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From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.044201.27457 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 In article <Apr.6.00.33.22.1993.26417@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about > those sort of things. > >but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty > funny things in his "shooting from the lip" columns... > >- bob gaj Y'know, if current trends continue, the Florida Marlins will be the first expansion team to go 162-0 and outscore their opponents by 486 runs. -- ted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail." standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal
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From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Lines: 63 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA Distribution: na In article <1993Apr18.022011.15502@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes: |>In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu |>(Andrew Molitor) writes: |>>In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com> |>>tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: |>> |>>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime |>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |>>Isn't this just a little melodramatic? |> |>Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming |>that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the |>University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated |>by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification |>file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a |>complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for |>Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no |>interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. In article <johnson.735025464@trwacs>, johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: |> A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly |>frightening significance. The comment was made that "In other parts |>of the world the Democrats [note the big "D"] would be known as |>Socialists" We might get further if we begin by accepting that the government really couldn't be bothered less about the political opinions of the right wing pro establishment types. Just about the only circumstances in which I could think that they would be interested in their political views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the socialists such as myself who have been persecuted. Now before people start asserting that there is no mechanism by which the administration can get their new chip adopted without legal force lets try thinking. In the first place the clipper chip must have existed for several years as a defense project. Therefore this is not a party matter at all. George Bush was in any case hardly adverse to tapping calls, he was chief spook remember. Secondly the govt can quite easily apply pressure. They simply "ask" their chums who they give huge defense contracts to (motorola etc) to be "nice" boys. After all Bill is giving them a nice little trade monopoly since the chips won't be avaliable to foreign firms. Thirdly the people who consider the Democrats to be socialist are not the same as the ones who consider socialists to be communist. People might know this if the US education system did not suffer from the Mcarthyite and Dewy version of political correctness - the sort with tribunals and show trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter. It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious. Phill Hallam-Baker Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: The quest for horndom Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: >>No laughing, please. I have a few questions. First of all, do I >>need a relay? Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should >>I get? Both horns are 12 Volt. > > I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure >these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the >cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat). Assumptions: 125dBA at one >meter. Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other >acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output >of 125 Watts. 125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps. > > Yes, get a relay. > > Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX). > >Later, I'll post a summary after I get enough information. I'll include tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg". Shouldn't monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes? Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black) Subject: Re: Realtime X-tensions Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA Lines: 19 > I am looking for information on any work that deals with real-time > support in X-windows????!! > Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information Concurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time extensions to the X Window System. RealTimeX is currently supported on the Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics accelerator. If you need/want more info, let me know. - sam black ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once you remove the absurdity from human existence, there isn't much left. __________ / _______/__ /__/______/ / black@westford.ccur.com Concurrent /_________/ Computer Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: XAllocColor fails to return nearest match Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article 54297@slate.mines.colorado.edu, agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) writes: >[posted for a friend] > >Okay, I looked through the FAQs and didn't see this, but I know its >come up before... > >XAllocColor is supposed to do the following in order: > Try to find an exact match read-only color cell. (within hardware limits) > Try to allocate a read-only colorcell and set it to match. > and when all else fails, > Return the colorcell with the best match from the read-only colors > already allocated in the colormap. Where did you hear this? If it is printed in a book somewhere, throw away the book. According to the MIT specs, only the first 2 are true. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com
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From: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw ("By SWH ) Subject: How Redirect PRINT MANAGER To FILE? Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 Hello, Who can tell me Where can I find the PD or ShareWare Which can CAPTURE windows 3.1's output of printer mananger? I want to capture the output of HP Laser Jet III. Though the PostScript can setup to print to file,but HP can't. I try DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in Windows 3.1 Thankx for any help.... -- Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw English Name: Erik Wang Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C.
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner Summary - April 3, 1993 Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 53 allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly, but he's more-or-less harmless. On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of good taste: >According to Don, the entire article wasn't perfect, and there >were some 'shots' by Frank Musil and Alpo Suhonen. >Don noted that Musil wasn't much of a player (didn't >score many goals last year). He also made fun of their names... >One guy has a name like dog food, the other like a laxitive >(meta-Musil). This is the best he can do?!! Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism here. The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with this nonsense...making fun of names?? It's bad enough that he makes asinine blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun of their names too? He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video until he dropped the gloves... >On the subject of realignment, Don said that he liked the >new division names. Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division names. HELLO??!! McFly?? The names have been around for a couple of decades or so....he also invited the audience to "Name the teams in the Wales...quick, quick!" Followed by "Ah, you don't know, I don't know...." Sorry Don. Wrong on this one. >Ron (to Don): "I don't know wy I like you on your show >for 30 minutes... I can hardly stand you on this show for 5." This was absolutely hilarious. Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in the NBA case. Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity, has he? Don's question to Gretzky: >Wouldn't it be better >for you to change your friends so that they like the game, than for >us to change the game for your friends?" Now this I liked.
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From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) Subject: '93 Ford Probe GT -- Engine problems? Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com One of the local dealers has a used (7k miles) '93 Probe GT on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the window saying the dealership bought the car back from the previous owner because of "Engine noises", but that the Ford district rep had OK'ed the car saying those noises were "normal". I thought it was worth looking into (the car seems otherwise clean) and mentioned this to a co-worker, who proceeded to tell me a horror story about her son's '93 Probe GT, which had several problems, ending with engine noises which she said "was something with the heads", that Ford acknowledged the noise, said they were working on it, but didn't have a cure as of yet. Her son traded the car in (and I checked -- not the same car). So I have some evidence of a reoccuring problem with the V6 in the Probe GT's, and by extension with the Madza 626 and MX-6. Anything to this? I'd love to consider buying the GT (I'm turning 40 -- time for my scheduled mid life crisis :-) but I'd hate to find out I just became the proud owner of a Lemon.
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) Subject: Re: DCC and MiniDisc: next DAT/DDS like story? Organization: Xenix Support, FICC Lines: 15 In article <C50CMD.1zz@newcastle.ac.uk> Tor-Olav.Berntzen@newcastle.ac.uk (Tor-Olav Berntzen) writes: > Another thing, why a SCSI interface ? Because SCSI works well with removable media, and works well with large capacity devices. The floppy interface you suggest handles the former, but it doesn't have any hooks for dealing with the latter... you'd have to kludge it. Plus, it's extremely low performance. AND, SCSI has gobs of room for expansion compared with a floppy (I can just see it, let's stick a 5.25", a 3.5", a tape drive, and a MO drive, all on the floppy interface. The possibilities for unexpected collisions are enormous). -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technologies Incorporated 'U` 12808 West Airport Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Zure otsoa besarkatu al duzu gaur?"
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.152424.5899@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil.Idriss:) writes: > >Arab leaders don't have to cheat, they are actually allowed to have four wives. >Are you implying above that Arab leaders are gays? Aren't there Jewish gays too? Arab leaders are now following by Islamic rules? (Or is it only applicable in cases like this?) :- I remember an article of about a year ago which stated that besides his wife, Saddam also has a mistress. Assad's brother has a wife and *several* mistresses, and those 'emirs' in the Gulf have, within their lifetimes, wives in the double digitas (only they manage to keep four at a time). This is all irrelevant. It takes a *lot* more than infidelity to make these leaders ruthless and corrupt. Maybe Netanyahu thought he could 'cleanse' himself by making such a public confession. Does the average secular Israeli care, though? The Mossad probably applauded him. :-) .. .. .. . __. _ _ . . (_/|___(_|__|__(_|___(_:_) ..
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From: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Reply-To: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 52 Somebody wrote: >I'd *LOVE* to see a European NHL division but can't see it happen for some >time. There's simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several >"crucial" markets like Germany, Italy and France while Sweden and Finland >probably can't afford to shell out $20-$30 for tickets the way >American/Canadian fans do. Call it "the Minnesota North Stars" effect: >Scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local, inexpensive >hockey to the NHL. The National Hockey League should love the idea, though. >Pan-European TV channels such as Eurosport could bring in the millions the >American networks likely never will pay. This brings up a question I asked myself (no answer) when it was mentionned that the NHL could expand in Europe. Would most of the North-americans now playing in the NHL be willing to play for a team in Europe? I do not think that the majority of hockey players are necessarily interested in expanding their cultural experience to that level. (I know I would but I am not a pro hockey player) When one recalls some players remarks in the last few years it makes me wonder how a European expansion could be achieved. Remember these: - Lindros did not want to play in Quebec (for more than $ reasons) - Nicholls ... in Edmonton. - R. Courtnall wanted to be traded to LA only. - C. Lemieux said he would refuse to go to Edmonton earlier this year. I know there are many non-cultural reasons behind these but there is more: - Some american players who played for the Expos complained about the french fact and that the city was not quite like the other US cities. One players' wife trying to make her point went on to complain that she could not even find her favorite brand of nacho chips in Montreal. Anybody knows what happened when all these US football players moved to London, Spain, etc .. for the one year of that new football league (2 years ago?) I wonder what the players association thinks about going to Europe. Myself I would like to see some European teams, but what would be the best way to do it? Marc
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From: chau@hao.ucar.edu (National Center for Atmospheric Research) Subject: Looking for books Distribution: na Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303 Lines: 3 Hi netters! I'm looking for books that showing how to fix your own hardware problem. Please let me know if you have any books in mind. Thanks.
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From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) Subject: RE Diamond SS 24X Organization: Physics Department, FSU News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS Reply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu Lines: 25 >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. >I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors >in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible >quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. >What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. >Thx Dave L I have used both version 1.17 drivers for Win 3.1 and the new 2.03 drivers. I have had none of these problems. No GPF's at all. I have a feeling that your problems are not with the card or drivers. The ATI Ultra drivers are considered some of the most reliable on the market, and the SS 24X ones seem quite good as well. Maybe you should check BIOS problems in your Gateway. I know a few people with Gateway DX2's, and all of them have found some problem or other with compatibility -- especially with graphics. The only GPF's I have ever had can be directly attributable to using/ abusing applications. I even got the newest drivers from Diamond when people started complaining. I still only have one small problem with them, and it is that the hardware cursor is slightly jumpy during writes/ reads to the swap file. Greg Bishop.
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From: ROGOSCHP@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Are we having Fun yet ???) Subject: VGA monitors and the mac LC series of computers Organization: University of Regina Lines: 9 I recall reading that the Mac LC (and presumably the LC II & III) can use stand ard VGA monitors, with appropriate cable adapters. I am uncertain of this sinc e I have asked other people who say this is not so. So can all vga monitors be used on the Mac LC? What are the specs needed for a PC monitor to work with a Mac LC (horizontal nad vertical frequencies)?
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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 20 In article <Apr.11.01.02.37.1993.17787@athos.rutgers.edu>, atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of > Christianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an > understanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here > who were led to Christianity by argument? This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone "knew the rules." Today, when you can't count on people knowing even the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is often indistinguishable from a poor one. Sorry; just one of my perennial gripes...<:-> Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton
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From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <1993Apr14.200649.12578@pts.mot.com>, ep502dn@pts.mot.com (Dave Naehring X2079 P7630) writes: > In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball >>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run >>prevented. >> > This certainly passes the "common sense test" for me, but is there any > statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what > percent is fielding? I'd really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for > the DA data I find it fascinating. Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented. Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches. My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to their potential, they won't need much offensive support. I realize this is a BIG IF. This staff leaves the '92 BoSox in the dust. There is no legitimate comparison. Two Cy Young winners, and three other pitchers that most any team in the league would kill to have as their first or second starter. It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most runs wins. This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage (providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. They should have many low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting. On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players, I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers. They would have an advantage because they could simply outscore their opponent. The name of the games is to win. Even Ray Knight knows that you do this by putting more runs up on the scoreboard. All I'm trying to say is that if you assemble the quality pitchers like the Braves have, the offense doesn't need to be as strong. Sam > > -Dave > > >>Sherri Nichols >>snichols@adobe.com >
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From: Peter Todd Chan <pc1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Klipsch Forte 2 SPKRS 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers CONDITION: Mint AGE: 6 months old PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair) These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system. They are floor standing and come with all the original packagaing and literature. They are also still under warranty. If you are interested or have any questions, please feel free to e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425
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Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Lines: 6 How long has Don Cherry been a student at SFU? (or is that Arche Bunker?) Please, keep this racist drivel off of the net. You're an embarassment to Canadians everywhere. Bill
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From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: dogs Organization: AT&T Summary: abnormal canine psychology Lines: 21 In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes: > > With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures > may be necessary. This is the face off. First -- and there is very important > -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory. Face him off on the > road, not on his driveway. If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up > newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will > hurt him). Stand your ground, then slowly advance. Your mental attitude is > that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. The > larger the dog, the greater your anger. This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing a game with me. The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com
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From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Summary: Continental the first - Don't think so! Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: | In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: | >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes: | >> | >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with | >>vynal any more, and any fake "convertible" job _definitely_ came from some | >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for | >>bad taste | > | >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the | >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? | | Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, | named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I | personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit | (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful | cars ever built, IMHO. | | James | The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one. Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles, both US and Foreign. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735042679 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 11 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: >Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. And anybody who can get the keys from the escrow company. This is a database that's going to take plenty of updating - they think they can keep it secure? Please... and that's just primary, not secondary sources, such as police using the key under a warrant. Would anyone be surprised if they just "neglected" to erase the key if it turned out they couldn't nail you on anything? -- Nourish a waif and it will pick out your eyes.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 17 nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: > >CENTERS >Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries. While the press made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during the MSG press conference. It makes sense ... Messier would probably have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Subject: exportability of PKZIP (was: RE: RC2) Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 36 Vesselin Bontchev (bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) writes: >>Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >>> It is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export >>> PKZIP's encryption scheme has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own >>> conclusions. >>Uh, I'm afraid that your information is slightly out of date... PKWare >>has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world, >>except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own conclusions >>about the strength of the algorithm... :-) Sorry if I was less than clear. :-) I was referring to our own efforts to receive export permission from NSA for the PKZIP encryption algorithm, not to any effort on the part of Phil Katz or PKWare. I should point out that the original version of this algorithm was designed by Roger Schlafly and that WE (meaning Roger and myself) were twice denied an export license for it. The second go 'round was just this past fall. I had no knowledge of Phil's attempts in this. I do not even *know* for sure if he choose to implement the algorithm as it was designed by Roger, though I *believe* that was at least the case for versions prior to 2.0. And then there's the question of key management. :-) And even if our applications were identical, there is no reason to assume the NSA would treat them that way. :-) -mjm ---------- Michael J. Markowitz, VP R&D markowitz@dockmaster.ncsc.mil Information Security Corp. 708 405-0500, fax: 708 405-0506 1141 Lake Cook Rd., Suite D MCI: 363-1959 Deerfield, IL 60302 CIS: 76206,2617
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From: mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall) Subject: Re: Video in/out Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 Lines: 29 Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" Keywords: In article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes: > >I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little >advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. >I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. >What cards should I be looking into? > >Thanks, >Craig > >-- > "To forgive is divine, to be >-Craig Williamson an airhead is human." > Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas > craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers Craig, You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right driver. Josh West email: mscrap@halcyon.com
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: Radio stations Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 31 In article <ragraca.735252641@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: > > > > > I do not have cable and on the nights the Caps don't play, I > >would like to tune in other games. Does anyone have a list of > >the radio stations which broadcast the games for the NHL teams? > > > > Thanks in advance > > I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting > at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and > since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up > after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be > broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted > by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those > if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. > > --Randy > KDKA has first rights to Pirates games, and will split probably 50-50 in conflicts; for Penguins games which are preempted, check out 102.5 WDVE FM (that's right, DVE). It is also 50,000 watts. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University no funny .sig today
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From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: AT&T Lines: 29 |You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of |mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a |neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve |gas on his/her property. There is no law prohibiting having biological weapons or nerve gas on his/her property, or even walking on government property with such items: ipso facto it is now one's _RIGHT_ to have such weapons of "mass destruction." Hell, the U.S. patent office has patents on the manufacture of nerve gas that anyone can obtain simply by sending a $1.50 to the Patent Office in Washington, D.C. (P.O. Box 8). These same patents are verboten to English citizens from their own patent office, which doesn't surprise me based on the mistrust of the UK government against private ownership of semi-automatic rifles. |If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of |the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us? So, you are saying we should have legislation prohibiting owning biological warfare agents or nerve agents? Will you pass laws against owning chlorine gas or cyanide as well? Will you pass laws against owning acetylene gas that could have been used against the Bradley IFVs had the Branch Dividians known of their anti-combustion engine effects? Will you pass laws against owning 5-gallon cylinders of propane because they could have been used as flame throwers? Yes, the proverbial "Road to Hell;" it's always for "Our Own Good."
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From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations Article-I.D.: cis.1993Apr6.181509.1973 Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr6.175117.1848@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes: A brilliant algorithm. *NOT* Seriously - it's correct, up to a sign change. The flaw is obvious, and will therefore not be shown. sorry about that. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham (205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station (205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
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From: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Subject: Stop predicting Originator: cdkaupan@c00544-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 10 It is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the Net. Who really cares who you think will win? Please stop with the predictions, we all know the Caps are going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. David Kaupang cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr25.182253.1449@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: > I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from. Hey tough guy, freedom necessitates responsibility, and no freedom is absolute. BTW, to anyone who defends Arafat, read on: "Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants, be they from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia or anywhere else....I give you my instructions to use violence against the immigrants. I willjail anyone who refuses to do this." Yassir Arafat, Al-Muharar, 4/10/90 At least he's not racist! Just anti-Jewish Pete
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Lines: 18 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. > Oh... I forgot... Art Shamsky, former Red and Mets player. Batted .301 between injuries in 1969 (fell short of qualifying for Top 10 because of injuries and platoon with Ron Swoboda; no Swobo wasn't Jewish). -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<! | subscribe Let's Go Mets! | !
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to do. (He also confuses "things he can see" with "things that exist"; Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside.) A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's what the user wants. With Glocks, one says "I want the gun to go off" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, it has a "real" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. -andy --
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 19 keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? > > Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you > blame the tiger? As far as I know, tigers are not sentient. If I were pushed into a pool with some dolphins and they attacked me, I might be inclined to blame the dolphins rather than the person doing the pushing, as (a) dolphins are not usually aggressive and (b) they seem to have well-developed brains and a capacity for abstract thought. As a matter of fact, tigers rarely attack humans unless the human provokes them. Of course, if they are in a cage which is far too small, that might count as provocation... mathew
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From: easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu (Suzanna T. Chow) Subject: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Summary: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! Keywords: pionneer Lines: 15 features include: Detachable Face, 30x4 watt amplifier, Infra-red Remote, 8 times oversampling 1 bit DAC, supertuner IV (18fm and 6am presets), best station memory CD Changer Controller, loud switch, clock all original packaging, asking $450.00 (or best offer) This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very handy (you wouldn't think it would), TOP of the line CD Reciever Interested! send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu) any resonable offers will be considered ******Latest offer $400.00 (including shipping)*********
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From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) Subject: Re: (tangentially) Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: impertinent stuff deleted > >Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know >what I'm talking about? > >I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV > got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca > ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed! Leave that stuff to us professionals. Henry Prange biker/professional edu-breath Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405 DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215 ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2 The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly. Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country.
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From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Reply-To: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 17 In article <1qna0tINNf5p@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes: |> I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the |> people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the |> 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately |> (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce |> it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply |> could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places |> and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 |> sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the |> actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). Without real technical details, it's hard to answer this question. But suppose they already *are* XORing the two 40-bit parts to produce only 40 bits of real key material? Maybe they're using the exportable version of RC2...? :-) PHil
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From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: An agnostic's question Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 42 In article <Apr.17.01.11.16.1993.2265@geneva.rutgers.edu> jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) writes: >Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as >an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal >supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be >judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that >goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the >complication is that one of my best friends has become very >fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he >feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is, >according to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship... Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid your friendship is in danger. Perhaps you should examine in yourself why as such a good friend, you are unwilling to accept this imortant part of your friends life? Why do you call into question his faith? Your friend has changed, he has found something that fills a need in his life. You need to decide if you are still his friend, whether you can accommodate his new life. It sounds as if you are criticizing him for a fundamental belief in the Bible, yet you are quick to reveal that your fundamental belief that it is superstition. Perhaps if he knew you at least took him seriously, that you at least took an interest in the light he has found, that you at least tried to understand what has become a special part of his life, you could together decide to become fundamentalists, respect each others differences and remain friends, or part ways. Maybe even if you stuck it out with him, you could help him to un-convert. Of course, if you go in with that attitude he will surely see through your intentions and begin to resent you. I happen to be a person very tolerant of fundamentalists, because I know that the idea of a simple black and white approach to life is appealing. I don't happen to share the beliefs of fundamentalists, but I am not offended by their prosyletizing. I had a few good conversations with some Witnesses who came to my door. I didn't switch my beliefs, but for those at home who maybe need a friendly face to invite them somewhere, the Witnesses provide a wonderful service. You may have been conditioned to believe that religion is unimportant and witnessing is obnoxious, but why? Are you afraid you might be converted and become one of them, that you will be swept up in fundamentalism, that you will become a weirdo. Friendship's a two-way street. You must respect your friend, ALL of him, including his beliefs, if you want the friendship to continue. Joe Moore
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From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu (NOTE: cross-posted to alt.politics.italy and talk.politics.misc This is a reply to an article by Ed Ipser which also appeared in alt.politics.usa.misc and alt.politics.libertarian, but no longer belongs) I hate to defend Ed (the article was very poorly written) but here goes: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: >Ed should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together >before he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget >deficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale. Italy's per-capita debt is much higher than USA's. >We do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers >for the benefit of the super wealthy. This is *exactly* what the public in France & Italy perceive to be the problem-- thus the French election and Italian pulizia. Regarding the post-pulizia Italy: >What looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much >better in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going >to get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people >who are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of >Pavarotti's and porn stars. Wrong. This is true perhaps only for the Lega Nord. The referendum Sunday is expected to establish a British/American style first-past-the-post system in the Senate. If implemented, it would encourage a two- (or perhaps three-) party system in Italy. Most likely the DC and PSI will not be these parties; rather there will be a shakeup of the entire party structure from which 2 new parties will emerge to dominate. Will Lega Nord be one of these? Who knows. (The Camera dei Deputati (lower house) will likely remain with Proportional Representation for a while, but there is talk of switching a portion of that house, too. Maybe as much as 40% first-past-the-post) Overall, the electoral reform in Italy is a welcome change. Italians are tired of having crappy government. Porn stars, Pavarotti's and Hunters & Fishers won't gain seats because PR is dead. A good two-party system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government. It's about time. Jeff Hagen hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu
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From: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com (Chris Holmes) Subject: CASIO CZ-101 49 key synth $125/BO Reply-To: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com Organization: Data General Corporation, Westborough, MA Lines: 29 OK... I've done a little research and the price I've been asking was a BIT high. So... Casio CZ-101 Synthesizer $125 or best offer Features: uses FM modulation to create sounds -- programmable ADSR envelopes for each of 2 DCA's (amplitude), 2 DCW's (pitch, like a VCF), and 2 DCO's (waveform, like VCO) with up to 8 steps for each 16 preset sounds, 8 more in memory, 8 more still in RAM cartridge. 49 stubby keys Pitch Bend Wheel MIDI in/out ports Includes: All the manuals you could ever want AC adapter (can use 6 D batteries) Line cord 1 RAM cartridge -- holds 8 additional sounds I'll throw in a bunch of sheet music and "Play Rock Keyboards" too. -- -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------ Christopher Holmes | Do not insert this email in the ear canal. Terminals Development Group | My evil twin blew up the World Trade Center Data General Corporation | and all I got was this stupid .sig file! Westboro, MA | Internet: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com
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From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Area Rule (was Re: Space Research Spin Off) Article-I.D.: bby.1993Apr6.064720.6920 <1pnuke$idn@access.digex.net> <SHAFER.93Apr4200752@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> <1ppm7j$ip@access.digex.net> <1993Apr5.133619.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 9 In-Reply-To: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov's message of 5 Apr 93 13:36:19 -0600 Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Can somebody elaborate on "Area Ruling". I gather it's something to do with aerodynamics of trans-sonic planes, and can be summarised as "Coke bottle good, Coke can bad". Anyone provide more details, derivation etc? -- Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.)
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From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1qlfd4INN935@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >>>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >>>as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior. >>So, why "must" they have such laws? > >The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must." > >If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, >etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society >into chaos. The "System" refered to a "moral system". You havn't shown any reason that chimps "must" have a moral system. Except if you would like to redefine everything. --- " Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. " John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word.
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From: tspila@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Spila {Romulan}) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr21.034751.23512@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu) writes: >We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications. >In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from >the exhaust gas. Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this >thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology. Ok, I'll bite. How is this supposed to work? Tim.
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From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, CO. USA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr12.220600.10691@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes: >> I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out. >> I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2. My aim is to run >> the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager. I am sure this >> is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and/or delete >> everything that I need to. For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but >> how do I get rid of Xnews? >> > > The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes > or from export.lcs.mit.edu .I would suggest building this too, rather than > using the version from OpenWindows. It is olwm v3. > I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even on large monitors. This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z. The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3. In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly, I happily issued "rm -rf /usr/openwin/*". Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much. -- Paul Bash Techware Design bash@tware.com Boulder, CO U.S.A.
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From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 194 In article <Apr.19.05.12.10.1993.29131@athos.rutgers.edu> pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins >Romans 14 with "If someone is weak in the faith ..." Do you count >yourself as one who is weak in the faith? Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith? >you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind >about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is missing the mark? >>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I >>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. >Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly >clear, are they not? Are they clear or do you have doubts? >[No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. An important first step; the realization that Paul was human. >However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience. Yes, and he was writing and speaking for an audience that was at best, very weak in the faith; most could not read, most were unfamiliar with the Hebrew Scriptures in even the Septuagint form. Paul adapted the message of the Bible to a largely uneducated market. Granted, this market still exists today, but do you count yourself as part of it? To be "weak in the faith" is not missing the mark (hamartia) if you do the best that your education allows. Are you doing the best? >The Law was regarded by Jews >at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There >are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic >laws), but they are quite minimal. Let me make clear that the "Law" is none other than the Pentateuch of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. What did Jesus say about the "Law" in Matt5:14-19? Where did Jesus say that the "Law" only applies to Jews and that Gentiles are above the "Law"? >The issue that the Church had to >face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to >follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say >that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it >didn't apply to Gentiles. Who acknowledged this fact? On what basis? Are we extra-biblical at this point? Why not also acknowledge that the Bhagavad-Gita is the only relevant text for Gentiles, after all we see in the Bible that it was Magus from the east who observed the star-signs of Jesus? Why bother with any texts at all? Why not just follow whatever the Church has to say? >Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. Are you a follower of Christ, or do you follow someone else? Are you saying that the words of Jesus only apply to Jews? >As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did >continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they >continued to obey the Law. How Jewish was Paul after he changed his name from Saul? >The issue was (and is) with Gentile >Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the >ceremonial aspects of it). Who says Gentile Christians are not covered by the first five books? Who says that Gentile Christians are above the Ten Commandments? >Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that >Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. You're implying that Jesus' words are valid only for Jews. Is this really what you mean to say? You do realize that you are gutting rather large portions of the Bible? When you read Jesus' words, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe Jesus is talking to you, no matter what your race or sex? If the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospel accounts of Jesus are only directed to Jews, why were they translated into English? >He did interact with >Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a >couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke >7) suggest that he was a "God-fearer", i.e. a Gentile who followed >God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. As Paul would call him, one who was weak in the faith. >He was commended by >Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. >This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view >that Gentiles need not accept the Law. Which is more important: 1) The recorded word of Jesus or 2) Indications that you can deduce from the Bible? Was Jesus God only of the Jews, or God of all humankind of all race and sex? >However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on >the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we >have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and >how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I >read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a >certain sense superceded. This is your understanding of Paul. Compare this to the word of Jesus. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Again, this issue isn't one of the >abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes >that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not >what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being >present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an >impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Again, this is your understanding of Paul. Did Jesus say that the Law was an "impossible standard?" Did Jesus say that He superceded the Law? Are you Christian or Pauline? >Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone >agrees with my reading. You acknowledge that it is *your* reading of Paul. What did Jesus say? Can you deny that Matt5:14-19 is quite clear in its meaning? Are you Christian or Pauline? >But the interesting thing to notice is that >even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. >It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota >or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's >important that it not be relaxed. When did Jesus say that the purpose of the Law was conviction of sin? >However for Christians, it's not >the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. Please reread Matt5:14-19. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Jesus' interpretations >emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial >details. Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are ceremonial details? >Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being >superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the >"ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite >concerned about maintaining moral standards. You call observance of the Sabbath, the day on which the Lord rested, ceremonial? Has circumcision been superceded for Christians? .... Are you Christian or Pauline? [Both. There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles. That's why I have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion. As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in other newsgroups. Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that it applies to Gentiles. And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're looking at the obligations of Gentiles. Similarly circumcision. I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly. However we do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15 more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see that there's a big problem. --clh]
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From: papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) Subject: X Toolkits Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 29 I am considering making a reasonably large application for free distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm bewildered by the huge number of "standards" that "open systems" has created. I've lived in a fairly tookit-sheltered environment. Most of the tools here were produced with the Athena Widget set, or X Intrinsics or Xw (??). In my humble opinion, they look like crap. I don't know, however, if this is a characteristic of the tookits, or just poor aestetic taste in the programmers. I would like my app to look a little more "sculptured" like mwm. I understand, however, that mwm isn't free like the other tookits. I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don't know how it will look. I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't know what it looks like either. If you can help explain this toolkit mess to me, I would be much obliged. Which are free? Which are the best? Which are portable? Which looks nice? Which is not a resource hog? Also, if you happen to know which are available on Linux and/or Sun, that would be a big help too. Thanks in advance.
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From: Stefan.M.Gorsch@dartmouth.edu (Stefan M. Gorsch) Subject: Importing Volvo? X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b10@newshost.dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 11 Well, I'm afraid the time has come; my rice-burner has finally died. I'd always promised my wife that we would do a Scandanavian tour when my car died and pick up a Volvo in Sweden, drive it around and then import it home. Can anyone give me 1) advice on feasibility and relative costs 2) references where I might learn more 3) Personal experience? Please email Thanks
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From: Sven@Beowulf.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander) Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mac4.jpl.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca>, slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) wrote: > > Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which > will increase the number of serial ports available for use > simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my > Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each > one of the independently. > > If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of > serial devices I can use? > > Any information is appreciated. > > Steven Langlois > slang@bnr.ca The Quadralink by AE is a possibly problematical solution to your needs. I've used one for the last 4 (?) years on my personal system, but a fatal bug has crept into their more recent s/w. The bug only shows up during heavy serial traffic but completely crashes the system (MacsBug can not reboot, time to hit the restart button). AE told me in January that they were aware of and working on fixing the bug which I described to them. Since then they have not answered any of my faxes asking them for a status of the bug-fix. The QL has been great, but for now I have mine sidelined. If you are only going to be using 2400 Baud or less, then you may have no, or very infrequent problems, -Sven
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 17 > Distribution: comp Please don't misuse newsgroup hierarchy names as distributions. In article <hess.734959172@swt1>, hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: > I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area > of its childs. Yes, but it's not an attribute of the window; it's an attribute of the GC used to do the drawing. Set the subwindow-mode to IncludeInferiors rather than the default ClipByChildren. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu
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From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 62 Robert Anderson (randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu) wrote: : I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged : couple become "married" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have : publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and : are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective : qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh'' (Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage). If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the point of intercourse. Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were *betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary and Joseph went to bed together. Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse, because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God. In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.) Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be corrected on that point!) This view obviously raises some questions: What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering marriage. Are those people also ``married''? If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God- honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) -- ----- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
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From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 51 Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a "safe" mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. For that matter, why exactly were the Apollo lunar experiments "turned off" rather than just "safed". Was it political (i.e. as along as they could be used, someone would keep bugging congress for funds)? Turning them off keeps them pesky scientists out of the bureaucrat's hair.... I've heard the argument that an active but "uncontrolled" spacecraft causes "radio noise." I find that hard to believe that this could be a problem in a properly designed "safe" mode. This safe mode could be a program routine which causes the spacecraft to go to least fuel using orientation, and once a (week, month, year, whatever) attempts a signal lock on Earth. At that time, if funding has been restored, the mission can continue. If no signal is recieved, the spacecraft goes back to the safe mode for another time period. As we would know when the spacecraft is going to try to contact Earth, we could be prepared if necessary. As another a spacecraft could do at the attempted contact is beam stored data towards Earth. If someone can receive it, great, if not, so it's lost and no big deal. By making the time and signal location generally known, perhaps someone in the world might be able and willing to intercept the data even if they're not willing to contact the spacecraft. I see this as being particularly useful for spacecraft which could have an otherwise long life and are in or are going to places which are otherwise unaccessible (Jupiter/Saturn Orbit, exiting the solar system, etc). Perhaps those designing future spacecraft (Cassini, Pluto Flyby, etc) should consider designing in a "pause" mode in case their spacecraft gets the ax sometime in the future after completion of the primary mission. Perhaps Mars Observer and Galilleo could have some kind of routine written in for the post mission "drift" phase. So any holes in all this? /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | | the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | | Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." | | <John F. Kennedy; May 25, 1961> |
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From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 6 re: majority of users not readding from floppy. Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current didrectory?
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From: deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Hobbit) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University Distribution: na Lines: 26 I have a question about digital communications encryption: The Fact Sheet mentioned encryption/decryption microcircuitry with special "keys" for law enforcement for wire tapping purposes. If I wanted to, couldn't I develop encryption of my own? That is, if me and a partner in crime had unique Encryption/decryption devices installed before the "tappable" one, couldn't we circumvent the "keys" system? Or replace it? I'd be really interested in knowing how the E/D microcircuits might be made to prevent such befuddlement! (Laymans' Language, please! maybe a bit technical...) Please E-mail to me, as I'm not in Net News as much as I'd like to be! Pete deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu -- ===================================== deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu ===================================== "*Regret* is a rough sheet to sleep on." -Herman Brooks
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From: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Voecking) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Originator: voecking@hphalle5c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: |> In <PKORTELA.93Apr15164732@lk-hp-17.hut.fi> pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: |> |> > |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. |> |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player who was born in Canada but now has a German passport). Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play for Germany in the WC. The other Canada-born forwards are: Peter-John Lee (has British passport) Chris Valentine Dale Dercatch Steve Gootas Earl Spry (?) At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf Volker
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Subject: Postscript File Viewer? From: bmartin@bbs.ug.eds.com Organization: EDS CANADA Nntp-Posting-Host: bbs Nntp-Posting-User: bmartin Lines: 7 A co-worker of mine needs to convert a postscript file to a form readable (ie ascii) in windows or DOS. Does anybody know of a utility that will do this? I have a vague memory of a shareware utility someone mentioned once... Thanks for any info, Barry.
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From: aad@scr.siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri) Subject: Re: Nice gif code Nntp-Posting-Host: lovecraft.siemens.com Organization: Siemens Weyland-Yutani Lines: 7 >There is a thing called xgif xgif is the grandfather of XV. -- ======================================================================8--<
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From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr15.072429.10206@sol.UVic.CA>, rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >> >>One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how >>many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are >>these individuals? >> > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > "Hey, I read sci.space!" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: "Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?") A practical suggestion, to be sure, but one could *also* peek into news.lists, where Brian Reid has posted "USENET Readership report for Mar 93." Another posting called "USENET READERSHIP SUMMARY REPORT FOR MAR 93" gives the methodology and caveats of Reid's survey. (These postings failed to appear for a while-- I wonder why?-- but they are now back.) Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the "power/influence" of readers... Sorry, Mark. I suspect Mark, dangling out there on Fidonet, may not get news.lists so I've mailed him copies of these reports. The bottom line? +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space The first figure indicates that sci.space ranks 88th among most-read newsgroups. I've been keeping track sporadically to watch the growth of traffic and readership. You might be entertained to see this. Oct 91 55 71000 1387 84% 718 1865.2 21% 0.04 4.2% sci.space Mar 92 43 85000 1741 82% 1207 2727.2 13% 0.06 4.1% sci.space Jul 92 48 94000 1550 80% 1044 2448.3 12% 0.04 3.8% sci.space May 92 45 94000 2023 82% 834 1744.8 13% 0.04 4.1% sci.space (some kind of glitch in estimating number of readers happens here) Sep 92 45 51000 1690 80% 1420 3541.2 16% 0.11 3.6% sci.space Nov 92 78 47000 1372 81% 1220 2633.2 17% 0.08 2.8% sci.space (revision in ranking groups happens here(?)) Mar 93 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space Possibly old Usenet hands could give me some more background on how to interpret these figures, glitches, or the history of Reid's reporting effort. Take it to e-mail-- it doesn't belong in sci.space. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine. SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS |
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From: rob@mother.bates.edu (Rob Spellman) Subject: 3M DC6150s for sale Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, ME Lines: 10 We no longer use quarter inch tape for backups, and have a case of unopened DC6150s for sale. I'll sell the lot, or in boxes of 5 tapes each. -- Rob Spellman rob@mother.bates.edu Computing Support Services Bates College
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From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) Subject: Re: "Accepting Jesus in your heart..." Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 7 I have been told that I seem to be very smug in my post. I appoligize if anyone felt this way. I did not at all desire to come across in that way. I was trying to express that I didn't understand his logic and that I wished him the best in his life. In Christ's Love, Bryan Whitsell
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From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 33 In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >as orthogonal is CISC. > >-- >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | >| eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, but that's another story...) bye! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian "Hojo" Lee | "Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms Nntp-Posting-Host: ra Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 41 In article <C512wC.B0M.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.170157.24251@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: |> <stuff deleted> |> Of course the units of force have the same names as those of weight, |> but in order to use them you need to keep useful constants like the |> omnipresent 32.???? ft/sec^2 around. |> |> Maybe you'd like to go over again how this system is _so_ natural and |> _so_ easy to use, Gary? While you're at it, you can figure out for us |> the weight of 17 barrels and a quart of foo (density 17lb 2 3/4 oz per |> cubic foot) on the moon (gravity 5 ft 7 3/32 in/sec^2). Let's face it, |> even the imperial system uses a basically metric way of relating |> quantities (i.e. that would be written as 5.59 ft/sec^2); the only |> thing you're hanging on to is the right to express the same quantity |> as 1731 inches, 144.25 feet, 48.0833 yards or 2.186 chains. What |> everyone else is saying is _why_ do you want to do that? |> |> Any apparent remaining complexity in the SI system is due to the |> multiplicity of the aforesaid prefixes. In fact what's going on (and |> the fundamental difference between SI and imperial) is that you have |> exactly one unit of each type, and all values of that type are |> expressed as some multiple of the unit. You mean like: seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years. . . :-) Remember, the Fahrenheit temperature scale is also a centigrade scale. Some revisionists tell the history something like this: The coldest point in a particular Russian winter was marked on the thermometer as was the body temperature of a volunteer (turns out he was sick, but you can't win 'em all). Then the space in between the marks on the thermometer was then divided into hundredths. :-) FWIW, Doug Page *** The opinions are mine (maybe), and do not necessarily represent those *** *** of my employer (or any other sane person, fot that matter). ***
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From: s912013@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Douglas Barry Mcpherson) Subject: Laser Writer IINTX upgrade kit Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Could someone please tell me what a LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is. Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual. The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full, "This product must be installed by an Apple ........." SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board. Any info appreciated. Doug.
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From: jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder) Subject: WANTED: avionics equip. Organization: GDX-BBS,Central Pa Unix BBS/anon uucp (717)737-3249 PEP+/2400/1200 24hrs Lines: 21 I'm looking for good deals on the following (used or new): Aviation Headsets (with mic). Handheld Nav/Com tranciever (may consider COM only). Portable GPS or Loran Navigator. Reply here or call: (717)737-3236 (only after 5pm -- please don't wake the night worker in my house). (717)540-2895 if you must call during the day (I can understand if you want your employer to pay for the call). _______________________________________________________________________________ Jay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay This is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Jay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay This is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins
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From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) Subject: HELP!!!! (Mercury Capri Query). Keywords: Gas mileage, High idling, Carburettor, Tune-up. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 34 Hi Folks, I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!). I have noticed a few problems with the car : 1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like 11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.). 2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles, it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm. I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/ recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so). Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly. Thanks. Regards, --Sudhi. -- Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. email : sudhi@ucs.usl.edu. "Is he one of us or is he one of them ?" ---- so ask small-minded men. Those of noble mind think the entire world as their family. [Hitopadesha]
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From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King) Subject: RE: headlights problem Keywords: headlights Article-I.D.: tekgen.2407 Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 6 THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RESPONDED TO MY POSTING. THE PROBLEM WITH MY TRUCK'S HEADLIGHTS LOW BEAM PROBLEM WAS A "LOOSE WIRE CONNECTION". IT WAS NOT THE "FUSE" AS A MINORITY OF YOU SUGGESTED. THANKS AGAIN.
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From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding Reply-To: cj@sgi.com Organization: SGI Developer Docudramas Lines: 20 <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: | For an illustrative example in the opposite direction, it may be possible | to ADD services to an insurance contract and REDUCE the premium. If you | add preventative services and this reduces acute care use, then the total | premium may fall. Women who are known not to want abortion services, for example, might be judged to be more likely to require prenatal care & coverage for childbirth... which can be an order of magnitude more expensive than abortion. This topic should really be restricted to talk.abortion, which exists to relieve t.r.m & t.p.m of abortion flamage. --- C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us "In Melbourne, Fla., meanwhile, anti-abortion marchers rallied to celebrate the death of Dr. David Gunn. "Praise God!" they shouted." (NY Daily News, Fri. March 12, p. 20)
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From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: manipulating a hexagonal grid Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 28 Ok, lets say youve got a grid of hexagons that go in a 10 9 10 9 etc.. for a total of 15 rows down that means there are 10 hexagons in the 1st line, 9 lined up underneath in the second line 10 lined up underneath in the third line 9 lined up under neath in the fourht... the problem is given the center of any arbritrary hexagon, and a line with and arbritrary slope, Which hexagons does that line cross through (The line doesn't necessarily have to cross through the center of other hexagon,it can even be a tangent and count). Any helpers, my friend was baffeled when trying to figure this. :w -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Christians that are not church members Organization: Indiana University Lines: 51 Here are some notes about what the church is to be like and some helpful ideas about how to choose a church: Colossians 1:15-18 A. Jesus is the head of the body, the church B. You cannot say "yes" to Jesus, but "no" to the church Ephesians 2:19-22 A. The church is the family of God B. The church is based on the Word of God only Cornerstone=Christ Foundation= Apostles=New Testament Prophets=Old Testament (see Revelation 21:9-14) 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 A. Baptism is when we become a member of the church As for the question of denominations: A. The Bible teaches that there is only ONE church from Ephesians 4:4-6, Romans 12:4-5, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 B. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 says that there should be no divisions in the church. There should be no following of personalities in the church (and in time, their writings) C. There are so many churches today because of a problem. 2 Timothy 4:1-4 says that people will turn away from the truth and try to find a church that teaches a doctrine that suits their lifestyle Hebrews 10:24-25 A. Do not miss church B. Purpose is to encourage each other, so we will remain faithful. Involved on a relationship level in the church C. Must come to ALL services Another verse which is helpful is Hebrews 3:12-15. The church should be encouraging daily, as it is their duty to do. Of course, more standards apply: 1 Timothy 4:16 People in the church should be watching their lives and doctrines to make sure they both live up to the Word entirely (ie, disciples). Acts 17:10-12 The pastor does not come close to the Apostle Paul (natural conclusion since the Apostle Paul talked with Jesus directly face to face), so if the Bereans, who were considered noble, didn't take Paul at his word but checked out what he said with Scripture to verify his statements, then church members are to do the same and verify the pastor's statements. If they are not verifiable or valid in light of other verses, then that group should be avoided as a church (would've made a wonderful suggestion to the Waco group, especially in light of Matthew 24). Joe Fisher
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From: hkon@mit.edu (Henry Kon) Subject: sunroof leaks - I'm all wet Organization: MIT Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: msiegel.mit.edu My sunroof leaks. I've always thought those things were a royal pain. Can anyone provide any insight ? I know the seal isn't great. Maybe I could weld the stupid thing shut. hk
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From: pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: cisco Lines: 58 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com Originator: pitargue@cisco.com In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes: |> |> Do you Rambos who worry so much about rape and murder in the |> wilderness also carry your guns all the time at home too? You |> should, since you're in a hell of a lot more danger there than |> in the backcountry. when does carrying a tool classify someone as a rambo. so all the pioneers that came west were rambo's? adrienne!!! :-) |> |> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God |> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about? |> |> I can sort of understand the people who want to protect themselves |> from bears and such, although there are, what, maybe a dozen or |> two bear attacks on people in North America each year? But to |> worry about being raped by some buck-toothed Bubba in overalls |> is just irrational. I think we'd all be a lot safer if all the |> videocassettes of "Deliverance" were gathered up and burned. would your tune change if you were one of the "dozen or two bear attacks"? believe me, when you need a firearm, you NEED a firearm. |> |> Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely |> have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or |> have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal. please cite your references. i'll let others (please note followup) cite valid references to show you that this is an untruth. |> The Rambo warriors we've heard from here undoubtedly consider |> themselves exempt from this statistical reality -- they're much |> too smart and responsible. Living in a city where there's a |> drive-by shooting every couple of days, and working in a medical |> center where a day doesn't go by without a shooting victim coming |> into the ER, I'm just a bit skeptical about the value of gun |> ownership. I go to the backcountry to get away from this |> environment, and I don't want to find other people there who |> insist on bringing the urban environment along with them -- boom |> boxes, computers, or guns. well, you might as well go naked. forget the matches, backpack, sleeping bag and all the rest that's is a modern convenience. a firearm is just a tool. as some people won't carry gaiters, some people do. firearms should be in the same category. it should be a personal choice. and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw cars. |> |> Please post flaming responses to rec.guns.rabid >:-( |> - J. Gever, B'ham, Ala. marciano pitargue@cisco.com
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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: WARNING! Don't break Powerbook screen Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.210853.26502 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 20 In article <D2150035.ub9c68@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes: > >Surprised? Shouldn't be. Protective tarriffs almost always end up >hurting the U.S. in the long run. Same with subsidies. they way >to build a strong economy isn't to wall it off from the tough outside >world, but rather to compete in the global market place (and don't >come crying when the world doesn't always want to play by our house >rules). Tell that to the Japanese, their local market is neatly protected by the Japanese government. Its one very tough nut to crack. In fact the only current way to break into it, is to do it with a Japanese company as a partner in the venture. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu
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From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Science News article on Federal R&D Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <C5r2DK.764@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>, xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes: > Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article > on Federal R&D funding. > > Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current > competitive advantage from things like military and other work that > does not have as much commercial utility. > -- > Chuck Divine Gulp. [Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] -- O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS
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From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) Subject: Monitor For Sale Organization: IQ Software Corp. Lines: 5 For sale KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced 14" Screen, still under warranty! $ 295.00 or best offer!
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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) Subject: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method? Originator: kadie@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Lines: 26 Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of encryption. Currently, when you send an encrypted message, an opponent can usually tell 1) that you are using encryption 2) which encryption method you are using [because that information is usually in the clear]. With clipper, most opponents will only know that you are sending clipper-text, they won't know that your clipper-text is itself encoded. Only those few opponents who get your clipper-keys will know that your message is double encrypted. ... kind of like a safety deposit box containing a lock box. So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front ends. - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me. =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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From: mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 12 west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > THE POPE IS JEWISH I always thought that the Pope was a bear. You know, because of that little saying: Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic? There MUST be SOME connection between those two lines!
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From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Thrush (was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. This is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction between real disease caused by Candida albicans and the "disease" that was being asked about, systemic yeast syndrome. There is no question that Candida albicans causes thrush. It also seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush -- I've never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before (though presumably it would work by the same mechanism). Candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major pathogen. That does not mean that there is evidence that it causes the "systemic yeast syndrome". -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
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From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Article-I.D.: abyss.1psqioINN3mg Distribution: world Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes: : In article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: : > MVP Biggest Biggest : > Suprise Disappointment : : >Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey : : : I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise. They : did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't : think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his : rookie year. His speed, skating ability, and puck control is : exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings. : I agree, with Marty McSorely and Warren Rychel running a close second and third. I am surprised more people have not noted Knickle as the biggest surprise, even though I personally do not really rate him well. The biggest disappointment has to be Carson. Though this is really unfair, since too much was expected of him. The second biggest disappointment is Melrose, with his adolescent handling of the goaltending problems. Putting Hrudey on the bench for a month is just stupid. It did not contribute to the team coming out of its slump. MVP is surely Robitaille. dvb
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From: yang@cs.umass.edu (Hong Yang) Subject: colormap question Organization: University of Massachusetts/Amherst Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: freya.cs.umass.edu Hi, Experts, I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code: toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], "Testcolor", NULL, 0, &argc, argv); dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel); scr = DefaultScreen(dpy); def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr); if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) { color.pixel = cells[0]; color.red = 250; color.green = 125; color.blue = 0; color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue; XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf("\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf("\n After allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); } else printf("\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells"); Running output: Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0) After allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0) After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value. No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it turned out to be the unmodified colors.) So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap? Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to "yang@cs.umass.edu". -------------------------- William email: "yang@cs.umass.edu" -------------------------- By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of "xdpyinfo"). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor. version number: 11.0 vendor string: DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2 vendor release number: 1 maximum request size: 16384 longwords (65536 bytes) motion buffer size: 100 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 86, maximum 251 number of extensions: 8 Adobe-DPS-Extension DPSExtension SHAPE MIT-SHM Multi-Buffering XInputExtension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD DEC-XTRAP default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 1024x864 pixels (333x281 millimeters) resolution: 78x78 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 8 root window id: 0x29 depth of root window: 8 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x27 default number of colormap cells: 256 preallocated pixels: black 1, white 0 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES current input event mask: 0xd0001d KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask ColormapChangeMask number of visuals: 5 default visual id: 0x21 visual: visual id: 0x21 class: PseudoColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: StaticGray depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x24 class: StaticColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x25 class: TrueColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 8 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits number of mono multibuffer types: 5 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x21, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x22, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x23, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x24, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x25, 0, 8 number of stereo multibuffer types: 0
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From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:50:58 GMT Organization: /u/jwg/.organization <rfelixC5sJpE.Bq8@netcom.com> <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 21 In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer. Kee-ripe. jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) Subject: Sticky Lock on Tailgate Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com My 1988 Toyota 4Runner has a rolldown rear window with a keylock switch. It sticky on me. Yesterday it was tough to get the key to work and it also happened to stick on in the up direction so the stalled motor was powered all night killing the battery. I'd like to try to lubricate the lock switch. What should I lubricate the lock with? email please, thanx, Ken. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't drink American corporate swill. Support you local micro-brewery." -me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) Subject: Re: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 In article <1qvrnpINNnid@shelley.u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes: >Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! >Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can >get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence >history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel >of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset >to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before >replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference >comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The >dealer never told me anything about that important story. > >I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this >is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments >will be appreciated. Thanks. Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found quilty, fined and had to take back the car. I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something. - gerrit
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From: U09579@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: 1989 Honda CRX for sale Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.123925U09579 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 12 My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th e car are as follows: Five speed A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo ps/pb Rear window defroster EXCELLENT CONDITION Asking 6400.00 OBO. Please call him at (708) 257-0518.
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From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 109 My turn to jump in! :) In article <1pi8h5INNq40@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >(reference line trimmed) > >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >[...] > >>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the >>assertion that there was some "objective" morality, and as you admit >>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is >>"objectively" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself >>requires an appeal to morality. > I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask any assembly programmer.) >Yes. > >>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are >>asking what is the "goal"? What do you mean by "goal?". Are you >>suggesting that there is some "objective" "goal" out there somewhere, >>and we form our morals to achieve it? > >Well, for example, the goal of "natural" morality is the survival and >propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is >presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we >should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, >to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, >we shall be moral unto what end? The oft-quoted line that says people should be guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, is a complete lie and deception, as the very authors of that line were in the process of proving. Liberty is never free, it is always purchased at some cost, almost always at the cost to another. Whos liberty is more inalienable? Similarly for right of life. When one person must die if he is to save another, or even a group of others, whos life is more inalienable? That leads into the classic question of the value of the death penalty, especially for serial killers. Whos life and liberty is more valuable, the serial killer, or the victim? According to that beautiful line, those two rights should be completely inviolate, that is, noone should be able to remove them. This _includes_ government. Admittedly the serial killer has restricted some people's life and/or liberty, but is not his own life/liberty inviolate also? According to the declaration of independence, it is. >>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had >>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. Oooh, I like that. It means that killing an infant is not murder because it cannot be against its will. Reason, an infant has no will as such. Similarly for people who are brain dead (easier to see), in a coma, etc. Also, under current law, accidental killing is still murder. How will you include that? >>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an >>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. >>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our >>>system of morality was an objective one. >>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was >>some kind of "objective" morality, and that an example of that was >>that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, >>that's fine. The only real golden rule in life is, he who has the gold, makes the rules. I.e. Might Makes Right. That is survival. Now what is wrong with that? >Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most >every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system >and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that >it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. If you mean the golden rule as I stated, yes, almost every system as implemented has used that in reality. Sorry, I don't deal as much in fiction, as I do in reality. >>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between >>"arbitrary" and "objective". If Keith Schneider "defines" murder >>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may >>still say "Well, according to my personal system of morality, all >>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what >>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi >>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me". WELCOME TO OZLAND!!!!!!! :) What is NOT arbitrary? If you can find some part of society, some societal rules, morals, etc. that are not arbitrary, please tell me. I don't think there are any. >Well, "objective" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental >concepts, while "arbitary" implies no clear line of reasoning. > >keith Sounds like euphemisms to me. The difference seems to be, that objective is some reasoning that I like, while arbitrary is some reasoning that I don't like OR don't understand. M^2
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: 3 AIDS Related Questions Article-I.D.: pitt.19428 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <93088.130924PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu (Paula Ford) writes: >we know ours is not HIV+ and people need it. I think my husband should give >blood, especially, because his is O+, and I understand that's a very useful >blood type. > It's O- that is especially useful. Still, he isn't punishing the Red Cross but some O+ person that needed his blood and couldn't get it. You are right, nagging probably won't help. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: jmetz@austin.ibm.com () Subject: Re: Twitching eye? Originator: jmetz@jmetz.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 4 I had this one time. I attributed it to a lack of sleep since it disappeared after a few nights of good zzz's.
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From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 36 In article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>, conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: > > > I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere > man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes "true" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the Branch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"? Doctrinal differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as an answer. -- Scott at Brandeis "But God demonstrates His "The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us." the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace." -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB] [There have been some attempts to characterize "cult". Most commonly it uses characteristics involving high pressure, brainwashing techniques, etc. But some people characterize it by doctrinal error. In the end I'm afraid it becomes a term with no precise meaning that's used primarily to dismiss groups as not worthy of serious consideration. That doesn't mean that there aren't groups that do highly irresponsible things and have serious doctrinal errors. But past discussions have not suggested to me that "cult" is a very helpful term. --clh]
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: news.C5JnK3.JKt Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes: >>In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu >>writes: >>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >>> >>>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans. >>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >>less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >>trying to say here..... >Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side >would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of >parking stalls... >Regards, Charles >-- >Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of >separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, >struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing >gourd. --Unknown net.person Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they are colored white. -- Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
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From: schwartz@ils.nwu.edu (diane schwartz) Subject: SIGKids Research Showcase Call Organization: institute for the learning sciences Lines: 250 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: schwartz.ils.nwu.edu SIGKIDS CALL FOR PARTICIPATION SIGKids Research Showcase is where learning is hip. Pushing the edge in education, computer graphics, and new technologies, the SIGKids Research Showcase will provide SIGGRAPH's attendees with the latest in applying computer technology to form state of the art educational experiences. So hop to it! Submit any works which converge the disciplines of education and computer technology. Possible categories and domains include but are NOT LIMITED to: -Interactive/stand-alone applications -Self-Run demonstrations and tutorials -Museum Installations -Groupware/Collaborative systems -Hypermedia -Virtual Reality -Scientific Visualization -Interactive Art -Microworlds Deadlines: May 21, 1993 submissions due Submit to: Diane Schwartz SIGGRAPH '93 SIGKids Committee c/o The Institute for the Learning Sciences 1890 Maple Avenue, Suite 150 Evanston, Illinois 60201 Fax: 708.491.5258 schwartz@ils.nwu.edu Electronic Submission Form: schwartz@ils.nwu.edu How to Submit: 1. Fill out the 'Permission to Use' form (see page 19 of the SIGGRAPH '93 Call for Participation or send email to schwartz@ils.nwu.edu to have one faxed to you.) 2. Fill out the SIGKids '93 Research Showcase Submission Form (below). 3. Send an abstract/description of the submission (approximately 100 words) in one of the following ways: A. Send 3 hard copies to Diane Schwartz (via surface mail) at the above address OR B. Fax 1 copy to Diane Schwartz at (708)491-5258 OR C. Email 1 copy to Diane Schwartz at schwartz@ils.nwu.edu 4. If it is necessary to explain the project, additional support material such as videotapes and slides that will assist the selection committee in reaching a decision are highly reccommended. Fax and email submissions are acceptable. PLEASE SEND ALL OF YOUR SUBMISSION MATERIAL IN THE SAME FORM (either surface mail, email, or fax. The only exception to this should be the additional support material which should only be sent via surface mail). NOTE: Due to our very limited budget, if the submitter chooses to have a dedicated machine for their work, they will have to pay rental fees for the hardware personally. 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From: horne@cs.utexas.edu (Patrick J. Horne) Subject: Thermal fuse supplier wanted Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu Keywords: MITI I have a thermal fuse from a Apple Laserwriter II power supply (Made by Cannon) that I need to replace. The fuse is not the standard tubular thermal fuse like those found in hair driers etc, but is a rectangular plastic package, much like a transistor or diode. It is about 0.2"x0.2"x0.1", with both leads coming out of one of the 0.1"x0.1" sides. I have been told that it was made by MITI, a asian company, but I can find no information as to a supplier. This fuse is rated at 1A, 130C. Does anyone have a source for this fuse? I only need 5 or so, which means that the manufacturer wouldn't even want to talk to me, let alone, deal with me. Please advise via E-mail. Thanks, Pat -- --- I like boats and bicycles, they're healthier than Valium --- Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Hardware Guru CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885, UUCP:cs.utexas.edu!horne
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: (1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. (2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so (it would have discredited the Christians). -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><
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From: keith@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil Subject: Tektronix 453 scope for sale Article-I.D.: radio.623 Lines: 19 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26719; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:52:02 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16140; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:56 -0700 X-To: sci.electronics.usenet Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith ---- Keith Kanoun, WA2Q kdk@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil
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From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes: : : And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : team captain trivia would be appreciated. : Luc Robitaille was captain of the Kings the first third of the season, until The Great One came back from his disc injury. It was kind of awkward, but Melrose appointed (anointed?) TGO as captain immediately upon his return, after which he did not score a goal for something like 10 games. I think Luc should have remained Captain all season. dvb
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From: sean@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za (Sean Borman) Subject: INFO WANTED : Graphics LCD displays Organization: University of Cape Town X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Hi there Does anyone know how to get hold of data as well as stock of the LCD displays used in the NINTENDO GAMEBOY handheld TV game machines? Any information wouold be MOST appreciated. Please e-mail any replies to arawstorne@eleceng.uct.ac.za thanks Alex
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From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 8 In article <ng4.733990422@husc.harvard.edu>, ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes: > > When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without > any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without > experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? > > Ho Leung Ng > ng4@husc.harvard.edu
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: What if the Dividians were black? Article-I.D.: NCoast.C528ww.L5M Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 35 As quoted from <1993Apr5.172734.8744@icd.ab.com> by kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead): > oleary@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (brian.m.leary) writes: > > > Questions for the media and the politically correct: > > > > Try asking people who don't understand why anyone would worry about > > the tactics used against the "child molesting, drug dealing, gun running, > > cop killing religious wackos in Waco" (1) these questions: > > > > If the people in the compound were black and the guys in ninja suits > > charging in with assault weapons and grenades were LAPD > > what would you think? > > > The charges are essentially the same they used against Operation MOVE > in Philadelphia a few years back, where the cops dropped an incendiary > bomb on the roof of a tenement and burned down a whole block. > > MOVE was a black group. There were some significant differences. Whereas the Branch Davidians are reported to have gotten along rather well with their neighbors, the MOVE people are generally conceded to have gone far out of the way to antagonize their BLACK neighbors, using loudspeakers to all hours of the night, keeping large piles of garbage, promoting rat and insect infestation, and allegedly threatening to kidnap their neighbors' children. Still the same sort of questions regarding use of force remain in that case. -- =================================================================== "You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas" - Holly Silva
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From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron. Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 4 I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom, RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don't they have garage sales in Russia? :-)
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From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 59 acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu wrote: : I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of : the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group : of the population. I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though 90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland, religious people are actually a minority. Could it be possible that many people believe in god "just in case"? It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes, but doesn't know what or how. People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle, they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say that they are not "born in the Spirit", but this does not disturb them. Religion is not something to think about. I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless - a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to. Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow (and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) ) : Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a : higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The : typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the : same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the : other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn : somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, : than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it : expresses its own selfishness. If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do. However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics. Is usefulness any criterion? Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.
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From: pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Wood) Subject: Re: Forsale: GENESIS GAMES Organization: Temple University Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Kelvin Williams (kwill@lunatix.uucp) wrote: : These games are forsale (or trade): : * Sonic Hedgehog II (two copies) : + manuals and cases .. : $25 each.. : (brand new!)_ Hello, I am interested in Sonic II but when I send to the address below I get mail bounced back with "Host unknow" error. : Please reply to : kwill@lunatix.UUCP : (subject: games) -- -=( Paul Wood )=- -=( pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu )=-
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From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hey Serdar, What are you retarded? ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ********************************************************************
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From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: "Ex-Gays?" (follow-up) Lines: 53 Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> I would like to apologize for the typos in the previous post. In retrospect I would also like to quote another source: Douglas C. Haldeman from his 1991 book _Homosexuality_ THERAPY INEFFECTIVE Recently the founders of yet another prominent "ex-gay" ministry, Exodus International, denounced their conversion therapy procedures as ineffective. Michael Busse and Gary Cooper, cofounders of Exodus International and lovers for 13 years, were involved with the organization from 1976 to 1979. The program was described by these men as "ineffective . . . not one person was healed." They stated that the program often exacerbated already prominent feelings of guilt and personal failure among the counselees; many were driven to suicidal thoughts as a result of the failed "reparative therapy." The previous article quoted in the last posting is from THE ADVOCATE, June 30, 1992 called "The Ex-Ex-Gay" by Robert Pela. Some personal thoughts: It is of no great astonishment that there is a concerted effort by a major portion of the Church to control and mandate change of a minority among its ranks. This was the momentum behind the Spanish Inquisition, only all they required was a confession of faith (after much torture) and then, to save their souls they would dispatch them to heaven through death. Even later, the Bible was used vigorously to defend slavery, oppression and segragation of African-Americans, even to the justification of lynchings. Today's scholars are just a bit more slick in their approach. The tool is still coersion, but now it is mostly by means of brainwashing and mind control, convincing people that they should see themselves as less than God sees them, then maintaining a cultic hold on them until it is felt thier mind-conditioning is complete. Sure, no one is "physically" forced to stay in this "reparative therapy" but sheer social pressure is enough for many to keep themselves in this new found bondage of self-hate. As an abolitionist I advocate the abolishment of oppression and persecution against gays in all facets of civil life. A person should be judged by the contibution, or non-contribution to the society in which they live, not by some high-brow standard of conformity imposed by those who haven';t a clue what is in their heart. For those who seek more information about Gays and groups that accept them please contact your nearest chapter of PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians And Gays) who will be more than happy to assist you. This is a group of people comprised of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals, their parents and friends who have formed a support group for help and understanding. Try talking to a parent of a gay son or daughter and learn some "first-hand" real life and loving understanding. God's love and understanding for Gay people is no less abundant. Thank you. PAX
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From: mikell@cactus.org (Mikell Vanderlaan) Subject: Unisys 22403 emulation Keywords: xterm term emulation Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 11 Has anyone seen source to an xterm package ready to perform UNISYS 22403 TERMINAL EMULATION. Got a clunker... and ... Got a connect! return: mikell@cactus.org -- ////////////////////////////mikell@cactus.org///////////////////////// ////////////////////Calame Linebarger Graham & Pena/////////////////// //////////////////////////////Attys AT Law////////////////////////////
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From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) Subject: More Diamond SS 24X Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology Lines: 11 Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. Thx Dave L