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7300 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Keywords: JPL
Joe,
your description sounds like one of the gravity probe spacecraft
ideas.
pat
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7301 | From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko)
Subject: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
Lines: 8
4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original
box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you.
Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if
you're interested in this marvel of modern technology.
---
Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com
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7302 | From: slacelle@gandalf.ca (Stephane Lacelle)
Subject: Bridgman is out
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Lines: 8
The Ottwawa Senators fired Mel Bridgman at 1:00 PM today.
Randy Sexton is gonna replace him.
--
=====================================================================
Stephane Lacelle
S/W engineer Insert .sig here
Gandalf Data Ltd
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7303 | Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann)
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Lines: 19
In <C5Jzsz.Jzo@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes:
>The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law
>suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn
>over the key.
It has actually come up (or it will in a week or two) in NZ. I'll post the
outcome when the trial finishes (which could take months BTW). Overall it
looks like you can't be forced to reveal a password, if anyone can provide
a convincing legal argument to the contrary (ie an actual court case) I'd
be most interested...
Peter.
--
pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz||p_gutmann@cs.aukuni.ac.nz||gutmann_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
peterg@kcbbs.gen.nz||peter@nacjack.gen.nz||peter@phlarnschlorpht.nacjack.gen.nz
(In order of preference - one of 'em's bound to work)
-- Think! (or thwim) --
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7304 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody
<VEAL.744.735151266@utkvm1.utk.edu>
Lines: 43
In article <VEAL.744.735151266@utkvm1.utk.edu>, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
says:
>
>In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz >
><U28037@uicvm.uic.edu
>
>>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from
>>the people on the net.
>>
>>Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You
>>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their
>>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is
>>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you
>>collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there
>>(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)?
>
> As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police
>officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if
>you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of
>hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.)
>
This is exactly what I have heard before. If you were to fade away and
nobody saw you what kind of evidence would they be able to get to catch you
(this is assuming that you either collected your brass or had a revolver)?
>>What kind
>>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would
>>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and
>>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone
>>saw you and you were caught?
>
> It's one of those "by State" things, pretty much.
Guess it's time to take a trip to the library and look at the Illinois statutes
again :-) Just for the record folks I'm just asking this because I'm curious.
I'm just trying to find out from people who have read more on stuff like this.
>David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
>your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
>love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
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7305 | From: awelker@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (a welker)
Subject: Aftermarket exhausts for BMW 320i
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 14
I am in the process of looking for a half decent aftermarket sport exhaust
for my 1981 BMW 320i. So far, I have found a Pacesetter exhaust for $219
and an Ansa exhaust for $190 (Canadian funds). I was wondering if anyone
could tell me anyhting about either of these exhausts or any other possible
exhausts that I may be interested in. My main priorities are a decent horse
power increase (5-30%) and a nice low note to go along with that added power.
I was also thinking of looking into both Remus and Leistritz exhausts.Has
anyone got anything to say about these? I am mainly looking for the muffler
only but if anyone can find a good deal on a whole kit I would be willing to
go after that. I also would like to know how much these would cost me in the
States.Please mail me back if you have any information.
Mike Welker
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7306 | From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis)
Subject: Re: more on radiosity
Organization: National Technical University of Athens
Lines: 34
amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) writes:
>In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes:
>>
>>
>>In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write:
>>|>
>>|>
>>|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++.
>>|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute
>>|> I finished it.
>>|>
>>|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least)
>>|> to finish it.
Please note that there are some radiosity packages in my Resource Listing
(under the Subject 3: FTP list)
Greetings,
Nick.
--
Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece
HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr
Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis
Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578
USENET Editor of comp.graphics Resource Listing and soc.culture.greece FAQ
NTUA/UA ACM Student Chapter Chair - we're organizing a small conference
in Comp. Graphics, call if you're interested to participate.
--
Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece
HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr
Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis
Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578
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7307 | From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight
Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 38
mattb@hawk.samsung.com (Matt Brown) writes:
[more about the Messier-Samuelsson incident]
>While this is true, strictly speaking, it was the Rocksteady replicant who
>initially used his stick illegally to measure Messier's ribcage. There is no
>question in my mind, from seeing the replay in slo-mo, that Ulf-2000 was
>coming at Messier with intent-to-"hasta la vista" in mind, and should have
>been gone for that.
>
I agree with Rick that Ulf's cross check wasn't illegal. It was the kind
of check you see a dozen times during a game without being called. Slo-mos
sometimes have a tendency to make things look worse than they really are.
Besides, if Messier can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen.
>So Staffan, how is Mattias Timmander doing this year? And any impression
>on Markus Czeriew??? (lost my roster list) on Hammerby? Does it look like
>they will make it to the Eliteserien for next year? And then get stomped
>if Markus goes to Boston?
>
Well Matt, Mattias Timmander hasn't been playing with the MoDo elite league
team yet (just the MoDo junior team), so I predict he needs a few more years
here before he can join the B's. I saw him play in the Swedish championship
game for junior players this year, and he played very well, a physical game,
but not the kind of rough stuff that Ulfie does (I suspect you would like to
have a Ulf type-of-player on the B's team too? :)
As for Mariusz Czerkawski, he has had a *great* season for Hammarby in
division 1. He scored -if I remember correctly- 93 points this season,
and then we have to keep in mind that a 50+ point season in Sweden is
considered *very good* due to the limited number of games. Mariusz is
Djurgarden property (he was just on loan to Hammarby), so he will play
in Elitserien next season, unless the B's can get him of course.
I would say that Mariusz has to be one of the most exciting player to
watch in Swedish hockey this season.
Staffan
--
((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson
\\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey
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7308 | From: Patrick Walker <F1HH@UNB.CA>
Subject: Did you really expect Toronto to go anywhere? REALLY!
Lines: 13
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Detroit is a very disciplined team. There's a lot of Europeans
in Detroit which would make the game fast, so Toronto would have
to slow the game down, which means drawing penalties, as a last
resort anyway. Toronto will be a good team as soon as they get
more good players. Toronto is just an average team, Detroit isn't
Ballard screwed Toronto when he was owner. Everyone knows that.
and it's going to take time for Toronto to become a real force.
I expect Gilmour to be burnt out next year. He can't pull the
whole team forever.
Patrick Walker
University of New Brunswick
|
7309 | From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 16
Bill Gripp writes
>>Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have
>>with weapons.
>FYI, these people were not "followers of Christ". David Koresh was
>their messiah.
ok, but didn't Jesus figure somewhere into their beliefs? Anyway, my
original question regarding christians and weaponry still stands.
--
Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!
Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...
University of Virginia | Companion keyboard.
pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho
|
7310 | From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details
Lines: 8
The protocol/key-management description published so far is either
incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system
would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that
we get full details.
Wouldn't it be easier just to ask denning@cs.georgetown.edu? ;-)
G
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7311 | From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 12
NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu
If gamma ray bursters are extragalactic, would absorption from the
galaxy be expected? How transparent is the galactic core to gamma
rays?
How much energy does a burster put out? I know energy depends on
distance, which is unknown. An answer of the form _X_ ergs per
megaparsec^2 is OK.
--
John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
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7312 | From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD, PART-3
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: usa
Lines: 87
DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 3
D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an
Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of
Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor
VOL 1, No 11, Part 3
------------------------------------------------------------------
NINETEENTH LETTER
MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI
A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW, Part 3
(continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 2)
THIRD SIGN: The miracles of Muhammad (SAW)
are extremely varied. Because his messengership is
universal, he has been distinguished by miracles that
relate to almost all species of creation.
Just as the supreme aide of a renowned ruler, arriving
with many gifts in a city where various people live, will be
welcomed by a representative of each people who
acclaims him and bids him welcome in his own language
so, too, when the supreme messenger of the Monarch of
Pre- and Post-Eternity (Ezel and Ebed Sultani) honored the
universe by coming as an envoy to the inhabitants of the
earth, and brought with him the light of truth and spiritual
gifts sent by the Creator of the universe and derived from
the realities of the whole universe, each species of
creation -from water, rocks, trees, animals and human
beings to the moon, sun and stars- welcomed him and
acclaimed his prophethood, each in its own language, and
each bearing one of his miracles.
Now it would require a voluminous work to mention all
his miracles. As the punctilious scholars have written
many volumes concerning the proofs of His prophethood,
here we will briefly point out only the general category
into which fall fhe miracles that are definite and accepted
as accurate reports.
The evidences of the prophethood of Muhammad
(SAW) fall into two main categories:
The first is called irhasat and includes the paranormal
events that happened at the time of his birth, or before his
declaration of prophethood.
The second group pertains to all the remaining evidences
of the prophethood, and contains two subdivisions:
1) Those wonders that were manifested after
his departure from this world in order to confirm his
prophethood, and
2) Those that he exhibited during the era
of his prophethood. The latter has also two parts:
2.1) The evidences of his prophethood that became manifest
in his own personality, his inner and outer being, his moral
conduct and perfection, and
2.2) The miracles that: related to substantial matters.
The last part again has two branches:
2.2.1) Those concerning the Qur'an and spirituality, and
2.2.2) Those relating to matter and creation. This last
branch is again divided into two categories:
2.2.2.1) The first involves the paranormal happenings
that occured during his mission either to break the
stubbornness of the unbelievers, or to augment the
faith of the belivers. This category has twenty different
sorts, such as the splitting of the moon, the flowing of
water from the fingers, the satisfying of large numbers with
a little food, and the speaking of trees, rocks and animals
Each of these sons has also many instances, and thus
has, in meaning, the strength of confirmation by
consensus.
2.2.2.2) As for the second category, this
includes events lying in the future that occured as he had
predicted upon Allah (SWT)'s instructions. Now starting
from the last category, we will summarize a list of them.(1)
(1) Unfonunately, I could not write as I had intended
without choice, I wrote as my head dictated, and I could
not completely conform to the order of this classification.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
To be Continued Allah Willing.
Irfan Alan, A Servant of Islam.
|
7313 | From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES NISSAN
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Lines: 12
Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says:
>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone
>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks!
>
You must be _incredibly_ bored. Have you considered reading the phone book?
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
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7314 | From: vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Panic Disorder - more success stories
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
Lines: 32
I posted this to sci.psychology on April 3, and after seeing
your post here on panice disorder thought it would be
relevant.
-----
My research indicates that two schools of thought exist.
the literature promoting medication says it's the superior
treatment. Not surprisingly, literature promoting cognitive
therapy also claims to be superior.
What are the facts? Early in my research I didn't have a
bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy. I
was interested in a treatment that worked. After reading
journals published after 1986, the cognitive therapy camp
claims a higher success rate (approx 80%), a lower drop-out
rate, and no side effects associated with medication.
Lars-Goran Ost published an excellent article titled
"Applied Relaxation: Description of a coping technique and
a review of controlled studies." This is from Behav. Res. Ther.,
vol. 25, no. 5, pp. 397-409, 1987. The article provides
instructions on how to perform applied relaxation (AR).
Briefly, you start with two 15 minute sessions daily, and
progress in 8-12 weeks to performing 10-15 thirty second sessions
daily.
I'll snail mail this article to anyone interested (USA only please;
International please pay for postage).
Mark
vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
|
7315 | From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: Word processing utilities for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
Lines: 60
These word processing utilities all include complete printed
manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less
than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest
mail-order price around.
* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR WINDOWS, top-rated grammar checker, helps
you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage
mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45.
* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR DOS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you
improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage
mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45.
* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR WINDOWS 2.0, top-notch grammar
checker, from WordStar, list $119, sale $45.
* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR DOS 4.0, top-notch grammar checker,
from WordStar, list $99, sale $40.
* CORRECT WRITING 1.0 FOR WINDOWS, online writing manual
from WordStar with tips about correct use of punctuation,
capitalization, compound words, numerals, bibliographies,
footnotes, and more, list $59, sale $25.
* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS
FOR WINDOWS 1.0, unlike spell checkers provides online
definitions when you're not sure of a word's meaning, also
has larger thesaurus than most word processors for finding
just the right word, list $119, sale $55.
* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS
FOR DOS 1.2, same functionality as Windows version, list
$119, sale $55.
* WORD FINDER PLUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, huge online thesaurus
with more than one million synonyms, list $59, sale $25.
* RANDOM HOUSE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR DOS 1.02, online encyclopedia
that you can use without needing a CD-ROM drive, easier to
use and less expensive than a book-based encyclopedia, takes
5.5 MB of hard disk space, list $119, sale $55.
* HEADLINER 1.5, DOS-based database of great advertising and
other headlines, proverbs, idioms, song titles, movie titles,
and so on, great for advertising copywriters, newspaper
editors, and, others trying to come up with catchy phrases,
list $195, sale $90.
* WRITER'S TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS 2.0, amazing collection of
seven different word processing utilities in one package,
includes encyclopedia, great quotations, dictionary of
abbreviations, dictionary with definitions, thesaurus, usage
guide, and grammar checker, list $129, sale $65.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
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7316 | From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
In-Reply-To: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
<1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com>
<1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
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Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
Just curious.
I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the
split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us
who are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news
groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem
with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time
on this as it is.
-david
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7317 | From: sknapp@iastate.edu (Steven M. Knapp)
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 16
In article <oxenreid.734127163@chaos.cs.umn.edu> oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes:
>In <1993Apr06.173031.9793@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes:
>
>>So, the questions are -
>> Are any brands "quieter" than others?
Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector
detectors. ;-)
Look in Car and Driver (last 6 months should do), they had a big
review of the "better" detectors, and stealth was a factor.
________________________________________________________________________
Steven M. Knapp Computer Engineering Student
sknapp@iastate.edu President Cyclone Amateur Radio Club
Iowa State University; Ames, IA; USA Durham Center Operations Staff
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7318 | From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Lines: 22
In article <AHALL.93Apr5132130@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:
>In article <C4rvnz.6wE@unx.sas.com> sasjhc@maxwell.unx.sas.com (Joe Croos) writes:
>
> |> yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes:
> |>
> |> > MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45
> |> > (opened, unregistered)
> |>
> |> Gee, my copy of PC Magazine states that the upgrade is retailing for $49.99...
>
> Egghead, across the street, sells it for $47.49 and I'm going that way
> after work :->
>
>CompUSA has it for 38.xx, in Boston.
I will sell it for $33 including shipping...
--
Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR | -Jackson Brown
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7319 | From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 15
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) says:
>... or consider the thousands in Central America killed by those brave
>CIA/NSC sponsored "Freedom Fighters."
>
>Thus far, Slick Willie is a piker.
ONLY if you weight Americans equal to SAlvadorans.
I don't.
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7320 | Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner)
Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 58
Jason Kratz (U28037@uicvm.uic.edu) writes:
> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says:
> >Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> >
> >Don't be silly. Of course you can. The police have everything
> >the gangs have and then some. Plus they've got access to the
> >National Guard (via the Governor) if things get too rough. That's
> >tanks for those of you who've never seen them at play. Of course,
> >they've got rifles and helicopters.
> >
> >And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better
> >armed if you want to hit what you aim at.
>
> What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally
> blown out of proportion. In my post I was referring to your
> regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs. gang
> members. Of course the police have access to the things that you
> mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time? Of
> course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every
> day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The
> majority that I see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there
> is anything wrong with a revolver but if you're a cop that is up
> against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat (I
> mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a disadvantage even
> with training.
how so? i think you're making assumptions here that might not
necessarily be true. -my- personal choice would be a semi-auto, but
revolvers are just as effective, if not more so.
> I have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were
> "practicing" shooting. They were actually practicing taking out
> their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they
> weren't doing too badly either.
relevancy, please? you sound shocked, but that hardly proves anything.
> The University cops here (who are are state cops) are armed better
> than the Chicago police. It seems most state cops are. I don't
> know where you are originally from David but you live in Tennesse
> and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in
> the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here
> than there.
wait, doesn't Chicago have -serious- gun control? if so, why do the
police need all that firepower in the first place? (sarcasm alert)
all the patrol cars i've seen around here have shotguns clamped to
the dash board. IMHO, that's all the police need to outgun just about
anything.
jason
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`,` The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data `,`
`,` is Life -- The Player's Litany, from _The Long Run_ by D.K. Moran `,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`
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7321 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <<Pompous ass
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they
>>>should not have available to use.
>>It is worse than others?
>Worse? Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the
>rules the US govt. supposedly follows.
Oh?
>>>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read:
>>> "In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"
>>Would you approve of such a motto?
>No. ...not unless the only way to get rid of the current one
>was to change it to such as that.
What is wrong with *this* motto, now? If you wouldn't approve of
even that one, I am beginning to think that you just have something
against mottos in general. What do you think of "E plurbis unum?"
keith
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7322 | From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ)
Subject: Re: 3.5 floppy only reads what IT wrote
Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz
Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald <n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Lines: 31
In article <1434@netxcom.netx.com>, pdressne@netxcom.netx.com (Peter
Dressner) writes:
> I have a Gateway with a 3.5 floppy. The drive only reads files it
> wrote to the floppy. Floppies that have been formatted and
> contain files from other machines are unreadable. Also, 3.5 floppies
> that were written by this defective floppy drive a long time ago are
> also unreadable.
>
> This sounds like a head alignment problem.
Too right it does!
> ... How does one go about
> fixing it? Are there alignment screws that you can adjust?
The --VERY VERY FIRST-- thing you do is make sure that --ALL-- files on
the floppies that you can currently read in the drive, which aren't
already on your HD or another floppy (if you have -two- floppy drives)
get copied to your HD (and/or to a floppy in your other drive).
If you don't do this before fixing the alignment problem you have kissd
those files goodbye. (Well, you can -try- to re-misalign the drive back
to read your floppies, but don't count on be able to do so!)
Generally, head alignment is something I'd only trust to a good repair
shop (though there are/have been DIY guides).
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z.
n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332
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7323 | Subject: Music for sale...
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.)
Reply-To: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.)
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu
Lines: 23
THe following listed tapes are priced to sell. A friend of mine wants
to get rid of them, so let's just have some bids, why don't we?
All Are Tapes, BTW.
AC/DC Back in Black good condition
Razor's edge excellent
Poison Open up and... Excellent
Flesh & Blood Excellent
Guns & Roses Appetite for Destr.. Fair
Use your Ill. #1 good
USe your Ill. #2 good
Skid Row Bside ourselves Tape OK, Case cracked
Slave to the grind excellent
Jackyl Jackyl Excellent
Bon Jovi Keep the Faith(single) Excellent
THis is for her, not for me...
Jason
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7324 | From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 34
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says:
>Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
>: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
>
>: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
>
>The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
>nowhere, you can eat them.
And they're rather tasty.
> Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
>
Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount
every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they
die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder
Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes.
I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count
insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than
she is. And having more fun (IMHO).
>
>
--
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
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7325 | From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger)
Subject: Re: TIGERS
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu
Originator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU
ALL I CAN SAY IS
G O T I G E R S!!!!!!
--
------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------
| |
| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! |
-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------
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7326 | From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner)
Subject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research
Lines: 4
My CorelDRAW 3.0.whatever write SCODL files directly. Look under File|Export
on the main menu.
Rick
|
7327 | From: ian@csc.liv.ac.uk (Ian Finch)
Subject: Which X events are generated on application exit?
Organization: Knee Deep in Sky High
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: rib.csc.liv.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
I'm writing an application running under X (using Motif), and I need to do
some stuff when the application quits. Now, when I shut down my X Windows
session, it doesn't seem to send a SIGTERM (or whatever) signal to my
application (I'm trapping various signals like that). Therefore, I thought
I could use an X signal to check for my top level window being destroyed.
However I seem to get DestroyNotify events whenever I move windows. Is
there any way for me to check that the window is actually being destroyed
(some field to check or some combination of events?).
Replies by e-mail please and I will summarise.
Thanks for any help,
Ian
--
// //
// ian@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk //
// //
|
7328 | From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Antifreeze/coolant
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 12
For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe
coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
(Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...)
Thanks,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
|
7329 | From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: Blood Cholesterol - Gabe Mirkin's advice
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35
Lines: 29
In article <1pka0uINNnqa@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
|> Forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors.
|> Instead, use a relationship between LDL and HDL cholesterol:
|>
|> If your LDL is You need an HDL of at least
|>
|> 90 35
|> 100 45
|> 110 50
|> 120 55
|> 130 60
|> 140 70
Gee, what do I do? My LDL is only 50-60. (and my HDL is only 23-25)
I must be risking something, but Is it the same risk as those with
very high LDL?
|> If your triglycerides are above 300, and your HDL is below 30, the
|> drug of choice is gemfibrozil (Lopid) taken as a 600mg tablet
|> thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals.
What about exercise and a low-fat diet? What are the long-term
effects of this drug?
--
Doug Bank Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207
|
7330 | From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!)
Lines: 7
The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the
true position of reason in this group.
--
C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
+ but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
|
7331 | Subject: Re: Who picks first?
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr17.181421.14349@epas.toronto.edu>, sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) writes:
> According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e
> sweepstakes. They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals
> than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick
> first.....
If I'm not mistaken, San Jose had more wins than Ottawa. First tiebreaker in
the NHL is always most wins.
Alan
|
7332 | From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane)
Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis
Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 106
Okay, I'll bite. I should probably leave this alone, but what the heck...
In article <1993Apr14.124301.422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>In article <TT3R2B5w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> popec@brewich.hou.tx.us
>(Pope Charles) writes:
>
>>Rhoemer was the name of the guy responsible for much of the uniforms,
>>and props used by the early Nazis in their rallies and such.
>
>The name is Roehm, not Rhoemer. And Hitler does claim that he came up
>with the Swastika business.
But didn't he credit the actual flag design to a party member - some dentist or
other? I believe he gives such credit in Mein Kampf.
>>He was killed in an early Nazi purge. He and many of his associates
>>were flaming homosexuals well know also for their flamboyant orgies.
>
>I have been trying to find if there is any actual evidence for this
>common assertion recently. Postings to such groups as soc.history and
>soc.culture.german has not uncovered any net.experts who could provide
>any.
Well, I'm no expert, but all of the histories of Nazi Germany assert this. They
make reference to several scandals that occurred long before "the night of the
long knives". The impression that I got was that homosexuality in portions of
the SA was common knowledge. Also, a book (by a homosexual author whose name
escapes me at the moment) called "Homosexuals in History" asserts that Roehm
and Heines were homosexuals, as well as others in Roehm's SA circle.
>All the books say that Roehm and his associate, Edmund Heines,
>were homosexual. I have been able to find nothing beyond that, and
>suspect this to be a sort of historical urban legend.
Well, you're the one who is in Germany. If you don't believe the history books,
look up the primary sources yourself. Those of us outside of Germany do not
have access to these. You do. It seems to me that there were plenty of
documented instances - several scandals, the fact that on the "knight of the
long knives" several SA members (including Heines) were found sleeping
together, etc. Also I believe some people were complaining about the SA's
homosexual activities (seducing young boys, etc). The histories that I've
read make a very convincing case. None of this sounds like urban legend to me.
>(Irving, a
>notoriously unreliable historian, says that Funk, the Nazi finance
>minister, was homosexual. He gives no sources.)
I know next to nothing about Irving and nothing about Funk. What precisely do
you know, that would contradict all of the other history books that I have
read concerning the existence of homosexual Nazis? Are you trying to say that
all historians are taking part in an anti-homosexual smear? What about
homosexual writers who agree with the official history? Don't you think they
would have found out the truth by now if Roehm and Heines were not homosexuals?
I would think they would want to disassociate homosexuality from Nazism. No one
should use any connection between the two to bash homosexuals in any case.
>I challenge anyone to document this claim.
If you are going to challenge *all* historians on this point (not just Irving),
then the burden of proof is on you. Track down the references. Find out where
the stories originate from. Again, you are the one in Germany, close to
archival material - most people on the net are not.
>I *have* found a great
>deal of evidence that there were many flaming heterosexuals among the
>Nazis. This seems to include all of the worst ones--Hitler, Himmler,
>Goebbels, Goering, Heydrich, Eichmann, and many more.
Eh? What is your agenda here? To prove that the Nazis were heterosexuals, so
that you can bash heterosexuals? Does it bother you that some of the Nazis
might have been homosexuals? Does this make all homosexuals bad if this is
true? Of course not. And what about bisexuals? Are they half-Nazis?
I don't know why it would be so difficult to believe that some Nazis were
homosexuals. The German officer corps before WW1, for instance, was notorious
for its homosexuality. There were numerous scandals which rocked the German
govt. during the late 19th and early 20th century. Many of the Kaiser's friends
were prosecuted - the Kaiser was no homosexual, but the Germany army had a long
tradition of tolerating homosexuality, going far back into Prussian history -
back to Frederick the Great at least, who was himself a homosexual. Roehm was a
product of this Prussian officer tradition, and the old German army (like the
English public school system), being a well known center of homosexuality,
would have been quite willing to overlook Roehm's homosexuality.
In addition, some Nazis complained of homosexuality in the Hitler Youth. The
Hitler Youth swallowed up all pre-Nazi youth groups, and some of the various
pre-war Vandervogel, Bund, and Volkish youth groups were known to promote
homoerotic ideals and friendship, and in many cases, homosexuality itself. So
it seems to me not unlikely that there were plenty of homosexual Nazis,
regardless of the official Nazi dogmas concerning the "evils" of homosexuality.
Why should this suprise anyone? Homosexuality has always existed, in all
societies - it would be most unusual if the Nazis were an exception.
No, I don't have any sources for you, as I think the only kind of proof you
will accept would be citations from archival material, and I do not have access
to these. Nor do I intend to reread every book on the Nazis and on modern
homosexuality that I have ever read - I don't have the time. Nothing is
stopping you, however, from chasing down those sources. Until you prove
otherwise, though, I will stick with the established histories.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
"...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly
of us in days hereafter..." (Ezra Pound)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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7333 | From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: DeConcini -- ten years ago and today
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 120
Dennis Deconcini, 1982
...In these and similar areas, the
Bureau has violated not only the dictates of common sense, but of 5
U.S.C. Sec 552, which was intended to prevent "secret lawmaking" by
administrative bodies.
These practices, amply documented in hearings before this Sub-
committee, leave little doubt that the Bureau has disregarded
rights guaranteed by the constitution and laws of the United
States.
It has trampled upon the second amendment by chilling exercise
of the right to keep and bear arms by law-abiding citizens.
It has offended the fourth amendment by unreasonably search-
ing and seizing private property.
It has ignored the Fifth Amendment by taking private property
without just compensation and by entrapping honest citizens with-
out regard for their right to due process of law.
The rebuttal presented to the Subcommittee by the Bureau was
utterly unconvincing. Richard Davis, speaking on behalf of the
Treasury Department, asserted vaguely that the Bureau's priorities
were aimed at prosecuting willful violators, particularly felons ille-
gally in possession, and at confiscating only guns actually likely to
be used in crime. He also asserted that the Bureau has recently
made great strides toward achieving these priorities. No documen-
tation was offered for either of these assertions. In hearings before
BATF's Appropriations Subcommittee, however, expert evidence
was submitted establishing that approximately 75 percent of BATF
gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens who had neither
criminal intent nor knowledge, but were enticed by agents into
unknowning technical violations.
( Exerpt from: 97th Congress; 2d Session COMMITTEE PRINT
T H E R I G H T T O K E E P A N D B E A R A R M S
REPORT
of the
SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
of the
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
FEBRUARY, 1982
Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary
U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
88-618 O
WASHINGTON : 1982
Letter to Constituent: April 1993
Thank you for contacting me regarding the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms (ATF), which is the Federal law enforcement agency with
jurisdiction over firearms violations and regulations.
It has been my experience as chairman of the Appropriations
Subcommittee on Treasury, Postal Service and General Government which
funds ATF, that ATF is one of the most competent and highly
professional law enforcement agencies in the Federal government.
The agents of ATF have proven their value again and again in
successful, legal operations to curb the unlawful possession and use
of firearms, especially in the area of drug-related crimes. It
enforces the Armed Career Criminal Act which calls for mandatory
minimum sentences for repeat felons using firearms to carry out an
illegal activity. The Bureau has made itself a key component in
preventing gang related violence, also, both by educating at-risk
youth to the dangers of gang membership as well a s by depriving known
gangs from access to weapons.
The Waco, Texas case involved the execution of search warrants by ATF
on the Branch Davidians for illegal firearms and explosives possession
(automatics, semi-automatics, and machine-guns, in addition to bombs
and other explosives.) In virtually every gun case, ATF is asked to
trace weapons through its' National Firearms Tracing Center, where
they keep all dealer and Federal firearms license information. ATF
is the Federal governments' firearms expert and routinely works with
state and local police to execute warrants. ATF, working with state
and local law enforcement in Texas and the U.S. Attorneys' office
felt it was necessary to execute these warrants in order to legally
establish that a crime had been committed and conclude a long and
thorough investigation of illegal gun and explosives held by members
of the Branch Davidians. In addition, ATF carefully selected a
Sunday morning, knowing from their source, inside, that the men would
be separated from the women and children and not in the area where
it was known that the illegal weapons were stored.
As you may be aware by now, Vernon Howell a.k.a. David Koresh
spiritual leader of the Branch Davidians was tipped of the impending
execution of the search warrants. Unfortunately, ATF lost the
element of surprise and the cult was able to arm themselves and
prepare for ATFs' entry into the compound. Once a hostage situation
presented itself, the ATF asked the FBI to become involved since the
FBI is skilled in hostage negotiations. In addition, and military
tanks were brought in due to the serious nature of the situation and
firepower of the Branch Davidians.
Based on what I have learned about ATF's role in the Branch Davidian
raid, I believe the agency acted responsibly. I am, however, deeply
saddened by the loss of lives of the 4 law enforcement agents who
attempted to enter the compound and the civilian members of the
cult. I fully expect the Department of Treasury to conduct a
thorough evaluation with representatives from law enforcement outside
the Department to be headed by the Assistant Secretary for
Enforcement. In addition, ATF will conduct its' own review of the
Waco operation. I look forward to reviewing the findings of the
evaluators and hope this situation in Waco will be brought to a quick
and peaceful conclusion.
Sincerely,
Dennis DeConcini
Chairman
Subcommittee on Treasury,
Postal Service and
General Government
April 7, 1993
--
Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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7334 | From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Information on PC's LOCAL BUS specification
Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: local bus vesa pci
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr6.121757.19852@inesc.pt> jma@ingrina () writes:
[STUFF DELETED]
>-PCI (Intel) bus:
> -Its not completely defined (YET).
> -Some people think of it as a long term solution.
> -Larger fanout.
> -Not so cheap (complex chipset).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A friend who owns a company that builds clones shared with me the fact that
the PCI chipset is NOT expensive -- how about $12? Many money-hungry-clone
makers, no doubt, will attempt to price the boards high only because it's
new technology.
Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author
and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.
|
7335 | From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)
Summary: Promoting competition does not depend upon libertarians
Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc.
Lines: 60
Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com
In article <C5KH8G.961@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>
>[ These two paragraphs are from two different posts. In splicing them
> together it is not my intention to change Steve's meaning or misrepresent
> him in any way. I don't *think* I've done so. ]
>
>>As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face
>>is insuring that the "limited government" they seek does not become the
>>tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda.
>>
>>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any
>>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just
>>as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and
>>the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how
>>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human
>>condition.
[Patrick's example of anti-competitive regulations for
auto dealers deleted.]
>Here's what I see libertarianism offering you:
>...
>This does not seem to me to be a utopian dream, but basic human decency
>and common sense. A real grass-roots example of freedom and liberty.
>And yes, not having a few people acting as our masters, approving or
>rejecting each of our basic transactions with each other, does strike me
>as a wonderful way to improve the human condition.
>
> Thanks awfully,
> Patrick
Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As
I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of
eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers,
barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian
agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of
allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without
regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be
free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention.
(As some/many libertarians would argue.)
On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation
is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call
for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any
kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of
difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic,
to say the least.
I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education,
national defense or local police that suggests a "free market" can provide
a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives
than is provided through "statist" approaches. With some notable
exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile
analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians.
jsh
--
Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM
"One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh
the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
|
7336 | From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: VIPER
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 14
rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.
>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,
>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.
>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....
Vell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat? Or vas you muzzah in
der leefing room, vit you fazah?
M.
(Feeling a tad bit Freudian, doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic-ness
(some word) of the Viper)
|
7337 | From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Lines: 37
[reply to Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince]
>There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of
>CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the
>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the
>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome?
Yes.
>Have you used it for CFS?
It seems to work equally well for CFS, another hint that these may be
different facets of the same underlying process.
>Have you gotten good results with it?
Yes. The benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it.
Most of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low-dose
amitriptyline, daily aerobic excersise, and a regular sleep schedule
(current standard therapy). Because of the cost (usually > $150/mo.,
depending on dose) and potential for significant side effects like
corneal injury and birth defects, I currently reserve it for those who
fail conventional treatment. It is important that the person
prescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient
closely.
>Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in
>these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies.
As far as I know, I am the only person looking at it currently. I
should get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports. I'm not
an academic physician, so I don't feel the pressure to publish or perish
and I don't have the time during the work day for such things.
David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
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7338 | From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.)
Subject: Re: Astros Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Houston
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <C5HHwv.CvK@austin.ibm.com>, marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes...
>Keeping in line with the pessimists on the net, I'll hold off on the Astros
>being all the way back. They could indeed contend, but that would count on
> 1) Atlanta encountering some unforeseen problems, such as injuries or keeping
> up their early season abysmal hitting.
While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their
relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although
Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off
great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken.
Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is
unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to
suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation.
> 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup
> effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable.
> There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy.
> Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but
> he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway.
> Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him
> go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star
> closer to the minors in a pretty short span.
From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the
club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of
players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have
another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West.
lousey spring.
> closer to the minors in a pretty short span.
Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling
bullpen.
> bit of shakiness at the fifth starter slot (but that's basically normal).
> 4) Taubensee, Anthony, Gonzalez, and Cedeno fulfilling some hitting potential.
> Anthony appears to be about there, Taubensee's swing looks a lot better
> this year (solid knock against Expos last night), Gonzalez is showing
> some early power, and Cedeno still has the loopiest swing this side of
> Tim Wallach.
The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the
club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting
on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to
assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually
starts the season very strong.
* * * * * *
On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning
next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be
(blech..) traditional grey, with the word "HOUSTON" written across the
chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate
the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so...
I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound
horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They
may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of
wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it.
>end of the bargain (remember two years ago? a little relief goes a long way),
>then they COULD win 90 games. But, I doubt it. I'll project them at 85 wins.
>
>Astros fan since the days of Staub, Morgan, Jackson, Aspromonte, Dierker, ...
>--
>Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX)
>DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.
>INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189
Astros fan since the days of Ryan, Scott, Smith, Cruz, Davis, Bass, Hatcher...
--- --- --- --- --- ---
David S. Schwam
University of Houston
st1rp@jetson.uh.edu
--- --- --- --- --- ---
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7339 | From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Lines: 26
In article <C5rBHt.Fw4@athena.cs.uga.edu>
hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
>In article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
>>If it were a sin to violate Sunday no one could
>>ever be forgiven for that for Jesus never kept Sunday holy. He only
>>recognized one day of the seven as holy.
>Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says
>that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary.
>The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people
>to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not
>keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem.
>Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike
>(Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of
>food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.)
>>The
>>question is "On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the
>>fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"
>I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally
>irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says
>that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath?
Why are you running away from the word of Jesus? Has somebody superseded
the word of Jesus? If you don't follow the morality of the Ten
Commandments and the Law and the Prophets and the word of Jesus, whose
morality do you follow?
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7340 | From: loisc@microsoft.com (Lois Christiansen)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Lines: 37
In article <Apr.30.03.11.27.1993.10101@geneva.rutgers.edu> FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu wrote:
> This subject was beaten to death on bit.listserv.christia recently,
> until Madge stepped in and closed the topic. It has been discussed
> since privately in e-mail amongst their participants, and I've
> received some of it. A fairly large file (approx. 18 KB) of comments
> made on the March On Washington was among these. If it hasn't been
> posted here already (I don't know; I just scan through this
> newsgroup, as at 1200 bps, I couldn't possibly read it all), I would
> be glad to send it along. I believe that it would be of interest to
> people here.
>
>
> I hope that anyone who remembers seeing Rev. Troy Perry's
> "performance" at the 1987 March On Washington will see for themselves
> just how inconceivable it is to mix Christianity with homosexuality.
>
> Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com
You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals,
that are spirit-filled believers, not MCC'rs; before you go lumping us all
together with Troy Perry.
The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's
not asking us to change our sexual nature, but He is calling us to practice
the morality that He established from the beginning.
Isn't Satan having a hayday pitting Christian against Christian over any issue
he can, especially homosexuality. Let's reach the homosexuals for Christ.
Let's not try to change them, just need to bring them to Christ. If He
doesn't want them to be gay, He can change that. If they are living a moral
life, committed to someone of the same sex, and God is moving in their lives,
who are we to tell them they have to change?
That's my two cent.
God Bless You All
Loisc
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7341 | From: frankkim@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Frank Kim)
Subject: Erickson, Keith Miller?
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 12
HI,
I was just wondering if anyone knew when Erickson
and Keith Miller are expected to come back and what
exactly ails them.
--
Sincerely,
Frank S. Kim
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7342 | From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Distribution: usa
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
> Do I have to be the one to say it?
>
> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly
on my head otherwise.
> That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.
Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and
there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop
off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always
send it to be inspected.
I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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7343 | From: DMCOLES@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston)
Nntp-Posting-Host: nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University
Lines: 21
Non-smoking roommate needed
to sublet
1BR in 2BR carpeted apt.
in Evanston, IL
near the Dempster el stop
parking is available
Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils.
avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug.
(entire apt. available Sept. 1)
Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian,
non-smoking female who works at
Northwestern
No neat freaks please!
Call Denise (708) 491-7603 (w)
(708) 869-8307 (H)
dc@nwu.edu
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7344 | Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
From: "Casper C. Knies" <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 148
Isaac Kuo (saackuo@spam.berkeley.edu) writes:
#In article <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> "Casper C. Knies" <ISSCCK@BYUVM#.B
#>Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes:
#>As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous...
#>
#>Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri,
#>governor Boggs, issued his so-called "Mormon extermination order." The
#>only crime ("illegal activity") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was
#>their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still
#>allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri.
#>
#>I guess the Mormons "got what they deserved," because they refused to bow
#>to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This "disobedience"
#>brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from
#>their lands and settlements...
#
#It is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by
#"average" people, and that at the time, almost all Americans were pretty
#homogeonously Christian. It was largely the mainstream Christian's disgust
#at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred.
True, but that is exactly the "problem": the Mormon extermination order
was issued not just by a Christian, it was ALLOWED under the Constitution
of the United States, which was instituted precisely to prevent incidents
like this "order" from occurring in the first place... As I indicated in
an earlier posting, your "irrational hatred" is clearly evidenced by
individuals like Robert Weiss (who could have been Gov. Boggs' Lieutenant;
he would have fitted right in, drewling et al), and seems a modern-day
occurrence, based on results (slander, persecution, misrepresentation,
lies, denying Mormons representation in their own user group, etc. etc.
In intent and purpose, what really has changed?
#The situation is not entirely different today. Many irrational feelings
#and beliefs are justified through religion. I don't think most of them
#are started because of religion, but religion certainly helps justify and
#perpetuate prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification
#which discourages critical thought.
True, as evidenced by numerous examples, as I am sure you're aware.
#>In any regard, Mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities (and
#>I don't even discuss how Uthan's were suckered into allowing part of their
#>lands in becoming nerve-gas and atomic bomb testing grounds...) is far from
#>being trusted or righteous. Have things really changed for the better? I
#>may be a born cynic, but I have NO reason whatsoever that such has been the
#>case. In the early 1980s, I believe, the late President Kimball (lds church
#>leader) strongly protested federal attempts to locate the MX-"Peace Keeper"
#>missile maze from being built in Utah (yet another "inspired" decision from
#secular authorities). Fortunately, his opposition was influential enough
#for the feds to back off.
#
#Do you mean that the "secular authorities" are some continuous group of
#people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing/eradicating the
#Mormons? Do you honestly believe that the main reason for using Utah for
#nuclear testing etc.. was to "get them thar Mormons"? And what about the
#majority of Uthan's who aren't Mormons? You seem to be searching for enemy
^^^^^^^^
(Correction: the majority of Utahn's ARE Mormon (60-70% I believe, up to a
100% in many cities and settlements throughout the Western states.)
#conspiracies. It is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you
#badly must have been done primarily for that purpose.
What I mean is that secular authorities are to be watched, as we believe
that Satan has been given some power and dominion over the earth to divert
truth, judgment, and justice. In addition, we believe that the adversary
has power to influence the unjust and idolatrous (greed for money would be
a good example) in order to bring about persecution, war, oppression, and
evil combinations. As an intelligent being, don't you suppose that the
destroyer would yield his influence foremost on those with political power?
As far as Utah is concerned, what I pointed out were some horrible examples
of environmental nightmares imposed upon by secular authorities, which have
brought death, disease, (i.e. the "downwinders") and environmental contami-
nation. I am hardly "paranoid," I am just not "expecting" too much from a
secular government that may not share our values and faith, and which indeed
(as Gov. Boggs et al.) may be out to harm and destroy us. As a matter of
fact, prophecies in my church indicate that in future years, (global)
persecution against Mormons will so increase in intensity and scope, that
(paraphrasing) "all those who wish to escape persecution and murder must
flee to Zion." Zion (the "pure in heart") will be re-established in those
days, and it AIN'T our current secular authorities who will rule over it...
#>... David Koresh did NOT pose a great
#>threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation, and with
#>John, I too wonder who or what's next...
#
#I personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the
#life of even one person. Sure, he did not pose a threat to the security of
#this nation. But he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers. That
#much is definite.
Hmmm. "definite" by whom? --Until such has been established beyond reason-
able doubt, this alleged "threat" may have been less than the "threat"
imposed upon him and his followers by the BATF and FBI...
#>Who killed who? What constitutional right did the ATF officers have to
#>invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound?
#>What REALLY caused the "murder" of the little children? Could it be that
#>the ATF/FBI presence has any bearing upon the events? How would you
#>interpret the Mt. Masada events? --Blame the Jews? (What the heck did
#>the Romans do there anyway? What business did the ATF/FBI has in Waco,
#>Texas???) The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society.
#
#This is like asking who REALLY caused the deaths of the Israeli Olympic
#team in 1976? In that case, the police botched the job as well. But to
#lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible
#mistake. I think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case.
#Certainly, if David Koresh chose any peaceful option, the ATF and FBI
#would have complied. The responsibility is more his than the authorities.
Come now, at issue is in how much the authorities escalated an otherwise
peaceful stand-off: "let's get it over with, and "force" David Koresh to
come out???" --By gassing them??? Were they naive, or what? They played
right into the hands of an apocalyptic-thinking individual (he had prepared
his people for this eventuality for years), and not *one* firetruck or plan
was in place to deal with this scenario??? I feel that the authorities
had "some" responsibility to protect their own citizens, even if they were
religious zealots, and guilty of ... not paying a $200 gun license???
(Has the BATF become an extension of the local tax-collectors?)
#>David Koresh, no doubt, will be described as the "evil" guy (by the
#>executioners), while the actions of all those "valiant and brave" officers
#
#Characterizing the ATF/FBI as executioners is inaccurate and unfair. In
#order to be an executioner, the least one must have done is have the intent
#to kill.
Que?? --Intrusion into private property with semi's, loaded with life
ammunition, isn't that implicit "intent (or at least "prepared") to kill"?
I ask you, would the BATF warrant stand up in a civil court of justice?
I do not mind if criminals (such as dangerous drug lords) are brought to
justice, but escalating events to the point of allowing to, if not compli-
city with, the destruction of a people?
#--
#*Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * _____
#*"How lucky you English are to find the toilet so amusing.* ______//_o_\\__
#* For us, it is a mundane and functional item. For you, *(==(/___________
#* the basis of an entire culture!" Manfred von Richtofen * \==\/ \
Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet
Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu
UCS Computer Facilities
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7345 | From: jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust)
Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found?
Organization: Caltech: Pasadena, California, USA
Lines: 12
Distribution: sci
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
> If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next
>one should be called 'Smiley'.
Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt
object discovered last year, is known as Smiley.
--
Jeff Foust [49 days!] "You're from outer space."
Senior, Planetary Science, Caltech "No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in
jafoust@cco.caltech.edu outer space."
jeff@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov -- from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
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7346 | From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Subject: Royals
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Lines: 14
The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time.
When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front
from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and
all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely
doomed.
Other than that, I guess they're OK.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea Informix Software, Inc.
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
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7347 | From: bill@lhotse.hao.ucar.edu (Bill Roberts)
Subject: Upgrading PB170 Memory
Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303
Distribution: usa
Lines: 8
I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find
that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way
to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me?
I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting
to this group.
Thanks in advance,
--Bill
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7348 | From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.
Organization: Boeing
Lines: 9
I searched the U Mich archives fairly thoroughly for 3D graphics packages,
I always thought it to be a mirror of sumex-aim.stanford.edu... I was wrong.
I'll look into GrafSys... it does sound interesting!
Thanks Cheinan.
BobC
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7349 | From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 51
In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
>writes:
>> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come
>> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and
>> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed.
>> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to
>> give up and go for the trial he deserved.
>>
>
>Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.
Unworthy of comment.
>Humans died
>yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the
>actions
>they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them.
Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.
That is undeniable truth. My heart bleeds just as much as yours for
the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities
to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion
to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up
and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.
>You seem to say
>they got what they deserved.
I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in
more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they
wanted and put into motion themselves.
I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely
by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair
from the start.
>Jim
>--
>jmd@handheld.com
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
>that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
>"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
>in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
>WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
--
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7350 | From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Subject: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace)
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Lines: 85
Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands.
Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must
never forget...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal
>
>
>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem
have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past.
Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by
control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race
or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary.
>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'
>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on
>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its
>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a
>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of
>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the
>Middle-East in a graceful manner.
This is nothing more than Feisal Husseini's statement that the
Zionist entity must be disolved by forcing it to "engage" the
surrounding "normal" Arab society.
"a strong mixed stock", "integration of Israeli society into
the Middle East in a graceful manner," these are the phrases
of Nazi racial engineering pure and simple. As if Israeli
society has no right to exist per se!
>3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of
>financial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their
>point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People
>overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of
>human rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar
>Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he
>gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing
>assimilation of Jews in the world a <calamity>, comparable in its
>effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit
>either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see
>above)
"the continued existance of a specific Jewish People overrides
any other consideration, be it human love, peace of human
rights." Disolve the Jewish People and protect human values
such as love and peace; yes ve have heard this before Her Himmler.
Notice how the source of the problem seems to be accruing to
the Jews in this analysis. Ya, Der Spiegal ist a gut sourcen...
>5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to
>bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has
>merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than
>$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government
>and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the
>Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would
>suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable
>climate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in
>Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a
>non-segregated society in that worn-torn land.
Nice attempt to mix in a slam against U.S. aid to Israel.
>I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as
>well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful
>discussion and enrichment.
>
>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND
Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos
off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed.
-- Chris Metcalfe
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now we'll find out where you fans really stand...
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7351 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: CAN'T BREATHE
Article-I.D.: pitt.19438
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 33
In article <1p8t1p$mvv@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:
>
>Re: the prostate treatment is worse than the disease...In medicine there
>really is something histologically identified as prostate tissue and
>there are observable changes which take place, that whenever they occur,
>can be identified as prostate cancer. What if I told you that most chiropractorstreat Subluxation (Spinal Demons), which don't exist at all. Therefore any
>tissue damage incurred in a chiropractic treatment performed
>in an effort to exorcise this elusive Silent Killer, such as ligamentous
>damage and laxity, microfracture of the joint surfaces, rib fractures,
>strokes, paralysis,etc., is by definition worse than non-treatment.
>
>John Badanes, DC, CA
>email: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu
What does "DC" stand for? Couldn't be an antichiropractic posting
from a chiropractor, could it? My curiosity is piqued.
Prostate CA is an especially troublesome entity for chiropractors.
It so typically causes bone pain due to spinal metastases that it
gets manipulated frequently. Manipulating a cancer riddled bone
is highly dangerous, since it can then fracture. I've seen at
least three cases where this happened with resulting neurologic
damage, including paraplegia. This is one instance where knowing
how to read x-rays can really help a chiropractor stay out of trouble.
DO chiropractors know what bony mets from prostate look like?
--
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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7352 | From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
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Are you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator???
Who is forwarding them???
Is there a similar file being kept on Mr. Omran???
Salam,
John Absood
"Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a
meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by
a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter-
most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to
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7353 | From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance
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Organization: Calvin College
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>--
>H. Marc Lewis | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
>Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into
>marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I thought it was: "There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who
think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."
And then there's: "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who
like math and those who don't."
Obmoto: Michigan weather forecast for Saturday: high in the low 40s,
chance of snow flurries, showers possible. Enjoy the weather where you
are. Have a ride on me.
Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes. That is my 1974 Honda CL360.
=============================================================================
"That's the nature of being an executive in America. You have to rely on
other people to do something you used to do yourself." -- Donald Fehr,
executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.
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7354 | From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)
Subject: HR 1276 ("A gun law I can live with!" :-)
Distribution: usa
Organization: N/I
Lines: 115
103D CONGRESS
1ST SESSION
H. R. 1276
To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms
in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement
of such right.
=======================
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 10, 1993
Mr. BARTLETT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on the Judiciary
=======================
A BILL
To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and
to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and
to provide for the enforcement of such right.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-
tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the "Citizens' Self-Defense
Act of 1993".
SEC. 2. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND
TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF,
FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT OF RIGHT. -- A person not pro-
hibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm shall have
the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use fire-
arms in defense of self, family, or home.
(b) FIREARM DEFINED. -- As used in subsection (a),
the term "firearm" means a --
(1) shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of
title 18, United States Code);
(2) rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of such
title); or
(3) handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public
law 99-408).
(c) ENFORCEMENT OF RIGHT. --
(1) IN GENERAL. -- A person whose right under
subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring
an action in any United States district court against
the United States, any State, or any person for
damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as
the court deems appropriate.
(2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE AT-
TORNEY'S FEE. -- In an action brought under para-
graph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the
prevailing party, other than a State, a reasonable
attorney's fee as part of the costs.
(d) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. -- An action may not
be brought under subsection (c)(1) after the 5-year period
that begins with the date the violation described therein
is discovered.
------------------------ (end of HR 1276) ------------------------
Well, this sounds good to me. The key is Section (2)(c)(2), which
will effectively open up the Federal court system to all the folks
who can't afford to adopt an Attorney with whom to fight city hall.
All of you who've been saying "hey, isn't that illegal?" could just
go hire your own Attorneys on a pay-if-you-win ("contingency fee")
basis, and sue the bums ... :-)
What you can do now:
(1) Write your Representative, and ask them to co-sponsor HR 1276.
(2) Write Representative Roscoe Bartlett, the sponsor --
Representative Roscoe Bartlett
312 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
-- to tell him who your own Representative is, and that you've
asked them to join him as a co-sponsor of HR 1276.
(3) Contact Gun Owners of America --
Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place
Springfield, Virginia 22151
-- which has committed to lobby on behalf of HR 1276.
(4) For those of us with a RealJob (TM), find out how to reach
Representative Bartlett's campaign fund (I'm working on it)
and toss in a few bucks. You can bet your bippy that he's
going to be one of the HCI "targets" in the next election,
which isn't that far away (1994).
(5) Tell your family, friends, gun club, etc. Enjoy ... :-)
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7355 | From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: food-related seizures?
Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
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In article <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:
>>
>>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the
>>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains
>>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might
>>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.
>>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.
>
>Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into
>the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures
>why attending a "corn festival". We pumped her stomach and obtained
>what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals.
>After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as
>"acute corn intoxication."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???
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7356 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Keith IS a relativist!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) writes:
>Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human
>to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start
>posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute
>morality' blurb a few weeks ago.
Did I claim that there was an absolute morality, or just an objective one?
keith
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7357 | From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff)
Subject: Re: food-related seizures?
Lines: 24
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote:
:
: Once again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good
: to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any
: experience with this kind of thing. I know that members of the medical
: community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and
: foods play in our general health and well-being. Anyway, as you can
: guess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas
: anyone out there has. Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get
: across what is going on here.
:
:
I don't know anything specifically, but I have one further anecdote. A
colleague of mine had a child with a serious congenital disease, tuberous
sclerosis. Along with mental retardation comes a serious seizure disorder.
The parents noticed that one thing that would precipitate a seizure was
a meal with corn in it. I have always wondered about the connection, and
further about other dietary ingredients that might precipitate seizures.
Other experiences would be interesting to hear about from netters.
--
David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health
dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C
(617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118
|
7358 | From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen)
Subject: Re: Comments on the Koresh 3-02 Transcript
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
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Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Lines: 102
In article <1993Apr14.200259.20419@microsoft.com>,
iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes...
(stephen) wrote:
>>Correction to my prior post, proper citation is:
>>
>> Isaiah 30:26 -- Moreover the light of the moon shall
>> be as the light of the sun, and the light of the
>> sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days,
>> in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of
>> his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
>
>So we have to wait for the sun to nova?
More along the lines of Hebrews 12:25-29, I reckon...
See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they
escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much
more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that
speaks from heaven:
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised,
saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also
heaven.
And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of
those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,
that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably
with reverence and godly fear:
For our God is a consuming fire.
Or 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10...
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord
Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from
the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be
admired in all them that believe (because our testimony
among you was believed) in that day.
Kinda gives Flaming a whole new meaning, I reckon.
- < > -
The impression I got from talking with Livingston was that the coming
of the Lord, power-wise, is going to be something that those who are
unprepared can't handle -- kinda like overloading a fuse -- due to
guilt. Somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as
we know it. LF suggests that God doesn't want that and has sent Koresh
as a reminder.
Seems that those who have been purified through salvation, or that those
protected by the Seals, will be the ones who survive. And no -- I don't
have a good idea yet what "being shielded by the seals" actually involves
or how exactly it relates to salvation. (Other than it involves the
marriage of the Bridegroom and the Bride... for those of you Biblical
well versed.)
- < > -
Me personally, I'm totally 100% dependent on God through Christ, so
if God wants me to understand, good. If not, also good. If God wants
to save me, or dispose of me, that's great either way. Being born in
the Spirit, means being part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2), so
who and what I was, matters little. * What's important is loving GOD *
Come Nova, Nuke, or Apocalypse -- who cares? Satan might even be able
to pull off a pretty convincing fake. Big deal. Not worth fearing or
worrying about though, not before:
-* The Greater Glory of GOD *-
Maybe Koresh is right, maybe he isn't, and it should be interesting to
see the new message (or prophecy). The tour of the Bible I've taken in
studying the passages he points to in the 3-02 text, has been most re-
warding. But the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears -- which
is not yet clear.
Much much more important is "Charity" -- which by definition *is* --
Love for GOD
(I hope Dear Reader, you've taken all this as an expression of faith,
and not a statement of mere fact. Seems many folks get real upset at
reminders. ;-)
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-- J --
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| stephen
|
7359 | From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael)
Subject: Adobe Photo Shop type software for Unix/X/Motif platforms?
Summary: Searching for Adobe Photo Shop type software for Unix/X/Motif platforms
Keywords: Image Enhancement
Organization: n/a
Lines: 19
Hello,
I have been searching for a quality image enhancement and
manipulation package for Unix/X/Motif platforms that is comparable
to Adobe Photo Shop for the Mac.
I have not been able to find any, and would appreciate any
information about such products you could provide.
I would be particularly interested in software that runs on HP or
Sun workstations, and does not require special add-in hardware, but
would also be interested in other solutions.
Thank You.
Wayne
--
Wayne Michael
wdm@world.std.com
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7360 | From: SASTLS@MVS.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms )
Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com>,
dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes:
>
> The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to:
>1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might
> have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with
> it or actually having this disorder ) and
>2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated
> with seizures over the internet.
I tried to e-mail you but it bounced back. Please e-mail me and
I will give you someone's name who might be very helpful. You might
also post your message to misc.kids.
TAMARA
sastls@mvs.sas.com
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7361 | From: simon@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Saint Story St. Aloysius Gonzaga
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Lines: 113
Heres a story of a Saint that people might like to read. I got it from
a The Morning Star, and am posting it with the permission of the
editor.
Saint Aloysius Gonzaga
The Patron of Youth
The marquis Gonzaga had high aspirations for his son, the Prince
Gonzage. He wanted him to become a famous, brave and honoured
soldier. After all, he must carry on the great family name of
Gonzaga. Of course, he was to become far more famous, brave and
honoured than his father could ever have imagined; though not in
the manner expected.
Saint Aloysius' mother was a woman who received immense joy from
praying to God and meditating on the divine mysteries and the
life of Our Lord. She had little time for the pleasures of this
life. As Saint Aloysius grew, he began to resemble his mother
more than his father.
Saint Aloysius had learned numerous expressions from his father's
soldiers, but the moment he discovered that they were vulgar, he
fainted from shock. This shows his immense hatred of sin (What an
example for us of the contempt we must have for sin).
About the time of his First Holy Communion (which he received
from the Archbishop of Milan, Charles Borromeo, whom himself
became a great Saint), he con-secrated his purity to God and
asked the Blessed Virgin to protect his innocence for life.
He wanted to share Our Lord's suffering to show his reciprocal
love. He started by denying his passions; he avoided eating the
finest foods, wearing the best clothes, and would put pieces of
wood in his bed in order to mortify himself for the love of God.
While he was in his early teens his father sent him (and his
younger brother) to the court of the Spanish King, Phillip 11.
Obediently, he set out to make the best of it. He mixed in well
with the people of the royal court, for he was handsome, polite,
intelligent and always had something interesting to say.
Not long before this time, the great soldier-saint, Saint Igna-
tius of Loyola, had founded the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits)
towards which Saint Aloysius
-12-
began to have a yearning. When he finally told his father, the
marquis flew into a rage and forbade his son to become a priest.
After a short time, his father sent him to the great cities in
order that he be tempted away from the priesthood, but even
through these trials, Saint Aloysius grew in his desire for the
religious life and was strengthened in the virtue of purity.
The Marquis' plans were obviously failing, so he con-fronted his
son: "Will you or will you not obey me and forget this foolish-
ness?" "I will not, father," was the in-evitable reply. "Then
leave from my sight and don't return until you change your mind!"
With tears clouding his eyes, the Saint left the room to pray:
"Tell me Lord, what am I to do? Tell me! Tell me!" He knelt down
to flagellate himself as he had done several times before, but
this time he was seen. The onlooker rushed to the marquis. This
at last brought the proud man to his senses. "The Lord wants him,
the Lord can have him." He gave his consent for his son to become
a Jesuit.
After some years (at the end of the sixteenth century), a terri-
ble epidemic broke out in Rome. All the hospitals were full and
could house no more, so the Jesuits opened their own. Saint Aloy-
sius did all he could in the hospitals, particularly to prepare
the dying for a holy death.
Saint Aloysius himself contracted the plague from carrying and
nursing the sick. For three months he lay with a burning fever
and finally, on June 21st, 1591, he gave his soul to the Lord
while gazing at a crucifix.
Let us invoke Saint Aloysius as our patron and imitate him in his
humility, purity and confidence in prayer.
Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us.
- Brendan Arthur
Prayer is as necessary to a person consecrated to the service of
others as a sword is to a soldier
God Bless
From Simon
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7362 | From: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen)
Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors
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andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes:
>>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture.
>>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding
>>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is
>>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all,
>>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in
>>a 24 bit card. If
>>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow
>>or something and turn
>>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding.
> While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here,
>he's using a common misconception that should be corrected.
> Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color
>quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the
>human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities.
>The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on
>the brighter side and darker on the darker side.
>--Andre
Yeah, of course... The term 'mach banding' was not the correct one, it should've
been 'color quantization effect'. Although a bad color quantization effect could
result in some visible mach-bands on a picture that was smooth before it was
quantizised.
--
Henrik Harmsen Internet: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se
Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden.
"I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
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7363 | From: beb@media.mit.edu (Brian E. Bradley)
Subject: 2-gig Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive for sale
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive
internal drive, model M26525A
(uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card)
brand new, still in box, never used
only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs)
POSTED FOR A FRIEND. Pleade respond to:
jbredt@athena
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7364 | From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)
Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre
Organization: Intelligent Systems Program
Lines: 113
king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would
>still be living in the area, but by the same token it would
>never be "rebuilt". Obviously , if people are still there they
>would live in houses, correct? Their "nets" implies a fishing
>village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from
>its original position of stature .
Looking at [1] we find that during Roman times "Tyre vied with Sidon
for first place in the intellectual life of the period"; that Tyre was
the seat of a Christian bishop, eventually with 14 dioceses under it;
that "the most magnificent church of its kind in all Phoenecia" was the
basilica built in Tyre ca. 314; that Tyre was well known for its
exports of glassware, wine, white marble, and dyed cloth; that Tyre,
along with other seaports, "provided outlets for South Arabian, Indian
and even Chinese trade"; that Tyre had to accomodate its growing
population by "following a perpendicular, rather than horizontal, line
of growth" (because it was running out of land to build on); that Tyre
established colonies of its own. None of this sounds like a "small
fishing village" by any stretch of the imagination.
Centuries later, under the Abbasids, Tyre had "opulent and flourishing
bazaars" and buildings of 5-6 stories. During this period, Tyre was
"noted for its export of sugar, beads, and, as of old, glassware."
During the Crusades, Tyre was the second-most flourishing city held
by Franks. (There is a lot more, but I got tired of writing.)
In [2] we read the following description of modern Lebanon: "other
*major cities* in Lebanon include Tripoli, Sidon, Tyre, Baalbek and
Zahlah." [my emphasis] This source also discusses the impact of
the Lebanese Civil War, and the Israeli military actions (1978, 1982)
on the trading ports of Tyre and Sidon. It notes that after Israel's
withdrawel in 1984, "Tyre appeared to enjoy a revival of its local
economy."
If Tyre is such an insignificant little fishing village at present,
why is it always called a city (or, above, a "major city")? Why
does it show up on all the maps? When population figures for cities
in Lebanon are given, why is Tyre always one of the cities on the
list (even if the list is only a dozen cities long)?
[1] Philip K. Hitti, _Lebanon in History: From the earliest times to
the present_, NY, St. Martins, 1967.
[2] Federal Research Division, Library of Congress, _Lebanon: a
country study_, edited by Thomas Collelo, 1989.
>>In the early 1980's Tyre had over 22,000 people.
>
>So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000.
>Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards
>we are talking about a one-horse town.
A one-horse town? Sounds like a lot of work for one horse.
(Anyway, Tyre is connected by roads to the mainland. They
may even use cars these days. :-)
The 1991 Encyclopedia Britannica says "Pop. (1982 est.) 23,000."
Most other references give figures in the 14-17 thousand range.
(One atlas gives the population of Tyre as 60,000; the same
source give comparatively high figures for Sidon and Beirut, also,
so I doubt that it is a typo. Perhaps these were figures for
the cities and their surrounding areas.) I don't doubt that the
population of Tyre has fluctuated over the last few decades. In
particular, the 1982 Israeli military action hurt Tyre quite a bit.
>> After Alex the G it fell once more in the 1200's, I believe. What
>>other times did it fall that you were thinking of?
>
>To Egypt (250 bce); to the Seleucids (198 bce); Rome (63 bce); after
>Rome it fell to various Arab contingents until 1124 ce when it was
>captured in the Crusades; it was then recaptured again by the Muslims
>in 1291 ce and subsequently pillaged; then the French, Turks, British,
>and today, Lebanon.
I thought you were talking about times that Tyre was destroyed.
Don't most, if not all, of these apply not just to Tyre but to
the other cities in the area? Sidon, for example? Can you make
a case for Tyre having been singled out?
>>Well, it recovered enough to have a thriving commerce in the dye
>>"Tyrian purple" in Roman times.
>
>This is correct, but they were under Roman domination, and the
>majority of the created wealth was siphoned off. The prophesy
>hold true.
They had a good deal of autonomy under the Seleucids. From [2]:
Tyre "receiv[ed] the rights [of autonomy] from Antiochus Ephiphanes
and from 125 BC onward enjoy[ed] complete autonomy. She started a
large series of coins, occasionally in gold ..."
The descriptions of Tyre under the Romans don't seem to fit
your characterization, either. And under the Abbasids it seems
to have been allowed to flourish. I still think you are stretching
when you try to describe Tyre as having been nothing but a small
fishing village.
>Who is Josh McDowell.
A Christian apologist whose standards of scholarship are quite low.
He happens to quote the same source you quote (Nina Jidejian,
_Tyre through the Ages_, Beirut, Dar El-Mashreq Publishers, 1969).
The same sentence, in fact. He defends the fulfillment of the
prophecy using the same argument you are using, an argument that
I haven't seen in print anywhere else, which is why I jumped to
the conclusion that you were quoting Josh.
(I tried to find the Jidejian book, but it isn't listed in Books
in Print. Can you tell me more about it? Her descriptions are so
much at odds with everything else I've read; I'm curious to know why.)
dj
|
7365 | From: volkert@kub.nl (Volkert)
Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands
Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsh.kub.nl
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Anonymous,
I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50.
I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's
external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be
made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing,
but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that
faster...
I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times
as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)!
regards, JV
/////
name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ]
address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/
4847 hw teteringen _| |_
holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \
_____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__
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7366 | From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)
Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 18
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
>According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple
>Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only
>the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.
>
>Pete
I think you meant Quadra 800 ..... (but a Centris 800 probably
would be a real nice machine... :) )
But yeah, it needs 80ns not 60ns.
Joel
--
Joel Siegel <jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu>
"I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I
only know that I am called a feminist whenever I express
sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." -Rebecca West, 1913
|
7367 | From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: The lessons of the NAZIs Re: David Irving - Scholastic fraud
Lines: 112
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
In responding to the post below I have considered issues far outside the
scope of revisionism and principally have considered the political
implications of a racist ideology and its inevitable outcome. Thus it
is tangentially relevant to soc.history and alt.revisionism but I have directed
followups to t.p.m since it is principally consideration of the political
lessons to be drawn from the history of the NAZI party that I deal with.
In article <1993Apr14.121823.21851@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
|>As Dawidowicz points out, in "The Holocaust and the Historians," (Harvard
|>University Press, 34-38):
|>
|>"...the nadir in Hitlerology is reached by David Irving's "Hitler's
|>War."<34> An amateur historian, whose reputation as a German apologist and
|>as a writer without regard for accuracy or truth won him a measure of
|>notoriety, <35> Irving produced a 926-page work intended to show that Hitler
|>was kind to his animals and to his secretaries, that he was "probably the
|>weakest _leader_ Germany has known in this century," and that he did not
|>murder the Jews or even wish to do so, but that the murder was committed
|>behind his back, without his knowledge or consent."
Let us assume for the sake of argument that this was indeed the case? Does
this mean that Hilter would have been in any way less guilty of mass murder
because he aquiesced rather than participated as an active and ardent
supporter?
One of the important things to realise about the NAZIs is that the system
was far more evil than any single member. Once created the NAZI party
itself was a murder machine that would inevitably commit genocide, there was
noone within it strong enough to prevent it. Remember that Hitler did not
originaly lead the NAZI party nor was he particularly powerful within it
until his oratory allowed the party to come to power. Had Hitler reneged
upon the emotiaonal expectations which he had created within the ranks of
his supporters he would have been replaced as he had himself replaced the
old guard who he beleived were unable to grasp the intellectual implications
of their rhetoric.
This is why all parties that espouse NAZI style race supremacy ideologies must
be considered as dangerous and as evil as the NAZIs. The idea that one "race"
of people is inherently superior to another and that the greatest goal of
humanity is to achieve racial perfection has only one logical outcome,
the gas chambers of Auschwitz.
The NAZI party is not simply the tale of a supremely evil single man who
lead an entire country astray, beyond the evil of individuals there was the
evil of the system itself which was self generating and self perpetuating.
Hitler was an extreemly evil person who built his party arround an ego
cult centered on the demonstration of his own power, this does not however
mean that he was as entirely free from political constraints as he and
his propagandists worked so hard to assert. The myth that racism can
produce a strong government that can cure a nations ills must be
emphatically rejected. In the same way we must accept a distinction between
a govenrment that demonstrates its strength and one that is able to
govern decisively in the manner it beleives is best. I would accept only the
latter as a "strong" government since most displays of strength are made
necessary by an essential weakness.
It is important to understand that the NAZIs were not stupid nor were they
amoral in the sense that they lacked moral scruples. They acted in the
same manner as the Spanish Inquisition - murder and torture in the cause
of morality. The fault of the NAZIs lies in their axioms, not in their
logic nor in their implementation of those axioms. Thus all such parties
such as the National Front or David Dukes Klu Klux Klan front who assert
the truth of those axioms must be considered for what they are, advocates
of a system that would commit genocide.
The conclusion that Hitler was not only responsible but imensely evil is
inescapable from the historical record. It is important though to not let
the conclusion be reached that the NAZIs espoused a set of ideas that
were basically correct but had an unfortunate proponent. The evils of
the concept of race supremacy are primary. Although this most emphaticaly
does not excuse individual culpability this is nevertheless secondary.
No matter what the promises made by a racist, supremacist party upon
election those promises will be broken as soon as circumstances permit.
If this requires the replacement of the leaders that originally made
the pledges, that will occur. Hatred is a supreme justifier. It also creates
a dynamic of its own when those in government allow it reign. For many
in government politics is a method of providing a justification for
their own existence through a demonstration of their importance. A
rhetoric of hatred inevitably develops the question of action since the
continued existence of an object of hatred is inevitably a reminder of the
essential impotence of the politician. Thus we have the US raid on Tripoli
which has little purpose beyond a demonstration of power. It is important
to realise that there is no quantum jump between the politics of the right
and those of the extreeme right but a progression from the reinforcement
of popular predjudice to action being taken on the basis of that predjudice.
In the same way the extreeme left trace their route to despotism through
their assertion of the subjugation of the individual to ideology.
It is important though that in attempting to understand the dynamics
of political systems that this is not used to excuse the participants. The
leaders of a nation take on a supreme moral burden but not only do
so voluntarily are required to stive to do so. Thus to take on such a
task without a fundamental examination of the logical progression of
ones set of axioms to its conclusion in itself is a moral crime. Furthermore
in taking on such a duty one is obliged to put the interest of the whole
before personal concerns, even of personal security.
Although it was inevitable that a party such as the NAZIs, based upon hatred
and an idolisation of the symbols of power should have saught to commit
genocide it was not inevitable that they should succeeded. Each member of
the system had an ability to create a change within it that had a possibility
of changing the dynamic. Realising that the individual cannot hope to
control a system does not mean accepting that the individual cannot
affect the system.
Phill Hallam-Baker
Phill Hallam-Baker
|
7368 | From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)
Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
Lines: 76
Chris Faehl writes:
> >Many atheists do not mock the concept of a god, they are shocked that
> >so many theists have fallen to such a low level that they actually
> >believe in a god. You accuse all atheists of being part of a conspiracy,
> >again without evidence.
>
>> Rule *2: Condescending to the population at large (i.e., theists) will >not
>> win many people to your faith anytime soon. It only ruins your credibility.
>Fallacy #1: Atheism is a faith. Lo! I hear the FAQ beckoning once again...
>[wonderful Rule #3 deleted - you're correct, you didn't say anything >about
>a conspiracy]
Correction: _hard_ atheism is a faith.
>> Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the
>> extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people
>> unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of
>> his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can
>> anyone be worse than that?
>I will not explain this to you again: Stalin did nothing in the name of
>atheism. Whethe he was or was not an atheist is irrelevant.
Get a grip, man. The Stalin example was brought up not as an
indictment of atheism, but merely as another example of how people will
kill others under any name that's fit for the occasion.
>> Rule #6: If you rely on evidence, state it. We're waiting.
>As opposed to relying on a bunch of black ink on some crumbling old paper...
>Atheism has to prove nothing to you or anyone else. It is the burden of
>dogmatic religious bullshit to provide their 'evidence'. Which 'we'
>might you be referring to, and how long are you going to wait?
So hard atheism has nothing to prove? Then how does it justify that
God does not exist? I know, there's the FAQ, etc. But guess what -- if
those justifications were so compelling why aren't people flocking to
_hard_ atheism? They're not, and they won't. I for one will discourage
people from hard atheism by pointing out those very sources as reliable
statements on hard atheism.
Second, what makes you think I'm defending any given religion? I'm merely
recognizing hard atheism for what it is, a faith.
And yes, by "we" I am referring to every reader of the post. Where is the
evidence that the poster stated that he relied upon?
>
>> Oh yes, though I'm not a theist, I can say safely that *by definition* many
>> theists are not arrogant, since they boast about something _outside_
>> themselves, namely, a god or gods. So in principle it's hard to see how
>> theists are necessarily arrogant.
>Because they say, "Such-and-such is absolutely unalterably True, because
^^^^
>my dogma says it is True." I am not prepared to issue blanket statements
>indicting all theists of arrogance as you are wont to do with atheists.
Bzzt! By virtue of your innocent little pronoun, "they", you've just issued
a blanket statement. At least I will apologize by qualifying my original
statement with "hard atheist" in place of atheist. Would you call John the
Baptist arrogant, who boasted of one greater than he? That's what many
Christians do today. How is that _in itself_ arrogant?
>
>> I'm not worthy!
>Only seriously misinformed.
With your sophisticated put-down of "they", the theists, _your_ serious
misinformation shines through.
--
Bake Timmons, III
-- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life
than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)
|
7369 | From: wilkins@scubed.com (Darin Wilkins)
Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD!
Nntp-Posting-Host: renoir
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Lines: 22
>>FROM: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
>>The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
>>finished writing a sequel to the Bible.
In article <2944079995.1.p00261@psilink.com> "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
>Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already
>written the first of the Seven which was around 30 pages or so and has
>handed it over to an assistant for PROOFREADING!. I would expect any
>decent messiah to have a built-in spellchecker. Maybe Koresh 2.0 will
>come with one.
I heard he had asked the FBI to provide him with a word processor. Does
anyone know if Koresh has requested that it be WordPerfect5.0? WP5.0 was
written (and is owned) by Mormons, so the theological implications of
requesting (or refusing) WP5.0 are profound!
darin
wilkins@scubed.scubed.com
________________________________
| |
| I will be President for food |
|______________________________|
|
7370 | From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 7
In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>So is cocaine. What's your point?
That neither is harmful when used carefully?
|
7371 | From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992 -- Shortstop
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes:
>In article <steph.735027990@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701
>> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good,
>>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few
>>years may be a defensive liability.
>That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability...
Why? Do you suppose he's immune to the ravages of time? He's 37.
In a few years he'll be 40. He doesn't get to as many grounders as
he used to, and will get to fewer still as his legs go, as they do
on every human so far.
Remember: Willie Mays was a defensive liability at he end of his
career too. Ditto Mickey Mantle. Ditto just about everyone else who
played into their late 30's.
Roger
>Brett Rogers
>addison@leland.stanford.edu
>
>
|
7372 | From: "Michael T. Callihan" <mc5o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: "Full page" PB screen
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 31
NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu
Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to
ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a
marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at
this point. Well, my group's plan is to market a "full page" monitor
for laptop computers. It would be a third-party product to be installed
by authorized repair centers (like Newer Technology's PaletteBook
screen). The idea is that the screen would fold in such a way that you
would get twice the screen height of a normal screen (remember,
technical issues aside!). In fact, by adjusting the fold of the screen
and the monitor configuration, you could have regular OR "full" height.
The screen would probably be monochrome.
The motivation behind this is that laptop computers seem to be very
popular among business people. Business people also commonly use word
processing and spreadsheet applications for which it is very convenient
to see a large portion of the document. Because of the target users and
applications, color screens aren't really a neccessity. We could
hopefully keep the cost between $2000 and $3000.
Now, please don't write this off as completely ridiculous. I really
need some constructive feedback. So, if you would, please reply to me
via email and let me know:
1. If you would consider buying a "full page" laptop screen
2. How much you would be willing to pay for it
3. Any helpful commentaries on the idea
Also, if you take this idea and make a lot of money off it (doubtful,
but who knows!), please send me some.
Thanks in advance!!!
-Mike
|
7373 | From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Article-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52G2H.8uC
Organization: Villanova University
Lines: 6
Not exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird
bulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love
to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does
the speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?.
Bijan
|
7374 | From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: crappy Honda CX650
Lines: 24
Organization: University of Waterloo
Hi, I just have a small question about my bike.
Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to
think about my Honda.
She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike
week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and
was running only on one cylinder.
I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect
working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look
very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All
still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a
slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem),
but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for
this bike.
Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone
the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in
order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the
wear of my pistons??
Please send comments to
sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Thanks in advance. Stef.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stefan Ruhl
german exchange student.
Don't poke into my privacy !
|
7375 | From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)
Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
> er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you
>say they have a "history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]"?
I refer to the Federal law enforcement apparatus (which is ultimately in
charge of this) generally.
|
7376 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Their eyes gouged out by fascist Armenians: Armenian Barbarism.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 31
Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan :
"Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles
away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off...
'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to
Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one
truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their
faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."
Brian Killen (Reuters)
The Washington Times, 3/3/92
Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova:
"Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some
of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting
at them when they sought to recover the bodies."
Fred Hiatt
The Washington Post, 3/3/92
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
|
7377 | From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber)
Subject: Re: Ax the ATF
Organization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute
Distribution: usa
Lines: 64
A few comments on the ATF's botched handling of this case:
1. Attempting to storm the compound in broad daylight? The explanation
we were given (at least at one point) was that they thought the cult
members would be at religious services. My only comment on this bit
of idiocy is that if you're going to operate as a quasi-military unit,
you'd better understand basic military tactics. One cardinal rule
is that only a fool plans an operation where if one assumption is
incorrect, the operation will fail disastrously.
2. We were told that ATF got four agents killed because they were
outgunned, they didn't expect such heavy resistance. When
questioned about why such an overwhelming military-style assault
was planned, we were told that it was because the cultists were
thought to be heavily armed. Can you say contradictory? I knew
you could!
3. The BATF has had a bad reputation for years as a bunch of arrogant,
hotdoggers. I was talking to relatives a couple of weeks ago and
referred to them as a bunch of Crockett and Tubbs wannabes. I'm
more than ever convinced that's right on target. An anecdote not
related to the Waco fiasco is that apparently the BATF screwed up
some of the evidence in the World Trade Center bombing. There's
now an excellent chance some of the forensic evidence gathered by
the FBI will not be admissible in court. This is not hearsay. I
was told this by a relative of my wife's who happens to be an FBI
agent. His opinion of the BATF was, ummm, well, let's just say
uncomplimentary.
4. I have *still* not been presented with one iota of evidence that
the BD's had *any* of the alleged illegal weaponry which was the
reason for the raid in the first place. BTW, we're *still* hearing
this justification. AG Reno, on CNN yesterday, made references
to this issue, without any substantiation. She also waved around
the "He's a child abuser and we heard he was beating the children!"
flag. Sigh.
5. A point re the Feds in general: their handling of the whole siege
reflected a complete lack of understanding of the probable thought
processes of the cultists. AG Reno said they pushed the button
because they were afraid a mass suicide was in the offing. My
only comment on that is that if the cultists were that close to
the edge, what the hell did she think their reaction would be to
an hours-long assault on the compound where holes were punched in
the walls and CS gas pumped in? If I were a BD, I'd expect the
forces of the godless government to assault me at any time. In
that light, whether they torched themselves or drank Jim Jones
Kool-Aid is irrelevant. Also, look at how the siege was conducted:
Bright lights, loud rock music, cutting off communications and
other contact with the outside. All measures designed to make the
BD's feel more and more isolated and threatened. This might have
been a great strategy - if they were dealing with criminals. As it
was, it looks to me like everything they did fed into Koresh's
paranoid delusions.
--
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
Dan S.
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7378 | From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu)
Subject: Re: Bring on the O's
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Lines: 39
Distribution: world
Expires: 5/9/95
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Summary: Root, root, root for the Orioles...
I heard that Eli is selling the team to a group in Cinninati. This would
help so that the O's could make some real free agent signings in the
offseason. Training Camp reports that everything is pretty positive right
now. The backup catcher postion will be a showdown between Tackett and Parent
although I would prefer Parent. #1 Draft Pick Jeff Hammonds may be coming
up faster in the O's hierarchy of the minors faster than expected. Mike
Flanagan is trying for another comeback. Big Ben is being defended by
coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot, most came
in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half. This
may be Ben's year.
I feel that while this may not be Mussina's Cy Young year, he will
be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year
around August. I really hope Baines can provide the RF support the O's need.
Orsulak was decent but I had hoped that Chito Martinez could learn defense
better and play like he did in '91. The O's right now don't have many
left-handed hitters. Anderson proving last year was no fluke and Cal's return
to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant. The
rotation should be Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, ?????. Olson is an
interesting case. Will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get
three pop outs? You never know.
The way I see the AL East this year (with personal biases mixed in)
Baltimore
New York
Toronto
Milwaukee
Cleveland
Boston
Detroit
(The top 4 are the only true contenders in my mind. One of these 4 will
definitely win the division unless it snows in Hell/Maryland :). I feel
that this Baltimore's season to finally put everything together.)
__________________________________________________________________________
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|
7379 | Subject: help with internet!!!
From: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu
Reply-To: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu
Lines: 10
I know this isn't the EXACT right place to put this, but im desperate!
I'll be going home for the summer, and wont have direct access to my
VAX account....My problem is, i need a service that doesn't charge body
parts, vital organs, or my first born son, that allows me access to the
internet! All i really need is to be able to TELNET to my school account,
and from there I can do anything I need to do. ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!
Please! E-MAIL to DFMORGAN@acs.harding.edu
|
7380 | From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
>encryption.
True, but will traditional encryptions schemes, when further encrypted
by Clipper, be _more_ vulnerable to attacks such as partially known
plaintext?
-Thomas
|
7381 | From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Reseting LW IIg to factory defaults
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: orixa.mtholyoke.edu
I have a Laserwriter IIg that has disappeared completely from the
Network, i.e. it's name doesn't show up in any zone. (You can print
to it from it's serial interface, tho!) I have seen some discussion
here about changing the zone a IIg is in... including some PS code
that lets you change the zone. Is there maybe some PS code you can
use to have it go back to all its factory default settings? I have
a feeling that's what needed to heal ours.
--
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu | Vending machines SHOULD respond to a [finger]
South Hadley, MA, USA | request with a list of all items currently
--Unix is dead, long live Unix-- | available for purchase... -RFC1288
|
7382 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 26
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
In article <1993Apr21.150545.24058@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
|In article <C5sJDp.F23@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
|
|
|In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their
|cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO
|is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience
|base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as
|much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G
|range.
>
Alan,
don't forget, a HUGE cost for airliner developement is FAA
certification. the joke is when the paperwork exceeds teh weight
of the airplane, it will fly.
The SR-71, and teh X-15 both highly ambitious aero-space projects were done
on very narrow engineering budgets. Partly because they didn't spend much
on paper pushing. There is some company in missouri trying to
get funding to build light commercial transporters on a low cost basis,
mostly by reducing FAA certification costs.
pat
|
7383 | From: ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se (Cuyler Buckwalter 66678)
Subject: Re: So what is the fastest Windows video c
Reply-To: ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
Lines: 9
Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.ebu.ericsson.se
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.
In article 16APR199309101156@trentu.ca, ayounes@trentu.ca (Amro Younes, Trent University, C.C. #314, Peterborough, ON, Canada K9J 7B8. (705) 749-0391) writes:
>I have the ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO EISA version. I must admit it has
>received bad press but that was due to the faulty drivers it had.
PC Magazine seems to be impressed with the ATI card in their most recent
reviews. In the April 13th issue they rate the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
(EISA version) as their "Editor's Choice". They noted that the drivers
had improved since they tested the ISA version in January...
...Cuyler
|
7384 | From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Subject: food-related seizures?
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
Lines: 27
SP> From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)
SP> to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced
SP> a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted
SP> Flakes.
SP> Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had
SP> a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am
SP> When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for
SP> the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now
SP> after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even
SP> he is scratching his head.
There's no data that sugar-coated cereals cause seizures. I haven't
even seen anything anecdotal on it. Given how common they are eaten
- do you know any child or adolescent who *doesn't* eat the stuff? -
I think that if there were a relationship we would know it by now.
Also, there's nothing weird in those cereals. As far as the brain
is concerned (except for a few infantile metabolic disorders such as
galactosemia), sugar is sugar, regardless if it is coated on cereal,
sprinkled onto cereal, or dissolved in soda, coffee or whatever.
There was some interest a few years ago in aspartame lowering
seizure thresholds, but I don't believe anything ever came of it.
---
. SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
|
7385 | From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)
Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Lines: 28
bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:
>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics.
Actually, they're pretty worthless, if you want to evaluate players
with stats. RBIs and Runs Scored should be banned; all they do is
confuse victims of mediot brainwashing like yourself.
You
>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:
> The team that scores more runs wins the game!
> ---------------------------------------------
Uh, so?
You've just explained why we use OBP and SLG to evaluate players.
Precisely because the team that scores more runs wins the game.
Traditional baseball stats have gotten way too far away from methods
which enable fans to see who contributes to those runs scored - that's
where OBP, SLG, Runs Created, Linear Weights, etc. come in. These
simplify matters so that we can more easily measure a player's
offensive contribution to the team's runs scored.
Thank you for making our case. Have a nice day.
Greg
|
7386 | From: kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu
In-reply-to: roby@chopin.udel.edu's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 05:53:07 GMT
In article <C5rpoJ.IJv@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>
> Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set
> by cult members.
Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire
was deliberately set by cult members. Since the press was kept miles away,
we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's
claims in this matter.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin S. Van Horn | Is your religion BATF-approved?
vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu |
|
7387 | Subject: Is SMARTDRV.EXE causing bad sectors on my hd?
From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Lines: 47
I am having something very unusual happen. First
some background on my system. I have a Mitsubishi 63 meg Hard Drive,
and am running Smartdrv (the version that comes with Windows 3.1) on
it. I rarely use Windows. I use a program called Disk Technician
Gold v1.14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive. It works by
having a device driver detect whenever more than one read is
necessary for a file, or if there is anything else is wrong with it,
and minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting. My hard
drive is notorious for bad sectors. I usually end up with 8 new bad
sectors a week.
Here's what happened: I ran a program, and DTG broke in with
an Emergency Warning and recommended I reboot. It gave me this
message twice before the program was fully loaded. I exited the program
and did just this. DTG went through its bootup process, examining
for new errors etc., and a screen popped up and said something about
sectors for a brief period of time.
I then went back to the program, executed it again, and the
exact same error was detected. I rebooted and tried again, and the
same error happened again. So, I removed DTG from memory, and went
to the program to see if I could detect anything wrong. Sure enough
there was a number of read attempts. So I rebooted and reloaded DTG,
but removed the cache. I executed the program. No read errors,
either audible or detected by DTG. I quit the program, loaded the
cache, and ran the program again. The errors were detected.
Ok, so the errors are there, and DTG detects but doesn't fix
them, when the cache is loaded. When the cache is not loaded there are
no errors. So, to see if the cache was interfering with any other
files, I went into xtree gold and tagged all files, and searched them
for a random string (in other words, I wanted the program to
completely read every file on my hard drive). Before I got through
the c's DTG had detected at least six errors and recommended I reboot.
Does anybody, have any idea why Smartdrv is causing misreads on
my hard drive? Oh, there are exactly two misreads per file, and 1 in
about every 100 files are affected.
I originally posted this message to Disk Technician Corp.'s
system, but I figured someone out in netland may know enough about
smartdrv to help me out.
--
INTERNET: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
UUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jdriver
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
|
7388 | From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Subject: Membrane keypad with custom legend.
Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197
Organization: Texaco
Lines: 16
I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what
happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the
name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own
legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and
reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some
more of these critters? I've tried several places, but
none of them seem to have keypads which allow you to use
your own legend.
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
--
Larry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not
Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone
Voice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible
exception of myself.
|
7389 | From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU)
Subject: Re: Permanent Swap File
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc.
Lines: 26
In article <1qlja7$i6b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) writes:
>>
>When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about
>20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time.
>I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full
>and windows just took 4 megs.
One of the rules for a permanent swap file is that it must be contiguous
(non-fragmented) space. I suspect that is more responsible for the
difference than the amount of free disk, in your case.
>I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your
>permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs
>of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well.
>In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make
>the swap file any bigger.
>You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think
>that is what you said your RAM was.
It depends on what you are running. We had to increase our swap
file (I think it is now 20MB) when some applications couldn't
run without *everything* else closed.
--
Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com
Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP
|
7390 | From: langford@gems.vcu.edu
Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
Organization: Medical College of Virginia
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes:
> Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations,
> I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction:
> gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the
> issue as well as the First-Amendment side.
>
> Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu
>
>
Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument:
1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms.
2) Strong cryptography is "arms", according to the U.S. government (that's
why it's so hard to export).
Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography!
Q.E.D.
However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it
is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly
restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization?
(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too long
to start up. I would certainly join.)
--
| From the electronic desk of Bob Langford Health Sciences Computing
| 804-786-9843 (fax: 804-786-9807) Virginia Commonwealth University
| e-mail: langford@gems.vcu.edu [or] langford@vcuvax (for BITNET)
|
7391 | From: berryh@huey.udel.edu (John Berryhill, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu
Organization: little scraps of paper, mostly
Lines: 10
I think he means Girlie Photography. A good place to find it is in
non-descript little places that usually just say "Books" on the
outside of the building in black and white.
--
John Berryhill
|
7392 | From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma)
Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series
Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Lines: 38
In <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>|> In article <rudyC5Fr3q.1CL@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes:
>|> >In article <C5FMxD.2pM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:
>|> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for
>|> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as
>|> >>Alomar last year.
>|> >
>|> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count)
>|> >that you are basing this statement on?
>|>
>|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter
>|> last year.
>|>
>|> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E
>|> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19
>|> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5
>|>
>This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last
>year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga
>had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage
>for Alomar is OBP
Hmmm...what about walks and SB? Baerga got clobbered by Alomar in OBP and
beat him in SLG by a lesser margin. Even putting aside any other factors,
a player with a 51 point edge in OBP is more productive than a player with
a 28 point edge in SLG. The issue has been studied before, and I doubt you
could come up with any convincing argument the other way.
People see the batting average and the HR, but they don't really know
their value is worth unless they've studied the issue closely. The fact is that
Baerga ate up a LOT more outs than Alomar; while Baerga was making outs,
Alomar was drawing walks and being on base for Carter, Winfield et.al.
Gord Niguma
(fav player: John Olerud)
|
7393 | From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Subject: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Lines: 13
Coming from a long line of "hot tempered" people, I know temper when I see
it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is
when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic.
We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again
christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to
christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were
"spiritually hungry." Instead of answering questions with sweetness and
sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries.
You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm.
Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish.
|
7394 | From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)
Subject: Re: Mel Hall
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 26
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't
>with the Yankees any more. What happened to him?
>
> Doug Dolven
Mel is alive and well and playing in Japan. (The Yanks let him go because
he was asking for too much money, and because they thought that they were
going to get Barry Bonds, making Hall obsolete. Oopsie! Well, at least
they got O'Neill to replace the Mel-man).
--I'm outta here like Vladimir!
-Alan
============================================================================
| (Scene from "Real Genius" where Val Kilmer is trying to pick up a |
| gorgeous blonde) |
| Val: So, if there's anything I can do for you, or, more |
| to the point, to you, you just let me know. |
| Blonde: Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board |
| with your penis? |
| Val: Not right now, no. |
| Blonde: A girl's gotta have her standards (she walks away) |
============================================================================
|
7395 | From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen)
Subject: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf
Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr13.091859.29570@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>I didn't say every team MUST have a number of local players. Rather, the
>European teams should get the CHANCE to sign their top players before the rest
>of the league comes in. I agree that birthplace isn't that important,
>Dusseldorfer EG of the German league average close to 10,000 fans and they
>don't have a single German-born forward! Lion Milan made the European Final
>Four with fifteen Canadian-born players... But nationality is going to be an
>issue in Sweden and Finland, I think. We really need an issue preventing
>Lindros and Mario from ending up being drafted by a European team and vice
>versa. Player trades are a different matter - any player can end up anywhere
>after being drafted.
DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players
are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena.
My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list:
Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others)
Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim)
Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle)
Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere)
Italy : Milan
France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?)
Norway : (Oslo)
Austria : (Vienna, Villach)
Chech : (Prag)
Slovakia : (Bratislava)
Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg)
Great Britain: ?
Netherlands : ?
Petteri Kortelainen
|
7396 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Societal basis for morality
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 18
In article <C5prv8.5nI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike
Cobb) wrote:
> we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality?
> Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your "brother" and say that I was
> exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn't want
> anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don't follow your "morality" ?
Good statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact
social morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient
religious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single
denominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute
and objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have
this incredible talent of creative thinking.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
|
7397 | From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing
Distribution: na
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Lines: 37
In article <1993Mar31.181813.24122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1pcgv5$oj9@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>>Because I want to get the lowest price possible, it's called capitalism.
>>
>>I have news for you -- capitalism is the practice of maximizing
>>profits.
>
>Same difference, if you lower your costs you increase your profits.
>
>>Personally I'm not at all bothered by the Saturn pricing scheme. If I
>>don't want to pay as much as they're selling it for, I can go buy a
>>different car from a different dealer and they get nothing. That's
>>competition for you. If the dealer can be competitive charging what
>>they do and making that kind of profit, that's capitalism at it's best
>>and more power to 'em.
>>
>
>I'd rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the
>dealers.
Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation.
Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out
dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale
(ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops,
or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated
value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer
controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled
price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build
cars.
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
|
7398 | From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham)
Subject: Re: Some more about gun control...
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
In article <1qicep$obf@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
>> In article <1qhpcn$b12@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>> >As far as "John Q. Public with a gun," the Supreme Court has already
>> >ruled in cases such as US v. Miller (307 U.S. 175 (1939)), and US v.
>> >Verdugo-Urquidez (110 S. Ct. 1839 (1990)) that that is EXACTLY what
>> >the amendment protects. This interpretation can be found as far back
>> >as the Dred Scott case, in 1857.
>>
>> It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction
>> of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun
>> was not a proper militia weapon.
>
>No, they noted that no one had CLAIMED that it was a proper militia
>weapon (despite having been used in at least two wars). This was true,
>since neither Miller nor his lawyer appeared before the Court.
Did they or did they not sustain Miller's conviction? I don't have the
text of the case handy.
Yes, shotguns had been used in WWI, the Spanish-American War, and the
US Civil War. That was not in question. The possession of a sawed-off
shotgun was, i.e., a weapon altered to improve concealibility.
>> Therefore, US vs. Miller supports limited government regulation of
>> firearms.
>
>Don't go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by
>the consequences that you find at the end of it -- mainly, that the
>law-abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia
>purpose, from handguns to sawed-off shotguns and fully automatic weapons.
>That, in fact, is what this decision says.
You are free to produce evidence that I'm not willing to abide with
all the implications of this.
Just because I don't whole-heartedly endorse the NRA position does not
mean that I oppose the RKBA. This attitude is what makes the NRA
unpopular.
--
Stephen Graham
graham@cs.washington.edu uw-beaver!june!graham
|
7399 | From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)
Subject: WingCommanderII Graphics
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Lines: 8
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: antithesis.engin.umich.edu
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get more information about
the graphics in the WingCommander series, and the RealSpace system they use.
I think it's really awesome, and wouldn't mind being able to use similar
features in programs. Thanks in advance.
Daemon
|
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