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From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Competing standard Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 22 Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S. government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative. For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)? This could be substantially the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court- issued warrant). Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could generate a new key pair and go about your business. I find that I'd be willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the alternative. If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?). This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys. (Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement capabilities.) Any comments? --John Kelsey
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From: Shelomoh*S*ZIENIUK <27916070@PLEARN.BITNET> Subject: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC Originator: tpm@israel.nysernet.org Reply-To: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET Organization: Nysernet Lines: 32 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- D"SB Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y"D b'Nisan ThShN"G; Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod. SHALOM ALL! Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be interested in the following events timetable (abridged): 19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins' walk from the Palace of Science & Culture: the tallest building in the city's centre, & the same distance from the Central Railway Station). 09:30, Sat., 17th April, " : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul. 11:30, Sun., 18th April, " : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul. 13:00, Sun., 18th April, " : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery (Okopowa Street, Warsaw). 18:00, Sun., 18th April, " : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall (a building adjacent to the Palace of Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul -- is located a quarter's walk from most of downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria, Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott). 12:00, Mon., 19th April, " : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros Monument. Shabbat Shalom UL'Hitraot B'Varsha! Shelomoh*Slawek*ZIENIUK, student, Univ. of Warsaw (Dept. of Hebrew), Warsaw. ani shalom v'khi adaber hema lamilchama: -- Tehillim Q"K:Z' Guest e-mail account: <27916070@plearn.bitnet>
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From: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal) Subject: Wierd xdm behavior Organization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.stat.washington.edu Originator: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu Dear sun and windows people, I am running sun workstations with SunOs 4.1.1 and vanilla X11 R5. I have a bunch of xterminals as well. Today I had my xdm fail. At about 9:30 it was impossible to login to a host from an xterminal. The message was the "xdm too many retransmissions". In my xdm-errors file I had the following entries: >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 >error (pid 7927): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: > >I also had: > >error (pid 7457): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 >error (pid 7462): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 Also, at the console, the login box would come up for about 2 seconds and then it would go away. It would do this continuously. I could login from another workstation to the hosts in question, however, I could not login on the console. I tried killing xdm and restarting it but that didn't help. I finally rebooted all the hosts. (Which hurts when done in the middle of the day). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22 University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627 ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Look, another bit!" -- Repo Man (the movie)
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From: gscott@b64542.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (George Scott) Subject: Roland D-50 For Sale Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: b64542.student.cwru.edu For sale: Roland D-50: $700 or best offer. Excellent condition. Includes over 1000 patches on disk (In cakewalk sysex format) Buyer must pay COD shipping. Please e-mail responses to: gms2@po.cwru.edu Thanks. George -- George Scott (gscott@b64542.student.cwru.edu) (gms2@po.cwru.edu)
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Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr5.024626.19942@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > >Peace, Bobby: Get this the hell out of your .sig until you 1) learn what it stands for and 2) really mean it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: rknight@stiatl.salestech.com (Ray Knight) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc. Lines: 19 uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes: >re: majority of users not readding from floppy. >Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use >CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked >the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current >didrectory? Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2 applications. -- What I have to say is my own opinion and has no bearing on any other person or organization including my employer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- rknight@salestech.com (404) 841-5316 Sales Technologies, Inc.
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From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Nntp-Posting-Host: silene Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr21.085848.12704W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: |> |> > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not |> >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good |> >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying |> >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, |> >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, |> >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of |> >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy |> >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for |> >practical applications, and are merely curious? |> > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I |> >can. |> |> May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a |> "Copy protection FAQ" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such |> an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will |> provide the answers :-) |> |> Ketil Albertsen Hey, now will you stop encouraging him? Copy protection only serves one pur- pose: to keep the honest buyer from making (legal) backup copies. It will definitely not stop any pirates. If you want to protect you soft, supply a good documentation and support. This is IMHO the *only* way of effectively pro- tecting software. Best Regards, Arno -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-) ------- No, you're not paranoid - the world is really out to get you -----------
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From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB") Subject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 16 on Date: 01 Apr 93 18:03:12 GMT, Ralph Buttigieg <ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au> writes: /Why can't the government just be a tennant? Private commercial concerns /could just build a space station system and charge rent to the government /financed researchers wanting to use it. I believe that this was the thought behind the Industrial Space Facility. I don't remember all the details, but I think Space Services (?) wanted NASA to sign an anchor tenancy deal in order to help secure some venture capital but NASA didn't like the deal. (I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong!) Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics "Man will not fly for fifty years": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 41 In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable >all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), >as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no >mention of "session keys" being the escrowed entities. True in theory. In practice? The technology of cellular phones will probably be spread spectrum and quite difficult to record the crypttext without the key. If the frequency path depends on they key, as I understand it to, it *could* be made effectively impossible to record. Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, "Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?" can they? >worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Yes, that is a major concern, but I think that they think they can win just by having 99.5% of the USA use this system. They don't even have to care about the cautious .5% that's left. They don't catch the really smart crooks anyway. John Gotti, who would have to be retarded not to realize he was likely to be wiretapped, glibly chatted away on his tapped phone about murder plans. That's why he's in jail now. Hard to believe, but true. This scheme can succeed without laws forbidding more, which people would fight a lot harder. They like this enough that they are dropping the so called "Digital Telephony" proposal, according to rumours. However the meaning of that is complex, since they still want to get at the crypttext on telco systems, and that requires a bit of work. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: New Uniforms Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 10 While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing money to be made in sales of new merchandise. Jeffrey Popovich jpopovich@guvax.georgetown.edu
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From: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Keywords: entropy Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 9 In article <6040@osc.COM> Joe Keane <jgk@osc.com> writes: :As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, :without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random :bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is :pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. Sounds like a useful program - interested in posting it to alt.sources? G
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From: scanlonm@rimail.interlan.com (Michael Scanlon) Subject: 17" monitor with RGB/sync to VGA ?? Keywords: RGB VGA 17"monitor Lines: 13 Organization: none Distribution: usa I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster Technologies 17" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would I need different drivers etc. Thanks Mike Scanlon please reply to scanlon@interlan.com
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From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 7 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow up I can dig that out for you. C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon
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From: jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) Subject: An agnostic's question Organization: BoGART To You Buddy, Bellevue, WA Lines: 24 Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the complication is that one of my best friends has become very fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is, according to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship. I would have no problem if the subject didn't come up, but when it does, the discussion quickly begins to offend both of us: he is offended because I call into question his bedrock beliefs; I am offended by what I feel is a subscription to superstition, rationalized by such circular arguments as 'the Bible is God's word because He tells us in the Bible that it is so.' So my question is, how can I convince him that this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve what is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great friendship? How do I convince him that I am 'beyond saving' so he won't try? Thanks for any advice. -- Jim Tomlinson 206-865-6578 \ "falling snow BoGART Project jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com \ excellent snow" Boeing Computer Services ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!jdt \ - Anderson/Gabriel
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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <STEINLY.93Apr20160116@topaz.ucsc.edu>, steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --
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From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 25 In article <Apr16.182858.51611@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >|> In article <Apr15.175334.72079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: > >[.....] > >|> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and >|> selectively naive. > >Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive >and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future >Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. > >Basil What is the point in throwing out one-sided viewpoints (which means: ignoring that the "other side's" perspective and experience HAS ANY LEGITIMACY) while assuming that "your side" possesses no faults and bears no responbility for ANY of the negative impacts of a particular event? Isn't the former onesided? Isn't the latter naive? If you feel that my opinion is wrong then please tell me how. "Strategic withdrawal" under the cover of a snide remark seems to be the favored tactic on this net but doesn't accomplish anything.
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Organization: Penn State University From: <JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Lines: 2 YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!
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From: michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) Subject: creating a GIF file. Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh. Thanks michel@crnsu1.in2p3.fr Laurent MICHEL CRN - GTI BP 20 67037 STRASBOURG cedex (France) Phone (33) 88 28 62 76
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 36 In article <philC5HsII.GFt@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.121723.20568@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: >>When are Libertarians going to draw a clear line between >>themselves and NAMBLA? By your own statements, you were once >>a member of an organization which you *knew* supported >>exactly what NAMBLA supports, namely abolishing the age of >>consent. I've never supported any such organization. YOU >>have. >While both organizations may, on paper, support the abolition of the age >of consent, there the resemblance stops. >One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade >to "legitimize" sexual relations with children. What's the difference, in practice? It amounts to your saying, it's disgusting but should be legal, ***or*** someone else saying, let's allow the parties involved to decide what is disgusting. Or, if you're like me, you think that it ISN'T a coercive law, because some children can't make informed consent. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in ones true self. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: Splitting drives into two - does it make them faster? Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 33 In article <6D8q2B5w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes: >guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: > >> > the partitions take up disk space, having 3 or 4 partition will cost >> > somewhere between 4-8 meg of hard disk space, if you can afoord this >> > luxury more power to you, its your choice. >> > >> >> Where does all this disk space go? The DOS partition table is fixed length >> and every hard disk carries one. What is useing this lost 4-8MB? > > If I remember right, the partition table is allocated an entire CYLINDER. >To find out how much it takes up, you need to calculate: >heads * sectors * 512 > > Also, if you create an extended partition, there is a second 'partition' >in there for the logical drives. I think the original respondent (Guy Dawson?) was refering to something much more elementary. Every partition (whether it is the entire disk or not) has two FATs and an initial directory. If you have a small disk (50 meg or less), I would recommend that it remain a single partition. Unless you have some other consideration. If you have a large disk (greater than 200 meg), multiple partitions can make sense. -- Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP
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From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 38 In article <C5JBKF.9B8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: > In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: > > >Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and > >Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a > >real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? > > The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded ^^^^ I think it was the IIT people who make the chip the card is based on who hard-coded the string. One of the weeklies looked into this an came to the conclusion that the IIT chip was still pretty fast. > Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench > results are pretty much inflated. > > When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off > you.. 9-) > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala > Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach > Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377
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From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods. I reserve the right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or the check would be mailed within 24 hours). Mark Thorson
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From: anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco) Subject: Re: Clipper and Ranting Libertarians Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: clipper clinton rant rave libertarians Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Just a little nitpicking. Wasn't it the government that required a standard railway gauge ? Didn't that improve things ? Please don't misunderstand. I'm utter suspicious of this Clipper chip. Why hold the design TOP SECRET ? Was this a work around the law that says that any discoveries made by people working for the government is public domain. ( e.g. NIH Class Library, etc. ) DES has its designs published all over the place and it is considered fairly strong ( although could be stronger ). - Ants
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From: dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino) Subject: Psoriatic Arthritis - Info Needed Please! Originator: dmp@eagle Organization: Citibank IBISM Lines: 34 A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago. The psoriasis is under control but the arthritis part of the illness is not. Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but isn't helping much now. My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but this isn't helping control the pain at all. In the past two months my friend has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months. As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping. Staying in one position too long is an ordeal. Another major contributor to pain is that tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs). The tendonitis is quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment to relieve it. The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is now recommending Prednisone. The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some of the pain from the tendonitis. My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine). If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely grateful if you could e-mail to me. If anyone is interested, I'll post a summary to this newsgroup. thanks in advance, Donna dmp@fig.citib.com
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more > difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. > The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military > in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. Proof by assertion! I love it! Uh, please explain why the smugglers do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials when you can bribe them..."I'll give you a hundred grand to let that semi past..."), and firepower. > In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into > this country has greatly decreased. This is because its > value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or > heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. > Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on > the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and > thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer > is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. > You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a > good dollar/pound deal. > What's the point here? You're arguing that the black market WORKS (which it does, of course). > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. This is the wrong way to quantify things. The smuggler would be concerned about value/cubic foot. Go to a gun show and price out a crate of good quality handguns. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people What's "local?" > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could What is a worthwhile firearm? Hell, anything that WORKS! Go get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual. See how easy it is to make a functional firearm. > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is "through the nose." Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
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From: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) Subject: $13,500 Mazda 626 DX (with Air, AM/FM) Good Deal? Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.dev.cdx.mot.com Reply-To: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) Organization: Motorola Codex Lines: 12 Hi Netters I want to know if 13500 (w/o tax) is a good deal for 1993 Mazda 626 DX How is the performance review so far on Mazda 626. Is it a good buy? Please reply to me as I don't read this group often. Thanks In advance Ravi -- Ravi Kiran Puvvala | "The purpose of education is not merely, ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com | the assimilation of facts but blow all Motorola Codex, Boston MA | the money" - Ravi Puvvala ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 21 >A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and >a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >the CS. >Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that >people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an >engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the "computer" in your >car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words >CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. >These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. >P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >Scott For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were $7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. _emt
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From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: DC-X Rollout Report Article-I.D.: topaz.STEINLY.93Apr6170313 Distribution: sci Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: buenneke@monty.rand.org's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:34:39 GMT In article <C532v3.Ftn.1@cs.cmu.edu> buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) writes: McDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X ... SSTO research remains cloudy. The SDI Organization -- which paid $60 million for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a follow-on vehicle. To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for This is a little peculiar way of putting it, SDIO's budget this year was, what, $3-4 billion? They _could_ fund all of the DC development out of one years budget - of course they do have other irons in the fire ;-) and launcher development is not their primary purpose, but the DC development could as easily be paid for by diverting that money as by diverting the comparable STS ops budget... - oh, and before the flames start. I applaud the SDIO for funding DC-X devlopment and I hope it works, and, no, launcher development is not NASAs primary goal either, IMHO they are supposed to provide the enabling technology research for others to do launcher development, and secondarily operate such launchers as they require - but that's just me. | Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night | | Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites | | steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? | | "standard disclaimer" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 |
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From: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Paul Peak) Subject: FOR SALE: 2 4MB 80ns SIMMs Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I have two 4 meg SIMMS that I am trying to sell. I had them in my LC. I would like to get $100 for each one. They are only three months old and have a lifetime warrenty. They are 80ns simms. I will also consider other reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me. Dave Internet: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu AOL: skibum7
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From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI GUP and Graphics Wkshop/Win Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I have an ATI Graph. Ultra Pro VLB w/2 megs, and have a small question about Graphics Workshop for Windows. When I exit from it it says my current driver can handle on 32768 colors when I am actually in 1024x768x65000 color mode. Is this a driver problem, a GWS error, or what? I am using the 1.5(59) driver under Win 3.1. It correctly states that I can display 16M colors when I switch to 800x600x24bit, though. Another question- Anybody know of any Viewers that support this card other than Windows viewers? Any help would be appreciated.
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From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: |> hello there |> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly |> comment on its handling . I remember a commercial for some cheap, top- heavy import cage a while back, where the driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake TV anouncers smile: "It Really goes Straight!" It fits.
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From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an > example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special "Mac-compatible" > firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable "blind writes" This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the handshake is entirely handled by the chip. --Tim Smith
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From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen) Subject: Re: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 33 tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes: >In article <im14u2c.735176900@camelot> im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes: >>What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific >>to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell >>chipset itself? >There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much >expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem >which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much >oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it >from someone else. Someone Else, could you please comment on that. I have just bought a Twincom 14.4DFi, which has a Rockwell chipset. It wasn't cheap so I would like to hear of problems I'm likely to run into. >However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the >Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. >This is because the MPU used "speed buffering" instead of having a >16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts >are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking >conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the "speed buffering" >works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial >port board. Phew, I was lucky! The Twincom internal version has a 550A and one of the Rockwell chips is marked RC144DP. But still I would like to hear more of the above mentioned firmware problems. Niels
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From: oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Georgia State University Distribution: usa Lines: 17 daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: >> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next >> year with all new models. >Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and >acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not >the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class >leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 >turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of all models. I bought one for my wife.
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From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: MicroTech Software Lines: 34 glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: >David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: >: I have a 5 1/4" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >: my 3 1/2" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot >: from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But >: if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that >: it can't boot 5 1/4" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick >: for me.) >: >: Thanks, >: Davebo >We had the same issue plague us for months on our Gateway. I finally >got tired of it so I permanently interchanged the drives. The only >reason I didn't do it in the first place was because I had several >bootable 5-1/4's and some 5-1/4 based install disks which expected >the A drive. I order all new software (and upgrades) to be 3-1/2 and >the number of "stupid" install programs that can't handle an alternate >drive are declining with time - the ones I had are now upgraded. And >as for the bootable 5-1/4's I just cut 3-1/2 replacements. >If switching the drives is not an option, you might be able to wire up >a drive switch to your computer chasis. I haven't tried it but I think >it would work as long as it is wired carefully. I did this. I use a relay (Radio Shack 4PDT) instead of a huge switch. This way, if the relay breaks, my drives will still work. It works fine, but you may still need to change the CMOS before the drive switch will work correctly for some programs. rp93 -- Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:03:03 GMT Lines: 251 Archive-name: rec-autos/part4 [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions of general consumer interest, and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc.consumers -- rpw] [last change: 8 February 1993; CT now permits radar detector usage, new tire-traction q&a -- rpw] Commonly Asked Questions Radar Questions: Q: Where are radar detectors illegal? A: In the US, currently Virgina and the District of Columbia prohibit all usage of radar detectors. New York prohibits their use in large trucks. In Canada, they are illegal in Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and PEI (Prince Edward Island). They are apparently are illegal through most, if not all, of Europe. Legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other jurisdictions; chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal. Q: Where are Radar Detector Detectors used? Do they really work? A: Usage is spreading rapidly; initially they were used only in Canada, but now they are appearing in New York and Virginia. It is unsafe to assume that they are not in use in Connecticut and D.C. They work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently available super Het radar detectors; some brands of detector radiate more strongly than others, and are thus more likely to be spotted. New radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected by the current generation of detector detectors. Note that a detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned on. Q: What is VASCAR? Is it some kind of Radar? A: VASCAR is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time-speed-distance computer. It depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target vehicle passes landmarks. No radar signals are emitted by a VASCAR system. Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be able to handle it? A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit. Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit, although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice: learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they are used (or else, don't speed.) Q: Do radar jammers work? Are they legal? A: Quick answer: No, and Not in the USA. Detailed answer: Cheap radar jammers do not work well at all. Jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the military. Jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the Federal Communications Commission of the USA. Driving technique and Vehicle Dynamics Questions: Q: What are understeer and oversteer? A: Understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a car while cornering near the `limit' (limit of adhesion, that is.) Most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to be descriptive of the situations they encounter. Simply put, they tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner (steer `less', or `understeer') or it wants to turn more in a corner (`oversteer'.) Understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that untrained drivers, inadvertantly traveling too fast, won't get into trouble. Understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle in a corner. Oversteer is designed into some more performance oriented cars; it may be induced by lifting on the throttle (Trailing throttle oversteer, or TTO). In extreme cases, lifting on the throttle may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or spinning. Some technical details: in a corner at speed, the tires on the car will develop what are called `slip angles'; the slip angle is the angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to travel. In understeer, the front wheels have a greater slip angle than the rear wheels. In oversteer, the rear wheels have a greater slip angle than the front wheels. Q: What is a rev-matched downshift? A: When downshifting, the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear than it was in the higher gear. However, during a downshift, normally you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle, so the revs drop rather than increase. In rev-matched downshift, you blip the throttle before re-engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to the new speed. This results in a much smoother and faster downshift. Q: What does heel-and-toe mean? A: Heel-and-toe is a technique used to do a rev-matched downshift while braking. This is normally challenging, because you need the right foot for both the brake and throttle. It is called heel-and-toe because you use one end of the foot on the brake, and the other on the throttle to match revs for the downshift. In many modern cars this is a misnomer; often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side on the throttle. Note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch, and just use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle, accomplishing the same thing. Q: What is double-clutch downshifting? A: While your right foot is doing the above, your left foot can do one of three things: nothing, declutch once, or declutch twice. The reason for declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the transmission to the speed of the engine. This is usually coupled with rev-matching, so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch engaged, the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission speed up. The procedure is as follows: (0) declutch (1) move gearshift lever to neutral (2) engage clutch (3) match revs (4) declutch (5) move gearshift lever to next lower gear (6) engage clutch This sounds like a lot of work, but with practice it becomes natural. The problem that double-clutching solves is normally the function of the synchronizers within the gearbox. In transmissions without synchros or with very worn synchros, double-clutching makes it much easier to shift. Basically, if you double-clutch well, you are not using the synchros at all. This is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good condition. Q: What do the numbers for acceleration from 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and slalom times in the Auto Magazines really mean? May they be compared? A: In short, 1) not as much as the magazines want you to believe, and 2) almost never. In more detail: the acceleration numbers (0-60mph and 1/4 mile times in the US) may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the same source. Testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine that comparing a Road & Track number to a Car & Driver number is quite pointless. Keep in mind, too, that the same variation applies from driver to driver on the street; the driver is a major (often *the* major) part of the equation. Skidpads vary, and even if they didn't, skidpad figures are really only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires; they change radically when tire compounds change. DO NOT make any assumptions about the comparative handling of, say, two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers. This is not to suggest that skidpads are without value, however. Skidpads are an excellent educational tool at driving schools. They are simply of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires. Slalom times are slightly more useful; they test some small parts of the automobile's transient response. However, they are also heavily influenced by the stock rubber on the car, and they do not test many corners of the car's envelope. They DO NOT tell you all you need to know before making a buying decision. For example, they don't tell you what the rear end of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off-camber. When a car has an adjustable suspension, these tests are usually done in the `sport' setting, which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving. The list of caveats could go on for page after page. Q: My buddy claims that wide tires don't make any difference, according to his freshman physics textbook, and that you can't ever accelerate or corner at more than 1.0G. Does he know what he's talking about? A: 1) in short: he hasn't got a clue. 2) in more detail: the equations for friction used in freshman physics textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth, dry and non-deformable, none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating temperature. Pavement is _never_ smooth; it is always irregular to a greater or lesser extent. Tires, which are not really dry and solid (as rubber is a substance which in its natural form is liquid, and which has only been coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic), deform to match the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over. In a tire at operating temperature, grip is actually generated by shear stresses inside the deformed rubber, and not by anything even remotely resembling friction in the freshman physics sense of the term. The colder a tire is relative to its operating temperature, the closer its behaviour will be to the traditional concept of friction; if much hotter than the its proper operating temperature, the more likely the possibility of some part of the tire actually ``reverting'' to liquid, which is mostly like to happen deep in the tread, causing characteristic blisters and chunking. (This latter, though, is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal street driving, so unless you're a competition driver or do a lot of high speed track driving, don't worry about it.) Because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction, it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all; thus dragsters accelerate at more than 1.0G and race cars corner and brake at more than 1.0G. Because simple friction does not apply, it is actually possible for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of grip. An actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques such as Finite Element Analysis, due to the complexity of the mechanism. Misc. Questions: Q: What does <name or acronym> stand for? A: Here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked about; be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names as misinformation abounds on the net. In particular, NEVER ask in rec.humor if you want a useful result. Saab: Svenska Aeroplan A. B., or The Swedish Airplane Corporation Alfa: Societa Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili, or The Lombardy Automobile Manufacturing Company Fiat: Fabbrica Italiana di Automobili Torino, or The Italian Automobile Manufacturers of Turin BMW: Bayerische Motoren Werke, or Bavarian Motor Works MG: Morris Garage Q: Does VW own Porsche? A: No. Porsche is a publicly held company, controlled by the Porsche and Piech families. Porsche has extensive business dealings with VW/Audi, which causes some confusion. Since currently Porsche is in some financial difficulty, there is a possibility that Mercedes or VW may be interested in purchasing the company in the near future, but this is only speculation at this time. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Mysterious MOSFET Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number 285-4 which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. --scott
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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) Subject: Re: Kevin Rogers Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu Rogers is the "one-batter lefty" in the bullpen. Dusty has also said he trusts Rogers to get the final out in a ballgame where Beck is unavailable, so you might see a couple of saves for Kevin. Then again, if any of the regular rotation falters, Rogers is a possible candidate to start, though this would appear less likely now that Dave Burba did well in an emergency start. Steven
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From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Car bomb in the West Bank Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 34 From Israeline 4/16 Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car Bomb Explosion Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the blast suffered light to moderate injuries. The Arab that was killed was a probably from the Mossad so it is not count as a murder. Naftaly ----- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 "Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."
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From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article <C51puA.K2u@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: > "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must > > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for > > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants > > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and > > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It > > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing > > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. > > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect > > to join. There are just so many. > > > > Dean Kaflowitz > > > > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus > > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a > > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So > > convenient that it is burdensome at times. > > Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday > cannot be substituted for the Sabbath. Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism or some other place? Dean Kaflowitz
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Keywords: Obfuscated PostScript Organization: Purdue University Lines: 60 In article <jonas-y.734802983@gouraud> jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson) writes: > Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??), > by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff > > From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu > In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a > new language called PostScript. (See "PostScript Language", by Adobe Systems > Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985). > > So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that > draws the line L and the polygon P, and then "outputs" the answer. By > "output", we mean the program executes a command called "showpage", which > actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick > examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus > the original problem. Curiously, in modern PostScript, the point in a polygon problem can be solved even more easily. To wit: %! %%Title: Point in Polygon %%Creator: Allen B (ab@cc.purdue.edu) %%For: the amusement of comp.graphics regulars %%LanguageLevel: 2 %%DocumentNeededResource: humor sense thereof %%EndComments % This program will test whether a point is inside a given polygon. % Currently it uses the even-odd rule, but that can be changed by % replacing ineofill with infill. These are Level 2 operators, % so if you've only got Level 1 you're out of luck. % % The result will be printed on the output stream. % % Caution: only accurate to device pixels! % Put a huge scale in first if you aren't sure. % Point to test % PUT X AND Y COORDINATES HERE 50 75 % Vertices of polygon in counter-clockwise order % PUT ARRAY OF PAIRS OF COORDINATES HERE [ [ 0 0 ] [ 100 0 ] [ 100 100 ] [ 67 100 ] [ 67 50 ] [ 33 50 ] [ 33 100 ] [ 0 100 ] ] dup 0 get aload pop moveto dup length 1 dup 3 1 roll sub getinterval { aload pop lineto } forall closepath ineofill { (Yes!) } { (No!) } ifelse =
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Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (Wallace Venable) Organization: WVU College of Engineering Nntp-Posting-Host: 157.182.80.85 Lines: 10 >I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0. >That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have >had to reformat their disks and start over. I used the standard installation program to put MS-DOS 6.0 on my machine with Stacker 3.0 already installed. No problems. I kept Stacker, rather than switch. I am very pleased with the memory I gained since I did not have a memory manager. I also like the multiple boot feature.
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From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 35 (Brad Hernlem writes: >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory" >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team", >you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the >Lebanese terrorists. If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. Read again your original article. You find Israeli government responsible for those dead soldiers, that's a reasonable (debatable) point, but feel satisfaction from dead bodies is NOT REASONABLE by any standards. No matter how you try to justify it. I may understand your frustration against israeli occupation in S Lebanon. But no matter what you say, I can not understand your satisfaction for dead bodies. I have a question for you. Let's assume a bosnian village, inhabited by serbs untill a few (10-20) years ago, and later taken over by bosnian muslims (the means are not very peaceful). Now, do you enjoy serbs coming and killing all (armed) bosnian muslims ? I would not enjoy, but I would not enjoy ANY dead bodies - israelis, lebanese or bosnians. Dorin
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From: hodge@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com Subject: Re: Tidying up after removing an OLE server Lines: 25 In article <C5y121.Kz3@liverpool.ac.uk>, qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) writes: > A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once > the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC. > > Unfortunately there is still a "ghost" of SPSS left: when I run > something like "Write" and go to embed an object then "SPSS Chart" > appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all > the obvious "INI" files without success. The next thing I tried > was looking for the string "SPSS Chart" in every file in the > Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or > REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel > inclined to edit it. > > I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers. > > Chris Wooff > (C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk) You can edit that file with a utility that comes with Windows 3.1 called "REGEDIT" (Registration Info Editor) -- ++++ Bob Hodge ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + "I'm going fishing." "You got worms?" "Yeah, but I'm going anyway!" + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Subject: Re: "Imaginary" Friends - Info and Experiences From: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London. NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs195.bnr.co.uk Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr2.041929.24320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes: > >Concerniong this thread... > >Has anyone ever seen "Drop Dead Fred" ?? THis movie seems to tipify the >"imaginary friend" theme rather well. I LOVED the movie, as i had an >imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories. > >Seriously, if you have a chance, see "Drop Dead Fred". It'll make ya >think. especially the end. > >Blessings! >--Kim > -- Patrick Brosnan. <patb@bnr.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. Phone : +44 81 945 2135 or +44 81 945 4000 x2135 "Oh, Flash, I love you - but we've only got 14 hours to save the universe."
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From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Subject: Apple CD300 CDROM "freebies". Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. Lines: 19 In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > ... reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, > but I can't confirm it. > > Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu I've got two CD300's... The first one i ordered Jan 15, and I received it Feb. 20. The second one I ordered Jan 20th, and I just got it April 2nd or so. Anyway, they both come with 10 misc. CDROMs... Things like a "Intro to Nautilis", a sample CD of Kodak pictures, "From Alice to Ocean" (a story of a woman who treked across Austrailia), 3 discs from apple, a games disc, an applications disc, and a "titles" disc (haven't checked most of these out yet). Also some "Cinderella" thing for kids, a disc of Mozart something-or-others, etc. etc. etc. If someone's super interested, I'll make a list of the exact titles and post them. They are all in the category of "Interesting, but probably fairly useless...". It was rumored that the earliest units shipped with SOME encyclocpedia (it may have), but neither of my drives had that. -jeff adams-
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From: tsif@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael Tsifansky) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Reply-To: tsif@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 30 In article <HM.93Apr12204254@dooley.cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: > > steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: > |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it > |> take to kill a 5 year old native child? > |> > |> A: Four > |> > |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, > |> and one writes up a false report. > |> > |> -- > >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ? Probably not--he's just singing someone else's opera. He's good, too; perhaps he should get "The Best Supporting Singer..." I can give you a Q/A account that is well documented (just go back and reread some of the articles that appeared after this "joke"): Q: How many antisemites does it take to come up with another anti-Israeli provocation on the net? A: Just one. He'll fabricate a lie, and many more will applaud I would much prefer if Mr. Steel would refrain from this kind of jokes in the future. They're not just offensive. They also have a very negative effect on the state of things between Jews and Arabs. So thanks for nothing, clown! Mike.
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From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 22 rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > Hi Netters, > > I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle > some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > > Can you please offer some recommendations? It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be fast. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
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From: d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: SE rom Nntp-Posting-Host: eufrat.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 21 In <1993Apr20.085651.1@mrl.dsto.gov.au> ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au writes: >There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older >computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been >upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal >with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult There is one reason: market size. The market size for color quickdraw for accellerated plusses and SEs (which don't go beyond 4 MB anyway) is just too small; the extra cost would belike $1,000 and with that money, you can buy a color classic instead. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- -- I don't fear death, it's dying that scares me.
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From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 15 I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. I don't think Reggie's WS game counts, else I believe he would also have had two. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 125 Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes: > Observations from a naive norwegian: Yup, you said it. I admire such honesty. ;-) > 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to > have something more macho than stamps to collect..... Fire an Anschutz .22, then come back and talk to us. You're letting ignorance and possibly fear cloud your thinking. Either that, or this is sour grapes because we beat you in the Olympic shooting events. Funny, you'd think biathalon would be a natural sport for the norse. ;-) > 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than > with a knife or a bat (as in baseball). Precisely. That makes them the best method of defense for the citizenry. Not everybody has the time to train with a gladius, you know, but for some reason those who prey on others seem to have more free time. To extend this a bit further, you need only a certain level of competence to beat another with a range weapon. Getting in their face with a weapon and winning is much more difficult, and requires more training time the average citizen just does not have. I've spent a few years practicing with a sword. I can take the common person armed with one (though self-defense isn't the reason I own one). My kid sister would have an even chance of beating me, gun vs. gun, with only a month of training. That makes firearms much better, in our eyes. > 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different > countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like > crime and violence. Excellent point. Perhaps you aren't so naive after all? > 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools > beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration. Taken into consideration in what respect? Though quite wrong, let's make it a blanket statement for weapons in general. This has been taken into consideration. We call use of them aggrivated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault with intent to kill, attempted murder, and a whole host of others, and tack on extra prison time. > We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently > it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun. > Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it > was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes. In Norway I suspect it was about the only weapon available. You conquered your land (among others) a full millenia before we were thought of, and shortly thereafter weapons weren't quite so common. I suspect that a few world wars made a difference too, since in times of emergency weapons tend to be turned in or donated to needy causes. I'm curious, though, were the weapons used in the crimes bought shortly before the crime, or were they aquired by other means? Any requirements other than just registering the shotgun? > And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell..... > There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public, > and why should it be allowed ?? "Come on down to honest Erik's Used Swords! Here's a slightly-used short sword, *THE* battlefield supremacy weapon of the eleventh century! Only $39.95 with trade-in. Easy financing!" Sorry, I couldn't resist. You guys still slicing each other with long knives, or is this really not a problem? > What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that > you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence > than on nudity and sex. > Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder... I'm all for that. What gets me is that scandanavians (and yes, I'm only a couple generations off the longship) used to be some of the most feared warriors on the planet a mere millenia ago, yet now seem to spend their time sitting in spas and doing a bit of topless sunbathing. Maybe you had a bit more time, and a more homogeneous culture, to become civilized with? > Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human > right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun > in your car?? Yes. We're too damned violent, partially I believe because we are not a homogeneous culture and don't identify ourselves as "Americans" first and foremost. I'm rather proud of my Norwegian and Danish heritage, whereas I suspect you couldn't care less about that 2% Welsh blood in your veins thanks to a raid in Ireland back in 1055? The time scale and the homogeneous culture are important. Equally important is a basic philosophical difference in personal versus collective good. In America, the individual is more important than the masses. Personal liberties are prized above all. This is, sadly, changing of late, but I trust you notice how this call for freedom makes laws that restrict individuals for little collective benefit hateful to Americans. I'd hazard a guess that, were America less interested in freedom and personal liberty and more interested in collective good we never would have sent our armed forces anywhere. One poor effect of this culture we have is that we're looking out for ourselves and it is quite easy to identify with only a small segment of the population. My grandmother tells of being discriminated against back in Denmark because she spoke "low Dane," whereas others spoke "high Dane." It was shortly after World War II, as I remember, that "low Dane" was abolished so there was one common dialect. We cannot fathom such a minor thing being a problem, because we have even more obvious means of identifying an "outsider." > The bad english is not my fault, it's probably > the keyboard-software or the quality of the > subtext on tv...... Take heart, yours is better than 90% of what gets posted by native speakers. Any helpful hints for our educational system? People have this annoying tendency to drop out of school and sell drugs over here. [ ;-) And what kind of name is Thomas Parsli? Here, you can use my great grandfather's before he changed it: Christian Aarskog. That's a great one for getting mispronounced. I think that's why he changed it. I don't think he needs it anymore ;-) ] < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain) Subject: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL) Keywords: JPL Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept. Lines: 23 In article <1raee7$b8s@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> In answer >>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed >>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, "it's only >>a concept." > >SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? I am puzzled by the term "concept." Drag free may already have been flown. It was the idea behind putting up a spacecraft that would more accurately respond to motions from the Earth's gravity field and ignore drag. It was proposed many years ago and involved a ball floating between sensors whose job it was to signal to little adjustment jets to keep the ball away from them. The ball itself would then be in a drag free condition and respond only to gravity anisotropies, whereas the spacecraft itself would be continuously adjusting its position to compensate for drag. Joseph Cain cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu cain@fsu.bitnet scri::cain (904) 644-4014 FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Tue, Apr 6th, 1993 Keywords: mlb, 04.06 Article-I.D.: agate.1ps77v$5dr Distribution: world Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 6th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Atlanta Braves 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Cincinnati Reds 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 San Diego Padres 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 San Francisco Giants 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Colorado Rockies 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 Houston Astros 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Los Angeles Dodgers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 NATIONAL EAST Florida Marlins 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 New York Mets 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Philadelphia Phillies 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Pittsburgh Pirates 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 St. Louis Cardinals 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago Cubs 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Montreal Expos 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Oakland Athletics 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Texas Rangers 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 California Angels 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago White Sox 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Minnesota Twins 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Seattle Mariners 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Kansas City Royals 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 New York Yankees 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Milwaukee Brewers 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Toronto Blue Jays 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Baltimore Orioles 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Cleveland Indians 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Detroit Tigers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 YESTERDAY'S SCORES NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Montreal 1 New York 9 Cincinnati 2 Cleveland 1 Atlanta 1 Texas 7 Chicago 0 Baltimore 4 Los Angeles 3 Boston 3 Florida 6 Kansas City 1 Philadelphia 3 Detroit 4 Houston 1 Oakland 9 Colorado 0 California IDLE New York 3 Chicago IDLE Pittsburgh IDLE Milwaukee IDLE St. Louis IDLE Minnesota IDLE San Diego IDLE Seattle IDLE San FranciscoIDLE Toronto IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: urathi@net4.ICS.UCI.EDU (Unmesh Rathi) Subject: Motif++ and Interviews Lines: 12 Hi, I am in the process of making the decision whether I should write c++ wrappers for motif myself or use Motif++ or Interviews. Though I have downloaded the tar files, I fail to see any documentation. I have two questions: 1) If you have used these or similar c++sy toolkits what has been your experience? 2) Where do I find reference books /documentation for them? any and all input will be greatly appreciated. /unmesh
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From: ring@poseidon (Sue Rankin) Subject: Camden Yards Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: poseidon.athena.com I am fortunate enough to have tickets for an Orioles-Red Sox game in Baltimore on Saturday, July 31st. I haven't been to the new park, and I was wondering if anyone out there can give me pointers or good tips or anything helpful about the place so that I can enjoy every moment spent there. For instance, what time do the gates open? Do we see the Orioles take BP? When will the Red Sox take BP? Anything you can tell me would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Please respond to my e-mail address. I know it's still three-and-a-half months away, but I'm psyched! Sue
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From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) Subject: Re: Societally acceptable behavior Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de In article <C5r9At.Asv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: #In <1qvabj$g1j@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) #writes: # #>In article <C5qGM3.DL8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike #Cobb) writes: # #Am I making a wrong assumption for the basis of morals? Where do they come #from? The question came from the idea that I heard that morals come from #whatever is societally mandated. It's only one aspect of morality. Societal morality is necessarily very crude and broad-brush stuff which attempts to deal with what is necessary to keep that society going - and often it's a little over-enthusiastic about doing so. Individual morality is a different thing, it often includes societal mores (or society is in trouble), but is stronger. For example, some people are vegetarian, though eating meat may be perfectly legal. # #>#Merely a question for the basis of morality #># #>#Moral/Ethical behavior = _Societally_ _acceptable_ _behavior_. #># #>#1)Who is society # #>Depends on the society. # #Doesn't help. Is the point irrelevant? No. Often the answer is "we are". But if society is those who make the rules, that's a different question. If society is who should make the rules, that's yet another. I don't claim to have the answers, either, but I don't think we do it very well in Ireland, and I like some things about the US system, at least in principle. # #>#2)How do "they" define what is acceptable? # #>Depends. #On.... Again, this comes from a certain question (see above). Well, ideally they don't, but if they must they should do it by consensus, IMO. # #>#3)How do we keep from a "whatever is legal is what is "moral" "position? # #>By adopting a default position that people's moral decisions #>are none of society's business, # #So how can we put people in jail? How can we condemn other societies? Because sometimes that's necessary. The hard trick is to recognise when it is, and equally importantly, when it isn't. # and only interfering when it's truly #>necessary. # #Why would it be necessary? What right do we have to interfere? IMO, it isn't often that interference (i.e. jail, and force of various kinds and degrees) is both necessary and effective. Where you derive the right to interfere is a difficult question - it's a sort of liar's paradox: "force is necessary for freedom". One possible justification is that people who wish to take away freedom shouldn't object if their own freedom is taken away - the paradox doesn't arise if we don't actively wish to take way anyone's freedom. # # The introduction of permissible interference causes the problem #>that it can be either too much or too little - but most people seem #>to agree that some level of interference is necessary. # #They see the need for a "justice" system. How can we even define that term? Only by consensus, I guess. # Thus you #>get a situation where "The law often allows what honour forbids", which I've #>come to believe is as it should be. # #I admit I don't understand that statement. What I mean is that, while thus-and-such may be legal, thus-and-such may also be seen as immoral. The law lets you do it, but you don't let yourself do it. Eating meat, for example. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
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From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 35 In rec.autos, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: xIn article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) x writes: x>Hello, x> x> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine x>compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind x>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! x> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable x>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too x>tight, is it safe without oil leak? x xAssuming you don't have a Russian car with opposite threads, then xyou turn counterclockwise. I would get some professional xhelp here, you may not have located the draing plug and xactually be trying to loosen something else. x xCraig x> x> x>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson x> This reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his car. He crawled under, removed a bolt, drained the fluid, replaced the bolt, then carefully poured in 5 quarts of oil. Didn't bother to check the dip stick, just drove off. Didn't get too far till me found out that he'd drained the 4-speed trans and dumped an extra 5 quarts into the engine.:( MORAL: As Craig said don't be ashamed to get some *in person* help the first time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Bill 'Blame America First' Clinton Strikes Again. Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 82 In article <12741@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes: > >This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from > >"simple metalworking" was easy, then Drug dealers would make their own > >wouldn't they???.. They do. According the the Los Angeles Police Department, illegal manufacture is one the three primary sources of machine guns and submachine guns used in crimes (sumggling and theft from the police and military being the other two.) Washington D.C. police have stated that 40% (If I'm remembering the figure correctly) of the guns they conficate were illegally built. > >...why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that > >somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an > >exorbitant markup???... It takes about 6 hours and a few tools to make one (at least one of reasonable quality). Unless the drug dealer enjoyes messing around on a lathe (say, as a hobby), he's going to have to pay someone anyway. Materials plus six hours of a machinist's time for something legal would run about $100. The blackmarket prices for guns are usually in the $50 to $200 range (at least those few I've seen cited in newspaper articles were...) > >...The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless > >of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the > >the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a > >killer intent on buying a weapon.... Washington D.C. has a total ban on handguns and prohibits assembled rifles within city limits. It's homicide rate is almost ten times the national average. It is also illegal for a D.C. resident to drive to the Virginia or Maryland suburbs and buy a gun (dealers are required by federal law to check IDs and make sure the buyer isn't from another state) so the ban can not be easily side-stepped. > >To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an > >analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major > >can write a "wordprocessor" yet we(comp sci majors) would willingly pay 3 > >to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we > >just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly > >inconvinient!!!.. Sure. But it you couldn't buy one, you would write your own (in fact, people _did_ write their own 15 years ago...) More likely, you would find a friend who was a particularly good programer and get him give you a copy of his. Software is a _very_ bad example for your case: How many people do you know with illegal copies of $400 word processors? If people want something, and it isn't available (or affordable) legally, they will usually get it illegally. > >Same with guns... Quite. > >secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the > >"home made gun" ??? 13-3-2. The formula has been around for half a million years. Or are you going to restrict sales of sulpher, charcoal and saltpeter? That's alot cruder than modern smokless powder, but it works very well. The only real problems are a ~25% reduction in energy (so a .357 magnum would "only" be as deadly as a 9mm) and it makes alot more smoke... Of course, a smart black marketeer could just make the gun in 9mm and steal the ammunition from the police (the police are often corruptable, and things are known to disappear from police evidence rooms and armories and reappear on the streets...) > > If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would > >be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are > >banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm) ). Perhaps you weren't watching the news two years ago, but the Serbs also tried to invade Slovinia. They were driven out after a few weeks by partisans armed with home-made _anti-tank_ weapons. The Afghan rebels frequently made their own rifles. Frank Crary CU Boulder
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From: roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: AD conversion Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 36 b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: > In article <1993Apr13.181720.13214@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk > wrote: > > > > I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data > > from insect sensory organs. > > > > (stuff deleted) > > > > Another alternative is the use of the sound input port. > Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit > converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps > AC-coupled as well? It clearly depends on the type of questions you are asking but in many cases it will do fine. The critical information from the neuron is in the firing frequency (maximum about 100 action potentials per seconds), and not in the amplitude of the signal or in details of the signal shape. So the resolution of about 0.4 % you get with an 8 bit convertor is more then sufficient. AC coupling does not have to be a problem either, since in many cases you are not interested in the DC level. My pre amplifier is AC coupled also. The critical point is the lowest frequency that will pass. If the cutoff point is to high, the action potentials will be slightly distorted. But even that normally does not matter since it is the occurrence of the spike that is important. However, I do want to know what exactly I can expect before I start battling with the toolbox to get it going. As yet I have no clue were to start looking for the technical specifications. Peter. roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk
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From: ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qs4fjINN74f Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: > >Hi there, > >Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for >C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 >has the message "fpu: optional". I know from what we've discussed in this >newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 >configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their >price list? >I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting >confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. >Why say "optional" if it's built in? >Please, anybody help me understand this game. > >Regards, > >Thian. > If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My understanding is that the "optional fpu" refers to your option of purchasing the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU. Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system (a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor. Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU - the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo). Hope that helps. Kevin Lohman University Book Store, University of Washington Buyer for the UW Apple Computers for Education Program
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From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: OS/2 etc. for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 20 These packages all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * OS/2 2.0, can run Windows, DOS, and OS/2 programs, superior stability compared to Windows, list $169, sale $60. * NORTON COMMANDER FOR OS/2, provides better file management than OS/2 does alone, graphical tree and file list, drag and drop, launch apps from customizable menu, list $149, sale $60. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
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From: djc47305@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc ) Subject: re: Evil smile on my face as Cubs Beat Braves Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29 Boy, hats off to any Cubs fan who can actually muster up the courage to put down Braves fans. I mean, all the Braves have done is gone to two consecutive world series. Also, being the Cubs fan that I am, I really have to hand it to all the Braves fans out there that are capable of driving me crazy with that infernal cheer that they have. However, I do have to protest anyone saying that all Cubs fans are stupid. The way I see it, either I'm just too stupid to acknowledge it, or that observation was just plain wrong. You might have us confused with Bear fans. ;) Anyway, about a two weeks ago just about everyone was saying that the Cubs would finish up last in their division. (Even behind Florida?!? Sheesh!) These same people were predicting the Braves to clean up in their respective division. Well, we're ten games into the season and these people are a little less vocal now. I wonder why. Well, the way I see it, the East is up for grabs, and whoever wants it most is going to take it, with the exception of Florida. Every team seems to have good batting and pitching, with Philly presently leading the pack. But, I just have to point out, if the Cubs do take the East, they'll do it without the benefit of a competent manager. However, and it pains me to say it, the pennant is going to go to the West. Just had to get that off my chest. Doc bem benefit of a compee
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From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 42 A "new Christian" wrote that he was new to the faith and learning about it "by reading the Bible, of course". I am not at all sure this is the best path to follow. While the Bible is, for Christians, the word of God, the revelation of God is Jesus Christ and the chief legacy of this revalation is the Church. I am not recommending any one denommination, but I do recommend finding a comfortable christian congregation in which to develop your faith, rather than just reading the Bible. This does not mean that the Bible should not be read, although I would stick to the Gospels, epistles, and Psalms and avoid the Book of Revelation altogether [until you are with friends you are comfortable with]. I am sure that mistakenly fervent projects to read the entire Bible have frequently bogged down with a remarkable lack of fervour somewhere in the middle of Leviticus, or for the really sturdy, somewhere in Chronicles. The point is that the Bible is their to illustrate the Faith of Christians, but does not provide the totality of that faith. Vital beliefs of virtually all Christians are simply not mentioned - the Trinity, the duality of natures in Christ, types of Church organization. All these beliefs and practices have developed from the lived experience of the Christian people, an experience lived one hopes in the Spirit. As such the Bible, I think, is better studies in the context of a congregation, and the context of other reading. Following up on a suggestion of an old confessor of mine, I would even suggest that a good novel is a good way to reflect on the christian life. [Most novels of any profundity are actually discussing the nature of good and evil in the human heart]. My own induction into the christian faith was brought about [after grace] through reading Graham Greene: _The Power and the Glory_ and the poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins. I would also recommend Graham Greene's _Monsignor Quixote_ and any novel by Iris Murdoch. The last is not even a Christian, but such is her insistence on the need for the good life, that, frankly, I often am more uplifted and God directed after reading her than after reading many parts of the Bible. And that after all is what being a Christian is all about: letting your soul and your life be, in some way, directed towards the infinite, represented to us by the person of Jesus Christ. Paul Halsall Halsall@murray.fordham.edu
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From: asyvan@solace.hsh.se (Jens Ejvinson) Subject: Re: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F Keywords: SCSI Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden Lines: 44 In <1993Apr6.095127.12261@odin.diku.dk> phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut) writes: >Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer >configuration is : >486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz) >16MB Ram >ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI >UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller >When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer >about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought >that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. >Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host >adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk >performance in that system, do I need that ? >A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and >a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ? >Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ? 1. Dont rely on benchmarks. They often show incorrect due to different TSR programs. 2. SCSI often needs a driver to get the speed from the card. 3. Make sure the card is operating in synchronus mode which is 2x faster. 4. You can disable disconnect and get some kB/s but just to loose the mouse or other int`s when diskaccesing. (I get 2.3MB/s with DX50 LB and SCSI LB and Maxtor LXT340SY - Coretest) (I get 1.3MB/s - Sysinfo) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jens Ejvinson ------------------------------ Nackstavagen 32C VII Internet: Asyvan@Solace.hsh.se S-853 52 Sundsvall ------------------------------ SWEDEN Tel: +46-(0)60-117775 - ACT Sweden - Fax: Nope! Advanced Computer Technology BBS: Not yet... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) Subject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 38 Reply-To: karplus@ce.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) NNTP-Posting-Host: ararat.ucsc.edu I've used on-chip capacitors to reduce ground-bounce noise on a small systolic array chip that had 50pF loads on the clock lines. (Design was in 2-micron n-well cmos, using the MOSIS scalable design rules.) Here are some thoughts on the bypass capacitors: 1) They don't help much with simultaneous output switching--there is still a large inductance between the bypass capacitor and the load capacitor (on both the signal line and the ground return), so you still get ground and power line bounce. 2) They do help a lot with on-chip loads, as I had with the high load on the clock lines. 3) The transients you are trying to suppress are really high frequency, so forget about large areas of poly-thin-oxide-diff capacitors, since the RC time constant is too large. What I did is to make a metal2, metal, poly, diff sandwich, but put a lot of holes in the poly layer, allowing frequent diff-metal1 contacts. I forget exactly how wide the poly lines were. If I were doing this design again, I'd probably omit the diff altogether, and use a solid poly sheet instead, using just m2, m1, and poly (and substrate, but that has such a high resistance it can be ignored at these speeds). 4) You are probably better off trying to tune your circuit to run with slightly slower edges and lower voltage swings (especially for output signalling), than spending chip area on capacitors. I had spare space on the die since the circuit was too big for a MOSIS tiny chip, and the next size up was twice as big as I needed. Kevin Karplus -- Kevin Karplus karplus@ce.ucsc.edu Due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is being turned off.
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From: jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) Subject: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: ceti.cs.unc.edu A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's disease. But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with Crohn's disease ? (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). Thanks in advance, John Eyles jge@cs.unc.edu
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From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 54 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: arno.engin.umich.edu In article <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes: >>A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and >>a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >>Scott > >For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering >degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually >use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers >upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were >$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most >interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. > >_emt Well here is my $0.02 worth. Advice from a grad student. I agree with the gentlemen who wrote the comment before me. The important thing is pick what ever interest you the most and learn as much as possible about it. In my five years of education in this field, though brief compare to alot of people, I had to think about this kind of question a lot. Did I make the right decision in going into Electrical Engineering as opposed to Computer engineering or CS? The more I go thru school, the more I believe that this kind of question is irrelevant. I have come to believe that choosing CS because one does not like hardware or choosing hardware because one does not like to program is really doing an injustice of building and computer and making it useful for something. Everything is interwoven and inseparable. CS, CE, and EE are all a part of a really great discipline and do depend on each other. My advice is don't limit yourself, but make a decision based on which major will give you the best opportunities to learn. That of course depends on the curriculum at your persective school. I would choose a major that allows me to explore as much as possible. Beside, I don't know why the school would make a student choose a major before her/his sophamore year. Hey you may be so interested in this field that you decided to learn all about the making of computers in which case, you suffer a little more and go to grad school. About the money. Don't look at the averages, if you are good, you are going to earn more money than anyone else. If you are a superstar programmer, you will earn millions. Like wise if you are a hotshot computer designers. - Chung Yang
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From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 33 > I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to > be carcinogenic that "it would not be legal in the U.S.". I think that > naturally occuring substances (excluding "controlled" substances) are > pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food, food additives > or other "consumption". It's only when the chemists concoct (sp?) an > ingredient that it falls under FDA regulations. Otherwise, if they > really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything. > How in the world do you suppose it's legal to "consume" tobacco products > (which probably SHOULD be banned)? No, there is something called the "Delany Amendment" which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the 1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are banned. This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates that enforcement is still in effect. An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as "gumbo file'". This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats.
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From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 43 prz@sage.cgd.ucar.edu (Philip Zimmermann) writes: Philip, I think your ideas are well taken and constructive. Thanks for articulating them in this forum. >2) Work the Press. Talk with your local newspaper's science and >technology reporter. Write to your favorite trade rags. Better yet, >write some articles yourself for your favorite magazines or >newspapers. Explain why the Clipper chip initiative is a bad idea. >Remember to tailor it to your audience. The general public may be >slow to grasp why it's a bad idea, since it seems so technical and >arcane and innocent sounding. Try not to come across as a flaming >libertarian paranoid extremist, even if you are one. As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. Any suggestions? Perhaps somebody could post a list of these? >5) Mobilize opposition in industry. Companies that will presumably >develop products that will incorporate the Clipper chip should be >lobbied against it, from within and from without. If you work for a >telecommunications equipment vendor, first enlist the aid of your >coworkers and fellow engineers against this initiative, and then >present your company's management with a united front of engineering >talent against this initiative. Write persuasive memos to your >management, with your name and your colleagues' names on it. Hold >meetings on it. One way to do this might be to suggest that these companies should be implementing their own schemes, not being limited to the govt's scheme. I find that most of my reasons for opposition to the CLipper scheme are algoritm insecurity and mistrust of the govt/NSA. These are hard to sell in letters to the editor and to nontechnical people. Any hints or advice. Maybe a small FAQ-type thing "Why should I Hate Clipper" would be a good idea. -- <><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> < Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > < -- Leo Tolstoy > <><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><>
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 38 In article <1qih53$9ho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: > My friend has a nice Alpine car stereo, and it only has 2 channels, > but one of them does not work. It does not put out any current or voltage > at all, is that channel therefore blown? I then shut the radio off and > ran continuity into the two speaker ouputs of the channel, and it charged > and discharged so I know the wires just aint bad.... This probably only tells you that the DC blocking capacitor that's in series between the one-chip, single-ended audio amp and the speaker terminal is there. > any Ideas? Open it up and look for the power amp "ICs". They'll be fairly obvious. Replace the one connected to the dead output. > also, > how would I locate where the signal of the radio/tape unit is BEFORE it > gets amplified, because then couldn't I hook up RCA outputs to that signal > so then he could just use a little amplifier? Well, one thing you should do is poke around the terminals of the power amp chips. Use a probe with a 10M resistor (like a scope probe) connected to the input of a small audio amp w/speaker. If you find line-level input to both chips, one of the chips is bad and can probably replaced pretty easily. If you want to pick off a near-line-level signal, suitable for feeding to an outboard amp, the outer legs of the volume control pot will often be good enough. This is *before* the volume control (and usually before the tone and balance controls too). If you take off from the center and ground legs of the volume pot, this will be after the volume control (but again, probably before the other controls). If the unit is a modern type with an electronic volume control chip, you should probably forget the whole thing. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 59 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I >>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. >A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 >million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets >close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the "figure includes a hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you >get more performance for the money. Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} synchronous range is indeed 0-5MB/s asynchronous range is slower at 0-3MB/s. SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 so it DOES exist. Some PCs use this set up too. SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {for those who want SCSI-2 but don't want to pay for the 16-bit or 32-bit hardware or mess with the SCSI-2 software controllers. Usable by SCSI-1 devices with close to 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds} SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. Again synchronous and asynchronous modes with asynchronous much slower {Range 0-5MB/s} >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) One problem is the inconsitant use of the term 'SCSI' in articles and by people. Its PROPER meaning is "The set of SCSI interfaces composed of SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2" Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: (My comments in {}) PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI, {This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..." {this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} "Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the speed of IDE..." or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} "Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..." NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. SCSI-1 drivers are somewhat reasonable while 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 drivers are VERY expansive {8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 drivers with little speed degridation(the Mac Quadra does EXACTLY this.)} If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
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From: se92psh@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20 joachim lous (joachim@kih.no) wrote: : ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: : > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? Yep, here's a theory that I once heard bandied around. Rather than thinking of the number think of the sound. For Tea Two. A sort of anagram on Tea For Two, Two for Tea, For Tea Two. :-) Peter -- *********************************** * Peter Hauke @ Brunel University * *---------------------------------* * se92psh@brunel.ac.uk * ***********************************
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From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) Subject: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Thanks, Ed -- Ed Bolson University of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535 bolson@u.washington.edu (preferred) bolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must)
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035544.16865 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com> mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes: >My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced >(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years >about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it >before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may >actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. > Grass Roots Motorsport [3/93] has a long article about MG/B's this month. As far as collectivity/speculation is concerned they think it is a waste of time, especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least desirable, a 1962 original model the most. The reasons for its low value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good car. Craig >Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are >still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the >market? >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Mike Brookbank, |MKS| 35 King St. North mike@mks.com >Director, InterOpen Sales, |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario (519)884-2251 >Mortice Kern Systems Inc. |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9 fax (519)884-8861
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From: ent811l@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Christopher Kuperman) Subject: Re: Do I need intelligent serial I/O?? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 31 Bill writes: : : No, buy the serial port and modem. Each can be used for other things, : you can use the modem with your next computer (might not be a PC) or : upgrade the modem without changing the box. I hear that ISDN is big in : Europe, you might be able to get one of those beautiful ISDN modems for : less than the pice of a car someday (64k bidirectional). : : -- : bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345 : Unfortunately the curent United States standard on ISDN is 54Kbit.. :( but i suppose whats 10Kbit.. C.Kup. _____________________________________________________________________________ [__From_________________________________][ aka: Christopher Kuperman ] [_______________________________________][ The holistic systems consultant ] [____@@@@@@____________________@@_______][------------------------------------] [_______@@____@@@@@___@@_@@@___@@__@@___][ email: zork@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ] [______@@____@@___@@__@@@___@__@@@@_____][------------------------------------] [_____@@_____@@___@@__@@_______@@_@@____][ Giv a man a fish & he'll eat for a ] [____@@@@@@@__@@@@@___@@_______@@__@@___][ day, teach him how to fish & he'll ] [_______________________________________][_eat for ever.______________________]
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From: tron@fafnir.la.locus.com (Michael Trofimoff) Subject: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Hi All, Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? Thanks, -=< tron >=- e-mail: tron@locus.com *Vidi, vici, veni*
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Entire Muslim population was subjected to genocide by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 76 In article <48090@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes: > Azeri President Abulfaz Elchibey said Azerbaijan had recovered >the bodies of some 500 "terrorists including blacks, Mongols and >fighters recently brought to (the Armenian capital) Yerevan from Lebanon." You can dream whatever you wish. We have demands from the Armenians. With the Government of x-Soviet Armenia, we would sit down, go over all our outstanding issues, whether it's land or reparations or recognition, whatever it is. We'd like to sit down and ask for it. By all means, lands and properties were taken away from us and they should be returned to the rightful owners, the Turkish and Kurdish people, who were there 3,000 years, long before the Armenians ever showed up in that area. Entire population of the region was subjected to genocide beyond belief; genocide which was planned to exterminate the whole Turkish people of the region to the last man, woman and child. Armenians tortured and massacred millions of defenseless civilians. To assemble innocent civilians in the mosques and burn them in the buildings was one of their methods. Even today the traveler in that region is seldom free from the evidence of these Armenian crimes. If you have the stomach, I would strongly recommend the following references on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims. Many more of them are also available in the 'Erzurum and Van Turkish Genocide Museums.' 1. Neside Kerem Demir, "Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi," Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. 2. Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, "Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi," Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. But more than that. A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan: [Photo by Associated Press]: "At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family members and friends grieved during the burial of victims killed in the fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh. Chingiz Iskandarov, right, hugged the coffin containing the remains of his brother, one of the victims. A copy of Koran lay atop the coffin." The New York Times, 3/6/92 Final Embrace : [Photo by Associated Press]: "Chingiz Iskenderov, right, weeps over coffin holding the remains of his brother as other relatives grieve at an Azarbaijani cemetery yesterday amid burial of victims killed in fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh." The Washington Post, 3/6/92 Nagorno-Karabagh Victims Buried in Azerbaijani Town : "Refugees Claim Hundreds died in Armenian Attack...Of seven bodies seen here today, two were children and three were women, one shot through the chest at what appeared to be close range. Another 120 refugees being treated at Agdam's hospital include many with multiple stab wounds." Thomas Goltz The Washington Post, 2/28/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: gnohmon@ssiny.UUCP (Ralph Betza) Subject: dynamic SqueezeTitle configuration in *twm Keywords: TWM, twm, vtwm, tvtwm, ctwm Organization: Systems Strategies, Inc., NY, NY Lines: 123 I consider TWM-style Squeezed Titles indispensable in a window manager. I like to have two tall xterm windows visible at the same time, with no overlap; and since two windows aren't enough, I have other xterm windows underneath them, with exactly the same positioning. In case you're not familiar with Squeezed Titles, here's a crude picture: ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== | | +---------+ +---------+ +=========+ | + title A + + title B + + title C + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ | + this is the + + window B hides window C, but + | + body of the + + you can still see C's title + | + window, window A + + which is squeezed right. + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ | ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== Squeezed titles allow me to have about 5 such windows in each stack, with easy access; and 3 per stack is usually more than I really need, since I also insist on having a virtual WM. The only problem is that the title location is static, that is, it is configured in .twmrc, and in order to change it you have to edit that file and restart the window manager. Doing so is cumbersome and time-consuming. Therefore, I have implemented f.squeeze{ left, center, right } functions in my own copy of vtwm; the idea being that with one click of a button, you can change this: +---------+ + title A + +------------------------+ + this is the + + body of the + + window, window A + +------------------------+ to this: +---------+ + title A + +------------------------+ + this is the + + body of the + + window, window A + +------------------------+ =============== Okay. So far, so good. Now, how the heck do I get them to put this into the next "official" twm, and the next tvtwm, and the next vtwm, and the next ctwm? And the next xyztwm that I never heard of? One way would be to post, in comp.windows.x, a description of this enhancement, together with an explanation of why I think it is a Very Good Thing, and hope that someone reads it. :-) In case it isn't already clear why I think it's a Very Good Thing, look back up at Figure 1, and picture window A moved over on top of windows B and C; now window A's title hides Window B's title; but when you hit f.squeezecenter, the result is: +=========+ +---------+ +=========+ + title B + + title A + + title C + +-------------------------------------+ + this is the body of the window, + + window A, which is on top. + +-------------------------------------+ =================== The rest of this posting explains how to implement it, based on my X11R4 copy of vtvwm.shar; it's just a sketch because posting the full diffs would be too long. The key to this enhancement is to add the following lines in the ExecuteFunction() routine in menus.c: #ifdef SHAPE case F_SQUEEZELEFT: { static SqueezeInfo left_squeeze = { J_LEFT, 0, 0 }; if (DeferExecution (context, func, Scr->SelectCursor)) return TRUE; tmp_win->squeeze_info = &left_squeeze; SetFrameShape( tmp_win ); break; } .... and similarly for squeezeright ( J_RIGHT ) and squeezecenter ( J_CENTER ) ... #endif ( Of course, you also have to define F_SQUEEZELEFT in parse.h and add { "f.squeezeleft", FKEYWORD, F_SQUEEZELEFT }, ... and so forth ... to parse.c In order to use these functions, add something like the following to your .twmrc file: Button2 = m | s : w|v|d|r|i|t|door : f.squeezecenter ================= About a year ago, I posted this, but our news was broken and I *think* it didn't get out. Since then, "blast" has appeared in comp.sources.x, Volume 19, Issue 41; you could use blast to achieve a similar effect, by chiseling away at an mwm-style wide title. Better to have a twm-style window manager, I think. -- Ralph Betza (FM), uunet!ssiny!gnohmon gnohmon@ssiny.com "The question of whether a computer can swim is more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can think" - Lenny Dykstra
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From: twain@carson.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qvq10INNlij Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr19.204855.10818@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) writes: >As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous >question "WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?" I must assume >that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. I don't mean to be disrespectful to your concerns, but it seems to me that you're getting all wound up in a non-issue. As many knowledgeable people have pointed out, msg is a naturally occurring substance in a lot, if not most, foods. When food manufacturers add it to a preparation, they do so because it's a known flavor enhancer. Your wife's theory, that MSG is added to food to stimulate appetite, may well be true. But I don't believe it's ALWAYS the reason it's added. People are (largely, for the most part) in charge of their own appetites. >children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet >food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other >brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some >sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: >Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet >food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in >pet food? > You don't know much about cats, do you? Cats will Take Advantage of You. Resign yourself: you will never understand a cat. Their tastes are whimsical. I also suspect, though it's been a while since I've checked ingredients on commercial cat food, that there are much more stringent requirements on pet food additives than human. See, the FDA has this stupid idea that human beings have the intelligence to look out after their own interests. Barbara, wondering how her cat would take care of *her*
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From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward! <1993Apr4.104122.11197@colorado.edu> <1993Apr4.105514.11664@colorado.edu> <5APR199313494915@oregon.uoregon.edu> Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu's message of 05 Apr 1993 12:49:00 PST In article <5APR199313494915@oregon.uoregon.edu> dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: In article <1993Apr4.105514.11664@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... > No, the definition of "resident" is very specific. It is the >same thing as "alien". Look it up. Remember that the common usage of >the words ARE NOT always their legal meaning. This I gotta see some authority for. from Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Ed., page 1473: RESIDENCE. A factual place of abode. Living in a particular locality. Reese v. Reese, 179 Misc. 665, 40 N.Y.S.2d 468, 472; Zimmerman, 175 Or. 585, 155 P.2d 293, 295. It requires only bodily presence as an inhabitant of a place. In re Campbell's Guardianship, 216 Minn. 113, 11 N.W.2d 786, 789. As ``domicile'' and ``residence'' are usually in the same place, they are frequently used as if they had the same meaning, but they are not identical terms, for a person may have two places of residence, as in the city and country, but only one domicile. Residence means living in a particular locality, but domicile means living in that locality with intent to make it a fixed and permanent home. Residence simply requires bodily presence as an inhabitant in a given place, while domicile requires bodily presence in that place and also an intention to make it one's domicile. In re Riley's Will, 266 N.Y.S. 209, 148 Misc. 588. ``Residence'' demands less intimate local ties than ``domicile,'' but ``domicile'' allows absence for indefinite period if intent to return remains. Immigration Act 1917, sec. 3, 8 U.S.C.A. sec. 136 (e, p). Transatlantica Italiana v. Elting, C.C.A.N.Y., 74 F.2d 732, 733. But see, Ward v. Ward, 115, W.Va 429, 176 S.E. 708, 709; Southwestern Greyhound Lines v. Craig, 182 Okl. 610, 80 P 2d 221, 224; holding that residence and domicile are synonymous terms. ``Residence'' has a meaning dependent on context and purpose of statute. In re Jones, 341 Pa. 329, 19 A.2d 280, 282. Words ``residence'' and ``domicile'' may have an identical or variable meaning depending on subject-matter and context of statute. Kemp v. Kemp, 16 N.Y.S.2d 26, 34, 172 Misc. 738. Legal residence. See Legal. RESIDENT. One who has his residence in a place. See Residence. Also a tenant, who was obliged to reside on his lord's land, and not to depart from the same; called, also, ``homme levant et couchant,'' and in Normandy, ``resseant du fief.'' -- Ronald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu Senior Software Engineer Phone: +1 916 899 2100 OPTX International "The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law"
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From: ajpat@IASTATE.EDU (Amy J Patterson) Subject: Twins Games :) Reply-To: ajpat@IASTATE.EDU (Amy J Patterson) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 4 Does anyone know if the Twins games are broadcast in good ole Ames Iowa?????????????? Thanks all.
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From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 65 In article <Apr.21.03.26.15.1993.1349@geneva.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on >the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to >the hermeneia commentary on Acts). ... In article <Apr.23.02.56.43.1993.3174@geneva.rutgers.edu>, ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes: > Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was > valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as > truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've > mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally > that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in > the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the > absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken, > then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect. > John, The problem here is that you have taken one peice of my response, without bothering to connect it with the other parts. I have repeatedly noted that one needs to take the problematic historcity of acts and then examine the work of John Dominic Crossan and Burton Mack. Once you have taken the time to examine recent developments in biblical scholarship, I think you will grasp more clearly what I am saying. > [I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than > this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't > be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs. > Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered > for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether > those who witnessed it did. > > I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there > can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism. > > --clh] Certainly this is an issue as I think the situation in Waco shows most clearly. If all that is required is that people are willing to die for a belief for it to be true, then surely David Koresh is the son of God. No, the spurrious arguement that the resurrection had to be true for people to be willing to die must be put to rest. The other problem is that it is so monologocentric. Even if the resurrection was a big deal (which it doesn't seem to have been for either Q, Thomas, or even John to a certain degree) there are a lot of other things which the Early Christians could have been doing together that would have been worth dying for. It is my belief that even the idea of a mixed race community, which brought down regional/national boundaries in the name of koinonia could have been enough for people to be willing to die. Radical communties do that (e.g. Jonestown, Waco, Warsaw, etc) But my original point was that roman persecution (which is the only persecution we have documented proof of) was not about whether a carpenter came back from the dead. Such a claim was not unique nor particularly abhorent to the roman or greek mind. My point is that avoidance of military and civic duty (i.e. emperor worship) would have been much more problematic -- which has nothing to do with the resurrection at all. When nero used christians as human torches to light up his dinner party it wasn't because the believe in a risen savior, it was because they were supposedly involved in incest and cannablism. The argument that christians were martyred for the resurrection just cannot stand up to critical examination. randy
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From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 Would it be asking too much for you to DOCUMENT these allegations of "Israel used to arrest and kill neutral reporters"? I think you confuse Israel with other nations of that geographical region to which the notion of a free, unmonitored by the government, press corps would be a joke. As for the notion that Israel threatens the human rights of Palestinians by sealing off the Gaza strip, get real. When the Palestinian-on-Palestinian civil war stops and all Palestinians can behave like mature human beings, Israel will talk concessions on both sides for peace. Not before.
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From: moore@halley.est.3m.com (Richard Moore) Subject: Re: X interactive performance In-reply-to: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:20:40 GMT Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA Lines: 4 For image display, about 10 frames per second seems to be the lower limit for interactive operations. For just bringing up an image for viewing less than 1 second seems to be a good number. Of course the measure of response time should be based on the applications you are planning to run.
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From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: hipmac1.pica.army.mil In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) wrote: > > > Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason > is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is > "No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort > children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised > when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the > message they hear is "Life is Cheap"! > I think this is getting a little overheated. Highway robbers have been a part of life since the Middle Ages at least. It's human nature to look at history through rose colored glasses, but random acts of violence have been a ceaseless part of our heritage. Overall, life is better now than it ever was then. It's just that random individual acts of violence have never been historically significant, and record keeping in the past was never good enough to retain them all. Steve Wall
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From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 25 > = ( Steve Novak) writes: >> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>> = (Robert C Hite) writes: >>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the >>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in >>>baseball at 8-1 >>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame >>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. >What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a >correction of *your* error. That last was me, Steve Novak. I've since read the entire original posting by Hite. Mr. Fischer was actually restrained. Let Mr. Hite hope he never makes some similar, tiny mistake. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Steve Novak | |"Ban the Bomb!" "Ban the POPE!!"| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ steven@advtech.USWest.Com
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From: S901924@mailserv.cuhk.hk Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla Nntp-Posting-Host: wksb14.csc.cuhk.hk Organization: Computer Services Centre, C.U.H.K. Distribution: World Lines: 36 In article <C4M8E5.AuD@csn.org> et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) writes: >From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) >Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise >Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? >Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:18:04 GMT >In article <C4KvJF.4qo@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: >>crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >>> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes: >>>> "Existence" is undefined unless it is synonymous with "observable" in >>>> physics. >>> [crb] Dong .... Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of >>> string theory? >> >> I agree. You can add "dark matter" and quarks and a lot of other >>unobservable, purely theoretical constructs in physics to that list, >>including the omni-present "black holes." >> >> Will Bruce argue that their existence can be inferred from theory >>alone? Then what about my original criticism, when I said "Curvature >>can only exist relative to something non-curved"? Bruce replied: >>"'Existence' is undefined unless it is synonymous with 'observable' in >>physics. We cannot observe more than the four dimensions we know about." >>At the moment I don't see a way to defend that statement and the >>existence of these unobservable phenomena simultaneously. -|Tom|- > >"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have >no properties." >"Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the >space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, >is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, >for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." - Nikola Tesla > >---- > ET "Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes." >----
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Originator: kevinh@nath Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Hasler AG Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? |> >> |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. |> > |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. |> |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M., |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not the name. kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr14.152634.16128@pony.Ingres.COM>, jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: >>questions like "what kind of sexual perversions do you participate in?" >>and you think he made a good case????? The arresting officer said the >>bastards told him they did it on purpose and hoped the victim would die, >>and you think the defense made a good case????? No wonder we're losing! >>We're aparently not trying to win! > > The clip I saw was even worse than that. The defense attorney was asking > something like "what have you done to serve YOUR country, as compared to > these fine upstanding examples of patriotism?" > > I didn't see the response; I don't think it was shown on TV. I wish the > response had been "I vote. I pay taxes. I pay my salary. I support the Bill > of Rights, unlike you, Counselor." > > In my dreams :-( > > Now, the real question is, could this be a federal civil rights case, since > the state case was a sham? (Sound like a well-known Los Angeles trial?) Probably > not: fags and dykes aren't protected (for being fags and dykes) under civil > rights laws. > > I would doubt any civil rights case would be in order for the point that you mentioned. Even if it were possible, I think it is a bad idea since it smacks real strongly of double jeopardy. A civil case for damages is fine since that is a trial that would proceed regardless of the first. I think a bad precedent has already been set in the King trial in L.A. and something like this would make it worse. Regardless of how bad anybody feels about this decision, it must stand that charges of assault were not not proven against the three marines and that's how it should stand. Frank (who is still mad, but now somewhat sane) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) "There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place." --P.J. O'Rourke
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From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: Hell-mets. Summary: Visual damage is NOT an indicator. Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes: > > In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says: > > > > > > > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better > >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit > >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a > >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might > >have some minor damage? > > == Wear the RF200. Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better > than no helmet or a poorly fitting one. I've had many scratches & bangs > which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the > helmet will continue to give me. Only when you actually see depressions > or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement. > -- This is not good advice. A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement. My head (helmeted) hit the pavement with a "clunk", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage. I called the helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage. They said that the way a fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack. This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a wider area. After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force. They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or outside of the helmet. They suggested that I send them the helmet and they would inspect it (including X-raying). I did so. They sent back the helmet with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection. (I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.) The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity can be compromised with no visible signs. The only way to know for sure is to send it back and have it inspected. Note that some helmet manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not. Another point to consider when purchasing a lid. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
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From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) Subject: Can I have 2 printers on a PC LAN ?????????????? Summary: 2 printers Keywords: 2 printers Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 15 I have recently plunged into PC World. I have been using Amigas before. Trying to establish a network (LAN) here that could use 2 different printers. Panasonic KXP2124 for printing receipts and Okidata OL400 for letters etc. Is it at all possible in this world ? I know when using Unix etc I can specify which printer to print from. But I am not sure how PCs would handle that. If they can't then I guess I'll leave PeeeCeees for good and move on to Unix. Mubashir Cheema Sparco Communications Ph: (601) 323-5360 LaGalarie Fax:(601) 324-6433 500 Russell Street, Suite 20 email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu Starkville, MS 39759
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From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov Subject: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: sscvx1 Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker & easier they where to shift. My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. krispy
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From: tpeng@umich.edu (Timothy Richard Peng) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Lines: 7 Reply-To: tpeng@umich.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu Originator: tpeng@livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu if you have a memory card installed that's not one of apple's, this may be the problem. for a couple of months after the release of the duo, some memory manufacturers were shipping duo memory cards w/ improper (non-self-refreshing) chips. if you have a third party card, pull it and see if the sleep problem recurs. - tim
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Distribution: na Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 68 In article <C5JKIK.1zF@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes: >Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco, >circa June 1986. > >1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, > not gain more bulk. I've been saying that for at least 2 years now and even the A's conditioning guru told Jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help his back.Although I don't for one second believe Jose used steroids,his back problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience because they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame(see Jeff Bregel ex 49er as a textbook example), and IMHO Jose is too big for his frame. >2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's > lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. I can't imagine how to estimate bat speed, but its pretty obvious that Jose is missing fastballs he used to hit, likely due to his back. >3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like > Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is > released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - > Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his > stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, > they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard > to make adjustments in your swing. I don't know, he had an even more open stance when he first came up with the A's, and had no problems with it then. It might be that pre-back problems, he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance caused, but now he's lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts him. The old saying if you're hot its a trigger mechanism, if you're cold, its a hitch. >First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance, >and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this >will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move >the bathead more freely. The biggest problem IMHO is he never has found a stance he's comfortable with for more than a few months. He changes his stance so much, he loses track of where the strike zone is. In Wednesday's night game, he was clearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to me. I think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because he's changed his stance so much. I'm also a bit concerned that because he's got Palmer and Gonzalez hitting all the homeruns, he'll become competitive, swing even harder and screw himself up even worse. LaRussa always said that Canseco's famous batting practice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged bad hitting habits. Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* "I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O." George Gervin on being an assistant coach ********************************************************************************
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From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Gaspra Animation (QuickTime) Keywords: Gaspra, JPL Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 ============================== GASPRA ANIMATION March 12, 1993 ============================== The Gaspra animation is now available at the Ames Space Archives in QuickTime format. The animation was formed from 11 images taken by the Galileo spaecraft shortly before its closest approach to the asteroid in October 1991. The animation is available using anonymous ftp to: ftp: ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) user: anonymous cd: pub/SPACE/ANIMATION files: gaspra.qt ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | It's kind of fun to do /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | the impossible. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | Walt Disney
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From: welch@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Sean N. Welch) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu In article <schneck.735153129@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) writes: >nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes: > >>> The problem occurs during the initial "make World". When >>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find >>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program "ld" >>> which was updated for 4_1_3. >>> > >> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static >>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. > >Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld. Or read fixes 9, 10, and 11 to the MIT distribution. This is a known problem - just apply those fixes and set SunPost411FCSLd to YES and OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to 3. In fix-09: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.1 and you apply Sun's ld patch 100170-6, |then you will need to edit your site.def and add this line to the |AfterVendorCF section: | |#define SunPost411FCSLd YES In fix-10: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.2, change OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to |have a value of 2. In fix-11: |Brief notes on what this patch fixes: | |config: make on SunOS 4.1.2 fails unless tree previously built in Sean Welch
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From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel) Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik Lines: 41 This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail adress see below )! HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD Hello LAdies and Gentleman ! I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode. The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or AD 9038 or if available a faster on. If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please send me an EMail hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353 Thanks in advance for your help ! Sincerely Matthias Hansch IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany --- Andreas Heinbokel heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de *** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts ***
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From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: Prednisone...what are the significant long term side effects? Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama Lines: 30 > >I have been taking prednisone 5mg twice a day for a while to control > >Ulcerative Colitis. It seems like if I reduce the dosage, the problem > >becomes worse. At this point, i see myself taking prednisone for a long > >long time, perhaps for ever. I was wondering about long term major side > >effects, things like potential birth defects, arthritis etc. I have been > >putting on weight, my face looks puffed and round, experience sudden mood > >swings. As I understand, these are all short term. I second what Spenser Aden said in reply. Additionally, it is hard to say what type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say how long you have been on it. Patients are generally kept on steroids for months before thinking about tapering. Alternatives to daily dosing are every other day dosing, in your case 20mg every other day would be a start. Another option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start azathioprine. Like Spenser said, you should generally be on another drug in addition to your prednisone, like asulfidine. A lot of the specifics about options, though, depends on severity, location, and duration of disease, as well as histology, so take advice off the net for what it is worth. I treat patients with UC and Crohn's. An educated patient is a good patient, but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things can be put in context. You should also be a member of the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 office / 1-800-343-3637 info hotline. Best of Luck to you. Steve Holland. gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
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From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (M Beavington) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 15 In article <13386@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. |> |> I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. |> vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. |> |> Now what do I do? |> Go bikeless. You drink and drive, you pay. No smiley. Mike Beavington mbeaving@bnr.ca *opinions are my own and not my companies'.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 163 In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. > Well, this is your opinion ! Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? If you feel that you can simply act as a fascist Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. This time, fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri men, women and children. Not a chance. > The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992 > Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war ------------------------------------------- > Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from Agdam ------ > Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off the map. > ....... > As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke apart. ....... > I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya, a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the town, called her community "sitting ducks, ready to get shot". She and her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26. ....... > "The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and the government does nothing." Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five, said. "Next they will drive us out or kill us all," said Dilbar, his wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to. ...... > "It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross. There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had just entered their trap." > The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge from the Armenians. > "The Armenians just shot and shot and shot," said Omar Veyselov, lying in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. "I saw my wife and daughter fall right by me." > People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: " Where is my daughter, where is my son ?" wailed a mother. "Raped. Butchered. Lost." > Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians were caught in "crossfire". ....... > Source: The Times, 2 March 1992. CORPSES LITTER HILLS IN KARABAKH ANATOL LIEVEN COMES UNDER FIRE WHILE FLYING WITH AZERBAIJANI FORCES TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGED MASS KILLINGS OF REFUGEES BY ARMENIAN TROOPS... As we swooped low over the snow-covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran. An Azerbaijani film of the places we flew over, shown to journalists afterwards, showed DOZENS OF CORPSES lying in various parts of the hills. The Azerbaijanis claim that AS MANY AS 1000 have died in a MASS KILLING of AZERBAIJANIS fleeing from the town of Khodjaly, seized by Armenians last week. A further 4,000 are believed to be wounded, frozen to death or missing... Seven of us squatted in the cabin of an Azerbaijani M24 attack helicopter as we flew to investigate the claims of the mass killings. Suddenly there was a thump against the underside of the aircraft, a red flash of tracer ripped past the starboard wing, and the helicopter rocked sharply. We swung round, and there was a deafening burst of fire from the cannon under our wing as the helicopter crew returned fire. We had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post. We swung round again, tipped to starboard and appeared to dive straight down into a valley. The brown earth swooped around our heads, the helicopter swung round again and followed the contours of the ground. Our cannon fired repeated blasts. Later it emerged that a civilian helicopter that we had been escorting had landed successfully at Nakhichevanik in the east of the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, to pick up some of the dead. We had, in fact, been attacked both by ground fire and by an Armenian helicopter. I had seen the Armenian helicopter intermittently through the window, its cannons firing, but had thought - mistakenly - that it was on "our side". Our group of Western journalists had embarked on a search-and-rescue flight that had become a combat mission. Our flight consisted of the civilian passenger helicopter and two M24 Soviet attack helicopters in the Azerbaijani service, nicknamed flying crocodiles for their armour. Our party was in the second crocodile. The civilian helicopter's job was to land in the mountains and pick up bodies at sites of the mass killings. The attack helicopters were there to give covering fire if necessary. The operation showed a striking sign of the disintegration of the Soviet armed forces because our pilot was a Russian officer. An Azerbaijani official told us that there were now five former Soviet military helicopters -and their pilots- fighting for Azerbaijan. "They have signed contracts to fly for us," he said. The helicopter we engaged in combat was most probably flown by a brother-officer of our Russian pilot, but fighting for the Armenians. We had taken off just before 5pm on Saturday from Agdam airfield, an heated for the Armenian-controlled mountains of Karabakh, a sheer white wall in the distance. The civilian helicopter picked up four corpses, and it was during this and a previous mission that an Azerbaijani cameraman filmed the several the several dozen bodies on the hillsides. We then took off again in a hurry and speed back towards Azerbaijani lines. Azerbaijani gunners on the last hill before the plain - and safety - gazed up at us as we passed. Back at the airfield in Agdam, we took a look the bodies the civilian helicopter had picked up. Two old men a small girl were covered with blood, their limbs contorted by the cold and rigor mortis. They had been shot. What did our Russian pilot think of the tragedy, our close shave, and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh? He gave us CHEERFUL GRIN, POLITELY DECLINED TO ANSWER QUES TIONS, AND MARCHED OFF TO HIS DINNER. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)