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7400 | From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett)
Subject: FET-TRONS(sp?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]
Lines: 5
Has anyone ever heard of FET-TRONS (or is it FETRONS, FETTRONS, ...).
These were FET replacement modules for vacuum tubes. I'm looking for
applications where they were used.
Charlie Brett - HP Ft. Collins
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7401 | From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE)
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr20.144415.2153@ncar.ucar.edu> boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote) writes:
>In article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes:
>>
>> Environment:
>> mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX)
>> OS : SunOS 4.1.3
>> X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22)
>> Motif : 1.2.2
>>
>> I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence
>> of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion
>> to X server lost):
>
>I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that
>comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the "sunGX.uu"
>that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you
>didn't apply the one that came with Patch #7.
>
>jeff
>-
>Jeff W. Boote <boote@ncar.ucar.edu> *********************************
>Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad *
>National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. *
>Boulder * Hamlet *
> *********************************
Thanx, Jeff. You're a lifesaver. I imported the new sun GX emulator that came in
with patch #7. The problem has since disappeared.
Thanx to der (schoene) Mouse for his help too.
---
S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech
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7402 | From: dwebb@unl.edu (dale webb)
Subject: Re: THE BACK MACHINE - Update
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Lines: 15
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
I have a BACK MACHINE and have had one since January. While I have not
found it to be a panacea for my back pain, I think it has helped somewhat.
It MAINLY acts to stretch muscles in the back and prevent spasms associated
with pain. I am taking less pain medication than I was previously.
The folks at BACK TECHNOLOGIES are VERY reluctant to honor their return
policy. They extended my "warranty" period rather than allow me to return
the machine when, after the first month or so, I was not thrilled with it.
They encouraged me to continue to use it, abeit less vigourously.
Like I said, I can't say it is a cure-all, but it keeps me stretched out
and I am in less pain.
--
***********************************************************************
Dale M. Webb, DVM, PhD * 97% of the body is water. The
Veterinary Diagnostic Center * other 3% keeps you from drowning.
University of Nebraska, Lincoln *
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7403 | From: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Ed Sayre)
Subject: Orthodox List
Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 7
I recently had to move and forgot to update my address to the Orthodox
mailing list. Can anyone e-mail me the address for changes and what
exactly I have to put in caps, etc? (please send the original
subscription address also). Thanks ahead of time! -Ed.
--
Ed "Shredder" Sayre internet: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us
Unemployment Studies major
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7404 | From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu)
Subject: Is it possible ?
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 13
Hello.
Is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an
application and to restore it when the application is ended ?
If possible, please tell me how to do it !
--
===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) =====================
Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw
CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw
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7405 | From: chrisb@natinst.com (Chris Bartz)
Subject: Re: HR 1276 ("A gun law I can live with!" :-)
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Lines: 26
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com
In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com> meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
> (a) ESTABLISHMENT OF RIGHT. -- A person not pro-
> hibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm shall have
> the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use fire-
> arms in defense of self, family, or home.
So, you have the right unless the Federal Government says you don't.
I don't think I like this very much.
This would be much better if it said "everyone except those who have
been striped of this right by due process of law" or some such thing.
Also, I don't care for the Federal Government stepping on states rights
regardless of which state right is being stepped on. If the constitution
doesn't give the Feds some power then they have to just shut up about
it.
The only way the Feds should have anything to say is if the Constitution
prohibits localities from infringing on the RKBA. In which case this
bill should just reiterate that the RKBA is guaranteed by the Constitution
and that the Feds will take appropriate action if it is infringed.
--
-- chris bartz (chrisb@natinst.com)
|
7406 | From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter)
Subject: Re: ?Order of files written when exitting windows?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr22.001934.14921@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) writes:
>
>Trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk, Maxtor
>7213AT. Group files get corrupted on a regular basis.
>Only happens on this drive, D had only one corrupt file
>in over a year and it was under the control of winword on C.
>32-bit disk access and smartdrive are off. Since installation
>of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for
>murder.
Are you using Fastopen? If you are, disable it. We had a lot
of problems with fastopen corrupting weird things (including
the Windows permanent swap file) when we were using it.
>
>Since the most frequent files corrupted are the *.grp files,
>are these the last thing written to when exitting Windows?
Indeed they are. Advanced Personal Measure tells me they are accessed
just before shell.dll
>
>Also, are there any pd/shareware utilities available that do
>a more thorough job than dos 6, NDD 4.5, etc? DOS 6 and
>Win 3.1 compatable.
I really like Spinrite and QA Plus
Tom
paladin@world.std.com
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7407 | Subject: Need Help in Steroid Research
From: tthomps@eis.calstate.edu (Thomas Thompson)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 8
I am doing a term paper on steroids, actually the scientist who
helped crate the drug. I discovered that Joseph Fruton is one of the
researchers who helped create anabolic steroids. The only information on
this person I know is he was a biochemist that did research in the 1930's.
I already did research at my local libraries, but I still need more
information. My instructor is requiring resources from the computer
networks. Please write back concerning my subject, any books, articles,
etc., will be appreciated.
|
7408 | From: perrakis@embl-heidelberg.de
Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)
Organization: EMBL, European Molecular Biology Laboratory
Lines: 76
In article <93105.134708FINAID2@auvm.american.edu>, <FINAID2@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>> Look Mr. Atakan: I have repeated it in the past, and I shall repeat it once
>> more, that when it comes to how Greeks are treating the Turks in Greece,
>> you and your copatriots should simply shut up.
>>
>> Because what you are hearing is simply a form of propaganda from your ethnic
>> fellows who studied at the Greek universities without paying any money for
>> tuition, food, and helth insurance.
>>
>> And any high school graduate can put down some simple math and compare the
>> grouth of the Turkish community in Greece with the destruction of the Greek
>> minority in Turkey.
>>
>> >Aykut Atalay Atakan
>>
>> Panos Tamamidis
>
> Mr. Tamamidis:
>
> Before repling your claims, I suggest you be kind to individuals
> who are trying to make some points abouts human rights, discriminations,
> and unequal treatment of Turkish minority in GREECE.I want the World
> know how bad you treat these people. You will deny anything I say but
> It does not make any difrence because I will write things that I saw with
> my eyes.You prove yourself prejudice by saying free insurance, school
> etc. Do you Greeks only give these things to Turkish minority or
> everybody has rights to get them.Your words even discriminate
> these people. You think that you are giving big favor to these
> people by giving these thing that in reality they get nothing.
> If you do not know unhuman practices that are being conducted
> by the Government of the Greece, I suggest that you investigate
> to see the facts. Then, we can discuss about the most basic
> human rights like fredom of religion,
If you did not see with your 'eyes' freedom of religion you
must ne at least blind !
> fredom of press of Turkish
2 weeks ago I read the interview of a Turkish journalist in a GReek magazine,
he said nothing about being forbiden to have Turkish press in Greece !
> minority, ethnic cleansing of all Turks in Greece,
Give as a brake. You call athnic cleansing of apopulation when it doubles?
> freedom of
> right to have property without government intervention,
What do you mean by that ? Anyway in Greece, as in every country if you want
some property you 'inform' the goverment .
> fredom of right to vote to choose your community leaders,
Well well well. When Turkish in Area of Komotini elect 1 out of 3
represenatives of this area to GReek parliament, if not freedom what is it?
3 out of 3 ? Maybe there are only Turks living there ....
> how Greek Government encourages people to destroy
> religious places, houses, farms, schools for Turkish minority then
> forcing them to go to turkey without anything with them.
I cannot deny that actions of fanatics from both sides were reported.
A minority of Greek idiots indeed attack religious places, which
were protected by the Greek police. Photographs of Greek policemen
preventing Turks from this non brain minority were all over Greek press.
> Before I conclude my writing, let me point out how Greeks are
> treated in Turkey. We do not consider them Greek minority, instead
> we consider a part of our society. There is no difference among people in
> Turkey. We do not state that Greek minority go to Turkish universities,
> get free insurance, food, and health insurance because these are basic
> human needs and they are a part of turkish community. All big businesses
> belong to Greeks in Turkey and we are proud to have them.unlike the
> Greece which tries to destroy Turkish minority, We encourage all
> minorities in Turkey to be a part of Turkish society.
Oh NO. PLEASE DO GIVE AS A BRAKE !
Minorities in Turkish treated like that ? YOur own countrymen die
in the prisons every day bacause of their political beliefs, an this
is reported by Turks, and you want us to believe tha Turkey is the paradise
of Human rights ? Business of Greeks i Turkey? Yes 80 years ago !
You seem to be intelligent, so before presenting Turkey as the paradise of
Human rights just invastigate this matter a bit more.
>
> Aykut Atalay Atakan
>
|
7409 | From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)
Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword
Organization: Red Barn Data Center
Lines: 191
In article <sandvik-210493014635@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>In article <C5tCz8.4z9@rbdc.wsnc.org>, royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)
>wrote:
>> In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
>> >In article <sandvik-190493201048@sandvik-kent.apple.com>,
>> >sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...
>> ...
>> >>So are you happy now when 70+ people, including innocent kids,
>> >>died today?
>>
>> It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other.
>> One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself
>> against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification)
>> made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him.
>
>Frankly speaking I don't care who started this whole show. I just
>feel sad about the children that were trapped, and had to die
>for a case that didn't have any reason whatsoever. All Mr.
>Koresh could have done would have been to release these 19
>children.
COuld he? And the first three that died, when guns ablazing in came
the BATF and FBI?
I imagine I would have some trouble giving up my children to
someone who had just shot -- what -- two of them?
NB: It takes two sets of guns in a situation like this.
>
>Yes, I put the blame on Koresh and similar fanatical religious
>leaders that think more about their cause than about keeping
Fanatical: those whowill not tolerate another's way of life
Religious: Based on emotional, internal, or otherwise
lacking in commonly defined _scientific_ basis,
including legal ones, such as this old saw:
Innocent untilproven guilty
not
Innocent until presumed guilty
Who is the fanatic? Note who is dead; this usually bespeaks
a fair bit for the idea that the OTHER side also had lethal
weapons, used fatally.
They are dead: the children.
At best Koresh was an asshole and the government
criminally negligent in its hadni\ling of the case.
At worst, Koresh and his followers were
innocent
not brainwashed
guilty of illegal arms possession
(as yet unproven)
and murderedd
along with 25 children
They cannot speak for themselves
Members of the (surviving, alive, and not burned
to death) BATF/FBI can, and are
inappropriately
to the public eye
outside the bounds of their legal authorities
read the charter:
the Constitution specifies that
the COURTS convict, while the
enforcement arm INVESTIGATES,
and that the evidence involved
shuld not be disseminated in a
way to harm or injure a party
involved prior to that action;
its called slander or libel
(even where factually true butthen
distoted or disseminated with intent
to harm
for the purpose of covering their butts
because the bottom line is:
they SAID they wanted the kids to get out
alive
and theFBI, the BATF, Ms. Reno, the Prez,
and EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS
SICK
SELFSERVING
GROUP OF UPRIGHT ANIMALS
that used to be a freedom loving
peaceful country called
America: look up the name,
it might surprise you
has turned the "point the finger of blame"
on the OTHER guy.
and LET THOSE KIDS DIE.
Note well: they lived 51 days; they only
died when attacked by outside force.
SPock's World, Diane Duane:
The spear in the heart of another
is the spear in your own ....
ALL of us are responsible.
Iam; you are. The question is not whether, but how:
Guess what: you get to make up your own mind
on that.
>children out from the war zone. I'm not ashamed of this statement.
Who created the war zone? You should be ashamed of bypassing that.
It's the same damned (Literally) comment made by the folks in
the former Yugoslavia to justify Ethnic Cleansing:
"Gee, they had the guns, all they had to do was surrender".
>
>To justify other means does not eliminate the fact that children
>died for a cause that they should not have been part of.
Whose "cause" did they die for? The one where they lived,
peacibly, to all known purposes (until proven in COurt,
folks!), or the Cuase of Righteous Government SafeGuarding
The Freedom Of The CHildren
Who are now dead.
AgainI say:
I do NOT know who did what
I was NOT there.
The FBI leaders show moral SICKness trying to
convict in the press ahead of schedule
And you should look over your shoulder,
becuase if there is anything my ruminations that
actually sets onto real fact of what happened
and I do not know that; I am defending
people who ahving been burned to death cannot
speak for themselves
you may, in 22-5 years, find that the concept in our
Court system has gone from
Due Processss
to
Due Profit
and the BATF come to collect their fair share of the tax
on the value of your house if you rented it for income
which is going down now, folks.
Read Bankruptcy 1995
Its accurate in figures
and it bypasses the greedy
businessman and
mankers who have
taken profit from the corruption
of our govbernment.
Look to where the money went, folks.
You got $10 for medicare that paid a doctor for
$00.50 worth of medicine.
This is the customaryprofitmargin
to businessmen for goernment entitlements.
Who wll own the land of the cult now? Note well: it WAS nonproift,
religious, and nontaxable. Large tract of land .... hmmm.
Use your brains, folks: it happened Germany, and it can happen
here.
4.3 trillion (admitted) and counting....
>
>Kent
royc.
>---
>sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
|
7410 | From: bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz)
Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh)
Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also!
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT
> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done,
> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines
> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open
> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a
> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away
> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not
> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple
> monitor with 256 colors is used.
>
> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has
> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse.
etc.
Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations?
(that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation)
|
7411 | From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)
Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 18, 1993
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Lines: 219
New Jersey 1 0 2--3
Pittsburgh 2 3 1--6
First period
1, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 1 (Stevens, Lemieux) pp, 1:40.
2, New Jersey, Barr 1 (Guerin, Holik) 6:24.
3, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 1 (Jagr, Ramsey) 9:33.
Second period
4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 2 (Stevens, Murphy) pp, 4:11.
5, Pittsburgh, Francis 1 (Ramsey, Mullen) 12:57.
6, Pittsburgh, Tippett 1 (Jagr, McEachern) 17:13.
Third period
7, Pittsburgh, Jagr 1 (Samuelsson, Lemieux) pp, 8:35.
8, New Jersey, Stevens 1 (Niedermayer, Driver) pp, 11:48.
9, New Jersey, Stevens 2 (Semak, Niedermayer) 18:56.
Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 8-3
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Francis 1 0 1
Jagr 1 2 3
Lemieux 2 2 4
McEachern 0 1 1
Mullen 0 1 1
Murphy 0 1 1
Ramsey 0 2 2
Samuelsson 0 1 1
Stevens 0 2 2
Tippett 1 0 1
Tocchet 1 0 1
New Jersey: 3 Power play: 8-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barr 1 0 1
Driver 0 1 1
Guerin 0 1 1
Holik 0 1 1
Niedermayer 0 2 2
Semak 0 1 1
Stevens 2 0 2
-----------------------------------------
St Louis 0 2 2--4
Chicago 1 2 0--3
First period
1, Chicago, Noonan 1 (Larmer, Brown) 8:17.
Second period
2, St Louis, Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson) 3:12.
3, Chicago, Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 5:40.
4, Chicago, Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter) 8:51.
5, St Louis, Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney) 12:49.
Third period
6, St Louis, Shanahan 1 (Brown, Hull) pp, 11:12.
7, St Louis, Hull 1 (Emerson, Brown) pp, 11:29.
St Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Brown 1 2 3
Emerson 0 2 2
Felsner 1 0 1
Hull 1 1 2
Janney 0 1 1
McRae 0 1 1
Shanahan 1 1 2
Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Brown 0 1 1
Chelios 0 1 1
Larmer 0 1 1
Matteau 0 1 1
Noonan 3 0 3
Roenick 0 1 1
Sutter 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Los Angeles 1 3 2--6
Calgary 0 1 2--3
First period
1, Los Angeles, Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 0:16.
Second period
2, Calgary, Suter 1 (Fleury) sh, 2:48.
3, Los Angeles, Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor) pp, 3:13.
4, Los Angeles, Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel) 3:37.
5, Los Angeles, McSorley 1 (unassisted) 6:36.
Third period
6, Los Angeles, Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly) 1:06.
7, Calgary, Dahlquist 1 (Otto) 4:23.
8, Calgary, Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel) 8:47.
9, Los Angeles, Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) pp, 10:32.
Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Carson 2 0 2
Donnelly 0 1 1
Granato 0 1 1
Gretzky 0 1 1
Huddy 1 0 1
McSorley 1 0 1
Millen 1 0 1
Robitaille 0 1 1
Rychel 0 1 1
Sandstrom 0 2 2
Shuchuk 0 1 1
Sydor 1 1 2
Taylor 0 1 1
Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Dahlquist 1 0 1
Fleury 0 1 1
MacInnis 0 1 1
Otto 0 1 1
Reichel 0 1 1
Suter 1 0 1
Yawney 1 0 1
-----------------------------------------
First period
1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 1 (Flatley, Vaske) 5:56.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
2, Washington, Hunter 1 (Elynuik, Krygier) 3:18.
3, Washington, Hunter 2 (Khristich, Johansson) pp, 7:01.
4, Washington, Khristich 1 (Pivonka, Johansson) pp, 15:25.
Washington: 3 Power play: 5-2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Elynuik 0 1 1
Hunter 2 0 2
Johansson 0 2 2
Khristich 1 1 2
Krygier 0 1 1
Pivonka 0 1 1
NY Islanders: 1 Power play: 5-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Ferraro 1 0 1
Flatley 0 1 1
Vaske 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Buffalo 2 1 1 1--5
Boston 0 2 2 0--4
First period
1, Buffalo, Hannan 1 (unassisted) 2:32.
2, Buffalo, LaFontaine 1 (Mogilny) 9:26.
Second period
3, Boston, Juneau 1 (Neely, Oates) pp, 7:20.
4, Boston, Neely 1 (Oates, Juneau) 14:42.
5, Buffalo, Mogilny 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) 19:55.
Third period
6, Buffalo, Mogilny 2 (unassisted) 3:46.
7, Boston, Neely 2 (Juneau, Oates) 15:44.
8, Boston, Heinze 1 (Juneau) 17:00.
Overtime
9, Buffalo, Sweeney 1 (Khmylev, Smehlik) 11:03.
Buffalo: 5 Power play: 3-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Hannan 1 0 1
Hawerchuk 0 1 1
Khmylev 0 1 1
LaFontaine 1 0 1
Mogilny 2 1 3
Smehlik 0 2 2
Sweeney 1 0 1
Boston: 4 Power play: 7-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Heinze 1 0 1
Juneau 1 3 4
Neely 2 1 3
Oates 0 3 3
-----------------------------------------
Montreal 1 1 0 0--2
Quebec 0 0 2 1--3
First period
1, Montreal, Dionne 1 (Dipietro, Brunet) 5:52.
Second period
2, Montreal, Bellows 1 (Muller, Desjardins) 9:58.
Third period
3, Quebec, Rucinsky 1 (Lapointe, Sundin) pp, 18:31.
4, Quebec, Sakic 1 (Lapointe) 19:12.
Overtime
5, Quebec, Young 1 (Ricci, Duchesne) 16:49.
Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Duchesne 0 1 1
Lapointe 0 2 2
Ricci 0 1 1
Rucinsky 1 0 1
Sakic 1 0 1
Sundin 0 1 1
Young 1 0 1
Montreal: 2 Power play: 1-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Bellows 1 0 1
Brunet 0 1 1
Desjardins 0 1 1
Dionne 1 0 1
Dipietro 0 1 1
Muller 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
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7412 | From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Do people want stats?
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <10010717@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele) wri
tes:
> This is a "Top 10" posting for the AL.
>
> HOME RUNS HITS
> Batter Team HRs Batter Team HITS
> Gonzalez Tex 5 Baerga Cle 13
> Palmer Tex 4 Phillips Det 13
Did anyone think that Texas would have the top two home run leaders at a
given point in the season and neither one would be Jose Canseco?
Steve
[]
--
Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
"I personally despair of results from anything but violent and ruthless
truth-telling -- that will work in the end, even if slowly"
-- John Maynard Keynes, 1919
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7413 | From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Distribution: na
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
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In article <1qnn7b$ddc@sol.TIS.COM> mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) writes:
> When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over
>cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child
>pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the
>civilized world might transact incriminating business over "encrypting"
>cellular phones.
>
Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless
you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent
escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is
the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about
those two names)
In that case the Prince of Wales has nothing to worry about on this
system. Indeed, as pointed out, since the current systems, even the
current digital systems, are very easy to decode -- right now anybody
with an old TV can hear them -- for most people, this will be viewed
as an "oh goody" step upwards.
And look at how tolerant the public is. They're willing to let the
neighbours with the radios hear right now.
It was suggested by one person that a *lot* of non-evidentiary wiretapping
is going on right now without warrants, because anybody can do it and it's
just an ECPA violation. This would stop that. All tapping would need
a warrant, or a breach of security at the escrow houses.
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
|
7414 | From: carsona@fraser.sfu.ca (Debra Carson)
Subject: (Q) buying Advice
Keywords: Ziffnet/mac buy advice stack
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 22
Does anyone have a version of "Which Mac Do I Buy?"
that is later than v 1.3.1?
I no longer have access the ZiffNet/Mac, accessed
through CompuServe, to check for myself.
"Which Mac..." is a HyperCard stack that assists
in decision making based on budget, features, and
main software used.
Please let me know if you can help me out. Download
from CompuServe should not cost much if a higher speed
modem is used. Stack, compressed, is about 125KB?
Thanks for any help...
Dale
carsona@sfu.ca
.
|
7415 | From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.
Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division
Lines: 50
In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
> |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> |> >
> |> Deletions...
> |> Er, Jon, what Ken said was:
> |>
> |> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately,
> |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |> most Jews did not survive.
> |>
> |> That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi.
>
> Hitler and the Nazis didn't spring fully formed from the forehead
> of Athena. They didn't invent anti-semitism. They built on a
> foundation of anti-semitism that was already present in Germany.
> This foundation of anti-semitism was laid down, not by the Nazis,
> but by the people I listed, and also by hundreds of years of unthinking,
> knee-jerk bigotry, on the part of perfectly ordinary people, and, of
> course, their pastors and priests.
>
> What we have to worry about today is not whether some Hollywood
> Hitler in a black uniform is going to come striding onto the German
> stage in one unprepared step, but whether those same bedrock foundations
> of anti-semitism are being laid down, little by little, in Germany,
> as we speak.
>
> And if so, they will be laid down, not by Hitlers and Himmlers, who
> will come later, but by "people like" the poster in question. The
> people who think that casual anti-semitism is acceptable, or even fun.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
Deletions...
> I did. Now may I suggest, with the greatest possible respect, that
> you go read some history?
>
> jon.
So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? Perhaps you
imply that anyone in Germany who doesn't agree with israely policy in a
nazi? Pray tell, how does it even qualify as "casual anti-semitism"?
If the term doesn't apply, why then bring it up?
Your own bigotry is shining through.
--
DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com
|
7416 | From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 17
: In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
: >I just got to thinking: why don't manufacturers still make bikes with
turbos?
: > etc ....
Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable
and less controllable bike.
As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica
Ducati.
--
David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."
|
7417 | From: jdresser@altair.tymnet.com (Jay Dresser)
Subject: HELP! with Olivetti floppy
Lines: 13
Nntp-Posting-Host: altair
We are trying to connect an Olivetti XM4311 5" floppy drive as the second
drive on a Panasonic 286 machine. It seems to sort of talk to it (gets it
spinning and stepping) but gives a "Disk not ready" error.
There are two jumpers (which seem to work best open), a 3 position DIP
switch, and a 8 position DIP switch. We don't know how to set the DIP
switches and think that may be the problem.
Any information, or advice (other than "junk the stupid thing" :) would be
most appreciated, thanks. (email reply preferred).
jdresser@tymnet.com
|
7418 | From: khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM (Kelly Chang)
Subject: Mac II SCSI & PMMU socket question
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
Reply-To: khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marantz.corp.sun.com
===== This is a posting for my friend who does not have USENET access ========
===== Please contact him (not me) directly, thank you ========================
1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could
anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained
a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto
my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to
install it.
2. Could anyone send me the pinouts for the Mac II SCSI DB-25 interface?
Thank you.
Contact: David Chan, bzone@attmail.com
|
7419 | From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Subject: Daily Verse
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
Lines: 4
How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather
than silver!
Proverbs 16:16
|
7420 | From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
Subject: The Most Average Player in the NHL
Organization: Cadkey, Inc.
Lines: 41
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
And now, I interrupt your regularly scheduled news reading to bring you
another message sponsored by the Department of Really Mundane Statistics:
I passed the final individual player stats posted here the other day through
a filter to average out games, goals, assists, points, and penalty minutes
for the mythical average NHL pro who played in the league this season. (Why?
Because it's Monday and I didn't feel like writing any REAL code...)
Anyway, after I wiped out the 60-odd goalies in the list, I came up with:
NHL average: 55 GP 11 G 19 A 30 Pts 69 PIM
Then I passed the list through a second time to come up with the players who
had the smallest percentage difference in each of the categories.
Marty McInnis (NYI) 56 GP (1%) 10 G (9%) 20 A (5%) 30 Pts (0%) 24 PIM (65%)
Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (0%) 10 G (9%) 17 A (10%) 27 Pts (9%) 27 PIM (53%)
These two are close in games, goals, assists, and points, but are too far off
in PIM. This leaves, as the most average player in the NHL:
Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (18%) 11 G (0%) 17 A (10%) 28 Pts (6%) 63 PIM (8%)
What an honor.
I also passed the list through with the goalies still included. Kravchuk and
Carpenter were still in the top three, but Rob DiMaio came flying up from
behind to take the title:
NHL average: 53 GP 10 G 17 A 27 Pts 64 PIM
Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (3%) 10 G (0%) 17 A (0%) 27 Pts (0%) 27 PIM (50%)
Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (22%) 11 G (10%) 17 A (0%) 28 Pts (3%) 63 PIM (1%)
Rob DiMaio (TB) 54 GP (1%) 9 G (9%) 15 A (11%) 24 Pts (11%) 62 PIM (3%)
It's all really kind of underwhelming when you think about it.
-SG
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
|
7421 | From: kesslerm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL KESSLER)
Subject: Box Scores
Lines: 8
Organization: Dakota State University
Lines: 8
I was wondering if anyone types in the box scores each day.
I am at college and am not able to get them till the weekend.
I would be thankful if someone could p-mail the Twins box scores every so
often.
Also I am looking for a Twins 93 schedule.
kesslerm@columbia.dsu.edu
|
7422 | From: zstewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart)
Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither
control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 13
>The father of a friend of mine is a police officer in West Virginia. Not
>only is his word as a skilled observer good in court, but his skill as an
>observer has been tested to be more accurate than the radar gun in some
>cases . . .. No foolin! He can guess a car's speed to within 2-3mph just
>by watching it blow by - whether he's standing still or moving too! (Yes,
1) How was this testing done, and how many times? (Calibrated speedometer?)
2) It's not the "some cases" that worry me, it's the "other cases" :-)
(eg: suboptimal viewing conditions; even the best subjective viewer can only
partial compensate for certain distortions and optical illusions).
|
7423 | From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
Originator: jmcocker@c00053-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 29
In article <FOX.93Apr22002043@graphics.nyu.edu>, fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
|>
|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
|> Just curious.
|>
|>I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the
|>split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us
|>who are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news
|>groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem
|>with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time
|>on this as it is.
|>
Yes, but... shouldn't size of newsgroup be an issue? Sorry if this
has been covered before, but comp.grahpics.animation get how much
traffic per day? 50 articles? Maybe 70 on an extremely heavy day?
I've been following this group for about four months now, and I don't
recall ever seeing such a flood of posts that a split would be warranted.
Just my 2 cents,
Mitch------------------------------------>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu
"Who doth render with 386sx-20 knoweth frustration."
|
7424 | From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone)
Subject: Re: 17" Monitors
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu
In-reply-to: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com's message of 20 Apr 93 15:56:06 GMT
In article <C5sHLJ.ErE@trc.amoco.com> zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) writes:
Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim
1280x1024 at 76Hz. How does it compare with the T560i in terms of
price, and quality of display?
I'm interested in the new ViewSonic 17 as well. Has anyone seen one
of these monitors in the flesh?
- Tony
|
7425 | From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.rist, another dealer service scam...
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Lines: 25
In article <1qk5m9$pbe@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>
>>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
>>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
>>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
>>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
>>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
>>Works for me, I must say.
>>
>
>I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons. I was wondering
>how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear
>that somebody might steal my air-filter.
Oh come on, Silly, all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and
put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole. What do you
think all those big air intake things are for on those hot-rod cars?
They're just for looks only...little does anyone know, they provide
access to the oil-fill hole.
Well, over where we live, we have problems with vandals stealing
people's wheels. Those locking nuts didn't stop them. So to be
safe and sure, I welded the lug nuts to my wheels together. It
works, serious! I haven't had my wheels stolen yet!
.
|
7426 | From: cow@eng.umd.edu (Thomas L. Fortin)
Subject: 1992 honda accord
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu
1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE
35,000 MILES
ALL HIGHWAY MILES
EXCELLENT CONDITION
WHITE
EX MODEL "LOADED"
$15,000 OR BEST OFFER
call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h
(201) 795-5636 w
|
7427 | From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen)
Subject: 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same?
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Lines: 15
Are 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same magazine (name change in recent
years)?
If not: Could someone post the address to 'Moody Monthly'?
:)avid
--
__________________ ___________________________________________________
| David A. Sjoen |"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they |
| Gulaksveien 4 | follow me; and I give them life eternal; and they |
| N-4017 STAVANGER | shall never perish, and no one shall seize them |
| Norway | out of my hand." John 10:27-29 |
`------------------'---------------------------------------------------'
E-MAIL: david-s@hsr.no (Rogaland University Centre, Norway)
|
7428 | From: sean@sdg.dra.com
Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO
Lines: 22
In article <he1pb02@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
> In article <strnlghtC5toC6.KIu@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>> Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop
>> forecasts from leaking prematurely.
>
> Sheesh! Remember the big scandal a year or two (or 3?) ago about
> exactly such leaks?
My choice for the escow house would be the Smithsonian, and someplace on
the west coast. My biggest concern isn't that the escrow house could
be compromised (it will be), but the fact it has been compromised will
be kept secret.
The keys could be kept under glass, with 24-hour C-SPAN coverage. If you
thought your key had been stolen just turn on the cable, and wait until
the roving camera reachs the musuem case with your key. Or if you think the
C-SPAN satellite has been compromised, take a tour of the Smithsonian
yourself, and view the seal on your key.
--
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
|
7429 | From: jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Qu
Reply-To: jkaidor@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA
Lines: 31
Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.synoptics.com
Just a few comments about the feasability of zipping up a bunch of miles
on your electronic odometer with an oscillator....
I wouldn't expect to be able to do this. Not because the engineers at BMW are
putting in anti-fraud logic, but just because an automobile is a noisy, hostile
environment for electronics, and I would expect the software to be conservative.
If I were to design a microprocessor-based odometer/speedometer program,
it would have the following features ( just off the top of my head ):
* Debouncing/deglitching ( Is this a real pulse, or just a glitch? )
* Smoothing: The rate-of-change of speed cannot be too high:
This is a car, not an electron.
* Top speed limit: Anything above 200MPH is ridiculous: must be
electrical noise or contact bounce
As for getting in and presetting the pins: if this is the circuit board out of
a BMW dashboard, I seem to remember a single big chip with lotsa pins in the
middle of the card. Good luck getting at the counter :-).
I wouldn't expect a high input frequency to damage the meter: remember, it's
probably damped so it can't move too fast, and is probably protected. After all,
a car is an extremely hostile place for delicate electronics; there used to be an
app note in the National Semiconductor Linear Databook that went into this
in good detail.
- Jerry Kaidor ( tr2!jerry@dragoman.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com )
- Jerry Kaidor
|
7430 | From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: Go Hizbollah II!
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: traver.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that
|> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's
|> holding to the security zone.
|>
|> Noam
I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point
and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians.
Basil
|
7431 | From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Lines: 37
vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
> I just thought I'd share some words that I received in a letter
> from Moody Bible Institute a couple of months ago. The words are by
> James M. Stowell, the president of MBI.
>
> "The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing.
> It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing evangelical
> Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we are the only ones
> who know what the absolutes are.
>
> "He missed the point.
No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point.
> "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
> of those absolutes."
Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes.
I don't see how that necessarily follows.
Are all truths also absolutes?
Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?
If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can
explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and
which truths are absolutes. And, who is qualified to make these
determinations? There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical
Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding
Biblical interpretation.
I find Mr. Stowell's statement terribly simple-minded.
Carol Alvin
caralv@auto-trol.com
|
7432 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: More comics for sale!
Lines: 48
Miscellaneous comics for sale. I really would like
to get rid of these for lack of space. Buyer pays
shipping, and all offers considered. OH, and the
first purchase over $20 in any of my posts
gets a free Maxx #1/2 coupon, or a trashed copy
of Amazing spidey #300. Here goes...
Deathlok #1 $3.00
2-17 $1.75 each
Annual #1 2.50
Special #1 2.00
Sleepwalker 1,2,6,8,9,13 7.00 (set) or 1.25
each
Next Men #1 $3.00
Ray #1 1.00
Deathstroke 5,6 1.75 each
Darkhawk 13 1.25
New warrior's 18 1.00
Fantasti Four 358 2.50
Moon Knight 35,36 1.75 each
Hulk 386-388 1.50 each
Punisher W.Z. 1 2.50
Cage 1 1.50
X-force 1 2.00
Silver Sable 1 2.00
X-calibur 26,27,48,49 1.50 each
Hearts of Darkness 5.00
Infinity Guantlet 1-4 2.50 each
Batman v. Pred. 1,3 2.00 each
" " " (deluxe) 1 5.00
Guardians of the
Galaxy 1 3.00
Spider-man 2099 1-3 5.00 (set)
Spec. spider-man 189 3.00 (special hologram)
Let me know if you'd like to buy anything. My
address is U38134@uicvm.uic.edu
Thanks,
Noel Lorenzana
|
7433 | From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Lines: 67
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com
In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
|>
|> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
|> Subject: Ten questions about Israel
|>
|>
|> Ten questions to Israelis
|> -------------------------
|>
|> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to
|> provide
|> accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are
|> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by
|> people around me.
I lived there until July 1992 so I think that on the whole,
my input is relevant.
|> 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize
|> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens
|> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as
|> Israelis ?
Those are two separate questions. Obviously, Israeli authorities do
recognize Israeli nationality for some purposes, e.g. passports,
consular services, etc... ID cards have a field of nationality
which is a subdivision of the above. Ostensibly, this field
is provided for sevices provided by the religious departments
of the gov't, though this is not the general case.
|> 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders
|> and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to
|> state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be
|> ?
From its onset, Israel's borders have been shaped and reshaped by both
war and peace. As such, the Israeli gov't has always felt that defining
its borders is a step that is meaningful only after peace treaties have
been conluded with its neighbors. There is no plan for "ultimate borders"
(is this a game like "ultimate frisbee"?) extending into other countries.
|> 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,
|> could you provide any evidence ?
Aside from what Vaanunu provided, no.
|> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of
|> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their
|> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are
|> state secrets ?
If that is true, then by virtue of the question's subject, it is
unanswerable. Anyone who claims its validity. is claiming an oxymoron.
That having been said, I deny the above.
You go on to ask quite a number of questions that show an obvious
bias. Questions of the sort "Is it true that you entered your
mother's vagina?" which are based upon some kernel of truth, though
phrased in a way as to render them repugnant and cast aspersions
upon Israel. Incidentally, the answer to the above is usually yes,
unless you were born via a C-section.
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
|
7434 | From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Vlad's Playoff Picks
Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Lines: 156
In article <vzhivov.734637613@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
Wales Conference, Adams Division, Semifinal
>Boston vs. Buffalo:
>The Bruins are playing some excellent hockey, and with Cam Neely back
>and Moog his old self again this should be a cake-walk. BRUINS IN 5.
I'm hoping for a Fuhr miracle, but I agree that Boston will likely win the
series. Goaltending is about equal, top offensive players are about equal
(Mogilny-LaFontaine vs. Oates-Juneau), but Buffalo has no answer to Neely
(not to imply that Neely is not a top offensive player btw, in fact he's one
of my favourites even though he's a damn Bruin :) ). And the rest of the
matchup wrt lineup favours Boston anyway. But I think it will go six.
>Quebec vs. Montreal:
>This one is very tough to call. Montreal certainly has the experience
>factor, but Quebec is more talented IMHO. It'll come down to the
>goalies. I'll go with experience and Roy. CANADIENS IN 7.
Agreed here...but Montreal will be pushed to the limit. Is it just me, or
does everything Montreal does in the playoffs come down to Roy? Go Habs!!
Final
>Boston vs. Montreal:
>Will Bruin domination continue in this rivalry? Yes. Moog has
>consistently outperformed Roy in the playoffs (after 1986)..[other stuff]
> Bruins in five.
I can't predict a Montreal victory because I've been watching them play for
6 weeks and IMO they severly need some tougher players, especially to play
in the Garden. Last time they beat the B's 5-2 but Boston had a clear
territorial advantage; the victory was Roy's. At the same time, I can't
bring myself to predict the possibility of a loss, so I'll just say I will
not be putting money on this series. :-)
>Patrick Division, semifinal
>Pittsburgh vs. NY Islanders:
>What can I say? The Pens are flying high and have the most talent in
>the league.
Agreed. NY doesn't have the goaltending to stop the onslaught, independent
of the trouble they have given Pittsburgh this year. Pens in five, which is
credit to NY.
>Washington vs. New Jersey:
>CAPITALS IN 5.
Agreed here too, but I think it will go at least six. Jersey has a decent
team, and Washington has done poorly against the division this year.
>Pittsburgh vs. Washington:
>If the Caps had Bill Ranford I might see an upset, but Don Beaupre
>just doesn't inspire my hopes. PENGUINS IN 6.
I think they will use Tabaracci more after Beaupre gets shelled. I don't
think it will go six either...*maybe* five.
>CONFERENCE FINAL:
>Pittsburgh vs. Boston:
>A replay of last year. The Penguins are just as good as 12 months ago,
>and the Bruins are much improved. But... PENGUINS IN 6.
If Pittsburgh plays Boston, IMO they win in likely five, possibly six. They
own the Bruins. If they play Montreal, I think it will go to seven, and once
again I won't be putting money on the seventh game. I say seven because the
Habs have played Pittsburgh very tough this season.
>Campbell Conference, Norris Division, semifinal
>Chicago vs. St. Louis (or Minnesota):
> BLACKHAWKS IN 5.
Chicago will win, but I think in at least six. Chicago is not that good,
IMO. And remember that they take ridiculous numbers of penalties.
>Detroit vs. Toronto:
>The Leafs have had an excellent season, but they've been playing
>playoff hockey all year - the Habs under Burns were the same way and
>always wilted in the playoffs. RED WINGS IN 5.
Very true. The Leafs have much to be proud of, but they will soon find out
why Montreal did so lousy in the playoffs. Toronto might win two or three
at MLG though. Wings in six, maybe even seven.
>FINAL:
>Chicago vs. Detroit:
> This will be a war. Fedorov will win it in OT. RED WINGS IN 7.
It _will_ be a war...possibly the most intense playoff series of them all.
And yes, I think Detroit will win. Probert will have to come up big though.
>Smythe Division SEMI-FINALS:
>Vancouver vs. Winnipeg:
> CANUCKS IN 7.
Our first disagreement. Canucks are playing like shit. They don't use their
size *at* *all*, which may explain why they get hammered 8-1 by a team
chasing them (Calgary)....Winnipeg in six.
>Calgary vs. Los Angeles:
>This would have been tough to call, except for three things. 1/ The
>Kings don't have a goalie; 2/ Gary Roberts will be back; 3/ the Kings
>shot themselves in the foot by trading a proven winner (Paul Coffey)
>for a proven loser (Jimmy Carson). Gretzky is just too weary to carry
>this group. FLAMES IN 5.
This is also tough for me to call, because I haven't seen the Smythe enough.
I don't think Roberts will be well enough to figure in, Coffey is a
non-issue, who cares what Carson has done before, and *never* underestimate
Gretzky. LA in six.
>FINAL:
>Vancouver vs. Calgary:
> FLAMES IN 6.
If it is these two, Calgary will not need six games. But I think it will be
LA-Winnipeg anyway, and LA in seven, because of home ice.
>COFERENCE FINAL:
>Detroit vs. Calgary:
> RED WINGS IN 7.
Wow, must've been tough to go against your team. But let's see, I picked
LA-Detroit. Detroit will win, probably in six.
>STANLEY CUP FINAL:
>Pittsburgh vs. Detroit:
>Three in a row and official 'dynasty' status for the Pens? Or can the
>Wings complete a dream season? Well, the Wings are better in goal (not
>sufficiently so though IMHO) and have better D-men. However, Mario and
>the boys can sure score. Look for Jagr to shine in the playoffs,
>though I sure would love to see Probert beat some sense into him. The
>Pens are just too much, especially since Detroit will have a tougher
>battle to get here. PENGUINS IN 5.
If Pittsburgh plays Detroit, it will go longer than five, and I wouldn't bet
against the Wings. They are very strong, IMO, and nobody knows *how* strong
because they've been underachieving most of the year. If forced to choose,
though, I'd have to take the Penguins.
A side note. Vlad, last week you said that Selanne was a better player than
Gilmour. NO WAY. He is a more talented pure goal scorer...but aside from
the age difference, there is no way I would take him over Gilmour on my team.
I'm not asking for flames, either, btw....I've spent more than enough time
arguing on behalf of Selanne and I still say he's a great player. But while
he and Gilmour are both dangerous offensively (give Teemu an edge),
Gilmour *does* *it* *all*. I know a lot of Gilmour-bashing goes on, esp.
from Flame fans. But IMO you guys are letting your dislike of Gilmour cloud
your judgement when it comes to his skill. He is easily one of the best
all-round players in the NHL.
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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7435 | From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Dumb options list
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Lines: 16
The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you
get on a car that has no earthly use?
1) Power windows
Add as you wish...
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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7436 | From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 24
cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
>
> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have
the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average
dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find
accesssories for.
-Craig.
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>==/ \==> hats of great majesty, yea, though they be made of cardboard and
/____\ have humourous arrows through them. (Red Dwarf)
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7437 | From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)
Subject: Re: ATM
Lines: 15
Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu
Organization: UNLV
>>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned
>>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these
>>better printer technologies ... and TT?
>
>There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you
>have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is
>a waste of system resources.
>
-----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use
Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting
TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in
the first place.
Lamont Downs
downs@nevada.edu
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7438 | From: turner@reed.edu (Havok impersonated)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.170752.6312
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Lines: 35
In article <1qlgdrINN79b@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes:
>=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One
>=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know
>=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized
>=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that,
>=however, because that's not written in their little rule book.
>Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is
>reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock
>in other people.
Hmmm. The last time I got stung by a bee I experienced the same reaction
the first poster's brother did. We went off to the doctor to see if I
should worry about the fact that my foot was now about 3 times it's normal
size. (And itched!!! Ow!) He basically said I shouldn't this time, but
that bee sting allergy was not something you tended to get aclimatized to,
but were something that each time got progressively worse generally and that
next time could be the time I go into anaphylactic shock. Admittedly this
was many years ago when I was young. Since then I just make sure I don't
get stung. I also should carry a bee sting kit with me, but I don't.
This isn't scientific or proof, but this would lead me to believe it's not a
different reaction, just a different degree of reaction. Allergies work
that way. People have various reactions. Sort of like diabetes, some
people can get by with just monitoring their diet, others have to monitor
their diet and use insulin sometimes while others have to watch their diet
like a hawk and use insulin regularly.
I think MSG is probably similar...some people have allergic reactions to
it. Some people are allergic to fermented things and can't use soy
sauce...but the chinese have been using it for centuries... that doesn't
necessarily mean that it's safe for everyone.
Johanna
turner@reed.edu
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7439 | From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: (None set)
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk
==============================================================================
Bear with me i'm new at this game, but could anyone explain exactly what DMORF
does, does it simply fade one bitmap into another or does it re shape one bitma
p into another. Please excuse my ignorance, i' not even sure if i've posted thi
s message correctly.
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7440 | From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: NONE
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
|> >
|>
|> Ermenistan kasiniyor...
|>
|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets
|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy.
|>
|> Esin.
Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;
ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE
WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS
tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of
CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED.
|
7441 | From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith)
Subject: WEIRD SCIENCE -- by L. Neil Smith
Distribution: usa
Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523
Lines: 116
Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith
WEIRD SCIENCE
Everyone knows how to tell when a politician is lying: his lips
move. What may not be equally obvious is that there are
politicians and then there are politicians -- and that the phrase
"political science" is subject to more than one interpretation.
Years ago, we heard how "scientists" were worried that a new Ice
Age might be coming, and later on that "nuclear winter" -- smoke
and dust thrown into the atmosphere by full-scale international
unpleasantness -- was a possibility. Something like that may even
have killed the dinosaurs.
What we didn't hear was that no actual data supported any of this,
that real-world events (the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields) tended
to discredit it, that mostly it was propaganda meant to weaken
values that made America the most successful culture in history,
and that the dinosaurs probably died of something like the Plague
when continents drifted together, exposing them to new germs.
We miss a lot like this, unless we listen closely. Prince William
Sound, site of the famous oil spill, and Mount St. Helen's weren't
supposed to recover from their respective disasters for at least
100 years. That turned out not to be true, although you'd never
know it from watching network nightly news or CNN. It doesn't fit
their agenda to inform us that the earth is vast and resilient, and
that nature is rougher on herself than we could ever be.
But for once, the media aren't entirely to blame. As ignorant of
science as they are of everything, they trust "scientists" to
unscrew the inscrutable. The trouble is that today's "scientists"
have agendas of their own.
Nobody in government, that wellspring of scientific wherewithal, is
going to offer grants to an investigator who states truthfully that
there is no respectable evidence for "global warming". The money
and power for bureaucrats and politicians lie in mass transit, and
they hate the automobile -- blamed as a major cause of the mythical
crisis -- as a source of privacy and freedom they find intolerable.
The same appears true of "acid rain", a deliberate hoax cooked up
by the Environmental Protection Agency (which hates private
industrial capitalism almost as much as it does your car) and
foisted on real scientists through trickery which has depended on
specialists in different fields not talking to each other much.
The list goes on, always with a common, disreputable thread.
"Ozone depletion", for which evidence is even more suspect and
contradictory than for acid rain or global warming, is no more than
a last, desperate attempt to indict private capitalism in an era
when state central planning and the command economy have failed and
can only find this final, withered leg to teeter on.
Decades of anti-nuclear alarmism, resting on foundations of myth
and panic-mongering, have failed to erase the fact that nuclear
power is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of energy
known to mankind -- and more to the point, that the greater amount
of energy there is available to any individual in society, the
freer that individual -- and his society -- become.
Honest studies on the effects of individual gun ownership and
self-defense on crime -- conducted by investigators who began as
ideological opponents to those concepts, but which show massive
reductions in the latter to be the result of the former -- have
been suppressed, most recently by the California state government.
And what the media didn't say about recent EPA "discoveries" on the
effect of "secondhand smoking" is that, although some harm to non-
smokers may have been detected, it was less (by an order or two of
magnitude) than that associated with frying bacon a couple times a
week or keeping a pet bird. It's enough to make you wonder whether
there was ever anything to the claim that smoking causes cancer.
That, of course, is the real threat represented by politically
correct science. The world is a dangerous place. It would be nice
to know the hazards. I've never believed smoking to be a healthy
practice, but, given a lack of credibility on the part of today's
science, how am I to decide what to do about it? Nicotine is
highly addictive, to that much I can attest from experience. Yet
the stress of quitting may be riskier than to continue. There
isn't any way to tell, thanks to the corrupting influence of
government money on the scientific establishment.
Two centuries ago, the Founding Fathers spared us certain agonies
to which every other nation in the world has been subject at one
time or another, by creating a legal barrier between politics and
religion. Each time some short-sighted individual or group has
tried to lower the barrier (most recently over the issue of
abortion), blood -- real human blood, hot and smoking in the street
-- has wound up being shed.
Real human blood is being shed over scientific issues, as people's
lives are ruined through the loss, to agencies like the EPA, of
livelihood, or property it may have taken a lifetime to accumulate,
to diseases caused by toxins associated with burning fossil fuels
for electrical power, or thanks to bans on things like cyclamates,
when they die from the effects of obesity.
What we need now, if we hope to survive as a civilization for two
more centuries, is another barrier, a Constitutional separation of
state and science -- including medicine. Knowledge is valuable;
real science won't languish for lack of funding. The money will
simply come from contributors unwilling to pay for lies, and
everyone will benefit.
L. Neil Smith
Author: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN,
and (forthcoming) PALLAS
LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4
Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
NRA Life Member
My opinions are, of course, my own.
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7442 | From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)
Subject: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 26
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
Buck Showalter just can't win.
Bob Wickman's pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks
lead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete
game. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score,
and all of a sudden it's 6-5, and Wickman just can't get the third out.
So Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces.
Last night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his
life (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks
lead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, "I don't want a repeat of that
near-fiasco with Wickman, so I'll give my bullpen some work." Steve Howe,
whose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn't
do too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the
Royals win it, 6-5.
What's going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that
the bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together,
Monteleone's done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What's the
deal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our
bullpen turns to shit!
What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen?
-Alan
|
7443 | From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr17.085358.18460@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>"Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of
>cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must
>have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his
>house..."
What they would need to do, though, is make sure that nobody has
access to decent crypto in the first place. They probably can't
tell Clippered voice from Clippered triple-DESed voice until they
get their copy of your key. Any criminal who's going to use
encryption will do it under cover of Clipper. The only way to avoid
this will be to try to prohibit strong encryption.
I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use
of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical
properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then
detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase
the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would
be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice.
You can tell if the NSA built this feature in: blow on the mike, and
observe whether a band of thugs comes through your ceiling.
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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7444 | From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering
Article-I.D.: csdvax.1993Apr15.001813.3907
Organization: University of New South Wales
Lines: 29
Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
tangible "thunk". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage.
My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such
that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the
lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a "bank-follower", or a
little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a
100%-banked turn. The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7
mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg. Now for the
mystery.
The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent. I'm
fairly sure it was there before the event. There was no damage to the end of
the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been. In fact, the thread in
the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.
Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you
rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo
that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly
changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid
? I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened. In the meantime, life
goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower.
Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper
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7445 | Subject: PACE MODEM
From: mora@verdi.cineca.it (Stefano Mora)
Distribution: world
Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi.eng.unipr.it
Lines: 19
Hi,
I've got a PACE MODEM , Series Four 2400s ( made in England by
PACE Micro Technology ) with a broken power supply .
So I'd like to know :
- the voltage and current values of the original
power supply PS1001.
- the pinout of the power supply connector.
- the pinout of the USER PORT and how to use it.
Many thanks in advance to all the people help me.
Please post the reply also to my e-mail..........
+--------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Sender: Stefano Mora |
| eMail : mora@verdi.eng.unipr.it |
| |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|
7446 | From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...
Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Keywords: printer
Lines: 25
In <~c$@byu.edu> ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:
>>The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I
>>mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares.
>>
>>The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not
>>had any problems with it.
>I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago. I compared it to the
>sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me. The
>BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality. I can compare it
>with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical (
>depending on the kind of paper). I don't have problems with the ink not
>being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast. Probably within a second. Since
>Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy.
How much is the BJ going for? I got mine for $300 which was in the
end the deciding factor for me.
--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore
Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet
UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716
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7447 | From: pamuelle@ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: Used BMW Question ..... ???
Organization: Intergraph
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr12.230031.160616@ua1ix.ua.edu> rpaturi@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Ravi) writes:
>
>Hi,
>I am dying to get the answer for the pricing polocy of a dealer
>here in San Jose, California (I moved to caal from AL)
You moved from Alabama to California? My sympathies.
>Year Model Description Milage Price
>1991 318 Black, "Looks" good 46K 10.6K
> 5sp manual, AC,
> Cassette, Sun roof
>
>1989 318 White same as aboove 50K 9.6K
>
Make sure that they have all maintenance records. Oil should be changed
every 3 months. The mileage on the cars is fine.
Be sure that these have the 16 valve engine. The 8 valve 318 is a
BMW in name only.
Didn't you have a line on a '89 325i for 12K? Jump on it.
--
Phil Mueller pamuelle@ingr.com -OR- pamuelle@nc2145.b30.ingr.com
AMA: 686532 DOD: 132569 1991 Suzuki Bandit 1977 BMW R100/7
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7448 | From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine)
Subject: Washington Post Article on US-Russian Space Cooperation
Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland
Lines: 23
Reported yesterday in the Washington Post (Kathy Sawyer, writer):
The article plays down the Russian role in US space.
Gibbons (science advisor to Clinton) sent Goldin a letter indicating
NASA should not limit redesign options to those compatible with Mir
orbit.
The White House thinks expectations for Russian cooperation have been
raised too high.
The article reports that some think the spending and schedule limits
for space station are so stringent that the redesign is nearly
impossible. That's why some think Goldin has begun looking at
Russian hardware.
Goldin states NASA will present all options to the administration
which will then have decision making power.
Goldin and the White House have totally ruled out using Energia to
boost the station.
--
Chuck Divine
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7449 | From: thor@surt.ATd.ucar.EDU (Richard E. Neitzel)
Subject: xcursor4.1
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Lines: 9
To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Xcursor version 4.1 is now on export as xcursor4.1.tar.Z. I've added
a new option to determine if a requested cursor size is OK. Of course,
your server may lie!
--
Richard Neitzel thor@thor.atd.ucar.edu Torren med sitt skjegg
National Center For Atmospheric Research lokkar borni under sole-vegg
Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 Gjo'i med sitt shinn
303-497-2057 jagar borni inn.
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7450 | From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Subject: Running X on a PC at home talking to a host over Serial Line
Originator: gerard@vaccine.netlabs.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaccine.netlabs.com
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Lines: 41
Some time back I asked for software recommendations to allow me to
run X from my PC at home to my Sparc at the office.
Many thanks for all replies, the majority of people recommended
PCXremote from NCD. I received it yesterday and installed it on
my Sparc and PC with only one hitch.
The UNIX install consists of copying 2 files into some local bin directory.
On the PC side, I ordered the WINDOWS version which came with a slick windows
installation.
The only problem I had was that my .xinitrc in my home directory
had the line
DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0; export DISPLAY
s.t the clients I kicked off connected to my Xserver on the Sparc console.
By removing this line from the .xinitrc everything worked as planned
and the clients connected to the server at
`hostname`:1.0
Some comments on performance, I was connected to a Sparc 2 thru
a NetBlazer Terminal Server over a 9600 baud line.
My PC is a 486-DX2 ATI Ultra, 16 MB
Bitmap Stuff Sucked.
Basic Editing and compilation stuff definitely usable.
Xmail was very usable.
At times the first time U typed in an Xclient window there was
a very noticable delay, I put this down to brain damaged "WINDOWS
should not be called a SCHEDULER", besides that this will become
my remote work environment for a while.
Has anybody tried the NON Windows version of the product, the sales
person said they performed about the same, given the over head of
WINDOWS I question this?
many thanks for help to all who responded
gerard
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7451 | From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
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Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
>to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me
>like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people
>who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more.
I'm not sure it is a major limiting move... in the academic circles
I've seen, arguing for increased government intervention and
management is almost always a plus (not the least because it usually
means more high paying jobs for academics as "advisors"). Also
consider that it looks like Denning has some decent NSA / government
connections, which is always a plus for an academic institute that
wants more government funding and work tossed their way.
Despicable, yes; career limiting, well, the publicity probably
outweighs the drawbacks. And there are a whole bunch of people who
think the whole thing is just peachy keen. If it's only going to be
used against drug dealers, child pornographers, and terrorists, well
it must be good. :p
--
Truth is hard to find and harder to obscure.
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7452 | From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford)
Subject: Re: More technical details
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Lines: 17
The system, or 'family', key would appear to be cryptographically
useless, since *every* chip must know it and be able to remove its
effects from the bitstream. I daresay that it will be widely known
almost immediately after this system is deployed, and since it's been
pointed out that there is not a separate decrypt key -- the same key
is used for both encryption and decryption -- there goes any benefit
to the use of a system-wide key in SkipJack.
--
Robert Bickford "A Hacker is any person who derives joy from
rab@well.sf.ca.us discovering ways to circumvent limitations." rab'86
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has
taken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant
to the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves
'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention." rab'90
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7453 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Do Not Forget
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Apr05.120108.6578@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> REMEMBER AND DO NOT FORGET
> Sisha Fuchs
Never. I don't know whether anybody formulated and proposed such an
index or criteria to determine the magnitude of a genocide as mentioned
and advised by Toynbee. If one ever does you will easily see the magnitude
of the crime of genocide committed by the Armenians, by massacring an alien
population under their rule which constituted about 40% of their total
population and they did it only within a time period of a little over
two years in which they enjoyed having full control over this population.
Now I would like to ask you:
Is there any other genocide in the history of mankind similar to
this one?
And again I would like to ask you:
Whether the silent and unmourned martyrdom of these hundreds of thousands
of Turks of the Republic of Armenia who were exterminated as a "Final
Solution" to Turco-Tartar problems in Armenia is similar or not
to the martyrdom of six million Jews in Europe as a final solution to
Jewish problems?
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
|
7454 | From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi)
Subject: Program Included: 2 Edge Detection Algorithms!
Article-I.D.: acsu.C5JqM6.HLG
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Lines: 142
Nntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu
/*
This program doesn't detect edges with compass operators and a laplacian
operator. It should output 2 raw grey-scale images with edges. The output
doesn't look like edges at all.
In novicee terms, how do I correct the errors? Any improvements are welcome.
(I'll even accept your corrected code.)
(If I convolve the INPUT.IMAGE with a digital gaussian [7 by 7] to remove
noise, will I get an improvement with the laplacian.)
--------------------------2 types of edge detection-------------------------*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
#define IMAGEWIDTH 300
#define IMAGEHEIGHT 300
unsigned char Input_Image [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH];
unsigned char Angles_Wanted [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH];
unsigned char Magnitude_Image [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH];
int Laplace_Op1 [3][3] = { 0,-1, 0, -1,4,-1, 0,-1, 0};
int Compass_Op1 [3][3] = { 1, 1, 1, 0,0, 0, -1,-1,-1};
int Compass_Op2 [3][3] = { 1, 1, 0, 1,0,-1, 0,-1,-1};
int Compass_Op3 [3][3] = { 1, 0,-1, 1,0,-1, 1, 0,-1};
int Compass_Op4 [3][3] = { 0,-1,-1, 1,0,-1, 1, 1, 0};
int Compass_Op5 [3][3] = {-1,-1,-1, 0,0, 0, 1, 1, 1};
int Compass_Op6 [3][3] = {-1,-1, 0, -1,0, 1, 0, 1, 1};
int Compass_Op7 [3][3] = {-1, 0, 1, -1,0, 1, -1, 0, 1};
int Compass_Op8 [3][3] = { 0, 1, 1, -1,0, 1, -1,-1, 0};
void Compass (row,col)
int row,col;
{
int value;
int op_rows, op_cols;
int Compass1,Compass2,Compass3,Compass4;
int Compass5,Compass6,Compass7,Compass8;
Compass1 = Compass2 = Compass3 = Compass4 = 0;
Compass5 = Compass6 = Compass7 = Compass8 = 0;
for (op_rows = -1; op_rows < 2; op_rows++)
for (op_cols = -1; op_cols < 2; op_cols++)
{
if (((row + op_rows) >= 0) && ((col + op_cols) >= 0))
{
Compass1 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op1 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass2 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op2 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass3 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op3 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass4 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op4 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass5 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op5 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass6 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op6 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass7 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op7 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
Compass8 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) *
Compass_Op8 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1];
}
}
if (Compass1 < Compass2)
value = Compass2;
else
value = Compass1;
if (value < Compass3)
value = Compass3;
if (value < Compass4)
value = Compass4;
if (value < Compass5)
value = Compass5;
if (value < Compass6)
value = Compass6;
if (value < Compass7)
value = Compass7;
if (value < Compass8)
value = Compass8;
Magnitude_Image [row][col] = (char) value;
}
void Laplace1 (row,col)
int row,col;
{
int op_rows, op_cols;
Magnitude_Image [row][col] = 0;
for (op_rows = -1; op_rows < 2; op_rows++)
for (op_cols = -1; op_cols < 2; op_cols++)
if (((row + op_rows) >= 0) && ((col + op_cols) >= 0))
Magnitude_Image [row][col] =
(char) ((int)Magnitude_Image [row][col] +
((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols] *
Laplace_Op1 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]));
}
main ()
{
FILE *Original_Image_fp;
FILE *Laplace1_mag_fp,*Laplace2_mag_fp,*Laplace3_mag_fp;
FILE *Compass_mag_fp;
int row, col, Algo_Count;
Original_Image_fp = fopen ("INPUT.IMAGE","rb");
Laplace1_mag_fp = fopen ("Laplace1_Magnitude","wb");
Compass_mag_fp = fopen ("Compass_Magnitude","wb");
fread ((unsigned char *) Input_Image,sizeof(unsigned char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Original_Image_fp);
for (Algo_Count = 0; Algo_Count < 2;Algo_Count ++)
{
for (row = 0; row < IMAGEHEIGHT; row++)
for (col = 0; col < IMAGEWIDTH; col++)
if (!Algo_Count)
Laplace1 (row,col);
else
Compass (row,col);
if (!Algo_Count)
fwrite(Magnitude_Image,sizeof(char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Laplace1_mag_fp);
else
fwrite(Magnitude_Image,sizeof(char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Compass_mag_fp);
}
}
--
| .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu
| / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio
| \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu
|_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.)
|
7455 | From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr17.020555.6004
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Lines: 14
In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes:
>
>If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle,
>etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however
>for every other use you can buy a cheapie.
My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a
lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I've
already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-)
Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often
enough that I want at least _one_ good meter!
---Joel Kolstad
|
7456 | From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh)
Subject: Re: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...)
In-Reply-To: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT
X-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated.
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk
Organization: Not a lot
<WHALEY.93Apr3113732@behemoth.kpc.com>
<1993Apr5.113128.2936@ug.eds.com>
X-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message.
>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT, jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) said:
Jan> Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156
Jan> On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my
Jan> root display with HP Vue?
Jan> All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their
Jan> Backdrop Style Manager.
Jan> xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue
Jan> puts there.
I suspect this is because VUE creates a window (probably OverrideRedirect)
that is the size of (or larger than) the Root Window. Because the window
manager does not know about this, you cannot move, resize etc. it. xv in the
mean time is busy changing your root window to whatever you have requested
but you never get to see it because VUE's window is overlaid on top of the root
window.
Contact HP support and see whether VUE can support coloured bitmap format
such as xpm, if they cant then they probably create all their coloured
backdrops inside the code.
--
-Guy Singh, IXI Internet: guy@x.co.uk
Vision Park UUCP: guy@ixi.uucp
Cambridge Bang: ...!uunet!ixi!guy
CB4 4ZR, UK Tel: +44 223 236 555
|
7457 | From: Marcus Bointon <marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Sony 1304S problems Info please!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F639CE3F010B8B@meridian.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 22:48:46 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: meridian.demon.co.uk
Organization: Sound Impressions
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Lines: 33
Anyone out there have a Sony 1304S?
I have one, and it's very nice, however - If I run it in 16" mode, the
picture won't
go very big. I end up with about 1" gap either side, and .5" top &
bottom. I suspect
an internal adjustment would fix this. Anyone tried it?
Another problem is sub-brightness: Areas that are meant to be black (or
off the main
raster) are not very black. The real raster is quite visible when the
screen is blanked.
This is not too severe, but it is just not as good as other Trini screens
I have
used. If I turn the brightness/contrast down so that the raster is not
visible, the
real image virtually disappears!
The raster size is just right if I use 1024*768, but 100dpi+ is a bit too
much!
Oh, and I am using a RasterOps 24XLi card.
Thanks
Marcus Bointon
marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk
-------------------------------------------------------
Marcus Bointon Tel 081 852 6662
marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk Fax 081 244 5422
"I used Windows for a week once, but I feel better now"
-------------------------------------------------------
|
7458 | From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons)
Subject: Price drop on C650 within 2 months?
Article-I.D.: yuma.Apr06.184114.73926
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu
I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple
to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month
and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a
good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it,
but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal
I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better
deal?
thanks,
-nate
ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
|
7459 | From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks
only
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
Lines: 35
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes:
> You don't care that people are being lied to, fooled into believing the
> chip gives "privacy" when it fact it allows wiretaps?
It does give privacy, just not absolute privacy. The announcement was very
up front about this, and about allowing wiretaps. How is this "fooling"
anyone?
> are you so smart that you know when you're talking
> to somebody who has a wiretap chip on their phone instead of a privacy
> chip with private keys?)
Sure. The two don't interoperate. You couldn't talk to, say, a Cylink phone
from a Clipper phone. I would expect even multiprotocal phones to come with
indicators saying which kind of link encryption is in use...
> We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but
> we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized
> cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy.
So start a company and build them. This is still mostly a capitalist
economy...
> What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time
> voice-encryption RSA, put it into a silicon compiler and spit out
> ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for
> international business, diplomats, and private communications.
I agree. Go for it.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
|
7460 | From: rick@trystro.uucp (Richard Nickle)
Subject: Re: How to read sci.space without netnews
Organization: The Trystro System (617) 625-7155 v.32/v.42bis
Lines: 27
In article <C5LJG5.17n.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwm+@cs.cmu.edu (Mark Maimone) writes:
>In article <734975852.F00001@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes:
>>If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space,
>>but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet
>>feed), I would be willing to feed it to them.
>
> Kudos to Mark for his generous offer, but there already exists a
>large (email-based) forwarding system for sci.space posts: Space Digest.
>It mirrors sci.space exactly, and provides simple two-way communication.
>
I think Mark was talking about making it available to people who didn't
have email in the first place.
If anybody in the Boston area wants a sci.space feed by honest-to-gosh UUCP
(no weird offline malreaders), let me know. I'll also hand out logins to
anyone who wants one, especially the Boston Chapter of NSS (which I keep forgetting
to re-attend).
>Questions, comments to space-request@isu.isunet.edu
>--
>Mark Maimone phone: +1 (412) 268 - 7698
>Carnegie Mellon Computer Science email: mwm@cmu.edu
--
richard nickle rick@trystro.uucp 617-625-7155 v.32/v.42bis
think!trystro!rick somerville massachusetts
|
7461 | From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Books for sale!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 28
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg. Very good condition.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition. Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
|
7462 | From: ken@austin.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Originator: ken@daedalus.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Lines: 50
In article <C5qoFw.3AA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes:
>
> >Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a
> >multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't
> >seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person,
> >and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an
> >implentation of simultaneuos use though.
>
> Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a
> fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense
> of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so
> one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have
> to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how
> things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are
> taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups.
>
> Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and
> run character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know
> about X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...)..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala
> Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach
> Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
I read this in an electronic "magazine" about NT:
"And for all the hoopla about NT, one would
think the thing would be multi-user but it's not. It supports
only one user at a time. It can support multiple clients but
only one actual user."
Your mileage may vary!
--
THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS.
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave the store, mam" Ash, AoD
==================================================================
|
7463 | From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Lines: 23
For Sale:
Roland TR-606 Drum Machine
Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational).
Sorry no Manuals.
Asking $200 US + shipping
Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
Minor Scratches around rack ear screws
with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks
and both manuals
It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample
editing software for the IBM PC.
Asking $400 US + shipping
Send all e-mail requests to: barsz@bnr.ca
Regards,
--
Peter A. Barszczewski ( *
(barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ spirituality through technology.
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( |
Montreal, Canada )
|
7464 | From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Athiests and Hell
Organization: FNAL/AD/Net
Lines: 157
In article <May.6.00.35.31.1993.15453@geneva.rutgers.edu>
sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) writes:>Between Adam and Eve and
Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man
>occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual
>world.
This was precisely my point. From a theological bent, those who lived
immediately after the flood, such as Noah, Ham, his son Cush, and his son
Nimrod had a much stronger appreciation of Divine wrath. They also had a
stronger understanding of the True God. In fact, this immediacy was a cause of
hardship for some, so much so that Atlas, who is seen with heavens resting on
his shoulders. But this is not merely the physical heavens that he is lifting.
It is to put God and the strict spirituality of His law at a distance, and
thus he became the "Elevator of the heavens." This "god" made men able to
"feel" as if heaven were afar off and "as if either the God of Heaven could not
see through the dark cloud, or did not regard with displeasure the breakers of
His laws." It is interesting to see that it was that was titled "Emancipator"
or "Deliverer" or Phoroneus. It was Nimrod who invaded the patriarchal system
and abridged the liberties of mankind, yet was worship for having given many
benefits. He was a deliverer all right but not as we think of Christ as a
Deliverer. One delivered from a conscious feeling of God's wrath, the other
actually performed a delivery from Gods wrath and it is up to us to accept it
as true.
>The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is
>an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to consign Adam
>or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation.
I don't see the problem. From the time of Adam, those who looked forward to
the coming "Anointed One" and put their faith in the fact that it was God who
was to do the provision, were accounted as righteous. But up to the
Crucifixion, their sins were only covered, not taken away. Therefore, the
dispensation of the Church views the accountability of sin the same, but see it
as a completed action. Rom's makes it clear that it has always been salvation
via faith and nothing else.
>It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The
>relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely
>extended conditions of Greenwich mean time.
I understand what you're trying to convey, but I don't think I'd lay hold of it
because the scriptures do equate the eternality of the second death with the
eternality of, say the Church ruling with Christ. Jn 17 tells us what eternal
life is exactly, as you are correct that it is much more than non-cessation of
consciousness.
>It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous
>were lost.
It depends upon your def of "lost." The elect were lost only in time as
outside of time they had been chosen from the foundation of the world.
Existentially we were all born "lost", but the "righteous" were "in Christ" and
therefore never *assuredly* lost.
>
>It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient
>people's ideas of life after death.
Maybe this summer I could find time to put together a paper on it. I simply
have to buy more books for myself, and these older books are very expensive.
Either that or countless trips to the oriental museum.
>
>Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at "the turning point of
>time" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and
>we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new
>revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new
>vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains
>something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and
>much more as well.
Couldn't agree with you more. Our understanding, of say eschatology, is
clearly clearer than that of, say Isaiah. But that is not what I was referring
to.
>(At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf
>Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my
>views on this subject).
>The way you refer to it as "doctrine" puts a modern intellectual coloring
>on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually
>concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or
>teachings today can be received.
No, I understand it as you have said. This was my point.
>
>I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to
>simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed
>on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception
>and experience?
Ah! This is it. This is the big question. However, I would say, again I
think, that the best lie is one that has an appreciable amount of truth to it.
Look at Satan's twist of God's Word when he coerced Eve. That is a very
interesting study.
>The similarity in the midst of great variety of
>expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately
>after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality.
Yes, that is my point. But it is a two edged sword. For some do not want the
underlying reality to be revealed. They were not known as "mystery" religions
for no reason. There was the public side of them and there was the private
side, that was so protected that the initiates to an oath of death if they
revealed that private side. That is why it is so hard to bring their teachings
to light. The "Mystery of Iniquity" that we find in the Bible, correlates to
this I think. The primary object of the mysteries was to introduce privately,
little by little, under the seal of secrecy and sanction of oath, what it would
not have been safe to openly profess was the true religion. Case in point
today might be the Masons. (Just a note, that they too worshipped Osiris in
Egypt, who can be traced to Nimrod, the "husband son.")
>On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity
>that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the
>human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is
>created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas
>dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does
>today.
No, I disagree with you here Gerry. I know what you're alluding to in that the
church, primarily the RCC, did endorse Aristotelian philosophy into their
worldview, but I would disagree with you that it originated in Greece. If you
are a student of history, you will come to see that much of what Greece came to
expound to the world as their original, was just an adulteration of that which
they had taken from conquered countries. The soul is clearly mentioned and
discussed at length in the Egyptian religions. As was the unity of God and also
the trinity of God. See if you can find Wilkinson's "Egyptians." He really
does a number on what the Greeks did to what they "pilfered" from the
Egyptians.
> He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same
>time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our
>eternal spiritual being had grown dim.
I'm not knocking Aristotle or Plato or any other Greek thinker. Its just that
"there is nothing new under the sun."
>Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal
>irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in
>which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a
>single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the
>reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in
>terms that did not try to spell it out.
Each age has its own focus of theology. The early church struggled with the
Trinitarian formulation. The reformation dealt with authority. Today,
eschatology has had much study. The early creeds do not spell these things out
in detail because, 1) they weren't the topic of concern, 2) there was
insufficient wisdom accumulated, 3) they didn't have the exegetical tools that
we have today. Also, each age seems to have an air of revelation to it. One
age has a well tended and cultivated garden in which a particular doctrine is
given growth. It would be natural for the end of times to have the garden
appropriate for the growth of eschatology, wouldn't it?
>
tangents, never ending tangents,
Rex
|
7465 | From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.)
Organization: stanford
Lines: 38
In article <YAMAUCHI.93Apr21131325@yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu>, yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
|> >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,
|> >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates
|> >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This
|> >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of
|> >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the
|> >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone
|> >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.
|>
|> This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My
|> guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to
|> build large, inflatable space structures.
|>
The CU people have been, and continue to be big ozone scientists. So
this is consistent. It is also consistent with the new "Comercial
applications" that NASA and Clinton are pushing so hard.
|>
|> >Is NASA really supporting this junk?
Did anyone catch the rocket that was launched with a movie advert
all over it? I think the rocket people got alot of $$ for painting
up the sides with the movie stuff. What about the Coke/Pepsi thing
a few years back? NASA has been trying to find ways to get other
people into the space funding business for some time. Frankly, I've
thought about trying it too. When the funding gets tight, only the
innovative get funded. One of the things NASA is big on is co-funding.
If a PI can show co-funding for any proposal, that proposal has a SIGNIFICANTLY
higher probability of being funded than a proposal with more merit but no
co-funding. Once again, money talks!
--
H.D. Stevens
Stanford University Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu
Aerospace Robotics Laboratory Phone: (415) 725-3293 (Lab)
Durand Building (415) 722-3296 (Bullpen)
Stanford, CA 94305 Fax: (415) 725-3377
|
7466 | Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
From: <BR4416A@auvm.american.edu>
Subject: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL
Lines: 11
The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction. When I
called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably
needed replacing and that would cost me over $150! Ouch!
Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem? One strange
symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine
a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the
wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won't work if I turn off the
light. Any suggestions or comments?
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Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet<br4416a@american.edu>
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|
7467 | Subject: WIN STORM PC
From: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam)
Reply-To: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam)
Distribution: world
Organization: Elec. & Comp. Eng., Univ. of Kansas
Nntp-Posting-Host: erlang.tisl.ukans.edu
Originator: srini@erlang
Lines: 10
Anyone have any info. on the video/sound card from SIGMA designs.
It is called WIN STORM PC.
They also have another card called the legend 24lx
any info would be appreciated, incuding performance, pricing and
availability.
thanks
srini
|
7468 | From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic
Organization: sgi
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <66486@mimsy.umd.edu>, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
|> Jeff West writes:
|>
|> >You claimed that people that took the time to translate the bible would
|> >also take the time to get it right. But here in less than a couple
|> >generations you've been given ample proof (agreed to by yourself above)
|> >that the "new" versions "tends to be out of step with other modern
|> >translations."
|>
|> What I said was that people took time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly.
|> Translations present completely different issues.
So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had "different
versions" of some OT texts. Did I misunderstand?
jon.
|
7469 | From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com ()
Subject: Circular Motif Widgets
Organization: ACSC, Inc.
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hollywood.acsc.com
Will there be any support for round or circular widgets in Motif's next
release?. I'd love to have a circular knob widget which could be used
instead of a slider.
Cheers!
DM
|
7470 | From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Lines: 18
In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller <mm7k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Help!
>
> I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to
> track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend.
Hey, what do we look like, a parts store? Has it ever occurred to you to
visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one? What are the
chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less
one in working condition? Sheesh, some edu's.
Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork. It's already been
converted into a floor lamp.
-Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR '88 XR600-Shamu
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com AMA#540813 COHVCO '81 CB750F-Llamaha
It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as
simple as wild dogs. -Jack Handey
|
7471 | From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)
Subject: Re: Riddle me this...
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 18
On the subject of CS/CN/tear gas: when I received my initial introduction to
tear gas, the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit. If
there had been anything in the way, corners to negotiate, doors to open, or
any other obstacles to movement, I would have had a difficult time exiting the
chamber. And any concentration of tear gas is hazardous to individuals with
respiratory problems, and the wearing of soft contact lenses in a tear gas
contaminated area is considered a REAL BAD IDEA. So hoping the BD's would
peaceably come strolling out the door after being gassed is a bit unrealistic.
If they could have found the door, having them staggering out retching wouldn't
be too far fetched. Throw in the factor of 50-51 days of being under siege and
subject to psychological warfare, and all bets on functional abilities are off.
Anybody tried to get Amnesty International to jump in on this one?
--
********************************************************************************
James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space
gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent
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7472 | From: jvinson@xsoft.xerox.com (Jeffrey A Vinson)
Subject: 4rent: timeshare week
Lines: 16
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Timeshare week for rent / must use before July / Best offer!!
Week can be "traded" to anywhere in the world (Hawaii, Austria,
Far East, U.S. etc.) under Interval International.
Will answer questions about that, and help you trade (we have
the paperwork and phone numbers in order to that).
Contact:
Jeff Vinson
vinson@migration.com
415.813.7492 (daytime or leave msg)
|
7473 | From: psgwe01@sdc.boeing.com (Gerald Edgar)
Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report
Keywords: 3rd grade science report
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA
Lines: 15
Nntp-Posting-Host: crystal
In making batteries you could use copper and zinc in an acid electrolyte.
Copper=copper wire (pennies are now mostly zinc if I recall correctly)
zinc= zinc strip (Hardware stores arround here (Seattle) sell this to prevent
moss buildup on the roof. An alternative would be to use a galvanized
(zinc coated) nail
electrolyte= lemon juice -> Citric acid is the active ingrediant(sp).
Volta (late 18th century scientist) used a stack for his batteries-
copper disk, paper disk soaked in acid, zinc disk, copper disk, paper ....
they were advanced technology for the time.
Gerald Edgar
gwe3409@atc.boeing.com
"The opinions expressed in this communication may not reflect those of my
employer"
|
7474 | From: adcock@bnr.ca (Doug Adcock)
Subject: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP
Lines: 26
I've been intently following the MAG thread while waiting for
mine to arrive in the mail. There seems to be a lot of
complaints about minor alignment problems with the MX15F. One
article contained a comment that the owner called the factory
and was told that his screen rotation was within spec (1/4").
Well, my monitor arrived last night and, sure enough, it has
a very noticable barrel distortion. It's not dramatic, but it
is there and it is especially noticable when the image doesn't
fill the entire screen. The fact that it is worse on the right
side doesn't help matters.
What I'm trying to find out is if these minor imperfections
are the norm or are most of their monitors perfect? I don't want
to send it back and get one with the same or an even worse
problem. Does the factory consider this kind of thing normal
and ship their monitors with less than perfect alignment?
Are other netters just living with these kind of imperfections?
--
...............................................................
: Comments and opinions are mine - not BNR's :
: Doug Adcock adcock@bnr.ca :
: Bell-Northern Research Research Triangle Park, NC :
...............................................................
|
7475 | From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Subject: Question on Senate Bills
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 49
I'm writting letters to my Congresscritters and was wondering if
there is any reason(s) why I should NOT support the following
Bills, other than the previous comments about S.458. Just checking
before I mail the letter to make sure I don't support something
that I really shouldn't.
-----------------
I strongly SUPPORT the following laws currently being considered in Congress
as they would either have a positive effect towards reducing crime, or re-
enforce our Constitutional right under the 2nd amendment.
* S. 441 (Campbell) To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a
mandatory minimum sentence for the unlawful possession
of a firearm by a convicted felon, a fugitive from
justice, a person who is addicted to, or an unlawful
user of, a controlled substance, or a transferor or
receiver of a stolen firearm, to increase the general
penalty for violation of Federal firearms laws,
and to increase the enhanced penalties provided for the
possession of a firearm in connection with a crime of
violence or drug trafficking crime, and for other
purposes.
* S.458 (Smith) To restore the second Amendment Rights of all Americans.
* S.488 (Specter) To provide Federal penalties for drive-by shootings.
* S.504 (Kohl) To amend section 924 of title 18, United States Code to
make it a Federal crime to steal a firearm or explosives
in interstate or foreign commerce.
Bill Vojak
vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
NRA, ILA,
Colorado Firearms Coalition
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Here's a story, bout a man named Brady, who took a .22 bullet
in his head. Even though he can act perfectly normal, he
prefers to pretend he's brain dead.
Here's a story, bout a woman named Brady, who had nothing to
do but sit around all day. Then her husband became a media
martyr, now she wants to take all your guns away.
The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch, This is how we got stuck
with the Brady Bunch. . . . .
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|
7476 | From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Subject: Re: CAD Program for Electronics?
Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr17.211126.23467@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) writes:
>I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job
>of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in
>MS-DOS, Windows if possible.
>
>What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by
>dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements
>needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins).
>It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the
>components as well as their values. In other words I want to
>produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin
>dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer.
I would suggest Draw for Windows (by Micrografx). I have this on my
home box. Its quite impressive and only cost UKL100. It has a rather
nice clip-art library facility which you can expand with your own
drawings. There is no circuit component clip-art included, but you
could add your own quite easily.
It works with any Windows printer driver of course, and can also
export embedded postscript and PCX files.
Note: I am not connected with Micrografx in any way.
Paul.
--
Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245
--------------------------------------------+----------------------------------
These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not
for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions
|
7477 | From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: "Conventional Proposales": Israel & Palestinians
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Lines: 69
The latest Israeli "proposal", first proposed in February of 1992, contains
the following assumptions concerning the nature of any "interim status"
refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations.
It states that:
>Israel will remain the existing source of authority until "final status"
is agreed upon;
>Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the
Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA);
>The ISGA will apply to the "Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"
under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a
territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population
of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem;
>Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel;
>Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd;
>Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects-
external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order;
>The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature;
>The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and
coordination with Israel.
>Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the
areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education,
business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police,
local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious
affairs.
Several question do come to mind concerning the "success" we all hope for
in the ongoing negotiation process. These arrangements certainly seem to
be essentially a rejection of any Palestinian "interim" self-control.
Without exposing itself to unwarranted risks and creating irresversible
vulnerability, can Israel reasonably put forward (at later points in the
negotiating process) more "relaxed" proposals for this"interim" period?
How should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper their
"maximalist" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and
desire for some "interim control", be addressed while providing for a
very *real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity?
Tim
>Later comment:
>
>There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The
>first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so
>there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in
>exchange for pieces of paper, "expectations", "hopes", etc. The second
>is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that
>these "tangible concessions" be made by Israel **without** it receiving
>anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances
>seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns
>for its expected concessions. By "tangible" is meant something that
>1) provides Israel with "comparable" protection (from the land it is to
>give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine
>**will be** accountable and held actively (not just "diplomatically)
>responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens
>or "visitors").
>
>Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute
>it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more "buffer zone", gives
>full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties
>could (and *would*, if not "controlled" somehow) EASILY return to the
>traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really*
>ensure that that will not happen.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
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7478 | From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)
Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Mon, April 19, 1993
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Lines: 79
Toronto 1 1 1--3
Detroit 1 4 1--6
First period
1, Detroit, Yzerman 1 (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48.
2, Toronto, Cullen 1 (Clark, Gill) 10:44.
Second period
3, Detroit, Sheppard 1 (Probert, Coffey) pp, 5:04.
4, Detroit, Burr 1 (Racine) sh, 6:42.
5, Detroit, Chiasson 1 (Coffey) pp,11:00.
6, Detroit, Howe 1 (Yzerman, Drake) 14:46.
7, Toronto, Gilmour 1 (Borschevsky, Ellett) pp, 19:59.
Third period
8, Detroit, Racine 1 (Primeau, Drake) 5:10.
9, Toronto, Lefebvre 1 (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45.
Detroit: 6 Power play: 6-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Burr 1 0 1
Chiasson 1 0 1
Ciccarelli 0 1 1
Coffey 0 2 2
Drake 0 2 2
Gallant 0 1 1
Howe 1 0 1
Primeau 0 1 1
Probert 0 1 1
Racine 1 1 2
Sheppard 1 0 1
Yzerman 1 1 2
Toronto: 3 Power play: 5-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Borschevsky 0 1 1
Clark 0 1 1
Cullen 1 1 2
Ellett 0 1 1
Gill 0 1 1
Gilmour 1 0 1
Lefebvre 1 0 1
Pearson 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Winnipeg 1 0 1--2
Vancouver 2 0 2--4
First period
1, Vancouver, Adams 1 (Linden, Bure) pp, 1:23.
2, Vancouver, Craven 1 (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56.
3, Winnipeg, Steen 1 (Shannon, Housley) pp, 17:53.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
4, Winnipeg, King 1 (Barnes) 3:43.
5, Vancouver, Linden 1(Courtnall, McLean) 12:16.
6, Vancouver, Ronning 1 (Courtnall) 18:31.
Vancouver: 4 Power play: 6-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Adams 1 0 1
Bure 0 2 2
Courtnall 0 2 2
Craven 1 0 1
Linden 1 1 2
McLean 0 1 1
Murzyn 0 1 1
Ronning 1 0 1
Winnipeg: 2 Power play: 3-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barnes 0 1 1
Housley 0 1 1
King 1 0 1
Shannon 0 1 1
Steen 1 0 1
-----------------------------------------
|
7479 | From: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie)
Subject: Hot, Cold Streaks ???
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Lines: 14
Ok guys, I need a list of the teams who have been hot or cold during the
last 25 games. Doesn't need to be accurate, a rough guess will do. I'm
about to enter a playoff pool and I want to know who is hot going into
the playoffs. Don't need to mention Pittsburgh. They can't get any hotter
than they are now.
P.S. I need this by Sunday
Yvon Lavoie
|
7480 | From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 40
>If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,
>then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means.
Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when
it comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that
their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings
then you won't be "saved". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim
to know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it's based upon your
interpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty
in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be
correct. It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike.
No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that
there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it
what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is
just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer,
meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may
perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the
other is right. As an example, take the question, "Is the glass half
empty or half full"? You can have two different answers which are
contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be
true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong.
[If a person has what they believe is convincing evidence that God
will save only Christians, it's hard to see how you can criticize them
for arrogance for saying so. It could be that they're wrong. But I
hardly see that it's arrogance. Let's look at this a bit closer.
Suppose we had some combination of prophets and messiahs that taught
us things, but didn't say anything about exclusivity. If we believe
them, and then add "and anybody who believes anything else is damned",
then you could well criticize us for arrogance. But in this case the
exclusivity is in the message as it comes from the prophets, etc. So
we could be wrong in believing it, but I don't see how we can be
called arrogant. Maybe the world isn't a soft place. Maybe certain
choices actually do have eternal consequences. I can see calling the
Christian message arrogant, in a certain sense (though only in the
same sense as calling the law of gravitation arrogant because it
doesn't give us any option over whether we fall if we jump off a
building). But not Christians for passing it on, given that they
believe it. The complaints I can see making are (1) that Christians
are wrong, or (2) that God is arrogant. --clh]
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7481 | From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui)
Subject: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ
Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.
Lines: 52
I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function
drawed a line as below fingure:
width = 300
================================
| |
| |
| p1 |
| \ |
| \ | height = 300
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \|p3
| |
|===============================| \
\
p2
I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.
But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).
My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct
p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3.
x3 = 300;
@ = art tan (( 800 - 100)/(500 - 270)) = 71.81 degrees;
y3 = 100 + x3/tan(@) = 100 + 300/tan(71.81) = 198.58 ~= (integer) 199.
How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not?
Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't
wan to.
Thanks in advance!
--
Raymond H. Chui
NSWC N62
10901 New Hampshire Ave.
Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000
U.S.A.
Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45
FAX:1(301)394-4483
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7482 | From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)
Subject: iterations of the bible
Organization: University of Westminster
Lines: 53
Hi... I'm not a religious guy so dont take this as some kinda flame (thanx
in advance)
I want to know why there are so many different versions of the bible? There
is this version of the bible I have read about and on the front page it says:
"....contains inaccurate data and inconsistencies."
Thanx in advance... Shaz....
[I'm not sure quite what you mean by many different versions.
The primary distinction in versions you see today is in the style
of the translation. It's pretty unusual to see significant
differences in meaning. There are a few differences in the underlying
text. That's because before printing, manuscripts were copied by
hand. Slight differences resulted. There are enough manuscripts
around that scholars can do a pretty good job of recreating the
original, but there are some uncertainties. Fortunately, they are
generally at the level of minor differences in wording. There are
something like 3 or 4 places where whole sentences are involved,
but with recent discoveries of older manuscripts, I don't think there's
much uncertainly about those cases. As far as I know, no Christians
believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of
translating is free of error. But I also don't think there's
enough uncertainty in establishing the text or translating it that
it has much practical effect.
Whether the Bible contains inaccurate data and inconsistences is a hot
topic of debate here. Many Christians deny it. Some accept it
(though most would say that the inaccuracies involved are on details
that don't affect the faith). But this has nothing to do with there
being multiple versions. The supposed inconsistences can be found in
all the versions. I'm surprised to find a reference to this on the
title page though. What version are you talking about? I've been
referring to major scholarly translations. These are what get
referenced in postings here and elsewhere. There have certainly been
editions that are (to be kind) less widely accepted. This includes
everything from reconstructions that combine parallel accounts into
single narrations, to editions that omit material that the editor
objects to for some reason or the other. The copyright on the Bible
has long since expired, so there nothing to stop people from making
editions that do whatever wierd thing they want. However the editions
that are widely used are carefully prepared by groups of scholars from
a variety of backgrounds, with lots of crosschecks. I could imagine
one of the lesser-known editions claiming to have fixed up all
inaccurate data and inconsistencies. But if so, it's not any edition
that's widely used. The widely used ones leave the text as is.
(Weeeeelllllll, almost as is. It's been alleged that a few
translations have fudged a word or two here and there to minimize
inconsistencies. Because translation is not an exact science, there
are always going to be differences in opinion over which word is best,
I'm afraid.)
--clh]
|
7483 | From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Lines: 29
In article <sandvik-150493181533@sandvik-kent.apple.com>,
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...
>In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>,
>mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:
>> These laws written for the Israelites...
>> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied
>> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We
>> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable
>> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our
>> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation
>> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike.
>
>Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm.
Which Jews KS?
(ex. as a people, as a language, religiously, politically, or...)
Do you mean those Jews who are God's chosen?
{And Malcolm, please, if you will, set your word wrap at 75 or less
to avoid clutter?}
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-- J --
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| stephen
|
7484 | From: jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn)
Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh574
Organization: BNR, Inc.
Lines: 15
In article <5243@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
|> In article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain
|> (James Yuhn) writes:
|> > That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have
|> > a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally
|>
|> I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make
|> this noise.
|>
Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December
'88,
which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away.
Jim
|
7485 | From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Young Catchers
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 20
In article <C518wo.KFy@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) writes:
> That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about
>prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of
>Fame members? It was part of their preseason special.
Wow. ESPN can repeat eleven-year-old Bill James research. (Literally.
Check the 1982 Abstract.)
> It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory.
Perhaps in 2004 they'll be as reliable as an average SDCN.
> I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight.
Oops, maybe not.
--
ted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it
the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."
standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal
|
7486 | From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 29
In article <strnlghtC5puCL.6Kp@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>In article <Apr18.204843.50316@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
>
>
>> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your
>>crypto keys? I wouldn't.
>
>I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure.
>Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon .
>
>David
>
>
>--
>David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
> our information, errors and omissions excepted.
>
>
Ergo, if your life is sufficiently boring, you have no need for privacy?
(This is not meant to be personal, just the logical conclusion of your
statement.)
--
-Tim Cuffel Finger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination
of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals.
They failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas
trick only works once.
|
7487 | From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms !
Nntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
Why? Either the numerator or the denominator could fluctuate.
The dollar value of a gun would (of course)
go up if supply were restricted. The weight of a gun might
go down significantly as technology improved. I don't
think you have a basis to assert this.
>It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
>would have to be local. There are not all that many people
>who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
>firearms from scratch.
The skill is easily taught to anyone with a modicum of
mechanical aptitude and the ONLY motivator needed is
money. If guns were banned then this motivator would kick
in big time. Now, of course, it is not a moneymaking
proposition for every machine shop to make guns on the
side when it ain't rebuilding engines. Ban guns and
watch what happens. You'll have to schedule a year in advance
to get your brakes resurfaced. ;-)
|
7488 | From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: MACH 25 landing site bases?
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.193829.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
The supersonic booms hear a few months ago over I belive San Fran, heading east
of what I heard, some new super speed Mach 25 aircraft?? What military based
int he direction of flight are there that could handle a Mach 25aircraft on its
landing decent?? Odd question??
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
|
7489 | From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Who should be spied on...
Keywords: hypocritical pig
Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 49
In article <C5vzDv.Mxw.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
>>>>of those files.
>>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
>>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
>>
>>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including
>>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer
>>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members
>>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?
>>
>>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war
>>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is
>>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals
>>only a few years ago.
>>
>
>The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.
>
>Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be
>spied on? You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS
>should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,
>as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in
>which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume
>that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses
>a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?
Like it or not, Edward, Anwar has a very good, valid point. Obviously,
in presenting it, he (quite legitimately and deliberately) takes a point
of view to an extreme which might not have been what you intended, but
that is one of the best ways to demonstrate a "slippery slope" type of
argument, which I believe was his aim.
I very frankly believe that the ADL will be proved innocent in this
case. I doubt there's enough evidence to weigh against them even in a
civil court, where preponderance of the evidence, not evidence beyond
any reasonable doubt, is the standard for "winning" such a case. That,
however, does not prevent me from seeing the merit in Anwar's point.
Rest deleted.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
|
7490 | From: walker@thufir.cs.umn.edu (Robert Paul Walker)
Subject: DOS Board with 16 ports.
Nntp-Posting-Host: thufir.cs.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Lines: 19
I'm posting this for a friend that runs a BBS. I'm not sure if its under
DOS or Windows.
He is interested in a board that has 16 ports on it. In another post,
someone suggeted a DigiBoard, but didn't have too much info on it.
Could someone give me information on any boards that they know of with
the before mentioned configuration. Models. Specifications. Prices.
Manufacturers.
Thanks,
Rob
--
Robert Walker walker@cs.umn.edu
Computer Science Dept.
University of Minnesota
|
7491 | From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson)
Subject: Islam vs the Jehovah's Witnesses
Organization: Society for Trying Really Hard
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr2.223248.19014@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@princeton.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>>But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with
>>the other angels free moral will.
>
>>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability
>>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself),
>
>So Lucifer's moral choices are determined by his will.
>What determines what his will is?
>--
>qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.
Bobby-
A few posts ago you said that Lucifer had no free will. From the above
it seems the JW believes the contrary.
Are you talking about the same Lucifer?
If so, can you suggest an experiment to determine which of you is wrong?
Or do you claim that you are both right?
-Norman
|
7492 | From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)
Subject: CYCLONE AND TEMPEST?????
Article-I.D.: usenet.1pskav$qtu
Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
Could someone please post any info on these systems.
Thanks.
BoB
--
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Robert Novitskey | "Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head
rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"
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|
7493 | From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland)
Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD)
Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama
Distribution: usa
Lines: 36
In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles)
wrote:
>
>
> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's
> disease.
>
> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables,
> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence.
>
> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the
> problems of people with Crohn's disease ?
>
> (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric).
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Eyles
> jge@cs.unc.edu
If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there
is some obstruction of the intestine. Without knowing more it is not
possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring,
or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine. In general, there are
no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate
to obstruction. There is no evidence that any foods will bring on
recurrence of Crohn's. It is important to distinguish recurrence from
recurrent symptoms. A physician would think of new inflammation as
recurrence, while pains from raw veggies just imply a narrowing of the
intestine.
Your friend should look into membership in the Crohn's and Colitis
Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423
Good luck to your friend.
Steve Holland
|
7494 | From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu
In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:
>(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would
In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR
bound people! The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the
wheelchair can be clamped to. The car has a set of hand controls mounted on
conventional handlebars! Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy
driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a
passenger!
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Stolen Taglines...
* God is real, unless declared integer. *
* I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *
* Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *
* The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *
* Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *
|
7495 | From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin)
Subject: FOR SALE: FARENHEIT 1280 24bit
Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr5.231308.3558
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu
Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu
FOR SALE:
Orchid Fareheit 1280 24bit color card
-1 meg
-almost new
$200 or best offer
This is a post for a friend
Call him (Thuan Pho) at 314-368-3624
T.J. Houchin
|
7496 | From: art@cs.UAlberta.CA (Art Mulder)
Subject: comp.windows.x: Getting more performance out of X. FAQ
Summary: This posting contains a list of suggestions about what you can do to get the best performance out of X on your workstation -- without buying more hardware.
Keywords: FAQ speed X
Nntp-Posting-Host: spirit-riv.cs.ualberta.ca
Reply-To: art@cs.ualberta.ca (Art Mulder)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 23:00:00 GMT
Lines: 677
Archive-name: x-faq/speedups
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
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HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE OF X -- monthly posting
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Compiled by Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca)
More RAM, Faster CPU's, More disk space, Faster Ethernet... These
are the standard responses you hear when you ask how to improve the
performance of your workstation.
Well, more hardware isn't always an option, and I wonder if more
hardware is always even a necessity.
This "FAQ" list is a collection of suggestions and ideas from different
people on the net on how you can the best possible performance from X
Windows on your workstation, WITHOUT PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE.
Performance is a highly subjective issue. The individual user must
balance `speed' versus `features' in order to come to a personal
decision. Therefore this document can be be expected to contain many
subjective opinions in and amongst the objective facts.
This document is specifically concerned with X. There are of course
many other factors that can affect the performance of a workstation.
However, they are outside the scope of this document.
[ People seriously interested in the whole area of system
performance, might want to look at the O'Reilly Nutshell Handbook
"System Performance Tuning" by Mike Loukides. I'm about 25% of the
way through reading it, and it looks like a well-written
comprehensive treatment of system performance. I'm unaware of any
other similar books. --ed.]
-----------------
Table of Contents
-----------------
0. Introduction & Administrivia
1. What about the "Other X FAQ"?
2. Window Managers
3. The X Server
Which Server?
Locking the Server into RAM?
Starting your Server
Fonts
About the Resources File
! Define Your Display Properly
4. Clients
A Better Clock for X
A Better Terminal Emulator for X
Tuning your client
5. Miscellaneous Suggestions
Pretty Pictures
A Quicker Mouse
Programming Thoughts
Say What!?
6. Other Sources of Information
7. Author & Notes
! = changed since last issue.
* = new since last issue.
-----------------------------
Introduction & Administrivia
-----------------------------
This document is posted each month, on or around the 15th, to the
Usenet news groups comp.windows.x, news.answers, and comp.answers.
If you are reading a copy of this FAQ which is more than a few
months old (see the "Last-modified" date above) you should probably
locate the latest edition, since the information may be outdated.
If you do not know how to get those newsgroups and/or your site does
not receive them and/or this article has already expired, you can
retrieve this FAQ from an archive site.
There exist several usenet FAQ archive sites. To find out more about
them and how to access them, please see the "Introduction to the
news.answers newsgroup" posting in news.answers.
The main FAQ archive is at rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. This document
can be found there in /pub/usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups. If
you do not have access to anonymous ftp, you can retrieve it by
sending a mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the
command "send usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups" in the message body.
-----------------------------
What about the "Other X FAQ"?
-----------------------------
David B. Lewis (faq%craft@uunet.uu.net) maintains the informative and
well written "comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions" document.
Its focus is on general X information, while this FAQ concentrates
on performance.
The comp.windows.x FAQ does address the issue of speed, but only with
regards to the X server. The gist of that topic seems to be:
"Use X11R5, it is faster than R4".
(Please see the X FAQ for complete details).
---------------
Window Managers
---------------
There are a lot of window managers out there, with lots of different
features and abilities. The choice of which to use is by necessity a
balancing act between performance and useful features. At this
point, most respondents have agreed upon "twm" as the best candidate
for a speedy window manager.
A couple of generic tricks you can try to soup up your window manger,
is turning off unnecessary things like "zooming" and "opaque move".
Also, if you lay out your windows in a tiled manner, you reduce the
amount of cpu power spent in raising and lowering overlapping
windows. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com)
I've found that a good font for tiling is 7x13 (aka:
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-100-100-100-c-70-iso8859-1 ). It is
the biggest font I know of that I can use on my Sun (1152x900 screen)
and still get two 80 column terminal windows side-by-side on the
display with no overlap. Other font suggestions will be accepted.
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The X Server
------------
Which Server?
- - - - - - -
Make sure that your server is a proper match for your hardware.
If you have a monochrome monitor, use a monochrome X11 server.
On my Monochrome Sun, I haven't noticed much difference between
the Xsun (colour) server and XsunMono, however it was pointed out to
me that XsunMono is about 800k smaller and therefore should contribute
to less paging.
[ thanks to: Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk),
Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se) ]
How your server was compiled can also make a difference. Jeff Law
(law@schirf.cs.utah.edu) advises us that on a Sun system, X should be
compiled with gcc (version 2.*) or with the unbundled Sun compiler.
You can expect to get "*very* large speedups in the server" by not
using the bundled SunOS compiler. I assume that similar results
would occur if you used one of the other high-quality commercial
compilers on the market.
Locking the Server into RAM?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Has anyone tried hacking the X server so that it is locked into RAM and
does not get paged? eg: via a call to plock(). Does this help
performance at all? I've had one inquiry on this topic, and a few
pointers to the plock() function call, but no hard evidence from someone
who's tried it. I am not in a position to give it a try.
[thanks to: Eric C Claeys (ecc@eperm.att.com),
Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be),
Juan D. Martin (juando@cnm.us.es) ]
Starting your Server
- - - - - - - - - - -
Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) :
If you start up a lot of clients in your .xsession or whatever, sleep
for a second or two after launching each one. After I changed my
.xclients script to do this, logging in actually took *less* time...
we have a heavily loaded system without much core, though.
This sounds crazy, but I have confirmed that it works!
Warner Losh (imp@Solbourne.COM) provided me with a good explanation of
why this works, which I have summarized here:
When you start up an X server it takes a huge amount of time to
start accepting connections. A lot of initialization is done by
the server when it starts. This process touches a large number of
pages. Any other process running at the same time would fight the
server for use of the CPU, and more importantly, memory. If you
put a sleep in there, you give the Server a chance to get itself
sorted out before the clients start up.
Similarly, there is also a lot of initialization whenever an X
client program starts: toolkits registering widgets, resources
being fetched, programs initializing state and "databases" and so
forth. All this activity is typically memory intensive. Once this
initialization is done ("The process has reached a steady state"),
the memory usage typically settles down to using only a few pages.
By using sleeps to stagger the launching of your clients in your
.Xinitrc , you avoid them fighting each other for your
workstation's limited resources
This is most definitely a "Your Mileage May Vary" situation, as there
are so many variables to be considered: available RAM, local swap
space, load average, number of users on your system, which clients
you are starting, etc.
Currently in my .xinitrc I have a situation like:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 1; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
I've experimented with:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 2; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 3; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 4; exec xterm ) &
I've even tried:
(sleep 2; exec start_X_clients_script ) &
and then in start_X_clients_script I had:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 1; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
[ The idea with this last one was to make sure that xinit had
completely finished processing my .xinitrc, and had settled down
into a "steady state" before the sleep expired and all my clients
were launched. ]
All of these yielded fairly comparable results, and so I just stuck with
my current setup, for its simplicity. You will probably have to
experiment a bit to find a setup which suits you.
Fonts
- - -
Loading fonts takes time and RAM. If you minimize the number of fonts
your applications use, you'll get speed increases in load-up time.
One simple strategy is to choose a small number of fonts (one small, one
large, one roman, whatever suits you) and configure all your clients -- or
at least all your heavily used clients -- to use only those few fonts.
Client programs should start up quicker if their font is already loaded
into the server. This will also conserve server resources, since fewer
fonts will be loaded by the server.
[ Farrell McKay (fbm@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au),
Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) ]
eg: My main xterm font is 7x13, so I also have twm set up to use 7x13
in all it's menus and icons etc. Twm's default font is 8x13. Since
I don't normally use 8x13, I've eliminated one font from my server.
Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com):
Keep fonts local to the workstation, rather than loading them over nfs.
If you will make extensive use of R5 scalable fonts, use a font server.
About the Resources File
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Keep your .Xresources / .Xdefaults file small. Saves RAM and saves
on server startup time. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com)
One suggestion:
In your .Xdefaults (.Xresources) file, try putting only the minimum
number of resources that you want to have available to all of your
applications. For example: *reverseVideo: true
Then, separate your resources into individual client-specific
resource files. For example: $HOME/lib/app-defaults. In your
.login file set the environment variable XUSERFILESEARCHPATH:
setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH $HOME/lib/app-defaults/%N
[ The "comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions" FAQ contains
an excellent explanation of how these environment variables work.
--ed.]
So, when xterm launches, it loads its resources from
.../app-defaults/XTerm. Xdvi finds them in .../app-defaults/XDvi,
and so on and so forth. Note that not all clients follow the same
XXxxx resource-file naming pattern. You can check in your system
app-defaults directory (often: /usr/X11R5/lib/X11/app-defaults/) to
find the proper name, and then name your personal resource files
with the same name.
This is all documented in the Xt Specification (pg 125 & 666).
[Thanks to: Kevin Samborn (samborn@mtkgc.com),
Michael Urban (urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov),
and Mike Long (mikel@ee.cornell.edu).
Kevin is willing mail his setup files to inquirers.]
This method of organizing your personal resources has the following
benefits:
- Easier to maintain / more usable.
- Fewer resources are stored in the X server in the RESOURCE_MANAGER
property. As a side benefit your server may start fractionally
quicker, since it doesn`t have to load all your resources.
- Applications only process their own resources, never have to sort
through all of your resources to find the ones that affect them.
It also has drawbacks:
- the application that you are interested in has to load an
additional file every time it starts up. This doesn't seem to
make that much of a performance difference, and you might
consider this a huge boon to usability. If you are modifying an
application's resource database, you just need to re-run the
application without having to "xrdb" again.
- xrdb will by default run your .Xdefaults file through cpp. When
your resources are split out into multiple resource files and
then loaded by the individual client programs, they will not.
WATCH OUT FOR THIS!!
I had C style comments in my .Xdefaults file, which cpp stripped
out. When I switched to this method of distributed resource
files I spent several frustrating days trying to figure out why
my clients were not finding their resources. Xt did *NOT*
provide any error message when it encountered the C style
comments in the resource files, it simply, silently, aborted
processing the resource file.
The loss of preprocessing (which can be very handy, e.g. ``#ifdef
COLOR'' ...) is enough to cause some people to dismiss this
method of resource management.
- You may also run into some clients which break the rules. For
example, neither Emacs (18.58.3) nor Xvt (1.0) will find their
resources if they are anywhere other than in .Xdefaults.
- when starting up a client on a machine that does not share files
with the machine where your resources are stored, your client
will not find its resources. Loading all your resources into the
server will guarantee that all of your clients will always find
their resources. Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov)
A possible compromise suggestion that I have (and am planning on trying)
is to put resources for all my heavily used clients (eg: xterm) into my
.Xdefaults file, and to use the "separate resources files" method for
clients that I seldom use.
Define Your Display Properly
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Client programs are often executed on the same machine as the server. In
that situation, rather than setting your DISPLAY environment variable to
"<hostname>:0.0", where <hostname> is the name of your workstation, you
should set your DISPLAY variable to "unix:0.0" or ":0.0". By doing this
you access optimized routines that know that the server is on the same
machine and use a shared memory method of transferring requests.
[thanks to Patrick J Horgan (pjh70@ras.amdahl.com)]
See the _DISPLAY NAMES_ section of the X(1) man page for further
explanation of how to properly set your display name.
"I don't think it's stock MIT, but (at least) Data General and HP have
libraries that are smart enough to use local communication even when
the DISPLAY isn't set specially."
Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET)
[Jody Goldberg (jody@algorithmics.com) sent me an Xlib patch to change
stock R5 to use local communication even if DISPLAY is not properly set.
I don't want to get in the business of distributing or trying to juggle
non-MIT patches and so have elected not to include it here. Hopefully MIT
will apply this minor (~8 lines) patch themselves. In the meantime, if
you want to try it yourself, email Jody. --ed.]
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Clients
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If you only have a few megabytes of Ram then you should think
carefully about the number of programs you are running. Think also
about the _kind_ of programs you are running. For example: Is there
a smaller clock program than xclock?
Unfortunately, I haven't really noticed that programs advertise how large
they are, so the onus is on us to do the research and spread the word.
[ Suggestions on better alternatives to the some of the standard clients
(eg: Xclock, Xterm, Xbiff) are welcome. --ed.]
I've received some contradictory advice from people, on the subject
of X client programs. Some advocate the use of programs that are
strictly Xlib based, since Xt, Xaw and other toolkits are rather
large. Others warn us that other applications which you are using
may have already loaded up one or more of these shared libraries. In
this case, using a non-Xt (for example) client program may actually
_increase_ the amount of RAM consumed.
The upshot of all this seems to be: Don't mix toolkits. That is, try
and use just Athena clients, or just Xview clients (or just Motif
clients, etc). If you use more than one, then you're dragging in
more than one toolkit library.
Know your environment, and think carefully about which client
programs would work best together in that environment.
[Thanks to: Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET),
Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk | sinclair@uk.ac.gla.dcs) ]
A Better Clock for X
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1) xcuckoo
suggested by: Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk)
available: on export.lcs.mit.edu
Xcuckoo displays a clock in the title bar of *another* program.
Saves screen real estate.
2) mclock
suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU)
available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mclock.shar
Non Xt-based. Extensively configurable. it can be made to look
very much like MIT oclock, or mostly like xclock purely by changing
resources.
Of course, the ultimate clock --- one that consumes no resources, and
takes up no screen real estate --- is the one that hangs on your wall.
:-)
A Better Terminal Emulator for X
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
From the README file distributed with xterm:
+-----
| Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here
|
| This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution.
| ...
+-----
Ugly maybe, but at my site it's still the most used. I suspect that
xterm is one of the most used clients at many, if not most sites.
Laziness? Isn't there a better terminal emulator available? See below.
If you must use xterm, you can try reducing the number of saveLines
to reduce memory usage. [ Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com),
Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk) ]
1) Xvt
suggested by: Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) :
available: export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/xvt-1.0.tar.Z
"...if you don't need all the esoteric features of xterm, then get
hold of xvt ... it was written here just to save swap space as
xterm is rather a hog! "
This was written as a partial 'clone' of xterm. You don't have to
rename your resources, as xvt pretends to be XTerm. In it's current
version, you cannot bind keys as you can in xterm. I've heard that
there are versions of xvt with this feature, but I've not found any
yet.
UPDATE (March 1993): I recently had a few email conversations with
Brian Warkentin (brian.warkentine@eng.sun.com) regarding xvt. He
questions whether xvt really is at all faster than xterm. For
instance, xvt may initialize slightly faster, but compare scrolling
speed (try this quickie benchmark: /bin/time dd if=/etc/termcap
bs=40) and see which program can scroll faster. Also, while xterm
may be slightly larger in RAM requirements (We don't have any hard
numbers here, does anyone else?) shared libraries and shared text
segments mean that xterm's paging requirements are not that major.
As an experiment, he ripped out all the tek stuff from xterm, but it
made little difference, since if you never use it, it never gets
brought into memory.
So here we stand with some conflicting reports on the validity of
xvt over xterm. In summary? Caveat Emptor, your mileage may vary.
If you can provide some hard data, I'd like to see it.
Specifically: How much RAM each occupies, how much swap each needs,
relative speed of each
2) mterm
suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU)
available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in
/X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax.
"I also have my own terminal emulator. Its major lack is
scrollback, but some people like it anyway."
Tuning your client
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Suggestions on how you can tune your client programs to work faster.
From Scott Barman (scott@asd.com) comes a suggestion regarding Motif
Text Field Widgets:
I noticed that during data entry into Motif text field widgets, I
was getting a slight lag in response to some keystrokes,
particularly the initial one in the field. Examining the what was
going on with xscope I found it. It seems that when the resource
XmNblinkRate is non-zero and the focus is on a text field widget
(or even just a text widget) the I-beam cursor will blink.
Every time the cursor appears or disappears in those widgets, the
widget code is making a request to the server (CopyArea). The user
can stop this by setting the resource XmNblinkRate to 0. It is not
noticeable on a 40MHz SPARC, but it does make a little difference
on a [slower system].
This specific suggestion can probably be applied in general to lots
of areas. Consider your heavily used clients, are there any minor
embellishments that can be turned off and thereby save on Server
requests?
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Miscellaneous Suggestions
-------------------------
Pretty Pictures
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Don't use large bitmaps (GIF's, etc) as root window backgrounds.
- The more complicated your root window bitmap, the slower the server
is at redrawing your screen when you reposition windows (or redraw, etc)
- These take up RAM, and CPU power. I work on a Sun SPARC and I'm
conscious of performance issues, I can't comprehend it when I see
people with a 4mb Sun 3/60 running xphoon as their root window.
I'll let someone else figure out how much RAM would be occupied by
having a full screen root image on a colour workstation.
- If you're anything like me, you need all the screen real estate
that you can get for clients, and so rarely see the root window anyway.
[ Thanks to Qiang Alex Zhao (azhao@cs.arizona.edu)
for reminding me of this one. --ed.]
A Quicker Mouse
- - - - - - - -
Using xset, you can adjust how fast your pointer moves on the screen
when you move your mouse. I use "xset m 3 10" in my .xinitrc file,
which lets me send my pointer across the screen with just a flick of
the wrist. See the xset man page for further ideas and information.
Hint: sometimes you may want to *slow down* your mouse tracking for
fine work. To cover my options, I have placed a number of different
mouse setting commands into a menu in my window manager.
e.g. (for twm) :
menu "mouse settings" {
"Mouse Settings:" f.title
" Very Fast" ! "xset m 7 10 &"
" Normal (Fast)" ! "xset m 3 10 &"
" System Default (Un-Accelerated)" ! "xset m default &"
" Glacial" ! "xset m 0 10 &"
}
Programming Thoughts
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Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) :
To speed up applications that you're developing, there are tons of
things you can do. Some that stick out:
- For Motif programs, don't set XmFontList resources for individual
buttons, labels, lists, et. al.; use the defaultFontList or
labelFontList or whatever resource of the highest-level manager
widget. Again, stick to as few fonts as possible.
- Better yet, don't use Motif at all. It's an absolute pig.
- Don't create and destroy widgets on the fly. Try to reuse them.
(This will avoid many problems with buggy toolkits, too.)
- Use a line width of 0 in GCs. On some servers this makes a HUGE
difference.
- Compress and collapse multiple Expose events. This can make the
difference between a fast application and a completely unusable
one.
Francois Staes (frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be) :
Just a small remark: I once heard that using a better malloc
function would greatly increase performance of Xt based
applications since they use malloc heavily. They suggested trying
out the GNUY malloc, but I didn't find the time yet. I did some
tests on small programs just doing malloc and free, and the
differences were indeed very noticeable ( somewhat 5 times faster)
[ Any confirmation on this from anyone? --ed.]
Andre' Beck (Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de) :
- Unnecessary NoExpose Events.
Most people use XCopyArea/XCopyPlane as fastest blit routines, but
they forget to reset graphics_exposures in the GC used for the
blits. This will cause a NoExpose Event every blit, that, in most
cases, only puts load onto the connection and forces the client to
run through it's event-loop again and again.
- Thousands of XChangeGC requests.
This "Gfx Context Switching" is also seen in most handcoded X-Apps,
where only one or few GCs are created and then heavily changed
again and again. Xt uses a definitely better mechanism, by caching
and sharing a lot of GCs with all needed parameters. This will
remove the load of subsequent XChangeGC requests from the
connection (by moving it toward the client startup phase).
Say What!?
- - - - - -
Some contributors proposed ideas that seem right off the wall at first:
David B. Lewis (by day: dbl@osf.org, by night: david%craft@uunet.uu.net) :
How about this: swap displays with someone else. Run all your programs
on the other machine and display locally; the other user runs off your
machine onto the other display. Goal: reduce context switches in the
same operation between client and server.
I'm not in a situation where I can easily try this, but I have received
the following confirmation...
Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se):
I regularly run programs on other machines and I notice a big
difference. I try to run on a machine where I will reduce net usage
and usually with nice to reduce the impact of my intrusion. This
helps a lot on my poor little SS1+ with only 16 MB, it was
essential when I only had 8 MB.
Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov) :
[The X11 Server and the client are] competing for the same CPU as
your server when you run it on the same machine. Not really a
major problem, except that the X11 client and the server are in
absolute synchronicity and are context thrashing.
Timothy H Panton (thp@westhawk.uucp) :
Firstly it relies on the fact that most CPU's are mostly idle, X's
cpu usage is bursty. so the chances of you and your teammate
doing something cpu-intensive at the same time is small. If they
are not then you get twice the cpu+memory available for your
action.
The second factor is that context switches are expensive, using 2
cpu's halves them, you pay a price due to the overhead of going
over the network, but this is offset in most cases by the improved
buffering of a network (typically 20k vs 4k for a pipe), allowing
even fewer context switches.
----------------------------
Other Sources of Information
----------------------------
Volume 8 in O'Reilly's X Window System Series, ``X Window System
Administrator's Guide'' is a book all X administrator's should read.
Adrian Nye (adrian@ora.com):
A lot more tips on performance are in the paper "Improving X
Application Performance" by Chris D. Peterson and Sharon Chang, in
Issue 3 of The X Resource.
An earlier version of this paper appeared in the Xhibition 1992
conference proceedings.
This paper is absolutely essential reading for X programmers.
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Author & Notes
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7497 | From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
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Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com
brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of
>better encryption phones, because "the only reason a person would want
>one is to evade the police."
Then they'll probably also want to start tracking the customer
lists of people purchasing SoundBlaster and similar boards, which can
be configured with the use of some code and a modem, to act as a pretty
decent digital-encrypting telephone. It's expensive, though, and kind
of awkward. I don't know any drug lords, but I'm sure they'd favor
something tappable over something secure as long as the user interface
is nice.
When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over
cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child
pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the
civilized world might transact incriminating business over "encrypting"
cellular phones.
mjr.
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7498 | From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda)
Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Lines: 9
In article <1993Apr14.165633.2170@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
>As for the MOVE incident, wasn't the mayor of Philadelphia at the time Black ?
For the first Move incident (no bomb, several members killed in
gunfire, circa 1978) the mayor was the very white Frank Rizzo.
For the second (bomb included) the mayor was Wilson Goode, who
is indeed black.
-jim halat
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7499 | From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility
Lines: 672
Organization: University of North Texas
Thanks to all who responded to my original post. I got the number for
Western Digital tech support and determined that I need to upgrade the
BIOS to the Super BIOS. It will handle hard drives with up to 16 read/
write heads and up to 1024 cylinders. The upgrade is $15, payable by
check or money order. Send to:
Western Digital Corporation
Technical Support Group
P.O. Box 19665
Irvine, CA 92713-9665
The Super BIOS is for any WD XT hard drive controller card in the
WD1002 series.
The BIOS on my system would only handle up to 20mb drives.
The responses to my request for help follow my .sig. Warning: It's long.
Keith
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To: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility
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Cc:
In article <drice.733866833@ponder> you write:
>I recently bought a used Seagate ST-251 hard drive. The guy told me that
>it had been fully tested and that it was good. I took it home to install
>in my Compaq Portable (OK, I'm a little behind in technology). I already
>had an MFM controller.
>
>I installed the drive and powered up the system. I got a post error, "1701".
>
>My controller is a Western Digital WD1002S-WX2 Rev. C.
>As I said above, the drive is a Seagate ST-251.
>The system is a Compaq Portable (circa 1985).
Ah, finally a question I can answer. I mess with this older
stuff alot. Kinda fun. 8)
First problem I can forsee is that the ST-251 will not be
compadible with that WD card unless it has the right bios rom.
Check the numbers on it. It should be the only non-smt chip on
the board. Slightly below center, and left. The bios should read
either : 62-000042-015 or
62-000094-0x2
If the last 3 digits are 013, you got problems.
>
>Controller jumpers are set as follows: ("-" represents jumper)
> W1 1-2 3
> W2 1-2 3
> W3 1-2
> W4 1 2-3
> W5 1 2 3
> W6 1-2 3
> W7 1 2 3
Looks right. W5 and W7 are factory jumped (with a trace) between
pins 1 and 2 to select the primary controller address.
>The drive jumpers are as follows: ("8" represents jumper)
Looks right.
[art deleted]
>Here are my questions:
>
>1.) Are the drive and controller compatible w/ each other?
I notice you left out the S1 jumper table settings. Those are
what control what drive the controller thinks it has. If you have
the 62-000042-015 rom, set it like this:
5 + + open
6 + + open
7 + + open
8 + + open
4 + + closed
3 + + closed
2 + + open
1 + + open
Note: those are how WD runs the numbers on the jumper block.
Top to bottom. +'s represent the jumper pins. Pins 3,4, and 8
select the first drive setting (drive 0) and pins 1,2 and 7 select the
second drive (drive 1).
If you have the 62-000094 rom, it's a auto-config, and I'll have
to look up how to do it... I don't have the big book right here.
>2.) Are the jumpers on the card/drive set correctly?
See above. You might have problems if the S1 jumpers are not
right. Also, at the risk of being insulting, make sure the cables
are on right and good. 8). On the jumper on the 251, try moving it
to the opposite side of the drive. It's one or the other.
The narrow data cable goes to J2. I've thrown it on J3 a few
times and banged my head for a day.....
>3.) Is my system's BIOS in need of an upgrade?
Dunno. IBM roms had to be later than 10/27/82. A quick way
to check is to boot dos and run debug. Enter:
-d f000:fff5 fffc (the - is the debug prompt)
This will return the rom date, if it's of any use.
>Keith Rice
If I oversimplified any of the above, I appologize. It's
just hard to know what caliber of person I'm talking to. 8).
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If you are using a TWISTED 34-way cable then move the jumper
on your drive to the neighbouring pins :8::::::. Make sure that
the twisted cable is for a hard disk (and not a floppy disk) - the
coloured stripe (pin 1) should be furthest from the twist.
This may also help.
PRODUCTS FOR XT SYSTEMS
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES
Reference NOTE 1.
WD1002A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives
with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper
configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables.
Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual
drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and
dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for
filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems.
Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from
the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference
NOTE 2.
WDXT-GEN, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard
disk drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM
BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive
formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and
dynamic formatting. Please note that this controller card will
be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after
March, 1989.
WD1004A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives
with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper
configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables.
Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual
drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and
dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for
filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems.
Reference NOTE 2.
WDXT-GEN2, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard disk
drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS
supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting,
dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic
formatting. Reference NOTE 2.
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES
Reference NOTE 2.
WD1002-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk
drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper
configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables.
Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual
drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and
dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for
filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems.
Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from
the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference
NOTE 2.
WD1002A-27X, feature 300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL drives with up
to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-
standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, bad track
formatting and dynamic formatting. Please note that this
controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer
(Western Digital) after March, 1989.
WD1004-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller
card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard
disk drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper
configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables.
Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual
drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting
and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connection
for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT
systems. Reference NOTE 2.
WD1004A-27X, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk
controller with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL
drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM
BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive
formatting, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting.
NOTE 1: AT&T 6300 - The AT&T 6300 and the AT&T 6300 PLUS
contain system BIOS chips that support the hard disk drive.
When using a Western Digital XT controller card the system will
not "boot." To solve this problem, one of the ROM BIOS chips
must be disabled. To disable the BIOS on your Western Digital
XT controller card, you must remove the jumper at position W-3
or add a jumper at position R-23 (depending on which model of XT
controller you are using).
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NOTE 2: TANDY 1000 SYSTEMS - The WD1002A-WX1, WD1004A-WX1,
WDXT-GEN2 and the WD1004-27X can be modified to operate in
Tandy 1000 series computers, models SX, TX and the original or
"A" version. These computers utilize an interrupt of 2 (IRQ2)
instead of IRQ5, the IBM standard. To modify the WD1002A-WX1 or
the WD1002-27X to operate in these systems, you must cut the
etch between pin 1 and pin 2 at jumper position W-7. Then
solder pin 2 and pin 3 at the position (W-7). To complete the
modification, a jumper must be added to position 7 of switch S-1
(2 rows of 8 pins). PLEASE NOTE THAT ANY PHYSICAL MODIFICATION
TO YOUR WESTERN DIGITAL HARD DISK CONTROLLER VOIDS THE WARRANTY
ON YOUR BOARD. To modify the WD1004A-WX1, WDXT-GEN2 or the
WD1004-27X for your Tandy 1000 system, a zero ohm resister must
be soldered to jumper position W-27. This will change the
interrupt from IRQ5 to IRQ2.
XT CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES
WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT
systems. Four versions of the board are available:
Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives.
Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes
an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and
an optional 4-pin power connector.
Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes
a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize
floppy disk drive that may not be supported by your AT
system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow
this controller card to operate high density floppy disk
drives in an XT system.
Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes
an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an
optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will
enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that
may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The
optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to
operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system.
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PRODUCTS FOR AT SYSTEMS
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT
WD1003-WAH, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16
heads and 2048 cylinders, 3:1 interleave.
WD1003V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16
heads and 2048 cylinders, 2:1 interleave. The "V" boards can
run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed).
WD1006-WAH , feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with
an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to
16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave.
WD1006V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16
heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data
transfer due to "look ahead caching." The "V" boards can run in
high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed).
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES
WD1003-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface, full AT form factor. It supports 2 MFM
drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1
interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB).
WD1003A-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface, full XT form factor. It supports 2 MFM
drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave
and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB).
WD1003V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives
with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave, and 2
floppy disk drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2Mb; 3-1/2" 720K, 1.44Mb).
The "V" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16
megahertz system speed).
WD1006V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives
with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 1:1 interleave and
faster data transfer due to "look ahead caching" and 2 floppy
disk drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The
"V" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz
system speed).
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HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT
WD1003-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16
heads and 2048 cylinders at 3:1 interleave.
WD1003V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with
up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave. The "V"
boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz
system speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows
the user to define the drive's parameters.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1006-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with
up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave.
Feature F001R includes an optional ROM BIOS that provides
additional drive parameter tables.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1006V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16
heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data
transfer due to "look ahead caching." The "V" boards can run in
high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows
the user to define the drive's parameters.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES
WD1003-RA2, feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with an
ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk
drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1
interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb).
-5-
WD1003V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with
up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 2:1 interleave, and 2
floppy disk drives, (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2" 720K, 1.44
Mb). The "V" boards run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16
megahertz system speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows
the user to define the drive's parameters.
Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1006V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412
interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with
up to 16 heads, 2048 cylinders and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"
360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2" 720K, 1.44 Mb). It also features 1:1
interleave and faster data transfer due to "look ahead
caching". The "V" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10
to 16 megahertz system speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows
the user to define the drive's parameters.
Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT -
WD1007A-WAH - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI
hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate and
1:1 interleave.
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with "shadow
RAM" that will enable the controller card to interface
with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system
ROM BIOS.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1007V-SE1/ME1 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI
hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate and
1:1 interleave. The "V" boards can run in high speed AT
systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with "shadow
RAM" that will enable the controller card to interface
with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system
ROM BIOS.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
-6-
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK
DRIVES
WD1007A-WA2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI
hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1
interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"
720K, 1.44 Mb).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with "shadow
RAM" that will enable the controller card to interface
with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system
ROM BIOS.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1007V-SE2/ME2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI
hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1
interleave and 2 floppy drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"
720K, 1.44 Mb). The "V" boards can run in high speed AT systems
(10 to 12 megahertz bus speed).
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with "shadow
RAM" that will enable the controller card to interface
with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system
ROM BIOS.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameters.
WD1007A-WA4 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI
hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1
interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"
720K, 1.44 Mb). This board also has a serial port and parallel
port.
Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with "shadow
RAM" that will enable the controller card to interface
with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system
ROM BIOS.
Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must
use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must
contain the appropriate drive parameter.
-7-
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR SCSI HARD DISK DRIVES
7000-ASC - A SCSI host adapter that serves as an interface
between the AT bus and the SCSI bus. All necessary drivers and
receivers are included, permitting direct cable connections to
the SCSI bus through a 50 pin connector and to the AT bus
through two edge connectors. The 7000-ASC utilizes jumper
configurable options that enable the address space, DMA channels
and interrupt requests to be selected to suit the end user's
application. The board also features word data transfer at 4
megabytes per second (synchronous), an on-board floppy disk
controller and a ROM BIOS. Please note that the 7000-ASC
operates using standard DOS 3.2 or DOS 3.3 only.
7000-FASST2 - This SCSI host adapter card provides the same
features as the 7000-ASC plus additional support capabilities
using software developed by Columbia Data Products. The 7000-
FASST2 will support MS-DOS 3.2-3.3, Compaq DOS 3.31, PC-DOS 4.0,
PC-MOS/386 version 2.1, XENIX, Microsoft Windows, Novell and
Sytos tape backup.
WDATXT-FASST KIT - An "unintelligent" SCSI host adapter that is
compatible with the IBM XT, AT and compatible systems. It uses
a 50 pin external SCSI bus "D" connector with a standard 50 pin
internal SCSI cable. The WDATXT-FASST can be used as both a
target and an initiator and it serves as an excellent tool for
SCSI designers. It also provides a low cost alternative for end-
users desiring to install a SCSI peripheral device such as a
hard disk drive or a tape backup unit. The kit includes an 8-bit
SCSI HBA board, manual, FASST software diskettes and an internal
SCSI cable.
SYTOS TAPE BACKUP - (Utility for 7000-FASST) - FASST-SYTOS -
FASST version of Sytos tape backup utilities. MS-DOS
compatible, it runs with FASST software products Revision 3.3+.
HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR PS/2 MODEL 50, 60, 80 SYSTEMS
(MICROCHANNEL ARCHITECTURE)
WD1006V-MC1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller with an
ST506/ST412 interface for microchannel systems. It supports 2
MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1
interleave and faster data transfer due to "look ahead
caching." The"V" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to
16 megahertz system speed).
-8-
WD1007V-MC1, feature F300R - This controller card will support
up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second transfer
rate and it contains a ROM BIOS with "shadow RAM" that will
enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI
hard disk drives without modifying the system BIOS. It uses 1:1
interleave. The "V" boards can run in high speed AT systems,
(10 to 12 megahertz bus speed).
CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES ONLY
WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT
systems. Four versions of the board are available:
Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives.
Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes
an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and
an optional 4-pin power connector.
Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes
a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize
floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT
system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow
this controller card to operate high density floppy disk
drives in an XT system.
Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes
an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an
optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will
enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that
may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The
optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to
operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system.
--
Prof. L. Piacenza - Chemistry Department - University of Transkei
Internet: chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za (preferred). Tel. 27-471-3022384
Internet: sppp@hippo.ru.ac.za
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From: "Kirtland H. Olson" <mydual!olson@transfer.stratus.com>
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To: drice@ponder
Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
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Status: OR
Suggest you move jumper on drive rightward one position.
Regards,
--Kirt
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