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From: hooper@ccs.QueensU.CA (Andy Hooper)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
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Isn't Clipper a trademark of Fairchild Semiconductor?
Andy Hooper
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: ABC coverage
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.
Distribution: usa
In article <9454@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes:
> Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just
>Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you
>who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the
>production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even
>reaped any $ made...
In the interests of saving badnwidth during this "heated" time of the
year (viz. the early flurry of "retard" comments coming from a certain
state whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us
something we don't already know?
George
--
George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527
Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018
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From: davidj@rahul.net (David Josephson)
Subject: Re: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
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In <C5JJJ2.1tF@cmcl2.nyu.edu> ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) writes:
>I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts.
>Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it.
>---
>A l a n M a c a l u s o PURPLE MOON GIANTS
>ali@cns.nyu.edu 158 E. 7th. St. #B5
>(212) 998-7837 NYC 10009
> (212) 982-6630
>
Without doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the
Burr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this
chip as a phantom power mic pre.
>
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Josephson Engineering, San Jose California MICROPHONES
Tel/ 408-238-6062 Fax/ 408-238-6022 INSTRUMENTATION
email:david@josephson.com ftp info from: rahul.net /pub/davidj/
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From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY)
Subject: Re: Memory Slot Problem
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY
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In article <1qiijs$t27@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ralf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ralph Valentino) writes:
> I finally decided to upgrade my 486-33 EISA's memory from 8 Meg to 16
> Meg - two months after the parts warranty ran out on the (Anigma)
> motherboard - two months too late. It seems there's a problem with
> one or both of the two 1M/2Mx36bit sim slots in bank B. On boot I get
> a pattern test failure at address 0xa00000 and the system deconfigures
> the top 6 Meg. The sims are good, I tried rotating all of them into
> bank A. On one of the configurations, however, the pattern test
... deletions...
> failed at 0x800000. In all tests, the pattern that appeared was the
same as the pattern if no sim was in place. This leads me to believe
> the one or two of the connector address pins are at fault and, with a
> lot of luck, might be patchable.
>
> -Ralph
> ===============
> Ralph Valentino (ralf@chpc.org) (ralf@wpi.wpi.edu)
> Hardware Engineer, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
> Center for High Performance Computing, Marlborough MA
Many motherboards have jumpers to enable/disable the memory banks. Did you
check that out?
Allen mulvey
mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC)
Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?
Organization: SunConnect
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com
Keywords: Nuclear
In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes:
>
>
> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that
> this board would be most appropriate.
> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that
> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders
> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the
> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called
> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?
Water. Nuclear stations don't generate electricity directly from the
reactor, they use the reactor to generate heat. The heat is then used to
heat water just as in a conventional oil or coal station, and the
resultant steam drives the turbines.
The cooling towers are used to cool the steam and recondense it into water
to continue the cycle
Steve
--
Steve McKinty
Sun Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com BIX: smckinty
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From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Subject: Re: Advise needed in buying Automobile
Reply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Advise needed in buying Automobile
>I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase. Below
>are its requirements:
> 5. V6 or above
Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine.
Tony
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| Name: Antonio L. Balsamo |
|Company: Digital Equipment Corp. |
| Shrewsbury, Mass. |
| Work #: (508) 841-2039 |
| E-mail: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com |
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From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel)
Subject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
In article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>(Detroit, April 19)
>
>In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings
>scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en
>route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first
five shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is
that swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter)
Bill
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From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis)
Subject: Keyboard map for UK type 5 keyboard under X11/R5?
Nntp-Posting-Host: ws-ai3.dur.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Reply-To: N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science, University of Durham, Durham, UK. DH1 3LE
Lines: 16
Hi,
does anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under
X11/R5 ?
Thanks,
Nigel.
--
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| Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group, | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk |
| Computer Science, University of Durham, | Phne: +44.91.374.2549 |
| Durham. England DH1 3LE | Fax : +44.91.374.3741 |
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From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Who, me???
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In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...]
>
>In article <C5Fuo2.FF8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact
>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality?
>
>Please define this "objective morality".
>
>While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism.
Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see.
Slimy tactic.
- Kevin
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From: edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu (E.B.)
Subject: POV problems with tga outputs
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu
I can't fiqure this out. I have properly compiled pov on a unix machine
running SunOS 4.1.3 The problem is that when I run the sample .pov files and
use the EXACT same parameters when compiling different .tga outputs. Some
of the .tga's are okay, and other's are unrecognizable by any software.
Help!
ed
edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu
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From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps)
Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?
Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com
Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps)
Organization: IBM Kingston NY
Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser
Lines: 27
holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
|> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets.
|> Would those work very well in stopping an attack?
|>
|> Doug Holland
Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially
lethal. Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the
muzzle is in close proximity to the victim. I have heard of rubber or
plastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the
intent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also
seen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland].
Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the
gravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to
be a proper reaction [and so does the law].
Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force
has its own set of problems. It may well take more applications of the
less effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some
risk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent
since the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be
more deadly.
--
Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com ..
(internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy
(and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine..
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From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Subject: Re: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line
Organization: Lost In Space
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In <1993Apr21.143250.14692@bmers145.bnr.ca> masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) writes:
>I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently.
>Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I
>guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for
>the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get
>an exact byte count.
>Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating!
>If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'.
>If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes',
>not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only
>893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say
>3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It's as if it's got a problem with displaying
>more than 3 characters!
>My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I've run
>the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything.
>Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting
>of the status bar in the FileManger?
It sounds like something/one may have set the 1000's separator to "." in
Contol Panel (under International). This makes 23,482 look like 23.482
and File Manager is chopping off what it thinks is the decimal part of
the file size. 3,356,345 becomes 3.356.345, and again, File Manager is
confused by the decimal points where there should be commas, chopping
off everything to the right of the first period.
--
Tony DeBari FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us CI$: 73117,452
UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd *P*: GHRW14B
a.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9.
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From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Nntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
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In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the
> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton
> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,
> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through).
It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever
administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have
initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already
we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us.
Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
the body at the proper door to start with.
--
Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com
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From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: MC SBI mixer
Article-I.D.: ssc.1993Apr21.183146.19241
Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA
Lines: 17
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Mark J. Musone (musone@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related
: subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving
: circuits.
:
: P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED
: ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot.
: I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of
: circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help.
A pretty serious book that still seems readable is
Communication Receivers, Principes and Design
by Rohde and Bucher.
Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com
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From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das)
Subject: Wanted sample source for editing controls
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com
Hi Everyone,
I would like to get an example program(source code) to get started with a simple
editor (similar to windows dialog editor, but lot simplified) . Can someone
point me to a source such as a programming windows book, or example program
comes with Windows SDK (from Microsoft or Borland). I would greatly appreciate
it.
All I want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox
on a window and be able to drag and resize.
If anyone has written similar program and don't mind sharing code or ideas,
I would appreciate it very much.
Thnx in advance, Manu Das
Please send me directly at manu@oas.olivetti.com
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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
Lines: 44
In article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn't. A lot of
>pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to
>make this kind of think a lot harder to do.
>
>I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't
>figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Just curious.
>
>(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
.
/
Larry __/ _______/_
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---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! --------------------
The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool)
Subject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm???
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
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i read about the code you can put in to most applications so that
the virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn't confuse them (or is the
application confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?]
but wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach
i never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions.
luckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part
also, i'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region
for each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week
here
thanx,
fish
--
John R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683
"So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking,
racing around to come up behind you again." -rw/dg
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From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak)
Subject: lost in (TekHVC color) space
Article-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA
Lines: 33
(please respond via email!)
Has anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working? I'm not
having any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with
O'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net.
The O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because
XcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does
(which makes no sense to me).
The xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the
mathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values. So
you can't actually edit any colors.
We have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual. I've poked around
in the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have
no idea what's going wrong. Can somebody confirm if either of the
above-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail
for you too? Please include what hardware/software/patch levels you have.
Any hints?
Please respond with email as I don't regularly read this group.
Thanks,
Karen
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karen Bircsak
Concurrent Computer Corporation
karenb@westford.ccur.com
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From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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Sender:
Reply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Distribution:
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization
Keywords:
>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here?
Unless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought
to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.
Equestrian counter steering?
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From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla)
Subject: Pixmaps and colormaps sent through selections...
Summary: Selections and Pixmaps/Colormaps
Keywords: Selections
Nntp-Posting-Host: morrison.wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
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I want to be able to send a Pixmap from one client to the next.
Along with this I want to send the Colormap and foreground and
background pixel values. So far not a problem, I can do
this with no problem.
However, once I have the Pixmap id and the Colormap id, how
do I go about telling the server that the second (receiving)
client now wants to have associations with the two id's?
TIA,
John
--
o John L. Cwikla o o
o X Programmer o X was never the first o
o Wolfram Research, Inc. o letter of the alphabet o
o cwikla@wri.com (217) 398-0700 o o
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From: davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain)
Subject: Candida Albicans: what is it?
Originator: davpa@obel11
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Linkoping
Lines: 11
Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans,
a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something
to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly
allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it?
Thanks.
--
David Partain | davpa@ida.liu.se
IDA, University of Link\"oping | work phone: +46 (013) 28 26 08
S-581 83 Link\"oping, Sweden | telefax: +46 (013) 28 26 66
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From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)
Subject: Re: sex education
Organization: Netcom
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In article <Apr.20.03.01.57.1993.3782@geneva.rutgers.edu> bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:
>I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article!
>On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link
> abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy,
> contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy
>is false. The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of
>"non-liberal" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest
>teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.)
I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point
out that "non-liberal education" (head in the sand) is not the same as
"abstinence education".
We had "non-liberal education" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's,
which didn't do us a lot of good. But "abstinence education" regarding
drugs has proven effective, I think.
--
Joe Kellett
jkellett@netcom.com
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From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?y
Organization: Laurentian University
Lines: 48
In article <Apr.24.01.08.03.1993.4202@geneva.rutgers.edu>, marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:
> Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse...
> At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said
> whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and
> whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven.
>
> Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be
> done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest,
> the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments
> are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope
> (not sure if the Pope delegates this function).
>
Maybe I'm a little tired but I can't seem to follow the logic here. If
whatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest
(RC only apparently) is required.
In fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that
for a marriage to take place only two are required to agree on earth touching
one thing and it shall be done.
Todd
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
> marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
> The Lost Los Angelino |
[Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any completely precise
statements about what is needed. (As usual, the current edition of
the Catholic Encyclopedia is frustratingly vague.) I do know that the
priest is viewed as a witness, and thus in some sense would not be
required. However part of the purpose of formal marriage is to avoid
any ambiguity about who has and has not taken on the commitment. The
community provides support to marriage, and in cases of problems are
involved in helping to make sure that the people carry out as much of
their commitment as possible. Thus marriage must be a public
commitment. The presence of a priest is required for a regular
marriage. Where I'm not clear is exactly where the boundaries are in
exceptional cases ("valid but irregular"). Ne Temere (1907) says that
no marriage involving a Catholic is valid without a priest (according
to the Oxford Dictionary of the Church), and they imply that the new
canon law retains this, but I'd rather see a more recent and
authoritative source. Note that while a Catholic priest is required
for Catholics, the Catholic church does recognize marriage between
baptized non-Catholics as valid without a priest. --clh]
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From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams)
Subject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE )
Oanization: Mississippi State University
Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
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muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:
>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport.
>>
>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........
>
>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s
>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the
>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.
I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date
of the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much
but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which
there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends
on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now,
I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many
people are out of work.
>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down
>a pork happy Congress.
>
>-- Marc Mueller
Huh? Shouldn't that read "The question is whether a social-pork happy
Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy
Congress."
fpa
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>>But chimps are almost human...
>Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?
Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.
keith
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From: mniederb@pws2.itr.ch (Niederberger Markus)
Subject: Characterization of opamps
Organization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland
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Hi,
Right now I should do some characterization of opamps. Because I don't
have
special equipment for this task, I have to do this job with relativly
simple
equipments (Frequency sweeper, DSO, etc.).
Does anyone know good test circuitry for characterization of opamps?
Especially for measuring open-loop gain, phase margin, PSSR, CMMR and so
on.
Are there any books or application notes on this subject available?
Please reply vi e-mail or nn.
Thanks
Mark
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Mark Niederberger
E-mail: mniederb@itr.ch
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From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman)
Subject: commodoree
Distribution: world
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch
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I have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!!
Also included:
1571 disk drive
color moniter
power supply (great shape)
software
joysticks
2 300 baud modems (old, but useable)
contact doug (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447
-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
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From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity)
Subject: Need help with video detection circuit
Organization: Systems'n'Software
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I am trying to build a circuit that detects the presence of video (Vs.
a blank screen) by monitoring the R,G, and B outputs of a graphics
card. It should be able to detect the presence of a single pixel at
65 MHz, which would mean detecting a 15 NS pulse. It should also be
able to tell the difference between a blank screen (about 300 mv)
and a dim screen (say, around 310 mv). Oh yes, it also needs to be
cheap.
My first circuit was a dismal failure. I used 3 compariators; each
compariator had the + input going to one of the guns, the - input
went to a reference created by a voltage divider(a potentiometer).
The first problem was that the compariator was way too slow.. I
needed to get several pixels in a row before it would fire the
compariators, so I could have a whole screen full of text, but my
circuit would not detect it.
The second problem is that there was more noise on the reference then
the smallest difference between a blank screen and a dim screen. In
fact the difference between completely black and completely white is
only 650 mv. I am wondering if I am going to have to amplify the
video signals to make this work.
There are faster compariators, but they are expensive, and require
split supplies. I would need to replace my .49 quad compariator
with three 1.89 compariators, and create a whole new power supply
circuit.
At this point, I think what I need is some sort of transistor
circuit. Transistors are fast and cheap and should do the trick...
Unfortunately, I am way out of my league when It comes to designing
transistor circuits, so I am appealing to the net for help. Any
ideas, tips, circuits, pointers, references, etc. would be greatly
appreciated.
Oh yes, I only sample the output of this thing every second or so, so
I don't need a fast response time at all, however, I haven't found a
way to take advantage of that fact.
Thanks a lot for any help anybody might be able to give. Of course,
you will have my undying gratitude.
Steve Verity
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From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie)
Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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this is a test
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From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee)
Subject: Scan Rate vs. Font Size
Summary: Which is more important?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
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This past winter I found myself spending a ridiculous amout of time in front
of my computer. Since my eyes were going berserk, I decided to shell out
some serious money to upgrade from a 14" to a 17" monitor. I'm running
800x600 at 72 Hz. My eyes are very grateful. However, I find myself using
a smaller font with less eye strain. Has anyone else had this kind of
experience? I thought that small fonts were the culprit but it seems that
flicker was my real problem. Any comments?
Alec Lee
alee@cs.du.edu
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From: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com
Subject: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waltham Division
Reply-To: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com ()
Keywords: WRITE-720
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OK all you experts!
Need answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated
720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not.
Note: It 'll read 720's with no problem.
Please e_mail or post.
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From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)
Subject: Draining battery
Nntp-Posting-Host: gs20.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
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I have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.
Every week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike
every day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked
thoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining
somewhere.
Do you have any idea about what is causing this problem?
Please help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...
Ljubomir
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From: games@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: SSTO Senatorial (aide) breifing recollections.
Article-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.125512.1
Distribution: world
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The following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly
had with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and
commercial space. This is how it went...
After receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO,
I called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty
Murray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard
the gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour.
Later in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes.
We got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide,
who scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not
bozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to
make sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material.
Well, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking
to him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening.
We covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific.
Most of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another
woman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that
we brought up.
But, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate
aligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space.
So, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to
LEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming
feasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that.
We hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism
paper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the
atmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog
over L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is
more pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to
understanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education
whereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that
they havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other
fields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday
would provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed.
We hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business
angle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal
communicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided
in those sectors.
Jobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc..
We mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs.
We left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order
to make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point.
We ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are
proceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the
results from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan),
and most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along
the lines of lowering the cost to LEO.
In the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data
Purchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it.
He asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it,
and contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually
happen immediatly there.
The last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we
knew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they
could feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know
the answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who
really did know the answers.
Then finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He
said that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this
would be something that she would be very interested in, although they
do have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the
state 1 week out of 6 these days.
All in all we felt like we did a pretty good job.
John.
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From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:
> > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians
> > buy Apple II's because of security concerns.
> That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems
> because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things!
Funny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo...
:-) So much for export controls...
Regards,
Vesselin
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Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: RKBA on NYC radio station
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.
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|> Actually, the real reason that Stern was getting a bigger rating share was that
|> he was new in D.C., not because of the quality (if you can call it that) of
|> his show. After the Fine was issued he started to get better ratings because
|> of the curious individuals who wanted to see how bad he actually was. Since
|> he came to D.C. he has had a greater turn over of listeners than the "Grease"
|> has. In other words, more people get sick of him sooner than they do of the
|> "Grease". After all, saying vagina or penis on the air is hilarious at first,
|> the second time it is still a little funny, but when you do it all the time,
|> and at the same time, think you are the greatest man on the planet (and tell
|> everyone so) than you are going to get old really quick.
|> Give it up Mark you are WRONG.
|>
Excuse me, but if you really new what the show was about, you'd know that he
doesn't just say vagina and penis and that is how he get's his ratings. He
also addresss real issues as well as being outrageous. I don't hear any of these
other idiots doing a funny show and getting into some serious topics at the
same time, he get's people to think and entertains them at the same time,
so try listening to his show a little closer before you tell them that they are
WRONG, and by the way, if he is such a flash in the pan, why do his ratings sustain
so well? Hmm?
--
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Greg W. Lazar greg@puck.webo.dg.com
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From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg)
Subject: podiatry School info?
Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
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Hello,
I am planning on attending Podiatry School next year.
I have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric
Medicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric
Medicine in San Francisco.
If anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please
tell me. I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must
make a decision very soon.
thank you, Larry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT...
Tonight's special guest:
Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany
aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu
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From: (Rashid)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179
Organization: NH
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In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:
>
> >In article <C5C7Cn.5GB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:
Stuff deleted
> >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly
> >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes
> >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of
> >>coversion of freedom of conscience.
All five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the
death sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent,
and aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise
I agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief.
The Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public
or private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not
punishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this
trend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but
historically they are the exception.
Cursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of "Shatim".
>
> I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc.
>Lots of stuff deleted<
>
> And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini's offering
> of a reward for Rushdie's death in fact constitutes a criminal act
> according to Islamic law.
Please see my post under "Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)".
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Goalie masks
Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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Tom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season. He unveiled it
at a game in Boston.
It was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it. The "Golden Triangle"
(Pgh's downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along
with a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the
other. On the back of the helmet was the old Pens' logo (the really
fat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens
logo, and a space for the "new" (now current) logo.
Tommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it
for him.
But while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins. The
very next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job. A great mask
done in by a goalie's superstition.
Lori
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From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Hercules Graphite?
Organization: Software Metrics Inc.
Lines: 11
Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and
Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a
real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support?
(Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...)
--
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ]
[ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel." -- car, january '93 ]
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From: win@athen.sto.mchp.sni.de (Andrea Winkler)
Subject: X and Security / X Technical Conference
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS
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I had no possibility to join the
7th annual X Technical Conference
January 18-20 1993
Boston, MA
Nevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials,
exspecially about
Tutorial ID: A-SECURITY
Title: A Survey of X and Security
Tutorial ID: F-ADMIN
Title: X and the Administrator
Does anybody know, where I can get information (paper/mail) about these ?
Has anybody information about Kerberos (escpecially in connection with
X Display Manager xdm)?
Thanks,
Andrea Winkler (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany)
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------------- SNI STO XS 322 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 D-8000 Munich 83
N I X D O R F Phone:(089)636-41449 FAX: (089)636-42833
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From: tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?)
Organization: ingr
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Chuck Petch writes:
>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming
>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days.
>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think
>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it
>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is
>drawing near. Look up!
How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who
can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline?
Todd Stevens
tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com
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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Organization: UB
Lines: 48
Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu
In article <1993Apr20.130822.603@exu.ericsson.se> lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se writes:
>In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>>
>>Michael Collingridge writes:
>>
>>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
>>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
>>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.
>>
>>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
>>Pittsburgh?
>>
>>Mom.
>
>Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he
>was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain
>of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark
>Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New
>York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to
>Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne
>(you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they
>strip Wendel Clark of his captaincy in Toronto ?
>
Buffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains.
Pat LaFontaine was awarded the Captaincy when Mike Ramsey was forced
to give it up (Ramsey's now a Penguin). Ramsey inherited it from Mike
Foligno (who's now a leaf). He in turn had inherited it from Lindy
Ruff, who went I forget where. Ruff had it from Perreault, who
retired, so I guess that's where the streak started. Or did it?
After all, Danny Gare was captain before him, and he went to Detroit.
Jim Scoenfeld, Gerry Meehan, and Floyd Smith are the others, in
reverse order, last to first. I was a bit young at the time, so I'm
not sure of the fate of Schoenfeld, but he ultimately went to Detroit
and Boston. Meehan went to Vancouver, Atlanta and Washington. Smith
seems to have hung up his skates after Buffalo, but I don't know if
the captaincy was removed before or after that, or how many games he
played for Buffalo. This is actually getting fascinating. :-)
Captaincy in Buffalo is a sure sign you're to be traded, almost,
unless you're a franchise player.
--
Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then
acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try
v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out.
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From: cbc5b@virginia.edu (Charles Campbell)
Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black?
Organization: University of Virginia
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Jesus was born a Jew. We have biblical accounts of
both his mother's ancestry and his father's, both tracing back
to David. It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus
was Semitic.
As an interesting aside, Jesus' being semitic makes him
neither "white" nor "black," and in some sense underscores the
point made earlier that his color was not important, it was his
message, his grace, and his divinity that we should concentrate
on.
Finally, I would direct anyone interested in African
involvement in the church to the account of the conversion of
the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 9 (I think it's chapter
9). This is one of the earliest conversions, and the eunuch,
treasurer to the queen of the Ethiopians, was definitely
African. Because "Ethiopia" at that time indicated a region
just south of Egypt, many also speculate that this man was not
only the first African Christian, but the first black Christian
as well.
God bless,
Charles Campbell
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From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss)
Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
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In article <1993Apr23.000021.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>> [...] Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are
>> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli
>> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group
>> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year
>> moratorium on taxes.
>>
>> Tom Freebairn
>
>
>Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US
>Government?
Tom's right about this. It's only a grantable right if the granter has
the will and the ability to stop anyone from taking it away from you.
Never mind the legal status.
>Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?
>The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?
Nick's right about this. It's always easier to obtain forgiveness than
permission. Not many people remember that Britain's King George III
expressly forbid his american subjects to cross the alleghany/appalachian
mountains. Said subjects basically said, "Stop us if you can." He
couldn't.
>If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will
>stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you?
That's how the USA started. Of course, that's also how the Bolivarian
Republic started (ca. 1800-1820) in central america. It didn't have
quite the staying power of the USA. I'm sure there are more examples of
going far away and then ignoring authority, but none jump to mind right
now.
>What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your
>services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what
>ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..
Or do as some whaling nations do: define whatever activities you want to
carry out as "scientific research" which just coincidentally requires
the recovery of megatonnes of minerals (or whatever), then go at it.
>Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason
>or another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or
>whatever..
Lute Keyser had just this sort of arrangement with Libya (I think) in
the late '70's for his commercial space launch project (one of the very
earliest). It was killed by Soviet propaganda about NATO cruise
missiles in Africa, which made Libya renege on the arrangement.
Doug Loss
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From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray)
Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy
Organization: The Ohio State University
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I appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which
I have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one
of which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week's
_America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles
Bourke, Corpus Christi's pastor emeritus. Fr. Bourke also directed the NT
translation in the New American Bible. He noted "...certain practices have
been introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality,
and sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy." I note that at my
parents' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the
offertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word "risen". This was not a
kiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass.
I wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies. This newsgroup as a
whole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it's moderated) conversation
on topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself).
Sometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is
the exception, I think. Benefits of the doubt are generally granted. It seems
so...Christian?
John Murray
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From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
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Organization: Indiana University
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In <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model?
>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My
>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine
>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>>
>>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>>Craig
> I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT." I'm pretty sure
>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the
>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
Bzzt.
The manta was a two-door sedan in the US.
It had a 1900 engine.
Was sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900.
Manta's are also ve hot and fun cars too.
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:
>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing
>a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>(described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>in the Chicago area?
It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back
order it from the manufacturer directly. Each one is made to order, at least
if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe).
>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
See below
>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>>
>> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
>> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
>> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
>> is well-protected. I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
>> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.
I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she
doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore). It
is made of 3/4" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.
It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,
professionals can open it rather easily:
1) Freeze a link.
2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).
3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are
frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.
For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.
Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.
FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: The Escrow Database.
Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug
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Here is a disturbing thought.
Now, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in
the electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database
get? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were
I an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow
houses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.)
Well, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of
serial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but
this is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the
population, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for
each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very
valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who
cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my
pocket on two 8mm tapes.
Admittely, they will think of safeguards. They won't put the whole
database on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks
in the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day
by hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience
will dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At
some point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte
tapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will
doubtless claim this can't happen -- but we know that "can't" is a
prayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism.
With two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for
every person's conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you
need the "master key" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information
that have to be stored an awful lot of places.
Come to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database
isn't a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial
political views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the
ones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the
evil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have
a big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial
secrets, so he isn't being completely irrational here (although why
our companies couldn't use cryptosystems without back doors is left
unexplained by those that point out this threat.)
Presumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA
and other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened
many times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some
fraction of the keys. You can't avoid that sort of thing.
Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on
the escrow databases.
We crypto types are all taught something very important at the
beginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the
easily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a
secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our
teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they
would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million
Clipper chips.
I cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this
doesn't realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too
many of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect
that they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are
doing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue
to surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect
that they realize that they can't put things off forever, but they can
try to delay things as long as possible.
Who knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable
bureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe
that this scheme might give people some security, even as their
subordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of
it all.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
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Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)
Subject: Re: Ancient Books
Organization: Indiana University
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Of course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_
by Douglas Jacoby.
Joe Fisher
Oh, and Michael, I wait to see any dents in any armor and my faith
hasn't wavered since the day I became a disciple. You may want to try
it sometime. It's life-changing!
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From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
<1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>
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In article <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>, Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein)
says:
>
>(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?)
>
yup. with onions, of all things.
bob vesterman.
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From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)
Subject: Re: Date is stuck
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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jamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) writes:
>When you leave your radio on at night, it may not be doing anything useful.
>But computers can do something useful even when YOU are not in front of it.
>Just because MS-DOS and WINDOZE does not know how to schedule tasks does
>not mean that all computers hould be shut down every night.
>I bet starting up NT every morning means a good coffee break....
>jamesc
>--
>=========================================
>If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES!
In addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as
a fax machine.
However, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS,
CMOS, and DOS clock/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way
for many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed
the intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that
doesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes
behind where it ought to be.
When unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1:
Clock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program
Manager
A random screen saver is generally running too.
--
Barry Sardis | Home: (408) 448-1589
1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404
San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404
Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
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In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
>writes:
>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>
>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>other, from what I can tell.
When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!
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Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous
--Squidonk--
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For
>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"
>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if
>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy
>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.
One consideration to remember is that if you don't turn it off now,
you may not be able to later. This isn't a case of reaching over and
flipping a switch; much of the spacecraft has to be working correctly
to execute a "turn off" command successfully. Spacecraft do malfunction
in their old age. The big concern is not radio clutter from idle
spacecraft, but radio clutter from malfunctioning spacecraft that can
no longer be turned off.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Subject: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com
In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:
|>
|> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel
|> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.
|> |> --
|> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
|> Mr. water-head,
|> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that
|> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no
|> water is being used on the lebanese
|> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there
|> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.
Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more
difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in
any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support
this?
I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan
had been writing it.
Newsflash:
Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red
Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of
the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea.
The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment.
Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been
denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers
were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the
Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered
heavy casualties while doing so.
|> Hasan
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
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From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
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In article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes:
> I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of
> files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users
> connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public
> key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the
> one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The
> result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it
> is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the
> machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed
> system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal
> private keys during the authentication sequence.
>
>Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated...
>
Just a question.
As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition
for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)
Friendly greetings,
Germano Caronni
--
Instruments register only through things they're designed to register.
Space still contains infinite unknowns.
PGP-Key-ID:341027
Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F
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From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)
Subject: Re: RE: HELP ME INJECT...
Article-I.D.: uwm.1r82eeINNc81
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Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From article <1993Apr22.233001.13436@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk:
> The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle
> and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra
> muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on
> the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there).
> Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make
> sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the
> needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it
> pierces the skin).
>
> PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should
> be avoided as far as possible.
>
The areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little
fat. I inject on my legs and gut, and prefer the gut. I can stick
it in at a 90 degree angle, and barely feel it. I'm not fat, just
have a little gut. My legs however, are muscular, and I have to pinch
to get anything, and then I inject at about a 45 degree angle,and it
still hurts. The rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and
muscular injections however--so if it's a daily thing it would be
best not to switch places every day to keep consistencey. Although
some suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot, to prevent
irritation. When you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep,
wait for it to dry somewhat, or you may get the alcohol in the
puncture, and of course, that doesn't feel good. A way to prevent
irratation is to mark the spot that you injected. A good way to
do this is use a little round bandage and put it over the
spot. This helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot,
and spacing the sites out accuartely (about 1 1/2 " apart.)
This is from experience, so I hope it'll help you. (I have
diabetes and have to take an injection every morning.)
Later,
David
--
David Hahn
University of Wisconsin : Milwaukee
hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait)
Subject: Re: NRA address?
Organization: The University of Illinois
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu
Keywords: NRA Waco RKBA
In article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes:
> Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them
> a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd
> amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended.
National Rifle Association
1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20036-3268
1-800-368-5714 (membership)
--
| Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu |
| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |
| "If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit |
| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war" |
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From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)
Subject: Clipper Chip - How would it work?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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With all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question...
HOW DOES IT WORK???
If you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the
other party (receiving the phone call/mail/etc) have to know some code to
undo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for
another?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone
else could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use
would be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems
like a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with
cryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as
to how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with
this sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated.
Justin York
jyork@iastate.edu
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)
Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)
Organization: Indiana University
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In article <Apr.13.00.09.04.1993.28448@athos.rutgers.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
[insert deletion of unnecessary quote]
>Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure
>from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and
>his angels.
First of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing
people. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on
whom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19). However, if he enjoyed
punishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus
to "seek and save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10)?
>
>To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with
>the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible
>teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their
>judgement is soon to come.
>
>Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory
>should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away
>from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible.
>
You asked for it.
2 Peter 2:4-ff talks about how those who are ungodly are punished.
Matthew 25:31-46 is also very clear that those who do not righteous in
God's eyes will be sent to hell for eternity.
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 states that those who cause trouble for the
disciples "will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out
from the presence of the Lord".
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 talks about those who refuse to love the truth
being condemned.
Revelation 21:6-8 talks about the difference between those who overcomes
and those who do not. Those who do not, listed in verse 8, will be in
the "fiery lake of burning sulfur".
Revelation 14:9-12 gives the indication that those who follow the beast
"will be tormented with burning sulfur" and there being "no rest day or
night" for them because of it.
Psalm 9:17: "The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that
forget God."
I think those should be sufficient to prove the point.
>Darius
Joe Fisher
[In the following I'm mostly playing "devil's advocate". I'm not
advocating either position. My concern is that people understand that
it's possible to see these passages in different ways. It's possible
to see eternal destruction as just that -- destruction. Rev often
uses the term "second death". The most obvious understanding of that
would seem to be final extinction. The problem is that the NT speaks
both of eternal punishment and of second death. I.e. it uses terms
that can be understood either way. My concern here is not to convince
you of one view or the other, but to help people understand that
there's a wide enough variety of images that it's possible to
understand them either way. As Tom Albrecht commented, the primary
point is to do our best to keep people out of the eternal fire,
whatever the details. (To make things more interesting, Luke 20:35
implies that the damned don't get resurrected at all. Presumably
they just stay dead. -- yes I'm aware that it's possible to
understand this passage in a non-literal way.)
2 Peter 2:4-ff is talking about angels, and talks about holding them
in hell until the final judgement. This isn't eternal punishement.
Matthew 25:31-46 talks about sending the cursed into eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels. The fact that the fire is
eternal doesn't mean that people will last in its flames forever.
Particularly interesting is the comment about the fire having been
prepared for the devil and his angels. Rev 20 and 21 talk about the
eternal fire as well. They say that the beast and the false prophet
will be tormented forever in it. When talking about people being
thrown into it (20:13-14), it is referred to as "the second death".
This sounds more like extinction than eternal torment. Is is possible
that the fire has different effects on supernatural entities such as
the devil, and humans?
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 similarly, what is "everlasting destruction"?
This is not necessarily eternal torment. This one can clearly be
understood either way, but I think it's at least possible to think
that everlasting is being used to contrast the kind of destruction
that can occur in this life with the final destruction that occurs in
eternity.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 again talks about destruction.
Revelation 21:6-8: see comment above
Revelation 14:9-12 is probably the best of the quotes. Even there,
it doesn't explicitly say that the people suffer forever. It says
that the smoke (and presumably the fire) is eternal, and that
there is no respite from it. But it doesn't say that the people
are tormented forever.
Psalm 9:17: I don't see that it says anything relevant to this issue.
--clh]
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
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Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
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In <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:
>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up
>>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"
I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame.
Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.
__
Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous
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From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)
Subject: Re: technology
Organization: Kulikauskas home
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mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
> ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities
> disappear. The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried
> out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper
> or face to face.
Well said, Michael!
The Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual
Works of Mercy:
admonish the sinner
instruct the ignorant
counsel the doubtful
comfort the sorrowful
bear wrongs patiently
forgive all injury
pray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy
on this and I don't want to argue about it.)
These are all things that have a direct application to usenet. People
ask questions and express doubts. Some are in need of comfort or
prayers. Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs
patiently and forgave injuries. I would add that it is probably more
appropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly.
Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
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From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times
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In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)
>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
>carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
>on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside
>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
happen before.
Matthew
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From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:
Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.
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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Subject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series?
Article-I.D.: uwm.1pr5f8INN4om
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From article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo):
> What is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300? Seems
> Lexus can't stop popping out new models.
--Let me put it like this. The only similarity between the three models
is the "300", or 3-liter engine displacement. Actually, the SC300 (the
coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0
liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared
with the Camry. The SC300 is a luxury/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new
luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan. All three look
completely different.
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.
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Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl
From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king)
Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz
Distribution: world
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Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:
: Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80's (Part III)" - vinyl
Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of
Men without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...
please contact me, we wish to purchase it!
|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o|
| | |U |\ It's late (again)... | |
|o| |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|
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From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck)
Subject: detecting double points in bezier curves
Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL.
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I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double
point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.
An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated,
Ferdinand.
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>
>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.
>
>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
If we do, I think you'd loose. Sure, you're hand's already on the
throttle. And your thumb is already near the horn button. Pushing the
horn button is one simple move. Revving the throttle requires either
engaging the clutch, or accelerating. The first is a more complex
manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright
when there is a potential hazard ahead. Besides, the unique sound of a
horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than
is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are
on the road!).
As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound
safety procedure.
The answer is 161.33 feet.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert)
Subject: Re: Level 5?
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services
IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
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In <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...
>>>Level 5? Out of how many? ...
>>
>>... Also keep in mind that it was
>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather
>>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the
>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and
>>did the whole process by hand...
>
>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the
>software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically
>correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking
>care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited
>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He
>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management
>pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.)
>
>Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things
>right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure
>during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure.
>As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted
>on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero.
>
>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.
>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the
>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.
>(None of the experimenters could afford it.)
>--
>All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
> - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
>
News-Software: UReply 3.1
X-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert)
<C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu>
In <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...
>>>Level 5? Out of how many? ...
>>
>>... Also keep in mind that it was
>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather
>>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the
>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and
>>did the whole process by hand...
>
>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the
>software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically
>correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking
>care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited
>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He
>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management
>pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.)
>
>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.
>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the
>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.
========================================================================
A couple of points on this thread.
1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger. Challenger
in and of it self did not uncover flaws.
2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true. We have a process that is
not dependent on "sophisticated tools" (CASE tools?). However, tools
cannot fix a bad process. Also, tool support for HAL/S (the Shuttle
Language) is somewhat limited.
3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated "Level 5" by a NASA team.
This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA.
4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info
on our software development process.
Bret Wingert
(713)-282-7534
FAX: (713)-282-8077
Bret Wingert
(713)-282-7534
FAX: (713)-282-8077
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From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:
>Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
>
> They sound like one and the same to me.
>
> I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words
I'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your
premises are wrong from the word "Go". You claim that Christianity is
based on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the
current thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence
that Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death.
Furthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs "regardless of
any evidence that you may find to the contrary." Without any evidence
to support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem
argument.
Mind you, I don't mean this as a personal attack. I'm merely pointing out
the intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion.
It would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do
base their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to
the contrary. Only then can you expect your attack to make sense.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
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In article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
[Andi's posting deleted...]
Hamaza's only comment is:
>Well said Mr. Beyer :)
Andi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know
you're on the wrong track.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware)
Subject: Typewriter w/computer interface
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
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I have the following item for sale:
Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm
selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this
typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no
cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's
great if you need to send letter with "typewriter look". In
stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several "effects" like
underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/
line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the
interface
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge Lach Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA
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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Subject: Kings playoff notes: Stauber, TV ratings, etc.
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
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1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes.
--------------------------------
Playoffs:
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*Stauber disturbed by third-man theme
by Rick Sadowski, Daily News
Barry Melrose's decision to stick Robb Stauber in the stands rather than in the
crease or even on the bench for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not sit well with
the rookie goaltender.
"I want to be a part of the team at the most crucial time of the year, the most
fun time of the year, and I'm not," Stauber said with some emotion Monday. "I
think I have worked hard enough for that."
Stauber said he accepts Melrose's choice of Kelly Hrudey as the teams top goalie
in their playoff series with the Calgary Flames. Hrudey made 21 saves in Sundays
6-3 opening victory.
But Stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the No. 3 man behind Rick
Knickle. Stauber had a 4-1-2 record and 2.98 goals-against average down the
stretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the No. 1 job from Hrudey.
Knickle? He won 2 of 3 decisions but had a bloated 5.26 average, twice was
yanked from games (once for stomach cramps) and hasn't played since March 29.
Yet, when the series resumes Wednesday, Knickle will serve as Hrudey's backup
again and Stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on Olympic
Saddledome popcorn.
"If I'm supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter...I
dropped too. 3. What happened to No. 2?" Stauber wondered. "Not that I'd be
happy with No. 2, but I feel I should at least be a part of this team in the
playoffs."
Perhaps Stauber eventually will get his chance, but Melrose apparently is not
convinced the 25-year old is capable of handling playoff pressure.
While insisting he is the Kings' "goalie of the future," Melrose said Stauber
flubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season. They were,
according to Melrose: a 7-2 loss to San Jose on Dec. 26; An 8-3 loss to the New
York Rangers on Jan. 23; a 6-6 tie with Detroit on Feb. 11; an 8-6 loss to
Vancouver on Thursday.
"Four times this season Robb could have emerged as the elite goalie, he could
have taken it away from Kelly Hrudey, and he didn't do it," Melrose said. "An
elite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him. The mark of a
great goalie is that he isn't satisfied to be a backup."
"I'm not blaming Robb for the losses, but if you're going to be No. 1, you've
got to be able to walk your talk. You've got to be able to play when everything
is on the line. Robb Stauber has a great deal of ability, but maybe I expect
more from him than he does."
Ouch. That remark stung Stauber. He began the season 9-0-1, struggled when the
team hit a mid-season slump, didn't play for a month after Knickle was signed
off the San Diego Gulls roster, then came on at the end.
"I expect more from myself than anybody, including Barry Melrose," said Stauber,
a three-year star at the University of Minnesota who left school in 1989, only
to have his development hampered by a string of serious injuries.
"What I've been through the last four years - two knee operations, a herniated
disk in my back, shoulder surgery - what more can I go through? I obviously do
expect a lot from myself, otherwise I wouldn't be here."
"Anybody who would disagree with that doesn't know me. I'm not saying Barry
doesn't know me, but don't say I've been without expectations. If anything, I'm
a perfectionist."
Stauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games Melrose mentioned. "But
even though I didn't play well, I get knocked down from maybe on to three? It's
a bit of a jump," he said. "You're almost No. 1, or if you play a good game
you're No. 1 and if you don't you're No. 3? Why does Jack Nicklaus shoot a 67
and then a 75? Can you explain that? That's what barry wanted me to explain
to him, why I didn't come through when he counted on me. I don't know. What I
do know is, it's a sport. I'll be there."
Melrose's "goalie of the future" statement doesn't mean much to Stauber. "Before
you know it, I'll be 30 and there will be no future," he said.
------
*Game 1 of the Kings @ Flames playoff series drew a 4.2 Nielsen rating on ABC
Channel 7 here in LA. The Kings averaged a 2.1 Nielsen rating in the 10 regular
season games aired on Channel 5.
Around the NHL:
---------------
*San Jose fired Coach George Kingston, who lead the team to a 11-71-2 mark in
their 2nd NHL season. Kingston was 28-129-7 over the past 2 years with the
Sharks.
------
*Former Islander executive Bill Torrey was named as President of the expansion
Florida Panthers. Bobby Clarke was named as the clubs General Manager.
*Last nights games:
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WIN 2 @ VAN 4 (VAN leads 1-0)
TOR 3 @ DET 6 (DET leads 1-0)
===============================================================================
Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com)
net contact: L.A. Kings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu
to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu
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From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Subject: Does anybody have the schedule for games Sunday 25 Apr 93
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hello Hockey fans.
Bonjour tout le monde!
Well, in Salt Lake City this past Sunday, the local ABC station decided not
to televise the hockey games. La directrous de programme est la tete de merde!
Anyway, I have a satellite dish, and a few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming Sunday (25 Apr), and I can
not find correct game times. For the Calgary at LA game I have times showing
everything from 11:00 AM MDT, to 5:00 PM MDT.
I am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming Sunday, now
that ABC has mucked up the schedule. I think I should be able to
pull in
three games (11:00 am, 2:00 pm, and 5:30 pm MDT) off the dish, but I am
not sure.
IF anybody has a schedule, pleas emial it to me. As you can see, I have to
telent to get rec.sport.hockey, and it is sometimes difficult to get a link.
Thanks in advance
Merci d'avance
P.S. Anglais ou francais d'accord.
Roland Behunin
behunin@oodis01.af.mil
behunin@oodis01.hill.af.mil
--
Roland
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From: mtjensen@nbivax.nbi.dk
Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...
Reply-To: mtjensen
Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen
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In article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:
>
> I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest
> surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just
> my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an
> opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway....
>
> MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and
> in terms of leadership ("can't win without him")
>
> Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player
> that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even
> if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth
> (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not
> even have been in the team's plans).
>
> Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I
> picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on
> offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Team Biggest Biggest
> Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley
> Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?)
> Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit
> Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet
> Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov
> Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby
> Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau
> Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey
> Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten
> Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard
> New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean
> New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois
> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque
> Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek
> Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund
> Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr
> Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson
> San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley
> St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter
> Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper
> Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson
> Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso
> Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik
> Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I
> would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other
> words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!)
>
> Bryan
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From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca)
Subject: Re: nuclear waste
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains
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In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:
> Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure
>that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it.
>Any comments?
Sure. Why keep using oil? A hydrogen/electric economy would likely be
cleaner and more efficient in the long run. The laws of supply and demand
should get the transition underway before we reach a critical stage of
shortage.
--
Matthew DeLuca
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew
Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Sea? What sea? We said rivers!
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
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In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:
>I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance
>attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven
>as part of their plan!
Ok, I'll admit it. I can't find a quote with my meager online
resources. but i did find this little gem:
``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in
this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch
of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the
occupied homeland is liberated...''
--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79
So, Ahmed is right. There was nothing about driving Jews into
the sea, just a bit of "ethnic cleansing," and a river of blood.
Is this an improvement?
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
Subject: Re: old vs. new testament
Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.
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REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:
>We can jillustrate this by pointing to the way God administers His judgment.
>In the OT, sins were not forgiven, but rather covered up. In the age of the
>Church not only are sins forgiven (taken away), but the power of SIN is put to
>death. ...
My, this distinction seems quite arbitrary.
Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered.
(Ps. 32:1).
and quoted by the apostle Paul:
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God
imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins
are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (Rom. 4:6-8)
The biblical perspective seems to be that foregiveness and covering are
parallel/equivalent concepts in both testaments. The dispensational
distinction is unwarranted.
> During the millenium, we read that sins are dealt with immediately
>under the present (ie that Christ is present on earth) rulership of Christ.
I'm sure Rex has Scripture to back this up. You're suggesting Jesus is
going to travel around dealing with individual violations of His law -- for
millions perhaps billions of people. Such activity for Moses the lawgiver
was considered unwise (cf. Ex. 18:13ff). It makes for interesting
speculation, though.
I'll leave comments on the so-called "bema seat" vs. "throne" judgments to
someone else. This also seems like more unnecessary divisions ala
dispensationalism.
--
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From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)
Subject: Re: Can sin "block" our prayers?
Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu
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In article <Apr.12.03.45.11.1993.18872@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:
>mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes:
>
>> Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered:
>> prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7
>
>One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin
>of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically
>stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her.
>He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an
>example of a specific sin that blocks prayer.
>Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
I would be a bit more specific in looking at this verse in regard to
'blocking' prayer. I have trouble thinking that God would allow
anything to block our access to him in prayer, especially if we have
sinned and are praying for forgivenenss.
I can see, however, how our prayer life might be hindered by our
sin, if we are concentrating on what is causing the sin or what has
happened, we may not be thinking about prayer, thus our prayers are
'hindered' by our own actions.
But I don't think anything can 'block' the transmission, or
reception of prayer to God.
Shalom, Len Howard
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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
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Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
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In article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
>the VW a bike.
However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
the Amazona a bike.
Keith Hanlan KeithH@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Subject: Scoring runs. Was Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series
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In article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
|> Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with
|> nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR?
Actually, for the Padres this year so far it's 23%. They are 5th in
the league in HRs, and ALL have been solo shots.
Pythagorean projection puts them at .360 winning percentage
or 58-104. Need some pitching help, fast!
Good news, though, is that Hurst has been throwing curveballs
w/o any pain. Threw 80 pitches yesterday. Should be back
in a couple of weeks. Maybe we can trade him to the Yankees
for Militello.
Dave
--
Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour
>died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such
>behaviour, entirely by chance.
That's the entire point!
>Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an
>organism evolves cooperative behaviour?
Yes!
Natural morality is a morality that developed naturally.
>What about the natural morality of bee dance?
Huh?
keith
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: amitriptyline
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
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In article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes:
>Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of
>amitriptyline would have?
Probably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill
a child. Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low
blood pressure. Possibly cardiac arrhythmias.
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From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)
Subject: Re: Wings will win
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In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they
>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters
>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM
>I have ever seen in hockey
How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were
a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked
unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for
the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would
have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon
of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can
maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level.
In the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray-
way too many to name. Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today.
He fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and
Quinn in my estimation.
I can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen
in hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's.
Gregmeister
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From: buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow)
Subject: NEED HELP FINDING DIP SWITCH SETTINGS AND JUMPER SETTINGS FOR 386SX MOTHERBOARD
Keywords: JUMPER SETTINGS DIP-SWITCH SETTINGS, HELP, COMPUTER 386SX
Organization: National Federation of the Blind of California
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Hello net. I have a 386sx motherboard with the Phoenix BIOS, an on-board
IDE controller port, and two on-board serial ports. Unfortunately, I don't
have a manual for this beast and I would like to be able to disable the IDE
controller in order to use the MFM controller I have.
The board says it is made in Korea and it uses the Chips Chipset. If
anyone can give me a clue as to how to go about configuring the board so as
not to use the IDE controller, or how to go about finding out how to do it,
their help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Please mail buhrow@nfbcal.org with your responses as my news feed is rather
tenuous.
Thank you very much!
-Brian <buhrow@nfbcal.org>
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From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: re: fillibuster
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Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything
|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out.
|>
|> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer
|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough
|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more.
Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore
difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. They
certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this
was not necessarily their true position.
|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty
|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock
|>>set in.
|>
|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the
|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and
|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted
|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)
The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question.
The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914
and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has
considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body.
|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely
|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their
|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed
|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act
|>as a check on the more-often elected House.
The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up
a bit too slow.
|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be
|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the
|>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about
|>a "veto" by the Senate.
The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it
in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent
of being a check on unreasonable legislation. The veto was clearly regarded
as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to
preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive.
the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as
a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into
the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives
of the states is not a reasonable restriction.
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From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Bill Scrivener)
Subject: In need of help....
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Ok, I have a problem that I thought you guys/gals might know about....
I'm running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd. I also have windows 3.1, but
hardly any dos application will run out it. Also, when I do a "mem"
command, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional
memory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory.
And to top it off, I can't load any device drivers into upper memory.
Do I just need more memory? Also, why would it use up ems memory instead
of upper memory?
Please reply by e-mail only to : wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu
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Texas A&M University | sleep with a woman that matters,
College Station, Texas | but the first time
email: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu | you wake up with her."
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From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)
Subject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!
Summary: a sort of bi-monthly not really automated announcement
Originator: hogreq@hog.thinkage.on.ca
Keywords: digests, lists, harley-davidson, hogaholics
Supersedes: <93mar09-hog-announce@hog.thinkage.on.ca>
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT
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Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,
politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,
may subscribe by sending a request to:
harley-request@thinkage.on.ca
or uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request
***
* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full
* Email address. Do not RELY on the header "From:" field being useful to me.
*
* This is not an automated "listserv" facility. Do not expect instant
* gratification.
***
The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.
Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index
listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server.
Server access is restricted to list subscribers only.
FTP access "real soon".
Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me),
these addresses may or may not be current:
2-stroke: 2strokes-request@microunity.com
Dirt: dirt-request@zygot.ati.com
European: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
Racing: race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com
Wet Leather: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
---
It climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light...
-Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)
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From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Abortion
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
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Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com
Organization: The Village Waterbed
In <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes:
>To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
>From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
>
>LM>> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away.
>LM>>
>LM>>LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of
>LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel.
>LM>>
>LM>>Life is not a "violation".
>
>LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation.
>
>Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that
>childs life is the ultimate violation.
I happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the
"violation" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb.
Your mileage may vary.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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From: feszcm@warren1c.its.rpi.edu (Michael Jaroslaw Feszczyszyn)
Subject: Re: Fenway Gif
Nntp-Posting-Host: warren1c.its.rpi.edu
Reply-To: feszcm@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
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In article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu>, acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes:
|> I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.
|> I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.
|> Thanks in advance.
|>
|> -Dan
Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please.
Thanx in advance,
Mike Feszczyszyn
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From: afung@athena.mit.edu (Archon Fung)
Subject: wrong RAM in Duo?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: thobbes.mit.edu
A few posts back, somebody mentioned that the Duo might crash if it has
the wrong kind (non-self refreshing) of RAM in it. My Duo crashes
sometimes after sleep, and I am wondering if there is any software which
will tell me whether or not I have the right kind of RAM installed. I
had thought that the problem was the battery connection.
Thanks in Advance,
Archon Fung
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From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes)
Nntp-Posting-Host: taos
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
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In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes:
|> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the
|> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's
|> Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before
|> the raid.
The briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a
similar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the
raid, if recent TV coverage can be believed.
|> This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property;
|> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.
The Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he
released, which lambasted the Sheriff's Office.
Too bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn't take a few
goose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him.
--
Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing." -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument
Summary: Includes a list of logical fallacies
Keywords: FAQ, atheism, argument, fallacies, logic
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:14 GMT
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Alt-atheism-archive-name: logic
Last-modified: 5 April 1993
Version: 1.4
Constructing a Logical Argument
Although there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument
found is poor. This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to
logic, in the hope of improving the general level of debate.
Logic is the science of reasoning, proof, thinking, or inference [Concise
OED]. Logic allows us to analyze a piece of reasoning and determine whether
it is correct or not (valid or invalid). Of course, one does not need to
study logic in order to reason correctly; nevertheless, a little basic
knowledge of logic is often helpful when constructing or analyzing an
argument.
Note that no claim is being made here about whether logic is universally
applicable. The matter is very much open for debate. This document merely
explains how to use logic, given that you have already decided that logic is
the right tool for the job.
Propositions (or statements) are the building blocks of a logical argument. A
proposition is a statement which is either true or false; for example, "It is
raining" or "Today is Tuesday". Propositions may be either asserted (said to
be true) or denied (said to be false). Note that this is a technical meaning
of "deny", not the everyday meaning.
The proposition is the meaning of the statement, not the particular
arrangement of words used to express it. So "God exists" and "There exists a
God" both express the same proposition.
An argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, "a connected series of
statements to establish a definite proposition". An argument consists of
three stages.
First of all, the propositions which are necessary for the argument to
continue are stated. These are called the premises of the argument. They
are the evidence or reasons for accepting the argument and its conclusions.
Premises (or assertions) are often indicated by phrases such as "because",
"since", "obviously" and so on. (The phrase "obviously" is often viewed with
suspicion, as it can be used to intimidate others into accepting suspicious
premises. If something doesn't seem obvious to you, don't be afraid to
question it. You can always say "Oh, yes, you're right, it is obvious" when
you've heard the explanation.)
Next, the premises are used to derive further propositions by a process known
as inference. In inference, one proposition is arrived at on the basis of
one or more other propositions already accepted. There are various forms of
valid inference.
The propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further
inference. Inference is often denoted by phrases such as "implies that" or
"therefore".
Finally, we arrive at the conclusion of the argument -- the proposition which
is affirmed on the basis of the premises and inference. Conclusions are often
indicated by phrases such as "therefore", "it follows that", "we conclude"
and so on. The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference.
For example:
Every event has a cause (premise)
The universe has a beginning (premise)
All beginnings involve an event (premise)
This implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event (inference)
Therefore the universe has a cause (inference and conclusion)
Note that the conclusion of one argument might be a premise in another
argument. A proposition can only be called a premise or a conclusion with
respect to a particular argument; the terms do not make sense in isolation.
Sometimes an argument will not follow the order given above; for example,
the conclusions might be stated first and the premises stated
afterwards in support of the conclusion. This is perfectly valid, if
sometimes a little confusing.
Recognizing an argument is much harder than recognizing premises or
conclusions. Many people shower their writing with assertions without ever
producing anything which one might reasonably describe as an argument. Some
statements look like arguments, but are not. For example:
"If the Bible is accurate, Jesus must either have been insane, an evil liar,
or the Son of God."
This is not an argument, it is a conditional statement. It does not assert
the premises which are necessary to support what appears to be its
conclusion. (It also suffers from a number of other logical flaws, but we'll
come to those later.)
Another example:
"God created you; therefore do your duty to God."
The phrase "do your duty to God" is not a proposition, since it is neither
true nor false. Therefore it is not a conclusion, and the sentence is not an
argument.
Finally, causality is important. Consider a statement of the form "A because
B". If we're interested in establishing A and B is offered as evidence, the
statement is an argument. If we're trying to establish the truth of B, then
it is not an argument, it is an explanation.
For example:
"There must be something wrong with the engine of my car, because it will not
start." -- This is an argument.
"My car will not start because there is something wrong with the engine."
-- This is an explanation.
There are two traditional types of argument, deductive and inductive. A
deductive argument is one which provides conclusive proof of its conclusions
-- that is, an argument where if the premises are true, the conclusion must
also be true. A deductive argument is either valid or invalid. A valid
argument is defined as one where if the premises are true, then the
conclusion is true.
An inductive argument is one where the premises provide some evidence for the
truth of the conclusion. Inductive arguments are not valid or invalid;
however, we can talk about whether they are better or worse than other
arguments, and about how probable their premises are.
There are forms of argument in ordinary language which are neither deductive
nor inductive. However, we will concentrate for the moment on deductive
arguments, as they are often viewed as the most rigorous and convincing.
It is important to note that the fact that a deductive argument is valid does
not imply that its conclusion holds. This is because of the slightly
counter-intuitive nature of implication, which we must now consider more
carefully.
Obviously a valid argument can consist of true propositions. However, an
argument may be entirely valid even if it contains only false propositions.
For example:
All insects have wings (premise)
Woodlice are insects (premise)
Therefore woodlice have wings (conclusion)
Here, the conclusion is not true because the argument's premises are false.
If the argument's premises were true, however, the conclusion would be true.
The argument is thus entirely valid.
More subtly, we can reach a true conclusion from one or more false premises,
as in:
All fish live in the sea (premise)
Dolphins are fish (premise)
Therefore dolphins live in the sea (conclusion)
However, the one thing we cannot do is reach a false conclusion through valid
inference from true premises. We can therefore draw up a "truth table" for
implication.
The symbol "=>" denotes implication; "A" is the premise, "B" the conclusion.
"T" and "F" represent true and false respectively.
Premise Conclusion Inference
A B A=>B
----------------------------
F F T If the premises are false and the inference
F T T valid, the conclusion can be true or false.
T F F If the premises are true and the conclusion
false, the inference must be invalid.
T T T If the premises are true and the inference valid,
the conclusion must be true.
A sound argument is a valid argument whose premises are true. A sound
argument therefore arrives at a true conclusion. Be careful not to confuse
valid arguments with sound arguments.
To delve further into the structure of logical arguments would require
lengthy discussion of linguistics and philosophy. It is simpler and probably
more useful to summarize the major pitfalls to be avoided when constructing
an argument. These pitfalls are known as fallacies.
In everyday English the term "fallacy" is used to refer to mistaken beliefs
as well as to the faulty reasoning that leads to those beliefs. This is fair
enough, but in logic the term is generally used to refer to a form of
technically incorrect argument, especially if the argument appears valid or
convincing.
So for the purposes of this discussion, we define a fallacy as a logical
argument which appears to be correct, but which can be seen to be incorrect
when examined more closely. By studying fallacies we aim to avoid being
misled by them. The following list of fallacies is not intended to be
exhaustive.
ARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM (APPEAL TO FORCE)
The Appeal to Force is committed when the arguer resorts to force or the
threat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion. It
is often used by politicians, and can be summarized as "might makes right".
The force threatened need not be a direct threat from the arguer.
For example:
"... Thus there is ample proof of the truth of the Bible. All those who
refuse to accept that truth will burn in Hell."
ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
Argumentum ad hominem is literally "argument directed at the man".
The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when, instead of trying
to disprove the truth of an assertion, the arguer attacks the person or
people making the assertion. This is invalid because the truth of an
assertion does not depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.
For example:
"Atheism is an evil philosophy. It is practised by Communists and murderers."
Sometimes in a court of law doubt is cast upon the testimony of a witness by
showing, for example, that he is a known perjurer. This is a valid way of
reducing the credibility of the testimony given by the witness, and not
argumentum ad hominem; however, it does not demonstrate that the witness's
testimony is false. To conclude otherwise is to fall victim of the
Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (see elsewhere in this list).
The circumstantial form of Argumentum ad Hominem is committed when a person
argues that his opponent ought to accept the truth of an assertion because of
the opponent's particular circumstances.
For example:
"It is perfectly acceptable to kill animals for food. How can you argue
otherwise when you're quite happy to wear leather shoes?"
This is an abusive charge of inconsistency, used as an excuse for dismissing
the opponent's argument.
This fallacy can also be used as a means of rejecting a conclusion. For
example:
"Of course you would argue that positive discrimination is a bad thing.
You're white."
This particular form of Argumentum ad Hominem, when one alleges that one's
adversary is rationalizing a conclusion formed from selfish interests, is
also known as "poisoning the well".
ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM
Argumentum ad ignorantium means "argument from ignorance". This fallacy
occurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it
has not been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that
something must be false because it has not been proved true. (Note that this
is not the same as assuming that something is false until it has been proved
true, a basic scientific principle.)
Examples:
"Of course the Bible is true. Nobody can prove otherwise."
"Of course telepathy and other psychic phenomena do not exist. Nobody has
shown any proof that they are real."
Note that this fallacy does not apply in a court of law, where one is
generally assumed innocent until proven guilty.
Also, in scientific investigation if it is known that an event would produce
certain evidence of its having occurred, the absence of such evidence can
validly be used to infer that the event did not occur. For example:
"A flood as described in the Bible would require an enormous volume of water
to be present on the earth. The earth does not have a tenth as much water,
even if we count that which is frozen into ice at the poles. Therefore no
such flood occurred."
In science, we can validly assume from lack of evidence that something has
not occurred. We cannot conclude with certainty that it has not occurred,
however.
ARGUMENTUM AD MISERICORDIAM
This is the Appeal to Pity, also known as Special Pleading. The fallacy is
committed when the arguer appeals to pity for the sake of getting a
conclusion accepted. For example:
"I did not murder my mother and father with an axe. Please don't find me
guilty; I'm suffering enough through being an orphan."
ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM
This is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People. To
commit this fallacy is to attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by
appealing to a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often
characterized by emotive language. For example:
"Pornography must be banned. It is violence against women."
"The Bible must be true. Millions of people know that it is. Are you trying
to tell them that they are all mistaken fools?"
ARGUMENTUM AD NUMERAM
This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of
asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more
likely it is that that proposition is correct.
ARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM
The Appeal to Authority uses the admiration of the famous to try and win
support for an assertion. For example:
"Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God."
This line of argument is not always completely bogus; for example, reference
to an admitted authority in a particular field may be relevant to a
discussion of that subject. For example, we can distinguish quite clearly
between:
"Stephen Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation"
and
"John Searle has concluded that it is impossible to build an intelligent
computer"
Hawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his opinions on black
hole radiation to be informed. Searle is a linguist, so it is questionable
whether he is well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence.
THE FALLACY OF ACCIDENT
The Fallacy of Accident is committed when a general rule is applied to a
particular case whose "accidental" circumstances mean that the rule is
inapplicable. It is the error made when one goes from the general to the
specific. For example:
"Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must
dislike atheists."
This fallacy is often committed by moralists and legalists who try to decide
every moral and legal question by mechanically applying general rules.
CONVERSE ACCIDENT / HASTY GENERALIZATION
This fallacy is the reverse of the fallacy of accident. It occurs when one
forms a general rule by examining only a few specific cases which are not
representative of all possible cases.
For example:
"Jim Bakker was an insincere Christian. Therefore all Christians are
insincere."
SWEEPING GENERALIZATION / DICTO SIMPLICITER
A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a
particular situation in which the features of that particular situation
render the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a
hasty generalization.
NON CAUSA PRO CAUSA / POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC
These are known as False Cause fallacies.
The fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when one identifies something as the
cause of an event but it has not actually been shown to be the cause. For
example:
"I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared. So God
cured me of the headache."
The fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc occurs when something is assumed to
be the cause of an event merely because it happened before the event. For
example:
"The Soviet Union collapsed after taking up atheism. Therefore we must avoid
atheism for the same reasons."
CUM HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC
This fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc. It asserts that
because two events occur together, they must be causally related, and leaves
no room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events.
PETITIO PRINCIPII
This fallacy occurs when the premises are at least as questionable as the
conclusion reached.
CIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO
This fallacy occurs when one assumes as a premise the conclusion which one
wishes to reach. Often, the proposition will be rephrased so that the
fallacy appears to be a valid argument. For example:
"Homosexuals must not be allowed to hold government office. Hence any
government official who is revealed to be a homosexual will lose his job.
Therefore homosexuals will do anything to hide their secret, and will be open
to blackmail. Therefore homosexuals cannot be allowed to hold government
office."
Note that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the
conclusion. An argument like the above has actually been cited as the reason
for the British Secret Services' official ban on homosexual employees.
Another example is the classic:
"We know that God exists because the Bible tells us so. And we know that the
Bible is true because it is the word of God."
COMPLEX QUESTION / FALLACY OF INTERROGATION
This is the Fallacy of Presupposition. One example is the classic loaded
question:
"Have you stopped beating your wife?"
The question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not
even been asked. This trick is often used by lawyers in cross-examination,
when they ask questions like:
"Where did you hide the money you stole?"
Similarly, politicians often ask loaded questions such as:
"How long will this EC interference in our affairs be allowed to continue?"
or
"Does the Chancellor plan two more years of ruinous privatization?"
IGNORATIO ELENCHI
The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument
supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do
with that conclusion.
For example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the
teachings of Christianity are undoubtably true. If he then argues at length
that Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he
argues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true.
Sadly, such fallacious arguments are often successful because they arouse
emotions which cause others to view the supposed conclusion in a more
favourable light.
EQUIVOCATION
Equivocation occurs when a key word is used with two or more different
meanings in the same argument. For example:
"What could be more affordable than free software? But to make sure that it
remains free, that users can do what they like with it, we must place a
license on it to make sure that will always be freely redistributable."
AMPHIBOLY
Amphiboly occurs when the premises used in an argument are ambiguous because
of careless or ungrammatical phrasing.
ACCENT
Accent is another form of fallacy through shifting meaning. In this case,
the meaning is changed by altering which parts of a statement are
emphasized. For example, consider:
"We should not speak ILL of our friends"
and
"We should not speak ill of our FRIENDS"
FALLACIES OF COMPOSITION
One fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property shared by the parts
of something must apply to the whole. For example:
"The bicycle is made entirely of low mass components, and is therefore very
lightweight."
The other fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property of a number
of individual items is shared by a collection of those items. For example:
"A car uses less petrol and causes less pollution than a bus. Therefore cars
are less environmentally damaging than buses."
FALLACY OF DIVISION
The fallacy of division is the opposite of the fallacy of composition. Like
its opposite, it exists in two varieties. The first is to assume that a
property of some thing must apply to its parts. For example:
"You are studying at a rich college. Therefore you must be rich."
The other is to assume that a property of a collection of items is shared by
each item. For example:
"Ants can destroy a tree. Therefore this ant can destroy a tree."
THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT
This argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful
events. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the
first event.
For example:
"If we legalize marijuana, then we would have to legalize crack and heroin
and we'll have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare. Therefore we cannot
legalize marijuana."
"A IS BASED ON B" FALLACIES / "IS A TYPE OF" FALLACIES
These fallacies occur when one attempts to argue that things are in some way
similar without actually specifying in what way they are similar.
Examples:
"Isn't history based upon faith? If so, then isn't the Bible also a form of
history?"
"Islam is based on faith, Christianity is based on faith, so isn't Islam a
form of Christianity?"
"Cats are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, dogs are a form of
animal based on carbon chemistry, so aren't dogs a form of cat?"
AFFIRMATION OF THE CONSEQUENT
This fallacy is an argument of the form "A implies B, B is true, therefore A
is true". To understand why it is a fallacy, examine the truth table for
implication given earlier.
DENIAL OF THE ANTECEDENT
This fallacy is an argument of the form "A implies B, A is false, therefore B
is false". Again, the truth table for implication makes it clear why this is
a fallacy.
Note that this fallacy is different from Non Causa Pro Causa; the latter has
the form "A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false", where A does NOT in
fact imply B at all. Here, the problem is not that the implication is
invalid; rather it is that the falseness of A does not allow us to deduce
anything about B.
CONVERTING A CONDITIONAL
This fallacy is an argument of the form "If A then B, therefore if B then A".
ARGUMENTUM AD ANTIQUITAM
This is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply
because it is old, or because "that's the way it's always been."
ARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM
This is the opposite of the argumentum ad antiquitam; it is the fallacy of
asserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer
than something else.
ARGUMENTUM AD CRUMENAM
The fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those
with more money are more likely to be right.
ARGUMENTUM AD LAZARUM
The fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or
more virtuous than one who is wealthier. This fallacy is the opposite of the
argumentum ad crumenam.
ARGUMENTUM AD NAUSEAM
This is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the
more often it is heard. An "argumentum ad nauseum" is one that employs
constant repetition in asserting something.
BIFURCATION
Also referred to as the "black and white" fallacy, bifurcation occurs when
one presents a situation as having only two alternatives, where in fact other
alternatives exist or can exist.
PLURIUM INTERROGATIONUM / MANY QUESTIONS
This fallacy occurs when a questioner demands a simple answer to a complex
question.
NON SEQUITUR
A non-sequitur is an argument where the conclusion is drawn from premises
which are not logically connected with it.
RED HERRING
This fallacy is committed when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue
being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the
points being made, towards a different conclusion.
REIFICATION / HYPOSTATIZATION
Reification occurs when an abstract concept is treated as a concrete thing.
SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF
The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or
proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad
ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who
denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is
the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.
STRAW MAN
The straw man fallacy is to misrepresent someone else's position so that it
can be attacked more easily, then to knock down that misrepresented position,
then to conclude that the original position has been demolished. It is a
fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been
made.
THE EXTENDED ANALOGY
The fallacy of the Extended Analogy often occurs when some suggested general
rule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two
different situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a
claim that those situations are analogous to each other.
This fallacy is best explained using a real example from a debate about
anti-cryptography legislation:
"I believe it is always wrong to oppose the law by breaking it."
"Such a position is odious: it implies that you would not have supported
Martin Luther King."
"Are you saying that cryptography legislation is as important as the
struggle for Black liberation? How dare you!"
TU QUOQUE
This is the famous "you too" fallacy. It occurs when an action is argued to
be acceptable because the other party has performed it. For instance:
"You're just being randomly abusive."
"So? You've been abusive too."
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From: Kurt Godden <godden@gmr.com>
Subject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car
Organization: GM R&D
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This appeared today in the
The Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car
in the US for sale in Japan. Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate
Communications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith
had a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota.
this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM
exports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed
vehicle sales,
parts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an
arrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive
vehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan. A working group has been
formed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details.
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From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite)
Subject: Re: Searching for xgolf
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville
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The xgolf program was an April Fool's joke <sigh>.
Steve Hite
shite@sinkhole.unf.edu
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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Leaf slump over
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
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In <1993Apr13.190225.29001@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:
>On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham
>Hudson):
>>You don't think he is performing "under pressure" now? The major
>>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play-
>>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You
>>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this
>>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you
>>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of
>>this drivel, simply half-baked?
>This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who
>would like to check.
>He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased]
>>"Playoff hockey" is just an expression used by announcers to convince
>>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better
>>product than a regular-season game.
>*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
>(Roger Maynard) writes:
>>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters
>>what playoff hockey is all about.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient
>phrase to use in certain circumstances only?
>You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later
>it catches up with you....
Nice try Deepak, but "tough Whaler squad" should have clued you in to the
fact that my Leaf woofing was tongue-in-cheek.
If playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then
it is because the teams are facing each other at least 4 consecutive times
in 7 days and hockey being the contact sport that it is, some things will
be carried over that might dissipate during the regular season. But that is
only for some of the players. Many of the rest, who have been playing with
injuries, who miss their families, or who, like Grant Fuhr, would really
rather be playing golf, don't really give a damn. Of course I can't say this
for sure, but I believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and I
don't think that hockey players are above having what I consider typically
human attitudes.
With the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing
money by participating in the playoffs. The ones who regard the playoff
"take" as some kind of a bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely
to consistently be a force in the playoffs. Now I know some of you are
going to come back with "winning spirit" and all of that crap but these
players are professionals after all. While they may love to play the
game that love is entirely incidental to their purpose, which is, to make
a decent living.
Of course, the coach is a professional as well, and part of what he is
being paid to do is motivate the players. So, if the coach does his
job well enough the players may respond with a winning effort.
The second season, is after all, merely an exhibition. The true Champions
of the league are the division winners, the teams that come out on top
after the long struggle of the season. The Stanley cup playoffs merely
accord victory to the team that has remained healthy and "hot". The
emphasis on the playoffs, with their "sudden death" appeal has been promoted
by the media and the owners with profit purely in mind. Even if Pittsburgh
loses the playoffs, we all know that they were really the best team in the
league over the year. They proved it.
cordially, as always,
rm
--
Roger Maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Not the Omni!
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Charley Wingate (mangoe@cs.umd.edu) wrote:
:
: >> Please enlighten me. How is omnipotence contradictory?
:
: >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules
: >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed
: >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts
: >the rules of nature.
:
: Obviously, an omnipotent god can change the rules.
When you say, "By definition", what exactly is being defined;
certainly not omnipotence. You seem to be saying that the "rules of
nature" are pre-existant somehow, that they not only define nature but
actually cause it. If that's what you mean I'd like to hear your
further thoughts on the question.
Bill
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From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)
Subject: Re: note to Bobby M.
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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In <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional. Under
>atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide.
And you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as
someone who can do no wrong, and you've _defined_ people who do wrong as
atheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and,
as such, has no value.
--
Sami Aario | "Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode
a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."
-------------------' "Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"
Eros in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros.
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From: egb7390@ucs.usl.edu (Boutte Erika G)
Subject: M. contagiosem
Organization: The Wild Wacky World of Dolly Parton Clones in Zero Gravity
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I was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem.
I acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers
in my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have
received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but
also occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
"I grow old, I grow old;
I shall wear my trousers rolled."
-T. S. Eliot
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Subject: Dataproducts LZR1260 not printing correctly
Organization: Regional Network Systems Group, Perth
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/ \ Regional Network Systems mitchell@telecomwa.oz.au
>> *_.--._/ Perth , Western Australia
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From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford)
Subject: Selling Riding Lawn Mower
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Summary: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale
Lines: 26
1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER
This mower is in perfect condition and
contains the following features:
- Electric Start
- 26 inch cut
- Double Rear Baggers
- New Battery
- New Engine (one year old)
- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)
- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)
I am moving into a house that has a
small area of grass to cut and does not
require such large mower. The engine was
replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to
some faulty work done by a lawn mower
repair shop.
PRICE: $600.00
PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message)
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