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From: lhenso@unf6.cis.unf.edu (Larry Henson) Subject: IBM link to Imagewriter -- HELP!! Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville Lines: 10 Hello, I am trying to hook an Apple Imagewriter to my IBM Clone. I seem to have a problem configuring my lpt port to accept this. How can you adjust baud, parity, etc. to fit the system? I tried MODE, but it did not work. If anyone can help, post of e-mail. Thanx. -- "Abort, Retry, FORMAT?!?!? Doctor, give me the chainsaw... Trust me! I'm a scientist!" Larry Henson
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From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development Lines: 26 sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.143400.569@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca >(Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call >> themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture >> in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps >> you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any >> true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any >> association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any >> further ties with this cult, which was what they were. >Well, if they were Satanists, or followers of an obscure religion, >then I would be sure that Christians would in unison condemn and >make this to a show case. You might be sure, but you would also be wrong. >And does not this show the dangers with religion -- in order >word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting >their small children burn to ashes while they scream? I suspect the answer to this question is the same as the answer to, "Do not the actions of the likes of Stalin show the dangers of atheism?"
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>>>What if I act morally for no particular reason? Then am I moral? What >>>>if morality is instinctive, as in most animals? >>>Saying that morality is instinctive in animals is an attempt to >>>assume your conclusion. >>Which conclusion? >You conclusion - correct me if I err - that the behaviour which is >instinctive in animals is a "natural" moral system. See, we are disagreeing on the definition of moral here. Earlier, you said that it must be a conscious act. By your definition, no instinctive behavior pattern could be an act of morality. You are trying to apply human terms to non-humans. I think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative, this does not prevent his behavior from being moral. >>You don't think that morality is a behavior pattern? What is human >>morality? A moral action is one that is consistent with a given >>pattern. That is, we enforce a certain behavior as moral. >You keep getting this backwards. *You* are trying to show that >the behaviour pattern is a morality. Whether morality is a behavior >pattern is irrelevant, since there can be behavior pattern, for >example the motions of the planets, that most (all?) people would >not call a morality. I try to show it, but by your definition, it can't be shown. And, morality can be thought of a large class of princples. It could be defined in terms of many things--the laws of physics if you wish. However, it seems silly to talk of a "moral" planet because it obeys the laws of phyics. It is less silly to talk about animals, as they have at least some free will. keith
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 34 In article <20773.3049.uupcb@factory.com> jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) writes: >Headaches that seriously interfere with activities of daily living >affect about 15% of the population. Doesn't that sound like >something a "primary care" physician should know something about? I >tend to agree with HMO administrators - family physicians should >learn the basics of headache management. > Absolutely. Unfortunately, most of them have had 3 weeks of neurology in medical school and 1 month (maybe) in their residency. Most of that is done in the hospital where migraines rarely are seen. Where are they supposed to learn? Those who are diligent and read do learn, but most don't, unfortunately. >Sometimes I wonder what tension-type headaches have to do with >neurology anyway. We are the only ones, sometimes, who have enough interest in headaches to spend the time to get enough history to diagnose them. Too often, the primary care physician hears "headache" and loses interest in anything but giving the patient analgesics and getting them out of the office so they can get on to something more interesting. >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic). Headaches I hope you meant "inarguably". -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Kam-Chung Cheung <kc35+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Squirrel Hill Studio Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu Squirrel Hill Studio/Efficiency available in mid May. My lease is expiring on 7/31/93. Perfect for someone looking for temporary housing or someone who wants to stay beyond July. - Nice short walk to CMU - $325/month - Plenty of parking space on street - Quiet neighborhood - nearly new carpet - Call 421-8466
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From: hughm@brwal.inmos.co.uk (Hugh McIntyre) Subject: Sun3/60 + X11R5 -> undeletable console messages. Keywords: sun sun3 X11R5 console Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK Lines: 23 We have an old Sun3/60 here which gets occasional use. When X11R5 is started on it any console messages during startup are undeletable. After X is fully started we run an xterm as the "console" - the problem is that any messages that arrive before this starts go to the plain console. "Refresh window" fails to remove them. The messages are a real pain since they sit in the middle of the screen obscuring anything else below them. At boot time the 3/60 lists two framebuffers - /dev/cgfour0 and /dev/bwtwo1. We're running X in color, and I suspect that maybe the offending messages are on the B/W framebuffer, and thereby not getting deleted. My question is: has anyone else seen this, and is there an easy way to get rid of these messages? Please reply by e-mail to hughm@inmos.co.uk. Hugh McIntyre. INMOS Ltd., Bristol, UK. (BTW: SunOS 4.0.3, X11R5, mwm). PS: I know I can redirect output of the relevant commands to /dev/null - I'm looking for a more general solution).
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035020.16730 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J >on Cochran) writes: >>> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt >>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0 and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa. [stuff deleted] >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires. The GTZ does come with much bigger 16" wheels. >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine >Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track. The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible. >Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1 16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras. >> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep >>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top >>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the >>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta). >***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see >for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000 The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed. >rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!) > >>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4 >>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD. >Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, >then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k miles, a rare screw up by Honda. Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR. Craig
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: >Yo, ASSHOLES. I hope you are all just kidding >because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets >many a MOTORcyclist killed: "Look at the leather >clad poseurs! Watch how they swirve and >swear as I pretend that they don't exist while >I change lanes." > >If you really find it necesary to wreck others >enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then >it is truely you who are the poseur. > >--aaron Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against? ================================================================================ Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. ================================================================================
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From: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com (Mick Mueck) Subject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? Reply-To: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com Organization: Analog Devices, Inc. Lines: 14 I had the same question for my 55lb NEC 5FG monitor. The Apple guy said that their 50lb 16" monitor is OK to put ontop of the Centris and had no coment beyond that. I was going to just put the NEC on the box but then I got to thinking - the monitor has a small tilt/swivel base so maybe the weight would be more concentrated than with Apple's (I don't know the area of the base of their tilt/swivel). Additionally, the CDROM drive is in the middle. So I cut a piece of 3/8" thick wood to about 16.25" x 12", covered it in a cream covered cloth, and used it as a buffer layer between the Centris's top and the monitor!! Mick Mueck mick.mueck@analog.com **************** I HATE *CHIPSOFT'S* MacINTAX *******************
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From: lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem) Subject: Dutch: symposium compacte objecten Summary: U wordt uitgenodigd voor het symposium compacte objecten 26-4-93 Keywords: compacte objecten, symposium Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 122 Sterrenkundig symposium 'Compacte Objecten' op 26 april 1993 In het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de Universiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste waarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde in de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de voorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350 jaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond. De huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten sterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht, vieren de benoeming van hun 'oervader' middels een breed scala aan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een planetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies Natalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er staat echter meer op stapel. Studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het huidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten 'compacte objecten', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren. Bij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de deelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van de stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de eerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een beknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren, waarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een half uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten zullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op een apart vel. Het niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN ZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM! Tijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed gaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht Westerbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen het heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van een snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar, in de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren. Prof. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en trachten te verklaren. Het slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de technische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn namelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10 miljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30 Watt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal er niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse technologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren. Deelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en f 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het verschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening 44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de ABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te worden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving wordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na 31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren. Het symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I, Universiteit Utrecht. Voor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij Henrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht. Tel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl. ******* DAGPROGRAMMA ************************************** 9:30 ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE 10:00 Opening Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht) 10:10 Dubbelster evolutie Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers 10:25 Radiopulsars Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht) 11:00 Pulsars in dubbelster systemen Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht) 11:50 Massa & straal van neutronensterren Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam) 12:25 Theorie van accretieschijven Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht) 13:00 LUNCH 14:00 Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit? Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam) 14:35 Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren en zwarte gaten Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam) 15:10 THEE & KOFFIE 15:30 Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden) 16:05 afsluiting 16:25 BORREL -- Gert-Jan van Lochem \\ "What is it?" Fysische informatica \\ "Something blue" Universiteit Utrecht \\ "Shapes, I need shapes!" 030-532803 \\ - HHGG -
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From: jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Nntp-Posting-Host: dst-s4-21 Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA Lines: 27 In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: >> >>In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing >>(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has >>no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the >>treatments. >> > >Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are "most of these countries?" I don't believe you. > > When were you in Britain?, my information is different. From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. From Page 10, .. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment.
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From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott) Subject: XDM/xsession woes Keywords: xdm, xterm Lines: 22 Reply-To: dnh@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd. X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-3 I've just managed to get xdm running from an NCR 3000 (an SVR4 486 box running XFree86 1.2) to my NCD XDisplay. It's pretty much working, but I'm encountering a weird error. I'm attempting to start an xterm from my .xsession file, but nothing happens. Redirecting stderr to a file using 'exec 2>$HOME/.xerrors' in .xsession reveals the error message: "xterm: Error 14, errno 1: Not owner" Now, if I start xterm from the window manager, or from the command line, it works fine. And starting other clients, like the window manager (mwm), and a clock, from my .xsession also works. Anyone encountered this? Suggestions? aTdHvAaNnKcSe -- Des Herriott, / As a wise man once said, Micro Focus, Newbury. / +44 (0635) 565354 / "It takes a lot of brains to be smart, dnh@mfltd.co.uk / but it takes some neck to be a giraffe."
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From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Summary: backcountry Distribution: na Lines: 16 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary @ University of Colorado, Boulder): >I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders >each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only >2.1% of the murders were killings by "wacko"s, you would be >wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated >assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and >preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the >accidents you are worried about. These stats are invalid; we're talking BACKCOUNTRY. These stats for rapes/assaults/deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly; the great majority represent urban incidents. You should have pointed this out. -Rob
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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: FAQs Article-I.D.: mojo.1pst9uINN7tj Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <10505.2BBCB8C3@nss.org>, freed@nss.org (Bev Freed) writes: >I was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly >. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling. Or just stick 'em on sci.space.news every 28-30 days? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --
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From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >In article <1993Apr5.202800.27705@wam.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes: >|> In article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA >|> (Ilyess Bdira) writes: >|> > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many >|> > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more >|> > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? >|> G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the >|> Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab >|> absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase >|> from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the >|> partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of >|> defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. >|> >|> *** >|> > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of >|> > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? >|> First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the >|> idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who >|> claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West >|> bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >This is very funny. >Anyway, suppose that in fact israel didnot ATTACK jordan till jordan attacked >israel. Now, how do you explain the attack on Syria in 1967, Syria didnot >enter the war with israel till the 4th day . Syria had been bombing Israeli settlements from the Golan and sending terrorist squads into Israel for years. Do you need me to provide specifics? I can. Why don't you give it up, Hasan? I'm really starting to get tired of your empty lies. You can defend your position and ideology with documented facts and arguments rather than the crap you regularly post. Take an example from someone like Brendan McKay, with whom I don't agree, but who uses logic and documentation to argue his position. Why must you insist on constantly spouting baseless lies? You may piss some people off, but that's about it. You won't prove anything or add anything worthy to a discussion. Your arguments just prove what a poor debater you are and how weak your case really is. All my love, Ed.
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From: edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tom NGUYEN) Subject: How to resolve different font formats ...? Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi All! I tried to run SoftPC, a PC emulation software program, installed on a Silicon Graphics workstation from a Human Design System (HDS) X terminal, and everything went fine, except the fonts could NOT be converted from one type of format to the other - HDS uses different font format from SGI worksation. So, I have the following questions: 1. How do you resolve different font formats from different machines? 2. Is there a program to convert one type of font format to another? If you have similar problems/experiences and have found a solution, please let me know. Your help will be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for your help and information. Tom Nguen edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
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From: schwabam@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL SCHWABAUER) Subject: Tseng Labs Video Card Problem Lines: 7 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 7 I have a Tseng labs video card that gives me problems when I do anything in super VGA mode. CHECKIT v3.0 reports a Video Page Frame Address Error at Page Frame #7. What does this mean and how (if I can) could this be fixed? The card Says ET4000Ax on it. Thanks
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: HLV for Fred (was Re: Prefab Space Station?) Article-I.D.: zoo.C51875.67p Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 28 In article <C5133A.Gzx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >>>Titan IV launches ain't cheap >>Granted. But that's because titan IV's are bought by the governemnt. Titan >>III is actually the cheapest way to put a pound in space of all US expendable >>launchers. > >In that case it's rather ironic that they are doing so poorly on the commercial >market. Is there a single Titan III on order? The problem with Commercial Titan is that MM has made little or no attempt to market it. They're basically happy with their government business and don't want to have to learn how to sell commercially. A secondary problem is that it is a bit big. They'd need to go after multi-satellite launches, a la Ariane, and that complicates the marketing task quite significantly. They also had some problems with launch facilities at just the wrong time to get them started properly. If memory serves, the pad used for the Mars Observer launch had just come out of heavy refurbishment work that had prevented launches from it for a year or so. There have been a few CT launches. Mars Observer was one of them. So was that stranded Intelsat, and at least one of its brothers that reached orbit properly. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 25 golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >The Ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly. Press conference at 1PM ... >The Rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with >"weight" and a proven record...and whom they know Messier respects. Interestingly, Keenan's co-coach (or is it his "Number One"?) on Team Canada at the World Championships is Roger Neilsen. It'd be interesting if the Rangers call in the balance of Neilsen's contract to be Keenan's assistant ... Roger did do a very good job with the mediocre players, just as he handled the Cinderella Canucks of 10 years ago ... but his mistake was playing the Rangers like those Canucks last May ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Detroit Tigers Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu Keywords: Detroit is the top offensive team in the league In article <1qt1f3$o7o@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: } The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With } Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats } will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with } Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching! } Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep } the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out } Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back. nice woofing (or should i say meowing?). and yes, the Tiggers are a fun, exciting team that i would pay to see. but last year, they went 75-87. this year, their offense is essentially the same, and their pitching is, at best, essentially the same. so why do you think they will suddenly improve to win the 92 or so games which will be required to win the A.L. East? what has changed that i don't see? remember, a 20-4 win is worth as much in the standings as a 3-2 win... -*- charles
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: >|> ... a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer ... > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? If I'm not mistaken, this is the usual sort of precaution against loss of communications. That timer is counting down continuously; if it ever hits zero, that means Galileo hasn't heard from Earth in a suspiciously long time and it may be Galileo's fault... so it's time to go into a fallback mode that minimizes chances of spacecraft damage and maximizes chances of restoring contact. I don't know exactly what-all Galileo does in such a situation, but a common example is to switch receivers, on the theory that maybe the one you're listening with has died. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: "Altan J. Stalker" <astalker@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: SE/30 Hard Drive Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Indiana University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1161 Lines: 33 I have an SE/30 with a 80 meg HD which dates back to April 1989. When I originally purchased it, I experienced the failure to boot problem. This was fixed soon after by a ROM upgrade on the hard drive. Lately a similar problem has been occuring. When the computer is powered on the HD light flashes a few times and then I am given the "no disk to boot from" icon. However, upon turing the computer off and on again the drive ALWAYS boots up just fine. Furthermore, if instead of turning the power on and off I press the reboot button the same problem occurs. But, as I said, turning the power off and on always works. This problem is different from the 1989 boot problem in that before it often required several power off and ons to get it to boot. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem is or how it can be fixed? I'm wondering if it's getting old and requires more time to "come up to speed" now. Is there a PRAM or SCSI setting that allows me to tell the computer to wait a little longer before trying to access the HD? Thanks! Altan J. Stalker astalker@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Indiana University Computer Science Dept.
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14 In article <RN652B5w165w@tweekco.uucp>, alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) wrote: > Judging from postings I've read all over Usenet and on non-Usenet > BBs conferences, Barney is DEFINITELY an endangered species. Especially > if he runs into me in a dark alley. Please, please don't make Barney to a modern martyr/saviour mythical figure. I detest this being, and if humans will create a religion in his name, then life will be unbearable :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Lines: 60 In article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: > >In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > >> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower > >> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. > > > > Yes. > > > >> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine > >> legality. > > > > Why not? > > > Where do they get these people?! What, pray tell, does this mean? Just who exactly is *they*? You mean "they" as in people who do not blindly swallow every piece of propoganda they are given? Or "they" as in NOKD (not our kind, dear). Or "they" as in an appeal to some audience that is supposed to implicitly know and understand? > I really don't want to waste time in > here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we > can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am not eager to make a fool of myself. > My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just > because it will be safer and cheaper. From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from anything other than the pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to hear about it. The fact is that it wasn't. > A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all > funny farm patients, AIDS "victims", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - > this would surely make my taxes decrease. Only the first one make any sense. There is nothing to "legalize" about all the rest. Just in case you haven't made the connection (which I expect you haven't) the connecting theme in this thread is a persons autonomy over their life and body. Vice statutes serve only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however, take autonomy over their lives, regardless of what the government says. And why, pray tell, is AIDS "victim" in snear quotes? Are you of the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS plauge? Or do they just deserve it? -- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) "I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..." -- Hobbes to Calvin USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Consumer/Automotive Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:04:03 GMT Lines: 508 Archive-name: rec-autos/part5 [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions more geared to the automotive enthusiast, and so is not crossposted to misc.consumers. -- rpw] [changes as of 14 April 1993: revised brake fluid section, as non-silicone DOT-5 fluids are now apparently available -- rpw] Commonly Asked Automotive Questions Tire Questions: Q: What do the funny numbers on the sides of my tires mean? A: Typically, you will see something like 195/60HR14. the 195 is the overall width of the tire in millimeters, the tread is usually narrower. The 60 is the `aspect ratio'; it indicates the height of the sidewall of the tire relative to the overall width. Our example tire has a sidewall height of 0.60 * 195 ~= 117 mm. The 14 is the wheel diameter in inches; there are also some special tires called `TRX' tires which have three digit metric wheel diameter designations, like 390, which is in millimeters. The R means Radial, and the H is a speed rating indicating the highest speed at which the tire, when properly inflated and carrying an appropriate load, may safely operate. Common speed ratings are S (112MPH), T (118MPH), H (130MPH), and V (up to 150MPH.) Recent changes to the method for specifying tire sizes move the speed rating to a different part of the designation; you may therefore find designations like 195/60R14 85H; the 85 indicates the per-tire load associated with the speed rating -- exceeding this load in continuous operation at the rated speed is dangerous practice. What follows is a table showing a number of `load indices' and corresponding maximum per-tire loads: Load Index 50 51 88 89 112 113 145 149 157 Max Load (Kg) 190 195 560 580 1120 1150 2900 3250 4125 Note that the usual mass vs. weight confusion occurs in this table. In some cases, the letters P or LT may be found in front of a tire size; the LT designation indicates Light Truck, and the P designation indicates Passenger car. If no letter is given, then the application of the tire is Passenger car usage. As far as I know, these letters only appear in the US market. The LT designation is prinicipally of interest to owners of light trucks and other utility vehicles. For the owner of a passenger vehicle, there is no meaningful difference between a tire with a P designation and one with no designation at all. If the aspect ratio is omitted, it is probably 80, but may be 78. Tires with an MS (mud/snow) designation may have their speed rating reduced by 20 km/h (about 12mph.) There is an additional set of ratings on tires for temperature, traction, and treadwear. Temperature and Traction are graded A, B, and C (with A the best and C the worst); treadwear is a numeric rating. These values are of limited value, as they are assigned somewhat arbitrarily by tire manufacturers and are thus not useful in comparing different brands of tires. Q: My car has tires with a funny size designation: 185/65HR390; can i put normal tires on the car? A: Your tires are called TRX tires; they were devised by Michelin. Because of a somewhat different bead design, they are incompatible with normal tires; Michelin used a different diameter wheel for them so that they could not be mounted on the wrong type wheel (and so that more conventional tires could not be mounted on TRX type wheels.) You will need to aquire different wheels to put a normal tire on your car; it is barely possible to fit normal tires on TRX wheels, and horribly dangerous to do so (the tires may simply peel off the rims in a corner, or possibly blow out at high speed.) TRX type tires are becoming hard to find; in addition to Michelin, Avon makes suitable tires. Goodyear has apparently discontinued their line of TRX tires. Q: Can I rotate radials from side to side, or rotate them only on one side of my car? A: Car and tire manufacturers have differing views on this subject; many say that swapping radials between the left and right hand sides of a car is now ok (this group includes Michelin and Goodyear); others (for example, Pirelli and Nokia) will void warranties if such swapping is done. The best advice is to read your tire manual carefully before rotating your tires, and stick to the manufacturer's recommendations. Q: How many snow tires should I buy, and if I buy 2, which end of the car should I put them on? A: In short, 4, and both ends. To explain, many drivers in areas that don't get excessive snow or who don't drive agressively (or at all) in snow conditions get away with only two snows on the drive wheels, but there are circumstances where this can be dangerous practice. With a rear wheel drive car, you can choose between being able to start the car going (a function of the rear axle) or stopping and turning the car (a function of the front axle.) In a front wheel drive car, you start, stop, and turn with the front end. The primary risk of putting the snow tires on the front only is that if you have to put on the brakes while going downhill, you run a serious risk of going downhill backwards. Radar Detectors and Speed Limits: Q: Why aren't there any comments on Radar Detectors and Speed Limits in this Q&A posting? A: Because questions about detectors and speed limits crossposted between misc.consumers and rec.autos.* always start long, tedious, and pointless flame wars. If you want to talk about either of these topics, please subscribe to rec.autos or alt.flame and keep it there. Safety Equipment: Q: Do airbags really work? A: Preliminary statistics suggest the following: Airbags work much better than no belts; good 3 point belts alone work much better than Airbags alone, and AirBags + 3 point belts work slightly better than 3 point belts alone. The con to airbags is that some designs tend to burn the driver's hands when venting the byproducts of the explosion that occurs inside the bag, and that some designs (but not all) may knock the driver's hands from the wheel, making retention of control of the vehicle after the bag deflates more difficult. Brake Questions: Q: Do I always need to get the rotors on my disk brakes turned? Midas always wants to do this. A: No. There are specific conditions that mandate turning or replacing rotors; some shops try and make a little extra money by replacing rotors more often than is strictly necessary. if the rotors are not warped warped, and only lightly grooved, then there is no need to replace or to turn them. Note also that some rotors (the rotors on many Hondas are a good example) are so narrow to begin with that it is not practical to turn them; they must be replaced when they become too thin, warped, or badly grooved. Q: They tell me I should downshift when braking to slow my car down. Is this really a good idea? A: It used to be a very good idea, back in the days of mediocre, fade prone drum brakes. In modern disc brake equipped cars, use of downshifting to slow the car is not really necessary, except in cases of long, steep downhill runs. Otherwise, modern disc brakes are more than adequate to stop a passenger car in all circumstances, and they are much cheaper to repair than clutch linings. On the other hand, many standard driver's license tests in the USA still specify that the driver being tested downshift under braking; I suggest that before taking a US driver's test, you either 1) learn to do this smoothly (which takes some time and practice) or 2) borrow a car with an automatic to take the test. Q: How often should I replace my brake fluid? A: Probably more often than you do. Traditional brake fluids tend to absorb water; this water can corrode internal parts of the brake system and also lower the boiling point of the fluid. DOT-3 type are older fluids; DOT-4 and DOT-5 are newer specifications. The principal differences are in wet and dry boiling points; the dry boiling point is important in fresh brake fluid, but the wet boiling point is important in older brake fluid. DOT-3 fluids have the lowest wet and dry boiling point _requirements_; DOT-4 fluids have better boiling point requirements; and DOT-5 fluids have the best boiling point requirements (but DOT-5 fluids are not clearly superior; see the next Q&A for more details.) While the requirements imply that DOT-4 fluids are better than DOT-3 fluids, there may be specific cases where a DOT-3 fluid is preferable, but these are mostly competition applications. Otherwise, DOT-4 type fluids offer _much_ improved brake pedal feel. Replacement once a year is recommended for DOT-4 fluids, although agressive drivers may profit by changing out fluid more frequently, or at least bleeding a modest amount of fluid out of the brake calipers fairly regularly. Q: What about DOT-5 brake fluids? A: This breaks down in to two parts. The DOT-5 specification looks excellent for performance, but the first DOT-5 fluids were Silicone based. Silicone fluids are a tricky proposition. Unlike DOT-3 and DOT-4 fluids, they do not absorb water at all. While this may sound like a feature, the problem is that any water present pools up in such systems, interfering with braking performance and corroding any metals at the spot where the pooling is occuring. The water will tend to migrate downwards in the braking system to the brake calipers, where most of the corrosion occurs. Because of this phenomenon, it is essential when converting to Silicone to empty the entire brake system and flush it throughly beforehand; some even recommend replacing all rubber parts in the brake system when converting to Silicone fluids. Two other issues that come up with silicone fluids: 1) they are difficult to pour cleanly (that is, without air bubbles), which interferes with getting a good brake pedal feel, and 2) while they generally have much higher boiling points than DOT-4 fluids, they do have high temperature failure modes which are indistinguishable in effect from boiling DOT-4 fluids. SIlicone fluids may make sense in some street car applications, but they are certainly not recommended for high performance driving applications, and the economics are questionable for street use. I have recently become aware of new fluids that meet the DOT-5 standard that do not contain Silicones; these fluids appear to be reasonably compatible with the older DOT-3 and DOT-4 fluids, but I have little information at this time. Q: ABS is available on some of the cars I'm looking at, but it costs more. Is it worth it? A: This does not have a cut and dried answer; therefore, this answer will be quite long in order to cover the pros and cons. The short answer is that ABS costs more, both initially, and to maintain, will generally work better for the `average driver' (that is to say, a driver who does not have extensive experience in high performance driving techniques), and may require the `unlearning' of some obsolete braking techniques like pump braking which should be unlearned in any case. Now for the long answer. ABS works by monitering the wheels of the car, looking for signs of locked brakes. It may or may not be able be able to distinguish between the different wheels (there are several systems on the market.) It cannot detect impending lockup (which is what you would really want in an ideal world), but only the existence of lockup. The sensors used vary; some of the less well designed sensors are sensitive to tire size, and to brake pad material, and may cease to function properly if the owner deviates from original equipment or OE-equivalent components. When the sensors detect lockup, the ABS system responds by unlocking the brakes (either individually, or all at once, depending on the system.) If the driver keeps their foot firmly planted, the ABS will end up cycling between the locked and unlocked states (if a sensor existed that could detect _impending lockup_, then we could sit right at that point, which is where maximum braking effect is achieved.) This pulsing can often be felt in the brake pedal, as the system cycles. The percentage of the time that the brakes are truly engaged is called the `duty cycle'; typically in an ABS system this is about 40% On dry pavement, a trained driver can beat this duty cycle quite reliably using a technique called threshold braking; on wet pavement, braking is so chancy that ABS will outperform threshold braking nearly every time. Unfortunately, on mud and on snow, often maximum braking effect can be acheived with the brakes locked; only Audi, of the manufacturers producing ABS-equipped cars, has seen fit to provide a disable switch for the ABS system for this eventuality. A particularly important feature of ABS is that it preserves steering control. This is the case simply because, if you are braking near the limit and turn the wheel, the ABS will release the brakes if it sees steering-triggered lockup, and back off on the percentage of the time that the brakes are applied. Braking distances will lengthen accordingly. An important caution: ABS cannot exceed the maximum theoretical braking force in any given situation; if you start sliding on glare ice, don't expect an ABS system to help you out very much. The coefficient of friction is not changed by the presence of an ABS system in your car. As far as maintenence goes, in addition to the potential restrictions I've listed above, you have to worry about the following: 1) parts costs are much higher; the OE master cylinder for my obscure european sedan lists for $185, but the OE master cylinder for the ABS-equipped version of the same car lists for over $1000. Most manufacturers explicitly forbid use of DOT-5 (silicone) brake fluids in ABS-equipped vehicles. Because of the potential cost of replacement of corroded brake system components, regular (I suggest annual) replacement of brake fluid becomes very important. Q: What about this threshold braking business? A: [normally, I'd not put this in the consumers Q&A, but recent publicity about a number of accidents involving police drivers in ABS-equipped Chevy Caprices suggests that this section is needed here -- rpw] Threshold braking is a technique practiced by all serious high performance drivers; if made a habit, it replaces the `stab the pedal and lock 'em up' panic habit entirely, and is much to be prefered. Basically, the premise is that tires generate maximum braking force when they have just started to slide, but just before the wheels lock up entirely. Drivers who threshold brake learn to feel what this `threshold' feels like, and learn to search for it and hit it on the application of the brake pedal. In many cars, you can feel that you are near the threshold when the pedal starts to firm up as you depress it. In any case, if you can't hear the tires whine just a bit, you're not very near the threshold. In a car with ABS, often there is a twinge in the pedal just before the system starts cycling; if the driver backs off on the pedal just a tad when the twinge is felt, then they are very close to the threshold and they'll probably achieve better stopping distances than if they just punched it and let the ABS take over. Recently, there has been a rash of publicity over a number of accidents, and one death, involving police cars equipped with ABS systems. The police departments in question quickly blamed the new ABS systems, but according to Autoweek magazine, it now seems clear that the problem was a lack of training; none of the involved officers had any recent performance driving training. There is reason to believe that the drivers reacted to the pulsing brake pedal by `pump braking', an old and discredited technique of stabbing and releasing the brake pedal, the goal being to try and get brakes back with a failing hydraulic system. If you think about it for a minute, you'll realize that pump braking must cut the effective operation of a working brake system by at least 1/2, so if you cut the 40% duty cycle of an ABS system by that much, you are giving up most of your brakes for the wrong reason. Threshold braking has the advantage in that it is an effective and useful technique regardless of whether your car has ABS; if you do fear a failed hydraulic system, then one or two stabs at the pedal will be sufficient. Gas Questions: Q: Does High Octane gasoline help? A: Maybe, maybe not. Some cars have knock sensors, and can adjust the engine timing or turbocharger boost to suit the gasoline being used. On most cars, however, you should use the cheapest gas that makes your car run well. Check your owner's manual for details on what your car needs. Q: My car was made for leaded gasoline. Will unleaded gas hurt it? A: It is possible that unleaded gas may *slightly* increase valve wear, although the Amoco Oil company argues otherwise. The actual increase in valve wear will be almost unnoticeable, however, as modern leaded gasolines actually contain very little lead. You should, however, check your owner's manual; many cars from the early 1970s do not actually require leaded gasoline. Q: Do fuel treatments help? What kind should I use? A: Some do and some don't. During the winter, it is a good idea to use dry gas; however, some may be harmful to fuel injection systems. Never use an additive containing Methanol (sometimes called Methyl Alcohol); such additives may damage fuel systems in cars with carbs and almost certainly will damage cars with fuel injection. Manufacturer's opinions vary on additives containing Ethanol (sometimes called Ethyl Alcohol); if your car has fuel injection, check the owner's manual on your car before using these. Most manufacturers consider 10% Ethanol acceptable in gasoline. Additives with Isopropyl Alcohol (Isopropanol), and Petroleum Distillates are fine in fuel injected cars. An occasional bottle of fuel injector cleaner is helpful in cars with fuel injectors, although many premium gasolines contain detergents that do the same job. Some off brands of fuel injector cleaners contain Ethanol or Methanol; always check the ingredients before putting anything in your gas tank. There are a small number of particularly good additives; these are noticeably more expensive that the run-of-the-mill ones, but work much, much better. Among these are Chevron Techron, Redline SL-1, Wurth `Lubrimoly Ventil Sauber', and BG 44K. A bottle of one of these, once every six months, is highly recommended. Q: What about detergent gasolines? A: The quality of detergent packages in gasolines varies somewhat; BMW has instituted a testing program, and gasoline brands which pass this test may advertise that fact. Stickers indicating passage of the test are now beginning to appear on fuel pumps at gas stations. If such gasolines are used, then fuel injector cleaners are probably optional. Beforewarned that while use of BMW approved gasolines will keep a clean engine clean, they may not clean a motor with bad valve deposits. Lubrication Questions: Q: What do the numbers and letters in a motor oil designation mean? A: There are several different items encoded. There is a two-letter code indicating the type of detergent package that the manufacturer uses in the oil; this looks like SE,SF,CD or such. The S codes are for gasoline engine applications; the C codes are for diesel engine applications. The second letter is assigned in sequence as new levels of protection are developed; thus SF is considered better than SE, SE is considered better than SD, and so forth. The more noticeable designation is the oil weight. This is either a single number (e.g., 30 weight) or a pair of numbers separated by the letter W (e.g., 10W30.) The latter type is much more commonly used these days, and are the only type that most automobile manufacturers specify in operators manuals. The first number in the designation (10W) is the apparent viscosity of the oil when it is cold; the W stands for `winter'. The second number (30) is the viscosity of the oil when hot. There is a trick here; the oil doesn't actually get thicker (turn from 10 weight to 30 weight) as it gets hotter. What is actually happening is that when the oil is cold, it has the viscosity of a cold 10 weight oil. as it gets hotter, it doesn't get thin as fast as a 10W oil would; by the time it is up to temperature, it has the viscosity of a hot 30 weight oil. Note that these numbers actually specify ranges of viscosities; not all 10W oils have exactly the same viscosity when cold, and not all 30 weight oils have the same viscosity when hot. Note also that the novel behaviour of multi-grade oils is caused by additives, and it has been reported that with the sole exception of Castrol GTX, 10W40 oils do not retain their multi-grade characteristics well over time. 10W30, 15W40, and 20W50 oils work very well, though. Q: Are `quick lube' places any good? A: Some do adequate work, but there are quite a few incompetent ones out there. Let the buyer beware, watch them while they work, make sure that they don't overtorque the oil drain plug, and keep your hand on your wallet at all times. Q: Are oil additives like Slick-50 or Tufoil any good? A: Slick-50 and Tufoil are PTFE-based additives. Many of these have come onto the market recently; they are different from the moly-based additives that have been around since the early 50's. PTFE is the chemical name for Teflon(TM), a trademark owned by DuPont. In general, auto manufacturers do not recommend use of these products. Most USENET responses to questions on these additives are favorable (slight increase of MPG after application, smoother revving) but long term results (whether PTFE additives are effective after 5K miles) are debatable. Some manufacturers (such as Saab) claim that either the product or the engine flush that preceeds application causes deterioration of the oil seals and eventual leakage. Some BMW owners have reported death of valve seals shortly after the addition of Slick 50 to their cars. This writer has been cautioned by a Slick-50 Dealer (!) that Slick-50 should _not_ be used in Japanese motors, as it may clog the oil return passages in the engine. Otherwise, there are no known reports of damage caused by PTFE additives. On the other hand, there are satified Slick 50 customers in the world. Q: Do synthetic oils really work? A: Yes, but. More specifically, most auto manufactuers accept synthetics, but disagree with the extremely long oil change intervals claimed by oil manufacturers. Auto manufacturers recommend that you continue to change oil at the intervals recommended in the owners manual for your car. Even if you decide to try the longer intervals, at least change the oil filter at regular intervals, as synthetics get just as dirty as conventional oils. Synthetic gear lubricants for manual transmissions are another matter entirely; Amsoil, Redline, and AGIP are very highly regarded and very effective. Mobil 1 synthetic gear lube gets mixed reviews, however. Q: Manufacturers are specifying longer and longer oil change intervals. How often should I change my oil? A: It depends on how you drive. If your car always (or nearly always) gets warmed up, and you don't drive it very hard and keep the revs down, the manufacturer's recommendation is probably fine. If, however, you drive it hard, drive it at high revs, or alternatively, if you only drive it to and from the supermarket so that it doesn't get up to temperature, then you may wish to change oil much more often, perhaps at 3000 mile intervals (given that most manufacturers are now specifying 7500 mile intervals.) If you don't drive your car much at all (say 7500 miles a year), then you probably want to change oil every six months anyway. If you are storing a car during the winter, then change oil before storing it and change oil when you bring it out of storage. Misc. Questions: Q: My car has a timing belt. I hear that bad things happen when they break. What's the story? A: It depends on the internal design of the motor. Early Ford Escorts, for example, will suffer severe valve damage if the belt breaks, but the newer cars will just require a tow and installation of a new belt. Some Honda motors will not be damaged, but others will be. If no replacement interval is specified for your car, then change the belt at least every 60,000 miles; some cars may require more frequent replacement. Ask your dealer or independent mechanic. Also, ask if there are any related repairs that should take place at the same time (for example, the same Ford Escorts that suffer valve damage also have a timing belt driven water pump, which has been known to seize, destroying the timing belt, and which then causes major valve damage as a side effect. Replacing the timing belt while ignoring the water pump can be a costly mistake.) Q: Why would anyone be stupid enough to design a motor so that it self destructs when the timing belt breaks? A: For performance reasons. Compromising piston design so that the valves and pistons will not collide requires that the compression ratio of the engine be reduced significantly; this is why you are more likely to avoid valve damage in economy cars than in performance oriented vehicles. Q: What causes Unintended Acceleration? A: The final report of the National Highway, Transportation, and Safety Administration concluded that unintended acceleration could not be caused by any mechanical failure of the vehicle in question and at the same time be consistent with the physical evidence. The NHTSA report goes on to conclude that `pedal misapplication' by the vehicle operator is probably the cause. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
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From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Subject: Amniocentesis, et. al. Organization: Suite Software Lines: 7 Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com Is there some difference between the purposes behind amniocentesis and chorionic villi sampling? They sound similar to me, but are intended to detect different things? Thanks. 
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From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: ely.cl.cam.ac.uk Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. If you've got a secure device, you don't need public keys. If the secret key which all chips share is SK, you can just use KP = E{(myname, yourname, date) ; SK}. Maybe that's why Jim Bidzos was reported as being cheesed off. Ross
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From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? In-Reply-To: gene@theporch.raider.net's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 19:29:40 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 32 In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. And with $1B on offer, the problem of "keeping them alive" is highly likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! "Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents." "Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've got a tank! Man the guns!" One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that sort of environment..... Greg. (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk proposition.) -- Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.)
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From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr20.130933.26571@lut.ac.uk> A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) writes: >In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you >need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... It's there..... -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company Lines: 21 Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ope209.iao.ford.com In article <1993Apr16.133856.21829@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: : really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting : (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come : out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for : all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. : Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. : Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely : adopted. Shameless plug -- the Xaw3d widgets make Athena a much nicer alternative than the stock MIT Athena code. ...Mike -- Michael J. O'Connor | Internet: mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com Ford Motor Company, OPEO | UUCP: ...!fmsrl7!opeo!mjo 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001 | Phone: +1 (313) 248-1260 Dearborn, MI 48121 | Fax: +1 (313) 323-6277
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From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) Subject: correction re Audio relay followup Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 12 Gremilins have attacked my keyboard and the correction to my followup on audio relays got fouled up. Varying lamp resistance, should read, "Varying lamp voltage" -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) ================================================================================
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From: pp29616@dcl-nextsc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Park) Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars) Article-I.D.: news.C51Fs3.37C Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr5.212645.15988@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) writes: > > It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out- > accelerate an Integra. > > But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have > a moonroof with a sliding sunshade? No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power > sliding roofs that are opaque. A moonroof that can be opened to the air, > closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in. > > You've just got to know what's important :^). > > -Doug > '93 Integra GS hahaha ... my sentiments exactly. --
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From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Article-I.D.: fringe.oNV82B1w165w Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 66 ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: > My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or > something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the > approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, > then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it > didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my > house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to > the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to > the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to > harm. [interesting dog collision story deleted] > What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have > prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not > necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was > riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if > it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the > thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a > blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are > long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? > > I eagerly await comment. My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to. Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they claim they can tell that "There's noone on the road for quite a ways." This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped. Same driver. Same car. About two months apart. ObMoto: The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in my pickup. > Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride > KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to > DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to > ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . > > > * SLMR 2.1a * "He's hurt." "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right." > > ---- > +===============================================================+ > |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| > |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| > +===============================================================+ There's nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet, followed by the words "Hey- you're not my Daddy!" (Sorry- I had to do it just once) -- Dean Woodward | "You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..." '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >Huh? > >- Roid On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker? Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Was Re: Top Ten Tricks...) Article-I.D.: optilink.15232 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr4.005634.24695@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.002339.22888@rigel.econ.uga.edu> depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes: > >In article <1993Apr2.154232.29527@Princeton.EDU> glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes: # # "labor" is a tough one. Labor is defined, economically, as the efforts, # # both mental and physical, of humans. Capital is defined as intermediate # # goods used to create other goods and services. Now, if a slave is considered # # an intermediate good, then the slave has now been dehumanized and is # # simply a machine. Not good for the anti-slave (i.e. pro-human rights) # # argument. So, slaves are humans, and they produce labor. # # Sorry. The question of defining slave "labor" is no "tough(er)" than # defining the "labor" of a horse, an ox, or any other livestock. Both # legally and economically in a slave-economy, "slaves are (NOT) humans," # they are livestock. Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as not humans? They were "outside our society" and similar phrases that basically meant that they didn't have to recognized as having the same rights as a free person, but they were never considered "not human" to my knowledge. # Like a horse that pulls a plow, a slave's "labor" is the return on the # capital required to purchase and feed him. The parallel is so obvious # I'm not sure how you missed it. After all, its was the "liberty" to # use their "property" as they saw fit that motivated Southern planters # to emphasize the importance of "states' rights." If that were the case, the slave states would not have passed so many laws that restricted the freedom of slave owners to do as they wished with their property. Examples: laws prohibiting manumission without legislative grant; laws prohibiting teaching slaves to read & write. # #Craig. # Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
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From: Patrick Walker <F1HH@UNB.CA> Subject: Red Wings Goespel... Lines: 19 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Detroit's going to beat Toronto in 6 or LESS!!! Granted, Gilmour should get the Hart Trophy, NOT Lemieux... Just Look at what Gilmour did for Toronto. When you think of Toronto, who comes to mind, Gilmour, Andreychuk, Potvin...ah...did I mentio n Gilmour? Back to Detroit... There really isn't a team that could stand up to them if all the players on the team play to their potential, no one could stop them. Yzerman, Fedorov, Coffey, Lindstrom... there's more firepower there than Pittsburgh... and they don't tri p over their own skates! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- /------------/ Detroit over Toronto in 5 Patrick Walker / /--\------/ Detroit over Chicago in 6 University of New Bruns. ! ! !---/ Detroit over Vancouver in 6 Canada \ \__/ / Detroit over Nords in 6 "Disco Still Sucks!" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: oreilly@olivia.la.asu.edu (Tom O'Reilly) Subject: Russian Phobos Mission Organization: Mars Observer TES Project, ASU, Tempe AZ Distribution: sci.space Lines: 11 Yes, the Phobos mission did return some useful data including images of Phobos itself. The best I've seen had a surface resolution of about 40 meters. By the way, the new book entitled "Mars" (Kieffer et al, 1992, University of Arizona Press) has a great chapter on spacecraft exploration of the planet. The chapter is co-authored by V.I. Moroz of the Space Research Institute in Moscow, and includes details never before published in the West. Don't know of any ftp sites with images though. Tom O'Reilly Department of Geology Arizona State University
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From: staffan@alsys.se (Staffan K-E Ungsgard) Subject: Genius Mouse driver Summary: Genius mouse driver wanted Keywords: mouse, genius Organization: Alsys AB (Telesoft Norden AB) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 15 Hello fellow netlanders. I have a Genius Mouse model GM-6, but no driver for it. It's a 3 button mouse. If anyone that;s got one of theese could mail me a driver (config.sys or autoexec.bat) I would be very happy. -- Staffan Ungsgard : Internet: Telesoft Norden AB : Staffan.Ungsgard@nynashamn.telesoft.se Utsiktsvagen 10, : Phone: +46-8 52069014 Nynashamn, Sweden : Fax: +46-8 52020965
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From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: Re: The Evidence Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article <15177@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <113567@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: >> In article <cjkC4MCwp.8ox@netcom.com> cjk@netcom.com writes: ># #If homosexuals did keep themselves in the privacy of their own home, this ># #wouldn't be a problem. However, there are various 'cliques' (sp?) that ># #don't. They want to present the argument that it is just as moral and ># #right as heterosexuality. ># ># You know, I'm offended by newspapers publicly announcing weddings. ># Heterosexuals should keep their nutpials out of the public eyes. They ># should be banned from wearing wedding rings. From having legal recognition ># of marriage. ># ># Anything that's public and sexual don't mix. > >The difference, of course, is that we are right, and you are wrong. >If you are a minority that wants freedom, it helps to not be >obnoxious about it. It does not surprise me that as groups like TRANSLATION- you minorities stay in predesignated areas. We the majority are 'right', anything you do is 'wrong', since might makes right, and the majority always rules. >Queer Nation become increasingly belligerent in their public >demonstrations, that violence against homosexuals rises. Anything >that reminds the crazies who like to beat up homosexuals of their >presence is going to aggravate things. Oh- crime prevention at its best. Well let's extrapolate this, maybe if you didn't display all of your private property, then those nasty theifs wouldn't go after it. And don't carry any money, that way those muggers won't bother you. > >And you still don't realize that either way it is, says that homosexuals >are very dangerous to children. > ># ># So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? > >The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. The sexual >predatory component that glorifies the pursuit of "candy-ass" and >"hairless cocks" in the words of Le JoJo, the typical homosexual. Oh I did not know that Le JoJo is a typical homosexual. Stop making statements about something you know nothing about, that is gay people. You make your sweeping generalizations with no grounding in reality. What I hope is not true- That you are a typical heterosexual. Anyone want to comment on this? And if you are typical then I can start extrapolating a lot of interesting conjectures about heterosexuals. >--
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Passenger helmet sizing Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >> >> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for >>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church >>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just >>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I >>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely >>passenger? > >If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a >crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your >primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big >spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a >small one). While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL. The difference was the amount of inside padding. My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner from a sheet of .5" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside surface). The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with the liner out. Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: Indiana University Lines: 7 In article <Apr.21.03.25.58.1993.1337@geneva.rutgers.edu> reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes: >I am beginning an e-mail discussion group about cell churches. If you are Please, define cell church. I missed it somewhere in the past when this was brought up before. Joe Fisher
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Distribution: usa Lines: 24 In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers." (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > IMHO... Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion), is a terrible analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't any Dick Irvin. As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day. Gerald
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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) Subject: WinWord -- Spelling Dictionaries for non-US English ? Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA Lines: 17 Word for Windows lets me designate text as being in a language other than US English. (Alt-F L, Format | Language, as I recall.) So I mark it for English (UK), but it still accepts "rumor" and squawks at "rumour". As far as I can see, Microsoft didn't include the English (UK) dictionary on my disks. (I don't mean to imply that I was singled out; I assume that nobody in the U.S got them.) I dialed the Microsoft BBS, but nothing in the Word for Windows section looked helpful. Can anyone tell me where or how to obtain the UK spelling dictionary for Winword 2.0? The file name would be SPELL_UK.LEX or something similar. Email please; I'll post a summary. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems brown@Ncoast.ORG English is my native language and I love it. But don't try to tell me that it's easy to learn or that it makes sense. If it were, "baseline" would rhyme with "vaseline".
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From: "Jon C. R. Bennett" <jb7m+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Ideas on Clipper Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 92 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu I have an idea as to why the encryption algorithm needs to be keep secret, and some things that i think it implies. (Of course these could all be wrong.....) from THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning Revised, April 21, 1993 . . . The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block encryption algorithm called "Skipjack." The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip . . . ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after an authorized wiretap has been installed. ------------------ suppose i knew how the algorithm worked and knew the N for my chip, but did not know F, then by cryptanalysis i might be able to determine F from if law enforcement field E[E[K; U] + N; F] not knowing N would might make this much harder. Now suppose that I know F, (either legitimately or not), If I know K (either because I am involved in the conversation, or I know U for a party in the conversation), I may now be able to determine U for the other party. If I know F I can also defeat the law enforcement field, since I could make my own, with a different K then the one I am using. Knowing F also allows traffic analysis to be performed. So I might not know what you are saying but I could know who you are saying it too. Now I admit that someone trying to compute U will not have lots of messages to work from, but since we have no way of knowing that the key generation method does not (deliberately?) generate weak keys, or for that matter that the published method is in fact used, perhaps the U's will be chosen from know weak keys for the system. Obviously the compromise of F would be a disaster, both to law enforcement for whom this whole thing is designed, and for the people who believe that it is giving them security. F is but one number, and I sure that alot of people (more then 1) know what it is (and if some "panel of experts" is going to check it over for flaws then many more will know F, forget grinding chips, bribery and blackmail work just fine. So, am I wrong? Or are these problems. jon
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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 18 In article <C5sIAJ.Ks7@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much > earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? > > Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? Because most of the children were with their parent(s). Do you understand that concept? Here's a bunch of people who believe in their minds that the forces of Satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over their own children? Were you born that stupid or does it take a lot of effort? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **
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From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: shelley.1psf0dINNm4q Organization: University of Washington Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >writes: >|> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect >|> I have >|> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. >|> A dishard Cub fan >Yes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager. >I never believed managers had that much to do with winning >until I saw how much they had to do with losing.... I like the Mariners a lot, but my heart belongs to the Cubs...You can imagine my frustration when I saw the Cubs nabbing LeFebvre...ARHGGHRGHH! -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu
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From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 I see that our retarded translator, David, is still writing things that don't make sense. Hey David I can see where you are.. May be one day, We will have the chance to talk deeply about that freedom of speach of yours.. And you now, killing or torture, these things are only easy ways out.. I have different plans for you and all empty headeds like you... Lets get serious, DAVE, don't ever write bad things about Turkish people or especially Cyprus.. If I hear a word from you again that I consider to be a curse to my people I will retalliate... Muccccukkk.. TIMUCIN. -- KAAN,TIMUCIN Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 15 In <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. What does this <censored> from NORWAY think he's doing telling us how to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain. Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint, it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it.... Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) wearer of asbestos underoos
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From: massey@travis.llnl.gov Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Article-I.D.: travis.1993Apr6.093828.1 Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.llnl.gov In article <C4z6x7.16B@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: > I've been wanting to build a Tesla coil for quite awhile now ( > who doesn't, right? ) and I thought it would be a good intermidiate > step to build a JAcob's Ladder first. > Well, I have been looking for a high voltage transformer that > is reasonable inexpensive ( neon sign transformers cost mucho ). In the past I've managed to buy used neon sign transformers from sign shops for about $20. Try calling around. Warren N. Massey Massey@Travis.LLNL.Gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 7000 East Ave., P.O. Box 808, L-495 Livermore, Calif. 94550 <<<My opinions are mine alone>>> (510)422-1958
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From: melewitt@cs.sandia.gov (Martin E. Lewitt) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr22.055958.2377 Organization: nCUBE, Sandia Park, NM Lines: 31 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? I saw a Lifetime Medical Television show a few months back on travel medicine. It briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or three days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation. Unfortunately all that I can recall is that the drug stimulated breathing at night??? I don't know if that makes sense, it seems to me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production would be a more logical approach, erythropoiten (sp?). Alas, I didn't record the program, but wish I had, since I live at over 7000ft. and my mother gets sick when visiting. Please let me know if you get more informative responses. -- Phone: (505) 845-7561 Martin E. Lewitt My opinions are Domain: lewitt@ncube.COM P.O. Box 513 my own, not my Sandia: melewitt@cs.sandia.GOV Sandia Park, NM 87047-0513 employer's.
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Rice University Lines: 33 In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: >"To all whom it may concern - > >"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible >organization of such men and women, who having themselves found >the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the >burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, >and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be >guided. > >"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. >have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of >the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, >yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics >which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover >The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the >One Hermetic Truth. > >"This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient >Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: >The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. Up to this point, I was kinda hoping that this was a joke. Still, it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated TV show- "These are the adventures of the Oriental Templars... dedicated to truth, justice, and good karma! (Dramatic music in the background.)" No doubt I've just horribly offended someone. -- Mike Swaim |Whenever the soft drink machine needs to be swaim@owlnet.rice.edu |restocked, rather than getting angry, Disclamer: I lie |meditate on the impermanence of all things |and the emptiness of coke.
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From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve) Subject: Marchin Cubes Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de Keywords: Polygon Reduction Hi there, is there anybody who know a polygon_reduction algorithm for marching cube surfaces. e.g. the algirithm of Schroeder, Siggraph'92. For any hints, hugs and kisses. - Erwin ,,, (o o) ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________ |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_| |_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| | | | | Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 | | | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany | | | | | Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) | | Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 | | | | | Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de | |_______________________________|_____________________________________|
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Subject: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Phillies Summary: Phillies Lines: 17 ATTN: Those who live inthe Philadelphia Metro area... Back in September I was listening to WIP, and I remember the morning guys were talking with Mayor Ed Rendell. The topic of conversation was a new ball park for the Phillies. The location for this new park was suggested to be near 30th St Station. At the time, the mayor was optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality. Has there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream? I know the city of Philadelphia has other projects ahead, such as the new convention center and the upcoming Spectrum II. But it would be nice to see this a reality. It is planned that the Phillies leave the VET and leave it solely to the Eagles (and if that's the case, the Eagles should make the VET a grass stadium, but that's another story). I want to see that day! comments?
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From: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) Subject: One day graphics/composites seminar Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH Lines: 47 Distribution: world Reply-To: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) NNTP-Posting-Host: looney.lerc.nasa.gov SAMPE, NCGA, The University of Akron, and NASA Lewis Research Center is sponsoring: COMPUTERS AND COMPOSITES A one-day seminar devoted to practical applications of computer workstations for efficient processing, design, and Manufacture of composites May 18, 1993 at The University of Akron Akron, Ohio Speakers on: Advancement in Graphics Visualization Dr. Jay Horowitz, NASA Integrated Product Development with Mr. Michael R. Cowen Network Workstations Sikorski Aircraft Structural Analysis Mr. Brian Fite, NASA Stereolithography Mr. Jason Williams, Penn State-Erie Molecular and Physical Modeling Dr. Vassilios Galiatsato, of Polymer Curing University of Akron Process Modeling of Polymer Matrix Composites Dr Ram Upadhyay, GE Corporate R&D Registration Fees: $75.00 Advance, $100.00 on site (Includes box lunch) Contact Gary Roberts, NASA Lewis Research Center (216) 433-344 or write: SAMPE Regional Seminar c/o Gary Roberts NASA Lewis Research Center 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 49-1 Cleveland, Ohio 44135 Or Email to me, | and I'll get it to Gary. | \/ -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Johnston (216) 433-5029 | | Materials Engineer (216) 433-5033 | | NASA Lewis Research Center Internet: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | | 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 105-1 | | Cleveland, OH 4413 USA Resistance is futile! | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: aardvark@spica.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 14 In article <Apr.5.16.22.48.1993.11331@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >anyone who writes "dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!" should be shot. The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate they'll have 1,455 errors this season! Well maybe I'm right this time... -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10.
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From: mtoivakk@abo.fi (Martti Toivakka PAP) Subject: Compiled version of VOGL-library for PC? Keywords: VOGL Organization: Abo Akademi University Lines: 11 Has anybody compiled VOGL-graphics library for IBM-PC? I need to call it from MS-Fortran but don't have MS-C to compile the sources. Thanks for any help... martti toivakka mtoivakk@abo.fi
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From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 71 ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: spacenews@austen.rand.org, cti@austen.rand.org Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:00:21 PDT From: Richard Buenneke <buenneke@austen.rand.org> 4/06/93: GIBBONS OUTLINES SPACE STATION REDESIGN GUIDANCE NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 6, 1993 RELEASE: 93-64 Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give "full consideration" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilitiaes. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, "President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation." NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East-West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev. ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy
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From: william.vaughan@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (WILLIAM DANIEL VAUGHAN) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Lines: 9 Organization: University of Utah Computer Center In article <pww-120493020107@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) >Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 07:06:33 GMT >In article <1qaqi1INNgje@gap.caltech.edu>, werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew >Tong) wrote: >> so what
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From: amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) Subject: Re: Radiosity Reply-To: amann@iam.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Institute of Computer Science and Applied Mathematics, Special Interest Group Computer Graphics Lines: 54 In article 16598@rz.uni-jena.de, hahm@fossi.hab-weimar.de (peter hahm) writes: > > >RADIOSITY SOURCES WANTED !!! >============================ > >When I read the comp.graphics group, I never found something about >radiosity. Is there anybody interested in out there? I would be glad >to hear from somebody. >I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I have already >read common literature, e. g.Foley ... . I think little examples could >help me to understand how radiosity works. Common languages ( C, C++, >Pascal) prefered. >I hope you will help me! > >Yours >Peter > Peter, there's a radiosity package ahead. The only problem is: there are a few miles to sail ... ;-^ Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute I finished it. That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) to finish it. In the meantime you may have a look at the file Radiosity_code.tar.Z located at compute1.cc.ncsu.edu (there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest) Hope that'll help. Yours Stephan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephan Amann SIG Computer Graphics, University of Berne, Switzerland amann@iam.unibe.ch Tel +41 31 65 46 79 Fax +41 31 65 39 65 Projects: Radiosity, Raytracing, Computer Graphics ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 293 Dear friends, I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. As part of the requirements for a research class in music education I designed a questionnaire to colect data for my research project. The study intends to determine which techniques (if any) have been used to teach music for the deaf. If you have any experience in music education for the deaf and would like to help me with this project, your help would be very much appreciated. If you also want to exchange some ideas about the subject matter, feel yourself welcome. I have been working in this area for a while (in Brazil _ by the way, I am Brazilian _ and also in US) and I am very pleased with the results. I hope that this inquiry will not cause too many inconveniences. Thank you for or time and consideration. __QUESTIONNAIRE__ Teaching Music for deaf children. NAME ________________________________ ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ *If you checked "other", please indicate your major: ____ Some school systems require music to be taught to deaf children, other school systems have not thought of the possibility to teach music for children with hearing limitations. The following questionnaire was designed to find out how teachers face the issue of teaching or not teaching music for the deaf. Also, a part of this study is to determine teachers attitudes towards music programs for deaf children. DIRECTIONS: READ THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE THE NUMBER THAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSIC FOR DEAF CHILDREN (LEFT COLUMN), AND CIRCLE THE APPROPRIATE "YES", "NO" OR "NOT APPLICABLE", WHETHER YOU DO THE TASK (RIGHT COLUMN). SD= Strongly disagree Y= yes DIS= Disagree N= no NEU= Neutral N/A= not applicable AG= Agree SA= Strongly agree SD DIS NEU AG SA COMPETENCIES Y N N/A ___________________________________________________________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 1.Deaf children can be educated in y n n/a music. 1 2 3 4 5 2.Deaf children should have regular y n n/a music classes. 1 2 3 4 5 3.A special music teacher must posses y n n/a an appropriate training in a variety of communication methods to use with deaf children. 1 2 3 4 5 4.In preparing the lessons the teacher y n n/a must keep in mind that deaf children may present special needs in order to participate in musical activities. 1 2 3 4 5 5.Deaf and normal hearing children y n n/a should have music classes together. 1 2 3 4 5 6. 80% of a succesful music experience y n n/a by a deaf child depends upon the teacher's creativity and commitment with the subject matter. 1 2 3 4 5 7.Deaf children can learn to appreciate y n n/a music but they will never be a musician or a performer. 1 2 3 4 5 8.Deaf children are not able to y n n/a discriminate and recognize sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 9.Deaf children can not distinguish y n n/a among loud and soft sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 10.Deaf children can never match the y n n/a music in their head to a note on a musical instrument. 1 2 3 4 5 11.The most appropriate material to y n n/a start music classes for the deaf would be the folk songs said he would be replaced by the military commandant of Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official confirmation. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: shelley.1pserkINNltg Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: >While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - >and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road >uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason >for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all >green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing >money to be made in sales of new merchandise. no kidding...just ask the White Sox... too bad, really... -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu
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From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: A picture is worth a thousand words... 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From: lriggins@afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins) Subject: LCIII Cache Card? Summary: Rumors? Announcements? Nntp-Posting-Host: bat.afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 4 Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot? -- Maurice INTERNET: lriggins@afit.af.mil
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From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) Subject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr04.071624.14068@armory.com> (talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,soc.men), rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: ] In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: ] > I think the dialogue would go better if (at least some) gays ] >showed awareness of a practical issue. For example. men and women use ] >different toilets. Hence men who are likely to abuse girls have that ] >avenue closed to them. There are many other situations where it is easy ] >to prevent sexual abuse BETWEEN the two sexes through such measures and ] >social conventions. It is harder to prevent it with gays but if those ] >gays who do not abuse children (nor want to) became aware that this is ] >a practical problem that we can solve with good will on both sides, then ] >we can have protection for parents and children at the same time as ] >protection for gays in those ways that are of importance to their ] >pursuit of happiness in their own way. ] > ] >Just a thought ] > ] >Rohit Parikh ] ------------------- ] Sorry, Rohit, but you are responding to someone well-recognized as a ] flaming nut, i.e., Clayton Cramer. He must have been abused by a man and is ] living his life in an attempt to vilify all men who like sex with other men ] something slightly similar to the way his assailant liked it with him. He ] will alter or misrepresent anything he finds to try to prove that there are ] homosexuals who wish to rape little boys like he was coming out of the ] woodwork. There is no hope for him. In all probability he is secretly gay, ] which compounds his neurosis in his own mind, by thinking that someone else ] made him that way. I don't personally see how someone like him could walk ] and chew gum at the same time, as mentally crippled and dominated as he is ] by his fantasies. ] ] He would have you believe that the figures on the percentage of people who ] like to do it with the same sex sometime or all the time is way smaller ] than it is, but then he will virtually assert that everyone's queer and ] they're trying to get him. He actually believes, despite all evidence that ] homosexuals do some huge disproportionate amount of child sexual abuse, ] even though he insists that there may be as few as 1% of them in the male ] population! If there were that few of them in the population, San Francisco ] would currently be empty, because a significant portion of them have sought ] a tolerant atmosphere in that city, and the numbers simply do not work when ] you add up their home town origins. There is nothing to be gained by ] communicating with Clayton Cramer, he is unable to listen to anyone. ] -RSW ] ] ] -- ] * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * ] * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * ] * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * ] * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * Sorry, but I don't see how the response applies to what was posted. Unless I am badly mistaken, Rohit is suggesting that protecting boys from men is different than protecting girls from men. There are situations in which boys and girls are apart from members of the *opposite* sex (due to social convention or whatever) and thus are safe (in at least some sense). These same situations don't (necessarily) protect the children from abuse by members of the *same* sex. If we can understand that, it's not such a tremendous leap to suggest that if we all think about it hard, *someone* may come up with a practical solution (or even a partial solution) to some of the situations in which children are made vulnerable to homosexuals who wish to abuse them. By working together "with good will on both sides", we may be able to start solving problems without restricting anyone's freedoms. Mr. Walz on the other hand is using Rohit's post as an excuse for personal attacks on Mr. Cramer. While Mr. Walz hasn't (by a *long* stretch) been the only one to flame Mr. Cramer, it is no less childish and it only serves to weaken any other arguments he may make in the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms.
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From: Andrew Rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:03:51 GMT Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> Don Schiewer, schiewer@pa881a.inland.com writes: >What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the "face" and heard >associated theories. (which sound thin to me) > >Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? >Does anyone buy all the life theories? try alt.alien.visitors
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From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) Subject: Easy to translate JPEG code... Article-I.D.: shelley.1rfsqbINNc2p Organization: University of Washington Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Does anyone out there have any JPEG decompression code in pretty much any language that I can read and understand? I have trouble understanding the JPEG Group's code that I got from an FTP site. If any one can send me some good code, I will appreciate it a lot! Thanks! Stuart Denman stusoft@u.washington.edu
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From: tmccn@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Tracy McCracken) Subject: 486sx For Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I have a 486sx/20, 5 megs RAM, 85 meg harddrive (Stacked to 160 w/Stacker 3.0), 3.5 floppy, 3 expansion slots, 2 drive bays, VGA card, no monitor. $650.00 or interesting combination of cash and trade. Located in Chicago. Please e-mail to this address (tmccn@merle.acns.nwu.edu) or call Allister at (312)743-5603. Thanks.
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From: jerryb@eskimo.com (Jerry Kaufman) Subject: Re: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 11 Cloak yourself in God's sustaining and abiding love. Pray, pray, pray. Pray for your brother, that he will assume the Godly role that is his. Pray for your sister-in-law, the what ever is driving her to separate your brother and herself from the the rest of the family will be healed. Pray for God to give you the peace in the knowledge that you may not be able to 'fix' it. From your description it would appear that it will require devine intervention, and the realization by your brother as to what his responsibilities are. Seek Godly counsel from your pastor, or other spiritually mature believer. Know always that He is akways there as a conforter, and will give you wisdon and direction as you call on Him.
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From: jyow@desire.wright.edu Subject: Re: Alarm systems: are they worthwhile? Distribution: usa Organization: Wright State University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr19.164451.3744@news.eng.convex.com>, Dave Dodson <dodson@convex.COM> writes: > Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car? > > What features are important? > > What features are unimportant? That is a question that can only be answered by yourself and where you live. If you live in a place where crime is apparent, then it might be a good idea to get one simply as a deterrent. However, if a professional thief wants your vehicle, its as good as gone no matter what you do. But to slow down any thieves it would be a good idea to get the basic options. That would be: 1) ignition kill or fuel cut-off 2) a flashing red LED These two are basic to a decent alarm system. To slow down the criminal some more, get a steering wheel lock. That should be sufficient to persuade the thief to find an easier target. But, then there's always car-jacking. Why is life so confusing? I hope I helped somewhat. ************************************************************************ Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu ************************************************************************
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From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back? Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Melido came off the DL today and will start tonight against the Rangers. (Now, if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesn't have to come in.....) --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall =========================================================================== | "What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated." | | -Val Kilmer, "Real Genius" | ===========================================================================
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From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: DRIVE Summary: ** Honda XR-100R Dirt Bike for sale ** MINT! Lines: 10 For Sale: 1987 Honda XR-100R dirt bike. Bought new from dealer in 1989. Ridden only 4 hours, garage kept and well cared for. The bike is in MINT condition; perfect size for lady or young adult. price: $600 firm. You will not be disappointed. Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana inquiries preferred please. work: (513) - 576-5986. Leave voicemail please. Rob Davis, Cincinnati Ohio. Again, this is a new bike.
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From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Alias phone number wanted Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 9 What is the phone number for Alias? A toll-free number is preferred, if available. Thanks -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress.
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Nuclear/heavy weapons and the Militia [Long] Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 194 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: Down to 170-some odd lines. We must be making progress! On an ironic note, where I deleted lines Emacs continually gave me the message "Garbage collecting... Done." Think it's trying to tell me something? >viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >And thank you: It's a great change from the same tired old debates... You lurkers can join in at any time, you know! Ahhh.. Talk.politics.guns -- the kindler, gentler newsgroup. Who would have thought? >No, not exactly: The only reason for this sort of restriction is >the possible endangerment of others. A poorly maintained >rifle is dangerous, but only to the user; since it doesn't >endanger others, there is no justification for such restrictions. I remind you of shrapnel. I consider 5' a reasonable space limitation, but make no mistake a gun blowing up is a hazard to those nearby, say in the next lane at the range. My point was at what distance, or level of threat, we draw the line. Is it the endangerment of others, so we do a 5' restriction, or the possibility of being shot, hence we draw a 1.5 mile restriction, or a nuke and draw a 5 mile restriction? To me they al suffer from the fundamental flaw that they restrict based upon the instrument rather than placing the responsibility for usage squarely upon the shoulders of the user. Perhaps Sen. Metzenbaum declaring the Barrett Light Fifty an assault rifle has made this more apparent to me, since the Barrett has only range and acurracy going for it. >They have determined that their lives are worth the effort to >protect their homes and families. Using nuclear weapons close >to home will not accomplish this. I disagree, on the grounds that a house can be rebuilt much more easily than my family once I have died. I assume that word would get to the citizens that such an attack was planned. If this is not the case, the tactical and strategic implications change quite a bit. Personally, my home is worth, say, twenty Martians intent on taking over the world. My family? All of them. The balancing act here is hard to judge sitting at my desk. >There is, however, another problem: In any case of civil war, >the strength of the militias fighting on each side should >reflect the popular will. If the public is split 67% versus >33%, then the minorities' militias should be at a 2:1 disadvantage. >Such a need for popular support would, hopefully, prevent >insurrections unless the people really were behind the rebels. >But heavy weapons owned by a small fraction of the militia >could distort this: What if the 33% minority included all the >tank and artillery owners? That seems to be the case already, given that heavy weapons aren't commonly owned by the citizenry. With such low numbers, obviously due to cost, I don't think the superior weapons are going to be of great effect against a numerically superior foe. Furthermore, it is even more doubtful their training includes proper tactical movements that best utilize tanks, whereas the commonly rifleman is not so hampered in effectiveness. >I think it is vital to avoid such a situation, where a small >minority would have a reasonable chance of gaining political power >through violence. To prevent this, it may be necessary to give >control of heavy weapons (e.g. those which only a small number >of individuals would own _and_ whose firepower would grossly >distort the relation between popular support and military >strength) to someone other that individual militiamen. This is >certainly not a good thing, but I think it is the lesser of two evils. >Whoever controls these weapons must be a democratic body, >responsive to the will of the people. I had envisioned that the armorer, perhaps the officers of a select group, and the like would exercise control over the heavier, more complex weapons. But, if Joe Bob owns an old Sherman tank I certainly wouldn't ask him to give it up. Follow orders from the officers, yes. Since the expense of a tank is so large, though, chances are it would be jointly purchased and should therefore be jointly maintained and operated. >Here, I think we have to be carefull about _which_ "state" we >are talking about: Certainly one role of the militia is to >overthrow a repressive government, and it would be completely >destructive to that end for that same government to control >the militia's arms. But the United States have several levels >of government, each able to act independently, but not all >likely targets of rebelion. >As such, rebelions against state and >local governments are very unlikely. I think, therefore, that the >state (or possibly local) governments could safely be allowed to >keep the select militia's heavy weapons. The risk of abuse, while >still something to consider, is far less than the similar risk >were the federal government in control. This I'll agree with to a point. The State having control over the heavy weapons should not be justification for the state to have them centrally located. Keep them spread out, such that the ability of the State to lock them up isn't so easy. Otherwise, I would have to assume that State control would rest on the authority of the Governor and militia officers. >That is eaxctly why I think they should be removed: The select >militia should privide the militia's heavy weapons and highly-trained >specialists. For the reasons I have outlines above, I think >these heavy weapons (tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc...) are >better off being kept by local governments than by a small >number of individuals. However, local governments shouldn't >be able to use the select militia without the support to the >people. Ideally, the general militia, under the direct >control of the people, and the select militia, under the direction >of democratic, local governments, would opperate together. >But even in the worst case, the general militia should be able >to functional without the select militia. Similarly, the >select militia should be incapable of action without the >aid of the general militia. I'm having a hard time seeing how these heavy weapons, fairly few in numbers, could not be easily wielded by a few people with government support. Just as you argued above that the weapons should be divvied up and under democratic control so one side doesn't have all of them, I can't see where this situation is alleviated in having the select militia holding all the weapons and the unorganized militia being the infantry. I think a better mix is called for. But, I would argue that the Federal army should rely upon the select militia and the unorganized militia for the bulk of its infantry units. >Consider, then, the effect of removing the National Guard's >infantry and placing the Guard under the control of local >governments. The government-controled select militia could >not fight effectively without infantry support provided by >the general militia (an inherently infantry organization.) >On the other hand, the general militia could function (although >at a disadvantage) without the backing of local governments and >the select militia. We have to assume that there would be those who would side with the government-controlled forces, and if they've all the equipment an infantry force 3x the size would be in trouble. I'd like to see that heavy stuff, say tanks, offset by the local troups having a few 105's and anti-tank weapons in their armory. These would be much more useful to infantry than the tank would be when cost and training requirements are figured in. I suppose I'm quibbling over what constitutes heavy equipment. >>...but a mechanized infantry unit is what builds >>dikes in times of flood, sets up disaster relief cities, and >>the like. > >I would much rather see these things handled by the local, >general militias. So would I, but the resources often aren't available to outfit local units well enough. Thus, we will certainly have to call in others, and a mechanized unit carries more stuff faster than anything else. >Perhaps the National Guard isn't as close to my conception of >the select militia as I thought: I was considering them to >be the heavy weapons/armor arm of the militia, not the infantry >arm of the regular army. Perhaps our ideas of heavy weapons are different? I think main battle tanks, self-propelled artillery, and 155mm and up field pieces are heavy stuff. M113 troop carriers, 2 1/2 ton trucks, HumVee's, old M60 tanks, 105 Howitzers, are more the stuff of a mechanized infantry. Actually, this is what the Guard units in Iowa are currently fielding in some units. Perhaps it is just my innate fear of having the real heavy equipment under State control, with little but numbers and light stuff to act as a deterrent. Allowing main battle tanks to the states should be balanced with anti-tank capability in the local ranks. Similarly, local units would need to band together quickly, hence small and fast response means mechanized infantry. Finally, the militia is more than just fighting. Equipment is needed for other responses. The Federal army, I'm convinced, should have a very minumum of infantry, relying on the state and local militias for these functions. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms :'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that :there are actually *few* cases where this is so. You "think" wrong. Ask the FBI. They've got the proof. Look it up. :The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary :opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who :would argue with you about a parking space, those who would :take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. You lie like a snake. The "vast majority" of the 200 MILLION firearms in this country are never used in anger. Your feelings notwithstanding. :Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. :In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. :No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, :than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. We will overcome the kind of blind, pig-headed, utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas. We will make the truth be known, despite your best efforts to the contrary. :The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. The Second Amendment won't be dead unless it is repealed. That won't happen. EVER. Accept this. Find another way to try and control other's lives, because we see you for what you are, and we are not fooled. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *
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From: brother@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jesse McCabe) Subject: There's rust on my Beamer! Help! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Actually I wasn't too surprised, since I bought it with the rust. Any of you got some ideas of getting rid of this CHEAPLY (key word)?? It has eaten all the way through on the door panels. Can I use Bondo? Also, is there a good paint that will bond to Aluminum rims? The paint thati was on my rims has peeled off, actually, there's some rust looking 'stuff' on the rims themselves... but it comes off pretty easily. One more thing... Have any of you done self-painting to a car? How do you start? What do I need to do this? Please help me! Jesse
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From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ) Subject: Re: Windows hangs on 486DX33??? Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 49 wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: : Hello all you windows freaks out there. : : I bought Windows 3.1 (dutch version) some time ago, and run it on a : 286. I recently upgraded my computer to a 486DX33, 256K cache, 4M memory, : 212M Maxtor HD. Works real fine, but not with windows. : : When playing Patience (SOL) or minesweeper, suddenly the system hangs: : - I just can't move my mouse anymore. : or : - Screen goes blank, nothing further : or : - Screen goes blank, computer seems to reboot, but stops before reaching : the end of the memory test. : : Once (or maybe even twice) I got a message about some illegal kernel call : or something (accompanied by a hex adress) and a close-button. When pressing : it, the application wouldn't close, though. : : I haven't experienced this problem with other programs than these, but that's : mainly because I haven't really used other programs. I suspect them to hang : too. : : Anything known about this problem. (Or, better, any patches available?) : : : Oh, forgot to tell, if, in CMOS RAM, I make the computer faster (higher : bus speed, less wait states, enable both caches etc), the crash comes : faster (after 10 min. or so). If I deliberately slow the system down : (slow bus speed, wait states, disable internal/external cache, no : shadowing) the crash comes later, but comes. : : Hope anyone can help. : : Wouter. : : Hi, I got a problem too, with a 486DX2-66 VLB, 4 Mb RAM, 170Mb disk. Sometimes, when I switch on the computer, it starts Windows (3.1 Dutch) Windows switches to 1024x768, switches back to text-mode and exits to DOS. After one or two resets, the system works fine... Thanks Patrick VU Amsterdam
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From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY Lines: 22 04 May 93, D. Andrew Byler writes to All: DAB> I think I need to again post the Athanasian Creed, whicc pretty well DAB> delinieates orthodox Christian belief on the Trinity, and on the DAB> Incarnation. DAB> It's a pretty good statement of the beliefs eventually accpeted, and the DAB> Creed is in use by the Catholic Church, as well as the Lutheran, DAB> Anglican, and Orthodox churches (the last minus the filioque, which they DAB> delete from the original form of the creed). Do you have any evidence that it is used by the Orthodox Churches? As far as I know it is purely Western, like the "Apostles' Creed". The Orthodox Churches use the "Symbol of Faith", commonly called "The Nicene Creed". Steve Hayes Department of Missiology University of South Africa --- GoldED 2.40
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 17 In <ekdfc.14.0@ttacs1.ttu.edu> ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes: >In <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: >>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION >>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE "MAGIC" >Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of >nine players each. Let's keep it that way. Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb argument. -- David M. Nieporent | "Only one thing wrong with theory... niepornt@phoenix. | Is stupid! Is stupidest theory I ever heard!" princeton.edu | --------------------- Baltimore Orioles 93 | Who's the dangerous cult -- the BDs or the BATF?
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From: akachhy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (avinash.kachhy) Subject: MS Excel SDK for Sale Organization: SELF Distribution: usa Lines: 21 I have the following for sale. Absolutely new, I won it at a raffle and have no use for it. Microsoft Excel Software Development Kit Version 4 for MS WIndows and the Apple Macintosh Contains - a 498 page book by Microsoft Press - 2 3.5" floppy disks containing software/sample code - a poster of the api calls etc. Orig. price is US$ 49.95. I would like to sell it for the highest offer over $30 + shipping. Please email reply to attmail!akachhy Thanks Avinash Kachhy
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >(Josh Hopkins) writes: >> I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in >> connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. >The General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General >Dynamics. >The emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people* >on the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You'd >think it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for >modest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but >there's not a hint of this in the brochure. It may be that they just didn't mention it, or that they actually haven't thought about it. I got the vague impression from their mission proposal that they weren't taking a very holistic aproach to the whole thing. They seemed to want to land people on the Moon by the end of the decade without explaining why, or what they would do once they got there. The only application I remember from the Av Week article was placing a telescope on the Moon. That's great, but they don't explain why it can't be done robotically. >> Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( >You're not hanging out with the Right People, apparently. But I'm a _member_. Besides Bill, I hang out with you :) -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Find a way or make one." -attributed to Hannibal
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr17.170255.23800@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: > >Jutila was a failure, I think, while Makela (and Ari Haanpaa) had an >on-again/off-again career with the Islanders. Both players had to play in the >minors. Of course I "like" our players, I just don't think the names >you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even "Rexi" in his prime was more >of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right, >although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf. > Ruotsaleinen was a more than competent NHL'er...his choice of where to play when did not bear on his hockey playing ability. He was crucial to the Oilers Stanley Cup victory in 1990, the one without Gretzky, because he made an Oiler power play which was lethargic that year until he arrived slide into overdrive. The Oilers missed him more the following year than Kurri, and I think the Oilers would have make the finals if Ruotsaleinen has stayed around the following season, and would have beaten Pittsburgh with Ruotsaleinen and a healthy Messier...and delayed Pittsburgh's dynasty by a season. Gerald
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From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: Re: SUPER TOUGH Baseball Trivia Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr17.015908.10416@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) writes: >In the Bruce Springsteen video "Glory Days", from the Born >in the USA album, they show two quick shots of a baseball game >on television in the bar Bruce and the E-Street band are playing. > >Name the teams? > >Which Stadium? > >Who is the pitcher? > >What two batters go down swinging? > >Also at the end of the video Bruce is throwing at a wooden >"strike zone" and his last pitch a young boy lines a base >hit into center. As Bruce and the kid walk of the field the >kid asks him how he did today. > >Bruce mentions the team he was playing and that a certain >player got him in the bottom of the ninth. > >Name the player and the team! sandiego and graig nettles > >If anyone gets these I'll be impressed. > >Anthony M. Jivoin >National Center for Atmospheric Research >RSF/ATD - FL1 >P.O. Box 3000 >Boulder, CO 80307
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From: mpretzel@cs.utexas.edu (Benjamin W. Allums) Subject: Re: Mac II SCSI & PMMU socket question Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tokio.cs.utexas.edu In article <1qkmb2$n0d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM writes: >1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could >anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained >a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto >my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to >install it. The original Mac II had an Apple MMU chip installed which performs a subset of the 68851's functions. If you look underneath your front left floppy bay you will find three chips, all approximately the same size. One will be the 68020, the next the 68881, and the third, approximately the same size, will be the Apple chip. It is easy to spot because it has a 'hump' in the middle of it. Example: ----------- / \ --------------- --------------- | | | | That and the Apple logo should make it easy to find. Ben mpretzel@cs.utexas.edu
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From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. Nntp-Posting-Host: castor.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.021846.2423@shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > >each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very >valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who >cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my >pocket on two 8mm tapes. Excellent point, and there's a related point I'd like to make. They'll have to back up these databases themselves, won't they? How many tape copies will there be, and how secure will the tapes be? If they store them off-site, it wouldn't be too hard to hijack them in transit. If they're all kept on-site, one good bomb attack by some group intent on freeing us from the threat of government snooping will take care of the problem once and for all. I can see it now -- "Hi, we're from the government and we, um, misplaced our copy of your key. Could you mail us a copy?"
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From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Article-I.D.: cup.C535HL.C6H Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: hesh.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote: : The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I : know he knew I was there. oh, okay. then in that case it was attemped vehicular manslaughter. he definitely wanted to kill you. all cagers want to kill bikers. that's the only explanation that i can think of. -- hesh
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From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than >a Beretta. My GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires. I took out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned this fact. I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather. A Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even. The Michelin dealer where I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing. Said he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in Texas and not Colorado. Thanks, Eric -- -- O An inactive lifestyle Eric J. Lorenzo --- </\_ violates our genetic warranty lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU --- -\/\ Not to excercise is not also @spot & @ucsu --- /_ to be fully human. -Keith Johnsgard
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From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) Subject: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 24 So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage, they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't so great. But maybe someone can tell me. Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully charged. What's wrong with this? On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was it? Is there still any of it left? Thanks for any and all help! -- Robert
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From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: Hayes JT FAX card for sale $125 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have a like new Hayes JT FAX for sale $125 or offer or trade! Wally Waggoner wow@cup.portal.com
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From: maynard@convex.com (Mark Maynard) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: trojan.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA Distribution: rec.autos X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: > >>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. >>gibbonsa@sfu.ca > > This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? > Chintan Amin Sounds more like an Opel GT. Neat cars, fun to drive. Sold through Buick from 196? through 1973 (if I remember correctly). I believe it was in '72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts were not interchangeable with the older models. Parts are thus much harder to come by for the later models. Parts in general are not too difficult to find. At one time JC Whitney carried some stuff including a brand new (not remfg) long block. Either a GT or a Kharman Ghia (hmm that spelling looks hosed) will be my next project. Mark
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Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,world Organization: University of Wyoming Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu Lines: 18 >Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it >uses NDIS. WFWG does use NDIS but it cooperates well with the NDIS shim for ODI. (I've heard that it is as fast as NDIS direct) > >My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my >UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work >along. The additional TSR load is minimal. I think I eat another 20K total. This is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my Windows NT box. Novell hasn't released a decent NT Novell client yet so I share through my WFWG box. This solution is very usable.
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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: none Lines: 13 Tim Rolfe writes: without active participation. If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. I heard the Gregorian chant of the Passion on Good Friday. In this liturgy, our Lord is definitely *very* sad. It's as if He has resigned Himself to die for these poor pitiful creatures who are killing Him. The chant is *quite* beautiful.
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X-Mailer: TMail version 1.17R From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> Organization: Nobody but me -- really Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Distribution: world Lines: 61 In <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) wrote: # In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: # |> In article <Apr15.175334.72079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: # |> > # |> >It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like # |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer # |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... # |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of # |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not # |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often # |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are # |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and # |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps # |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured # |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages # |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. # |> # |> This a "tried and true" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: # |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the # |> opposing "state" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, # |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the # |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the # |> innocent civilians into harm's way. # |> # |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel # |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking # |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects # |> innocent lives? # # Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using # civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the # buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it # further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just # kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to # the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... "GETTING BACK" # ..."GETTING EVEN". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least # it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of # civilians. Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate targets only when Mirandized, or some such? I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are reversed. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) ---
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From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: na Lines: 41 In article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >Substituting irony for brains, (Bruce Klopfenstein) said: > >>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: > >>> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with >>> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. > >>I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't >>count for anything. > >Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with >nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? > >Most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the >batter did something good. I use the phrase "happened to be" advisedly. >Lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the >most ability to "turn it up a notch" in clutch/RBI/whatever situations, and >what they've found is that there is no evidence that *anyone* has such an >ability to any measurable extent. There are no clutch hitters. People who >tend to do things that *would* cause an RBI if there were somebody on base >end up getting RBIs proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by >being in position. > >>My mistake. > >I agree. > Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases, so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would not count then, either. My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) Ed O.
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From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In a Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, it was reported that there were two (2) plans for a new Phillies stadium: the already-mentioned 30th Street Station proposal, and a location near Broad Street and Race Street, I think. I can't remember the exact details, but the stadium would be build practically downtown. There is a small lot that could be used, according to the paper. The 30th street plan has run into some trouble, because Amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to accomodate the stadium. I don't have an opinion just yet, just letting everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now. Neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon, however, because nobody wants to pay for it :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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From: lynn@granitt.uio.no (Malcolm Lynn) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Lines: 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: pcgeo23.uio.no Organization: University of Oslo Lines: 3 this is a tesrt s
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From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) Subject: infra red position encoders Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory Distribution: na Lines: 16 I am looking for information on infra red based position encoders. The idea would be to bounce the infrared source off a wall and the device would read out the distance. preferable it would be rs-232 addressable. Any leads? -- Chris Kushmerick kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov --I found my niche in life, I just didn't fit in.
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From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU ("Todd Karlin") Subject: Re: THE METS ARE RAPISTS!! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 34 writes: > In the new book about the Mets it talks about how they like to rape little > girls before games. Sick jerks!!! > -Max Is this the book by Bob Klapisch (spelling?), "The Worst Team Money Can Buy"? If it is, I wouldn't give the book, or anything in it any value whatsoever. Klapisch wrote the book to make money (obviously) and sensational literature is going to sell a lot better than what he usually writes for the papers. I'm not calling him a liar, but if there was any proof that a Met player had raped a little girl before a game (let alone doing it on a regular basis) they would be in jail, not Shea. For those people who do not know what the press is like in New York, it is probably more cut-throat than in just about any other part of the U.S. Keith Hernandez said it very well on ESPN a couple of days ago, they would much rather mention a clubhouse fight, than a two-run homer in the ninth to win a game. I do not read Klapisch's news columns regularly, but I do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys (hopefully for only professional reasons) to drumb up a news story, even if there isn't one there. Now as far as the confrontation with Bobby Bonilla a few days ago, I almost totally blame Bonilla. No matter what a member of the press does, and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be, that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist. Personally, I always thought that a beat writer that always follows a club around should report the news, but not be looking to degrade a team. I don't know whether to blame Klapisch, because that may be the only way to keep a job in New York.
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From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) Subject: Re: So I'm an idiot, what else is new? Originator: drickel@bounce Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics Keywords: Lines: 17 In article <9303311213.AA49462@jsc.nasa.gov>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu (R. E. McElwaine) writes: |> RUSSIA'S OPERATIVE |> |> In March 1993, Russian President Boris Yeltsin |> proposed to the United States and the United Nations a global |> defense shield (with "Star Wars"-type weapons) AGAINST ... Funny. A bit disturbing. Forging a posting seems somewhat unethical, even if the subject is as notorious as McElwaine. Followups should definitely not go to sci.space. david rickel drickel@sjc.mentorg.com
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From: napoli@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Gaetano Napolitano) Subject: ERA formula Distribution: ca Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 17 Hello as the subject tells all I am trying to find out what is the formula to calculate the ERA for the pitchers. If any of you baseball fans have it please e-mail me at napoli@atc.olivetti.com thank you very much Gaetano Napolitano
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From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) Subject: Route Suggestions? Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: usa Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time conflict :'^{ ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in Knoxville. I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee. I would be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that you would consider "must ride" while on the way to Knoxville. I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM on 5/25. That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on the way. By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the ride down, let me know. I'll be heading east afterward to visit family, but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally. Depending on weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip. From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg, 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions for these areas would be of great interest also. Many thanks for your ideas, Enjoy, --- Steve Bunis, Sun Microsystems ***DoD #0795*** 93-ST1100 Itasca, IL ***AMA #682049*** 78-KZ650 (ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL?????? B^| )