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6400 | From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland)
Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance
Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama
Lines: 19
In article <ng4.733990422@husc.harvard.edu>, ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho
Leung Ng) wrote:
>
>
> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without
> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without
> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change?
>
> Ho Leung Ng
> ng4@husc.harvard.edu
You became older and your intestine normalized to the weaned state. That
is, lactose tolerance is an unusual state for adults of most mammals
except for h. sapiens of northern European origin. As a h. sapiens of
asian descent (assumption based on name) the loss of lactase is normal
for you.
Steve Holland
gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
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6401 | From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer)
Subject: New mailserver...soon...utopia-service
Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG
Lines: 9
For all those who are interested and would like to discuss the popular
Secret Life..and/or other technical documentaries.. Please email me
as i am starting a newsgroup
--
jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable
johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox)
bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand)
|
6402 | From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan)
Subject: DOS 6.0 compression API: partial answer
Organization: Michigan State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
For those of you looking for information on MS-DOS 6.0's
file system compression API:
Today I called Microsoft's DOS 6.0 hotline at (800)228-7007.
They told me that the DOS 6.0 Resource Kit had the specifications
for the compression interface. The Resource Kit costs $19.95,
plus tax and $5 shipping.
I ordered a copy and will post further when I get it and know more
about it. I am posting now because the order turnaround is 15
working days.
If anyone knows for sure where's there's a good
source of info on this API, please speak up. I am
slightly skeptical about the Resource Kit's likelihood
of having detailed programming info.
Mark R. mrr@ripem.msu.edu
(posted also to sci.crypt, since the API could presumably also
be used for file system encryption.)
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6403 | From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)
Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)
Organization: Florida State University
Lines: 26
vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes:
> Our Moderator writes:
>
> > I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as
> > indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view.
> ...
> > It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold
> > it officially are the JW's and SDA's.
>
> I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate
> somewhere that hell might be "the state of once having been a human
> soul"?
Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure
from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and
his angels.
To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with
the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible
teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their
judgement is soon to come.
Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory
should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away
from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible.
Darius
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6404 | From: camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames)
Subject: Re: alt.raytrace (potential group)
Organization: Temple University
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Yes, please create the group alt.raytrace soon!!
I'm hooked on pov.
geez. like I don't have anything better to do....
OH!! dave letterman is on...
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6405 | From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong)
Subject: Actix video card drivers for windows
Keywords: actix graphics accelerator
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada
Lines: 20
I am looking for the latest drivers for the Actix graphics accelerator card.
The driver I am currently using is version 1.21 and doesn't support more
than 256 colors in 1024x768 mode even you have 2MB memory.
The BBS support for Actix is unbelievable! They are still using 2400bps
modem! It will take you hours to download the drivers, it hurts when you
are calling long distance. Is there any ftp site that has a collection
of video drivers for windows?
BTW, anyone using this card, and how do you like it so far?
Thanks.
--
Daniel Y.H. Wong UofT:(416)978-1659
wongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu Electrical Engineering
--
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6406 | From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak)
Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers
Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140
Organization: DRD Corporation
Lines: 43
In article <1993Apr26.185033.12279@drd.com> mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) writes:
>I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial
>software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing
>landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+.
>
>In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of
>information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font
>output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the
>first.
>
>WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the "Default" location
>for the printers instead of "Tractor" or "Manual". They have also filed
>this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it.
>
>MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that
>Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm
>not.
>
>Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider-
>my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely*
>they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround.
>
>WORKAROUND
>----------
>Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen
>printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like
>magic, all of your problems will go away.
>
>Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies!
>
>-- Mike
Excuse me, that's 850 x 1163.
-- Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
========================================================================
------------------------------------------------------------------------
mike.rovak@drd.com
========================================================================
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6407 | From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: FBI Director's Statement on Waco Standoff
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Lines: 26
In the interests of completeness, I thought readers of these
newsgroups would want to see FBI Director William Sessions'
statement, as released by the FBI press office.
FBI Director's Statement On Waco Standoff
To: National Desk
Contact: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Press Office,
202-324-3691
WASHINGTON, April 19 -- The following is a statement by
FBI Director William S. Sessions regarding the Branch Davidian
incident in Waco, Texas:
"I had hoped to be making a very different statement this evening.
After very careful planning and extensive preparation we all thought
that today's efforts by the FBI to bring the Branch Davidians out of
their compound would result in the peaceful resolution of the
stand-off or at least meaningful negotiation.
"Instead, we are faced with devastation and death. However, I
have no question that our plan was correct and was conducted with
extreme professionalism and care. I applaud the restraint shown by
agents in the face of life-threatening gunfire, and I thank them for
risking their lives to try to end this peacefully. I have only the
greatest admiration for the courage and professionalism of all
involved."
-30-
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6408 | From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...)
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
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NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu
In-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
In article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>,
costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said:
>> *sigh* I just DON'T understand why they couldn't have waited Koresh&Co
>> out. [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com]
>
> Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a
> day to just sit and wait.
Yeah. We don't want to spend too much money preserving lives, after
all. Escpecially when they're all just a bunch of crazy fanatic
cultists anyway, instead of normal people.
[The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I'm too burned
out right now (get it? "burned out" ha ha!) to tell if it's working.
Look, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_. It
takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this
world and they didn't have enough of it and that wasn't their fault. So
please stop dancing on their graves, okay?]
-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
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6409 | From: ktt3@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Koon Tang)
Subject: PostScript driver for GINO
Organization: The Univerity of Brighton, U.K.
Lines: 15
Does anybody know where I can get, via anonymous ftp or otherwise, a PostScript
driver for the graphics libraries GINO verison 3.0A ?
We are runnining on a VAX/VMS and are looking for a way outputing our plots to a
PostScript file...
Thanks in advance...
--
Koon Tang, internet: ktt3@unix.bton.ac.uk
Department of Mathematical Sciences, uucp: uknet!itri!ktt3
University of Brighton,
Brighton,
BN2 4GJ,
U.K.
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6410 | From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
Lines: 63
In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>>In article <C5C7Cn.5GB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:
>I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc.
>I found this useful passage regarding the legitimacy of the "fatwa":
>"It was also common knowledge as prescribed by Islamic law, that the
>sentence was only applicable where the jurisdiction of Islamic law
>applies. Moreover, the sentence has to be passed by an Islamic court
>and executed by the state machinery through the due process of the law.
>Even in Islamic countries, let alone in non-Muslim lands, individuals
>cannot take the law into their own hands. The sentence when passed,
>must be carried out by the state through the usual machinery and not by
>individuals. Indeed it becomes a criminal act to take the law into
>one's own hands and punish the offender unless it is in the process of
>self-defence. Moreover, the offender must be brought to the notice of
>the court and it is the court who shoud decide how to deal with him.
>This law applies equally to Muslim as well as non-Muslim territories.
I agree fully with the above statement and is *precisely* what I meant
by my previous statements about Islam not being anarchist and the
law not being _enforcible_ despite the _law_ being applicable.
>Hence, on such clarification from the ulama [Islamic scholars], Muslims
>in Britain before and after Imam Khomeini's fatwa made it very clear
>that since Islamic law is not applicable to Britain, the hadd
>[compulsory] punishment cannot be applied here."
I disagree with this conclusion about the _applicability_ of the
Islamic law to all muslims, wherever they may be. The above conclusion
does not strictly follow from the foregoing, but only the conclusion
that the fatwa cannot be *enforced* according to Islamic law. However,
I do agree that the punishment cannot be applied to Rushdie even *were*
it well founded.
>Wow... from the above, it looks like that from an Islamic viewpoint
>Khomeini's "fatwa" constitutes a "criminal act" .... perhaps I could
>even go out on a limb and call Khomeini a "criminal" on this basis....
Certainly putting a price on the head of Rushdie in Britain is a criminal
act according to Islamic law.
>Anyhow, I think it is understood by _knowledgeable_ Muslims that
>Khomeini's "fatwa" is Islamically illegitimate, at least on the basis
>expounded above. Others, such as myself and others who have posted here
>(particularly Umar Khan and Gregg Jaeger, I think) go further and say
>that even the punishment constituted in the fatwa is against Islamic law
>according to our understanding.
Yes.
Gregg
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6411 | From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Re: scientology???
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 8
> i need some brief information on scientology (or applientology as frank zappa
> would call it) anyone have the time to send me some info on ol' l.ron and the b
> asics of what scientology is all about would be appreciated---p.s.i am not inte
> rested in any propaganda
I've taken the liberty of passing your name and address to your local org
(Scientology office). They'll be contacting you in a few days. I also
threw in a small contribution, so they'd know you're serious. :-)
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6412 | From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Language and agreement
Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Lines: 16
m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
Mr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads
you to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it "OK" to take biblical quotes out of
context in some other t.r.m. articles.
Also, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its
implicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice's opinions when the man
is himself clearly available for questioning.
Finally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the
following statement:
The word "agree" and the phrase "not disagree" are identical in
meaning.
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6413 | From: franks@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (Frank Siebenlist)
Subject: Powerbook 170 freezes after 18 seconds; Help!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg
Organization: /home/franks/.organization
Distribution: comp
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A few days ago, my powerbook starts to freeze after appr. 18 seconds of inactivity.
It stays alive as long as a program is actively running or as long as the mouse is moved.
Did anyone experience similar problems?
Any known fixes?
Please reply by email as I can't read this newsgroup normally.
Regards, Mike Fisher (efisher@ntu.ac.sg)
--
---------------------------------------------------
Frank Siebenlist <franks@ntu.ac.sg>
Senior Research Fellow
GINTIC Institute of Manufacturing Technology (GIMT)
Nanyang Technological University (NTU)
Nanyang Avenue
Singapore 2263
Tel: +65 799-1215 Fax: +65 791-6377
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6414 | From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Subject: Madison/Chicago --> Italy Air Ticket Wanted
Keywords: Madison/Chicago, Milan, Italy
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr5.193913.14385
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Lines: 13
Hi,
I am looking for a round trip Madison/Chicago --> Milan (Italy)
air ticket. Anybody who has a transferable ticket but will
not use it please contact me at beng@cae.wisc.edu. Open-jaw
ticket highly desired.
Thank you.
B. T. Ting
beng@cae.wisc.edu
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6415 | From: eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wayne Chen)
Subject: Re: Disappointed by La Cie
Nntp-Posting-Host: dialin33626.slip.nts.uci.edu
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X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 05:56:22 GMT
In article <2BC1F81D.20078@news.service.uci.edu> Wayne Chen,
eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu writes:
> industry. After all it does sound unfair to me for someone that
has
^^^^^^^^
Oops, I meant fair, not unfair.
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6416 | From: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger)
Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner????
Article-I.D.: bigboote.1pqgt9$r46
Distribution: world
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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NNTP-Posting-Host: coyote.wpi.edu
Originator: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU
Maine beat LSSU 5-4.
--
------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------
| |
| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! |
-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------
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6417 | From: Cameron Lewis <lewis@tanelorn.aod.dsto.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Video Resolution Switching
Organization: Aeronautical Research Laboratory, DSTO
Lines: 20
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: who.aod.dsto.gov.au
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X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:23:23 GMT
In article <John_Shepardson.esh-090493161019@moose.slac.stanford.edu>
John Shepardson, John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>As the author of "DPI on the Fry" I can tell you that there is no way
for a
>graphics card to know what resolution its connected monitor will actually
>support. That's why we have these silly cables. The cable just
identifies
>that monitor as supporting a given resolution.
>
>Therefore the software will support any multisync monitor. I've heard
that
>radius has a similar program for the quadra.
Is this software available either commercially or public domain? If so
where?
Cameron Lewis email: lewis@tanelorn.aod.dsto.gov.au
Air Operations Division (Melb.) gbb: +61 3 647 7729
Aeronautical Research Laboratory - D.S.T.O fax: +61 3 646 3433
506 Lorimer St, Fishermens Bend, Vic., Australia, 3207
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6418 | From: jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Lines: 64
boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) writes:
>740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I
>believe the Beetle corners better.
>I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.
>I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.
>Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something
>from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go
>for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.
Oh, well... I have to admit that the most disgusting feature of
Volvo's is their marketing. It looks like Volvo uses something like
"Do you dare to risk your family in any car?" attitude, which is quite
annoying in the long run.
But now Volvo has produced a new good car, the Volvo 850. Front drive,
2.4 L 20 valves motor, completely new chassis etc. Even the British magazine
"CAR" liked it (and believe me, that is quite much for a Volvo). And
the American magazine "Road & Track" said that "This is not your uncle
Olof's car", and in a positive sense.
But in any case, I'd still like to own the 960 estate. Strong, tank-like
chassis, 3.0L inline six, rear drive. :-) :-)
BTW, the only car drivers who have blocked me are Land Rover or Jaguar
drivers... :-) :-) :-) :-)
What? You mean what I drive? A cheapo Japanese (a Toyota) of course,
I do not have money for a *car*. (like BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Saab 9000,
Volvo 850 (or 960), etc)
If I had the money, I would have *bad* problems deciding which one
to buy :-) :-) :-).
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6419 | Subject: Re: Bill Conner:
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu
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In article <C4y976.MLr@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position
>statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my
>name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what.
>
>Bill
Could you explain what any of the above pertains to? Is this a position
statement on something or typing practice?
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
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6420 | Subject: Re: W4WG & Novell
From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ)
Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald <n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
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In article <1rh2mi$ea4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J
Bilan) writes:
> If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access
> drive f: to log in to Novell.
> If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG
> drives from the file-manager.
>
> It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE =
> statement in my Config.Sys.
First off, I haven't used W4WG (but I think that's about to change!).
The problem is the LASTDRIVE command and the way NetWare in general (and
in this case NETX in particular) adds drives to the device chain.
Setting LASTDRIVE=Z means there are no "unassigned" (as opposed to
"unused") drive letters for NetWare to use, as it tacks its drive
mappings -onto the end- of the existing list of drives. W4WG obviously
attaches its network drives to "existing, unused" drive letters.
I'd guess the next thing I'd try is something like LASTDRIVE=M, which on
most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for W4WG and still
allow up to 13 NetWare drive mappings as well.
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z.
n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332
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6421 | From: radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal)
Subject: Re: Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Lines: 24
In article <C51vzu.I1r@newsserver.technet.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
> Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful,
> Study Finds
While I agree with much of this post, one point seems mis-directed...
> When standards of living, population densities, and industrial
> structures are controlled for, the United States is no less energy
> efficient than Japan and more energy efficient than many of the Group
> of Seven nations.
And when controlled for usage of oil, gas, etc. energy efficiency in
all countries turns out to be identical :-)
To take population density as an example, one way to reduce energy
used in transportation is surely to concentrate the population in
dense urban areas (though this might, of course, have other
disadvantages, possibly even relating to energy use). The fact that
Japan is forced to do this by the nature of the country, while the US
is not, does not mean that people in the US would be unable to do this
if given sufficient motive to conserve energy.
Radford Neal
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6422 | From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)
Subject: Re: Point within a polygon
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu
Keywords: point, polygon
In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk>, scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:
|> I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a
|> polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing
|> information on the subject ?
|>
|> Regards
|>
|> Simon
Basically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside,
outside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In
this method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point
of the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd,
then it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which
may make you headache.
The second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and
all the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the
successive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then
it is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside.
My experience tells the second method is relible.
Hope this helps.
Yeh
USC
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6423 | From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme's?]"]
Article-I.D.: pitt.19421
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 15
In article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>IMHO, you have Lyme disease. I told you this in private email and predicted
>that you might next start having the migrating pains and further joint
IMHO, the original poster has no business soliciting diagnoses off the net,
nor does Dr./Mr. O'Donnell have any business supplying same. This is one
major reason real physicians avoid this newsgroup like the plague. It is
also another example of the double standard: if I as a physician offered
to diagnose and treat on the net, I can be sued. But people without
qualifications are free to do whatever they want and disclaim it all with
"I'm not a doctor."
Get and keep this crap off the net. Period.
-km
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6424 | From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: slack
Posted for a friend:
Looking for tires, dimensions 14" x 3.25" or 3.35"
Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.
Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.
Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me.
--
I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.
DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Salt Lake City, Utah
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6425 | From: lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Lee Van Dyke)
Subject: Wanted: map of the world type gifs
Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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Hi, can anyone direct me to map type gifs?
I am interesting in cartography and would find
these gifs useful.
tia,
--
Lee Van Dyke
lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu,
UUCP: infotec!Infotec.COM!lee@sunkist.West.Sun.COM
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6426 | From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Lines: 42
In article <1993Apr20.001757.7543@bby.com.au>, gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes:
> In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes:
>
>> Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation
>> who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a
>> year.
>
> And with $1B on offer, the problem of "keeping them alive" is highly
> likely to involve more than just the lunar environment!
>
> "Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they
> all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents."
>
> "Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've
> got a tank! Man the guns!"
>
> One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that
> sort of environment.....
>
> Greg.
>
> (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is
> that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness
> military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a
> reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk
> proposition.)
> -
> Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia
Hey! My dad has an old hangar and Judy has some old rockets in her attic,
let's put on a Lunar program! . . . Sounds good, but . . .
Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would
have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the
budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a
straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . .
exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea.
I'd like to play but I don't have a clue to the answers.
Tom Freebairn | He who refuses to understand math
| will probably never get his checkbook figured out.
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6427 | From: Steffi.Beckhaus@newcastle.ac.uk (S. Beckhaus)
Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC?
Nntp-Posting-Host: turing
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.
Lines: 47
In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:
>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:
>>
>>Dear friend,
>> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has
>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase
>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about
>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.
>
>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember
>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.
>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not
>as orthogonal is CISC.
>
I hope this will clear it up :
(Taken from one of my lecture notes)
" ... The alternative approach (to CISC),
which has been adopted by many in
recent years, has come to be known as "RISC": the Reduced
Instruction Set Computer. This can be characterised simply as
"Simpler is Faster"; by simplifying the design (e.g. by reducing
the variety of instructions & addressing modes), the hardware can be
designed to run faster. Even at the cost of needing more
instructions, the same task can be done more quickly by the simpler,
faster design.
A typical RISC processor will:
o provide a large number of registers (e.g. 32);
o perform all data operations on registers;
o provide few addressing modes (e.g. immediate or 'register + offset');
o only allow load & store operations to access memory;
o only use a few instruction formats;
o only support a few data types (e.g. integer, unsigned, floating).
Steffi Beckhaus JANET: Steffi.Beckhaus@uk.ac.newcastle
If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances
are 50-50 it will.
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6428 | From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 16
In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>SHO anyway.
actually, disabled persons have been known to drive in SCCA
races. i'd be careful about making sweeping generalizations here.
i'd prefer a manual transmission, but the early SHO had an
awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something.
it was almost enough to make me want an automatic.
-teddy
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6429 | From: kobet@xsun2a.ct.picker.com (Harry J Kobetitsch)
Subject: xwd
Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.54.64.38
Organization: Picker International, Inc.
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
I am trying to run xwd on a Sun SPARCstation IPX
with SunOS 4.1.2 and Openwindows 3.0. I am using
the Motif window manager. I have been unsuccessful
in using xwd under Motif. I get the following when
doing xwd -out xwd.dmp
X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage)
Resource id in failed request: 0x500043
Serial number of failed request: 213
Current serial number in output stream: 213
Does anyone have any insight to this ?
|
6430 | From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Subject: Hockey on TV in the Bay area, NOT!
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Lines: 9
Hi all,
I don't get the sport's channel and I'm desparate for some playoff action
(especially the Cannucks). Does anyone know of a sports bar on the Bay
Peninsula that will be showing hockey games. I'm looking for something
between redwood City and Mountain View.
Thanks a lot,
Greg
|
6431 | From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: NumLock masking? interference with Meta/Compose/ExtendChar, ...
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 17
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
> My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state
> of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?
Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and
found what I was looking for.
ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one
for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies
from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and
which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask).
eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris
1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an
unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any
given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance.
Thanks, Ralph
|
6432 | From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance
Organization: FNAL/AD/Net
Lines: 110
In article <Apr.17.01.11.29.1993.2278@geneva.rutgers.edu>
kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:
>Someone called `REXLEX' has claimed that there IS a way out of the loop, but
>he did not bother to explain what it was, preferring instead to paraphrase
>Sartre, ramble about Wittgenstein, and say that the conclusion of my argument
>leads to relativism.
I will answer this as I find time.
>
>`REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Silent_, by
>Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of it, but I think that
>Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Evangelical Christians. Somebody
>else might like it, though, so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it.
>
>If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Certainty_, by
>Ludwig Wittgenstein.
>
>
>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
>"If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some
> Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood*
> some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))" -- Michael L Siemon
>
Notice what I said about this book. I called it "Easy reading." The reason I
dropped philosphy as my major was because I ran into too many pharisaical
Simon's. I don't know how many walking encyclopedia's I ran across in
philosphy classes. The problem isn't in knowing sooooo much more than your
average lay person, the problem comes when you become puffed up about it.
Schaeffer is just fine for the average lay person. That was who he was
writting to. I suppose that you would have criticised John that his gospel was
to simple. I've talked with Schaeffer one on one. I've been in lectures with
the man when he was being drilled by philosphy students and prof's from secular
as well as Christian universities. (ND alone would fill both those catagories)
His answers were enough that the prof's themselves often were taken back and
caused to re-think what their question was. I saw this time and time again at
different open forums. So yes, Schaeffers books are by in large, well,
simplistic. It certainly isn't grad level reading. But we must get off our
high horses when it comes to recommended reading. Do you seriously think most
people would get through the first chapter of Wittgenstein? I may have more to
say about this secular scientist at another time.
Also, one must finally get beyond the doubt caused by *insistent*
inquisitiveness. One cannot live his life constantly from a cartisian doubt
base.
Look, the Christian wholeheartedly supports genuine rationality. But we must
add a qualification to give this balance. Christianity is second to none in
keeping reason in its place. We never know the value of a thing until we know
its limits. Put unlimited value on something and in the end you will exhaust
it of all value!
THis is why Xianity is thoroughly rational but not the least bit rationalistic.
It also explains the curious fact that it is rationalism, and not Christian
faith, which leads to irrationality. If we forget the limits of a thing, we
fly in the face of reality and condem ourselves to learn the simple ironic
lesson of life:
"More without limits is less; less with limits is more."
Or as I have so often stated it, freedom without form soon becomes form w/o
freedom.
Let's put it another way. The rationality of faith is implacably opposed to
absurdity but has no quarrel with mystery. Think about that. It can tell the
difference between the two if you will let it. Christianity's contention with
rationalism is not that it has too much reason in it, but that it has very
little else. When a Christian comes to faith his understanding and his trust
go hand in hand, but as he continues in faith his trust may sometimes be called
to go on by itself without his understanding.
This is where the principle of suspended judgment applies. At such time if the
Christian faith is to be itself and let God be God, it must suspend judgment
and say, "Father I do not understand you but I trust you." Now don't read all
your objections of me into that statement. I wasn't saying I do not understand
you at all, but I trust you anyway." It means that "I do not understand You *in
this situation* but I do understand *why I trust You* anyway" Therefore I can
trust that you understand even though I do not. The former is a mystery
unrelieved by rationality and indistinguishable from absurdity. The latter is
a statement of rationality of faith walking hand in hand with the mystery of
Faith. So.... the principle of suspended judgment is not irrational. It is
not a leap of faith but a walk of faith. As believers we cannot always know
why, but we canalways know why we trust God who knows why and this makes all
the difference.
Now, there is one obvious snag to all this and this is where I have parted
company with philosophy- what is eminently reasonable in theory is a rather bit
more difficult in practice. In practice the pressure of mystery acts on faith
like the insistent "whying" of a 3 year old. It isn't just that we would like
to know what we do not know but that we feel we *must* know what we cannot
know. The one produces frustration because curiosity is denied; the other
leads to genuine anguish. More specifically the poorer our understanding is in
coming to faith the more necessary it will be to understand everything after
coming to faith. If we do not know why we trust God, then we will always need
to know exactly what God is doing in order to trust him. Failing to grasp
that, we may not be able to trust him, for anything we do not understand may
count decisevely against what we are able to trust.
If, on the other hand, we do know why we trust God, we will be able to trust
him in situations where we do not understand what He is doing. (Too many Xian
leaders teach as if the Christian had a window in the back of his head which
allows for understanding at every foot fall) For what God is doing may be
ambiguous, but it will not be inherently contradictory! It may be mystery to
us, but mystery is only inscrutable; what would be insufferable is absurdity.
And that my friend, was the conclusion of Nietzche both in theory and in
practice.
--Rex
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6433 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: free moral agency
Distribution: na
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
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In article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu
(Bill Conner) wrote:
> As for your question of moral free-agency, given the Christian
> position above, the freedom we have is to acknowledge God. The
> morality we practice is a direct outgrowth of how we excercise that
> freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to
> ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known
> in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only
> that he prefers not to accept it, it says nothing about the evidence
> itself.
I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother
who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings.
I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided
the truth itself. Life is hard.
Cheers,
Kent
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sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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6434 | From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)
Subject: Re: HELP: is my monitor dying???
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
It sounds like a MAGNAVOX with a sick flyback on its way out!
--
Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...
Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
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6435 | From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Lines: 17
Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
: Just curious.
:
:
: Daemon
:
Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting
hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup.
Phil Martin.
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6436 | From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: "National repentance"
Reply-To: jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Lines: 29
Concerning Christians praying for coporate forgiveness of national sins,
Michael Covington claims the following of C.S. Lewis:
> C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II,
> when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging "national repentance"
> for the horrors (sins???) of World War II.
> --
> :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****
> :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
> :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
> :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** **
<><
I was surprised when I heard this same kind of remark from a fellow grad.
student I know, especially since he had seminary training. I have read the
same essay and do not find Lewis making any such claim. Rather, Lewis is
condemning the use of such coporate prayer efforts as platforms to make
political jabs at opponents, feigned as confessions of guilt (ie., Lord please
forgive us for allowing "insert political issue/idea/platform" to exist in our
country, it is wrong and we ask your forgiveness.). I would be interested in
knowing what part of the essay you feel condemns national repentance (please
quote).
Jonathan Waugh
Graduate Research Associate, Pulmonary Medicine Div.
The Ohio State University
SAMP, Rm 431, 1583 Perry St.
Columbus, OH 43210
jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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6437 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007
Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
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Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. |
| They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. |
| They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't |
| remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had |
| the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my |
| clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The |
| atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among |
| themselves who would go first. |
| |
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DEPOSITION OF KARINE (KARINA) GRIGOREVNA M. [1]
Born 1964
Secretary-Typist
Azsantekmontazh Trust
Sumgait Construction and Installation Administration
Secretary of the SMU Komsomol Organization
Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15
Microdistrict No. 3
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
On the 27th my sister Marina and I went to the movies the seven o'clock show,
at the theater that is across from the City Party Committee, about 50 yards
away. The SK theater. They were showing an Argentinian film, "The Abyss."
Before the film we noticed about 60 to 70 people standing near the podium at
the City Party Committee, but they were silent, there's no conversation
whatsoever, and we couldn't figure out what was going on. That is, we knew it
was about Karabagh, but what it was exactly, what they were talking about, if
someone gave a speech or not, we didn't know. We bought our tickets. There
were 30 or 40 people in the theater. This was a very small number for that
large movie theater. The film started. About 30 minutes later they stopped the
film. A crowd burst in. About 60 people. They came up onto the stage. Well
mostly they were young people, from 16 to 23 years old. They demanded that an
Armenian woman come up onto the stage. They used foul language and said that
they were going to show what Azerbaijanis were capable of, what they could do
to Armenian girls. I thought that's what they meant because they had demanded
a girl specifically. Marina and I were sitting together. I told her to move
over, there were some Russian girls sitting nearby. So that if someone
recognized me or if something happened, they would take me, and not Marina.
It got quiet, 2 or 3 girls jumped up to run out, but the door was closed--it's
only opened at the end of the show--and they returned to their seats.
Everyone in the theater was looking at one another, Russians, Azerbaijanis,
people of various nationalities. But no one reacted at all, no one in the
auditorium made a sound. They were silent, looking at one another, and
gradually started to leave. Some guy, a really fat one, says, "OK, we've
scared them enough, let's leave." They leave slowly, pompously. It seemed to
me that those people were not themselves. Either they had smoked a bunch of
"anasha", or had taken something else, because they all looked beastly, like
they were ready to tear anyone apart. Then it was all over, as though nothing
had happened at all. The film started up again, it was one of those cheerful
films which should have only brought pleasure, made you happy to be alive. We
could barely sit to the end. So it had started at seven it was over by nine,
and it was dark . . .
Marina and I were walking home, Lenin Street, that's the center of town. Lenin
Street was packed, just packed with young people. They were shouting,
something about Karabagh and something about Armenians. We weren't especially
listening, because the way we were feeling we didn't know if we were going to
make it home or not, and just what had happened anyway? Public transportation
wasn't running. Incidentally, when we came out of the theater we saw police,
policemen standing there. The director of the movie theater was looking at the
doors, because when they were leaving they had broken the glass, the doors
there are basically all glass. Everything was broken. He stood there grief-
stricken, but looking as though nothing really big had happened, like some
naughty boys had just broken them quite by accident, with a slingshot. Well,
since he looked more or less calm I decided that, nothing all that super
serious had happened. We went out very slowly; we wanted to catch a bus, we
live literally one stop away. We didn't want to go on foot, not because it was
dark, but because something might happen. We flagged down a cab, but the
driver didn't want to take us. We told him we live near the bus station, and
he said he'd take us to the bus station and not a yard farther. I said, well,
OK . . .
So we got into the cab and managed to get there. Something incredible was
happening at the bus station. There was a traffic jam. Public transportation
was at a standstill and everyone was shouting "Ka-ra-bagh," they're not going
to give up Karabagh. I go home and tell my family what's going on, and there's
immediate panic in the house. Mamma says, what should we do? Like the end had
come, they were going to come, kill us, that's it . . . Somehow we managed to
cheer ourselves up: Nothing that bad could happen. Where are we living anyway,
just what kind of social order do we have? Somehow we manage to calm Mamma
down. And we went to bed. But no one could sleep. Everyone made as though
nothing had happened.
That was on Saturday. In short, the day went by. We didn't go anywhere and
didn't call our relatives. No one did anything. Because . . . life goes on.
That day I realized something was approaching, but what exactly, I couldn't
guess.
On the 28th everything was like it was supposed to be, we lived like we always
had. There were five of us at home: Mamma, Papa and us, three sisters: Lyuda,
Marina, and I. My sister Lyuda was in Yerevan at the time. We sat at home and
no one went out. Later we learned that a demonstration had started that
morning. It all started . . . They were smashing up stores. We were sitting at
home and didn't know anything about it. Then a girlfriend of mine, Lyuda
Zimogliad, came by at around three o'clock I think. We worked together, we did
our apprenticeships together, she's a Russian girl. She said that something
awful was happening in town. I asked, "Don't they want Armenians? Well what
are they after, if they're already in that state?" She says, no, nothing like
that, it's just a demonstration, but it's awful to watch it. Somehow, it feels
like a war has broken out. Public transportation has been stopped . . . The
cabs, the buses, well it's just a nightmare.
Then Papa decides to go to the drugstore, my mother was having allergy
problems at the time . . . He left the house and our neighbor, Aunt Vera,
asked him, "Where are you going? Stop! There are such terrible things going
on in the courtyard; aren't you afraid to go out?" Papa didn't know what she
was talking about. She simply pushed him back into the entryway. He came home
and told Mamma. Mamma said, "Well, if Aunt Vera was talking like that it means
that something is really going on." But we didn't go see her, she's a Russian,
she lives across from us. I had to see my friend out. Around five o'clock I
tell Lyuda, "Ok, look, it's time for you to go, it's late already, I'll see
you out." Mamma says, "You don't need to go, it's too late already, you can
see what the situation in town is." So we decided to stay home. Dinner was
ready. Mamma says, "Let her eat with us, then she can go." We sat down at the
table. But no one was hungry, no one was in the mood, we just put everything
out on the table to calm ourselves down, and make it appear that we're eating.
We turned on the television, and the show "In Fairy-Tale Land" was coming on.
We cleared the table.
We hear some noise out in the courtyard. I go out on the balcony, but I can't
see what's going on, because the noise is coming from the direction of the bus
station, and there is a 9-story building in the way. There is mob of people
. . . I can't figure out what's happening. They're shouting something, looking
somewhere, I can't make out what is going on. I go down to a neighbor, she's
an Azerbaijani; we've been friends of her family for about 25 years. I go down
to look from their place. I see people shouting, looking at the 5-and 9-story
buildings near the bus station. Just then soldiers set upon them, about 20
people, with clubs. The mob runs off in different directions. I even see
several people from our building. They are looking and laughing . . . I decide
that means it's not all that bad if they are laughing: it means they're not
killing anyone. But now the crowd suddenly dashes toward the soldiers. One of
the soldiers cannot manage to get away, they start stomping on him with their
feet, everyone's kicking him . . . I become ill and go home, and explain in
general terms that horrible things are going on out there . . . can't speak
. . . Well, they've probably killed that soldier, the way that crowd is . . .
If each of them kicked him just once . . . They took his club away from him
and started to beat him with it. But it was far away and I couldn't see if he
got up and left or not.
I become terrified and go home and say, "Lyuda, don't go anywhere, stay at our
place, because if you go out they could kill you or . . . " Then the crowd
runs over closer toward our building and stands at the 12-story building and
starts shouting something. We go out onto the balcony. All of our neighbors
are also out on theirs, too. Everyone is standing, staring. The mob is
shouting and about 5 minutes later comes running toward our building. As it
turns out, at the 12-story building the Azerbaijani neighbors went down and
kept them from coming in. There's only one entryway there, they could stop
them.
They all run up to our building. Mamma immediately starts closing the windows,
afraid that they might throw stones. They have stones and they break the
windows, all of them. There are very many people. We have a large courtyard,
and it's packed with people. They spill up to the first floor so they don't
crush each other. They crawl up on trees, posts, and garages. It's just a huge
cloud of people. They break and burn the motorcycle of the Armenian Sergey
Sargisian, from our building. We close the windows and immediately hear
tramping in our entryway. They come up to our fifth floor with a tremendous
din and roar. It's incomprehensible. Mamma told me later that they were
shouting Father's name, "Grisha, open the door, we've come to kill you!," or
something like that. I don't remember that, I was spaced out, kind of. Mamma
says, "Into the bedroom, quickly!" In the bedroom we have two tall beds, part
of our dowry; Mamma says, "Hide there, they probably won't come in there,
they'll ask something, say something, and leave." She says, "We'll tell them
that we live alone here." I can't imagine that my parents will stand out in
the hall alone talking with some sort of beasts . . . I go to them and say
that I'll stand together with them, I'll talk with them if they come, maybe I
can find a common language with them, all the more so if they know me: I speak
Azerbaijani more or less, and I can find out what they want. I told Marina and
Lyuda to hide under the bed, and my sister Lyuda, I can't remember if I told
her anything or not.
Then . . . they open the door: it's like they blew on it and it broke and fell
right into the hall. The crows bursts in and starts to shout: Get out of here,
leave, vacate the apartment and go back to your Armenia; things like that. I
tell them, "What has happened, speak calmly. One of you, tell me, calmly, what
has happened." In Azerbaijani, they say, "Get out of the apartment, leave." I
say, "OK. Go downstairs. We'll gather everything we need and leave the
apartment." I realize that it is senseless to discuss any sort of rights with
them, these are animals. They must be stopped. The ones standing in the
doorway, the young guys, say, "There are old people and one girl with them.
Too bad!" They take two or three steps back. It seems as though I have
pacified them with our exchange. Then someone in the courtyard shouts,
commanding them: "Don't you understand what you are saying? Kill them?"
And that was it! That was all it took. They grab Papa, carry him into one
room, and Mamma and me into another. They put Mamma on the bed and start
undressing her, beating her legs. They start tearing my clothes, right there,
in front of Mamma. I don't remember where they went, what they did, or how
much time passed. I had the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body,
and tore my clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The
atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among
themselves who would go first.
Later, I remember, I came to. I don't know if I'm dead or alive. Someone comes
in, someone tall, I think, clean-shaven, in an Eskimo dogskin coat, balding.
He looks around at what's happening. At that instant everything stops. It
seems to me that he is either their commander or . . . that somehow everything
depends on him. He looks and says, "Well, we're done here." They are beating
Mamma on the head. They break up the chairs and beat her with the chair legs
. . . She loses consciousness, and they decide that she's dead. Papa . . . was
out cold. They want to throw Lyuda off the balcony, but they can't get the
window open. Apparently the window frames are stuck after the rain and the
windows can't be opened. They leave her next to the window. She was thinking
about being thrown out the window and passed out. She's not a real strong
person anyway . . . He looks at me and sees that I'm saying something, that
I'm still twitching. Well, I start saying the opposite of what I should be,
which is humbling myself and pleading. I start shouting, cursing . . . they
don't get any entreaty out of me. I already know that I'm dead, why would I
humble myself before anyone? And he says that if that's what I think, since my
tongue is so long . . . maybe he thinks that I still look quite appealing
. . . In short, he commands that I be taken outside.
I no longer saw or remembered what was happening to Marina and Lyuda, I don't
know if they are alive or not. They take me outside. They are dragging me by
my arms, by my legs. They are hitting me against the wall, the railings,
something metal . . . While they are carrying me someone is biting me, someone
else is pinching me . . .I don't even know. I think, my God, when will death
come? If only it were sooner . . . Then . . . they carry me out, throw me near
the entryway . . . and start kicking me. I lose consciousness . . . What
happened after that, how many people there were, I don't remember.
I come to after a while, I don't remember how long. A neighbor is bringing me
clothing. I'm entirely covered with blood, she puts a dress on me. I remember
that I said the same words over and over again: "Mamma, what happened, Mamma,
what have they done to us, where are we, whose house are we at?" I can't make
sense out of anything. There is a guy standing over me, I sort of know him, he
served in Afghanistan, his name is Igor, he brought me indoors. When they all
went to the third entryway and killed a person there, Igor gathered his
courage, took me into his arms, and brought me to the neighbors', even though
he's small-minded, he put himself at risk. Igor Agayev is Azerbaijani; he
served in Afghanistan. There are three brothers. The older brother also served
there, I think; now he's stationed here, on the border, in Armenia. Igor
brought me to the neighbors', and then helped me come to my senses, saying,
"Karina, I know you, calm down, I'm not one of them." How do I know who's who
and what's what? I come to, and they clean me up. I was covered in blood. Then
Papa . . . I saw Papa, I saw Mamma. And Marina, too . . . Igor was there when
they dragged Marina and Lyuda out from under the bed . . . Marina . . . Lyuda
said that she was Russian, they said, we'll let you go, we aren't touching the
Russians, go. And while they are dragging Marina out she decides she's going
to tell them she's Azerbaijani. Igor immediately grabs Marina's and Lyuda's
hands, because he knows Marina, and knows that she is Armenian and is our
sister, and takes her to the second floor to a neighbor's and starts pounding
on the door so she will open up. She opens the door and Igor pushes them in
there. So they survived.
My sister Lyuda lost consciousness after the bandits started stealing things.
While they were going downstairs, taking things downstairs, then coming back
up again, Lyuda seized the opportunity and crawled under the bed and stayed
there. Then, when she was herself again, she found a torn night shirt and put
it on, and some sort of robe and went to a neighbor's on the fourth floor, the
one whose apartment I had watched the crowd from, the friend of ours, and
knocked on the door. The neighbor opened and said, "I'm not going to let you
in the apartment because I'm afraid of them. But I'll give you some stockings
and we'll leave the building." Lyuda says, "I'll stay at your place because of
what's going on, they keep going up and down the stairs." It was just for a
moment, just a moment in life, but the neighbor wouldn't consent. Lyuda came
back to our place and lay under the bed . . .
I came to. Mother was there. I can't remember my supervisor's telephone
number, but something had to be done. Somehow I remembered and called, and he
came to get us. He didn't have any idea what was going on. He thought we were
simply afraid, he didn't know that they were killing us and that we had passed
between life and death. He came and got us and took us to the police precinct.
There they looked us over. I was having trouble walking, my lungs hurt badly,
it was hard to breathe . . .
My supervisor's name is Urshan Feyruzovich Mamedov. He's the head of our
administration. They took us there. When we were leaving, I saw a great number
of buses full of soldiers at the entrance to town. The buses were ordinary
passenger buses. There were very many soldiers. We left around eleven, right
after eleven. If these people could stop what was happening they could save a
great many lives . . . Because the crowd was moving on, toward the school, and
what was going on there . . . I think everyone know not only in Sumgait, not
only in Yerevan. Because there they murdered them all one after the next,
without stopping. After us.
I think 14 people died in Microdistrict No. 3, and 10 to 12 of them were from
Buildings 4, 5, and 6. In our building one person died, and one old woman died
from Building 16, that's the building in front of ours. There young
Azerbaijani men stopped the mob and wouldn't let it into their building.
Incidentally, when we were at the neighbors', Marina called our relatives
to warn them, so they would all know what was happening. I called a aunt in
Microdistrict No. 5. They have three neighbors who are Armenians. I said, "Run
quickly, I can't explain what's going on; hide, do what you can, just stay
alive. Hide at Azerbaijanis', ones who won't give you away." At that moment
three people came in, policemen. I think they were Azerbaijanis. I was in such
awful condition, my face was completely distorted my lips were puffed up,
there was blood, my eye was swollen, no one thought I would ever see anything
out of that eye again . . . my forehead was badly cut, and one-half of my face
was pushed out forward. No one would have thought that I would survive, get my
normal appearance back, and be able to grasp anything at all. I started to
scream at those people, why did you come, who sent you here, no one wants you
here, haven't you killed people people yet, what are you doing here? One of
the soldiers said, "Don't scream at us. We're Muslims, but we're not from the
Sumgait police. They called in from Daghestan." So at that point the
Daghestan police were there.
When we got to the police precinct there were an awful lot of police there,
there were soldiers, police with dogs, ambulances, firemen . . . I don't know,
maybe they were waiting for people to bring them the goners and the seriously
injured to treat them there in the police precinct. I don't know what they
were there for. There were also doctors from Baku there. They examined Lyuda
and me and said, "These women need to go to the Maternity Home, but we don't
know what to do with the rest."
So they took us, and I lost contact with my parents, my boss, everyone. My
boss said, "Don't worry, I'll find you, no matter where you are, no matter
what happens." We went to the hospital. There we were examined by a department
head from the Sumgait Maternity Home, Pashayeva, I think her name was. She
examined us. The ambulance was from Baku; I figured out that the Sumgait
ambulances hadn't done anything, they didn't respond to any calls. People
called and neither the police nor the ambulances showed any sign of life.
That doctor looked me over and I could tell from her behavior that something
very good had happened, for she became quite glad. I even thought to myself,
"God, can it be that nothing all that bad is wrong?" She looks me over and
says, "Now why are you suffering so? You don't know what your people have been
doing, your people did even worse things." And I think, great, I have to deal
with her . . . And I felt so bad, I thought, why don't I just die so as not to
have to hear more stuff like this from people like her? Here I am in this
condition and being told about something that our people did. I just didn't
have the energy to say, "How could our people possibly be smart enough to
think of something that yours haven't already done?" I stayed there. Then they
brought in another woman, Ira B., she was married, and she was raped in her
own apartment, too. There were three of us, Ira, Lyuda, and 1. The next
morning they took Lyuda and Ira away. They didn't do anything to help us. This
was in the old Maternity Home, in the combined block. They didn't do anything
more than examine me, that was it. I didn't want any shots or tranquilizer,
nothing. What shots could have calmed me down? I didn't even want to look at
them.
I lay in the ward. Either it just worked out that way or they did it on pur-
pose, but I was alone. I was alone even though the wards were packed. That
same evening a woman came by and asked me what was wrong with me, that my face
was disfigured. She asked what had happened to me, and I said, "Better to ask
your brother what happened, there's no point in asking me, your brother can
better explain what happened." She fell into a faint. All the doctors threw
themselves at her, and the doctor categorically forbade anyone to come into my
ward.
Then people from work came to see me, my boss, his daughter; they brought me
clothing, because I was literally naked. The only thing I had on was a dress,
but the woman who gave it to me was very short, and the dress was way up
above my knees, and the woman orderly said, "I can't believe you put on such a
short dress, who are you showing off your legs to here?" I went back to my
ward thinking, just one more thing from something. People from work came and
brought me something in a sack, apples, I think, three or four pounds, but I
couldn't take them. I had become so weak that it was just embarrassing. I said
that I couldn't take the apples, and really didn't have any appetite. No one
had to bring me anything. Some woman took the sack . . . And, oh yes! . . .
Then I heard that the head doctor tell a nurse that my medical history should
be hidden or torn up completely so that no one would know that I was an
Armenian, maybe they wouldn't figure it out from looking at me. So they must
have been thinking that there would be some kind of attack, that something
else would happen. That it would be worse. Or, perhaps, someone was outside on
the street, I don't know. In any case, I didn't sleep a wink that night.
The next morning they picked me up, a whole police detail, put me in a bus,
and off we went. I didn't even know where they were taking me. They took me to
the club where the troops were, the very one I was in that ill-fated evening.
I got off the bus. Near the City Party Committee there were a great many
troops, tanks, armored personnel carriers; the whole scene was terrible. I saw
a few people I knew there, and that calmed me a little. I had already thought
that I was the only one left. So there were five or six of us left in Sumgait
after that night. I still didn't know what happened to my parents, they didn't
come to see me in the hospital, and my boss told me that everything was fine.
I didn't know whether to believe him or not. Maybe he was just trying to calm
me down, maybe something happened on the way. Then I went to the club and saw
a lot of people I knew. They all knew one another, they were all kissing each
other and asking, "What happened, what went on?" Two days later they came to
see me from work. They were there all the time. Each day they came, showed
interest, and were constantly bringing me money. They did everything they
could. Of course I'm most thankful to my boss, the only one of my colleagues
who didn't lose his presence of mind and who didn't change his opinions,
neither before, nor after, nor in the heat of the moment, no matter what
happened. He constantly took an interest. A sincere interest, from the heart
. . . Then, about two days later, the secretary of the Party Committee came,
not from our Party organization, but from the First Trust, which ours is part
of, Comrade Kerimov, a very important figure in our town. He made arrangements
with the emergency medical personnel to take me away, because if I sat down by
myself I couldn't get up or lie down again. There was something wrong with my
lungs, it was hard to breathe. They examined me there several times, there I
lay were several doctors, they all thought that . . . that it must just be
from all the blows, I don't know. They didn't diagnose anything in particular.
When I was in the Maternity Home I even asked . . . I made it a point of
insisting that they take me to the trauma section because I felt so awful.
There was no way something inside wasn't broken, my ribs . . . Well they took
me there and took x-rays and said that everything was fine. There were
emergency medical workers on duty in the club. The mother of one of Marina's
friends was there. She was the head doctor at the Sumgait Children's Clinic.
They had every kind of antifever agent in the world, which was exactly what I
needed at that moment, I thought. I said that I was having great difficulty
breathing, I couldn't seem to get enough air, something was wrong with me.
They put tight bandages around my chest and waist. Later I overheard some
people saying that I had been cut all over. I think they just saw me being all
bandaged up and decided that my breasts and face had been cut . . . But I
wasn't cut.
They took us to the Khimik boarding house. We lived there a long time. Soon
appeared representatives . . . They were agitating. At first people would not
talk to them, and drove them off. One of the Armenian women shouted, "We
demand that Seidov come!" The response was, "It's Seidov who sent us." Seidov
is the Chairman of the Azerbaijani Council of Ministers. The woman said,
"We'll only see Seidov's daughter, have her come here, we'll do the same
things to her that they did to our daughters, and then we'll deal with you
agitators." And so on. More of them said, "Have Seidov himself come." This
went on day in, day out. The agitators kept coming and coming, this drove us
out of our wits. Then people gradually started departing for Yerevan because
they realized it was senseless to stay. Everything got on our nerves: The
smell, the small children. There were children at the SK club, children who
had literally just come out of the Maternity Home. What were they doing in a
club that didn't even have running water all the time? At first we had to pay
to eat there. They even overcharged us, as it turned out. On the second day
someone told us that they would bring us food for free. The children were ill.
Everything stank there. Well imagine about 3,000 people in a small movie
theater with seating for no more than 500. You couldn't sit or lie down, it
was impossible to even move. The stench was awful. Even the smallest infants
took ill overnight there. I heard that they were arriving seriously ill in
Yerevan, the infants. They have to be washed, they have to be bathed, not to
mention that we, the adults, were ill and needed care. People were fainting
right and left. I just don't know, everyone was crying, everyone . . . Only
the young people, the men, somehow managed to keep it together. But the women
were in a constant state of panic. It seemed to everyone that they would come
any minute and kill and stab. It seemed clear that we had been gathered
together purposely, like during the war, so that they could burn the movie
theater and there wouldn't be a single Armenian left. Then people went up to
the attic. I didn't see them, I only heard them, because I was lying down and
couldn't get up. I lay right on the stage, we had some room there. Apparently
they caught two people with either oil or gas. I think they wanted to burn the
theater. Maybe someone saw them, I didn't. I was in no condition to open my
eyes.
Everyone was suspicious of everyone else. They would ask, "Aren't you an
Azerbaijani? I think I saw you somewhere, I think you're an Azerbaijani." They
led out all the men and started letting them back in by checking their
passports, relatives might be covering for each other. Half of the people did
not have any documents. There were people who had run out of their homes in
nothing but a pair of pants and slippers, or wearing just a shirt, not like
they should have, with their IDs.
So on the 28th, on Sunday, I think, the police did nothing to help us. On
Monday everything resumed where it had left off on Block 41A. They didn't
spare a soul there: not children, not pregnant women, nobody. They killed,
they burned, they hacked with axes, just everything possible. They murdered
the Melkumian family whom I knew, my mother worked with them. Their daughter-
in-law went to school with my older sister. They were brutally murdered. Only
the two daughters-in-law survived. By a miracle one was able to save herself,
she ran away, the neighbors wouldn't take her in, so she ran about the
building until she found refuge. She was pregnant and had two small children.
This all continued on Monday in Block 41A, on the 29th, when the troops were
already in the city.
They murdered people, they overturned automobiles, and they burned entire
families. They say they didn't even know for sure if the people were Armenians
or not. I heard that the Lezgins suffered, too. I'm not sure myself, I didn't
see any Lezgins who had been injured. They burned cars so it's very difficult
now to say exactly who died and who didn't. It was very difficult to identify
the corpses, or rather, what remained of the corpses after they were doused in
gasoline and burned . . . it's all very hard to imagine, of course I heard
that many people disappeared without a trace, from the BTZ plant two people,
including a woman who worked the night shift, Aunt Razmella, who also lived in
Microdistrict 3.
They were stopping buses between Baku and Sumgait. In the evening people who
had been visiting Baku were returning to Sumgait, and people from Baku were
going home from Sumgait, and there were students, too. They were simply
savagely murdered. They were stopping the buses, the drivers immediately did
what they were told because there was just no other way to deal with that
hoard of brutally minded people. They stopped the buses, dragged the Armenians
out and killed them on the spot. I didn't see it myself, but I heard that they
put them all in a pile so as to burn them. Later it was hard to discern from
the corpses, well you can't call them corpses, you had to figure out from the
ashes who it was. l heard that two fellows saved two women, one a student, Ira
G., if I'm not mistaken. She was in the hospital a long time after that, and
she still can't figure out who saved her. She was also brutally raped and
beaten and thrown onto a pile of corpses. The fellow pulled her out of that
whole pile of corpses, put his coat on her, took her into his arms, and
carried her to the city. I still can't imagine how he managed to do that.
I heard that from Engels Grigorian. He knows her, apparently. Well a lot of
people went to that hospital anyway. She was in the hospital and singing a
song in Armenian, and they wrote the words down, and, I think he still has
that piece of paper, because he says that a lot of people now have that song,
the one she sang in the hospital where she lay in such bad shape. They
couldn't find the guy who saved her. He left her in someone's apartment and
called the ambulance, she was in such awful shape that, probably, like me,
she couldn't remember anyone's face.
I think that I knew one of the people who broke into our house, maybe I had
talked with him once. But I received so many blows everything was just knocked
out of my head. I can't remember to this day who he was. Then, it seems, I saw
the Secretary of the Directorate's Party organization, where Marina works. She
goes to school and works, she goes to night school at AZI, and works by day at
the Khimzashchita Construction and Installation Administration. I'm the
Secretary of the Komsomol organization at our administration and often met
with the secretaries of Party and Komsomol organizations. We had joint
meetings. I know them all, I've even talked with them, and he, I know, is from
Armenia. An Azerbaijani, but from Armenia. It became obvious that many of
those people were Azerbaijanis born in Armenia.
They took me to various police stations, to the police precinct, and to the
Procuracy, because the USSR Procuracy got involved in the case, and I iden-
tified the photographs of people who I could more or less recognize. They
showed me the people who were in our apartment, they're working on our
case, but I can't even recognize them, although it was proved that they were
the ones, they're processing it somehow. They tell me that they know that
someone held me by the arm and someone else held me by the leg when they were
dragging me. There was someone else in our apartment who did not even touch
me, he just stole a blanket and an earring or something like that. All these
people, all of them, as much as I've heard about them and seen them, they were
all from Kafan.
The Secretary of the Party organization is named Najaf, Najaf Rzayev. He was
there when everything started. It must have been him because I didn't
recognize anyone else in the crowd whom I knew besides him. All the more since
I told him, "Listen, you do something, because you know me." He turned away
and went toward the bedroom, where Marina was. Well you couldn't see Marina
anyway. There was such a noisy confusion of people that you couldn't make out
anyone. All of it flew right out of my head, and then gradually I became
myself again, at the City Party Committee . . . There were military people
there. I told them what went on, and they wrote it all down. I told them his
name. On March 8 the Secretary of our First Trust Party organization, the one
we're part of, came to see us, his name is Najaf Rzayev. I tell Mamma, "If
he's here despite the fact that I gave his name, it means that either his
alibi has been confirmed or, probably, that they think I'm crazy, not
responsible for my words." He said, "What did they do to you, how awful,
myself, I hid an Armenian family." Then after some time goes by he comes back
again and says something entirely different: "I wasn't at home, my family and
I went to Baku." I said, "Marina, what is he saying? He said something totally
different before." After that I didn't go to see our Procurator, our case is
being handled by a procurator from Voronezh, Fedorov by name. Fedorov told me
that Rzayev's case had just gotten to him, and there were so names involved.
What are they doing with Rzayev?
Did he prove his alibi or not? They just think that since I was hit in the
head I can't say anything for sure, whether it was him or not. It will be an
insult if he was in our apartment and doesn't have to pay for it, but at the
same time
I'm afraid to say I'm a hundred percent sure that it was he. Because no mat-
ter who I name, they tell me, no, you're wrong, he didn't do that, that one
wasn't there. All the faces have gotten mixed up in my mind. Who did what
exactly I can't say.
When they took me outside there was a whole crowd there, but I didn't see it,
because I had my eyes closed all the time. It seemed to me that I always got
it because of my eyes, people were always hassling me, for some reason it
always seemed to me that my eyes are responsible. When they were beating my
face I thought they were trying to put my eyes out. So I had my eyes closed,
they took me outside and started to beat me. A young guy, 22, held my arms, he
works at the BTZ plant. And right nearby, across the road from us, Block 41,
is where all this was going on. Right across the road from us. The BTZ
dormitory is over there, that's where he lives. Now he's in custody, they even
have proved, as far as I know, that it was he who killed Shurik Gambarian, the
clarinet player from the third entryway of our building. One person in our
building was killed, it was that man.
A guy comes by who shared a room with the guy who was holding me. He saw that
he was holding me by the arms and that he was beating me, but he didn't come
over, he just looked and then went into the dormitory. A while after it was
all over, people started making announcements in town saying that
investigators had been summoned. That guy went and told them everything. Now
they've caught him, everything's been proved. Now, evidently, they've been
beating him, I don't know what they're doing with them over there, but he
himself said that he was working the night shift at the plant. Some young guy
came to the plant and said, "Everyone who wants to kill Armenians come to the
bus station on Saturday at ten." That was it. He said, the ones who wanted to,
went. This was at the BTZ plant, during the night shift, probably, late Friday
night. It was at night, they were at the sauna together. And he said, what do
you mean, do you understand what you are saying? The others were silent,
probably, in their hearts they were thinking, I'm going to go. But they didn't
say anything to one another. He said that he thought it important to to go,
because he had heard a lot about what had happened in Kafan, that they had
killed their Azerbaijani sisters, their mothers, burned villages, and all of
that. That guy was also born in Kafan. That is certain. And Marina says that
the Secretary of the Party organization is from Armenia, too. from
I've participated in the investigation a couple of times. I'm satisfied with
them thus far. They summoned us and asked about what happened, and every word
I said was recorded. I met some guy there . . . By the way, he was an
Armenian. I said that he was in our apartment, but what he did, I don't know.
His last name was Grigorian, Eduard Grigorian. He s from Sumgait, from
Microdistrict 1. He was sentenced I think, to five years, not his first time.
His mother is Russian. I met with him at the KGB in Baku, at the Azerbaijani
KGB. They took us there and showed me photographs. There were so many
photographs, I think they even photographed those people who were caught at
curfew, and I've got them all confused. I say, the face was about like this,
the guy in the white coat with the red clasps. But he could take that coat off
and burn it somewhere, and it would be like looking for a needle in a
haystack. Well. This guy, Grigorian, I said, he was in our apartment, but he
is so light-complected that he looks like a Lezgin. I don't know what he did,
I can't remember. Maybe he beat me or raped me. But he was in our apartment.
At the KGB he started asking me, pleading with me, there's no need for this,
all this stuff, look me in the eyes, you're like a sister to me. I took a look
at him and thought, "My God, Heaven forbid that I should have a brother like
you." But they were satisfied with my responses, because I said everything
without great certainty. I was there with Mamma. Then Lyuda came in, but when
she came in she got sick immediately. She wanted to kill him, she crawled over
the table at him. She recognized him. When she came to, Lyuda was lying on the
balcony, the mob threw her there and all of them ran into the bedroom. We had
all kinds of boxes with dishes in them, the dowries for all three sisters.
They stole everything in the apartment, leaving only small things. At that
moment Lyuda came to and started remembering everything. Well, seeing the
faces, hearing the voices . . . Two people were saying they could burn the
apartment. Another says, why burn the apartment when I've got three kids and
no place to live. So this guy was in temporary housing, he didn't have
anywhere to live, he was from Sumgait. They were sure that they would get the
apartment. Besides, the neighbors were Azerbaijani. Why should they burn the
apartment, they might burn Azerbaijanis. That's what they said. How did they
know there were Azerbaijanis there, if they just picked a place, thinking that
Armenians lived there? We have a list of the residents for our part of the
building, our name is in there, but how could they know that Azerbaijanis
lived on the other side of the wall from us? So they didn't set fire to our
apartment.
I don't know, I was in such bad shape that if all of it had come to a halt
when I was outside, if someone had asked me what was happening, I would
have said that a civil war was going on. Well, maybe not civil . . . but
probably civil, because when they were beating me I opened my eyes and saw
that all the neighbors were standing on their balconies and watching, like at
a free horror film. So a civil war was going on, and only the Armenians were
being fought. If it were a world war or something like that, they would have
been fighting everyone. But they only fought us. Then I met some women from
our building, some Azerbaijanis. They are crying, they tell me, "Karina, we
saw all of it, how could it happen?" They're asking me! Well I just don't know
what to call it if a normal girl can stand there and watch what happened to
me. I think that if it were the other way around either I wouldn't have been
able to take it, or I would have tried to avert it, like that one Azerbaijani
woman did in front of our building. A woman lives there, an awful, dissipated
woman, if you can call her a woman, the dissipated life she leads. Two
Armenian families live there, in her part of the building. She came out on the
balcony and saw what was happening to me and started to scream and curse. She
came down to the entryway and said, "You'll come in this entryway over my dead
body." So not one of them took it in his head to go in that entryway. Some
folks were saying that those people were so out of control that they didn't
even know what they were doing. I don't think that's true. They knew very well
what they were doing if they didn't even lift a hand against that woman. They
couldn't have cared less about her, but the fact that she was an Azerbaijani
stopped them.
They were just beasts, they had smoked so much. When they came to our place
they were all chewing something. I noticed: Everyone who came into the
apartment was chewing something. I think, my God, maybe I just think that?
Maybe I'm losing my mind? But no, they're all chewing something. Maybe it is
some kind of drug, it must be, because . . . At first glance they all seemed
to be such normal people, young, clean-shaven, looking exactly as if they had
come to some sort of celebration. But they were shouting something. They
didn't talk, they shouted, as though there were deaf people there. They
screamed and screamed: "Yeah, killing, killing, we're killing the Armenians!"
Only they didn't shout "kill," they shouted "gurun ermianlary." Gurun
literally means "kill," or "destroy."
That's how it was! I'll continue. We hid in a captain's apartment, he's an
Azerbaijani, his wife is a Tatar. We were sitting in their apartment, their
kids were out in the yard. Their kids knew a whole lot. This was in our part
of the building, on the third floor. When Mamma came to and couldn't find
Lyuda she took Papa's hand, this was while the looters were stealing things,
but they didn't pay attention because they were stealing things. Apparently
they had already ceased killing and switched to stealing. Mamma found the
courage to . . .
A boy said to my mother "Where's the gold?" Mamma said he must have been 12
to 14 years old. He even looked Russian, he was so fair-skinned. But the
Azerbaijanis from Armenia are fair-skinned. I noticed they were all on the
fair side. He shouted, they were all smashing things, and he asks Mamma where
the gold is. We kept our gold in the wardrobe with our important papers. In a
little black bag, we kept everything in there. Mamma doesn't really like to
wear gold. She probably never even wore those things from the time they were
bought for her. They took everything that was lying on the cheval glass. Mamma
thinks that the gold saved us. Because they threw themselves at the gold, and
Mamma grabbed Papa, who was trying to breathe. They had closed his mouth,
bound his hands, and put a pillow and a chair on his face . . . They had
shoved something into his mouth so he would suffocate. Mamma grabbed him and
tore all that stuff off . . . He had something in his mouth, he was having
trouble breathing, his nose was filled with blood. Mamma grabbed him and
started running from the fifth down to the first floor because no one wanted
to open their doors to them. Mamma said that by accident, completely by
accident that person opened his door, he was sleeping, and said, half-awake,
"What's happened?" He sees that they are bloody. Mamma said, "At least go and
find out what's happening to my daughters, even if they've burned them or
murdered them, at least bring the corpses." He went looking for us. At that
moment Lyuda was under the bed. She says that after they left it seemed that
someone was calling her name. When he quietly called her she couldn't get out
from under the bed. She wanted to get out and was calling softly. She thought
she was shouting, but in fact she was either silent or was only talking to
herself, it just seemed to her that she was shouting. When she got out from
under the bed everyone was gone. And again . . . She thought that she had lost
her mind. I'll never leave here, never! To hell with it! It just seems that
way to me, I'll come to eventually. But then, when everything had settled
down, stopped, that mall brought Lyuda down, and Igor carried me in from
outside. Or first I was brought in, then Lyuda, I don't remember what order it
happened in.
And Mamma said, "Listen, they're all running around down there, shouting
something or other, and running toward the other building." It had more or
less calmed down where we were. Who's dead, who's alive, we don't know. I
tried to call my girlfriend. I had basically come to. Mamma says, "Listen;
let's go upstairs, at least get a mattress or something. We don't know how
long we'll be here. Maybe they didn't burn everything." I don't get it, all
women have that feeling, they want to get something from their homes, maybe
not everything was taken? I tell Mamma, "Mamma, what do you need any of that
for? To hell with it! We're alive, forget the rest of it, all of it!" She
says, "No, let's go get at least something. Maybe we'll leave here, spend the
night at someone else's." Mamma went upstairs, and their little boy, their son
Alik, was standing on the lookout. lIe was standing there to see if they were
coming. They only managed to run up there and grab something one time. He
shouts, "Come back, they're coming!" They didn't have enough time to get a
lot, mattresses from one apartment, a blanket from another . . . Mamma got my
knitting . . . Someone managed to grab our old things, the ones we never wore,
out of the hall . . . Someone took Father's old coveralls. The neighbor, his
wife, Mamma and Papa . . . Marina went with them. I was in no condition to
leave. Neither was Lyuda. We just sat. They ran out and we closed the door and
just then we hear that the mob is on its way toward our place upstairs,
they're dragging something again. They were going toward the other building,
maybe over by the school, or . . . There was an unfinished building over
there, people said they were going toward the basement or the unfinished
building, they could gradually carry everything over there. Then things more
or less calmed down. I tried to call my boss.
Later there was more noise. We were on the third floor, in a one-bedroom
apartment, and a woman lives in the one-bedroom place on the second floor,
Asya Dallakian. She's an old woman, retired. She wasn't at home, at that
time she was usually in the country, she has a married daughter there, and
her grandson is in the army. She is only very rarely in town; she gets her
retirement money and the apartment is essentially vacant. They started
pounding on her door and broke it down. She had two or three beds in there,
something like that, she's a 60-to 70-year-old woman who really does not even
live there. Probably she had some pots, a couple of metal bed frames and
mattresses, and a television. When her grandson came she bought a television.
They started wrecking everything. I started getting sick again. I think, "My
God, what is going on around here? When will this end?" We turned off the
lights and sat. As it turns out the people who weren't afraid, the ones who
knew what was going on, knew not to turn off the lights. We didn't know, but
they didn't come to where we were all the same. They all knew very well that
he was a captain. He went out and closed the door, and we sat in his
apartment. His last name was Kasumov. He's an exserviceman, retired, works up
at the fire station at some plant or other. He went out and stood at his door.
They tell him, "Comrade Captain, don't worry, we won't harm you, you're one of
us." He went upstairs, and they say, "Aren't you taking anything from this
apartment?" He says, "I don't need anything." And the women who were standing
in the yard . . . we have a basement, full of water . . . the women who were
standing in the yard saw. Those guys, they left everything they stole on the
first floor and ran upstairs again. The women threw everything they had time
to into the basement, to save our property. Some things were left: dirty
pillows, two or three other things and a rug. A guy came downstairs, really
mad, and he says, "Where's the rug? I just put it right here!" They tell him,
"Some guy came and took it and went off toward the school." He ran off in that
direction.
Oh! I forgot the most important point. When Igor picked me up in his arms,
there were women standing there who saw everything that was going on. They
just didn't tell me about it for a long time. The wife of that military man,
she didn't want to kill my spirit, I was already dead enough. Later she told
me, that after they murdered Uncle Shurik in the third entryway one of them,
the ringleader, apparently a young man, said, "Where's the girl who was here?"
And he became furious. The woman tells him, "She came to . . . " She didn't
know what to say: Think something up? Someone carried her off? Then they would
comb the whole house and find me and our whole family. So the woman says, "She
came to and went to the basement." Now, our basement is full of water. So the
whole mob dashes off to the basement to look for me or my corpse. They took
flashlights; they were up to their waists in water, water which had been
standing there for years, and soot, and fuel oil. They climbed down in there
to get me. Then one of them said, "There's so much water down there, she
probably walked and walked and then passed out and died. She met her death in
the basement. That's it, we can leave, no problem!" I didn't know that, and
when I was told, I felt worse. Two times worse. A lot worse! So they didn't
just want to pound me flat, something more awful was awaiting me . . .
After that we of course didn't want to live in Sumgait any longer. We really
didn't want to go back to our apartment. When we moved, I went up there and
started to quiver and shake all over, because I started remembering it all.
Although the neighbors all sobbed, it was all . . . so cheap . . . The people
who sat in their apartments and didn't help us at a time like that. I think
that they could have helped! I don't think that they were obligated to, but
they could have helped us! Because that one woman was able to stop that whole
brutal crowd by herself. That means they could have, too. It would have been
enough foe one man or women to say, What do you think you're doing?" That's
all! That would have done it. There were 60 apartments in our building. Not
one person said it! When I was lying on the ground and all those people were
standing on their balconies I didn't hear anyone's voice, no one said what are
you doing, leave her alone . . . Mamma even told one of the neighbor women
that if it had been an Azerbaijani woman in my place they would have dropped a
bomb if it would have killed even one Armenian. They would have stood up for
one of their own. True, they say that our neighbor from the fourth entryway,
an old/ sick woman tried to stop the pogrom. The Azerbaijanis have a custom:
if a woman takes her scarf and throws it on the ground, the men are supposed
to stop immediately. The old woman from the fourth entryway did that, but they
stomped her scarf into the ground, pushed her off to the side, and said, "If
you want to go on living, you'll disappear into your apartment." So she left.
That trick didn't work on them.
Even the neighbors who helped us move told me, OK, fine, calm down, forget
that it happened. I said I'd only forget it if I told them right then that it
had happened to their daughter--and if that didn't have any effect on them,
then I would forget everything, too. Imagine that it happened to your sister.
And no one did anything. Anything.
April 25, 1988
Yerevan
- - - reference - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 93-109
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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6438 | From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
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vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
> In article <Apr.13.00.08.35.1993.28412@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:
> > (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
> >> (Carol Alvin) writes:
> >> > ...
> >> >Are all truths also absolutes?
> >> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?
> >> >
> >> The answer to both questions is yes.
> >
> > ...
> >an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture,
> >situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree
> >with this definition? ...
> >
> Yes, I do agree with your definition. ...
>
> > [example of women covering their heads and not speaking]
>
> Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning
> exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so
> easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should
> behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances
> at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and
> cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward
> others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived
> from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to
> strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world
> peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.)
I agree that there is truth in scripture. There are principles to be
learned from it. Claiming that that truth is absolute, though, seems
to imply a literal reading of the Bible. If it were absolute truth
(constant across time, culture, etc.) then no interpretation would be
necessary.
It may be that the lessons gleaned from various passages are different
from person to person. To me, that doesn't mean that one person is
right and the other is wrong. I believe that God transcends our simple
minds, and that scripture may very well have been crafted with exactly
this intent. God knows me, and knows that my needs are different
from yours or anyone else's. By claiming that scripture is absolute,
then at least one person in every disputed interpretation must be wrong.
I just don't believe that God is that rigid.
> >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture
> >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.)
> >Can you reconcile this?
>
> Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those
> truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does
> preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal
> clear (at least to evangelicals).
This is where the arrogance comes in to play. Since these principles
are crystal clear to evangelicals, maybe the rest of us should just take
their word for it? Maybe it isn't at all crystal clear to *me* that
their fundamental principles are either fundamental *or* principles.
I think we've established that figuring out Biblical truth is a matter
of human interpretation and therefore error-prone. Yet you can still
claim that some of them may be crystal clear? Maybe to a certain
segment of Christianity, but to all.
> >It's very difficult to see how you can claim something which is based
> >on your own *interpretation* is absolute.
>
> God revealed his Truths to the world, through His Word. It is utterly
> unavoidable, however, that some people whill come up with alternate
> interpretations. Practically anything can be misinterpreted, especially
> when it comes to matters of right and wrong. Care to deny that?
Not at all. I think it supports my position much more effectively
than yours. :-)
So, I think that your position is:
The Bible is absolute truth, but as we are prone to error in our
interpretation, we cannot reliably determine if we have figured out
what that truth is.
Did I get that right?
What's the point of spending all this time claiming and defending
absolute truth, when we can never know what those truths are, and we
can never (or at least shouldn't) act upon them? What practical
difference can this make?
Carol Alvin
caralv@auto-trol.com
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6439 | From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Subject: Re: Playoff telecasts in Atlanta
Organization: HMS
Lines: 22
NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu
In article <C5JABD.812@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>
>I'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN,
>but I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-)
>ESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it
>seems.
>
First,Happy Birthday,Val. Second, ESPN's affinity with Patrick has probably
more to do with the travel/production costs for a once a week NHN(National Hockey
Night) affair.(ESPN-ABC owner,Capital Cities, is a company known for being
quite thrifty with minimal overhead costs. It's quite possible that Jim
Schoenfeld may be working for doughnuts :-).
Gary Thorne and Bill Clement are both NJ-based and the rest of ESPN crew
resides in the suburban CT with a very close proximity to tri-state area.
Plus,it makes sense in terms of solid hockey following in the NorthEast
corridor(PA-NY-NJ-DC/Maryland). Whereas,in the Adams you have only
3-American based teams, out of which 2(Buffalo and Hartford) are not
in Top-20 US TV-markets.
-PPV Mark
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6440 | From: boucher@csl.sri.com (Peter K. Boucher)
Subject: Pseudo-Random Character Generators (large state)
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Here are four pseudo-random character generators, based on
irreducible trinomials. Each contains 16 separate trinomials,
one of which is selected on initialization (there are 64
distinct trinomials between the 4 PRCGs). The PRCGs are
initialized with a 32-bit seed, and a 4-bit trinomial-
selector.
I would like to get comments on these by anyone who is
interested enough to look them over. Please email,
because our news is on the fritz (Note that this was
posted via email).
Peter K. Boucher <boucher@csl.sri.com>
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6441 | From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f
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Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
: >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
: >>>a 3 foot log?
: >
: >How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
: >For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
: >ground?
: Oh, ye of little imagination.
:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
: --
: Jonathan E. Quist
The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
nowhere, you can eat them. Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
--
Nick (the 90 HP Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Giddy-Up!
M'Lud.
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{"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR,
___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
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6442 | From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
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In article <MUCIT.93Apr20144400@vein.cs.rochester.edu>, mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
|> [stuff deleted]
|>
henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the
henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan.
BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It
BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do
want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them.
BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment,
BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it
BM] is a part of it.
Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged
training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians.
henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000
henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the
henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending
henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION.
BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them
BM] within their borders?
Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into
the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime.
henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the
henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER
henrik] OCCUR again.
BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade?
It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped
into Armenia if SHE could.
BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header
BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun?
Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many
cases, HISTORY repeats itself.
BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes
BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring
BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians
BM] are attacking Azeri towns.
So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey
wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !!
I will believe it when I see it.
Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing
to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)?
Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the
BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean
BURNING people ALIVE !
BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the
BM] futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that
BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's
BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes.
Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are
NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY
from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN.
BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent
BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe
BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better
BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal?
Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the
conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in
KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion.
BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes
BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of
BM] their blood and future.
Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension
to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH
are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET.
BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize
BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians
BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate
BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in
BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for
BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading
BM] inflammatory half-truths.
It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely
for it. But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself,
you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of
The Armenian Massacres.
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6443 | From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
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In article <EACHUS.93Apr20140314@spectre.mitre.org> eachus@spectre.mitre.org
(Robert I. Eachus) writes:
>
> But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just
>roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the
>Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if
>this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from
>NSA.)
This won't work if there is a checksum on the keys you don't know about.
Neither will registering a clipper chip and then substituting a
"counterfeit" one if the serial number contains a checksum.
Chances are the government has thought of this, and "just anyone" won't be
permitted access to enough of the internals to make a "fake" clipper chip.
Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals
at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security
safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level.
While not perfect, it would prevent Joe Hacker from rolling his own spoofing
chip, since not many counterfeiters can survive a background investigation.
Some of the more notorious self-styled dissidents here, for example, have
already got their heads so high above the tall grass that they'd have little
chance of getting a clearance.
Of course it's not impossible that someone do this, but probably extremely
difficult. Chances are there will also be very heavy criminal penalties for
phony clipper chips, on some national security/classified info grounds or
other, thus making the game not worth the candle.
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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6444 | From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: "Seer" Stephenson picks the A.L. East
Summary: The division has gone to the birds
Keywords: last chance for foolishness
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Having run completely out of time, I've got to get my prophesies and
predictions for the A.L. out. Qualifications -- one of the worse
finishes in last year's prediction contest.
AL East -- 1993
1. Baltimore Orioles
Why the Orioles? Well, I pondered long and hard, and it all came down to
this:
-- The Blue Jays are going the wrong direction.
-- Can't bring myself to pick the Yankees
-- Milwaukee was a fluke
-- Indians aren't ready to contend
-- Red Sox were bad last year, and didn't get any better
-- Detroit's pitching will be the new definition of "replacement level"
"But you don't really think the Orioles will win, do you." No. As a matter
of fact, I can't see any team in the American League winning either division
on paper (with the possible exception of the Yankees, who I hate). But some-
body has to win, so I pick the Orioles. "You don't really think that Brady
Anderson is going to repeat, do you?" No. I'm basing the Orioles prediction
on the expectation of big years from Cal Ripken and Glenn Davis. "Glenn
Davis? That's insane". Yes. So, without further ado:
STRONG POINTS: Hoiles, Ripken some years, Olson, getting rid of Billy Ripken.
WEAK POINTS: Segui may start. Valenzuela (the original 30-something) may be
the fifth starter. Oates puts his best hitters at the bottom of the lineup.
(Does anybody else think that might be a calculated maneuver to minimize
the effect of a slumping Ripken? If you can't move Ripken out of the #3
spot, why not move the rest of the line up?)
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Glenn Davis wins comeback player of the year.
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: In a tight pennant race, team trades for Pecota.
ObPrediction: "The Streak" continues. Harold Reynolds leads the team in
caught stealing.
2. New York Yankees.
STRONG POINTS: Abbot, Key, Perez. Could have best pitching in American
League. Boggs should improve on Hayes.
WEAK POINTS: Mattingly still considered best hitter. The Steinbrenner
factor. (The Yankees lost to the Mets. Can wholesale changes be far
behind?) Never count on rookie pitchers (i.e. Wickman & Millitello) to
win a division.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Boggs hits over .300
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Howe gets arrested again.
ObPrediction: Mattingly won't top a 700 OPS.
3. Toronto Blue Jays
STRONG POINTS: Management willing to make big deals. Management has eerie
power to convince other teams its prospects are not suspects. Olerud.
Guzman. Alomar.
WEAK POINTS: The Jackson for Bell trade has shaken my faith in Gillick.
Losing Stewart may hurt rotation (that's *really* a bad sign). No one in
the outfield can get on base. Pitching is thin behind Guzman and Ward.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Jack Morris considered Cy Young contender in August
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Club makes no major deals in August.
ObPrediction: Morris will post better ERA and WHIP totals than last year. And
have a losing record.
4. Milwaukee Brewers
STRONG POINTS: Pitching staff was exceptional -- last year.
WEAK POINTS: Molitor gone. Surhoff at third? Why? Eldred can't keep it up.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Listach and Eldred play like last year.
WOULD BE BAD SIGN: Bones plays like last year.
ObPrediction: Surhoff won't finish the year at third.
5. Cleveland Indians
STRONG POINTS: Baerga, Belle, Nagy
WEAK POINTS: Pitching staff thin -- losing Olin really hurts. Starts Felix
Fermin.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Bielecki's ERA is consistent with his Atlanta starts.
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Ted Power -- bullpen ace.
ObPrediction: Alomar will be back on the DL by the all-star break.
6. Boston Red Sox
STRONG POINTS: Clemens, Viola, Clemens, Detroit, Clemens
WEAK POINTS: Most incompetent GM in baseball. Key free agent signing -- Andre
Dawson. Burks is gone -- Hatcher in center.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Rainouts in between Clemens starts.
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Clemens on the DL
ObPrediction: Russell will make Sox fans forget Reardon. Interpret that how
you will :->
7. Detroit Tigers
STRONG POINTS: Tettleton, Phillips, Whitaker
WEAK POINTS: If Fielder keeps declining, he'll be a shortstop this year.
Worst rotation in baseball entirely replaced -- but not necessarily better.
This year could be *very* ugly.
WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Cecil Fielder deserving the MVP.
WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Cecil Fielder not whining about deserving an MVP.
ObPrediction: Cecil *won't* lead the league in RBIs.
One more division to go....
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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6445 | Subject: Re: Rheaume start
From: S960121@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Organization: UM-St. Louis
NNTP-Posting-Host: umslvma.umsl.edu
X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2
Lines: 12
Just a quick note about Manon's immediate future: Rumor has it(USA Today's spor
ts page) that she will be playing with Tampa Bay's affiliate in the ECHL(I Thin
k. It's been a couple of days. :)) She will supposedly be competing for the num
ber 2 goaltender spot. I think, after her performance, which was damn good for
someone who hasn't played squat all year, that we'll be seeing a lot more of h
er in Atlanta in the years to come.
Ward
-Go Blades!! Bring home the Turner Cup, again!!
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6446 | From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman)
Subject: Help with motherboard w/no docs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 20
Well, I was told that my last message came through without anything
in it, so I'll try again.
I have a Leading Edge 386SX 16 with a flaky motherboard and a friend
game me one to replace it, but he didn't have any docs for the
mother board. It's a CHEERTRON board with Award bios and has a
sticker on it that says VI 1 T1 3 T2 3 on it. I can tell what
most of the switches on the blue blocks mean. except FDC and
SH, but I have no idea about all the jumpers. I've replaced hard
drives and modems and installed math co-processes, but this is a
bit out of my league and without the docs, I'm really lost.
If anyone could give me some help on this, I'd really appreciate
it. I don't get on news regularly, so if you can help, please
e-mail me at passman@world.std.com
Thanks.
-- Shirl
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6447 | From: andy@ie.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun)
Subject: Re: Centris 650 to Decstation E-net adapter
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Lines: 86
>pnsf01dw@smucs1.umassd.edu (Dennis J. Wilkinson) writes:
>Not necessarily a thrid-party adapter; Apple does manufacture transceivers
>for thinWire and 10BaseT (twisted pair) cable media, as well as an AUI
>(Attachment Unit Interface) transciever. They run at ~$100 each. If you use
>thinWire or 10BaseT, you'll probably also need terminators (Apple's
>transceivers are self-terminated, if I remember correctly, but I have no
>idea about DECs).
The third-party media adapters are usually cheaper (at least in Toronto) than
Apple's. I bought the adapters from Asante instead of Apple.
gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) writes:
> The DECstation 5000 Models 200 and 240 come with ThinWire only
>(can't say for certain about the Models 125 and 133), so your best bet
That's not true. Only the DECstation 5000/200 comes with a Thinwire
(BNC, coaxial) Ethernet connector. The 5000/25, 5000/133 and 5000/240
all have a single 15-pin AUI Ethernet connector only. I distinctly
remembered this because when got the 5000/200 first and I thought all
of them are going to be Thinwire. I eventually had to go back and ordered
DESTAs (DEC's oversized version of an AUI-to-BNC adapter that MUST be used
with a transciever cable) for the rest of the stations.
My advise to the very original poster (Beverly?) is:
(1) If all you want is to create a LAN with two workstations and won't add
machines to it EVER, go for Thinwire regardless of the media type. Going
for UTP (unshielded twisted pair) wiring requires a concentrator which
means extra money and I believe these units come with at least 6 ports.
As for Thicknet, it's a nightmare and cabling is expensive. Avoid it
unless you have no choice (e.g. the two machines are two floors parts).
(2) On the Mac side, you will need:
- one Thinwire media adapter (from Apple or third-party).
- MacX (make sure you get version 1.2; 1.1.7 won't run on System 7.1).
- MacTCP (which comes with MacX; if you get MacX v1.2, you should be
getting MacTCP v1.1.1 with it. Don't use earlier versions on a Centris).
- you may or may not need a 25ohm terminator depending on the
Thinwire media adapter. So just ask the sales if the adapter is
self-terminated or not.
- configure MacTCP to use "Ethernet".
(3) On the DECstation side, you will need:
- for a Model 200, you will only need a T-connector.
- for Models 25, 125, 133, 240, you will need an AUI-to-BNC adapter.
Get one that can be plugged in directly to the AUI port of the
DECstation. This way you save the cost of a transciever cable
(a 15-pin AUI male to a 15-pin AUI female cable).
- get a 25ohm terminator.
Your two-machine network will look like this:
##T----------------------------------------------[]
+-----+ |
| | |
+-----+ +-----+
| |
+-----+
DECstation Centris
5000/200 650
OR
##T----------------------------------------------[]
{=} |
+-----+ |
| | +-----+
+-----+ | |
+-----+
DECstation Centris
5000/25,125,133,240 650
## -> 25ohm terminator
T -> T connector
--- -> Thinwire (RG58 coaxial cable)
{=} -> AUI-to-BNC (i.e. Thick-to-Thin) adapter
[] -> Thickwire media adapter (assuming self-terminated)
|
|
Andy
--
Andy Sun (andy@ie.utoronto.ca) 4 Taddle Creek Road, Toronto
Computing Coordinator Ontario, Canada. M5S 1A4
Department of Industrial Engineering Phone: (416) 978-8830
University of Toronto Fax: (416) 978-3453
|
6448 | From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: Rationality (was: Islamic marriage)?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Lines: 115
In <1993Apr4.093904.20517@proxima.alt.za> lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) writes:
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>>My point of view is that the argument "all sexism is bad" just simply
>>does not hold. Let me give you an example. How about permitting a
>>woman to temporarily leave her job due to pregnancy -- should that be
>>allowed? It happens to be sexist, as it gives a particular right only
>>to women. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it is sexist, I completely
>>support such a law, because I think it is just.
>Fred, you're exasperating... Sexism, like racialism, is a form of
>discrimination, using obvious physical or cultural differences to deny
>one portion of the population the same rights as another.
>In this context, your example above holds no water whatsoever:
>there's no discrimination in "denying" men maternity leave, in fact
>I'm quite convinced that, were anyone to experiment with male
>pregnancy, it would be possible for such a future father to take
>leave on medical grounds.
Okay... I argued this thoroughly about 3-4 weeks ago. Men and women are
different ... physically, physiologically, and psychologically. Much
recent evidence for this statement is present in the book "Brainsex" by
Anne Moir and David Jessel. I recommend you find a copy and read it.
Their book is an overview of recent scientific research on this topic
and is well referenced.
Now, if women and men are different in some ways, the law can only
adequately take into account their needs in these areas where they are
different by also taking into account the ways in which men and women
are different. Maternity leave is an example of this -- it takes into
account that women get pregnant. It does not give women the same rules
it would give to men, because to treat women like it treats men in this
instance would be unjust. This is just simply an obvious example of
where men and women are intrinsically different!!!!!
Now, people make the _naive_ argument that sexism = oppression.
However, maternity leave is sexist because MEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT.
Men do not have the same access to leave that women do (not to the same
extent or degree), and therefore IT IS SEXIST. No matter however much a
man _wants_ to get pregnant and have maternity leave, HE NEVER CAN. And
therefore the law IS SEXIST. No man can have access to maternity leave,
NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES TO GET PREGNANT. I hope this is clear.
Maternity leave is an example where a sexist law is just, because the
sexism here just reflects the "sexism" of nature in making men and women
different. There are many other differences between men and women which
are far more subtle than pregnancy, and to find out more of these I
recommend you have a look at the book "Brainsex".
Your point that perhaps some day men can also be pregnant is fallacious.
If men can one day become pregnant it will be by having biologically
become women! To have a womb and the other factors required for
pregnancy is usually wrapped up in the definition of what a woman is --
so your argument, when it is examined, is seen to be fallacious. You
are saying that men can have the sexist maternity leave privilege that
women can have if they also become women -- which actually just supports
my statement that maternity leave is sexist.
>The discrimination comes in when a woman is denied opportunities
>because of her (legally determined) sexual inferiorities. As I
>understand most religious sexual discrimination, and I doubt that
>Islam is exceptional, the female is not allowed into the priestly
>caste and in general is subjugated so that she has no aspirations to
>rights which, as an equal human, she ought to be entitled to.
There is no official priesthood in Islam -- much of this function is
taken by Islamic scholars. There are female Islamic scholars and
female Islamic scholars have always existed in Islam. An example from
early Islamic history is the Prophet's widow, Aisha, who was recognized
in her time and is recognized in our time as an Islamic scholar.
>No matter how sweetly you coat it, part of the role of religions
>seems, historically, to have served the function of oppressing the
>female, whether by forcing her to procreate to the extent where
>there is no opportunity for self-improvement, or by denying her
>access to the same facilities the males are offered.
You have no evidence for your blanket statement about all religions, and
I dispute it. I could go on and on about women in Islam, etc., but I
recently reposted something here under the heading "Islam and Women" --
if it is still at your news-site I suggest you read it. It is reposted
from soc.religion.islam, so if it has disappeared from alt.atheism it
still might be in soc.religion.islam (I forgot what its original title
was though). I will email it to you if you like.
>The Roman Catholic Church is the most blatant of the culprit,
>because they actually istitutionalised a celibate clergy, but the
>other religious are no different: let a woman attempt to escape her
>role as child bearer and the wrath of god descends on her.
Your statement that "other religions are no different" is, I think, a
statement based simply on lack of knowledge about religions other than
Christianity and perhaps Judaism.
>I'll accept your affirmation that Islam grants women the same rights
>as men when you can show me that any muslim woman can aspire to the
>same position as (say) Khomeini and there are no artificial religious
>or social obstacles on her path to achieve this.
Aisha, who I mentioned earlier, was not only an Islamic scholar but also
was, at one stage, a military leader.
>Show me the equivalent of Hillary Rhodam-Clinton within Islam, and I
>may consider discussing the issue with you.
The Prophet's first wife, who died just before the "Hijra" (the
Prophet's journey from Mecca to Medina) was a successful businesswoman.
Lucio, you cannot make a strong case for your viewpoint when your
viewpoint is based on ignorance about world religions.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
|
6449 | From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas)
Subject: Altitude adjustment
Summary: How to adjust to 9000 ft when you come from sea-level
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3
Lines: 20
I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities
quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000
feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted...
Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and
my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very
dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep
away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol.
Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there
(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible?
Is there something else that I could do?
A long time ago (possibly two years ago) there was a discussion here about
altitude adjustment. Has anyone saved the messages?
Many thanks,
Vida.
|
6450 | From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Chaos Editions: IDEA (Internation Directory of Electronic Arts)
Keywords: electronic art
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Lines: 30
I've borrowed the 1992-93 version of this book from a friend...holy
moley! What a wealth of contacts. Five-hundred pages of information
about electronic artists and organizations around the globe (many have
email addresses). An up to the minute database of this information is
also available on Minitel (the book's based in France...are there any
Internet=>Minitel gates?). The book is printed in French and English.
To have you or your organization listed in IDEA, just send your
information to:
Annick Bureaud
IDEA
57, rue Falguiere
75015 Paris
France
It's free to be listed in it, I'm not sure how widely distributed the
book is or how much it costs. I'm not affiliated with them in any way,
I was just impressed by their collection of organizations and artists.
I highly encourage all involved in electronic media (video, music,
graphics, animation, etc.) to send in your entry and encourage them to
make their database available on Internet.
...e
--
Ed Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts
PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS)
Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis)
---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu
|
6451 | From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Lines: 27
In <930415.112243.8v6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.
Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
Bullshit.
>There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that.
Speaking as one who has taken LSD, I say:
Bullshit.
>> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term
>> "objective", if anything.
>I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive
>towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't
>actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not
>be too far wrong.
How could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful, if the ideal
had no objective existence?
--
Mark Pundurs
any resemblance between my opinions and those
of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental
|
6452 | From: harpe@netnews.louisville.edu (Mike Harpe)
Subject: WANTED: Protel EasyTrax for the MAC
Organization: University of Louisville
Lines: 12
The title says it all. Contact me via EMAIL if you would can help me out...
Mike Harpe
University of Louisville
P.S. I KNOW IT IS DISCONTINUED. I want someone who would like to sell
an old copy.
--
Michael Harpe, Programmer/Analyst Information Technology, Ormsby Bldg.
harpe@hermes.louisville.edu University of Louisville
(502)588-5542 Louisville, Ky. 40292
"He's not a man, he's a remorseless eating machine!" - The Simpsons
|
6453 | From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu
Subject: WORD 2.0 HELP!
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Lines: 10
Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu
Hello,
I'm having problems printing SPANISH characters with WFW2. I was using the Celtic True type which has the accented characters, and used insert symbol to put in in the document. However, when I put it in the doc, I get a big square character, and then it prints out just the same (to my dismay, thinking that was just the way it worked).
Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP!
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| Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I |
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| Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major|
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| Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI |
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6454 | From: hancock@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (thomas hancock)
Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Lines: 40
dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes:
The Centaur is controlled technology..
State Dept will not allow it to be used outside of US. Sorry.
>In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
>>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo?
>>What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other
>>than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)?
>I haven't seen any speculation about it. But, the Salyut KB (Design Bureau)
>was planning a new LH/LOX second stage for the Proton which would boost
>payload to LEO from about 21000 to 31500 kg. (Geostationary goes from
>2600 kg. (Gals launcher version) to 6000 kg.. This scheme was competing
>with the Energia-M last year and I haven't heard which won, except now
>I recently read that the Central Specialized KB was working on the
>successor to the Soyuz booster which must be the Energia-M. So the early
>results are Energia-M won, but this is a guess, nothing is very clear in
>Russia. I'm sure if Salyut KB gets funds from someone they will continue
>their development.
>The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton
>is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D
>which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about
>launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which
>are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things
>up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile
>thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now.
>Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know
>how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while
>bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track
>and erected on the pad?
>They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads
>(unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course
>any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the
>US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political
>problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention.
>Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)
>Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector
>Schaumburg, IL
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6455 | From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: FAQ - corrections
Summary: PCB correction, FTP site, etc
Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA
Lines: 29
Greetings. I received a reply stating that unless someone else
confirms that the following company is operating, I should
remove it from my lst:
>PCB Prototypes of Sandy, UT
>Ronald Baker
>8195 South 2660 East
>Sandy, UT 84093
>Tel: [read below]
This is from the COMM_PCB.FAQ (commercial PCB makers).
Also, I don't have time to get the FAQ onto the sci.answers
because of what I like to refer to is "red tape" - after the
finals, I'll see what I can do... in the mean-time, anyone know
of an FTP site that wouldn't mind a 250K file? :-)
And last, I have some new entries for the SIMUSOFT list (mostly
commercial/institutional stuff) but was wondering: should I keep
the restrictions on the price of the software to be considered ->
under $600 or should I include all those in 4 digit prices also?
Take care.
--
/ Filip "I'll buy a vowel" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail "fmgst+@pitt.edu" \
| All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! |
| I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. |
\ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) /
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6456 | From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao)
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]
Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote:
> The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
> transports. ...
> With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
> mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
> women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
> to death 51 days later.
Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on
the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the
US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal
search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an
illegal means to serve their search warrant last February.
- Steve Kao
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6457 | From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: insect impacts
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Lines: 35
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>
>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>
>>Um, the same way people do it on
>>horseback
>
>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway
Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat
flies, thank you.
>>jeeps
>
>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up
then why does it go down?
>>snow skis
>
>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles
So do most helmetless motorcyclists.
>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?
helmetless != goggleless
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
|
6458 | From: armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong)
Subject: Re: So far so good
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Lines: 22
In article <C4z5u3.Jxo@spss.com> luomat@alleg.edu writes:
>
>This may be a really dumb one, but I'll ask it anyways:
> Christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of
>God, right? (I may be wrong, but that is my understanding) But they still
>try to do it. Doesn't it seem like we are spending all of our lives
>trying to reach a goal we can never achieve? I know that we are saved by
>faith and not by works, but does that mean that once we are saved we don't
>have to do anything? I think James tells us that Faith without works is
>dead (paraphrase). How does this work?
>
So long as we think that good things are what we *have* to do rather than
what we come to *want* to do, we miss the point. The more we love God; the
more we come to love what and whom He loves.
When I find that what I am doing is not good, it is not a sign to try
even harder (Romans 7:14-8:2); it is a sign to seek God. When I am aware
of Jesus' presence, I usually want what He wants. It is His strenth, His love
that empowers my weakness.
--
Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S.
Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng
|
6459 | From: jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com (James Foster x2912)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
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In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:
|> In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> [deleted]
|> [] And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better
|> []armed if you want to hit what you aim at.
|> []
|> >What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of
|> >proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car
|> >cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access
|> >to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the
|> >time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every
|> >day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I
|> >see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a
|> >revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple
|> >of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a
|> >disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang
|> >gang members were "practicing" shooting. They were actually practicing
|> >taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target
|> >and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are
|> >are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most
|> >state cops are.
Every city and suburban police officer I've seen around the Twin Cities in the
last two years has carried a semi-auto of some type (different brands though
I haven't seen any Glock's).
With regard to this discussion: We are getting dangerously far from the usual
rantings of t.p.g, and close to the realm of r.g, but I'd like to put my two
cents worth in. While there's nothing wrong with a revolver (especially a
large frame S&W in .357 magnum - my favorite) there are valid advantages to
semi-autos. I suggest reading Massad Ayoob's (I know, some people can't stand
him and think he's full of bull, but I think that in general his material is
very valid and useful) book _The Semi Auto Pistol in Police Work_ (or something
like that). He defines a number of ways that semi-auto's are different, and that
"different is good". The main advantage is not in increased firepower, but in
more accurate followup shots when you go to single action mode. There is also a
certain "propriatory nature" of each gun that takes some familiarity to
learn. This may have diminished with time as more criminals become familiar
with different models of semi-autos, but it was cited as stopping or at least
slowing down criminals who had grabbed a police officers gun.
|>
|> Define "armed better". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the
|> Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which
|> faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other
|> guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson
|> in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to
|> 3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops
|> like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something
|> often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful).
|>
|> A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber.
|>
|> - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull
|> the trigger again.
|> - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first,
|> but will fire merely by pulling the trigger.
Yes, but this is best done with a two hand hold. With a single hand you either
pull the gun far off target to cock, or must fire double action. The DA semi
auto has the same advantages plus is always SA after the first shot.
|> - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again
|> to rotate to the next round.
I'm not sure if this is meant to be different from your first point. In a DA
semi-auto you can pull the trigger again to try dropping the hammer on the same
round - an advantage you don't have in a revolver where the next trigger pull will
always go to the next round (discussing this point now). This is fine with a dud
but what about a hangfire situation? Granted it's very rare, but your round will
now go off confined in the cylinder with no place to go. Slingshotting the slide
on a misfire takes very little time.
|> - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the
|> hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an
|> easy motion, even one handed.
Actually with modern revolver designs incorporating hammer blocks this is not
necessary or usually recommended. A revolver would have to fall hard enough and
at the right angle to actually break the hammer and driver the firing pin into the
round to set it off.
|> - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines
|> on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users.
The best speedloader users, especially those using the spring loaded speed
loaders are very fast. A problem is that ejecting the spent cases is a two
handed job where dropping the expended magazine is one handed. This means that
while you can be inserting a fresh magazine as soon as the old one clears the
gun, with a speed loader you have to go through more motions that will always
take more time. You also don't have the advantage of tactical reloads (replacing
a partial magazine to bring you back to full capacity - the partial magazine can
still be used if needed later).
|>
|> - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell
|> first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often
|> lost as you realize "hey, it's jammed!" before starting to do anything
|> about clearing it.
Yes, the time to recognize the problem is just as important as the time to clear
it. Really though, in either a revolver or semi-auto the odds of an actual misfire
with factory ammo are awfully small. You are more likely to get a jam in a semi-auto
but even these are exceptionally rare with modern quality guns (Sigs, Glocks, et.al.).
|> - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round
|> and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the
|> chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider
|> this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed
|> of employment as a revolver.
|> - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of
|> operation of many of them requires more training.
All common semi-auto's can be carried with a round in their chamber without any
safety problems. While I put that out as a statement that I believe, I should
say that this applies to all of the ones I've looked at. For the DA semi's it's
no different from the revolver situation: The guns all have hammer or firing
pin blocks. They also have a safety. Because there's no real advantage
carrying one of these cocked and locked you have the same safety and speed
of employment as a revolver, plus the advantage of SA followup shots. I'm
not familiar with SA semi-autos except for the 1911-A1. I admit that I was
initially skeptical about carrying this cocked and locked, but after examining
the design, trying to defeat the safeties (gun unloaded of course), and
shooting it a lot, I see no inherent safety problems with it, especially in
a thumbreak holster with the strap under the hammer. This design also gets
you more speed for an accurate first shot than a revolver.
|>
|> Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly
|> switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having
|> accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks
|> require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex
|> as the timer on a VCR.
Yeah, the infamous Glock. I still can't figure out how it's worse than a revolver
for safety. If you don't pull the trigger it doesn't go off. I imagine that if all
your revolver shooting was done double action then you could pull the Glock trigger
far enough to fire before you realized it. In addition, if you had developed that
nasty habit of keeping your finger on the trigger when holstering your gun and
relying on your thumb on the hammer to remind you to take it off before you blew
off your foot then you'd have problems when the hammer wasn't there.
|>
|> Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun
|> the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter
|> and pay attention. I do not seek here to say "semi-autos are junk"
|> merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop
|> with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than
|> equipped for anything short of a riot.
I think this is even okay for a riot (as long as it's a small one B^)).
|>
|> Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a
|> wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything.
|> Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit.
|> I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon
|> to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit
|> what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously
|> wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those
|> extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in
|> criminal encounters is less than 5.
I have the poor man's Beretta (Taurus 99) and consider it inferior as a carry
weapon to the Springfield .45 (oops, 9mm vs. 45 arguments are relegated to
r.g). You are right, though. If you don't hit what you aim at then the
shooter/gun combination has failed. I don't ascribe failures in the the
fire real fast with a wonder-nine scenario you mention to the gun. This is
a shooter failure, whether through lack of discipline or lack of training.
|>
|> What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple
|> .38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police
|> prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway.....
9mm's are becoming more popular with crooks too, though the .38 does still
lead the list. And like I said, around here semi-auto's seem the rule for the
street cop. Don't know about the State Patrol however, they may still carry
the "Highway Patrolman".
|>
|> ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they
|> introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking
|> as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal.
Vincent, please don't take any of this as a flame. Just my $0.02 (whoops, looks more
like $2.00) worth. And much of it is IMHO, but do check Ayoob's book.
|>
|> --
|> "If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."
|> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.
|
6460 | From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo
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In article F23@zoo.toronto.edu, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is
>>enough to do it if the vehicle exists.
>
>Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough
>to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of
>course, they may be over-optimistic.
>
>You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications
>that would help pay for its development costs.
>
>I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough.
this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be
a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just
to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil,
then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero.
just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU
rich.
--DonG
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6461 | From: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson)
Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book
Article-I.D.: toontown.627
Reply-To: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson)
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia, SC
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In article <canright.734829385@convex.com> canright@convex.com (Robert Canright) writes:
|you might try
|"Computer-Aided Circuit Analysis Using SPICE" by Walter Banzhaf,
|at bookstores, paperback, ~$33, lots of examples. Dr. Banzhaf
|is a teacher.
Is there another book. I have this one and don't find it helpfull in
learning Spice. It would make a good reference book but I found it lacking
for learning Spice. Are there any others?
Craig
--
"You took the bull by the horns
-Craig Williamson and stepped in something good."
Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM - Balki Bartokomas
craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers
|
6462 | From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes:
>In article <C5IF8u.3Ky@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos
>Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>> >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met
>> >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my
>> >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks)
>>
>> Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help.
>Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks
>who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to
>believe for somebody trying to be objective.
Well, if you put things into historical perspective, the Turks
moved into an area, which was inhabited by Greeks. This is how the history
between the two nations started some centuries ago. Since then, it has been
a continuous battle between the two nations. From my perspective I can't see
why I should say that Greeks have been responsible for what has happened
between the two nations. Of course, it would not be reasonable to argue that
the hostility should drag till we kick the Turks out of this area. This isn't
going to happen, so the best would be to improve the relations between the two
countries. A golden oportunity exists with Cyprus. If things can't work
there, there isn't any possible way that could work between our nations.
>When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot
>blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides.
>What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway?
>Do you think it was your right to be there?
I always avoid to discuss such things. I consider it a waist of my time.
Besides, as I said, I do not want to open a new flame.
>I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only
>not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering.
>It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise.
>I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the
>visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it
>was a positive attempt to make the relations better.
I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists.
I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece
in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this
means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many
Greeks would bother to visit Turkey?
>The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated
>people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person
>because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is
>not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals
>why the hatred?
Come on. Do not extrapolate from your limited personal experience. You err
if you think you'd get a reasonable conclusion.
>Tankut Atan
>tankut@iastate.edu
Panos Tamamidis
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6463 | From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)
Subject: Re: the usual
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) writes:
>I just heard some anti-gun-control people giving the usual arguments:
>It's everyone's right to bear arms, and the way to solve the problem
>of people getting killed by guns is better law enforcement.
>It strikes me that this argument could be logically extended as follows:
>A nuclear weapon is an "arm", hence anyone has a right to have
>nuclear weapons. And if someone uses his nuclear weapons to blow
>up New York, L.A., and Chicago, that's okay as long as we have a
>good police force capable of finding him and putting him in jail,
>which will serve as a deterrent to others.
>Do any anti-gun-control people disagree with this, and if so, why?
Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement.
Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive
decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the
weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things.
(Can you say "neutron flux"?) Plus these things have no self-
defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as
a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use
(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration
(translation: cities and population centers). Not to mention that
for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live
requires some sort of launch vehicle . . .
aaron
arc@cco.caltech.edu
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6464 | From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash)
Subject: Re: 17" Monitors
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes:
>In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes:
>>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just
>>been released.
>What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm
>about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i
>upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead?
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc.
> mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786
The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen
blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it
meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from
adjacent monitors.
Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now.
|
6465 | From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Setting up three-user accounting system with WFWG
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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I am a novice (at best) in working with pc networks, and am in the
process of planning a small accounting system for a small business.
The particular need in this case is for three machines, each in a
different office of the same building, each having access to a
Windows-based accounting system.
My first thought is to set up MS Windows for Workgroups on each of the
machines (likely a 486 and two 386's) along with the appropriate Ethernet
cards and cabling that come with the Windows for Workgroups starter kit (one
additional user kit will be necessary). It then seems logical to purchase
a simple multi-user accounting system, along the lines of DacEasy or
M.Y.O.B., and fire it all up! The 486 will more or less act as server with
a report/check printer attached to it.
Cable runs of 30-40 feet will be necessary for this setup.
Well, this all seems too easy to me. Would any of you network gurus out
there tell me if I am out of my mind here? Any and all suggestions, however
trivial, will be immensely appreciated. My apologies if this has been
brought up before.
Thanks!
John
--
John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92
Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsRushBelaFleck
--
John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92
Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsBC++RushDWeckl
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6466 | From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: Refresh rates of NEC 5fgx?
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Can someone tell me the maximum horizontal and vertical refresh rates of the
NEC 5fgx.(not the 5fge)
Thanks.
|
6467 | From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr12.124221.22592@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:
>
>Oh, this all sounds so nice! Everyone helping each other and always smiling
>and fluffy bunnies everywhere. Wake up! People are just not like that. It
>seems evident from history that no society has succeeded when it had to rely
>upon the goodwill and unselfishness of the people. Isn't it obvious from
>places like Iran that even if there are only a few greedy people in society
>then they are going to be attracted to positions of power? Sounds like a
>recipe for disaster.
>
>--
>
>Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk
Leonard, I'll give you an example of this....
My father recently bought a business, the business price was 150,000 pounds
and my father approached the people in the community for help, he raised
60,000 pounds in interest free loans from friends and relatives and
Muslims he knew, 50,000 had cash and the rest he got a business loan, after
paying off the Muslim lenders many of them helped him with further loans
to help him clear the bank debt and save him from further intrest, this
is an example of a Muslim community helping one another, why did they help
because of their common identity as Muslims. In turn my father has helped
with people buying houses to minimise the amount of intrest they pay
and in some cases buy houses intrest free with the help of those more
fortunate in the community.
The fact is Leonard it DOES work without a fluffy bunny in sight!
iThat is the beauty of Islam.
Mas
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6468 | From: stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson)
Subject: MOOLIT and OLIT
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 10
Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun
support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations?
I have recntly downloaded a copy of wkshTree written by Eric Wallengren
of Univel. There are many widgets that are apparently available only
to MOOLIT but not OLIT.
Is there a wkshTree program available under OLIT?
steved@cfcl.com
|
6469 | From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: "Give Blood" Tee Shirts
Article-I.D.: jethro.1pqkfp$d96
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>The shirts are believe or not from a Bob Probert line of clothes.
>The whole shirt says "Give Blood - Fight Probie".
Cool. They sound like a cult classic. Can someone post a address or
phone # of a store that sells these?
Thanks,
-jake.
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6470 | From: squish@endor.uucp (Shishin Yamada)
Subject: Re: ATARI 2600 Processors
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
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In article <93110.125951PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu> <PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th
>e pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have
>any idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor
>tant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available
>, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very
> important.. Thanks a million...
>
>BTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i
>nfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks
>alot!!
>
>-Peter
The Atari 2600 used a 6502 CPU, just like their entire 8-bit line
(400, 800,1200,1400, 1440, 130xe, 65xe computers, as well as the 5200
game machine). The 2600 had some extra ASIC chips that were basically
modified graphics chips and PIA's for the joysticks. Later model 2600
might have incorporated many of the chips into one ASCI, as the weight
of the machines and part count decreased a lot over the years.
Additionally, I think the 2600 used 2K, 4K, and up to 8K of ROM for
their games. I have no idea how much RAM it had to work with, but I
would hazard a guess of 2 or 4K RAM. Think comes from a lot of hacking
with the 800 and 130xe computers. And occasionally hacking with the
2600 (fixing it for monitor composite video use, and audio hookups).
Also I tryed to make a cartridge-less system that stored the ROM into
a RAM cartridge that could be loaded up at some prior time (a way to
backup cartridges). I've heard of a setup like this where games could
be bought (cheaply) on FSK-recorded tapes, then you would load them
into a special RAM cartidge, and play them.
Anyways, if you're interested in looking for 2600 equipment, we've got
two 2600 machines around (one composite A/V modified), and lotsa
cartridges. Willing to sell for reasonable offer + shipping and
handling. Don't play it anymore, since going to computers + Nintendo
(interested in that too?).
Hope that helps your question... I might grab some 6502's out too,
since they must be fun to play with (as microcontrollers).
-shishin "squish" yamada
squish@endor.harvard.edu
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6471 | From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: food-related seizures?
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I'm told that corn allergy is fairly common. My wife has it and it seems
to be exacerbated if sugar is eaten with the corn.
I suppose that in a person just on the verge of having epilepsy, an
allergic reaction might cause a seizure, but I don't really know.
Gordon?
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:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
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|
6472 | From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Lines: 11
In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members.
>I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way.
I've been a member of the NRA for several years and recently "joined"
HCI. I wanted to see what they were up to and paid the minimum ($15)
to get a membership. I also sent the NRA another $120.
--
Would the founding fathers have approved of encryption so
strong that the government could not break it?
|
6473 | From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh......
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells) writes:
>>I hear <insert favorite rumor here> that it will supposedly coincide
>>with the Atlanta Olympics.
>Even worse, the city of Atlanta has a proposal before it to rent space on this
>orbiting billboard. Considering the caliber of people running this city,
>there's no telling what we're going to have leering down at us from orbit.
I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an
object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital
velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth,
you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. Assuming that rockets with specific
impulses of 300 seconds are easy to produce, a rocket with a dry
weight of 50 kg would require only about 65 kg of fuel+oxidizer.
A small dispersal charge embedded in about 20 kg of sand or
birdshot (depending on the nature of the structure) would be
the payload. I am sure the whole project is well within
the capability of the amateur rocketry community.
It sounds like a good Science Fair project--'Reduction
of Light Pollution Through Applied Ballistics'.
Or, it could be part of the Challenge Prize being discussed
here: $1 billion for the first person to spend 1 year
on the moon, $1 million for the first erradication of
an orbital eyesore/CCD burner. I wouldpledge $1000
for the first person to bring it down, and I am sure
there are at least 999 other astronomers, nature lovers,
or just plain people of good taste who would do likewise.
Of course, a Gerald Bull solution might be simpler.
(Either the solution Gerald Bull would apply--the use
of a large caliber gun; or the solution which was applied
to Gerald Bull--the use of a small caliber gun.)
--
David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov
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6474 | Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
From: <MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...)
<1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>
<1r3dvnINNr29@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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Has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who
were willing, nay demanding, that we wait forever for Mr Hussein and
Iraq, that we use tremendously costly "sanctions", to avoid a loss
of life, are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should
have smashed those "religious radicals" and we were wasting money allowing
this stand off to go on ? How the worm turns when the sect changes.
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6475 | From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were
>> tortured. We ALL suffered.
> All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many
>others suffered physically.
I'm just waiting for Andi to tell us that African Americans should
start paying compensation to White Americans who "suffered" from being
slave owners.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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6476 | Subject: CDs for sale [update]
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 31
CDs for sale shipping is included
Barcelona Gold Freddie Mercury, Tevin Campbell, En Vogue
INXS, Madonna, Eric Clapton, Sarah Brightman
($9.00)
Wayne's World Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper
Eric Clapton
($9.00)
Extreme II Pronograffitti
($9.00)
Saturday Night Live Band Live from New York
($7.00)
Harry Connick, JR. Blue Light *Sold*
(just open, $10.00)
Dances with Woives ($9.00) *Sold*
Handel Classical ($ 6.00) *Sold*
Please send your reply to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Package deal is welcome.
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
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6477 | From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)
Subject: EISA tape controllers
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Lines: 11
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
Is there a QIC-80 format tape drive that comes
with an EISA controller ?
Colorado's 250 only has ISA and MCA controllers.
Thanks. e-mail please.
--
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Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
The Lost Los Angelino |
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6478 | From: spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro)
Subject: Re: NEW CD-ROM for Gateways', and misc. info
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: na
Lines: 15
Terry Clark (tclark@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: The upgrade to a Nanao 550i is now $765.
: (this monitor will handle 1280x1024 at a vertical refresh
: of 72-76Hz).
Not according to Nanao. The 550i will not do better than 60Hz
at 1280x1024. BTW, Gateway told me the same thing.
--
Phil
-------------------------------------------
Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647
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6479 | Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
From: jeff <ACPS7117@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: For Sale: Sound Blaster Card...Hurry!
Lines: 9
Well it seems that I have a soundblaster card for sale since
I recently purchased a SBPro. The card comes complete, In mint
condition; with box, manuals,docs ,disks and original packaging.
Make an offer..._Canadian_ inquiries prefered!
Respond before APRIL 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!
e-mail at acps7117@ryevm.ryerson.ca
J.M.
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6480 | From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Subject: Rockies opening day cast
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 34
Here is the Colorado Rockies openning day cast:
Pitchers
--------
Scott Aldred (L) MLB Totals 31 games, 6-14, 5.08 ERA, 0 saves
Andy Ashby (R) 18 games, 2-8, 6.72 ERA, 0 saves
Willie Blair (R) 67 games, 10-15,4.57 ERA, 0 saves
Butch Henry (L) 28 games, 6-9, 4.02 ERA, 0 saves
Darren Holmes (R) 95 games, 5-9, 4.10 ERA, 9 saves
David Neid (R) 6 games, 3-0, 1.17 ERA, 0 saves
Jeff Parrett (R) 341 games, 46-30,3.65 ERA,21 saves
Steve Reed (R) 18 games, 1-0, 2.30 ERA, 0 saves
Bruce Ruffin (L) 223 games, 43-64,4.31 ERA, 3 saves
Bryn Smith (R) 354 games,106-90,3.44 ERA, 6 saves
Gary Wayne (L) 147 games, 8-8, 3.44 ERA, 3 saves
The rest
--------
Joe Girardi (C) 304 games, .262, 3 HR, 70 RBI, 10 SB
Danny Sheaffer (C) 32 games, .110, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 0 SB
Freddie Benavides (SS) 98 games, .246, 1 HR, 20 RBI, 1 SB
Vinny Castilla (SS) 21 games, .238, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0 SB
Andres Galarraga (1B) 942 games, .267,116HR,472 RBI, 59 SB
Charlie Hayes (3B) 530 games, .250,48 HR,219 RBI, 13 SB
Jim Tatum (3B) 5 games, .125, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Eric Young (2B) 49 games, .258, 1 HR, 11 RBI, 6 SB
Dante Bichette (OF) 424 games, .254,38 HR,176 RBI, 40 SB
Daryl Boston (OF) 882 games, .250,65 HR,224 RBI, 97 SB
Jerald Clark (OF) 339 games, .237,28 HR,126 RBI, 5 SB
Alex Cole (OF) 290 games, .283, 0 HR, 49 RBI, 83 SB
Gerald Young (OF) 605 games, .246, 3 HR,109 RBI,153 SB
Dale Murphy (OF) 15 seasons, .266, 398 HR, 1259 RBI
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6481 | Subject: HELP: is my monitor dying???
From: edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Edwin Ng)
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Lines: 25
Hi. Recently my svga monitor has been acting up by taking about
3 minutes to warm up.
Previously, when I first start up my PC I can see all the
CMOS messages (RAM test ...etc) but now I've got to wait
for about 3min before the display shows anything and
it starts up with a bright white flash. This only happens
when the system has been off for a long time (eg overnight).
If it was only off for a couple of hours and then turned on
again, the display works as normal like before.
Does anyone know what is causing this? Is it a warning that
it will give up soon or just signs of aging (the system is a
386sx and its about 3 yrs old). I've used systems at work for
years and never seen this happen to a monitor yet.
I'd really appreciated any help that you fellow netters can offer.
Thanks a lot.
Edwin
--
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* Edwin Ng (edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz) *
* E&E Engineering, University of Auckland *
* Private Bag 92019, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND *
|
6482 | From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba)
Subject: Re: BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS and Archer
Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 27
Jenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
: medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous
: posting, in which I wrote:
: : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this
: baby
: >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources
: >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source
: >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least
: >one source, you have given none.
: REPLY
: It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most
: outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves.
: I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than
: original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad
: to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now,
: rather than about arguing.
I guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff
posted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same.
--
Dale Skiba
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6483 | From: Jeff Wishnie <jwishnie@taligent.com>
Subject: Genesis carts forsale
X-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:53:47 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d3
Lines: 16
Posting for a friend: please call Steve, 415 252-1618, if interested.
SEGA Genesis games for sale.
In original boxes with original manuals.
Approximately 1 month old.
-- John Madden Football '93, Electronic Arts, $40.00 obo
-- Ecco The Dolphin, SEGA,, $40.00 obo
Again, I'm posting for a friend. If interested, call:
Steve
415 252-1618
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6484 | From: apryan@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Cosmos 2238
Lines: 11
Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.tcd.ie
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Lines: 11
I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993-
018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short,
EVERYTHING! Can you help?
-Tony Ryan, "Astronomy & Space", new International magazine, available from:
Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland.
6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail).
ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).
(WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%)
Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min
|
6485 | From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)
Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 42
In article <Apr.9.01.09.22.1993.16580@athos.rutgers.edu> munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes:
>I am doing a dormitory bible "discussion" with my Christian roommate and
>in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God
>and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same
>way now?"
>
[insert huge deletion of all following material since it had little
relevance to what I've found]
OK. The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right (so far, I've
announced that space is a vacuum)? The people who lived during the time
Jesus lived (especially disciples) were taught this: "I tell you the
truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He
will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the
Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may
bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and
I will do it." (John 14:12-14)
So, Jesus asked them to pray for things in his name. Since that time,
the request has been the same, not to ask for intercession from other
beings, but from Jesus. Remember that "there is one God and one
mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as
a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time." (1
Timothy 2:5-6. Also, "there have been many of those priests [talking
about priests among the Hebrews], since death prevented them from
continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a
permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who
come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."
(Hebrews 7:23-25). Hebrews is also full of areas talking about Jesus
being our mediator rather than any other man.
Joe Fisher
["The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right" may not be as
obvious as you think. In what sense to you mean didn't have?
Christian thought has generally said that they had Jesus in the sense
that they were saved by his death. God is not bound by our
chronology. So in some real spiritual sense they did "have Jesus".
Even in terms of knowledge, while they surely didn't have the explicit
knowledge that we have, Christians have normally seen messianic
prophecy as knowledge of Jesus, even if knowledge from afar.
--clh]
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6486 | From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 19
Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
: Just curious.
: Daemon
What he said...
--
TMC
(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
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6487 | From: umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu (Mathew Scott Smith)
Subject: Axion Serial port switcher: Good or bad?
Organization: Drexel University
Lines: 26
Hi!
I'm looking into buying a serial port switcher, because while my Mac has
two serial ports, I have AppleTalk, a modem, a printer, MIDI, and a sound
digitizer. (2 != 5, unfortunately.)
Specifically, I'm looking at the Axion electronic switcher, because it
seems to be fairly cheap. (About $128 at MacZone.)
Does anyone know anything about it? I've heard that with most of these
things you can still only use 2 serial ports at a time, it just prevents you
from physically swapping cables. Although I've also heard that programs
that use the Comm Toolbox may be able to use as many serial ports as they
want; does anyone know if this is true with the Axion switchbox?
Finally, if the Axion stinks, or if you're using something else that you
think is good, I'd be interested in hearing about other products. I would
like to spend under $140, if possible.
Please reply through mail; I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup.
If there's interest, I can post a summary of replies.
Thanks a lot!
M. Scott Smith
(umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu)
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6488 | From: Kathy_McTaggart@mindlink.bc.ca (Kathy McTaggart)
Subject: Sound input in SE/30
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 19
A couple of questions for the multimedia set:
1. Does anybody have a phone or fax number, or e-mail address, or name of a
principal in CEDAR Technologies in Dublin, New Hampshire? All I have is a
post-office box number, and I want to ask a couple of questions before
sending
them some money. Any info much appreciated.
2. I'm running an SE/30, which came with no microphone. Is there any way,
other than using MacRecorder with SoundEdit or CEDAR's digitizer with some
similar software, to input recorded sound into my Mac? I'm trying to play
some
very short interview clips in a HyperCard stack.
Thanks for any and all help.
Kathy McTaggart
|
6489 | From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?
Organization: University of East Anglia
Distribution: net
Lines: 22
lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>There has been a running thread on the need to understand
>countersteering. I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has
>any basis in fact or study. The bottom line is:
>The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
>the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
>The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
>provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
>even after many years of practice.
I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?
|
6490 | From: SHAGBERG@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: updated keyboard question for the plus
Organization: Illinois State University
Lines: 44
I have an old Mac Plus. A couple of years ago I bought a shiney new lc.
It came with apple's new keyboard (with abd ports). i replaced it with
a mac-pro-plus extended keyboard (which i thoroughly enjoy, thank you
very much).
well, i have this extra keyboard which i would like to use on the plus
but there's a little problem. the plus uses an rj-11 jack for keyboard
input and the new keyboards don't. i got an extra adb cable from my
local apple dealer (they're such nice people), but they couldn't tell
me the order of the wires.
there are four wires in the adb cables: black, white, red, tan. I know
one's a ground, one gets the serial signal, one supplies 5 volts, and
i forgot what the fourth one does. anyway, if you hook them up wrong
you'll fry a board and i <really> don't want to do <that>.
if any brave souls out there have done this before, please e-mail your
experience directly to me. i would greatly appreciate it especially
since apple's original keyboard is not . . . ergonomically correct.
btw, i did take apart my new keyboard to see if i could find the
correlation between the wires for the rj-11 jack and the adb since it
has both, but no such luck (the connections are soldered inside of
little boxes). Oh, well . . .
one more thing: in case you are thinking that the ABD ports on the
newer models are different from the connection used on the plus---
you're right. however, you can use the telephone cable from the plus
and connect the mac-pro-plus keyboard via its own rj-11 jack. in
other words, this little engineering feat i wish to do *is* possible.
it's merely a matter of finding out the correct order.
omt, when i get this to work, i definitely will post the solution
so others can, too. thanx for the input.
*****************************************************************
* Tis the blink of an eye, tis the draught of a breath, *
* From the blossoms of health, to the paleness of death, *
* From the gilded saloon, to the briar in the shroud, *
* O, why should the spirit of mortal be proud? *
* -William Knox *
*****************************************************************
* shagberg@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu *
*****************************************************************
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6491 | Subject: "STAR GARTDS" <sp?> Info wanted
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac
Lines: 11
A friend's daughter has been diagnosed with an eye disease called "Star
Gartds" (or something close) - it is apparently genetic, according to her,
and affects every fourth generation.
She would appreciate any information about this condition. If anything is
available via ftp, please point me in the right direction..
--
The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher
(604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT
Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island
with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac
|
6492 | From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Re: Bible Quiz
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
In article <kmr4.1563.734805744@po.CWRU.edu>, kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
> In article <1qgbmt$c4f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank D. Kirschner) writes:
>
>> ---
>
> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
>
>
Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God
of inbreeding to which you are his only son.
Pope John Paul
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6493 | From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 4
Actually, with several sharware utilities, you cn change both. My fav is
Plug-In.
bryan dunne
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6494 | From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu
Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP!
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Lines: 17
Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu
In article <1qmf6l$euh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) writes:
>From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu:
>> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP!
>
>Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . .
>look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence
>for the font you want!
>
Thanks, I think I've figured it out now.
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| Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I |
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| Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major|
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| Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI |
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|
6495 | From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Subject: Re: Religion and history; The real discuss
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Lines: 38
Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82
Matthew Huntbach writes:
sm[?]>a real Christian unless you're born again is a very fundamental biblical
sm[?]>conversion and regeneration are 'probably' part of some small USA-based cult
>the "born-again" tag often use it to mean very specifically
>having undergone some sort of ecstatic experience (which can in
>fact be very easily manufactured with a little psychological manipulation),
>and are often insultingly dismissive of those whose
>Christianity is a little more intellectual, is not the result
Some of these "cults", which seems like a rather dismissive term
to me, are pretty big here in the USA. Most of them
are quite respectable & neiborly & do not resemble Branch Davidians
in the least; confusing them is a mistake. What about "live &
let live", folks? I'm sure we can uncover a few extremist loonies
who are Catholic -- the anti-abortion movement in the USA seems to have a
few hard cases in it, for example.
>I've often heard such people use the line "Catholics aren't
>real Christians". Indeed, anyone sending "missionaries" to
>Ireland must certainly be taking this line, for otherwise why
>would they not be content for Christianity to be maintained in
>Ireland in its traditional Catholic form?
I have to agree Matthew with this; I have certainly encountered a lot
of anti-Catholic-religion propaganda & emotion (& some bigotry) from
members of certain religious groups here. They also practice their
missionary work with zeal among Catholics in the United States, but to
someone who is or was raised Catholic such rhetoric is pretty
off-putting. It may work better in an environment where there's a lot
of popular anti-clericalism.
Follow-ups set elsewhere, this no longer seems very relevant to Celtic issues
to me.
--
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6496 | From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB")
Subject: How do they ignite the SSME?
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Organization: [via International Space University]
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
Distribution: sci
Lines: 21
on Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 12:38:50 GMT, Paul Dietz <dietz@cs.rochester.edu>
writes:
/in essence, holding a match under the nozzle, is just *nuts*. One
/thing you absolutely must do in such an engine is to guarantee that
/the propellants ignite as soon as they mix, within milliseconds. To
/do otherwise is to fill your engine with a high explosive mixture
/which, when it finally does ignite, blows everything to hell.
Definitely! In one of the reports of an early test conducted by Rocketdyne at
their Santa Susanna Field Lab ("the Hill" above the San Fernando and Simi
Valleys), the result of a hung start was described as "structural failure" of
the combustion chamber. The inspection picture showed pumps with nothing below
, the CC had vaporized! This was described in a class I took as a "typical
engineering understatement" :-)
Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind).
Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578
Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics
"Man will not fly for fifty years": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901
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6497 | From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck)
Subject: Daily Verse
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For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice
of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will
rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together
to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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6498 | From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)
Subject: Re: Need polygon splitting algo...
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Keywords: polygons, splitting, clipping
In article <1qvq4b$r4t@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au>, g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) writes:
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|> The idea is to clip one polygon using another polygon (not
|> necessarily rectangular) as a window. My problem then is in
|> finding out all the new vertices of the resulting "subpolygons"
|> from the first one. Is this simply a matter of extending the
|> usual algorithm whereby each of the edges of one polygon is checked
|> against another polygon??? Is there a simpler way??
|>
|> Comments welcome.
|>
|> Noel.
It depends on what kind of the polygons.
Convex - simple, concave - trouble, concave with loop(s)
inside - big trouble.
Of cause, you can use the box test to avoid checking
each edges. According to my experience, there is not
a simple way to go. The headache stuff is to deal with
the special cases, for example, the overlapped lines.
Yeh
USC
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6499 | From: msbendts@mtu.edu (BENDTSEN)
Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini
Organization: Michigan Technological University
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sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen) writes:
: Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.
:
: I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows.
: The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows.
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: I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s.
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: Do I find it on any FTP host?
:
: Svein
Well, in the latest Windows magazine, there is an advertisement for a program
that will help you uninstall windows apps from your harddisk (Uninstaller)
but it can be used to update a network, but only for deleting, not adding
or changing their *.ini files. (Uninstaller, by MicroHelp Inc. $79
1-800-922-3383)
I am also looking for an *.ini updater for my PC network, and so far without
any luck. So for the time being I have been pushing DOS and it's batch
language to its limit...look into DOS 5.0's (I am assumming that DOS 6.0
has the same command, maybe even more..or less..improved) REPLACE command.
I use this to update our users personal files with a master set in a batch
file that is run everytime they invoke Windows. This basically overwrites
their color schemes, but does what I need it to do. Not neat, but does
the job...I'm looking for a better solution though.
Mike
Just relaying what I know...a not for profit service.
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Mike Bendtsen (msbendts @ mtu.edu)
740 Elm St. Apt#4 CCLI Senior Technical Consultant
Hancock, MI 49930 Michigan Technological University
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