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7200 | From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians
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Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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In article <C51qr5.Duu@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>>I suggest you
>>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying
>>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his
>>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.
>
>Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a
>gun?
If we had backed him strongly early on I doubt there would be the
problem there is now. Many Russians became disillusioned with democracy
and reforms when they felt, rightly IMO, that the West didn't care.
Yeltsin was virtually promised massive aid (once Bush got over his
Gorby-mania.) This probably kept him from dismantling the congress
and calling for new elections. Well, the aid didn't come through
and we didn't make sure it went to the proper places and now the
anti-reformers are gaining strength where before they were in
hiding.
>
>Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does
>happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to
>help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same
>reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably
>consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help
>them.
If they don't reform I don't believe in giving them money. However,
I think this is too important to take a non-interventionist approach.
This is what really bugs me about Libertarianism -- it sounds like
'it'll all be the same in a hundred years time. no need to do
anything.'
>
>
>>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if
>>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.
>>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is
>>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the
>>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other
>>democracies (or struggling democracies).)
>
>If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it
>be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to
>charity.
Despite the wishes of Libertarians, this society is a far way, and getting
farther, from being Libertarian. Perhaps voluntary gifts would work if
we had the proper framework but we do not have it. We have to face the
problem *now*, not in X years when we have a Libertarian dream society.
Right now there are huge stumbling blocks to trade, let alone charity.
There are still limitations to high-tech exports. NASA can't buy
Proton launch vehicles from them. Sure, the market may be able to
help a great deal but it can't right now. There are too many obstacles.
Instead of fighting against the aid you should be fighting to
tear down the obstacles the market and charities have to face.
>
>>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.
>>My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.
>>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies
>>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a
>>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we
>>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.
>
>It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,
>expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor,
>and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government
>is more key than how democratic it is.
Well, I think limited government is primarily democratic due
to it being limited. But the main question is how do you transform
a state-run economy and monolithic government into something that
even remotely looks like ours? (BTW, sometimes it seems that our government
is trying to go the opposite direction) It is not going to be
painless and not going to be easy. We simply cannot wait to
help when they *have* the 'proper' government. They'll never
get there without the aid. It may be too late already.
>
>>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who
>>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of
>>thing I thought Libertarians were against.
>
>That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.
And I'm just excercising mine.
>
>>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue
>>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems
>>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and
>>let it sink or swim.
>
>If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should
>be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would
>your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose
>weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you
>and your group for causes you don't support?
As I also said above, another problem I have is with *transformation*.
A Libertarian society is not going to happen painlessly or overnight.
I have seen nothing about how to take our current government and
society and turn it into a minimal government and a responsible
self-sufficient populace.
>
>>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.
>
>People have been saying that for hundreds of years.
They didn't have nuclear weapons 100 years ago. Nor instantaneous
communications nor travel to virtually anyplace on the earth in
less than a day.
>
>>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and
>>global decision making.
>
>All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more
>efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions
>on complex issues.
Yes, depend on the rulers of the free market and the businesses. Rulers
do emerge *somewhere* and they will never represent the opinions of
every person on the planet.
There must be checks and balances. Checks on the government when
it gets out of bounds and checks on industry when it gets out of
bounds. Putting all your hopes on the benevolence of the market
is, to me, just like putting all your hopes on the benevolence of
government.
>
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
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7201 | From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely
>>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just
>>>implanted some sort of electronic device.
>>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in
>>potential criminals like Communists and atheists?
>
> Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people
> *before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this?
Look up "irony", Keith.
mathew
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7202 | From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)
Subject: Food Dehydrators
Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
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Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing
all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat,
or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at?
My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan
and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together
for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old?
John
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7203 | From: cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd)
Subject: "SIMM Re-use" NuBus board... Anyone seen one?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Lines: 29
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Summary: does anyone make this? does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Keywords: SIMM NuBus board RAMDisk
Hello,
I remember running across an ad in the back of Mac[User|World]
a few years ago, for a Nubus board that had umpteen SIMM slots, to be
used to "recycle your old SIMMs," when you upgraded memory. I don't
remember who made this board, and I haven't seen it advertised in
any of the latest Mac magazines. It mentioned that it included software
to make the SIMMs on the board act like a RAM disk. As someone who has SIMMS
he can't get rid of/use, but hates the waste, this sounds to me like a majorly
good idea. Does anyone out there know what board/company I'm talking about?
Are they still in business, or does anyone know where I can get a used one
if they are no longer made? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please
e-mail me, to save net.bandwidth.
Thanks,
Cap.
--
| Internet: cptnerd@digex.com | AOL: CptNerd | Compuserve: 70714,105 |
CONSILIO MANUQUE
OTIUM CUM DIGNITATE
CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM EST PARTURIENT MONTES NASCETUR RIDICULUS MUS
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7204 | From: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si
Subject: Re: Cryptology in the world
Reply-To: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si
Organization: J. Stefan Institute, Lj, Slovenia
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr21.031524.11080@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) writes:
> What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the
> world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their
> policies on citizens encrypting electronic data?
>
> I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance.
> --
Good question. I also wanted to find out and I did a while ago.
In our former communist times such activity (i.e. sending crypto emails)
would be prevented sooner ot later, law or no law. But now there is no law
against it. So we are free to use it. We now have an EC conformant law for
protection and registration of personal files. You must remember that the
situation in small countries is vastly different from the big ones.
--
Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic
J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si
University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199
SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request
DOLGO SMOIS KALIS OVRAZ NIKEI NJIHK OCNOO DKRIL IVSEB IPIKA
|
7205 | From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
In-Reply-To: <timmbake.735261806@mcl>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
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>DATE: 19 Apr 93 23:23:26 GMT
>FROM: Bake Timmons <timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu>
>
>My my, there _are_ a few atheists with time on their hands. :)
>
>OK, first I apologize. I didn't bother reading the FAQ first and so fired an
>imprecise flame. That was inexcusable.
>
How about the nickname Bake "Flamethrower" Timmons?
You weren't at the Koresh compound around noon today by any chance, were you?
Remember, Koresh "dried" for your sins.
And pass that beef jerky. Umm Umm.
|
7206 | From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Ozzie Smith a Defensive Liability?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 18
In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes:
>In article <steph.735027990@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701
>> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good,
>>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few
>>years may be a defensive liability.
>
>That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability...
Why? Do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until
he reaches his seventy-third birthday, or something? Why is it such a
strange concept that a forty-one-year-old Ozzie Smith might be a defensive
liability in 1996?
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
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7207 | From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes:
>>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the
>>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.
>I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been
>convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite
>sufficient.
So, you sat in the court room and listened to the case. After careful
consideration, you have come to your conclusion. Well, good for you.
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7208 | From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
Gordon Banks:
>a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I think all
>of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the fluctuations
>in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. Unfortunately,
>I'm not one of them.
>
>
This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is
a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to
be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not
put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise
more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the
extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but
smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid
that this method will stop working someday, but usually
I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check.
This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion
of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting
(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle-
dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change.
I think a vigorous exercise program can go a long way toward
keeping the cycles smaller and the baseline weight low.
Brian
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7209 | From: Jay Fenton <Fenton@Kaleida.Com>
Subject: How to detect use of an illegal cipher?
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.
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Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:12:23 GMT
How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without
being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an
unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both
keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and "draw a blank".
I can imagine the ciphertext exhibiting certain statistical
characteristics that might give a clue as to the encryption technique
used, but not enough to give a handle for diferential cryptoanalysis.
However, superencipherment or some other scheme that shapes the percieved
properties of my ciphertext could thwart this.
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7210 | From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james)
Subject: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem
Lines: 20
Trade your old PC for my new modem.
Modem comes with coupond good for travel to/from Europe.
14.4 v.42bis modem
MODEM FEATURES:
MNP5 2-to-1 Compression & Error Correction
V.42bis 4-to-1 Compression & Error Correction
CCITT V.32bis Compatible (14.4k bps)
CCITT V.32 Compatible (9.6k bps)
CCITT V.22bis Compatible (2.4k bps)
AT Command Set Compatible
Compatible with IBM PC/XT/AT/386's and Compatibles
Bundled with Communications Software
PC Bus interface
Two RJ11C Connectors: Phone and Line
e-mail:
danj@holonet.net
|
7211 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote:
> The truth is, is that it is not some sort of magic spell. The truth
> is is that you do not understand it, and enjoy not understanding it.
I'm curious about this statement, is it a known understanding amongst
Christian believers that people who don't understand the Christian
doctrines are enjoying this state? I come from a background with
a heavy Christian teaching (Lutheran church), and consider myself
knowledgeable with the basic understandings of Christianity. At the
same time I'm *not* proud of things I don't understand or know of at
this point of time. Ignorance is not bliss!
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
|
7212 | From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: looking for a maintenance manual for Honda CB 360
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr12.132410.19470@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>If anyone thinks that touring on a CB 360 is pushing the envelope, try
>a 175 twin. My local Honda dealer says that my 1969 Honda Dream 175
>was commonly referred to as a "serious touring bike" when it first
>came out?!?!?! (maybe there IS something in the water around here).
What's the problem here? Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to
Barcelona and back. That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative
of the size of bikes on the road. A 350 was considered a big bike, and the
superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc. Anything bigger was real rare.
Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85
Nothing in the water!
Mais, voulez vous un peu du melange ?
|
7213 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: tuberculosis
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 17
In article <206@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>
>I found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only MEDICAL (as oppsed to psychiatric)
>condition that one can be committed for, and this is because very specific laws were
>enacted many years ago regarding tb. I am certain these vary from state to state.
I think in Illinois venereal disease (the old ones, not AIDS) was included.
Syphillis was, for sure.
--
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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|
7214 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how?
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 15
In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) writes:
> Would this work? I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much
>momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems
>to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs
>out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once
>they're there.
The Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been
somewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer
of reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb.
The bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers
momentum to the pusher plate.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
7215 | From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
Organization: DSI/USCRPAC
Lines: 18
In article <Apr18.204843.50316@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your
>crypto keys? I wouldn't.
I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure.
Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon .
David
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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7216 | From: rousseaua@immunex.com
Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk
Distribution: world
Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA
Lines: 19
While in grad school, I remember a biochemistry friend of mine working with
"heat shock proteins". Apparently, burning protein will induce changes in he
DNA. Whether these changes survive the denaturing that occurs during digestion
I don't know, but I never eat burnt food because of this.
Also, many woods contain toxins. As they are burnt, it would seem logical that
some may volatilise, and get into the BBQed food. Again, I don't know if these
toxins (antifungal and anti-woodeater compounds) would survive the rather harsh
conditions of the stomach and intestine, and then would they be able to cross
the intestinal mucosa?
Maybe someone with more biochemical background than myself (which is almost
*anyone*... :)) can shed some light on heat shock proteins and the toxins that
may be in the wood used to make charcoal and BBQ.
Anne-Marie Rousseau
e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com
What I say has nothing to do with Immunex.
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7217 | From: B8HA <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
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Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca
Organization: McGill University
In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes:
>From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>:
>> What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a
>> s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza
>> k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the
>> way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref
>> ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.
>
>
>There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this
>respect.
>
>Israel allows freedom of religion.
>
>Avi.
>.
>.
Avi,
For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is
no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion
(i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering.
Steve
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7218 | From: gyu@bbn.com (George Yu)
Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!!
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
> Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
> Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
>A replica would be great I think.
> -TKH '93
According to _The Complete Guide To Specialty Cars_, 7th Edition, from
Crown Publishing, it's the VW Kubelwagen (w/ 2 dots over the 'u').
The company is:
Wolfkam
P.O. Box 1608, Vika
0119 Oslo 1, Norway
011-47-30-26601 voice line
011-47-2-166138 FAX line
An excerpt from the blurb:
...This fine Kubel clone from Wolfkam is a very close copy of
the original, and offers the same all-weather and cross-country
capabilities as its WWII forebears. The robust fiberglass body
kit is very complete, and includes all the hardware you will
need, except for your own VW donor car. The phone number [...]
is the entire AT&T dialing sequence; call and ask for Karl
Torum, or send $5 cash or _International Money Order_
for a complete literature package.
George.
P.S., I'd be happy to share what info I have on other kit cars and
kit car manufacturers.
P.P.S., I'm looking for a used or partially completed Porsche 356
Speedster Convertible D replica from Intermeccanica. I'd
appreciate any leads or advice/stories from any owners
out there.
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7219 | From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 24
In article <C5L1Fv.H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:
>How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known
>what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored
>it)?
>
So now we're judging the Qur'an by what's not in it?
How many mutton headed arguments am I going to have to wade
through today?
>Lots of other books have been written on this subject. Those
>books can speak far more eloquently than I.
One would hope.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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7220 | From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com
Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston
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In article <C5K9M5.7Ku@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>
>If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and
>taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite
>will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd
>get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're
>taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob
>me and/or do other physically harmful things.
Here in Houston last year a woman heard the sound of someone in her
garage, so she went to investigate with a gun in her hand. She
found a guy in the process of stealing her bicycle. She quite
reasonably asked him to stop. He refused, began taunting her, and
as the woman was quoted in the police report, "He told me to go
ahead and shoot him, so I did." The moron survived, and no
charges were filed against the woman.
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7221 | From: gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher)
Subject: Funding for NASA
Article-I.D.: rpi.87g54s_
Lines: 8
Nntp-Posting-Host: marcus.its.rpi.edu
I am doing a political science paper on the funding of NASA and pork-barrel
politics. I would be interested in information about funding practices and
histories of some of the major programs (Apollo, STS, SSF, etc) and the
funding of SSTO to contrast. Could someone please recommend some sources
that would be useful? Thank you.
--
Sean Gallagher
gallas2@rpi.edu
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7222 | From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child?
Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Lines: 27
In a previous article, steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) says:
>Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it
> take to kill a 5 year old native child?
>
>A: Four
>
>Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face,
>and one writes up a false report.
This newsgroup is for intelligent discussion. I want you to either smarten
up and stop this bullshit posting or get the fuck out of my face and this
net.
Steve
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7223 | From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 35
boyle@cactus.org writes:
> In article <1qv7mn$dql@menudo.uh.edu> thang@harebell.egr.uh.edu (Chin-Heng Thang) writes:
> > Recently, I saw an ad for the altima which says that it is the
> >best seller for the past 6 months, is that true?
> >
>
> I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
> Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
> the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
> dept. would have been proud of that sentence. What they mean, I think, is
> that of all "totally new models", i.e. cars never sold before in any
> form, the Altima is the best seller, thereby eliminating Accord, Taurus
> etc.
THis is from the same people who make the claim that our minivan is outsellin
theirs.... implying that the Nissan Quest/ Murcury Villager are out-selling
the Chrysler mini-vans.... not only is this not true at all, but it was a stupid
claim to make... the commercial was part of the introduction campaign for the
vans. Kind of a bold statement to make when you haven't even sold one yet, eh?
And I thought Buick and Oldsmobile where bad. Shame on you Nissan and
Mercury!
>
> Any other interpretations?
>
>
> Craig
> > Does anyone has anyhting regarding the # of cars sold for the
> >past 6 months?
> >
> >
> >
> >tony
>
>
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7224 | From: heke@stekt.oulu.fi (Heikki Paananen)
Subject: Re: How do DI boxes work?
In-Reply-To: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU's message of 15 Apr 93 15:02:28
Lines: 38
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
In article <LANCER.93Apr15150228@oconnor.WPI.EDU> lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:
> I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct
> Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a
> line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run
> to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going
> to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to
> another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have
> any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's "Electronic
> Projects for Musicians" book (which I am having a hell of a time
> tracking down...)?
An Easy way to solve the problem is to use two op-amps to form the
balanced low-Z output, but this solution does not provide any
galvanic isolation between keyboard (or whatever plugged) and
mixer. If no tight requiremets are demanded and some hum, snap,
crackle and pop sounds (formed by ground loops) can be tolerated,
the op-amp solution is just what you are looking for! (It is
cheap...somewhat $10/DI-box).
Not sure, but Craig Anderton did introduce one DI-box project
in Guitar Player mag years ago (transformerless).....
> Thanks a lot!
Hope this helps. Email, if more details wanted....
> - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: -
> - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld -
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The University of Oulu
Department of electrical engineering -Just a student
Finland
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but if the heart lies where is home?
-Fish
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7225 | From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Subject: Re: My 1993 Predictions
Article-I.D.: odin.C52w7y.n09
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Lines: 33
Nntp-Posting-Host: bullpen.csd.sgi.com
In article <1993Apr6.143616.3588@infonode.ingr.com> kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com writes:
>I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others
>to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these
>were completed before the first pitch. :-)
>
>
>NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division.
>1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern
>2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all
>3. Houston Astros -Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2
>4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993
>5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants
>6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink
>7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL.
>
>
>NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting
> what I said in my NL West comment.)
>ALCS New York d. Minnesota
>
>World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be
> fashionable again
>
>NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff
I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher
than 6th.
luigi
--
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Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
"Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"
|
7226 | From: Vincent.Iannelli@launchpad.unc.edu (Vincent Iannelli)
Subject: Accelerators for SE
Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Lines: 8
The is a 3-4 week backorder, but they are shipping.
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
|
7227 | From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Lines: 41
In article <1993Apr14.081214.3921@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>>>>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as
>>>>>Alomar last year.
>>>
>>>Guess which line is which:
>>> BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB
>>>X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87
>>>Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35
>>
>>>The walks should give it away. OBP's, in general, somewhat more valuable than
>>>slugging, and Alomar's edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga's edge
>>>in slugging.
>>
>>I'm no SDCN, but what's more valuable:
>>
>>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR
>>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let's not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?)
>
>Of course the 28 hits and 12 homers are more valuable.
>
>But don't forget the 58 outs. You can't have it both ways; Baerga's higher
>raw numbers are due to him having more playing time, and thus he had more
>hits and homers, but don't forget the cost of those outs.
>
>(BTW, just to answer your question, Alomar had 49 SB and 9 CS; Baerga had
>10 SB and 2 CS, which gives a minute plus on Alomar's side.)
Something else to consider:
Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424
and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park.
I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P
rated Baerga higher, actually.
Mike
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7228 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
I once read an article on Computer technology which stated that
every new computer technology was actually lower and slower then what it
replaced. Silicon was less effective then the germanium products
then available. GaAs was less capable then Silicon. Multi-processors
were slower then existent single processors.
What the argument was, though was that these new technologies promised either
theoretically future higher performance or lower cost or higher densities.
I think that the DC-1 may g=fit into this same model.
ELV's can certainly launch more weight then a SSRT, but
an SSRT offers the prospect of greater cycle times and lower costs.
This is kind of a speculative posting, but I thought i'd throw it out as
a hjistorical framework for those interested in the project.
pat
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7229 | From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Lines: 10
"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?
> Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just
> told you, "Zionism is Racism." This is a tautological statement.
I think you are confusing "tautological" with "false and misleading."
--
Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
|
7230 | From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi)
Subject: OEM weight scale
Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Lines: 13
Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output?
I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers,
with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy.
Any sources ? -David
+------------------------------------------------------------+
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| Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> |
| Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> |
| One Brookings Drive <prutchi@eng.tau.ac.il> |
| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 |
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|
7231 | From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 2
The car might also need a front end alignment, particularly if you're
describing wandering.
|
7232 | From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Keywords: Phillies
Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT)
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr14.222601.21160@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
>
>After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies
>started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've
>heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that
>season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in
>mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the
>Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I
>hope this season is MUCH different.
Strictly from memory, I think the Phillies were something like
ten games up with 12 to go, lost 10 in a row, and 11 of last 12
to lose to the Cardinals. Seems impossible, but thats how I
remember it. I also felt at the time that Johnny Callison of
the Phillies lost the MVP as a by-product of their swoon.
jerry
P.S. In 1964, a single team out of 8 won the pennant; no divisions.
|
7233 | From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21
Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing
: a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
: (described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
: in the Chicago area?
:
: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?
From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a
Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
a parking sign or similar.
Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
at the jointed sections ?
tony
|
7234 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 54
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
In article <1993Apr22.003719.101323@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
>prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated:
>>
>>
>
>I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in
>that essentially says "If you never hear from Earth again,
>here's what to do." This was a back up in the event a receiver
>burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but
>still some data).
>
Voyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the
solar system. All it's doing is collecting fields data, and routinely
squirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable
solar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data.
Something in a planetary orbit, is subject to much more complex forces.
Comsats, in "stable " geosynch orbits, require almost daily
stationkeeping operations.
For the occasional deep space bird, like PFF after pluto, sure
it could be left on "auto-pilot". but things like galileo or
magellan, i'd suspect they need enough housekeeping that
even untended they'd end up unusable after a while.
The better question should be.
Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding
to support these kind of ongoing science missions.
pat
When ongoing ops are mentioned, it seems to always quote Operations
and Data analysis. how much would it cost to collect the data
and let it be analyzed whenever. kinda like all that landsat data
that sat around for 15 years before someone analyzed it for the ozone hole.
>>Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some
>>cosmic phenomena.
>>
>Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for
>startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might
>not be such a big loss. Obviously you can't plan for
>everything, but the most obvious things can be considered.
>
>
>/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\
>| "I know you believe you understand what it is that you |
>| think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that |
>| what I said is not what I meant." |
|
7235 | From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Keywords: Phillies
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 12
jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) writes:
> P.S. In 1964, a single team out of 8 won the pennant; no divisions.
Make that ten, not eight. The Mets and Astros joined the N.L. in 1962.
-----
Eric Smith
erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
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7236 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Armenian slaughter of more than 600,000 Kurdish people in 1915.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 21
Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.
"When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster
of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular
Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of
these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer.
These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more
than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in
the eastern vilayets of Turkey."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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7237 | From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: This just in . . . .
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Lines: 29
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
Keywords: C-sharp
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes...
>In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com>
> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com>
>> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General
>>>>said in a new report.
>>The Inspector General?
>>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General!
>>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...)
>Behold the Lord High Executioner...
>no, that's something else.
I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan. It's the film
"The Inspector General" [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the
name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-(). Jonathan thinks there
was an earlier Russian film; "Movies on TV" just says it was based on a Gogol
(Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story.
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484
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7238 | From: dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org (Mark Dotson)
Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath
Organization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio
Lines: 10
: I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a
: MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and
: he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the
: gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he
: was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group...
Yes, but Jeff also speaks out against listening to bands like Black
Sabbath. He says they're into all sorts of satanic stuff. I don't know.
Mark (dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org)
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7239 | From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Price drop on C650 within 2 months?
Article-I.D.: menudo.1psm47$td
Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: protein.bchs.uh.edu
In article <Apr06.184114.73926@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes:
> I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple
> to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month
> and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a
> good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it,
> but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal
> I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better
> deal?
>
> thanks,
>
>
Is that the low-end configuration? If it is, it has the 68LC040 (no FPU), as
opposed to all the other configurations with a 68RC040 (has an FPU). Be sure
you know what you are getting before you buy!!! The 68RC040 is around
$350-$400 right now, if you intend to upgrade it from a 68LC040.
Sunny
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7240 | From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Lawsuit against ADL
Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 142
[It looks like Yigal has been busy...]
RTw 04/14 2155 JEWISH GROUP SUED FOR PASSING OFFICIAL INFORMATION
By Adrian Croft
SAN FRANCISCO, April 14, Reuter - Nineteen people, including the son of
former Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Arens, sued the Anti-Defamation League
(ADL) on Wednesday, accusing the Jewish group of disclosing confidential
official information about them.
Richard Hirschhaut, director of the San Francisco branch of the ADL, art
dealer Roy Bullock and former policeman Tom Gerard were also named as defendants
in the suit, filed in San Francisco County Superior Court.
The 19 accuse the ADL of B'nai B'rith, a group dedicated to fighting
anti-Semitism, and the other defendants of secretly gathering information on
them, including data from state and federal agencies.
The suit alleges they disclosed the information to others, including the
governments of Israel and South Africa, in what it alleges was a "a massive
spying operation."
The action is a class-action suit. It was filed on behalf of about 12,000
anti-apartheid activists or opponents of Israeli policies about whom the
plaintiffs believe the ADL, Bullock and Gerard gathered information.
Representatives of the ADL in San Francisco were not immediately available
for comment on Wednesday.
The civil suit is the first legal action arising out of allegations that
Gerard, a former inspector in the San Francisco police intelligence unit, passed
confidential police files on California political activists to a spy ring.
The FBI and San Francisco police are investigating the ADL, Bullock and
Gerard over the affair and last week searched the ADL's offices in San Francisco
and Los Angeles.
The suit alleges invasion of privacy under the Civil Code of California,
which prohibits the publication of information obtained from official sources.
It seeks exemplary damages of at least $2,500 per person as well as other
unspecified damages.
Lawyer Pete McCloskey, a former Congresmen who is representing the
plaintiffs, said the 19 plaintiffs included Arab-Americans and Jews -- and his
wife Helen, who also had information gathered about her.
One of the plaintiffs is Yigal Arens, a research scientist at the
University of Southern California who is a son of the former Israeli Defence
Minister.
Arens told the San Francisco Examiner he had seen a file the ADL kept on
him in the 1980s, presumably because of his criticism of the treatment of
Palestinians and his position on the Israeli-occupied territories.
According to court documents released last week, Bullock and Gerard both
kept information on thousands of California political activists.
In the documents, a police investigator said he believed the ADL paid
Bullock for many years to provide information and that both the league and
Bullock received confidential information from the authorities.
No criminal charges have yet been filed in the case. The ADL, Bullock and
Gerard have all denied any wrongdoing.
REUTER AC KG CM
APn 04/14 2202 ADL Lawsuit
Copyright, 1993. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
By CATALINA ORTIZ
Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Arab-Americans and critics of Israel sued the
Anti-Defamation League on Wednesday, saying it invaded their privacy by
illegally gathering information about them through a nationwide spy network.
The ADL, a national group dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, intended to
use the data to discredit them because of their political views, according to
the class-action lawsuit filed in San Francisco Superior Court.
"None of us has been guilty of racism or Nazism or anti-Semitism or hate
crimes, or any of the other `isms' that the ADL claims to protect against. None
of us is violent or criminal in any way," said Carol El-Shaieb, an education
consultant who develops programs on Arab culture.
The 19 plaintiffs include Yigal Arens, son of former Israel Defense Minister
Moshe Arens. The younger Arens, a research scientist at the University of
Southern California, said the ADL kept a file on him in the 1980s presumably
because he has criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
"The ADL believes that anyone who is an Arab American ... or speaks
politically against Israel is at least a closet anti-Semite," Arens said.
The ADL has denied any wrongdoing, but couldn't comment on the lawsuit
because it hasn't reviewed it, said a spokesman at the ADL's New York
headquarters.
The FBI and local police and prosecutors are investigating allegations that
the ADL spied on thousands of individuals and hundreds of groups, including
white supremacist and anti-Semitic organizations, Arab-Americans, Greenpeace,
the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and San Francisco
public television station KQED.
Some information allegedly came from confidential police and government
records, according to court documents filed in the probe and the civil lawsuit.
No charges have been filed in the criminal investigation.
The lawsuit accuses the ADL of violating California's privacy law, which
forbids the intentional disclosure of personal information "not otherwise
public" from state or federal records.
The lawsuit claims the ADL disclosed the information to "persons and
entities" who had no compelling need to receive it. It didn't elaborate.
Defendants include Richard Hirschhaut, director of the ADL's office in San
Francisco. He did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment.
Other defendants are San Francisco art dealer Roy Bullock, an alleged ADL
informant over the past four decades, and former police officer Tom Gerard.
Gerard allegedly tapped into law enforcement and government computers and passed
information on to Bullock.
Gerard, who has retired from the police force, has moved to the Philippines.
Bullock's lawyer, Richard Breakstone, said he could not comment on the lawsuit
because he had not yet studied it.
UPwe 04/14 1956 ADL sued for allegedly spying on U.S. residents
SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) -- A group of California residents filed suit Wednesday
charging the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith with violating their privacy
by spying on them for the Israeli and South African governments.
The class-action suit, filed in San Francisco Superior Court, charges the ADL
and its leadership conspired with a local police official to obtain information
on outspoken opponents of Israeli policies towards the Occupied Territories and
South Africa's apartheid policy.
The ADL refused to comment on the suit.
The suit also took aim at two top local ADL officials and retired San
Francicso police officer Tom Gerard, claiming they violated privacy guarantees
in the state constitution and violated state confidentiality laws.
According to the suit, Gerard helped the ADL obtain access to confidential
files in law enforcement and government computers. Information from these files
were passed to the foreign governments, the suit charges.
"The whole concept of an organized collection of information based on
political viewpoints and using government agencies as a source of information is
absolutely repugnant," said former Rep. Pete McCloskey, who is representing the
plaintiffs.
The ADL's information-gathering network was revealed publicly last week when
the San Francisco District Attorney's Office released documents indicating the
group had spied on 12,000 people and 500 political and ethnic groups for more
than 30 years.
"My understanding is that they (the ADL) consider all activity that is in
some sense opposed to Israel or Israeli action to be part of their responsbility
to investigate," said Arens, a research scientist at the University of Southern
California.
"The ADL believes that anyone who is Arab American...or speaks politically
against Israel is at least a closet anti-Semite."
The FBI and the District Attorney's Office have been investigating the
operation for four months.
The 19 plaintiffs in the case include Arens, the son of former Israeli
Defense Minister Moshe Arens.
In a press release, the plaintiffs said the alleged spying had damaged them
psychologically and economically and accused the ADL of trying to interfere with
their freedom of speech.
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7241 | From: pfc@jungle.genrad.com (Paul F. Cappucci)
Subject: Seagate Hard Drive Forsale
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: jungle.genrad.com
Brand new never been used Seagate ST351 A/X 40meg hard drive forsale.
Paid $135 (includes mounting brackets).
I bought it and then ended up buying a new computer.
BRO takes it.
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7242 | Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
From: <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 160
Dan Sorenson (viking@iastate.edu) writes:
#In <mcclaryC5snpq.KB1@netcom.com> mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary)
#writes:
# Just thought I'd clear up a few of the murky areas...
#
#>Actually, after surviving being driven out of Nauvoo, and later Carthage,
#>the Mormons DID fortify Utah. They still arm themselves to "defend the
#>faith", and stockpile food as well. They have been involved in quite a
#>lot of illegal activity - including multiple (and often underage) wives
#>for the leaders - a practice still in vogue with some splinters of their
#>sect. The parallels between Koresh and Joseph Smith are striking.
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^
By "they," you mean the leaders of the lds church? I grant you that when
Joseph Smith was still alive, plenty of "accusations" were filed, most of
which had little bearing with reality, as evidenced by various verdicts.
I have studied lds history for 15 years now, and I have yet to see prove
that the lds leadership was involved, in quote: "illegal activities."
Plural marriage, yes, but your charge of "underage" wives sounds like it
could have originated from a tabloid, and discredits the high moral
standards which characterized these leaders and families, unlike, as it
appears, those of David Koresh.
# Joseph Smith started the sect. After he and his brother Hyram
#were murdered in a Nauvoo, Il. jail cell, church membership split over
#who to follow. Initially, Smith was considered a prophet (just like
#Mohammed, a rather interesting parallel considering Muslims consider
#Christ to be a prophet the same as Jews, I'm led to understand. Make
#no mistake, this was no messiah we're talking about in Smith). The
And neither did he claim he was. As the church reflects the moral
aptitude of its leaders (and especially those of Joseph Smith), I have
nothing but the highest respect for this inspired man, whose only "crime"
was that he refused to deny that he had seen a vision... Many have tried
to explain the "Smith phenomenon" away, but the bold presence of an 8.5
million member strong church stands as a witness that Joseph Smith's
testimony had enough resilience and power to carry on the message.
#thought at the time was that the gift of prophecy was to be handed
#down father to son. After Joseph Smith died, his son was only
#entering his teens. Brigham Young and a few others claimed to have
#been bequeathed the gift and leadership prior to his death. The
#Council of Twelve, the Church governing body, wasn't of much help
#here, and this basic conflict is still a wedge between the sects.
#Brigham Young took his followers to Salt Lake. The rest waited
#for Smith Jr. to grow up enough to assume leadership. The other
#claimants to the leadership were soon ignored, like Mike Dukakis. ;-)
"The rest" were apostates and excommunicated members of the Church,
while the great majority of the membership, the Twelve, and the various
auxiliary organizations, chose to accept Brigham Young as the new
prophet and leader of the Church. If you knew your lds scriptures and
doctrine, you would have known that Brigham Young was the FIRST in
line to fill the prophet Joseph Smith's vacancy: he was the senior
apostle in the Quorum, and various comments made by Joseph indicated
that it was Brigham who would lead the latter-day exodus to the West.
Other rightful "heirs" were either dead (Hyrum Smith) or excommunicated
(Oliver Cowdery), and while persecutions abounded and intensified,
Joseph Smith had already given orders to look for a new place, an empty
land beyond the boundaries of the United States (at that time). This
"Rekhabite" principle (pseudographia) was well understood and antipated
by the great majority of lds faithful, and was not questioned by them.
Granted, a couple of "do-it-yourselfers" stayed behind, unwilling to
sacrifice and to undertake the perilous journey to the unknown, but
this also was necessary to separate the tares from the wheat. The
church benefitted from this purification process: they became even
more unified and willing to carry out their mission to the world.
# Both sects practiced the "1-year food stockpile" doctrine,
#and this being frontier and farming country most carried or at
#least owned weapons. There is little evidence that they were a
#militaristic sect, given that they tended to move on rather than
#face large-scale opposition. Brigham Young, having suffered a
#great deal getting to Salt Lake, seems to have been quite
#justified in making military training a good thing. Remember,
#this was far beyond where even the US Army went, and these people
#had nobody to turn to save themselves.
#
# Just a little context to put this all in perspective.
BTW, since when is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (one of
the largest denominations in the country) a "sect"??? It didn't "splinter"
from any other religion, as did say, the Southern Baptists or Methodists.
#>So what did the Mormons get? It seems that J. Edgar Hoover was very
#>impressed with the way they kept secrets. (They're pledged to defend
#>secrets with their lives and atone for sin with blood. Many actually
#>do - even to the point of suicide.)
What a balloney. Suicide is sinful and against the law of God. I am
not comfortable with this alleged "cosiness" with Mammon: I assure you
that *many* among us reject this attitude categorically. Period. Our
ONLY true allegiance is to our God and to the leaders which He has
appointed to represent Him. In any regard, to read this TRASH (about
suicide and "atone for sins with blood") is yet another insulting
misrepresentation of what my church believes in and stands for...
#
# The RLDS, the Reorganized LDS, are friendly rivals of the LDS
#and delight in telling stories about them, which generates quick retorts
#from the LDS members and everybody has a grand time. At no time have
#I ever even heard this hinted at. I'm taking it with a salt block.
Make it a really big salt mountain with a glacier on top.
#> So he hired virtually no one but
#>Mormons, until the FBI was almost exclusively staffed by members of the
#>Church of Later Day Saints. Though J. Edgar is finally gone, the FBI
#>personnel (especially the field agents) are still heavily Mormon.
#>I have often wondered how this might affect the FBI's treatment
#>of religious organizations a Mormon would consider heretical.
Preposterous. Even if this were true (reliable data, please), I
am convinced that those officers would perform to the highest codes
of honor and conduct (that's why they were selected for in the
first place, remember?). Besides, one of our Articles of Faith
STRONGLY states the principle of freedom of religion, and that all
people are free to worship "*how*, *where*, or *what* they may."
# If it's true, there would be little affect. LDS and RLDS
#philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true
#Church as set down by Jesus, but that God will judge each on his
#own merits. In addition, the RLDS also contend (and the LDS may
#as well) that ignorance of the True Way (tm) is an excuse. You
#can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected
#it. In short, LDS and RLDS suffer everybody from Lutherans to
#Buddhists, secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they
#will not be penalized for ignorance. It is more likely that Hoover
#liked them because of their rather strict upbringings which forbade
#alcohol, tobacco, hot drink (like coffee or tea), and the like.
#These people are the "salt of the Earth" and as such are more
#easily made to follow orders and have few vices to be used against them.
A good explanation, I can accept that. You are right that lds people
are sometimes a little too cosy with Mammon's "orders" (the late
president Kimball, for example, was an exception with his strong
opposition of the selection of the MX "Peace Keeper" missile maze
in Utah).
# That's my somewhat educated guess, anyway. Both sects have
#splinter groups that don't mirror the masses, but these are small
#and rare, and hardly worth noting their common ancestry.
#
# None of this has any relevance to guns, though. When a
#man's religion is used to deny him the right of self-protection with
#the weapons suitable for the job, he'll find an ally in me.
#
#< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
#< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
#< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
#< unusual people. And flame them. >
Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet
Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu
UCS Computer Facilities
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7243 | Organization: Arizona State University
From: <ICGLN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Burzynski's "Antineoplastons"
Distribution: world
Lines: 16
A good source of information on Burzynski's method is in *The Cancer Industry*
by pulitzer-prize nominee Ralph Moss. Also, a non-profit organization called
"People Against Cancer," which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer
patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the
cancer industry, but which have shown highly promising results (all of which
are non-toxic). Anyone interested in cancer therapy should contact this organi-
zation ASAP: People Against Cancer
PO Box 10
Otho IA 50569-0010
(515)972-4444
FAX (515)972-4415
peace
greg nigh
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7244 | From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Lines: 22
Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says:
>
>Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?
No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t.
>The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
>machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages,
>especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
>high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the
>Kat.
So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike? You know,
following too closely and reckless driving?
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
|
7245 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Though his book was dealing with the Genocide of Muslims by Armenians..
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 45
In article <C5y86J.6Hs@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>Then repeat everything I said before with the word "race-related"
>substituted for "racist". All that changes is the phrasing; complaining
>that I used the wrong word is a quibble.
Well, your Armenian grandparents were fascist. As early as 1934, K. S.
Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians
'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]
At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.
In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:'
"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall
see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
bereft of social sanctities."[2]
[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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7246 | From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
In-Reply-To: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu's message of 18 Apr 1993 19:30:47 GMT
Lines: 14
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.
In article <1qsa97INNm7b@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
> [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated]
> >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec.
> If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE
> come from?
Well, some quick math on my part shows that an 8.3MHz bus, 16 bits
wide, performing a transfer every two clock cycles will provide 8.3M
bytes/sec. Someone said that it really takes 3 clock cycles to
perform a transfer, so that reduces the transfer rate to 5.5MB/s,
which is the commonly-used figure for ISA bus speed. However, I
believe a two-clock transfer is possible (0 wait states).
--
Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
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7247 | From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou)
Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11
Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us
Lines: 22
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 11:41:36 GMT
In article <C528HE.I1q@news.ucs.mun.ca> rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell) writes:
=>There is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ),
=>Xwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities
=>that can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe.
=>Both these unix's are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux
i dunno about linux, but for 386bsd, don't forget networking
(well tested, at that), NFS, a fast, incredibly stable filesystem,
and the list goes on... 8-)
for us 386bsd folk, look in comp.os.386bsd.*.
chris
moderator of comp.os.386bsd.announce, anti-politician, and sometime evangelist
--
Chris G. Demetriou cgd@cs.berkeley.edu
"386bsd as depth first search: whenever you go to fix something you
find that 3 more things are actually broken." -- Adam Glass
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7248 | From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Lines: 82
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com
In article <C5sou8.LnB@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu
(Andrew Betz) writes:
> >In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
writes:
> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their
> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch.
> >>
> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever
> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of
> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough."
>
> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people
> come out with their hands up several weeks ago.
>
It didn't happen.
> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally
> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely
> >>scenarios.
> >
> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating
> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly
> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government.
>
> More than someone who would not release children from the compound.
>
Obviously. You are an authority worshiper.
> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/"Jesus Christ".
> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in
> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult.
>
Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you
to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. You should at least view the whole
documentary before you claim it as a source.
> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they
> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are
> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places.
>
Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this?
I saw one place.
> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.
> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is
> >>ludicrous.
> >
> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to
> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people
> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why?
> >
Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it
is the root cause of all the other suspicion.
> >Drew
> >--
> >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu
> >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***
> >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights ***
> >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,
> > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
>
>
> --
>
Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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7249 | From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Edinburgh University
Lines: 14
If "I forgot" doesn't have as much credibility as you'd like, consider
this alternative. Somewhere on the hard disk, duplicated a few times,
keep a 128-bit random number. When the 128-bit digest of your
passphrase is computed, it is XORred with the random number before being
used as the key for your hard disk. Writing random junk over the random
numbers makes the hard disk unreadable by anyone.
Now, if you were merely to *claim* that you have written random junk
over the XOR key, no-one would be able to tell whether or not you were
telling the truth. This is (a) perjury, and (b) vunerable to
rubber-hose cryptography, but otherwise effective.
__ _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
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7250 | From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Subject: Re: Broken rib
Keywords: advice needed
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute
Lines: 28
In article <D0ZB3B1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>
>fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or
>cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm.
> My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was
>best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and
>indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very
>hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me
>is the movement or "clunking" I feel and hear back there when I move
>certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke
>years ago and that it still bothers them.. any opinions?
Your doctor is right. It is best to do nothing, besides taking some pain
medication initially. Some patients don't like this and expect, or demand,
to have something done. In these cases some physicians will "tape" the
patient (put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest), or prescribe
an elastic binder. All this does is make it harder to breath, but the
patient doesn't feel cheated, because soemthing is being done about the
problem. Either way, the end results are the same.
==================================
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
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7251 | From: A.F.Savage@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Savage)
Subject: Searching for xgolf
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Lines: 14
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
I recently found the file xgolf on a German ftp site
(reseq.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de) but unfortunately the shar file
was incomplete and the author's email address given in the readme file
(markh@saturn.ee.du.edu) does not work.
Can anyone assist by giving the location of a full version of this (or
any other golf game for X) game, or a way of contacting the author?
Please reply by email if you can help
Ade
--
Adrian Savage, University of Bradford, UK. Email: a.f.savage@bradford.ac.uk
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7252 | From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes:
|> I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs.
|> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in
|> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm
|> not allergic to anything that I know of.
The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so
greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some
claim their heart "skipped" beats once in a while. Some reacted with
headache, some stomach ache. Some had watery eyes or running nose, some
had itchy skin or rashes. More serious accusations include respiration
difficulty and brain damage.
Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one
suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But
if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it.
Jason Chen
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7253 | From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: 1.2MB external FD for PS/2(extremely cheap)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 11
Subject: 1.2 External FD for PS/2 (extremely cheap)
I have a brand new 1.2 external floppy drive for PS/2, still in the box.
I will sell it for $90 + shipping/firm, which is half of the market price
(check page 474 of Computer Shopper, Apr-93 issue, the price is $179 there).
Please let me know if you are interested.
Ailin
803-654-8817
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7254 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 57
NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu
mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>I was looking for a rigorous definition because otherwise we would be
>spending the rest of our lives arguing what a "Christian" really
>believes.
I don't think we need to argue about this.
>KS>Do you think that the motto points out that this country is proud
>KS>of its freedom of religion, and that this is something that
>KS>distinguishes us from many other countries?
>MW>No.
>KS>Well, your opinion is not shared by most people, I gather.
>Perhaps not, but that is because those seeking to make government
>recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do not
>think they are infringing on the rights of others who do not share
>their beliefs.
Yes, but also many people who are not trying to make government recognize
Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do no think
the motto infringes upon the rights of others who do not share their
beliefs.
And actually, I think that the government already does recognize that
Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. I mean, it is.
Don't you realize/recognize this?
This isn't to say that we are supposed to believe the teachings of
Christianity, just that most people do.
>Like I've said before I personally don't think the motto is a major
>concern.
If you agree with me, then what are we discussing?
>KS>Since most people don't seem to associate Christmas with Jesus much
>KS>anymore, I don't see what the problem is.
>Can you prove your assertion that most people in the U.S. don't
>associate Christmas with Jesus anymore?
No, but I hear quite a bit about Christmas, and little if anything about
Jesus. Wouldn't this figure be more prominent if the holiday were really
associated to a high degree with him? Or are you saying that the
association with Jesus is on a personal level, and that everyone thinks
about it but just never talks about it?
That is, can *you* prove that most people *do* associate Christmas
most importantly with Jesus?
>Anyways, the point again is that there are people who do associate
>Christmas with Jesus. It doesn't matter if these people are a majority
>or not.
I think the numbers *do* matter. It takes a majority, or at least a
majority of those in power, to discriminate. Doesn't it?
keith
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7255 | From: lgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca>, sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes:
>
> --
>
> I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an
> IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in
> daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward
> 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle.
>
> I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give
> information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the
> angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s),
> possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp
> current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I
> would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required.
>
> Has anyone done something like this?
>
Why don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving
end to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal.
Just a thought.
LORI
> Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca
> (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
--
<<<RED FISHY WINS>>>
Lori Gardi (519) 661-2111 ext 8695
Dept. of Astronomy, lgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, ON, CANADA, N6A 3K7
|
7256 | From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Recommend me a PS printer
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 84
I'm in the market for a laser printer. Used printers are fine, non-apple
printers are fine, but whatever printer I get must fit the following:
Required features:
- PostScript
- 300 dpi
- emough memory to download fonts
- The cheaper, the better. I'd prefer under $1000.
Nice things:
- anything over 4 pages per minute
- scsi output for a font disk
- smallish footprint
Don't Care About:
- PostScript Level II
- networking (its just for me, and always will be)
- color
I know about Freedom of Press, but I've also heard that its painfully slow.
I can tolerate about 4 ppm, but anything slower than that and I'm not going
to consider the price savings worth it. I'd be curious to hear people's
experience with it, tho.
I also infinitely prefer laser over ink; I used to use HP deskjets in
my last job and wasn't impressed with the quality. I'm a laser bigot
and the first to admit it. :)
I'll be using the printer to layout pages of a book I'm writing. The
page will include multiple fonts, PS graphics, scanned line art and
maybe greyscale pictures (not sure yet). The quality doesn't need to
be spectacular, but it needs to be clear and readable.
Printers I've been looking at:
- used LaserWriters: The plus, the NT, the NTR. Its my understanding that
only the NTR has a SCSI out for a disk. True?
- Personal LaserWriter (LS and NTR). I have access to the Apple Employee
discount (I work for one of Apple's spinoffs), so I can get these reasonably
cheaply. I've heard bad things about the LS; comments? I'm leaning
towards the Personal NTR, cause it has a nice small footprint.
- LaserWriter Select 300. I hear it doesn't have PostScript, but I haven't
seen anything for sure. I heard mumbles once about a "postscript upgrade."
??
- Used HP LaserJets. I've worked with the II and IIP on another platform, and
they were *painfully* slow. Are they that bad on the mac?
- I've seen ads for an Epson PS laserprinter that is running quite cheap.
Any comments on this printer? I hate the styling (too many ouput trays),
but if its a decent printer I'll consider it.
Thanks for any comments...
--
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
*********************************************************
|
7257 | From: randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson)
Subject: When are two people married in God's eyes?
Organization: Univ. Texas-Houston Allied Health Sci
Lines: 18
I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
couple become "married" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have
publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and
are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective
qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight.
Suppose they are unable to get before the altar right at the current time
because of purely logistical reasons beyond their control. What do you
think about this?
Post or e-mail me with general responses. If you need clarification as to
what I am asking, please e-mail.
Thanks and God bless!
============================================
Robert M. Anderson III
randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu
|
7258 | From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)
Subject: The "P24T"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 14
Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu
Hay all:
Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t.
I was wondering what it's performance compared to the 486/66 and/or
pentium would be. Any info would be helpful.
Later
BoB
--
Robert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio
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COMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
7259 | From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 31
Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes:
>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:
>>Now, Space Marketing
>>What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that
>>it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).
>I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant
>effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day,
>but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only
When I was at the Texas Star Party a few years ago, the sky was so dark
that Venus did, indeed, cause light pollution until it set.
Even if the billboard were dark it could cause a problem. Imagine observing an
object and halfway through your run, your object was occulted!
I would guess that most of the people stating positive opinions are not
fanatically serious observers.
It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the
wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be.
George Krumins
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| George Krumins |
| gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu |
|
7260 | From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)
Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?
Lines: 38
Organization: Walla Walla College
Lines: 38
In article <1993Apr14.213356.22176@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>From: snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder )
>Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:33:56 GMT
>In article <healta.56.734556346@saturn.wwc.edu> healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes:
>>Bobby,
>>
>>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named
>>Ellen G. White. I hope that what she said will help you to edit your
>>remarks in this group in the future.
>>
>>"Do not set yourself as a standard. Do not make your opinions, your views
>>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in
>>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal."
>> Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124
>>
>>I hope quoting this doesn't make the atheists gag, but I think Ellen White
>>put it better than I could.
>>
>>Tammy
>
>Point?
>
>Peace,
>
>Bobby Mozumder
>
My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe. Saying
that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and
counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups. I see in your posts a
spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don'
t believe exactly as you do. If you're here to try to convert the atheists
here, you're failing miserably. Who wants to be in position of constantly
defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?!
I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote,
everyone else has seemed to.
Tammy
|
7261 | From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
Lines: 12
In article <bissda.4.734849678@saturn.wwc.edu>
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether
>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a
>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what
>others have to say.
Read the FAQ first, watch the list fr some weeks, and come back then.
And read some other books on the matter in order to broaden your view first.
Benedikt
|
7262 | From: ma225121@umbc.edu (Jonas Schlein)
Subject: Olivetti XT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Lines: 8
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
X-Auth-User: ma225121
I am selling an AT&T XT compatible. It comes with a green screen CGA monitor,
360k 5.25" Floppy Drive, and a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive.
You would think it was brand new from the condition it's in.
Asking price is $150 + Shipping.
Reply via E-Mail if interested.
|
7263 | Organization: University of Maine System
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Accelerator for SE
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr15.114602.27275@ifi.uio.no>, oec@ifi.uio.no (\ystein
Christiansen) says:
>
>Has anyone out there in netland any experience with accelerators
>for SE? I am specially interested in:
> - speed up rate (% or compared to e.g. SE/30)
> - need for new SIMMs (speed in ns)
> - maximum RAM after upgrade
> - compatibility (I am mainly using FrameMaker)
> - can I use an additional, big b&w screen (15" to 21")
> - can I install the accellerator myself (no soldering)
> - price/where to buy
>
I have no experience with this particular hardware, but
just about every month in Macworld there is an add for
an combined SE accelerator/Video board. This item sells
for about $1000 and comes with a 25MHz 68030/68882 pair,
eight SIMM slots, and a grayscale 21" monitor.
This accelerator plugs into the SE's lone expansion port
and thus no soldering. You will however, need a long
TORX wrench to get the case open (but that's not really
a big deal).
Does that sound like what you were looking for?
-----> Jon Jon Carr
-----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU UMaine '93
1993 NCAA Champions! How about those 42-1-2 Black Bears!!
M - A - I - N - E - GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!
|
7264 | From: pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock)
Subject: Page numbering problem with WFW & Canon BJ10e
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca
Lines: 11
I am using WFW 2.0c with a Canon BJ10e. The printer driver is that
which comes with Windows 3.1. Unfortatunately, I am having a problem with
printing page numbers on the bottom of the page. I can print page number
on the top of the page, but not on the bottom. Has anybody had a similar
problem and/or does anybody have a solution for such a problem.
Thanks
pwoodcoc@business.uwo.ca
pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock)
Western Business School -- London, Ontario
|
7265 | From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby)
Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics
Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial
Nntp-Posting-Host: oahu.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Lines: 9
If the nose culture shows Staph, then Ceftin or even Ceclor
are better. Suprax does not kill Staph. Treating bacterial
infections involves a lot of try-and-fail because the
infections often involve multiple organisms with many resistant
strains. Some 60% of Hemophilus Influenza strains are now
resistant. What works for me and my organisms may not work
for you and yours. Keep experimenting.
Ken Colby
|
7266 | From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson)
Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50
Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Lines: 38
In article <1993Apr06.121342.25130@kub.nl>, volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) writes:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Anonymous,
>
> I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50.
> I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's
> external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be
> made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing,
> but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that
> faster...
> I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times
> as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)!
>
Technically there is no reason why a chip set cannot support a 486DX50 and
a 25MHz local bus.
I'm waiting for the mezzianine (sp?) VL bus that will be decoupled from
the main CPU clock and allow for many more slots due to the user of buffers.
This will allow the use of ever faster CPUs with the same standard I/O
cards. Until the next buss spec...
> regards, JV
> /////
> name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ]
> address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/
> 4847 hw teteringen _| |_
> holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \
> _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__
Guy
--
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc.
guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128
guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377
|
7267 | From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Illusion
Organization: your service
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com
> This is not a new idea. At least 10 years ago I got this little gadget with
> a keyboard on the back and 8 LED's in a vertical row on the front. It has a
> long handle and when you wave it in the air it "writes" the message you typed
> on the keyboard in the air.
----------
This is not news. In fact it's where I got the idea from, since it was
such a neat item. Mattell made it, I believe, modeled after a "space
saber" or "light sword" or something likewise theme-y. My addition was
using a motor for continuous display, and polar effects in addition to
character graphics. I should have protected it when I had the chance.
No one to kick but myself...
Ten years ago is about right, since I built mine in '84 or '85.
|
7268 | From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch)
Subject: Re: 6551A and 6551 compatibility
Distribution: world
Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site)
Lines: 31
In article <C5owvs.pr@world.std.com>, Internet Surfer writes:
> Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551..
No, the 6551A is able to operate in a 2 MHz system, the 6551 can only
take 1 MHz without problems.
If you see a 8551 made by MOS or CSG, take it, its a 6551A.
> It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need
> a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered
> version perhaps?
I know no fixed version of the 6551. There are different possibilities
to work around this bug. The easiest is to tie _CTS to GND and
use _DSR or _DCD as _CTS. It should be easy to fix the software,
_DSR is bit 6 and DCD ist bit 5 of the Status Register (Read 6551
with RS1 = low and RS0 = high).
Using the _CTS-line can lead into big trouble. The 6551 _instantly_
stops transmission if _CTS goes high. This means, that you may
get only a half byte...
Gerrit
--
Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany
Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9)
If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a
lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid
enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91)
|
7269 | From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: hats update... patches too!
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Lines: 15
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
>I've got orders for about 30-35 hats. The expensive part (not surprisingly)
>is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so.
Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and
wheels. Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is
some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and
paid for.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
|
7270 | From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Murray as GM (was: Wings will win
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Lines: 37
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr19.204348.8254@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes...
>
>In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>
>>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM
>>I have ever seen in hockey
>
>How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were
>a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked
>unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for
>the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would
>have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon
>of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can
I think Murray has done a great job. He's picked up Ciccarelli,
Sheppard, Ysebaert, Howe, Coffey, and Riendeau (plus some depth players)
without giving up anything the Wings needed or any of his top prospects.
All of this in three years. Has anyone done better?
The year before he took over, the Wings didn't even make the playoffs.
There was about a year and a half during Demers' stint that the Wings
did OK, but that was due to Demers' motavational skills and clutch
and grab style. They didn't have much talent.
Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not
ready to admit that's a horrible pick). They hired him after the
draft (which has never made sense to me). His first pick was
Lapointe.
Ron
**********
"And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set
of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems
in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal
with new problems."
... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93
|
7271 | From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: Computer Parts/Camcorder
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 21
In article <C4z2CF.2n6@cscns.com> zardox@cscns.com (Randie O'Neal) writes:
>
>: 5.25" 1.2MB and 3.5" 1.44 Drives...new... planned on building machine, but
>: ran out of funds... $30.00 each drive
>
>Carl,
>What Brand of drives are these? Do you have documentation?
>I'll go $40.00 + shipping if you have documentation...
do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new.
also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation
for these things are idiot proof.
just some advice..
--
**********************************************************************
C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
**********************************************************************
|
7272 | From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui)
Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Lines: 16
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com
In article <1993Apr14.143750.120204@marshall.wvnet.edu> edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone
>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks!
You can go to the DMV and ask for their listing. Although I
don't know where you may actually buy a copy, you can use theirs
for your perusal. In California, the listing of personalized
license plates run 3 volumes, each about 1.5" thick. I hope this
is what you're asking for.
Ken
--
Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ
Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA
Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
|
7273 | From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca
Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Lines: 50
In article 1676@mala.bc.ca, apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:
>>
>> To adjust +/-:
>>
>> 1. First calculate a teams +/-. (Goals Scored - PP Goals Scored) -
>> (Goals allowed - PP Goals Allowed (when they were penalty killing)).
>>
>> 2. Divide this number by 5 to take into account of the fact that there
>> are 5 players on the ice and each is 1/5 responsible for the team +/-.
>>
>> 3. A players adjusted +/- is (His raw +/-) - (Team Adjustment).
>>
>> BTW If anyone could calculate and post adjusted +/- ratings it would be
>> greatly appreciated. I might find the time to do so- but don't count on
>> it.
>
>I have a database filter set up for the player stats. When it is posted for
>the end of season I'll repost the team averages. You don't need to go through
>the complicated team adjustment you are using - all you need is the team
>average by summing all the individual players' +\- and divide by the total
>number of players on the team. This will be a little distorted because the
>players who have been traded recently will have come with +\- scores based
>on their original teams. This shouldn't distort it too bad though. If you
>want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead -
>you'll require the original player stats though.
Question:
If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/-
by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally
valuable as a player who plays in all of them.
>Another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from
>the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team.
>I'll post both.
Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how
"transferable" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average
standard deviation in the league be used?
I am interested in seeing each method.
But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity.
Gregmeister
|
7274 | From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT HOLLY SILVA INFORMATION
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Lines: 19
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com
In article <1pkojmINNmuq@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:
> In a separate post over on soc.culture.usa she explicitly said that while
> she cross-posts to t.p.g and sets follow-ups to there, she does not READ
> talk.politics.guns. If you think about it, it's a clever way of keeping
> some of the politer respondents who will edit their newsgoup line, or
> properly use the follow-up: from being heard over there. It also makes it
> easier for her to claim all she ever sees is "squeaky weasels".
> So if you want her to see your insiteful analysis, e-mail it. If you
> want to point out her flaws in public, make sure your newsgroup line
> includes soc.culture.usa.
To keep from flooding s.c.u, I e-mailed it. However, I agree that it's
quite the sneaky trick. No more than I would expect, however.
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
|
7275 | From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!!
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Lines: 15
DN> From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
DN> Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant
DN> residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the
DN> weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor
DN> neurons have to work harder and so die sooner.
If this theory were true, the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy
(evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units); it doesn't.
Instead, the biopsy shows scattered, angulated, atrophic fibers.
This is more consistent with load-shedding by chronically overworked
motor neurons - the neurons survive, at the expense of increasingly
denervated muscle.
---
. SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
|
7276 | From: turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 19
From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
> a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
> in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
> made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
> doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
> What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
> can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
> 20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
> Erik velapold
Yes
!!!!
!
|
7277 | From: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)
Subject: Re: Canucks clinch, Bure to score 20 playoff goals
Reply-To: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
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In a previous article, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) says:
>
>Ron Apland (apland@mala.bc.ca) writes:
>> Quinn will resign as head coach (this is no secret) and HOPEFULLY they will
>> BRING IN someone who looks at the game spatially and institutes some team
>> disciplined play. How about Keenan? Give him what he wants, GM and Coach,
>> and have Quinn upstairs as president.
>
>I was under the impression that Rick Ley was in line for the Canucks job
>should Quinn step off the bench. Ley coached in the Canucks' organization
BRING BACK HARRY! (NEALE) At least he was witty...
--
ad215@freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)]
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7278 | From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) says:
>Well, it depends how you look at it. If you are interested I might
>find out what the latest status is in this legal battle.
>Kent
>
Please do! And if you don't want to post it here, email to me
:-) I don't know how this discussion is appreciated here. I hate
'invading' newsgroups with themes of limited interest :-)
Tony
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7279 | From: rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube)
Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching
Lines: 17
In article <C5ECnn.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes:
|> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be
|> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in
|> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots.
|> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However
|> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the
|> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format?
|> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|> Nishantha
I think you are too optimistic! PostScript is a very big language and
so the fig format can not be able to be an interpreter of ANY arbitrary
ps code. The only program I know to manipulate PostScript files is
IslandDraw.
I for myself use xfig and include the PostScript files (converted to
epsi format). Small changes then are possible (erasing some letters,
adding text and so on).
Reinhard
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7280 | From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
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In article <1993Apr15.163317.20805@cs.nott.ac.uk> eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (C.Wainwright) writes:
>In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>|> The authorities I am referring to is the authority of the world
>|> Islamic community over itself. My point was simply that Islamic
>|> law does apply to muslims wherever they are despite the fact that
>|> Islamic law may not be enforcable in non-Islamic countries.
>Muslims residing in the UK may decide to be 'tried' (or whatever) by the
>Islamic community, but their rulings have no legal consequences in these
>isles.
It's not really their _decision_ to be tried. The rulings _do_ have
legal consequences, but only in Islamic law and not in UK law (this
should be obvious). Enforcing a judgment is distinct from the making
of a judgment. Take for example the judgments of the World Court. This
is an internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often have no
physical or economic effect but which _are_ important despite the fact
that their judgments cannot be enforced
>The person may be excommunicated (or similar) but if it decided to
>mete out violent laws such as the fatwa then it would be breaking UK laws
>itself, and the persons doing such would be liable to prosecution.
Of course, have you read any of this thread before this post?
> To ignore
>the country's laws in preference to religious laws which are not indigenous
>to the country in question is an absurd and arrogant notion.
Of course, it is a sort of anarchism. Anarchism is explicitly against
Islam. Thank you for your well reasoned response, but it is beside the
points I've been making in this thread.
Gregg
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7281 | From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Lines: 13
In article <C5soDA.3L8@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:
>Ken Arromdee writes
>>>Did they not know that these men were federal officers?
>>Do you know what a "no-knock search" is?
>Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If
>the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds
>(uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty
>short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready
>for having been attacked "without warning".
Oh, bloody sorry old chap, why didn't you tell me you were a federale?
Tough luck, eh? What's that? You say you're not dead yet?
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7282 | From: emarciniak@email.bony.com
Subject: Image of pictures...
Lines: 8
Organization: ***
Hi there,
I am looking for advice on software/hardware package for making,
storing and processing of pictures. The ideal software would allow me to
cahnge size of the picture, edit it ( it means add text below, above...)
and the most important is it would have DOS command interface...
Thank you in advance...
emanuel marciniak
the bank of new york..
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7283 | From: dfr@ioc.co.uk (Doug Rabson)
Subject: VESA local bus
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: rhino.ioc.co.uk
Organization: Intelligent Office Company Ltd.
Is it possible to plug an ordinary ISA card into a VESA localbus slot?
I am running out of slots and I have one spare localbus slot.
--
Doug Rabson, IOC Ltd. | Email: dfr@ioc.co.uk
Phone: +44 81 528 9864 | drabson@cix.compulink.co.uk
Fax: +44 81 528 9878 |
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7284 | From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w)
Subject: pentium clock counts
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories
Lines: 7
Does anyone have a list of the clock counts for pentium instructions --
or know if the INTEGER mul is down to 1 tick?
Thanks, HW Stockman, hwstock@sandia.llnl.gov
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7285 | From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>
>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that
>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?
>
>Not one, but two:
>
>Obesity in Europe 88,
>proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity
>
>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987
>
Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive
behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)
Brian
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7286 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 A
Summary: Part A
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 501
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part A
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
(Part A of #008)
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| |
| "Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they |
| repeated quite frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies |
| for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the |
| struggle against the Armenians." Then they said, "Those |
| Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated |
| it very often." |
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DEPOSITION OF LYUDMILA GRIGOREVNA M.
Born 1959
Teacher
Sumgait Secondary School No. 10
Secretary of the Komsomol Organization at School No. 10
Member of the Sumgait City Komsomol Committee Office
Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15
Microdistrict No. 3
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
[Note: The events in Kafan, used as a pretext to attack Armenians in
Azerbaijan are false, as verified by independent International Human Rights
organizations - DD]
I'm thinking about the price the Sumgait Armenians paid to be living in
Armenia now. We paid for it in human casualties and crippled fates--the
price was too great! Now, after the Sumgait tragedy, we, the victims, divide
our lives into "before" and ''after." We talk like that: that was before the
war. Like the people who went through World War II and considered it a whole
epoch, a fate. No matter how many years go by, no matter how long we live,
it will never be forgotten. On the contrary, some of the moments become even
sharper: in our rage, in our sorrow, we saw everything differently, but now
. . . They say that you can see more with distance, and we can see those
inhuman events with more clarity now . . . we more acutely perceive our
losses and everything that happened.
Nineteen eighty-eight was a leap year. Everyone fears a leap year and wants it
to pass as quickly as possible. Yet we never thought that that leap year would
be such a black one for every Sumgait Armenian: those who lost someone and
those who didn't.
That second to last day of winter was ordinary for our family, although you
could already smell danger in the air. But we didn't think that the danger was
near and possible, so we didn't take any steps to save ourselves. At least, as
my parents say, at least we should have done something to save the children.
My parents themselves are not that old, 52 and 53 years. But then they thought
that they had already lived enough, and did everything they could to save us.
In our apartment the tragedy started on February 28, around five in the
afternoon. I call it a tragedy, and I repeat: it was a tragedy even though all
our family survived. When I recall how they broke down our door my skin
crawls; even now, among Armenians, among people who wish me only well, I feel
like it's all starting over again. I remember how that mob broke into our
apartment . . . My parents were standing in the hall. My father had an axe in
his hands and had immediately locked both of the doors. Our door was rarely
locked since friends and neighbors often dropped by. We're known as a
hospitable family, and we just never really thought about whether the people
who were coming to see us were Azerbaijanis, Jews, or Russians. We had friends
of many nationalities, even a Turkmen woman.
My parents were in the hall, my father with an axe. I remember him telling my
mother, "Run to the kitchen for a knife." But Mother was detached, pale, as
though she had decided to sell her life a bit dearer. To be honest I never
expected it of her, she's afraid of getting shot and afraid of the dark. A
girlfriend was at the house that day, a Russian girl, Lyuda, and Mamma said,
"No matter what happens, no matter what they do to us, you're not to come out
of the bedroom. We're going to tell them that we're alone in the apartment."
We went into the bedroom. There were four of us. Marina and the Russian girl
crawled under the bed, and we covered them up with a rug, boxes of dishes, and
Karina and I are standing there and looking at one another. The idea that
perhaps we were seeing each other for the last time flashed somewhere inside
me. I'm an emotional person and I express my emotions immediately. I wanted to
embrace her and kiss her, as though it were the last second. And maybe Karina
was thinking the same thing, but she's quite reserved. We didn't have time to
say anything to each other because we immediately heard Mamma raise a shout.
There was so much noise from the tramping of feet, from the shouting, and from
excited voices. I couldn't figure what was going on out there because the door
to the bedroom was only open a crack. But when Mamma shouted the second time
Karina ran out of the bedroom. I ran after her, I had wanted to hold her back,
but when she opened the door and ran out into the hall they saw us
immediately. The only thing I managed to do was close the door behind me, at
least so as to save Marina and her friend. The mob was shouting, all of their
eyes were shining, all red, like from insomnia. At first about 40 people burst
in, but later I was standing with my back to the door and couldn't see. They
came into the hall, into the kitchen, and dragged my father into the other
room. He didn't utter a word, he just raised the axe to hit them, but Mamma
snatched the axe from behind and said, "Tell them not to touch the children.
Tell them they can do as they want with us, but not to harm the children." She
said this to Father in Armenian.
There were Azerbaijanis from Armenia among the mob who broke in. They
understood Armenian perfectly. The local Azerbaijanis don't know Armenian,
they don't need to speak it. And one of them responded in Armenian: "You and
your children both . . . we're going to do the same thing to you and your
children that you Armenians did in Kafan. They killed our women, our girls,
our mothers, they cut their breasts off, and burned our houses . . . ," and
so on and so forth, "and we came to do the same thing to you." This whole time
some of them are destroying the house and the others are shouting at us. They
were mostly young people, under 30. At first there weren't any older people
among them. And all of their faces were unfamiliar. Sumgait is a small town,
all the same, and we know a lot of people by their faces, especially me, I'm
a teacher.
So they dragged my father into the other room. They twisted his arms and took
him in there, no they didn't take him in there, they dragged him in there,
because he was already unable to walk. They closed the door to that room all
but a crack. We couldn't see what was happening to Father, what they were
doing to him. Then a young man, about 26 years old, started to tear off
Mamma's sarafan, and Mamma shouted at him in Azerbaijani: "I'm old enough to
be your mother! What are you doing?!" He struck her. Now he's being held,
Mamma identified him. I hope he's convicted. Then they went after Karina,
who's been talking to them like a Komsomol leader, as though she were trying
to lead them down a different path, as they say, to influence their
consciousness. She told them that what they were doing was wrong, that they
mustn't do it. She said, "Come on, let's straighten this out, without
emotions. What do you want? Who are you? Why did you come here? What did we
ever do to you?" Someone tried to explain who they were and why they had come
into our home, but then the ones in the back--more of them kept coming and
coming--said, "What are you talking to, them for. You should kill them. We
came here to kill them."
They pushed Karina, struck her, and she fell down. They beat her, but she
didn't cry out. Even when they tore her clothes off, she kept repeating, "What
did we do to you? What did we do to you?" And even later, when she came to,
she said, "Mamma, what did we do to them? Why did they do that to us?"
That group was prepared, I know this because I noticed that some of them only
broke up furniture, and others only dealt with us. I remember that when they
were beating me, when they were tearing my clothes off, I felt neither pain
nor shame because my entire attention was riveted to Karina. All I could do
was watch how much they beat her and how painful it was for her, and what they
did to her. That's why I felt no pain. Later, when they carried Karina off,
they beat her savagely . . . It's really amazing that she not only lived, but
didn't lose her mind . She is very beautiful and they did everything they
could to destroy her beauty. Mostly they beat her face, with their fists,
kicking her, using anything they could find.
Mamma, Karina, and I were all in one room. And again I didn't feel any pain,
just didn't feel any, no matter how much they beat me, no matter what they
did. Then one of those creeps said that there wasn't enough room in the
apartment. They broke up the beds and the desk and moved everything into the
corners so there would be more room. Then someone suggested, "Let's take her
outside."
Those beasts were in Heaven. They did what they would do every day if they
weren't afraid of the authorities. Those were their true colors. At the time
I thought that in fact they would always behave that way if they weren't
afraid of what would happen to them.
When they carried Karina out and beat Mamma-her face was completely covered
with blood--that's when I started to feel the pain. I blacked out several
times from the pain, but each moment that I had my eyes open it was as though
I were recording it all on film. I think I'm a kind person by nature, but I'm
vengeful, especially if someone is mean to me, and I don't deserve it. I hold
a grudge a long time if someone intentionally causes me pain. And every time
I would come to and see one of those animals on top of me, I'd remember them,
and I'll remember them for the rest of my life, even though people tell me
"forget," you have to forget, you have to go on living.
At some point I remember that they stood me up and told me something, and
despite the fact that I hurt all over--I had been beaten terribly--I found
the strength in myself to interfere with their tortures. I realized that I had
to do something: resist them or just let them kill me to bring my suffering
to an end. I pushed one of them away, he was a real horse. I remember now that
he's being held, too. As though they were all waiting for it, they seized me
and took me out onto the balcony. I had long hair, and it was stuck all over
me. One of the veranda shutters to the balcony was open, and I realized that
they planned to throw me out the window, because they had already picked me up
with their hands, I was up in the air. As though for the last time I took a
really deep breath and closed my eyes, and somehow braced myself inside, I
suddenly became cold, as though my heart had sunk into my feet. And suddenly
I felt myself flying. I couldn't figure out if I was really flying or if I
just imagined it. When I came to I thought now I'm going to smash on the
ground. And when it didn't happen I opened my eyes and realized that I was
still lying on the floor. And since I didn't scream, didn't beg them at all,
they became all the more wild, like wolves. They started to trample me with
their feet. Shoes with heels on them, and iron horseshoes, like they had spe-
cially put them on. Then I lost consciousness.
I came to a couple of times and waited for death, summoned it, beseeched it.
Some people ask for good health, life, happiness, but at that moment I didn't
need any of those things. I was sure that none of us would survive, and I had
even forgotten about Marina; and if none of us was alive, it wasn't worth
living.
There was a moment when the pain was especially great. I withstood inhuman
pain, and realized that they were going to torment me for a long time to come
because I had showed myself to be so tenacious. I started to strangle myself,
and when I started to wheeze they realized that with my death I was going to
put an end to their pleasures, and they pulled my hands from my throat. The
person who injured and insulted me most painfully I remember him very well,
because he was the oldest in the group. He looked around 48. I know that he
has four children and that he considers himself an ideal father and person,
one who would never do such a thing. Something came over him then, you see,
even during the investigation he almost called me "daughter," he apologized,
although, of course, he knew that I'd never forgive him. Something like that
I can never forgive. I have never injured anyone with my behavior, with my
words, or with my deeds, I have always put myself in the other person's shoes,
but then, in a matter of hours, they trampled me entirely. I shall never
forget it.
I wanted to do myself in then, because I had nothing to lose, because no one
could protect me. My father, who tried to do something against that hoard of
beasts by himself, could do nothing and wouldn't be able to do anything.
I knew that I was even sure that he was no longer alive.
And Ira Melkumian, my acquaintance I knew her and had been to see her family a
couple of times--her brother tried to save her and couldn't, so he tried to
kill her, his very own sister. He threw an axe at her to kill her and put an
end to her suffering. When they stripped her clothes off and carried her into
the other room, her brother knew what awaited her. I don't know which one it
was, Edik or Igor. Both of them were in the room from which the axe was
thrown. But the axe hit one of the people carrying her and so they killed her
and made her death even more excruciating, maybe the most excruciating of all
the deaths of those days in Sumgait. I heard about it all from the neighbor
from the Melkumians' landing. His name is Makhaddin, he knows my family a
little. He came to see how we had gotten settled in the new apartment in Baku,
how we were feeling, and if we needed anything. He's a good person. He said,
"You should praise God that you all survived. But what I saw with my own eyes,
I, a man, who has seen so many people die, who has lived a whole life, I," he
says, "nearly lost my mind that day. I had never seen the likes of it and
think I never shall again." The door to his apartment was open and he saw
everything. One of the brothers threw the axe, because they had already taken
the father and mother out of the apartment. Igor, Edik, and Ira remained. He
saw Ira, naked, being carried into the other room in the hands of six or seven
people. He told us about it and said he would never forget it. He heard the
brothers shouting something, inarticulate from pain, rage, and the fact that
they were powerless to do anything. But all the same they tried to
do something. The guy who got hit with the axe lived. I I
After I had been unsuccessful at killing myself I saw them taking Marina and
Lyuda out of the bedroom. I was in such a state that I couldn't even
remember my sister's name. I wanted to cry "Marina!" out to her, but could
not. I looked at her and knew that it was a familiar, dear face, but couldn't
for the life of me remember what her name was and who she was. And thus
I saved her, because when they were taking her out, she, as it turns out, had
told them that she had just been visiting and that she and Lyuda were both
there by chance, that they weren't Armenians. Lyuda's a Russian, you can tell
right away, and Marina speaks Azerbaijani wonderfully and she told them that
she was an Azerbaijani. And I almost gave her away and doomed her. I'm glad
that at least Marina came out of this all in good physical health . . .
although her spirit was murdered . . .
At some point I came to and saw Igor, Igor Agayev, my acquaintance, in that
mob. He lives in the neighboring building. For some reason I remembered his
name, maybe I sensed my defense in him. I called out to him in Russian, "Igor,
help!" But he turned away and went into the bedroom. Just then they were
taking Marina and Lyuda out of the bedroom. Igor said he knew Marina and
Lyuda, that Marina in fact was Azerbaijani, and he took both of them to the
neighbors.
And the idea stole through me that maybe Igor had led them to our apartment,
something like that, but if he was my friend, he was supposed to save me.
Then they were striking me very hard--we have an Indian vase, a metal one,
they were hitting me on the back with it and I blacked out--they took me out
onto the balcony a second time to throw me out the window. They were already
sure that I was dead because I didn't react at all to the new blows. Someone
said, "She's already dead, let's throw her out." When they carried me out onto
the balcony for the second time, when I was about to die the second time, I
heard someone say in Azerbaijani: "Don't kill her, I know her, she's a
teacher." I can still hear that voice ringing in my ears, but I can't remember
whose voice it was. It wasn't Igor, because he speaks Azerbaijani with an
accent: his mother is Russian and they speak Russian at home. He speaks
Azerbaijani worse than our Marina does. I remember when they carried me in and
threw me on the bed he came up to me, that person, and I having opened my
eyes, saw and recognized that person, but immediately passed out cold. I had
been beaten so much that I didn't have the strength to remember him. I only
remember that this person was older and he had a high position. Unfortunately
I can't remember anything more.
What should I say about Igor? He didn't treat me badly. I had heard a lot
about him, that he wasn't that good a person, that he sometimes drank too
much. Once he boasted to me that he had served in Afghanistan. He knew that
women usually like bravery in a man. Especially if a man was in Afghanistan,
if he was wounded, then it's about eighty percent sure that he will be treated
very sympathetically, with respect. Later I found out that he had served in
Ufa, and was injured, but that's not in Afghanistan, of course. I found that
all out later.
Among the people who were in our apartment, my Karina also saw the Secretary
of the Party organization. I don't know his last name, his first name is
Najaf, he is an Armenian-born Azerbaijani. But later Karina wasn't so sure,
she was no longer a hundred percent sure that it was he she saw, and she
didn't want to endanger him. She said, "He was there," and a little while
later, "Maybe they beat me so much that I am confusing him with someone else.
No, it seems like it was he." I am sure it was he because when he came to see
us the first time he said one thing, and the next time he said something
entirely different. The investigators haven't summoned him yet. He came to see
us in the Khimik boarding house where we were living at the time. He brought
groceries and flowers, this was right before March 8th; he almost started
crying, he was so upset to see our condition. I don't know if he was putting
us on or not, but later, after we had told the investigator and they summoned
him to the Procuracy, he said that he had been in Baku, he wasn't in Sumgait.
The fact that he changed his testimony leads me to believe that Karina is
right, that in fact it was he who was in our apartment. I don't know how the
investigators are now treating him. At one point I wondered and asked, and was
told that he had an alibi and was not in our apartment. Couldn't he have gone
to Baku and arranged an alibi? I'm not ruling out that possibility.
Ill now return to our apartment. Mamma had come to. You could say that she
bought them off with the gold Father gave her when they were married: her
wedding band and her watch were gold. She bought her own and her husband's
lives with them. She gave the gold to a 14-year old boy. Vadim Vorobyev. A
Russian boy, he speaks Azerbaijani perfectly. He's an orphan who was raised by
his grandfather and who lives in Sumgait on Nizami Street. He goes to a
special school, one for mentally handicapped children. But I'll say this--I'm
a teacher all the same and in a matter of minutes I can form an opinion--that
boy is not at all mentally handicapped. He's healthy, he can think just fine,
and analyze, too . . . policemen should be so lucky. And he's cunning, too.
After that he went home and tore all of the pictures out of his photo album.
He beat Mamma and demanded gold, saying, "Lady, if you give us all the gold
and money in your apartment we'll let you live." And Mamma told them where
the gold was. He brought in the bag and opened it, shook out the contents, and
everyone who was in the apartment jumped on it, started knocking each other
over and taking the gold from one another. I'm surprised they didn't kill one
another right then.
Mamma was still in control of herself. She had been beaten up, her face was
black and blue from the blows, and her eyes were filled with blood, and she
ran into the other room. Father was lying there, tied up, with a gag in his
mouth and a pillow over his face. There was a broken table on top of the pil-
low. Mamma grabbed Father and he couldn't walk; like me, he was half dead,
halfway into the other world. He couldn't comprehend anything, couldn't see,
and was covered with black and blue. Mamma pulled the gag out of his mouth,
it was some sort of cloth, I think it was a slipcover from an armchair.
The bandits were still in our apartment, even in the room Mamma pulled Father
out of, led him out of, carried him out of. We had two armchairs in that room,
a small magazine table, a couch, a television, and a screen. Three people
were standing next to that screen, and into their shirts, their pants,
everywhere imaginable, they were shoving shot glasses and cups from the coffee
service--Mamma saw them out of the corner of her eye. She said, "I was afraid
to turn around, I just seized Father and started pulling him, but at the
threshold I couldn't hold him up, he fell down, and I picked him up again and
dragged him down the stairs to the neighbors'." Mamma remembered one of the
criminals, the one who had watched her with his face half-turned toward her,
out of one eye. She says, "I realized that my death would come from that
person. I looked him in the eyes and he recoiled from fear and went stealing."
Later they caught that scoundrel. Meanwhile, Mamma grabbed Father and left.
I was alone. Igor had taken Marina away, Mamma and Father were gone, Karina
was already outside, I didn't know what they were doing to her. I was left all
alone, and at that moment . . . I became someone else, do you understand? Even
though I knew that neither Mother and Father in the other room, nor Marina and
Lyuda under the bed could save me, all the same I somehow managed to hold out.
I went on fighting them, I bit someone, I remember, and I scratched another.
But when I was left alone I realized what kind of people they were, the ones
I had observed, the ones who beat Karina, what kind of people they were, the
ones who beat me, that it was all unnecessary, that I was about to die and
that all of that would die with me.
At some point I took heart when I saw the young man from the next building. I
didn't know his name, but we would greet one another when we met, we knew that
we were from the same microdistrict. When I saw him I said, "Neighbor, is that
you?" In so doing I placed myself in great danger. He realized that if I lived
I would remember him. That's when he grabbed the axe. The axe that had been
taken from my father. I automatically fell to my knees and raised my hands to
take the blow of the axe, although at the time it would have been better if he
had struck me in the head with the axe and put me out of my misery. When he
started getting ready to wind back for the blow, someone came into the room.
The newcomer had such an impact on everyone that my neighbor's axe froze in
the air. Everyone stood at attention for this guy, like soldiers in the
presence of a general. Everyone waited for his word: continue the atrocities
or not. He said, "Enough, let's go to the third entryway." In the third
entryway they killed Uncle Shurik, Aleksandr Gambarian. This confirms once
again that they had prepared in advance. Almost all of them left with him, as
they went picking up pillows, blankets, whatever they needed, whatever they
found, all the way up to worn out slippers and one boot, someone else had
already taken the other.
Four people remained in the room, soldiers who didn't obey their general. They
had to have come recently, because other faces had flashed in front of me over
those 2 to 3 hours, but I had never seen those three. One of them, Kuliyev (I
identified him later), a native of the Sisian District of Armenia, an
Azerbaijani, had moved to Azerbaijan a year before. He told me in Armenian:
"Sister, don't be afraid, I'll drive those three Azerbaijanis out of here."
That's just what he said, "those Azerbaijanis," as though he himself were not
Azerbaijani, but some other nationality, he said with such hatred, "I'll drive
them out of here now, and you put your clothes on, and find a hammer and nails
and nail the door shut, because they'll be coming back from Apartment 41."
That's when I found out that they had gone to Apartment 41. Before that, the
person in the Eskimo dogskin coat, the one who came in and whom they listened
to, the "general," said that they were going to the third entryway.
Kuliyev helped me get some clothes on, because l couldn't do it by myself.
Marina's old fur coat was lying on the floor. He threw it over my shoulders, I
was racked with shivers, and he asked where he could find nails and a hammer.
He wanted to give them to me so that when he left I could nail the door shut.
But the door was lying on the floor in the hall.
I went out onto the balcony. There were broken windows, and flowers and dirt
from flowerpots were scattered on the floor. It was impossible to find
anything. He told me, "Well, fine, I won't leave you here. Would any of the
neighbors let you in? They'll be back, they won't calm down, they know you're
alive." He told me all this in Armenian.
Then he returned to the others and said, "What are you waiting for? Leave!"
They said, "Ah, you just want to chase us out of here and do it with her
yourself. No, we want to do it to." He urged them on, but gently, not
coarsely, because he was alone against them, although they were still just
boys, not old enough to be drafted. He led them out of the room, and went
down to the third floor with them himself, and said, "Leave. What's the mat-
ter, aren't you men? Go fight with the men. What do you want of her?" And
he came back upstairs. They wanted to come up after him and he realized that
he couldn't hold them off forever. Then he asked me where he could hide me. I
told him at the neighbors' on the fourth floor, Apartment 10, we were on really
good terms with them.
We knocked on the door, and he explained in Azerbaijani. The neighbor woman
opened the door and immediately said, "I'm an Azerbaijani." He said, "I know.
Let her sit at your place a while. Don't open the door to anyone, no one knows
about this, I won't tell anyone. Let her stay at your place." She says, "Fine,
have her come in." I went in. She cried a bit and gave me some stockings, I
had gone entirely numb and was racked with nervous shudders. I burst into
tears. Even though I was wearing Marina's old fur coat, it's a short one, a
half-length, I was cold all the same. I asked, "Do you know where my family
is, what happened to them?" She says, "No, I don't know anything. I'm afraid
to go out of the apartment, now they're so wild that they don't look to see
who's Azerbaijani and who's Armenian." Kuliyev left. Ten minutes later my
neighbor says, "You know, Lyuda, I don't want to lose my life because of you,
or my son and his wife. Go stay with someone else." During the butchery in our
apartment one of the scum, a sadist, took my earring in his mouth--I had pearl
earrings on--and ripped it out, tearing the earlobe. The other earring was
still there. When I'm nervous I fix my hair constantly, and then, when I
touched my ear, I noticed that I had one earring on. I took it out and gave it
to her. She took the earring, but she led me out of the apartment.
I went out and didn't know where to go. I heard someone going upstairs. I
don't know who it was but assumed it was them. With tremendous difficulty I
end up to our apartment, I wanted to die in my own home. I go into the
apartment and hear that they are coming up to our place, to the fifth floor.
I had to do something. I went into the bedroom where Marina and Lyuda had
hidden and saw that the bed was overturned. Instead of hiding I squatted near
some broken Christmas ornaments, found an unbroken one, and started sobbing.
Then they came in. Someone said that there were still some things to take. I
think that someone pushed me under the bed. I lay on the floor, and there were
broken ornaments on it, under my head and legs. I got all cut up, but I lay
there without moving. My heart was beating so hard it seemed the whole town
could hear it. There were no lights on. Maybe that's what saved me. They were
burning matches, and toward the end they brought in a candle. They started
picking out the clothes that could still be worn. They took Father's sport
jacket and a bedspread, the end of which was under my head. They pulled on the
one end, and it felt like they were pulling my hair out. I almost cried out.
And again I realized I wasn't getting out of there alive, and I started to
strangle myself again. I took my throat in one hand, and pressed the other on
my mouth, so as not to wheeze, so that I would die and they would only find me
afterward. They were throwing the burned matches under the bed, and I got
burned, but I withstood it. Something inside of me held on, someone's hand was
protecting me to the end. I knew that I was going to die, but I didn't know
how. I knew that if I survived I would walk out of that apartment, but if
I found out that one of my family had died, I would die for sure, because I
had never been so close to death and couldn't imagine how you could go on
living without your mother or father, or without your sister. Marina, I
thought, was still alive: she went to Lyuda's place or someone is hiding her.
I tried to think that Igor wouldn't let them be killed. He served in
Afghanistan, he should protect her.
While I was strangling myself I said my good-byes to everyone. And then I
thought, how could Marina survive alone. If they killed all of us, how would
she live all by herself? There were six people in the room. They talked among
themselves and smoked. One talked about his daughter, saying that there was no
children's footwear in our apartment that he could take for his daughter.
Another said that he liked the apartment--recently we had done a really good
job fixing everything up--and that he would live there after everything was
all over. They started to argue. A third one says, "How come you get it? I
have four children, and there are three rooms here, that's just what I need.
All these years I've been living in God-awful places." Another one says,
"Neither of you gets it. We'll set fire to it and leave." Then someone said
that Azerbaijanis live right next door, the fire could move over to their
place. And they, to my good fortune, didn't set fire to the apartment, and
left.
Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they repeated quite
frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies for us, Muslim babies, let
them bear Azerbaijanis for the struggle against the Armenians." Then they
said, "Those Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated it
very often.
- - - reference for #008 - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
|
7287 | From: rts@nwu.edu (Ted Schreiber)
Subject: Opinions on recent Alfa Spiders
Nntp-Posting-Host: mac178.mech.nwu.edu
Organization: Mechanical Engineering
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Anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model Alfa Spiders ( 86-> )
Reliablilty for what their class ( I'm not talking Alfa vs. Toyota corrola
which is more relaible )
As far as I can discern, in recent years, there are 3 levels with all
basically the same mechanical aspects.
Please email any responses
Ted Schreiber
Mechanical Enginering
Northwestern University
Tel: 708.491.5386 FAX 708.491.3915 Email: rts@nwu.edu
|
7288 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical...
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1993Apr21.202728.29375@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes:
>You may not be afraid of anything but you act as if you are.
I always like your kind of odds. The Greek governments must be held
to account for the sub-human conditions of the Turkish minority living
in the Western Thrace under the brutal Greek domination. The religious
persecution, cultural oppression and economical ex-communication applied
to the Turkish population in that area are the dimensions of the human
rights abuse widespread in Greece.
"Greece's Housing Policies Worry Western Thrace Turks"
...Newly built houses belonging to members of the minority
community in Dedeagac province, had, he said, been destroyed
by Evros province public works department on Dec. 4.
Sungar added that they had received harsh treatment by the
security forces during the demolition.
"This is not the first demolition in Dedeagac province; more
than 40 houses were destroyed there between 1979-1984 and
members of that minority community were made homeless," he
continued.
"Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"
While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks
Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity
of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu.
In his 65-page confession, Salman Demirok, a former chief of PKK
operations in Hakkari confessed that high-level relations between
PKK, Greece and Greek Cypriot administration existed.
According to Demirok, Greek Cypriot administration not only
gives shelter to PKK guerillas but also supplies them with
food and weapons at the temporary camps set up in its territory.
Demirok disclosed that PKK has three safe houses in South Cyprus,
used by terrorists such as Ferhat. In the camps, he added,
terrorists were trained to use various weapons including RPG's
and anti-aircraft guns which had been purchased directly from
the Greek government. Greek Cypriot government has gone to the
extent of issuing special identification cards to PKK members so
that they can travel from one region to another without being
confronted by legal obstacles. Demirok's account was confirmed
by another PKK defector, Fatih Tan, who gave himself over to
police in Hakkari after spending four years with PKK. Tan explained
that the terrorists went through a training in camps in South Cyprus,
sometimes for a period of 12 weeks or more.
"Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"
Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis.
...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured
by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks,
and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An
official medical report clearly documented this torture....
Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen.
...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his
feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged
along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the
head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten
on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips
split open....
Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis.
Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12),
Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13).
Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police
Headquarters.
SOURCE: The British Broadcasting Corporation, Summary of
World Broadcasting -July 6, 1987: Part 4-A: The
Middle East, ME/8612/A/1.
"Abu Nidal's Advisers" Reportedly Training
"PKK & ASALA Militants" in Cyprus
Nicosia, Ankara, Tel Aviv. The Israeli secret service,
Mossad, is reported to have acquired significant
information in connection with the camps set up in the
Troodos mountains in Cyprus for the training of
militants of the PKK and ASALA {Armenian Secret Army for
the Liberation of Armenia}. According to sources close
to Mossad, about 700 Kurdish, Greek Cypriot and Armenian
militants are undergoing training in the Troodos
mountains in southern Cyprus. The same sources stated
that Abu Nidal's special advisers are giving military
training to the PKK and ASALA militants in the camps.
They added that the militants leave southern Cyprus for
Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Iran after completing
their training. Mossad has established that due to the
clashes which were taking place among the terrorist
groups based in Syria, the PKK and ASALA organisations
moved to the Greek Cypriot part of Cyprus, where they
would be more comfortable. They also transferred a
number of their camps in northern Syria to the Troodos
mountains.
Mossad revealed that the Armenian National Movement,
which is known as the MNA, has opened liaison offices in
Nicosia, Athens and Tripoli in order to meet the needs
of the camps. The offices are used to provide material
support for the Armenian camps. Meanwhile, the leader
of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine,
George Habash, is reported to have ordered his men
not to participate in the operations carried out
by the PKK & ASALA, which he described as "extreme
racist, extreme nationalist and fascist." Reliable
sources have said that Habash believed that the recent
operations carried out by the PKK militants show that
organisation to be a band of irregulars engaged in
extreme nationalist operations. They added that he
instructed his militants to sever their links with the
PKK and avoid clashing with it. It has been established
that George Habash expelled ASALA militants from his
camp after ASALA's connections with drug trafficking
were exposed.
Source: Alan Cowell, 'U.S. & Greece in Dispute on Terror,' The New
York Times, June 27, 1987, p. 4.
Special to The New York Times
ATHENS, June 26 - A dispute developed today between Athens and
Washington over United States intelligence reports saying that
Athens, for several months, conducted negotiations with the
terrorist known as Abu Nidal...
They said the contacts were verified in what were termed hard
intelligence reports.
Abu Nidal leads the Palestinian splinter group Al Fatah
Revolutionary Council, implicated in the 1985 airport
bombings at Rome and Vienna that contributed to the Reagan
Administration's decision to bomb Tripoli, Libya, last year.
In Washington, State Department officials said that when
Administration officials learned about the contacts, the
State Department drafted a strongly worded demarche. The
officials also expressed unhappiness with Greece's dealings
with ASALA, the Armenian Liberation Army, which has carried
out terrorist acts against Turks....
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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7289 | From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin)
Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Summary: Totally Unbiased Magazine
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In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
> NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993
>
> Not because you were too busy but because
> Israelists in the US media spiked it.
>
> ................
>
>
> THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS
>
>
> Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip
> during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the
> Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday.
>
> The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of
> the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for
> Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and
> occupied West Bank.
>
> Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked
> soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled,
> the soldiers threw empty bottles at them.
>
> On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their
> pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents
> are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school.
>
> The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth
> escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur
> Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them
> against a wall, and put their arms around them.
>
> When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat
> him with the butts of their rifles.
>
> On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising
> Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the
> soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the
> beating.
>
> On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded
> him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As
> the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued
> dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening.
>
> The army said it was checking the reports.
>
> ....................
>
>
> ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM
>
> Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday
> to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper.
>
> Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in
> prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after
> soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter.
>
> ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy
> Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father
> George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish.
>
> Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of
> Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank
> and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre.
>
> Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation
> of requesting permits to reach holy sites.
>
> Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement
> to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian
> celebrations.
>
> ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption.
> But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said.
>
> An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his
> identity card before ordering the crowd to leave.
>
> ...................
>
>
>
> If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and
> let him know what you think.
>
>
> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe)
> clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online)
> clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail)
>
>
> Tell 'em ARF sent ya.
>
> ..................................
>
> If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy from what is
> effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the
> Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American
> Education Trust at:
> (800) 368 5788
>
> Tell 'em arf sent you.
>
> js
>
>
>
I took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report. I
heartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following
reasons:
1. It is an excellent absorber of excrement. I use it to line
the bottom of my parakeet's cage. A negative side effect is
that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast.
2. It makes a great April Fool's joke, i.e., give it to someone
who knows nothing about the middle east and then say "April
Fools".
Anyway, I plan to call them up every month just to keep getting
those free sample magazines (you know how cheap we Jews are).
BTW, when you call them, tell 'em barf sent you.
Just Kidding,
Ben.
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7290 | From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta)
Subject: Re: Windows NT FAQ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: shelduck
Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit
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In article <C5DHtF.D7p@news.rich.bnr.ca> gal@bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne) writes:
>I really gives me pause to ask this:
>
>When I first heard of Windows-NT I was surprised by the name because
>it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a Northern Telecom
>product. Did anyone else notice that?
>
>By the way, BNR (see address below) is an R&D subsidiary of NT. See
>what I mean?
>
>| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify |
>| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra. |
>| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me. |
>| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. |
Windows NT or WNT can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet
of VMS - same as HAL and IBM. You might recall that the chief architect
of VMS is also chief designer of WNT.
Rajiev Gupta
--
Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer:
rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views,
Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies.
Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium
|
7291 | From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy)
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither
control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 35
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
>
>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
>
>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
>of ours.
>
>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
>to death 51 days later.
>
I HOPE THAT YOU ARE IN THE WAY OF THE NOBLE FEDERAL ENFORCERS and
are blown away accidently by the governments goons.
You would cheer the death to 25 childern?
This is the sort of person who served as a death camp guard.
--
Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute
Boulder, CO | for brains is silence.
rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short-
satellite N0NZO on ao-16 |
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7292 | From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Yamaha vs Honda opinions
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110
Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com
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I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583.
I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences
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7293 | From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds)
Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed)
Reply-To: deeds@vulcan1.UUCP ( Dean Deeds)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Lines: 45
In article <Afoi=te00j_jAnvopV@cs.cmu.edu> Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>GS1100E. It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful!
>I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle,
[...deleta...]
>The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a
>beginner bike.
Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in
some adman's dream. With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs,
depending on year etc.
>You're 6'4" -- you should have no problem physically managing
>it. The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6. Very firm to very
>painful, depending upon time in the saddle.
The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO.
>The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem. I have so far
>avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in
>different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards. The charging system
>consistently overcharges the battery. I have to refill it nearly weekly.
>This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing
>the seat, the tank, and the airbox.
My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery.
The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though,
tending to melt their insulation. I suspect they were underspecified;
it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air.
Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal.
After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward.
[...]
>replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive.
Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles,
I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment.
[...]
>Good luck, and be careful!
>--Dale
Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't...
-- Dean Deeds
deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com
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7294 | From: sundaram@egr.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Subject: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu
Hi,
I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers.
I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard.
What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work
under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W).
Please advise .....
Divya
--
Divya
"Live long, and then DIE a slow and horrible death ...."
- What Confucius wanted to say ....
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7295 | From: kolodzie@uni-duesseldorf.de (Stefan Kolodzie)
Subject: WINWORD and QUATTRO-PRO-Problems on a notebook
Organization: Psychologisches Institut I, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.99.100.6
Hello,
I have a 386sx25 notebook with windows 3.1 running fine. WINWORD 2.0 and
QUATTRO-PRO for windows also work fine when no virtual memory is used.
Switching on the virtual memory option these programs (probably others too)
don't work, the system crashes. The same programs work well with arbitrary
virtual memory on two other desktop PC's. What am I doing wrong?
If you can help, please mail to me directly, if possible.
Thank you very much in advance.
Stefan
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| Institute for General Psychology Duesseldorf, Germany |
| e-mail: kolodzie@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de |
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|
7296 | From: aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha)
Subject: Re: New Duo Dock info.
Organization: Cambridge Consultants Ltd., Cambridge, UK
Lines: 7
>> In article <nazario-040493023201@stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>, nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes:
>> > The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new
>> > macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own.
Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!!
Alain
|
7297 | From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Lines: 92
In article <1993Apr17.153728.12152@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu
(Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>In article <2BCF287A.25524@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu
(Tim Clock) writes:
>|
>|> "Assuming"? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in
>|> this (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never
>|> addressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is
>|> "right" or who is "wrong", only that civilians ARE being used as cover
>|> and that, having been placed "in between" the Israelis and the guerillas,
>|> they *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight.
>
>Pardon me Tim, but I do not see how it can be possible for the IDF to fail
>to detect the presence of those responsible for planting the bomb which
>killed the three IDF troops and then later know the exact number and
>whereabouts of all of them. Several villages were shelled. How could the IDF
>possibly have known that there were guerrillas in each of the targetted
>villages? You see, it was an arbitrary act of "retaliation".
>
I will again *repeat* my statement: 1) I *do not* condone these
*indiscriminate* Israeli acts (nor have I *ever*, 2) If the villagers do not know who these "guerillas" are (which you stated earlier), how do you expect the
Israelis to know? It is **very** difficult to "identify" who they are (this
*is why* the "guerillas" prefer to lose themselves in the general population
by dressing the same, acting the same, etc.).
>
>|> The "host" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks
>|> from its side of the border with Israel
>
>The problem, Tim, is that the original reason for the invasion was Palestinian
>attacks on Israel, NOT Lebanese attacks.
>
I agree; but, because Lebanon was either unwilling or unable to stop these
attacks from its territory should Israel simply sit quietly and accept its
situation? Israel asked the Lebanese government over and over to control
this "third party state" within Lebanese territory and the attacks kept
occuring. At **what point** does Israel (or ANY state) have the right to do
something ITSELF to stop such attacks? Never?
>|> >
>|> While the "major armaments" (those allowing people to wage "civil wars")
>|> have been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still
>|> remain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and "commando"
>|> raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard
>|> for human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue.
>
>Yes, I am afraid that what you say is true but that still does not justify
>occupying your neighbor's land. Israel must resolve its disputes with the
>native Palestinians if it wants peace from such attacks.
>
It is also the responsibility of *any* state to NOT ALLOW *any* outside
party to use its territory for attacks on a neighboring state. If 1) Angola
had the power, and 2) South Africa refused (or couldn't) stop anti-Angolan
guerillas based on SA soil from attacking Angola, and 3) South Africa
refused to have UN troops stationed on its territory between it and Angola,
would Angola be justified in entering SA? If not, are you saying that
Angola HAD to accept the situation, do NOTHING and absorb the attacks?
>|>
>|> Bat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks
>|> were commonplace.
>
>Not true. Lebanese were not attacking Israel in the 1970s. With a strong
>Lebanese government (free from Syrian and Israeli interference) I believe
>that the border could be adequately patrolled. The Palestinian heavy
>weapons have been siezed in past years and I do not see as significant a
>threat as once existed.
>
I refered above *at all times* to the Palestinian attacks on Israel from
Lebanese soil, NOT to Lebanese attacks on Israel.
One hopes that a Lebanese government will be strong enough to patrol its
border but there is NO reason to believe it will be any stronger. WHAT HAS
CHANGED is that the PLO was largely *driven out* of Lebanon (not by the
Lebanese, not by Syria) and THAT is by far the most important making it
EASIER to control future Palestinian attacks from Lebanese soil. That
**change** was brought about by Israeli action; the PLO would *never*
have been ejected by Lebanese, Arab state or UN actions.
>
>Please, Tim, don't fall into the trap of treating Lebanese and Palestinians
>as all part of the same group. There are too many who think all Arabs or all
>Muslims are the same. Too many times I have seen people support the bombing
>of Palestinian camps in "retaliation" for an IDF death at the hands of the
>Lebanese Resistance or the shelling of Lebanese villages in "retaliation" for
>a Palestinian attack.
>|>
I fully recognize that the Lebanese do NOT WANT to be "used" by EITHER side,
and have been (and continue to be). But the most fundamental issue is that
if a state cannot control its borders and make REAL efforts to do so, it
should expect others to do it for them. Hopefully that "other" will be
the UN but it is (as we see in its cowardice regarding Bosnia) weak.
Tim
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7298 | From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
Lines: 25
In article <22APR93.23368145.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes:
>>From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>:
>>There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this
>>respect.
>>
>>Israel allows freedom of religion.
>Avi,
> For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is
>no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion
>(i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering.
In Islam, there is no compulsion, just a tax on dhimini. In
Judaism, non-Jews are allowed to do as they wish, and there is no
effort made to convert them.
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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7299 | From: alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Alexander P. Zijdenbos)
Subject: Sunview -> X
Originator: alex@taacman
Nntp-Posting-Host: taacman
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 16
No doubt this is an old question, but I didn't find the answer in the
FAQs I could find, so - here goes:
I have a Sunview application that I want to convert to X (OpenLook,
Motiv, whatever). I remember hearing quite some time ago that there
are tools to accomplish this task.
a) is that so?
b) are they public domain?
c) any good, i.e.
d) advantages over reimplementing the interface myself?
Thanks,
-- Alex
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