION, or COMBINATIONS of MOTIONS, or RELATIONS
BETWEEN MOTIONS, including INward and OUTward SCALAR MOTIONS.
The expansion of the universe, for example, is an OUTward
SCALAR motion inherent in the universe and NOT a result of
the so-called "Big Bang" (which is yet another MATHEMATICAL
FANTASY).
THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION
I wish to recommend to EVERYONE the book "THE UNIVERSE
OF MOTION", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North Pacific
Publishers, (P.O. Box 13255, Portland, Oregon 97213), 456
pages, indexed, hardcover.
It contains the Astrophysical portions of a GENERAL
UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by that
author, an UNrecognized GENIUS, more than thirty years ago.
It contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL Astrophysical
mysteries, including the FORMATION of galaxies, binary and
multiple star systems, and solar systems, the TRUE ORIGIN of
the "3-degree" background radiation, cosmic rays, and gamma-
ray bursts, and the TRUE NATURE of quasars, pulsars, white
dwarfs, exploding galaxies, etc..
It contains what astronomers and astrophysicists are ALL
looking for, if they are ready to seriously consider it with
OPEN MINDS!
The following is an example of his Theory's success:
In his first book in 1959, "THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL
UNIVERSE", Larson predicted the existence of EXPLODING
GALAXIES, several years BEFORE astronomers started finding
them. They are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of Larson's
comprehensive Theory. And when QUASARS were discovered, he
had an immediate related explanation for them also.
GAMMA-RAY BURSTS
Astro-physicists and astronomers are still scratching
their heads about the mysterious GAMMA-RAY BURSTS. They were
originally thought to originate from "neutron stars" in the
disc of our galaxy. But the new Gamma Ray Telescope now in
Earth orbit has been detecting them in all directions
uniformly, and their source locations in space do NOT
correspond to any known objects, (except for a few cases of
directional coincidence).
Gamma-ray bursts are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of the
GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by
the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson. According to page 386 of
his book "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION", published in 1984, the
gamma-ray bursts are coming from SUPERNOVA EXPLOSIONS in the
ANTI-MATTER HALF of the physical universe, which Larson calls
the "Cosmic Sector". Because of the relationship between the
anti-matter and material halves of the physical universe, and
the way they are connected together, the gamma-ray bursts can
pop into our material half anywhere in space, seemingly at
random. (This is WHY the source locations of the bursts do
not correspond with known objects, and come from all
directions uniformly.)
I wonder how close to us in space a source location
would have to be for a gamma-ray burst to kill all or most
life on Earth! There would be NO WAY to predict one, NOR to
stop it!
Perhaps some of the MASS EXTINCTIONS of the past, which
are now being blamed on impacts of comets and asteroids, were
actually caused by nearby GAMMA-RAY BURSTS!
LARSONIAN Binary Star Formation
About half of all the stars in the galaxy in the
vicinity of the sun are binary or double. But orthodox
astronomers and astrophysicists still have no satisfactory
theory about how they form or why there are so many of them.
But binary star systems are actually a LIKELY
CONSEQUENCE of the comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of
the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey
B. Larson.
I will try to summarize Larsons explanation, which is
detailed in Chapter 7 of his book "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"
and in some of his other books.
First of all, according to Larson, stars do NOT generate
energy by "fusion". A small fraction comes from slow
gravitational collapse. The rest results from the COMPLETE
ANNIHILATION of HEAVY elements (heavier than IRON). Each
element has a DESTRUCTIVE TEMPERATURE LIMIT. The heavier the
element is, the lower is this limit. A star's internal
temperature increases as it grows in mass via accretion and
absorption of the decay products of cosmic rays, gradually
reaching the destructive temperature limit of lighter and
lighter elements.
When the internal temperature of the star reaches the
destructive temperature limit of IRON, there is a Type I
SUPERNOVA EXPLOSION! This is because there is SO MUCH iron
present; and that is related to the structure of iron atoms
and the atom building process, which Larson explains in some
of his books [better than I can].
When the star explodes, the lighter material on the
outer portion of the star is blown outward in space at less
than the speed of light. The heavier material in the center
portion of the star was already bouncing around at close to
the speed of light, because of the high temperature. The
explosion pushes that material OVER the speed of light, and
it expands OUTWARD IN TIME, which is equivalent to INWARD IN
SPACE, and it often actually DISAPPEARS for a while.
Over long periods of time, both masses start to fall
back gravitationally. The material that had been blown
outward in space now starts to form a RED GIANT star. The
material that had been blown OUTWARD IN TIME starts to form a
WHITE DWARF star. BOTH stars then start moving back toward
the "MAIN SEQUENCE" from opposite directions on the H-R
Diagram.
The chances of the two masses falling back into the
exact same location in space, making a single lone star
again, are near zero. They will instead form a BINARY
system, orbiting each other.
According to Larson, a white dwarf star has an INVERSE
DENSITY GRADIENT (is densest at its SURFACE), because the
material at its center is most widely dispersed (blown
outward) in time. This ELIMINATES the need to resort to
MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES about "degenerate matter", "neutron
stars", "black holes", etc..
LARSONIAN Solar System Formation
If the mass of the heavy material at the center of the
exploding star is relatively SMALL, then, instead of a single
white dwarf star, there will be SEVERAL "mini" white dwarf
stars (revolving around the red giant star, but probably
still too far away in three-dimensional TIME to be affected
by its heat, etc.). These will become PLANETS!
In Chapter 7 of THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION, Larson used all
this information, and other principles of his comprehensive
GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, to derive
his own version of Bode's Law.
"Black Hole" FANTASY!
I heard that physicist Stephen W. Hawking recently
completed a theoretical mathematical analysis of TWO "black
holes" merging together into a SINGLE "black hole", and
concluded that the new "black hole" would have MORE MASS than
the sum of the two original "black holes".
Such a result should be recognized by EVERYone as a RED
FLAG, causing widespread DOUBT about the whole IDEA of "black
holes", etc.!
After reading Physicist Dewey B. Larson's books about
his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical
universe, especially his book "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION", it is
clear to me that "black holes" are NOTHING more than
MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES! The strange object at Cygnus X-1 is
just an unusually massive WHITE DWARF STAR, NOT the "black
hole" that orthodox astronomers and physicists so badly want
to "prove" their theory.
By the way, I do NOT understand why so much publicity is
being given to physicist Stephen Hawking. The physicists and
astronomers seem to be acting as if Hawking's severe physical
problem somehow makes him "wiser". It does NOT!
I wish the same attention had been given to Physicist
Dewey B. Larson while he was still alive. Widespread
publicity and attention should NOW be given to Larson's
Theory, books, and organization (The International Society of
Unified Science).
ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION
I heard of that concept many years ago, in connection
with UFO's and unorthodox inventors, but I never was able to
find out how or why they work, or how they are constructed.
I found a possible clue about why they might work on
pages 112-113 of the book "BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER", by
the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson, which describes part of
Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical
universe. I quote one paragraph:
"As indicated in the preceding chapter, the development
of the theory of the universe of motion arrives at a totally
different concept of the nature of electrical resistance.
The electrons, we find, are derived from the environment. It
was brought out in Volume I [Larson's book "NOTHING BUT
MOTION"] that there are physical processes in operation which
produce electrons in substantial quantities, and that,
although the motions that constitute these electrons are, in
many cases, absorbed by atomic structures, the opportunities
for utilizing this type of motion in such structures are
limited. It follows that there is always a large excess of
free electrons in the material sector [material half] of the
universe, most of which are uncharged. In this uncharged
state the electrons cannot move with respect to extension
space, because they are inherently rotating units of space,
and the relation of space to space is not motion. In open
space, therefore, each uncharged electron remains permanently
in the same location with respect to the natural reference
system, in the manner of a photon. In the context of the
stationary spatial reference system the uncharged electron,
like the photon, is carried outward at the speed of light by
the progression of the natural reference system. All
material aggregates are thus exposed to a flux of electrons
similar to the continual bombardment by photons of radiation.
Meanwhile there are other processes, to be discussed later,
whereby electrons are returned to the environment. The
electron population of a material aggregate such as the earth
therefore stabilizes at an equilibrium level."
Note that in Larson's Theory, UNcharged electrons are
also massLESS, and are basically photons of light of a
particular frequency (above the "unit" frequency) spinning
around one axis at a particular rate (below the "unit" rate).
("Unit velocity" is the speed of light, and there are
vibrational and rotational equivalents to the speed of light,
according to Larson's Theory.) [I might have the "above" and
"below" labels mixed up.]
Larson is saying that outer space is filled with mass-
LESS UN-charged electrons flying around at the speed of
light!
If this is true, then the ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION
fields of spacecraft might be able to interact with these
electrons, or other particles in space, perhaps GIVING them a
charge (and mass) and shooting them toward the rear to
achieve propulsion. (In Larson's Theory, an electrical charge
is a one-dimensional rotational vibration of a particular
frequency (above the "unit" frequency) superimposed on the
rotation of the particle.)
The paragraph quoted above might also give a clue to
confused meteorologists about how and why lightning is
generated in clouds.
SUPPRESSION of LARSONIAN Physics
The comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical
universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson has
been available for more than 30 YEARS, published in 1959 in
his first book "THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE".
It is TOTALLY UN-SCIENTIFIC for Hawking, Wheeler, Sagan,
and the other SACRED PRIESTS of the RELIGION they call
"science" (or "physics", or "astronomy", etc.), as well as
the "scientific" literature and the "education" systems, to
TOTALLY IGNORE Larson's Theory has they have.
Larson's Theory has excellent explanations for many
things now puzzling orthodox physicists and astronomers, such
as gamma-ray bursts and the nature of quasars.
Larson's Theory deserves to be HONESTLY and OPENLY
discussed in the physics, chemistry, and astronomy journals,
in the U.S. and elsewhere. And at least the basic principles
of Larson's Theory should be included in all related courses
at UW-EC, UW-Madison, Cambridge, Cornell University, and
elsewhere, so that students are not kept in the dark about a
worthy alternative to the DOGMA they are being fed.
For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
please consult my CITED SOURCES (especially Larson's BOOKS).
UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
IMPORTANT partial summary is ENCOURAGED.
Robert E. McElwaine
B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Need Reference: Multiple Personalities Disorders and Allergies
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 28
I heard third-hand (not the best form of information) that there was recently
published results of a study on Multiple-Personality-Disorder Syndrome
patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may
have a psychological trigger or basis. What I heard about this study was that
in one 'personality', a MPDS patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs
of inhalant allergy (scratch tests were used, according to what I heard),
while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms, including
testing a full ++++ on scratch tests for particular inhalants.
If this is true, it is truly fascinating.
But, I'd like to know if this study was ever done, and if so, what the study
really showed, and where the study is published. Any help out there?
Jon Noring
--
Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.
If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info.
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Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.
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From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: Looking for printer driver
Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Lines: 12
jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) writes:
> I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody
> happen to know where I could find such a beast?
Uh... slight clarification: That should be a printer driver for the
c.itoh LIPS10 laser printer.
Thanks again
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jerry
--
"Look ma! No .signature!"
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From: butzen@binky.nas.nasa.gov (Nicholas A. Butzen)
Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Lines: 29
They are actually 72 pin. They come in 4, 8, 16, and 32 with 64s soon
If you are interested in 4s or 8s, I may be able to help. Please call
415-324-2881 after 4:00 pm pdt. I may be interested in a trade.
NAB
ASAN-NASA it's all done with mirrors
In article <1pq2ofINNe2t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
|>
|> In <113956@bu.edu> nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes:
|>
|> >I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS
|> >that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just
|> >received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the
|> >motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm
|> >or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would
|> >be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before.
|> >Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks
|> >Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu
|>
|> Yes you got the wrong simm. You need 70 pin simms in 4 or 16 meg
|> flavors.
|>
|> --
|> The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU |
|> Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | |
|> DoD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU |
|> 2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET |
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From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan)
Subject: Re: Young Catchers
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 120
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Lopez is better than current Brave catchers!
Keywords: Solid != good
>In article <mssC50qA5.Dtv@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr5.151834.14257@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
I'm still catching up from Spring Break, but bear with me...
>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. We
>certainly believe this kid is going to be very good some day, but
>there is really no need to rush him, especially since we have a mega-
>million dollar staff that is probably well served by a battery-mate
>who is expereienced in game calling and pitcher handling. Lopez'
>time will come. Let's give him some time in AAA.
Javy Lopez has proven, over 1400+ AB in the minor leagues, that he is
ready to play in the majors. He is *not* being rushed. Players who are
clearly too good for AA and play behind stiffs at the major league level
are wasting their time, and may actually have a court case against
major league management for keeping them, at AAA.
>No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very
>ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22
>
Unless Lopez is *me* defensively (I'm 5'7'', 165 and born to play
second base :-)), he belongs in the major leagues.
>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full
>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove
>>his worth?
>
>Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good
>as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather
>than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM...
Valentine isn't saying he should back up. He's saying he should be put
in a position to *win* the job in the major leagues, which, IMHO, he
would if given the opportunity. (Val, if I'm misinterpreting, please
let me know.)
>>So far you have come up with two arguments against Lopez:
>>1) He is very ordinary defensively.
>>2) He is young, and most players suck when they are young.
>
>>The first is irrelevant. He's trying to make the majors with his bat.
>>And the second involves seriously warped reasoning.
>>
>>-Valentine
>OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 (see current
>related posting on Clayton, one of my favorites). Most players
>benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA.
>Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their
>clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the
>Braves for this year.
But the players who *are* ready are 1)the best and 2) the ones most
likely to benefit from being in the majors. Javy Lopez is not a middle-
of-the-road prospect. He's the real thing. NOW.
Again, the most important thing a player can do is hit. Lopez does that
miles better than Olson or Berryhill. If his defense is good enough for
Greenville, or Richmond, it's good enough for Atlanta. If he really was
awful defensively, he would no longer be a catcher. See Sprague, Ed.
>Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid
>abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out
>runners. Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans.
>The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the
>outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate
>at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. The center
>field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez'
>what they have to offset the differential in experience and
>defensive ability. The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, and
>he probably won't being a reserve with the big club.
Oh, where to start... OK. First of all, solid != good. I want good players.
Solid is one of those words used to describe nice white guys who really
aren't very good at baseball. Think of it as "TWG" without the caps.
It's a losing strategy to say, "We have solid guys, we don't need to improve."
You used it four times in that paragraph, BTW.
Same for experienced. I might add, though, that Greg Olson and Damon
Berryhill aren't exactly Carter and Fisk. Olson has played three years,
Berryhill five, although 90 and 91 were a wash. The only difference,
IMHO, between Olson and Valle is the supporting cast.
"Two big bats." Hrm. I like Justice, but I find Mr. Gant's trend disturbing.
Call it one and a maybe. The Braves' platoon is OK, but neither player
has *any* value outside of the platoon. Bream vs. LH and Hunter vs. RH
are awful. I'll leave the thirdbase comment alone. Pendleton has wasted
too much bandwidth already. If the CF platoon hits .300, I'll retrace
Mr. Likhani's midnight run down Forbes, and I live in NY and LA.
(Got that, Mike?)
And doesn't Cox call pitches, anyway?
>goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez
>is being held down because of his future earning potential?
>Why on earth do you people thinkthe Braves made this decision?
>Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? Jeeeesh...
Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted
collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on,
Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in
1990? Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year?
>And *I'm* the treasure...
You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and
have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b.
We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-)
>-- The Beastmaster
>Mark Singer
>mss@netcom.com
--
sheehan@aludra.usc.edu "...Greg Gohr, pitching more like
Voice: 213 743 0456 Tipper Gore, I'm afraid..."--
Linda Cohn, SportsCenter 4/8/93
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From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281
Lines: 39
In article <19APR199310484591@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
>Now that chemical-warfare and the use of juggernauts have been
>used against innocents -- so likewise are those involved subject
>to their own judgments. The same goes for those who lead others
>into captivity -- whether behind strands of barbed-wire, or webs
>of deceit.
>
Yeah. Innocents. People who hoard $250K worth of high-caliber automatic weapons
and kill law-enforcement agents really fit the bill here. The only innocents
were the 20+ children who were prevented from leaving a burning building by
their self-appointed messiah-following parents. A burning STARTED by the
Davidians.
>Such is the patience and faith of the saints.
>
>So let them continue -- for the one-who-rewards them according
>to what their works shall be -- comes quickly.
>
>The evidence continues to mount, which all seems to follow
>step-by-step quite logically to me.
>
> |
>-- J --
> |
> | stephen
>
Is this subject line a veiled threat against U.S. Government agents or possibly
Executive office leadership (i.e. Clinton)? I've considered you a bit of a loon,
before, Stephen, I guess this pretty much confirms it.
Nice religion you have there. The only ones who should be killed are those who
don't agree with us. Sheesh.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've thyat@sdf.lonestar.org suffered quite enough, thank you! Arlington, TX Help! I'm being repressed! -M.Python -------------------------------
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>No, that's just what you thought the theory meant. While all humans
>>are generally capable of overpowering their instincts, it does not
>>follow that those who do this often are necessarily more intelligent.
>Ok, so why aren't animals "generally capable of overpowering their instincts"?
Good question. I'm sure some biologist could answer better than I,
but animals brains are just set up differently.
Animals *can* be trained, but if they're instincts serve them well, there is
no reason to contradict them.
keith
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From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ)
Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows?
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 21
Where can I find the MS windows version of ghostscript? Thanks..
In article <HJSTEIN.93Apr15145240@sunrise.huji.ac.il>, hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.i
l (Harvey J. Stein) writes:
>I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied
>with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386
>version, and a windows version.
>
>Harvey Stein
>hjstein@math.huji.ac.il
>
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT
Lines: 9
cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
--
Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org
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From: dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cavalier)
Subject: Help needed
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Lines: 128
Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Hello. I hope somebody out here can help me. I am currently working
on a project where I am trying to communicate from an IBM 386 with
Phoenix BIOS, using C++, to a board that I made with an Intel 8085 CPU
with UART chip. The board works fine with the TRANSMIT command and
Terminal Emulation mode of Kermit, but there seems to be something wrong
with the initialization or protocol used when I try C++. I need to
access the unit I built using C, because I have a sizable chunk of C
code that I will be using to perform calculations and operations that
will be very difficult to code in assembly language for the 8085.
I have included the assembly code that I am running and the C++ code
that I am trying to use. If anyone can show me something that I
am doing blatantly incorrectly or that I am missing because of my lack
of knowledge about RS-232 serial communications, please e-mail me.
I wrote the assembly language to wait for a character to be received and
then to check it against the 0x20 character, if a 0x20 is received,
the LEDs will indicate this. Two C++ programs that I have written do
nothing, but set up COM port 2 and send the 0x20 character. One uses
the bioscom() function in bios.h the other uses the software interrupt
int86() function in dos.h. I have triple checked the baud rate ( 2400 )
the parity ( none ) the stop bits ( 1 ) the character length ( 8 bits )
and the interrupt calls for ( 0x14 ). Currently, I am at a loss as
to what may be wrong. Any hardware gurus out there want to comment?
Thanks alot,
Hubert De Jesus
dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
INTEL ASM
COMMAND EQU 3000H ;Command Register on 8155
PORTA EQU 3001H ;Port A on 8155
TIMERLO EQU 3004H ;High 8 bits of 8155 Timer
TIMERHI EQU 3005H ;Low 8 bits of 8155 Timer
UARTDATA EQU E000H ;UART Data Register
UARTCMD EQU E001H ;UART Command Register
ORG 4000H ;SRAM location
MVI A,08H ;Set Low Timer Bits
STA TIMERLO
MVI A,40H ;Set High Timer Bits
STA TIMERHI
MVI A,11111101B ;Start Timer & Enable Port A
STA COMMAND
MVI A,11H ;Display 11 on 7-segment LEDs
STA PORTA
MVI A,00H ;Clear UART Command
STA UARTCMD
STA UARTCMD
STA UARTCMD
MVI A,01000000B ;Internally reset UART
STA UARTCMD
LDA UARTDATA ;Remove extraneous data
MVI A,01001111B ;Init UART for 8 data bits,
STA UARTCMD ; no parity, 1 stop bit, 64x async
MVI A,00100111B ;Enable Transmit and Receive
STA UARTCMD
INIT: LDA UARTCMD ;Read Status Register
ANI 02H ;Is RxRDY?
JZ INIT ;No, loop
LDA UARTDATA ;Read Data Character
CPI ' ' ;Is Character = 0x20?
JNZ INIT ;No, loop
MVI A,22H ;Character received,
STA PORTA ; Display 22 on 7-segment LEDs
HLT
END
C++ using BIOSCOM()
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <bios.h>
#define INIT 0
#define SEND 1
#define RECEIVE 2
#define STATUS 3
#define COM2 1
void
main()
{
char abyte;
abyte = 0xa3;
bioscom( INIT, abyte, COM2 );
printf( "Initialized COMM PORT 2\n" );
while( !( bioscom( STATUS, 0, COM2 ) & 0x4000 ) )
;
abyte = ' ';
bioscom( SEND, abyte, COM2 );
printf( "Sent start character\n" );
}
C++ using INT86()
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <dos.h>
#include <bios.h>
main()
{
union REGS registers;
registers.h.ah = 0x00;
registers.h.al = 0xa7;
registers.x.dx = 0x01;
int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters );
printf( "COM2 Initialized\n" );
registers.h.ah = 0x01;
registers.h.al = 0x20;
registers.x.dx = 0x01;
int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters );
printf( "Sent start character\n" );
}
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From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Subject: Licensing...
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Lines: 24
>This actually supports Bill's speculation - IF there is a backdoor in
>RSAREF and IF PKP is supported secretly by the NSA, then it is more
>than natural that they will welcome ANY public-key implementation that
>uses RSAREF and will strongly oppose themselves against ANY
>implementation that doesn't.
My speculation does not include or depend upon a trapdoor in RSAREF. I
do not believe that RSA would consent to such.
However, there are other limitation in the concept of RSAREF in which
NSA has an interest. It has an interest in a limited number of
implementations, i.e., targets. It has an interest in fixed key or
maximum modulus size.
It has a legitimate (literally) right to pursue such interests. Within
bounds, it probably has a right to pursue those interests by covert
means. At least it has the same right as the rest of us not to disclose
all of its motives and intentions. (Institutions are not self-aware;
they do not know their intentions in any meaningful sense.)
William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security
49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840
1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
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From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)
Subject: Re: NASP
Distribution: sci
Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL
Lines: 39
I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General
Accounting Office:
National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development
Efforts
December 1992
Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71
In the back it lists the following related reports:
NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26
Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia
(4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5
Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91)
GAO/NSIAD-91-194
Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign
Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS
Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological
Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43
NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build
the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122
On the inside back cover, under "Ordering Information" it says
"The first copy of each GAO report is free. . . . Orders
may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241
"
Dani
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Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/
Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt.
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From: jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail)
Subject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine...
Nntp-Posting-Host: cue.bc.ca
Organization: Computer Using Educators of B.C., Canada
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr13.090638.14653@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:
>
>I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a
Mac IIsi.
I have had my Q700 running with a 66.666 MHz osc for a few months. I have a
number of SCSI devices connected (Quantum LP52, Maxtor 213, Toshiba MK156F via
Emulex adapter, Pioneer DRM-600) and have had no trouble.
I am using the stock cooling facilities, I considered adding a fan/heat pump,
but don't feel they are necessary (for my box anyway). I have a temp meter on
order and plan to do some measurements when it arrives in a few weeks. Email me
if you want to see the results.
James MacPhail jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (on bounce, try james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca)
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From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page)
Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Lines: 46
In article <Apr.9.01.09.22.1993.16580@athos.rutgers.edu> munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes:
>Eventually, we got around to how
>we should pray in Jesus' name. Then, an excellent question came up, one
>that I don't have a real answer to. The question was, "If we need to pray
>in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God
>and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same
>way now?"
"And in that day you will ask Me no question. Truly, truly, I say to
you, if you shall ask the Father for anything, He will give it to you
in my name. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask, and
you will receive, that your joy may be made full."
-John 16:23-24
I don't believe that we necessarily have to say " . . . In Christ's name.
Amen," for our prayers to be heard, but it glorifies the Son, when we
acknowledge that our prayer is made possible by Him. I believe that just as
those who were saved in the OT, could only be saved because Jesus would one day
reconcile God to man, He is the only reason their prayers would be heard by
God.
For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
And all of us wither like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
-Isaiah 64:6, NAS
Our prayers like the rest of our deeds are too unholy to go directly to the
Father because they are tainted by our sin. Only by washing these prayers with
Christ's blood are they worthy to be lifted to to the Father.
"First, I thank my God through Christ Jesus . . ."
-Romans 1:8, NAS
Some scholars believe that this is Paul recognizing that even his thanks are
too unholy for the Father.
Basically, prayer is a gift of grace, I believe that only through Jesus
do our prayers have any power; thus, praying in His name glorifies and praises
Jesus for this beautiful and powerful gift He has given us.
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Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom,
A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that,
cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down,
| we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles
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From: disham@cymbal.calpoly.edu (David Isham)
Subject: Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE!
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Lines: 13
Well, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered
the price again!
Cobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike --> $75 or best offer!
dave
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly, Life, Liberty, and the
SLO, CA 93401 Pursuit of Land Speed Records.
-Autobahn Commuters
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: As Armenians celebrating the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people,...
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 65
In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes:
>or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see
>it happen again...
Is this the joke of the month?
1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people
between 1914 and 1920.
2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the
European Jewry during WWII.
3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children
and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last
four years.
The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the
Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians.
For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people
lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the
oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried
out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks
and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their
homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands
were empty of Turks and Kurds.
The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.
Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and
Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.
Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated
by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against
humanity.
x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide
against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations
to the Turks and Kurds.
Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine
their own future as a nation in their own homeland.
During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the
unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish
and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle
for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds.
Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United
States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative
Events, be they cultural, political or religious.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)
Subject: Re: 24 bit Graphics cards
In-Reply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:59:34 GMT
Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany
Lines: 20
>I am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least
>1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very
>expensive. All the other cards I know of, that support that
>resoultion, are striaght ISA.
What about the ELSA WINNER4000 (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, EISA), or the
Metheus Premier-4VL (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, ISA/VL) ?
>Also are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits?
As it just happens, SGCS has a Xserver (X386 1.4) that does
1024x768x24 on those cards. Please email to info@sgcs.com for more
details.
- Thomas
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Das Reh springt hoch, e-mail: roell@sgcs.com
das Reh springt weit, #include <sys/pizza.h>
was soll es tun, es hat ja Zeit ...
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From: folta@zen.holonet.net (Steve Folta)
Subject: Re: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170
Nntp-Posting-Host: zen.holonet.net
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem
Lines: 13
aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) writes:
> I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to
>make it wake up with SetWUTime().
The PowerBook 170 hardware doesn't have a wakeup timer. Nor does the 140.
The Mac Portable had one, and I think the PowerBook 100 had one. I don't
know about the newer PowerBooks, but I kind of doubt it. I got bit by
this too, and it took my a while rooting around on the developer CD
before I found this out.
Steve Folta
folta@well.sf.ca.us
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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Lines: 16
In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:
>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>
>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>
>Now what do I do?
Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.
I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.
Showing great restraint,
Keith Hanlan KeithH@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
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From: gt3635a@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg 'Spike' Bishop)
Subject: HELP!!! My ESDI is posessed by demons!
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Association for the Free Exchange of Information
Lines: 29
HELP! I really got ripped off and I need some help unripping myself.
I bought a Maxtor 4380 300mb ESDI HDD from Hi-Tech for $300, then paid to
get it repaired, for about another $300. Here's the deal: The thing works
fine! It low level formats, etc without any bad spots at all! AND THEN...
(Jaws Music) sectors start going bad! EEK!!! One at a time. Norton disk
doctor keeps marking some U and some C. That FIXES it. For about 5 minutes.
Then next day when I run NDD on it again: NO DICE more uncorrectable and
correctable sectors. AHHHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! So I fugure: "Ok, NDD's
just not being thurough enough, I'll use Spinrite, I heard that works well."
What happens? Spinrite goes and returns the clusters to active use!!!
AHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!! NDD undoes it of course. The problem seams to
be getting worse and worse. HOWEVER when the HDD is low level formatted
again the problem goes away for a while, only to return in a day or so.
I'm so pissed off right now I'm considering buying another HDD, and I really
can't afford it.
I'm using SMARTDRIVE, and WINDOWS 3.1 (I'm not using the 32 bit disk access
though, I know that can create problems). The disk is using the second
option to trick the controller into thinking it's got less then 1024 cyls,
and everything else selected is standard, maybe I need to use a different
head skew or something? I don't know.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!!! HELP!!!!
--
GT: "Designing tommorow the night before with yesterday's technology."
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