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7900 | From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Randy Weaver Trial - Day 2
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This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list.
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Hi Folks;
Wednesday marked day 2, the beginning of the trial. Opening
statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense,
each side presenting its version of what happenned last August.
The prosecution argued that Weaver and his family moved to
Idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the "evil" federal
government. The prosecution alleges that Weaver sold federal
agents "sawed off" shotguns and later failed to appear for
trial: Despite repeated "good faith" efforts to get Weaver
to surrender peacefully, Weaver refused. The shootout erupted
when Weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and
began firing. According to the prosecution, three people
were taking an "offensive action" against an FBI helicopter
when an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver.
The defense argued that Weaver and his family moved to northern
Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted
simply to be left alone. Weaver was induced by federal agents to
sell the short-barrelled shotgun (and did not, as the prosecution
alleged, want to become a "regular supplier"). The defense also
argued that the federal government sought to arrest Weaver when
he wouldn't become an informant [it is not specified explicitly,
but I assume that this is a reference to the white separatist
angle of the story. We'll know more as things develop]. The
failure to appear in court happenned because Weaver was given
an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date.
The shootout occurred when federal agent Arthur Roderick killed
Weaver's dog that was in proximity to Weaver's son, Samuel. Weaver
then fired in self-defense. In the ensuing battle, federal
agent William Degan was killed (when his gun was later found,
there were 7 .223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi-automatic:
However, agents were near the body for an extended period of
time and could have played with the select-fire - this will
have to be more fully explained). Finally, the defense claims
that Vicki Weaver was only going to "look at the body" [not recover?]
of her son when she was cut-down by an FBI sniper.
Prosecution quote: "Weaver wanted that confrontation, and he made
that confrontation." -- Asst. U.S. Attorney Kim Lindquist
Defense quote: "The evidence in this case is going to show that
this is a case where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are charged
with crimes they didn't commit in order to cover crimes that
the government did commit." -- Gerry Spence [nice soundbite!]
Notes: The _Idaho Statesman_ claims that Weaver supporters
heeded a call from Spence not to repeat yesterday's protests
outside the courthouse. However, the local NBC affiliate
again had footage on the 10:00 news with 5 supporters including
"Tim" again. "Tim" claimed he was a skinhead, who were "ordinary,
working class people." He also claimed he was for "white pride,
not white power."
Outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview
with Bo Gritz, who charged that the neo-nazi protestors are exactly
what the government wants to smear Randy Weaver.
In an affiliated article carried in the _Idaho Statesman_, about
a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the
courthouse. These lawyers were present to watch Gerry Spence
in action, and to perhaps learn something from him. Some
tidbits: Spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son Kent
were volunteering their time to represent Weaver because they
believed in him. Spence, during his 90-minute opening statement,
repeatedly walked behind Weaver and placed his hands on the
defendants shoulders (Weaver broke down and cried during the
recounting of his wife's death), and Spence compared the "sawed
off" shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 (another
good one!).
Today (Thursday, April 15th) the prosecution was scheduled to
begin presenting evidence.
Drew
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7901 | From: dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek A. Piasecki)
Subject: Ami Pro 3.0 and PCTools compress?!? Doesn't like being moved?
Keywords: Ami Pro 3.0 PCTools compress
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
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Has anyone had problems with Ami Pro 3.0 after running PCTools (v7.1)
compress? I have not corrupted data due to having caches other than
PC-Cache running, so that is not it. The first time I try to run Ami
Pro after loading windows, it loads, but causes (I think it was a)
segmentation fault in AMIPRO.EXE right before it finishes, with all times
after that only managing to get to the logo box that first pops up when
it begins loading, and then causes a general protection fault in module
AMIPROUI.DLL at 0002:1147. I have not been able to fix this problem except
by reinstalling Ami Pro. This has happened twice, with both times being
after having ran compress on my hard drive. BTW, I am not running stacker
or any other disk compression programs, and if you don't already know,
PCTools compress is actually a defragger, despite it's name. My system is
a 386-40MHz, with 16MB of RAM and a NEC (OEM) hard drive, etc, but that
shouldn't make a difference.
PLEASE email me as I can't keep up with the newsgroup, and it will cut down
on net traffic anyways. Thanks.
-Derek
dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu
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7902 | From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)
Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD!
Organization: Intelligent Systems Program
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m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>}>}(a) out of context;
>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other "promises of god" that we keep
>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK?
>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither.
>}
>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
>
>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again?
(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context
(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
(call it A) that took a quote out of context
(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
lack of X (a common creationist error)
(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(5) You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK,
or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite.
(6) Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned
taking quotes out of context in A.
(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
"Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
to follow from the sentence that preceded it.
(8) Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen
condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(9) But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this
(10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen
thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were
making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists.
Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it,
explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7)
may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say "yup."
dj
"Yup." -- Jim's e-mailed response when I pointed out, in a posted article,
that one of his arguments was a straw man argument, reminiscent of a
frequent creationist ploy. (3/22/93)
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7903 | From: Simon.N.McRae@dartmouth.edu (Simon N McRae)
Subject: re: hepatitis-b
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b10@newshost.dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Apr14.4274.32512@dosgate>
russell.sinclair-day@canrem.com (russell sinclair-day) writes:
> What we are really worried about is not knowing the facts. The doctor
> has stated that things will not be good if she is a carrier and avoids
> further questions on the subject. We really would like to know so we
> can take steps and plan in advance for any eventualities.
>
> Thank-you for your very informative post. Right now I am just trying
> to find out everything that I can.
>
> Russ.
Unfortunately, Hep B infection can eventuate in chronic hepatitis and
subsequent cirrhosis. Although not many patients with Hep B go on to
chronic hepatitis, it does still occur in a good number (20%?) and is
something to keep in mind. Hepatitis C (was: non-A, non-B Hep) much
more frequently leads to chronic hep and cirrhosis. There is also an
autimmune chronic hepatitis that affects mostly younger women which
also leads to cirrhosis.
Of course, cirrhosis is a most unkind disease. The most dangerous
effects relate to portal hypertension and loss of liver function.
Patients develop life-threatening variceal bleeds and hepatic comas,
among many other problems, as a result of disturbances in hepatic
circulation. Less ominously, they can exhibit the effects of
hyperestrogenemia which often characterize patients with cirrhosis.
These effects include telangiactasias (small red skin lesions) and, in
men, gynecomastia (breast development). The only real treatment for
cirrhosis is liver transplant.
Keep in mind that cirrhosis is not expected, at least statistically, in
your friend's case. Nevertheless you might want to bring up the
subject of chronic disease and cirrhosis with the doctor. Hopefully he
or she can then carefully explain these sequelae of Hep B infection to
you, and offer you support.
Simon.
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7904 | From: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me.
Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences
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Originator: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu
The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert
my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom:
> White House Announcement on Screw Thread Standards
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> This is to announce that the American National Standards
>Institute (or whatever it is) has been given the authority to define
>standard dimensions for screw threads.
Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our
own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought,
tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use
screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously*
define for us.
> The purpose of this is to permit industry to draw upon a standard
>pool of specifications and designations, to ensure interoperability of
>various threaded objects across vendors.
Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses,
allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily,
causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments.
> Questions and Answers on the ANSI screw thread standards
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>Q: Will the screw threads defined by ANSI be as good as other screw thread
>designs available elsewhere?
>
>A: Yes.
Hah! "trust us"
>Q: Will I be able to use my own screw threads if I desire?
>
>A: Of course, but this will make your threaded objects unlikely to
>interoperate correctly with others within the industry.
See??! See? This is the first step.
It is clear we must band together, write your congressman!
Use Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash.
Protect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you
desire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the
day. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ
Screw Thread Associates.
Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs!
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amolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or
Screw Threads | see the screw thread servers.
must be freed! |
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7905 | From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
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rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:
> >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
> >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
> Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN
> CONTEXT?
Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago.
> If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.
> It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual
> to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.
It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the
right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much
necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots
of American gun supporters. So I thought that...
Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal
with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my
experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm
Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh
well.
Regards,
Vesselin
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7906 | From: dschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu (Daniel S. Chen)
Subject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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What is hardware handshaking and when do I want to use it? Dan
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7907 | From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu)
Subject: WANTED: OPINIONS ON 75 MG
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I was wondering if anyone out in net-land have any opinions on MGs
in general. I know they are not the most reliable cars around but
summer is approaching and they are convertibles `8^). I'm interested
in a 75 MG but any opinions on MGs would be appreciated. Thanks.
Dave
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7908 | From: hambidge@bms.com
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Distribution: usa
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In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
>
>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
>
>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
>of ours.
>
>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
>to death 51 days later.
>
Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag?
Al
[standard disclaimer]
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7909 | From: gleasokr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Kris Gleason)
Subject: Re: Electric power line "balls"
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes:
>I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate
>some net.wisdom.
>His question is about some 18-24" diameter balls which are attached to
>electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between
>two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution.
>My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the
>inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?.
>Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this?
>Is there a better group to submit to?
>We'd both appreciate some enlightenment.
I think those are to make the lines more visible to airplanes and
helicopters... cheaper than blinking red lights.
'course I could be wrong.
Kris
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7910 | From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Gun Talk -- State legislative update
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Gun Talk
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April 19, 1993
As William O. Douglas noted, "If a powerful sponsor is lacking,
individual liberty withers -- in spite of glowing opinions and
resounding constitutional phrases."
The legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee,
committee, and floor action. Many important victories, however, come
from coordinating with legislators to ensure anti-gun/anti-hunting
legislation is either amended favorably, rejected, or never voted.
These quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our
fundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the
U.S. Constitution.
****
Arizona - SB 1233, NRA-supported legislation concerning minors in
criminal possession of firearms passed the House 36-18, is currently
awaiting action by the Governor.
Arkansas - HB 1447, Firearms Preemption Legislation was signed by the
Governor making this the forty-first state to pass preemption.
Preemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by
then Gov. Bill Clinton. HB 1417, mandatory storage of firearms,
amended and then killed in committee.
Colorado - SB 42, mandating the storage of firearms with a
trigger-lock, killed in committee. SB 104, prohibiting the sale of
certain semi-auto firearms was killed in committee. SB 108,
so-called Colorado Handgun Violence Prevention Act, including a
provision for a 10-day waiting period, killed in committee.
Connecticut - Substitute Bill No. 6372, imposing a 6% tax on all
firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment killed in Environment
Committee.
Florida - A bill to require a 3-year license at a cost of $150 to own
or possess semi-automatic firearms with a second degree felony
provision (15 years in prison) died in committee along with numerous
other anti-gun owner bills. No anti-gun legislation passed in
Florida this year.
Georgia - SB 12, supposed instant check with provision allowing for
up to a 7-day "waiting period," defeated in House Public Safety
Committee and sent to Interim Study committee. Mandatory storage
bill -- SB 247 -- was defeated 39-15 in the Senate. The same bill
passed the upper-House 52-2 in 1992.
Illinois - HB 90, prohibiting the sale, possession, manufacture,
purchase, possession, or carrying of certain semi-auto firearms, was
defeated in House Judiciary II Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 91,
mandatory storage legislation, failed in House Judiciary Subcommittee
on Firearms. HB 1550, repeals FOID and makes FTIP, point of sale
check permanent, passed out of Judiciary Committee by a 10-4-2 vote.
Presently on the calendar for third reading in the House.
SB 40, mandatory storage bill, defeated in committee.
SB 265, imposing a handgun excise tax, failed in Senate committee on
Revenue's Subcommittee on Tax Increases.
SB 272,imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of
selling firearms, failed in Senate Revenue Committee's Subcommittee
on Tax Increases.
Indiana - SB 241, Statewide Firearms Preemption, passed in the Senate
34-16, and in the House 77-22. Twelve amendments were introduced on
the House floor to SB 241. Among these amendments were a ban on
certain semi-auto firearms, Mandatory Storage, Trigger-Lock, a ban on
"Saturday Night Specials" (Similar to 1988 Maryland Bill), and
Handgun Rationing (one handgun per month). All were defeated.
[I read this morning (4/20) S.B. 241 was defeated -- lvc]
Kansas - HB 2435, providing for a 72-hour waiting period on all
firearms was defeated in committee. HB 2458, presently on the
Governor's desk, HB 2459 and SB 243 and 266 all relating to victims'
rights, are expected to be enacted into law.
Maine - Funding for the Department of Fish and Wildlife 1993-94
budget, was restored following severe reductions in the Governor's
proposed budget. LD 612, an anti-hunting bill which included reverse
posting and 1000 yard safety zones, killed in committee.
Maryland - SB 6-(Firearms Incendiary ammunition) died in committee on
a 8-3 vote, SB 41 (Reckless Endangerment - Firearms - Sale or
Transfer) died in committee on a 11-0 vote, SB 126 (Gun Control -
"Assault Weapons") died in committee on 9-2 vote, SB 182 (Weapons
-Free School Zone) was withdrawn, SB 185 (Weapons on School Property-
Driver's License Suspension was withdrawn, SB 265 ("Assault Pistols"
- Sale, Purchase or Transport) died in committee on 8-3 vote, SB 328
("Assault Pistols" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB
682 (Baltimore City-Firearms-Rifles and Shotguns) died in committee
on a 9-2 vote.
HB 274 (Pistol and Revolver Dealers Licenses - compliance with zoning
laws) was withdrawn, HB 366 (Regulated Firearms-sales and transfer)
died on the Senate Floor, HB 374 (Handguns and "assault weapons" -
Advertising for sale or transfer) died in committee, HB 384 (Handguns
and "Assault Weapons" - Exhibitors) died in committee, HB 495
("Assault Pistols" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 14-9 vote, HB
496 (Gun Shows-Sale, Trade, or Transfer of regulated firearms) died
in committee on a 19-6 vote, HB 601 (Firearms - Handguns - "Assault
Pistols" - Handgun Roster Board) was withdrawn, HB 683 (Rifles and
Shotguns - Registration) was withdrawn, HB 945 (Pistols and Revolvers
- Private sales or transfers- required notice) died in committee,
and HB 1128 Prince Georges County -
Weapons - Free School Zone) was withdrawn.
Mississippi - HB 141, closing a loophole allowing felons to possess
firearms, passed both Houses and signed by the Governor. The bill
codifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their Second
Amendment liberties reinstated.
Nebraska - LB 83 and LB 225, mandatory trigger-lock bills, killed in
committee.
New Hampshire - H.B. 363, providing for reciprocity for concealed
carry licenses passed. H.B. 671, increasing the term of a License
to Carry Loaded Handguns passed.
New Mexico - SB 762, imposing a 7-day "waiting period," defeated in
Senate committee (0-5) and then on floor of the Senate (15-24). HB
182, mandatory storage legislation, was killed by a vote of 1-8 in
committee. HB 230, legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field
from harassment by animal rights extremists, signed into law by the
Governor on March 30.
New York - Seven-day waiting period was defeated in the City of
Buffalo. Ban on certain semi-autos was defeated in Monroe County.
The tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not
included in the 1993-94 budget. SB 207, making pistol licenses
provides for validity of pistol license throughout the state, passed
Senate. Currently awaiting action in Assembly committee.
North Dakota - HB 1484, granting victims compensation in certain
circumstances, was signed into law by the Governor on April 8.
Oregon - SB 334, banning firearms on school grounds and in court
buildings, withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition.
Rhode Island - HB 5273, mandatory firearms storage legislation,
defeated in committee by a vote of 8-5. HB 6347, an act prohibiting
aliens from owning firearm; defeated by unanimous vote in committee.
HB 5650, excepting NRA instructors from the firearms safety
requirement, reported favorably. HB 5781, exempting persons with an
Attorney General's permit from the 7-day waiting period, reported to
the floor by a vote of 11-1.
HB 6917, extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to
three years, reported to the floor unanimously.
Utah HB 290, reforming the state's concealed carry statute, passed
out of House committee. SB 32, creating civil liability for
so-called negligent storage of a firearm, and SB 33 creating the
offense of "reckless endangerment" with a firearm, killed on Senate
floor.
Virginia: S.B. 336, and S.B. 803, requiring proof of state residence
to obtain Virginia Driver's License passed. S.B. 804, which
increases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for
"straw man" purchases of multiple firearms passed. S.B. 858,
allowing possession of "sawed-off" rifles and shotguns in compliance
with federal law passed. S.B. 1054, making it a felony for first
offense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license (which the
NRA opposes until law-abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry
license for self-defense), was defeated. H.B. 1900, increasing the
penalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed. H.B.
2076, requiring proof of residence to obtain a driver's license
passed. H.B. 2272, providing for a referendum on the imposition of a
statewide three- day "waiting period" in handgun purchases was
defeated.
Washington: SB 5160, calling for waiting periods and licensing for
all semi-automatic firearms, died in committee.
West Virginia - S.C.R. 18, which calls for a study to control
transfers of handguns and "Assault Weapons" was defeated in the
Senate 24-10.
Wisconsin - In a referendum up against all odds, the determined
efforts of the Madison Area Citizens Against Crime paid off on April
6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in
Madison, Wisconsin, was defeated. Despite opposition to the ban --
aired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on
the issue -- the Common Council voted on February 17 to place the
referendum on the ballot, allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to
reverse public opinion on the controversial issue.
An October 1992 poll conducted by the Wisconsin State Journal found
57% in support and 38% opposed, with 5% expressing no opinion. By
election day, of the more than 56,000 voters who went to the polls,
51% cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49% voted to
have the Madison Common Council enact such a ban. The campaign
committee, spearheaded by the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and NRA-ILA,
relied on neighborhood canvassing, direct mail and radio/TV
advertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications
raised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved.
Despite the surprising defeat, it is expected that the Madison
initiative's chief proponent, Mayor Paul Soglin, will attempt to have
the Common Council enact an ordinance banning handguns.
Downloaded from GUN-TALK (703-719-6406)
A service of the
National Rifle Association
Institute for Legislative Action
Washington, DC 20036
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Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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7911 | From: randolin@polisci.umn.edu (Robert Andolina)
Subject: minnesota scene
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Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
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To those who are wondering what is happening in Minnesota:
From what I have seen in the local news (TV and newspaper), various people
in the area are trying to get a new hockey team. A columnist for the St.
Paul "Pioneer Press" wrote an article giving the "inside scoop" on the
issue. There are three local sites competing for a team and three possible
candiates to move to the Twin Cities. First the sites: Target Center, Civic
Center (St. Paul), and yes, even the Met Center. The columnist was pretty
confident that Minnesota will get a team, and that the Target Center will
ultimately win out. He argued, however, that the competition from the other
two sites will delay the process considerably. Without the
inter-site competition, the columnist (sorry, I can't remember his name)
believes that Minnesota would have a team by the 1994-95 season. Also,
because of the situation with the Timberwolves, things will be delayed
until (unless) the city of Minneapolis takes over the Target Center.
However, they are unlikely to do so until the Met Center is destroyed,
because the city will lose money if there is competition from the Met for
conventions and short-term events (even with hockey at Target). To add to
this mess, a STUDY (6 to 12 months) is going to be conducted on the future
viability of the Met Center, which obviously delays the process even
further. I hope that the study is cancelled, which will have the effect of
knocking the Met Center out of the running and perhaps encouraging
Minneapolis to take over the Target Center sooner. The city would be
be even more encourged if the wrecking ball is taken to the Met,
which may happen.
Regarding possible candidates, the three teams are
Hartford, Tampa Bay, and New Jersey. I would prefer the Devils (Minnesota "
Ice Demons?") although the Lightning may have potential. Although it hasn't
been announced yet, it looks like 6 neutral site games will be played at the
Target Center next year. Apparently the Devils are interested in playing in
as many of those six games as possible, and I wouldn't be surprised to see
Hartford and Tampa show up there either. So, Minnesota may end up
getting another team, but it may take a few years.
Go Sabres!
Robert Andolina (former Buffalonian living in Minneapolis)
randolin@polisci.umn.edu
|
7912 | From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H)
Subject: Re: where to find comm ports with IRQs other than 3 and 4.
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 23
hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton) writes:
>a friend of mine recently got such a serial card. i'll have to
>ask him to verify the details, but as i recall, he paid ~$50, it's
>made by STB, it has 2 (or was it 4?) ports, and it supports the AT
>IRQs (8-15) in addition to the convention ones. i'm sure of the
>last, because he had trouble finding comm software that would allow
>him to override the "standard" IRQ assignments.
Unfortunately there a *LOT* of such software. I also find it to be
the case that the majority of the software that is BAD in this regard
is COMMERCIAL software. Way too many commercial packages are very
poorly written. But then most of the programs in MS-DOS are crap, such
as the PRINT command TSR that locks up your system for long periods of
time when the printer is full instead of trying every clock tick.
Back to comm software... I find success with TELIX (my COM3 at 3e8/5
works ok on TELIX).
--
| Phil Howard, pdh@netcom.com, KA9WGN Spell protection? "1(911)A1" |
| Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY |
| Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
7913 | From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory)
Subject: AVI file format?
Summary: AVI file format?
Keywords: AVI file format?
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au
Hi,
would someone please email the new AVI file
format. I'm sure that many people would
like to know what it is exactly.
Thank you
Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering,
P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.
--
Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060
Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering,
P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.
|
7914 | From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Lines: 36
In <1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes:
>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
The Leafs have always been kind of comical. During the second Imlach
era, when Darryl Sittler was called a "cancer on the team", he tore the
C off his sweater and for a while the Leafs didn't have a Captain.
Sittler eventually ended up in Philly and he was promised the Philly
captaincy by new GM (and Sittler's friend) Bobby Clarke. Instead,
Sittler got traded to Detroit.
Rick Vaive was the Leaf Captain for awhile but he slept in one day and
they took the captaincy away from him. Then he was traded to Chicago.
During Doug Carpenter's tenure as Leaf coach, in an attempt to kiss
the ass of a sulking Gary Leeman, the Leafs took the A away from Brad
Marsh to give to Leeman. Leeman wouldn't take it and when they tried
to give it back to Marsh, he wouldn't take it neither.
The best story I remember about a captain concerned Mel Bridgman, late
of the Senators. While he was in Philadelphia, Bobby Clarke, arguably
one of the great captains of all time, was bumped up to the status of
playing coach and so he had to relinquish the captaincy. Bridgman be-
came the new captain. A reporter asked a Flyer what Bridgman did as a
captain since Clarke was still the undisputed leader amongst the
players. The reporter was told that Bridgman was in charge of making
sure that the soap dispensers in the showers were always full.
--
cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
|
7915 | From: ari@tahko.lpr.carel.fi (Ari Suutari)
Subject: Any graphics packages available for AIX ?
Organization: Carelcomp Oy
Lines: 24
NNTP-Posting-Host: tahko.lpr.carel.fi
Keywords: gks graphics
Does anybody know if there are any good 2d-graphics packages
available for IBM RS/6000 & AIX ? I'm looking for something
like DEC's GKS or Hewlett-Packards Starbase, both of which
have reasonably good support for different output devices
like plotters, terminals, X etc.
I have tried also xgks from X11 distribution and IBM's implementation
of Phigs. Both of them work but we require more output devices
than just X-windows.
Our salesman at IBM was not very familiar with graphics and
I am not expecting for any good solutions from there.
Ari
---
Ari Suutari ari@carel.fi
Carelcomp Oy
Lappeenranta
FINLAND
|
7916 | From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande)
Subject: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...)
Article-I.D.: ug.1993Apr5.113128.2936
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Lines: 16
Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156
On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my
root display with HP Vue?
All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their
Backdrop Style Manager.
xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue
puts there.
Thanks, Jan
--
Jan Vandenbrande
jan@ug.eds.com (New address)
jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards)
UUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan
|
7917 | From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I am an android..)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
Lines: 29
NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cc.utexas.edu
In article <1993Apr21.113723.10103@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes:
]In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
]>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
]>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
]>>
]>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
]>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
]>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
]>>> in Texas.
]>>
]>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?
]>
]>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.
]>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.
]
]Ever hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done.
]How effective is an electric stove then?
Didn't the Branch Davidans have an emergency generator? Oh well, I don't think
Brent thought of that anyway.
--
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
|Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon) wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu|
|The Earth is our cradle, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever... |
|People's organizations rarely stay that way... or even begin as such. |
|I only speak for myself. If I *did* speak for UT, would anyone listen?|
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
|
7918 | From: gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Greg Nikolic)
Subject: Re: Damn Furriners Be Taken Over
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 59
In article <Apr.2.23.41.04.1993.607@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>In article <1pa6pt$63r@access.digex.com> hess@access.digex.com (Paul Hess) writes:
>> that drag the US down and cause problems at home and abroad.
>Rank balderdash! America's reputation abroad has become tarnished
>because of feckless and pusillanimous cowards who apparently do not
>have the requisite gonads to stand up for American honor and dignity.
Don't be ridiculous, Kaldis. I suggest you give the "Ugly American"
concept, which I can easily see you demonstrating, a good hard second look.
>> The American Way is not the ONLY way, it's not necessarally the BEST
>> way, and it is incredibly arrogant to even think that.
>
>The American Way may not be the only way, and you may not consider it
>to be necessarily the best way, but, by God, it's _OUR_ way and we're
>going to stick with it! If you can't go along with the program, then
>perhaps you should consider moving elsewhere.
Dear God. Didn't this die out in the fifties with McCarthy and the
blacklists?
>> I've spent quite a bit of time in different provinces of Canada and
>> let me tell you, it is very refreshing to spend time with people who
>> are not full of arrogant nationalism and empty patriotism.
>That is exactly the _PROBLEM_ with Canadians! They don't stand for
>anything with certitude.
Didn't your mother ever teach you not to generalize? I am a Canadian, and
I stand up for _too many_ things with _too much_ certitude.
>> The Canadians I know well enough to say this about, seem to have a
>> great deal of pride in their provinces and their country, but they
>> aren't blinded by flags and ideals like many Americans are.
>Could this be because they are bereft of ideals?
Uh huh. This must explain the world reknowned, record low American crime
rate. I see now, it's all becoming so clear to me.
>> Well, I've said too much,
>Yes you have.
No he hasn't.
>> but I was so angered by your words that I felt I had to say something.
>> Sorry to intrude.
>You pipsqueak! You mouse! If you are sorry to intrude then why do
>it? Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Hell, do you
>even have any convictions to start with? What kind of example of
>manly dignity is this? Sheesh!
Remarkable audacity and misguidance. What you take for your own courage,
sir, is nothing more than simple loud-mouthedness coupled with unrestrained
bragging.
--
"Please allow me to introduce myself. SYMPATHY
I'm a man of wealth and taste. FOR THE DEVIL
I've been around for long, long years. the Laibach
Stolen many a man's soul, and faith." remixes
|
7919 | From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr17.181013.3743@uvm.edu> hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes:
>Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than
>sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces
>when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to
>for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate
>substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde
>produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to
>living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it.
Aspartame is the methyl ester of a dipeptide, so a product of its
hydrolysis is going to be methanol, which can then be oxidized to
formaldehyde. The amounts of methanol formed from the ingestion of
aspartame-containing foods are completely in the metabolic noise,
since you're forming equally minute amounts of methanol from other
components of food all the time. In studies involving administration
of high doses of the additive, blood methanol levels were undetectable.
Methanol is a poison only in quantities seen in human poisonings,
say 5ml and above. This is a consequence of its oxidation to formaldehyde
and formic acid, two quite reactive compounds which at high enough levels
can damage tissues like the retina and kidney, because at such high doses
the body's detoxification system is overwhelmed. Interestingly, one
treatment for early methanol poisoning is to get the person drunk on
ethyl alcohol--vodka or an equivalent. That's because ethanol is
metabolized preferentially over methanol by the enzymes in the liver.
If the methanol stays as methanol and isn't metabolized to formaldehyde,
it is actually relatively non-toxic.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
|
7920 | From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 45
In article <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>
>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model?
>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My
>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine
>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>>
>>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>
>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>
>>Craig
>
> I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT." I'm pretty sure
Well the European Manta and US GT have entirely different bodies. There is
little or no chance that they are the same. The Manta went through several
generations as the coupe version of the Ascona and was OK in its time.
>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the
Not true. The Kadett has been in and out of the US market over the years.
The LeMans (old Kadett) is only the latest version.
Craig
>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
Different Cars. One looks like a sports-car, the other is a coupe.
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
|
7921 | From: asson@chacmool.stsci.edu (Drew Justin Asson)
Subject: Ext. Hard Drives for my SE/30
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Lines: 20
I'm interested in getting an external hard drive for my SE/30. I've
got an internal 40MB that's pretty full, even with compression s/w.
Alot of people talk about $/MB, what's a good ratio? I'm thinking of adding
either an 80 or a 100 (or 105). What brands would people suggest? Finally,
places to buy from? Are more popular mail-order places better to order from
or the places that JUST sell hard drives (e.g. ones that advertise in the back
of MacWorld and MacUser).
Thanks in advance. If e-mail replies are sent, I'll compile them and post
them.
-- Drew
--
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| Drew J. Asson | Space Telescope Science Institute |
| AI Senior Software Engineer | 3700 San Martin Drive |
| Advance Planning Systems Branch | Baltimore, MD 21218, USA |
| Internet: asson@stsci.edu | (410) 338-4474 [338-1592 (fax)] |
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|
7922 | From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 33
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:
>In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:
>> Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why
>>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,
>>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.
>
>assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of
>a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts. i guess toyota
>didn't care about "little" details like that when they can brag about
>the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.
>
>myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or
>recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no
>balance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you
>ever want a halfway decent engine.
>
>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do
>except to sell it and get a V6.
>
>
>eliot
nice theory. too bad the MR2's never came with a four cylinder over 2.0
liters. More like 1.6. Or did they? were the nonturbo MR2II's 2.2 or
some such?
I also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders, must
pay SAAB a royalty for using their patented design..like Porsche's 3.0 I4...
c ya
DREW
|
7923 | From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD)
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Lines: 52
In article <1993Apr22.202051.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes:
> In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes:
>>
>> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's
>> disease.
>>
>> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables,
>> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence.
>>
>> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the
>> problems of people with Crohn's disease ?
>>
>> (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric).
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> John Eyles
>
> All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While
> most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who
> are in "private practice" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their
> patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get
> your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for
> the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The
> better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's
> plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to
> control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal.
> Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and
> lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but
> I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For
If you do a MEDLINE search on "turmeric" you'll see that it is a potent
lipoxygenase inhibitor which is being investigated in a number of areas.
I'm in cardiology and about 4 years ago the cardiothoracic surgery lab at my
hospital compared the effect of a teaspoon of dissolved turmeric vs. a $2000
bolus of tPA in preventing myocardial reperfusion injury in a perfused
Langendorff sheep heart. The turmeric was more effective :-)
A colleague of mine in the School of Pharmacy (Dr. Ron Kohen) has a paper "in
press" on the free radical scavenging activity and antioxidant activity of tea.
Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
> bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects
> are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing
> a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with
> inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet.
>
> Marty B.
|
7924 | From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)
Subject: Re: WFAN
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 27
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
In article <1993Apr16.174843.28111@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
>On the serious side: Maybe we should have a sub for Sports Radio/TV.
>
>As much as people complain about one station or another, the
>information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on
>the AP wire or USA Today. So, to benefit those who have favorite
>teams outside of their vicinity, this would do wonders. People can
>get on and talk about what Cataldi said about the Eagles or what
>Lupica said of the Bonilla incident etc. This can be for any station
>across the country. Anyone agree?
I agree, although I would have no idea how to go about doing it. But
you've got my vote.
--I'm outta here like Vladimir
--Alan
===========================================================================
| "What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets |
| too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when |
| they get too sexually frustrated." |
| -Val Kilmer, "Real Genius" |
===========================================================================
|
7925 | From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Lines: 19
In article <1r8pcn$rm1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu (Donald Mackie) writes:
:In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff,
:tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes:
:>Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an
:>authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that
:>is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?
:
:I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of
:the major ingredients. :-)
:
The only recipies I've ever seen for this include plain yogurt, finely
chopped cucumber and a couple of crushed cloves of garlic -- yummy.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =
= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer!" =
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|
7926 | From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Reboot when I start windows.
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: week.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 21
Recently the following problem has arrisen. The first time I turn on my
computer when windows starts (from my autoexec) after the win31 title screen
the computer reboots on its own. Usually the second time (after reboot) or
from the DOS prompt everything works fine.
s far as I remember I have not changed my config.sys or autoxec.bat or
win.ini. I can't remember whether this problem occured before I
optimized/defragmented my disk and created a larger swap file (Thank you
MathCAD 4 :( )
System 386sx, 4MB, stacker 2.0, win31, DOS 5
---
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| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, |
| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human |
| | stupidity, and I'm not sure |
| | about the former. - Einstein |
| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------|
| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra |
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|
7927 | From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Lines: 16
In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
Geez, what happened? She got a ticket for driving too slow???
| ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then? Okay.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
|
7928 | From: jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu (John Denune)
Subject: Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
Lines: 18
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pandora.sdsu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Karl Elvis MacRae (kmac@cisco.com) wrote:
: I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all
: three have any strong opinions?
:
: Ford Explorer
: Toyota 4Runner
: Nissan Pathfinder
Well, I was just in your position and I drove all three and liked
all three. It was a toss-up. I marginally went with the Pathfinder
based on reliability and looks.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
---John
jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu
|
7929 | From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Carb Cleaners - Do they work??? (Performance?) Carb rebuild?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 34
In article <1993Apr15.062557.1224@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>In article <C5Fyt4.JBy@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> schaffer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Doug Schaffer) writes:
>>
>>How hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic?
>>I've done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes.
>
>The hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake
>manifold. Rebuilding a carb is fun, if you're into things with
>lots of little parts. I used to rebuild them for all my friends'
>cars in high school, so it doesn't take a PhD. Buy a carb rebuilding
>kit from an auto supply store. Buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning
>solvent you can find (do they still make Tyme?) -- as a rule of thumb,
>buy the one with the scariest warning labels. Put it into a metal(!)
>bucket. Make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of
>a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it. If the carb cleaner
>doesn't strip the paint right off the coffee can, you're not
>using the right stuff. Use the can to soak the little stuff, and
>just hang the big parts from a coat hanger. Wash them off with a
>garden hose, wipe off excess water with paper towels, and air dry.
>Then remember where all the little parts go. Follow the rebuild
>kit's instructions concerning float height, choke tension, etc.
>Bolt it back on the engine and admire the super-clean carb on the
>filthy engine.
Heed this man's warnings! If you get carb cleaner this strong on
your hands, your hands will be eaten away. Not pretty. Hence the "dipping
can" method.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
|
7930 | From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked)
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
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Brad Banko writes:
>While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1
>this evening, I got a "program has violated system integrity... close all
>applications, exit windows and restart your computer" error.
Gawd, I love Windows :-)
>1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order?
>What might be some better approaches?
You'll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them
fresh. Data files should be examined and repaired.
>2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more
>vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they
>cache data writing.)
You're not stupid. Smartdrive caches things, and Windows also runs a
swap file which may contain data also. All of this is pretty risky
stuff in a PC environment.
>The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to
>fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows
>and a few other things.
A reasonably accurate prediction...
Here's a brief description of how DOS stores files:
There are three pieces to a file. The directory entry, the FAT chain,
and the data area. You can think of these as a sheet of lined
notebook paper, a sheet of graph paper, and a stack of 3X5 cards.
The directory entry (notebook paper) holds the file name, actual size,
and first cluster number. It also holds some other information that's not
important right now.
The File Allocation Table (FAT) chain (graph paper) tells where to find
the actual data. Each square of graph paper holds a number. If the
number is zero, the cluster associated with this box is available. If it
holds a "magic" number, it is either the last piece of a file or a bad
(unuseable) spot on the disk. Any other number tells which cluster
contains the next section of the file.
The data area (3X5 cards) is where the actual information is stored.
The data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size; storage is
doled out in "chunks" of one cluster each. (In your case, one cluster
is 2048 bytes.) As a cluster is filled, another is allocated.
To read a file, you first look at the directory entry to get the
starting cluster number. Now you read the data from that cluster.
Next, look at the FAT entry for the cluster you just read. This will
tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file.
Naturally, these numbers are usually sequential, but they can jump
around and even go backwards. Continue reading, one cluster at a
time, as you walk this chain through the FAT, until you hit the marker
which says it's the last cluster in the file.
CHKDSK is the DOS utility that checks the sanity and coherence of
the directories and the FAT and can bludgeon most flaws into
submission. It doesn't have any intelligence, so you have to
double-check anything it "fixes".
Now let's do a bit of a post-mortem:
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG
>C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X
>C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE
> Allocation error, size adjusted
All of these files have sizes (according to the FAT) which don't match
the size reported in their directory entries. CHKDSK /F will alter
the directory entries to match the FAT size. (In other words, the
directory entry for CVPIC.EXE may say the file is 64,877 bytes long.
But CHKDSK found a FAT chain of 43 clusters attached to it. (My numbers,
obviously, are made up.))
> 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains.
> 647168 bytes disk space would be freed
Disk space was found which is allocated in the FAT, but is not attached
to any directory entry. CHKDSK /F gives you the option of converting these
"lost chains" to files. You can then examine the files (FILE0000.CHK
through FILE0223.CHK) and rename or discard them. Or, if you tell
CHKDSK _not_ to convert them to files, then those clusters will simply
be marked "available" in the FAT.
>C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE
> Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133
...
>C:\386SPART.PAR
> Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133
These files are both referencing the _same_ data cluster. Obviously,
one of them (at least) must be wrong. It's interesting to note that
C:\386SPART.PAR is your Windows swap file...
To fix this, you should copy each cross-linked file to a new name.
This will "fix" the cross-link by giving the files unique data spaces.
Now delete the cross-linked files. Examine the copies and try to
assemble them properly. Good luck. (Hint: "Missing pieces" are
likely to be found in those "lost chains" at the top...)
> 42366976 bytes total disk space
> 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files
> 153600 bytes in 67 directories
> 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files
> 1564672 bytes available on disk
Your disk is pretty close to full. This may be the actual cause of
the problem; perhaps Windows needed to expand its swapfile by an
amount which exceeded available disk space...
In any case, the short summary is that something trashed your FAT.
There are utilities that can mirror your FAT and help repair damage
after something like this, but you have to run them _before_ the
problem occurs. Sorry.
--
----------------------------------------------------
Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
--
----------------------------------------------------
Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
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7931 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/...
Lines: 5
Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David
Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading
he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his
chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting
Duke.
|
7932 | Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
From: Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
To: NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
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>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it." A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt. She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place. That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.
Seems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired.
Isn't that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such?
Say, that's another thing that bugs me. Why don't people scrape their
damn windows? I've seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver's
half of the windshield cleared. Nothing else cleared. This seems
pretty stupid and isn't there something (probably varies state to state)
that says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear? Oh, well.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Thone
Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
St. Louis, MO
c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu
c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet
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7933 | From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)
Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window
Reply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
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In article <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl>, rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) writes:
|> bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes:
|> >
|> > try this after XCreateWindow:
|> > -----------------------------
|> > ...
|> >
|> > xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */
|> > ...
|> > XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints);
|> > ...
|> >
|> > These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window
|> > are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these
|> > values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window
|> > manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user.
|> > I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer
|> > if you specify the position and size like above.
|>
|> Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position
|> and the window at a position below it.
The reason they place their outside corner at the location you requested
is because that's what the ICCCM says they should do.
|> This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current
|> configuration and restore is later.
|>
|> Currently, my solution is:
|>
|> XCreateWindow(...);
|> XSetWMProperties(..);
|> XMapWindow(...);
|> XFlush(...);
|> XMoveWindow(...);
This code will almost certainly break. Calling XMapWindow and then
XFlush does not guarantee that the window is visible and managed by the
window manager. Even if this did work, there isn't a reliable way to
find out how much decoration the window manager placed around your
window, so you don't know how far to move it. And what if the window
manager refuses to move your window?
--
Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM
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7934 | From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning)
Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
Organization: Computing Research Lab
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<1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>
<C5uvn4.MF7@austin.ibm.com> <strnlghtC5wCMo.Fx5@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: lole.nmsu.edu
In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:59:12 GMT
In article <strnlghtC5wCMo.Fx5@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David
Sternlight) writes:
>At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was
>des encryped and the person that had sent it, went on vaction.
>Rather than wait two weeks I set up a straight frontal attack with
>one key at a time. It only took two(2) days to crack the file.
>No, I don't have any faith in DES.
Taking this at face value (though it seems quite dissonant with
much else that has been published here about brute force DES
cracking, unless Russell was lucky with respect to the key), I'd be
very interested in whether the program Russell used is available?
key search is very practical in many real situations since people use
such stupid keys on the average. password crackers know this well.
Depending on his answer, this could be an appalling development
calling into question both DES and RSA/DES.
not really. in fact, public key based communication systems very
often pick keys automatically which are much better than passwords or
pass phrases.
If any bright programmer with a little idle machine time can crack
a single DES message in a couple of days (assuming no tricks that
are message-specific),
if a person picked the password or pass phrase, then the key search is
pretty straightforward. in running english text, the average content
of a single word is about 8 bits. in pass phrases, this may increase
to 10 bits or so. searching 30bit spaces is semi-practical even in
software and searching 40bit spaces isn't outrageous to imagine with
hardware assists of moderate size.
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7935 | From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue
Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO
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In article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes:
>
>Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list
>
>8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work,
> to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems
> that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more
> efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to
> cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about
> taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair
> share!
Some people pay shares that are more "fair" than others, and will continue
to do so, even with the presence of President Clinton. Until the rich
elite *hurt* from taxes and shower me with their blood dripping from the
wound of the tax dagger, I will scream and yell. Because, taxes are
killing the poor and middle-class, and I'm tired of the wealthy getting
a free ride in this country. Sure, they pay a lot of taxes, but I want
them to SHARE MY PAIN!!
And, not even Slick Willy is *that* fair, is he, seeing that he and his
wife qualify as one of those wealthy people I was talking about? [They're
on the lower end of "wealthy", but "wealthy" they are.]
>7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give
> up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're
> willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an
> enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our
> friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes!
Yah, I think the draft for Vietnam was a sack of shit. But, do we get
to pick and choose which laws we obey, Mr. Chaudhary? If so, shall we
set up a "you follow the laws you like, and I'll follow the laws I
like" arrangement?
>6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch!
I never thought much of beaded curtains.
Now beaded seat-covers, on the other hand....
>5. [Health care is a human right--deleted]
I didn't think I was going to respond to this, but I changed my mind.
Tell me, why do you think health care is a human right?
This isn't a flame or anything, I just wonder. Next thing you know,
free public transportation will be a human right. Maybe membership
at prestigious health spas?
[Sorry to grease the hill on ya there....]
>4. Make love, not War!
Be sure and wrap that wanker when you go spreadin' that free love stuff
around. (Or, after the FDA gets its thumb out of its ass, use that neat
new "Reality" femi-condom.)
>3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist
> at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity
> to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force
> them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly
> have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender
> discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of
> the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it.
So do I. Amen. And all that.
>1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!!
What the hell is an "acadamia" anyway? Is that like a macadamia?
cpk
--
It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is?
Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid
of what he might grab hold of.
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7936 | From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA
Keywords: wicked-sexist
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford
> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of
> the Harleys is going.
>
> 1988 883 XLHD
> ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?
> Jeff deRienzo
-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. |
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7937 | From: lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: comp.graphics.programmer
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities
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Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu
In article <andreasa.157.735211806@dhhalden.no>, andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) writes:
|>Hello netters
|>
|>Sorry, I don't know if this is the right way of doing this kind of thing,
|>probably should be a CFV, but since I don't have tha ability to create a
|>news group myself, I just want to start the discussion.
|>
|>I enjoy reading c.g very much, but I often find it difficult to sort out what
|>I'm interested in. Everything from screen-drivers, graphics cards, graphics
|>programming and graphics programs are discused here. What I'd like is a
|>comp.graphics.programmer news group.
|>What do you other think.
This sounds wonderful, but it seems no one either wants to spend time doing
this, or they don't have the power to do so. For example, I would like
to see a comp.graphics architecture like this:
comp.graphics.algorithms.2d
comp.graphics.algorithms.3d
comp.graphics.algorithms.misc
comp.graphics.hardware
comp.graphics.misc
comp.graphics.software/apps
However, that is almost overkill. Something more like this would probably
make EVERYONE a lot happier:
comp.graphics.programmer
comp.graphics.hardware
comp.graphics.apps
comp.graphics.misc
It would be nice to see specialized groups devote to 2d, 3d, morphing,
raytracing, image processing, interactive graphics, toolkits, languages,
object systems, etc. but these could be posted to a relevant group or
have a mailing list organized.
That way when someone reads news they don't have to see these subject
headings, which are rather disparate:
System specific stuff ( should be under comp.sys or comp.os.???.programmer ):
"Need help programming GL"
"ModeX programming information?"
"Fast sprites on PC"
Hardware technical stuff:
"Speed of Weitek P9000"
"Drivers for SpeedStar 24X"
Applications oriented stuff:
"VistaPro 3.0 help"
"How good is 3dStudio?"
"Best image processing program for Amiga"
Programming oriented stuff:
"Fast polygon routine needed"
"Good morphing alogirhtm wanted"
"Best depth sort for triangles?"
"Which C++ library to get?"
I wish someone with the power would get a CFD and then a CFV going on
this stuff....this newsgroup needs it.
Brian
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7938 | From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: Kol Israel Broacasts
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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In article <1993Apr16.174056.13368@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin) writes:
>Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different
>languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your
>assistance would be greatly appreciated
>
>GF
Try thr rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup.
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7939 | From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement
Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences
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Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu
In article <gradyC5uAMw.BnG@netcom.com> grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes:
>I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of
>course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is
>not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes
>every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the
>colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here).
I really like these claims. Where did they come from? We hear,
practically daily, that the NSA monitors, oh, everything. They can
crack anything. They'd never release a cryptosystem they couldn't crack.
Where do people get these fascinating facts? 'The Puzzle Palace'?
If you can get it for a buck, 2nd hand, it must be true, eh? I'm pretty
sure the NSA is supposed to, among many other things, provide high-quality
cryptosystems to a variety of places. I don't recall reading anywhere
reliable that they're supposed to:
1) Monitor my phonecalls.
2) Monitor usenet.
3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack.
4) etc etc.
This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't
know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost
all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you',
your claims about the NSA border on paranoia.
Andrew
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7940 | From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50
Organization: Megatest Corporation
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In article <C5qwv2.Bz0@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <sgberg.23xu@charon.bloomington.in.us> sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) writes:
>>... I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU
>>was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system...
>>P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-)
>
>The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works
>*exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means
>there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure;
>you might never run into them in practice.
>
XC units are often pre-production sample devices. Those are normally
distributed for evaluation as freebies and are not guaranteed to
meet every spec.
>At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies...
Yep, that's for sure...that's one thing I like most about Motorola.
aaron
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7941 | From: hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali)
Subject: Re: Clinton's views on Jerusalem
Originator: hamid@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
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In article <1993Apr16.121356.28417@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes:
|> I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated
|> that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as
|> Israel's capital. According to the article, Mr. Clinton
|> reaffirmed this after winning the presidency. However,
|> during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of
|> State Christopher stated that "the status of Jerusalem
|> will be a final matter of discussion between the parties".
|>
|> Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status
|> of Jerusalem. All I want to know is if anyone can
|> authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc.
|>
This would be one of the results of "U.S. backed PEACE!!!!!!" process.
Hamid
|> Thank you.
|>
|> Ben.
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7942 | From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18
Organization: Cadkey, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) writes:
> Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to
> play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov,
> and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not
> the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly
> in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the
> New York Rangers.
What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC?
I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for
Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play
for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed
the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the
Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could
they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield?
-SG
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7943 | From: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov.cr.usgs.gov (Noel S. Gorelick)
Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov
Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: MercWorks, Denver
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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Alan Barrett (barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za) wrote:
> In article <C5LGAz.250@dove.nist.gov>,
> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
>
>> In making this decision, I do
>> not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the
>> government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that
>> are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key-
>> escrow system.
>
> "In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from
> developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits
> or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."
>
Doesn't this just mean that the government might not approve
something for use by other government agencies. This does not
sound to me to be any form of threat that Joe User can't develop
and use his own encryption algorithm.
--
"You want it should sing too?" | /* Yeah we got dogs and Valvoline
ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov | Its a pretty damn good time. */
"Life is pain. Anyone that tells you different is trying to sell you something"
|
7944 | From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 5
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
> I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in
>the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more?
Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least
have the redeeming virtue of taking care of its own? <g>
|
7945 | From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg)
Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Lines: 34
Original to: keithley@apple.com
G'day keithley@apple.com
21 Apr 93 22:25, keithley@apple.com wrote to All:
kc> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley), via Kralizec 3:713/602
kc> But back to the contest goals, there was a recent article in AW&ST
about a
kc> low cost (it's all relative...) manned return to the moon. A General
kc> Dynamics scheme involving a Titan IV & Shuttle to lift a Centaur upper
kc> stage, LEV, and crew capsule. The mission consists of delivering two
kc> unmanned payloads to the lunar surface, followed by a manned mission.
kc> Total cost: US was $10-$13 billion. Joint ESA(?)/NASA project was
$6-$9
kc> billion for the US share.
kc> moon for a year. Hmmm. Not really practical. Anyone got a
kc> cheaper/better way of delivering 15-20 tonnes to the lunar surface
within
kc> the decade? Anyone have a more precise guess about how much a year's
kc> supply of consumables and equipment would weigh?
Why not modify the GD plan into Zurbrin's Compact Moon Direct scheme? let
one of those early flight carry an O2 plant and make your own.
ta
Ralph
--- GoldED 2.41+
* Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-1204 3:713/6
(3:713/635)
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7946 | From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Need Maintenance tips
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 29
After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
a couple of questions I hope you can answer:
When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not? I am more used to
the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean
and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read. The dip stick on my bike
is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it. Do
I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without
screwing it down before reading?
The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on
the head cover. I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material. do
you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute?
My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb. Is there an easy, brighter
replacement bulb available? Where should I look for one?
As always, I very much appreciate your help. The weather in Philadelphia
has finally turned WARM. This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders
ALL waved. A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . .
Chris
--
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Christopher G. Karras
Internet: CGKarras@world.std.com
|
7947 | From: Andrew Zelenetz <azelenet@bigmac.mskcc.org>
Subject: Centris 610 Video Problem-HELP
Organization: Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Lines: 25
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zelenetz.ski.mskcc.org
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X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F2F208CF0260CA@zelenetz.ski.mskcc.org>
X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:05:44 GMT
We have recently obtained a Centris 610 and it has developed an unusual
video problem.
Model: 610 with 8 MB/230 HD, 512K VRAM, no cards
Monitor: Apple 16"
When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done,
particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines
appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open
windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a
window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away
the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not
observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple
monitor with 256 colors is used.
I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has
been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse.
We were wondering if anyone has seen anything like this, and if so, how
to fix it. Please also respond to azelenet@bigmac.mskcc.org. Thank you
for your help.
Andrew Zelenetz
Molecular Biology Program
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
|
7948 | From: S_BRAUN@IRAV19.ira.uka.de (Thomas Braun)
Subject: sources for shading wanted
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Lines: 22
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav19.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25
I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms.
Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that.
Thanks a lot!
Thomas
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| E-Mail : S_BRAUN@iravcl.ira.uka.de |
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| \_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_ Thomas Braun |
| \_ \_ \_ University Karlsruhe, Germany |
| \_ \_\_\_ email: |
| \_ \_ \_ - S_Braun@iravcl.ira.uka.de |
| \_ \_\_\_ - UKAY@dkauni2.bitnet |
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|
7949 | Organization: Penn State University
From: <GUF@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: HELP 8088/80286 ADVICE
Lines: 11
I own an 8088 640K clone which does all I want except run 1 game I want
to buy. The game says it requires a 80286 with 640K. Game tech. support
says game will run on 8088 but uses a some digitized graphics which would
make it run really *slow* (it's a card game - Hoyles Classic Card Games,
digitized graphics are photos artwork of game fictional card players).
What can I do to speed up how this game would run, short of an 80286
motherboard upgrade. Co-processor? Accelerator card mimicking 80286?
My 8088 can run at 10 Mhz. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Gil (guf@psuvm.psu.edu)
|
7950 | From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite)
Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr15.160316.9170@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might
>enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the
>date indicated. They are largely out of order.
much crap deleted
>>3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order:
>>Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch
>
>Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to
>stick, it seems).
DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the
Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in
baseball at 8-1
MY PREDICTION FOR 1993:
Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL
(don't flame me..flame the bum who thinks he got fired last year.
PAY ATTENTION KIDDO!)
|
7951 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U34815@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: WANTED:Tablehockey Games
Lines: 16
Hello,
I am looking for the Coleco Tablehockey games that were popular
in the 70's. The games that I seek have straight slots for the
defenseman, not the S shaped slots. The players are attatched to
rods operated with springs. If you have a game(or games) that
you would be willing to part with, please send me an e-mail
message at U34815@uicvm.uic.edu. Price is negotiable and
I would also cover shipping if you are out of state. I am
part of a league that plays on a regular basis, the CTHL (The
Chicago Table Hockey League), and need a game to practice on.
Also, the league itself is always interested in purchasing
games to expand itself.
Thank You,
Ken Harris.
equipment to expand it's size.
|
7952 | From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)
Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why?
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
In article <kingoz.735066879@camelot> kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:
>
> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning
> it was. Are they still, officially?
> If so, why? and how did they receive this label?
Probably because everyone (that is, everyone who has cable) can watch
every Braves game. They are the only team that has all of its games
broadcast nationwide. And if you don't like your local team, or you don't
have a local team, the Braves can kind of become your local team because
you can watch them every day.
--I'm outta here like Vladimir!
-Alan
===========================================================================
| "What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets |
| too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when |
| they get too sexually frustrated." |
| -Val Kilmer, "Real Genius" |
===========================================================================
|
7953 | From: amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin)
Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Lines: 31
In article <jxu.735168686@black.clarku.edu>, jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) writes:
|> Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago
|> White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season.
|>
|> So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3
|> when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again
|> (have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can
|> play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V.
|>
As long as the Yankees are in the same division the Red Sox will
play better than .500 baseball.
Or the Red Sox can hire former East German swimming coaches to
"train" them at the fine art of body "building". The Red Sox
can use Chinese women swimmers as a reference.
With the "HAWK", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the
east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to
the park each day. And he has a burning desire to play in the
World Series.
Future Hall-of-Famer, Andre Dawson will kick butt in Boston!
from Rockies country,
Anthony M. Jivoin
National Center for Atmospheric Research
RSF/ATD - FL1
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80307
|
7954 | From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)
Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Lines: 126
In article <C5I6rK.L9I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis Syrimis) writes:
[...}
>>any concentration/labor camp in Turkey (around 1974 or
>>later) for Cypriot Greeks (or any Greeks) rather than talking
>>nonsense like above, I will be glad to read what they got.
>
>How can you be in a position to know about any kind of concentration camps
>Akgun?
Living through those days at the age of 20 and following
the internal and external news gives me that knowledge
and position. In 1974, Turkey had a democratic goverment and free
press at that time. Forget about internal news agencies, I haven't
heard anything from any international source about any
concentration camps with Greek Cypriot prisoners in Turkey.
However, I heard Adana POW camp. It was not secret and well
recognized POW camp.
>
>As for all the registered prisoners to the Red Cross having returned to
>their homes, this is your version of the story. There are cases in which
>prisoners who were registered, some of them even sent messages to their
>relatives, were not released. These are undeniable facts.
I see, They vanished in Turkish labor camps. Turks have
decided to acknowledge their existence first but later
changed their minds releasing them. Is that it? What do
you think happened to them? I thought that MIA's are only the subject
of Rambo and Chuck Noris movies. Seems that I am wrong.
>
>As for their treatment being according to what convention...?
>Okay we believe you.
You don't need to belive me. Turkiye was never a clandestine state
in its history, It has been a respected and continuous member of UN
since the inception of UN. No body ever questioned the UN membership of
Turkey because of what had happened in 1974a and after. Only a short
lived arms embargo was imposed unilaterally by USA to satisfy the
internal Greek loby. I know what you would say next. Let me answer it
before wasting anytime. Yes! UN had a few condemning resolutions
against Turkey because of handling the Cyprus problem, especially after
the 1980 coup. Well, US and Israel had a few too. What can I say?
I am sure during Athens Junta duruing 1960-74, Greeks had
their own share too.
>>closed matter today between Turkish Cypriots/Turks/Greeks/Greek
>>Cypriots. There is no more any official demand from Greek
>>Cypriots about any missing Greek Cypriots.
>
>Where have you heard that there is no official demand regarding the
>missing persons?
Have you looked at the latest UN agenda for Cyprus talks
mediated by Gali? There was no issue whatsoever about any
missing people among the negotiating parties. was there?
I heard many times from Denktas interviews by Turkish and
International press. He keeps saying that "This was no
longer an issue for peace talks." Also, you don't want
me fish for the Greek Cypriot politician's words (that Argic
had posted zillion times) describing missing peoples as
a Greek-Cypriot myth. Seems that there is a different opinions
among Greek-Cypriots as well about missing people in Turkish
custody.
[..]
>Your claim that the majority of the missing persons were infact killed
>in the period between the coup d'eta and the invasion, 5 days, is simply
>not true. All the cases of missing persons I know, and I know quite a
>few, are cases of people who were either in the reserve forces and were lost
>somewhere in the battlefield, or were civilians who were taken prisoners
>in their villages by the turkish army.
I am not claiming anything. I just told you what was
given to Greek Cypriots as an answer by Turkish
Goverment/Turkish Cypriots when they wanted to locate some
of their own between July 15 and the final cease-fire in
late August, 1974. This answer seems to satisfy the international
community, the UN, and the Vasilu Goverment (since he did not make it
an issue for the peace talks). Also, I am not aware of any UN
condemnation against Turkey about any missing Greek-Cypriot. Are you?
BTW, do you mean that Nicos Sampson had a bloodless coup d'eta
and nobody got hurt in those events?
>
>As of the few photos which you refer to, there are more than a few. There are
>photos not only of greek cypriot soldiers being "rounded up", but also others
>in the prison camp in Turkey.
Like I said before. There is even a different opinion among
Greek-Cypriots for this myth. The officers in Turkish Army who
governed the Adana POW camp must be hell of clever dudes
to cover up their tracks 8-). I hope Turkish Army does't have
same type of morons for the security of Turkiye. However, this must
a good subject for a movie script. One should inform Oliver Stone
about this.
>
>> Of course, not. The justice was served well. If and when the Bosnian
>>pleas are answered, who's going to dare to ask what happens to those
>>masterminds behind the ethnic cleansing idea. They are known today
>>(as EOKA-B masterminds were known in 1974) to everybody and are doing
>>it openly even giving TV interviews. It may take same time as it was
>>for the EOKA-B case, however, the justice will be served again.
>
>Akgun, comparing the actions of the Serbians in Bosnian with the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>actions of
^^^^^^^^^^^
>Turkey in Cyprus is not something I would do if I were a Turk.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I thought
>that the Serbians were the savages, the inhumane beasts etc etc.
>
>>C. Akgun
>
>Michalis Syrimis
>
If this is what you understood from the paragraph above,
you better let your computer system administrator check
the character conversion tables in your system. If yours are
OK, I should inform mine 8-).
C. Akgun
|
7955 | From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Re: Asante EN/SC PB adaptor won't work with duo 230
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 23
Bill Kurland (bill@panix.com) wrote:
: I guess this changes my opinion of them and I thought I would warn
: any prospective customers for the EN/SC PB.
FWIW, I work for FOCUS Enhancements, and a lot of the people we sell our
EtherLAN SC/SC-T (our SCSI Ethernet interface) are disgruntled EN/SC
users.
: I also now need to know if anyone has been successful with the
: comparable product from Dayna or Focus. I really don't want to use up
: that NuBus slot.
*Sigh*. I wish I had better news. The FOCUS EtherLAN SC is currently
incompatible with the Duos. This may change in the future. We do have
Apple Register Compatible cards that are 100% compatible with the
DuoDocks, though.
Send questions to focus@applelink.apple.com.
--
+-----------------+------------------------------------------------+
| Peter A. Cohen | I'd rather be telecommuting. |
+-----------------+------------------------------------------------+
|
7956 | From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: The Tories could win the "lottery"...Clinton GST?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Lines: 41
Phill Hallam-Baker (hallam@zeus02.desy.de) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>|>>}
>|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the
>|>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline
>|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ...
>|>>
>|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more
>|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care...
>|>
>|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is
>|>voluntary
>
>Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of
>collection effectively makes it a tax.
Could it be because you're British, Phill, and living in Germany?
While the EC working rules are more liberal than what we have in
the 1989 US-Canada FTA, there's probably a law about that (having
health insurance coverage is a condition of my being down here,
for example).
You have mentioned this once before, yet both the NY Times profile on
the German sickness funds (late Jan.) and pamphlets that my girlfriend
gives to her language students from the German consulate both say that
it is "voluntary" (okay, there were quotation marks (-;) and that only
90% of the population is covered by the sickness funds (analogous to
our provincial health insurances, but not divided by province/state).
Another guy in health care policy says that the Turkish guest workers
aren't covered ... he's written to me a couple of times (he's not a
post-er). I'll ask him ...
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
|
7957 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Distribution: usa
<93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu
<1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Lines: 28
In article <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:
>
>>I have been at a shooting range where
>>gang members were "practicing" shooting.
>
>How do "we" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops
>or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes?
>
"We" know because the area that the gun shop/shooting range is in is right on
the border of the west side of Chicago. That is a gang infested area. There
are many, many bad things going on in that area. Also, I have several friends
that live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these
folks. By the way, where did I say that they were minorities? Do you think
that only minorities have gangs? Not so. As far as the quotes are concerned
it was totally obvious that they weren't just practicing for marksmanship. I
don't know about you but I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by
taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. If
you would have been there Andy it would've been obvious to you too. Of course
it might not have been. Who knows. All I do know is that I was there, I live
here and I know that they were gang bangers. When you live here long enough it
becomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors, gang signs, etc. One last
thing. My sister is a social worker. She makes it her point to find these
things out (gang signs, colors, etc) because it is in her best interest to do
so. She is nice enough to let me know these things so I can watch out for
myself as I live right on the border of the west side of the city. Enough said.
Jason
|
7958 | From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr19.035406.11473@news.yale.edu> (Austin Jacobs) writes:
>Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing
>even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just
>look at Lisa Olson. Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New
>England Patriots locker room? She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL! I
>just don't think women belong in a man's sport. Before you smart guys
>flame me for this, I know the given example was about football. Who cares?
> It still applies to other MALE sports. How can we have women umpires?
>Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the
>face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to
>ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of
>roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires.
>Besides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a
>foul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there
>are too many complications.
>
>
>ÑAustin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12)
Someone tell me there's a :-) hidden here somewhere... ???
--
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David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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|
7959 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 20
In article <1r0b69INN5ct@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (Martin John Gregory) writes:
>I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from
>a MC146818A Real Time Clock...
>lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is
>three times the specified MAXIMUM...
>1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is
> low during this time.
>2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or
> WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted...
Are any of the inputs to the chip coming from TTL? Standby-drain specs
for CMOS chips typically apply only if inputs are pulled all the way down
to zero or all the way up to Vcc. TTL isn't good at doing the former and
it won't do the latter at all without help from pullup resistors. This
sort of thing can easily multiply power consumption by a considerable
factor, because the CMOS transistors that are supposed to be OFF aren't
all the way hard OFF.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
7960 | From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state?
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01
Lines: 29
dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes:
> Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about
> it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts
> on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom
> stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort
> of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a
> question about 'spirituality' each issue, and solicits responses to be
> included in the next 'issue.' It's all pretty vague. I assume it's put out
> by a Christian, but they're very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible.
> I've heard someone defend it, saying "Well it doesn't support any one religion.
> " So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the
> separation of church and state, I was enraged.
>
> What can I do about this?
It sounds to me like it's just SCREAMING OUT for parody. Give a copy to your
friendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he'll run it through the
mental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly
funny parody you can paste over the originals.
I can see it now:
The Stool Scroll
Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon
(You can use this text to wipe)
mathew
|
7961 | From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)
Subject: modems and noisy lines.
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 21
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Hi,
I just got a problem, I have a cheapo 2400bps modem which I use to connect
to my university, but I get too much garbage on the screen. I do know it's
because the noise in the line (I can actually hear it). So my question is
will an error correction protocol help to eliminate this garbage?, my modem
doesn't have any of these on hardware, can a software implemented protocol
do the trick?
Thanks.
Juan Carlos Leon
--
jleon@scf.usc.edu | jcleon@ucs.usc.edu
Electrical & Computer Major | University Computing Services
University of Southern California
Los Angeles, CA.
|
7962 | From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Solar battery chargers -- any good?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?
-- Robert Kennedy
Robert Kennedy (415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu (415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University (415) 322-7329 (home tty)
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7963 | From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell
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In article <Apr.21.03.26.39.1993.1370@geneva.rutgers.edu>
lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
[ -and many others mailed me. Here is a reply to one of the letters. Seems to
me that atheist do not like the doctrine of hell!]
>There's nothing like a preacher to put fear into an
> ignorant man...
>If God hadn't created Hell in the first place, there'd be no
> no need to "die" and save us. Isn't it also a bit paradoxical
> to say "God died" when, in fact, no such thing is remotely
> possible. Can the infinite die?
Your using 20th century concepts to interprete 1st century writers. Of course,
in your termonology, God could not "cease to exist." However, that is not what
death ever means in the Scriptures. If you will study the word, you will see
that it signifies "separation." Death is separation, not ceastation. This is
the reason for the agony of the cross. For the first time in eternity, one
member of the Godhead was separated from the other two.
I once met a young lady that was as beautiful as any model that ever lived.
She was as personable as any saint ever imagined. She was to become my
"girlfriend" for several years. However, having been drafted, we were
separated by distance. To me that was a form of death. Later, she decided
that she couldn't wait for me to come home and bid me adue. That to me was
death. It was separation from that which had made me whole. Death is
separation and eternal death is eternal separation from His fellowship, not
because He chose to send you into outer darkness, but because you chose to go
there.
>> did you know that Jesus talked more
>> about hell than He did about heaven!
>Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now
> has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to
> say how wise or loving this man was...
When I rebelled against my earthly father, he spanked me. I found no wisdom in
that until I had grown older and especially until I had my own children. He
was trying to guide me away from hurt that would enter my life if I continued
on my suicidal course. He did it in love though I interpreted it as harsh and
unloving. If God warns of impending danger, that is love. If choose to let us
do as we please, and then at the end tell us the rules, that would be harsh.
You have a conscience, no matter how calused or fallen it is, that witnesses to
you that a thing is wrong and that there is cause for fear.
>Being Jesus was allegedly God, I doubt he could honestly feel
> the pinpricks man dealt him...
This may give light to the error of your understanding. One must have correct
knowledge in order to have correct faith. Faith and knowledge are inseparable.
Jesus most certainly felt the "pinpricks" of life. As the Scripture say:
Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our
weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without
sin.
The kenosis passage of Phil 2 states that He gave up His Godhead attributes
when He took upon Himself humanity. It has been a favorite meditation of mine
to think about this. It was to be my PhD thesis. "The Consciousness of
Christ." I have talked at length with a great many people about this
interesting study, including clh.
It is my conclussion that as Jesus, the 2nd member of the Trinity, actually
suffered as we do. He became part of the human race and experienced it as we
do. He "grew in knowledge." He chose not to grasp His omniscience, but chose
to be taught. It is my understanding that He was "led of the Spirit" to such
an extent that sometimes it is hard to distinquish between Jesus the man and
Jesus as God. But in Jn 8 where the adulterous women was thrown before Him,
the tenses are quite clear in that the whole situation took Him by surprise.
That is, He was not aware that this event was to take place in time. He was
living sequential history as you or I.
Maybe some other time we can discuss this, but it is a very lengthy discussion
and one that causes the curcuit breakers of the brain to pop more often than
not.
>Thanks again for the info. Just so you know, some friends and I
> are starting a Freethinkers organization-- and I'm going to
> use some of the info you provided for an organization intro-
> duction... :-)
I was once a member of that club. THe "free thinker" is a glorious ideal. By
contrast, of course, you believe that the believer is the unforunate repository
of everything that is dogmatic, inhibited, reactionary and repressive. I find
such a stance to be as amusing as it is absurd. If the liberal humanist
wishes to criticize a Christian or a Buddhist or a Marxist, that is his right.
But what he must not pretend is that he was led to this solely by his "rational
doubt" when in fact he was led to it by his "faith". He must acknowledge that
while it is rational doubt for him as a "free thinker" to criticize the
Christian, it might equally be a rational doubt for the Christian to criticize
him as a humanist. If there is no faith, there can be no dout. There is no
faith which cannot choose to cast doubt on some other faith.
Pascal pointed out that "sceptical arguments allow the positive to be positive.
Few. . .speak dubiously of scepticism." The fact that skeptics are not
skeptical about skepticism is further evidence that to doubt anything we must
believe in something else! THe person who is skeptical toward one faith or
even most faiths, will be the devoted adherent of another. In fact, it is a
measure of his poverty both that he is unaware of it and that he can define
himself only in negative terms, hence the term "a"-theist.
Some people claim otherwise and argue vociferously for complete skepticism. In
my campus ministry I ran across this more times than I care to remember.
However, they disproved their own argument with every thought, every word,
every point of logic that they used. Every moment of shared communication
speaks against their total skepticism. Their very insistence of trying to make
sense is eloquent testimony to assumptions that are powerful though silent.
That is to say, that complete skepticism is impossible and limited skepticism
is arbitrary. Next time you're in a room of skeptics, yell out "Look, your fly
is undone!" Each person chooses what he is skeptical about and what he
believes without skepticism. To stress this is to belabor the obvious, but it
underlines the point that no one can know exhaustively how he knows what he
knows. Pure objectivism is a myth and complete skepticism an impossiblity.
The answer to this impasse lies in a 3rd way of knowing, one which is based on
presuppositions. But if knowledge proceeds on what must be presupposed before
it is proved, the cover is blown on the pretentions of critical doubt, and
critical doubt depends on the idea that human knowledge is totally objective
and neutral. In other words, another myth.
Presuppositions my friend. It is impossible to doubt anything unless there is
something we do not doubt -our own assumptions/presuppostions. Even these can
be criticezed only upon the basis of other assumptions. Presuppostitons are
our silent partners in thought but their silence must not be mistaken for
absence.
> I tell you what-- if God condemns me for being honest, He is
> unworthy of my worship. Better to burn in Hell than to
> serve a tyrant in Heaven..
Of course that is hardly an original statement. Milton coined it but it had
been in use for millenia. It was even used in the first "Highlander" movie.
But again, your presuption is based on a faulty knowledge of the character of
God. You are operating off of a presuppositional premise of humanistic
theology, not what He has revealed of Himself through history, through His
prophets, through His Word, and lastly, but most of all, thru His Son. If you
are to reject God's annointed savior, then reject Him from a correct
understanding of Himself.
--Rex
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7964 | From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <bethdC5JuL2.L9@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>>Bzzzzt. It was me. Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick. The
>>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>>in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-)
>>
>> Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>>look? The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>>is a definite turn-off...
>So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
>the "waxy shit" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from
>drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.
Agreed, but, yes, chapstick fits under the "waxy shit" category,
although I've noticed that stealing Annette's chapstick (after she's
applied it :-) kept my lips from cracking this past winter like they have
in all previous winters. Sigh...the price I must pay...
>> Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
>Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for
>herself.
So does my darling Annette (okay, I guess you can ready the
barf bags now :-)
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
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7965 | From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Subject: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly)
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books:
o PEXLIB Programming Manual
o PHIGS Programming Manual
Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386
running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and
access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on
the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization
of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure.
Thanks, AJ
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alexander-James Annala
Principal Investigator
Neuroscience Image Analysis Network
HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor
University of Southern California
University Park
Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520
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7966 | From: ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso)
Subject: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED
Nntp-Posting-Host: liu.cns.nyu.edu
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Organization: New York University
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I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts.
Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it.
---
A l a n M a c a l u s o PURPLE MOON GIANTS
ali@cns.nyu.edu 158 E. 7th. St. #B5
(212) 998-7837 NYC 10009
(212) 982-6630
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7967 | From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis)
Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 1/5
Summary: useful information about the X Window System
Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address)
Organization: VISUAL, Inc.
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Archive-name: x-faq/part1
Last-modified: 1993/04/04
This article and several following contain the answers to some Frequently Asked
Questions (FAQ) often seen in comp.windows.x. It is posted to help reduce
volume in this newsgroup and to provide hard-to-find information of general
interest.
Please redistribute this article!
This article includes answers to the following questions, which are loosely
grouped into categories. Questions marked with a + indicate questions new to
this issue; those with significant changes of content since the last issue are
marked by !:
0) TOPIC: BASIC INFORMATION SOURCES AND DEFINITIONS
1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners?
2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available?
3)! What conferences on X are coming up?
4) What X-related public mailing lists are available?
5) How can I meet other X developers?
6) What related FAQs are available?
7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses?
8) What publications discussing X are available?
9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms?
10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?)
11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join?
12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif?
13) Just what is OpenWindows?
14) Just what is DECWindows?
15) What is PEX?
16) What is "low-bandwidth X" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP?
17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE
18)! What are all these different window managers?
19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)?
20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does?
21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager?
22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate?
23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string?
24)! How do I make a screendump or print my application?
25) How do I make a color PostScript screendump of the X display?
26) How do I make a screendump including the X cursor?
27) How do I convert/view Mac/TIFF/GIF/Sun/PICT/img/FAX images in X?
28) How can I change the titlebar of my xterm window?
29) Where can I find the xterm control sequences?
30)- Why does the R3 xterm, et al, fail against the R4 server?
31) How can I use characters above ASCII 127 in xterm ?
32) Why are my xterm menus so small?
33) How can I print the current selection?
34) How does Xt use environment variables in loading resources?
35) How to I have the R4 xdm put a picture behind the log-in window?
36) Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file?
37) How do I keep my $DISPLAY when I rlogin to another machine?
38) How can I design my own font?
39) Why does adding a font to the server not work (sic)?
40) How do I convert a ".snf" font back to ".bdf" font?
41) What is a general method of getting a font in usable format?
42) How do I use DECwindows fonts on my non-DECwindows server?
43) How do I add ".bdf" fonts to my DECwindows server?
44)! How can I set backgroundPixmap in a defaults file? (What is XPM?)
45) Why can't I override translations? Only the first item works.
46) How can I have xclock or oclock show different timezones?
47) I have xmh, but it doesn't work. Where can I get MH?
48) Why am I suddenly unable to connect to my Sun X server?
49) Why don't the R5 PEX demos work on my mono screen?
50)! How do I get my Sun Type-[45] keyboard fully supported by Xsun?
51) How do I report bugs in X?
52) Why do I get "Warning: Widget class version mismatch"?
53) Where can I find a dictionary server for xwebster?
54) TOPIC: OBTAINING X AND RELATED SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE
55) Is X public-domain software?
56) How compatible are X11R3, R4, and R5? What changes are there?
57)! Where can I get X11R5 (source and/or binaries)?
58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5?
59) What is the xstuff mail-archive?
60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)?
61) Where can I get OSF/Motif?
62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5?
63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK?
64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications)
65)! Where can I get interesting widgets?
66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget?
67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas?
68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals?
69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen?
70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)?
71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS?
72) Where can I get X for the Amiga?
73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation?
74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board?
75) Where can I get an "X terminal" server for my low-end Sun 3/50?
76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available?
77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor?
78) Where can I get an X-based mailer?
79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program?
80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program?
81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet?
82) Where can I get X-based project-management software?
83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer?
84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package?
85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package?
86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer?
87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer?
88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder?
89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts?
90) Where can I get an X-based debugger?
91)! How can I "tee" an X program identically to several displays?
92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5]
93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build?
94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5?
95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.?
96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2?
97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC?
98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc?
99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3?
100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1?
101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4?
102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined)
103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole?
104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole?
105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS
106) What is Imake?
107) Where can I get imake?
108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do?
109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines?
110) What are these problems with "_XtInherit not found" on the Sun?
111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X?
112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES
113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)?
114) How do I figure out what window manager is running?
115) Is there a skeleton X program available?
116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)?
117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work?
118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow?
119) I'm writing a widget and can't use a float as a resource value.
120) Is this a memory leak in the X11R4 XtDestroyWidget()?!
121) Are callbacks guaranteed to be called in the order registered?
122) Why doesn't XtDestroyWidget() actually destroy the widget?
123) How do I query the user synchronously using Xt?
124) How do I determine the name of an existing widget?
125) Why do I get a BadDrawable error drawing to XtWindow(widget)?
126) Why do I get a BadMatch error when calling XGetImage?
127) How can my application tell if it is being run under X?
128) How do I make a "busy cursor" while my application is computing?
129) How do I fork without hanging my parent X program?
130) Can I make Xt or Xlib calls from a signal handler?
131) What are these "Xlib sequence lost" errors?
132) How can my Xt program handle socket, pipe, or file input?
133) How do I simulate a button press/release event for a widget?
134) Why doesn't anything appear when I run this simple program?
135) What is the difference between a Screen and a screen?
136) Can I use C++ with X11? Motif? XView?
137) Where can I obtain alternate language bindings to X?
138) Can XGetWindowAttributes get a window's background pixel/pixmap?
139) How do I create a transparent window?
140) Why doesn't GXxor produce mathematically-correct color values?
141) Why does every color I allocate show up as black?
142) Why can't my program get a standard colormap?
143) Why does the pixmap I copy to the screen show up as garbage?
144) How do I check whether a window ID is valid?
145) Can I have two applications draw to the same window?
146) Why can't my program work with tvtwm or swm?
147) How do I keep a window from being resized by the user?
148) How do I keep a window in the foreground at all times?
149) How do I make text and bitmaps blink in X?
150)+ How do I get a double-click in Xlib?
151)! How do I render rotated text?
152) What is the X Registry? (How do I reserve names?)
If you have suggestions or corrections for any of these answers or any
additional information, please send them directly to uunet!craft!faq;
the information will be included in the next revision (or possibly the one
after that; thanks for the many suggestions which haven't been incorporated
yet).
This version of the FAQ is in the process of having R3 information replaced
by R5 information.
This posting is intended to be distributed at approximately the beginning of
each month. New versions are archived on export.lcs.mit.edu and are also
available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu and archive-server@nic.switch.ch
(send "help").
The information contained herein has been gathered from a variety of sources.
In many cases attribution has been lost; if you would like to claim
responsibility for a particular item, please let me know.
Conventions used below: telephone numbers tend to be Bell-system unless
otherwise noted; prices on items are not included; email addresses are those
that work from the US.
X Window System is a trademark of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
(Note: a script by George Ferguson (ferguson@cs.rochester.edu) to pretty-print
this faq is available from ugle.unit.no:/pub/X11/contrib/xfaq2texinfo.)
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Subject: 1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners?
Ken Lee of SynOptics (klee@synoptics.com) regularly posts to
comp.windows.x and ba.windows.x a bibliography containing cites of all known
reference books and how-to manuals and also cites of selected technical
articles on X and X programming; it is ftp-able as
export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/Xbibliography and
gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/Xbibliography
Here is an unordered set of the reference books and tutorials most useful for
beginners; most appear on that list [comments are gathered from a variety of
places and are unattributable]:
Asente, Paul J., and Swick, Ralph R., "X Window System Toolkit, The Complete
Programmer's Guide and Specification", Digital Press, 1990. The bible on Xt. A
treasury of information, excellent and invaluable. Distributed by Digital
Press, ISBN 1-55558-051-3, order number EY-E757E-DP; and by Prentice-Hall,
ISBN 0-13-972191-6. Also available through DEC Direct at 1-800-DIGITAL.
[The examples are on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/ and on gatekeeper.dec.com
(16.1.0.2) in pub/X11/contrib as asente-swick.examples.tar.Z. They were also
posted to comp.sources.x as xt-examples/part0[1-5].]
Jones, Oliver, Introduction to the X Window System, Prentice-Hall, 1988, 1989.
ISBN 0-13-499997-5. An excellent introduction to programming with Xlib.
Written with the programmer in mind, this book includes many practical tips
that are not found anywhere else. This book is not as broad as the O'Reilly
Xlib tutorial, but Jones is an experienced X programmer and this shows in the
quality and depth of the material in the book. Originally written for X11R1,
recent printings have included corrections and additions and current material.
Young, Doug. "The X Window System: Applications and Programming with Xt (Motif
Version)," Prentice Hall, 1989 (ISBN 0-13-497074-8). The excellent tutorial
"X Window System Programming and Applications with Xt," (ISBN 0-13-972167-3)
updated for Motif. [The examples are available on export; the ones from the
Motif version are in ~ftp/contrib/young.motif.tar.Z.]
Young, Doug and John Pew, "The X Window System: Programming and Applications
with Xt, OPEN LOOK Edition" (ISBN 0-13-982992-X). The tutorial rewritten for
OLIT, with new examples and drag/drop information. [Examples are on export in
youg.olit.tar.Z and in you OpenWindows 3 distribution in
$OPENWINHOME/share/src/olit/olitbook.]
Heller, Dan. "Motif Programmers Manual". The 6th Volume in the O'Reilly series
covers Motif application programming; it's full of good examples. With Motif
reference pages. (ISBN 0-9937175-70-6.) [The examples are available on uunet
in comp.sources.x and nutshell archives.] [A Motif 1.2 will be out soon.]
Scheifler, Robert, and James Gettys, with Jim Flowers and David Rosenthal, "X
Window System: The Complete Reference to Xlib, X Protocol, ICCCM, XLFD, X
Version 11, Release 5, Third Edition," Digital Press, 1992. "The Bible" in its
latest revision, an enhanced version of X documentation by the authors of the
Xlib documentation. This is the most complete published description of the X
programming interface and X protocol. It is the primary reference work and is
not introductory tutorial documentation; additional tutorial works will usually
be needed by most new X programmers. Digital Press order EY-J802E-DP, ISBN
0-13-971201-1.
Nye, Adrian, "Xlib Programming Manual, Volume 1" and "Xlib Reference Manual,
Volume 2," O'Reilly and Associates. A superset of the MIT X documentation; the
first volume is a tutorial with broad coverage of Xlib, and the second
contains reference pages for Xlib functions and many useful reference
appendices. Both cover X11R5 (and R4). ISBN 0-937175-26-9 (volume 1) and ISBN
0-937175-27-7 (volume 2).
Nye, Adrian, and Tim O'Reilly, "X Toolkit Programming Manual, Volume 4,"
O'Reilly and Associates, 1989. The folks at O'Reilly give their comprehensive
treatment to programming with the MIT Intrinsics; R4 versions are now
available, as is a Motif 1.1 version (Volume 4M).
O'Reilly, Tim, ed., "X Toolkit Reference Manual, Volume 5," O'Reilly and
Associates. A professional reference manual for the MIT X11R4 and X11R5 Xt.
Mansfield, Niall. "The X Window System: A User's Guide," Addison-Wesley, 1989.
A tutorial introduction to using X, now upgraded for R4. ISBN 0-201-51341-2.
Quercia, Valerie and Tim O'Reilly. "X Window System User's Guide," O'Reilly and
Associates. A tutorial introduction to using X. ISBN 0-937175-36-6.
Also available in R4 and Motif flavors.
Mui, Linda and Eric Pearce. "X Window System Administrator's Guide for X11 R4
and R5" [ORA Volume 8]. Help for X users and administrators.
ISBN 0-937175-83-8.
(Prentice-Hall ordering is 201-767-5937. O'Reilly ordering is 800-998-9938.)
In addition, check the X11R4 and X11R5 core distribution in doc/tutorials for
some useful papers and tutorials, particularly the file answers.txt. "Late
Night's Top Ten X11 Questions" by Dave Lemke (lemke@ncd.com) and Stuart Marks
(smarks@sun.com) answers other common questions and some of these here in more
detail.
New R5 versions of the O'Reilly references (not yet Volume 6) are now available
[8/92]. A single volume, "Programmer's Supplement for R5" by David Flanagan,
provides an overview of new R5 features; it includes man pages for Xlib, Xt,
and Xmu. [ISBN 0-937175-86-2]
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Subject: 2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available?
Advanced Computing Environments periodically offers at least a two-day
Introduction course. Contact Susie Karlson at 415-941-3399 for information.
AT&T offers training in Xlib and in the Xol set. Contact AT&T Corporate
Education & Training for more info; 1-800-TRAINER in the USA.
BIM Educational Services offers training in X administration and in
programming with Xt/Motif and Open Windows; the courses are given near
Brussels. Info: edu@sunbim.be, voice +32-(0)2-7595925, fax +32-(0)2-7599209.
Communica Software Consultants offers three-day hands-on courses in X
designed for the X Window System developer and programmer. Contact Chris
Clarkson, telephone 61 8 3732523, e-mail communica@communica.oz.au. [12/92]
Cora Computer Technologies (516-485-7343) offers several courses.
GHCT offers a one week lecture/lab course for programmmers designed by
Douglas Young based on his book "The X Window System: Programming and Applica-
tions with Xt, OSF/Motif Edition". Information: Brian Stell (415-966-8805 or
ghct!brian@sgi.com).
GHG offers a range of courses on X and Motif. Information: 713-488-8806
or training-info@ghg.hou.tx.us.
Hands On Learning has live training and self-paced video workshops on
topics such as using and/or programming X, Xlib, Xm, Xt, and widget-writing.
Information: 617-272-0088, 800-248-9133.
Hewlett-Packard (1-800-HPCLASS; or contact your local HP center) offers
a 2-day "Introduction to X", a 5-day Xlib course, a 1-day Xt and Motif 1.1
seminar, and a 5-day Motif lab course.
Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., offers several multi-day, hands-on
courses on X, Xt, and the Xaw and Motif widget sets, in particular. Information
is available at 617-621-0060 and info@ics.com.
Intelligent Visual Computing teaches several lab courses on-site for
Motif and XView. IVC is at 1-800-776-2810 or +1 919-481-1353 or at
info@ivc.com.
Iris Computing Laboratories offers five-day Xlib and Xt courses.
Info: +1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com.
IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) offers regular X training courses for
both programmers and non-technical managers. See also: Unipalm, below.
Learning Tree International offers a four-day course in X Window System
applications development, including Xlib and some information on Motif. For
more info call 800-824-9155 (213-417-3484); 613-748-7741 in Canada. Courses are
offered in major North American cities; also in London, Stockholm, Tokyo, and
elsewhere.
Lurnix offers 4-day "type-along courses" on Xt; the course is being
ported from Xaw to Xm. Information is available at 800-433-9337 (in CA: -9338).
Mitch Trachtenberg and Associates offers regular 5-day lab courses on
programming with OSF/Motif, usually in but not limited to Cambridge, MA.
Info: +1 617-225-0440, info@mta.com.
Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers
courses on programming with Xlib, Motif, and creating Motif widgets.
OSF Educational Services (617-621-8778) offers one-day seminars and
one-week Motif lab courses.
John A. Pew offers a 5-day course on OLIT, possibly based on his book
on that subject; 408-224-5739.
SCO (+44 923 816344, scol-info@sco.COM) offers training for its Open
Desktop (Motif) environment in the UK and Europe.
Software Pundits (617-270-0639) offers a range of courses.
Technology Exchange (617-944-3700) offers a 4-day Xlib/Xt/Motif course.
TeleSoft is now offering a 1-day plus 3-day seminar on X and Motif.
Information: Bruce Sherman (619-457-2700, bds@telesoft.com).
Unipalm XTech offers OSF's 5-day Motif course and a 1-day overview on
X. Information: Unipalm Training at +44 952 211797, xtech@unipalm.co.uk.
The University of Edinburgh is developing a series of courses on X and
related topics primarily for non-profit-making training in academia but also
for commercial use. Information: Cliff Booth, Unipalm Ltd, phone +44 223
420002, fax +44 223 426868.
Various other vendors are also beginning to offer X training, usually
specific to a proprietary toolkit or to Xt and a proprietary widget set: DEC
is offering Xlib courses; Sun offers an XView course.
Various universities are offering short X courses or overviews: UCLA,
Dartmouth, University of Lowell, University of Canberra (within Australia:
062-522422) ...
UC Berkeley Extension will have a one week X/Motif class for
programmers in San Francisco starting on July 29. The class will have a
hands-on lab. For more information contact UCBX at 415 323 8141.
Among the best places to find courses are at the various Unix
conferences -- Uniforum, Usenix, Unix Expo, Xhibition, the MIT X Technical
Conference, the ACM tutorial weeks, &c.
In addition, the X Consortium posts approximately quarterly a list of
unendorsed speakers and consultants who can provide talks on a variety of X
topics.
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Subject: 3)! What conferences on X are coming up?
The Xhibition 93 X trade show and conference, with tutorials, panels,
presentations, and vendor exhibits, will be held at the San Jose Convention
Center June 7-11, 1993. Information: +1 617 621 0060, xhibit@ics.com.
The Tcl/Tk Workshop will be held at UCal Berkeley June 10-11, 1993.
Information: tcl93@cs.berkeley.edu.
The 1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting will
be held June 24-25, 1993, in Pittsburgh. Information:
Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.EDU.
The European X User Group holds an annual conference which typically
includes includes paper presentations and a vendor exhibit. EXUG'93, "X in the
Real World and Multimedia" will be held 9/16-9/17 at the Imperial College of
Science and Technology, London. Information: exug@demon.co.uk, niall@uit.co.uk
or p.whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (0) 223 426534, fax +44 (0) 223 420251.
The Motif show is held in Washington to coincide with the FedUnix and
the Federal Open Systems Conference (usually December). Information:
motif@fedunix.org or paller@fedunix.org, 301-229-1062, fax 301-229-1063.
The MIT X Technical Conference is typically held in January in Boston.
Registration information is available from registration@expo.lcs.mit.edu.
The XWorld Conference and Exhibition includes tutorials, panels,
presentations and vendor exhibits. It is typically held in March in New York
City. Information: SIGS Publication Group at 212-274-9135.
Other trade shows -- UnixExpo, Uniforum, Siggraph -- show an increasing
presence of X, including tutorials and exhibits.
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Subject: 4) What X-related public mailing lists are available?
The xpert mailing list is the general, public mailing list on X
maintained by the X Consortium. The mailings are gatewayed, so xpert is almost
identical to the comp.windows.x Usenet newsgroup.
*** If you get comp.windows.x, you don't need to ***
*** be added to the xpert mailing list. ***
Otherwise, you can join the list to receive X information
electronically. It is best to find a local distribution; perhaps someone within
your company is already receiving the mailing. As a last resort, send mail to
xpert-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu with a valid return electronic address.
The xannounce mailing list carries major X announcements, such as new
releases (including public patches from MIT), public reviews, adoption of
standards by the MIT X Consortium, and conference announcements. It does NOT
carry advertisements, source code, patches, or questions. If you already
receive the Usenet news group comp.windows.x.announce or the xpert mailing
list, you don't need to be added to the xannounce mailing list. Otherwise, to
subscribe, send a request to xannounce-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu. Note: Only
redistribution addresses will be accepted for this list -- i.e. no personal
addresses. If you wish to receive xannounce yourself, please contact your mail
administrator to set up a local redistribution list and to put you on it.
comp.windows.x.apps is not gatewayed to a mailing list.
In addition, the X Consortium sponsors these public lists:
bug-clx CLX bug reports and discussions
x-ada X and ada
x11-3d people interested in X and 3d graphics
ximage people interested in image processing and X
xvideo discussion of video extensions for X
To subscribe to one of these lists, assuming no-one in your
organization already receives it, send mail to <list>-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu
with the Subject line including the name of the LIST in caps and the request
"addition request". In the body of the message be sure to give an address for
your local distribution which is accessible from MIT (eddie.mit.edu).
A mailing list for topics related to OPEN LOOK is sponsored by Greg
Pasquariello of Unify corporation; send to openlook-request@unify.com (or
openlook-request%unify@uunet.uu.net) for information.
A mailing list for bugs in the publicly-available version of XView
source, in particular, is sponsored by Sun; send for information to
xviewbug-trackers-request@sun.com.
A mailing list for topics related to Motif is sponsored by Kee Hinckley
of Alfalfa Software, Inc.; send to motif-request@alfalfa.com for information.
(This group is gatewayed to comp.windows.x.motif.)
A mailing list for topics related to the XPM pixmap-format is sponsored
by Arnaud Le Hors of Group Bull; send to xpm-talk-request@sa.inria.fr for
information. [1/91]
A mailing list discussing InterViews can be subscribed to by sending to
interviews-request@interviews.stanford.edu.
A mailing list (amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi) for topics related to the port
of X11 to the Amiga can be subscribed by sending to mailserver@nic.funet.fi a
message containing
Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11
SUBS AMIGA-X11 Your Real Name
A mailing list discussing ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) OI (Object
Interface) toolkit can be subscribed to at oi-users-requests@bbn.com.
A mailing list discussing multi-threaded Xlib can be subscribed to at
mt-xlib-request@xsoft.xerox.com.
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Subject: 5) How can I meet other X developers?
O'Reilly and Associates sponsors a mailing list for the use of X user
group organizers; subscribe by sending to listserv@ora.com the message
"subscribe xgroups your@internet.address".
Local area X user's groups are listed in Issue 4 of O'Reilly's X
Resource journal; a list may also be available from xug@ics.com.
The French X User Group is called AFUX and is based in Sophia Antipolis
by CERICS. Information can be obtained from Miss Vasseur or Miss Forest; BP
148; 157, rue Albert Einstein; 06561 Valbonne Cedex; Phone: +33 93 95 45 00 /
45 01; Fax: +33 93 95 48 57. [10/90]
The European X User Group was formed in 1989 to represent X users in
Europe. It holds technical conferences at regular intervals. The EXUG also
publishes a regular newsletter which is distributed free of charge to members.
The EXUG also runs a email mailing list for members which is frequently used to
address issues of European interest in X. The EXUG can be contacted at
P.Whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (071) 225 8754, fax +44 (071) 823 9497.
GXUGiV is the German X User's Group in Vorbereitung ("in preparation")
being formed for X programmers and users; it is associated with the EXUG. All
interested should contact Olaf Heimburger (+49 30 7 79 54 64; and at
mcvax!unido!tub!olaf).
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Subject: 6) What related FAQs are available?
Liam R. E. Quin (lee@sq.sq.com) posts a FAQ on Open Look to
comp.windows.open-look.
Jan Newmarch (jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au) posts a FAQ on Motif to
comp.windows.x.motif.
Peter Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) posts a FAQ for
comp.windows.x.intrinsics; it is on export in contrib/FAQ-Xt.
Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ on
maximizing the performance of X.
Steve Kotsopoulos (steve@ecf.toronto.edu) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ
about using X on Intel-based Unix systems.
The FAQ in alt.binaries.pictures contains information on viewing images
with X and on massaging image formats.
The FAQ in comp.mail.mh (gatewayed to MH-users@ics.uci.edu) includes a
section on xmh.
The FAQ in comp.lang.lisp contains information on several interface
tools and toolkits.
There exists a PEX/PHiGS FAQ.
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Subject: 7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses?
When asking for help on the net or X mailing lists, be sure to include
all information about your setup and what you are doing. The more specific you
are, the more likely someone will spot an error in what you are doing. Without
all the details, people who want to help you often have to guess -- if they are
able to respond at all.
Always mention what version of X you are using and where you got it
from. If your server came from a different source as the rest of your X system,
give details of that, too. Give the machine type, operating system, and O/S
version for both the client and server machine. It may also be appropriate to
mention the window manager, compiler, and display hardware type you are using.
Then tell exactly what you are doing, exactly what happens, and what
you expected/wanted to happen. If it is a command that fails, include the
exact transcript of your session in the message. If a program you wrote
doesn't work the way you expect, include as little of the source necessary
(just a small test case, please!) for readers to reproduce the problem.
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Subject: 8) What publications discussing X are available?
The trade magazines (Unix World, Unix Review, Computer Language, etc.)
are publishing more articles on X. Two X-specific publications include:
- O'Reilly and Associates publishes "The X Resource: A Practical
Journal of the X Window System" (103 Morris St. #A, Sebastapol, CA 95472).
Editorial information: Adrian Nye, adrian@ora.com.
- The X Journal is started bi-monthly publication September 1991 on a
variety of X topics. Subscription information: The X Journal, Subscriber
Services, Dept XXX, P.O. Box 3000, Denville, NJ 07834, USA. Editorial
information: editors%topgun@uunet.uu.net.
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Subject: 9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms?
Xt: The X Toolkit Intrinsics is a library layered on Xlib which
provides the functionality from which the widget sets are built. An "Xt-based"
program is an application which uses one of those widget sets and which uses
Intrinsics mechanisms to manipulate the widgets.
Xmu: The Xmu library is a collection of Miscellaneous Utility functions
useful in building various applications and widgets.
Xaw: The Athena Widget Set is the MIT-implemented sample widget set
distributed with X11 source.
Xm: The OSF/Motif widget set from the Open Software Foundation; binary
kits are available from many hardware vendors.
Xhp (Xw): The Hewlett-Packard Widget Set was originally based on R2++,
but several sets of patches exist which bring it up to R3, as it is distributed
on the X11R4 tapes. Supplemental patches are available to use it with R4/R5.
CLX: The Common Lisp X Interface is a Common Lisp equivalent to Xlib.
XDMCP: The X Display Manager Protocol provides a uniform mechanism for
a display such as an X terminal to request login service from a remote host.
XLFD: The X Logical Font Description Conventions describes a standard
logical font description and conventions to be used by clients so that they
can query and access those resources.
RTFM: Common expert-speak meaning "please locate and consult the
relevant documentation -- Read the Forgotten Manual".
UTSL: A common expression meaning "take advantage of the fact that you
aren't limited by a binary license -- Use The Source, Luke".
API: Application-Programmer Interface. The function calls, etc., in
a programming library.
BDF: Bitmap Distribution Format; a human-readable format for uncompiled
X fonts.
GUI: graphical user interface.
UIL: the User Interface Language, part of OSF/Motif which lets
programmers specify a widget hierarchy in a simple "outline" form
WCL: the Widget Creation Language, a package which extends the
understanding of the Xt resource format such that a widget hierarchy and
actions on the widgets can be specified through the resources file
GIL: the file format put out by Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0
UIMS: User Interface Management System
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Subject: 10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?)
The Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual is one of the
official X Consortium standards documents that define the X environment. It
describes the conventions that clients must observe to coexist peacefully with
other clients sharing the same server. If you are writing X clients, you need
to read and understand the ICCCM, in particular the sections discussing the
selection mechanism and the interaction between your client and the window
manager. Get it either:
- as part of the R4 distribution from MIT
- in the later editions of the Scheifler/Gettys "X Window System" book
- as an appendix in the new version of O'Reilly's Volume 0, "X Protocol
Reference Manual." A version in old copies of their Volume 1 is obsolete.
The version in the Digital Press book is much more readable, thanks to
the efforts of Digital Press's editors to improve the English and the
presentation.
[from David Rosenthal, 10/90]
- the ICCCM was updated for R5; updates are published in O'Reilly's
"Programmer's Supplement for Release 5". The complete document is on the R5
tapes.
Alternate definition: the ICCCM is generally the M in "RTFM" and is
the most-important of the least-read X documents.
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Subject: 11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join?
The MIT X Consortium was formed in January of 1988 to further the
development of the X Window System and has as its major goal the promotion of
cooperation within the computer industry in the creation of standard software
interfaces at all layers in the X Window System environment.
MIT's role is to provide the vendor-neutral architectural and
administrative leadership required to make this work. Membership in the
Consortium open to any organization. There are two categories of membership,
Member (for large organizations) and Affiliate (for smaller organizations).
Most of the Consortium's activities take place via electronic mail,
with meetings when required. As designs and specifications take shape,
interest groups are formed from experts in the participating organizations.
Typically a small multi-organization architecture team leads the design, with
others acting as close observers and reviewers. Once a complete specification
is produced, it may be submitted for formal technical review by the Consortium
as a proposed standard. The standards process typically includes public
review (outside the Consortium) and a demonstration of proof of concept.
Your involvement in the public review process or as a Member or
Affiliate of the Consortium is welcomed.
Write to: Bob Scheifler, MIT X Consortium, Laboratory for Computer
Science, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA 02139.
[For complete information see the XCONSORTIUM man page from the X11R4
distribution, from which this information is adapted.] [2/90]
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Subject: 12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif?
OPEN LOOK and Motif are two graphical user interfaces (GUIs). OPEN LOOK
was developed by Sun with help from AT&T and many industry reviewers; Motif was
developed by the Open Software Foundation (OSF) with input from many OSF
members.
OPEN LOOK is primarily a user-interface specification and style-guide;
there are several toolkits which can be used to produce OPEN LOOK applications.
Motif includes an API specification; the only sanctioned Motif toolkit is the
one from OSF. However, there are other toolkits which can be used to produce
programs which look and behave like OSF/Motif; one of these, ParcPlace's
(formerly Solbourne's) OI, is a "virtual toolkit" which provides objects in the
style of OPEN LOOK and Motif, at the user's choice.
OPEN LOOK GUI is also the name of a product from AT&T, comprising
their OPEN LOOK Intrinsics Toolkit and a variety of applications.
[Thanks to Ian Darwin, ian@sq.com, 5/91]
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Subject: 13) Just what is OpenWindows?
Open Windows (3.0) is a Sun product that encompasses: a window system
that combines a NeWS and X11-compliant server (X/NeWS); a user-interface
specification (OPEN LOOK) and a series of toolkits that implement it (including
the SunView-like XView and the Xt-based OLIT); Xlib and Xt implementations; and
a number of utilities (olwm window manager, filemgr, shelltool, etc.).
[thanks to Frank Greco (fgreco@govt.shearson.COM), 8/90; 4/92]
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Subject: 14) Just what is DECWindows?
DECWindows is a DEC product that encompasses: an X11 server; the XUI
toolkit, including the Dwt widget set and UIL; Xlib and Xt implementations; a
session manager; and a number of utilities (dxwm window manager, dxcalendar,
dxpsview, etc.).
(At some point Motif flavors of the toolkit and applications will be shipped.)
[8/90]
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Subject: 15) What is PEX?
PEX is the "PHiGS Extension to X".
PHiGS stands for "Programmer's Hierarchical Interactive Graphics
System" and is essentially a library of functions that simplifies the creation
and manipulation of 3D graphics. Many platforms are capable of performing in
hardware the computations involved in rendering 3D objects; the extension
allows the client (PHiGS in this case) to take advantage of the specialized
hardware for 3D graphics.
Sun Microsystems is currently contracted to develop a freely
redistributable (copyright similar to the current X copyright) sample
implementation. Source and documentation are available in the R5 release.
Several vendors are currently selling independently-developed PEX servers for
their workstations and X terminals.
[last modified 10/91]
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Subject: 16) What is "low-bandwidth X" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP?
There are several options for using X over serial lines:
SLIP - Serial Line IP; this is both a mechanism and a protocol for sending IP
packets over point-to-point serial links. It has been around for several years,
and implementations are available for many of the major TCP/IP implementations.
Most X Terminal vendors supply this as a checkoff item, although nobody really
ever uses it since it is horribly slow. The TCP/IP headers add 40 bytes per
packet and the TCP/IP encoding of the X protocol is rather verbose (rightfully
so; it is optimized for packing and unpacking over high-speed links).
CSLIP - Compressed header SLIP; this is a variant of SLIP that compresses the
40 bytes of TCP/IP headers down to about 5 or 6 bytes. It still doesn't do
anything about reencoding the X protocol. Modems that do compression can help,
but they increase packet latency (it takes time to dribble the uncompressed
data through typical serial interfaces, plus the compression assembly time).
PPP - Point-to-Point Protocol; this is an emerging standard for point-to-point
links over serial lines that has a more complete set of option negotiation than
SLIP. A growing number of people see the combination of PPP for the serial
line management and CSLIP for the header compression as becoming common for
running normal TCP/IP protocols over serial lines. Running raw X over the wire
still needs compression somewhere to make it usable.
XRemote - this is the name of both a protocol and set of products originally
developed by NCD for squeezing the X protocol over serial lines. In addition
to using a low level transport mechanism similar to PPP/CSLIP, XRemote removes
redundancies in the X protocol by sending deltas against previous packets and
using LZW to compress the entire data stream. This work is done by either a
pseudo-X server or "proxy" running on the host or in a terminal server. There
are several advantages to doing compression outside the modem:
(1) You don't *have* to have compressing modems in there if you wouldn't
otherwise be using them (e.g. if you were going to be directly
connected), and
(2) It reduces the I/O overhead by cutting down on the number of bytes that
have to cross the serial interface, and
(3) In addition to the effects of #2, it reduces the latency in delivering
packets by not requiring the modem to buffer up the data waiting for
blocks to compress.
LBX - Low Bandwidth X; this is an X Consortium project that is working on a
standard for this area. It is being chaired by NCD and Xerox and is using
NCD's XRemote protocol as a stepping stone in developing the new protocol. LBX
will go beyond XRemote by adding proxy caching of commonly-used information
(e.g. connection setup data, large window properties, font metrics, keymaps,
etc.) and a more efficient encoding of the X protocol. The hope is to have a
Standard ready for public review in the first half of next year and a sample
implementation available in R6.
Additional technical information about how XRemote works and a few notes on how
LBX might be different are available via anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu
in contrib/ in the following files:
XRemote-slides.ps slides describing XRemote
XRemote-LBX-diffs.ps more slides describing some of LBX
[information provided by Jim Fulton, jim@ncd.com; 7/92]
There is also a set of slides on export from Jim Fulton's talk at
the 7th MIT X Technical Conference.
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Subject: 17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE
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Subject: 18)! What are all these different window managers?
The window manager in X is just another client -- it is not part of the
X window system, although it enjoys special privileges -- and so there is
no single window manager; instead, there are many which support different ways
for the user to interact with windows and different styles of window layout,
decoration, and keyboard and colormap focus. In approximate chronological order
(generally, the more recent ones are more conformant with the ICCCM):
wm: this simple title-bar window manager was phased out in R2 or R3
uwm: the Universal Window Manager is still popular for its speed,
although it is very outdated. Moved to contrib/ on the R4 tape.
twm (old): Tom's Window Manager was among the first non-MIT window
managers and offered the user a great deal of customization options in a
re-parenting window manager.
awm: the Ardent Window Manager remains a hotbed for hackers and offers
some features (dynamic menus) not found on more current window managers
cwm: cwm is part of the Andrew system.
rtl: Siemen's window manager tiles windows so that they don't overlap
and resizes the window with the focus to its preferred size.
dxwm: Digital's dxwm is part of the DECwindows offering
hpwm: HP's window manager offers a 3D look; it is a precursor of mwm
mwm: the Motif window manager is part of the OSF/Motif toolkit
tekwm: Tektronix's window manager offering
olwm (Sun): olwm implements the OPEN LOOK GUI and some of the Style
Guide functionality
olwm (AT&T): ditto
gwm: Bull's Generic Window Manager emulates others with a built-in
Lisp interpreter. Version 1.7h (10/91) is on the R5 contrib tape; 1.7n is on
avahi.inria.fr and export.lcs.mit.edu. [3/93]
m_swm: the Sigma window manager is on the R4 tape
pswm: Sun's PostScript-based pswm is part of the OpenWindows release
swm: Solbourne's swm is based on the OI toolkit and offers multiple
GUI support and also a panned virtual window; configuration information comes
from the resources file
twm (new): MIT's new Tab Window Manager from the R4 tape is a reworked
twm and is the basis for several derivatives, including the one on the R5 tape
vtwm: vtwm offers some of the virtual-desktop features of swm, with a
single-root window implementation; it is based on the R4 twm and is available
on archive servers. A new version, vtwm-5.0, is based on R5.9 and is available
from export. [3/92]
tvtwm: Tom's Virtual Tab Window Manager is also based on the R4 twm
and provides a virtual desktop modeled on the virtual-root window of swm. It is
available on archive servers
olvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to Sun's olwm. It is
available on archive servers; version 3.3 [1/93] is on export.
mvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to OSF's mwm. A beta version
is floating around (most recently from suresh@unipalm.co.uk) but requires a
source license to OSF/Motif 1.1.3 [3/92].
NCDwm: the window manager local to NCD terminals offers an mwm look
XDSwm: the window manager local to Visual Technology's terminals
ctwm: Claude Lecommandeur's (lecom@sic.epfl.ch) modification of the R5
twm offers 32 virtual screens in the fashion of HP vuewm; source is on export.
Version 2.2.2 [2/93] also offers the window overview used in vtwm and tvtwm.
vuewm: HP's MWM-based window manager offers configurable workspaces.
4Dwm: SGI's enhanced MWM
piewm: this version of tvtwm offers pie menus
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Subject: 19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)?
It needn't. What is probably happening is that you are running your
window manager as the last job in your .xsession or .xinitrc file; your X
session runs only as long as the last job is running, and so killing your
window manager is equivalent to logging out. Instead, run the window manager in
the background, and as the last job instead invoke something safe like:
exec xterm -name Login -rv -iconic
or any special client of your devising which exits on some user action.
Your X session will continue until you explicitly logout of this window,
whether or not you kill or restart your window manager.
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Subject: 20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does?
Although no known window manager directly supports such a feature --
which may be equivalent to writing out a .xinitrc or .xsession file naming the
geometry and WM_COMMAND of each application (but olvwm may have something
close) -- there is a contributed application which does much of what you are
looking for, although it is not as complete as the SunView program toolplaces.
Look for the application "xplaces" on an archive-server near you. There are
several versions of this program floating around; look for a recent vintage.
[10/90]
Some new pseudo session-managers such as HP's vuewm provide for the
saving of sessions including information on the geometry of currently-running
applications and the resource database.
[Bjxrn Stabell (bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.no); 3/93.]
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Subject: 21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager?
DEC's session manager will start dxwm up by default. To override this,
add to your .Xdefaults file something like this line, naming the full pathname:
sm.windowManagerName: /wherever/usr/bin/X11/your_favorite_wm
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Subject: 22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate?
You can turn auto-repeat on or off by using "xset r on|off". The X
protocol, however, doesn't provide for varying the auto-repeat rate, which is
a capability not supported by all systems.
Some servers running on systems that support this, however, may provide
command-line flags to set the rate at start-up time. If you have control over
server start-up (see the man pages for xinit and xdm), you can invoke the
server with the chosen settings; for example, you can start the Xsun server
from MIT with the options "-ar1 350 -ar2 30" to reduce the sensitivity of the
keyboard.
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Subject: 23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string?
There is no method of arranging for a particular string to be
produced when you press a particular key. The xmodmap client, which is useful
for moving your CTRL and ESC keys to useful places, just rearranges keys and
does not do "macro expansion."
Some (few) clients, including xterm and several X-based editors,
accept a translation resource such as:
xterm*VT100.Translations: #override \
<Key>F1: string("setenv DISPLAY unix:0")
which permits the shorthand F1 to be pressed to reset the display locally
within an xterm; it takes effect for new xterm clients. To include control
characters in the string, use \nnn, where nnn is the octal encoding of the
control character you want to include.
Window managers, which could provide this facility, do not yet; nor
has a special "remapper" client been made available.
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David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net
"Just the FAQs, ma'am." -- Joe Friday
--
David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.
day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net
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7968 | From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)
Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")
Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Lines: 19
In article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu>
trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:
> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,
> Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic
> quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values,
> thus all must be true...
Yep. There's truth in all those religions, even in science.
Christianity doesn't claim to know it all. It does claim certain
things are true though that contradict other religions' truth claims.
So they can't all be true.
------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele In coming to understand anything
MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they
244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts
Lexington, MA 02173 as they are.
617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis
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7969 | From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz)
Subject: Re: Help with WinQVT
Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz)
Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: lrz
Lines: 63
swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
> when I use a name such as rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
> Initiating nameserver query for 'rosevc'
> nameserver query time out
> when I use the IP number
> Local host or gateway not responding
>I know the nameserver is correct and the router is correct. They work
>fine using NCSA telnet/ftp.
They are working ok, but your definitions in QVTNET.INI and QVTHOST.RC are
incorrect (see below).
>The docs said if you are running concurrent packet software you need to
>load PKTMUX??? Does this apply to me???
No, I don't think so. You are using QVTNET and NOVELL concurrently, aren't
you? They use different packet types, so QVTNET (TCP/IP) and NOVELL (IPX/SPX)
should be able to coexist just fine. PKTMUX is required if you are using
different TCP/IP-Packages concurrently.
>This is the qvthost.rc file.
>137.112.5.2
>137.112.199.50
There is the first problem: You didn't specify hostnames, just IP-Addresses.
Your file should look like this:
137.112.5.2 <Name of your Nameserver>
137.112.199.50 <Name of your Router>
>This is the beginning of the winqvt.ini file.
>[net]
>name=swartzjh.test.rose-hulman.edu
Here you should only specify your hostname, without the domain part.
>router=137.112.199.50
Instead, use router=<Name of your Router>, as specified in your QVTHOST.RC
I know the release notes for 3.31 say that IP addresses should work also,
but apparently they don't.
>nameserver=137.112.5.2
Here, too, you should use the hostname of the nameserver instead of the
IP address.
It worked fine for me that way, although I could not specify more than
one nameserver. The relnotes say it should be possible to specify up to
three nameservers, separated by commas, but it didn't work.
Hope it helps,
Richard
--
+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
| Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de |
| EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 |
| Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 |
| Munich, Germany | |
+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
|
7970 | From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?
Organization: SDSU - LARC
Lines: 8
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu
> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that
> this board would be most appropriate.
try sci.energy
Jeff Babb
babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
Programmer, SDSU - LARC
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7971 | Subject: Fluids vs Liquids
From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 18
west@next02.wam.umd.edu (Brian West) writes:
[ deleted ]
>A similar analogy can be made with glass. For those of you who don't
>know, glass is a liquid (go ask your science teacher) and DOES flow.
[ deleted ]
If your science teacher tells you glass is a liquid, try to get a different
science teacher B^). Glass is a supercooled fluid, it is not a liquid (except
at very high temperatures). The definition of liquid includes "readily takes
the form of its container". Let's try to be more accurate here. We don't want
people to think we're creationists now do we?
UUCP: uunet!tektronix!sail!mikec or M.Cranford
uunet!tektronix!sail.labs.tek.com!mikec Principal Troll
ARPA: mikec%sail.LABS.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET Resident Skeptic
CSNet: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM TekLabs, Tektronix
|
7972 | From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis)
Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4/5
Summary: useful information about the X Window System
Article-I.D.: visual.C52Ep6.97p
Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address)
Organization: VISUAL, Inc.
Lines: 968
Archive-name: x-faq/part4
Last-modified: 1993/04/04
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Subject: 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program?
These usually are available from uucp sites such as uunet or other sites as
marked; please consult the archie server to find more recent versions.
gnuplot X (xplot), PostScript and a bunch of other drivers.
export.lcs.mit.edu [and elsewhere]:contrib/gnuplot3.1.tar.Z
gl_plot X output only [?]
comp.sources.unix/volume18
graph+
yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au:/pub/graph+.tar.Z [131.170.24.42]
comp.sources.unix/volume8
pdraw,drawplot 2D and 3D X,PS
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/3dplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/contour.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/drawplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
uunet:~ftp/contrib/drawplot.tar.Z
xgraph plot, zoom. Outputs PS or HPGL.
shambhala.berkeley.edu:/pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.32.132.54]
sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de:X11/contrib/xgraph-11.tar.Z [132.230.1.1]
nisc.jvnc.net:pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.121.50.7]
comp.sources.x/volume3
or many other sites
ACE/gr (formerly xvgr and xmgr) XY plotting tools
ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34]
XView version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z
Motif version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z
[mirrored on export in /contrib/acegr]
XGobi An interactive dynamic scatter-plotting tool from Bellcore
lib.stat.cmu.edu: general/xgobi* [log in as statlib with your email
as the password; or send email to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu containing
the one-line message "send xgobi from general"]
Information from: Debby Swayne, dfs@bellcore.com.
Robot a scientific XView-based graph plotting and data analysis tool
ftp.astro.psu.edu:pub/astrod/robotx0.46.tar.Z [128.118.147.28]
plotmtv a multi-purpose 2D/3D plotter
tanqueray.berkeley.edu:/pub/Plotmtv1.3.1.tar.Z
[2/91. Thanks in part to: emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti); geoff@Veritas.COM
(Geoffrey Leach); Paul A. Scowen (uk1@spacsun.rice.edu); black@beno.CSS.GOV
(Mike Black)]
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Subject: 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet?
A version of "sc" for X and which supports Lotus files is available from
vernam.cs.uwm.edu in xspread2.0.tar.Z. It also includes graphing functions.
Information: soft-eng@cs.uwm.edu.
The GNU package OLEO is available in prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/oleo-1.2.2.tar.Z;
it can generate PostScript renditions of spreadsheets.
Also:
Several of the below are part of integrated office-productivity tools which may
also include word-processing, email, conferencing, image processing, and
drawing/painting, among other features.
Vendor Product Contact Information
------ ------- -------------------
Access Technology 20/20 508-655-9191
Informix WingZ 800-331-1763
Quality Software Products Q-Calc/eXclaim 800-628-3999 (CA:213-410-0303)
Unipress Q-Calc 201-985-8000
Uniplex Uniplex 214-717-0068, 800-356-8063
Digital DECdecision 1-800-DIGITAL
Applix Aster*x 508-870-0300, 1-800-8APPLIX.
AIS XESS 919-942-7801, info@ais.com
BBN Software Products BBN/Slate 617-873-5000 slate-offer@bbn.com
Elsid Software Systems Ripcam 613-228-9468
SAS by the SAS Institute now has a spreadsheet module; the X version is
available on the current popular RISC platforms.
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Subject: 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software?
Vendor Product Contact Information
------ ------- -------------------
Productivity Solutions Ultra Planner 617-237-1600
Quality Software Products MasterPlan Version, 310-410-0303 sales@qsp.com
Digital Tools, Inc. AutoPLAN 408-366-6920, 800-755-0065
NASA COMPASS 404-542-3265,
service@cossack.cosmic.uga.edu
GEC-Marconi Software Systems GECOMO Plus 703-648-1551
GEC-Marconi Software Systems SIZE Plus 703-648-1551
TEI, Inc VUE 408-985-7100
Mantix Cascade 703-506-8833
Advanced Management Solutions Schedule Publisher 800-397-6829
Auburn University ?? ??
[thanks to Pete Phillips (pete@egh-qc.co.uk); 7/92]
[thanks to Atul Chhabra (atul@nynexst.com); 10/92]
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Subject: 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer?
Ghostscript is distributed by the Free Software Foundation
(617-876-3296) and includes a PostScript interpreter and a library of graphics
primitives. Version 2.5.2 is now available; the major site is prep.ai.mit.edu.
[11/92]
GSPreview (by the Computing Laboratory of the University of Kent at
Canterbury) is an X user interface (WCL-based) to the Ghostscript 2.4[.1]
interpreter [5/92]. The source is available for anonymous ftp from
export.lcs.mit.edu as gspreview.2.0.tar.Z.
Ghostview (by Tim Theisen, tim@cs.wisc.edu) is full-function user
interface for GhostScript. Check ftp.cs.wisc.edu or prep.ai.mit.edu for
/pub/ghostview-1.4.1.tar.Z [1/93]. There are also several executables available
on ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/X/ghostview-exe for various architectures.
Also:
ScriptWorks is Harlequin's software package for previewing and printing
PostScript(R) descriptions of text and graphics images; previewers for X are
available. For information call +44-223-872522 or send email to
scriptworks-request@harlqn.co.uk.
Image Network's Xps supports the full PostScript language and renders
in color, grayscale, or monochrome. Fonts displayed are anti-aliased. Info:
Image Network, +1 415 967 0542.
Digital's dxpsview runs on UWS 2.1 and 2.2.
Sun's pageview runs with the X11/NeWS server.
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Subject: 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package?
The latest freely-available XGKS can be obtained from
xgks-request@unidata.ucar.edu; this is a 2c implementation derived from the
X11R4 contrib XGKS from IBM and the University of Illinois. The release
is on unidata.ucar.edu [128.117.140.3] as pub/xgks.tar.Z. [12/90]
In addition, Grafpak-GKS is available from Advanced Technology Center
(714-583-9119).
GKSUL is available from gks@ulowell.edu (ULowell CS department). It is
a 2b implementation which includes drivers for a variety of devices. It can be
passed an X window ID to use. The package includes both C and Fortran bindings.
[11/90; from dsrand@mitre.org and from stew@hanauma.stanford.edu]
An XgksWidget is produced by Neil Bowers (neilb@leeds.dcs;
neilb@dcs.leeds.ac.uk); the latest [10/91] conforms with the new version of
XGKS (2.4). It is available on export in contrib/xgks-widget.tar.Z.
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Subject: 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package?
The first official release of PEX is with X11R5; fix-22 brings the
Sample Implementation server to version 5.1.
The final PEX 5.1 Protocol specification is now available via anonymous
ftp to export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12), in the directory /pub/DOCS/PEX/.
Changes made from the Public Review draft are listed in the file "5.1P_changes"
in that directory. [9/92]
The final PEXlib 5.1 document is on export in pub/DOCS/PEXlib. [11/92]
There is now available from the University of Illinois an
implementation of the PEX 4.0 specification called UIPEX. It contains a "near-
complete" implementation of PHiGS and PHiGS PLUS. The file
pub/uipex/uipex.tar.Z is on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1); the porting platform
was an RT running 4.3. Questions and comments can to go uipex@cs.uiuc.edu.
In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is
available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to
include PEX in Xt-based programs.
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Subject: 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer?
The xtex previewer for TeX files is available from a number of archive
sites, including uunet; the current version is usually on ftp.cs.colorado.edu
(128.138.204.31) in SeeTeX-2.18.5.tar.Z; pre-converted fonts are also on that
machine. The distribution all includes "mftobdf" which converts PK, GF, and PXL
fonts to BDF format, where they can then be compiled for use by your local X
server.
The xdvi dvi-previewer is fairly comprehensive and easy to use. It is
also available from a number of sites, including uunet and export.lcs.mit.edu;
current version is patchlevel 16 [12/92].
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Subject: 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer?
X11R4 has two previewers for device-independent troff: the supported
client xditview, and the contributed-but-well-maintained xtroff. An earlier
version of xtroff also appeared on the R3 contributed source. xditview is also
in the R5 distribution.
In addition, the xman client can be used to preview troff documents
which use the -man macros (i.e. man pages).
If psroff is used its output can be viewed with a PostScript previewer.
In addition:
xproof, an X previewer for ditroff has been contributed by Marvin
Solomon (solomon@cs.wisc.edu); version 3.5 is available on export in
contrib/xproof*. [8/90]
Elan Computer Group (CA: 415-964-2200) produces eroff, a modified
troff implementation, and Elan/Express, an X11 eroff previewer.
SoftQuad (416-963-8337; USA only 800-387-2777, mail@sq.uu.net or
mail@sq.com) offers SoftQuad Publishing Software, including a substantially-
rewritten troff formatter, a better intermediate language with backwards
compatibility, and an X11[R3,R4] previewer. (This is the package adopted by
AT&T's own MIS department, and used in and re-sold by many parts of AT&T).
[information from Ian Darwin, SoftQuad (ian@sq.com) 3/90]
Image Network (1-800-TOXROFF; CA: 415-967-0542) offers the Xroff
package, which includes a fine modified troff implementation and a set of
X11-based page previewers. (This is the package OEM'ed by several hardware
vendors.)
[mostly courtesy moraes@cs.toronto.edu (Mark Moraes)] [2/90]
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Subject: 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder?
A new release of the DIRT interface builder by Richard Hesketh works
with X11R5 and includes some support for the Motif widget set. From the README:
This builder allows the interactive creation and rapid prototyping of X user
interfaces using the X Toolkit and a number of Widget Sets. Dirt generates
"Wc - Widget Creation" resource files and this distribution also includes the
Widget Creation Library (version 1.06, with the exception of the demos and
Mri/Ari source code) with the kind permission of its author David E. Smyth.
Check dirt.README, dirt.A2.0.tar.Z, and dirt.PS.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu.
The InterViews 3.0.1 C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG interface builder
called ibuild. ibuild generates code for an InterViews application complete
with Imakefile and an X-resource file. Documentation is /pub/papers/ibuild.ps
on interviews.stanford.edu (36.22.0.175).
Quest Windows's (408-496-1900) ObjectViews C++ package includes an
interactive building tool.
Druid (Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development) runs on SPARC
machines using OSF/Motif 1.0; it is intended eventually to be a full UIMS but
apparently now has only support for creating the presentation components, for
which it generates C/UIL code. Info: Singh G, Kok CH, Ngan TY, "Druid: A System
for Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development". Proc. ACM SIGGRAPH Symp
on User Interface Software and Technology (UIST'90). ACM, NY, 1990, pp:167-177.
The BYO interface builder is implemented in tcl.
Also:
In addition, these commercial products (unsorted) are available in
final or prerelease form [the * following the product name indicates that the
product is known to allow the designer to specify for each widget whether a
particular resource is hard-coded or written to an application defaults file,
for at least one form of output]. Some are much more than user-interface tools;
some are full user interface management systems; information on most is not
up-to-date:
Product Name Look/Feel Code Output Vendor
HP Interface Motif 1.1 C(Xm) HP/Visual Edge
Architect/ UIMX
OPEN LOOK Express OPEN LOOK C(Xol+ helper lib) AT&T /
Visual Edge
UIMX 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm + helper code) Visual Edge
514-332-6430
& distributors
VUIT 2.0 Motif 1.1 C/UIL[r/w] DEC
(1-800-DIGITAL)
X-Designer 1.1 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL Imperial
Software
Technology, Ltd
(+44 734 587055)
sales@ist.co.uk
XFaceMaker2 (XFM2) * Motif 1.0 C;C/script (C-like procedural
language);C/UIL
NSL
(33 1 43 36 77 50)
requests@nsl.fr
Builder Xcessory 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] ICS
Ada (617-621-0060)
info@ics.com
XBUILD 1.1 * Motif 1.0 C(Xm); C/UIL Nixdorf
(617-864-0066)
xbuild@nixdorf.com
iXBUILD Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL iXOS Software
karl@ixos.uucp
089/461005-69
TeleUSE 2.1 * Motif 1.1.5 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w]
Telesoft
(619-457-2700)
gui_info@telesoft.com
ezX 3.2 Motif 1.1 C(Xm +helper lib);C/UIL;Ada
Sunrise
(401-847-7868)
info@sunrise.com
Snapix Motif C/Xm ADNT
+33 1 3956 5333
OpenWindows Developers OPEN LOOK GIL [-> C/XView] Sun
Guide 3.0 GIL [-> C++/XView]
GIL [-> C/OLIT]
GIL [-> C/PostScript for TNT]
ExoCode/SXM Motif C(Xm) Expert Object
ExoCode/Plus OPEN LOOK XView 708-676-5555
TAE+ Xw;Motif C(Xw,Xm); C/TCL (TAE Control Language,
like UIL[needs helper library]);
VAX Fortran; Ada; C++
Nasa Goddard
(301) 286-6034
MOB, XSculptor Motif; OpenLook C/Xm,UIL; C/Xol Kovi
408-982-3840
PSM PM, MSW 3.0, C/UIL Lancorp
Motif 1.1.2,Mac Pty Ltd.
+61 3 629 4833
Fax: 629 1296
(Australia)
MOTIFATION Motif 1.0|1.1.2 C(Xm) AKA EDV
+49 (0) 234/33397-0
+49 (0) 234/33397-40 fax
UIB Open Look/Motif C++(OI) ParcPlace
+1 303-678-4626
Look for magazine reviews for more complete comparisons of meta-file formats,
documentation, real ease-of-use, etc; Unix World and Unix Review often carry
articles.
In addition, Neuron Data (1 415 321-4488) makes Open Interface, a
window-system-independent object toolkit which supports interfaces which are
or resemble (supersets of) Mac, Windows, and Motif and Open Look; the package
includes an interface builder.
In addition, the GRAMMI builder supports the development of Ada/X
applications using its own set of objects which are planned to have a Motif
look. GRAMMI is written in Ada and generates Ada specs and stub bodies.
(1-800-GRAMMI-1).
In addition, these non-WYSIWYG but related products may help for goals
of rapid prototyping of the application interface:
WCL: the Widget Creation Library. Basically describes the widget
hierarchy and actions in a resources file; available from fine archive servers
everywhere, including devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.143) in pub/. Wcl provides
a very thin layer over Xt without any internal tweaking. Version 2.5 is current
[3/93].
WINTERP: an Xlisp-based Motif toolkit allows for interpretive
programming. The copy on the R4 tape is outdated; get a copy off export or
email to winterp-source%hplnpm@hplabs.hp.com.
The Serpent UIMS permits the building of user-interfaces without
specific knowledge of coding but with an understanding of attributes being set
on a particular [Motif] widget. Beta Release 1.2 is available from
ftp.sei.cmu.edu (128.237.1.13) and can be found in /pub/serpent. Serpent is
also available on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.11) in /contrib/serpent. Email
questions can go to serpent@sei.cmu.edu. A commercial version of Serpent is
available as "Agora" from ASET, 221 Woodhaven Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15228.
Garnet is a Common Lisp-based GUI toolkit. Information is available
from garnet@cs.cmu.edu.
MetaCard is a hypertext/Rapid Application Development environment
similar to Apple/Claris Corporation's HyperCard (info@metacard.com). MetaCard
is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or
128.138.213.21.
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Subject: 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts?
I want to have a shell script pop up menus and yes/no dialog boxes if the user
is running X.
Several tools in the R3 contrib/ area were developed to satisfy these
needs: yorn pops up a yes/no box, xmessage displays a string, etc. There are
several versions of these tools; few, if any, have made it to the R4 contrib/
area, though they may still be available on various archive sites.
In addition, Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has posted the xmenu
package to comp.sources.x ("v08i008: xmenu") for 1-of-n choices. [7/90]
Two versions of XPrompt have been posted to comp.sources.x, the latter
being an unauthorized rewrite. [R. Forsman (thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu), 1/91]
There is a version of XMenu available from comp.sources.x; it is
being worked on and will likely be re-released.
xp-1.1.tar.Z, xpick-1.0.tar.Z and xzap-1.0.tar.Z on export's contrib/
are tools by Gerry.Tomlinson@newcastle.ac.UK which act as X versions of the
simple display and choice-making tools in K&P. [4/92]
xtpanel lets the user build a panel containing interactive objects such
as buttons, sliders, text fields, etc., either from the command line or using a
simple scripting language. It is available for anonymous ftp from
hanauma.Stanford.EDU (36.51.0.16) as pub/X/xtpanel.tar.Z and may also be found
in the alt.sources archives.
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Subject: 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger?
xdbx, an X interface to the dbx debugger, is available via ftp from
export. The current [1/91] version is 2.1 patchlevel 2.
An X interface to gdb called xxgdb is more like xdbx 2.1.2. It is part
of comp.sources.x volume 11 [2/91]; xxgdb-1.06.tar.Z is on export.
mxgdb is a Motif interface to gdb by Jim Tsillas
(jtsillas@bubba.ma30.bull.com); version 1.1.5 was released 1/93.
UPS is a source-level debugger which runs under the X11 and SunView
window systems on Sun and DEC platforms. It is available from export
(18.24.0.11) as contrib/ups-2.45.tar.Z (also ups-2.45-to-2.45.2.patch.Z)
and unix.hensa.ac.uk (129.12.21.7) in /pub/misc/unix/ups (or try mail to
archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk). [10/92] Unofficial fixes by Rod Armstrong
(rod@sj.ate.slb.com) are on unix.hensa.ac.uk in
/misc/unix/ups/contrib/rod@sj.ate.slb.com.
Also:
MIPS produces a highly-customizable (WCL-based) Visual Debugger.
You should be able to use Sun's dbxtool with its X11/NeWS server.
The CodeCenter (617-498-3000) source-level debugger, available on most
major platforms, includes an X-based interface.
AT&T offers the eXamine Graphical Interface, an X11 interface to dbx
and C++ dbx for Sun3 and Sun4 and sdb and sdb++ for 386 and 3B2 platforms. Call
1-508-960-1997 or contact examine@mvuxi.att.com for more information.
Solbourne (+1 303-678-4626) offers PDB, its X-based debugger for C, C++
and Fortran. PDB uses the OI toolkit and runs in either Open Look or Motif
mode.
SCO (info@sco.com) offers dbXtra as part of several development
systems.
Lucid's Energize Programming System, a tightly integrated development
environment for C and C++ programs, incorporates a graphical user interface on
top of an extended version of gdb. Info: lucid-info@lucid.com, or
(800) 223-9322.
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Subject: 91)! How can I "tee" an X program identically to several displays?
There are several protocol multiplexer tools which provide for the
simultaneous display of X clients on any number of machines.
XMX (an X Protocol Multiplexor) is available from wilma.cs.brown.edu
(128.148.33.66) as pub/xmx.tar.Z It works independently of the server and does
not affect the application being shared; it was developed for use in the
electronic classroom.
XTV is a conference program which can be used to duplicate the
"chalkboard" on several displays. Release 1 is available on the X11R5 contrib
tapes; a more recent version is on ftp.cs.odu.edu as pub/wahab/XTV.r2.tar.Z.
SHX from Michael Altenhofen of Digital Equipment GmbH CEC Karlsruhe
also does this; it is a "WYSIWIS" (What You See Is What I See) package in the
context of a computer-based learning/training tool to provide online help from
remote tutors but is also useful for general window sharing. Information:
shX@nestvx.enet.dec.com. SHX can be found on export and
gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z,
crl.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z
Modifications to SHX for color mapping and private color allocation by
Mark J. Handley (M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk) are on cs.ucl.ac.uk in
car/shX.car.tar.Z.
XTrap is implemented as a server/library extension and can be used
to record and then replay an x session. It is available as:
gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z
wscrawl can be used as a "multi-person paint program". It's available
on sax.stanford.edu as wscrawl.shar.Z.
Shdr implements a simple shared whiteboard, without a chalk-passing
mechanism. It's available on parcftp.xerox.com as pub/europarc/shdr.tar.Z.
SketchPad 1.0 (3/93) is a distributed interactive graphical editor
particularly designed for sketching. Sources have been posted to alt.sources
and are available from ftp.igd.fhg.de (192.44.32.1) in ~ftp/incoming/sketchpad.
The NESTOR project is described in "Upgrading A Window System For
Tutoring Functions", Michael Altenhofen et al., the proceedings of the EXUG
Conference 11/90.
Also of use:
Hewlett-Packard Co. has a commercial product, "HP SharedX" which works
under HP-UX currently on their 300, 400, and 700 series workstations and their
HP 700/RX X Stations. Machines receiving shared windows can be any X server.
HP SharedX consists of a server extensions and a Motif based user interface
process. Contact your local HP sales rep. for more information.
IBM offers a commercial product.
Sun offers multi-user confering software called ShowMe.
InSoft (Mechanicsburg, PA, USA) offers multi-user confering software
called Communique.
[Thanks in part to scott@spectra.com (Tim Scott), 5/91, and to Peter Cigehn
(peter@lulea.trab.se), 8/92 ]
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Subject: 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5]
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Subject: 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build?
This FAQ includes information on a number of "gotchas" that can bite
you on particular system. However, the best source of general information on
building the X11 release is found in the Release Notes. The file is bundled
separately from the rest of the release, so if it's become separated from your
sources you can FTP another copy separately: the file RELNOTES.[ms,PS,TXT] at
the top of the distribution. The file RELNOTES is also available from the
xstuff mail server.
In addition, O'Reilly & Associates's Volume 8 on X Administration
includes information on configuring and building X.
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Subject: 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5?
Apparently gcc is the problem; it seems to produce fine code for all
Sun displays except for the cgsix. The new sunGX.o distributed with fix-07
may fix the problem (note: not known to work on Solaris).
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Subject: 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.?
If you get errors with _dlsym _dlopen _dlclose undefined, link with
libdl.a. Add "-ldl" to your and eventually your site.def. You may want to
surround it with "-Bstatic -ldl -Bdynamic" if you add it to the EXTRA_LIBRARIES
variable, since "syslibs" get added after EXTRA_LIBRARIES on the eventual
compilation command; otherwise you may not have a shared libdl. (Or compile
the stubs shared.)
[thanks to Joe Backo (joe.backo@East.Sun.COM), 12/91]
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Subject: 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2?
In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts
with the way X11R4 builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols to be
undefined when building some X11 clients:
_get_wmShellWidgetClass
_get_applicationShellWidgetClass
Compiling "-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic" appears to work.
To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please
contact your local Sun office and request the following patches:
Patch i.d. Description
100512-02 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch
100573-03 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using
shared libXmu
[Greg Earle, earle@Sun.COM; 7/92]
A source patch for use with the MIT X11R4 libraries was developed by Conrad
Kimball (cek@sdc.boeing.com); it retrofits into R4 some fixes made in R5 to
get around this problem. The patch is on export in [1/93]
contrib/X11R4_sunos4.1.2_patch_version3.Z
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Subject: 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC?
I used gcc to compile the whole distribution, but I get several segmentation
faults when running X.
Note first that gcc on RISC machines does not necessarily result in
any performance increase; it certainly is not as noticeable as it is on the
680x0 or VAX platforms.
Here is the problem: gcc and cc use incompatible methods of passing
structures as arguments and returning them as function values, so when
gcc-compiled parts of X are linked with Sun-supplied functions that pass or
return structs, run-time errors occur. Affected programs include rgb and
the server.
This is from the GCC manual:
On the Sparc, GNU CC uses an incompatible calling convention for
structures. It passes them by including their contents in the argument
list, whereas the standard compiler passes them effectively by
reference.
This really ought to be fixed, but such calling conventions are not yet
supported in GNU CC, so it isn't straightforward to fix it.
The convention for structure returning is also incompatible, and
`-fpcc-struct-return' does not help.
You can duck the problem either by using cc throughout or by using it for just
the routines which cause incompatibilities; the problem cannot be solved with
compilation flags.
Files which need to be compiled using cc include:
server/os/4.2bsd/oscolor.c
rgb/rgb.c
In addition, several of the "inet_" functions use structs as args or
return values:
clients/xhost/xhost.c
clients/xauth/gethost.c.
Calls to inet_addr in /lib/CLX/socket.c and lib/X/XConnDis.c are possibly
harmless as they don't involve structs.
[collected by bashford@scripps.edu (Don Bashford); 8/90]
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Subject: 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc?
When I try to run xinit or the Xsun server I get the error
"Getting interface configuration: Operation not supported on socket.
Fatal server bug! no screens found."
Running the gcc fixincludes script apparently didn't work. You can do
this simple test:
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
SIOCGIFCONF
Run that through cc -E and gcc -E. The last line of output is the piece of
interest; it should be identical (modulo irrelevant differences like
whitespace). If the gcc version has 'x' where the cc version has 'i', your
fixincludes run didn't work for some reason or other; go back to your gcc
sources and run `fixincludes`; then rebuild the X distribution. If they are
identical, try running a make clean in mit/server and rebuilding, just to make
sure everything gets compiled with the proper include files.
[courtesy der Mouse, mouse@LARRY.MCRCIM.MCGILL.EDU; 9/90]
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Subject: 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3?
In mit/server/ddx/sun/sunCG3C.c, we have found "missing" defines for
CG3AC_MONOLEN, CG3BC_MONOLEN, CG3AC_ENBLEN, CG3BC_ENBLEN. What should these be?
The R4 Errata list distributed after X11R4 mentions that you can add
these lines to the file on older SunOS versions (e.g. 3.5) to compile:
#define CG3AC_MONOLEN (128*1024)
#define CG3AC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
#define CG3BC_MONOLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
#define CG3BC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
However, the Sun3 should not actually ever have the CG3 device, and so
references to it can be removed from mit/server/ddx/sun/sunInit.c and the
Imakefile. [11/90]
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Subject: 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1?
The file <sundev/cg6reg.h> isn't being found.
Sun omitted <sundev/cg6reg.h> from SunOS 4.1.1. Remove the #include
from sunCG6C.c and replace it with the line
#define CG6_VADDR_COLOR 0x70016000
The file has changed from earlier versions of SunOS and should not be copied
from another distribution.
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Subject: 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4?
All of the executables that I try to run have the following results:
ld.so: libXmu.so.4: not found
or even:
ld.so: call to undefined procedure __GetHostname from 0xf776a96c
If you are building with shared libraries on a Sun, remember that you
need to run "ldconfig" as root after installing the shared libraries (if you've
installed X on a file-server, run it on the server's clients, too). While
building and installing the distribution, you need to be careful to avoid
linking against any existing X shared libraries you might have (e.g. those
distributed with OpenWindows). You should make sure you do not have
LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your environment during the build or the installation.
If you are going to keep xterm and xload as setuid programs, please note that
the shared libraries must be installed in /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, or
/usr/5lib for these programs to work (or else those programs must be linked
statically). [courtesy MIT X Consortium]
Note also that the program mkfontdir is run as part of the build; it
attempts, however, to use the shared libraries before they have been installed.
You can avoid the errors by building mkfontdir statically (pass -Bstatic to
most C compilers).
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Subject: 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined)
This is a bug in the OLIT. _XtQString was an external symbol that existed in
X11R4 (upon which OW 3.0's libXt is based). It wasn't documented and was
removed in X11R5 (MIT's guarantee of upward compatibility between the R4 and R5
libraries only applied to the documented interface).
A workaround is to temporarily set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the X11R4
or OpenWindows Xt library that you linked the program against.
[10/92; from Barry Margolin (barmar@think.com); 3/93 from Jeff Francis
(jpf@heliocentric.com)]
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Subject: 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole?
There is a security problem with certain R4 clients (xterm and xload)
running under SunOS 4.1 that have been installed setuid root and are using
shared libraries; to avoid the problem, do one of these:
1) make the program non-setuid. You should consult your system
administrator concerning protection of resources (e.g. ptys and /dev/kmem) used
by these programs, to make sure that you do not create additional security
problems at your site.
2) relink the programs statically (using -Bstatic).
3) install the libraries before linking and link with absolute paths
to the libraries.
[from rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Bob Scheifler), 12/90]
The R5 version of xterm does this automatically by rebuilding xterm against the
newly-installed libraries when xterm is being installed; this prevents an suid
program from being built with libraries specified relatively. Note that this
may cause an inconvenience when doing the installation from NFS-mounted disks.
Xload has been rewritten to avoid the problem.
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Subject: 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole?
On many systems the frame-buffer is unsecured by default; this permits
anyone who can log into your workstation to peek at your windowing session by
accessing the frame-buffer directly, or, as less of a privacy issue but perhaps
more annoying, to [accidentally] start up a second X session on your console
display. Check the man page for fbtab(5).
[Thanks to Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca); 2/93.]
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Subject: 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS
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Subject: 106) What is Imake?
Imake is not a replacement for the make program; instead, it is a
makefile-generator that takes advantages of the include-file and macro-
processing capabilities of the C preprocessor cpp to generate makefiles
suitable for building software on a particular system. Although it is not
specific to X, the X release uses it to help solve a number of the
configuration issues that arise in making such a large system widely portable.
Imake has a fairly steep learning curve, in part because the process by
which the system-specific configuration files, system-independent configuration
files, and individual Imakefiles are melded to produce a Makefile is not
obvious.
There have been several different versions of imake; the R3, R4, and
R5 versions are different.
You can obtain information on imake from these sources:
- the R4 and R5 release notes and imake man page include information on
using Imake to build X
- the R4 and R5 file mit/config/README also contains useful information
- on the R4 tapes, contrib/doc/imake/imake.tex is Mark Moraes' R3/R4
guide to imake.
- the R5 mit/doc/config/usenixws/paper.ms contains a paper by Jim
Fulton on an early version of Imake
- Paul Dubois (dubois@primate.wisc.edu) has written a useful
explanation of how Imake works and how to use it in configuring X for non-
supported systems; the document is available from ftp.primate.wisc.edu
in the directory ~ftp/pub/imake-stuff; look for config-X11R4.ms (troff) and
config-X11R4.ps (PostScript). Some supplemental appendices are nearby.
[7/91: document version is now 1.06] These imake papers are available by email;
mail a message body of "send imake-stuff help" to almanac@primate.wisc.edu.
- see "System Administration - Imake: Friend of Foe?" by Dinah McNutt
in the November 1991 issue of SunExpert.
- German readers should expect in June 1992 an article "Das Meta-Make
/ I make, you make / Schwerelos" by Rainer Klute in "iX
Multiuser-Multitasking-Magazin", directed at application programmers needing to
write Imakefiles. An English-language derivative of this article is in The
X Journal, issue 2:1.
- The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains Paul Davey's article on
demystifying Imake.
- Alain Brossard's working document full of tips on Imake is in
sasun1.epfl.ch:pub/imakefile.1.Z.
[1/91;12/91;5/92;8/92]
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Subject: 107) Where can I get imake?
Versions are distributed with the R4 and R5 releases. An earlier
version is distributed with the X11R3 release; some third-party toolkits
redistribute versions of imake along with their own implementations of the
template and configuration files. There are no real standards for such
configuration files, although most *current* contributed software expects the
templates distributed with X11R5.
export contains the R5 distribution unpacked, so you can pick up imake
without picking up the entire distribution.
A stand-alone version of Imake, but one stemming from X11R5, is in
ftp.germany.eu.net:pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (192.76.144.75).
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Subject: 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do?
If you have R4 or R5 installed on your system, run "xmkmf". This is a
script which runs imake for you with the correct arguments. The output is a
Makefile configured for your system and based on the Imakefile. Then run make,
which will use that new Makefile to compile the program.
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Subject: 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines?
When I try to compile certain programs, I get the following link error:
Undefined:
_XShapeQueryExtension
_XShapeCombineMask
These routines are actually part of the Shape Extension to X (SHAPE)
which was introduced in the MIT X11R4 distribution and allows non-rectangular
windows. Like the other sample server extensions, the shape extension will
only run on a server which supports it. Pre-X11R4 servers, as well as many
vendor-supplied servers, do not support the shape extension, in which case
they will display rectangular windows anyway.
In order to use the shape extension, you must link to the library
libXext.a. In the X11R4 distribution, this library and the associated includes
will be in the mit/extensions directory. If you do not have these files, do
not despair: many freeware programs which use the shape extension can also be
compiled without it by removing the -DSHAPE define from the Makefile; you can
probably do this and compile successfully against your older vendor-supplied X
libraries.
[from John B. Melby, melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@uunet.uu.net, 3/91]
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Subject: 110) What are these problems with "_XtInherit not found" on the Sun?
When I run a X program that I wrote on a SunOS 4.0.3 or 4.1 machine I get the
error "ld.so: symbol not found _XtInherit".
What you are seeing is a side-effect of a kludge in the R4 libXt.a to
get Sun shared libraries working. Apparently, you can't share a function that
is both called and compared, as _XtInherit is. This was handled by putting
_XtInherit in the same file as a function that is always used, thereby
guaranteeing that it would be loaded -- that is, in Initialize.c, where
XtToolkitInitialize() and XtInitialize() reside. These routines would normally
be called.
You are probably seeing this error because your program is not a normal
Xt-based program and does not call XtToolkitInitialize() anywhere.
1) it may be a program that uses Xt functions but never opens a
connection to the X server. [OSF/Motif's 1.1.0 UIL had this problem; it called
XtMalloc() and other Xt functions.] The solution is to add the call to your
program; the function does not have to be executed, just linked in.
2) alternatively, your program doesn't need any Xt functions and is
correct in not calling XtToolkitInitialize() -- it may be an Xlib or XView
program. In this case, you can remove -lXt from your link command.
It should not be necessary to link the shared libraries statically,
although this will certainly solve the problem.
[from Jordan Hayes (now jordan@MooreNet.COM) and Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be);
11/90]
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Subject: 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X?
I have a program that worked well under X11R3. When I try to link it under
the current version of X, I get this message:
Undefined:
_XtScrollBarSetThumb
_XtTextSetInsertionPoint
_XtTextReplace
There were several name changes in the Athena widget set (in addition
to the header files moving into <X11/Xaw/>); these are mentioned in the R4
release notes. In this case, these functions are not really Xt functions but
are part of the Xaw text widget and so have been renamed from Xt* to Xaw*.
[10/90]
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Subject: 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES
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Subject: 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)?
The window manager controls how the input focus is transferred from one
window to another. In order to get keystrokes, your program must ask the
window manager for the input focus. To do this, you must set up what are
called "hints" for the window manager. If your applications is Xlib-based, you
can use something like the following:
XWMHints wmhints;
...
wmhints.flags = InputHint;
wmhints.input = True;
XSetWMHints(dpy, window, &wmhints)
If your application is based on the Xt Intrinsics, you can set the XtNinput
resource to be True (as you probably want to in any case); if you don't have
source, you can start up the application with the resource '*input:True'.
Certain window managers, notably dxwm and olwm, are very picky about having
this done.
If you are using Sun's OpenWindows olwm, you can also add this resource
to your defaults file to use clients that aren't ICCCM-compliant.
OpenWindows.FocusLenience: true
[mostly courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun]
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Subject: 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running?
You can't reliably tell; whatever mechanism you could use could be
spoofed in any case.
For most cases, you shouldn't care which window manager is running, so
long as you do things in an ICCCM-conformant manner. There are some cases in
which particular window managers are known to do things wrong; checking for
particular hints placed on the window by the window manager so that you can
sidestep the problem may be appropriate in these cases. Alternatively, it may
be appropriate to determine which window manager is running in order to take
advantage of specific *added* features (such as olwm's push-pin menus) in order
to give your program *added* functionality. Beware of usurping the window
manager's functions by providing that functionality even when it is missing;
this surely leads to future compatibility problems.
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Subject: 115) Is there a skeleton X program available?
There is no general framework such as the TransSkel program for the
Macintosh which handles lots of the odds and ends and overhead of development
under a window system and which can be used as a platform for additional
development. In X, the problem is typically solved by using an interactive
application builder tool or by using cut&paste on existing X applications. Good
applications which you might look to manipulate when you want to "test just
this one little thing" include contrib/clients/xskel, a simple R4 program that
puts up a window and allows sketching in it and offers a starting point for
quick hacks, the Xaw examples in the examples/ directory in the R3 and R4
distributions, and the Xlib "Hello World" example in the R3 doc/HelloWorld and
R4 doc/tutorials/HelloWorld; an updated version of this program which uses R4
Xlib calls and current ICCCM conventions was posted in 2/90 to comp.windows.x
by Glenn Widener of Tektronix. [3/90]
In addition, a sample Xt program (for Xaw or Xm) by Rainer Klute
showing how to open multiple displays and how to catch a broken display
connection is available on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/mdisp.tar.Z. [4/92]
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Subject: 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)?
The XtGetValues interface for retrieving resources from a widget is
sensitive to the type of variable. Your code may be doing something like this:
{
Arg args[3];
int i;
int sensitive; /* oops; wrong data type */
i=0;
XtSetArg (args[i], XtNsensitive, &sensitive); i++;
XtGetValues(widget, args, i );
...
}
But XtNsensitive is a Boolean, which on most machines is a single byte;
declaring the variable "sensitive" as Boolean works properly. This problem
comes up often when using particular toolkits that redefine the Xt types
Dimension and Position; code that assumes they are int will have similar
problems if those types are actually short. In general: you are safe if you
use the actual type of the resource, as it appears in the widget's man page.
[11/90]
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Subject: 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work?
You're probably trying to use these functions from application code.
They should be used only internally to widgets; these functions are for a
parent widget to change the geometry of its children. Other promising
functions, XtMakeGeometryRequest() and XtMakeResizeRequest(), are also for use
only by widgets, in this case by a child to request a change from its parent.
The only way for your application to request a geometry change for a
widget is to issue an XtSetValues call setting some of the geometry resources.
Although this will result in the widget-internal functions' being called, your
application code must use the standard XtSetValues interface or risk the
widgets' data becoming corrupted.
[The Xlib calls XMoveWindow() and XResizeWindow() should similarly be
avoided; they shouldn't be used to change XtNx, XtNy, XtNwidth, or XtNheight.]
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Subject: 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow?
Although there are various details of the current implementation of
the Xt internals which make reparenting difficult, the major reason that no
such call exists is that it remains undefined what the set of resources for
the "new" widget should be. Resources are typically set based on the location
in the instance hierarchy; what resources should change if the instance moves?
What should happen to the widget's children? And by the time such semantics are
defined, there would probably be little advantage over destroying the old
widget and creating a new widget in the correct location with the desired
resources, as setting the resources correctly is the majority of work in
creating a new widget.
Note that reparenting is possible in the OI toolkit.
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David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net
"Just the FAQs, ma'am." -- Joe Friday
--
David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.
day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net
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7973 | From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Subject: Re: Printing ASCII 128 and above
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout
Lines: 19
In article <C5G1CE.8Is@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> achar@ecn.purdue.edu (Lakshminarayana Achar) writes:
<Could some tell me how to print characters over ASCII 127 on a laser
<printer? After being thrilled on being able to create them on my
<screen, my enthusiasm has somewhat died down due to this setback.
Well, more information is required...
1) What computer are you using?
2) What operating system are you using?
3) What kind of printer are you using?
a) PostScript?
b) HP-PCL?
etc.
--
harvard\
ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!ftms!brown or uu2.psi.com!ftms!brown
rutgers/
INTERNET: brown@wi.extrel.com or ftms!brown%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu
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7974 | From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!)
Subject: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Lines: 8
Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago
White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season.
So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3
when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again
(have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can
play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V.
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7975 | From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)
Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt
Article-I.D.: netnews.120664
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 32
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
In article <C5J59C.GED@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) writes:
>In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca
>>(Mathew Tasalloti) says:
>>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY
>>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup.
>>
>> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance
>>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO.
>
>Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They
>couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games!
Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at
the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the
Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most
likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor
shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit
the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of
it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would
help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some
light on the subject.
And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but
don't hesitate to send in picks!!!
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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7976 | From: alaramor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Laramore)
Subject: Re: race and violence
Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
Joe,
As usual, this issue of dysfunction, of bad values, of messed up culture
is easily embraced by non african americans when it comes to explaining
problems in our community. From your post, you apparently find the idea that
something is wrong with African Americans, value-wise, culture wise or
something, very appealing. I never cease to be amazed at how eager non african
americans are to embrace theories about our problems which basically assert
that something is wrong with us. The socio-economic factors which we know help
to produce high crime levels, like poverty, which exists among us in large
proportion, I mean when it comes to discussion of african american problems, we
somehow become exempt from all these types of factors, and the problem is
laid at the doorstep of some neboulous dysfunction we supposedly have. But
nobody attributes crime amongst white americans to dysfunction. No, that has
socioeconomic factors to it, but for africa americans, its gotta be a
dysfunction.
Basically, I think this tendency for non african americans to believe that
something is wrong with us exists because non african americans don't want to
deal with the possiblility that the society is deeply biased against african
americans, and that this is about 80% of the problem. It could not possible be
that the society is so deeply racist and structured against us, that this has
a very effective negative effect on us. No, something is wrong with us.
Non african americans are quick to disregard what we have to say, because they
are so busy trying to find something wrong with us, instead of taking a good
hard look at the thing we say are doing us damage. I would get angry if it
werent' so damn typical.
Peace - Aaron
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7977 | From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception
Organization: none
Lines: 21
maxwell c muir writes:
Just a quick question. If Mary was Immaculately concieved, so she
could be a pure vessel, does this mean that she was without sin
and, therefore, the perfect (meaning sinless) female human being?
Is this why she is held so highly in the Catholic Church despite
it's basically patriarchical structure?
She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin,
but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was
possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God.
She is regarded so highly because of her special relationship to God,
and everything that flows from that relationship.
The Catholic Church sees her as the new Eve. (The Fathers in the
early Church use this particular figure a lot.)
Eve is the mother of all the living in a genetic sense. Mary is the
mother of all the living in the order of grace. As sin came through
Eve, so Grace -- Jesus Christ -- came through Mary.
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7978 | From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Subject: Daily Verse
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
Lines: 4
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of
sins.
IPeter 4:8
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7979 | From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 22
In article <1483500353@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
>
>
>Dear Josh
>
>I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions.
>
>Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers.
>
>1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards
>identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S.
>citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are
>just trying to mislead the reader ?
I think he is trying to mislead people. In cases where race
information is sought, it is completely voluntary (the census
possibly excepted).
-anwar
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7980 | Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Lines: 11
The real question here in my opinion is what Motorola processors running system
7 on a MAC are comparable to what Intel processors running Windows on a PC? I
recall there being a conversation here that a 486/25 running Windows benchmarks
at about the same speed as 25Mhz 030 in system 7. I don't know if that is
true, but I would love to hear if anyone has any technical data on this.
-David
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
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7981 | From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister)
Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Lines: 13
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In article <pebi.735242681@zephyr.aem.umn.edu>, pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes:
> Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$.
> I think that was the cheapest I ever saw.
As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card
(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU).
Regular price is $199.
No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is
interested (I found their ad in MacUser).
-Jim Burmeister (no relation to Mac's Place except as a satisfied customer!)
jimb@csd.harris.com
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7982 | From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 53
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:
>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>>
>>>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>>>larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family
>>>>sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the
>>>>*brakes.*
>>>
>>> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the
>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
>>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
>>>drums rear.
>>
>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.
>>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..
>>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still
>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....
>>
>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard"
>>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like
>>11" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have
>>braking regulations).
>
>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable
>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point
>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for
>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,
>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with
>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet
>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating).
>
>Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not?
>
> James
james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!
never was a t'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO's and
'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t'birds. I
only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded
a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not
in any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it
a bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra
bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large
enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)
and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.
c ya
DREW
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7983 | From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***)
Subject: Re: Playoff predictions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 38
Everybody. Please send me your predictions for the Stanley Cup Playoffs!
I want to see who people think will win.!!!!!!!
Please Send them in this format, or something comparable:
1. Winner of Buffalo-Boston
2. Winner of Montreal-Quebec
3. Winner of Pittsburgh-New York
4. Winner of New Jersey-Washington
5. Winner of Chicago-(Minnesota/St.Louis)
6. Winner of Toronto-Detroit
7. Winner of Vancouver-Winnipeg
8. Winner of Calgary-Los Angeles
9. Winner of Adams Division (1-2 above)
10. Winner of Patrick Division (3-4 above)
11. Winner of Norris Division (5-6 above)
12. Winner of Smythe Division (7-8 above)
13. Winner of Wales Conference (9-10 above)
14. Winner of Campbell Conference (11-12 above)
15. Winner of Stanley Cup (13-14 above)
I will summarize the predictions, and see who is the biggest
INTERNET GURU PREDICTING GUY/GAL.
Send entries to Richard Madison
rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca
PS: I will send my entries to one of you folks so you know when I say
I won, that I won!!!!!
:)
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7984 | From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: Final season CHL stuff
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Distribution: na
Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Lines: 218
Here are the final stats for the CHL for the 1992-1993 season.
Central Hockey League
5840 S. Memorial Drive
Suite 205
Tulsa, OK 74145
Phone: (918) 664-8881
Fax: (918) 664-2215
Founder and President - Ray Miron
Commissioner - Monte Miron
Marketing Director - Jim Goodman
Information Director - Eric Kolb
Each team is owned by the league, with local intrests controlling day to
day operations. Working agreements and NHL affiliations are up to each
team.
Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players
(16 dress up).
Each team is limited to 11 visas, meaning at least 6 players must be
Americans (Ignore this rule if you are Tulsa, they only had 2 Americans
on the roster during the playoffs).
Teams play in Wichita, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Fort Worth, and Dallas.
Future expansion plans include Houston, San Antonio, Baton Rouge, Little Rock,
El Paso, Albuquerque, Tuscon, and Amarillo. Austin is a possibility if Dallas
has to move. Houston and San Antonio are in for this fall, with Baton Rouge
and Little Rock likely for 94-95.
TEAMS:
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Fort Worth Fire | Wichita Thunder
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Arena: Tarrant Co. Conv. Cen. (11,342) | Kansas Coliseum (9,686)
Colors: Red and Black | Blue , silver, and black
GM: George Branum | Bill Shuck
Coach: Pete Mahavolich | Doug Sheddan
Phone #: (817) 335-FIRE | (316) 264-4625
Season Tix: $300 / $240 | $250 / $170
Single Tix: $12 / $10 | $9 / $6
Radio: |
Announcers: |
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Dallas Freeze | Tulsa Oilers
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Arena: Fair Park Coliseum (7,500) | Civic Center (6,847)
Colors: Teal and Black | Orange and Blue
GM: Tom Koch | Jeff D. Lund
Coach: Ron Flockhart | Gary Unger Personal Guardians
Phone #: (214) 421-PUCK | (918) 663-5888 ------------------
Season Tix: $300 / $240 | Ray and Monte
Single Tix: $12 / $10 / $7 | $9 / $6 Miron
Radio: KSKY-AM 660 | KTRT-AM 1270
Announcers-Bruce LeVine | Jeff Brucculeri
Mark Stone | Jeff Bowen
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Memphis River Kings | Oklahoma City Blazers
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Arena: Mid-South Coliseum (9,384) | Myriad (13,399) & State Fair Arena
Colors: Gold and Black | Red, Yellow, and Black (9,760)
GM: Jim Riggs | Brad Lund
Coach: Steve Carlson | Mike McEwen
Phone #: (901) 278-9009 | (405) 235-PUCK
Season Tix: | $250 / $170
Single Tix: $9 / $6 | $9 / $6
Radio: KREC-AM 600 | WWLS-AM 640
Announcers-Dave Woloshin | John Brooks
Tom Stocker | Brian Barnhart
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92-93 regular season standings
W L OTL PTS GF GA PIM AVG ATTDNCE (% cap)
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Oklahoma City Blazers.... 39 18 3 81 291 232 1561 7,827 64.2 %
Tulsa Ice Oilers......... 35 22 3 73 270 230 1430 5,547 81.0 %
Dallas Freeze............ 31 25 4 66 276 242 1604 4,427 59.0 %
Memphis RiverKings....... 26 27 7 59 253 272 1670 5,590 59.6 %
Fort Worth Fire.......... 24 29 7 55 252 288 1747 4,920 43.7 %
Wichita Thunder.......... 25 33 2 52 242 320 1876 4,474 46.2 %
Playoffs: Tulsa defeated Dallas, 4 games to 3 (WLLWWLW)
Oklahoma City defeated Memphis, 4 games to 2 (WWLLWW)
Levin Trophy Finals: Tulsa defeated Oklahoma City, 4 games to 1 (WWLWW)
Playoff MVP: Tony Fiore, Tulsa (special votes to Ray and Monte Miron)
Team vs. Team: 92-93
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Dallas Fort Worth Memphis Oklahoma City Tulsa Wichita
Dallas.......... ----- 9-2-1 5-5-2 5-6-1 5-7-0 7-5-0
Fort Worth...... 3-7-2 ----- 4-6-2 4-8-0 8-3-1 5-5-2
Memphis......... 7-4-1 8-3-1 ----- 2-8-2 2-8-2 7-4-1
Oklahoma City... 7-4-1 8-3-1 10-2-0 ----- 6-6-0 8-3-1
Tulsa........... 7-5-0 4-7-1 10-2-0 6-6-0 ----- 8-2-2
Wichita......... 5-7-0 7-3-2 5-7-0 4-8-0 4-8-0 -----
Power Play Statistics Penalty Killng Statistics
PPG Opp ShGA Pct. PPG Saves Opp ShG Pct.
Okla. City 70 275 2 25.45 Okla. City 58 241 299 16 80.60
Tulsa 72 291 12 24.74 Dallas 68 278 346 14 80.34
Dallas 64 286 10 22.37 Tulsa 77 276 353 16 78.18
Fort Worth 85 387 16 21.96 Wichita 75 235 310 5 75.806
Wichita 81 396 24 20.45 Memphis 83 260 343 12 75.801
Memphis 65 329 12 19.75 Fort Worth 76 237 313 13 75.71
Penalty Record
10-Min Game Gross Oppn
PIM Avg. Minor Major Bench Misc Misc Misc Match PIM
Wichita 1876 31.3 433 84 20 22 24 0 3 1998
Fort Worth 1747 29.1 471 59 29 26 23 2 0 1911
Memphis 1670 27.8 480 56 28 28 13 1 1 1593
Dallas 1604 26.7 477 60 2 20 15 0 0 1534
Okla. City 1561 26.0 438 67 14 14 21 0 0 1609
Tulsa 1430 23.8 505 26 6 21 8 0 0 1243
Scoring By Period
1st Period 2nd Period 3rd Period Overtime Shootout Totals
GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA
Dallas 76 82 106 82 90 74 0 1 4 3 276 242
Fort Worth 70 81 92 112 84 88 3 5 3 2 252 288
Memphis 66 88 101 89 82 88 2 3 2 4 253 272
Okla.City 98 87 82 71 108 71 1 1 2 2 291 232
Tulsa 99 58 92 83 76 86 3 1 0 2 270 230
Wichita 79 92 73 109 84 117 2 0 4 2 242 320
92-93 All-Star Team
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Position First Team Second Team
-------- ---------- -----------
Goaltender... Tony Martino, Tulsa Robert Desjardins, Wichita (tie)
Alan Perry, Oklahoma City (tie)
Defensemen... Dave Doucette, Dallas Mike Berger, Dallas
Guy Girouard, Oklahoma City Tom Karalis, Tulsa
Center....... Carl Boudreau, Oklahoma City Joe Burton, Oklahoma City
Left Wing.... Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Doug Lawrence, Tulsa
Right Wing... Daniel Larin, Oklahoma City Tom Mutch, Memphis (tie
Sylvain Naud, Tulsa (tie)
Regular Season MVP: Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City
Rookie of the Year: Bobby Desjardins, Wichita
Leading Defenseman: Dave Doucette, Dallas
Leading Goaltender: Tony Martino, Tulsa
Scoring Leaders:
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POINTS Team GP G A PTS GOALS Team GP G
Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 48 53 101 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 53 48
Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 22 73 95 Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43
Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39 48 87 Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43
Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43 38 81 Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40
Hall, Taylor TUL 58 35 45 80 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39
Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40 35 75 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38
Anchikoski, Wayne DAL 57 35 37 72
Boudreau, Carl OKC 48 27 44 71 ASSISTS Team GP A
Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43 27 70 Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 73
Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38 32 70 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 53
Dent, Ted WCH 60 25 44 69 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 48
Sanderson, Mike FTW 60 37 31 68 Doucette, Dave DAL 50 46
Gatti, Dave WCH 58 35 32 67 Hall, Taylor TUL 58 45
Nobili, Mario TUL 54 31 34 65 Girouard, Guy OKC 60 45
Cyr, Keith WCH 58 21 44 65
D'Amario, Peter MEM 60 28 35 63 PENALTY MINUTES Team GP PIM
Johnston, Scot MEM 51 23 40 63 Aubrey, Ron FTW 28 237
Burton, Joe OKC 55 35 26 61 Karalis, Tom TUL 56 235
Simoni, Steve OKC 56 33 28 61 Johnson, Craig OKC 50 219
Hornak, Ernest FTW 52 22 37 59 Neish, Greg WCH 34 212
Fiore, Tony TUL 37 23 35 58 Batten, John MEM 29 210
Doucette, Dave DAL 50 10 46 56 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 210
LEADING GOALTENDERS (20 or more games)
TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct.
Martino, Tony TUL 39 2182 3.66 23-13-2 0 2 133 1186 .899
Perry, Alan OKC 40 2406 3.72 25-13-2 3 0 149 1304 .897
Zanier, Mike DAL 40 2384 3.78 24-14-2 3 1 150 1223 .891
Mindjimba, Antoine MEM 56 3097 4.15 26-21-6 4 1 214 1603 .882
Smith, Greg DAL 21 1243 4.15 7-11-2 0 0 86 753 .897
Desjardins, Bobby WCH 52 2849 4.63 21-26-2 6 1 220 1877 .895
Belley, Roch FTW 33 1728 4.75 14-13-2 3 0 141 974 .874
Other Goalies
TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct.
Flatt, Brian TUL 11 488 3.44 4-3-1 1 1 28 274 .907
Krake, Paul OKC 17 1029 3.50 13-3-1 0 0 60 583 .907
Loewen, Jamie TUL 13 681 3.79 6-5-0 1 0 43 399 .903
Ocello, Matt FTW 4 179 3.69 3-1-0 1 0 11 100 .901
Ocello, Matt TUL 1 34 5.29 0-0-0 0 0 3 13 .813
(Totals) 5 213 3.94 3-1-0 1 0 14 113 .890
Raymond, Eric TUL 3 181 3.98 2-1-0 0 0 12 87 .879
O'Hara, Michael FTW 18 911 4.28 6-6-2 0 0 65 559 .896
Vasko, Steve MEM 15 535 5.16 0-6-1 4 0 46 235 .836
Trentadue, Rocco FTW 17 746 4.99 1-9-3 3 0 62 365 .855
Trentadue, Rocco OKC 2 120 6.50 0-2-0 0 0 13 93 .877
(Totals) 19 866 5.20 1-11-3 3 0 75 458 .859
Harvey, Alain WCH 5 240 5.50 2-2-0 2 0 22 126 .851
Gosselin, Yannick WCH 10 345 6.43 2-3-0 0 0 37 227 .860
Gosselin, Yannick OKC 1 60 5.00 1-0-0 0 0 5 26 .839
(Totals) 11 405 6.22 3-3-0 0 0 42 253 .896
Caton, Murray WCH 2 120 9.00 0-2-0 0 0 18 84 .824
McDonnell, Dan TUL 1 34 8.83 0-0-0 0 0 5 24 .828
Sauer, E.J. TUL 1 12 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 2 4 .667
Clark, Joel WCH 2 48 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 8 29 .784
Wachter, Steve WCH 2 24 12.50 0-0-0 0 0 5 6 .545
Marc Dee Foster, r.s.h contact for the CHL
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7985 | From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Organization: University of Rochester
In article <C5Kv7p.JM3@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the
>impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps
>even the "correct") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around
>having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and
>petty hatreds.
Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial
thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use
unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists
whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit
out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers.
(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA
electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that
he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic
genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out
binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence
that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for
Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in
so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into
the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were
much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was
recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created.
Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me,
Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.)
>It further at least implicitly advances the position that
>sciences goes "forward" (and it is not clear what this means given the
>context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational
>and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then
>weeded out via the "critical function" of science.
I'm not sure that it's random. But there is no known rational mechanism
for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses. If you are really
working in an unknown area, it is unlikely that you will have much sense
of what might or might not be true; under those circumstances, the best
thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have. If they are wrong,
you will find out soon enough; but at least, you will find out _something_.
If you try to do experiments at random, with no prior conceptions at all
in mind, you will probably get nowhere.
>(Though why this critical
>function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery.
Unfortunately, the critical function does sometimes become hostage to
non-rational forces. Then we get varieties of pathological science:
Lysenko, Mirsky's opposition to DNA-as-gene, cold fusion, and so forth.
>If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are
>subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true
>of the application of any "critical function" concerning replication.
>This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an "anything goes" view.)
I don't agree that this follows. In fact, this is _exactly_ the point at
which I disagree with Feyerabend. It is a most important part of the
culture of science that one keeps one's jealousies out of the refereeing
process. Failures there are aplenty, but, on the whole, things work out.
Another point: there are a couple of senses of the phrase ``experimental
design''. I'd say that the less rational part is in experimental _choice_,
not design. Alexander Fleming (Proc. Royal Soc., 1922) chose to look for
bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons (Phage had previously
been found in locust diarrhea; Fleming probably thought runny bottom, runny
nose, what the hell, it's worth a try.) but his method of looking for phage
was well-designed to detect anything phage-like; in fact, he found lysozyme.
>True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational. But typically it is
>*not*. Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have
>resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply
>do not generalize well to the actual history of science.
It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps
you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out
for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first
advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from
modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole.
--
Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester
Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu
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7986 | From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
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In-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 18:43:14 GMT
In article <Pegasus-200493113800@fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu>
Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) writes:
> In article <JOSHUA.93Apr19183833@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>,
> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote:
> > In article <Pegasus-150493132018@fp1-dialin-4.uoregon.edu>
> > Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes:
> LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians
> brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On
> the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena
> to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can
> easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions.
> josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument?
> Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the
> last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their
> views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly
> implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other
> Major cults of the time.
I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like
this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details.
have a day,
josh
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7987 | From: dallas@ravel.udel.edu (Paul Lewis Fincke)
Subject: SCSI help
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: us
Lines: 24
Howdy,
Sorry if this has been covered before:
One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his
NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16). Of course, I said "No problem" and went to work.
Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during
installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using
the old DOS. After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit
Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive. I then booted
with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if
I could access the drive. Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition
was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a
32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...). I then tried
to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do. I am
unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I
kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS
installations). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for
"Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC")...
Thanks in advance,
Paul "Mr. SCSI... NOT!" Fincke
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7988 | From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Lines: 19
> From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)
>
> >RM:Just a short thought:
> >When you ask the question of the "authorities" or sponsors of buyback
> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer
> >"no, it's total amnesty".
> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy
> back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty" can
> you get if you leave paper trail behind?
In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver
Nuggets basketball game.
How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years)
Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen?
Ron
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7989 | From: texx@ossi.com (Robert "Texx" Woodworth)
Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Lines: 54
NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com
#1
Clayton, my man...
You are a tad out of touch....
First, gay comunities all over the country are in the process of excluding NAMBLA
from parades etc.
#2
Nobody from NAMBLA is gonna get a job in a day care centre. The same liberals you are
upset about are also passing laws that make tough background checks for childcare
people.
#3
Tell me, how would you feel if your employer fired you for your antigay post on the
internet? Would you be upset ? I`ll bet you would be pissed!
To some, your posts ,ight make the company look bad.
While your posts offend me I dont think it would be right for you to get fired over
it.
I dont believe the gay comunity is asking for hiring quotas like the affirmative
action laws of the 60's did.
My understanding is that the gay community just wants the same rights the srtraights
have. I dont think people should have their leases cancelled when their landlord
finds out they are gay. I dont think that when someone sees someone walk out of
a gay business and then blabs it all over work that the gay person gets fired.
Do you REALLY think these are justified ?
#4
Clayton, I am told you are a parent a couple times over.
Have you been following the strip in the paper "For Better or For Worse" ?
I honestly want your opinion as a parent on the strip.
Do you really care about your childeren
as much as friends of mine tell me ? How much do you care about your childeren ?
How much do you care about other people's childeren? Do you care about MY childeren?
Do you care about my sister's childeren ?
If one of your kids told you he/she was gay, would you throw them out of your home
in the middle of the night?
Would you approve of your childeren driving down to San Francisco to trow bottles
at and beat up on gay people? Would you condone your childeren beating up on someone
elses childeren ?
I await your answers to these queastions. PLease no flaming...
This is to be a civilised discussion, from one father to another.
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7990 | From: murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu ( murli ramakrishnan ISE )
Subject: Zeos daughterboard of Upgradeable 386/25 for sale/trade
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Lines: 15
Hi folks,
I have a 386/25 daughter board for Zeos, which I want to upgrade to
486/25 or 33.
So send me mail with you offer if you are
1. Selling 486/25 or 486/33 (zeos daughterboard)
2. Willing to buy my 386/25 (zeos daughterboard)
Thanks..
Murli
--
________________________________________________________________
Murli Ram murli@cubix.ent.ohiou.edu(NeXT Mail)
Ohio University murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
Athens__________________________________________________________
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7991 | From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20
Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL
Lines: 111
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com
NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993
Not because you were too busy but because
Israelists in the US media spiked it.
................
THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS
Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip
during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the
Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday.
The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of
the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for
Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and
occupied West Bank.
Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked
soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled,
the soldiers threw empty bottles at them.
On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their
pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents
are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school.
The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth
escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur
Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them
against a wall, and put their arms around them.
When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat
him with the butts of their rifles.
On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising
Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the
soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the
beating.
On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded
him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As
the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued
dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening.
The army said it was checking the reports.
....................
ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM
Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday
to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper.
Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in
prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after
soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter.
``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy
Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father
George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish.
Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of
Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank
and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre.
Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation
of requesting permits to reach holy sites.
Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement
to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian
celebrations.
``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption.
But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said.
An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his
identity card before ordering the crowd to leave.
...................
If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and
let him know what you think.
75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe)
clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online)
clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail)
Tell 'em ARF sent ya.
..................................
If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy from what is
effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the
Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American
Education Trust at:
(800) 368 5788
Tell 'em arf sent you.
js
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7992 | From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret
Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7
In-Reply-To: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:41:35 GMT
<1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> <C5pstr.Lu2@panix.com>
<1993Apr20.014135.24134@fsl.noaa.gov>
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In article <1993Apr20.014135.24134@fsl.noaa.gov> bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) writes:
In article <C5pstr.Lu2@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
> The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar
>government equivalent to military) has been let for this "proprietary"
>design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that
>patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified.
Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast
as a "classified patent." Patents exist to encourage communications and
develop the state of the art.
While there aren't classified patents, there are "patent secrecy orders".
Suppose you invent a voice scrambler for CB radio, and apply for a patent.
The Patent Office decides the NSA might be interested, gives them a copy
of your application, and you get a nice note back saying your patent
application has now been classified for national security reasons and
you're no longer allowed to make and sell it.
I'm picking this example because it happened in the late 1970s.
It was probably some analog scrambler, and would have probably
violated FCC rules anyway, but it did get classified.
Or suppose you publish a paper on your Really Spiffy Algorithm and
then file a patent application. Since it's been published,
they can't gain anything by classifying it, though you can't get
patents in most countries other than the US, where patent laws are different.
Obviously a system of classified patents would be highly bogus
"You can't sell that widget, because there's a classified patent on it.
You're not allowed to see the patent, or know who owns the design,
so just give us all your money and work in progress and maybe we won't throw
you in jail for espionage." Some countries might have that kind of
system :-(, but we don't have that here. Quite. Yet.
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
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7993 | From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Storing a car long term
Keywords: tires cars storage
Article-I.D.: hico2.C50Myy.4Ew
Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
Lines: 16
I bought a car with a defunct engine, to use for parts
for my old but still running version of the same car.
The car I bought has good tires.
Is there anything in particular that I should do to
store the defunct car long-term? I'd hate to have
parts of it go bad. Someone has told me it's bad
for the tires to not move the car once-in-a-while.
Is this true? Do I need some props to take the
weight of the tires?
Best to reply by mail, I am getting spotty news delivery.
Kris A. Kugel 908-842-2707
hico2!kak kak@hico2.westmark.com
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7994 | From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Identify this bike for me
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Lines: 24
OK,
I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is. Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650. Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach. Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk. They looked much more like
900RR gauges. Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)
So, what did I see?
(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)
________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817
'88CBR1000 '89CBR600
coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________
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7995 | From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Schedule...
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: teal
In article <1993Apr20.052907.1625@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good.
But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only
reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts.
And local baseball pre-empted the NHL playoffs. Thus far into this
playoff season, ESPN/ABC has given me more hockey in 2 days (1 game)
than SportsChannel did (0 games).
If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet the
ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. Next week, there
will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey.
Someone in this thread said that he wouldn't watch the games even if
they were on TV, and this is a r.s.h. regular contributor!
Xenophobes north of border needn't fear the US-Americanization of "our"
game, because US-Americans will never figure out how to market hockey
here. Support your team; support your game.
--
Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but
their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their
players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his
wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in
rec.sport.hockey
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7996 | From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: test....(sorry)
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
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7997 | From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500343:000:3194
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993
Lines: 66
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods.
/* Written 4:38 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */
/* ---------- "From Israeli press: Nazi methods." ---------- */
FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS
Newspaper: Ha'aretz Date: 14 February1993 Author: Gideon Levi
Subject: NAZI methods in Gaza
Title: In the neighborhood of Hope, among the rubble
(Excerpts)
Mahmoud Jowara'r stared at me long and sadly: "I worked my entire
life in order to built that house and this is what is left". Only
TV could transmit the full sadness of his face. "You say that we
teach our children to hate you, but what do you expect to happen
to a child who sees this ?" And once again he wraps himself in a
lengthy silence, his face crumbling into weeping. Mahmoud stood in
the field of rubble that was once his home. The term
'dispossession' has an absolute meaning here. Nothing is left of
what he accumulated during his entire life, only the rubble of a
house and shreds of belongings.
Once again Khan Yunis. Once again demolished homes. Last Thursday
there was a search for wanted people here. Once again the IDF
forces employed the new method, fired and bombed and shot missiles
and placed explosives. Already three times during the past weeks I
have gone out to see the destruction and each time I was more
horrifying scenes. This time they hit the largest number of
houses, 17 according to the IDF estimate, ten of them completely
demolished. But not only that: the method has also become more
brutal. Three weeks ago, in Tufah neighborhood in Gaza, the
residents were still told to remove their valuables from their
homes. This time the army skipped that part; three weeks ago the
handcuffed men, inhabitants of the demolished homes, were supplied
with some water and one apple during the 12 hours they had to
stand. This time there was only water. Three weeks ago they were
even allowed to go out to the toilet. This time the soldier just
gold them: Piss and shit in your pants. And thus, last Thursday,
some 45 men stood for about 12 hours, their hands bound behind
their backs, their eyes blindfolded, without food, with wet pants
on their legs and a terrible feeling of humiliation in their
hearts, listening to the sounds of the explosions destroying their
homes, one after the other.
(...)
Dr. Juma'a Fuad Said al-Rubi. the brother from Saudi Arabia,
emerges from among the ruins. Ten days ago he arrived for a family
visit, mainly in order to celebrate the housewarming with his
father and brothers. On Thursday he was handcuffed like everyone
else for 12 hours, and later went with everyone to view the
destrucion. He tried to explain that he was a visitor and that he
is a physician, but only got a shove. Like all the rest he also
urinated in his pants, while standing with his hands bound and his
eyes blindfolded for the entire day. Juma'a al-Rubi studied
medicine at Cairo University, and for ten years he has been
treating wealthy Saudis in Medina. His wife and four children
remained there. Now his documents have been lost and he does not
know how he will return to them. "There is no humanity", stated
the physician from Saudi Arabia.
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7998 | From: Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Bible Quiz
Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma.
Lines: 20
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In article <1993Apr16.130430.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
>In article <kmr4.1563.734805744@po.CWRU.edu>, kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
>>
> Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> of inbreeding to which you are his only son.
a) I think that he has a rather witty .sig file. It sums up a great
deal of atheistic thought (IMO) in one simple sentence.
b) Atheism isn't an "other religion".
sm
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com () "If a man empties his purse into his
My opinions <> Stratus' opinions () head, no one can take it from him
------------------------------ () ---------------Benjamin Franklin
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7999 | From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Lines: 71
In article 1373@geneva.rutgers.edu, parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) writes:
>Another issue of importance. Was the crucification the will of God or
>a tragic mistake. I believe it was a tragic mistake. God's will can
>never be accomplished through the disbelief of man.
I finished reading a very good book, "The Will of God", Weatherhead.
This was very helpful to me in applying thought to the subject of the
will of God.
Weatherhead broke the will of God into three distinct parts;
intentional will, circumstancial will, and ultimate will. He
(Weatherhead) also refuted the last statement (above) by Michael
Parkin above quite nicely.
Summarizing; _despite_ the failures of humankind, God's ultimate will
is never to be defeated. God's intentions may be interfered with,
even temporarily defeated by the will of humankind, brought down by
circumstance. His ultimate will (the reconcilication of all
humankind) will never be stopped.
Time after time, Weatherhead used the Cross as the best description of
this process at work. His points, paraphrased, were 1) God's
intentional will was for Jesus, the Christ, to live out a full life
and perform the work of the Living God. 2) The failures, sins, and
deviousness of humankind frustrated God's intent for His Son. 3)
Despite the circumstance, God's ultimate will was revealed in the
Cross, as Jesus willingly ("not my will, Lord, but yours") died for
the redemption of all humankind. The Cross was utterly triumphant,
overcoming even the most cruel of circumstances.
>this world to build the kingdom of heaven on the earth. He
>desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If
>the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this
>cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and
>women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes.
>Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification
>was NOT the will of GOD.
It was not the intentional will of God. It was the circumstancial
will, thus enabling the victory of the ultimate will.
> God's will was that the Jewish people accept
>Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on
>the earth with Jesus as it's head.
Right, intentional will.
(Just like the Jewish people
>expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what
>kind of world we would live in today. It would be a very different
>world. And that is eactly what GOD wanted. Men and women of that age
>could have been saved by following the living Messiah while he was on
>the earth. Jesus could have established a sinless lineage that would
>have continued his reign after his ascension to the spiritual world to
>live with GOD. Now the kingdom of heaven on the earth will have to
>wait for Christ's return. But when he returns will he be recognized
>and will he find faith on this earth. Isn't it about time for his
>return. It's been almost 2000 years.
We know neither the time nor the place. He will return as a thief in the night.
Peace.
Rob
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