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From: howeg@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Monty Mole) Subject: FM Transmitter Keywords: Old question I know Lines: 14 Can anyone please email a diagram or give me details of an ftp site where there is a diagram of a simple, small fm mono voice transmitter for trasnmitting in the 90-104 range (preferably above 100 Mhz). Only a short distance requiered, and frequency variation no too important but must run from 9v or smaller DC supply. Thanx in advance Monty. -- /\ /\ __ __ /_ howeg@uk.ac.man.cs / \ / \ / / / / / / / howeg@cs.man.ac.uk __/ \/ \_/__/_/ /_/__/_/____________________________________________ ____________________________/ Save The Vinyl!
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From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Subject: Does 'Just/justifiable War' exist? Organization: University of Otago Lines: 107 Hi there netters, I have a question I would very much like to see some discussion on: Is there such a thing as a 'justifible' war? What I would love to see it some basis from scripture for either: "All war is wrong", or "Some war is justifiable". To get things started I would like to outline why I am asking the question. In my high school days I had been quite involved in the the New Zealand Cadet Forces (This is a bit like ROTC from what I understand of it, but with a lot more emphasis on fun than military career training). Through this I became extremely enamoured of flying, have become involved in the sport of gliding, and have a great interest in military aviation hardware as the very best a 'real' flyer could ask for. My favourite computer games are the accurate simulations of military aircraft, both past and present. I became a Christian about 10 years ago, and at the time rejected all military activity as immoral. For me, all war was in complete opposition to God's commandments to love one another, especially one's enemies. During the war in Iraq, I found myself with great excitement listening to the reports of the effectiveness of the the attacks using the aviation technology I so admire - The F117A 'Stealh' bomber, the F14, F15 and F16 strike aircraft, etc. After the war concluded I began to really enjoy simulations based around this conflict - Great to go and bomb Saddam's bio-weapons plants in an F117A on my computer, or shoot down some of his Mig's in an F16. The simulation of the death of people was a wonderful game. I imagine the real pilots view the real thing in much the same way. One only has to look at the language used to see that the personal impact of war is ignored: A building containing people, or an aircraft flown by a pilot is simply a 'target'. Dead civilians are 'collateral damage'. These euphanisms are a way of removing the reality of war from the people whose support are necessary for the continued waging of war - One only has to look at Vietnam to see how important public opinion is. Now we see troops sponsored by the United Nations entering Somalia, and the prospect of military intervention in the Muslim/Croat/Serb conflict in the former Yugoslavia. My revulsion in particular to the siege of Sarajevo, and in the last few days of (sorry 'bout spelling) Sebrenitsa, has caused me to rethink where I stand on 'justifiable' war. I will list several wars in the last 50 years I can look at each, and say - Yes this may have been justifible, this may not. These are simply my gut reactions to each - In many cases with the benefit of the impartiality history brings. Let me go through a few and state some of my reasons for my reaction - I am not a historian, so excuse any historical blunders, I am working from popular history as it is known in New Zealand. 1. The Second World War - Murder of Jews - Hitler had to be stopped. - Massive civilian casualties on both sides - Dresden, Hiroshima/Nagasaki - Probably justifiable. 2. Korean war - Political expansionism by North Korea, basically communism vs. capitalism. - Probably not justifiable. 3. Vietnam - As above, worsened by US involvement. 4. Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. - Genocide by Khmer Rouge. - Probably justifiable. 5. Iraq (Desert Storm) - Political expansionism, threat to world oil supply - Other factors such as genocide. - Not sure, but probably justifiable 6. A future involvement in Bosnia - Genocide - so called 'Ethnic Cleansing' - Emotive - much TV coverage of atrocities and civilian casualties. - Probably justifiable 7. Possible future use of nuclear weapons - tactical or strategic, somewhere in the world by the US in response to someone else - e.g. Libya or Israel. - My feelings in this are simple - Nuclear war/weapons are abhorrent - I love the New Zealand government's stand on banning all nuclear armed or powered warships from NZ port. - Never justifiable. These are my own views, I have looked at scripture, and I am confused. I would appreciate others view, particularly those based on scripture. I *don't* want a - Naaahh, yer wrong - I think answers 8-). Thanks for your help. ========================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 The Black Albatross Porject, | University of Otago, | Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | athomson@otago.ac.nz Dunedin | NeXTmail Welcome New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase ==========================================================================
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) Subject: Book Review Wanted Organization: Rice University Lines: 18 I'm interested if anyone out here can point me towards a review of the following book in any scholarly Christian journal, whether it be conservative or liberal, Protestant or Catholic. _The_Lost_Years_of_Jesus_ (documentary evidence for Jesus' 17 year journey to the East), by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Supposedly this is a theory that was refuted in the past, and she has re-examined it. I thought this was just another novel book, but I saw it listed as a text for a class in religious studies here. Also, the endorsements seem to come from some credible sources, so I'm wondering if scholars have reviewed it (or anyone on the net, for that matter). -- Rob Butera | ECE Grad Student | "Only sick music makes money today" Rice University | Houston, TX 77054 | - Nietzsche, 1888
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: A moment of silence for the perpetrators of the Turkish Genocide? Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 115 In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: > April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world >are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members Celebrating in joy the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by your criminal grandparents between 1914 and 1920? Did you think that you could cover up the genocide perpetrated by your fascist grandparents against my grandparents in 1914? You've never heard of 'April 23rd'? "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats in this alien land." (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity") During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: Ampex 456 2" Recording Tape For Sale Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 19 I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2" recording tape. This tape was used once at 15 ips and carefully stored. All reel include an Ampex tape band. The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge. The history of the tape in know and available upon request. JMAR in Toronto sells new 2" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian) I would like $100CDN/reel which will include postage. Brett Maraldo - Plexus Productions ps. The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness. -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- "Alien Technology Today" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
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From: daniels@math.ufl.edu (TV's Big Dealer) Subject: Prayer in Jesus' name Organization: Me Lines: 5 Hmm...makes you wonder whether prayer "in Jesus' name" means "saying Jesus' name" or whether we're simply to do all things with the attitude that we belong to Jesus. Frank D.
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From: yoshi@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Digital Exodus 1993) Subject: Reciever/CD Player/Keyboards for sale. Article-I.D.: leela.1pqneqINN9h3 Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu The following items are for sale: 1) ONKYO TX-901/910 reciever/amplifier. Only 2 months old. >PERFECT< condition. 45wpc (stereo), 4 speaker ability, 40 channel memory, has digital and direct tuning also. Plus, it also have an earphone jack... Bought for $350 new. Asking for no less than $250; best offer gets it (obviously). ...PRICE DROPPED TO $230... - No offers so far; what's the deal? No recievers needed? :( 2) Two ZEOS IBM-External keyboards. Under a month old, bought for $90 each new; selling for $35 a piece, or $65 for both. I pay shipping. (SNES has been sold, and the CD player still hasn't been sold; if you offer $170 or more, I will instantly send it to you...) (ask for stats. on the CD player) Yoshi. yoshi@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
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From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Windows gripe... Article-I.D.: helios.downs.189.734061833 Organization: UNLV Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu > There's one thing about Windows that really frosts me. >I have 20MB of RAM installed in my system. I use a 5MB (2.5MB >under Windows) disk-cache, and a 4MB permanent swap file. > > While I can never fill the memory up, I still have problems >sometimes because I run out of GDI resources. What gives? >I think Windows could manage these resources a little better. > Are you using Windows 3.0 or 3.1? If you're still on 3.0, 3.1 devotes about twice as much memory to these and runs out much less frequently. If 3.1, you might use one of the resource monitors (such as the one that comes with the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit or one of the many shareware ones available) to see which programs are hogging the resources (every icon, internal graphics brush, etc. in every program running uses a certain amount of this limited memory area. Also, some don't give it back when they're finished). Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu
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From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 24 In article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks >associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens >are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function >of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of >the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish >to know more. Thanks. From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991 (ISBN #0-06-272007-4): "The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form, has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However, in order to experience the same results, people would have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time." -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 Lines: 32 alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) writes: > In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony > > > > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have > >probably spent more time than you doing the same. > > > > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the > >case. > > Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that > AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin > off of AMORC?? > i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this > claim. > > Well, there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates that OTO has been around since at least the late 1800s, long before Crowley ever heard of it, how long has AMORC been around? (yes, I know that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory, but I doubt that they have any organizational paperwork as a non-profit that can be carbon-dated to 20,000 BC) A.Lizard ------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Lizard Internet Addresses: alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) alizard@gentoo.com (backup) PGP2.2 public key available on request
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From: tom@DONT_USE.NETcom.COM (Thomas Tulinsky) Subject: Wcl for Solaris 2? Organization: The Internet Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, tom@DONT_USE.netcom.com Is there a version of Wcl that has been ported to Solaris 2, including ANSI C? I had numerous problems trying to compile Wcl under Solaris, and the functions do not have prototypes. I have Wcl 2.01 from the Sun User Group's 1992 CDs. Please email answers as I am not on this list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Tulinsky Capital Management Sciences West Los Angeles 310 479 9715 MANUALLY ADDRESS answers to: zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 13 In article <2BDC2931.17498@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, >but isn't that action a little draconian? What alternative would you suggest be taken to safeguard the lives of Israeli citizens? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu "If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: na Lines: 282 Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the "Clipper Chip" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the "Clipper Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 "keys," numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks ("information superhighways") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the "Clipper Chip"? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the "Clipper Chip" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, "since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper Chip" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products.
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From: mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) Subject: tuff to be a Christian? Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 63 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the Typical statement from an irrational and brainwashed person. The bible was written by some male chavnist thousands of years ago (as were all of the "holy" books). Follow the parts that you think are suitable for modern life. Ignore the others. For heaven's (!) sake don't take it literally. >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist? The Buddha's commandments are 500 yrs older than Christ's and in my opinion tougher to follow. Moreover the Buddha says that we are intrinsically good (as against Christ's "we are all sinners"). Only we allow ourselves to be distracted. By meditating we can awaken ourselves (etc etc). Also there is no concept of God in Buddhism. (In my opinion you can be an Atheist and a Buddhist). But to "awaken" yourself is no easy task. Can you stay away from eating meat? Can you sit still and think of nothing (meditate) for sometime everyday? Buddhists do (or are supposed to). Can you pray five times a day? Can you fast for a month every year (Ramzan). Are you willing to give 1/6 th of your income as tithe? Muslims do. In fact I think Jesus was an ordinary man (just as Buddha and Mohamed) probably with a philosopy ahead of the times (where he lived). Considering the fact that Christianity is a young religion (compared to Hindiusm, Judaism, Zorasterism, Buddihsm) it is also very probable that the Bible is merely a collection of borrowed ideas. (There was a good deal of trade between the eastern lands and the middle east at the time of Christ). And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out ("woman was created after man, to be his helper" etc). aras >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an 1-800 number to turn in your pledges. God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes. >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. Parting Question: Would you have become a Christian if you had not been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim you are brain washed.
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From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250 Distribution: na Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 20 In article <C5qoBy.9n5@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >>> 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250+shipping. If you like to pay $250 for the >>Please refer to 7870, he is selling $150 for that CPU. > >Correct. & $150 may be high now that AMD has started selling 486 clones! Indeed! Word is, Intel's lawsuit against AMD was absolutely THROWN OUT of court Monday! AMD said they would be shipping chips WITH THE INTEL INSTRUCTION SET next week!!! 486 chip prices are going to go through the floor, mark my words!!! Regards, Gordon. -- WATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME '93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga. "Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope"- MLK Jr. uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a Internet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: leyfre@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frederic Leymarie) Subject: Re: Developable Surface Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada Lines: 38 In article <C5x9xs.KHE@hkuxb.hku.hk>, h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk (Abel) writes: |> Hi netters, |> I am currently doing some investigations on "Developable Surface". |> Can anyone familiar with this topic give me some information or sources |> which can allow me to find some infomation of developable surface? |> Thanks for your help! |> Abel |> h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk A developable surface is s.t. you can lay it (or roll it) flat on the plane (it may require you to give it a "cut" though...) E.g., a cylinder, a cone, a plane (of course!) or any surface or patch having vanishing Gaussian (intrinsic) curvature (i.e., with singular Hessian, the matrix of 2nd derivatives for an adequate coordinate patch) are "developable". In more technical words, a developable surface is "locally isometric to a plane" at all points. Think also of the sphere (or the earth) which in a non-developable: whatever way(s) you cut it, you will not be able to lay flat any pieces of it... (its intrinsic curvature is nowhere vanishing). For more details on this look at any book on differential geometry which treats surfaces (2D manifolds); e.g., M. do Carmo's book: @Book{Carmo76Differential, author = {do Carmo, Manfredo P.}, title = {Differential Geometry of Curves and Surfaces}, year = 1976, publisher = {Prentice-Hall}, note = {503 pages.}} Enjoy! -- Frederic Leymarie -- leyfre@mcrcim.mcgill.edu McGill University, Electrical Eng. Dept., McRCIM, | Tel.: (514) 398-8236 3480 University St., Montreal, QC, CANADA, H3A 2A7. | FAX: (514) 398-7348
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From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 54 In article <C5srEw.FCG@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: ... >Give me a break! What fireman should have to deal with a blaze like that >AND get shot at at the same time. Nearly all of them. Witness LA> Firemen are among our real heroes most of the time. I wonder when they were actually aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the TV .... Shot at by whom? prove it! > >These people were breaking the law. I agree these weren't the best tactics, When "law" replaces "justice" the system is dying or dead. Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this point. >they probably should have backed off, pulled the perimeter way back, and let >them sit there with no media attention until they decided to come out. The >only other alternative I see would have been to send in a couple of special >forces guys to capture or assassinate Koresh. But remember, these fruit- Or perhaps just wait. Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to sit down and pray outside the line? Try affinity rather than subversion? >loops were putting their lives on the lines voluntarily. Why should Chuckle. SO would you if someone points a gun at you. At that point you can die or live; and if living means stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your kids, I suspect you might as well. BOTH sides were wrong. >law-abiding citizens have to put themselves in any more danger than necessary >when dealing with a nut? Look at the man who jumped out of his Bradley to >grab a flaming women who was running back into the building. Yeah, I would >have to say they were trying to save those people. I don't think I would >risk my life that much to save someone that stupid that obviously didn't >even want to be saved. Try again: go see the movie Sophie's CHoice. Grow up. > >-Tim royc
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From: ulf@kirsch.c3consult.comm.se (Ulf Lagerstedt) Subject: A+ mouse Organization: Communicator C3Consult AB Distribution: comp Lines: 12 In the bottom drawer I just found an old A+ mouse with a DB-9 (9-pin) plug. I assume that it belonged to a deceased Plus or something. Could any simple modification turn it into a proper ADB mouse? Reply by mail, preferably. Thanks! -- Ulf Lagerstedt, Communicator C3Consult, Sweden / ulf@c3consult.comm.se
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From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: >>> Technical Books for sale (X/UNIX/C/C++/OS/DB/Netwk...) REPOST <<< Organization: NCSU Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 29 My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc. Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-) Topics Include: - C/C++/Other Programming Languages - UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General) - X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin - Networking and Digital Signal Processing - Computer Graphics - Microprocessors and Computer Architecture - Math - Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing - Databases - Expert Systems The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email it by request. I am going to keep the list updated and so will respond to all requests (lucky me :-) If you are interested drop me a line ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========
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From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 21 I find it interesting that cls never answered any of the questions posed. Then he goes on the make statements which make me shudder. He has established a two-tiered God. One set of rules for the Jews (his people) and another set for the saved Gentiles (his people). Why would God discriminate? Does the Jew who accepts Jesus now have to live under the Gentile rules. God has one set of rules for all his people. Paul was never against the law. In fact he says repeatedly that faith establishes rather that annuls the law. Paul's point is germane to both Jews and Greeks. The Law can never be used as an instrument of salvation. And please do not combine the ceremonial and moral laws in one. In Matt 5:14-19 Christ plainly says what He came to do and you say He was only saying that for the Jews's benefit. Your Christ must be a politician, speaking from both sides of His mouth. As Paul said, "I have not so learned Christ." Forget all the theology, just do what Jesus says. Your excuses will not hold up in a court of law on earth, far less in God's judgement hall. Darius
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: >> I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails. [...] >> Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? Bill says ... >Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman, >a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh), I presume the one you refer to is "Space Sailing" by Jerome L. Wright. He worked on solar sails while at JPL and as CEO of General Astronautics. I'll furnish ordering info upon request. The Friedman book is called "Starsailing: Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel." It was available from the Planetary Society a few years ago, I don't know if it still is. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Find a way or make one." -attributed to Hannibal
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From: ams@Auspex.COM (Allan Schwartz) Subject: Re: Making an internal hard disk into an external Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: auspex.auspex.com >Its not a difficult operation-- the cables and such are standard, >except for SCSI ID. SCSI ID is usually three jumper pads-- labelled >A0-A2 on Quantums. I am trying to put a 40MB drive from my LC into a case. It is a Conner CP3040A. I can't figure out which jumpers are the SCSI ID jumpers. Is anyone familiar with this drive? At the end of the drive (oposite the 50 pin pibbon connector), there are eleven pins which look like this: o o o o o o 1 o o o o o 2 L5 CR12 C37 where the "o" are pins, and the "L5 CR12 C37" represent some of the silk screen notation near these pins. Elsewhere on the board there are four jumper pads marked E1,E2,E3,E4 on the silk screen. Does anyone know where the SCSI ID A0,A1,A2 pins are, and where the drive activity light LED should be plugged into? -allan -- Allan M. Schwartz +1 408 492-0900 ams@auspex.com
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From: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 25 Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan
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From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede) Subject: Decent, CHEAP 20+MHZ Scopes? Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated Lines: 12 Any info on modern 20MHZ or better dual trace scopes would be appreciated. Should I buy a used one or a new one? And where? Please E-Mail. Thanks in advance. Ken -- __ Ken Gravenstede, Performance Technologies Incorporated kng@pt.com 315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620 uupsi!ptsys1!kng
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From: ladd.morse@his.com (Ladd Morse) Subject: Mac oriented BBSs in Chicago Lines: 8 A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented BBSs based in Chicago. Any leads would be most appreciated. #!
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From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: Protective gear Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes: >In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >>Question for the day: >> >>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei >>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap >>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, >>leather pants, what? > >I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if >you have no skin on your hands. Yup! Ruins your sex life! Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
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From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal) Subject: Novell 2.0a/3.11 Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida Lines: 10 I have a novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11 for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except the ID card. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles Paschal - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 UUCP: paschal@tscs FAX: (813) 871-2783 US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395
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From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) Subject: X386 server problems Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 32 Hello, I'm trying to get X11R5 running on my PC and ran into the following error message when trying to start the Xserver. ------ Setting TCP SO_DONTLINGER: Option not supported by protocol X386 Version 1.2 / X Windows System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000) Fatal server error no screens found giving up xinit: software cased connection abort (errno 130): unable to connect to X xserver. ------ does anyone know what this error means ? has anyone experienced this problem ? help will be much appreciated thanks in advance. please send replies to <christy@alex.qc.ca> Christy
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Subject: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) Distribution: usa Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Keywords: 486, motherboard Lines: 13 I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? Any information would be helpful! thanks -- _______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ | Brian J Schaufenbuel [ "There is no art which one government sooner learns ] | Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] | Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]." - Adam Smith ]
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From: "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 50 <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> >> >>The reason I ask is because I went to a classic car meet here in the UK, >>and saw a very nice old De Soto, 1920's vintage I'd guess, with wooden >>artillery type wheels, etc, but it was right-hand drive. I can't believe >>that DeSoto produced RHD cars just for the UK.... Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been larger then than just the UK. >i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down >cattle trails and in wagon ruts. I am fairly sure that placement of the >steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time..... By the 1920s, there was a very active "good roads" movement, which had its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so, and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916 that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense. Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside. This was the era, after all, of the first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco "America on the Road" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called "The Devil Wagon in God's Country" author I forget. Also, any of John Flink's or John Bell Rae's auto histories. As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel on the left. In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel. This was standardized fairly early on, though I don't know why. Dan dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Applied History "World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we can comprehend and prove it or not." Oswald Spengler
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From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a "mature" OS? Keywords: ms-windows Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 46 In article <cyen.735139934@ponder> Jesse writes: >hi, > Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would >know if ms-windows is a "mature" OS. > > Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why >they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft [Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...] >Jesse >e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win" and might even end up as "OS/2 Vs Win". Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge... First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace- ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :).. PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) ) By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )... Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu
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From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 7 In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as "Nick." Completely my error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's (remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?). He was from my part of the country, and Michael's email address of "nmsca[...]" probably helped confuse things in my mind. Purely user headspace error on my part. Sorry. Doug Loss
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From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes: >I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be >going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare >essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...? Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how you gonna get there? If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m? > >I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for >so I don't get burnt? > >Much appreciated >Mark > Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm? -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |
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From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) Subject: Re: Cubs game of April 6th Article-I.D.: netcom.rudyC53145.IGD Organization: Home of the Brave Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr6.203330.4974@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes: >Otis Nixion lined a single to left with two outs breaking up the no hitter. >Cubs win 1-0 on a 1 hitter by Jose Guzman. That's might be what it takes to beat the Braves this year. Look at Smoltz's pitching line: 6 hits, 2 walks, 1 ER, 7 SO and a loss.
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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 price list Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 264 Here is the price list for the week April 13 to April 19. - Andrew Buy Sell Pts Team Player 158.9 143.0 157 PIT Mario_Lemieux 148.5 133.7 145 BUF Pat_LaFontaine 142.7 128.4 141 BOS Adam_Oates 137.6 123.8 136 DET Steve_Yzerman 132.1 118.9 129 WPG Teemu_Selanne 131.7 118.5 127 NYI Pierre_Turgeon 130.1 117.1 127 TOR Doug_Gilmour 126.0 113.4 123 BUF Alexander_Mogilny 123.4 111.1 119 PHI Mark_Recchi 121.9 109.7 119 LA Luc_Robitaille 113.3 102.0 112 QUE Mats_Sundin 111.3 100.2 110 PIT Kevin_Stevens 110.6 99.5 108 VAN Pavel_Bure 108.6 97.7 106 STL Craig_Janney 108.3 97.5 107 PIT Rick_Tocchet 107.6 96.8 105 CHI Jeremy_Roenick 105.3 94.8 104 QUE Joe_Sakic 103.5 93.2 101 STL Brett_Hull 102.4 92.2 100 CGY Theoren_Fleury 101.2 91.1 100 PIT Ron_Francis 100.4 90.4 98 TOR Dave_Andreychuk 100.2 90.2 99 BOS Joe_Juneau 98.3 88.5 96 WPG Phil_Housley 98.3 88.5 96 MTL Vincent_Damphousse 96.3 86.7 94 MTL Kirk_Muller 96.1 86.5 95 DET Dino_Ciccarelli 95.3 85.8 93 BUF Dale_Hawerchuk 95.3 85.8 93 MIN Mike_Modano 94.4 85.0 91 NYR Mark_Messier 93.2 83.9 91 STL Brendan_Shanahan 93.1 83.8 92 PIT Jaromir_Jagr 88.1 79.3 86 MTL Brian_Bellows 88.1 79.3 86 LA Jari_Kurri 88.0 79.2 87 DET Sergei_Fedorov 87.1 78.4 85 CGY Robert_Reichel 87.0 78.3 86 DET Paul_Coffey 86.1 77.5 83 WSH Peter_Bondra 86.1 77.5 83 HFD Geoff_Sanderson 86.0 77.4 84 TB Brian_Bradley 85.0 76.5 82 NYI Steve_Thomas 84.0 75.6 83 PIT Larry_Murphy 84.0 75.6 81 PHI Rod_Brind'Amour 83.0 74.7 82 BOS Ray_Bourque 83.0 74.7 82 QUE Steve_Duchesne 83.0 74.7 80 HFD Andrew_Cassels 82.0 73.8 80 LA Tony_Granato 81.9 73.7 79 WSH Dale_Hunter 81.9 73.7 79 WSH Mike_Ridley 80.9 72.8 78 HFD Pat_Verbeek 80.9 72.8 79 MTL Stephan_Lebeau 80.9 72.8 79 CGY Gary_Suter 78.9 71.0 77 VAN Cliff_Ronning 78.9 71.0 77 NJ Claude_Lemieux 78.9 71.0 78 QUE Mike_Ricci 77.9 70.1 76 VAN Murray_Craven 77.9 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Andrei_Kovalenko 66.4 59.8 64 HFD Zarley_Zalapski 66.4 59.8 64 NYR Adam_Graves 65.8 59.2 65 SJ Johan_Garpenlov 64.5 58.1 63 TOR Glenn_Anderson 63.5 57.2 62 LA Wayne_Gretzky 63.5 57.2 62 OTT Norm_Maciver 62.2 56.0 60 PHI Garry_Galley 61.7 55.5 61 DET Steve_Chiasson 61.7 55.5 61 DET Paul_Ysebaert 61.5 55.4 60 NJ Valeri_Zelepukin 61.5 55.4 60 MTL Mike_Keane 61.2 55.1 59 PHI Brent_Fedyk 60.7 54.6 60 PIT Shawn_McEachern 60.4 54.4 59 LA Rob_Blake 60.1 54.1 58 NYI Pat_Flatley 59.7 53.7 59 QUE Scott_Young 59.4 53.5 58 WPG Darrin_Shannon 59.1 53.2 57 PHI Kevin_Dineen 58.4 52.6 57 NJ Bernie_Nicholls 58.4 52.6 57 CGY Sergei_Makarov 58.4 52.6 57 CHI Steve_Smith 58.1 52.3 56 WSH Pat_Elynuik 57.4 51.7 56 VAN Greg_Adams 57.4 51.7 56 NJ Scott_Stevens 57.4 51.7 56 TB John_Tucker 56.3 50.7 55 WPG Fredrik_Olausson 56.0 50.4 54 NYR Sergei_Nemchinov 55.0 49.5 53 NYR Darren_Turcotte 55.0 48.9 53 CGY Al_MacInnis 55.0 48.9 53 CHI Christian_Ruuttu 55.0 48.0 52 CHI Brent_Sutter 55.0 47.6 51 HFD Terry_Yake 55.0 47.0 51 VAN Dixon_Ward 55.0 47.0 51 WPG Keith_Tkachuk 55.0 46.4 51 BOS Stephen_Leach 55.0 46.1 50 TOR John_Cullen 55.0 46.1 50 MTL Denis_Savard 55.0 45.7 49 NYR Ed_Olczyk 55.0 45.2 49 VAN Anatoli_Semenov 55.0 44.8 48 WSH Sylvain_Cote 55.0 44.8 48 NYI Vladimir_Malakhov 55.0 44.8 48 NYI Jeff_Norton 55.0 44.8 48 HFD Patrick_Poulin 55.0 44.6 49 BOS Dave_Poulin 55.0 44.3 48 LA Tomas_Sandstrom 55.0 44.3 48 EDM Petr_Klima 55.0 44.3 48 NJ John_MacLean 55.0 44.3 48 EDM Doug_Weight 55.0 43.3 47 MTL Gilbert_Dionne 55.0 43.3 47 LA Alexei_Zhitnik 55.0 43.3 47 EDM Shayne_Corson 55.0 42.8 47 QUE Martin_Rucinsky 55.0 42.4 46 WPG Evgeny_Davydov 55.0 42.4 46 STL Kevin_Miller 55.0 42.4 46 EDM Craig_Simpson 55.0 42.0 45 WSH Kelly_Miller 55.0 42.0 45 PHI Pelle_Eklund 55.0 40.6 44 CHI Michel_Goulet 55.0 40.6 44 EDM Dave_Manson 55.0 39.6 43 OTT Sylvain_Turgeon 55.0 38.7 42 CGY Paul_Ranheim 55.0 38.7 42 MTL Mathieu_Schneider 55.0 38.7 42 MIN Mark_Tinordi 55.0 38.3 42 DET Bob_Probert 55.0 37.8 41 EDM Todd_Elik 55.0 37.4 40 NYR Esa_Tikkanen 55.0 37.4 41 BOS Vladimir_Ruzicka 55.0 36.9 40 OTT Bob_Kudelski 55.0 36.9 40 NJ Peter_Stastny 55.0 36.9 40 TOR Dave_Ellett 55.0 36.9 40 OTT Brad_Shaw 55.0 36.5 40 DET Niklas_Lidstrom 55.0 36.0 39 NJ Bobby_Holik 55.0 36.0 39 TOR Wendel_Clark 55.0 35.5 38 NYR Alexei_Kovalev 55.0 35.0 38 BUF Yuri_Khmylev 55.0 35.0 38 MIN Mike_McPhee 55.0 34.1 37 TOR Rob_Pearson 55.0 34.1 37 VAN Sergio_Momesso 55.0 33.6 36 NYR Brian_Leetch 55.0 33.2 36 CHI Dirk_Graham 55.0 33.2 36 TB Adam_Creighton 55.0 32.8 36 QUE Valery_Kamensky 55.0 32.3 35 EDM Zdeno_Ciger 55.0 32.3 35 LA Corey_Millen 55.0 31.9 35 BOS Ted_Donato 55.0 31.3 34 TOR Peter_Zezel 55.0 30.4 33 MIN Neal_Broten 55.0 29.5 32 MTL Gary_Leeman 55.0 29.5 32 EDM Scott_Mellanby 55.0 29.5 32 BUF Wayne_Presley 55.0 29.2 32 DET Keith_Primeau 55.0 28.9 31 NYI Brian_Mullen 55.0 28.9 31 PHI Josef_Beranek 55.0 28.6 31 CHI Stephane_Matteau 55.0 28.3 31 BOS Steve_Heinze 55.0 28.0 30 PHI Dmitri_Yushkevich 55.0 28.0 30 HFD Mikael_Nylander 55.0 27.6 30 BUF Richard_Smehlik 55.0 27.6 30 TOR Dmitri_Mironov 55.0 25.8 28 CHI Brian_Noonan 55.0 25.5 28 SJ Pat_Falloon 55.0 24.9 27 STL Igor_Korolev 55.0 24.3 26 WSH Bob_Carpenter 55.0 24.3 26 NYR James_Patrick 55.0 23.9 26 BUF Petr_Svoboda 55.0 23.0 25 OTT Mark_Lamb 55.0 22.4 24 NYI Scott_LaChance 55.0 22.1 24 MTL Benoit_Brunet 55.0 22.1 24 TB Mikael_Andersson 55.0 21.2 23 EDM Martin_Gelinas 55.0 21.2 23 WPG Sergei_Bautin 55.0 21.2 23 TOR Bill_Berg 55.0 21.2 23 EDM Kevin_Todd 55.0 19.6 21 NYI David_Volek 55.0 19.6 21 NYI Ray_Ferraro 55.0 19.4 21 MIN Brent_Gilchrist 55.0 18.6 20 HFD Yvon_Corriveau 55.0 18.6 20 NYR Phil_Bourque 55.0 18.6 20 NYI Darius_Kasparaitis 55.0 18.2 20 DET Jim_Hiller 55.0 17.7 19 PHI Andrei_Lomakin 55.0 17.6 19 BUF Donald_Audette 55.0 16.6 18 TB Roman_Hamrlik 55.0 15.5 17 BOS Cam_Neely 55.0 15.5 17 SJ Mark_Pederson 55.0 14.6 16 PIT Martin_Straka 55.0 13.9 15 CHI Joe_Murphy 55.0 12.2 13 NYR Peter_Andersson 55.0 12.0 13 OTT Tomas_Jelinek 55.0 12.0 13 NJ Janne_Ojanen 55.0 10.2 11 TB Steve_Kasper 55.0 10.2 11 MIN Bobby_Smith 55.0 9.1 10 SJ Ray_Whitney 55.0 8.4 9 HFD Robert_Petrovicky 55.0 8.3 9 BUF Viktor_Gordijuk 55.0 7.4 8 TOR Joe_Sacco 55.0 7.3 8 QUE Mikhail_Tatarinov 55.0 7.3 8 SJ Peter_Ahola 55.0 6.5 7 CHI Rob_Brown 55.0 6.4 7 BOS Glen_Murray 55.0 5.6 6 HFD Tim_Kerr 55.0 5.5 6 MIN Brian_Propp 55.0 4.7 5 WSH Reggie_Savage 55.0 4.6 5 STL Vitali_Prokhorov 55.0 4.6 5 LA Robert_Lang 55.0 4.6 5 EDM Shaun_Van_Allen 55.0 3.7 4 MIN Dan_Quinn 55.0 3.6 4 DET Viacheslav_Kozlov 55.0 3.6 4 BOS Jozef_Stumpel 55.0 3.6 4 PIT Bryan_Fogarty 55.0 2.8 3 MTL Olav_Petrov 55.0 2.8 3 TB Stan_Drulia 55.0 1.9 2 WSH Jason_Woolley 55.0 1.8 2 NJ Claude_Vilgrain 55.0 0.0 0 MTL Patrick_Kjellberg 55.0 0.0 0 OTT Alexei_Yashin 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Randy_Burridge 55.0 0.0 0 EDM Dean_McAmmond 55.0 0.0 0 CGY Cory_Stillman 55.0 0.0 0 TB Brent_Gretzky 55.0 0.0 0 BUF Jason_Dawe 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Brian_Sakic 55.0 0.0 0 VAN Igor_Larionov 55.0 0.0 0 CHI Sergei_Krivokrasov 55.0 0.0 0 QUE Peter_Forsberg -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...
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From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca Subject: Re: SE rom Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 23 In article <wgwC5pDL4.43y@netcom.com>, wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes: > > Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable > about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply > impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could > someone armed with enough info and a little pro- > gramming experience cook something up that would > supplement the ROM's capabilities? > Also, how does one know if one's mac can > support the grayscale and photograde that the Select 300 > is supposedly capable of? ( Short of buying the printer > and trying it out like I did) > Thanks for your help. > > Bill Wright > wgw@netcom.com > To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's not mentioned in "Apple Facts" (guide for apple sellers), in the press release or in the technical specs. Sean
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From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das) Subject: overlapped window without a title bar Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 31 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com Hi, I have a simple question. Is it possible to create a OVERLAPPED THICKFRAME window without a title bar; ie (WS_OVERLAPPED | WS_THICKFRAME) & ~WS_CAPTION I don't seem to be able to get rid off the title bar. I have another question: I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc) The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings. I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes behild it's siblings. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Manu Please mail me at manu@oas.olivetti.com
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From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial 890 the phone company will read back the number to you. Try it. It might work.
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From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: A/D board BUS SPEED probl Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 39 C >Hi: C >I have a 486DX2-66MHz computer to use with an A/D board C >for data acquisition on an AT bus...I'm having problems. C >The AT bus runs at 12.5 MHz - correct? So there should C >be no bus speed conflict. But I read somewhere that the C >new 486DX2-66 MHz CPU runs on a 33 MHz bus - is that for C >the local bus or the AT bus also - if so then I have a problem. C >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C >When I run on non-turbo-mode the speed goes to 8 MHz and the C >A/D doesn't work. Please mail your views! Thanks. C >Vincent C >cyl5@musica.mcgill.ca C > The STANDARD AT bus (ISA) runs at 8MHz, not 12.5 MHz, but some non-stnadard ISA buses do have higher clock rates, but be careful, since some boards don't work with faster than standard rates. For instance, my 486 has adjustable AT bus speeds, and my PAS16 audio card chokes when I do AD data acquisition with a bus speed faster than 10MHz. The fact that non-turbo-mode speed A/D doesn't work is weird. You may have a motherboard with a hardware 'bug'. 33 MHz bus on the 486DX2 66 does refer to the local bus. FYI: the AT bus operates asynchronously, and is linked to the local bus via a 'bus interface', which is one function that your 'chipset'. -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |
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From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: '61 Orioles Trivia Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 6 Bunker & McNally were later. Pappas, Estrada, Steve Barber, and . . . ? Jay
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From: ab@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Allan Brockman) Subject: I don't have FTP, live in Canada, how do i get RSA(RAS?) 4 my atariS Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 9 i don't have FTP and i live in canada ( this means that it would be illeagle for a U.S. citizen to send the program to me. their gigerment wishes to restrict its dispersil ) but someone in europe must have ported a coppy of RSA to the atariST by now. how do i get a coppy of the RSA from a non-FTP news feed? -- Allan Brockman ab@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
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From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: I don't beleive in you either. Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr13.213055.818@antioc.antioch.edu>, smauldin@antioc.antioch.edu writes: |> I stopped believing in you as well, long before the invention of technology. |> |> --GOD |> Ahhh go back to alt.autotheism where you belong! Brian /-|-\
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Surgery of damaged tendons and median nerve Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 27 In article <BHATT.93Apr12161425@wesley.src.honeywell.com> bhatt@src.honeywell.com writes: >I thought I will explore the net wisdom with the following questions: > > Is there any better way to control the pain than what the surgeon suggested? > How long will such pain last? Will the pain recur in the future? > No one can answer that. If she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy, it could last forever. Just hope she does not. Most don't. > Do damaged (partially cut) tendons heal completely and is all of the finger > strength regained? How long does it take for the complete healing process? > Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. You just have to do the best job you can reattaching and hope. You should know in a few months. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 19 In article <115846@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: (Deletion) >Certainly. It is a central aspect of Islam to show mercy and to give >those who've done wrong (even presuming Rushdie _did_ violate Islamic >Law) and committed crimes. This was the basis for my posts regarding >leniency which seemed not to have penetrated Benedikt's skull. You have demanded harsh punishments of several crimes. Repeating offenders have slipped in only as justification of harsh punishment at all. Typically religious doublespeak. Whenever you have contradictory statements you choose the possibility that suits your current argument. It is disgusting that someone with ideas that would make Theodore KKKaldis feel cozy can go along under the protection of religion. Gregg, tell us, would you kill idolaters? Benedikt
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Subject: Re: Is a 2 headed Sun 3/60 possible (cgfour0/bwtwo0) Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 25 In article <1r28mg$9r5@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann) writes: | I have a Sun 3/60 that has a mono framebuffer (bwtwo0 ?) built on the | motherboard. The same system also has a cgfour (cgfour0 and bwtwo1 ?) | daughterboard. I have been using this system with a color monitor having a | color "front" screen from the cgfour, and a mono "back" screen from the | bwtwo1, both on the same tube. I recentley picked up a 1600 x 1280 Sun mono | monitor, and I would like to make a two headed system with the cgfour0 and | the bwtwo0. I do not care if I loose the "back" screen on the color tube | from the bwtwo1. After looking through the Xsun man page I am not sure if | this is possible. Has anybody sucessfuly done this before? If it's any consolation, I have two 2-headed Sun-3/60 systems, though the color and mono monitors for each are "rated" 1152x900. Their configuration is the same as yours, so it "should" be a Plug'N'Play situation, EXCEPT: I don't know if your hi-res mono monitor will function this way. However, you may simply be able to pull the motherboard and set the HI-RES jumper (located in the same jumper array as the jumpers for the RAM/SIMM selects and Ethernet connection) and be happily on your way. When you pull the motherboard, the jumpers are in the left-rear (e.g. "north-west") quadrant of the motherboard (to the left of the SIMM sockets). Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Distribution: inet Lines: 28 In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >In article <C5I2Bo.CG9@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: >> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre >> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. >> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. .................... >Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between >Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of >their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a >genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts >are scientifically screwy? This example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous physicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall the quote: Your ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy enough to be right. The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
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From: janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) Subject: Exercise and Migraine Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Lines: 24 We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...). Anyway, turning the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.) I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the pain subsided. This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? Thanks, -- ********************************************************************** Janet Jakstys UUCP:{ames,mcdcup}!ntmtv!janet Northern Telecom INTERNET:janet@ntmtv.com Mtn. View, CA. **********************************************************************
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From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: Pastoral Authority Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group Lines: 17 There is some controversy in my denomination as to what authority is vested in the pastor. I am still forming my opinion. I am solicing opinions, and references for what that is, how much, and how it should be used. As a general reference, I would not exclude responses from different denominations based on Biblical teachings, but you have to understand our church is independent, protestant and likely to be much different from those that follow ecclesiastical authority in the church. We may need to discuss the roles of deacons and elders. Thanks for your replies. | "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." | | "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." | | (proverbs 26:4&5)
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From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) Subject: NCSA Mosaic for X 1.0 available. X-Md4-Signature: b912a4b59c6065f2e86a15751149a3f2 Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications Lines: 79 Version 1.0 of NCSA Mosaic for the X Window System, a networked information systems and World Wide Web browser, is hereby released: file://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/xmosaic-source/xmosaic-1.0.tar.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sun.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sgi.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-ibm.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-dec.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-alpha.Z .../xmosaic-diffs/xmosaic-0.13-1.0-diffs.Z NCSA Mosaic provides a consistent and easy-to-use hypermedia-based interface into a wide variety of networked information sources, including Gopher, WAIS, World Wide Web, NNTP/Usenet news, Techinfo, FTP, local filesystems, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, HyTelnet, TeXinfo, telnet, tn3270, and more. This release of NCSA Mosaic is known to compile on the following platforms: SGI (IRIX 4.0.2) IBM (AIX 3.2) Sun 4 (SunOS 4.1.3 with stock X11R4 and Motif 1.1, and GCC). DEC Ultrix. DEC Alpha AXP (OSF/1). Documentation is available online. Changes since 0.13 include: o Added new resource, gethostbynameIsEvil, for Sun's that coredump when gethostbyname() is called to try to find out what their own names are. (Command-line flag is -ghbnie.) o Explicitly pop down all dialog boxes when document view window is closed, for window managers too dull to do so themselves. o Better visited anchor color for non-SGI's. o Added .hqx and .uu to list of file extensions handled like .tar files. o Added 'Clear' button to Open box, to allow more convenient cut-n-paste entries of URL's. o New resource 'autoPlaceWindows'; if set to False, new document view windows will not be automatically positioned by the program itself (but it's still up to your window manager just how they're placed). o Command-line flags -i and -iconic now have desired effect (new resource initialWindowIconic can also be used). o Gif-reading code is a little more bulletproof. o Obscure infinite loop triggered by extra space in IMG tag fixed. o Eliminated nonintuitive error message when image can't be read (inlined NCSA bitmap is indication enough that something's not right for authors, and readers can't do anything about bad images in any case). o Obscure parsing bug (for constructs like <ADDRESS><A HREF=...>text<A></ADDRESS>) fixed. o Fixed mysterious stupid coredump that only hits Suns. o Fixed stupid coredump on URL's like '://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/'. o Fixed buglet in handling rlogin URL's. o New support for Solaris/SYSVR4 (courtesy dana@thumper.bellcore.com). o Better support for HP-UX 8.x and 9.x (courtesy johns@hpwarf.wal.hp.com). o Better support for NeXT (courtesy scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk). o Some miscellaneous portability fixes (courtesy bingle@cs.purdue.edu). o Miscellaneous bug fixes and cleanups. Comments, questions, and bug reports should be sent to mosaic-x@ncsa.uiuc.edu. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide. Cheers, Marc -- -- Marc Andreessen Software Development Group National Center for Supercomputing Applications marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Summary: Be careful about concealed weapons!!! Lines: 45 In article <C5srIB.6AH@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: | In article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: | >anything if he hadn't emptied his gun into the asshole. Texas--it's | >whole other country. | | That reminds me of one of Texas's ads...you hear a guy speaking in | French (like it's a letter home), then the French moves to the | background, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking | about how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like | home that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his | clothes. It ended with "please send bail." :-) | | >On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in | >their car (which is bad idea, isn't it?) if you work in a bad part of | >town (or regularly go through one)? Is this a loaded question? :^) | | I normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded | magazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those | times that I'm travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded | S&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | in my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois | State Police be hanged). | | As I've said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance | will pay to replace my car, but I only have one life... | | James | Carrying a pistol, loaded or unloaded, in the glove compartment, is considered carrying a concealed weapon in Colorado and is illegal without a concealed weapons permit. Unless the law has been changed recently, carrying a weapon openly is legal in Colorado but concealing it is illegal. I read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a traffic infraction and observed a .357 magnum revolver sitting on the seat. The driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon because it was not concealed. The article stated that if the gun had been discovered in the glove box, it would have been considered a crime. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
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From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Lines: 23 In article <C4wty9.40u@mcs.anl.gov> mwm@aps.anl.gov writes: >In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) >I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith >put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when >deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. >If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. > >Mike McDowell I have to disagree with you on this one. It is anything BUT common. In the 4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER. I am not sure what league you have been watching. :-) Anyone else agree with this? Colin Layfield | "Religion and Sex are power plays, | Manipulate the people for the money they pay, The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!" layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 23 In article <MELLON.93Apr15183059@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes: > >>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >>to Seattle? And how much might it cost? > >I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a >really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all. >Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel >bill... > Yes! Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5. Really nice most of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways. Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as possible in the Oregon coast range once... -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Berkey howard@netcom.com Help! ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ...
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From: eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ed Byrnes) Subject: Getting rid of screen wiggles? Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI. Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the kitchen the display jiggles. I could bring a separate line from the breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of the monitor? Ground a grid or plate? Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much! Ed Byrnes -- *---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---* | Ed Byrnes FAX: 313-651-7392 eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu | | Kensington Academy & Oakland University Rochester, MI North America | *---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---*
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From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com () Subject: Keyboard Focussing Organization: ACSC, Inc. Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hollywood.acsc.com I have two Motif Widgets. I would like to control one of them via the keyboard and the other with the mouse. I set the keyboard focus on the first widget, but as soon as I click the mouse on the second one, I lose the keyboard focus on the first one. Could some kind soul show me how to do this? Thanks DM dev@hollywood.acsc.com
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: >In article <mjs.735230272@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >> >>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the >>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first >>time they try to go round a corner. Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way, and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course. I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed (off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been. I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew *that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry about proper handlebar technique. >countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors >claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike >turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight >around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite >direction. (I admit I've never actually seen this.) I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the "you are a sack of potatoes" passenger speech, the instructor would steer the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch, I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr15.071814.27960@wam.umd.edu>, judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- objectively subjective) writes: >> = <1qhn7m$a95@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >[culled from a discussion on Christianity and objective morals] > >Question: Is there any effective difference between: > >"Objective values exist, and there is disagreement over what they are" > >and > >"Values are subjective?" > >I don't see any. > Is there any difference in saying "Absolute Truth exists, but some people think its a lie" and "Truth is relative" ? I think there is: in both examples, the first statement is a fundamental disagreement between at least two people; the second statement is agreed upon by all. To put it another way, someone who says objective values exist does not agree that values are subjective. -jim halat
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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu In article <C5LIw2.CAx@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes: >The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never >gets to the wheels. In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual. only when the torque converter is not locked up. there are autos out there with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. >Dont forget that now that new 6 speed manual trannys are available the drive >train is more optimally geared to get the most out of the engine. rare.. so are 5 speed autos.. but very real. >Bottom line is both manuals and automatics have vastly improved. i think that automatics have advanced far more than manuals. especially in shift intelligence. i say that a smart automatic is better than the majority of drivers in terms of being in the right gear at the right time, which to me is more important than torque converter losses. >I prefer the stick for fun and the auto for traffic. who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? a well designed shifter will easily facilitate manual, clutchless shifts. i am referring to the much copied mercedes jagged gate. the only department where you lose out is in the number of ratios available, and of course the converter losses.. if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission, it can't be half bad.. :-) eliot
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From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 24 J. Spencer (J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote: : manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: : >Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: : >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental : >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK : >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population : >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted : >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the : >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as : >: > many people with baseball bats. : [snip] : If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely : followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to : death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for : yourself. It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
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From: al@escom.com (Al Donaldson) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) Organization: ESCOM Corp., Oakton VA (USA) Distribution: na Lines: 16 amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had to send people into the Watergate. But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private (i.e., anything else) encryption methods. Unrelated question...isn't the term "Clipper," as neat as it is, already taken by Intergraph? Al
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From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) Subject: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked) Reply-To: b-banko@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 150 Hi. While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1 this evening, I got a "program has violated system integrity... close all applications, exit windows and restart your computer" error. I started to do this when I immediately got a "Serious disk error" message from Windows. "hit return to retry". I did that about 5 times and then rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow. (I am including the chkdsk output below.) Questions: 1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order? What might be some better approaches? 2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing.) The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows and a few other things. Thanks for your comments and suggestions. Brad Banko ps: this is a 386sx machine with a 40Mb hard drive and 2 Mb of RAM. chkdsk output: ====================================================================== Volume Serial Number is 1159-09D3 Errors found, F parameter not specified Corrections will not be written to disk C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X Allocation error, size adjusted C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE Allocation error, size adjusted 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains. 647168 bytes disk space would be freed C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO5400.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16138 C:\GFX\VPIC46\TRI8800B.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16139 C:\GFX\VPIC46\TS4000HI.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16140 C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16141 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 C:\GFX\VPIC46\DEFINCON.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16152 C:\GFX\VPIC46\ATIWONDR.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16153 C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO6400.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16154 C:\GFX\VPIC46\OAK.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16155 C:\GFX\VPIC46\HIRES.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16156 C:\GFX\VPIC46\AHEADA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16157 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16208 C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX673.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16185 C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.COM Is cross linked on allocation unit 16186 C:\GFX\VPIC46\MAXXON.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16187 C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16188 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX678.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16189 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EGA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16190 C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16191 C:\GFX\VPIC46\README.1ST Is cross linked on allocation unit 16199 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X Is cross linked on allocation unit 16382 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SOUND.DRV Is cross linked on allocation unit 16380 C:\WINDOWS\GAMES0.GRP Is cross linked on allocation unit 16367 C:\WINDOWS\MAD79-11.BMP Is cross linked on allocation unit 16341 C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2A.KIN Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2B.KIN Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 C:\MAGE\PKIN_2_2.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.TXT Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.WRI Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.KEY Is cross linked on allocation unit 16265 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.REC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16275 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\FREEZER Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 C:\386SPART.PAR Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 C:\BNG2.MBX Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk 2048 bytes in each allocation unit 20687 total allocation units on disk 764 available allocation units on disk 655360 total bytes memory 579712 bytes free -- Brad Banko; Dept of Physics; U of Illinois; b-banko@uiuc.edu ========================================================================= See one. Do one. Teach one. 73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il
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From: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com Subject: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems as follows: Eight (8) Mb RAM Ethernet 1 Mb VRAM Math CoProcessor option My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. Please send your responses to: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com. I will summarize if there is enough interest. Thanks! -- David Guevara, Internet: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com
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From: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Reply-To: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Organization: Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 21 alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > > Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > Dial 511 and it sound tell you the number. --- skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: news.C51sMA.AnC Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 75 cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes: >In article <C4vIr5.L3r@shuksan.ds.boeing.com>, fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: >|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: >|> : >|> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn >|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is >|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced >|> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of >|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? >|> >|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. >|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if >|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket >|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not >|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. >|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was >|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I >|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but >|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important >|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT >|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit >|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has >|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. >|> >|> Fred >Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. >If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for >the same car. So isn't that saving money? Yes. But the point is that prices are competetive. Saturn may well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a $2000 profit, but since a comperable Honda with $500 profit is more expensive, it may be well worth it to buy the Saturn. >Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, >then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was >already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they >reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: >1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. > >2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. >Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even >the buyers for other cars will pay less. Not necessarily. It seems to me that Saturn salesdroids, who don't make a commision, whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally do, make more $$ per hour or whatever. This means that Saturn doesn't give up the profit to their employees through commision, which IS taken out of per- car profits. They just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen/women. >Isn't that saving money? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on accounting practices. I'd rather pay more for dealer service that doesn't cut corners to contain costs... >$0.02, >doug. $2/100 CKA '87 (Carolina) Blue Honda Civic DX -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *"Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..." Peart "Cinderella Man"*************
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From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article <C5JE94.KrL@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.161112.21772@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> I don't think "extra-scientific" is a very useful phrase in a discussion >|> of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. >|> Extra-rational >|> is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases >|> of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. > >Yeah, but the problem with holding up the "extra-rational" examples as >exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you >run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko. Such "extra- >rational" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology. As has been noted before, there is the distinction between _motivation_ and _method_. No experimental result should be accepted unless it is described in sufficient detail to be replicated, and the replications do indeed reproduce the result. No theoretical argument should be accepted unless it is presented in sufficient detail to be followed, and reasonable, knowlegeable, people agree with the force of the logic. But people try experiments, and pursue arguments, for all sorts of crazy reasons. Irrational motivations are not just curiousities; they are a large part of the history of science. There are a couple of negative points to make here: 1) A theory of qi could, conceivably, become accepted without direct verification of the existence of qi. For example, quarks are an accepted part of the standard model of physics, with no direct verification. What would be needed would be a theory, based on qi, that predicted medical reality better than the alternatives. The central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment, as long as there was a sufficient body of experimental data that the qi theory predicted better than any other. (I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the triumph of qi, though. I don't think that there is even a coherent theory based on it, much less a theory that explains anything at all better than modern biology. And it is hard to imagine a qi theory that would not predict some way of rather directly verifying the existence of qi.) 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. Pasteur could believe whatever he liked about chemical activity and crystals; but even Mitscherlich had to agree that racemic acid crystals were handed; that when you separate them by handedness, you get two chemicals that rotate polarized light in opposite directions; and the right-rotating version was indistinguishable from tartaric acid. Pasteur's irrational motivation had led to a replicable, and important, result. This is where Lysenko, creationists, etc. fail. They have usually not even produced coherent theories that predict much of anything. When their theories do predict, and are contradicted by experiment, they do not concede the point and modify their theories; rather they try to suppress the results (Lysenko) or try to divert attention to other evidence they think supports their position (creationists). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1r0v4c$i1j@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes: > In <1r0poqINNc4k@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: > > > In article <C5rDAw.4s4@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> zed@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted > > Schuerzinger) writes: > > Well, it's now Tuesday morning. Where are those two arsons, now? I said > > yesterday they would vanish, and there has been no further mention of them, > > just the desired "impression" is left. > > According to KIKK radio in Houston, all nine survivors are either in hos- > pitals or in jails. Inlucding the two who allegedly helped start the firess. In the FBI briefing, no mention was made of having the fire starters in custody. > > > Why could no one else even talk to them? Why could Koresh's grandmother not > > talk to him or even send him a taped message? Why the total isolation? > > Well, it wasn't TOTAL, 100% isolation. After the lawyer snuck in the first > time, they (the FBI, etc) let him go back inside several times, including, I > think, the day before the final assualt. > Why not his mother? Why not the media? > semper fi, > > Jammer Jim Miller > Texas A&M University '89 and '91 > _______________________________________________________________________________ _ > I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. > "Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System." > "Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man." > ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 30 >How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus? By initiating a DMA xfer. :) Seriously, busmastering adapter have their own DMA ability, they don't use the motherboards on-board DMA(which is *MUCH* slower). ISA has no bus arbitration, so if two busmastering cards in 1 ISA system try to do DMA xfers on the same DMA channel the system will lock or crash.(I forget) Their are 8 DMA channels in an ISA system. 0-7. 0-3 are 8-bit & 4-7 are 16-bit. The system uses DMA 0, a SoundBlaster uses DMA 1. I could buy a busmastering XGA-2 video card & a busmastering SCSI HA. In order for them to work properly, I would have to find out what DMA channel the XGA-2 card uses and then simply configure the SCSI HA to use a different DMA channel for its DMA xfers. I don't know if multiple DMA xfers can go on at the same time on ISA. I'm not sure if they can on EISA systems either. I do know that on EISA/MCA systems, you can allow BM cards to use the same DMA channel. Thanks.
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From: Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu (Steve Teolis) Subject: Re: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE *** Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 38 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.75.24 >TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with: > 1 Controller > AC Adapter > Antenna hookup > * Games: > Kieth Courage > Victory Run > Fantasy Zone > Military Madness > Battle Royal > Legendary Axe > Blazing Lasers > Bloody Wolf > > -------------------------------------- >* Will sell games separatley at $25 each > -------------------------------------- Your kidding, $210.00, man o man, you can buy the system new for $49.00 at Electronic Boutique and those games are only about $15 - $20.00 brand new. Maybe you should think about that price again if you REALLY need the money. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wayne State University Steve Teolis 6050 Cass Ave. # 238 Detroit, MI 48202 Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) Subject: Airline ticket R/T between US/Canada and Europe/Carrib/LatinAm Keywords: airline ticket Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: delaware Reply-To: pat@wrs.com Organization: Wind River Systems I have one round-trip ticket good for travel between USA or Canada and Europe, Hawaii, Latin America, or the Caribbean. It is fully transferable and can be used originating here or there. I had intended to use it to visit my grandfather who was sick, but he died before I got there so I have no use for it now. I'm looking for $500 or best offer, but act fast it will be gone on April 15 no matter what. -Patrick (pat@wrs.com)
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From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene J. Stern) Subject: Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: lindsay.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Distribution: nj Lines: 43 We will be holding a bake and craft sale at Communiversity in Princeton on Nassau Street, Saturday April 24th 12-4 p.m. to benefit the Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Foundation, a nonprofit foundation established to encourage research toward a cure for Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. Our three year old daughter suffers from this disease. Below is a press release that appeared in local newspapers. Hope you can join us. On Saturday, April 24 as part of Communiversity in Princeton, a local family will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public awareness about a rare disease called Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. Bill and Marlene Stern's daughter Lindsay is afflicted with this disease characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx, vocal cords and trachea. Caused by a virus, the tumors grow, block the air passages and would lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths. Three year old Lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her lifetime. Even though the disease is hardly a household word, it has affected the lives of enough people to inspire the formation of the Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Foundation, a non-profit foundation whose goals are to provide support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a newsletter, enhance awareness of RRP at the local and national level, and aid in the prevention, cure, and treatment. Since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to those viruses causing warts, they feel a cure would be within reach if money were available for research. Because RRP is rare, it not only gets scant attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure. Part of the RRP Foundation's mission is to change that. Anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale, please call Marlene or Bill at 609-890-0502. Monetary donations can be made at the Foundation's booth during Communiversity, April 24th, 12 to 4 p.m., in downtown Princeton, or sent directly to: The Recurrent Respiratory Foundation 50 Wesleyan Drive Hamilton Sq., NJ 08690. Thanks mstern@lindsay.princeton.edu
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: What about No-Fault? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 31 In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes: > >Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the >majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we >would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system? > >With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the >legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would >get screwed. Yup. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance does NOT go down with No Fault. The crappiest drivers make out like bandits because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy drivers. The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair. Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of shit, because the rest of us end up paying more. Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two years ago now. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: RAND Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org In article <C5uLqn.Gpw@fc.hp.com> cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) writes: >: While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up [KNX], AM 1070, >: a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad >: claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from >: all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed >: under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does [KNX] have >: an exclusive? What's the deal? Well, they claim they are the only radio broadcaster with this information. But the city's cable channel (35 in CableVision areas) shows this information map during travel times (6-9am and 4-7pm, I believe). Most of the major LA freeways are covered. The computer-generated map shows green, yellow, red, or flashing red (respectively: <40mph, 25-40mph, >25mph, and "incident"--I might be off a little on the speeds, since this is from memory). I often look at this display in the morning to see if I really want to fight the traffic on the Sepulveda Pass or work from home for a little while to wait for it to clear. Another poster explained the origin of the information: sensors (embedded wire loops) in the pavement near ramps and every half mile or so. CalTrans has had a "big board" driven from this data in their traffic control center for some time. I don't know if they are selling the data or if anyone with the equipment necessary for its transmission and display can have it. -Ed Hall edhall@rand.org
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From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: The infamous Gateway 2000 video/monitor problem: info requested! Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Greg Spath (GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote: : In article <C4uEoM.EvF@odin.corp.sgi.com>, mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) says: : >So, by going mailorder through Gateway, I save ~13%. Plus, I get : >technical support over the phone, free software package. : > : Have fun trying to get hold of technical support over the phone. At least : locally you can walk right up to the dealer and tell him what is wrong, and : he has to fix it. Phone support is quick and competent from many mail order firms, but not so quick and not so competent from others (Gateway included). But my experience with computer retailers (which is significant) has lead to the conclusion that sales personnel and retail-technical personnel are forbidden to actually learn about the products they sell. Talk about incompetent! O.K., so a few percent of their answers are correct, but those salesmen don't even realize how stupid they are. ... ....... O.K. ...I'll settle down now.... .... let me catch my breath..... .. Fact: retail stores never provide a better value in terms of price per product. Retail outlets are desirable, however, to those people who aren't interested in learning about computers enough to make their own decisions. This is fine; for example most of my education about carpeting, wall paper, lawn mowers, microwave ovens, etc. has come from sales personnel. I assume I must be an idiot. But I don't care about those things. I do, however, care about my computer - i.e. I demand features and performance, and I'll be damned if I'll pay some high-school drop out commission on an over-rated, over-priced system and in the process be subjected to his distorted B.S. G.L. are generally so
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade Distribution: na Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 42 In article <C4xAwp.tAK@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes: > In <1993Apr3.041411.23590@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes: # # "Abortions destructive of the fetus must be permitted, even # # just before birth, if they promote what the [Supreme] Court # # calls ``health'' # # Yes, Doug, we all know that Roe v. Wade prevents states from prohibiting # abortions necessary to preserve the life or health of the woman. Only # very stupid people (such as yourself) confuse a discussion of mental health # related to "Jane Doe", who was in a mental institution, and attempt to claim # that this same argument could be applied to a woman who decided she wanted # an abortion because she was having a "bad hair day". # # As you well know, the facts are that there are about 100 third-trimester # abortions performed in this country annually, and those are *only* done for # *serious* health reasons. # -- # Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) Hmmm. Human gestation period is something like 39 weeks. That means third trimester abortions are those done after 26 weeks. In consulting a 1989 World Almanac, I see that 1% of abortions in 1983 were done at 21 weeks or more. That's about 1268 abortions in 1983 after 21 weeks. Unless the number of abortions performed has dropped dramatically, or a LOT of abortions are done between 21 and 26 weeks, I think you are wrong. By the way, Roe v. Wade allowed states to adopt very, very broad prohibitions on third-trimester abortions, but some states, such as California, declined to do so. It was reported* that what finally stopped third trimester elective abortions in the Bay Area wasn't law, but that the only hospital doing them ran out of nurses, then doctors, willing to do them. Not surprisingly, the bay area NOW chapter was terribly upset about this. I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice doesn't have a grain of truth to it. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
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From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu Subject: Misc./buying info. needed Organization: Hampshire College Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have some questions: -Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? -Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Also -Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? -Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me. Thanks a lot. -Jordan
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From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody Lines: 29 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from >the people on the net. > >Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You >give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their >action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is >what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you >collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there >(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.) >What kind >of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would >be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and >it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone >saw you and you were caught? It's one of those "by State" things, pretty much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: SAM Virus Clinic (Mac) Software for Sale Keywords: SAM Virus Clinic Software Macintosh Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I have one original SAM (Symantec AntiVirus for Macintosh) V3.0 for sale. It comes with three program discs and one user manual. Will work with 800K and 1.4MB disc drives. Selling for $17.90 (make an offer) which includes postage. Respond to: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
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From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: moving icons Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) There's a program called "Icon Frightener" included with the book Stupid Windows Tricks by Bob LeVitus and Ed Tittel (Addison-Wesley, 1992). It's freeware. If it's not on the net anywhere, I'll happily email a copy to someone who's willing to upload it (I can't upload through our Internet firewall). -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
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From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com In article <1993Apr19.034517.12820@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: [stuff deleted] >So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT >HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense. Actually, it does make a reasonable amount of sense. Fixed disk sectors are buffered by the controller, and transferring them to memory with a 'rep insw' (or whatever the instruction is called) is quite efficient (single instruction, goes as fast as the controller/cpu know how to use the bus). Since the 286 wasn't cached, the bus is likely a critical resource relative to CPU performance, and it's possible that DMA bus interference would cause as much or more loss of CPU cycles (for 'computing') as does the 'rep insw' sequence. The floppy, on the other hand, is not buffered, so that using the CPU for floppy data transfer (as was done on the PC Jr, by the way) really does stink. Wally Bass
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From: qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) Subject: Re: free moral agency Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 26 In article <kmr4.1575.734879106@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.000406.10984@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) writes: > >>>So while Faith itself is a Gift, obedience is what makes Faith possible. >>What makes obeying different from believing? > I am still wondering how it is that I am to be obedient, when I have >no idea to whom I am to be obedient! It is all written in _The_Wholly_Babble:_the_Users_Guide_to_Invisible_ _Pink_Unicorns_. To be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns, you must read the Babble, and obey what is written in it. To obey what is written in the Babble, you must believe that doing so is the way to be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns. To believe that obeying what is written in the Babble leads to believing in invisible pink unicorns, you must, essentially, believe in invisible pink unicorns. This bit of circular reasoning begs the question: What makes obeying different from believing? -- qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.
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From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Tanabe) Subject: terminal software Article-I.D.: ponder.htanabe.734110579 Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 10 Please reply via EMail... When I use the terminal software for Windows such as TERMINAL.EXE or Crossttalk, it doesn't use the whole window. I mean, when the software's window size is max, it still scrolls around the 2/3 of window. It does not use whole window. I set "stty rows 30", but still the same. Scrolls at 2/3 from the top of the windows. Could anyone tell me how to setup these software to use whole window? Thanks in advance.
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From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) Subject: Re: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924. Keywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, >we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an >emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice. >In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed >de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a >genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively >ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The >result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen >and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization >on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any >vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish >governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture >distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In >the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies >shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy >merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state >policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a >crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the >successful genocide of the Armenians. [ ... ] >ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR >-- >David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in >S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the >P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93 >Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal To which I say: Hear, hear. Motion seconded. Hovig -- Hovig Heghinian University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Department of Computer Science
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From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Cute X clients Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 69 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Try this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include <stdio.h> #include <X11/Xlib.h> #include <X11/Xutil.h> Display *dpy; int screen; XColor *xclrs,*xclrp; XID cmap; int cells,i,j,red,green,blue,got; main() { dpy = XOpenDisplay(NULL); screen = DefaultScreen(dpy); cells = DisplayCells(dpy,screen); cmap = XCreateColormap(dpy,RootWindow(dpy,screen),DefaultVisual(dpy,screen),1); xclrs = (XColor *)malloc(cells * sizeof(*xclrs)); xclrp = xclrs; for (i=0; i<cells; i++) { xclrp->pixel = i; xclrp->flags = 7; xclrp++; }; XQueryColors(dpy,DefaultColormap(dpy,screen),xclrs,cells); XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; i<cells; i++) { if(xclrp->red < 65000) {xclrp->red += 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green < 65000) {xclrp->green +=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue < 65000) {xclrp->blue +=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; i<cells; i++) { if(xclrp->red > 256) {xclrp->red -= 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green > 256) {xclrp->green -=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue > 256) {xclrp->blue -=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } } -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It will work on any PseudoColor XServer. (hopefully :) -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+
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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 12 In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. The Dividians didn't have that option after the FBI cut off their electricity. -- Flag burners don't bother me as much as seeing the American flag on tanks assaulting the church of Americans who had never bothered anyone.
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From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Re: Electronic Tesla Coils Summary: Real World Applications Keywords: tesla, coil, osc, flyback, transformers, wireless, emi, ac, ignition Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Distribution: World Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 In article <1993Mar25.161909.8110@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes: >In article <C4CntG.Jv4@spk.hp.com> long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long) writes: >>Fred W. Culpepper (fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu) wrote: >>[...] >>A couple of years ago I put together a Tesla circuit which >>was published in an electronics magazine and could have been >>the circuit which is referred to here. This one used a >>flyback transformer from a tv onto which you wound your own >>primary windings. It also used 2 power transistors in a TO 3 >[...] >10 years ago I built a 1'000,000 volt Tesla, and the thing was VERY >spectacular, but besides scaring/amazing friends (depending on their >knowledge of Science), and generating strong EMI, I never found anything >useful that could be done with it ... Is there any real-world application >for Tesla coils today ? > >David Prutchi First of all, realize that Tesla invented AC power generators, motors, transformers, conductors, etc. Technically, *ALL* transformers are Tesla coils. In general though when someone refers to a Tesla coil, they mean an "air core resonant transformer". The TV flyback version Tesla coil (see the _Encyclopedia_of_Electronic_Circuits_ V3, 106-1 for diagram) has NOT an air core. It is of a class of circuit called "Oscillating Shuttle Circuit" (OSC). Generally OSC's are highly efficient, but this version uses transistors and resistors, which are very lossy devices. Typically Tesla used active reactances instead of passive resistors, so that he could achieve efficiencies of 99.5%, and better. The usual application of an air-core resonant transformer, or of an OSC, is to produce strong EMI for wireless broadcasts. How well do you think your computer screen would work if we removed the HF HV Tesla (flyback) coil from it? If we were to remove from our homes and industries all Tesla coils, our lights would go dark, our cars would sputter and die, our radios would go silent, our industries would grind to a halt, and we would have to go back to using coal for heat, gas for lamps, horses for transportation, steam for power, and telegraph for communication. Is that real world enough for you??????? GET THE MESSAGE! WE WOULD NOT HAVE 1/100 THE CONVIENIENCES WE HAVE TODAY IF NOT FOR TESLA. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE! If it had been up to Edison, we'd still be in the 19th century. (flame me at your own peril. I'm very good at putting edison down). ---- ET "Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes". ----
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Keywords: Nuclear Lines: 33 swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes: >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >I hope someone can help The actual hourglass is hollow and is designed to generate a draft, exploiting the venturi effect. Around the base of the hourglass is a ring of water towers. Warm river water, coming from the steam condenser in the plant, is sprayed over louvres. The draft being pulled through the tower cools the water by both evaporation and convection. The sensible heat extracted from the cooling water is the driving force for draft generation. It should be noted that the hourglass-shaped cooling towers are used on both fossile and nuclear plants. It should also be noted that at locations where water is plentiful, the cooling towers are only used part time, when the discharge temperature would exceed some release limit. It was once thought that the warm discharge water was damaging to fish. Fishermen know that is thoroughly incorrect. Nontheless, stringent, usually state, regulations remain in some instances. Since it typically takes 60,000 hp worth of pumping to move the volume of water needed to cool a 1000 MWe plant, the cost of using the towers is not insignificant. -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: insect impacts Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: >>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat >>flies, thank you. >Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph >on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute. Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike! --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======-------- Dr. Speed Suzuki GS850G DoD #8177
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From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Maoee Tsen-1) Subject: 486DX/33 Intel CPU chip for $265. Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Distribution: na Lines: 4 Upgraded my friend's 486DX/33 and have the chip for sale, 486DX/33 Intel CPU chip, first US$265+shipping will get the chip. or you can make the offer if you don't like the price... Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) Distribution: rec Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University NNTP-Posting-Host: laura.harvard.edu In-reply-to: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT Lines: 10 >>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said: Mike> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? Sure. In fact, you can do a wheelie on a shaft-drive motorcycle without even moving. Just don't try countersteering. :-) -- Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu> MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18 Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
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From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Fresco status? Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Issue 5 of the X Resource (the published proceedings of the 7th Annual X Technical Conference) has an paper by Mark Linton and Chuck Price titled "Building Distributed interfaces with Fresco". The summary describes Fresco (formerly known as XC++) as an X consortium effort. Without doing a complete review of the paper, I'll just mention the goals as stated in one section of the article. the effort has the goal of providing the next generation toolkit with functionality beyond the Xt toolkit or Xlib. Features they want in FRESCO include: lightweight Objects, such as Interviews Glyphs Structured Graphics Resolution independence Natural C++ programming interface edit-in-place embedding distributed user interface components Multithreading This by no means captures the complete content of the paper. The Conclusions sections mentions that a rough draft specification should be available in early 93, with no schedule (paper presented in Jan 93) for a complete sample implementation. I am not affiliated with any of the people or places mentioned above. -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan
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Subject: Re: Bo was a good player, you shorts (plus idiots) From: guilford@otago.ac.nz <1993Apr5.101636.1@otago.ac.nz> <C50M9D.Dv@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 106 In article <C50M9D.Dv@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes: > BO JACKSON 1963 > 1988 KCR 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 .253 67 .243 .288 .455 > 1989 KCR 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 .274 92 .259 .314 .507 > 1990 KCR 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 .286 77 .272 .343 .519 > 1991 CWS 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 .240 10 .225 .337 .394 > MAJ 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 .270 246 .256 .316 .489 > MAJ 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 > > This is what Jackson looked like in 88-91, with everything converted > to a neutral park, on the basis of run production. His equivalent > average started at .253 in 88, was up to .274 in 89 and 286 in 90. So > let us say he had established, in his last two seasons, a .280 level > of play. I'm not quite sure how these numbers are generated. It appears that in a neutral park Bo's HR and slugging tend to drop (he actually loses two home runs). Or do they? What is "equivalent average?" One thing, when looking at Bo's stats, is that you can see that KC took away some homers. Normally, you expect some would-be homers to go for doubles or triples in big parks, or to be caught, and for that matter you expect lots of doubles and triples anyway. But Bo, despite his speed, hit very few doubles and not that many triples. So I would expect his value to have risen quite considerably in a neutral park. > That is good. Very good, in fact. But it probably doesn't make the top > ten in the league. The 10th best EQA in the AL in 1992 was Dave > Winfield's .296; Thomas was first at .350. First in the NL was Bonds, > an incroyable .378; tenth was Bip Roberts, .297. But .280 is better > than any season in the past five years by Joe Carter; it is about what > Mattingly had in 1988 (.285); what Felix Jose had the last two years; > just ahead of Time Raines' five-year average; better than Ryan > Klesko's MLEs. Felix Jose has been a .350/.440 player in a fairly neutral park. I would offhand guess the `89-`90 Bo at around a .330/.530 player. Maybe .330/.550 . Not even close. > He got more attention from the media than was warranted from his > baseball playing, though; his hype was a lot better than his hitting. > That is the basis for the net.comments about him being overrated. The > media would have you beleive he was a great hitter. I think he was a > good, maybe very good hitter. He was IMO, something like the 30th best > hitter in the majors. I'd put him about there too. Note: I hadn't realized the media had hyped him so much. I thought he was always viewed by them as a better football player, and only so-so at baseball. He did only have one 30-hr, 100-rbi season, and KC wasn't winning. Note 2: I maybe have harped on this a bit in the past, but there is a mistake being made (by the SDCN's, as they are known, on this group) with respect to players like Bo and Deion and Lofton (and perhaps others). We find, that if you look at a large group of players, their past major and minor league numbers will predict their future numbers fairly well. Their are some caveats: the younger they are, the less good the prediction; the lower the minor league, the less good (I imagine), the more recent the player has left college ball, etc. Now of course, this prediction involves quite a bit of "error." Sometimes a player with poor MLE's (Dave Justice, the 1990 Ventura) becomes a star. Some hitters develop (Shane Mack, Brian Downing), some don't (Oddibe McDowell, Mickey Brantley). This error involves real things: there are real reasons why Oddibe didn't hit and Shane did. It may (who knows) involve parks and batting coaches and wheaties and injuries and lifting and so on. But still, you have this big pool of players, and things work pretty well. One of the reasons for these predictions accuracy is the common background of the players. One thing we know about professional baseball players is that all of them (or almost all) have spent a good deal of time playing ball. Their backgrounds are similar. What hasn't been established is what happens when you encounter a player with a different background? Is there some reason to believe that a Bo, or a Deion, or a Lofton, or a Tony Gwynn (?), or an Ainge, or so on, has such a different background, that the standard model and standard assumptions fit this person slowly? It hasn't been established that you can use MLE's with two-sport players. (It hasn't been established that you can't, but then statistics is, after all, an art). I personally think otherwise lucid individuals continually make completely nonsensical statements about Bo and Deion and Lofton. "Look at those good-but-not-great minor league numbers," they say. Well, what happens if those numbers simply don't mean what they usually mean? It might mean that Ken Lofton suddenly has a better year in Houston than Tuscon. It might mean that Deion suddenly has a better half-year in Atlanta than Greenville. Then again, it might not. Ken and Deion might go right back in the tank this year, live up to those poor MLE's. But you guys DON'T KNOW. What's worse, you don't know that you don't. And you don't know that there are other players you won't know about -- injuries and lifting and wheaties again. You seem to think that the model is perfect and eternal. It's not. It's got some error. Oh well. Bill Guilford still thinks "hairy butt is truly ugly" might be right
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From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES In-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:45:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: [stuff deleted] > Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the > KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it is a part of it. >The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them within their borders? [...] > At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH > crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians are attacking Azeri towns. Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's going to cause incessant skirmishes. Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better to keep the bad blood between them minimal? If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of their blood and future. It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading inflammatory half-truths. cheers, BM
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article <Apr16.215151.28035@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >the price of parts is a different story though... you can say that again. how does $23 for a new thermostat sound? -teddy
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From: Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 18 >And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >for the Pens. I had heard(perhaps incorrectly) that while Lemieux was out, noone wore a C on their jersey. The As took turns doing captain duties(whatever they are). Scott... scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: gvanvugh@cs.uct.ac.za (Gerhard van Vught) Subject: Problem with libararies (?) Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Lines: 50 I have been trying to compile some source code for a mpeg animation viewer for X Windows. I got the code from a ftp site. I have modified the Makefile as they instructed, no errors there. What happens is that I get the following message when everything is going to be linked: cc util.o video.o parseblock.o motionvector.o decoders.o fs2.o fs2fast.o fs4.o hybrid.o hybriderr.o 2x2.o gdith.o gray.o mono.o main.o jrevdct.o 24bit.o util32.o ordered.o ordered2.o mb_ordered.o /lib/libX11.so /lib/libXext.so -lm -o mpeg_play Undefined first referenced symbol in file getnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_alloc /lib/libX11.so t_unbind /lib/libX11.so t_open /lib/libX11.so t_rcvdis /lib/libX11.so netdir_free /lib/libX11.so t_error /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyname /lib/libX11.so getnetconfigent /lib/libX11.so t_look /lib/libX11.so t_errno /lib/libX11.so t_close /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyaddr /lib/libX11.so t_listen /lib/libX11.so t_rcv /lib/libX11.so setnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_bind /lib/libX11.so t_connect /lib/libX11.so t_accept /lib/libX11.so nc_perror /lib/libX11.so inet_addr /lib/libX11.so ld: mpeg_play: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to mpeg_play *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Does anyone know where these missing functions are located? If you do can you help me with it? I posted before to one of the other Unix groups, I tried their suggestions but always get this error. If you have to know: I am using Unix system V. The machines here are 486's. The terminals I want to use are separate and just called X-terminals and they seem dedicated to that. I'm not sure as to what they really are, since it is one of my first times out with this X-windows gidget! That is, first time programming for it, so to speak. I use them alot just for the graphics things. If you can help, mail me soon. Gerard.
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From: suwanto@iastate.edu (zapper) Subject: Re: 2SC1096, 2SA634 specs? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 35 >Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of >2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts. >They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set. 2SC1096 Maximum Ratings: VCBO = 40V VCEO = 30V IC = 3A PC = 10W (T=25C) ICBO max = 1uA VCB = 30V COB = 55pF at Q-point VCE=5, IC=1A --> hfe = 100 2SA634 Maximum Ratings: VCBO = -40V VCEO = -30V IC = -3A PC = 10W (T=25C) ICBO max = -1uA VCB = -30V COB = 75pF at Q-point VCE = -5V, IC = -1A --> hfe = 100 That's all i can get from my data book, hope that helps. suwanto@iastate.edu
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From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 47 kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: > >>Funny, but I've seen a LOT more than 10 or 15 seconds of that video, and >>I still think the police involved were guilty. I don't think there's any >>excuse they could POSSIBLY come up with that would make what they did >>OK. I don't care if Rodney King was satan himself, there's just no >>excuse. Now, whether they did it because he was black or they did it >>because they wanted to beat up on somebody they were arresting is >>another entirely separate question that I have insufficient information >>to make any kind of conclusion about. > > > How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives o > n > the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that > took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? Oh yeah, did you watch > the start of the video when King got UP out of his prone postion and charge > the cops? Sorry, the video cuts both was when you sit and watch it start to > finish. > > I have to agree with you... the police may have carried it a bit too far but Rodney King was no angel either. And I don't think ANY guilty verdicts should have been returned. I'm sure you know why they handed down guilty verdicts on two of the officers. It's quite simple really, it was a compromise to avoid rioting in the places where minorities think it's right to riot. I hate to say this, but I would have liked to see them riot with everyone prepared. It would be open season if your skin was even slightly brown. Hey, my motto is, you don't fuck with me or my stuff and you don't get killed. It's just that simple. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- --------------------------
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From: stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 63 In <Apr.22.00.55.06.1993.2048@geneva.rutgers.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes: >In article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>, >conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: >> >> >> I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere >> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. >I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes >"true" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially >about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on >Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that >true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. >But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity >IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the >Branch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"? Doctrinal >differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as >an answer. As far as I can see, one of the big differences between Davidians and Christians is in who they follow. I have sometimes tried to put myself in the feet of one of Jesus's disciples. Basically, they gave up a lot --- career, possibly family, and well, a whole bunch, to follow Jesus. So what is the difference? It is quite plain. Jesus was good and David Koresh was not. The problem is, I think, is that we try to legislate what is good and what is bad in terms of principles. For instance, there are thousands of laws in the U.S. governing what is legal and what is not. Often, it is hard to bring people to justice, because it is not possible to find a legal way to do it. If only we could trust judges to be just, then we could tell them to administer justice fairly, and justice would be followed. But since judges don't always get it right, we have a complicated system involving precedent and bunches of other stuff which attempt to make the imperfect (the justice of man) into something perfect. But what I hear about the justice system in the U.S. tells me that quite the opposite is true. There is also a problem that we tend to judge the presentation more than the material being presented. So we might consider a ranting Christian to be bad, but an eloquent person from another religion to be good. This goes along with the American desire to protect the Constitution at all costs, even if it allows people to do bad things. I think that it is the message that is important. If a man is presenting a false message, even if he is ever ever so mild mannered, then that man is performing a tremendous disservice. I know that I am rambling here. I guess that what I am trying to say is that we shouldn't be looking for principles that tell us why the Davidians got it wrong. It is not wrong to follow and worship a person. But it is important to choose the right person. It is simple. Choose Jesus, and you got it right. Choose anyone else, and you got it wrong. Why? Because Jesus is the begotten son of God, and nobody else is. Jesus was without sin, and nobody else was. Stephen
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: > I don't get up in arms when > the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in > my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. Just to make sure everyone is clear on this: "it never has" refers to "protects", not "fails to protect"; i.e., in my lifetime I have never seen the U.S. government consistently protect the interest of U.S. citizens, except by accident. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation
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From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: God's promise of Peace Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fa- thers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >>But, if you were to discuss the merits of racism, or its psycholgical >>benefits, you would do well to have experienced it personally. >When you speak of "experiencing religion" you mean someone should believe in >a religion. That's right, and this is pretty impossible, right? It would be ideal if we could believe for a while, just to try out religion, and only then determine which course of thought suits us best. But again, this is not possible. Not that religion warrants belief, but the belief carries with it some psychological benefits. There are also some psychological burdens, too. >When you speak of "experiencing racism", do you mean that someone should >believe in racism, or that they should have racist things done to them? For >parallelism, the former must be what you meant, but it seems to be an odd >usage of the phrase. Well, if there were some psychological or other benefits gained from racism, they could only be fully understood or judged by persons actually "believing" in racism. Of course, the parallel happens to be a poor one, but you originated it. keith