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From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 15 On a slightly different note: There are two buildings in NY state with big 666 numbers on the roof :) One in Manhattan and one near Garden City. The Garden City one is a nice black unmarked building... -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .
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From: kedz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John Kedziora) Subject: Motorcycle wanted. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 11 Expires: 5/1/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu Followup-To:kedz@wpi.wpi.edu Distribution: ne Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Keywords: I am looking for an inexpensive motorcycle, nothing fancy, have to be able to do all maintinence my self. looking in the <$400 range. if you can help me out, GREAT!, please reply by e-mail.
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From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >>: >>: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >>: is insuring that the "limited government" they seek does not become the >>: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >>: [...] >It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many instances. >Just >as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how >weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >condition. I suspect that this is because "improvement in the human condition" as you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of government coercion except in a very limited cases. -- Ian Sutherland ian@eecs.nwu.edu Sans Peur
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Distribution: usa Lines: 69 oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. SeAL Team six should have handled it? Delta Force? The BATF had more than enough equipment and men. They did not have good intel, but they did have poor planning. They fucked up. Even in just the most basic military sense, they fucked up. Excuses do not justify body counts. >The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored >transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use >more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to >do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they >must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. And your excuses fall upon deaf ears when the same BATF has shown shitty leadership despite more people, better weapons, and exclusive use of armor against their targets. BATF is nothing more than a private army of the government. Do the agents swear an oath, as I did, to uphold the Constitution? You know, that document that stipulates the highest law of the land? If they do, they should be up for charges in a court of law. Remember, the law? That's the whole reason for any of this. >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. Yeah, I've been related to many of them. This is flame-bait, right? I'm not paying your price. Mind if I sight in my guns on your body? Think of it as the price you have to pay that we may all live without fear of my making a stray shot. It's fine and dandy to revel in the other guy being the target and your supposed safety. In the military, we called this "chicken shit." Leadership from the rear. The War on Drugs, despite being a catchy term for nothing more than a continuation of policy since before this century, seems to have gotten you convinced that my rights aren't worth your good vibes. Mind if I cut your net access, as well as access to any and all forms of expression? See, you make me nervous, what with you being able to influence so many. I'm sure you can see how this is the price we have to pay for freedom and liberty in this country, as well as a fair and unbiased judiciary. >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. Mind if we include you in the body count? I'm sure we could all file it under "civic improvement" and your life wouldn't have been sacrificed in vain. If you like, you can will your estate to defecit reduction, too. Now, when you learn how the law protects, or doesn't protect, everybody equally and how our collective boot may one day be on your collective throat, perhaps at that time you will mature enough to realize just what you're talking about and how serious this is. Next time, include a smiley. While I hesitate to think that you could have meant this seriously, it deserved a small flame anyway. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: dkennett@fraser.sfu.ca (Daniel Kennett) Subject: [POV] Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a sphere Summary: Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a spher in POVray Keywords: bump map Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 44 Hello, I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I can't seem to get it to work. Image mapping works, but not bump mapping. Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind soul tell me whats wrong with this..... #include "colors.inc" #include "shapes.inc" #include "textures.inc" camera { location <0 1 -3> direction <0 0 1.5> up <0 1 0> right <1.33 0 0> look_at <0 1 2> } object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White } } object { sphere { <0 1 2> 1 } texture { bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif "surf.gif"} } } NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the landscape palette map. Thanks in advance -Daniel- *======================================================================* | Daniel Kennett | | dkennett@sfu.ca | | "Our minds are finite, and yet even in those circumstances of | | finitude, we are surrounded by possibilities that are infinite, and | | the purpose of human life is to grasp as much as we can out of that | | infinitude." - Alfred North Whitehead | *======================================================================*
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Subject: IDE & MFM in same machine? HOW? From: lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Organization: Mankato State University Lines: 16 If anyone out there can help, I would greatly appreciate it. This christmas, I built a computer out of used parts for my Father-in-law. The disk drive that I installed was a Seagate 251-1 MFM. Anyway, he now he would like to put another HD into this system. I DON'T want to buy another MFM, the only reason why I used an MFM in the first place is that it was FREE. Would I need a special IDE HD controller? Also, if I do need a special IDE controller, where can I purchase one, & how much are they? Please send any responses to: lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Thanks in advance, Stan Tyree
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From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 5 Nikon FM-2n with 50 mm Nikkor and accessories for sale.I bought this camera in Hong Kong two years ago and everything has been looked after very well. I'm now selling some more gear to finance my next big film project. Asking $350 for package. NO BARGAINS.
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From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. The Japanese spacecraft, Hiten, crashed on the Moon last weekend. For the past three years it has made several lunar flybys and even did some aerobraking experiments with Earth's atmosphere. It was placed in lunar orbit in February 1992, and I guess it finally ran out of fuel and was unable to maintain its orbit around the Moon. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
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Organization: City University of New York From: <KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Subject: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson Lines: 49 The Roman Catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line up with Pat Robertson and his ultra Right Wing Christian Coalition. Former Secretary of Education William Bennet, a Roman Catholic, stood beside the Christian Coalition's spokesman Ralph Reed at a March 3 conference in Washington. The purpose of the conference was to publish results of a Christian Coalition poll which was designed to prove that the Republican party would lose major support if it backed away from the "Family Values" positons of the '92 convention. Conservative Catholics have swung behind Robertson's organization with political expertise, legal assistance and high tech communications support. The Catholic Campaign for American, designed as a Catholic version of the Moral Majority, was founded by Marlene Elwell and Tom Wykes. Ms. Elwell has been with Robertson since the days of his Freedom Council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988. Ms. Elwell was hired by Domino's Pizza magnate, Tom Monaghan, in 1989 to manage Legatus, a "nonpolitical", Catholic businessmen's group. Membership is limited to Catholics who head corporations with a least $4 million in annual revenues. Relying on a network of wealthy contacts at Legatus, Elwell and Wykes had little trouble forming and funding the Catholic Campaign. The Campaign's list of national committee members includes U.S. Rep. Robert K. Dornan, Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, the lovely Pat Buchanan and Rev. Richard J. Neuhaus. Also on the national committee is Keith Fournier, a Catholic who heads Pat Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice. Another Catholic, Thomas Patrick Monaghan, senior counsel of Robertson's ACLJ, is also an active supporter of the Catholic Campaign. The board of directors includes Frank Shakespeare, broadcasting exec and former U.S. ambassador to the Pope, Wall Street executive Frank Lynch, former Reagan official Richard V. Allen, Bishop Rene Gracida of Corpus Christi and Mary Ellen Bork, wife of unsuccessful Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork. In the Winter 1992 issue of _Campaign Update_ the organization's quarterly newsletter, Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business executive wrote: "Separation of church and state is a false premise that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of our constitution." Oh yes, the organization's "national ecclesisatical advisor" is Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. Jack Carroll
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 6 _TOO_ many. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? |
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From: Dan Wallach <dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (2/4): General Info [monthly posting] Supersedes: <typing-injury-faq/general_734664243@cs.berkeley.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 409 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:18:16 GMT Reply-To: Dan Wallach <dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: information about where to get more information Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/general Version: $Revision: 4.28 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 04:17:58 $ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Typing Injuries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Typing Injury FAQ -- sources of information for people with typing injuries, repetitive stress injuries, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc. Copyright 1992,1993 by Dan Wallach <dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu> Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as typing-injury-faq/general.Z There's a mail server also. Just e-mail mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the word 'help' on a line by itself in the body. The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor. I'm not a medical doctor, so my advice should be taken with many grains of salt. [Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors, {news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu, sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu, and cstg-L@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu] Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change || bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph. || Table of Contents: ==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc. ==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive ==3== General info on injuries ==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment ==5== Requests for more info ==6== References ==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc. USENET News: ----------- comp.human-factors occasionally has discussion about alternative input devices. comp.risks has an occasional posting relevant to injuries via computers. sci.med and misc.handicap also tend to have relevant traffic. There's a Brand New newsgroup, sci.med.occupational, chartered specifically to discuss these things. This would be the recommended place to post. Mailing lists: ------------- The RSI Network: Available both on paper and via e-mail, this publication covers issues relevant to those with repetitive stress injuries. For a sample issue and subscription information, send a stamped, self- addressed business envelope to Caroline Rose, 970 Paradise Way, Palo Alto CA 94306. E-mail to <crose@applelink.apple.com> $2 donation, requested. All RSI Network newsletters are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu (see below for details). c+health and sorehand are both IBM Listserv things. For those familiar with Listserv, here's the quick info: c+health -- subscribe to listserv@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu post to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu sorehand -- subscribe to listserv@vm.ucsf.edu post to sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu Quick tutorial on subscribing to a Listserv: % mail listserv@vm.ucsf.edu Subject: Total Listserv Mania! SUBSCRIBE SOREHAND J. Random Hacker INFO ? . That's all there is to it. You'll get bunches of mail back from the Listserv, including a list of other possible commands you can mail. Cool, huh? What'll those BITNET people think of, next? ==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive I've started an archive site for info related to typing injuries. Just anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury. (128.32.149.19) Currently, you'll find: Informative files: typing-injury-faq/ general -- information about typing injuries keyboards -- products to replace your keyboard software -- software to watch your keyboard usage changes -- changes since last month's edition (new!) || keyboard-commentary -- Dan's opinions on the keyboard replacements amt.advice -- about Adverse Mechanical Tension caringforwrists.sit.hqx -- PageMaker4 document about your wrists caringforwrists.ps -- PostScript converted version of above... carpal.info -- info on Carpal Tunnel Syndrome carpal.explained -- very detailed information about CTS carpal.surgery -- JAMA article on CTS surgery carpal.tidbits -- TidBITS article on CTS tendonitis.info -- info on Tendonitis rsi.biblio -- bibliography of RSI-related publications rsi-network/* -- archive of the RSI Network newsletter (currently, containing issues 1 through 11) || rsi.details -- long detailed information about RSI rsi.physical -- study showing RSI isn't just psychological Various product literature: apple-press -- press release on the Apple Adjustable Keyboard apple-tidbits -- extensive info about Apple's Adjustable Keybd bat-info -- MacWeek review on the Bat || comfort-* -- marketing info on the Comfort Keyboard datahand-review -- detailed opinions of the DataHand datahand-review2 -- follow-up to above datahand-desc -- description of the DataHand's appearance kinesis-review -- one user's personal opinions maltron-* -- marketing info on various Maltron products maltron-review -- one user's personal opinions vertical-info -- marketing info on the Vertical (new!) || Programs: (With the exception of accpak.exe, everything here is distributed as source to be compiled with a Unix system. Some programs take advantage of the X window system, also.) hsh.shar -- a program for one-handed usage of normal keyboards typewatch.shar -- tells you when to take a break xdvorak.c -- turns your QWERTY keyboard into Dvorak xidle.shar -- keeps track of how long you've been typing rest-reminder.sh -- yet another idle watcher kt15.tar -- generates fake X keyboard events from the serial port -- use a PC keyboard on anything! (new improved version!) accpak.exe -- a serial port keyboard spoofer for MS Windows (Note: a2x.tar and rk.tar are both from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/ so they may have a more current version than soda.) a2x.tar -- a more sophisticated X keyboard/mouse spoofing program. Supports DragonDictate. (note: a new version is now available) || rk.tar -- the reactive keyboard -- predicts what you'll type next -- saves typing Pictures (in the gifs subdirectory): howtosit.gif -- picture of good sitting posture (the caringforwrists document is better for this) accukey1.gif -- fuzzy picture accukey2.gif -- fuzzy picture with somebody using it apple.gif -- the Apple Adjustable Keyboard || bat.gif -- the InfoGrip Bat comfort.gif -- the Health Care Comfort Keyboard datahand1.gif -- fuzzy picture datahand2.gif -- key layout schematic datahand3.gif -- a much better picture of the datahand flexpro.gif -- the Key Tronic FlexPro keyboard || kinesis1.gif -- the Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard kinesis2.gif -- multiple views of the Kinesis || maltron[1-4].gif -- several pictures of Maltron products mikey1.gif -- the MIKey mikey2.gif -- Schematic Picture of the MIKey tony.gif -- The Tony! Ergonomic Keysystem || twiddler1.gif -- "front" view twiddler2.gif -- "side" view vertical.gif -- the Vertical keyboard || wave.gif -- the Iocomm `Wave' keyboard Many files are compressed (have a .Z ending). If you can't uncompress a file locally, soda will do it. Just ask for the file, without the .Z extension. If you're unable to ftp to soda, send me e-mail and we'll see what we can arrange. ==3== General info on injuries First, and foremost of importance: if you experience pain at all, then you absolutely need to go see a doctor. As soon as you possibly can. The difference of a day or two can mean the difference between a short recovery and a long, drawn-out ordeal. GO SEE A DOCTOR. Now, your garden-variety doctor may not necessarily be familiar with this sort of injury. Generally, any hospital with an occupational therapy clinic will offer specialists in these kinds of problems. DON'T WAIT, THOUGH. GO SEE A DOCTOR. The remainder of this information is paraphrased, without permission, from a wonderful report by New Zealand's Department of Labour (Occupational Safety and Health Service): "Occupational Overuse Syndrome. Treatment and Rehabilitation: A Practitioner's Guide". First, a glossary (or, fancy names for how you shouldn't have your hands): (note: you're likely to hear these terms from doctors and keyboard vendors :) RSI: Repetitive Strain Injury - a general term for many kinds of injuries OOS: Occupational Overuse Syndrome -- synonym for RSI CTD: Cumulative Trauma Disorder -- another synonym for RSI WRULD: Work-Related Upper Limb Disorders -- yet another synonym for RSI CTS: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (see below) Hyperextension: Marked bending at a joint. Pronation: Turning the palm down. Wrist extension: Bending the wrist up. Supination: Turning the palm up. Wrist flexion: Bending the wrist down. Pinch grip: The grip used for a pencil. Ulnar deviation: Bending the wrist towards the little finger. Power grip: The grip used for a hammer. Radial Deviation: Bending the wrist toward the thumb. Abduction: Moving away from the body. Overspanning: Opening the fingers out wide. Now then, problems come in two main types: Local conditions and diffuse conditions. Local problems are what you'd expect: specific muscles, tendons, tendon sheaths, nerves, etc. being inflamed or otherwise hurt. Diffuse conditions, often mistaken for local problems, can involve muscle discomfort, pain, burning and/or tingling; with identifiable areas of tenderness in muscles, although they're not necessarily "the problem." --- Why does Occupational Overuse Syndrome occur? Here's the theory. Normally, your muscles and tendons get blood through capillaries which pass among the muscle fibers. When you tense a muscle, you restrict the blood flow. By the time you're exerting 50% of your full power, you're completely restricting your blood flow. Without fresh blood, your muscles use stored energy until they run out, then they switch to anaerobic (without oxygen) metabolism, which generates nasty by-products like lactic acid, which cause pain. Once one muscle hurts, all its neighbors tense up, perhaps to relieve the load. This makes sense for your normal sort of injury, but it only makes things worse with repetitive motion. More tension means less blood flow, and the cycle continues. Another by-product of the lack of blood flow is tingling and numbness from your nerves. They need blood too. Anyway, when you're typing too much, you're never really giving a change for the blood to get back where it belongs, because your muscles never relax enough to let the blood through. Stress, poor posture, and poor ergonomics, only make things worse. --- Specific injuries you may have heard of: (note: most injuries come in two flavors: acute and chronic. Acute injuries are severely painful and noticable. Chronic conditions have less pronounced symptoms but are every bit as real.) Tenosynovitis -- an inflamation of the tendon sheath. Chronic tenosynovitis occurs when the repetitive activity is mild or intermittent: not enough to cause acute inflamation, but enough to exceed the tendon sheath's ability to lubricate the tendon. As a result, the tendon sheath thickens, gets inflamed, and you've got your problem. Tendonitis -- an inflammation of a tendon. Repeated tensing of a tendon can cause inflamation. Eventually, the fibers of the tendon start separating, and can even break, leaving behind debris which induces more friction, more swelling, and more pain. "Sub-acute" tendonitis is more common, which entails a dull ache over the wrist and forearm, some tenderness, and it gets worse with repetitive activity. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome -- the nerves that run through your wrist into your fingers get trapped by the inflamed muscles around them. Symptoms include feeling "pins and needles", tingling, numbness, and even loss of sensation. CTS is often confused for a diffuse condition. Adverse Mechanical Tension -- also known as 'neural tension', this is where the nerves running down to your arm have become contracted and possibly compressed as a result of muscle spasms in the shoulders and elsewhere. AMT can often misdiagnosed as or associated with one of the other OOS disorders. It is largely reversible and can be treated with physiotherapy (brachial plexus stretches and trigger point therapy). Others: for just about every part of your body, there's a fancy name for a way to injure it. By now, you should be getting an idea of how OOS conditions occur and why. Just be careful: many inexperienced doctors misdiagnose problems as Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, when in reality, you may have a completely different problem. Always get a second opinion before somebody does something drastic to you (like surgery). ==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment The most important element of both prevention and recovery is to reduce tension in the muscles and tendons. This requires learning how to relax. If you're under a load of stress, this is doubly important. Tune out the world and breath deep and regular. Relaxing should become a guiding principle in your work: every three minutes take a three second break. EVERY THREE MINUTES, TAKE A THREE SECOND BREAK. Really, do it every three minutes. It's also helpful to work in comfortable surroundings, calm down, and relax. If you can't sleep, you really need to focus on this. Rest, sleep, and relaxation are really a big deal. There are all kinds of other treatments, of course. Drugs can reduce inflamation and pain. Custom-molded splints can forcefully prevent bad posture. Surgery can fix some problems. Exercise can help strengthen your muscles. Regular stretching can help prevent injury. Good posture and a good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension. Ice or hot-cold contrast baths also reduce swelling. Only your doctor can say what's best for you. --- Posture -- here are some basic guidelines. [I so liked the way this was written in the New Zealand book that I'm lifting it almost verbatim from Appendix 10. -- dwallach] . Let your shoulders relax. . Let your elbows swing free. . Keep your wrists straight. . Pull your chin in to look down - don't flop your head forward. . Keep the hollow in the base of your spine. . Try leaning back in the chair. . Don't slouch or slump forward. . Alter your posture from time to time. . Every 20 minutes, get up and bend your spine backward. Set the seat height, first. Your feet should be flat on the floor. There should be no undue pressure on the underside of your thighs near the knees, and your thighs should not slope too much. Now, draw yourself up to your desk and see that its height is comfortable to work at. If you are short, this may be impossible. The beest remedy is to raise the seat height and prevent your legs from dangling by using a footrest. Now, adjust the backrest height so that your buttocks fit into the space between the backrest and the seat pan. The backrest should support you in the hollow of your back, so adjust its tilt to give firm support in this area. If you operate a keyboard, you will be able to spend more time leaning back, so experiment with a chair with a taller backrest, if available. [Now, I diverge a little from the text] A good chair makes a big difference. If you don't like your chair, go find a better one. You really want adjustments for height, back angle, back height, and maybe even seat tilt. Most arm rests seem to get in the way, although some more expensive chairs have height adjustable arm rests which you can also rotate out of the way. You should find a good store and play with all these chairs -- pick one that's right for you. In the San Francisco Bay Area, I highly recommend "Just Chairs." The name says it all. --- Keyboard drawers, wrist pads, and keyboard replacements: There is a fair amount of controvery on how to get this right. For some people, wrist pads seem to work wonders. However, with good posture, you shouldn't be resting your wrists on anything -- you would prefer your keyboard to be "right there". If you drop your arms at your side and then lift your hands up at the elbow, you want your keyboard under your hands when your elbows are at about 90 degrees. Of course, you want to avoid pronation, wrist extension, and ulnar deviation at all costs. Wrist pads may or may not help at this. You should get somebody else to come and look at how you work: how you sit, how you type, and how you relax. It's often easier for somebody else to notice your hunched shoulders or deviated hands. Some argue that the normal, flat keyboard is antiquated and poorly designed. A number of replacements are available, on the market, today. Check out the accompanying typing-injury-faq/keyboards for much detail. ==5== Requests for more info Clearly, the above information is incomplete. The typing-injury archive is incomplete. There's always more information out there. If you'd like to submit something, please send me mail, and I'll gladly throw it in. If you'd like to maintain a list of products or vendors, that would be wonderful! I'd love somebody to make a list of chair/desk vendors. I'd love somebody to make a list of doctors. I'd love somebody to edit the above sections, looking for places where I've obviously goofed. ==6== References I completely rewrote the information section here, using a wonderful guide produced in New Zealand by their Occupational Safety & Health Service, a service of their Department of Labour. Special thanks to the authors: Wigley, Turner, Blake, Darby, McInnes, and Harding. Semi-bibliographic reference: . Occupational Overuse Syndrome . Treatment and Rehabilitation: A Practitioner's Guide Published by the Occupational Safety and Health Service Department of Labour Wellington, New Zealand. First Edition: June 1992 ISBN 0-477-3499-3 Price: $9.95 (New Zealand $'s, of course) Thanks to Richard Donkin <richardd@hoskyns.co.uk> for reviewing this posting. -- Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48.
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From: greg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gregory Lehman) Subject: Looking for drawing packages Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. Lines: 24 Greetings. I am developing an application that allows a *user* to interactively create/edit/view a visual "model" (i.e. topology) of their network, and I was wondering if anyone knew of any builder tools that exist to simplify this task. In the past I have used Visual Edge's UIM/X product to develop other GUIs, so I am familiar with UIMSs in general. The topology will support objects and connecting links. Once the topology is created, I want to provide the user with capabilities to support grouping, zooming, etc. I am looking for some form of a higher abstraction other than X drawing routines to accomplish this. Specifically, the zooming and grouping aspects may prove difficult, and certainly time consuming, if I have to "roll my own". Suggestions? -greg greg@software.mitel.com
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From: havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) Subject: HELP!!! GRASP Reply-To: havardn@edb.tih.no Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15 1.20 (running under MS-Windows) Lines: 13 Hi! Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other picture formats. (I've got some animations that I'd like to transfer to my Amiga) I really hope that someone can help me. Cheers Haavard Nesse - Trondheim College of Engineering, Trondheim, Norway
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly... Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 47 dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: Gannon, why don't you tell the readers of these newsgroups how you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles claiming non-Whites are inferior? # THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE The Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don't expect this fact to deter "Maynard". BTW, Gannon's ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing museums and collections, some of which served to educate the public about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such collection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these around: Letter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Brandt, November 2 1942 ["Trial of the Major War Criminals", p. 520] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Comarade Brandt, As you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything needed for his research work. For certain anthropological researches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on them - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz. However, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his research: Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration Camp ["The Natzweiler Trial", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89] -------------------------------------------------------------------- ... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners (60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in Strasbourg. -Danny Keren.
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From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas) Subject: Mouse Jumpiness Solved! Nntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com Reply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com Organization: AT&T Tridom Lines: 24 Can't guarantee that it'll work for everyone, but I finally fixed my mouse jumpiness problems: I installed a bus mouse. (Sorry, I didn't say the solution was free.) In the past I'd tried everything with my Microsoft serial mouse. (Cleaning it, unloading all kinds of TSRs, turning off SMARTDRV write cacheing, changing COM ports, ...) Nothing worked. Yesterday I finally broke down and bought a Mouse Systems Bus Mouse. The improvement is even better than I had imagined! So much so that my old mouse must have been jumpy all the time (I just thought it was jumpy sometimes), and I had gotten so used to it I didn't notice. My wife, who uses the computer about once a month, noticed the improvement literally within a second! I can't say anything about other bus mice, but with the Mouse Systems one you'll have to give up either COM2 or LPT2 to an IRQ. Also, if you don't know, Mouse Systems mice have three buttons. The driver includes a utility that lets you assign keystrokes to the middle button. Hope this helps someone else. If you're anywhere near as frustrated as I was, it's well worth the $80. --- Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522) email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat
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From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: First Spacewalk Organization: Motorola Distribution: sci Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 14 In article <C5suMG.2rF.1@cs.cmu.edu> flb@flb.optiplan.fi ("F.Baube[tm]") writes: >At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk >(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake. > >Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ? > >Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ? This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into the footage of the actual spacewalk. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 22 In article <1qn19m$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes: >I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn > stuff deleted... >Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, >fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or >so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more >like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any >warranty work, without counting against the refund. >--mike > in general extended warranties are a ripoff. this 6yr/60k is really only 3yr/24k because you get the 3yr/36k one *free* with the car. also, is there perhaps a deductible you pay each and every time you use the warranty? also, are certain items excluded from coverage on the extended warranty? and if you use it at year 4 for some 60 buck job and pay a 50 deduct and then you have used it so no refund ever! again, extended warranties are ripoff, high profit items for the dealer. >
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From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Playoff pool entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far. There are at least 40 entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993! In the interest of fairness, since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks, so that you all won't cry "rigged" after I declare myself the winner. Here they are: Series Your Pick Games Division Semifinals Pittsburgh-New Jersey Pittsburgh 5 Washington-NY Islanders NY Islanders 6 Boston-Buffalo Boston 5 Quebec-Montreal Quebec 7 Chicago-St. Louis Chicago 4 Detroit-Toronto Detroit 6 Vancouver-Winnipeg Winnipeg 7 Calgary-Los Angeles Calgary 7 Division Finals Patrick Pittsburgh 6 Adams Quebec 7 Norris Chicago 7 Smythe Calgary Conference Finals Wales Pittsburgh 5 Campbell Chicago 4 Stanley Cup winner Pittsburgh 6 -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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From: emm@tamarack202.cray.com (Mike McConnell) Subject: Interleaf to CGM Originator: emm@tamarack202 Keywords: Interleaf, CGM, ileaf Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: tamarack202.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Has anyone successfully converted Interleaf graphics to CGM, or even heard of it being done???? We'd love to hear about it. -Mike McConnell emm@cray.com
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> Subject: Re: Yankees win home opener Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam Millitello) says: i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask. bob vesterman.
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu+ wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells) writes: + +I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a +really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a +Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. + Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance which expanded in vacuum. Once inflated the substance was no longer needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no disastrous deflation. -- Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 62 In article <93105.165359U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: >>>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >>>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >>>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. >> >>Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to >>do. (He also confuses "things he can see" with "things that exist"; >>Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the >>outside.) > >Excuse me but I do know what I safety is supposed to do. Kratz comments above show otherwise. >It's basic purpose - not to let the gun fire until you're ready. Bingo - now the question is, does the Glock's qualify? Let's see the evidence that Kratz uses. >Christ, I've known that since I had my first Crosman air gun. You don't >know me so don't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. But first an aside. Having an air gun proves nothing. Moreover, my comments are based on what Kratz writes. He's free to argue that he babbles in text but actually knows something off-line. >>A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's >>what the user wants. With Glocks, one says "I want the gun to go >>off" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, >>it has a "real" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. > >From the things I have read/heard Glocks are always knocked because of the >trigger safety. They are supposedly harder to learn to use properly. Harder than what? I note that almost all revolvers work the same way, so it can't be "harder than revolvers". >Every article that I have read can't be wrong about the damn thing. Sure they can. (Moreover, we know now that Kratz' sample is unrepresentative.) We can look at the reasoning. It is basically "these Glocks are dangerous because they're not like my 1911/S&W third generation." Part of that is true, but since those same people don't claim that revolvers, which share the relevant property, are dangerous, we see that the argument fails. >me to quote my sources because I don't keep a ton of gun magazines and/or Why would I care? I'm not looking for more bogus reasoning. >rec.guns articles laying around. Boy, you can't make a simple statement on >here without someone getting right on your ass. One can make hundreds of simple statements without having anyone "getting right on your ass". One merely has to make accurate simple statements. Then you get "attaboy"s by mail and publically. Accuracy is a severe burden, but most of us manage it. -andy --
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From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford) Subject: Sandberg Update...Won't be long now!!! Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 21 Hi all you Ryno fans (and those interested...) Todays Chicago Tribune had this written in it today in regards to Ryne Sandberg... "Ryne Sandberg is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a broken left hand and could be back in the lineup by May 1, manager Jim Lefebvre said Friday. Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball in his gloved hand. '' I'm not surprised his rehabilitation has been moved up,'' said Lefebvre. '' He's a fast healer, and he doesn't like being on the disabled list. He's been running since he was hurt [March 5] and is in the best shape of his life. May 1 is his target date for getting back in the lineup." Hold on to your hats Cub fans...more later as information presents itself. Jeffery
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From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and SPARCstation 10 keyboard Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us In article <1r1q5g$cv4@genesis.ait.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes: >In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930420145015.384@oak.shu.ac.uk> D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk writes: >> Environment: Sun SPARC 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 patch level 23. My X >>process is started by xdm. > >Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. >(US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. ... >> ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised >> and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters. > >Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. >All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: >The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. >Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed >characters in an xterm to get passed.) > >Anyone have a fix for the last two? I don't know anything about a "sunkbd" patch, but I use the following .Xmodmap file (run from .xinitrc via "xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap", of course) for my Type-5 UNIX keyboard: (It's a bit "brute force", however.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! ! Sun Type-5 UNIX keyboard remappings ! ! This remaps the arrow keys properly ! ! By default, the arrow keys on the keypad (Shift-8 = Up, Shift-4 = Left, ! Shift-6 = Right, and Shift-2 = Down) work, but the arrow keys are not ! assigned to any keysym ! keycode 27 = Up keycode 31 = Left keycode 34 = Down keycode 35 = Right ! ! Now we want the Back Space key to emit the "Delete" keysym ! keycode 50 = Delete ! ! Other random mappings that aren't on by default ! ! SysRq/Print Screen key keycode 29 = SunSys_Req Print ! Break/Pause key keycode 28 = Break Pause ! Alt Graph key keycode 20 = Mode_switch ! PageUp key keycode 103 = Prior ! PageDown key keycode 130 = Next ! Insert key keycode 51 = Insert ! ! Home, End keys = ??? ! ! Open Look Functions ! ! Stop key (SunStop keysym == Cancel) keycode 8 = SunStop ! Again key (SunAgain == Redo) keycode 10 = SunAgain ! Props key keycode 32 = SunProps ! Undo key (SunUndo == Undo) keycode 33 = SunUndo ! Front key keycode 56 = SunFront ! Copy key keycode 58 = SunCopy ! Open key keycode 79 = SunOpen ! Paste key keycode 80 = SunPaste ! Find key (SunFind == Find) keycode 102 = SunFind ! Cut key keycode 104 = SunCut -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle
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From: mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori) Subject: I want use DeskJet on System7 Organization: FUJITSU.Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan. Lines: 15 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5. But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1, then I can not print by my DeskJet. Is the Grappler LS old ? Can I use DeskJet on System7 ? Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7. Thank you -- FROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 13 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr ites: >[] > > "Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a > rush." > >So is cocaine. What's your point? > > -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) > Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch me..... --
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From: msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) Subject: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Keywords: sound board CD-ROM toshiba Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities Lines: 14 I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board. Does anybody have this configuration out there? If so, does it work? For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you had any hadware problems? Door not opening, scratched disks, door not closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming and any other CD related problems. Thanks in Advance Mark
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From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) Article-I.D.: crdnns.C52M30.5yI Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes: |>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> |>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: |> |>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550, |> |>Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued? I heard something about a problem with |>the name, but I never did hear anything certain... Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade. I rented one once. That car would ruin the name "Zephyr" for any other use. Rod --- Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall.
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From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) Subject: PDS cards for the LCIII Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Are there any PDS expansion cards out there that specifically take advantage of the LCIII's 32 bit data path and 25MHz clock speed? If they exist, are they significantly faster than the LC/LCII versions? -- farul ghazali. columbia university in the city of new york.
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From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: BB Confessions. Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr18.022218.17318@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >But the irony is that the Jewish population has no problem in electing >a leader who has CONFESSED to having an extra marrital affair. > >This is a first. > >AA. The American people didn't have any problem with it too (Clinton). Actually I think that it does not make any difference as long as they have the qualifications to become leaders. BTW in my political view I hope (and should be the Arab hope too) that Binyamin Netanyahu will not be ellected as prime minister of Israel. Naftaly ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 "Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."
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From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: need shading program example in X Organization: The Internet Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu # # I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of # f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain # X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie # where to get the latest version). # For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension # only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window # with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable # 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(), # what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes # or such stuff. # # To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source # package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and # ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on # # 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/ # # The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from # POVRay 1.0 # The version I have is using the x256q code instead of the default X Windows code. I have it currently running on a DEC Alpha running OpenVMS AXP and so far have been pretty impressed. The only "side-effect" of x256q is that it requires xstdcmap -best be run before it will work, annoyning but not a show stopper. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis) Subject: **Web of Spiderman--Auction Update** Summary: Auction update Keywords: High bid at 52.00 Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.155739.14712 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Web of Spiderman--Auction List ISSUES #1-92, ANNUALS 1-7 This set will be auctioned as a complete set (if there is enough interest). The books have been quickly evaluated for grade. All books are VF+ to NM unless noted below (These were ascertained when putting the books into new bags with boards (2 books per bag)): 2-small dinks in spine; 4-spine slightly rolled; 5-2 small crease in front cover, dinks in spine; 13-slight tear-edge front cover; 14-spine dinged up; 15-cover/pages crinkled from humidity; 19-crinkled form water damage; 21-cover not flat; 22-shipping smudge on cover; 28-spine dinked up; 30-3 small dinks in spine; 33-spine dinks; 35-tiny crease top left corner of cover; 38-dinks in spine; 43-paper clip mark; 45- 2 small spine dinks; 47-slight spine roll, spine dinks; 52-back cover crease; 92-cover wrinkled; Annual 1-slight spine roll, cover marks CURRENT HIGH BID: 52.00 BIDDER: Jon (jon@tivoli...) The successful bidder (assuming there is one) will have the books sent UPS, COD-cash or money order. $6.50 will be added to the total successful bid to cover these charges, so bid accordingly. Thanks Mike
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: usa Organization: NOT Lines: 27 karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: ]"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little ]about what one really can and should do. What the organization ]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors, ]as far as I can see. That's what makes it so important to vote in an ]election of officers. if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-) I certainly plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results. ]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in ]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C ]organizations. Should we change this? Or just join the other groups ]that already are in politics? I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense. the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily coordinated ones. -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org
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From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) Subject: Re: ESPN/TBS GAMES? Article-I.D.: meaddata.1pptv1$mgb Distribution: world Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com In article <05APR93.13661642.0023@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: |> Does anyone know where I can get a list of nationally televised |> games, such as ESPN and TBS? I live on the East coast and I'd |> like to catch as many Giants games as I possibly can! This list is published every week in Baseball Weekly. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "That was not swimming. That was bathing." - A German reporter, after watching 1972 Olympic superstar swimmer Mark Spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race
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From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 15 Alan Sepinwall writes > [Bullpen Blues deleted] > > What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? > > -Alan George will do the only logical thing he can do when the Yanks' bullpen isn't performing -- fire the manager. -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Remarks to Law Enforcement Leaders Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 227 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS The Rose Garden 2:52 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, two months ago I presented a comprehensive plan to reduce our national deficit and to increase our investment in the American people, their jobs and their economic future. The federal budget plan passed Congress in record time, and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in the country. Then, the short-term jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would create a half a million jobs in the next two years passed the House of Representatives two weeks ago. It now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. All of these members of Congress know it's time to get the economy moving again, to get job growth going again, to get a fast start on the investments we need to build a lasting prosperity. Unfortunately, a minority of the members of the United States Senate have used gridlock tactics to prevent their colleagues from working the will of the majority on the jobs bill. When Congress returns, I ask every senator from every state and from both parties to remember what is at stake. The issue is not politics, it's people. Sixteen million of them are looking for full-time jobs and can't find them. These men and women don't care about who's up or down in Washington. They care about paying the rent and meeting the mortgage payment, about putting food on the table and buying shoes for their children, about regaining a sense of dignity that comes from doing a day's work and supporting their families and drawing a paycheck. They're asking those of us who have the privilege of serving to put aside politics and do something now to move our economy forward. I am prepared to do that. And I have been working with the Senate to come up with an adjusted package that meets some of the concerns of those who have been blocking action on the jobs plan. I'm willing to compromise, so long as we keep the focus on jobs, keep the focus on growth and keep the focus on meeting unmet national needs. Our opponents have been asking for a smaller package. Today I ask them to join me in determining exactly what kind and what size package Congress can approve that actually meets the needs of the American people. But even as we make those reductions and the package will be smaller, I believe we must address problems that are on the minds of millions of Americans, and one in particular, and that is the need to toughen law enforcement in our society to deal with the dramatic rise in violent crime. So I will ask, even in this reduced package, for an additional $200 million in federal funding to help local communities to rehire police officers who have been laid off because of the fiscal problems caused by the national recession. Together, with a matching effort by local governments, this could put as many as 10,000 police officers back on the job, and back on the beat in communities all across our nation. At a time when too many of our people live in fear of violent crime, when too many businesses have closed and too many people have lost their jobs because people are afraid to leave their homes, rehiring thousands of officers is one of the best investments America can make. And I ask both Houses of Congress to make that investment in our people's safety and in their piece of mind. I believe in the need for strong federal action to keep the economy going toward recovery and to create jobs. Make no mistake about it: I will fight for these priorities as hard as I ever have. I will never forget that the people sent me here to fight for their jobs, their future and for fundamental change. I want to thank the police officers who are here today and tell you that not a single one of them knew before they came here that I had determined to ask for more money in this jobs bill to rehire police officers. They came here because they believe in the summer jobs portion of the package. And I want them to be free to talk about that. They came here not out of any law enforcement concern other than the fact that they wanted the kids in this country to have a chance to have jobs this summer, to have safer streets and a brighter and more peaceful future. I say what I say today not just because it's good for law enforcement but because it's good for the people who live in these communities. I have always supported community policing not only because it helps to prevent crime and to lower the crime rate, but because it cements better relationships between people in law enforcement and the people that they're hired to protect. It reduces the chances of abusive action by police officers and increases the chances of harmony and safe streets at the same time. These are the kinds of things that we are trying to do. I promised in my campaign that I'd do everything I could to put another 100,000 police officers on the street over the next four years. This makes a good downpayment on that. This keeps in mind the core of the jobs package. And this will help us to move forward. So I ask the people in the Senate who have blocked the jobs bill, let's work together. I can accept a reduced package if you will increase your commitment to safe streets. I do not accept the fact that we should reduce our commitment to summer jobs or to building our infrastructure or to doing those other things that will create real and lasting prosperity for our people. I have done my part now to end the gridlock; I ask you to do yours. I want now to give the people who are here with me on the platform a chance to make some remarks and to be heard by the American people -- beginning with Janet Reno, the distinguished Attorney General. * * * * * * * * * * * * Q Mr. President, can you tell us -- do you think that the jobs package could be put in further jeopardy by controversy over the suggestion of a VAT tax at this point in the congressional dialogue? THE PRESIDENT: Not at all. I think it should have -- they wouldn't have any relationship one to the other. First of all, I made absolutely no decision on that. You should know that there's a lot of support in the business community and the labor community -- people have asked us to consider that because of the enormous burden of the present system on many of our major employers, particularly many of those that we depend upon to generate jobs and to carry the strength of this economy. But I have made absolutely no decision that would even approach that on that or any other kind of general tax. Q Do you personally believe that the American public is ready to pay for -- to have another tax to pay for health care? I mean, apart from what business and labor leaders have said -- THE PRESIDENT: I'm not going to speculate on that. I will say this: The real issue is how quickly we can recycle the benefits of all the savings to cover the cost. I mean, that is -- everyone knows that if you do what we're proposing to do, if you streamline the insurance system, if you fix the system so that there's no longer an enormous economic incentive to over-utilize or over-provide certain services, if you provide primary and preventive care in places where it isn't now, every single analysis shows absolutely massive savings to the health care system. The real question is whether you can transfer those savings to cover those who have no coverage now or those who have virtually no coverage so that you provide people the security. I have no idea. The polls say that, but I don't know. All I know is the polls that I see in the press that many of you have commissioned, they say overwhelmingly the American people want the security of an affordable health care system. But I don't think that has anything to do with this stimulus, and it certainly shouldn't have. People want a job first and foremost. They want that more than anything else. Q Now that you've announced your willingness to compromise on the stimulus package, can you tell us what parts of your package you consider vital and uncompromisable? I assume summer jobs is one. THE PRESIDENT: I want the summer jobs; I want the highway program and I want the police program. I still intend -- let me say this: I still intend to fully and aggressively push the crime bill, which did not pass the Congress last year. This is a supplement to that, not a substitute for it in any way. But I think we need to do that. I think we need the Ryan White funds because of the enormous health care burdens to the communities that are inordinately and disproportionately affected by the problems of caring for people with AIDS. And there are several other things that I think should be done. We have to do the Agriculture Department meat inspectors; the safety of the public depends on that. There are a number of other things that I don't -- I don't think any of it should be cut, but I have given Senator Mitchell and Senator Byrd -- I talked to them. And Senator Dole called me yesterday to discuss this, and I told him that I would call him back. I called him back last night in New Hampshire and we discussed this. And I basically asked them to talk today, and said that I would not make any statements about any specifics until at least they had a chance to talk to see whether or not they could reach some accord. So I don't want to be any more specific than I have been already, and let's see if they can talk it out. Q When you talked to Senator Dole and Senator Mitchell did you tell them about your -- increase also, that $200 million, that you want that as part of the package? THE PRESIDENT: I did -- I told Senator -- I left word for Senator Mitchell last night about it. When I talked to Senator Dole -- I don't remember for sure -- I do not believe I mentioned it. But I did tell him that I was prepared to reduce the package and I wanted to break the gridlock, and I told him that I was working on a reformulation of it so that -- in the hope that it would become even more focused on jobs and the kinds of issues that I thought the American people wanted us to address. And this is certainly consistent with that. Thank you. END3:12 P.M. EDT
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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Christian meta-ethics Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 121 NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu Summary: Spit out the lukewarm! -*---- In article <C5Jzz7.9G7@panix.com> mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: > Well, the whole *point* of making these the "base" commandments is that > they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a > law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful > to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a > personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. ... The two commandments *are* rules; they are merely rules that are so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning. Michael Siemon acknowledges this every time he writes that the resolution of an argument over them turns on secular and cultural assumptions that are independent of these rules. > ... The Great Commandment is, more than anything else, a call > to act *as if you were God and accepting ultimate responsibility* > in your every action. ... The commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed, in part, as reminding man that he is not God and cannot act as if he has "ultimate responsibility." Indeed, many traditions present an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret loving one's neighbor as following various other rules, and relying on their god to make things come out right, precisely because it would be wrong for man to assume such "ultimate responsibility." Once again, we are confronted with good sounding goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean. > ... "Conservatives" may twist this "act as if you were God" to > mean "lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them > as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules." They are so > insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a > lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such > idiocy IS how God acts. ... And who is to say that this interpretation is "twisted"? There are many passages in the Bible that in their most straightforward reading show the Christian god behaving in just this way. Michael cannot refer to "base" claims or base commandments to show that such readings are "twisted," because this divergence in understanding occurs even in trying to interpret the "base" claims and commandments. In addressing conservative Christians, Michael will necessarily draw upon secular and cultural notions that these conservative Christians will reject. > But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our > society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It > may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems > -- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. But these base commandments are too vague to serve as "a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems." The meaning of these base commandments for any believer derives from the secular and cultural notions that the believer brings to them, from how the believer mixes their demands with straightforward readings of other Biblical passages, from a particular sectarian tradition, or from some combination of these things. These commandments lack sufficient substance in themself to serve as a basis for criticizing ethical systems. What meaning they have comes from the ethical system the believer brings to these commandments. > And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged > *different* "ethical systems" (or in some cases, none). As a result, > it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular > (or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. > It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very > little, if anything, in the way of "commandments" -- so little that > the "Christians" who desperately *want* commandments go "mining" for > them with almost no support ... The one, single, thing in the gospels > which Jesus specifically "gives" as "a commandment" to us is "love > one another." Jesus explicitly states that this summarizes Jewish law, which would seem to bring in all of it if we properly understand what it means to love God and love our neighbors. There are *many* parables and teachings the gospels attribute to Jesus that are straightforwardly read as ethical commandments. The Pauline epistles are similarly full. If it is not clear that these all come together in a sensible understanding of ethical behavior, the problem is *not* a lack of raw material. -*---- > I am a "radical" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. No, Michael, the conservative Christians also take the gospel seriously. What differentiates you is the way you interpret the gospel. > ... Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me > tell you something about Christianity? ... In a sense, the wide variety of interpretations does tell us something about Christianity. It tells us that the New Testament authors left a sufficiently vague hodge-podge that it can serve as the source text for many, vastly different beliefs about the nature of the Christian god and about what men should and shouldn't do. The irony here is that there is *nothing* in Christianity per se that Michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and gays. *Every* Christian principle he turns to this cause is effective only through the extra-Christian principles through which Michael interprets his religion, and the homophobes apply the *same* Christian principles, with equal justification, to their cause. In short, it is the extra-Christian principles that make Michael's Christianity beneficial, and I suspect they would be as beneficial, perhaps moreso, without being filtered by Christian interpretation. Michael paints a picture of "standard American atheism" as the rejection of the evil in many conservative Christian interpretations of the Bible. But I think it is even more damaging to Christianity to note that the New Testament presents such a vague hodge-podge of notions about the nature of God and the nature of the good (except, of course, when it is ordered by an interpretation that relies on extraneous principles). Here, I think we should apply a Christian parable, where a cold drink can have its value and a hot drink can have its value, but the lukewarm we should spit out. Russell
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From: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu (Arglebargle IV) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Texas A&M University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: chensun2m.tamu.edu In article 5Iq@netcom.com, kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: } wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: } } } } } Hey, } } } could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse } } in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use } } MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any } } routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. } } } Thanks for your efforts, } } } Oliver } }-- } } NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart } } PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 } } FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 } } EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de } } Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS } before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded } to use the mouse in Windows. ... and you need a video driver which is completely Windows 3.1 compatible, and your mouse driver has to be completely compatible as well. Not quite so simple. (I never could get my logitech mouse to work 100% in a DOS window with my old Paradise card: now I have a Diamond SS24X and the 6.2 mouse drivers, and everything works perfectly). Steven M.
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From: stevens@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) Subject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard Organization: Columbia University X-Posted-From: greece.madvlsi.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.173652.762@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran) writes: |> I would like to know if any one had any experience with having |> on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power |> lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. |> any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers |> are appreciated. DEC did this on their new alpha chip. I'm sure you could call them up and ask them how they did it (haha). Actually, there are some details in their article in IEEE Journal of Solid-State Circuits. I think it was sometime around Nov. 1992. --andy s.
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From: eb3@world.std.com (Edwin Barkdoll) Subject: Re: Blindsight Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 64 In article <19382@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <werner-240393161954@tol7mac15.soe.berkeley.edu> werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes: >>In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >>> >>> Explain. I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB. >> >>You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types. One is >>sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow. >>This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and >>blue-yellow. >> > >Yes, I remember that now. Well, in that case, the cones are indeed >color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed. I'm not sure who the "original respondent" was but to reiterate cones respond to particular portions of the spectrum, just as _rods_ respond to certain parts of the visible spectrum (bluegreen in our case, reddish in certain amphibia), just as the hoseshoe crab _Limulus polyphemus_ photoreceptors respond to a certain portion of the spectrum etc. It is a common misconception to confound wavelength specificity with being color sensitive, however the two are not synonymous. So in sum and to beat a dead horse: (1) When the outputs of a cone are matched for number of absorbed photons _irrespective_ of the absorbed photons wavelength, the cone outputs are _indistinguishable_. (2) Cones are simply detectors with different spectral sensitivities and are not any more "color sensitive" than are rods, ommatidia or other photoreceptors. (3) Color vision arises because outputs of receptors which sample different parts of the spectrum (cones in this case) are "processed centrally". (The handwave is intentional) I've worked and published research on rods and cones for over 10 years so the adherence to the belief that cones can "detect color" is frustrating. But don't take my word for it. I'm reposting a few excellent articles together with two rather good but oldish color vision texts. The texts: Robert Boynton (1979) _Human Color Vision_ Holt, Rhiehart and Winston Leo M. Hurvich (1981) _Color Vision_, Sinauer Associates. The original articles: Baylor and Hodgkin (1973) Detection and resolution of visual stimuli by turtle phoreceptors, _J. Physiol._ 234 pp163-198. Baylor Lamb and Yau (1978) Reponses of retinal rods to single photons. _J. Physiol._ 288 pp613-634. Schnapf et al. (1990) Visual transduction in cones of the monkey _Macaca fascicularis_. J. Physiol. 427 pp681-713. -- Edwin Barkdoll barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu eb3@world.std.com -- Edwin Barkdoll eb3@world.std.com
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From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 26 hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: >>>Quarda 900 is a popular misspelling of Quadra 900, which has a 25 MHz 040 >>>processor. The 950 has a 33 MHz 040, and some local buses on the >>>motherboard run faster. >>The video is different also. The 950 can run a 13" and I believe a 16" >>monitor in 16 bit color without a VRAM upgrade. > Actually, you could put as much VRAM into a Q900 as you want and you >still won't be able to get 16-bit color, on any monitor. It's not part >of the on-board video. The Q950, however, can use 16-bit video on >monitors up to 19" with 2MB of VRAM. >-Hades Yes, but if you upgrade the VRAM in a 900 you get 24 bit color. So you really don't care. My point is that out the box the 950 has more video capability for the same size monitors. The 900 can do 24 bit with both 13" and 16", doesn't support 19", and does 8 bit on 21" monitors.
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From: charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles) Subject: Multiport COM boards--info needed Organization: The Haunted Unix Box Lines: 10 What 4 or more com port boards are available for PCs? We want standard com ports, so no need to mention the expensive coprocessed ones. They should either be able to share IRQs or be able to use IRQs 8-15. Thanks for any info...
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From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 23 Write a good manual to go with the software. The hassle of photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing the package for only $15. Also, consider offering an inexpensive but attractive perc for registered users. For instance, a coffee mug. You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95. You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use are non-licensed users. The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into your price structure. Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad. Retailers have to charge off loss to shoplifters onto paying customers; the software industry is the same. Unless your product is exceptionally unique, using an ostensibly copy-proof disk will just send your customers to the competetion. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
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From: jclouse@discover.wright.edu (Jim Clouse) Subject: World Series Stats Nntp-Posting-Host: discgate Organization: Wright State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 3 Does anybody else think that WS stats should become part of a player's career stats? Why not?
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Subject: newss From: pollarda@physc1.byu.edu Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 24 I am working on a project where we are going to be including both still and moving grapics within a database. Of course JPEG and MPEG come to mind as the formats of choice for the various files. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems as if there are several different forms of each of these. What I want to do, is settle on a file format which I can count on as being a standard format 10 years from now. I know Apple is going to support Quicktime on the new Power PC's and, so this may be the format of choice. What format does Apple's Quicktime use for their products? I guess it is some kind of MPEG for their motion picture. Is it any different than standard MPEG files? Thanx for any info! Art. Pollarda@xray.byu.edu
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 44 sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes: >I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an >IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in >daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward >30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. >I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give >information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the >angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), >possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp >current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I >would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. >Has anyone done something like this? Yeesh, you WILL be nailing those IRLEDs. May I suggest getting your mitts on the Siemens SFH484-2 IRLED? This unit is designed to take some big current pulses if you can get your duty cycle down a bit. It will output nearly a watt (975 mW) with REAL short duty cycle times. (nice thing about the SFH484-2 is that it is CHEAP. I got mine for about 50 cents a piece, even though I had to buy 100 of them....) BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest, 6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power, mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a 1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals. If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the pertinent info. Now, as for the position detector, you might try ELTEC in Florida. Phone number listed in the 92/93 ETID is 904-253-5328. They seem like nice people. Their specialty is passive infrared detection devices, so they might be able to help you out. I'm curious about your applications if you don't mind saying. The device sounds like it could be useful in a lasertag game, although you'd need to up your carrier signal concept to 58.8 KHz...... Duane
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Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 11 In article <C514ut.A5I@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: {drinking & riding} > It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says "eight hours, bottle > to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify > a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than > twice as strict as DWI minimums. 0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 ! -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 12 mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and >ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. >Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Yes. That is exactly what it means. The LC family of Macs can only use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. -Hades
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From: apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! Summary: Take out player Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 42 In article <AfnKOVK00UhB01RDtJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > <kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu > In-Reply-To: <kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> > > from Anna Matyas: >>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it >>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... >>> >>>Gerald >> >>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they >>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of >>misconducts? >> >>And this comes from a Chelios fan... > > Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 > minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the > best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I > could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) > > Ralph >HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? I.Mario Lemieux A.Death 1.Too much Kimo 2.Slash to skull 3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) II.Jaromir Jagr A.Deportation 1.Send him back to whatever Commie country he's from 2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too III.Kevin Stevens A.Fighting 1.Call Bob Probert 2.Call Tie Domi 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass)
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.161112.21772@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> I don't think "extra-scientific" is a very useful phrase in a discussion |> of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. Extra-rational |> is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases |> of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. Yeah, but the problem with holding up the "extra-rational" examples as exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko. Such "extra- rational" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 37 suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi writes: > On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said: > :> God is eternal. [A = B] > :> Jesus is God. [C = A] > :> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] > > :> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of > :> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore > :> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. > > Everything isn't always so logical.... > > Mercedes is a car. > That girl is Mercedes. > Therefore, that girl is a car? Unfortunately your phrasing is ambiguous. Re-writing more carefully, we have (at least) two possibilities. The first: Things called "Mercedes" are cars That girl is called "Mercedes" Therefore that girl is a car That is entirely valid as a piece of logical deduction. It is not sound, because the first statement is false. Similarly, I would hold that Jim's example is valid but not sound. Another possible interpretation of what you wrote is: There exists at least one car called "Mercedes" That girl is called "Mercedes" Therefore that girl is a car -- which isn't valid. mathew
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From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr16.211458.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: (deletion) >Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws. The >ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years >automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the >Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. That's wrong. They can. Benedikt
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From: arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 94 In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > >> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption >> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, >> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have >> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every Does anyone know what countries are these? >> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an >> unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a >> false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is >> an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, >> and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, >> balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper >> Chip" and similar encryption techniques. > >The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans >have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption. >This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become >illegal. With the following logical consequences (a) Using any code designed to obscure informatio which is not easily breakable will be illegal, including (i) Using code words such as ``Project P5'' (ii) Speaking a language other than English (iii) Ever refering implicitly to events not known to everyone, eg "Hi John. How was last night?" For all the listener knows, this may be a code for "Did you pick up the drugs OK last night?" of be a code for "OK. We blow up the Pentagon at midnight." (iv) Mentioning anything that could not be perfectly understood by an average person with no education. (v) Words with more than one syllable. (vi) Speaking with a heavy accent that could bemisunderstood by people not used to it. (vii) books with an "Inner meaning"...such as "Animal Farm". >(As an aside, isn't the language here jarring? All this talk about >"harmonious balance" when they're talking about taking away people's >right to communications privacy?) Yes. >It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals >are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine >that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs >for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted >voice communications, will be distributed only through the >"underground". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that >they are protecting their privacy. I have a wonderful encrypter you can borrow that converts a message eg "Meet me at 11:30 to bomb the White House. Bring some dynamite" to an apparently (relatively) innoculous message. This message here is an example of the output for the above message :-). >It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. It is shockiong that it could happen anywhere. It is shocking that it could happen in a country that has the arrogance to call itself free. What you can do: (1) Write to your congress person in plain text. (2) Write to your congress person in encrypted text. (decrypter optional) (3) Send some random keystroked to your congressperson (4) Send some random keystrokes accross the US boundaries, and keep the spooks busy trying to decode it. (5) Write your own encryption algorithms. (6) Don't buy clipper products. P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. Disclaimer: My opinions are mine alone, and do not represent anyone elses. I have nothing that I particularly want to hide at the moment...though I consider the right to be able to use whatever method of coding data I like to be high on my list of priorities. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Conway arc@leland.stanford.edu Phone: USA 415 497 1094
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From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: test don't read! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
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From: ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) Subject: Re: $25 network Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 11 zjoc01@hou.amoco.com (Jack O. Coats) writes: >The same folks now have out LBL (Little Big Lan) for $75. I think you >get it for $50 if you already own $25 Network. LBL works with Arcnet, >parallel ports, and serial ports in any combination for up to 250 or so >nodes. LBL now offers ethernet support also, although presently it is limited to NE1000/NE2000 style boards. LBL owners can get an update for $8.50. -- Ray Berry kb7ht ray@ole.cdac.com rjberry@eskimo.com 73407.3152@compuserve.com
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From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction <1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com's message of 05 Apr 1993 06:48:53 PST In article <1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes: ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality. Glad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent about admitting the sovereignty of the people! Speaking from personal experience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after I demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the DA stood mute. I have also had an appellate court uphold such action and hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 ("The judges of the appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in any cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it advisable or in the public interest."). That is reality, I agree. -- Ronald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu Senior Software Engineer Phone: +1 916 899 2100 OPTX International "The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law"
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From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Do Analog Systems Need Ground Planes? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 25 engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG) writes: >I understand the need for a ground plane in a digital system. However, I >would like to know if such a ground plane is also necessary in an analog >system. > >(Note: this ground plane will not be connected, except at one point, to >the signal ground). > >I keep getting conflicting answers over this. Does having a ground plane >in an analog system help reduce noise also? My system only deals with >low frequency signals (up to 100Hz only!!!). Well, one reason for getting conflicting answers is that it depends on what you want the ground plane to do. A continuous conductor is a good electrostatic shield. Do you have signals on your board that need shielding rom other things? This shielding won't do much good for magnetic fields, unless you make it continuous around the circuit to be shielded, like a Faraday cage. The flip side of the coin: if you are working with (very) high impedances, you could end up with capacitances to the gound plane that cause problems. You aren't likely to encounter this at 100Hz, but at 20kHz, it can be a real problem (one that bit me once).
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From: nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) Subject: Writing a Motif widget X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group. Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK. Lines: 22 Can anyone give me some information, please ... I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source, or can I make do with the public headers that are provided? "Motif" includes Xt in this context. One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class. Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)? Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they could sell me, this might save me from having to write one! Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not yet have the spec)? Answers appreciated, Nicholas. -- Nicholas Young (+44 71 637 9111)
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From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 In article <Apr.20.03.01.19.1993.3755@geneva.rutgers.edu> REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > >2) If you haven't accepted Jesus are your Savior, you're taking an awful >chance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if >you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die >and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and >suffer eternal damnation. I don't mean to make fun at this point, but its like >Dirty Harry said, "You've got to ask yourself, 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do >you?" "A man's got to know his limitations." Don't be one of the "whosoever >wont's." This is a ridiculous argument for being a Christian. So then, you might consider switching from Christianity to another religion if you were offered an even more frightening description of another hell? How many Christians do think there are who view it strictly as an insurance policy? Not many I know; they believe in a message of love and compassion for others. A faith based on fear of hell sounds like a dysfunctional relationship with God. Like a child who cringes in fear of a parent's physical violence. Many religions have concrete views of heaven and hell, with various threats and persuasions regarding who will go where. Competition over who can envison the worst hell can hardly nurture the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself. >--Rex -- comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu
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From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) Subject: Swap boot drive on 486 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 11 Reply-To: David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu I have a 486 machine with a 3.5" A: drive and a 5.25" B: drive. I want to swap them so 3.5" drive is A: What do I have to do? TIA |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| |Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| |Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ <David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU> ____ Fax: 413/545-0996|
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From: kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Kai Howells) Subject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos? Organization: University of Tasmania Lines: 33 In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) wrote: > > > Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good > free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save > them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) > > Thanks in advance > > Daemon PPPPP OOOOO V V Persistance Of Vision Raytracer. P P O O V V P P O O V V PPPPP O O V V P O O V V P O O V V P OOOOO V Available on archie and wuarchive in graphics type directories. PS It's freeware. -- _/_/_/ _/ Kai Howells. _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ 35 Mortimer Ave _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ New Town TAS 7008 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Ph. Within Australia 002 286 110 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Elsewhere: +61 02 286 110
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From: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam) Subject: How to detect mouse at hardware level? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu 'lo all, I am writting a program that checks a computer for its configuration. It's going to be run everytime a computer boots up to our campus network. (Actually, it already is running, it's just not getting all the info I want it to yet...) Anyway, I want to check for a mouse. I already check for a mouse driver (using the code in Microsoft's Mouse book). But there is no guarantee that the driver is loaded when my program runs, or that they ever load the driver. Since I am interested in what hardware is attached to the machine, how do I detect is a mouse is attached? I know it can be done because the mouse driver can do it. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Berkvam | Few are wholly dead: U of Wisconsin - Stevens Point | Blow on a dead man's embers Cleveland Freenet: bq274 | And a live flame will start. Internet: aberkvam@spu1.uwsp.edu | -Robert Graves
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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 36 In article <93y04m18d459@witsend.uucp>, "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes: |> Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I |> understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all |> circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate |> targets only when Mirandized, or some such? |> |> I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* |> that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing |> them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The |> corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that |> whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove |> themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. |> |> This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers |> when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently |> rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing |> His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are |> reversed. |> |> --- D. C. Sessions Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory" shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team", you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the Lebanese terrorists. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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From: bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 138 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu In article <16BA8C4AC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > In article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> > bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: > > (Deletion) > > > >I will argue that your latter statement, "I believe that no gods exist" > >does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement > >that "no gods exist" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't > >know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then > >(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than > >saying I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the > >position, even after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires > >faith. > > > > No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here > that driving a car requires faith that the car drives. > I'm not saying this at all - it requires no faith on my part to say the car drives because I've seen it drive - I've done more than at in fact - I've actually driven it. (now what does require some faith is the belief that my senses give an accurate representation of what's out there....) But there is NO evidence - pro or con - for the existence or non-existence of God (see what I have to say below on this). > For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I > have in the premises and the argument used. > Sorry if I remain skeptical - I don't believe it's entirely a conclusion. That you have seen no evidence that there IS a God is correct - neither have I. But lack of evidence for the existence of something is in NO WAY evidence for the non-existence of something (the creationist have a similar mode of argumentation in which if they disprove evolution the establish creation). You (personally) have never seen a neutrino before, but they exist. The "pink unicorn" analogy breaks down and is rather naive. I have a scientific theory that explains the appearance of animal life - evolution. When I draw the conclusion that "pink unicorns" don't exist because I haven't seen them, this conclusion has it's foundation in observation and theory. A "pink unicorn", if it did exist, would be qualitatively similar to other known entities. That is to say, since there is good evidence that all life on earth has evolved from "more primitive" ancestors these pink unicorns would share a common anscestory with horses and zebras and such. God, however, has no such correspondence with anything (IMO). There is no physical frame work of observation to draw ANY conclusions FROM. > >But first let me say the following. > >We might have a language problem here - in regards to "faith" and > >"existence". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. > >To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE > >being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not > >exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless > >to debate the so called "existence" of God - and that is not what > >I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of > >being. When you say that "god does not exist", I also accept this > >statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, > >in what follows I will use the phrase "the existence of God" in it's > >'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. > >I would like a clarification upon what you mean by "the existence of > >God". > > > > No, that's a word game. I disagree with you profoundly on this. I haven't defined God as existence - in fact, I haven't defined God. But this might be getting off the subject - although if you think it's relevant we can come back to it. > > Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is > already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are > implying more with it, in which case your definition and your argument > so far are incomplete, making it a fallacy. > You are using wrong categories here - or perhaps you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm making no argument what so ever and offering no definition so there is no fallacy. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. *I* Believe - and that rests upon Faith. And it is inappropriate to apply the category of logic in this realm (unless someone tells you that they can logically prove God or that they have "evidence" or ..., then the use of logic to disprove their claims if fine and necessary). BTW, an incomplete argument is not a fallacy - some things are not EVEN wrong. > > (Deletion) > >One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say > >that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion > >"based upon observation", I will have to ask "what observtions are > >you refering to?" There are NO observations - pro or con - that > >are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. > (Deletion) > > Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption > that something exists? > I don't follow you here. Certainly one can make observations of things that they didn't know existed. I still maintain that one cannot use observation to infer that "God does not exist". Such a positive assertion requires a leap. > And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption > "god is" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway. > > So, where is your evidence for that "god is" is meaningful at some > level? Once again you seem to completely misunderstand me. I have no EVIDENCE that "'god is' is meaningful" at ANY level. Maybe such a response as you gave just comes naturally to you because so many people try to run their own private conception of God down your throat. I, however, am not doing this. I am arguing one, and only one, thing - that to make a positive assertion about something for which there can in principle be no evidence for or against requires a leap - it requires faith. I am, as you would say, a "theist"; however, there is a form of atheism that I can respect - but it must be founded upon honesty. > Benedikt -- bob singleton bobs@thnext.mit.edu
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From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: TDR plug-in Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 15 If anyone out there has an HP180 series scope or mainframe, I have the TDR plug in (the 1810, I believe) for it and have no need to keep it. Interested? E-mail me. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
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From: lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu Subject: int15h for joysticks is slow.... Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities Lines: 14 Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.circa.ufl.edu I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead(). The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or clockspeed specific? Thanks, Brianzex
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From: egreshko@twntpe.cdc.COM (Ed Greshko) Subject: cxterm on MIPS Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hello, Has anyone built cxterm (X11R5) on a MIPS platform. If you have, please send me email as I don't read this group. I've a bunch of questions... :-) Thanks Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Joseph Dresnok III <JDRESNO@auvm.american.edu> Subject: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade! Lines: 7 I have an unopened CD called "Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie Parker" It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young. I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in. joe
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Subject: Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com> Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com> Distribution: rec Organization: Canada Remote Systems Lines: 158 Here is a press release from the White House. Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team April 19; Q&A Following To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript of remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine "Black Bears" NCAA Division I hockey champions: The Rose Garden 9:58 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It's an honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the winner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the Rose Garden and the White House. I understand from Senator Mitchell that this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win a national championship. And we're glad to have them here. I'm inspired not only by how the team pulled together to win the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to cheer them onto victory. Coming from a state that is also relatively small in size, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can understand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears. In our state people are still talking about the time we won the Orange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was back in 1978. I'm sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine will as proud of this team as they are today. You know, in my state football is a slightly more popular sport than hockey. We don't have a lot of ice. (Laughter.) But after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I can understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came here. Hockey is a tough game. It's a hard-hitting sport. It does have one virtue though, there's a penalty for delay of game. I wish we had that rule in the Senate. (Laughter.) In government as in hockey, leadership is important. In the United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority Leader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior Senator -- Cohen looks so young, I can't imagine. (Laughter.) I'm actually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger than me. On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done a great job. He scored the winning goal late in the championship game, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I know a little bit about. Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams and in communities. I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and Senator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine must feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a team, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from behind. I think it's important, as I ask young people from around America who have achieved outstanding things in working together, to come here to the White House to be recognized and appreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all of our lives. We now have another role model, and I'm glad to have them here today. (Applause.) (The President is presented with team jersey.) (Applause.) THE PRESIDENT: That's great. I love it. It's beautiful. (Applause.) (The President is presented with an autographed stick.) THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. That's great. (Applause.) * * * * * * Q Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco this morning, sir? THE PRESIDENT: I was aware of it. I think the Attorney General made the decision. And I think I should refer all questions to her and to the FBI. Q Did you have any instructions for her as to how it should be executed? THE PRESIDENT: No, they made the tactical decisions. That was their judgment, the FBI. Q Is this a raid? THE PRESIDENT: And I will -- I want to refer you to -- talk to the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew it was going to be done, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical decisions. Q What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this morning? Q Any chance for that stimulus package? THE PRESIDENT: Senator Mitchell ought to pay my quarter. (Laughter.) I was in there -- (laughter). SENATOR MITCHELL: You have to pay that quarter. THE PRESIDENT: I was ready. (Laughter.) Senator Mitchell, he's worth a quarter any day. Q Any chance for your bill, sir? THE PRESIDENT: We talked about what was going to happen this week in the Senate and about what other meetings we're going to have for the rest of the week. We only had about five minutes to talk. And we agreed we'd get back together later, around noon, and talk some more. Q Senator Dole said over the weekend that your compromise is no compromise. THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator Dole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for the same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28 emergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan and Bush were President, in those administrations. And many of those purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people back to work. I don't want to go back and revisit every one, but you can do it. You can look at the research there. So this position they're taking is not credible. We have a very tough five-year deficit reduction plan. All these costs are covered during that time and then some. And the very people that are saying this has all got to be paid for don't have much of a history on which to base their position. They've got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this kind that had very little to with putting the American people back to work. So I think we've got a chance to work it out, and I'm hopeful. We'll see what happens today and tomorrow. I'm feeling pretty good about it. THE PRESS: Thank you END 10:10 A.M. EDT -30- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 89 In <1993Apr18.073540.6871@hubcap.clemson.edu> jwodzia@dlite.uucp (john wodziak) writes: >Sorry Roger but Mr Basketbal should what he really means here. IE he should >have said that he hopes "fans in the _American_ Southeast can follow the >names of the divisions." The odds that these people other than those who >are displaced "Notherners" (who are probably already fans) is on the order >of the proverbial snowball's in hell. I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here. If you asked somone, who had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in the Smythe division what do you think that the response would be? What if you asked this person if LA played in the West division? The naming of divisions after long-dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary obfuscation. >>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >>"builders" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >>in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >>who deserve it. >Yes these people deserve recognigtion as hockey greats but the old division >names took into account Messers Patrick, Norris, Smythe and the Prince who >had alot more to do with the ORIGINS of the league than people who came into >an already established situation. It is much easier to be an element of change Hardly. The "established" situation existed prior to Smythe, et al. The Stanley Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team could successfully mount the challenge. What our dear founders did was formalize the challenge. They created a closed league, an oligop- olistic professional system, in the interests of making money. Wheth- er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly debatable. We are, however, stuck with their invention and that de- bate is academic. The point to be made, however, is that people played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before Smythe and his pals showed up. >or a standout in an existing situation than it is to be someone who creates >a new situation. If you want to honor players like Bobby Orr than I'm sure >you can find a reason to name a torphy after him such as best offensive >defenseman. What's wrong with best defenceman, period? Was there ever a better defenceman? Was there ever a better player? And if you think that Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow more significant than Bobby Orr's then, in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll and find out how many people know who Norris was? But you don't have to, do you? >No I can't for the reasons I gave above. I'm in the same boat as Jason and I >grew up with the current divisonal names and learned them when I was about >10 years old and who played in what division. If a 10 year old _American_ >can learn this why would it be hard for an "Occasional Fan" to pick up >on who plays in what division? So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to remember that Vancouver plays in the West division? (Or Pacific, or whatever other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.) >>Oh. Now I see your point. Your intention has been to alert us to the erosion >>of purity. I'll bet you like hockey because it's, for the most part, played >>by whites of European extraction. >Probably not. In my case I'm sure of this. What you said would be like me >saying that All Maple Leafs fans are as biased, closed minded, ignorant, And of course you neatly deleted Jason's jingoistic rant about the game losing its "Canadianization". Quoting me out of context does more to erode your credibility than it does mine. My position is clearly progressive and is anything but "biased, closed minded, ig- norant". Arrogant, I will grant you. >arrogant, and moronic as you. Just because someone A) doesn't like what >Mr Basketball is doing, B) voices their opinion. and C) Likes the senerio of >you going to Antartica does not mean that you have the right to insult them. Nice try John. But for a flame to be truly effective you have to display at least enough intelligence to earn your target's respect. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Sampling CD audio (was Re: What to put in Centris 650...) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 28 ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >In article <bskendigC5H91I.Fu3@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>> >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options >>>button next to the microphone icon. >> >> What's this? My IIvx with an internal CD doesn't have any "CD-Audio" >> icon... >I can't find any such option on my Centris 650 either. On the other hand, I >don't see why I need one. If I try recording sound with the built-in >microphone with an audio CD playing in the drive, I get the CD audio mixed >in with the microphone sound. >And I guess if I unplug the microphone, then I'll get uncontaminated CD >audio (admittedly sampled at 8 bits through a D-A-D conversion). Sorry about the misinformation. I made a bad assumption about the new machines behaving like a Quadra 900, see previous post. About sampling the CD audio though, have you tried it? I found the aliasing to be really bad. Like it needed a filter or something. Much worse than I expected. I installed the CD-300 in the Quadra myself so maybe I missed something. Everything else works great though.
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From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Organization: . Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >... You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to learn from your article? Treat people like dogs? I am not impressed by your attitude.
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From: george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (George Howell) Subject: RE: IMPALA SS GOING INTO Distribution: world Organization: Goucher College, Towson, MD Reply-To: george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (George Howell) Lines: 9 -> Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel -> Air? Or how about the 210? george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org George
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From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) Subject: Re: Intel, the Pentium and Linux Article-I.D.: openage.1993Apr04.175934.8526 Organization: Open Age, Inc. Lines: 40 INABU@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Arnd Burghardt) writes: >Hi folks, > >Yesterday i visited the CEBIT (hannover, germany), where Intel was presenting >the Pentium (586) processor. They had four (in words 4) machines with this >beast running. So they presented it nicely (unly by running picture shows), >this i could do on a 80286 ;-)). The presentor promised it to be binary >compatible to the i486, and I said I don't believe. I showed him a ONE_DISK_ >Linux-System (Emergency disk, with patched lilo to boot from disk), and said >him : Convice me, boot this : No guts, no glory ! A he decided no glory. >He won't let anybody touch his holy cows, and not even boot a suspect OS. > >I thought by myself 'This is the coward of the day' and went back to earth. > >What cn we learn : this technology is far from industrial-standarts, so you >can expect this beast in your local computer-shop at least in spring next >year.... > >only my 2cents.... Yes only your $00.02. Here's mine. If I were running at a new chip at a Trade show, and had little to no real technical knowledge, I wouldn't let some stranger with a diskette boot my demo machine. If the demo machine is down too long people will not see my nice demos, and if this purposted LINUX diskette is really something that will wipe the disk, or is loaded with a VIRUS!, I'm in deep trouble. No marketer in their right mind would let you do this, unless they had specifically invited people to do so, and provided machines to do it with. We can we learn : This technology will be shipping from PC vendors in May 1993, and will be i486 compatible. -- The Golden Gryphon gryphon@openage.COM "The Crown Jewel of the American Prison System." - President Bill Clinton on living in The White House. Openage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area
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From: Katinka van der Linden <katinka@fenk.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:30:08 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: mac244.fenk.wau.nl Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 10 I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950. We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling, inits, I don't know what all. All the "industry experts" we phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator (???). Anybody know more? Thanks, Katinka van der Linden <katinka@FenK.wau.nl>
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr10.130112.25440@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>>And no, in Western countries, it isn't a "legal" concept >>>at all, so it's not the slightest bit pertinent to the >>>topic, which is a British author living in the United >>>Kingdom under the protection of British law. >>Ah, yes, I keep forgetting, governments are superior entities to >>religious organizations. Forgive me -- the gun is the higher law. >This is degenerating to 'Zumder logic. Of course governments are >superior entities, they are elected by the people, whereas religious >leaders certainly are not. Perhaps not in Christianity, but in Islam the choice of religious leaders is to be made by the people. So much for your superiority argument. > Those who the people trust to make the law >obviously represents the higher law. That is democracy. Democracy is a basic element of Islam. Learn that one! Ever notice that the so-called "fundamentalists" in Algeria who are being repressed by the secular government won in free and democratic elections. Gregg
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From: griffith@egr.msu.edu (Terry Griffith) Subject: orchid fahrenheit sparkel...the answers...... Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: elvira.egr.msu.edu OK..... thanks to all of you who responded to my post. here's the "official" response from orchid.. Orchid is aware of the problem, the new rev of the board (rev d) SHOULD (not would) take care of the problem. production was scheduled to start on april 15, I have no confirmation that production did start on this day just the word of the tech on the other line. now the flame...... you would think a company like Orchid who has produced good quality products in the past would be more helpfull and willing to make right on a screwup of theirs. very poor tech support (the first 2 times I called I must have spoke with the janitor because they where talking craziness) the last time I talked to a tech named "paul" and he seemed to have a pretty good idea what was going on. until these problems are resovled neither myself nor my department will buy or recommend orchid products. flame off..... again thanks to all of you who answered my post. Terry
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From: SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu In article <79857@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > >> I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to >> be carcinogenic that "it would not be legal in the U.S.". I think that > >No, there is something called the "Delany Amendment" which makes carcinogenic >food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the >1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased >detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. > >This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very >weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are >banned. > >This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a >time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, >and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. >This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. > >If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone >would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates >that enforcement is still in effect. > >An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as "gumbo file'". >This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This >is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural >form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption >was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats. I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc). Is this true?
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From: smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) Subject: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!! Organization: UN*X Technologies Lines: 15 Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development for X applications in an NT environment. If you are porting InterViews over to MS Windows, I thought InterViews was a C++ toolkit with C++ classes. If that is so, how can it be built on Xlib, unless the classes are calling Xlib functions? Steve -- Steven Mikes - Editor - The X Journal 1097 Eastbrook Rd., Martinsville, NJ 08836 OFFICE: 908.563.9033 - FAX: 908.560.8635 "Serving The X Window System Community"
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 19 Distribution: na Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <C5HpCv.4HL@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: > cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > > In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: > > } Guess which line is which: > > } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB > > } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 > > } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 > I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break! A little delayed, but in the interests of fairness (stats from Elias); BA OBP SLG R HR RBI RNI % outs Alomar .310 .405 .427 105 8 76 264 20.5 419 Baerga .312 .354 .455 92 20 105 316 21.2 480 So we see that Baerga has a large advantage in RBI (runs batted in), RNI (runners not driven in) and outs. john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: gt4661a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt4661a gt4661a PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY) Subject: Computer For Sale Distribution: atl Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 5 -- PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4661a Internet: gt4661a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 16 One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this situation: If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball. However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early? When the ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground? Enlightenment would be appreciated. Jay
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 36 atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: > >Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal >government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only >be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of >production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), >and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this >would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than >a VAT). Canada's GST is collected as a sales tax and is considered a VAT. Funnily, the previous hidden wholesale tax that it replaces was never referred to as a tax (or, people never paid mind to it, thus the uproar when it was brought up front as the GST --- one party has actually campaigned on hiding the tax again). The stated intent of the Tories was to use the GST to write down our deficit. Unfortunately, their legislation didn't include any mechanism for disbursing the collected funds in such a manner and the money is now sitting in escrow. I don't know what is involved in releasing the funds, but one dilemna is that the Tories are not fiscal conservatives themselves though while taxing and spending, they've made moves to apply the breaks to a runaway locomotive by the end of this time --- the end of their second term (~9 years). While they do have chances of getting a third term, catching up in the polls to their more moderate/slightly leftish pro-business rivals, the Liberals (as in Euro/UK), the Tories' heir-apparent for the leaders' mantle has been termed a clone of Hillary Clinton ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr5.203552.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that >Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse >and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros >to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. > Obviously some reporter for the Ottawa Sun got taken by an April Fools joke...probably started by someone with the Nordiques or the Bruins. Like for example...who is going to reimburse the Flyers for the $15 million they paid to the Nordiques...like the Senators are going to get Lindros and $15 million. The Flyers sent the equivalent of 6 or 7 players (when you include the draft choices) to Quebec, and they are going to get only four back. Some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having a real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense. >If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa >gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? > Can you think...it cannot possibly be true...no need for the "if"! >Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. >They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away >again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in >Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the >franchise. > >Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal >for the pick. > I can't believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even the remotest consideration. Gerald
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From: kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 34 Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. Eliminate the C-17 transport. Overwight, overdue, overbudget, it was supposed to carry tanks. New tanks are now too big for the airplane. Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. The breakup of the USSR has left us with a number of sticky military problems, but NONE of them will require "God's gift to submarines". Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. I'm sure it's a great airplane that will do EVERYTHING its designers said, but at half-a-gigabuck a copy, we can't afford for even ONE to crash. And airplanes DO crash. Elmo Zumwalt said it best 20+ years ago; "High/Low". A MIX of a FEW extremely capable weapons systems and a LOT of CHEAPER, moderate-capability systems. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the kmitchel@netcom.com| Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are Citrus Heights, CA | reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: bashful.phy.duke.edu In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: > >Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will > >be significant commerical activity on the Moon? > > Wishful thinking mostly. [Lots of stuff about how the commerical moonbase=fantasyland] Then what do you believe will finally motivate people to leave the earth? I'm not trying to flame you. I just want to know where you stand. -Chuck --- ******************************************************************* Chuck Chung (919) 660-2539 (O) Duke University Dept. of Physics (919) 684-1517 (H) Durham, N.C. 27706 cchung@phy.duke.edu "If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress?" *******************************************************************
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From: orly@phakt.usc.edu (Mr. Nitro Plastique) Subject: *** HELP! Newly installed Falcon 2.21 bombs my SE! (Crashed internal HD) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu HELP! I just received my Falcon 2.2.1 upgrade from Spectrum Holobyte today. My SE is running Sys 7.0.1 with 4mb of RAM. Like the instructions said, I only installed Disk 2 (The program...no start up screen or music). I just downloaded Macsbug from ftp.apple.com like it said, and installed it in my System folder. I restarted the mac an hour later, and it wouldn't completely boot off the internal HD. I get the "happy mac", then it disappears, only to reappear and repeat the cycle continuously. I never even get the "Welcome to Macintosh" message. Norton utilities fixed about 12 new problems, but the same thing still happened. What do I do? Please e-mail to "orly@aludra.usc.edu" THANKS IN ADVANCE!!! Victor Orly ; -- |Victor R. Orly | "Try to imagine all life as you know it, | |aka "Mr. Nitro Plastique" | stopping instantaneously, and every molecule | |Univ. of Southern California | in your body exploding at the speed of light"| |Internet: orly@aludra.usc.edu| -Egon Spengler, from "Ghostbusters" |
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From: wstomv@wsinpa04.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff) Subject: DeskWriter Drivers 3.1 -- How to install ? Organization: Eindhoven Univ. of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: wsinpa04.win.tue.nl Keywords: HP DeskWriter, DW-3.1, System 7.1, installation I recently upgraded to System 7.1 and now I also upgraded my DeskWriter drivers from 2.2 to 3.1. I got the software from Sumex, but it is not clear to me where to install what. Can someone tell me which of the files that come with DW-3.1 go where and for what purpose? What can be left out, for instance, if you don't want to do background printing? Thanks, Tom -- INTERNET: wstomv@win.tue.nl / Eindhoven University of Technology VOICE: +31 40 47 41 25 / Dept of Mathematics & Computing Science FAX: +31 40 43 66 85 / PO Box 513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven, Netherlands
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From: bc@idx.com Subject: Request info on a mystery PC card Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT Lines: 11 While rummaging through a box of old PC (5150) parts, I found a half-size board that looks like a comm port board. It was made by Forte Data Systems and has a copyright date of 1986 on it. The board provides a male 24-pin connector and has 3 jumpers of 3 pins each, two labelled A B C. I plugged it into my PC and ran Advanced diagnostics several times, changing the jumper positions each time, but the system did not recognise a comm port. Does anyone have a clue as to what this board might be or how to configure it? I could use another comm port if it's free. Bryan
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Toxoplasmosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 33 In article <1240002@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM> sude@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM (#Susanne Denninger) writes: > >1. How dangerous is it ? From whom is it especially dangerous ? > Dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them, it is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had it and it isn't dangerous at all. >2. How is it transmitted (I read about raw meat and cats, but I'd like to > have more details) ? > Cat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box. >3. What can be done to prevent infection ? > Cook your meat. Watch it with pets. >4. What are the symptoms and long-term effects ? > You'll have to read up on it. >5. What treatments are availble ? > There is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check. Of course, it can't reverse damage already done, such as in a fetus. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute Lines: 16 In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman >and his infamous moon-raker drives... I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! -- #include <std_disclaimer.h> Dan S.
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From: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> Subject: Re: The battle is joined Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 27 In article <C5nn9I.D5q@news.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: :In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: :>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the :>Administration even sooner than we feared. : :I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't :just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have :been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and :other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a :system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. :If this guess is wrong, I apologize. I'm sure Dorothy Denning is an honest person and wouldn't lie to us. Simply think up a question to ask her about her involvement, but be very careful to phrase it in such a way that there can be no Jesuitical evasion or a true but wholly misleading answer. In this country, MI5 are *experts* at answering these questions; for instance there was a British journalist (Jonathon Moyle) killed in South America a couple of years ago. Parliament asked "Was he an MI5 employee" "No." - turns out afterwards he wasn't paid, therefore wasn't an employee. They could equally have said he wasn't an agent - he went abroad on his private business with no brief from MI5, but was interviewed and debriefed at length only *on his return*. G
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From: hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes: > >>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in >>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring >>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot >>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil >>though. > >You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get >an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to >punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water ^^^^^^^^ >on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-) > >-Steve Gee, you really make me confused. What is radiator? Where is it located? What does it look like? Will it release any radiation (since it sounds like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes? hanguyen
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From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) Subject: * What's the difference between a Mac Portable and Powerbook 100? Distribution: usa Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu I've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've had my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old portables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I want to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is that the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal drive. Here's what I NEED to know: Does the portable support Appletalk/network connections? What's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?) DOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7????????? What's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get RAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?) What kind of internal HD does it use? Does the Portable have a better screen? THANX in advance. ===============================Mike Gaines============================== = WHAT is your name? Captain Jean-Luc Picard = = WHAT is your quest? I seek the Holy Grail = = WHAT is the top velocity of a Bird of Prey? Romulan or Klingon? = = I....I don't know...AAAHHHH!!!! = =============================meg5184@hertz.njit.edu===================== Graphix@AOL.com
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From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 19 In article <7306@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: >What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with >fast routines than just "polygons". It would be nice to know exaclty what >system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the >implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P I don't want texture mapped, cause if I did I'd asked for them. :) Just a simple and fast routine to do filled polygons. As for the processor, it'd be for a minimum of a 286... maybe 386 if I can't find a good one for 286s. Ideally, I want a polyn function that can clip to a user-defined viewport, and write to an arbitrary location in memory. Of course the chances of finding something like that are pretty remote, so I guess I'd need the source with it. Oh, and I guess it would need to be in ASM otherwise it'd be too slow. I've seen some polygon routines in C, and they've all been waaay too slow. Its for a 3D vector graphics program. I've been hunting high and low for a polyn function in ASM, and I can't find one anywhere that I can use. I've found one or two polyn functions, but my ASM is pretty bad, so I won't even try to rewrite them. :) //Lucas.
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 81 In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >In article davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: >>Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >>a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >>to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >>allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? >Candida albicans can cause severe life-threatening infections, usually >in people who are otherwise quite ill. This is not, however, the sort >of illness that you are probably discussing. > >"Systemic yeast syndrome" where the body is allergic to >yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine. There >is a book "The Yeast Connection" which talks about this "illness". > >There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives, before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over 2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his program. In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also *greatly* improved in other areas as well. Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you would have perceptible symptoms. Also, yeast do produce toxins of various sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that such toxins can cause problems in some people. In my case it was sinus since that's the center of my allergic response. Of course, the $60,000 question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the stress of infections and allergies, etc.), can develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons. BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time. In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as I am concerned. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.
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From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger) Subject: Subaru Shop manuals for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 40 o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00 This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that applies to other years as well. And, as long as I'm posting (end of car stuff), o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00 Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc. printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say) MUCH MORE! o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00 Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24" deep) for our little Cape Cod house. Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any of it on UofR Campus between now and graduation. Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY) plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Help me select a Backup Solution Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 55 Hi Netters! I'm looking at purchasing some sort of backup solution. After you read about my situation, I'd like your opinion. Here's the scenario: 1. There are two computers in the house. One is a small 286 (40MB IDE drive). The other is a 386DX (213 SCSI drive w/ Adaptec 1522 controller). Both systems have PC TOOLS and will use Central Point Backup as the backup / restore program. Both systems have 3.5" and 5.25" floppies. 2. The computers are not networked (nor will they be anytime soon). From what I have seen so far, there appear to be at least 4 possible solutions (I'm sure there are others I haven't thought about). For these options, I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has tried them or sees any flaws (drive type X won't coexist with device Y, etc.) in my thinking (I don't know very much about these beasts): 1. Put 2.88MB floppy drives (or a combination drive) on each system. Can someone supply cost and brand information? What's a good brand? What do the floppies themselves cost? 2. Put an internal tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and continue to back up the 286 with floppies. Again, can someone recommend a few manufacturers? The only brand I remember is Colorado Memories. Any happy or unhappy users (I know about the compression controversy)? 3. Connect an external tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and (maybe?) connect it to the 286 somehow (any suggestions?) 4. Install a Floptical drive in each machine. Again, any gotcha's or recommendations for manufacturers? I appreciate your help. You may either post or send me e-mail. I will summarize all responses for the net. Thanks, George =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= George J. Pandelios Internet: gjp@sei.cmu.edu Software Engineering Institute usenet: sei!gjp 4500 Fifth Avenue Voice: (412) 268-7186 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 FAX: (412) 268-5758 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the Software Engineering Institute, its sponsors, customers, clients, affiliates, or Carnegie Mellon University. In fact, any resemblence of these opinions to any individual, living or dead, fictional or real, is purely coincidental. So there. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr18.162427.17712@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) writes: >tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >: >: While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified >: policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to >: the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. >: >: Tim > >Not a separate question Mr. Clock. It is deceiving to judge the >resistance movement out of the context of the occupation. > >Alaa Zeineldine When the PLO moved into Lebanon and became, in parts of Lebanon, an Occupying Power itself, these same practices were common against non-Palestinean and Palestinean alike. They are simply Standard Operating Procedures among Palestineans and have been for a very long time. In fact, the greatest bloodbath of Palestineans will happen when they get self-rule. Can you possibly deny this? When the PLO is the Occupier, who are you NOW going to blame? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750? Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcvo$2q9 Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote: : I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990 : Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles : and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees : of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the : bike. : I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this : would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life : span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with : prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is : for cars?. : Thanks for any advice you can give. : --Mark -- _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ | | | Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | | Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | | 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | | Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | |______________________________________________________________|