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5200 | From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism
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An Introduction to Atheism
by mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
This article attempts to provide a general introduction to atheism. Whilst I
have tried to be as neutral as possible regarding contentious issues, you
should always remember that this document represents only one viewpoint. I
would encourage you to read widely and draw your own conclusions; some
relevant books are listed in a companion article.
To provide a sense of cohesion and progression, I have presented this article
as an imaginary conversation between an atheist and a theist. All the
questions asked by the imaginary theist are questions which have been cropped
up repeatedly on alt.atheism since the newsgroup was created. Some other
frequently asked questions are answered in a companion article.
Please note that this article is arguably slanted towards answering questions
posed from a Christian viewpoint. This is because the FAQ files reflect
questions which have actually been asked, and it is predominantly Christians
who proselytize on alt.atheism.
So when I talk of religion, I am talking primarily about religions such as
Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which involve some sort of superhuman divine
being. Much of the discussion will apply to other religions, but some of it
may not.
"What is atheism?"
Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God.
Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is
often referred to as the "weak atheist" position, and the latter as "strong
atheism".
It is important to note the difference between these two positions. "Weak
atheism" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. "Strong
atheism" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not
fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are "strong atheists".
Some atheists believe in the non-existence of all Gods; others limit their
atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than making
flat-out denials.
"But isn't disbelieving in God the same thing as believing he doesn't exist?"
Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe
it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to
believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or
not. Which brings us to agnosticism.
"What is agnosticism then?"
The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor Huxley at a meeting of the
Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who
disclaimed ("strong") atheism and believed that the ultimate origin of things
must be some cause unknown and unknowable.
Thus an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for
sure whether God exists.
Words are slippery things, and language is inexact. Beware of assuming that
you can work out someone's philosophical point of view simply from the fact
that she calls herself an atheist or an agnostic. For example, many people
use agnosticism to mean "weak atheism", and use the word "atheism" only when
referring to "strong atheism".
Beware also that because the word "atheist" has so many shades of meaning, it
is very difficult to generalize about atheists. About all you can say for
sure is that atheists don't believe in God. For example, it certainly isn't
the case that all atheists believe that science is the best way to find out
about the universe.
"So what is the philosophical justification or basis for atheism?"
There are many philosophical justifications for atheism. To find out why a
particular person chooses to be an atheist, it's best to ask her.
Many atheists feel that the idea of God as presented by the major religions
is essentially self-contradictory, and that it is logically impossible that
such a God could exist. Others are atheists through scepticism, because they
see no evidence that God exists.
"But isn't it impossible to prove the non-existence of something?"
There are many counter-examples to such a statement. For example, it is
quite simple to prove that there does not exist a prime number larger than
all other prime numbers. Of course, this deals with well-defined objects
obeying well-defined rules. Whether Gods or universes are similarly
well-defined is a matter for debate.
However, assuming for the moment that the existence of a God is not provably
impossible, there are still subtle reasons for assuming the non-existence of
God. If we assume that something does not exist, it is always possible to
show that this assumption is invalid by finding a single counter-example.
If on the other hand we assume that something does exist, and if the thing in
question is not provably impossible, showing that the assumption is invalid
may require an exhaustive search of all possible places where such a thing
might be found, to show that it isn't there. Such an exhaustive search is
often impractical or impossible. There is no such problem with largest
primes, because we can prove that they don't exist.
Therefore it is generally accepted that we must assume things do not exist
unless we have evidence that they do. Even theists follow this rule most of
the time; they don't believe in unicorns, even though they can't conclusively
prove that no unicorns exist anywhere.
To assume that God exists is to make an assumption which probably cannot be
tested. We cannot make an exhaustive search of everywhere God might be to
prove that he doesn't exist anywhere. So the sceptical atheist assumes by
default that God does not exist, since that is an assumption we can test.
Those who profess strong atheism usually do not claim that no sort of God
exists; instead, they generally restrict their claims so as to cover
varieties of God described by followers of various religions. So whilst it
may be impossible to prove conclusively that no God exists, it may be
possible to prove that (say) a God as described by a particular religious
book does not exist. It may even be possible to prove that no God described
by any present-day religion exists.
In practice, believing that no God described by any religion exists is very
close to believing that no God exists. However, it is sufficiently different
that counter-arguments based on the impossibility of disproving every kind of
God are not really applicable.
"But what if God is essentially non-detectable?"
If God interacts with our universe in any way, the effects of his interaction
must be measurable. Hence his interaction with our universe must be
detectable.
If God is essentially non-detectable, it must therefore be the case that he
does not interact with our universe in any way. Many atheists would argue
that if God does not interact with our universe at all, it is of no
importance whether he exists or not.
If the Bible is to be believed, God was easily detectable by the Israelites.
Surely he should still be detectable today?
Note that I am not demanding that God interact in a scientifically
verifiable, physical way. It must surely be possible to perceive some
effect caused by his presence, though; otherwise, how can I distinguish him
from all the other things that don't exist?
"OK, you may think there's a philosophical justification for atheism, but
isn't it still a religious belief?"
One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is "the
redefinition game". The cynical view of this game is as follows:
Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B points out
that it can't be true, person A gradually re-defines the words he used in the
statement until he arrives at something person B is prepared to accept. He
then records the statement, along with the fact that person B has agreed to
it, and continues. Eventually A uses the statement as an "agreed fact", but
uses his original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure
redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather than be seen
to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along.
The point of this digression is that the answer to the question "Isn't
atheism a religious belief?" depends crucially upon what is meant by
"religious". "Religion" is generally characterized by belief in a superhuman
controlling power -- especially in some sort of God -- and by faith and
worship.
[ It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism are not
"religion" according to such a definition. ]
Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power, nor is it
categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening the definition of
"religious" to encompass atheism tends to result in many other aspects of
human behaviour suddenly becoming classed as "religious" as well -- such as
science, politics, and watching TV.
"OK, so it's not a religion. But surely belief in atheism (or science) is
still just an act of faith, like religion is?"
Firstly, it's not entirely clear that sceptical atheism is something one
actually believes in.
Secondly, it is necessary to adopt a number of core beliefs or assumptions to
make some sort of sense out of the sensory data we experience. Most atheists
try to adopt as few core beliefs as possible; and even those are subject to
questioning if experience throws them into doubt.
Science has a number of core assumptions. For example, it is generally
assumed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers. These are
the sort of core assumptions atheists make. If such basic ideas are called
"acts of faith", then almost everything we know must be said to be based on
acts of faith, and the term loses its meaning.
Faith is more often used to refer to complete, certain belief in something.
According to such a definition, atheism and science are certainly not acts of
faith. Of course, individual atheists or scientists can be as dogmatic as
religious followers when claiming that something is "certain". This is not a
general tendency, however; there are many atheists who would be reluctant to
state with certainty that the universe exists.
Faith is also used to refer to belief without supporting evidence or proof.
Sceptical atheism certainly doesn't fit that definition, as sceptical atheism
has no beliefs. Strong atheism is closer, but still doesn't really match, as
even the most dogmatic atheist will tend to refer to experimental data (or
the lack of it) when asserting that God does not exist.
"If atheism is not religious, surely it's anti-religious?"
It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either "for" or
"against", "friend" or "enemy". The truth is not so clear-cut.
Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that sense,
it can be said to be "anti-religion". However, when religious believers
speak of atheists being "anti-religious" they usually mean that the atheists
have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists.
This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite unfair.
Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad spectrum.
Most atheists take a "live and let live" attitude. Unless questioned, they
will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close friends. Of
course, this may be in part because atheism is not "socially acceptable" in
many countries.
A few atheists are quite anti-religious, and may even try to "convert" others
when possible. Historically, such anti-religious atheists have made little
impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries.
(To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to separation
of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were legally free to
worship as they wished. The institution of "state atheism" came about when
Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and tried to destroy the churches in
order to gain complete power over the population.)
Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they see
religion encroaching on matters which are not its business -- for example,
the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually concerned that
church and state should remain separate.
"But if you don't allow religion to have a say in the running of the state,
surely that's the same as state atheism?"
The principle of the separation of church and state is that the state shall
not legislate concerning matters of religious belief. In particular, it
means not only that the state cannot promote one religion at the expense of
another, but also that it cannot promote any belief which is religious in
nature.
Religions can still have a say in discussion of purely secular matters. For
example, religious believers have historically been responsible for
encouraging many political reforms. Even today, many organizations
campaigning for an increase in spending on foreign aid are founded as
religious campaigns. So long as they campaign concerning secular matters,
and so long as they do not discriminate on religious grounds, most atheists
are quite happy to see them have their say.
"What about prayer in schools? If there's no God, why do you care if people
pray?"
Because people who do pray are voters and lawmakers, and tend to do things
that those who don't pray can't just ignore. Also, Christian prayer in
schools is intimidating to non-Christians, even if they are told that they
need not join in. The diversity of religious and non-religious belief means
that it is impossible to formulate a meaningful prayer that will be
acceptable to all those present at any public event.
Also, non-prayers tend to have friends and family who pray. It is reasonable
to care about friends and family wasting their time, even without other
motives.
"You mentioned Christians who campaign for increased foreign aid. What about
atheists? Why aren't there any atheist charities or hospitals? Don't
atheists object to the religious charities?"
There are many charities without religious purpose that atheists can
contribute to. Some atheists contribute to religious charities as well, for
the sake of the practical good they do. Some atheists even do voluntary work
for charities founded on a theistic basis.
Most atheists seem to feel that atheism isn't worth shouting about in
connection with charity. To them, atheism is just a simple, obvious everyday
matter, and so is charity. Many feel that it's somewhat cheap, not to say
self-righteous, to use simple charity as an excuse to plug a particular set
of religious beliefs.
To "weak" atheists, building a hospital to say "I do not believe in God" is a
rather strange idea; it's rather like holding a party to say "Today is not my
birthday". Why the fuss? Atheism is rarely evangelical.
"You said atheism isn't anti-religious. But is it perhaps a backlash against
one's upbringing, a way of rebelling?"
Perhaps it is, for some. But many people have parents who do not attempt to
force any religious (or atheist) ideas upon them, and many of those people
choose to call themselves atheists.
It's also doubtless the case that some religious people chose religion as a
backlash against an atheist upbringing, as a way of being different. On the
other hand, many people choose religion as a way of conforming to the
expectations of others.
On the whole, we can't conclude much about whether atheism or religion are
backlash or conformism; although in general, people have a tendency to go
along with a group rather than act or think independently.
"How do atheists differ from religious people?"
They don't believe in God. That's all there is to it.
Atheists may listen to heavy metal -- backwards, even -- or they may prefer a
Verdi Requiem, even if they know the words. They may wear Hawaiian shirts,
they may dress all in black, they may even wear orange robes. (Many
Buddhists lack a belief in any sort of God.) Some atheists even carry a copy
of the Bible around -- for arguing against, of course!
Whoever you are, the chances are you have met several atheists without
realising it. Atheists are usually unexceptional in behaviour and
appearance.
"Unexceptional? But aren't atheists less moral than religious people?"
That depends. If you define morality as obedience to God, then of course
atheists are less moral as they don't obey any God. But usually when one
talks of morality, one talks of what is acceptable ("right") and unacceptable
("wrong") behaviour within society.
Humans are social animals, and to be maximally successful they must
co-operate with each other. This is a good enough reason to discourage most
atheists from "anti-social" or "immoral" behaviour, purely for the purposes
of self-preservation.
Many atheists behave in a "moral" or "compassionate" way simply because they
feel a natural tendency to empathize with other humans. So why do they care
what happens to others? They don't know, they simply are that way.
Naturally, there are some people who behave "immorally" and try to use
atheism to justify their actions. However, there are equally many people who
behave "immorally" and then try to use religious beliefs to justify their
actions. For example:
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ
came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was
shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited
patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive
eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God,
be honor and glory forever and ever."
The above quote is from a statement made to the court on February 17th 1992
by Jeffrey Dahmer, the notorious cannibal serial killer of Milwaukee,
Wisconsin. It seems that for every atheist mass-murderer, there is a
religious mass-murderer. But what of more trivial morality?
A survey conducted by the Roper Organization found that behavior
deteriorated after "born again" experiences. While only 4% of respondents
said they had driven intoxicated before being "born again," 12% had done
so after conversion. Similarly, 5% had used illegal drugs before
conversion, 9% after. Two percent admitted to engaging in illicit sex
before salvation; 5% after.
["Freethought Today", September 1991, p. 12.]
So it seems that at best, religion does not have a monopoly on moral
behaviour.
"Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"
If you mean "Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?", then the
answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality
which are at least as strong as those held by religious people.
If you mean "Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?", then the answer
is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person
will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same "moral rules" as theists,
but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by
humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather
than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being.
"Then aren't atheists just theists who are denying God?"
A study by the Freedom From Religion Foundation found that over 90% of the
atheists who responded became atheists because religion did not work for
them. They had found that religious beliefs were fundamentally incompatible
with what they observed around them.
Atheists are not unbelievers through ignorance or denial; they are
unbelievers through choice. The vast majority of them have spent time
studying one or more religions, sometimes in very great depth. They have
made a careful and considered decision to reject religious beliefs.
This decision may, of course, be an inevitable consequence of that
individual's personality. For a naturally sceptical person, the choice
of atheism is often the only one that makes sense, and hence the only
choice that person can honestly make.
"But don't atheists want to believe in God?"
Atheists live their lives as though there is nobody watching over them. Many
of them have no desire to be watched over, no matter how good-natured the
"Big Brother" figure might be.
Some atheists would like to be able to believe in God -- but so what? Should
one believe things merely because one wants them to be true? The risks of
such an approach should be obvious. Atheists often decide that wanting to
believe something is not enough; there must be evidence for the belief.
"But of course atheists see no evidence for the existence of God -- they are
unwilling in their souls to see!"
Many, if not most atheists were previously religious. As has been explained
above, the vast majority have seriously considered the possibility that God
exists. Many atheists have spent time in prayer trying to reach God.
Of course, it is true that some atheists lack an open mind; but assuming that
all atheists are biased and insincere is offensive and closed-minded.
Comments such as "Of course God is there, you just aren't looking properly"
are likely to be viewed as patronizing.
Certainly, if you wish to engage in philosophical debate with atheists it is
vital that you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are
being sincere if they say that they have searched for God. If you are not
willing to believe that they are basically telling the truth, debate is
futile.
"Isn't the whole of life completely pointless to an atheist?"
Many atheists live a purposeful life. They decide what they think gives
meaning to life, and they pursue those goals. They try to make their lives
count, not by wishing for eternal life, but by having an influence on other
people who will live on. For example, an atheist may dedicate his life to
political reform, in the hope of leaving his mark on history.
It is a natural human tendency to look for "meaning" or "purpose" in random
events. However, it is by no means obvious that "life" is the sort of thing
that has a "meaning".
To put it another way, not everything which looks like a question is actually
a sensible thing to ask. Some atheists believe that asking "What is the
meaning of life?" is as silly as asking "What is the meaning of a cup of
coffee?". They believe that life has no purpose or meaning, it just is.
"So how do atheists find comfort in time of danger?"
There are many ways of obtaining comfort; from family, friends, or even pets.
Or on a less spiritual level, from food or drink or TV.
That may sound rather an empty and vulnerable way to face danger, but so
what? Should individuals believe in things because they are comforting, or
should they face reality no matter how harsh it might be?
In the end, it's a decision for the individual concerned. Most atheists are
unable to believe something they would not otherwise believe merely because
it makes them feel comfortable. They put truth before comfort, and consider
that if searching for truth sometimes makes them feel unhappy, that's just
hard luck.
"Don't atheists worry that they might suddenly be shown to be wrong?"
The short answer is "No, do you?"
Many atheists have been atheists for years. They have encountered many
arguments and much supposed evidence for the existence of God, but they have
found all of it to be invalid or inconclusive.
Thousands of years of religious belief haven't resulted in any good proof of
the existence of God. Atheists therefore tend to feel that they are unlikely
to be proved wrong in the immediate future, and they stop worrying about it.
"So why should theists question their beliefs? Don't the same arguments
apply?"
No, because the beliefs being questioned are not similar. Weak atheism is
the sceptical "default position" to take; it asserts nothing. Strong atheism
is a negative belief. Theism is a very strong positive belief.
Atheists sometimes also argue that theists should question their beliefs
because of the very real harm they can cause -- not just to the believers,
but to everyone else.
"What sort of harm?"
Religion represents a huge financial and work burden on mankind. It's not
just a matter of religious believers wasting their money on church buildings;
think of all the time and effort spent building churches, praying, and so on.
Imagine how that effort could be better spent.
Many theists believe in miracle healing. There have been plenty of instances
of ill people being "healed" by a priest, ceasing to take the medicines
prescribed to them by doctors, and dying as a result. Some theists have died
because they have refused blood transfusions on religious grounds.
It is arguable that the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control -- and
condoms in particular -- is increasing the problem of overpopulation in many
third-world countries and contributing to the spread of AIDS world-wide.
Religious believers have been known to murder their children rather than
allow their children to become atheists or marry someone of a different
religion.
"Those weren't REAL believers. They just claimed to be believers as some
sort of excuse."
What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard
to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all
convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight
and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a REAL
Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the
Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves?
In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who
calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his
actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians
are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends -- but surely if
the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be
much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have
made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs
aren't a perversion of what your God intended?
If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why
should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so?
Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered
others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a
Christian.
"Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since
nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely
that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense."
That does not hold, because as was pointed out at the start of this dialogue,
positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much
harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns
don't exist, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths.
It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than
it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, "weak" atheists
would argue that asserting nothing is better still.
"Well, if atheism's so great, why are there so many theists?"
Unfortunately, the popularity of a belief has little to do with how "correct"
it is, or whether it "works"; consider how many people believe in astrology,
graphology, and other pseudo-sciences.
Many atheists feel that it is simply a human weakness to want to believe in
gods. Certainly in many primitive human societies, religion allows the
people to deal with phenomena that they do not adequately understand.
Of course, there's more to religion than that. In the industrialized world,
we find people believing in religious explanations of phenomena even when
there are perfectly adequate natural explanations. Religion may have started
as a means of attempting to explain the world, but nowadays it serves other
purposes as well.
"But so many cultures have developed religions. Surely that must say
something?"
Not really. Most religions are only superficially similar; for example, it's
worth remembering that religions such as Buddhism and Taoism lack any sort of
concept of God in the Christian sense.
Of course, most religions are quick to denounce competing religions, so it's
rather odd to use one religion to try and justify another.
"What about all the famous scientists and philosophers who have concluded
that God exists?"
For every scientist or philosopher who believes in a god, there is one who
does not. Besides, as has already been pointed out, the truth of a belief is
not determined by how many people believe it. Also, it is important to
realize that atheists do not view famous scientists or philosophers in the
same way that theists view their religious leaders.
A famous scientist is only human; she may be an expert in some fields, but
when she talks about other matters her words carry no special weight. Many
respected scientists have made themselves look foolish by speaking on
subjects which lie outside their fields of expertise.
"So are you really saying that widespread belief in religion indicates
nothing?"
Not entirely. It certainly indicates that the religion in question has
properties which have helped it so spread so far.
The theory of memetics talks of "memes" -- sets of ideas which can propagate
themselves between human minds, by analogy with genes. Some atheists view
religions as sets of particularly successful parasitic memes, which spread by
encouraging their hosts to convert others. Some memes avoid destruction by
discouraging believers from questioning doctrine, or by using peer pressure
to keep one-time believers from admitting that they were mistaken. Some
religious memes even encourage their hosts to destroy hosts controlled by
other memes.
Of course, in the memetic view there is no particular virtue associated with
successful propagation of a meme. Religion is not a good thing because of
the number of people who believe it, any more than a disease is a good thing
because of the number of people who have caught it.
"Even if religion is not entirely true, at least it puts across important
messages. What are the fundamental messages of atheism?"
There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a
few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some
religions.
There is more to moral behaviour than mindlessly following rules.
Be especially sceptical of positive claims.
If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to
find it.
Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have.
It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change
yourself.
Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good.
If you must assume something, assume something it's easy to test.
Don't believe things just because you want them to be true.
and finally (and most importantly):
All beliefs should be open to question.
Thanks for taking the time to read this article.
mathew
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5201 | From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ????
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) says:
>Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for!
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>V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up
>the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster.
>This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to
>video memory.
Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA.
While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands
for video is not entirely correct.
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5202 | From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker LHS (was Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?)
Organization: University of Virginia
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Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist
to get his hands on the New Yorker. If you'd like his impressions of it
his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the "Weekend" section.
He is not your traditional auto writer...
Enjoy.
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5203 | From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: Utilities for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
Lines: 28
These utilities all include complete printed manuals and
registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs
at less than half the list price and significantly less
than the cheapest mail-order price around.
* PC TOOLS FOR DOS 8.0, best-selling utilities collections,
includes DOS shell, antivirus program, backup program,
disk defragger, memory optimizer, remote communications
link, data protection and recovery utilities, appointment
book, address book, and more, list $179, sale $80.
* NORTON BACKUP FOR DOS 2.2, supports DOS 6, tape backup
systems, and LANS, twice as fast as backup in DOS 6, highly
automated and customizable, list $149, sale $65.
* QAPLUS 4.7, top-rated DOS based systems diagnostics
program, more comprehensive than anything included in DOS,
Windows, or utilities collections, invaluable for determining
sources of problems with RAM, video, drives, ports, keyboard,
motherboard, joystick, mouse, speaker, and so on, list $159,
sale $70.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
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5204 | From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)
Subject: Re: food-related seizures?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA
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In-reply-to: dozonoff@bu.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT
In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:
Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dozonoff
From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Date: 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT
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Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote:
:
{much deleted]
:
:
: The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made
: by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to
: something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our
: immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running
: nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history
: including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms.
:
Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the
literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains
tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might
potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.
Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.
--
David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health
dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C
(617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118
A couple of folks have suggested the "corn connection". In the five month
period between the two seizures, my daughter had eaten a fair amount of
Kix and Berry Berry Kix in the mornings and never had a problem. I checked
the labels and the first ingredient is corn. She has also never had a problem
eating corn or corn on the cob but of course, that is usually later in the day
with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high. I do believe that
Frost Flakes have corn in them but I will have to check the Fruit Loops. But
the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me
wonder.
Thanks for checking into this. All information at this point is valuable to me.
Sharon
--
Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov
NASA Langley Research Center
Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241
Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362
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5205 | From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Government of Ontario
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In <smN42B1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) writes:
>tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Vel
>> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
>> >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>> >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
>> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>> >
>> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
>> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>> >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>> >
>> >Erik velapold
>>
>> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
>> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
>> "No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
>> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
>> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
>> message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
>>
>> AT
>Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly ,
>only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among
>developed nations).
>I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that
>can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket
>picked by Slaves or Russian refugees.
>Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare.
>I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during
>the night without even worrying.
>In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look
>behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a
>sparkling cleen.
>Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying.
>I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism
>we might get somewhere.
>Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce
>crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend
>more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech
>revelant).
>Vlasis Theodore
>___________________
>Software Engineer
>IDB Mobile Communications.
>Sig under development ...
I remember this happening on the I-75 through Michigan and Ohio several
years back. A group of guys in an old beater would rear end a car,
usually out of state or Canadians. You stop and they smack you with a BB
bat. At least they didn't kill you for the sake of a car.
I think the cops put out decoys and this calmed down for a while.
Vlasis, are you safe walking through Germany if you are a refugee ?
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5206 | From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world
Lines: 56
In <C5HI0B.26C@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.220105.26409@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>>In article <93Apr08.202003.27851@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>>As a long time motorcyclist, I have never understood what
>>>posessed auto builders to put delicate controls, which must
>>>be used with skill and finesse, like clutches and brakes,
>>>on the floor.
>>>
>>>Why not hand control? It's much much easier.
>>
>>In the early days, neither of these functions had power-assist, so
>>only legs had enough strength to activate them. Since then, it's
>>been traditional and people would have a hard time getting
>>used to anything else.
>Well, where, exactly, would you put a hand clutch and brake? On
>a motorcycle, it's easy; the handlebars have a very limited
>range of turning. Steering wheels, on the other hand, turn around
>and around and around...which is fine for electrical relays (like
>your cruise control and airbag)--but how many of you want to
>lose your clutch and/or brake due to a short circuit?
Shades of the Edsel! They had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub
that controlled the auto tranny. It was very disconcerting to shift
into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted.
>There are workarounds, but there's really no reason to use hand
>power on a car's clutch or brakes, and lightening them to the
>point that they are "finesse" controls suitable for hand use
>would increse the mechanical complexity substantially (look at
>power brakes and non-power brakes for an example).
>>I saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering
>>wheel...
>That's about useless, IMHO.
>>>Another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks, doors, and
>>>ignitions. Why on earth would you want this?
>>
>>I know *I* don't.
>I want a separate trunk key for security reasons; it gives me a totally
>separate, lockable container. For door and ignition....ehhh, the same key's
>OK, I guess.
> James
>James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
>Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
>DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
> The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
> "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
> and all he's ever gonna have."
> --Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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5207 | From: dragon@access.digex.com (Covert C Beach)
Subject: Re: Mars Observer Update - 03/29/93
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 33
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL
In article <1pcgaa$do1@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>Now isn't that always the kicker. It does seem stupid to drop
>a mission like Magellan, because there isn't 70 million a year
>to keep up the mission. You'd think that ongoing science could
>justify the money. JPL gets accused of spending more then neccessary,
>probably some validity in that, but NASA does put money into some
>things that really are Porcine. Oh well.
I attended a colloquium at Goddard last fall where the head of the
operations section of NASA was talking about what future missions
were going to be funded. I don't remember his name or title off hand
and I have discarded the colloquia announcement. In any case, he was
asked about that very matter: "Why can't we spend a few million more
to keep instruments that we already have in place going?"
His responce was that there are only so many $ available to him and
the lead time on an instrument like a COBE, Magellan, Hubble, etc
is 5-10 years minumum. If he spent all that could be spent on using
current instruments in the current budget enviroment he would have
very little to nothing for future projects. If he did that, sure
in the short run the science would be wonderful and he would be popular,
however starting a few years after he had retired he would become
one of the greatest villans ever seen in the space community for not
funding the early stages of the next generation of instruments. Just
as he had benefited from his predicessor's funding choices, he owed it
to whoever his sucessor would eventually be to keep developing new
missions, even at the expense of cutting off some instruments before
the last drop of possible science has been wrung out of them.
--
Covert C Beach
dragon@access.digex.com
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5208 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed
>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining.
>===
>I aint talking the large or even the "mining companies" I am talking the small
>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The
>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do
>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point).
Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living
rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are
many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not
often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit
of environmental damage.
These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was
uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change
people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off
the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their
job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term
federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness.
pat
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5209 | From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
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In <CINDY.93Apr18124333@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Various quotes deleted in the interest of saving a little bit of
>bandwidth, but i will copy the Koran quote:
>>>>"AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE
>>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES)
>>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE." (Holy Quran 21:33)
>As it has been pointed out, this quote makes no claim about what
>orbits what. The idea that something orbited something had been held
>as true for many years before the Koran was written, so the fact that
>it says something orbits something is hardly surprising insight. My
>concern is with the word "rounded".
>There are two interpretations of this word:
>1. It means in a circle. This is wrong, although many believed it to
>be true at the time the Koran was written. In other words, it is not
>describing our neighborhood of the universe as it really exists, but
>as it was thought to be at the time. This has implications which i
>hope are obvious to everyone.
>2. It means "in a rounded shape", which could include elipses (the
>geometrical form which most nearly describes the orbits of the
>planets). This is also not a great insight. Look at the shapes you
>see in nature. Very few of them even approach a square or rectangle;
>those are human-created shapes. Everything in nature is rounded to
>some degree. Even the flat-earthers don't try to claim Earth is a
>rectangle. Children who draw imaginary animals seldom give them
>rectangular bodies. We seem to instinctively recognize that nature
>produces rounded shapes; hence, the assumption that the orbits of the
>planets would be round hardly takes divine inspiration.
It is good to remember that every translation is to some extent an
interpretation, so (as you point out below) one must really go back to
the original Arabic. Regarding the verses relevant to nature, I prefer
to use Dr. Maurice Bucaille's translations (in his book, "The Bible, the
Qur'an and Science") for in general his translations are more literal.
Maurice Bucaille translates the portion of the verse you are addressing
as
"...Each one is travelling with an orbit in its own motion."
(Also note that "the celestial bodies" in the first translation quoted
by you above is the translator's interpolation -- it is not existent in
the original Arabic, which is why it is included in brackets.)
>Perhaps someone who can read the original Arabic can eliminate one of
>these interpretations; at any rate, neither one of them is exactly
>impressive.
You're right, what the verses _do_ contain isn't all that remarkable.
However, Dr. Bucaille (a surgeon, that's how he's a "Dr.") thinks it is
significant that the above verse contains no geocentric ideas, even
though geocentrism was all the rage up until the 17th century (?) or so.
(And this goes for the rest of the Qur'an as well, which has about 750
verses or so regarding nature, I think I remember reading once.)
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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5210 | From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
Subject: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans
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Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans
10. Institute a national sales tax to pay for the socialization of
America's health care resources.
9. Declare war on Serbia. Reenact the draft.
8. Stimulate the economy with massive income transfers to Democtratic
constituencies.
7. Appoint an unrepetent socialist like Mario Cuomo to the Suprmeme Court.
6. Focus like a laser beam on gays in the military.
5. Put Hillary in charge of the Ministry of Truth and move Stephanopoulos
over to socialzed health care.
4. Balance the budget through confiscatory taxation.
3. Remind everyone, again, how despite the Democrats holding the
Presidency, the majority of seats in the House, and in the Senate,
the Republicans have still managed to block his tax-and-spend programs.
2. Go back to England and get a refresher course in European Socialism.
1. Resign, now!
Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993
Be sure to look for:
_Slick Willie's First Very Own Book of Top Ten Lists_
Available soon in paperback.
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5211 | From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Lines: 53
In article <C5IAK2.5zH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
> Clayton Cramer:
>> But what came out, in much lower profile reporting, was that the
>> "victim" was a prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the
>> false accusation.
> There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the
> defense merely alledged that she was.
The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was
presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court
apparently found this compelling.
> Even Clayton knows the difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know
> the difference.
Clayton does indeed know the difference. Greg apparently doesn't.
>> the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines
>> were engaged in self-defense.
> No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder
> on proof.
Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the
Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead?
> A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines:
> New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in
> the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving
> the Marines acted to cause injury.
Because, in part [REPEAT AFTER ME], "the judge found that there was
some credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense".
Hopefully, one of these days you will understand.
> Interesting that in 2 of the 3 cases Clayton does what he accuses
> others of doing.
With respect to credibility, I would rate Clayton Cramer an order of
magnitude higher than a) the news media, and b) homosexuals.
> But I never thought Clayton was consistent.
Clayton is indeed consistent. And so are you.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
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5212 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Armenian way of slaughtering a twelve-year-old Muslim girl.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 360.
"At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward
Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and
tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly,
through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in-
arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."
p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair,
large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble
where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet
had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between
the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun
dress.
The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He
lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the
pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed
just below his neck, into the spine.
There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was
empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking
colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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5213 | From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
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In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find arrogant about
Christians is that some Christians profess absolute certianty about their
beliefs and doctrines. That is, many Christians insist that they CANNOT have
made any mistakes when discovering their beliefs, which amounts to saying
that they are infallible.
Impicitly claiming to be infallible is pretty arrogant, most of us will
probably agree.
In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources are, if any
part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own thinking and reasoning,
then those doctrines are suspect. So long as your own brain is involved,
there is a possibility for error. I summarised the problem by writing "There
is no way out of the loop."
Someone called `REXLEX' has claimed that there IS a way out of the loop, but
he did not bother to explain what it was, preferring instead to paraphrase
Sartre, ramble about Wittgenstein, and say that the conclusion of my argument
leads to relativism.
As I have explained to him before, you cannot reject an argument as false
because you dislike where it leads: the facts do not change just because
you dislike them. `REXLEX' wrote:
> I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because if it is
> taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair.
However, as any first-year philosophy student can explain, what `REXLEX' has
written does not constitute a refutation. All he has said is that he does
not like what I wrote -- he has done nothing at all to dispute it.
*
There were two sentences in `REXLEX's post that seemed relevant to the
point at hand:
> There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be
> experienced and it is verifiable.
I do not dispute that some truths can be verified through experience. I
have, for example, direct experience of adding numbers. I don't claim to
be infallible at it -- in fact I remember doing sums incorrectly -- but I
do claim that I have direct experience of reasoning about numbers.
However, once we go past experiencing things and start reasoning about
them, we are on much shakier ground. That was the point of the earlier
article. Human brains are infested with sin, and they can only be trusted
in very limited circumstances.
> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute
> about a thing.
But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, and your own
reasoning begins, possibility for error appears.
For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations include a
perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, and that Jesus said,
exactly, "This is my body."
We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and absolutely
true. What can we be certain of? Not much.
At the moment he stops speaking, and people start interpreting, the
possibility of error appears. Did he mean that literally or not? We do
not have any record that he elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of
Tran- or Con- substatiation? He didn't say. We interpret this passage
using our brains; we think and reason and draw conclusions. But we know
that our brains are not perfect: our thinking often leads us wrong. (This
is something that most of us have direct experience of. 8-)
Why should anyone believe that his reasoning -- which he knows to be
fallible -- can lead him to perfect conclusions?
So, given the assumptions in this example, what we can be certain of is
that Jesus said "This is my body." Beyond that, once we start making up
doctrines and using our brains to reason about what Christ revealed, we
get into trouble.
Unless you are infallible, there are very few things you can be certain
of. To the extent that doctrines rely on fallible human thinking, they
cannot be certain.
That is the problem of seeming arrogant. The non-Christians around us know
that human beings make mistakes, just as surely as we know it. They do not
believe we are infallible, any more than we do.
When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning can never lead
them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we are infallible -- the non-
Christians around us rarely believe that implicit claim. Witnessing is
hardly going to work when the person you are talking to believes that you
are either too foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying
to cover them up.
I think it would be far better to say what things we are certain of and what
things we are only "very confident" of. For example, we might say that we
know our sin, for recognising sin is something we directly experience. But
other things, whether based on reasoning from Scripture or extra-Biblical
thinking, should not be labled as infallible: we should say that we are
very confident of them, and be ready to explain our reasoning.
But, so far as I am aware, none of us is infallible -- speaking or acting
as if our thinking is flawless is ridiculous.
*
`REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Silent_, by
Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of it, but I think that
Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Evangelical Christians. Somebody
else might like it, though, so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it.
If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Certainty_, by
Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
"If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some
Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood*
some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))" -- Michael L Siemon
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5214 | From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)
Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN!
Article-I.D.: blue.7961
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering
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dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said:
>I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report?
>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!)
Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out
from under oversized aqua helmets screams "Little League" in every fibre of
my being...
--
David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes
posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands
e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's)
dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands
|
5215 | From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Lines: 22
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <pgf.735606045@srl02.cacs.usl.edu>, pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes...
>Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes:
>....
>>people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up
>>and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D
>
>Seen that movie already. Or one just like it.
>Come to think of it, they might send someone on
>a quest to get rid of the dang thing...
Actually, the idea, like most good ideas, comes from Jules Verne, not
_The Gods Must Be Crazy._ In one of his lesser known books (I can't
remember which one right now), the protagonists are in a balloon gondola,
travelling over Africa on their way around the world in the balloon, when
one of them drops a fob watch. They then speculate about the reaction
of the natives to finding such a thing, dropped straight down from heaven.
But the notion is not pursued further than that.
-Scott
-------------------- New .sig under construction
Scott I. Chase Please be patient
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV Thank you
|
5216 | From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations)
Keywords: KDKA, WDVE, KBL
Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 42
In article <ragraca.735252641@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes:
>
>I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting
>at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and
>since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up
>after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be
>broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted
>by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those
>if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway.
According to this morning's Post-Gazette:
The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates
are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by
WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's
game.
In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship
station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new
deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems
more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next
season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be
simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the
early round playoff games, will be available by "subscription tv" only.
To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and
then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars.
Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv
simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio
broadcast team.
No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald
are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the
end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire
Lange and Steigerwald.
Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
|
5217 | From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young)
Subject: ATTN: H. Wheaton, UCal Davis
Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.182.211.36
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
I tried to E-mail you, but the message bounced.
Motorola has a University Support Program through which (I've been told) folks
at schools can get sample quantities of parts. If you'd like to try this
route, e-mail me for the address/phone #...I don't wish to post it for all the
world to see.
Dick Young
Motorola, Inc.
(Who doesn't have a thing to do with my opinions: They're my own fault.)
|
5218 | From: thompson@cactus.org (Charles Thompson)
Subject: How does "Differential Mode" GPS work???
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 15
I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option
known as "differential ready". Apparently land-based
beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS
receiver (with differential option installed).
How does this system work? What frequency is used for
the land-based beacons?
Thanks in advance,
Charlie Thompson
.
|
5219 | From: david@swat (David E. Smyth)
Subject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth
Nntp-Posting-Host: swat
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Lines: 16
zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes:
>The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found
>in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de,
>but the mail bounced back.
Here I am!!
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Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6463 (temp! do NOT use v-mail)
X and Object Guru. tempory office: 525/B70
Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109
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What's the earliest possible date you can't prove it won't be done by?
- Tom DeMarco
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|
5220 | From: em@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Electronic Maintenance)
Subject: INCREDIBLE NEW B.B.S.
Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site
Lines: 39
NNTP-Posting-Host: hprpcd.rose.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]
WOW !!!!
Did I discover a great BBS !!
It's called Sovereignty Lies In The People
BBS: 916-589-4620 14.4 k baud. FREE and Confidential
! Fictitious names OK ! Subjects and files contained on the BBS:
* FIND OUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SCAMMING US !!!!
* State Citizenship documents and issues.
ARE YOU A CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC CITIZEN OR A U.S. FEDERAL CITIZEN ?
Remember there were only State Citizens before the 14th amendment!!
One is subject to federal income tax, one isn't.
Did you volunteer to surrender your State Citizenship when you got
your Social Security number? Which one are you?
* Tax laws and issues. BEAT THE IRS
* Traffic laws and issues. BEAT TRAFFIC TICKETS. Can you answer this one:
What law allows a police officer to arrest you without a warrant when
he issues you a ticket?
* Religious truth issues. ARE ALL RELIGIONS SCAMS ????
ARE ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS OF THE GREAT CREATOR GOD ????
* Trust documents and issues.
The SYSOP told me that instructions to beat traffic
tickets will be on the BBS shortly. Beat traffic
tickets without going to court!!! The BBS is GREAT, spread the word !!!!
Also: How come I don't hear more people talking about the
Federal Reserve Bank? Just ask yourself these questions:
1) Why would anyone borrow money from themselves at interest?
The Federal government does * NOT * * NOT *
The Federal reserve Bank is private. The American people are
being ripped off royally. 100% of the income tax goes to pay
on the Federal debt to the Federal Reserve Bankers. Not one
dime goes for services. Services like the military and
welfare come from excise taxes and the like.
2) Why do we the American people stand for this?????
** Check Out The New BBS **
|
5221 | From: cavalier@blkbox.COM (Bill Egan)
Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.houston.pub-ip.psi.net
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Lines: 13
jgreen@amber (Joe Green) writes:
>> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip?
>Do you have Weitek's address/phone number? I'd like to get some information
>about this chip.
Yes, I am very interested in this chip. Please follow up or email.
--
Bill Egan
Cavalier Graphics
Houston, Texas
Email: cavalier@blkbox.com
|
5222 | From: tclark@tlcslip.uncecs.edu (Thomas B. Clark)
Subject: Re: "So help you God" in court?
Reply-To: tclark@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC School of Medicine
Lines: 11
I don't think there is really any question about which god the courts
mean. The request for solemnly swearing, so help you god,
is always made after a request to pick up the bible in your left hand
and hold up your right hand. In the courts of NC, at least, it is always
an old and new testament.
Though it is hard to imagine, picking up the bible and swearing to (whatever)
god is sometimes the least of the religious influence. There is a court in
Greensboro, NC, where the judge routinely has everyone in the courtroom
stand to join him in prayer at the beginning of every session. I've thought about
sitting through it, but I'm not terribly anxious to spend 30 days in jail...
|
5223 | From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: a question on window ids
Keywords: windows
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Lines: 23
In article <wnk.734824081@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu>, wnk@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu (Walter Kreiling) writes:
> Given a program running on a workstation with an X based window
> system, how can one pop the window in which it is running to the top.
> By window I mean the terminal window from which it was invoked.
One can't. The application may not have been started from a terminal
emulator; if it was, the terminal emulator may not still exist, and if
it does it may be in no condition to be "pop[ped] to the top" (eg, it
may be iconified). And even if you can, it may not do what you want -
consider a virtual-root window manager like tvtwm, with the relevant
window in a portion of the virtual desktop that's outside the real
desktop.
Some (but not all) X terminal emulators provide environment variables
giving a window ID. Even if such a thing is present in the
environment, it may not be what you want; it may correspond to a window
on a different server, for example.
der Mouse
mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu
|
5224 | From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com
Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY
Lines: 27
In article <viking.733962547@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>,
viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> I get annoyed at insurance. Hence, I'm self-insured above
|>liability. Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better
|>game to play and everybody is still financially secure.
What's involved in getting bonded? Anyone know if that's an option
recognized by NYS DMV?
Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall.
|
5225 | From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Lines: 35
In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,
> 20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has
> long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."
> note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.
There is a premium of approx $200 for the controller. What is nice is
being able to run hard disks, tape drives, cd-roms and scanners of
one dma channel and interupt!
SCSI makes sense is you are going to load up a machine, if you just want
a standard box for Windows then IDE makes sense.
I have one loaded box that uses SCSI and run Unix and one standard box
that runs DOS/Windows that uses IDE.
[ By standard I mean - 486, 4-8MB RAM, 200MH disk, S3 video ]
> int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the
> article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL
> implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}
I beleive this last bit is just plain wrong!
> SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play
> program.
Guy
--
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc.
guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128
guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377
|
5226 | From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together
Article-I.D.: tekgen.2419
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
Lines: 32
In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes:
>
>[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted]
>
>>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure? I can visualize fewer
>>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but
>>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first
>>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips
>>(especially for the last two pistons).
It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially
on two-strokes. It's very common to do this on bikes where the
cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being
removed with the engine in the frame.
I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was
easier yet because it does not have through-studs. Base flange studs,
and separate head bolts, dontchaknow.
You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep
clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the
cylinder while you're inserting the pins.
(Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can't wear out |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |
| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |
| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that |
| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief." |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
5227 | From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Baseball spreads?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 9
NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu
In article <1993Apr18.225909.16116@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
} How does one read the betting spreads for baseball? They tend to be something
} like 8-9 which means it must not be runs!
that spread means you bet $5 on the underdog to win $8, or $9 on the
favorite to win $5.
-*-
charles
|
5228 | From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Books for sale!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition. Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
|
5229 | From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu)
Subject: Baseball Stats
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Lines: 17
Distribution: usa
Expires: 5/5/93
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Summary: 1992 EWB II Stats wanted
Hello, my friends and I are running the Homewood Fantasy Baseball
League (pure fantasy baseball teams). Unfortunely, we are running the league
using Earl Weaver Baseball II with the Comm. Disk II and we need the stats
for the 1992 season. (Preferably the 1992 Major League Stat Disk) We have
the '92 total stats but EWB2 needs the split stats otherwise we have 200
inning games because the Comm. Disk turns total stats into vs. L's stats
unless you know both right and left -handed stats.
So, if anyone has the EWB2 '92 Stat Disk please e-mail me!
__________________________________________________________________________
|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu|
|"Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms |
|and their Rehabilitation Into Society" from Red Dwarf - "Polymorph" |
|****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****|
| This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
5230 | From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly)
Subject: WANTED: SIRD Alogorythmn
Summary: WANTED: A Sird Alogorythmn
Keywords: Sird
Article-I.D.: DIALix.1praaa$pqv
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Lines: 12
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1
Hi,
I'm interested in writing a program to generate a SIRD picture, you know
the stereogram where you cross your eyes and the picture becomes 3D.
Does anyone have one or know where I can get one?
Please e-mail to steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au with any replies.
Many thanks for your help.
Steve Q.
|
5231 | From: sidak_ok@lrc.edu
Subject: Box of chemicals for sale
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC
Lines: 7
I'm selling $388 worth of chemicals for $100 or I'll split it in two for $50
dollars apeice. Aprox. 380 1oz bottles. Will make a great chem set.
Will pay shipping up to $15. If really interested I will mail a partial list.
Please contact by e-mail only
Omar
|
5232 | From: formeza@panix.com (The Owl)
Subject: Re: Rangers Top Ten
Keywords: Rangers
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Lines: 28
In <120365@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:
>>
>>7. Carol Alt, Head Coach In 93-94?
>I wish! She can be *my* head coach any time!!!! (Sorry Ali! Back to
>real hockey.)
Hmmmmmm. I think I'll let everyone make there own comment on this one.
>>THE BAD
>>
>>Alexei Kovalev.
>>What did the Rangers think when they signed him? Did they think he
>>was another Domi? Just let him play! And not on a 4th line. Better
>>that he stays in the minors and gets ice-time ALL the time.
>Whose "bad"? It has been Neilson and Smith's decision to play him there,
>if that's what you mean, then that's bad. But Kovalev himself is a very
>good player. You're right, if he weren't stranded on the fourth line
>maybe he'd produce. Sound familiar? Darren Turcotte?
Neilson and Smith are bad. Kovalev is magical.
Lets Go Pens!
The Owl
|
5233 | From: Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu>
Subject: Re: SE/30 acc & graphics card?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 05:13:14 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.43
Organization: Calvin College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20
Lines: 25
In article <2BCF3DD9.8771@ics.uci.edu> Matt Madsen,
mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu writes:
> Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040
> accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for
> the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30.
>
The DayStar PowerCache for the SE/30 replaces the CPU with an accelerated
CPU plus the powercache. This leavese the PDS slot open for a video card.
Currenty, DayStar does not have the '040 in this configuration, but it is
due out early next year. With their upgrade policy, you can get the '030
accelerator now, and when the '040 version becomes available, you get
credit
for the one you have.
I am running their 50 MHz version with FPU along with a Radius Precision
Color Pivot and I'm very satisfied.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics
fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College
(616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
=========================================================================
|
5234 | From: horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan)
Subject: Re: Best Second Baseman?
Article-I.D.: crcnis1.1pqvusINNmjm
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Lines: 29
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1993Mar29.044248.16010@sarah.albany.edu> js8484@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>>Personally, I think that Alomar is all hype. He is producing incredibly now,
>>but in the long run, he will never put up the numbers that Sandberg has. For
>>THIS moment, Alomar may be the best, but overall Sandberg wins out by a long
>>shot.
>When Sandberg was Alomar's age, he was putting up .261 seasons with no power.
>Alomar's 1992 OBA is 25 points higher than Sandberg's career high. Alomar's
>career high in doubles and triples is higher than Sandberg's. Sandberg is
>still better than Alomar, but only because Alomar hasn't reached his full
>potential yet. Alomar's got a 2.5 year-headstart on Sandberg (he has 862
>hits; Sandberg didn't have 862 hits until he was 26), and is likely to
>put up better career numbers than Sandberg in everything except home runs.
>He'll pass Sandberg in stolen bases sometime in 1995.
Sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases. What competition did
Alomar have? Sandberg came in a year after Ripken, and the same year as Boggs,
Gwynn, and the other magicians. So less attention was given to Sandberg.
Alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre. Besides the
numbers don't count. National league pitchers are much better pitchers.
Larry on someone elses account
--
Mark Horan --
horan@cse.unl.edu
ianr053@unlvm
|
5235 | From: ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za (Dave Wilson)
Subject: Xlib timeouts?
Summary: How to do timeouts using Xlib
Keywords: Xlib timeouts
Article-I.D.: kudu.ccdw.735917051
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Lines: 12
I am in the process of modifying an X application that uses Xlib. I'd
like to include a timer-driven facility (for network polling), but cannot
see how to do it using Xlib. I know it can be done with Xaw, using
XtAppAddTimeout and XtTimerCallBackProc. How do I do the same using
Xlib?
Thanks for any help. Please email.
--
Dave Wilson
Computing Centre, Rhodes University
Grahamstown, South Africa
|
5236 | From: ong_mang@iastate.edu (sleeping_dragon)
Subject: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor
Summary: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 15
Hi,
I'm looking to buy a 17" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what
monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using
a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind.
Does anyone know of any specification or problems these monitor have?
Actually, any related opinions at buying a 17" monitor will be welcomed.
Thanks in advance,
ong_mang@iastate.edu
|
5237 | From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton)
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Nntp-Posting-Host: stan
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield
X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz
Mime-Version: 1.0
Distribution: na
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr14.181738.18472@bmers95.bnr.ca> alee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes:
>
> In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write:
> >VA, CT, Wash DC and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually
> >use Radar detector detectors.
>
> Nope, not in British Columbia. Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even
> got one.
>
> In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes
> used. I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of
> detection. Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the
> brakes, and search the car.
>
>
> David Lee
> leex@sfu.ca
>
Detectors are legal in Alberta, the old law was overturned a long time ago.
--
Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca
(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
|
5238 | From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says:
>In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
>>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:
>>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
>
>>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral
>>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?
>
There are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed
a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada.
I believe that most of the world has seen pictures of Israeli soldiers who
were breaking the cameras of the reporters, kicking reporters out, confiscating
cassettes, and showing reporters militery orders preventing them from going
to hot areas to pick pictures and make reports.
|
5239 | From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 25
x>>
x>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
x>>>> Any gold trim.
x >
x>>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake
x>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies
x>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion
x>>>in the way.
x>>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with
x>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.
x>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...
x>>
Least you think bad taste is something new:
Back in the early 1970s I saw a couple of cars with *flocked* paint jobs.
Thats not a typo. I think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew
on tiny pieces of nylon. It comes out looking like felt. Can you picture
a huge Plymouth Fury III in dark blue felt? I think I can even remember
one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s Corvette. That was after he had
turned it into a station wagon.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1)
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
5240 | From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU ("Matthew J. Rush")
Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner????
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 4
ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post.
Maine 5-4.
|
5241 | From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>
>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>> ^^^^^^
>> excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>
>
>Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid.
Hey, Dana! Long time, no read. I'm afraid the squid rating has
gone up slightly since getting the Ninja, but I'm trying very hard to restrain
myself--the bodywork is just too damned expensive (knock, knock).
At least it's quiet...
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
|
5242 | From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe
Lines: 13
mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not*
mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful...
Sure. You don't miss what you never had. Those poor sods don't know
what they're missing. I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike?
Mr. Bill
--
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago" +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+ DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +
|
5243 | From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com
(Blaine Gardner) writes:
|> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead
|> of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the
|> cage.
|>
|> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
|>
"May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"
"May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys
lab"
--
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES
and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
|
5244 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 74
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform
>the feat of "definitely" terming actions right or wrong.
If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what
purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be
able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance
with the general goal.
>>>I don't think you've show the existence of *any* objective moral system.
>>They exist, but in practice, they are difficult to perfectly emulate.
>>I mean, you understand the concept of an objective system, right?
>I thought you were explaining it to us. I certainly don't
>understand what you are explaining.
In an objective system, there are known goals. Then, actions are judged
as either being compatible with these goals, or not. Simple. The problem
with most systems in current practice is that the goals differ. That is,
the goals of each society are different.
Note that an objective system is not necessarily an inherent one.
>>The concept of innocence is dependent on whether certain actions are
>>"right" or "wrong," and this depends on the moral system. But, if
>>we have an objective system, then someone can be deemed innocent or
>>not quite easily by an omniscient person. Anyway, I think I cleared
>>up the recursive definition of "murder," because no one is complaining
>>about it.
>I don't think it solves anything to speculate where we would be
>if we *did* have an objective moral system. The question is
>still whether you can even say what one is.
I've said it many, many times.
>And for what it's worth, I don't think you cleared up *anything*
>concerning murder.
Which part do you have a problem with?
>>>What do you mean by "harmed?" Is it harm if you have to spend
>>>your existence metabolising food for another species?
>>Oh, most moral systems would be considered only within a species. It
>>is okay for us to enslave other animals, right? But not humans...
>>Of course, ideally, perhaps we wouldn't even have to bother any other
>>animals...
>One the first point, it's wrong to enslave humans according to my
>persoanl moral system. On the second point, I'm a vegetarian.
But, we can enslave the animals, right? But just not kill them? Or
are you a vegetarian for health reasons?
>So, are you a vegetarian?
No. I fail to see how my *personal* views are relevant, anyway.
>Is it wrong to eat animals in your personal moral system?
Of course not. It seems perfectly valid to kill members of other species
for food. It might be nice, though, if the other animals were not made
to suffer. For instance, a cow in a field lives out its life just about
the same way it would in the wild. They seem happy enough. However,
the veal youngsters aren't treated very well.
>How about an "objective" moral system?
I don't know. What is the goal of this particular system? There is no
inherent system.
>How about a "natural" moral system.
Nope. Again, it seems okay to kill other species for food.
keith
|
5245 | From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride
>> on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>
>!!! Post of the month !!!
>Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar....
>A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me.
Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his
head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee-
corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a
backpack (ok who's done it....).
I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
|
5246 | From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens)
Subject: Compressor Problem
Nntp-Posting-Host: dexter.psych.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Lines: 18
I have a stereo compressor-limiter by
Audio Logic (Model MT-66). The gates work,
but the compressor seems to be gone on one
channel, and very weak on the other.
I'll probably need an ocsilloscope to trace it
down (no pun intended), but if any one with
experience with this type of equipment could
point me in a certain direction as to where the
circuit is most likely to fail, I'd sure appreciate it.
--
Robert C. Stephens rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu
Human Factors Research Lab
University of Minnesota
|
5247 | From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane)
Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues
Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 281
In article <1993Apr5.200623.15140@dsd.es.com>, Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop) writes:
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>
> PUBLIC HEARINGS
>
> on the compliance by the
>
> UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
>
> and the governments of the states of
>
> FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI,
> WEST VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, INDIANA,
> MARYLAND, OKLAHOMA, NEVADA, WYOMING,
> GEORGIA, AND MAINE
>
> with Certain International Agreements Signed
> by the United States Government, in particular,
>
> THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL
> AND POLITICAL RIGHTS
> (signed 5 October 1977)
>
> and the
>
> DOCUMENT OF THE COPENHAGEN MEETING OF THE
> CONFERENCE ON THE HUMAN DIMENSION OF THE
> CONFERENCE ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION
> IN EUROPE
> (June 1990)
>
> A Democracy Project of
>
> CELEBRATE LIBERTY!
> THE 1993 LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
> AND POLITICAL EXPO
>
> Sept. 2-5, 1993
> Salt Palace Convention Center
> Marriott Hotel
> Salt Lake City, Utah
>
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>
>These hearings will investigate charges that the governments
>referenced above routinely violate the political and
>democratic rights of political minority parties. Persons
>interested in testifying at these hearings, or in submitting
>written or documentary evidence, should contact:
>
> Bob Waldrop
> P.O. Box 526175
> Salt Lake City, UT 84152
> (801)-582-3318
> Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org
>
>Examples of possible information of interest includes
>evidence and testimony regarding:
>
>(1) Unfair or unequal treatment of political minorities;
>
>(2) Physical assaults on volunteers, candidates, or
> members of minority parties;
>
>(3) Arrests of minority party petitioners, candidates, or
> members while engaged in political activity;
>
>(4) Structural barriers to organizing third parties and/or
> running for office as anything other than a Democrat
> or Republican (e.g. signature totals required for
> petitions to put new parties and candidates on ballots,
> requirements for third parties that Democrats and
> Republicans are not required to meet, etc.);
>
>(5) Taxpayer subsidies of Democratic and Republican
> candidates that are denied or not available to third
> parties;
>
>(6) Fraudulent or non-reporting of minority party vote
> totals (e.g. stating totals for Democratic and
> Republican party candidates as equal to 100% of the
> vote);
>
>(7) Refusals by state legislatures, governors, and courts to
> hear petitions for redress of grievances from third
> parties, and/or unfavorable rulings/laws
> discriminating against third parties;
>
>(8) Refusal to allow registration as a member of a third
> party when registering to vote (in states where
> partisan voter registration is optional or required);
>
>(9) Vote fraud, stuffing ballot boxes, losing ballots, fixing
> elections, threatening candidates, ballot printing errors;
> machine voting irregularities, dishonest/corrupt
> election officials, refusal to register third party voters
> or allow filing by third party candidates; failure to
> print third party registration options on official voter
> registration documents; intimidation of third party
> voters and/or candidates; and/or any other criminal
> acts by local, county, state or federal election officials;
>
>(10) Exclusion of third party candidates from debate
> forums sponsored by public schools, state colleges and
> universities, and governments (including events
> carried on television and radio stations owned and/or
> subsidized by governments;
>
>(11) Any other information relevant to the topic.
>
>Information is solicited about incidents relating to all non-
>Democratic and non-Republican political parties, such as
>Libertarian, New Alliance, Socialist Workers Party, Natural
>Law Party, Taxpayers, Populist, Consumer, Green, American,
>Communist, etc., as well as independent candidates such as
>John Anderson, Ross Perot, Eugene McCarthy, Barry
>Commoner, etc.
>
>
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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>
>Representatives of the governments referenced above will be
>invited to respond to any allegations.
>
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>
>
> RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT OF THE
> COPENHAGEN MEETING REFERENCED ABOVE:
>
>"(The participating States) recognize that pluralistic
>democracy and the rule of law are essential for ensuring
>respect for all human rights and fundamental freedoms. . .
>They therefore welcome the commitment expressed by all
>participating States to the ideals of democracy and political
>pluralism. . . The participating States express their conviction
>that full respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms
>and the development of societies based on pluralistic
>democracy. . . are prerequisites for progress in setting up the
>lasting order of peace, security, justice, and co-operation. . .
>They therefore reaffirm their commitment to implement fully
>all provisions of the Final Act and of the other CSCE
>documents relating to the human dimension. . . In order to
>strengthen respect for, and enjoyment of, human rights and
>fundamental freedoms, to develop human contacts and to
>resolve issues of a related humanitarian character, the
>participating States agree on the following. . .
>
>"(2). . . They consider that the rule of law does not mean
>merely a formal legality which assures regularity and
>consistency in the achievement and enforcement of
>democratic order, but justice based on the recognition and
>full acceptance of the supreme value of the human
>personality and guaranteed by institutions providing a
>framework for its fullest expression."
>
>"(3) They reaffirm that democracy is an inherent element of
>the rule of law. They recognize the importance of pluralism
>with regard to political organizations."
>
>"(4) They confirm that they will respect each other's right
>freely to choose and develop, in accordance with
>international human rights standards, their political, social,
>economic and cultural systems. In exercising this right, they
>will ensure that their laws, regulations, practices, and policies
>conform with their obligations under international law and
>are brought into harmony with the provisions of the
>Declaration on Principles and other CSCE commitments."
>
>"(5) They solemnly declare that among those elements of
>justice which are essential to the full expression of the
>inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all
>human beings are the following. . ."
>
>". . . (5.4) -- a clear separation between the State and political
>parties; in particular, political parties will not be merged with
>the state. . ."
>
>". . . (7) To ensure that the will of the people serves as
>the basis of the authority of government, the participating
>states will. . ."
>
>"(7.4) -- ensure . . . that (votes) are counted and reported
>honestly with the official results made public;"
>
>"(7.5) -- respect the right of citizens to seek political or public
>office, individually or as representatives of political parties or
>organizations, without discrimination."
>
>
> RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE
> INTERNATIONAL COVENANT OF 5 OCTOBER 1977
> REFERENCED ABOVE
>
>The States Parties to the present Covenant. . . Recognizing
>that. . . the ideal of free human beings enjoying civil and
>political freedom and freedom from fear and want can only
>be achieved if conditions are created whereby everyone may
>enjoy his civil and political rights, as well as his economic,
>social, and cultural rights, Considering the obligation of
>States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote
>universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and
>freedoms. . . Agree upon the following articles. . .
>
>Article 2. (1) Each State Party to the present Covenant
>undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within
>its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights
>recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of
>any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion,
>political or other opinion, national or social origin, property,
>birth, or other status.
>
>(2) Where not already provided for by existing legislative or
>other measures, each State Party to the present Covenant
>undertakes to take the necessary steps, in accordance with its
>constitutional processes and with the provisions of the
>present Covenant, to adopt such legislative or other measures
>as may be necessary to give effect to the rights recognized in
>the present Covenant. . .
>
>Article 3. The States Parties to the present Covenant
>undertake to ensure the equal right of men and women to
>the enjoyment of all civil and political rights set forth in the
>present Covenant. . .
>
>Article 25. Every citizen shall have the right and the
>opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in
>article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions: (a) to take
>part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through
>freely chosen representatives; (b) to vote and to be elected at
>genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and
>equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot,
>guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors; (c)
>to have access, on general terms of equality, to public service
>in his country.
>
>Article 26. All persons are equal before the law and are
>entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of
>the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any
>discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and
>effective protection against discrimination on any ground
>such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other
>opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, or other
>status.
>
>
>
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>There will be no peace without freedom.
>Think Globally -- Act Locally.
>Resist Much. Obey Little.
>Question Authority.
>
>Comments from Bob Waldrop are the responsibility of Bob
>Waldrop! For a good time call 415-457-6388.
>
>E-Mail: Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org
>Snail Mail: P.O. Box 526175
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84152-6175
> United States of America
>Voice Phone: (801) 582-3318
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>
>
>
>--
> Don't blame me; I voted Libertarian.
>Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1993 Rich Thomson
>UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson Rich Thomson
>Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com IRC: _Rich_ PEXt Programmer
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David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
When the words fold open,
it means the death of doors;
even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner)
|
5248 | From: aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Austin Harris)
Subject: BC200XLT Handheld Radio Scanner
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
Hello,
I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire,
ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc. The unit is in
original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and
battery charger. Price is $200 plus s/h.
Austin Harris
aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu
|
5249 | From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
Lines: 13
Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30
>>
>> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40
>> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.
Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will
feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel
your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all
kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming
hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest)
way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and
stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should
do it.
|
5250 | From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)
Subject: Buying a high speed v.everything modem
Article-I.D.: rs6000.1993Apr20.001127.4928
Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)
Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club
Lines: 26
Just a quick summary of recent findings re. high speed modems. Top three
contenders seem to be AT&T Paradyne, ZyXEL, and US Robotics. ZyXEL has the
biggest "cult following", and can be had for under $300, but I ignored it
because I need something with Mac software, which will work without any
tweaking.
The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are
backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in
effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two
modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables &
all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order
directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and
they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty...
USR Sportster for the Mac is also highly (but not as highly) recommended;
it's only $250 from ClubMac, and if you are willing to roll your own cable
and don't care about the FAXstf software, you can get the generic model
from PC outlets for $190.
All this assuming that you don't have a rich uncle, and can't afford a
Motorola Codex... :-( I ended up ordering the Dataport; we'll see how
it works in two weeks or so.
--
Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department
behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!)
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5251 | From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu)
Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
A slightly used (less than two months old) SupraFaxModem is for sale.
It comes with latest ROM 1.2H, communication software, fax software,
original manuals, and the original registration card.
Here are some specs:
Model # : SUPFAXV32BIS
Description : SupraFaxModem V.32bis
Type : Internal
Data Speed : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400/1200/300 bps data
(upto 57000bps with V.42 data compression)
Protocols : Bell 103/212A,CCIT V.21/V.22/V.22bis/V.32/V.32bis/V.42/
: V.42bis, MNP 2-5, & MNP 10
Fax : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400 bps send/receive fax
: Class 1 & 2 commnads
: Group III compatible
Transmission: V.17,V.29,V.27ter
other :
non-volatile memory; autoanswer/autodial (tone or pulse);
extended AT commands and result codes; includes diagnostics,
phone jacks, subscriptions to free online services.
5 year warranty.
Asking : $180 (neg.) + S/H
If interested, please e-mail.
Thanks!
|
5252 | From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: 1993 NHL Draft
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr20.184627.4585@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
>As for the picks
>Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will
>go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec. IMO I would
>take Kariya. He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in
>the World Championships. Daigle didn't show this for his junior team.
>
>San Jose will then get Kariya.
>
>Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a
> defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong)
The last name is Niedermayer, as in New Jersey's Scott's last name, because
(you guessed it) they are brothers. But Rob Niedermayer is a center, not
a defenseman.
I am not sure that the Sharks will take Kariya. They aren't saying much, but
they apparently like Niedermayer and Victor Kozlov, along with Kariya. Chris
Pronger's name has also been mentioned. My guess is that they'll take
Niedermayer. They may take Pronger, except that they already have too many
defensive prospects.
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GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe!
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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5253 | From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Palmer)
Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 23
In article <1qknu0INNbhv@shelley.u.washington.edu> sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>In article <f1VMPxk@quack.kfu.com> pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>In article <bskendigC5H4o3.D5p@netcom.com>
>>
>>Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! "Nailed" to a
>>wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation?
>
>Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb.
>Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull.
>
>If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion,
>do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been
>reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not
>on the Endangered Species List.
>
>
How about Cockroaches?
--
***************************** porta@wam.umd.edu ****************************
What for you say you monkey when you have little fluffy tail
like rabbit, rabbit!
Tazmanian Devil
|
5254 | From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Lines: 33
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu
In article <1ql8mdINN674@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether
>>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden
>>>by the US Constitution.
>>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by "cruel", which is why
>>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer
>>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the
>>word "cruel".
>
>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They
>picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked
>in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient?
We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers
consider cruel and unusual punishment?
Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very
painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine.
Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those
days ], etc.
All would be considered cruel under your definition.
All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers.
---
" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "
John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word.
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5255 | Subject: Re: Albert Sabin
From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota)
Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.
Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie
Lines: 112
In article <1993Apr15.231515.19982@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>In article <C5FtJt.885@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>|>
>|> [earlier dialogue deleted]
>|>
>|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating
>|> >|> to questions of science.
>|>
>|> [it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells]
>|>
>|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is
>|> > based on more than science alone.
>|>
>|> Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle
>|> why and who.
>
> The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the
> supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise?
Not entirely. Its not a premise, its a conclusion. Second, that scientists
(for the most part) exlude the possibility is not a problem, its a necessity.
Scientists are empircists, not theologians.
> I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of
> truth.
So do scientists, and long before you did. Clearly you have a deep and
fundamental misunderstanding of science.
>|>
>|> > If you met a man who could walk on
>|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and
>|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect
>|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.)
>|>
>|> Nope, wouldn't affect my knowledge (not belief) of origins of anatomically
>|> modern humans. If that man could show me something better, I'd change, even if
>|> it was the biblical story in exact detail. But then I would ask, "Why in the
>|> world did your father endow us with intellect and reason, and then proceed to
>|> fool us. I mean, the bible says nothing about the human-like creatures that we
>|> know exist.
>
> Some of these so-called human-like creatures were apes. Some were
> humans. Some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments.
Absolutely and utterly false (except for some were AMHs). Lucy (Australopithecus
afarensis, ca. 3 to 3.25 mya) is 40% complete, and about 80% taking into
consideration bilateral symmetry. Lucy walked upright and bipedally, just
like humans, and the two share a remarkably similar dental pattern. Her
cranial morphology is unlike humans or modern apes. There are hundreds of
other specimens of this and other species, of which only some are *partially*
reconstructed. They exist Bill. You can touch them, feel them, hold them.
But forget hominids. The earth, the universe, the cultural record all look and
test out as ancient indeed. They are not reconstructions. Has God has tricked
us here too? It won't go away, Bill.
>
>|>
>|> I doubt any of us will meet a man like this. But, Bill, if your version of all
>|> this is absolutely correct, I'm still no worried about my salvation. I'll
>|> probaby make it (I don't steal, murder, covet, etc, and I like to help other
>|> people). All I did was use the reason and intellect your god provided.
>|> He or she - benevolent and loving - will understand my dilemma, don't you
>|> think?
> Good deeds do not justify a person in God's sight.
> An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin.
So *you* and other fundamentalists say. What about the billions who don't
say so? Beware of people who say they have the truth, Bill, and reconsider
each time you think you do.
>|>
>|> > Science and
>|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific
>|> > "laws" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the
>|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos.
>|>
>|> Haven't been on t.o. long, but I have a feeling, Bill, that the veterans will
>|> agree with you here. No contradiciton, and god *can* do anything at will. So,
>|> what's the beef? (or more properly, "where's")
>
> My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree.
That was not your point, Bill. Your point above was God *has* the power ....
Scientists generally agree with that. That's a far cry from saying God did.
Please attempt to understand your own posts.
>|>
>|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the
>|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed,
>|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you
>|> > are interested.
>|>
>|> Its not a laugher, Bill. Its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree
>|> with. I am definitely (and seriously) interested in confirmation. I know of
>|> the bible, inferences therefrom (e.g., prophecies), apocrypha, the Koran and
>|> others. What I am interested is independent evidence. Do you have any? I
>|> know of Josephus, but this is almost certainly an insertion. Also I know of a
>|> few Roman documents (e.g., Pliny), but these deal only with early Christians.
>|> Do you have any independent evidence? I am most interested. Please Email or
>|> post. Thanks, and best regards.
>
> I'll send you some info via e-mail.
> Regards, Bill.
I have your info, and I have replied - several days ago. Hope you have it.
Somehow your post above appeared at my server only today.
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
|
5256 | From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell
Organization: University of Central Florida
Lines: 70
db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
>Mark Schnitzius writes:
>>> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
>>>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such.
>>
>>This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings
>>die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one "wail
>>and gnash teeth" with no lungs and no teeth?
>One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the
>doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after
>the great judgement. "We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the
>life of the world to come." - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You
>will have both body and soul in hell - eventually.
Now this is getting interesting!
I was raised Roman Catholic before becoming an atheist, so I have stated
this Creed you quote nearly every Sunday until I was about 18. For some
reason, I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the
resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean
the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point:
1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was
pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right
now. You seem to be implying that it will not occur until after the
"great judgement" (which I read as meaning the proverbial Judgment Day).
I was always a little confused on this point, even when I was with the
church -- maybe someone can clear it up for me. Where will my "soul"
(which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time?
2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms
that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? My
physical body now is susceptible to aging, etc. -- so I guess my
new body will have to be radically different in order to be immortal
so it can be tortured for all eternity?
3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical
place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth?
Do you think we could find it if we dig?
Mark Schnitzius
schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu
Univ. of Central Florida
[There is not complete agreement on the details of the afterlife. I
think the most common view is that final disposition does not occur
until a final judgement, which is still in the future. In the
meantime, some believe that people "sleep" until the final
resurrection (or because God is above time, pass directly from death
to the future time when the resurrection occurs), while others believe
that souls have a disembodied, pre-resurrection existence until then.
There are probably other alternatives that I'm omitting.
The new body is generally conceived of being implemented in a
different "technology" than the current one, one which is not mortal.
(Paul talks about the mortal being raised to immortality, and Jesus'
resurrected body -- which is the first example -- clearly was not
subject to the same kind of limitations as ours.) It is assumed that
there are enough similarities that people will recognize each other,
but I don't think most people claim to know the details. I don't
think I'd say it's the same atoms. I'd assume there would be some
analog of a physical place, but I wouldn't expect to find it under the
earth or up in the sky. I'd suspect that it's in another dimension,
outside this physical world, or whatever. But again, we have little
in the way of details.
--clh]
|
5257 | From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes, Contacts Lenses & Radial Keratotomy
Organization: Icom Simulations
Lines: 22
In article <C5FI2H.Ew8@rice.edu> (jcn@rice.edu) writes:
> > I was going to try radial keratotomy, but they want over $2,000 per
> > eye!
> > That's a lot of contact lenses and sunglasses!
> >
>
> And a lot of money if they make one tiny mistake ;-O
>
> Jeff Nichols
Also if they don't get it exactly right or your eyes change
again, contacts to correct for it are out of the question.
This is due to the strange conical shape your cornea takes
after the surgery.
--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)
`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS
|
5258 | From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Subject: More on ADL spying case
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
Lines: 222
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu
Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1.
NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE
* INQUIRY: Transcripts reveal nearly 40 years of espionage
by a man who infiltrated political groups
By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer.
SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time
art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In
reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and
amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40
years.
His code name at the prominent Jewish organization was Cal, and he was
so successful at infiltrating political groups that he was once chosen
to head an Arab-American delegation that visited Rep. Nancy Pelosi
(D-San Francisco) in her Washington, D.C., office.
For a time, Cal tapped into the phone message system of the White
Aryan Resistance to learn of hate crimes. From police sources he
obtained privileged, personal information on at least 1,394 people.
And he met surreptitiously with agents of the South African government
to trade his knowledge for crisp, new $100 bills.
These are among the secrets that Bullock and David Gurvitz, a former
Los Angeles-based operative, divulged in extensive interviews with
police and the FBI in a growing scandal over the nation-wide
intelligence network operated by the Anti-Defamation League.
Officials of the Anti-Defamation League, while denying any improper
activity, have said they will cooperate with the investigation. They
have refused to discuss Bullock and Gurvitz.
Transcripts of the interviews -- among nearly 700 pages of documents
released by San Francisco prosecutors last week -- offer new details
of the private spy operation that authorities allege crossed the line
into illegal territory.
At times, the intelligence activities took on a cloak-and-dagger air
with laundered payments, shredded documents, hotel rendezvous with
foreign agents and code names like "Ironsides" and "Flipper."
On one occasion, Gurvitz recounts, he received a tip that a
pro-Palestinian activist was about to board a plane bound for Haifa,
Israel. Although the Anti-Defamation League publicly denies any ties
to Israel, Gurvitz phoned an Israeli consular official to warn him.
Shortly afterward, another official called Gurvitz back and debriefed
him.
The court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former CIA
agent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing
confidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation League.
Gerard fled to the Philippines last fall after he was interviewed by
the FBI, but left behind a briefcase in his police locker. Its
contents included passports, driver's licenses and identification
cards in 10 different names; identification cards in his own name for
four American embassies in Central America; and a collection of blank
birth certificates, Army discharge papers and official stationery from
various agencies.
Also in the briefcase were extensive information on death squads, a
black hood, apparently for use in interrogations, and photos of
blindfolded and chained men.
Investigators suspect that Gerard and other police sources gave the
ADL confidential driver's license or vehicle registration information
on a vast number of people, including as many as 4,500 members of one
target group, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee.
Each case of obtaining such data from a law enforcement officer would
constitute a felony, San Francisco Police Inspector Ron Roth noted in
an affidavit for a search warrant.
The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil
rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on
groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's
fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a
reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with
police agencies and journalists.
However, evidence seized from Bullock's computer shows he kept files
on at least 950 groups of all political stripes, including the
American Civil Liberties Union, Earth Island Institute, the United
Farm Workers, Jews for Jesus, Mother Jones magazine, the Center for
Investigative Reporting, the Bo Gritz for President Committee, the
Asian Law Caucus and the AIDS activist group ACT UP.
The computer files also included information on several members of
Congress, including Pelosi, House Armed Services Committee Chairman
Ron Dellums (D-Berkeley) and former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey
from the Bay Area.
In their statements, Bullock and Gurvitz said the Anti-Defamation
League has collected information on political activists in the Los
Angeles area for more than 30 years. They said they worked closely
with three Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies who specialized in
intelligence work, a Los Angeles Police Department anti-terrorism
expert and a San Diego County Sheriff's Department intelligence
officer.
A spokesman for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department said he knew
nothing of any contact between the deputies and the ADL. The Los
Angeles Police Department, which earlier refused to cooperate with the
investigation, and the San Diego Sheriff's Department declined
comment.
Bullock, 58, is one of the most intriguing characters in the spy
drama. Although he is not Jewish, he began working undercover as a
volunteer for the ADL and the FBI in Indiana in 1954 after reading a
book about a man who infiltrated the Communist Party.
Bullock moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and was given a paid position by
the ADL as an intelligence operative, he told authorities. In the
mid-1970s, he moved to San Francisco and continued his spy operations
up and down the West Coast.
To keep his identity secret, his salary has always been funneled
through Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman -- who has never
missed a payment in more than 32 years, Bullock said.
"I was an investigator for the ADL. I investigated any and all
anti-democratic movements," Bullock said. ". . . Officially, I'm only
a contract worker with Bruce Hochman. That way, the league would not
be officially connected with me."
Bullock said he became a master at infiltrating groups from Communists
to Arab-American to gay radicals to skinheads, usually using his own
name but once adopting the alias Elmer Fink.
"I'm one of a kind," he told police.
In recent years, however, his ADL affiliation has increasingly become
known, and at one point he was confronted by a skinhead armed with a
shotgun who threatened to kill him.
In the mid-1980s, he helped San Francisco police solve a bombing at a
synagogue by combing through the trash of extremist Cory Phelps and
matching handwriting with samples on a threatening letter obtained by
police. In part because of this investigation, he became close
friends with Gerard, who at the time was working in the San Francisco
police intelligence division.
Bullock frequently searched through the garbage of target groups. An
FBI report noted how he investigated one Palestinian group:
"Bullock would write reports based on what he found in the trash, and
would share the reports with Gerard. Bullock also gave the trash to
Gerard for Gerard to examine. Gerard would later return the trash to
Bullock."
From a wide range of sources, Bullock compiled files on 9,876
individuals and more than 950 political groups. Gerard, whose files
contained many identical entries, kept files on 7,011 people.
In 1987, Bullock and Gerard began selling some of their vast wealth of
information to the South African government. Bullock tells of
meetings secretly with South African agents at San Francisco hotels
and receiving envelopes filled with thousands of dollars in new $100
bills.
Bullock insists the information he sold consisted of data he culled
only from public sources. Once he rewrote an innocuous item published
by San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen about South African
Bishop Desmond Tutu and the wife of prominent attorney Melvin Belli --
and submitted it as his own work.
Bullock said it was Gerard who sold official police intelligence.
Bullock said he split about $16,000 from the South African government
evenly with Gerard, telling him at one point, "I may be gay but I'm a
straight arrow."
In his interviews with the police and FBI, Bullock talked freely about
engaging in certain activities that prosecutors say would appear to
violate the law.
For example, Bullock admitted to receiving driver's license records
and criminal histories from Gerard on about 50 people -- a fraction of
the confidential police data found in his computer. And he said
Gerard gave him complete San Francisco Police Department intelligence
files on various Nazi groups that were supposed to be destroyed under
department policy.
Bullock said he also received a confidential FBI report on the Nation
of Islam that he later shredded at the Anti-Defamation League's San
Francisco office.
Bullock seemed proud of his "Operation Eavesdrop," in which he used a
paid informant, code-named Scumbag, to help tap into a White Aryan
Resistance phone message network, listening to the messages left by
members of the right-wing group. "For a short time, it was
wonderful," he told police.
In Los Angeles, ADL operative Gurvitz was hired about four years ago
as a "fact-finder" to keep intelligence files and occasionally go
undercover to the meetings of target groups.
Among other things, he told San Francisco authorities, the Los Angeles
ADL office kept a record of any Arab-American who had "anti-Israel
leanings" or who wrote a letter to a newspaper expressing such
sentiment.
Gurvitz was recently forced to resign after an incident in which he
attempted to misuse the ADL intelligence network to seek revenge on a
rival who got a job Gurvitz wanted at the Simon Wiesenthal Center for
Holocaust Studies. Gurvitz got confidential police data on the rival
and threatened to expose him as a Jewish spy to a right-wing hate
group.
Gurvitz has since begun cooperating with police and the FBI in the
probe, providing considerable information about the ADL operation.
Unlike Bullock, he has been assured he is not a subject of the
investigation.
Gurvitz declined through his father in Los Angeles to be interviewed
by The Times. Bullock's attorney said his client would not comment.
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu
|
5259 | From: orobles@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Oscar B Robles)
Subject: FORSALE: NEW HP48SX WITH SOFTWARE.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 10
I bought my HP48sx calculator a month ago, used once but put it back in the
box. Includes manual and I'm including about 7 high density disks packed with
dozens if not hundreds of games and programs. All you need to do is buy the
pc cable for around $20 bucks so you could use the software.
$255 shipping included or best offer.
Thanx.l
|
5260 | From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Winjet accelerator card
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
In <C5r1yA.3EF@unix.portal.com> wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) writes:
> WinJet is not a video card -- it's _printer_ accelerator manufactured
> by LaserMaster (Eden Prairie, MN).
I know there's a WinJet for the LaserJet and there's also a WinJet accelerator
video card. This is probably not available in the US, but I am sure it is
being marketed in Canada. I thought you guys over there would have heard some-
thing about it.
|
5261 | From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)
Subject: Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center
Lines: 16
Distribution: world
Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov
> Another legend with the name Vulcan was the planet, much like Earth,
> in the same orbit
There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its
name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the
Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. Turns out that that planet
was the exact mirror image of Earth and all its inhabitants looked like
the Earthings with the difference that their organs was in the opposite
side like the heart was in the right side instead in the left and they
would shake hands with the left hand and so on...
C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV
C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov
Claudio Oliveira Egalon
|
5262 | From: car@public.btr.com (Carlos Rimola-Sarti car@btr.com)
Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems?
Organization: BTR UNIX BBS and Email hub. For info about BTR contact support@btr.com
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: public.btr.com
Keywords: sound board CD-ROM toshiba
In article <1993Apr16.033258.27998@serval.net.wsu.edu> msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes:
Once in a while you have to put in a good word for something that works
well. I have had no problems with my Toshiba 3401. It works very well with
DOS and OS/2. For OS/2, you don't need to load any special drivers. The
installation will detect that it is a Toshiba drive and you are done.
BTW, it's also very fast!
+---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
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| Connective Strategies, Inc. | car@btr.com |
| ISDN PRI Connectivity | phone: 415-903-2585 |
+---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
|
5263 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>So how do you then explain sudden violent behavior of human beings?
>Your theory would state that the more the human is detached from
>primitive behavior, the more violent and non-moralistic the human
>becomes (please correct me if my understanding was wrong). So
>you have this bifurcation point where a madman is killing people
>from the roof of a campus. Could you explain how your 'theory'
>explains such a situation?
Madmen are mad. Do we try to explain the output from a broken computer?
I think not.
keith
|
5264 | From: tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent)
Subject: Am I going to Hell?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Lines: 12
I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but
definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion
about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the
effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus
as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew,
buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not
believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be
lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only
god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.
Thanks,
-Tim
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5265 | From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll)
Subject: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Opening (part 2 of 2)
Article-I.D.: toad.32195
Expires: 7 May 93 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: chongo@toad.com.UUCP (Landon C. Noll)
Distribution: world
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco
Lines: 1382
Enclosed are the rules, guidelines and related information for the 10th
International Obfuscated C Code Contest. (This is part 2 of a 2 part
shar file).
Enjoy!
chongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\oo/\
Larry Bassel
=-=
#!/bin/sh
# This is part 02 of a multipart archive
# ============= mkentry.c ==============
echo "x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c &&
X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.24 3/1/93 02:28:49 */
X/*
X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use
X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its
X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior
X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X */
X/*
X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry
X *
X * usage:
X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry
X *
X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry
X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built
X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file
X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file
X *
X * compile by:
X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry
X */
X/*
X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992.
X *
X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
X */
X/*
X * WARNING:
X *
X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt
X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that
X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program
X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be
X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry.
X *
X * Send questions or comments (but not entries) about the contest, to:
X *
X * ...!{sun,pacbell,uunet,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges
X * judges@toad.com
X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain all 3 of them, send Email
X * to the address above and use the subject 'send rules'.
X *
X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this
X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR
X * define below matches this current year.
X */
X
X#include <stdio.h>
X#include <ctype.h>
X#include <time.h>
X#include <sys/types.h>
X#include <sys/stat.h>
X
X/* logic */
X#ifndef TRUE
X# define TRUE 1
X#endif /* TRUE */
X#ifndef FALSE
X# define FALSE 0
X#endif /* FALSE */
X#define EOF_OK TRUE
X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE
X
X/* global limits */
X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */
X#define START_DATE "1Mar92 0:00 UTC" /* first confirmation received */
X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */
X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting
X whitespace and {}; not followed by
X whitespace or EOF */
X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */
X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */
X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */
X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */
X
X/* where to send entries */
X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 "...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"
X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 "obfuscate@toad.com"
X
X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */
X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff])
X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */
X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_NAME "build" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_NAME "prog.c" /* name for the program's uuencode file */
X
X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */
Xchar encode_str[256+1] = "`!\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_";
X
X/* global declarations */
Xchar *program; /* our name */
Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */
X
X/* forward declarations */
Xvoid parse_args();
Xvoid usage();
XFILE *open_remark();
XFILE *open_build();
XFILE *open_program();
XFILE *open_output();
Xvoid output_entry();
Xvoid output_remark();
Xvoid output_author();
Xvoid output_info();
Xvoid output_build();
Xvoid output_program();
Xvoid output_end();
Xint get_line();
Xvoid output_till_dot();
Xint col_len();
Xvoid check_io();
Xvoid uuencode();
X
Xmain(argc, argv)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X{
X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */
X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */
X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */
X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */
X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */
X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */
X
X /*
X * check on the year
X */
X start_time = time((long *)0);
X tm = gmtime(&start_time);
X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n",
X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year);
X }
X
X /*
X * parse the command line args
X */
X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname);
X
X /*
X * open/check the input and output files
X *
X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same
X * as one of the input files.
X */
X output = open_output(oname);
X remark = open_remark(rname);
X build = open_build(bname);
X prog = open_program(pname);
X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) {
X exit(1);
X }
X
X /*
X * output each section
X */
X output_entry(output, oname);
X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname);
X output_author(output, oname);
X output_info(output, oname);
X output_build(output, oname, build, bname);
X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname);
X output_end(output, oname);
X
X /*
X * flush the output
X */
X if (fflush(output) == EOF) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: flush error in %s: ", program, oname);
X perror("");
X exit(2);
X }
X
X /*
X * final words
X */
X printf("\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n",
X oname);
X printf("correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n");
X printf("correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n");
X printf("This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n");
X printf("cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n");
X printf("It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n");
X printf("the current rules.\n\n");
X printf("Email your entries to:\n");
X printf("\t%s\n", ENTRY_ADDR1);
X printf("\t%s\n\n", ENTRY_ADDR2);
X printf("Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n");
X printf("\tioccc entry\n\n");
X /* all done */
X exit(0);
X}
X
X/*
X * parse_args - parse the command line args
X *
X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the
X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command
X * line syntax is correct.
X */
Xvoid
Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */
X{
X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */
X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */
X int i;
X
X /*
X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand.
X */
X program = argv[0];
X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) {
X
X /* determine the flagname */
X if (argv[i][0] != '-') {
X usage(1);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X flagname = (int)argv[i][1];
X
X /* determine the flag's operand */
X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') {
X optarg = &argv[i][2];
X } else {
X if (i+1 >= argc) {
X usage(2);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X } else {
X optarg = argv[++i];
X }
X }
X
X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */
X switch (flagname) {
X case 'r':
X *rname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'b':
X *bname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'p':
X *pname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'o':
X *oname = optarg;
X break;
X default:
X usage(3);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X }
X
X /*
X * verify that we have all of the required flags
X */
X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) {
X usage(4);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * usage - print a usage message and exit
X *
X * This function does not return.
X */
Xvoid
Xusage(exitval)
X int exitval; /* exit with this value */
X{
X fprintf(stderr,
X "usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n", program);
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n");
X exit(exitval);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_remark - open/check the remark file
X *
X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend
X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_remark(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */
X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */
X
X /*
X * open the remark input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open remark file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * look at each line
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) {
X
X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */
X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, " ", 4) != 0) {
X ++non_indent;
X }
X
X /* count long lines */
X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) {
X /* found a line that is too long */
X ++toolong;
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* note long lines if needed */
X if (toolong > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n",
X program, toolong, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */
X if (non_indent > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n",
X program, non_indent, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_build - open/check the build file
X *
X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_build(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X
X /*
X * open the how to build input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_program - open/check the program source file
X *
X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of
X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must
X * be <= 1536 bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_program(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X int count; /* special count size */
X int c; /* the character read */
X
X /*
X * open the program source input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(7);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars
X */
X count = 0;
X c = 0;
X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) {
X /* look at non-whitespace */
X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) {
X switch (c) {
X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */
X case '}':
X case ';':
X /* peek at next char */
X c = fgetc(stream);
X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) {
X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */
X ungetc(c, stream);
X ++count;
X }
X break;
X default:
X ++count;
X break;
X }
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* look at the special size */
X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n",
X program, filename, count);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_output - open/check the entry output file
X *
X * This function returns NULL on open error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_output(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X
X /*
X * open the ioccc entry output file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "w");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(8);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_entry(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int entry=0; /* entry number */
X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */
X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */
X char skip; /* input to skip */
X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */
X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---entry---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the rule year
X */
X fprintf(output, "rule:\t%d\n", RULE_YEAR);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if this is a fix */
X printf("Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ");
X printf("previous entry (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\ty\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X printf("\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n");
X printf("are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n");
X } else {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\tn\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /*
X * write the title
X */
X printf("\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n");
X printf("followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n",
X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1);
X printf("It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n");
X printf("incorporate your username; in the\n");
X printf("case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n");
X printf("of the authors.\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X do {
X /* prompt and read a line */
X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) {
X printf("\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */
X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) ||
X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) {
X printf("\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X } else {
X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X if (!isascii((int)*p) ||
X !(isalnum((int)*p) ||
X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) {
X printf("\ninvalid character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X }
X }
X }
X } while (ok_line <= 0);
X fprintf(output, "title:\t%s", title);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the entry number
X */
X printf("\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY);
X printf("enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: ", MAX_ENTRY-1);
X do {
X /* get a valid input line */
X fflush(stdout);
X ret = fscanf(stdin, "%d[\n]", &entry);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X /* skip over input until newline is found */
X do {
X skip = fgetc(stdin);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X if (skip != '\n') {
X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */
X entry = -1;
X }
X } while (skip != '\n');
X
X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */
X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) {
X printf(
X "\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY-1);
X printf("enter the entry number: ");
X }
X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1);
X fprintf(output, "entry:\t%d\n", entry);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the submission date
X */
X /* returns a newline */
X epoch_sec = time(NULL);
X fprintf(output, "date:\t%s", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec)));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the OS/machine host information
X */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "host:");
X}
X
X/*
X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */
X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---remark---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * copy the remark file to the section
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) {
X fputs(buf, output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */
X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') {
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X}
X
X/*
X * output_author - output the ---author--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section.
X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_author(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */
X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for the author section
X */
X printf("\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n");
X printf("%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n", START_DATE);
X printf("will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n");
X
X /*
X * place author information for each author in an individual section
X */
X do {
X
X /* write the start of the section */
X fprintf(output, "---author---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the author */
X printf("\nAuthor #%d name: ", ++auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nname too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "name:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the organization */
X printf("\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("\nAuthor #%d org: ", auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "org:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("your country and do not include your name.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "addr:");
X
X /* write the Email address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf(
X "a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n");
X printf("forms, list them one per line.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "email:");
X
X /* write the anonymous status */
X printf("\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? ",
X auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "anon:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if there is another author */
X printf("\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X more_auths = TRUE;
X } else {
X more_auths = FALSE;
X }
X } while (more_auths == TRUE);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s)
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section.
X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_info(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */
X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */
X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */
X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for info information
X */
X printf("\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n");
X printf("For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n");
X printf("information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n");
X printf("the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n");
X
X /*
X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it
X */
X printf("Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X while (yorn[0] == 'y') {
X
X /* read the filename */
X printf("\nEnter the info filename: ");
X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) {
X printf("\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X
X /* compute the basename of the info filename */
X /* remove the trailing newline */
X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1];
X *uuname = '\0';
X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */
X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) {
X if (*uuname == '/') {
X ++uuname;
X break;
X }
X }
X
X /* attempt to open the info file */
X infile = fopen(infoname, "r");
X if (infile == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: ",
X program, infoname);
X perror("");
X continue;
X }
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---info---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* uuencode the info file */
X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname);
X
X printf("\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X };
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_build - output the ---build--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */
X char *bname; /* name of the build file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---build---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_program - output the ---program--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */
X char *pname; /* name of program file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---program---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_end - output the ---end--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_end(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X /*
X * write the final section terminator
X */
X fprintf(output, "---end---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * get_line - get an answer from stdin
X *
X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and
X * read in the answer.
X *
X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the
X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does
X * not return if ERROR or EOF.
X */
Xint
Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol)
X char *buf; /* input buffer */
X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */
X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */
X{
X int length; /* the length of the input line */
X
X /* flush terminal output */
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* read the line */
X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) {
X /* report the problem */
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* look for the newline */
X length = strlen(buf);
X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') {
X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */
X
X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */
X do {
X eatchar = fgetc(stdin);
X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n');
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* watch for long lines, if needed */
X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) {
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* return length */
X return length;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read
X *
X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including)
X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is:
X *
X * leader:\tfirst line
X * \tnext line
X * \tnext line
X * ...
X *
X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int count; /* lines read */
X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */
X
X /* instruct the user on how to input */
X printf("\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n");
X
X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */
X count = 0;
X while (!done) {
X /* issue the prompt */
X printf("%s\t", (count>0) ? "" : leader);
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* get the line */
X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* note if '.' was read */
X if (strcmp(buf, ".\n") == 0) {
X done = TRUE;
X }
X
X /* write line if we read something */
X if (!done) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t%s", (count++>0) ? "" : leader, buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X }
X
X /* if no lines read, at least output something */
X if (count <= 0) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t.\n", leader);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach
X *
X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach
X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed
X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ...
X */
Xint
Xcol_len(string)
X char *string; /* the string to examine */
X{
X int col; /* current column */
X char *p; /* current char */
X
X /* scan the string */
X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X /* note the column shift */
X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1;
X }
X if (*p == '\n') {
X --col;
X }
X
X /* return the highest column */
X return col;
X}
X
X/*
X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream
X *
X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error.
X */
Xvoid
Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok)
X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */
X char *name; /* the name of this stream */
X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */
X{
X /* test for I/O error */
X if (ferror(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: error on %s: ", program, name);
X perror("");
X exit(1);
X
X /* test for EOF */
X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: EOF on %s\n", program, name);
X exit(1);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * uuencode - uuencode a file
X *
X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed
X * by the uuencode(1) utility.
X *
X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5)
X * 4.3BSD Reno man page.
X */
Xvoid
Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname)
X FILE *output; /* output file stream */
X char *oname; /* output filename */
X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */
X char *iname; /* input filename */
X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */
X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */
X{
X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */
X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */
X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */
X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * output the initial uuencode header
X */
X fprintf(output, "begin %o %s\n", umode, uname);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X
X /*
X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming
X * a single output line each time.
X */
X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) {
X
X /*
X * the first character is the length character
X */
X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert
X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits.
X */
X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) {
X
X /* bits 0 to 5 */
X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 6 to 11 */
X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 12 to 17 */
X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 18 to 23 */
X val = p[2]&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset())
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X }
X
X /* check the last read on the input file */
X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* write end of uuencode file */
X fprintf(output, "%c\nend\n", UUENCODE(filler));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X}
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0444 mkentry.c ||
echo "restore of mkentry.c failed"
set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1
if test "$Wc_c" != "33961"; then
echo original size 33961, current size $Wc_c
fi
# ============= obfuscate.info ==============
echo "x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info &&
X1993 Obfuscated contest information
X
XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is
Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety
Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing
Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X
XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of
Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space
Xpermits.
X
XHow to have your contest included in this file:
X
X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file,
X send a request to:
X
X judges@toad.com
X
X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to
X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest
X include a current description of the IOCCC.
X
X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must
X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and
X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your
X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests
X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file.
X
XOfficial Disclaimer: (pardon the officialese)
X
X The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated
X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the
X right to refuse to print information about a given contest.
X
X The information below was provided by the particular contest
X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the
X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents.
X
XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following
Xinformation about contents:
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest
X
X "The original obfuscated contest"
X
X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure.
X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated
X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) +
X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n.
X obfuscatory adj.
X
X GOALS OF THE CONTEST:
X
X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
X * To stress C compilers with unusual code.
X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
X
X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since
X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that mearly works
X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add
X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language.
X (see "The New Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond)
X
X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before
X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email
X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may
X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical
X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not
X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical
X closing date for contests are in early May.
X
X The contest rules are posted to comp.unix.wizards, comp.lang.c,
X misc.misc, alt.sources and comp.sources.d. If you do not have access
X to these groups, or if you missed the early March posting, you may
X request a copy from the judges, via Email, at;
X
X judges@toad.com -or- ...!{sun,uunet,utzoo,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges
X
X Previous contest winners are available via anonymous ftp from
X ftp.uu.net under the directory /pub/ioccc.
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest
X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall
X
X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too
X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules!
X
X Landon says: "Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993,
X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully
X something will be developed after Nov 1993."
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest
X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu)
X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl)
X
X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the
X PostScript programming language. Its purpose:
X
X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details.
X * To applaud those with the best tricks.
X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at
X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript
X programs ever.
X
X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their
X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide.
X
X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as
X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually
X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules
X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places.
X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu.
X
X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork,
X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and
X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award.
X
X The judges will choose the winners of each category.
X
X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High
X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of
X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets
X and other kinds of fractal functions.
X
X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University
X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup
X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX.
X .
X
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0444 obfuscate.info ||
echo "restore of obfuscate.info failed"
set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1
if test "$Wc_c" != "6257"; then
echo original size 6257, current size $Wc_c
fi
exit 0
--
Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1.
|
5266 | From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Quantum 240AT: is my cache working?
Organization: Mail Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 10
The Quantum LPS 240AT is supposed to have a 256K cache on the IDE
controller built into the card. Yet when I do a DOS DIR command
on my system, the disk is always accessed (I can hear the mechanical
movement of the heads). Why is this happening? Strangely, even
when I have smartdrive installed, every DIR command accesses the
disk. Did I somehow de-activate the cache? This is happening on each
of two machines with an LPS 240AT drive.
--
Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com
|
5267 | From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound?
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
Lines: 28
E.J. Draper <draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu> writes:
>If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the
>process. Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of
>interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that
>other physicians aren't aware of.
Maybe, maybe not. A new graduate would obviously be well trained (but
perhaps without sufficient experience). A radiologist trained 10 or
15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a
whole 'nuther matter. A OB who HAS trained in modern radiology technology
is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to
the former.
>Would you want a radiologist to
>deliver your baby? If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to
>read your ultrasound study?
If the radiologist is also trained in OB/GYN, why not?
John
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Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?
|
5268 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed
when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining.
they still mine coal in the midwest, but now it doesn't look like
the moon when theyare done.
pat
|
5269 | From: er+@cs.cmu.edu (Ekkehard Rohwedder)
Subject: Re: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: kurt.tip.cs.cmu.edu
Cc: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 11
In article <1r8anlINN60g@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) writes:
>program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that
>makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows!
(1) Did you check that a new *.grp file was actually created in your Windows
directory?
(2) Are you _turning off_ your computer when windows is running rather than
closing Program Manager?
-- Ekkehard
|
5270 | From: lmp8913@rigel.tamu.edu (PRESTON, LISA M)
Subject: Another CVIEW question (was CView answers)
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Lines: 12
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Has anybody gotten CVIEW to work in 32k or 64k color mode on a Trident
8900c hi-color card? At best the colors come out screwed up, and at worst the
program hangs. I loaded the VESA driver, and the same thing happens on 2
different machines.
If it doesn't work on the Trident, does anybody know of a viewer that
does?
Thanx!
LISA
|
5271 | From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
Lines: 99
nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
>>Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always
>>see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At
>>nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas
>>fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot
>>water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many
>>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive
>>contamination.
Actually the reasons you don't see so many cooling towers at fossil plants are
1) fossil units (multiple units per plant) are generally smaller than
nuclear plants. 300 MWe seemed to be a very popular size when many
fossil plants were built. The average nuclear plant is 1000 MWe. 2) many
fossil plants were grandfathered when water discharge regulations were
adopted ("why those old dirt burners can't harm anything, let 'em go.").
3) powered draft cooling towers, low enough to the ground to be generally
not visible from off-site, are quite popular with fossil plants. 4) fossil
plants used to get much less regulatory attention than nuclears.
> Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual
>boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry
>that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's
>more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system
>as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers.
> Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they
>usually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the
>way down to ambient. Some plants do cool the condensers with water,
>rather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about "thermal
>pollution" de-icing a river, said, "Up here, we view heat as a resource".
Actually the condensing environment is essentially the same for plants
of similar size. The issues are the same regardless of where the
heat comes from. Condensers are run at as high a vacuum as possible in
order to reduce aerodynamic drag on the turbine. The condenser pressure is
normally water's vapor pressure at the condensing temperature. It is
desirable that the steam exhaust be free of water droplets because
moisture in the steam causes severe erosion damage to the turbine
low pressure blades and because entrained water moving at high velocity
causes erosion of the condenser tubes. The coldest and thus lowest
pressure condensing environment is always the best.
A related issue is that of pumping the condensate from the hotwell (where
the water ends up after dripping off the condenser tubes.) Since the
condenser is at a very low pressure, the only force driving the
condensate into the hotwell pumps is gravity. If the condensate is too
hot or the gravity head is too low, the condensate will reflash into
steam bubbles and cause the condensate pumps to cavitate. This is a
particularly destructive form of cavitation that is to be avoided at all
costs.
The hotwell pumps are located in the lowest point in the plant
in order to provide a gravity head to the pumps. How much lower
they must be is a function of how hot the water is allowed to get in
the hotwell. Typically hotwell temperatures run between 100 and 120
degrees depending on the temperature of the river water (this term is
used to describe the river grade water even when the cooling tower
system is operating in closed loop mode and essentially no river water
is pumped.) When the river water temperature is high in the summer,
operators will typically allow the hotwell level to rise in order
to provide more gravity head. There is a tradeoff involved since higher
hotwell levels will encroach onto the condensing tubes and reduce the
condenser area.
At least in the East and elsewhere where moisture actually exists in the
air :-), the river water will almost always be cooler than the discharge
water from the cooling towers. The temperature of the discharge water
from the cooling towers is set by the ambient air temperature and
humidity. It is very rare in the East to hear of actual river water
temperatures exceeding 70 degrees. A vast difference from the typical
"95-95" days (95 degrees, 95% humidity) we see routinely in the East.
It is not unusual, particularly where the econazis have been successful
in clamping rigid discharge water temperature limits on a plant, for the
plant to have to reduce the firing rate when the air temperature gets
too high and the condenser cannot handle the heat load without excessive
pressure.
> Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers. The water used is
>purified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when
>the water boils. Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than
>cooling it, so the boiler water is recycled.
True. Actually secondary plant (the part that makes electricity and
feeds feedwater to the boiler) water chemistry has been the bastard
stepchild until recently and has not gotten the respect it deserves.
The plant chemists have just in the past decade or so fully understood
the costs of impure water. By "impure", I mean water with a few
dozen extra micromho of conductivity and/or a few PPM of dissolved
oxygen. Secondary water is now typically the most pure one will
find outside the laboratory.
John
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5272 | From: sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joel Sprechman )
Subject: Cleaning EuroWiper Boots?
Organization: UB
Lines: 15
Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu
I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair
since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now
I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need
a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove
them, is there a way? Or should I just buy black ones?
thanks
-Joel
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joel Sprechman sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu
University at Buffalo v069pff7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
"It's not a black/white thing, it's a homosapian thing"
"It takes a big man to cry, and an even bigger man to laugh at that man"
-Jack Handy
|
5273 | From: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes)
Subject: Sound Recording for Mac Portable?
Reply-To: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Lines: 14
Does anyone know what hardware is required and where I could find it for
sound recording on the Mac Portable.
Thanks
--
David Hughes |aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca
Secretary |
National Capital FreeNet |VE3 TKP
|
5274 | From: henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley)
Subject: Re: 68HC16 public domain software?
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-26.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Keywords: 68hc16
In article <murashiea.15@mail.beckman.com> writes:
> Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public
> domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor?
> I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C'
> compiler. Thanks in advance.
> Ed Murashie
Yep, at:
oak.oakland.edu
they have a couple different 68HC16 things in
/pub/msdos/emulators
and get the file
00-index.txt
for a list of what they have.
lige
|
5275 | Subject: MONITOR
From: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Reply-To: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055
Lines: 2
Tracy your monitor is on its way. Mike Damico
|
5276 | From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay)
Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal
Nntp-Posting-Host: virginia
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Lines: 42
In article <C5un2y.7Jn@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>>
>>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal
>>
>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
>>---------------------------------------------------------- by
>> Elias Davidsson
>>Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal.
>>
>>1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants
>>for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew
>>and the other Palestinian-Arab.
>...
>>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'
>>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on
>>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its
>>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a
>>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of
>>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the
>
> Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.
Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the
value or lack of value of Elias's "proposal". I just want to say
that it is very distressing that at least two people here are
profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT
like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite.
Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An
instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to
Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted,
and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were
considered not pure Gypsies but "mongrels" formed from the pure Gypsy
race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between
the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also
true that towards the end of WWII even the "purist" Gypsies were
hunted down as the theory was forgotten.
Brendan.
(email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au)
|
5277 | From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re:Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie
Lines: 20
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
>>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported
>>tht Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin
>>Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Philldelphia, Phillie will send
>>Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick
>>to Montreal.
>>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything.
> Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky
> trade to Toronto???? ^^^^^?!!!
Listen, *ASSHOLE*, I'm just commenting on what I heard
reported on the sports news!!
You'll notice my skeptical comment! Sheesh... I thought this group
wasfor conversation! Guess I was wrong. }-<
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca
|
5278 | From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: The University of Illinois
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu
In article <1r24bv$dif@apple.com>, earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) writes:
> >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a
> >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly
> >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?)
> >...
It is silly to make this statement. Fifteen minutes after the fire
started, the "official word" out of FBI headquaters in DC was
that the DV's committed suicide. It would seem logical that the
lantern story has more credibility. You can't even to pretend to
know for sure what happened... although Clinton is doing just that.
--
| Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu |
| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |
| Impeach Klinton |
|
5279 | From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home...
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Lines: 39
gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes:
>Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores),
>and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic
>over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the
>touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through
>their four brightness states.
>I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past
>my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption?
>What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects?
>The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road...
Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however,
that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs
for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt
radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet
away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding.
If you experience the problem frequently, it may be
caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station
nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio
transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire,
etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are
correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter.
If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite
chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably
being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can
be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them).
Good instructions are included with the chokes.
If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your
neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof
or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things
a radio operator can do to reduce interference.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea Informix Software, Inc.
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
|
5280 | From: ad@dcs.st-and.ac.uk (Tony Davie)
Subject: Re: NUTEK FACES APPLE'S WRATH (article!!!!!!) READ
Nntp-Posting-Host: bruichladdich.dcs.st-and.ac.uk
Organization: St.Andrews University
Lines: 24
In article <1993Mar31.221104.21890@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
> there isn't any copyright equivalent of the res ipsa doctrine,
> but there's something kind of similar. to show infringement, one
> element you need to show is that the defendant copied from your work.
> if you're lucky, you'll have direct evidence of copying - the smoking
> gun. normally, you do this through circumstantial evidence, by showing
> evidence of access from which one might reasonably infer copying.
> this evidence of access is considered along with the similarities
> between the two works in deciding whether you copied. however, if
> the similarities are so strong as to be "striking", an inference of
> copying may be drawn even without any evidence that the defendant had
> access to your copyrighted work.
>
> in that case, the burden will be on the defendant to rebut the inference
> of copying. for example, evidence that he'd been on a desert island for
> the last ten years and had no contact with civilization.
>
WOW! Now we know why lawyers are rich and computer scientists are poor!
Lawyers have to (sound as if they) understand this stuff.
|
5281 | From: jeremy@wildcat.npa.uiuc.edu (Jeremy Payne)
Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups
Organization: Neuronal Pattern Analysis, University of Illinois
Lines: 49
In article <735516045.1507@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
|> : Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4,
|> : Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup
|> : dialog boxes and so on.
|> :
|> : In example 3.5, page 76 : "Creating a pop-up dialog box"
|> :
|> : The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".
|> : The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of
|> : this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the
|> : first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time),
|> : it is *much* slower.
|> :
|> : Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get
|> : this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response
|> : time from 2nd time onwards ?
|> : Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time
|> : they popup in reasonable fast response time ?
|> :
|> : Thankyou - Shirley
|>
|> Thanks to those who responded.
|>
|> We were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods:
|>
|> 1) running twm rather than olwm
|> 2) keeping olwm, but putting "wmTimeout: 10" in the resources
|>
|> It has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the
|> window manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse
|> what is going on from this information, please post and let us know.
|>
|> Thanks -- Shirley
I ran in to this problem I while ago, and from what I remember you should use
XtTranslateCoordinates etc. after realizing the main widget to calculate
the location of the popup, then use something like XtVaSetValues on the
popup widgets before ever using them. Calling SetValues repeatedly (e.g.
every time something pops up) seems to be what slows you down. I never
delved deep enough to figure out exactly why though...
---------------------------
Jeremy Payne
UIUC Neuroscience program /
College of Medicine
jrpayne@uiuc.edu
(217)244-4478
---------------------------
|
5282 | From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas)
Subject: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together!
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 36
NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu
Alright, beat this automobile sighting.
Driving along just a hair north of Atlanta, I noticed an old, run down
former car dealership which appeared to deal with, and repair, older
rare or exotic foreign sports cars. I saw:
Ford GT-40 (!), the famous model from Ford, that seemed to win most of
its races in the late 60s, including Le-Mans 4 or 6 times.
Two Jensen Interceptors, one a convertable, one a hatchback?
Porsche 911 (boring compared to the rest)
THREE Ferarries, a Mondial, a 308 prepared for racing, and a red 60s model
that I couldn't identify.
And at the bottom, a late 70s MG convertable.
Outside there was a rotting Rover 3500 saloon, which was never regularly
sold in the U.S.
And in the showroom, there was a small italian body, either an Alpha Romeo
or a Lancia. It was about the size of an Austin Mini.
The trunklid was missing, exposing a boot with a voltage regulator
in the upper left corner of the wall, and a chunk of metal removed from
the floor on the right hand side as if something would leave the trunk
and go to the outside from here.
The taillights looked like they
would be the round type (if they were there). Does anyone know what the
make of this one is?
Certainly made my day...
--
Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah
Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah
Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah
|
5283 | From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Lines: 24
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1pslckINNmn0@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes...
>
>From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive
>device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking
>up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would
>be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of
>detecting whether some one had a radio in their car.
>
From my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet
circuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving
a fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The
detector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar
detector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there
are/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't
paid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the
roof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF.
I wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and
how much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector
in a proper RF shielded enclosure.
--
Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada <advax@triumf.ca>
finger advax@reg.triumf.ca for PGP key
|
5284 | From: Ivanov Sergey <serge@argus.msk.su>
Subject: Re: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode
Distribution: world
Organization: Commercial and Industrial Group ARGUS
Reply-To: serge@argus.msk.su
Lines: 7
> My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this
Can You report CRT and other register state in this mode ?
Thank's.
Serge Ivanov (serge@argus.msk.su)
|
5285 | From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)
Subject: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Lines: 224
[With Frank's permission, I have added some information here (and in
one case changed the order of his contributions) in order to clarify
the historical relationship of the views. My comments are based
primarily on William Rusch's historical summary in "The Trinitarian
Controversy", Fortress. I'm going to save this as an FAQ. --clh]
MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY
[SECOND CENTURY
The writers of the 2nd Cent. are important, because they set up much
of the context for the later discussions. Justin Martyr, Aristides,
Athenagoras, Tatian, and Theophilus of Antioch are known as the
"Apologists". Their theology has often been described as "Logos
theology". Based strongly on wording in John, they took more or less
a two-phase approach. Through eternity, the Logos was with the
Father, as his mind or thought. This "immanent Word" became
"expressed" as God revealed himself in history, ultimately in Jesus.
Thus Jesus' full distinction from the Father only became visible in
history, though the Logos had been present in God from eternity.
Rusch regards this view is containing many of the emphases of the
final orthodox position, but in a form which is less sophisticated,
because it did not have the technical language to properly deal with
the eternal plurality in the Godhead.
Irenaeus held views somewhat similar to the Apologists. However he
was uncomfortable with the two-stage approach. He still viewed God as
one personage, with distinctions that did not become fully visible
except through his process of self-revelation (the "economy"). The
distinctions are present in his essential nature. Irenaeus emphasized
the Holy Spirit more than the Apologists. Irenaeus' views should
probably be called "economic trinitarianism", though that term is
normally used (as below) to refer to later developments.
THIRD CENTURY
--clh]
Dynamic Monarchianism
Source: Theodotus
Adherents: Paul of Samosota, Artemon, Socinus, Modern Unitarians
Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God denotes both oneness of nature
and oneness of person. The Son and the Holy Spirit therefore are
consubstantial with the Father's divine essence only as impersonal attributes.
The divine dunamis came upon the man Jesus, but he was not God in the strict
sense of the word.
Perception of God's Subsistence: The notion of a subsistent God is a palpable
impossibility, since his perfect unity is perfectly indivisible. The
'diversity' of God is apparent and not real, since the Christ event and the
work of the Holy Spirit attest only to a dynamic operation within God, not to
a hypostatic union.
Asignation of Deity/Eternality:
Father: Unique originator of the universe. He is eternal, self-existent, and
without beginning or end.
Son: A virtuous (but finite) man in whose life God was dynamically present in
a unique way; Christ definitely was not deity though his humanity was deified.
Holy Spirit: An impersonal attribute of the Godhead. No deity or eternality
is ascribed to the Holy Spirit.
Criticism(s): Elevates reason above the witness of biblical revelation
concerning the Trinity. Categorically denies the deity of Christ and of the
Holy Spirit, thereby undermining the theological undergirding for the biblical
doctrine of salvation.
[In summary, this probably best thought of as not being Trinitarianism
at all. God is an undifferentiated one. Son and Holy Spirit are seen
as simply names for the man Jesus and the grace of God active in the
Church. --clh]
Modalistic Monarchianism
Source: Praxeas
Adherents: Noatus, Sabellius, Swedenborg, Scleiermacher, United Pentecostals
(Jesus Only)
Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God is ultra-simplex. He is
qualitatively characterized in his essence by one nature and person. This
essence may be designated interchangeably as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
They are different names for but identical with the unified, simplex God. The
three names are the three modes by which God reveals Himself.
Perception of God's Subsistence: The concept of a subsistent God is erroneous
and confounds the real issue of the phenomenon of God's modalistic manifesting
of himself. The paradox of a subsisting "three in oneness" is refuted by
recognizing that God is not three persons but one person with three different
names and corresponding roles following one another like parts of a drama.
Asignation of Deity/Eternality:
Father: Fully God and fully eternal as the primal mode or manifestation of
the only unique and unitary God
Son: Full deity/eternality ascribed only in the sense of his being another
mode of the one God and identical with his essence. he is the same God
manifested in temporal sequence specific to a role (incarnation).
Holy Spirit: Eternal God only as the tile designates the phase in which the
one God, in temporal sequence, manifested himself pursuant to the role of
regeneration and sanctification.
Criticism(s): Depersonalizes the Godhead. To compensate for its Trinitarian
deficiencies, this view propounds ideas that are clearly heretical. Its
concept of successive manifestations of the Godhead cannot account for such
simultaneous appearances of the three persons as at Christ's baptism.
[Rusch comments that evidence on these beliefs is sketchy. There are
actually two slightly different groups included: Noetus and his
followers, and Sabellius. Noetus was apparently more extreme.
Sabellius followed him, and attempted to use some features of economic
Trinitarianism to create a more sophisticated view. Unfortunately,
information about Sabellius comes from a century later, and there
seems to be some confusion between him and Marcellus of Ancyra. --clh]
[I've moved the following description to be with the other
third-century views. It originally appeared near the end. --clh]
"Economic" Trinitarianism
Source: Hippolytus, Tertullian
Adherents: Various "neo-economic" Trinitarians
Perception of God's Essence: The Godhead is characterized by triunity: Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit are the three manifestations of one identical,
indivisible substance. The perfect unity and consubstantiality are especially
comprehended in such manifest Triadic deeds as creation and redemption.
Perception of God's Subsistence: Subsistence within the Godhead is articulated
by means of such terms as "distinction" and "distribution" dispelling
effectively the notion of separateness or division.
Asignation of Deity/Eternality:
The equal deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is clearly elucidated in
observation of the simultaneous relational/operational features of the
Godhead. Co-eternality, at times, does not intelligibly surface in this
ambiguous view, but it seems to be a logical implication.
Criticism(s): Is more tentative and ambiguous in its treatment of the
relational aspect of the Trinity.
[Note that this is a development of the Apologists and Irenaeus, as
mentioned above. As with them, the threeness is visible primarily in
the various ways that God revealed himself in history. However they
did say that this is a manifestation of a plurality that is somehow
present in the Godhead from the beginning. Tertullian talks of
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as being three that are one in
substance. Many people regard this view as being essentially
orthodox, but with less developed philosophical categories. --clh]
[Origen, developing further an approach started by Clement, attempted
to apply neo-Platonism to Christian thought. He set many of the terms
of the coming battle. In Platonic fashion, he sees the Son as a
mediator, mediating between the absolute One of God and the plurality
of creating beings. The Son is generated, but he is "eternally
generated". That is, the relationship between Father and Son is
eternal. It cannot be said that "there was once when he was not" (a
phrase that will haunt the discussion for centuries). Having the Son
is intrinsic to his concept of God. The Father and Son are described
as separate "hypostases", though this may not have quite the meaning
of separate subsistence that it had in some contexts. The union is
one of love and action, but there is some reason to think that he may
have used the term homoousios ("of the same substance"). The Holy
Spirit is also an active, personal substance, originated by the Father
through the Son. Origen's intent is trinitarian, not tritheistic, but
he pushes things in the direction of separateness.
FOURTH CENTURY
--clh]
Subordinationism [often called Arianism --clh]
Source: Arius
Major Adherents: Modern Jehovah's Witnesses, and several other lesser known
cults
Perception of God's Essence: The inherent oneness of God's nature is properly
identifiable with the Father only. The Son and the Holy Spirit are discreet
entities who do not share the divine essence.
Perception of God's Subsistence: The unipersonal essence of God precludes the
concept of divine subsistence with a Godhead. "Threeness in oneness" is self-
contradictory and violates biblical principles of a monotheistic God.
Asignation of Deity/Eternality:
Father: The only one, unbegotten God who is eternal and without beginning.
Son: A created being and therefore not eternal. Though he is to be venerated,
he is not of the divine essence.
Holy Spirit: A nonpersonal, noneternal emanation of the Father. He is viewed
as an influence, an expression of God. Deity is not ascribed to him.
Criticism(s): It is at variance with abundant scriptural testimony respecting
the deity of both Christ and the Holy Spirit. Its hierarchial concept likewise
asserts three essentially separate persons with regard to the Father, Christ,
and the Holy Spirit. This results in a totally confused soteriology.
[Note also that in most versions of this view, the Son is not fully
human either. He is supernatural and sinless. That distinguishes this
view from adoptionism. --clh]
Orthodox Trinitarianism
Source: Athanasius
Adherents: Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Thomas
Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Contemporary orthodox Christianity
Perception of God's Essence: God's being is perfectly unified and simplex: of
one essence. This essence of deity is held in common by Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. The three persons are consubstantial, coinherent, co-equal, and co-
eternal.
Perception of God's Subsistence: The divine subsistence is said to occur in
three modes of being or hypostases. As such, the Godhead exists "undivided in
divided persons." This view contemplates an identity in nature and cooperation
in function without the denial of distinctions of persons in the Godhead.
Asignation of Deity/Eternality:
In its final distillation, this view unhesitatingly sets forth Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit as co-equal and co-eternal in the Godhead with regard to both
the divine essence and function.
Criticism(s): The only shortcoming has to do with the limitations inherent in
human language and thought itself: the impossibility of totally describing the
ineffable mystery of "three in oneness."
[At least in the 4th Cent, there were several different approaches, all
of which fit the description here, and all regarded as orthodox, but which
are somewhat different in detail. Nicea was originally held to respond
to Arius. Arius can be thought of as carrying Origen's thought a bit
too far, to the point of making the Son a separate entity. In general
the East tended to take an approach based on Origen's, and it was hard
to get acceptance of Nicea in the East. Its final acceptance was
based on the work of Athanasius with the Cappadocians: Gregory of Nyssa and
Gregory of Nazianzus, among others. While starting with three,
they show that their unity in nature and and action is such that one
must think of them as being a single God. This allowed the Council
of Constantinople, in 381, to get wide agreement on the idea of
three hypostatese and one ousia. --clh]
Adapted from _Charts of Christian Theology and Doctrine_, by H. Wayne House.
Frank
--
"If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out
of a thousand." JOB 9:3
|
5286 | From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge)
Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither
control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 24
In article <C5sLAs.B68@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <sandvik-190493200420@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire
>>on their house, killing most of the people inside.
>
>We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been
>the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and
>people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly
>disinterested observers.
>--
Nor, to point out the obvious, are the deluded, siege-mentality
followers of a religious nut-case who thought he was Jesus Christ or possibly
The Big Guy.
Personally, much as I regard the BATF and FBI as ConDupes, I'll take
their word over a bunch of silly pinks who were stoopid enough to lock
themselves up with a goofball like "David Koresh" in a makeshift arsenal.
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|
5287 | From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney)
Subject: Re: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 41
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>The main thing I just don't get is whether this chip implements
>symmetric or asymmetric cryptographic techniques. Anybody know?
I don't know, but I'm as willing to speculate as anyone.
Several people have suggested that the chips use public-key cryptography.
Another possibility is to use Diffie-Hellman key exchange, or some other
algorithm which has a similar effect. DH allows both ends to agree on
a session key which they use with symmetric cryptography (something
like DES) for the encryption.
How could the "back door" keys work in this system? I can see a few
possibilities. One is that the DH-like algorithm has the property that
the session key can be deduced by an eavesdropper who knows the back door
keys for one (or possibly both) communicants. Perhaps the random numbers
used in the DH are seeded by the back door key, or some such.
Another possibility, as was suggested here earlier, is that the chips
simply broadcast the session key, encrypted with the chip's own
internal secret key. In this system the back door keys are secret keys
usable for decrypting this session key broadcast. Actually the chip's
secret key doesn't need to be a public key in this usage, but can be
identical to the secret back-door key. (This proposal seems most
straightforward to me.)
Still another possibility is that the encryption algorithm used for the
message itself has a "dual key" property, that possession of either of
two keys can be used to decrypt it. One key would be the session key from
the DH exchange, and the other would be the back door key for the chip.
It's worth noting that one of the proposals Dorothy Denning raised
during her amazingly prescient on-line discussion last November and
December was a variation on Diffie-Hellman in which a third party would
participate in deriving the session keys. This doesn't quite fit into
what we know of how Clipper works but it hints that those who had early
knowledge of Clipper (or whose thinking was somehow synchronized with
Clipper designers) may have had Diffie-Hellman on their minds.
Hal Finney
|
5288 | From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante)
Subject: Atari Mono and VGA
Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University
Lines: 12
Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a
mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what
graphics card you used.
/Thanx
__ __ _ _
l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se
l l l l l / _ \ \ /
l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling
l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet
|
5289 | From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch)
Subject: Going to a Cubbies game ..
Keywords: tickets?, parking?, parka?
Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones
Distribution: usa
Lines: 30
Well, after suffering from an intense fit of Minnesota-induced cabin fever,
I've decided to road trip to Milwaukee and take in a couple of games this
weekend. A couple games at County stadium will be great to relieve tension,
but I thought "Why not go to Wrigley for a game too?"
I see the Cubs are playing the Phillies on Sat (2:05 start, I believe
that's Eastern time listed). I figured it would be fun to bounce down to
Wrigley for the day game and live it up a little. I'm wondering if anyone
(esp. Cubbie fans) have some advice on:
1) If I'm taking 41 (Skokie Hwy) south until it runs into 94, what's the
best way to get to Wrigley? I'm planning on getting there an hour or
two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy.
2) Is it probable that I'll be able to walk up and get bleacher seats (2 or
3) on game day? I figure since it's early in the year, Ryno's out and
the weather isn't great I should be able to get tickets. If not, what's
the best way to get advance tickets; can I call the Cubs' ticket office
directly and pick up tickets at the will call window?
3) Any advice on where to eat before or after the game?
4) Do they allow inflatable I-luv-ewe dolls (present from Lundy) into the
bleachers? :-)
--
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93
kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
|
5290 | From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)
Subject: Re: Candlestick Park experience (long)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Lines: 19
craige@sad.hp.com (Craig Eid) writes:
>These things should have been done a long time ago, but it took a real
>businessman (ex - Safeway President Peter Magowan) to figure it out. Just
>like he used to tell his checkers, "If the customers don't come back, I don't
>need as many checkers". This isn't a knock on Bob Lurie - he was a competent
>businessman but he didn't deal much with the general public.
Interesting article, Craig. It's amazing how hard it is to get baseball
teams to understand how to properly market their teams and treat their
customers. No other business could ever get away with the 19th century
attitudes that most current owners display in running their clubs. I guess the
owners look at baseball's high growth rate and ask why it's necessary
to bring 20th century business practices into the game, but they don't
realize how much more growth the game is capable of and how much they
pay in terms of long-term popularity by not doing better by the game
and its fans.
Greg
|
5291 | From: stevevr@tt718.ecs.comm.mot.com (Steve Vranyes)
Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.155.12
Lines: 32
In article <1993Apr1.213842.6086@ctp.com>, hubec@ctp.com (Hubert Chou) writes:
|> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly
|> with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code?
|>
|> Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome.
|>
|>
|> Hubie Chou
|> (617) 374-8454
|> hubec@ctp.com
|>
I don't know a great deal about the support for C++ in UIM/X, but I can tell
you that there is good support for it in TeleUSE. In TeleUSE you can call any
C++ method from a "D" module. What you can do then is to use the "D" language
for most of your interface code and then use C++ for you application code.
I should tell you that there is some real neat stuff coming out of TeleUSE soon
in regard to C++, but I can't give you many details. You should talk to your local sales rep and get the lowdown on what they will be doing in the near furture.
If you want example code of how C++ integrates with TeleUSE you should look at
$TeleUSE/examples/Thermometer
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| 1301 E. Algonquin Rd. |
| Schaumburg, IL 60196 |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
5292 | From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Bo was a good player, you shorts (plus idiots)
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 35
In article <1993Apr5.101636.1@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.030934.23187@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr4.133620.1@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes:
BO JACKSON 1963
1988 KCR 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 .253 67 .243 .288 .455
1989 KCR 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 .274 92 .259 .314 .507
1990 KCR 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 .286 77 .272 .343 .519
1991 CWS 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 .240 10 .225 .337 .394
MAJ 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 .270 246 .256 .316 .489
MAJ 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11
This is what Jackson looked like in 88-91, with everything converted
to a neutral park, on the basis of run production. His equivalent
average started at .253 in 88, was up to .274 in 89 and 286 in 90. So
let us say he had established, in his last two seasons, a .280 level
of play.
That is good. Very good, in fact. But it probably doesn't make the top
ten in the league. The 10th best EQA in the AL in 1992 was Dave
Winfield's .296; Thomas was first at .350. First in the NL was Bonds,
an incroyable .378; tenth was Bip Roberts, .297. But .280 is better
than any season in the past five years by Joe Carter; it is about what
Mattingly had in 1988 (.285); what Felix Jose had the last two years;
just ahead of Time Raines' five-year average; better than Ryan
Klesko's MLEs.
He got more attention from the media than was warranted from his
baseball playing, though; his hype was a lot better than his hitting.
That is the basis for the net.comments about him being overrated. The
media would have you beleive he was a great hitter. I think he was a
good, maybe very good hitter. He was IMO, something like the 30th best
hitter in the majors.
Clay D.
|
5293 | From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 25
Theodore A. Kaldis writes:
#> Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and
#> they are not prostitutes.
#No, I suppose they must be sluts.
Nope. They both are very nice women, whom I'm good friends with.
Or do you think its ok to rape anyone when you don't like the way they
dress?
#> Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments.
#Where?
Calling someone names, as you did. Are you ignorant of what an ad
hominem argument is?
#You provided absolutely no evidence, chump.
I provided a quote from the judge. What else do you want?
--
-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA
Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu
UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w
|
5294 | From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Lines: 4
I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel
diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.
--
Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
|
5295 | From: pest@konech.UUCP (Wolfgang Pest)
Subject: Speedstar 24 - how to program the TrueColor mode ?
Distribution: world
Organization: Kontron Elektronik GmbH Eching, Germany
Lines: 17
Hello,
I purchased my new 486 with a NoName graphics card installed which is obviously
Speedstar 24 compatible. Its name is "VGA 4000 TrueColor".
It is accompanied with some drivers and the utilities VMODE, XMODE and
at least one more MODE, as well as some drivers for Lotus, Windows, etc.
Only one of the drivers is told to provide the TrueColor mode, namely
the Windows 3.1 driver.
Nowhere else, except in the ad, is any pointer to the TrueColor mode.
Some articles in this group about the Speedstar 24 and some other facts
made me believe that my card is compatible to that one.
Does anybody out there know how this mode can be adjusted? How can I write
a driver which allows me to have 16.7 millions of colors with a resolution
of 640 x 480 with 45 Hz interlaced ?
Greetings,
Wolfgang
|
5296 | From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester)
Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50
Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception)
Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England
Lines: 25
In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes:
-| I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz
-| 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously
-| a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the
-| systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for
-| the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works
-| fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer
-| of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm)
-| might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some
-| suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications
-| problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)?
-| Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought
-| that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design).
-| Are there any MC68882RC33?
-|
-| Thanks
-| Christian
-|
Have you changed the crystal that clocks for the FPU. If you
haven't then it won't work.
Conrad
|
5297 | From: mufti@plsparc.UUCP (Saad Mufti)
Subject: FAQ for this group
Distribution: usa
Organization: Personal Library Software, Inc.
Lines: 11
Could some kind soul point me in the right direction for the
FAQ list for this group.
Thanks.
--------------------
Saad Mufti
Personal Library Software
e-mail : mufti@pls.com
|
5298 | From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh)
Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also!
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Distribution: comp
Lines: 27
> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done,
> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines
> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open
> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a
> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away
> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not
> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple
> monitor with 256 colors is used.
>
> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has
> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse.
I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16
colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is:
Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards
Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624)
I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my
new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a
window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter <return>.
My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is
anyone at Apple listening?
Pushpinder Singh
push@media.mit.edu
|
5299 | From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala)
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 21
In article <sandvik-150493144638@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>Looking at historical evidence such 'perfect utopian' islamic states
>didn't survive. I agree, people are people, and even if you might
>start an Islamic revolution and create this perfect state, it takes
>some time and the internal corruption will destroy the ground rules --
>again.
>
Nothing is perfect. Nothing is perpetual. i.e. even if it is perfect,
it isn't going to stay that way forever.
Perpetual machines cannot exist. I thought that there
were some laws in mechanics or thermodynamics stating that.
Not an atheist
BN
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