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From: acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (B. Bilal Acuner)
Subject: Turkish Preisident Turgut Ozal passed away
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT .
Mr. Ozal was 66 years old.
BahadIr Acuner
acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
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From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
Subject: Cryptography FAQ 04/10 - Mathematical Cryptology
Organization: The Crypt Cabal
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Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT
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Summary: Part 4 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Mathematical Cryptology.
Private-key systems. Types of attacks (brute-force, cyphertext,
plaintext, etc.). Mathematical formulation of cryptography. Security
of one-time pads.
X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part04
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 4: Mathematical Cryptology
This is the fourth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?
* What is an attack?
* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?
* Why is the one-time pad secure?
* What's a ciphertext-only attack?
* What's a known-plaintext attack?
* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?
* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?
* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?
* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?
A private-key cryptosystem consists of an encryption system E and a
decryption system D. The encryption system E is a collection of
functions E_K, indexed by ``keys'' K, mapping some set of
``plaintexts'' P to some set of ``ciphertexts'' C. Similarly the
decryption system D is a collection of functions D_K such that
D_K(E_K(P)) = P for every plaintext P. That is, succesful decryption
of ciphertext into plaintext is accomplished using the same key
(index) as was used for the corresponding encryption of plaintext
into ciphertext. Such systems, wherein the same key value is used to
encrypt and decrypt, are also known as ``symmetric'' cryptoystems.
* What is an attack?
In intuitive terms a (passive) attack on a cryptosystem is any method
of starting with some information about plaintexts and their
corresponding ciphertexts under some (unknown) key, and figuring out
more information about the plaintexts. It's possible to state
mathematically what this means. Here we go.
Fix functions F, G, and H of n variables. Fix an encryption system E,
and fix a distribution of plaintexts and keys.
An attack on E using G assuming F giving H with probability p is an
algorithm A with a pair f, g of inputs and one output h, such that
there is probability p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n), if we have
f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and g = G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)). Note that this
probability depends on the distribution of the vector (K,P_1,...,P_n).
The attack is trivial (or ``pointless'') if there is probability at
least p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n) if f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and
g = G(C_1,...,C_n). Here C_1,...,C_n range uniformly over the possible
ciphertexts, and have no particular relation to P_1,...,P_n. In other
words, an attack is trivial if it doesn't actually use the encryptions
E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n).
An attack is called ``one-ciphertext'' if n = 1, ``two-ciphertext'' if
n = 2, and so on.
* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?
In basic cryptology you can never prove that a cryptosystem is secure.
Read part 3: we keep saying ``a strong cryptosystem must have this
property, but having this property is no guarantee that a cryptosystem
is strong!''
In contrast, the purpose of mathematical cryptology is to precisely
formulate and, if possible, prove the statement that a cryptosystem is
strong. We say, for example, that a cryptosystem is secure against
all (passive) attacks if any nontrivial attack against the system (as
defined above) is too slow to be practical. If we can prove this
statement then we have confidence that our cryptosystem will resist
any (passive) cryptanalytic technique. If we can reduce this statement
to some well-known unsolved problem then we still have confidence that
the cryptosystem isn't easy to break.
Other parts of cryptology are also amenable to mathematical
definition. Again the point is to explicitly identify what assumptions
we're making and prove that they produce the desired results. We can
figure out what it means for a particular cryptosystem to be used
properly: it just means that the assumptions are valid.
The same methodology is useful for cryptanalysis too. The cryptanalyst
can take advantage of incorrect assumptions. Often he can try to
construct a proof of security for a system, see where the proof fails,
and use these failures as the starting points for his analysis.
* Why is the one-time pad secure?
By definition, the one-time pad is a cryptosystem where the
plaintexts, ciphertexts, and keys are all strings (say byte strings)
of some length m, and E_K(P) is just the sum (let's say the exclusive
or) of K and P.
It is easy to prove mathematically that there are _no_ nontrivial
single-ciphertext attacks on the one-time pad, assuming a uniform
distribution of keys. Note that we don't have to assume a uniform
distribution of plaintexts. (Here's the proof: Let A be an attack,
i.e., an algorithm taking two inputs f, g and producing one output h,
with some probability p that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and
g = G(E_K(P)) (i.e., g = G(K + P)). Then, because the distribution of
K is uniform and independent of P, the distribution of K + P must also
be uniform and independent of P. But also the distribution of C is
uniform and independent of P. Hence there is probability exactly p
that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and g = G(C), over all P and C. Thus
a fortiori A is trivial.)
On the other hand the one-time pad is _not_ secure if a key K is used
for more than one plaintext: i.e., there are nontrivial
multiple-ciphertext attacks. So to be properly used a key K must be
thrown away after one encryption. The key is also called a ``pad'';
this explains the name ``one-time pad.''
* What's a ciphertext-only attack?
In the notation above, a ciphertext-only attack is one where F is
constant. Given only some information G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)) about
n ciphertexts, the attack has to have some chance of producing some
information H(P_1,...,P_n) about the plaintexts. The attack is trivial
if it has just as good a chance of producing H(P_1,...,P_n) when given
G(C_1,...,C_n) for random C_1,...,C_n.
For example, say G(C) = C, and say H(P) is the first bit of P. We can
easily write down an attack---the ``guessing attack,'' which simply
guesses that H(P) is 1. This attack is trivial because it doesn't use
the ciphertext: it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing correctly no
matter what. On the other hand there is an attack on RSA which
produces one bit of information about P, with 100% success, using C.
If it is fed a random C then the success rate drops to 50%. So this is
a nontrivial attack.
* What's a known-plaintext attack?
The classic known-plaintext attack has F(P_1,P_2) = P_1,
G(C_1,C_2) = (C_1,C_2), and H(P_1,P_2) depending only on P_2.
In other words, given two ciphertexts C_1 and C_2 and one decryption
P_1, the known-plaintext attack should produce information about the
other decryption P_2.
Note that known-plaintext attacks are often defined in the literature
as producing information about the key, but this is pointless: the
cryptanalyst generally cares about the key only insofar as it lets him
decrypt further messages.
* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?
A chosen-plaintext attack is the first of an increasingly impractical
series of _active_ attacks on a cryptosystem: attacks where the
cryptanalyst feeds data to the encryptor. These attacks don't fit into
our model of passive attacks explained above. Anyway, a
chosen-plaintext attack lets the cryptanalyst choose a plaintext and
look at the corresponding ciphertext, then repeat until he has figured
out how to decrypt any message. More absurd examples of this sort of
attack are the ``chosen-key attack'' and ``chosen-system attack.''
A much more important form of active attack is a message corruption
attack, where the attacker tries to change the ciphertext in such a
way as to make a useful change in the plaintext.
There are many easy ways to throw kinks into all of these attacks:
for instance, automatically encrypting any plaintext P as
T,E_K(h(T+R+P),R,P), where T is a time-key (sequence number) chosen anew
for each message, R is a random number, and h is a one-way hash
function. Here comma means concatenation and plus means exclusive-or.
* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?
Consider the following known-plaintext attack. We are given some
plaintexts P_1,...,P_{n-1} and ciphertexts C_1,...,C_{n-1}. We're
also given a ciphertext C_n. We run through every key K. When we find
K such that E_K(P_i) = C_i for every i < n, we print D_K(C_n).
If n is big enough that only one key works, this attack will succeed
on valid inputs all the time, while it will produce correct results
only once in a blue moon for random inputs. Thus this is a nontrivial
attack. Its only problem is that it is very slow if there are many
possible keys.
* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?
Say somebody is using the one-time pad---but isn't choosing keys
randomly and uniformly from all m-bit messages, as he was supposed to
for our security proof. In fact say he's known to prefer keys which
are English words. Then a cryptanalyst can run through all English
words as possible keys. This attack will often succeed, and it's much
faster than a brute-force search of the entire keyspace.
We can measure how bad a key distribution is by calculating its
entropy. This number E is the number of ``real bits of information''
of the key: a cryptanalyst will typically happen across the key within
2^E guesses. E is defined as the sum of -p_K log_2 p_K, where p_K is
the probability of key K.
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From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall
Organization: Temple University
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails) (balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu
: Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall
: My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp.
: Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet. But try convincing the Ford
: service person to fix it for free...Right!!!
: Tony
Gads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars! I thought
these were premium American automobiles. The way they sell, you'd think so.
Is Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin
cans like the Granada and the Fairmount? Which would you get, a Taurus or
a Camry or Accord?
John
zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
zorro@astro.ocis.temple.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games
Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
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In <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) writes:
>But, the following games only play out of the left channel:
...
>But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers.
Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and
mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in
stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while
some are "truly" mono (like the LC)
Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is
guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some
send data to both, some only send data to the left channel
(the first is preferrable, of course)
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
Engineering: "How will this work?" Science: "Why will this work?" Management:
"When will this work?" Liberal Arts: "Do you want fries with that?"
-- Jesse N. Schell
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From: UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET
Subject: Software Sale
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Lines: 34
Hi,
I have the following software forsale:
Microsoft MS-DOS 5.0 3.5"DD $15
-- This is a good buy for those who don't need all the utils in DOS 6.0
Accolade Hardball II 5.25"DD $10
-- Good arcade baseball game, graphics/sound are pretty good, has the
ability to make schedules and edit player stats
Accolade The Third Courier 5.25"HD $5
-- Adventure/Spy type game
EGA Earl Weaver 2 3.5"DD $15
-- Good arcade/strategy type baseball game, you have ability to play
for league play, i have MLB stats for 1990 and 1991
EGA Stormovik SU25: Soviet Attack Fighter 3.5"DD $10
-- Good fighter simulation, various missions and levels of play
Sierra Thexder FireHawk 3.5" & 5.25" $5
-- Arcade shoot 'em up type game, nice music and sound effects
Virgen Scrabble 3.5" $5
-- computer version of the popular board game
I'm willing to negotiate on the prices, prices do not include shipping.
Shipping costs will be split 50/50. Drop me a line! :)
Roberto Alvarez ud156844@ndsuvm1
Programmer Analyst ud156844@vm1.nodak.edu
University of North Dakota adrxa@undjes2
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
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In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
|> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial
|> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use
|> unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists
|> whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit
|> out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers.
|>
|> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA
|> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that
|> he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic
|> genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out
|> binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence
But why do you characterize this as a "flight of fancy" or a "fantasy"?
While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious
that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was
at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance
of current theory coupled with his observations. It would appear that
something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation
into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation). This
does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of
fancy or a fantasy.
|>
|> It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps
|> you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out
|> for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first
|> advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from
|> modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole.
Well, I think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word (also,
"extra-scientific", etc.). Nor am I prepared to give a general account of
rationality. In terms of examples, there is some danger of beginning to quibble
over what a "surprising" experiment is, what counts as "surprising", etc.
The same may be said about "logical grounds". My point is that quite frequently
(perhaps even most frequently) the roots of a new theory can be traced to
previously existing theories (or even to previously rejected hypotheses of
some other theory or domain). I would offer some rather well known examples
such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his "sea of air"
hypothesis. Was this theory (and the resulting experimental test) "surprising"?
Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must
be counted as so. Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed)
out of "perfectly rational grounds"? Well, there was a pretty successful and
well know theory of fluids. The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit.
The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty
at the time). Was the theory interesting? Yes. Was it "new"? Well, one
could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new
domain, but I think this begs certain questions. We can debate that if you
like.
--
Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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From: "Mohammad Al-Ansari" <alansari@mango.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: 17" Monitors
Organization: Indiana University Computer Science, Bloomington
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In article <1993Apr10.082253.19597@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk (Forrest Normandy) writes:
>I want to buy a 17" monitor, any comment on Nanno T560i, NEC 5FG,
>SII 17" ???
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>--
>________________________________________________________________________
> Forrest Normandy | The Hong Kong University of
> Internet : cs_ngfo@stu.ust.hk | Science and Technology
> E-mail : cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk | Department of Computer Science
> Phone : (852) 358-8631 Rm 608 |------------------------------------
> Paging : 1128635 a/c 4860 | Rm 608, UG Hall 4, HKUST, Hong Kong
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windows Sources Magazine reviewed a number of 17" monitors recently
and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if
you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro
17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality.
This monitor can be had for around $1070.
Has anyone actually seen any of these? I am also thinking of buying a
17" monitor and was going to consider the Mitsubishi. If I remember
correctly, I think its viewing area is 16" measured diagonally.
Thanks.
--
Mohammad Al-Ansari alansari@cs.indiana.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
From: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: <<Pompous ass
<1q52q8INN6pi@gap.caltech.edu> <93099.234144MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
<1q8lk3INNitq@gap.caltech.edu> <93102.062908MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
<93105.022621TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu>
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In article <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan
Schneider) says:
>
>Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they
>>should not have available to use.
>
>It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too?
>God Bless America? The list goes on...
Worse? Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the
rules the US govt. supposedly follows. Maybe the others
should be changed to? But I'm not personally as concerned
about the anthem since I don't come across it in daily
nearly unavoidable routines.
>>every christian. And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the
>>face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging
>>gets boring.
>
>Then you'd be no better than the people you despise.
I don't despise the people...just their opinions. I meant
when chatting with the ones who refuse to listen to any idea
other than their own...then it just becomes an exercise for
amusement.
>[...]
>>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read:
>> "In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"
>
>Would you approve of such a motto?
No. ...not unless the only way to get rid of the current one
was to change it to such as that.
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From: bbf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN BROOKER FRADKIN)
Subject: Tigers pound Mariners!!!!!!!
Organization: Lehigh University
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Were they palying football or baseball in Detroit on Saturday? From looking
at the school, some people may think it was football. Between two games this
week, the Tigers scored 40 runs!!!! The offense can carry them, I hope the
pitching will hold out. I was at Camden Yards yesterday, everytime I looked
up the score was getting higher. What a great site it was to see the Tigers
kicking butt while enjoying a game at Camden Yards. GO TIGERS AND GO TONY
PHILLIPS!!!!!!!!
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From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)
Subject: Re: sex education
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 45
In article <Apr.8.00.57.31.1993.28227@athos.rutgers.edu> jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes:
>It seems I spend a significant amount of my time correcting errors about
>the reliability tests for condoms and abstinence. A few years ago I saw
>that famous study that showed a "10% failure rate" for condoms. The
>same study showed a 20% failure rate for abstinence!! That is, adult
>couples who relied on abstinence to prevent pregnancy got pregnant in
>alarming numbers--they didn't have the willpower to abstain. And we're
>thinking that this will work with high school kids?!?
I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style "values-free" methods, that
teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make "choices",
actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while
back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested. The
article included sources to contact for information on research verifying
these statements, and an outstanding source for info on acquiring
abstinence-related curricula even in single-copy quantities for home use.
The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula
were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens. I assume that it is
reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy
rate.
The difference is not in "contraceptive technology" but in the values taught
to the children. The PP/SIECUS curricula taught the kids that they have
legitimate choices, while the abstinence related curricula taught them that
they did _not_ have _legitimate_ choices other than abstinence. It is the
values system that is the strongest determinent of the behavior behavior of
these kids.
Despite the better track record of abstinence-related curricula, they are
suppressed in favor of curricula that produce an effect contrary to that
desired.
Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks): Why don't
we teach "safe drug use" to kids, instead of drug abstinence? Isn't it
because we know that a class in "how to use drugs safely if you _choose_ to
use drugs" would increase drug use? Why isn't "drug abstinence education"
barred from schools because it teaches "religion"? Aren't we abandoning
those children who will use drugs anyway, and need instruction in their safe
use?
--
Joe Kellett
jkellett@netcom.com
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: An Iranian Azeri Who Would Drop an Atomic Bomb on Armenia
Summary: fool
Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.231047.13120
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 70
In article <93104.101314FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> FARID <FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET>
writes:
[FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of
[FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which
[FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the
[FARID] territory of Azerbaijan.
Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting!
[FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will
[FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in
[FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation.
Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international
laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and
depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh?
[FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not
[FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will
[FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia.
And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani?
[FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for
[FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present
[FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much
[FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!!
Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had
non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828.
Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years!
Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from
Karabakh! That will be a real good trick!
[FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb
[FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases
[FARID] regarding the potential of Iran).
So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by
forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians.
[FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's
[FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it.
Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are
a damn fool, Farid!
[FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a
[FARID] few short years!).
So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well.
[FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only
[FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter
[FARID] indeed.
And the Armenians will take your "peaceful" dropping of an atomic bomb as
an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an
Iranian Azeri!
Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??
Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
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In article <1993Apr2.182402.28700@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes:
|> |> The 'beam' is split in two, with one beam aimed at the target car (sort of) and
|> |> the other at the ground. The speeds of each are calulated for the final
|> |> number
|>
|> Actually, this is true on the more expensive ones, but the cheaper ones
|> just read the speedometer.
I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes
them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes
of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam
moving-mode.
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howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!dpw
Subject: Periodic Post of Charley Challenges, #3, with additions
From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
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New in this version: challenge #5, plus an addendum summarizing
Charley's responses to-date..
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*** This is a posting made periodically in an attempt to encourage
*** Charley Wingate to address direct challenges to his evidently
*** specious claims. I'll continue to re-post periodically until
*** he answers them, publicly indicates that he won't answer them,
*** stops posting to alt.atheism, the alt.atheism community tells
*** me to stop, or I get totally bored. I apologize for the
*** somewhat juvenile nature of this approach, but I'm at a loss
*** to figure out another way to crack his intransigence and
*** seeming intellectual dishonesty.
***
*** This is re-post #3.
Charley,
I can't help but notice that you have still failed to provide answers
to substantive questions that have been raised in response to your
previous posts. I submit that you don't answer them because you
cannot answer them without running afoul of your own logic, and I once
again challenge you to prove me wrong. To make the task as easy for
you as possible, I'll present concise re-statements of some of the
questions that you have failed to answer, in the hope that you may
address them one at a time for all to see.
Should you fail to answer again within a reasonable time period, I
will re-post this article, with suitable additions and deletions, at
such time that I notice a post by you on another topic. I will repeat
this procedure until you either address the outstanding challenges or
you cease to post to this newsgroup.
I would like to apologize in advance if you have answered any of these
questions previously and your answer missed my notice. If you can be
kind enough to re-post or e-mail such articles, I will be only too
pleased to publicly rescind the challenge in question, and remove it
from this list.
Now, to the questions...
1. After claiming that all atheists fit into neat psychological
patterns that you proposed, then semi-retracting that claim by stating
that you weren't referring to *all* atheists, I asked you to name some
atheists who you feel don't fit your patterns, to show that you indeed
were not referring to all atheists that you are aware of. You failed
to do so. Please do so now.
Question: Can you name any a.a posters who do not fit into your
stereotype?
Here is the context for the question:
>>> This is not true for everyone on this board, and you are out of line
>>> in assuming that it is.
>>
>>YOU, however, deleted the text further along where I said that I didn't mean
>>to imply that everybody's experience was along the same lines.
>
>Whether or not you *mean* to make such implications, you do so
>repeatedly.
>
>Allow me to approach the issue from another viewpoint: can you name
>those atheists that you've come across who *do not* fit into the
>patterns that you theorize?
2. You have taken umbrage to statements to the effect that "senses and
reason are all we have to go by", and when pressed, you have implied
that we have an alternative called revelation. I have repeatedly
asked you to explain what revelation is and how one can both
experience and interpret revelation without doing so via our senses
and reason. You failed to do so. Please do so now.
Question: Can you explain what is revelation and how one can
experience and interpret it without using senses and inherent
reasoning?
Here is the context for the question:
>>Revelation is not reason, and if we DO have revelation, then
>>reasoning is NOT all we have.
>First, show me that revelation exists. Second, if revelation is not
>perceived through the senses, how exactly is it perceived? According
>to my Webster's, revelation is "an act of revealing or communicating
>divine truth." Now, tell me how such a thing can be revealed/
>communicated other than via the senses? Tell me how you can interpret
>this revelation other than with reason, that is, using your brain to
>interpret what you are sensing. When I say there is no way for a
>human being to interface with the universe other than via the senses as
>interpreted by reason (your brain), it is because this is the simple
>truth. If you have another mechanism of interface, by all means,
>share it with us.
then later...
>>>You CANNOT escape the fact that our entire interface with the universe is
>>>our senses and our reason, period.
>>
>>Again, this is indefensible.
>
>No, it is simple truth. I challenge you to show me otherwise.
then later...
>>Few mystics will agree to this assertion, and the common defense of
>>redefining "senses" to absorb (for instance) mystical experiences is
>>begs the question of whether some senses are better than others.
>
>I allow you the broadest definition of senses, to make things easier
>for you. Now, show me that "mystical experiences" exist. Remember,
>you aren't allowed to go by testimony of others (e.g., mystics), since
>you have dismissed my testimony as unreliable - you know, tainted by
>my own bias. Further, once these mystical thingies are absorbed, show
>me evidence that a human can recognize and respond to them short of
>interpretation via that person's reasoning capabilities.
>
>I challenge you to show me these things. If you cannot do so, you
>might as well give up the fight.
then later...
>Let me reiterate, you have NOT explained your interpretation of your
>experiences, so it is not possible for me to have attacked them. In
>point of fact, I specifically challenged you to explain this
>revelation stuff that you were talking about, and I note for the
>record that you appear to have declined my challenge.
>
>*What* is it? *How* is it sensed? *How* is it interpreted? And
>*how* does this sensing and interpretation occur without the conduit
>of our senses and reasoning abilities? You have answered none of
>these questions that go straight to the heart of your claims. If you
>can't answer them, your claims are entirely specious.
3. You have stated that all claims to dispassionate analysis made by
a.a posters are unverifiable and fantastical. I asked you to identify
one such claim that I have made. You have failed to do so. Please do
so now.
Question: Have I made any claims at all that are unverifiable and
fantastical? If so, please repeat them.
Here is the context for the question:
>>I must thank David Wood a most sensitive and intelligent (if wrong :-))
>>posting.
then later...
>>Likewise, the reference to "unverifiable, fantastical
>>claims" represents fairly accurately my reaction to all of the claims to
>>dispassionate analysis that are repeated in this group.
>
>Give me your address and I'll be pleased to send you a dictionary.
>Failing that, can you name ONE claim that I have made that is in any
>sense unverifiable or fantastical? I demand that you retract this
>statement if you cannot offer up evidence. If you follow your usual
>pattern of ignoring the challenge, then you are simply an asshole.
4. First you dismissed claims by atheists that they became atheists as
a result of reason, then later you stated that if one accepted the
"axioms" of reason that one couldn't help but become atheist. I asked
you to explain the contradiction. Your only response was a statement
that the question was incoherent, an opinion not shared by others that
I have asked, be they atheist or theist. You have failed to answer
the question. Please do so now.
Question: Do you retract your claim that a.a posters have not become
atheists as a result of reason, despite their testimony to that
effect? If you don't retract that claim, do you retract the
subsequent claim that acceptance of the axioms of reason inevitably
result in atheism?
Here is the context for the question:
[First quote]
>>...we have here a bunch of people who claim that their position is
>>based on reason... it is up to atheists to prove it to me...
>
>then,
>
[Second quote]
>>...but I do not see how one can accept these axioms and not end up with
>>an atheistic point of view.
5. First, you claimed that you would (probably) not answer these
Challenges because they contained too much in the way of "included
text" from previous posts. Later, you implied that you wouldn't
respond because I was putting words in your mouth. Please clarify
this seeming contradiction.
Question: Do you prefer to respond to Challenges that include context
from your own posts, or that I paraphrase your positions in order to
avoid "included text"?
Here is the context for the question:
First you said:
>>My ordinary rules are that I don't read articles over over 150 lines
>>or articles in which there is nothing but included text on the first
>>screen. THese are not rules of morality, but practicality.
then later...
>>If someone is not going to argue with MY version of MY position, then
>>they cannot be argued with.
As usual, your responses are awaited with anticipation.
--Dave Wood
p.s., For the record, below is a compilation of Charley's responses to
these challenges to date.
3/18/93
>>This makes no sense to me at all; it gives the appearance either of utter
>>incoherence, or of answering some question of Mr. Wood's imagination.
3/31/93 (#1)
>>Mr. Wood, I do not subscribe to the opinion that a gauntlet thrown down on
>>the net requires any response whatsoever. At some point I might read and
>>respond to your article, and then again, I might not. My ordinary rules are
>>that I don't read articles over over 150 lines or articles in which there is
>>nothing but included text on the first screen. THese are not rules of
>>morality, but practicality.
3/31/93 (#2)
>>I left out something else I don't respond to.
>>...
>>Utmost on my list of things to avoid are arguments about the arguments
>>(meta-arguments, as some call them).
4/3/93
>>When I have to start saying "that's not what I said", and the response is
>>"did so!", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue
>>with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with.
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From: tiger@netcom.com (TIGER ZHAO)
Subject: Re: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed
Organization: Tiger's Garage
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yuri@atmos.washington.edu writes:
> I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around
$17-20/piece.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I assume you are talking about 1meg X 9 SIMMs, or 1Meg X 9 SIPPs with
speed of 70ns? I would take 10K pieces per week if you have that price.
(FOB US port).
I am not waiting for an offer with that price, I could only dream.
tiger
>I am waiting for an offer.
> Yuri Yulaev
> 6553, 38th ave NE
> Seattle WA 98115
> (206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home)
> (206) 685-3793 (work)
> (206) 524-7218 (FAX)
>INTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu
>UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri
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From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick)
Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?!
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu
In article <C5uC68.19K@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>
>This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than
>UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one
>of them shorts.
Not necessarily true; a short in one, if near the maximum series
voltage drop, will overvoltage the other one and short it too, more
--
<BGB>
lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't
(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that
from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Lines: 12
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
NJ> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been
traded,
NJ> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any
other
NJ> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
Mike Foligno was captain of the Buffalo Sabres when he was traded to
Toronto.
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
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brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>
>They do not want to know it or be exposed to light
>because their own evil deeds will be uncovered. And so by their
>own choice, they will remain in darkness. Sort of like bugs under
>a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the
>darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be
>comfortable. These people will crawl out from under the rock,
>and although blinded at first, will get accustomed to the light
>and enjoy its warm. And after a while, by virtue of the light,
>they will see the depths of their own shortcomings AND how to correct them.
>And also, they will see that there is much much more to this world
>than just the narrow little experiences under the rock. They will
>discover that life under a rock was incredibly yukky and that
>life with the Light of the World, is great. So great, that they
>will want to tell all their friends about it.
And I maintain:
Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that
they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too
afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. And so, by
their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs
under a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the
darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable.
These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded
at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth. And,
after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are,
they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places
they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the
world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their
successes.
They will see that there is much much more to the world than just the
narrow experiences under the rock. They will discover that life under
a rock was incredibly yucky, and that life on their own terms is great
-- so great that they will want to tell everyone else about it.
Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm
getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved
immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be
a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the
long hike, but it's well worth it!
>Not all people hate light Kent. We all have an adversion to it to some
>extent. But Brian Kendig who has been replying to this thread certainly likes
>darkness. Brian K. enjoys stating false concepts and false pressumptions
>about the God of the Bible. Without checking his own presumptions,
>he compares my God with Odin or Zeus.
Look, you just practically equated Odin and Zeus? They're as much
different as your god is from them...
Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness
with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not
something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept.
Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good
*reason* to, don't you?
>Withough checking his own
>presumption, he thinks hell is the equivalent of non-existence.
When did I say that? I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead
of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity
decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it.
>Do you enjoy darkness? Most people will honestly admit "yes". Most people
>are fond of their sexual sins, their hording of money, their
>selfishness, and not to mention, their Biblical ignorance.
Nope -- most people are Christian. Most people are fond of feeling
that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable
place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and
holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little
sheep. You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it.
You may know the Bible well -- but have you read any of the Koran? Or
Zen writings? Or Hare Krishna literature? If you haven't, then how
can you say you have an open mind?
>Sin is fun! Let's
>admit it. But a life of sin leads to trouble and death in this
>life, and hell in the next.
Nope. You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your
failures; then you die. If you are content with the life you've led
as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a
good life.
>Come out from under the rock.
Please do.
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
> life."
I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god
I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in
which case it's not really all that important.
Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about
who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me
and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right.
--
_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
/ The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
/ is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
<1p6rgcINNhfb@gap.caltech.edu> <1p88fi$4vv@fido.asd.sgi.com>
<1p9bseINNi6o@gap.caltech.edu> <1pamva$b6j@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pcq4pINNqp1@gap.caltech.edu> <30071@ursa.bear.com>
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>>I think an objective morality does exist, but that most flavors of morality
>>are only approximations to it. Once again, a natural or objective morality
>>is fairly easily defined, as long as you have a goal in mind--that is, what
>>is the purpose of this morality.
>Maybe I'm not quite getting what you mean by this, but I think objective
>morality is an oxymoron. By definition, it seems, any _goal_ oriented
>issue like this is subjective by nature. I don't get how you're using
>the word objective.
But, the goal need not be a subjective one. For instance, the goal of
natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps. It wasn't
really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions
to this were necessary. Intelligent animals have different needs than
the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more
complicated than "the law of the jungle." I don't think that
self-actualization is so subjective as you might think. And, by
objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be
carried out completely.
keith
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From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee)
Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
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In article <C5spEC.EuC@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
>Kevin L. Stamber
>Purdue University
>...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews.
Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the
newsgroup header next time before posting!
Steve
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Millitello update
Distribution: usa
<1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu>
Lines: 10
In article <1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam
Millitello) says:
>
>Uhhhh I think I spelled my name correctly. Sam Millitello.
>
uhhhh there are only three l's.
bob vesterman.
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From: ross@vorpal.ucsb.edu (Richard Ross)
Subject: Powerbook with a math coprocessor?
Keywords: powerbook, math coprocessor, pb160
Lines: 9
I really want to buy a powerbook and would like one that can run
Mathematica. So I need a coprocessor but I can not afford a PB180.
(who can?) Is it possible to put a MCP in a PB160? The guy at the
bookstore says no but I didn't think he had too much of a clue.
Please respond by e-mail: ross@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu
thanks in advance, richard
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From: langley@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Randolph Langley)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Distribution: na
Organization: FSU Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
Lines: 8
In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of 16 Apr 93 15:19:06 GMT
Gee, I guess they should also have such a repository for house keys,
car keys, safety deposit keys, ... :-(
rdl
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From: Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on...
Organization: MDA-W
Lines: 22
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: q5022531.mdc.com
In article <_vv58kl@rpi.edu>, pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) wrote:
>
> Anyone know what would cause my IIcx to not turn on when I hit the keyboard
> switch? The one in the back of the machine doesn't work either...
> The only way I can turn it on is to unplug the machine for a few minutes,
> then plug it back in and hit the power switch in the back immediately...
> Sometimes this doesn't even work for a long time...
TJ
This problem is most likely the same that all cx users are experiencing....
Thanks to one very adventurous USENET reader (sorry I can't remember the
guy's name! Somebody please post it....he deserves the credit for saving
us all $$$$$) it is easily fixed, if it is the same problem......
Best I can figure it is due to time, heat and repeated warmup/cool downs in
the power supply....i.e., bad solder joints in the power supply circuit
card. Go get a desolder tool from radio shack, a low wattage iron and some
good nonacid solder and resolder the lower left quadrant of the circuit
card with the AC plugs facing away from you..........or get someone to do
it for you. It took me less then 10 minutes and saved me at least $300 for
a new supply!
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: The museum of 'BARBARISM'.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 215
In article <C5I7Ap.ELD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes:
>What about Cyprus?? The majority of the population is christian, but
>your fellow Turkish friends DID and STILL DOING a 'good' job for you
>by cleaning the area from christians.
All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of
Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never
abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally
hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the
parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole
perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July
15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop
Makarios.
Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with
the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right
given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently
and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For
those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island
since 1571.
The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences
for this irresponsible conduct.
THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM
2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus
It is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at
the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched
against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat
Ilhan's wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally
killed in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage
Greeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the
24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities
committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which
has been converted into a museum.
AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY
GREEK TERRORISTS
The date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the
Greeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been
going on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men
and children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal
Area of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage
bloodshed...
The wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a
major on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent,
are mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the
bathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their
home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism.
Let us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by
Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded
during the same terrible event.
"On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan
and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan.
Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs.
Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting
having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River
direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain.
Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was
dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought
would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in
the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We
waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing
in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her
arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open.
Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house
with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard
voices saying, in Greek, "You want Taksim eh!" and then bullets
started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children
fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks,
who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I
heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.
When I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and
her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the
neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what
had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to
the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was
brutally murdered.
In the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying
"Help, help. Is there no one to save us?" I became terrified. I
thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not
dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself
under the double-bed.
An our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My
mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some
water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the
bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I
offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who
were all wounded.
We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I
thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed
to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber
and I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked
as far as Koshklu Chiftlik.
There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were
operated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there
were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs.
Ayshe and her daughter.
After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to
Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months
treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus,
Greeks arrested me at the Airport.
All I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my
detention. They then released me."
ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER
We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in
which 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five
days.
We were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some
terrible sights.
In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way
into a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A
child's bicycle lay in a corner.
In the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three
children piled on top of their murdered mother.
In a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the
head.
This, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose
family had been killed by the mob in the first violence.
Today was five days later, and still they lay there.
Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")
"...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant
children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."
Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964
Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus.
Date : 1 January, 1964.
IL GIARNO (Italy)
THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.
Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This
time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to
cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.
Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
Date: 14 January 1964
DAILY HERALD (London)
AN APPALLING SIGHT
And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.
In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.
DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE
Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three
more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to
locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Goalie masks
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 13
I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know
who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's
of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your
vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
Thanks for your time.
--
GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS! ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca
Subject: Yet more crazy predictions
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Lines: 36
Well here it goes...my crazy predictions (which never come true, but hey..)
Adams
Bos vs. Buf - Bos in 5 (cakewalk for the hot Bruins)
Que vs. Mon - Que in 6 (best series of the first round)
Patrick
Pit vs. NYI - Pit in 5 (NYI wins fourth game)
Was vs. NJD - NJD in 7 (a grueling upset, possibly OT in game 7)
Norris
Chi vs. StL - Chi in 5 (StL is no match for Keenan's Krew)
Det vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Clark steps it up in playoffs this year)
Smythe (who cares?)
Van vs. Win - Win in 7 (so I'm caught up in Teemu-mania, sue me!)
Cal vs. LAK - Cal in 5 (LA sucks!!!!!!!!! IMO)
Division finals
Bos vs. Que - Bos in 7 (killer games, watch for Cam to shine)
Pit vs. NJD - Pit in 6 (NJD go insane, kill all on ice, but Pit wins)
Chi vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Tor defense finally get it together)
Cal vs. Win - Cal in 6 (Win too tired after 1st series)
Conference finals
Pit vs. Bos - Bos in 6 (Pit too beat up by NJD to play (I hope))
Cal vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Vernon turns into a sieve)
Stanley Cup
Bos vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Two totally different teams, who knows? Dreams
can come true, pig might one day evolve wings)
Feel free to laugh at my predictions, I always do!
Barfly
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Lines: 14
In <1993Apr5.191011.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way??
>Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to
>much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?).
You missed something. I think it takes off vertically and is intended
to land the same way.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael)
Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon
Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289
Lines: 10
dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
> Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are
> there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)
Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com
Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289
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From: vilok@bmerh322.bnr.ca (Vilok Kusumakar)
Subject: Future of methanol
Reply-To: vilok@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 23
I hope this is the correct newsgroup for this.
What is the scoop on Methanol and its future as an alternative fuel for
vehicles ? How does it compare to ethanol ?
There was some news about health risks involved. Anybody know about
that. How does the US Clean Air act impact the use of Methanol by the
year 1995 ?
I think its Methyl Tertiary butyl ether which the future industries will
use as a substitute for conventional fuels.
There is company Methanex which produces 12% of the world's supply of
Methanol. Does anybody know about it ?
Please reply by e-mail as I do not read these newsgroups.
Thanks in advance.
--
Vilok Kusumakar OSI Protocols for tomorrow......
vilok@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.
Phone: (613) 763-2273 P.O. Box 3511, Station C
Fax: (613) 765-4777 Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7
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From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Water supplies vulnerable to Milwaukee-type disease outbreak
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Lines: 182
Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council.
New Data Show About 100 Major U.S. Water Supplies Vulnerable To
Milwaukee-Type Disease Outbreak
To: National Desk, Environment Writer
Contact: Erik Olson or Sarah Silver, 202-783-7800, both
of the Natural Resources Defense Council
WASHINGTON, April 14 -- Internal EPA data released
today by the Natural Resources Defense Council reveals that about
100 large water systems -- serving cities from Boston to San
Francisco -- do not filter to remove disease-carrying organisms
leaving those communities potentially vulnerable to a disease
outbreak similar to the one affecting Milwaukee.
The EPA list is attached.
"These internal EPA documents reveal that the safety of water
supplies in many American cities is threatened by inadequate
pollution controls or filtration," said Erik Olson, a senior
attorney with NRDC. "Water contamination isn't just a problem in
Bangladesh, it's also a problem in Bozeman and Boston."
"As of June 29, 1993, about 100 large surface water systems on
EPA's list probably will be breaking the law. The 1986 Safe
Drinking Water Act requires all surface water systems to either
filter their water or fully protect the rivers or lakes they use
from pollution," Olson continued. Some systems are moving
towards eventually implementing filtration systems but are
expected to miss the law's deadline.
Olson pointed out that the threat of contamination is already
a reality in other cities. A 1991 survey of 66 U.S. surface
water systems by water utility scientists found that 87 percent
of raw water samples contained the Milwaukee organism
cryptosporidium, and 81 percent contained a similar parasite
called giardia.
Adding to the level of concern, a General Accounting Office
study released today by House Health and Environment Subcommittee
Chairman Henry Waxman indicates serious deficiencies in the
nation's system for conducting and following through on sanitary
surveys of water systems.
"This new information raises a huge warning sign that millions
of Americans can no longer simply turn on their taps and be
assured that their water is safe to drink. We must immediately
put into place programs to protect water sources from
contamination and where this is not assured, filtration equipment
must be installed to protect the public," Olson noted. "The time
has come for many of the nation's water utilities to stop
dragging their feet and to aggressively protect their water from
contamination; consumers are prepared to pay the modest costs
needed to assure their water is safe to drink."
NRDC is a national non-profit environmental advocacy organization.
Systems EPA Indicates Require Filtration and Do Not Adequately
Protect Watersheds
CONNECTICUT
Bridgeport Bridgeport Hydraulic Co.
MASSACHUSETTS
Boston H2O Resource Author (MWRA)
Medford MWRA-Medford Water Dept
Melrose MWRA-Melrose Water Dept
Hilton MWRA-Hilton Water Dept
Needham MWRA-Needham Water Division
Newtoncenter MWRA-Newton Water Dept.
Marblehead MWRA-Marblehead Water Dept
Quincy MWRA-Quincy Water Dept
Norwood MWRA-Norwood Water Dept
Framingham MWRA-Framingham Water Div
Cambridge MWRA-Cambridge Water Dept
Canton MWRA-Canton Water Div-DPW
Chelsea MWRA-Chelsea Water Dept
Everett MWRA-Everett Water Dept
Lexington MWRA-201 Bedford (PUO WRKS)
Lynn MWRA-Lynn Water & Sewer Co
Malden MWRA-Malden Water Division
Revere MWRA-Revere Water Dept
Woburn MWRA-Woburn Water Dept
Swampscott MWRA-Swampscott Water Dept
Saugus MWRA-Saugus Water Dept
Somerville MWRA-Somerville Water Dept
Stoneman MWRA-Stoneman Water Dept
Brookline MWRA-Brookline Water Dept
Wakefield MWRA-Same as Above
Waltham MWRA-Waltham Water Division
Watertown MWRA-Watertown Water Division
Weston MWRA-Weston Water Dept
Dedham MWRA-Dedham-Westwood District
Winchester MWRA-Winchester Water & Sewer
Winthrop MWRA-Winthrop Water Dept
Boston MWRA-Boston Water & Sewer Co
S. Hadley MWRA-South Hadley Fire Dist
Arlington MWRA-Arlington Water Dept
Belmont MWRA-Belmont Water Dept
Clinton MWRA-Clinton Water Dept
Attleboro Attleboro Water Dept
Fitchburg Fitchburg Water Dept
Northampton Northampton Water Dept
North Adams North Adams Water Dept
Amherst Amherst Water Division DPW
Gardner Gardner Water Dept
Worcester Worcester DPW, Water Oper
Westboro Westboro Water Dept
Southbridge Southbridge Water Supply Co
Newburyport Newburyport Water Dept
Hingham Hingham Water Co
Brockton Brockton Water Dept
MAINE
Rockland Camden & Rockland Water Co
Bath Bath Water District
NEW HAMPSHIRE
Keene City of Keene
Salem Salem Water Dept
VERMONT
Barre City Barre City Water System
Rutland City Rutland City Water Dept
NEW YORK
Glens Falls Glens Falls City
Yorktown Hts Yorktown Water Storage & Dist
Rochester Rochester City
Henrietta Henrietta WD
Rochester MCWA Upland System
Rochester Greece Consolidated
New York NYC-Aquaduct Sys (Croton)
Chappaqua New Castle/Stanwood WD
Beacon Beacon City
Mamaronek Westchester Joint Water Works
PENNSYLVANIA
Bethlehem Bethlehem Public Water Sys
Johnstown Greater Johnstown Water Auth
Lock Haven City of Lock Haven-Water Dept
Shamokin Roaring Creek Water Comp
Harrisburg Harrisburg City
Hazleton Hazleton City Water Dept
Wind Gap Blue Mt Consolidated
Apollo Westmoreland Auth
Fayettville Guilford Water Auth
Humlock Creek PG&W-Ceasetown Reservoir
Springbrook PG&W-Waters Reservoir
Wilkes Barre PG&W-Gardners Creek
Wilkes Barre PG&W-Hill Creek
Wilkes Barre PG&W-Plymouth Relief
Altoona Altoona City Auth
Tamaqua Tamaqua Municipal water
Waynesboro Waynesboro Borough Auth
Pottsville Schuykill Co Mun Auth
VIRGINIA
Covington City of Covington
Fishersville South River Sa Dist-ACSA
SOUTH CAROLINA
Greenville Greenville Water Sys
MICHIGAN
Sault Ste Marie Sault Ste Marie
Marquette Marquette
MONTANA
Butte Butte Water Co
Bozeman Bozeman City
CALIFORNIA
San Francisco City & County of San Fran
NEVADA
Reno Westpac
IDAHO
Twin Falls Twin Falls City
WASHINGTON
Aberdeen Aberdeen Water Dept
Centralia Centralia Water Dept
-30-
--
Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ndallen@r-node.hub.org
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From: chris@zeus.alta-oh.com (Chris Murphy)
Subject: Re: Needed: Plotting package that does...
Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.alta-oh.com
Organization: ALTA Analytics
Lines: 38
In article <FULL_GL.93Apr18005752@dolphin.pts.mot.com>, full_gl@pts.mot.com (Glen Fullmer) writes:
|> Looking for a graphics/CAD/or-whatever package on a X-Unix box that will
|> take a file with records like:
|>
|> n a b p
|>
|> where n = a count - integer
|> a = entity a - string
|> b = entity b - string
|> p = type - string
|>
|> and produce a networked graph with nodes represented with boxes or circles
|> and the vertices represented by lines and the width of the line determined by
|> n. There would be a different line type for each type of vertice. The boxes
|> need to be identified with the entity's name. The number of entities < 1000
|> and vertices < 100000. It would be nice if the tool minimized line
|> cross-overs and did a good job of layout. ;-)
|>
|> I have looked in the FAQ for comp.graphics and gnuplot without success. Any
|> ideas would be appreciated?
|>
|> Thanks,
|> --
|> Glen Fullmer, glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com, (407)364-3296
|>
Hi,
See Roger Grywalski's response to :
Re: Help on network visualization
in comp.graphics.visualization.
Amongst other things, it does exactly this!
--
Chris Murphy - chris@alta-oh.com
(614) 792-2222 Columbus. OH.
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From: bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu (Scott Bailey)
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder
Summary: Jacob's Ladder and other projects
Keywords: jacob's ladder,projects,book
Organization: University of Rhode Island / College of Engineering
Lines: 30
Hi all,
I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I
happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a
while. The book "Gadgeteer's Goldmine" by Gordon McComb offers over 55
excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma
spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser
projects. The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and
diagrams. For those of you who are interested in building any of the above
listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book. The
paperback version is only $19.95 too.
For those who want more information:
Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine! 55 Space-Age Projects
Auth: Gordon McComb
Pub: TAB Books
CW: 1990
ISBN: 0-8306-8360-7
0-8306-3360-X (paperback)
Price: $19.95 (paperback)
-Scott
/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Scott A. Bailey | #include "std_disclaimer.h" |
| ECL Operator |------------------------------------------------|
| Computer Engineering | I'm just a knight who chases the moon... |
| University of Rhode Island | Haven't caught it yet,but I haven't let that |
| bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu | keep me from still trying each day and night |
| bailey@ecl1.uri.edu | --(---------- ----------)-- |
\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???
Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 28
In article <C5L39p.2qz@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes:
|> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your
|> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my
|> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge
|> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of
|> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;
|> >in fact the only loop that worked was the "Macintosh
|> >Software" loop (whatever that means).
|>
|> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get
|> rid of my "venerable" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough
|> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing
|> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys
|> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers
|> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't
|> format/mount/partition for A/UX.
All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my
Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed
the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the
Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected
a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes
saying "This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"
even though there was no cartridge in the drive.
--Mark
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zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!juliet.caltech.edu!lmh
Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution
From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Lines: 18
In article <1APR199313404295@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu<, lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes...
<In article <31MAR199321091163@juliet.caltech.edu<, lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes...
<<Atheism (Greek 'a' not + 'theos' god) Belief that there is no god.
<<Agnosticism (Greek 'a' not + ~ 'gnostein ?' know) Belief that it is
<< not possible to determine if there is a god.
<No. Agnosticism as you have here defined it is a positive belief--a
<belief that it is not possible to determine the existence of any gods.
<That's a belief I'm inclined to reject. You have also defined atheism
<here as a positive belief--that there is no god. A fairly large number
<of atheists on alt.atheism reject this definition, instead holding that
<atheism is simply the absence of belief in a god. Michael Martin, in
<_Atheism: A Philosophical Justification_, distinguishes strong atheism
My mistake. I will have to get a newer dictionary and read the
follow up line.
larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist)
Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 13
In article <Apr.21.03.26.39.1993.1370@geneva.rutgers.edu> lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship.
>If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to
The reason for the existence of hell is justice. Fear is only an effect
of the reality of hell.
--
boundary, the catechist
no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he
venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina)
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From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh)
Subject: Re: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale..
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Lines: 14
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu
On 21 Apr 1993 03:25:29 I wrote:
> Quantum 105MB 3.5" internal ProDrive hard disk
> This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage.
> Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem,
> but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the
> problem lies. If you want to take a risk on it, you can have
> it for $45 + shipping.
Forgot to mention that the above mentioned Quantum is a SCSI
drive.
-S. Hsieh
zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale:was $200, sell for $150
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 45
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:
Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
>Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo
Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Hello.
I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc
ription:
60 programible chanels
fully detailed backlighted digital display
headphone jack
antenna jack
removable telescoping antenna
auto search
coverage:
30-50mHz
118-174mHz
380-512mHz
It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.
Thank You.
--
/ / Buchanan in `96!
/ / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
--
/ / Buchanan in `96!
/ / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo)
Subject: Re: proof of resurection
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 33
jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes:
>Finally:
>There is no proof of the resurrection of Christ, except in our spirits
>communion with his, and the Father's. It is a matter of FAITH, belief
>without logical proof. Incedently one of the largest stumbling blocks for
>rational western man, myself included.
>I hope that this is taken in the spirit it was intended and not as a
>rejection of the resurrection's occurance. I beleive, but I wanted to point
>out the weakness of logical proofs.
Terms are being used in a loaded way here.
"Logical proof" is an extremely messy thing to apply to real
life. If you think otherwise, try to construct a proof that
yesterday happened. Obviously it did; anyone old enough to be
reading this was there for it and remembers that it happened.
But *proof*? A proof starts with axioms and goes somewhere.
You need axioms to talk about logical proof. You can say that
you remember yesterday, and that you take as axiom that anything
you clearly remember happened. I could counterclaim that you
hallucinated the whole thing.
To talk about proofs of historical events, you have to relax the
terms a bit. You can show evidences, not proofs. Evidences of the
resurrected Jesus exist. Proofs do not.
I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is
ever disproved. I also think that this will not happen, as
the evidence for the resurrection is quite good as these things
go. It is not entirely fair to claim that you can only take
the resurrection on faith. There are reasons to believe it
that appeal to the mind, too.
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From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Lines: 40
In article <1qk724INN474@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes:
>I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like
>you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway),
>there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is
>ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual
>condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal -
>the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but
>there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it
>takes a while).
>
>If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter,
>why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw
>things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC
>on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when
>you "need" it.
>
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me,
your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and
then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your
equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to
switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since,
as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line.
Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you
lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to
replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and
you've got to resync the AC in no time flat.
Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that
AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to
be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already.
Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back
in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they
did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you
it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul
everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there.
.
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From: jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry Musselman)
Subject: UART needed
Organization: Ames Laboratory, ISU
Lines: 9
I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following:
-250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity
-ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin)
-IRQ on character received
I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do
break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc...
Any help would be appriciated!!!
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From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker)
Subject: Re: Portland earthquake
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 67
archau@saturn.wwc.edu (Austin C Archer) writes:
>I am interested in views about the non-event of May 3. Seriously, how can a
>Christian discriminate between "messages from God" which are to be taken
>seriously, and those which are spurious? Is there a useful heuristic which
>would help us avoid embracing messages which, by their non-fulfillment are
>proven to be false, thus causing the name of Christ to be placed in
>disrepute? Is this a problem at all?
>I believe that a careful understanding of scripture can help us here. It
>seems to me that anytime we are proven by events to be mistaken, it points
>to a serious failure in understanding God's will. It should result in a
>reevaluation of what we accept as truth.
>I must hasten to add that I was always skeptical, even cynical, about
>these "prophesies" as I tend to be concerning all such. But clearly, many
>Christians put much stock in them. If the Church represents Christ in the
>world, then Christians must avoid being made the laughing-stock of the
>world, lest we dishonor Him. Further, the more often we cry "wolf", the
>less seriously we tend to be taken.
>Any comments?
Good point -- it is very true that these "false" predictions are
dangerous--we are warned (more than once) in scripture about false prophtets.
However, as is often the case with other issues, one cannot let those
who falsly report such "visions" as a reason against believing in any of them
(I did not get the impression you were asserting this, by the way...I consider
my response not so much a response to your posting but a response to the topic
as a whole).
Example: The Appearances of Mary at Fatima, Portugal in 1917.
Among other things, she predicted the conversion of Russia to Atheism
(something that happened less than a year later w/ the Bolshevik
revolution). She also predicted the second world war (that is, predicte predicted that it would occur during the papacy of a certain pope, who
was not the current one. It happened just like she said.)
She warned there would be "fire in the sky" as a warning that the
second world war was about to start. About a week before Germany
invaded, weathermen (and women, I suppose) all over Europe, from
England to Spain to Eastern Europe, reported the most spectacular
reddish color in the sky ever recorded. To this day some try to
explain it off as the northern lights, and the relation to Mary's
prediction simply coincidence. You all can decide for yourselves.
Mary predicted that the Atheistic Russia would spread her evils all
over the world and persecute religion.
She said many other things as well, too numerous to list here. Every
single one has been realized. One can only use the term "coincidence"
so many times in the same explanation before its use becomes
ridiculous.
SO...yes, there are many false prophets and many false reports. There
are true ones, too. We must always remain open to that. Fatima was
one example. There is another one, currently occuring--the
apparitions that have been taking place at Medjurgorje, Yugoslavia
(or whatever its called now). Mary has been appearing every day for
eleven years now. It's time the world started listening.
More info available to any who want it.
Peace in Christ Our Lord,
- Mike Walker
mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: mjliu@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Ming-zhou Liu)
Subject: H E L P M E ---> desperate with some VD
Organization: Dep. Computer Science & Engin. of Chiao Tung U., Taiwan, ROC
Lines: 20
I have bad luck and got a VD called <Granuloma ingunale>, which involves
the growth of granules in the groin. I found out about it by checking medicine
books and I found the prescriptions. And I know I can just go to a clinic to
get it cured. BUT unfortunately I am serving my duty in the army right now and
I think it's impossible to prevent anyone from knowing this if I take leaves
every day for two weeks for treatment. Thus I bought the prescribed tablets
at some drugstore, but to cure it I must get INJECTION of <Streptomycin>, with
a dose of 1g every 12 hours, for at least 10 days. I can probably buy the
tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY MYSELF
!
Can any kind people here tell me:
If it's possible to do it? Can I do it on my arm? or it must be done on the hip
only?? Any info is welcome and please write me or post your help SOON!! (I am
already taking the tablets ..and I can't wait!!)
Please don't flame me for posting this, and don't judge me. I've learned a
lesson and all I need now is REAL MEDICAL HELP.
Desperate from Taipei
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From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Lines: 14
In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>Objective morality is morality built from objective values.
And organized religion is a religion built from organized values.
And Ford Tempo is a Tempo built from Ford values.
And rational response is response built from rational values.
And unconditional surrender is surrender built from unconditional values.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
uncle!
bye
-jim halat
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From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Good Reasons to Wave at each other
X-AltNet-ID: 222834
Lines: 11
One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention
is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when
you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Talentwise
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr14.235849.15397@amc.com> richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) writes:
>The bottom line is the Bruins are the better team this year.
>Montreal fans have been screaming for years that their beloved Canadiens deserve
>another cup. Since the removal of the French Canadien rule, they have been screaming
>foul. Welcome to league parity, something the rest of the league has had for years.
>Even if the Habs do beat Boston in the playoffs, they won't get by the Pens.
>I do agree with you, Boston is the more taleneted team.
>
The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the
universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a
few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that
period. The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a
level playing field.
Gerald
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca
Lines: 54
In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi-
>>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can
>>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer
>>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at
>>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are
>>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently
>>faster at managing data from a hard drive.
>IDE: Integrated Device Electronics
> currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized
> drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max.
Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first?
You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they
exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point?
Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone
know how they perform?
>So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES
>the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode
>it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can.
As implimented on what system?
>The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put
>rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT
>the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the
>SCSI-2 through put.
Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive
controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do
at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence?
What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost?
>The cost of SCSI interface is a self fulliling
>prophisy: few people buy SCSI because it is so expencive for the PC, which
>in turn convices makes that mass producing SCSI {which would reduce its
>cost} is unwarented, and so SCSI is expencive. {That is the effect of the
>Rule of Scale: the more items sold the less EACH item has to bare the brunt
>the cost of manufacture and so the less each item has to cost}
The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card
(or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down
in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc
or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions
of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to
come down in price.
I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented
data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better
(than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when
managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.
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From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me
Article-I.D.: colorado.1993Apr6.153132.27965
Reply-To: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: Department of Rudeness and Pomposity
Lines: 17
Nntp-Posting-Host: sluggo.colorado.edu
In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally,
>
I think I've seen this bike. Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe
and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over
by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR.
I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my
way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!) but it was gone.
Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR? I would imagine so,
kinda neccisary for quick tire changes. When I first saw it, I assumed it
was a bike repainted to cover crash damage.
Joel.
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From: rdc@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Bob Cowles)
Subject: Re: cica mirror?
Organization: Cornell Info. Tech.
Lines: 2
Try wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/win3 directory.
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From: elw@mayo.edu
Subject: Re: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed
Reply-To: elw@jaguar.sky2
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Lines: 11
The Nicene Creed
WE BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day rose again according to the Scriptur
es, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Organization: Beckman Software Engineering
Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5
Lines: 35
In article <1993Apr17.090731.18680@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
> Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some
> rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or
> destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which
> is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys.
>
To me, a larger problem is that once disclosed, your keys could be used
to decrypt any previously recorded conversations. I gather that from this
proposal a warrant would be required to get the keys, but not to collect
conversations! Consider the scenario where an agency collects preemptively
all encrypted conversations for certain people likely to be targets (and
not necessarily "legitimate" targets), then arranges for some unrelated
incident that can trigger a warrant:
"Your honor, we know that the suspect has received calls from noted
crime figure Bugsy Butthead [said calls arranged by the agency] and we must
therefore have this warrant to determine whether this suspect, in a
sensitive govt post, is corrupt."
I suppose that it is conceivable that there are session keys involved
somewhere, but that doesn't seem likely; if there are, why wouldn't the
technical overview mention them when it goes to such details as the number
of bits held by each escrow authority?
This scheme is full of holes, and stinks to high heaven.
-mel
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Subject: Marlin fans
From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)
Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University
Keywords: MF
Summary: Marlin fans
Lines: 23
I was watching the Dodgers/Marlins game yesterday and a couple of
things impressed me.
First is that the way the sun was shining in Miami, it had a summer
atmosphere in early spring for baseball. In comparison Wrigley Field
in early April still has a wintry look to it with the dead ivy and
bundled up fans.
The second and most important was the fans. I like these guys/gals!
I will admit I am a football fan first but I still enjoy baseball.
It was interesting because most of these fans are only accustomed to
the Miami Dolphins. The way they were cheering, I thought it was the
AFC playoffs. Of course opening day may have A LOT to do with it,
but I really got feeling of electricity that I think is lacking with
a lot of baseball fans in other cities.
Baseball certainly needs a charge and I hope these two expansion
teams bring back some excitement. We'll find out Friday how Denver
Bronco fans respond.
Phillies are 2-0! (I better say it now before my opportunity passes
by)
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From: phu.luong@u2u.lonestar.org (Phu Luong)
Subject: help
Distribution: world
Organization: USER-TO-USER PCBoard (214)492-6565 (USR DS v32bis)
Reply-To: phu.luong@u2u.lonestar.org (Phu Luong)
Lines: 12
Can somone explain to me all the stuff about modems...
like v.32 v.42 HST USRobotics...
why cheap 14.4 can' t cannot connect fast to some modems...
just explain to me everything!!! thanks..
... We must believe in free will. We have no choice.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 16
In article <1993Mar30.030105.26772@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>Sometime in the future diet evangelists may get off their "our
>diet will work if only the obese would obey it" mode and do
>useful research to allow prediction of which types of diet might
>be useful to a given individual.
>
"Diet Evangelist". Good term. Fits Atkins to a "T".
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Distribution: na
Lines: 33
andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:
> methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,''
> Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict
> controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration
> of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug
> dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the
> approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground
> economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who
> live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.''
And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the
Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the
civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist
- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's
another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the
communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is
(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course,
explaining them how much better the situation is now...
In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and
fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already
too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been
violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of
this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad...
Regards,
Vesselin
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Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
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e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
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From: lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger)
Subject: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt?
Keywords: cancer
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Lines: 13
What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems "off"
when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible
causes of this? Why does it happen?
Pt has Stage II breast cancer, and is taking tamoxifin. Also has Stage IV
lung cancer with known CNA metastasis, and is taking klonopin (also had
cranial radiation treatments).
Thanks!
[not a doctor, but trying to understand family member's illness]
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From: jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: na
Lines: 26
In article <wb9omc.735430855@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu>, wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes...
> BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest,
>6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company
>name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power,
>mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a
>1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals.
>If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the
>pertinent info.
>
You are probably referring to the products of
Opto Diode Corp.
750 Mitchell Road
Newbury Park Ca 91320
805 499-0335
The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of
3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in
response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are
designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.
I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and
Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot
wide stage from 50 feet away.
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From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser)
Subject: Re: AHL News: St John's news, part XXXVIII
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Lines: 49
brifre1@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.132906.1827@news.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:
>> Pete Raymond emailed me this piece of info. Not sure if Game 7 was
>> intentionally or unintentionally omitted (ie date not set).
>>
>> BRI
>> ================================================================
>> [begin quoted material]
>>
>> Because of the Moncton win Friday night Halifax was eliminated thus St.
>> John's will make Halifax home. The first round of play-offs wil take place
>> on these dates.
>>
>> April 14 - Halifax Metro Center (Leafs Home Game)
>> April 17 - Halifax Metro Center
>>
>> April 21 - Moncton
>> April 23 - Moncton
>>
>> April 26 - Halifax Metro Center
>>
>> April 30 - Moncton
>>
>This is a Halifax (or at least this Halifax) resident's dream come true!!
>The leafs are my favorite NHL team (and no, I don't know why)!!!!!!!!!
>I'd say that this is even better than the Citadels making the playoffs (a
>Quebec farm team; who cares??).
>By the way, for any NFLD fans....I'm sure ASN will carry some of the games
>(they'd be stupid not to....but then this is ASN)
I haven't heard any news about ASN carrying any games but the local
cable station here in St. John's (Cable 9) is carrying the games live!
Hey, it's better than nothing!
GO LEAFS GO!!!
Dale
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Toyota wagons
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Lines: 9
Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no
aesthetic sense at all?
--
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
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From: cywang@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Crying Freeman)
Subject: What's a good assembly VGA programming book?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 9
Can someone give me the title of a good VGA graphics programming book?
Please respond by email. Thanks!
--Yuan
--
Che-Yuan Wang
cw21219@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
cywang@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms !
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 38
As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
> It would not be economic to smuggle them in.
That depends only on the profit of doing so. The differences
in cost of production will determine local vs smuggle.
> would have to be local. There are not all that many people
> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
Those of us who have actually made semi-autos (full-autos are easier)
are getting quite a giggle out of this. I'd estimate that 5% of
the people at my high school couldn't do it. (I was one of the
few who failed shop.) People who have actually seen me do mechanical
work would probably say that 1% is more like it.
Starting with even 90% of the population, you can be sure that
"enough" people will be motivated.
> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
> pay through the nose for it.
How much is "through the nose"? After all, we know quite a bit
about how much a gun is worth to a criminal, so if that is dwarfed
by the price demanded by the "bad" part of that 90%....
The relevant economic analysis has been made. The "profit" of
gun crime is high enough that the price required to push criminals
out of the market is high enough that everyone will be motivated.
That analysis ignored some "improvements" in the criminal gun
market that could make them even cheaper. (They're not efficiently
used now, but a "loaner" set up would drive the value still higher
without affecting criminal use.)
-andy
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From: XOPR131@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Gerald McPherson)
Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell?
Lines: 42
In <Apr.23.02.55.31.1993.3123@geneva.rutgers.edu>
Tim asks:
>I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but
>definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion
>about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the
>effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus
>as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew,
>buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not
>believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be
>lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only
>god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.
>
This is probably too simplistic for some, but John 3:16 saus,
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life".
Genesis 15:6, "And he (Abram) believed the LORD; and He reckoned
it to him as righteousness".
I don't find anywhere that God restricts heaven to particular
ethnic groups or religious denominations or any other category
that we humans like to drop people into. But He does REQUIRE
that we believe and trust Him. In Hebrews it says that God spoke
of old by the prophets (the old testament), but in these last days
he has spoken to us by His son Jesus Christ. And we learn of
Him through the pages of the New Testament. The Bible tells us
what we need to believe. For those who have never heard, I leave
them in God's capable care, He will make himself known as he
desires. It behooves each one of us to act upon the knowledge
we have. If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to
heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell,
that's no joke, but it will be final.
Gerry
============================
The opinions expressed
are not necessarily those
of my employer.
============================
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From: lewism@aix.rpi.edu (Michael C. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Lines: 16
In article <lsk1v9INN93c@caspian.usc.edu> zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:
>
>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?
>Is there any reference to it?
>Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage?
It is used to create a TIN (triangulated irregular network), which is
basically a bunch of triangles which form a surface over a group of
points. What is special about it is that the triangles formed are the
most equalateral possible. Check out "Proceedings of AutoCarto N" where
N is 8..10. Sorry, I don't have a specific reference describing the
process.
-Michael
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From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: MenuButton Widget Question
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: make it stop
Lines: 9
I'm trying to create a button that has both a label and a bitmap using
the MenuButton widget. Is this possible? Right now, all I get is the
bitmap -- no sign of the label.
Any help would be appreciated.
scott
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From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage)
Subject: X for PC
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
I have heard of two packages for the PC that support X-Win.
The first is Linux which is a free Unix Package. The Second
is X-Appeal, which sounds pretty good. It can be found at
garbo.uwusa.fi in the ~ftp/pc/demo/ dir. The files are
xap13exe.zip
xap10fon.zip
drivers.zip
This should get you started.
Josh.
--
+ Joshua Weage : U.S. Snail - 277 Spring Rd, Baroda, MI 49101 +
+ E-Mail: cs890@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu | ai900@yfn.ysu.edu +
+ Fidonet: Joshua Weage @ 1:2340/130 +
+ All ideas are my own and no one elses!! +
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From: scialdone@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Scialdone)
Subject: CUT Vukota and Pilon!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Lines: 32
I have been to all 3 Isles/Caps tilts at the Crap Centre this year, all Isles
wins and there is no justification for Vukota and Pilon to play for the Isles.
Vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world!! He couldn't hit a
bull in the ass with a banjo!! Al must remember a few years back when Mick
scored 3 goals in one period against the Caps in a 5-3 Isles win. I was there
and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd. Wake-up Al!!! Years later he's
gotten worse. He's a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting
stupid/senseless penalties. I think he would make a good police officier!!!
As for Pilon, he can't carry the puck out to center ice by himself. He either
makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover, or he attempts to bring the puck
towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater. He can't
stay on his skates with most forwards or centers. He either falls down or
committs a penalty. Call up somebody from Capital District AL!!!!!
As far as the playoffs, the Isles are as difficult to figure out as the Caps.
Two good teams with talent but so inconsistent. They should meet in the first
round. The Isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they
should play well against Jersey tonite. It'll probably be another tight 1-goal
game as the last 20 games hve been for the Isles. I wish when the get a lead
they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive
shell and letting the opposition get back in the game. Al MUST understand he
can't do with this team what he did with the 80-83 Isles. maybe Al should got
to. Where is Bobby Nystrom?? Clark Gilles?? John Tonelli?? These are the kind
of young minds we need behing the bench!! FIRE AL!!!!
John Scialdone
SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV
**********When your ship comes in, first man takes the Sail********************
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From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Nntp-Posting-Host: scgraph.afit.af.mil
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Lines: 21
The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.
Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.
STS 56
1 22621U 93 23 A 93105.06179397 .00044513 00000-0 12649-3 0 230
2 22621 57.0022 147.2850 0004246 288.7332 38.0941 15.92991629 1084
1993 023B
1 22623U 93 23 B 93103.37312705 .00041032 00000-0 11888-3 0 86
2 22623 57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650 66.5967 15.92653917 803
--
Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations
tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology
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From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
Subject: Cryptography FAQ 02/10 - Net Etiquette
Organization: The Crypt Cabal
Lines: 92
Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com
Summary: Part 2 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Net Etiquette. Related
newsgroups, appropriate topics, how to introduce an encryption scheme.
X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part02
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 2: Net Etiquette
This is the second of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?
* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?
* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?
* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?
Read news.announce.newusers and news.answers for a few weeks. Always
make sure to read a newsgroup for some time before you post to it.
You'll be amazed how often the same question can be asked in the same
newsgroup. After a month you'll have a much better sense of what the
readers want to see.
* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?
No. In fact some newsgroups (notably misc.legal.computing) were
created exactly so that political questions like ``Should RSA be
patented?'' don't get in the way of technical discussions. Many
sci.crypt readers also read misc.legal.computing, comp.org.eff.talk,
comp.patents, sci.math, comp.compression, et al.; for the benefit of
people who don't care about those other topics, try to put your
postings in the right group.
Questions about microfilm and smuggling and other non-cryptographic
``spy stuff'' don't belong in sci.crypt either.
* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?
``I just came up with this neat method of encryption. Here's some
ciphertext: FHDSIJOYW^&%$*#@OGBUJHKFSYUIRE. Is it strong?'' Without a
doubt questions like this are the most annoying traffic on sci.crypt.
If you have come up with an encryption scheme, providing some
ciphertext from it is not adequate. Nobody has ever been impressed by
random gibberish. Any new algorithm should be secure even if the
opponent knows the full algorithm (including how any message key is
distributed) and only the private key is kept secret. There are some
systematic and unsystematic ways to take reasonably long ciphertexts
and decrypt them even without prior knowledge of the algorithm, but
this is a time-consuming and possibly fruitless exercise which most
sci.crypt readers won't bother with.
So what do you do if you have a new encryption scheme? First of all,
find out if it's really new. Look through this FAQ for references and
related methods. Familiarize yourself with the literature and the
introductory textbooks.
When you can appreciate how your cryptosystem fits into the world at
large, try to break it yourself! You shouldn't waste the time of tens
of thousands of readers asking a question which you could have easily
answered on your own.
If you really think your system is secure, and you want to get some
reassurance from experts, you might try posting full details of your
system, including working code and a solid theoretical explanation, to
sci.crypt. (Keep in mind that the export of cryptography is regulated
in some areas.)
If you're lucky an expert might take some interest in what you posted.
You can encourage this by offering cash rewards---for instance, noted
cryptographer Ralph Merkle is offering $1000 to anyone who can break
Snefru-4---but there are no guarantees. If you don't have enough
experience, then most likely any experts who look at your system will
be able to find a flaw. If this happens, it's your responsibility to
consider the flaw and learn from it, rather than just add one more
layer of complication and come back for another round.
A different way to get your cryptosystem reviewed is to have the NSA
look at it. A full discussion of this procedure is outside the scope
of this FAQ.
Among professionals, a common rule of thumb is that if you want to
design a cryptosystem, you have to have experience as a cryptanalyst.
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From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski)
Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed
Keywords: polygon, needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
>In article <C5n3x0.B5L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes:
>>This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast
>>polygon routine to be used in a 3D game.
>
> A fast polygon routine to do WHAT?
To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and
ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right
now, which is very slow.
//Lucas.
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From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer)
Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 31
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
John Hawkinson (jhawk@panix.com) wrote:
: Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want.
: Just don't ask why :-)
: Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. "flashlight" means
: it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if
: necessary.
: My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they
: need a lot of power? etc., etc.
: I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave
: (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both).
Check out a medical supply catalog, the thing you are looking for
is called a woods lamp (so you can check for woods sign, certain skin
conditions flourecse (sp) under UV light) They come in disposable
penlight like types and larger ac powered types. It is also used in eye
examinations, a flourescent dye is introduced to the surface of the eye,
then UV is shined on it, shows up scratches and abrasions very clearly
that would otherwise be very difficult to detect. (for the completest the
dye is called flouescien, and in normal light appears orangish, and leaves
a mild burning sensation to the eye for 10-15 minutes, until the tears
flush it all out.
Have fun.
--Dale Farmer
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From: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Subject: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing
Lines: 11
My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no
medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.
My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate
their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,
etc...)
Thank you,
Dave Carvell
pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
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From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)
Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring..
Keywords: outlet
Nntp-Posting-Host: chip
Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Lines: 16
olsen@vetmed.cvm.uiuc.edu (Aart_Olsen) writes:
>>|> I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the
>>|> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground
>>|> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire.
>>
>>This is contrary to the electrical code and should be fixed.
>>
>Sorry, but this is exactly according to the NEC.
No need to be sorry, I blew it on this one. At the main breaker box
where there is a thick wire ground leading to the earth, both neutral
and ground are hooked to this bus. In any other breaker box (or an
outlet box, etc.) the ground and neutral must not be connected together.
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 68
Could someone PLEASE give a guess as to why this simple little program
causes a BadPixmap error on the FOURTH (bizarre???) call to XtRelaizeWidget()?
Here is the code:
int stoploop = 0;
static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer);
main()
{
XtToolkitInitialize();
XtAppContext app = XtCreateApplicationContext();
while (1)
{
int junk = 0;
Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(app, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0,
&junk, NULL);
Widget top = XtAppCreateShell(NULL, NULL,
applicationShellWidgetClass, dis, NULL, 0);
Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("x",
xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
top,
XmNheight, 25,
XmNwidth, 25, NULL);
XtAddCallback(box, XmNactivateCallback, Callback, NULL);
XtRealizeWidget(top);
while (!stoploop)
{
XEvent event;
XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);
XtDispatchEvent(&event);
}
stoploop = 0;
XtReleaseGC(top, XDefaultGCOfScreen(XtScreen(top))); // needed?
XtDestroyWidget(top);
XtCloseDisplay(dis);
}
}
static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer)
{
stoploop = 1;
}
The error I get (yes, the 4TH time I try to show the box) is:
X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC)
Resource id in failed request: 0xd0000d
Serial number of failed request: 71
Current serial number in output stream: 85
Please respond via email. Thanks very, very much!
(NOTE: I realize this program does nothing useful, its an ultra-trivialized
version fo a real library routine)
--
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David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Lines: 29
In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C
>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling
>>>his so called stimulus package.
>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free
>>>immunizations for poor kids.
>>
>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to
>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents
>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.
>
> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health
> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give
> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services
> delivered to their doorsteps.
I've read about more than a few of these programs that ran into
problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even
when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don't know, maybe
that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side-
effects, and bad reactions scares them.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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From: jxl9011@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.X. Lee)
Subject: JOB
Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: SERI
Lines: 45
JOB OPPORTUNITY
---------------
SERI(Systems Engineering Research Institute), of KIST(Korea
Institute of Science and Technology) is looking for the resumes
for the following position and need them by the end of June (6/30).
If you are interested, send resumes to:
CAD/CAE lab (6th floor)
Systems Engineering Research Institute
Korea Institute of Science and Technology
Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong,
Daejon. Korea
305-600
COMPANY: Systems Engineering Research Institute
TITLE : Senior Research Scientist
JOB DESCRIPTION : In depth knowledge of C.
Working knowledge of Computer Aided Design.
Working knowledge of Computer Graphics.
Working knowledge of Virtual Reality.
Skills not required but desirable : knowledge of
data modeling, virtual reality experience,
understanding of client/server architecture.
REQUIREMENT : Ph.D
JOB LOCATION : Daejon, Korea
Contact Info : Chul-Ho, Lim
CAD/CAE lab (6th floor)
Systems Engineering Research Institute
Korea Institute of Science and Technology
Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong,
Daejon. Korea
305-600
Phone) 82-42-869-1681
Fax) 82-42-861-1999
E-mail) jxl9011@129.21.200.201
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From: rbn@apple.com (Robert B. Neville)
Subject: Oscilliscopes for sale
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California
Lines: 37
NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com
Recently I posted two oscilliscopes for sale. One has sold, the other is
still available:
Used, good condition:
Hitachi V-422 40MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope
o 1mV/div
o DC offset
o alternate magnification (10x magnified & non-magnified
waveform)
o VERT mode trigger
o TV sync separation circuit
List price $910.00 (...and the price Fry's electronics just
quoted!) :-(
Sells for $699.99 (JDR MicroDevices current price)
$745.95 (Products International)
Your price used $425.00 obo
...I haven't gotten an offer at the asking price, so 'obo' applies...
I also have a 'broken' version of the scope which sold:
JDR 2000 20MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope
o 5mV/div
o Component Tester (resistors/caps/diodes/coils)
o TV video sync filter
o z-axis input (intensity modulation)
'Broken' means: The CRT produces a nice, bright trace, but the trace does
not correspond to the input signal. My guess is it's repairable but more
than a simple calibration problem...but I honestly have not tried to
calibrate the scope or otherwise fix it. It's 'as-is'.
I paid $60 for it in its current state (I bought it thinking I'd repair it,
using the 'good' scope for side-by-side comparison...since I've sold the
'good' scope, the 'bad' one doesn't do me much good) and I'd like to recoup
that amount. As above, I'll accept offers and take the best one.
I'd prefer a local (Bay Area, California) buyer, so (a) I don't have to
ship it and (b) she or he can examine the scope prior to purchase.
rbn@apple.com
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From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman)
Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian
Organization: Washington & Lee University
Lines: 21
Steven R Hoskins (18669@bach.udel.edu) wrote:
: Hi,
: I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity.
: ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and
: quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying
: to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful
: to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other
: relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would
: like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological
: works intended for a lay person?
I'd recommend McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" books (3 I
think) and Manfred Brauch's "Hard Sayings of Paul". He also may have
done "Hard Sayings of Jesus". My focus would be for a new Christian to
struggle with his faith and be encouraged by the historical evidence,
especially one who comes from a background which emphasizes knowable faith.
--
Scott Dittman email: sdittman@wlu.edu
University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450
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Subject: DC-X/Y/1 question
From: kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi)
Keywords: DC-X
Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu
Lines: 17
I've been following discussions about the Delta Clipper program, and I
have one small question. As I understand it, the DC-X derived orbital
vehicle (DC-Y & 1) is to reenter the atmosphere sort of sideways, not
completely nose-first. So why is the DC-Y look symmetric in every drawing
I've seen? I would think that an asymmetric design, sort of like
wingless Orbiter, may work better, since less shielding is required on the
top side. Can anybody explain?
- Ken Kobayashi
kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu
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Ken Kobayashi |
kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu | "There is no final frontier." - IBM ad
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From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70
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In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>
>The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
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From: thorn@wam.umd.edu (Thornwall)
Subject: Q: Dings in the paint on my hood :(
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Hello,
I have a 92 Toyota 4X4 and in the last few weeks I have been getting quite
a few "dings" :( in the paint on the hood from rocks and debris off of the
road. I have never had any major problems with other car/trucks in the past
(maybe a ding once in a while). I went to the dealer and he said that it
happens all of the time and he recomended putting a bug deflector on the
hood. He said that the trucks, for some unknown reason, seem to have this
problem more than some cars.?
It seems to me that either my luck is really bad or there might be a problem
with the paint (painted on a monday morning perhaps?).
How well do these bug deflectors work for small road debris on trucks?
If anyone has any experiences/suggestions please let me know, thanks.
--Greg
thorn@wam.umd.edu
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From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Keyboards, Drives, Radios for sale!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hello.
I have these items for sale.
Terms are UPS COD or prepayment by money order.
2 101 keyboards for IBM compatibles
1 Mitsumi 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy disk drive
1 Sony SRF-M30 digital AM/FM Stereo Walkman
The drive cost me $65, the keyboards were $40 each, and the Sony
radio cost $45.
I will sell for the best offers.
Thank You.
--
/ / Buchanan in `96!
/ / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: leon@dimatrix.DK (Leon Thrane)
Subject: X Intrinsic mailing list
Organization: The Internet
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To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
As we don't get a newsfeed I was wondering whether there was such a
thing as a Xt mailing list (other than xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu). I
would appreciate any info on this, (or X related mailing lists.)
Thanks in advance,
Leon
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
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In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
>writes:
>> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
>Arras) writes:
>> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
>> >writes:
>> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come
>> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and
>> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear
>gassed.
>> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to
>> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.
>>
>> Unworthy of comment.
>
>But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course.
So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-)
>> >Humans died
>> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the
>> >actions
>> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them.
>>
>> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.
>> That is undeniable truth.
>
>No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the
>gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as
>the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that if
>they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.
You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people
have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff.
And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you
can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the
FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days.
>> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for
>> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities
>> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion
>> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up
>> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.
>
>My heart "bleeds" for no one. You are the "bleeding heart". And I'm sure
>beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You
>can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.
I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense.
You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this
compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless
to me.
I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't
stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me
sad and sick.
>> >You seem to say
>> >they got what they deserved.
>>
>> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in
>> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they
>> wanted and put into motion themselves.
>
>"they got what they wanted". What kind of creature are you that you can
>believe this?
Have you ever heard of Jonestown?
The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority
worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these
people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot
more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as
last year.
>> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely
>> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair
>> from the start.
>
>We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.
By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too.
BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-)
>> >Jim
>> >--
>> >jmd@handheld.com
>>
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From: gmich@is.morgan.com (George Michaels)
Subject: NTSC and th
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From: ukrphil@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (M.J.Phillips)
Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???
Reply-To: ukrphil@prlhp1.UUCP (M.J.Phillips)
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK
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The 68070 _does_ exist. It's number was licensed to Philips to make their
own variant. This chip includes extra featurfes such as more I/O ports,
I2C bus... making it more microcontroller like.
Because of the confusion with numbering (!), Philips other products in the
[range with the 68??? core have been given differend numbers like PCF...
or PCD7.. or something.
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From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton
Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services
In-Reply-To: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 04:41:19 GMT
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In article <strnlghtC5M2Cv.8Hx@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable
one: Make it voluntary.
That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree
to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.
That's the disturbing part - use of other products IS voluntary, for now,
and the press releases talk about the White House's unwillingness to
decide that citizens have a right to good commercial crypto gear,
and about how commercial alternatives will be permitted as long as
they provide key escrow services. That's a clear implication that
they're considering banning alternatives.
Additionally, use of real alternatives ISN'T totally legal -
you're not allowed to export really good crypto equipment except to
the government's friends (e.g. the Australian government)
you can only export even BAD crypto equipment with their permission,
and the regulators who control the cellular telephone companies make
sure there are only two competitors, so Joe's Garage Cellular can't
start offering a secure service.
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
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From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower)
Subject: Waco dates - are these coincidental?
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The ATF agent interviewed on "Street Stories" reported that the raid was
ill planned, and went ahead even when they (the BD's) knew the ATF was
coming. WHY?
I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it,
and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part
in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even
suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the
context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda,
as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof
might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests
for sufficient fire power.
Important dates:
Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban.
Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked.
On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon
ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate
in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have
an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated
agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or some
group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were initially
at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent
on "Street Stories" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to "get
ready fast", as "they know we are coming". I believe this attack continued,
even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top
down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to
come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely.
...rich
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From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: airhorns on an FJ1100 review
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
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For those of you who are thinking about fiamms, you might also want to think
about airhorns. I just installed a set of Bosch air horns ordered from
Dennis Kirk (pg. 282 of the latest catalog) on my '85 FJ1100. They are rated
at 93db at 7 meters. I installed them using 10 gage wire from the battery to
the relay to the compressor to ground. My stock horn connectors fit the relay
pins just fine. I soldered the connections to the relay and compressor, and used
a crimp type battery connector and an inline 10amp fuse/connector from NAPA.
I installed the compressor just forward of the fuse box in the front
fairing by tie wrapping between the steering head frame and the black steel tube
frame used to support the front fairing. You have to remove the front fairing to
do this, but it fits outside of the frame but inside the fairing on the two
vertical supports just in front of the fuses. Depending how tight your fairing
follows the frame, you should be able to fit it somewhere in the fairing.
The compressor is about 2" in diameter and about 5" long.
The relay mounted on the front of the steering head frame (it is small
so there should be plenty of good places for it.
I found a perfect place for the horns that required only tie wraps to
mount. The horns fit inside the front fairing/frame and stick out on either side
just in front of the air scoops, but behind the turn signals. The back of the
horns point back towards the center of the bike and come real close to where
the gas tank connects to the front part of the frame. There is just enough
room to the outside to allow full lock to lock clearance, and there are nice
cut outs in the frame for the back of the horn to go into.
The short horn is even with the fairing, and the long one sticks out
about an inch or so, but it is really not that noticable unless you look
closely. They end up pointing down slightly and maybe 30 degrees from straight
ahead (perfect for those cagers trying to change lanes into you).
If you have any other questions about the mounting, email, and I can try
to explain better. If your bike is not red, then you may want to paint them
first.
How do they work you ask? They are very, very, very *LOUD*. They sound
more like a european sports car than a truck, but a vast improvement over stock.
I have used them at least daily since installing them, and the 10 amp fuse has
not blown yet (although, the duration of the horn blasts have been short).
I've repeatedly scared the shit out of my friends with them, even though
they know that I have the horns, they still jump. They are perfect for keeping
the pedestrians on the sidewalk.
The bottom line is they work, are loud enough to cause pain and suffering to
those stupid lane changing cages (as well as take a few years off their lives)
and are relatively easy to install on the FJ. YMMV.
-TJK
'85 FJ1100 with "GET OUT OF MY WAY" horns.
"That looks like a suit you'd fight a fire in" -comment about the Aerostich
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From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
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In article <1993Apr20.131336@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
|> > In article <C5qu5H.1IF@news.iastate.edu>, oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)
OY] Henrik (?),
OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not
OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus.
Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ...
OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references
OY] on the issue. Just send me EMail for that.
You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES ! NOT !
I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I
needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need
your help. Boy, how generous !!
OY] Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you,
OY] assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may
OY] not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more
OY] easily. !:-)
Believe me, I am so relaxed ...
henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane
henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one
[OY] No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that.
IF Armenia is goint to do that, then so be it.
henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane
henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.
OY] Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid
OY] inspection???
All I am saying is that the plane that was SEARCHED was an
AMERICAN and why Turkey DID NOT TRUST the U.S. that it was
mainly HUMANITARIAN AID CARGO.
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: The state of justice
Originator: rja@mahogany126
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Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
In article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two
> new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not
> from the fire.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start
> denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led
> to the previous ruling appear.
Welcome to the conservative judiciary.
> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed?
> Shouldn't that be up to a jury?
I think Scalia's point was that you get one chance. If new information
comes out later, tough. If the conviced want justice, they have to hope
the governor is feeling charitable.
There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite
evidence of his inocents.
> And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk
> shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for
> a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial?
>
> Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective?
It got swept away in the Reagan Revolution...
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley)
Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason
Haines) writes:
>
> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
> sell them but have gotten NO interest.
>
> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
> some SIMMs 8-) )
Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them
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From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire)
Subject: Car Audio [Forsale]
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Car Audio Products for Sale...
Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - SS10x2: 2 10" Kickers in a sealed box. The box
is manufactured direct from Kicker. (Instructions).
*******Asking $175 + Shipping
Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - 2 Kicker 12" Subwoofers. (Instructions).
*******Asking $175 + Shipping (Sold as a pair only!)
Kenwood KAC923 Amp - 220 Watts X 2. 2 ohm stable (Box & Instruction Included).
*******Asking $375 + Shipping
Im selling the above item for a friend without Internet access... You can
either E-Mail me or call him (Mike Metalios) at (410)665-5773.
Foxfire
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem
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Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
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Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at
expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.
Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...
--
:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****
:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><
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From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Subject: Daily Verse
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what
I do.
James 2:18
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From: studner@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (STUDNER ROGER ALAN)
Subject: Modem for Sale
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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I am selling a USR HST 14.4k baud modem with v42bis compression upgrades.
THere is no manual, as it was lost going from one side of the U.S. to the other at some point. THe modem is setup for max throughput, and it has built in help, but a quick reference guide on the bottom of it, so its use it not difficult by any means.
Any offers?
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: This year the Turkish Nation is mourning and praying again for...
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
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Referring to notes from the personal diary of Russian General L.
Odishe Liyetze on the Turkish front, he wrote,
"On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers
bayoneted and axed to death 3000 Muslims in areas surrounding
Erzincan. These barbars threw their victims into pits, most
likely dug according to their sinister plans to extinguish
Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant counted and unearthed
200 such pits. This is an act against our world of civilization."
On March 12, 1918 Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official
Russian account of the Turkish genocide),
"Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos,
dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants...
alas! mainly of women and children."
Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
1987, pp. 45-53.
"Document No: 77," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 10, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 410, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 1-12, 1-18.
(Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander
of the Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War,
Lieutenant Colonel Toverdodleyov)
"The things I have heard and seen during the two months, until the
liberation of Erzurum by the Turks, have surpassed all the
allegations concerning the vicious, degenerate characteristic of
the Armenians. During the Russian occupation of Erzurum, no Armenian
was permitted to approach the city and its environs.
While the Commander of the First Army Corps, General Kaltiyin remained
in power, troops including Armenian enlisted men, were not sent to the
area. When the security measures were lifted, the Armenians began to
attack Erzurum and its surroundings. Following the attacks came the
plundering of the houses in the city and the villages and the murder
of the owners of these houses...Plundering was widely committed by
the soldiers. This plunder was mainly committed by Armenian soldiers
who had remained in the rear during the war.
One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of
soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of
seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud,
and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud
and dirt...
It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and
traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds
and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night
patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The
Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear
also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the
trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for
fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder
and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently.
Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir
Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander
in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days.
The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals
that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its
highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half
of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned.
...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief,
Odishelidge. They were as follows:
The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the
act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been
killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless
Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood
near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
the hole was full it would be covered over with soil.
The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one.
Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew
to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
destroyed the entire population, together with the villages.
During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages
that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the
Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers
were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time
when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill
the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries
of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the
Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would
have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from
acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with
hatred and loathing.
Lieutenant Medivani from the Russian Army described an incident that
he witnessed in Erzurum as follows: An Armenian had shot a Kurd. The
Kurd fell down but did not die. The Armenian attempted to force the
stick in his hand into the mouth of the dying Kurd. However, since
the Kurd had firmly closed his jaws in his agony, the Armenian failed
in his attempt. Having seen this, the Armenian ripped open the abdomen
of the Kurd, disembowelled him, and finally killed him by stamping
him with the iron heel of his boot.
Odishelidge himself told us that all the Turks who could not escape
from the village of Ilica were killed. Their heads had been cut off
by axes. He also told us that he had seen thousands of murdered
children. Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov, who passed through the village
of Ilica, three weeks after the massacre told us the following:
There were thousands of dead bodies hacked to pieces, on the roads.
Every Armenian who happened to pass through these roads, cursed and
spat on the corpses. In the courtyard of a mosque which was about
25x30 meter square, dead bodies were piled to a height of 140
centimeters. Among these corpses were men and women of every age,
children and old people. The women's bodies had obvious marks of
rape. The genitals of many girls were filled with gun-powder.
A few educated Armenian girls, who worked as telephone operators
for the Armenian troops were called by Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov
to the courtyard of the mosque and he bitterly told them to be
proud of what the Armenians had done. To the lieutenant colonel's
disgusted amazement, the Armenian girls started to laugh and giggle,
instead of being horrified. The lieutenant colonel had severely
reprimanded those girls for their indecent behaviour. When he told
the girls that the Armenians, including women, were generally more
licentious than even the wildest animals, and that their indecent
and shameful laughter was the most obvious evidence of their inhumanity
and barbarity, before a scene that appalled even veteran soldiers,
the Armenian girls finally remembered their sense of shame and
claimed they had laughed because they were nervous.
An Armenian contractor at the Alaca Communication zone command
narrated the following incident which took place on February 20:
The Armenians had nailed a Turkish women to the wall. They had cut
out the women's heart and placed the heart on top of her head.
The great massacre in Erzurum began on February 7... The enlisted men
of the artillery division caught and stripped 270 people. Then they
took these people into the bath to satisfy their lusts. 100 people
among this group were able to save their lives as the result of
my decisive attempts. The others, the Armenians claimed, were
released when they learnt that I understood what was going on.
Among those who organized this treacherous act was the envoy to the
Armenian officers, Karagodaviev. Today, some Turks were murdered
on the streets.
On February 12, some Armenians have shot more than ten innocent
Moslems. The Russian soldiers who attempted to save these people were
threatened with death. Meanwhile I imprisoned an Armenian for
murdering an innocent Turk.
When an Armenian officer told an Armenian murderer that he would
be hanged for his crime, the killer shouted furiously: 'How dare
you hang an Armenian for killing a Turk?' In Erzurum, the
Armenians burned down the Turkish market. On February 17, I heard
that the entire population of Tepekoy village, situated within
the artillery area, had been totally annihilated. On the same
day when Antranik entered Erzurum, I reported the massacre to
him, and asked him to track down the perpetrators of this horrible
act. However no result was achieved.
In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a
natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived
the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the
Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had
been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular.
The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed
one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached
three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged to about the details
of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers
were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even
withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred
people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading
Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre.
However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with
the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower
classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders
of the leading Armenian figures and commanders.
I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals
were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who
opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that
it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority.
Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian
cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have
supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred
to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by
the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians.
You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a
conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear
of the Turkish soldiers."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: rick@silver.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner)
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.sjsu.edu
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.
Lines: 12
rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not
>run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true
>multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1
>programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is
>primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be
>economical for most users.
Correction: All Billy is promising is that it will run 'most' Windows 3.1
programs and the 'major' DOS programs. Do not expect everything you
have to run under NT unless all you have are current MS apps.
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From: stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Stefan Eckart)
Subject: dmpeg10.zip info: Another DOS MPEG decoder/player posted
Keywords: MPEG, DOS
Reply-To: stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Lines: 74
I have posted a DOS MPEG decoder/player to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities.
Here is a short description and some technical information, taken from the
accompanying documentation:
DMPEG V1.0
Public Domain MPEG decoder
by Stefan Eckart
0. Features
===========
DMPEG/DMPLAY is another MPEG decoder/player for the PC:
- decodes (nearly) the full MPEG video standard
(I,P,B frames, frame size up to at least 352x240 supported)
- saves decoded sequence in 8 or 24bit raw file for later display
- optional on-screen display during decoding (requires VGA)
- several dithering options: ordered dither, Floyd-Steinberg, grayscale
- color-space selection
- runs under DOS, 640KB RAM, no MS-Windows required
- very compact (small code / small data models, 16 bit arithmetic)
- real time display of the raw file by a separate player for
VGA and many Super-VGAs
...
4. Technical information
========================
The player is a rather straightforward implementation of the MPEG spec [1].
The IDCT is based on the Chen-Wang 13 multiplication algorithm [2]
(not quite the optimum, I know). Blocks with not more than eight non-zero
coefficients use a non-separated direct multiply-accumulate 2D-IDCT
(sounds great, doesn't it?), which turned out to be faster than a 'fast'
algorithm in this (quite common) case. Dithering is pretty standard. Main
difference to the Berkeley decoder (except for the fewer number of supported
algorithms) is the use of 256 instead of 128 colors, the (default) option to
use a restricted color-space and the implementation of a color saturation
dominant ordered dither. This leads to a significantly superior quality of
the dithered image (I claim, judge yourself).
Restricted color-space means that the U and V components are clipped to
+/-0.25 (instead of +/-0.5) and the display color-space points are distributed
over this restricted space. Since the distance between color-space points
is thus reduced by a factor of two, the color resolution is doubled at the
expense of not being able to represent fully saturated colors.
Saturation dominant ordered dither is a method by which a color, lying
somewhere between the points of the display color space, is approximated
by primarily alternating between two points of constant hue instead of
constant saturation. This yields subjectivly better quality due to the
lower sensitivity of the human viewing system to saturation changes than
to hue changes (the same reasoning as used by the PAL TV standard to improve
on NTSC). The improvement is particularly visible in dark brown or redish
areas.
...
--
Stefan Eckart, stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: FLYERS notes 4/5
Organization: AT&T
Keywords: FLYERS/Leafs summary (take that, Leafs woofers!)
Lines: 225
The FLYERS team that can beat any team on any night showed up at the Spectrum
Sunday night, and dominated the Maple Leafs thoroughly en route to a 4-0
shutout. Tommy Soderstrom will get credit for the shutout, but he barely broke
a sweat until the third period as the FLYERS defense kept the Leafs from
mounting any serious attack.
Injuries:
Pelle Eklund is day-to-day with a bruised thigh.
Roster Moves:
Jason Bowen was added to the lineup for his first NHL game. Jason was the FLYERS
second pick in the first round (15th overall) of the 1992 entry draft. 19 years
old, 6'4", 210 lbs. In 62 games with the tri-city Americans he had 10 goals,
12 assists and 219 PIM. He plays left wing and defense, he played defense in
this game although Bobby Taylor said that Bill Dineen was planning to use him
up front as well.
Andre Faust was returned to Hershey. He actually left after the second period
of the Kings game, flew to Albany, got the game tying goal in a Bears OT win,
and played again for Hershey Sunday night.
Lines:
Fedyk-Lindros-Recchi
Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen
Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy
Acton-Brown
Galley-McGill
Yushkevich-Cronin
Carkner-Hawgood
Bowen
Tommy Soderstrom in goal.
Acton replaced Lomakin in the 3rd period.
Game Summary:
If the FLYERS played like this every night, they'd be in the playoffs this
year. The FLYERS hit everything that moved. They created scoring chance after
scoring chance. They snuffed out everything that the Leafs tried to do.
Jason Bowen made a good play on his first NHL shift that almost created a goal.
He had the puck in the top of the left offensive circle all alone, but instead
of taking the shot he found Brind'Amour crashing the net on the other side.
A perfect pass and a good shot across Daren Puppa's body should have been a
goal, but Puppa made a great save reading the play.
Garry Galley gave the Maple Leafs 7th ranked power play the first chance when
he hooked Doug Gilmour at 4:25. The FLYERS lowly 21st ranked penalty killing
unit was almost flawless the entire game, and set the tone on this kill. The
Maple Leafs got almost nothing but long unscreened shots, and the defense swept
away every rebound.
After the power play, the FLYERS got a goal on an ugly play. Rod Brind'Amour
gave the puck to Greg Hawgood at the right point, and he sent a drive at the
net. Puppa made the save and kicked the rebound right into the feet of Josef
Beranek and Bob Rouse, who were wrestling in the slot. Beranek was able to
get his stick on the puck and push it out to Dineen who was skating into
the slot from the right circle, and he lifted a backhander over Puppa for
a 1-0 FLYERS lead at 8:10.
The FLYERS kept the pressure on, and Puppa was the only Leaf keeping the FLYERS
from building on their lead for a while. Eventually things settled down and
defense prevailed. Each team got an occasional scoring chance, but the goalies
were strong. Bowen started giving some Lindros-like checks in his own corners.
Then Lindros, who was looking to avenge a hit Foligno gave him, thought he had
a chance to even the score. He had Foligno lined up at center ice, leaned into
him, and rode him into the center ice boards. The only problem was that Foligno
was a little far from the boards, and Mike "Mister" McGeough felt that it
warranted a boarding call at 15:38
The Leafs couldn't get anything going on the power play as the FLYERS were
very aggressive (for a change) on the kill.
With time running out in the period, Recchi carried through the neutral zone
and handed to Lindros as they approached the Leaf's blue line. They were in
a crowd with Wendell Clark and Jamie Macoun, Lindros tried a backhand pass
to Recchi through the feet of Macoun that connected to Recchi, but then Clark
checked Recchi off the puck. Macoun then tried to clear, but it was weak and
went right to McGill who had manned the point. He drove it from just inside
the blue line. Macoun got his stick on it and deflected it past his own
goalie at 19:55.1. Shots were 13-8 FLYERS in the period.
The FLYERS finally got their first chance on the power play when Dave Andreychuk
tripped up Rod Brind'Amour in his offensive zone. During the power play, the
FLYERS got cheated a little when the puck popped up into the air and Eric
gloved it down, but McGeough thought it hit his stick above his head. We
could see from our seats at the other end of the ice that it only hit his glove
and the replay confirmed, but the faceoff went to the other end. As time was
running out in the advantage, Lindros found Galley with a pass across the goal
mouth but Puppa made the save. The rebound kicked back to the right corner where
Recchi picked it up, passed it out to Eric crashing through the right circle,
and Eric one-timed past Puppa at 7:55. With the assist, Recchi moves past
Bobby Clarke's 74-75 season, the second best one season total for a FLYER at
117. Eric moves up to 4th all time in FLYERS rookie scoring with 67 points.
Mike Eastwood took down Al Conroy at 8:30 to give the FLYERS another chance on
the power play. Not much pressure before Garry Galley ended the power play with
a slash at 9:19. Not much happened on the 4 on 4, although the Leafs had most
of the possession. The FLYERS smothered the Leafs short power play. Tempers
flared a little at 13:14. Bowen and Pearson got roughing minors, Keith Acton
got a bloody face. Dave McLlwain then took a dive and got Greg Hawgood a
hooking minor at 13:46 to set up a 4 on 3. The replay showed that Hawgood's
stick stopped making contact with McLlwain long before he spun around and fell.
Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play, led by Dimitri Yushkevich.
Bowen made a thundering hit when he came out of the box on Pearson. Berehowski
tried to perplex everybody with his sloooowball. He had the puck at the point,
and just trickled a pass down the slot. He made all the FLYERS look silly as
nobody could get a stick on it, and it got to Gilmour at the side of the net,
but Soderstrom stoned him.
The FLYERS picked things up offensively after the kill was over, but didn't
get anything home. Shots were 13-10 FLYERS.
The FLYERS were content with the 3 goal lead in the third period, and they
decided that if Tommy wanted a shutout, he was going to have to work for it a
little.
The FLYERS got most of the scoring chances in the first 7 or so minutes of the
period, but couldn't get past Puppa. Then the Leafs got tired of Lindros making
road kill out of them, and tempers flared. 2 each for Doug Gilmour and Lindros
(unsportsmanlike conduct) and 2 each for Glenn Anderson and McGill (roughing)
all at 7:02. Terry Carkner then took a kneeing penalty at 7:51 on Gilmour.
Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play.
At about the 12 minute mark, Dave Andreychuk got a shot away from his left
circle that got through Soderstrom. The puck was rolling on it's side, and
as luck would have it it turned away from the net instead of turning towards
it (think of how a rolling quarter inevitably starts to lean one way or the
other). Seconds later Rod Brind'Amour tripped up Gilmour at 12:24 to give the
Leafs another chance on the power play. On the advantage, after Soderstrom
stoned Andreychuk while lying down, Andreychuk got the rebound through
Soderstrom, but from behind the net and it went straight through and was swept
away by one of his defensemen. They kept the pressure on, but Soderstrom was
equal and preserved the shutout.
Recchi cross checked Ken Baumgartner to get tempers hot and start a brawl
at 16:01. No punches thrown, Recchi got the initial minor, Krushelnyski
Baumgartner and Lindros each got roughing minors. At 17:02 Rouse and Beranek
expressed their mutual dislike for each other and got 2 each for slashing to
set up another 4 on 4. Mike Eastwood shoved down Ryan McGill in the FLYERS
zone as they were battling for the puck, and while McGill was down he ran
his stick across McGill's face. The FLYERS were not happy with that at all.
5-8 Al Conroy paired up with 6-1 Berehowski, and started throwing punches.
Upward. Well, Al held his own, much to the delight of the crowd. Each got
a couple punches in before going down in a head, and Al got a standing O!
Penalties: Eastwood 5 (cross check) + game, Clark, Carkner 10 each. Berehowski
and Conroy 5 each (fighting) at 17:49.
So a major penalty for the rest of the game for the FLYERS. The had no interest
in stting on the lead. Hawgood, Galley and Brind'Amour played catch until
Hawgood found Dineen all alone in the left circle, he controlled the puck and
blasted it past Puppa at 18:39.
That was all the fireworks, Tommy Soderstrom would not face another shot. Puppa
did, but kept the FLYERS off the board. 4-0 FLYERS, shots were 9-8 FLYERS in the
3rd. Probably the strongest game I've seen from the FLYERS since the All Star
break. Shutout number 4 for Soderstrom, all since 1/10. Tied for 2nd most in
the NHL, but he's played fewer games than Belfour (6) or the goalie I can't
remember that he's tied with.
Next up it's the Winnipeg Selannes Tuesday night in Winnipeg. The FLYERS cannot
be eliminated if they win, but a loss coupled with an Islander win that night
in Washington would be the official end.
FLYERS up to 71 points on the season in 78 games. Last year they had 75 points
in 80 games (5 under .500), so they need at least 8 points in their last 6
games to improve on that only by percentage points (5 under in 84 is better
than 5 under in 80).
Tragic number holds at 3 points with 6 games left. The tragic number for 5th
is 5 points, I watched the Rangers blow a 4-2 third period lead at home to
lose 5-4 before I finished this up. Why 5 points instead of 4? Well, the FLYERS
will win the tie-breaker if they catch them, whereas the Islanders win tie
breakers against the FLYERS and so need only a tie. The Rangers could crumble
down the stretch as they play the Devils, the Pens twice, the FLYERS, and
finish up with 2 games against the Caps. So I guess 5th place could be the
goal for the team to focus on.
FLYERS team record watch:
Eric Lindros:
38 goals, 29 assists, 67 points
(rookie records)
club record goals: club record points:
Eric Lindros 38 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84
Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80
Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82
Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Eric Lindros 67 1992-93
Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86
Mark Recchi:
51 goals, 66 assists, 117 points.
club record goals: club record points:
Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76
Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Mark Recchi 117 1992-93
Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75
Mark Recchi 51 1992-93 Bill Barber 112 1975-76
Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73
Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73
Reggie Leach 50 1979-80
FLYERS career years:
Player Points Best Prior Season
Mark Recchi 117 113 (90-91 Penguins)
Rod Brind'Amour 79 77 (91-92 FLYERS)
Garry Galley 58 38 (84-85 Kings)
Brent Fedyk 58 35 (90-91 Red Wings)
That's all for now...
pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner
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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Subject: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!!
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes:
> Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib
> Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development
> for X applications in an NT environment.
Could someone please send me the postal and email address of
Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have).
Thank you.
--
snail@lsl.co.uk
"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
Quote by Freire.
Poster by OXFAM.
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From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7
In-Reply-To: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:21:34 GMT
<1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>
<1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>
<1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch>
<PMETZGER.93Apr20062134@snark.shearson.com>
Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com
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In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:
Just a question.
As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition
for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)
The US doesn't yet have many laws covering BBSs - they're not common carriers,
they're not phone companies, they're just private machines or services
operated by businesses. There's no obligation to keep records.
As Perry Metzger points out, if the police come with a search warrant,
you have to let them see what the warrant demands, if it exists,
and they generally can confiscate the equipment as "evidence"
(which is not Constitutionally valid, but we're only beginning to
develop court cases supporting us). A court MAY be able to compel
you to tell them information you know, such as the encryption password
for the disk - there aren't any definitive cases yet, since it's a new
situation, and there probably aren't laws specifically covering it.
But the court can't force you to *know* the keys, and there are no
laws preventing you from allowing your users to have their own keys
for their own files without giving them to you.
Even in areas that do have established law, there is uncertainty.
There was a guy in Idaho a few years ago who had his business records
subpoenaed as evidence for taxes or some other business-restriction law,
so he gave the court the records. Which were in Hebrew.
The US doesn't have laws forcing you to keep your records in English,
and these were the originals of the records. HE didn't speak Hebrew,
and neither did anybody in the court organization. Don't think they
were able to do much about it.
It might be illegal for your BBS to deny access to potential customers
based on race, religion, national origin, gender, or sexual preference;
it probably hasn't been tested in court, but it seems like a plausible
extension of anti-discrimination laws affecting other businesses.
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
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