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5700 | From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Round Two
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Lines: 22
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered
>first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change
>their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities
>quickly.
And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal
appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change
their policies. The odds are about equal.
>I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion
>is cleared up to my satisfaction. I suspect about 5. We shall see.
You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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5701 | Subject: Re: Lexan Polish?
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)
Expires: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Microtec Research, Santa Clara, California, USA
Keywords: Lexan, Plastic
Summary: Scratches in Plastic
Lines: 27
In article <C41soE.M62@ns1.nodak.edu> wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes:
>A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor
>with a higher one from National Cycle. The thing happens to be made of
>Lexan.
>
>Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan? Its
>starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out..
>Go FAST! | Internet: wilken@plains.nodak.edu | AMA #587126
>Take Chances! | UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken | DoD #0087
>VF700F Interceptor | Bitnet: WILKEN@PLAINS |
Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish. It will help somewhat but nothing
will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is.
McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff.
Also suggest calling your local plastic shop. In Calif. "TAP PLASTIC" is
a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes
replacement of plastic bits. Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430.
I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping. I have found that they
have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from
windscreens and face shields. Also they have one called "lift-it" which
works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic
wihtout scratching same.
Luck,
Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com
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5702 | From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.221421.21839
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>
>Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room,
>at a competitive price.
>
>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
>the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come
>off easily.
Lack of build quality was the thing I notced on the first 2 LH's I
saw months back. The panel gaps were large and non-uniform between
the 2 cars I saw - the kind of thing you expect and accept on a
Mustang - but not from Chrysler's savior. I drove one of the low
end cars, and thought it was more than adequate. I'd prefer
an LH to a Taurus from my brief experience.
Craig
>
>I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly
>problems that will show up later.
>
>I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good
>track record.
>
>Jason Chen
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5703 | From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave)
Subject: cents keystroke ? where is it
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers
Lines: 14
why does my keyboard not have a cents key ?
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like to have my 2 cents worth or $ 0.02 (boaring)
-David
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China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com
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5704 | From: joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Joe Tham)
Subject: Where can I find SIPP?
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada
Lines: 11
I recently got a file describing a library of rendering routines
called SIPP (SImple Polygon Processor). Could anyone tell me where I can
FTP the source code and which is the newest version around?
Also, I've never used Renderman so I was wondering if Renderman
is like SIPP? ie. a library of rendering routines which one uses to make
a program that creates the image...
Thanks, Joe Tham
--
Joe Tham joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
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5705 | From: FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan)
Subject: Looking for videotapes
Lines: 44
I have been looking at some of the recent productions on homosexuality
and decided that I was interested in videotaped copies of these. If
anyone can help me out here, I would very much appreciate it.
Here is what I am looking for:
* - "The Gay Agenda" produced by Ty Beeson's group The Report.
* - John Ankerberg's recent series "Understanding Homosexuality and
Experiencing Genuine Change."
* - James Kennedy's special on homosexuality which aired this week,
and the portion of the previous week's program which discussed "The
Gay Agenda."
I will not pay money for copies, since this is copyrighted material
and that would be illegal. I will pay for return postage. If
somebody can think of something they would desire in trade, please let
me know and I'll see what I can do.
Oh, BTW, I'm watching the March On Washington right now on C-SPAN.
Other than the fact that I'm generally repulsed by what I'm watching,
I found one thing of interest. General David Dinkins just finished
speaking, and remarked that the New York City delegation consists of
about 200,000 people. Funny, I don't see 200,000 people out there,
period. Must've been quite the party scene last night. Or maybe
their exaggerations were just too much.
Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com
3215 Oregon Dr. #2, Anchorage, AK 99517-2048****907-272-9184****fnord
Abortion stops a beating heart****Disclaimer: I didn't inhale, either
IDITAROD SCOREBOARD 1993 - MEN 16, WOMEN 5****Read alt.flame.sean-ryan
[I don't suppose you'd be interested in hearing about the homosexual
agenda from homosexual Christians? These portrayals of the homosexual
agenda are regarded by some as being somewhat akin to trying to
understand fundamentalist Christianity by looking at the Branch
Dividians. You might also want to look at some outside evaluations of
the groups claiming to change homosexuals. When our church (the
Presbyterian Church (USA)) looked into this issue, even the
conservative members of the committee were concerned about how real
and long-lasting the changes were. I'll be interested to get reports
from police and the press about the number of people participating
today. Presumably we'll have a better idea by tomorrow. --clh]
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5706 | From: Hans Meyer <hmmeyer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Logitech Scanman 256
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 15
I would like to sell my Logitech Hand-held 256 Gray Scale Scanner. I
originally bought it as a toy and have no practical use for it. Hardly
ever used it.
Package includes:
-board
-Scan-Mate software
-Ansel Image Editing software
-All original manuals, box, etc.
Originally bought for $350 in Jan '92.
Selling for $150.
If interested, let me know.
-Hans Meyer
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5707 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan
Keywords: pis bogaz
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 38
In article <94492@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a
KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote:
[KT] HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to
[KT] see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you.
So ... close your eyes and walk away.
[KT] You are getting itchy as your fucking country.
I have been defending the history of the Armenians on this network for over
six years. I have seen the likes of you enter his forum, make fools of
themselves, and "simply vanish" as did the Armenians in 1915!
[KT] Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more.
Realize sir, you are not in Turkey! In the USA freedom of speech is not
considered "bullshit". It is because of such freedoms that Turks like yourself
are allowed to attend Georgia Tech.
[KT] Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my
[KT] people. And try to translate this "ebenin donu butti kafa David.".
What's the problem? If you can't stand the heat -- leave! Your government
murdered 1.5 million Armenians and you would have me stay quiet to suit your
personal fancy or some fascist fetish regarding the greatness of Turkey! Well,
that is simply too bad.
[KT] BYE, ANACIM HADE.
[KT] TIMUCIN
Pis bogaz!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
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5708 | From: wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brent)
Subject: Sony CarDiscman ForSale
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 33
I have a used Sony D-808K CarDiscman for sale. I bought it new on
June 16, 1992. It still has
the one-year warranty intact.
Specifications:
Sony's best car discman perfect condition
8X oversampling 1-bit D/A converter
3-beam laser pickup dual color display
DSP sound processing (Bass Boost and DDS modes) w/ 3 levels of effect
2-way repeat hold mode
can also run on just 2 AA batteries 30 track programming w/ repeat
random play w/ delete
fused cigarette lighter adapter (could save the player if something goes wrong
Accesories:
headphone plug & line-out jack Sony MDR-34 headphones
AC power Adapter patch cord for home use
automobile mouting plate car conecting pack
remote control(great for home use) carrying case
extra fuses
This unit is great to use in any car. Can be moved easily between vehicles.
Works well in home or car. Just need cigaraette lighter/outlet and a cassette
player.
I have everything that it came with manuals, packaging, receipts etc.
The unit is in perfect condition with normal well taken care of use.
Extremely versatile and manuverable unit that can be used anywhere.
I am asking $250 for the system and extras. Please e-mail if interested.
Brent Wagner
wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(317) 495-4471
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5709 | From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)
Subject: Re: Unity
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 126
In article <Apr.8.00.59.50.1993.28560@athos.rutgers.edu> Maarten.van.Loon@cwi.nl (Maarten van Loon) writes:
>Hello fellow-netters and fellow christians,
>about the subject of unity between christians and christian churches.
>to a bible study group. Alltough I do have a personal opinion on this
>issue, I thought it would be nice to hear opinions of fellow christian
>brothers and sisters from different countries and in different situations.
>
>My background: member of a (orthodox) Reformed Church. Let us say a little
The ONLY unity I've found which is true is when all parties involved are
disciples. I came out of a church in which even the different
congregations were always competing and arguing about which one was
better and who had the better messages (while none of them put anything
into practice from those messages). Since becoming a disciple, I've
found that when I travel to another church in the same movement, they
are just as accepting there as any other. We had a retreat back in
January when some of the congregation from Louisville, KY came up (this
retreat was for college students) and it was as though I had known even
the people from Louisville for years (and I had only become a disciple
the previous April and had never been to the church in Kentucky). One
of the keys to unity is unselfish love and self-sacrifice. That is only
one area in which disciples stand out from "Christians". Also, another
part of unity is a common depth of conviction. I've also been a part of
some "Christian" campus fellowships who were focused on unity between
churches and saw that those churches had one thing involved: a lack of
conviction about everything they believed. That was why they could be
unified, they didn't care about the truth but delighted in getting along
together.
>The problem here in The Netherlands is that there are two other churches
>(denominations) with the same characteristics. Both have the same
>confessions; there are only some differences with respect to - for
>example - the matter of appropriation of salvation and how to "use"
>our creeds. In essence a lot of people of these three churches have to
>same faith and feel that they should become one church. But how, that is
>the question.
>
Creeds? What need is there of creeds when the Bible stands firmly
better?
>So, here is a first question:
>- can the congregation of Christ be separated by walls of different
> denominations? Or is this definitely an untolerable situation
> according to the Scriptures?
According to the Scriptures, splits and differences of opinion are going
to be there. As per a previous note, I mentioned that there are those
who teach falsely by many means. There are also differences of opinion
and belief. However, Scripture states:
In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your
meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when
you come together as a church, there re divisions among you, and to some
extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to
show which of you have God's approval (1 Corinthians 11:17-19).
How will God show his approval? By fruitfulness (see Acts 2:47), but
before that, there are these qualities:
devotion to the apostles teaching
fellowship
communion
filling with awe for God
all having everything in common.
glad and sincere hearts
praising God
enjoying the favor of the people
All these are mentioned in Acts 2:42-47. God also shows that those who
have these qualities are persecuted. Look at Stephen, "a man full of
faith and of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 6:5) who was later stoned (Acts
7:54-60).
>- can one say that only one of these three churches is the
> true church of Jesus Christ?
One can say that a church is the true church only if that church is
perfect not only in the congregation but worldwide as a movement. I
have yet to find that, but the closest one I've found is the Boston
Church of Christ movement, which constantly strives to have errors
pointed out and corrected. It is also the only one I've seen which is
totally sold out to God.
>
>A problem closely related to these question is:
>- can we cooperate with other Christians - from these two churches -
> before there is a unity? This question is especially important
> for those who think that only one church can be the "true one".
>
As for cooperation, that can always occur. Unity, on the other hand may
never occur. As for those who think about only one church being the
"true one", I remind them that Mark 9:38-41 states that there are
disciples who are not a part of the main group to begin with, but they
will not lose their reward. As with the Boston movement, I've heard
numerous times this exact same thing, that there are disciples out there
that are not a part of the Boston movement but that does not make them
any less disciples. Of course, few people admit that they've ever run
into someone who has the qualities of a disciple outside the movement.
I know I haven't.
>Maybe this last problem sounds a little strange to most of you.
>For your information: we have a lot of organizations here which
>are founded by people of one specific church and whose members
>are all members of that church. This has been considered as
>"correct" for years. Only a few years ago people started to
>discuss about this and now we are in the middle of this process.
>Some organizations are opening their doors for people from
>other churches etc.
>
I must warn that this sounds cliquey to me. A clique is a group which
runs around together to some extent exclusively. This causes problems
in fellowship and causes divisions. I would not say at all that this is
something "correct" for a church/group to do for any reason. In one of
the churches I attended, for example, there was an internal clique of
people who were on the 14 different groups/committees/organizational
heads of the congregation. They rarely talked to anyone else outside of
the committees and seldom were voted out of office without another
office being "opened up" so that they would have to step right back in.
Their degree of exclusion was such that when the new pastor came, he
nearly had to wipe out everything and start from scratch (I wish he
would've since they still have no clue about what it means to be a
disciple). Anyway, this rigidity in the clique is beginning to be
broken down, but is still there. So, I must warn against such division
within. There's enough division without.
>Thanks for your opinions in advance!
>
>Maarten
Joe Fisher
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5710 | From: cac@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher Andrew Campbell)
Subject: Re: Royals
Summary: never
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Lines: 12
In article <spork.735077099@camelot> spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) writes:
B.S. about darkness deleted.
> Oh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually
>finish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in
>1970.
nope The Royals are the only team in the majors that have not
finished in last place. ^^^^ Of course this doesn't include
the marlins and the rockies but they have a good chance at
finishing last also.
>rich.
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5711 | From: makey@VisiCom.COM (Jeff Makey)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Distribution: na
Organization: VisiCom Laboratories, Inc., San Diego, California
Lines: 15
In article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
>I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
>to throw away her academic respectability like this.
She hasn't. Dorothy Denning has spent many years earning the
professional respect of her colleagues, and something won in this
manner is not easily lost. Her support of the clipper -- no matter
how unpopular that position may be -- serves far more to enhance the
clipper's respectability than to diminish her own.
:: Jeff Makey
Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
Disclaimer: All opinions are strictly those of the author.
Domain: makey@VisiCom.COM UUCP: nosc!visicom!makey
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5712 | From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH)
Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 198
In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes
:
>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest
>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball,
>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of
>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions...
>
>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried
>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded
>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average,
>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases
>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP.
>
>1B Career
> 1) Lou Gehrig
> 2) Jimmie Foxx
> 3) Eddie Murray
> 4) Hank Greenberg
> 5) Johnny Mize
> 6) Willie McCovey
> 7) Dick Allen
> 8) Harmon Killebrew
> 9) Kieth Hernandez
It's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth.
>10) Bill Terry
>11) George Sisler
>
>2B
> 1) Eddie Collins
> 2) Joe Morgan
> 3) Jackie Robinson
> 4) Rogers Hornsby
> 5) Nap Lajoie
> 6) Rhyne Sandberg
Learn to spell. It's Ryne.
> 7) Charlie Gehringer
> 8) Rod Carew
> 9) Bobby Grich
>10) Bobby Doerr
>
>SS
> 1) Honus Wagner
> 2) Cal Ripken Jr
> 3) John Lloyd
> 4) Ozzie Smith
> 5) Robin Yount
> 6) Joe Cronin
> 7) Arky Vaughan
> 8) Luke Appling
> 9) Ernie Banks
>10) Lou Boudreau
>
>3B
> 1) Mike Schmidt
> 2) Ed Matthews
> 3) George Brett
> 4) Wade Boggs
> 5) Ron Santo
> 6) Brooks Robinson
> 7) Frank Baker
> 8) Darrell Evans
> 9) Pie Traynor
>10) Ray Dandridge
>
How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.
>C
> 1) Josh Gibson
***********************
1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993
***********************
> 2) Yogi Berra
> 3) Johnny Bench
> 4) Mickey Cochrane
> 5) Bill Dickey
> 6) Gabby Hartnett
> 7) Roy Campanella
> 8) Gary Carter
> 9) Carlton Fisk
>10) Thurman Munson
>
>LF
> 1) Ted Williams
> 2) Stan Musial
> 3) Rickey Henderson
> 4) Carl Yastrzemski
> 5) Barry Bonds
> 6) Tim Raines
> 7) Joe Jackson
> 8) Ralph Kiner
> 9) Willie Stargell
>10) Al Simmons
>
>CF
> 1) Willie Mays
> 2) Ty Cobb
> 3) Tris Speaker
> 4) Mickey Mantle
> 5) Joe DiMaggio
> 6) Oscar Charleston
> 7) Andre Dawson
> 8) Duke Snider
> 9) Kirby Puckett
>10) Dale Murphy
>
>RF
> 1) Babe Ruth
> 2) Hank Aaron
> 3) Frank Robinson
> 4) Mel Ott
> 5) Al Kaline
> 6) Reggie Jackson
> 7) Dave Winfield
> 8) Roberto Clemente
> 9) Tony Gwynn
>10) Pete Rose
>
>P
> 1) Walter Johnson
> 2) Lefty Grove
> 3) Cy Young
> 4) Christy Mathewson
> 5) Pete Alexander
> 6) Tom Seaver
> 7) Roger Clemens
> 8) Bob Gibson
> 9) Warren Spahn
>10) Satchel Paige
>11) Juan Marichal
>12) Whitey Ford
>13) Bob Feller
>14) Jim Palmer
>15) Steve Carlton
>
>Overall (estimated):
> 1) Ruth
> 2) Williams
> 3) Mays
> 4) Cobb
> 5) Aaron
> 6) Wagner
> 7) Speaker
> 8) Schmidt
> 9) W.Johnson
>10) Mantle
>11) Musial
>12) DiMaggio
>13) F.Robinson
>14) Grove
>15) Henderson
>16) J.Gibson
>17) C.Young
>18) Collins
>19) Foxx
>20) Mathewson
>21) Alexander
>22) Morgan
>23) J.Robinson
>24) Hornsby
>25) Ott
>26) Seaver
>27) Clemens
>28) Matthews
>29) Lajoie
>30) Yastrzemski
>31) Kaline
>32) Brett
>33) Gibson
>34) Spahn
>35) Charleston
>36) Berra
>37) Ripken Jr.
>38) Lloyd
>39) Raines
>40) Sandberg
>41) Gehringer
>42) O.Smith
>43) Yount
>44) Ba.Bonds
>45) Paige
>46) R.Jackson
>47) Marichal
>48) Ford
>49) Feller
>50) Boggs
>
>
>Again, feel free to comment...
>
>Mike, BSU
>
--
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5713 | From: 06paul@ac.dal.ca
Subject: My Predictions of a classic playoff year!
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Lines: 73
Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs!
(you may laugh at your convenience!) :)
Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!)
BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!)
MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!)
BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will
(smarten up and start playing they played two months ago
( i.e. bench Savard !!!)
Patrick Division
PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps
(in the cake batter!)
WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO)
PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI)
Norris Division
CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in)
TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense
(series to watch!)
CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.)
Smythe Division
VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!)
CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately)
...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :)
VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they
(Will not lie down and get beat!)
Wales Conference finals
Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team
(that has a chance against
Pittsburgh.)
Campbell Conference finals
Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP)
STANLEY CUP FINALS
Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens
(The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true!
Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime.
Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if
that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by
Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the
owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the
disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks).
***************************************YEE HAA!!*******************************
*poof* And I wake up :)
Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop
laughing anytime :)
Paul
Die hard Habs Fan living with
3 Die hard Leafs fans!
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5714 | From: mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1
Distribution: usa
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In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote:
>With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and
>so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me:
>
>1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns
>VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.)
>
60ns 72 pin simms.
>2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the
>C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing
>would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic
>board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?)
>
2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board
leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a
650.
>Just wondering....
>
Michael A. McGuire, :-)
MCGUIRE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU
UTCC - User Services
|
5715 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Public Service Translation No.2
Summary: A Call to Action
Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 61
Subject: Re: NETTEKI BUTUN VATANSEVERLERE DUYURU....
In article <1993Apr13.090647.2507@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.
ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] continues...
[KK] BUTUN NETTEKI ARKADASLARA DUYURU....
[KK]
[KK] (SIYASI PLATFORMUN HANGI "TARAFINDA OLURSANIZ OLUN")
[KK]
[KK] BUGUNLERDE BU NETTE OLSUN, TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST VE TALK.POLITICS.
[KK] SOVIET'TE OLSUN OLAGAN DAN FAZLA VE "ETKIN" ERMENI VE YUNAN
[KK] POSTINGLERI YAZILMAKTADIR. BU YAZILARIN COGU GUNCEL KARABAG
[KK] KIBRIS VE BOSNA KONULARINDA YOGUNLASMAKTADIR. BURADAN HAREKETLE
[KK] "HEPIMIZIN" BIRAZ DAHA AKTIF OLMASI VE "USENMEYIP" CEVAP YAZMASI
[KK] OLDUKCA FAYDALI OLACAKTIR.
[KK]
[KK] EVET, HERKESIN ISI GUCU VAR...AKADEMIK YILIN YOGUN BIR DONEMI
[KK] FAKAT MEYDANI BOS BIRAKMAMANIN VE ULKEMIZIN CIKARLARINI "IDEOLOJIK
[KK] PLATFORMDA" GOZETMENIN DE SORUMLULUGU VAR...
[KK]
[KK] YARINLARIN CAGDAS VE GUCLU TURKIYESI'NI HEP BERABER KURMAK UMUDUYLA,
[KK]
[KK] SAYGILAR,
[KK] Kubilay Kultigin
[KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR *****
In translation, as a public service:
Subject: AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL PATRIOTS ON THE NET...
AN ANNONCEMENT TO ALL FRIENDS ON THE NET...
(REGARDLESS OF "WHEREVER YOU STAND" ON THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM)
IN RECENT DAYS ARMENIAN AND GREEK POSTINGS OF THAN THE USUAL IN NUMBER AND
"EFFECTIVENESS" ARE BEING WRITTEN BOTH ON THIS NET AND THE TALK.POLITICS.
MIDEAST AND TALK.POLITICS.SOVIET. MOST OF THESE WRITINGS CONCENTRATE ON THE
SUBJECTS OF KARABAGH, CYPRUS AND BOSNIA. DUE TO THIS FACT, IT IS QUITE USEFUL
FOR "US ALL" BE MORE ACTIVE AND "NOT FEEL RELUCTANT" TO RESPOND.
YES, EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OCCUPATION...IT IS A BUSY PERIOD IN THE ACADEMIC
YEAR. HOWEVER, [WE MUST] HAVE A RESPONSIBILTY NOT TO LEAVE THE FORUM EMPTY AND
WATCH THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY ON THE "IDEOLOGICAL LEVEL"...
IN THE HOPE OF BUILDING TOGETHER A MODERN AND POWERFUL TURKEY OF TOMORRROW.
REGARDS,
Kubilay Kultigin
***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH
OFF SOULS *****
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
|
5716 | From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 11
In article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
>Have you driven a TURBO converted
>MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary
>would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it?
no, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat
reminiscent of the shelby cobra. the car's obviously not as nimble
as before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution
and handle very well. i'd sure love to drive one.
-teddy
|
5717 | From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files??
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 27
>
>
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>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. "6E@ I !@ 4B!I " ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV
>
>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!!
>How do you convert this to a bit map???
You're supposed to delete everything above the "cut here" mark, and
below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but
*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line.
could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong?
thanks,i.a.,
Mickey
--
pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu
ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray
|||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*
\\\\ | "well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong.."(gd)
|
5718 | From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)
Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Wed, April 14, 1993
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Lines: 147
Boston 2 2 0--4
Ottawa 0 1 1--2
First period
1, Boston, Roberts 5 (Juneau) 7:19.
2, Boston, Wiemer 1(Juneau, Oates) 17:47.
Second period
3, Boston, Neely 11 (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10.
4, Boston, Hughes 5 (Richer, Kimble) 7:55.
5, Ottawa, Archibald 9 (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37.
Third period
6, Ottawa, Boschman 9 (Kudelski) 5:10.
Boston: 4 Power play: 2-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Hughes 1 0 1
Juneau 0 3 3
Kimble 0 1 1
Murphy 0 1 1
Neely 1 0 1
Oates 0 1 1
Richer 0 1 1
Roberts 1 0 1
Wiemer 1 0 1
Ottawa: 2 Power play: 4-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Archibald 1 0 1
Boschman 1 0 1
Kudelski 0 1 1
Lamb 0 1 1
Rumble 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Washington 0 0 2--2
NY Rangers 0 0 0--0
First period
No scoring.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
1, Washington, Bondra 36 (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54.
2, Washington, Bondra 37 (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10.
Washington: 2 Power play: 2-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Bondra 2 0 2
Cavallini 0 1 1
Cote 0 1 1
Pivonka 0 2 2
NY Rangers: 0 Power play: 1-0
No scoring
-----------------------------------------
NY Islanders 2 1 1 0--4
Hartford 2 1 1 1--5
First period
1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 13 (Malakhov, King) 1:29.
2, NY Islanders, Hogue 32 (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57.
3, Hartford, Yake 21(Poulin) 4:15.
4, Hartford, Yake 22 (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44.
Second period
5, Hartford, Verbeek 39 (Cassels, Weinrich) pp, 2:43.
6, NY Islanders, Thomas 35 (King, Ferraro) 7:58.
Third period
7, Hartford, Burt 5 (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41.
8, NY Islanders, Malakhov 14 (Hogue) 17:45.
Overtime
9, Hartford, Janssens 12 (Poulin) 1:08.
Hartford: 5 Power play: 3-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Burt 1 0 1
Cassels 0 2 2
Janssens 1 0 1
Nylander 0 1 1
Poulin 0 3 3
Sanderson 0 1 1
Verbeek 1 0 1
Weinrich 0 1 1
Yake 2 0 2
NY Islanders: 4 Power play: 3-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Ferraro 1 1 2
Hogue 1 1 2
King 0 2 2
Malakhov 1 1 2
Thomas 1 1 2
Turgeon 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Pittsburgh 2 3 1 0--6
New Jersey 2 4 0 0--6
First period
1, Pittsburgh, Daniels 5 (Needham, Tippett) 4:14.
2, New Jersey, Lemieux 29 (Semak, Driver) 10:19.
3, Pittsburgh, Stevens 55(Tocchet, Murphy) pp, 12:40.
4, New Jersey, Zelepukin 22 (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26.
Second period
5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 68 (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42.
6, New Jersey, Semak 36 (Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27.
7, Pittsburgh, McEachern 28 (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24.
8, New Jersey, Stevens 12 (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45.
9, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 69 (unassisted) sh, 12:40.
10, New Jersey, Richer 37 (Nicholls) 15:53.
11, New Jersey, Lemieux 30 (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40.
Third period
12, Pittsburgh, Mullen 33 (Jagr, Lemieux) 18:54.
Overtime
No scoring.
Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 5-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barrasso 0 1 1
Daniels 1 0 1
Jagr 0 2 2
Lemieux 2 1 3
McEachern 1 0 1
Mullen 1 0 1
Murphy 0 1 1
Needham 0 1 1
Stevens 1 1 2
Tippett 0 1 1
Tocchet 0 2 2
New Jersey: 6 Power play: 3-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Driver 0 2 2
Guerin 0 1 1
Lemieux 2 1 3
Nicholls 0 1 1
Niedermayer 0 1 1
Pellerin 0 1 1
Richer 1 0 1
Semak 1 2 3
Stevens 1 0 1
Zelepukin 1 2 3
-----------------------------------------
|
5719 | From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Barasso - the cheap shot master?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Lines: 27
Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as
>possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots
>this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other
>goaltenders).
Have a look at Ed Belfour.
>He also KICKED John McLean. Of
>course he wasn't called for that.
Belfour kicked Gerrard Gallant when the Wings played the 'Hawks
a couple of weeks ago. No penalty. No review. No suspension.
This was after he attacked Bob Probert in the previous period.
He was penalized for that.
>There's no doubt in
>my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall.
>He's also very good.
Likewise Belfour. Too bad he goes down so much! :-)
>Ralph
Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
|
5720 | From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Lines: 34
In article <1993Apr5.191712.7543@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In <1993Apr03.1.6627@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>Gordon, your experience is valid for many, but not all. The
>>fact that you know a few people who have been overweight and are
>>now stable at a lower (normal or just less?) weight does not
>>contradict the observation that only 5-10 per cent can maintain
>>ideal weight with current technology.
>
>Actually, the observation is that only 5-10% of those who seek help
>from your so-called "diet evangelists" can maintain their weight. I
>happen to agree with Keith Lynch that there are many people who can
>and do lose weight on their own, and who are not reflected in the
>dismal failure rate that is often quoted.
>
>Wasn't there a study where a researcher asked a more general population,
>perhaps some part of a university community, about weight loss and he/she
>found that a much higher percentage had lost and maintained?
In fact Adiposity 101 mentions a similar study (search for "life
events" in any recent version of Adiposity 101).
The problem with anecdotal reports about individuals who have
lost weight and kept it off is that we don't know what caused
the weight gain in the first place. This is critical because
someone who gains weight because of something temporary (drug
effect, life event, etc.) may appear successful at dieting when
the weight loss was really the result of reversing the temporary
condition that caused the weight gain.
--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406
|
5721 | From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?
Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Lines: 21
rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu writes:
>>
>> In a previous article, v064mcqs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ADAM M. GANDLER) says:
>>
>> >
>> >I heard Chrysler is planning to design or is in the process
>> >of designing a compact sedan line based on the LH platform.
>> >If these were as thought out as the full sized sedans and
>> >priced competitively, I see no reason why they could not give
>> >the imports and even the Saturns a serious challenge.
>>
>> OH GOODY!!! We now get to see SATURNS sold through CRYCO dealers.....
>> fab!
>Why is it this A-hole insist on remarks like this. I really am growing
>tired of this s*** DREW.
Do you have a "kill" file for your newsreader? I put the name "Spencer"
in my kill file and that gives me about 10-15 less articles PER DAY that
I have to sift through.
|
5722 | From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: Need APARTMENT/ROOM in BOSTON
Lines: 10
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 10
I will be in Boston (Cambridge specifically) working this summer
and am in need of a place to stay. If you have a room to sublease, or
anything of the sort I would appreciate a mail.
I am a 20-year old white male and am very flexible. I can adapt to a smoking
or non-smoking environment. Access to the 'T' would be nice, though I will
have a car thus need a parking space.
I would need this from late May or early June until aproximately end of July.
Any responses welcome.
_Mike_ mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
|
5723 | From: dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor)
Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?
Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI
Lines: 43
NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu
In article <1r00fdINNddt@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong) writes:
>
>Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has
>only 8 disks:
>
>1. System Install
>2. Kodak Photo CD sampler
>3. Alice to Ocean
>4. CDROM Titles
>5. Application Demos
>6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet
>7. Nautilus
>8. Apple Chronicles
>
>Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be
>getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what
>is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk.
>
>I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive.
>I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM.
>
>any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =)
>
>Derek
>
>
>thewho@plume.mit.edu
What I did NOT get with my drive (CD300i) is the System Install CD you
listed as #1. Any ideas about how I can get one? I bought my IIvx 8/120
from Direct Express in Chicago (no complaints at all -- good price & good
service).
BTW, I've heard that the System Install CD can be used to boot the mac;
however, my drive will NOT accept a CD caddy is the machine is off. How can
you boot with it then?
--Dave
--
dlc@umcc.ais.org 313.485.3394
|
5724 | From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists: how to set up your own
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Lines: 116
Archive-Name: rec-autos/part6
[New article as of 4 February 1993 -- rpw]
Many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite
automotive topics; rather fewer know how to do it. This article
will provide the essential information for doing so on standard
Unix systems. A shell script and examples of alias file setups
are included which presently run on a Sparc 2 here at balltown.cma.com
for a number of mailing lists. Note that if you do set up an automotive
mailing list, please let me know of the -request address so that I can
list it in the montly rec.autos posting. Also inform the keeper of the
Usenet list-of-lists (check news.answers for this monthly posting.)
First of all, to get anywhere, you need to either 1) be a sysadmin,
or 2) have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin. It is also
important that you have reasonably good network connectivity; if it seems
like you get everything several days after anyone else, or that you
have trouble getting email through, then your network connectivity is
probably not good enough.
Listserv:
There is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv, which
is available from several ftp servers on the network. Details of
the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this
article, but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should
probably look at listserv carefully.
The Alias file:
On a typical unix system; there is a file named /usr/lib/aliases on
whichever file server is your mail host; it contains lines such as:
foo: bar, baz, bletch
which means that any email sent the name `foo' on that host is
redistributed to users bar, baz, and bletch. thus, the simplest
possible email list is
my-favorite-car: member1, member2, member3, my-address
my-favorite-car-request: my-address
this has a couple of problems; the most noticeable one being that
you have to be superuser to edit the alias file. however, you can
do the following, with the connivance of your sysadmin:
my-favorite-car: :include:/home/mydir/misc/autos/my-favorite-car-list
my-favorite-car-request: my-address
Where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated
addresses. This file can be in the list admin's home directory,
owned by the list admin.
Bounced Mail:
this still has a problem; bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the
members of the list, which is generally considered somewhat irritating.
Therefore, the way that the driving school mailing list is set up
is instructive (Thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup,
by the way. I'm not sure where he got it from.)
school-request: welty
school-rebroadcast: :include:/home/newwelty/misc/autos/school/list
school: "|/usr/local/adm/bin/explscript school"
owner-school: school-request
owner-school-out: school-request
here's what is going on here:
the owner- and -request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail
coming from the network. the -request address also serves as the point
of contact for administrative duties.
school is what people send mail to; instead of pointing at addresses,
it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending
the email. school-broadcast (of which nobody except me knows the name;
the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity) points at the
actual list members.
the shell script i use is as follows:
-----------------
#!/bin/sh
cd /tmp
sed -e '/^Reply-To:/d' -e '/^Sender:/d' -e '/^From /d' | \
(echo Reply-To: ${1}@balltown.cma.com; \
echo Errors-To: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \
echo Sender: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \
cat -) | \
/usr/lib/sendmail -om -f ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com \
-F "The ${1} Mailing List" ${1}-rebroadcast
exit 0
-------------------
note that this script does not know the name of the list; the name
is passed in from outside, so that the script may be used for multiple
lists (i run several out of this site.)
the script excises Reply-To:, Sender:, and From lines from the incoming
message, substitutes for Sender: and Reply-To:, and adds Errors-to:
99.9% of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the -request
or owner- addresses if this header rewrite is done.
For digested lists, there is some digestification software around.
Hopefully I'll be able to provide more information in a future version
of this posting.
richard welty (welty@balltown.cma.com)
--
richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
|
5725 | From: fostma@saturn.wwc.edu (Mark Gregory Foster)
Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5
Organization: Walla Walla College
Lines: 60
In article <Apr.15.00.58.33.1993.28906@athos.rutgers.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
[FAQ and Darius' response deleted]
>Darius
>[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I
>think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is
>probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing
>what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally
>accept that those who "esteem all days alike" are similarly doing
>their best to honor the Lord.
I am myself an SDA and I am in total agreement with what Darius has to say.
I also worship on Saturday to honor the Lord. Your mention of "[esteeming]
all days alike" IMO has to do with the fast days observed by the Jews. But
no matter how you interpret that passage, I do accept your worship on Sunday
as being done in honor of the Lord, in contrast with what many of my fellow
SDA believers may believe. To me, though, the bible overwhelmingly points
to Saturday as the day to be kept in honor of creation and of God's
deliverance of the Israelites from Egyptian bondage. To those who would
attempt to point out that my observance of Saturday is being legalistic,
this is simply not the case. Rather, keeping Saturday allows me a full day
to rest and contemplate God's goodness and grace.
>
>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous
>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I
>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.
>Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says
>that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's
>collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially
>to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it,
>but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be
>when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do
>it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day.
The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted the
Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the first day of the
week was because that was when they received their weekly wages. Paul
wanted them to lay aside money for the collection as first priority, before
spending their money on other things. I do not have any proof in front of
me for this though, although it would explain why they would lay aside money
in their homes instead of a meeting.
>So I think the most obvious reading of this is that "on the first day
>of every week" simply means every time they gather for worship.
>
>I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements
>is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian
>worship was.
It would seem to me that you assume that the christians in the NT regularly
worshipped on the first day. I assume that the christians in the NT
regularly worshipped on the seventh day. But I agree with you that we only
have implications because the authors did assume the reader knew when worhip
was.
--Mark
|
5726 | From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Lines: 40
April 1, 1993
I am participating in an NL-league that uses standard Rotisserie rules
except that the following catagories are used:
For position players:
lowest batting average
strike-outs
caught-stealing
errors
For pitchers:
losses
blown saves
higest ERA
'taters allowed
This is the fifth year that I've participated in this Blowtisserie
league. Last year I won the pennant due primarily to the fact that
I had terrible pitching. I would like to lower my batting average
which is rather high because I do have Jose Offerman (who made up
for this by helping me lock first place in errors). Anyway,
someone offered:
Andres Gallaraga for Bud Black
I can afford to give up Bud Black because I still have Kyle Abbott.
However, I am afraid of Andres actually doing well this season.
Should I make the trade or not?
Your comments will be appreciated.
--
Warren Usui
I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10.
|
5727 | From: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU
Subject: WholeSale TV sets.
Organization: University of Houston
Lines: 3
Reply-To: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu
We are representing some Chinese TV manufacturers who want to wholesale their
products to Latin American countries. We are looking for brokers/agents who
can help us. Products include both color and black/white TVs from 11" to 24". If interested, please e-mail or fax to Mr Z Ho at 713-926-7953 (USA) for more information or inquiries. good commission.
|
5728 | From: wdburns@mtu.edu (BURNS)
Subject: Interfaith weddings
Organization: CCLI Macintosh Lab, Michigan Tech University
Lines: 39
Hello everyone.
Last week I posted a similar question to alt.wedding. Now I come in
search of a deeper-level answer.
My fiance is Lutheran and I am Catholic. We plan on getting married in
her church because she is living there now and I plan on moving there
in a month or so. I called my Catholic priest to find out what I needed
to do in order for the marriage to be recognized by my church.
Needless to say that I have found that there is no "hard and fast" rule
when it comes to how the Catholic law for interfaith weddings is interpreted.
But I'm pretty sure that we CAN get married without too much problem; the
trick lies in the letter of dispensation.
But that is not why I am here....
What I'd like to know is:
What are the main differences between the Lutheran and Catholic religions?
My priest mumbled something about how the Eucharist was understood...
I have heard that if two religions combine soon, it would be these two.
Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks so much!
Bill
--
Bill Burns [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ] Mac Network System Administrator
[ AppleLink: SHADOW ] Apple Student Rep, MTU
First we must band together as friends,
then mearcilessly crush our enemies into paste.
[We've had enough Catholic/Protestant arguments recently that I'm not
going to accept any renewals. I suggest responses via email, unless
they are clearly non-controversial. I would be happy to see positive
summaries of both important Catholic and Lutheran beliefs. Among
other things, they'd be useful for the FAQ collection. But I'm not up
for yet another battle. --clh]
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5729 | From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)
Subject: Weekly reminder for Frequently Asked Questions list
Supersedes: <reminder_734971619@cs.unc.edu>
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
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Distribution: world
Expires: 7 May 1993 17:25:40 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu
This notice will be posted weekly in sci.space, sci.astro, and
sci.space.shuttle.
The Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list for sci.space and sci.astro is
posted approximately monthly. It also covers many questions that come up on
sci.space.shuttle (for shuttle launch dates, see below).
The FAQ is posted with a long expiration date, so a copy may be in your
news spool directory (look at old articles in sci.space). If not, here are
two ways to get a copy without waiting for the next posting:
(1) If your machine is on the Internet, it can be obtained by anonymous
FTP from the SPACE archive at ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) in directory
pub/SPACE/FAQ.
(2) Otherwise, send email to 'archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov'
containing the single line:
help
The archive server will return directions on how to use it. To get an
index of files in the FAQ directory, send email containing the lines:
send space FAQ/Index
send space FAQ/faq1
Use these files as a guide to which other files to retrieve to answer
your questions.
Shuttle launch dates are posted by Ken Hollis periodically in
sci.space.shuttle. A copy of his manifest is now available in the Ames
archive in pub/SPACE/FAQ/manifest and may be requested from the email
archive-server with 'send space FAQ/manifest'. Please get this document
instead of posting requests for information on launches and landings.
Do not post followups to this article; respond to the author.
|
5730 | From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho)
Subject: 24-pin Printer
Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 9
TOSHIBA P321SL
-track/friction feeds
-LCD display
-3.5 months old
-like new
-sample print-out sheet (GEOWORKS) available
-EMULASER (a 2-month old program by VERTISOFT
makes print-out look like an inkjet print-out)
-$175 firm.
|
5731 | From: rclar@ctp.com (Richard Clark)
Subject: 16' HobieCat Special
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Lines: 9
For Sale:
1982 - 16' Hobie Cat Special, very good condition with
trailer, catbox, righting system, many extras. Boat
is currently garaged in Natick MA, 25 miles east of
Boston.
$1800. Contact rclar@ctp.com or call (617) 374-8217.
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5732 | From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry)
Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind?
Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry
Organization: Private System
Lines: 18
In <1993Apr22.235454.18199@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes:
>AT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running
>windows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn't pay much
>attention to it, but it was there.
It seems that a particular program designed for blind people is more important
than trying to interface windows with a way for blind people to use it.
If someone made a voice recognition/multimedia (sound) oriented program,
it would probably been more effective. I don't know what the original
purpose of interfacing windows was for the person who posted the question
though.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Kirk Membry "Our Age is the Age of Industry"
rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko
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5733 | From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
Lines: 53
In article <strnlghtC5LGFI.JqA@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that
>the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only
>used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file
>encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced
>standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to
>easy-to-break inverters.
>
>Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap.
>Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for
>e-mail and files, let's focus on this.
>
>One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is
>limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it.
>
>Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal
>less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no
>secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a "goat" can
>eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and
>cordless phones.
>
>-------
>
>Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure
>without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses
>confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese
>security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make
>available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs.
>
>Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to
>have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of
>depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable
>escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the
>week, and that system has worked pretty well.
>
>From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that
>need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in
>return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES
>and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly
>skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be
>checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to
>be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys
>pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate
>communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to
>eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order.
>
Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your
crypto keys? I wouldn't.
Doug Holland
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5734 | From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Subject: Kansas City e-mail contact
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 11
Would the person who is running the e-mail list for KANSAS CITY Royals please
e-mail details regarding mailing list. If you on the list and know the info
please send me info as well.
Please e-mail as I don't have time always to read this group
John
--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John_Carson@MINDLINK.BC.CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>> D.John Carson J & H Concepts (604)589-5118 <<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
|
5735 | From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: where to put your helmet
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
Lines: 46
CB>From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
CB>>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
CB>>|>
CB>>|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
CB>>|> rock
CB>>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
CB> Do I have to be the one to say it?
CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
CB> HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
CB> ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
CB> WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.
Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
and be fairly stable. I doubt I have to mention it, but this trick isn't
quite so smart on a GoldWing, CBR600, any GSXR, or any bike with
fairing-mounted mirrors.
I was a little surprised, though, to find that you had your helmet on
your seat while you were centerstanding your bike. I usually leave my
helmet on until my bike is parked, if for no other reason than I
wouldn't want my helmet to be on any surface that I was about to start
tilting and jerking . . .
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
I saw the quote below on a pair of Nankai race-replica leathers. I think
this sort of phrase is typically known as "Japlish."
* SLMR 2.1a * "Drive Agressively Rash Magnificently" -Nankai Leathers
----
+===============================================================+
|COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)|
|Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|
+===============================================================+
|
5736 | From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Subject: Re: Motor Voter
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery
Lines: 13
In article <Apr.2.07.48.07.1993.21309@romulus.rutgers.edu>,
kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) wrote:
>
> When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy
> was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do
> you think I am now?
Ask me whether I'm surprised that you haven't managed to waddle out of
college after all this time.
--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
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5737 | From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
Lines: 37
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE
NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de
In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes:
|>
|> I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The
|> hardware is "truecolor" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit
|> static color visual. I would really like to have the server just
|> present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be
|> acceptable to "most" X clients. The three problems I see are:
|>
|> 1) The colormap, though huge, is static.
|> 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide.
|> 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the
|> translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error.
|>
|> Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these
|> limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff
|> floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write
|> the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits,
|> but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary.
|>
Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated
8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and
thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least:
> 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding
should not make big misfits
> 8 bit PseudoColor. More of a problem, you have to emulate a colormap,
pixel indices, conversion stuff. Furthermore, you should run your default
screen on this visual.
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5738 | From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was
In-Reply-To: <C5L1Fv.H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)
Lines: 35
>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:23:54 GMT
>FROM: Umar Khan <khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil>
>
> His conclusion was that,
>while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to
>say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the
>Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in
>the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known
>what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored
>it)?
>
Well, it looks like the folks in soc.religion.islam have loosened up
a bit and are discussing this topic as well as the banking/interest
topic. A few books on the subject have also been mentioned in addition
to the one you mentioned. These may be hard to find, but I think I may
take a stab at it out of curiosity. I know the one film I saw on this
subject was pretty weak and the only two quotes I have seen which were
used to show science in the Koran (which I posted here) were also pretty
vague. I suspect that these books will extrapolate an awful lot on the
quotes they have.
At least one poster on the Islam channel seems to have some misgivings
about the practice of using the Koran to decide what is good science.
I wonder if Islam has ever come up with the equivalent of the Christians
"Creation Science" on any topic. It would be interesting to find a history
of scientific interpretations of the Koran, to see if anyone used the Koran
to support earlier science which has since been discarded. It is all too
easy to look at science as it exists today and then "interpret" passages
to match those findings. People do similar things with the sayings of
Nostradamus all the time.
Anyway, it is a rather unique claim of Islam and may be worth checking.
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5739 | From: tychay@cco.caltech.edu (Terrence Y. Chay)
Subject: TIFF (NeXT Appsoft draw) -> GIF conversion?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 27
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: Help!
Keywords: TIFF GIF graphics conversion NeXT Appsoft
Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw
can't be displayed in "xv"... I checked... It's true, at least with version
1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes
up the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with
flying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) )
Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT
to something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep
3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please
email, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to.
Yes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) )
Yes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-)
Also is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns
out nothing recognizable....
terrychay
---
small editorial
-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff
-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z
and not using gzip! is it me or is there something wrong with this format?
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5740 | From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion
Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 22
In <1993Apr19.024949.27846@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
+>The Golan Heights is a serious security problem, and Israel obviously
+>will have to keep part of it and give up part of it. (One should
+>remember that the Golan Heights had been part of the area that was to
+>be in Britain's Palestine Mandate, slated to become part of the Jewish
+>state, until Britain traded it to France for other considerations. In
+>other words, it is an historical accident that it was ever part of
+>Syria.)
The Palestine mandate had no borders before
the borders were negotiated and drawn. The most the Golan may have been
is on the list of what territories Britian would have liked to
see in the palestine mandate.
Until the mandates came into existance, there were no defined
boundaries between any of the various territories in the region.
If you have a source for any of these claims, then please
present it.
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5741 | From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker)
Subject: Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
Organization: I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing.
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>,
wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) wrote:
>
> We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot
> explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from
> the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth
> than science. This is a false premise.
Says who? Other than a hear-say god.
> By the way, I enjoy science.
You sure don't understand it.
> It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is
> a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed
> within three percent error :) ]
Bill, I hereby award you the Golden Shovel Award for the biggist pile of
bullshit I've seen in a whils. I'm afraid there's not a bit of religion in
macroevolution, and you've made a rather grand statement that Science can
not explain origins; to a large extent, it already has!
> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
Peter W. Walker "Yu, shall I tell you what knowledge is? When
Dept. of Space Physics you know a thing, say that you know it. When
and Astronomy you do not know a thing, admit you do not know
Rice University it. This is knowledge."
Houston, TX - K'ung-fu Tzu
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5742 | From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Pens Info needed
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr15.140541.28465@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two
> spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and
> Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late
> stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave
> spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final.
>
Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and
leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever
hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :)
Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores!
The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!
|
5743 | From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)
Subject: Re: Pens Info needed
Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Lines: 32
In article <C5K9E8.M3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and
>leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever
>hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :)
True, coach Matikainen is ready to keep a spot for Teemu all the way
until the medal games. He wants Teppo Numminen, too. And Kurri, but for
them the spots cannot be left open for too long. Esa Tikkanen we have
already.
Even without these players I think we have pretty good team. Young,
hungry, talented guys, no old players that have got everything (except
the gold). Yesterday's practise game, SWE-FIN 6-6, shows that the two
world's best hockey teams ;) are in prime shape. The Finn line
Riihijarvi(slightly injured)-Saarikoski-Viitakoski shined. I bet these
two teams are the best in the NHL, too. Roger, Roger?
What do you people think about Team Canada with Lindros, Brind'Amour,
Burke, Ranford, Recchi, Dineen...? Can they beat the Finns:?
Coaching news:
Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified),
Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara,
Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks
(assistant coach),
Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien)
FW Mikko Makela (ex-TPS) to Malmo IF.
G Markus Ketterer (Jokerit) still has no contract.
FW Timo Saarikoski to Jokerit, watch out for him in next week.
|
5744 | From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Subject: Re: Andy: how do we stop people with a gun?
Summary: Guns can kill: that's why I have them.
Keywords: guns handguns rifles shotguns
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Distribution: na
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA
Lines: 169
In article <1993Apr7.141930.29582@freenet.carleton.ca>
ac002@Freenet.carleton.ca (Nikolaus Maack) writes:
>Come on. A gun kills people.
Rather, people kill people with guns. The sad truth is: sometimes that is
good, or at least, better than the alternative.
>But let's ignore guns for defence and/or crime and look at gun accidents.
Ok. There are about 1400 fatal firearm accidents per year [1], and the
number has been in decline since early this century [2]. Most of these
accidents involve rifles or shot guns, not handguns.
...
>But seriously: a gun is designed to fire a bullet. This is not so you
>can shoot cardboard cut outs down at the range.
In fact there are both guns and bullets designed specifically for that.
The idea that my Ruger Mark II Bull Barrel (a semi-auto 0.22 caliber
handgun) was designed to kill or hurt people, even for self defense,
would, I'm sure, come as a surprise to its designer. It certainly isn't
why I have it. It certainly would hurt someone if you shot them with it,
and might even kill them, but it is simply wrong to say it was designed to
kill people.
>This is not designed to act as a tool for home defence where you show
>someone that you have a gun and they go "Gee, perhaps I should leave".
In fact, that is what happens most of the time. Most self defensive uses
of firearms don't involve firing any shots. Most criminals would prefer
not to be shot, and will go to some effort not to be, including doing what
you say when you point a gun at them.
If you were called on to design a tool, that could be easily carried, to
immediately stop someone attacking you, what would it be? A handgun is
about the best anyone has come up with and experience shows it does work
the best.[3]
>No, you see the gun was designed to fire that little bullet into a human
>body and hurt them. Not a tough concept to swallow, for most.
Certainly, no one argues that handguns (of the type we are discussing)
aren't deadly weapons. However, it simply isn't true to say that all of
them were designed to kill people. Moreover, what exactly is wrong with
having deadly weapons? There are times when it is perfectly legitimate to
use deadly force, e.g. in self defense. I consider it not just my right,
but my duty to defend myself and my family, and that includes having and
knowing how to use the tools to do that.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government."
- T. Jefferson.
I think what Jefferson said is still true.
>And the trouble with having such an item is often the little bullet goes
>off into the wrong fleshy target.
Not very often compared to other use.[3]
>Or else Uncle Frank gets pissed and blows away his wife.
This isn't that common either, at least when compared to other uses. It is
very rare that a non-violent person will suddenly "get-pissed" and kill
someone, gun or not. In most cases, the people who murder have long
histories of violence. If you have good reason to believe that these
people wouldn't kill if they didn't have a gun, feel free to present it.
>Having a thing specificly designed to kill means it is much easier to
>kill things. Right?
Right, but there are times when killing things is called for. I hope I
never have to shoot a person, but I've had to kill a number of animals from
rodents to cows, and when I do, I don't want them to suffer any more than
is necessary. I prefer they die instantly, but failing that, I want them
to drop so I can quickly finish them with the next shot, and failing that,
I don't want them to go fast or far. I try to choose the best weapon and
ammunition I have to try to achieve that goal for the size of animal I'm
after, but it doesn't always work as I plan. Without belaboring the point,
people who are overly impressed with the killing or shopping power of guns,
particularly handguns, haven't used them much for that purpose.
[1] Accidental deaths in 1988:
48700 deaths by auto
11300 deaths by fall
5300 deaths by drowning
4800 deaths by fire
4400 deaths by poison
3200 deaths by food
1400 deaths by firearm
Source: Statistics Department, National Safety Council.
"Accidents Facts 1988 Edition". National Safety Council.
444 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago IL 606111 (800) 621-7619
[2] RKBA.002 - Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms
Version 1.1 (last changed on 90/04/23 at 22:28:19)
DESCRIPTION
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The accidental deaths by firearm per capita has been declining steadily
for almost sixty years. In 1932, the accidental deaths by firearm per
1,000,000 people was 24.03. In 1987, it was 5.74. The decline has been
steady, consistent, and a fairly straight line when plotted. At the rate
of the last sixty years, it will reach zero sometime around 2025 AD.
CONCLUSION
==========
Firearms have been a declining factor in accidental deaths for over
sixty years, despite rising per-capita gun ownership.
[1] = Year.
[2] = Population.
[3] = Accidental deaths.
[4] = Accidental deaths per 1,000,000.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [1] [2] [3] [4]
1932 124,840,000 3,000 24.03 1961 183,691,000 2,204 12.00
1933 125,579,000 3,014 24.00 1962 186,538,000 2,092 11.21
1934 126,374,000 3,033 24.00 1963 189,242,000 2,263 11.96
1935 127,250,000 2,799 22.00 1964 191,889,000 2,275 11.86
1936 128,053,000 2,817 22.00 1965 194,303,000 2,344 12.06
1937 128,825,000 2,576 20.00 1966 196,560,000 2,558 13.01
1938 129,825,000 2,726 21.00 1967 198,712,000 2,896 14.57
1939 130,880,000 2,618 20.00 1968 200,706,000 2,394 11.93
1940 132,122,000 2,375 17.98 1969 202,677,000 2,309 11.39
1941 133,402,000 2,396 17.96 1970 204,879,000 2,406 11.74
1942 134,860,000 2,678 19.86 1971 207,661,000 2,360 11.36
1943 136,739,000 2,282 16.69 1972 209,896,000 2,442 11.63
1944 138,397,000 2,392 17.28 1973 211,909,000 2,618 12.35
1945 139,928,000 2,385 17.04 1974 213,854,000 2,613 12.22
1946 141,389,000 2,801 19.81 1975 215,854,000 2,380 11.03
1947 144,126,000 2,439 16.92 1976 218,035,000 2,059 9.44
1948 146,631,000 2,191 14.94 1977 220,239,000 1,982 9.00
1949 149,188,000 2,330 15.62 1978 222,585,000 1,806 8.11
1950 151,684,000 2,174 14.33 1979 225,055,000 2,004 8.90
1951 154,287,000 2,247 14.56 1980 227,757,000 1,955 8.58
1952 156,954,000 2,210 14.08 1981 230,138,000 1,871 8.13
1953 159,565,000 2,277 14.27 1982 232,520,000 1,756 7.55
1954 162,391,000 2,271 13.98 1983 234,799,000 1,695 7.22
1955 165,275,000 2,120 12.83 1984 237,001,000 1,668 7.04
1956 168,221,000 2,202 13.09 1985 239,279,000 1,649 6.89
1957 171,274,000 2,369 13.83 1986 241,613,000 1,600 6.62
1958 174,141,000 2,172 12.47 1987 243,915,000 1,400 5.74
1959 177,073,000 2,258 12.75
1960 180,671,000 2,334 12.92
Sources:
U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States,
Colonial Times to 1970, Bicentennial Edition, Part 2, Washington, DC, 1975.
U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States:
1982-83. (103th edition.) Washington, DC, 1982 [sic]..
U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States:
1989 (109th edition.) Washington, DC, 1989.
[3] Kleck, Gary. "Guns and Self-Defense: Crime Control through the Use of
Force in the Private Sector." __Social Problems__ 35(1988):4, pp. 7-9.
--
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef . . . The only fair tax is no tax!
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5745 | From: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney)
Subject: RESULT: sci.life-extension passes 237:28
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 284
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
The vote to create the proposed group, Sci.life-extension, was
affirmative.
Yes votes: 237.
No votes: 28.
What follows is a list of the people who voted, by vote ("no" or "yes").
Here are the people who voted NO:
bailey@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll)
msb@sq.com (Mark Brader)
carr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dave Carr)
desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
jbh@Anat.UMSMed.Edu (James B. Hutchins)
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
lau@ai.sri.com (Stephen Lau)
plebrun@minf8.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun)
jmaynard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)
emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
smarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft)
dmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Mosher)
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro)
smith-una@YALE.EDU (Una Smith)
mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
ac999266@umbc.edu (a Francis Uy)
werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu (John Werner)
wick@netcom.com (Potter Wickware)
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk (D. Wright)
yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin)
ask@cblph.att.com
spm2d@opal.cs.virginia.edu
Here are the people who voted YES:
FSSPR@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU (Hardcore Alaskan)
kalex@eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander)
ph600fht@sdcc14.UCSD.EDU (Alex Aumann)
franklin.balluff@Syntex.Com (Franklin Balluff)
barash@umbc.edu (Mr. Steven Barash)
build@alan.b30.ingr.com (Alan Barksdale (build))
lion@TheRat.Kludge.COM (John H. Barlow)
pbarto@UCENG.UC.EDU (Paul Barto)
ryan.bayne@canrem.com (Ryan Bayne)
mignon@shannon.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Mignon Belongie)
beaudot@tirf.grenet.fr (william Beaudot)
lavb@lise.unit.no (Olav Benum)
ross@bryson.demon.co.uk (Ross Beresford)
ben.best@canrem.com (Ben Best)
levi@happy-man.com (Levi Bitansky)
jsb30@dagda.Eng.Sun.COM (James Blomgren)
gbloom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gregory Bloom)
mbrader@netcom.com (Mark Brader)
ebrandt@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Eli Brandt)
doom@leland.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
rc@pos.apana.org.au (Robert Cardwell)
jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
sasha@cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)
mclark@world.std.com (Maynard S Clark)
100042.2703@CompuServe.COM ("A.J. Clifford")
coleman@twinsun.com (Mike Coleman)
steve@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Steve Coltrin)
collier@ivory.rtsg.mot.com (John T. Collier)
compton@plains.NoDak.edu (Curtis M. Compton)
bobc@master.cna.tek.com (Bob Cook)
cordell@shaman.nexagen.com (Bruce Cordell)
cormierj@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Cormier Jean-Marc)
djcoyle@macc.wisc.edu (Douglas J. Coyle)
dass0001@student.tc.umn.edu ("John R Dassow-1")
bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce Davis)
demonn@emunix.emich.edu (Kenneth Jubal DeMonn)
desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
markd@sco.COM (Mark Diekhans)
kari@teracons.teracons.com (Kari Dubbelman)
lhdsy1!cyberia.hou281.chevron.com!hwdub@uunet.UU.NET (Dub Dublin)
willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye)
155yegan%jove.dnet.measurex.com@juno.measurex.com (TERRY EGAN)
eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)
glenne@magenta.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Glenn Ellingson)
farrar@adaclabs.com (Richard Farrar)
ghsvax!hal@uunet.UU.NET (Hal Finney)
lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel)
afoxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (Foxx)
i000702@disc.dla.mil (sam frajerman,sppb,x3026,)
mpf@medg.lcs.mit.edu (Michael P. Frank)
Martin.Franklin@Corp.Sun.COM (Martin Franklin)
tiff@CS.UCLA.EDU (Tiffany Frazier)
Ailing_Zhu_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU (Ailing Freeman)
Timothy_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU (Tim Freeman)
gt0657c@prism.gatech.edu (geoff george)
mtvdjg@rivm.nl (Daniel Gijsbers)
exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert)
rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)
goetz@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Phil Goetz)
goolsby@dg-rtp.dg.com (Chris Goolsby)
dgordon@crow.omni.co.jp (David Gordon)
bgrahame@eris.demon.co.uk (Robert D Grahame)
sascsg@unx.sas.com (Cynthia Grant)
green@srilanka.island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
johng@oce.orst.edu (John A. Gregor)
roger@netcom.com (roger gregory)
evans-ron@CS.YALE.EDU (Ron Hale-Evans)
brent@vpnet.chi.il.us (Brent Hansen)
Ron.G.Hay@med.umich.edu (Ron G. Hay)
akh@empress.gvg.tek.com (Anna K. Haynes)
claris!qm!Bob_Hearn@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Hearn)
fheyligh@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Francis Heylighen)
hin9@midway.uchicago.edu (P. Hindman)
fishe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Carwil James)
janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen)
karp@skcla.monsanto.com (Jeffery M Karp)
rk2@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Richard Kelly)
merklin@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ed Kemo)
kessner@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (KESSNER ERIC M)
mapam@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R A Khwaja)
koski@sunset.cs.utah.edu (Keith Koski)
kathi@bridge.com (Kathi Kramer)
benkrug@jupiter.fnbc.com (Ben Krug)
farif@eskimo.com (David Kunz)
edsr!edsdrd!sel@uunet.UU.NET (Steve Langs)
pa_hcl@MECENG.COE.NORTHEASTERN.EDU (Henry Leong)
S.Linton@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton)
alopez@cs.ep.utexas.EDU (Alejandro Lopez 6330)
kfl@access.digex.com ("Keith F. Lynch")
KAMCHAR@msu.edu (Charles MacDonald)
rob@vis.toronto.edu (Robert C. Majka)
phil@starconn.com (Phil Marks)
cam@jackatak.raider.net (Cameron Marshall)
mmay@mcd.intel.com (Mike May ~)
drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
i001269@discg2.disc.dla.mil (john mccarrick)
xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
cuhes@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Malcolm McMahon)
mcpherso@macvax.UCSD.EDU (John Mcpherson)
merkle@parc.xerox.com (Ralph Merkle)
eric@Synopsys.COM (Eric Messick)
pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
gmichael@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary R. Michael)
dat91mas@ludat.lth.se (Asker Mikael)
MILLERL@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU ("Loren J. Miller")
minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
pmorris@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Paul Morris)
Mark_Muhlestein@Novell.COM (Mark Muhlestein)
david@staff.udc.upenn.edu (R. David Murray)
gananney@mosaic.uncc.edu (Glenn A Nanney)
anthony@meaddata.com (Anthony Napier)
dniman@panther.win.net (Donald E. Niman)
nistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Jonathan@RMIT.EDU.AU (Jonathan O'Donnell)
martino@gomez.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Martin R. Olah)
cpatil@leland.stanford.edu (Christopher Kashina Patil)
crp5754@erfsys01.boeing.com (Chris Payne)
sharon@acri.fr (Sharon Peleg)
php@rhi.hi.is (Petur Henry Petersen)
chrisp@efi.com (Chris Phoenix)
pierce@CS.UCLA.EDU (Brad Pierce)
julius@math.utah.edu ("Julius Pierce")
dplatt@cellar.org (Doug Platt)
Mitchell.Porter@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
cpresson@jido.b30.ingr.com (Craig Presson)
price@price.demon.co.uk (Michael Clive Price)
U39554@UICVM.BITNET (Edward S. Proctor)
stevep@deckard.Works.ti.com (Steve Pruitt)
MJQUINN@PUCC.BITNET (Michael Quinn)
rauss@nvl.army.mil (Patrick Rauss)
remke@cs.tu-berlin.de ("Jan K. Remke")
ag167@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry H. Rodin)
ksackett@cs.uah.edu (Karl R. Sackett)
rcs@cs.arizona.edu (Richard Schroeppel)
fschulz@pyramid.com (Frank Schulz)
kws@Thunder-Island.kalamazoo.MI.US (Karel W. Sebek)
bseewald@gozer.idbsu.edu (Brad Seewald)
shapard@manta.nosc.mil (Thomas D. Shapard)
habs@Panix.Com (Harry Shapiro)
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us (David Muir Sharnoff)
dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
zero@netcom.com (Richard Shiflett)
AP201160@BROWNVM.BITNET (Elaine Shiner)
robsho@robsho.Auto-trol.COM (Robert Shock)
rshvern@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rob Shvern)
wesiegel@cie-2.uoregon.edu (William Siegel)
ggyygg@mixcom.mixcom.com (Kenton Sinner)
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com (Bob Smart)
tonys@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Anthony David Smith)
sgccsns@citecuc.citec.oz.au (Shayne Noel Smith)
dsnider@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Daniel L Snider)
snyderg@spot.Colorado.EDU (SNYDER GARY EDWIN JR)
blupe@ruth.fullfeed.com (Brian Arthur Stewart)
lhdsy1!usmi02.midland.chevron.com!tsfsi@uunet.UU.NET (Sigrid
Stewart)
nat@netcom.com (Nathaniel Stitt)
tps@biosym.com (Tom Stockfisch)
stodolsk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David Stodolsky)
gadget@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Strong)
carey@CS.UCLA.EDU (Carey Sublette)
jsuttor@netcom.com (Jeff Suttor)
swain@cernapo.cern.ch (John Swain)
szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
ptheriau@netcom.com (P. Chris Theriault)
ak051@yfn.ysu.edu (Chris Thompson)
gunnar.thoresen@bio.uio.no (Gunnar Thoresen)
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp)
jerry@cse.lbl.gov (Jerry Tunis)
music@parcom.ernet.in (Rajeev Upadhye)
treon@u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery)
evore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric J Vore)
U13054@UICVM.BITNET (Howard Wachtel)
susan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Susan C Wade)
70023.3041@CompuServe.COM (Paul Wakfer)
ewalker@it.berklee.edu ("Elaine Walker")
jew@rt.sunquest.com (James Ward)
jeremy@ai.mit.edu (Jeremy M. Wertheimer)
bw@ws029.torreypinesca.NCR.COM (Bruce White 3807)
weeds@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Mark Wiedman)
wiesel-elisha@CS.YALE.EDU (Elisha Wiesel)
WILLINGP@gar.union.edu (WILLING, PAUL)
smw@alcor.concordia.ca (Steven Winikoff)
wright@hicomb.hi.com (David Wright)
ebusew@anah.ericsson.com (Stephen Wright 66667)
liquidx@cnexus.cts.com (Liquid-X)
xakellis@uivlsisl.csl.uiuc.edu (Michael G. Xakellis)
cs012113@cs.brown.edu (Ion Yannopoulos)
yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz)
lnz@lucid.com (Leonard N. Zubkoff)
62RSE@npd1.ufpe.br
adwyer@mason1.gmu.edu
ART@EMBL-Hamburg.DE
atfurman@cup.portal.com
billw@attmail.att.com
carl@red-dragon.umbc.edu
carlf@ai.mit.edu
cccbbs!chris.thompson@UCENG.UC.EDU
CCGARCIA@MIZZOU1.BITNET
clayb@cellar.org
dack@permanet.org
daedalus@netcom.com
danielg@autodesk.com
Dave-M@cup.portal.com
F_GRIFFITH@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU
garcia@husc.harvard.edu
gav@houxa.att.com
hammar@cs.unm.edu
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com
hhuang@Athena.MIT.EDU
hkhenson@cup.portal.com
irving@happy-man.com
jeckel@amugw.aichi-med-u.ac.jp
jgs@merit.edu
jmeritt@mental.mitre.org
Jonas_Marten_Fjallstam@cup.portal.com
kqb@whscad1.att.com
LPOMEROY@velara.sim.es.com
lubkin@apollo.hp.com
kunert@wustlb.wustl.edu
LINYARD_M@XENOS.a1.logica.co.uk
M.Michelle.Wrightwatson@att.com
moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
naoursla@eos.ncsu.edu
ng4@husc.harvard.edu
pase70!dchapman@uwm.edu
pocock@math.utah.edu
RUDI@HSD.UVic.CA
SCOTTJOR@delphi.com
stanton@ide.com
steveha@microsoft.com
stu1016@DISCOVER.WRIGHT.EDU
SYang.ES_AE@xerox.com
tim.hruby@his.com
Todd.Kaufmann@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu
UC482529@MIZZOU1.BITNET
WMILLER@clust1.clemson.edu
yost@mv.us.adobe.com
(The group still passes if you don't count the people for
whom I just have email address.)
-Brian <bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu>
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5746 | From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Reply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com
Lines: 14
In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu>, dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu
(Pixie) writes:
>
> Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you?
>
> I defy any theist to reply.
For all those people who insist I question authority: Why?
Chris Mussack
(This is another example of my biting, raw-edged humor that is
neither appreciated nor understood by everyone.)
#8;-)> {Messy hair, glasses, winking, smiling, big chin}
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5747 | From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca
Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Lines: 38
In article 20009@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:
>>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment.
>>He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you
>>ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.
>
>I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that
>includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as
>Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey
>with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.
>
>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about
>the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa
>Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek
>Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri
>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...
These players all are pretty good players. They are the depth that the
dynasties had to win Stanley Cups. They tend to be the very good second
line guys- who would be first liners on most weaker clubs in the NHL.
They were all important to their clubs. Probably, several of these
Stanley Cup winning teams would not have won the cups they did if it
were not for the depth provided by these players.
They compare to Rick Tocchet and Ron Francis of the Penguins. Very good
players who can lead lesser teams (Francis-Hartford, Tocchet-Philly) who
provide the depth to the team that is currently best in the NHL.
As a defensive forward, there have been none better than Bob Gainey. That
doesn't mean he was the best player (or even the best forward) the Canadians
had at that time, but he was excellent at what he did. Gainey could
dominate games with his defence. He didn't need to get goals to dominate.
He shut down the opposition and was thus valuable. There has never been
anyone any better at doing this. Not ever.
Gregmeister
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5748 | From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA
Lines: 32
In article <13269@news.duke.edu> klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) writes:
>
> I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these
>electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of
>memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough
>(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a
>vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for
>this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that
>are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow).
>
MK48T02 from thomsom. It has a timekeeper (clock) and 512 bytes of NVRAM which
has a lithium battery backup. The battery has a life of ~10 years of poweroff
operation. Installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not
draw much current. The battery would only be used when your auto battery was
dead or had been removed.
>Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with
>a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K
>actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a
>new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the
>buyer it has.
In California they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states
that the odometer mileage is correct. If incorrect you are required to
fill in what you know (or guesstimate) to be the correct mileage. If you
lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can
sue you for the value of the mileage differential.
--
Faster Horses
Younger Women
Older Whiskey
More Money!
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5749 | From: arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (arlen.r.martin)
Subject: Squeekin' Windows
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it "shook and rattled
like a tired taxi cab". There is one noise that is expecially irritating -
the back window squeaks. I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly
and window are not solid. Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have
you found any fixes?
Arlen Martin
AT&T Microelectronics
att!attme!stcarm
(215)391-2531
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5750 | From: drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve Liu)
Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
In article <1ps8d7INNrc0@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>In article <bauer-060493101758@134.60.68.23>, bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes:
>> In article <Afi9sHS00VohMrYlEe@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Donpaul C. Stephens"
>> <deathbird+@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>> >
>> > What is the difference?
>> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May
>> >
>> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only
>> > what is the best?
>>
>> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed.
>> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS)
>> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions.
>> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other
>> manufacturer
>>
>> Christian Bauer
>>
>> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
>
>
> I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average
>access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM
>drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models.
>
>- Chung Yang
>
I have the a CD-Technology drive with the Toshiba mechanism, and it is
supposedly the fast and best now. It has an access of 200ms and a data
transfer rate 300Kb/sec. It is multisession photo-cd compatible. It is
available from educorp for $599, the CD-Technology one, and comes with two
mail in coupons for two free CDs. I'm not sure if the cd's are good, since
I've only had the drive a little less than a month and had the cd's shipped
to my home address in california instead of here in maryland. The
CD-technology drive has a separate power supply separated from the drive,
which supposedly gives it a longer life, and keeps it cleaner with no fan to
attract dust. A Toshiba brand drive is also available, but I think the
CD-Technology is better, since you get the same mechanism, and at a slightly
lower price with two free CDs.
The Apple 300/330i Drive, Sony Mechanism, is around a 300ms access time I
think, and a data transfer rate of 300Kb/sec. I know it is the slowest of the
three mentioned here. It is not widely available, except through the apple
catalog, which is bad at a price of only $599. It is also multi-session photo
cd compatible. I think the external model comes with 7 free cds, some of
which are pretty good.
The NEC drive has been out the longest. it has an access time of 280ms and
a data transfer rate of 300Kb/sec. it is available from many vendors around
$600 dollars, including Educorp. It wasn't multi-sesssion photo-cd compatible
before, but I hear that the current version that is shipping is. Owners of
the older drives can get an upgrade. It does not come with any free cd's
unless you buy it in a bundle.
Of the three CD-Rom drives above, i think the best choices would be the
Apple drive and the CD-technology(toshiba) drive. The apple drive for it's
compatibility with apple products and the cd-technology(toshiba) for it's
speed and performance.
BTW, the models of the drives are:
Apple: AppleCD 300 or AppleCD 300i (internal)
CD-Technology: CD-T3401 (the Toshiba brand name model I'm not sure, but it
is also something like with 3401)
NEC: CDR-74
I'm very happy with my drive. And have had no compatibility problems
whatsoever. If I am wrong about any of the above, do correct me, but I am
pretty sure of myself, even when I think I'm not.
Also, some of you out there might notice that I have the same last name as
the president of CD-Technology which happens to be in southern california,
my hometown. However, I AM NOT a relative nor do I know the guy. Liu is
just a common chinese name, especially in southern california, with the
enormous chinese community. Besides, one of my doctors in california has
three Steve Liu's as patients and another Steve Liu comes to my school and
lives in the next dorm. This is to show that Liu is very common.
Steve :-)
--
Steve Liu |I wish for a better .sig
drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu |Suggestions are very welcome!
drlovemd@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu |
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5751 | From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 85
In article <1r27ld$bp2@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <C5t38G.IL@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>> In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>
>> [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the
>> "madmen" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on
>> the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.]
>
>Was THAT your argument. Well, you didn't make it very well. You started
>from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of
>insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident. Recall, one
>survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene
>lamp. Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no?
And another survivor claims he heard someone shouting "The fire's started!".
Odd terminology. That's what one says when you know a fire is planned, not
when one occurs by accident. We will have to wait and see what the evidence
shows, assuming one is willing to believe any evidence offered by the
"distrustful ones".
>> >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off
>> >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh
>> >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound.
>> >> These were the "perfect children" resulting from the "great seed" of
>> >> his "magnified horn". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar
>> >> to the way Jim Jones has been described.
>> >
>> >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance?
>> >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15.
>>
>> I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form.
>> The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable
>> enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire.
>
>"Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."
>
>Let me ask it more plainly. Which of the above complaints about David
>Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the
>Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?
Neither. Again I was merely addressing the sanity level of the players.
I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly from day one. BTW, I heard
on the news today that the affadavit behind the no-knock warrant was unsealed
today. Grenade launcher was the only thing on the list that I found
unusual.
>> >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set
>> >> >:by cult members.
>
>> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details,
>> >> will you believe them?
>
>> >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else
>> >who doesn't know them personally.
>
>> Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras?
>
>It's not entirely far-fetched. Nobody outside the compound would know
>EVERYBODY inside the compound. Don't forget, the BATF admits having
>agents inside the compound, in any case.
Ambitious news reporters could use the documentary filmed by an Australian
in 1992 on the compound grounds to help identify survivors. I, for one,
will check their stories for consistency with what I learned in a long
news story about that documentary.
>> At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors.
>> Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no
>> good if you believe in eternal darkness.
>
>I'm simply being the devil's advocate. There's reasonable doubt by the
>boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official
>government story on Waco.
Certainly there is some room for doubt. I certainly reserve the right
to change my opinions when new evidence warrants such a change. If I
were conspiratorially minded, however, I would never be able to change
my mind, because any evidence I disliked would have to be a lie
fabricated by the "distrustful ones".
--
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5752 | From: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (Jeremy Corry)
Subject: MBenz 300 series, VW Passat
Lines: 31
Nntp-Posting-Host: erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu
--
My boss is interested in a new 300 series Mercedes Benz wagon.
Does anyone have any testimonial evidence and/or strong opinions
on this car (or line)?
Particularly, I would like to hear about power (manual t. only)
reliability, feel, and any unusually good or bad features of the
line.
She currently drives a VW Passat, and is being plagued by its
electrical problems. The dealer claims there is nothing wrong,
even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them-
selves while you are driving down the road. The automatic shoulder
restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along.
She does not have the new, larger engine and is quite
dissatisfied with its lack of power.
The MB wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems
such as the Passat's electrical system. She is also considering
a Saab 9000 (add some letters). Any comparisons between the 9000
line and the Mercedes would be helpful.
Price is not an impediment.
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Jeremy J. Corry | Churchill claimed the traditions
jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu | of the navy are rum, mutiny, and
__ | sodomy.
\/
My opinions are my own, but I probably got them from someone else.
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5753 | From: greg@anacapa.NCEL.Navy.Mil (Gregory K. Ramsey)
Subject: Micron Computer, Inc. (Formerly Edge Technology)
Organization: Naval Civil Engineering Lab, Port Hueneme
Lines: 9
Since the net has convinced me not to try FastMicro (if they
were still answering their phones) does anybody have any
opinions on Micron Computer, Inc? Their 486VL Magnum got an
Editors Choice in the Jan 26th roundup of 486/66s.
Email and I'll sumarize.
Greg
greg@ncel.navy.mil
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5754 | From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
Subject: Cryptography FAQ 01/10 - Overview
Organization: The Crypt Cabal
Lines: 138
Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com
Summary: Part 1 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Overview. A table of
contents for subsequent sections. Contributors, feedback, archives,
administrivia.
X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part01
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 1: Overview
This is the first of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read this part before the rest. We
don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
Disclaimer: This document is the product of the Crypt Cabal, a secret
society which serves the National Secu---uh, no. Seriously, we're the
good guys, and we've done what we can to ensure the completeness and
accuracy of this document, but in a field of military and commercial
importance like cryptography you have to expect that some people and
organizations consider their interests more important than open
scientific discussion. Trust only what you can verify firsthand.
And don't sue us.
Many people have contributed to this FAQ. In alphabetical order:
Eric Bach, Steve Bellovin, Dan Bernstein, Nelson Bolyard, Carl Ellison,
Jim Gillogly, Mike Gleason, Doug Gwyn, Luke O'Connor, Tony Patti,
William Setzer. We apologize for any omissions.
If you have suggestions, comments, or criticism, please let the current
editors know by sending e-mail to crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu. We don't
assume that this FAQ is at all complete at this point.
Archives: sci.crypt has been archived since October 1991 on
cl-next2.cl.msu.edu, though these archives are available only to U.S. and
Canadian users. Please contact crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu if you know of
other archives.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Table of contents:
1 Overview
2 Net Etiquette
* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?
* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?
* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?
3 Basic Cryptology
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
4 Mathematical Cryptology
* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?
* What is an attack?
* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?
* Why is the one-time pad secure?
* What's a ciphertext-only attack?
* What's a known-plaintext attack?
* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?
* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?
* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?
5 Product ciphers
* What is a product cipher?
* What makes a product cipher secure?
* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers?
* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher?
* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size?
* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication?
* What exactly is DES?
* What is triple DES?
* What is differential cryptanalysis?
* How was NSA involved in the design of DES?
* Is DES available in software?
* Is DES available in hardware?
* Can DES be used to protect classified information?
* What are "ECB", "CBC", "CFB", and "OFB" encryption?
6 Public-Key Cryptography
* What is public-key cryptography?
* What's RSA?
* Is RSA secure?
* How fast can people factor numbers?
* What about other public-key cryptosystems?
7 Digital Signatures and Hash Functions
* What is a one-way hash function?
* What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.?
* What are MD4 and MD5?
* What is Snefru?
8 Technical Miscellany
* How do I recover from lost passwords in WordPerfect?
* How do I break a Vigenere (repeated-key) cipher?
* How do I send encrypted mail under UNIX? [PGP, RIPEM, PEM, ...]
* Is the UNIX crypt command secure?
* How do I use compression with encryption?
* Is there an unbreakable cipher?
* What does ``random'' mean in cryptography?
* What is the unicity point (a.k.a. unicity distance)?
* What is key management and why is it important?
* Can I use pseudo-random or chaotic numbers as a key stream?
* What is the correct frequency list for English letters?
* What is the Enigma?
* How do I shuffle cards?
* Can I foil S/W pirates by encrypting my CD-ROM?
* Can you do automatic cryptanalysis of simple ciphers?
* What is the coding system used by VCR+?
9 Other Miscellany
* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?
* What are the US export regulations?
* What is TEMPEST?
* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?
* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?
* Is RSA patented?
* What about the Voynich manuscript?
10 References
* Books on history and classical methods
* Books on modern methods
* Survey articles
* Reference articles
* Journals, conference proceedings
* Other
* How may one obtain copies of FIPS and ANSI standards cited herein?
* Electronic sources
* RFCs (available from [FTPRF])
* Related newsgroups
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5755 | From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Lines: 22
In article <C51C4r.BtG@csc.ti.com> rowlands@hc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) writes:
>
>A few years ago a friend and I took some 256 grey-level photos from
>a 1 bit Mac Plus screen using this method. Displaying all 256 levels
>synchronized to the 60Hz display took about 10 seconds.
Why didn't you create 8 grey-level images, and display them for
1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128... time slices?
This requires the same total exposure time, and the same precision in
timing, but drastically reduces the image-preparation time, no?
--
Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station
(205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
|
5756 | From: jec@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Contraceptive pill
Reply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Nntp-Posting-Host: mythen.zurich.ibm.com
Organization: Watson Research Center
Lines: 9
A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive
pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to
fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the
ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine
pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian
tube ?
J.Cherbonnier
jec@zurich.ibm.com
|
5757 | From: schultz@schultz.kgn.ibm.com (Karl Schultz)
Subject: Re: VESA standard VGA/SVGA programming???
Reply-To: schultz@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWS Graphics Systems
Keywords: vga
Lines: 45
|> 1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard?
The VESA standard can be requested from VESA:
VESA
2150 North First Street, Suite 440
San Jose, CA 95131-2029
Ask for the VESA VBE and Super VGA Programming starndards. VESA
also defines local bus and other standards.
The VESA standard only addresses ways in which an application
can find out info and capabilities of a specific super VGA
implementation and to control the video mode selection
and video memory access.
You still have to set your own pixels.
|> 2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode,
|> where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold
|> all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I
|> heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know
|> nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone?
VESA defines a "window" that is used to access video memory.
This window is anchored at the spot where you want to write,
and then you can write as far as the window takes you (usually
64K). Windows have granularities, so you can't just anchor
them anywhere. Also, some implementations allow two windows.
|> 3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called
|> SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the
|> above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards?
This is VESA mode 101h. There is a Set Display Start function
that might be useful for scrolling.
|> Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions
|> would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail.
Your best bet is to write VESA for the info. There have also
been announcements on this group of VESA software.
--
Karl Schultz schultz@vnet.ibm.com
These statements or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM
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5758 | From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Panther's President
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA
Lines: 27
NNTP-Posting-Host: teal
In article <1993Apr20.180241.10263@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM
>already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators
>will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we
>see the Panthers second.
Actually, fired-coach George Kingston was a third of the GM
triumvirate. Now that the trio is now duo (Dean Lombardi and Chuck
Grillo), the Sharks are already on their 3rd "office of the GM". And a
4th is likely to happen before September; they'll either add the new
coach to the OofGM, or name a single GM. So your wager should be
amended to read that Sharks are likely to have their 5th GM before the
Panther's get their 2nd. Can't wait to see how the next season's NHL
Guide and Record Book lists the GM history of the Sharks.
Given the depth of next year's draft, the expansion draft rules, and
the reputation of their GMs, Anaheim and Miami look pretty good as the
first 90s expansion teams to win a Cup. San Jose and Ottawa have
instability at the GM position, something that Philly, NYI, Edmonton,
and Calgary did not have when they won their first Cups. Pittsburgh
did, but they needed a quarter century.
--
Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but
their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their
players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his
wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in
rec.sport.hockey
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5759 | From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500352:cdp:1483500353:000:3689
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 22 17:31:00 1993
Lines: 83
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Dear Josh
I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions.
Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers.
1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards
identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S.
citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are
just trying to mislead the reader ? Do you know of any democratic
country where people are asked to reveal their ethnical or
religious identity to any public official who so requests ?
2. The answer to the second question is evasive. There are all
kinds of maps issued. They are not equivalent to State policy.
You did not respond to my question.
3. Your answer to the third question (Israeli nuclear arsenal) is
interesting. You say that Israeli 'probably' stocks nuclear
weapons. What evidence have you for maintaining that ?
4. My fourth question was answered by someone else who posted a
Ma'ariv article documenting such cases. I did not ask about cases
like Vanunu (everybody knew he was tried and imprisoned) but about
those about whom nobody even knows that they have been tried and
imprisoned.
5. Thanks for clarifying the question concerning the legal status
of the inhabitants of the occupied territories. From it I
understand that there are two sets of laws in these ares, one for
the occupier (civil law) and one for the occupied (military law).
The law allows Israeli Arabs to settle in Hebron, it seems. If so,
why doesn't it allow Hebron Arabs to settle in Israel ?
6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return
conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands
of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under
Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from
returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also
left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to
return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ?
Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge
somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in
his homeland ?
7. Somebody answered my 7.question regarding Y. Rabin signing an
order for ethnical cleansing in 1948. According to that
information, Y. Rabin signed the order for the expulsion of all
inhabitants of Lydda and Ramleh, about 50,000 people. These
expulsions were helped by massacres of civilians and other
atrocities which remind Bosnia. I was referred to a book by
Israeli journalist Benny Goodman called The Origin of the
Palestinian Refugee Problem, published by Cambridge University
Press. Is this book available in your library ?
8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in
Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very
little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many
Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are
not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want
Arabs ?
9. My question about the lack of civil marriage in Israel was
whether it is true that the Israeli legislator intended to
discourage intermarriage. You did not address this question but
evaded it by saying that the 'entire religious establishment wants
to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious
communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish
civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests
to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a
secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory.
I would be glad to have some more input from you after these
comments.
Elias
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5760 | From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Smoker's Lungs
Article-I.D.: blue.7934
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting?
>Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take
>a considerable amount of time for that to happen?
The answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without
doing a lot of autopsies. The second question is something that's been
known for some time. It appears that within about 15 years of quitting
smoking a person's risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the
person who never smoked (assuming you do not get lung cancer in the
interim!). The risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per
day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non-smoker. Still
rather low overall, but significant. Personally, I'd be more concerned
about heart disease secondary to smoking -- it's much more common, and
even a small increase in risk is significant there.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =
= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer! =
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5761 | From: rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris)
Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Summary: 3DO demonstration
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video
Lines: 73
In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com> ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu> writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez
>|> Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>|> > And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is
>|> >a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something
>|> >like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites.
[snip]
(the 3DO is not a 68000!!!)
>|>
>|> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an
>|> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec.
>|> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be
>|> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit
>|> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC
>|> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation,
>|> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly
>|> dynamic material.
[snip]
>booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture
>using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot
>quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one
>(1.5).
>
> They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite
>nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by
>3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it
>wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he
>increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps.
>
> Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know
>what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime
>could play back at the same speed even on an LCII.
>
> Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having
>a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was
>from memory!
>
> Could it be that you saw either a newer version of quicktime, or some
>hardware assisted Centris, or another software product running the
>animation (like supposedly MacroMind's Accelerator?)?
>
> Don't misunderstand me, I just want to clarify this.
>
The 3DO box is based on an ARM RISC processor, one or two custom graphics
chips, a DSP, a double-speed CDROM, and 2MB of RAM/VRAM. (I'm a little
fuzzy on the breakdown of the graphics chips and RAM/VRAM capacity).
It was demonstrated at a recent gathering at the Electronic Cafe in
Santa Monica, CA. From 3DO, RJ Mical (of Amiga/Lynx fame) and Hal
Josephson (sp?) were there to talk about the machine and their plan. We
got to see the unit displaying full-screen movies using the CompactVideo codec
(which was nice, very little blockiness showing clips from Jaws and Backdraft)
... and a very high frame rate to boot (like 30fps).
Note however that the 3DO's screen resolution is 320x240.
CompactVideo is pretty amazing... I also wanted to point out that QuickTime
does indeed slow down when one dynamically resizes material as was stated
above... I'm sure if the material had been compressed at the large size
then it would play back fine (I have a Q950 and do this quite a bit). The
price of generality... personally I don't use the dynamic sizing of movies
often, if ever. But playing back stuff at its original size is plenty quick
on the latest 040 machines.
I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in
the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much?
Rob Barris
Quicksilver Software Inc.
rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu
|
5762 | From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) says:
>
>In a previous article, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) says:
>
>>
>> How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the
>>Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these
>>countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic
>>Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I thought there are no jews live in Arab countries, didn't hey move
>all to Palestine? "Only the happy jews did not move!!"
>
>Would you tell me which Arab country is prohipiting the Jews from
>migrating to Palestine?
the last arab country was syria. but not all of them
migrated due to the jewish state economical and
securital dilemma!
>
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|
5763 | From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra)
Subject: Re: 17" Monitors
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Lines: 20
In article <C5pIsw.Kq8@cs.mcgill.ca> gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor
>of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,
>no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used
Not only do you lose AccuColor, you also had to give up 1280x1024
non-interlaced mode, the wider 135 Mhz bandwidth and the Mac
and BNC inputs of the 5FG.
Personally I am not bothered at all by the two lines in
trinitron tube.
> Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii
don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93)
+ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +
|
5764 | Subject: CD's For Sale
From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Lines: 19
Hi!
I have the following 2 CD's for sale. These are absolutely new and in
the original packing.
Artist Album Original Sale
Price Price
Madonna The Immaculate Collection $19.95+ $11.95
Pet Shop Boys Discography $19.95 $11.95
If you are interested, pls. contact me at:
parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Thanks.
-M. Parikh
|
5765 | From: u2i02@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (RJ Pomeroy)
Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait
Lines: 72
From article <Apr.15.00.58.22.1993.28891@athos.rutgers.edu>, by ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci):
> Coming from a long line of "hot tempered" people, I know temper when I see
> it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is
> when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic.
I do hope that you are not suggesting that merely because a person
replies in an "acrid, angry and sarcastic" manner that this
demonstrates their 'non-christianity'? The simple fact is that there
is not a Christian on the face of the planet (that I know of!) that is
perfect. I have been known at times to have a fit of temper, or a
sulk, but this does not make me any the less a Christian.
One of the points of being a Christian (as I perceive it) is to become
MORE LIKE Christ. This statement inherently suggests that we ARE NOT
already like Christ. Jesus never unrighteously lost his temper. I
do. Jesus was perfect. I'm not.
> We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again
> christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to
> christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were
> "spiritually hungry." Instead of answering questions with sweetness and
> sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries.
You must understand that this is because Christians often forget to
treat others as our role-model - Christ - would. This is because we are
human and falible. I, for one, do not pretend to be infalible, and I
hope that my fellow-men will bear with me when I make mistakes. This
surely is not too much to ask, when I make every effort to bear with
_them_.
> You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm.
And don't we know it!
> Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish.
Again I say, we are ALL human!
To my brethren, this:
Ms Duticci has a valid point and we as Christians ought to heed the
warning in her article. We oftimes discredit ourselves and our
Saviour, in the way that we treat others. Strive towards the goal set
us by our Lord, but in the meantime, remember :
"There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ..."
When you blow it - go easy on yourself. Forgive yourself, as your
Father in heaven forgives you! And remember - and this is something I
firmly beieve and cling to - one day, we shall see Him face to face,
and in that day, we shall (finally!) be perfected.
I look forward to seeing you there.
RRRRR OO BBBBB :
R R OO OO B B :
R R OO OO B BB : Robert Pomeroy
R RR O O B B :
RRRR O O BBBBB : u2i02@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk
R R O O B B :
R R OO OO B BB : 1993
R R OO OO B B :
R R OO BBBBB :
PS If you want to draw anything to my attention, then please mail me
direct, because I don't often read the news...
PPS If I have offended anyone with this article, I beg your
forgiveness, in advance!
|
5766 | From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall)
Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu
snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>If Saddam believed in God, he would pray five times a
>day.
>
>Communism, on the other hand, actually committed genocide in the name of
>atheism, as Lenin and Stalin have said themselves. These two were die
>hard atheist (Look! A pun!) and believed in atheism as an integral part
>of communism.
No, Bobby. Stalin killed millions in the name of Socialism. Atheism was a
characteristic of the Lenin-Stalin version of Socialism, nothing more.
Another characteristic of Lenin-Stalin Socialism was the centralization of
food distribution. Would you therefore say that Stalin and Lenin killed
millions in the name of rationing bread? Of course not.
>More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else.
In earlier posts you stated that true (Muslim) believers were incapable of
evil. I suppose if you believe that, you could reason that no one has ever
been killed in the name of religion. What a perfect world you live in,
Bobby.
>One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving
>God a form. God does not have a "face".
Bobby is referring to a rather obscure law in _The Good Atheist's
Handbook_:
Law XXVI.A.3: Give that which you do not believe in a face.
You must excuse us, Bobby. When we argue against theism, we usually argue
against the Christian idea of God. In the realm of Christianity, man was
created in God's image.
--
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| Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA USA marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |
|____________________________________________________________________|
|
5767 | Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr4.163015.10438@highlite.uucp>, croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis
A. Ney) says:
[of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.]
>It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after
>watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down
>the toilet.
Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country
just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather
a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way
to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...)
While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I
couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might
not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for
suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should
be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain
he won't.
"...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."
[Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them.
|
5768 | From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should
>be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about
>the transmission and taking my chances.
There should be no worries about the trans.
>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
Does this count?
$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
return...)
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
|
5769 | From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt)
Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo
Organization: TELXON Corporation
Lines: 45
In article <1993Apr20.142818.14969@ericsson.se> etxmst@sta.ericsson.se writes:
>Hello netters!
>
>I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy
>Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days.
>This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore).
>They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that,
> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more
>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he
>didn't rent it from Alamo.
>
>Does anyone have some info on this?
>
>Is $225 a rip-off?
No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city.
>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance?
Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. If you plan on
paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card
automatically covers rental cars. Also, your own auto insurance may
cover rental cars also.
Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and
require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it. The
credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of
coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell.
I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this
same practice.
>Is the beretta a good rental car?
Yes. It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and
acceleration-wise, but very adequate. It will have an automatic
transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power
windows and door locks.
Joe
--
Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com
P.O. Box 5582 | "Usenet is like Tetris for people who still
Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read."
(216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller
|
5770 | From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March
Originator: hasan@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
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Sorry guys for this long article, but in fact it is mostly quotings..
In article <FLAX.93Apr6125933@frej.teknikum.uu.se>, flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:
|> |>when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that
|> |>the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE,
|> |>and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on
|> |>the ground of occupied territories.
|> |>
|> >No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance
|> >of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals
|> >right
|> |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the
|> |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have
|> |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights.
|>
|>
|> First, my above statement doesnot say that "the existence of israeli citizens
|> in the WB revoke their right of life" but it says "the israeli occupation
|> of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically
|> revokes the right of for its military men". Clearly, occupation is an
|> undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate.
|>
|> Ok, let me re-phrase the question. I have repeatedly asked you if the
|> Israelis have less human rights than the palestinians,
well, if you just waited for 5 more lines you would have read my statement
"Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but ..."
|> and if so, why.
because they belong to the human race, or do you disagree on that too ?
|> From your posting (where you did not directly adress my question) I inferred
|> that you thought so. Together with the above statement I then assumed that the
|> reason was the actions of the state of Israel. Re: your statement of
|> occupation: I'd like you to define the term, so I don't have to repeat this
|> 'drag the answer out of hasan' procedure more than neccesary.
|>
|> Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to
|> protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing
|> Palestinean human rights.
|>
|> I'm sorry, but the above sentence does not make sense. Please rephrase it.
I donot know about you, but it makes full sense to me.
Israelis are being killed because Israel is occupying , Let israel withdraw
and israeli blood will be saved. It isNOT the palestineans who undermined
the right of life of israelis, but it is israel which occupied and exposed
the life of its citizens to the the unconcluded war of 1967 !
More generally, the violence in the occupied terretories is part of the intifada,
and i had previously posted a "long" article about this issue, whom i finished
by an open question:
Suppose the Intifada stops, What is the motive for Israel to withdraw ?
donot tell hope for peace and this bullshit. Everybody in the world looks
and hopes for peace, so why isnot there any. hope of peace is necessary
but not sufficient motive.
|> |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then
|> |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all?
|>
|>
|> Because not all states are like Israel,as oppressive,as ignorant,or as tyrant.
|>
|> Oh, ok. So how about the human rights of the Syrians, Iraqis and others?
|> Does the name of Hama sound familiar? Or how about the kurds in Iraq and
|> Turkey?
|> How about the Same in Sweden (Ok, maybe a bit farfetched..) the Russians in
|> the Baltic states or the Moslem in the old USSR and Yugoslavia?
|> Do the serbs have any human rights remainaing, according to you?
As for the Arabian countries, their problems are an Arabian concern.
the Arabian people can deal with it themselves, if the west doesnot intervene.
As for Serbs, I donot think that those FUCKED UP RAPISTS (excuse my language
but it really hurts as much if I was in Bosnia itself) areNOT humans. Those
surely came from outer space or something. No human can allow himself
to see such attrocities than to participate in.
|> |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem?
|> |>
|> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because
|> |> any system can solve it.
|> |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine).
|> |>
|> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that
|> |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your
|> |> reply.
|>
|> So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights.
|> (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph).
|>
|> No, I'm agreeing that to just kick all the Palestinians out of Israel proper
|> would probably lead to disaster for both parties. If that's what you refer
|> to as the 'Israeli solution' then so be it.
Ok.
|> |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization)
|> |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940:
|> |> "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both
|> |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal
|> |> ^^^ ^^^
|> |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country.
|> |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of
|> |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than
|> |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to
|> |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be
|> |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to
|> |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."
|> |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967
|> |> ("Courtesy" of Marc Afifi)
|> |>
|> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to
|> |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS
|> |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd
|> |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to
|> |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he
|> |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have
|> |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will
|> |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff]
|>
|> >Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment
|> >is full with men like Joseph Weitz.
|>
|> Oh? Have you met with them personally, to read their diaries? Fascinating.
|> What do you _do_ for a living?
|>
|> |> "We" and "our" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which).
|> |>
|> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the
|> |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem !
|> |>
|> |> I think that is fair enough .
|> |>
|> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve
|> |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction.
|>
|> Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ):
|> any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would
|> resolve it JUSTLY.
|>
|> An unjust solution would be a non-solution, per definition, no?
My definition is the same as yours, but one has to look into the world politics.
In politics, a "solution" doesNOT imply "JUST solution".
|> You said the following:
|>
|> For all A it holds that A have property B.
|> There exists an A such that property B does not hold.
|>
|> Thus, either or both statements must be false.
|>
|> |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land.
|>
|> >You are proving yourself as a " ". First you understood what i meant, but then
|> >you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic.
|> >Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom.
|>
|> I was merely pointing out a not so small flaw in your reasoning.
|> Since you claim to be logical I felt it best to point this out
|> before you started using your statements to prove a point or so.
|> Am I then to assume you are not logical?
It seems that it was problem in the definition of "solution".
I think a solution must be just, because otherwise it would never be lasting.
However, when politicians say a solution, they donot mean a just solution but
just a solution.
|> |> "The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children".
|> |> -Rabbi Shoham.
|> |>
|> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are
|> |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit.
|>
|> >Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in ,
|> >if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts,
|> >well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said
|> >"Yes, Zionism is racism".
|> >If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism.
|> >If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in
|> >condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts.
|>
|> Any quote can be misused, especially when used to stereotype all
|> individuals by a statement of an individual. If you use the same
|> methods that you credit 'Zionists' with, then where does that place you?
|>
|> Oh, by the way, I'd advice you not to assume anything about my 'loyalties'.
|> I will and am condemning acts I find vile and inhuman, but I'll try as
|> long as I can not to assume those acts are by a whole people.
|> By zionist above do you mean the state of Israel, the government of Israel,
|> the leaders of Israel (political and/or religious) or the jews in
|> general? If you feel the need to condemn, condemn those responsible
|> instead. How would you feel if we started condemning you personally
|> based on the bombings in Egypt?
|>
|> Jonas Flygare,
Hasan
|
5771 | From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 43
|What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of
|proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car
|cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access
|to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the
|time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every
|day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I
|see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a
|revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple
|of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a
|disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang
|gang members were "practicing" shooting. They were actually practicing
|taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target
|and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are
|are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most
|state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live
|in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news
|and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here
|than there.
However, don't forget that the police in Chicago can carry just about
anything they want except for the Glock, which is not approved for
carry (Guess they figure all cops are like the Police Chief of Winnetka,
who happened to let off a stray round of 9mm. This is the same anti-gun
police chief that wanted full-auto Uzis for his patrol cars...).
Perhaps in the judgement of the majority of Chicago's finest, a close-to-
100% reliable weapon like a revolver is preferable to a 99.99% reliable
automatic. I note that in Germany, where certainly the 9mm semi-auto
handgun is king, some of the more elite police types want revolvers.
I don't think the issue is cost, because Chicago police certainly make
on the order of at least $40K/year.
Your presumption of "disadvantage" I think is not borne out by the
experiences of New York City's cops; there the cops usually come out
on top with their standard .38 Spl revolvers.
I've seen S&Ws, Rugers and Beretta 9mms in addition to the revolvers
carried by Chicago cops.... in the past, I've seen .45 M1911s; others
have seen Browning Hi-Powers...
|Jason
|
5772 | From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Subject: Re: PostScript on X-terminal
Lines: 42
Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Organization: Trent University
I tried to e-mail you but it bounced so...
Hi there,
In article <4263@his.UUCP> you write:
>From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort)
>Subject: PostScript on X-terminal
>
>
> I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local
>on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect
>to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the
>PostScript cannot connect to the news-display.
>
> Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal?
>
> Is there any way to make it work?
>
It might be that the X terminal doesn't support the "Postscript
Extensions to X" product. I use the 'dxpsview' program on a
DECstation 5000 to view postscript files but when I moved to an
NCD X terminal, I couldn't use it any more. So I ftp'd and
compiled GhostScript (GNU software). Now we can view postscript
files on our X terminals.
Hope this helps.
Grant
>
> Henrik "Henrik Hjort" Hjort
>
>
>
>
--
Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario
GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246
========================================================================
Take everything in stride. Trample anyone who gets in your way.
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5773 | From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)
Subject: Ellipse Again
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 39
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu
Keywords: ellipse
Hi! Everyone,
Because no one has touched the problem I posted last week, I guess
my question was not so clear. Now I'd like to describe it in detail:
The offset of an ellipse is the locus of the center of a circle which
rolls on the ellipse. In other words, the distance between the ellipse
and its offset is same everywhere.
This problem comes from the geometric measurement when a probe is used.
The tip of the probe is a ball and the computer just outputs the
positions of the ball's center. Is the offset of an ellipse still
an ellipse? The answer is no! Ironically, DMIS - an American Indutrial
Standard says it is ellipse. So almost all the software which was
implemented on the base of DMIS was wrong. The software was also sold
internationaly. Imagine, how many people have or will suffer from this bug!!!
How many qualified parts with ellipse were/will be discarded? And most
importantly, how many defective parts with ellipse are/will be used?
I was employed as a consultant by a company in Los Angeles last year
to specially solve this problem. I spent two months on analysis of this
problem and six months on programming. Now my solution (nonlinear)
is not ideal because I can only reconstruct an ellipse from its entire
or half offset. It is very difficult to find the original ellipse from
a quarter or a segment of its offset because the method I used is not
analytical. I am now wondering if I didn't touch the base and make things
complicated. Please give me a hint.
I know you may argue this is not a CG problem. You are right, it is not.
However, so many people involved in the problem "sphere from 4 poits".
Why not an ellipse? And why not its offset?
Please post here and let the others share our interests
(I got several emails from our netters, they said they need the
summary of the answers).
Yeh
USC
|
5774 | From: jmg14@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Graham)
Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse
Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt3ns$mdu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
I believe that in order to get at the innards of the new mouse,
you must remove the label on the bottom that says "Apple Desktop
Bus Mouse II" There you should find two screws on either side.
I haven't tried it myself yet, but when I ran my fingernail
accross the label, these two divots appeared, and I can only assume
that these are the elusive screws in question.
cheers,
john
--
******John M. Graham***********************
******The Cleveland Institute of Music*****
******jmg14@po.cwru.edu********************
Brought to you by the letters J, M, and G, and the number 14.
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5775 | From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)
Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace)
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 36
In article <1993Apr19.223054.10273@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
>Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands.
>Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must
>never forget...
>
>
>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
>
>Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem
>have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past.
>
> Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by
> control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race
> or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary.
>
>>I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as
>>well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful
>>discussion and enrichment.
>>
>>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND
>
>Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos
>off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed.
>
>-- Chris Metcalfe
Chris, solid job at discussing the inherent Nazism in Mr. Davidsson's post.
Oddly, he has posted an address for hate mail, which I think we should
all utilize. And Elias,
Wie nur dem Koph nicht alle Hoffnung schwindet,
Der immerfort an schalem Zeuge klebt?
Peace,
pete
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5776 | From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker)
Subject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 26
wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) writes:
>The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church's
>history. They do not have the same spiritual quality as the
>rest of Scripture. I do not believe the church that added these
>books was guided by the Spirit in so doing. And that is where
>this sort of discussion ultimately ends.
>David H. Wagner
>a confessional Lutheran "Now thank we all our God
Whoah whoah whoah WHOAH!!! What?!?
That last paragraph just about killed me. The Deuterocanonicals have
ALWAYS been accepted as inspired scripture by the Catholic Church,
which has existed much longer than any Protestant Church out there.
It was Martin Luther who began hacking up the bible and deciding to
REMOVE certain books--not the fact that the Catholic Church decided
to add some much later--that is the reason for the difference between
"Catholic" and "Protestant" bibles.
Sorry for the tone--but that comment really irked me.
- Mike Walker
mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Univ. of Illinois)
|
5777 | From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee)
Subject: Windows Speaker Sound Driver
Summary: Where can I ftp it?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Lines: 7
Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's
a "sound.exe" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since
it's not a .drv file.
Thanks
Alec Lee
|
5778 | From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Lines: 56
It is appropriate to add what Himmler said other "inferior races"
and "human animals" in his speech at Posen and elsewhere:
From the speech of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, before SS
Major-Generals, Posen, October 4 1943
["Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV, p. 559]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we
must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own
blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech,
does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer
in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping
their children and raising them with us. Whether nations live in
prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we
need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest
to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion
while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so far as
the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be rough
and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans,
who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude
towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these
human animals. But it is a crime against our own blood to worry
about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and
grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When someone
comes to me and says, "I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women
and children, it is inhuman, for it will kill them", then I
would have to say, "you are a murderer of your own blood because
if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die, and
they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood".
Extract from Himmler's address to party comrades, September 7 1940
["Trials of Wa Criminals", Vol. IV, p. 1140]
------------------------------------------------------------------
If any Pole has any sexual dealing with a German woman, and by this
I mean sexual intercourse, then the man will be hanged right in
front of his camp. Then the others will not do it. Besides,
provisions will be made that a sufficient number of Polish women
and girls will come along as well so that a necessity of this
kind is out of the question.
The women will be brought before the courts without mercy, and
where the facts are not sufficiently proved - such borderline
cases always happen - they will be sent to a concentration camp.
This we must do, unless these one million Poles and those
hundreds of thousands of workers of alien blood are to inflict
untold damage on the German blood. Philosophizing is of no avail
in this case. It would be better if we did not have them at all -
we all know that - but we need them.
-Danny Keren.
|
5779 | From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD)
Subject: RTrace 8.2.0
Keywords: ray tracing
Nntp-Posting-Host: bart
Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal
Lines: 83
There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (8.2.0) at
asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace.
Check the README file.
RTrace now can use the SUIT toolkit to have a nice user interface.
Compile it with -DSUIT or modify the Makefile.
SUIT is available at suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu
I have binaries of RTrace with SUIT for SUN Sparc, SGI Indigo
and DOS/GO32.
Please contact me if interested.
****************************************
The MAC RTrace 1.0 port is in directory pub/RTrace/Macintosh
Thanks to Reid Judd (reid.judd@east.sun.com) and
Greg Ferrar (gregt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu).
****************************************
Small changes were done since version 8.1.0, mainly:
1. Now it is possible to discard backface polygons and triangles
for fast preview...
2. The support program scn2sff has been reworked to use temp files.
****************************************
Here goes a short description of current converters from
CAD/molecular/chemistry packages to the SCN format.
The package programs are related as below (those marked with * have been
modified)
irit2scn
IRIT ----------------|
| NFF (nffclean, nffp2pp)
sol2scn | |
ACAD11 ---------------| | nff2sff
| |
mol2scn v scn2sff* v rtrace*
ALCHEMY -----------> SCN -----------> SFF ----------> PIC or PPM
^ cpp |
pdb2scn | picmix
PDB -----------------| picblend
| ppmmix*
chem2scn | ppmblend*
CHEMICAL --------------|
|
3ds2scn* |
3D STUDIO --------------|
|
iv2scn* |
IRIS Inventor -----------|
****************************************
The DOS port of RTrace is in pub/RTrace/PC-386 (rtrac820.arj,
utils820.arj and image820.arj). See the README file there.
Requires DJGPP GO32 DOS extender (version 1.09 included), which can be
found in directory pub/PC/djgpp (and in many sites around netland).
There are also demo scenes, manuals and all the source code...
****************************************
Please feel free to get it and use it.
Hope you like it.
Regards,
Antonio Costa.
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O O
/ / I N E S C
| O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt
| |\ | O |
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| | \| / / |
| | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!...
O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006
/ \ / \
O O O "Let the good times roll..."
|
5780 | From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander)
Subject: Re: Lemieux, NHLPA'93, and other thoughts
Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine
Lines: 16
I think that NHLPA' 93 is the best video game available now.
of course many things could be done better, but i really appreciate that
the names of players are the real ones, no matter if it lacks some logos...
I am still playing it since November leading different teams to the finals
and making scorers from the same team compete for the top scoring:
Yesterday I won the title using Toronto against Hartford (4 games to two),
I played the playoffs in a 7 games fashion (5 minutes for each period) and
the best scorer and shooter was Gilmour (116 shots if I remember well)
--
_____________________________________________________
Iskander AYARI
Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr
_____________________________________________________
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5781 | From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Lines: 66
In article <18APR93.25909598.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>Aargh!
>
>Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL.
>He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques.
>The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself,
>was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords
>get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!!
No. Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the
reason Quebec won. Everybody said it would come down to goaltending, that
goaltending was the key, etc etc. Well, the key doesn't quite fit if you're
Montreal. The Dionne penalty was kind of a cheesy call, but let's face it;
he literally left his feet to throw an elbow. Blaming Stewart is just an
excuse to avoid facing the fact that Roy allowed what was one of the worst
goals he could possibly allow. He even saw the whole shot, dammit. Besides,
Stewart evened things up a bit by calling a Quebec penalty in OT.
Montreal played a solid game (although they still don't know how to clear
traffic in front of the net; the loss of Schneider will hurt even more).
Normally I would say that any team that blows a 2-goal lead with less than
five, let alone two, minutes to go in regulation time IN A PLAYOFF GAME
ESPECIALLY needs to be smacked upside their collective heads. But I don't
think this was a team loss (although Keane should have been able to clear
the zone just prior to the first Quebec goal). Roy is paid big money to
play. He looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot.
Demers should start Racicot in the next game. If not that, he should let
the damn team read the papers for the next day or two....and maybe this
article, if possible.
>Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and
>on his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have
>gone in.
I didn't think the wrap-around was as bad as the second goal. I also didn't
think Scott Young should have gotten around the defender (can't remember who)
in the first place. But you are correct, it shouldn't have gone in
regardless.
>Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--)
Yep. Moog looked bad on Mogilny's goal with five seconds left in the second,
IMO. How about Neely though? Holy shit, what a player.
Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a
team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their
zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red
Army.
But I still hate the team.
On the rest of the games: Didn't St. Louis' winning goal come on a
powerplay? Penalties will cost Chicago dearly, especially against Detroit.
Same goes for Calgary; very, very undisciplined. When Marty McSorely is
waving guys to the bench to *avoid* fights, you know something's up. New
Jersey was overmatched, Terreri's heroics notwithstanding. Mario is
unbelievable, and Jagr for some reason shows up in the playoffs. But I
hate that team anyway.
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan)
|
5782 | From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Subject: Re: Kevin Rogers
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 14
>/ hpcc01:rec.sport.baseball / pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu / 12:23 pm Apr 14, 1993 /
>
>What's up with Kevin Rogers of San Francisco?? I thought he was slated to be
>the fifth starter, but he's only gotten a few relief appearences. Are they
>going with four starters for now, or is someone else the fifth?
>
> Thanks,
> P. Tierney
>----------
>
Giant's have a five man rotation of John Burkett, Trevor Wilson,
Bill Swift, Jeff Brantley, and Bud Black/Dave Burba. Black has
been put on the 15 day disables and Dave Burba will take his starts.
|
5783 | From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: What's so bad about the new playoff format?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Lines: 23
In article <115330@bu.edu> icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes:
>
> What's so bad about the new playoff format? Do you really believe teams
>that finish fourth in their div. deserve to be in the playoffs?
>With the new format, you have more of a chance to see more teams. Do you
>really want to see the Bruins against the Sabres umpteen times or would
>you rather see the Bruins and the Capitals in the secound round of playoffs?
There is really nothing inherently wrong with it but they tried it just
a little over a decade ago, and noone showed up for the early rounds in
the playoffs...whereas soon after they went to the divisional set-up
arenas were mostly filled in the early rounds.
The empirical evidence of the last two decades is that more people will
show up to see the Bruins play the Sabre umpteen times than see the
Bruins play the Captials in the first round.
Maybe hockey has increased in popularity sufficiently that this will
no longer be the case. The experiment is worthwhile with the uneven
distribution of the expansion teams, but I prefer the divisional
playoff.
Gerald
|
5784 | From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Subject: European M/C Insurance
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company
Lines: 16
Nntp-Posting-Host: os-d.isc-br.com
Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living
and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there? An
Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years,
and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance. So I
thought I'd ask...
I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement),
and have had for 30 years. I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety
instructor, if that info might help.
I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in
buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.
--
H. Marc Lewis | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into
marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
|
5785 | From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 18
jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
> In article <1993Apr4.051942.27095@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.
> >
> >And after the Leafs make cream cheese of the Philadelphia side tomorrow
> >night the Leafs will be without equal.
>
> Then again, maybe not.
To put it mildly. As I watched the Flyers demolish Toronto last night, 4-0,
I realized that no matter how good the Leafs' #1 line may be, they'll need
one or two more decent lines to go far in the playoffs. And, of course, a
healthy Felix Potvin.
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043
darling@cellar.org \\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\ FactHQ "Truth Thru Technology"
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5786 | From: u96_bbayraml@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Subject: FOR SALE!! DECpc325sxLP
Lines: 26
Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology
FOR SALE !!!
DECpc 325sxLP
It's in very good condition, used for one year. It has
- 25 Mhz Intel 386
- 52 MB Hard Disk
- Super Color VGA Monitor
- 2-button mouse
- 1.44 MG floppy disk drive
Software:
------------
- Microsoft Dos 5.0
- Microsoft Windows 3.1
- Microsoft Works for Windows 2.0
- Borland Turbo Pascal 6.0
- Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 for Dos
I'm asking $1499 for the system. Send me E-mail if interested.
|
5787 | From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)
Subject: Ten questions about Israel
Lines: 55
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500349:000:1868
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 19 14:38:00 1993
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Ten questions about Israel
Ten questions to Israelis
-------------------------
I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to
provide
accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are
indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by
people around me.
1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize
Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens
must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as
Israelis ?
2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders
and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to
state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be
?
3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,
could you provide any evidence ?
4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of
individuals which were tried in secret and for which their
identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are
state secrets ?
5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied
territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews?
6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48
to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their
Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ?
7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed
an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in
Bosnia-Herzegovina ?
8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as
members in kibbutzim?
9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage
marriages between Jews and non-Jews ?
10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the
site of a muslim cemetery ?
Thanks,
Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is
|
5788 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Donating organs
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 24
In article <1993Mar25.161109.13101@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes:
>Dr. Banks,
> I don't know if you make a point of keeping up with liver transplant
>research but you're certainly in the right place for these questions. Has
>there been anything recent in "Transplant Proceedings" or somesuch, on
>xenografts? How about liver section transplants from living donors?
>
I'm sure the Pittsburgh group has published the baboon work, but I
don't know where. In Chicago they were doing lobe transplants from
living donors, and I'm sure they've published. I don't read the
transplant literature. I just see the liver transplant patients
when they get into neurologic trouble (pretty frequent), so that
and the newspapers and scuttlebutt is the way I keep up with what
they are doing. Howard Doyle works with them, and can tell you more.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
5789 | From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Lines: 31
keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely
>>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just
>>>implanted some sort of electronic device.
>>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in
>>potential criminals like Communists and atheists?
>Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people
>*before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this?
No, Mathew is proposing a public defence mechanism, not treating the
electronic device as an impropriety on the wearer. What he is saying is that
the next step beyond what you propose is the permanent bugging of potential
criminals. This may not, on the surface, sound like a bad thing, but who
defines what a potential criminal is? If the government of the day decides
that being a member of an opposition party makes you a potential criminal
then openly defying the government becomes a lethal practice, this is not
conducive to a free society.
Mathew is saying that implanting electronic surveillance devices upon people
is an impropriety upon that person, regardless of what type of crime or
what chance of recidivism there is. Basically you see the criminal justice
system as a punishment for the offender and possibly, therefore, a deterrant
to future offenders. Mathew sees it, most probably, as a means of
rehabilitation for the offender. So he was being cynical at you, okay?
Jeff.
|
5790 | From: kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Subject: Re: Goalie masks
Reply-To: kerryy@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa
Lines: 10
In article <1993Apr15.184750.12889@ac.dal.ca>, brifre1@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck
|> that goalie stopped with his face/head. I can't remember who it was or even
|> if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here).
Gerry Cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over
it.
Ken Dryden's mask is a classic - an archetype of our time.
|
5791 | From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Lines: 16
In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and
>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up
>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know
>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
>humor us. Thanks for your help.
Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit
by a Designated Hitter, Jewish??
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5792 | From: gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Greg Holdren)
Subject: 40 Meg IDE Harddrive
Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site
Lines: 12
NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]
Western Digital 3.5" IDE 40 Meg Hard drive.
$95 or BO.
+ shipping
Greg Holdren (916)785-7481
gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com
geh@mothra.rose.hp.com
|
5793 | From: JEK@cu.nih.gov
Subject: muslim tithe; sexism in Genesis 2
Lines: 33
According to mdbs@ms.uky.edu, muslims tithe 1/6 of their income.
Perhaps there are some offshoots of Islam that impose this on their
followers. But the standard tithe is 1/40 of one's net worth, once
a year.
The same writer also objects to the Bible for teaching that
> "woman was created after man, to be his helper" etc.
This is presumably a reference to Genesis 2. Suppose that that
chapter had been written with the sexes reversed. We have God
creating woman, and then saying, "It is not good that woman should
be alone. I will make a help meet for her." Feminists would be
outraged. The clear implication would be that God had started at the
bottom and worked up, making first the plants, then the fish and
birds, then the beasts, then woman, and finally His masterpiece, the
Male Chauvinist Pig. The statement that woman is not capable of
functioning by herself, that she needs a man to open doors for her,
would have been seen as a particularly gratuitous insult. The fact
that the creation of woman from the dust of the ground was given
only briefly and in general, while the creation of the Man was given
in six times the number of words, would have been cited as evidence
of the author's estimate of the relative importance of the sexes.
The verdict would have been unequivocal. "No self-respecting woman
can accept this book as a moral guide, or as anything but sexist
trash!" I suggest that Moses, fearing this reaction, altered his
original draft and described the creation with Adam first and then
Eve, so as to appease Miriam and other radical feminists of the day.
For some reason, however, it did not work.
Yours,
James Kiefer
|
5794 | From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Lines: 40
In article <Yfk8p=q00WBM47T0sJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must
> be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for
> any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants
> to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and
> reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It
> is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing
> in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity.
> The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect
> to join. There are just so many.
>
> Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus
> Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a
> hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So
> convenient that it is burdensome at times.
Your last remark is a contradiction, but I'll let that pass.
I was addressing the notion of the Great Commission, which
you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies.
Thank you, Bing Crosby. Now you go right on back to sleep
and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later.
Oh, and how convenient his bible must have been to Michael
Griffin, how convenient his Christianity. "Well, I'll just
skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner
and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and
concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing
something wrong, you should shoot him in the back several times
as he tries to hobble away on his crutches."
I'll leave the "convert or die" program of the missionaries and
their military escorts in the Americas for Nadja to explain as
she knows much more about it than I.
Must be awfully convenient, by the way, to offer platitudes
as you have done, David, rather than addressing the arguments.
Dean Kaflowitz
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5795 | From: bereson@ide.com (Alex Bereson)
Subject: 1972 Montreal Olympics souvenirs
Originator: bereson@lola
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Distribution: na
Lines: 14
1976 Montreal Olympics philatelic souvenirs:
1. Color-illustrated booklet in French/English containing all stamps
issued for the Games (mint never hinged) in slipcase, over $6.00
face value in stamps. $13.00 + $2.00 insured first class mailing
2. Unusual "desk pad holder" with Olympic rings on the cover and the
Montreal stadium inside. All the Canadian Olympic stamps are
displayed on the "cover" under heavy plastic. Again, over $6.00
face value. $11.00 + $2.50 insured first class mailing.
Order both for $22 including insured delivery
|
5796 | From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)
Subject: Question about FastMicro
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.
Lines: 6
I thought I read that FastMicro was having some financial difficulties,
is this true? I can't seem to find the posting about it and was wondering
if someone can confirm this.
Thanks,
Eric Sebastian
|
5797 | From: karl@genesis.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?
Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL
Lines: 39
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com
In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:
> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:
> >
> >In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device
> >to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets
> >must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)
> >
>
> Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?
>
> I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the
> modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work
> just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice.
>
>Absolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has
>ever been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well
>possible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis
>modems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers)
>
>Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run
>digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets
>say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate
>be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?
Reasonably fancy.
Standard "voice" circuits run at 56kbps inter-exchange in the US.
Therefore, you need to achieve 4:1 to get standard voice quality.
If you're willing to give up some quality, you need only 2:1. This is still
acceptable from a speech standpoint; it will be a little less faithful to
the original, but certainly intelligable. That's all you really need for
this application.
--
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LIVE Internet in Chicago; an MCSNET first!
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5798 | egsner!ernest!m2.dseg.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!mksol!kerr.dseg.ti.com!kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com
From: kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com@MK (Kevin Kerr)
Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER
Organization: ENGINEERING AUTOMATION
Lines: 38
Nntp-Posting-Host: kerr.dseg.ti.com
In article <1993Apr6.233805.29755@freenet.carleton.ca> aa649@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ralph Timmerman) writes:
>From: aa649@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ralph Timmerman)
>Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER
>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 23:38:05 GMT
>In a previous article, 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) says:
>> The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. They
>>clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two
>>homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three
>>run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools,
>>tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more
>>to follow). The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the
>>Indians. The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the division.
>> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young.
>>
>> ---> jason.
>>
>Does that mean we have to read this drivel another 95 times this season?
>Please spare us... And check you facts before you post!
>--
>Ralph Timmerman "There is no life after baseball"
>aa649@freenet.carleton.ca
No one says you have to read any of it Ralph.. Go play in traffic.., or take
a nap... They work for me..
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5799 | From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles)
Subject: POV .TGA's and SpeedStar 24
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 17
I finally got a 24 bit viewer for my POVRAY generated .TGA files.
It was written in C by Sean Malloy and he kindly sent me a copy. He
wrote it for the same purpose, to view .TGA files using his SpeedStar 24.
It ONLY works with the SpeedStar 24 and I cannot send copies since it is
not my program. I believe the author may release a version at a future
time when the program is more developed. He may or may not comment on
this, as he pleases.
Thanks to all who were helpful.
Regards,
Jim Nobles
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