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From: gardinal@alishaw (Paolo Gardinali) Subject: Re: New <bullshit> Study Out On Gay Percentage Lines: 48 In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: > Male sex survey: Gay activity low > A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough > examination of American men's sexual practices published since > the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 > percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and > 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. etc. etc..... >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. ^^^^^^ ***Sure!!! And what's .3 of a woman??? Any hypothesis?? How can you trust a report from people that have *no idea* of what a MEDIAN is? The same bullshit article reported that 22,5% of all the men have sex 10 times or more a week (Elf, how many times did you fill one of those questionnaires?) and had other statistics that took in no consideration different class backgrounds, marital status etc. No information on sampling were given. >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for Do you think you can compare so lightly secondary data from 2 very different (and discutible) surveys??? >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. It just shows how dramatically ignorant are press release writers and most pople that read them..... PAolo
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Subject: Re: Astronomy Program Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 In article <28641@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kevin marcus) writes: >Are there any public domain or shareware astronomy programs which will >map out the sky at any given time, and allow you to locate planets, nebulae, >and so forth? If so, is there any ftp site where I can get one? I posted my public-domain MSDOS program "sunlight.zip" to "sci.astro" yesterday. It easily locates the sun, moon, and planets, and can also be used to locate other objects if you input their Right Ascesion and Declination. Use "uudecode" to extract. -- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized! "Marxism and feminism are one and that one is Marxism" - Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, quoted by Catharine MacKinnon above the first chapter of her "Toward a Feminist Theory of the State"
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From: satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (Kirtikumar G. Satam) Subject: PC Scanners Organization: /usr/userc/rts/satam/.organization Lines: 30 Hello there, I am looking out for good scanners (gray-scale only, no color) which can be connected to IBM PC compatibles. Also, automatic tray feeding is a must. Can somebody point out good scanners? What are things that one should look for while purchasing a scanner? I do not want hand-held scanners. My preliminary requirements are 1. 75 to 300/400 dpi 2. dithering / half-toning (various patterns) 3. drivers for DOS and windows 4. Standard file formats (what are they?). 5. Automatic feed. 6. Anything more? Is there any comparative survery in Byte or PC Mag? Which issue? Please e-mail. I'll summerize. - satam. satam@saathi.ernet.in -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirtikumar G. Satam ===>> satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in Scientist, Network Division. National Center For Software Technology, Juhu, Bombay 400 049 Tel : +91 22 620 1606 Fax : +91 22 621 0139 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Response to Paul Schmidt Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 64 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >: >: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >: is insuring that the "limited government" they seek does not become the >: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >: >: Believe it or not, we "liberals" are frequently as opposed to >: anti-competitive measures as you "conservatives." We don't believe, >: however, that competition will necessarily be protected by the actions >: of business interests in a "free-market." After all, in the example >: you cite, it was not "liberals" that pressed for such regulations, but >: good staunch conservative businessmen. >: >: As Adam Smith so eloquently demonstrated, the "free-market" is not >: something that capitalists seek to protect when they can profit from >: its elimination. The same point was made by Marx -- a point of agreement >: between the two theorists that should tell us something. > >I do not want the government to become a tool of private interests. >Limited government cannot insure that private interests will not use >this government for their own agenda. Agreed. >But this is not a failure of libertarianism. It is the fact that >"Utopia is not an option." There is no single system where everything >is perfect. It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human condition. >So it is wise to look >for the best solution. If you compare countries to see which ones >people would rather live in, which ones have less starvation, hunger, >poverty, and misery, you will find that they have a more limitted >government than countries with alot of poverty, misery and suffering. >No, limitted government cannot "insure" anything, but it sure is better >than the alternative (big government.) This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds. In this case, "limited" and "big" government are not defined. I would point out that Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations with "limited" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western Europe (where "people would rather live") are often pointed out as nations with "big government" from a libertarian point of view. The argument is not between those who want "limited" government and those who want "unlimited" government. It is between those who believe government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. jsh >-- >Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM "One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
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From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Requests Lines: 53 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 53 In article <11857@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) >Subject: Re: Requests >Date: 19 Apr 93 18:25:08 GMT >In article <C5qLLG.4BC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes: >> (excess stuff deleted...) > However, it seems that a local church elder has been getting > revelations from god about a devastating quake scheduled to level > the area on May 3rd. He has independent corroboration from > several friends, who apparently have had similar revelations. The > 5.7 quake was, in fact, in response to a request from the lot of > them seeking a sign from god on the veracity of their visions. > > None of this would be terribly interesting, except for the amount > of stir it has created in the area. Many, many people are taking > these claims very seriously. There are some making plans to be > out of the are on the target date. My local religious radio > station devoted 4 hours of discussion on the topic. > > I even called up during one of the live broadcasts to tell the > host that he would have a full account of my conversion on May > 4th, provided my family and I survived the devastation and ruin > that will invariably follow the quake. > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM > >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know of a similar incident about 3 years ago. A climatologist( Ithink that was his profession) named Iben Browning predicted that an earthquake would hit the New Madrid fault on Dec.3. Some schools in Missouri that were on the fault line actually cancelled school for the day. Many people evacuated New Madrid and other towns in teh are. I wouldn't be suprised if there were more journalists in the area than residents. Of course, teh earthquake never occured. HOw do I know about his? I used to live in Southern Illinois and the lican middle school was built directly on the fault line. No we still had school... We laughed at the poor idiots who believed the prediction. :):):):) Bob, if you're wanting an excuse to convert to Christianity, you gonna have to look elsewhere. Tammy "No Trim" Healy
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From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 34 > What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error > or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is > heresy for the very reasons I gave above. I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although my preference would be to move the discussion to another newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical substance of man's being and nature. A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's "Fundamental's of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe" - Mizan Press, translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book (if you can find a decent translation) is "Wilaya - The Station of the Master" by the same author. I think it also goes under the title of "Master and Mastership" - It's a very small book - really just a transcription of a lecture by the author. The introduction to the beautiful "Psalms of Islam" - translated by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We have these books in our University library - I imagine any well stocked University library will have them. From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the charge of heresy is levelled. As salaam a-laikum
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From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) Subject: Re: Space on other nets Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 17 We run "SpaceNews & Views" on our STAREACH BBS, a local operation running WWIV software with the capability to link to over 1500 other BBS's in the U.S.A. and Canada through WWIVNet. Having just started this a couple of months ago, our sub us currently subscribed by only about ten other boards, but more are being added. We get our news articles re on Internet, via ftp from NASA sites, and from a variety of aerospace related periodicals. We get a fair amount of questions on space topics from students who access the system. ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not | Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! ------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics In-Reply-To: <timmbake.735175045@mcl> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 19 >DATE: 18 Apr 93 23:17:25 GMT >FROM: Bake Timmons <timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu> > > These Bible-lovers have got to chill out. If we all could just relax >and see atheism for what it is, the funny pages could have more material. > > Atheism denies the existence of God. This is logically bankrupt -- >where is the proof of this nonexistence? It's a joke. > > So nobody can take the above sense of atheism seriously. Perhaps Perhaps because you just made it up? Now put your skateboard away and read the FAQ. Learn something about atheism before you get off on these tangents.
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From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Latest on Texas HB 1776 (CCW) Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu I called the Texas bill tracking people (800/253-9693) again today regarding HB 1776 -- Concealed Carry. Well, it was supposed to come up for a vote this past Wednesday, but the bill got sent back to the Public Safety Committee. The PSC gave it a favorable rating AGAIN, and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by the Calendars Committee AGAIN. Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
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From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) Subject: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15 Hi everyone, I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. Which might be a better choice? Thanks for your opnion, Danny -- =============================================================================== = "Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = = Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = = | = = Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = = Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 =
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From: roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) Subject: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? Reply-To: roeber@cern.ch Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research Lines: 24 I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The hardware is "truecolor" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit static color visual. I would really like to have the server just present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be acceptable to "most" X clients. The three problems I see are: 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. I know there are no absolutes, but I'd appreciate hearing people's opinions and suggestions. Thanks! -- Frederick G. M. Roeber | CERN -- European Center for Nuclear Research e-mail: roeber@cern.ch or roeber@caltech.edu | work: +41 22 767 31 80 r-mail: CERN/PPE, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland | home: +33 50 20 82 99
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 21 > >Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, >then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect > (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine > wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday, >and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak >from expierence!) >I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you >comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a a couple of things: blowing a hose doesn't speak of engine reliability, and while it is true that quad4's have a problem with head gasket leaks, that was a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected. also i know pontiac is replacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year/60k miles. other than that i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition system means no wires/rotor/rotor-cap to ever deal with. also hydrolic lifters mean no valve adjustments ever. i'm not badmouthing the integra engine, i just think you are going overboard on slamming the quad4. you are quite correct that the integra engine is quieter, although i would not say smoother, my quad4 loves to rev, especially at the high-end. do you have any evidence of blocks cracking on quad4s? i have not heard of this.
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From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Golf shoes size 9 1/2 Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 15 Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc. $10.00 o.b.o. plus shipping. David-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Snyder Logicon Technical Services Inc. dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 513-255-5165 Dayton, Ohio USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those hours spent flying. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1946 Cessna 140 N76234 "The lady in waiting" Owner/Operator --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) Subject: Re: Trading in a car that's not paid for...Pointers Please Organization: TELXON Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 35 In article <49422@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes: > >I'm planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my '90 >Mazda MX-6 DX. I've still got 2 more years to pay on it. How does >that get taken into account when I purchase my new car? Does the >dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to >the purchase price of the new car? someone please explain this to >me. If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the current payoff cost. If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the size of the loan you will need for the new car. The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... > > -thanks > rhonda -- Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com P.O. Box 5582 | "Usenet is like Tetris for people who still Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read." (216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: > >I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? > I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of 'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't show up in any chemical test.
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From: garyl@moe.corollary.COM (Gary Lorman) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Corollary, Inc. Lines: 42 In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes: >In article <CONRADIE.40.734872761@firga.sun.ac.za> CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) writes: > >..... > >>However, if I were to design a BMW's electronics, I will use a counter to >>count the number of times the car passed 1 million miles (or whatever), and >>store it in the car computer's memory. This could be read when doing a >>diagnostics test. Ditto for the date of the odometer. As easy as this is, I >>don't know why manafucturers don't do it (don't they?) to prevent illegal >>odometer tampering. >> >>But as a previous writer said, it will in any case take aeons to reset an >>odometer, mechanic or electronic by simulating a driving car. It will be >>easier to reprogram it. How, I don't know. > >It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics. If the >counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find >the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in, >and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have >to know what the conventions are for low and high). It might be a little more >involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET. >All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using >a "translation table" stored in ROM. > >selah, > >Dan > But, those chips are probably inside a custom chip, (to make it smaller and use less power) and the preset/data pins are not going to be available. It would probably not be TTL but might be CMOS (wider operating voltage range), not that the tecnology would make much difference. Plus the custom chip would probably be potted (encapsulated with epoxy). Good luck. -- --garyl------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Any shark that gets to be 11 or 12 feet long with 300 big teeth can be considered dangerous" - 'Shark Bowl '92' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: >Hello all, > I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago >that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven >because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot >find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it >originate? >Wondering, >Eddie The quick answer: Revelation 12:7-9 "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels who fought back. But he [the dragon] was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent, called the devil and Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled down to the earth, and his angels with him." The earlier part of chapter 12 deals (very symbolically) with why Satan rose up in battle against Michael and the good angels in the first place. Hope this clears it up. - Mike Walker
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From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: 80-bit keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 47 In article <16BB71018.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> >scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: > >>Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that >>read "3.8 years for *all* solutions". I mean, if we can imagine the >>machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >>that could index and archive it. > > Hmmmm. I think, with really large keyspaces like this, you need to >alter the strategy discussed for DES. Attempt decryption of several >blocks, and check the disctribution of the contents. I don't think it's >at all feasible to keep 2**80 encryptions of a known plaintext block on >*any* amount of tape or CD-ROM. And certainly not 2**128 such encrypted >blocks. (Anyone know a cheap way of converting every atom in the solar >system into a one bit storage device?) [...] I don't claim to be a crypto analyist... there isn't a whole lot of good literature on the subject, and the best people don't seem to publish their work :) but I rather doubt the approach such folks use is brute force (sorry to have implied that in my previous post). The history of these things is folks find clever ways of limiting the search and bang from there. I guess my real problem with Skipjack is I can not believe NSA would make publicly available a system they couldn't break if they wanted... it just isn't in their charter. Remember DES came from IBM, not NSA and, when first published, was given a useful life of 20 years... I think we are well past that point now :( Remember, based on the size of the NSA budget, they spend a lot more on the technology of decryption than most computer companies spend on R&D. I have to imagine their stuff is real interesting... A friend who once worked for them (he is dead now) said he always enjoyed monitoring SAC's (Strategic Air Command) crypto traffic :) and I rather suspect that stuff is a bit more complex than Skipjack (Or was it the military got the stuff from the NSA just like we get Skipjack from them ;) [BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ Support Privacy: Support Encryption (--)\
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From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: Re: With Friends Like The Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 27 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Paul Prescod pontificating: PP>State.EDU (Cathy Smith) writes: PP>> Libertarians oppose BOTH waiting periods AND background checks PP>>-- or ANY prerequisite for exercising rights that are supposed to PP>>be guaranteed. PP>Let me get this straight. Unlike the other idiots in this newsgroup, PP>you actually support anybody having unlimited access to guns, PP>inclucing criminals. (or would you prohibit them from owning them, PP>but not from buying them?) PP>You are a supreme idiot. You make the other idiots look like Mensa members. Thanks Paul, for yet another fine example of the holier than thou gun control mindset. Why don't you add something intelligent to the debate, like maybe nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah. --- . OLX 2.2 . Fight crime..... shoot back! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Some more info. about P9000 board Originator: himb@iniki Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 10 One more thing to add, the Orchid board vesa bios is only able to handle the 1 meg dram on board, the Viper however can utilize the 2 meg vram on board to support vesa modes such as 1280x1024x256, 800x600x16 mil. and 1024x768x65536 under Dos. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93) + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +
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From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation Lines: 35 In article <C5L2xt.IqD@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. > >Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric >Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit >using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that >it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as >a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall >hearing recently that it was about to happen. The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for deceleration. This from an issue of 'Science News' or 'The Planetary Report' I believe, about 2 months ago(?). Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu) ================================================================================ I read the newspaper today and was amazed that, in 24 hours, five billion people could accomplish so little. ================================================================================
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From: jimj@contractor.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Jones) Subject: Post-fever rashes: I get 'em every time Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 18 Distribution: world Reply-To: jimj@contractor.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Jones) NNTP-Posting-Host: contractor.ebay.sun.com The subject-line says it: every time I run a fever, I get an amazing rosy rash over my torso and arms. Fortunately, it doesn't itch. The rash always comes on the day after the fever breaks and no matter what the illness was: cold, flu, whatever. It started happening about four years ago after I moved to my current town, although I don't know if that has anything to do with anything. Severity and persistance of the rash seems to vary with the fever: a severe or long-lasting fever brings a long-lasting rash. A mild fever seems to bring rashes that go away faster. Anybody know what might be causing this? It's no more than an embarassment, but I'd be curious to know what's going on. Am I carrying some kind of fever-resistant bug that goes wild when fever knocks out its competition? Jim Jones
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From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes: >Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your >bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine? >The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound. > >Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the >translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few >minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic >face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass. A couple of other tips. 1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away from the sun. 2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned product plug #2543): roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes: >OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a >face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it >better? What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com
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From: rebop@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Ulius) Subject: Newtek Video Toaster Link For Sale Keywords: Newtek Video Toaster Amiga Mac Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect Macs and the Video Toaster. List is $595, street price likely to be $495. I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911 M-F 8-5 if you would like further info. All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as well. -- ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ - Bob Ulius | rebop@well.sf.ca.us | (916) 338-4766 - ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
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From: Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 60 In article <Apr.15.00.58.18.1993.28885@athos.rutgers.edu> oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: > >And the two simplest refutations are these: > >(1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. >I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that >the recorded "impact" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other >contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain >being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection >is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years >after the supposed event. First, off I'd say that the impact if right before your eyes! 8-) That we are even discussing this is a major impact in and of itself. Further, the early church bears testimony to the impact. >(2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no >one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely >explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). >Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one >gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make >up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does >record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really >guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was buried begs the question. Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the body seems rather lightweight to me. As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is an argument that can be discounted. That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!? IHL, Gene -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 [Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario, and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling. --clh]
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes: >>People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar >>and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional >>brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything. >Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small >fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the >performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars. I have been for a fairly hard run in an MX5, what they lack in power they surely make up for in handling. Great for back streets with heaps of corners. They are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free revving DOHC engine, a fun car. Have you driven a TURBO converted MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth [32S, 116E]--> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: hooperw@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Hooper) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 13 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models >just don't react to it. Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card In-Reply-To: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 08:52:42 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> <CMM.0.90.2.734911642.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> <viking.734945095@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> <CMM.0.90.2.735132009.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> <viking.735209562@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> Lines: 51 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas in 1991 that was caused by guns..... This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! (Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but they're still *pretty* high right??) I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... *I* should not suffer because of others.... We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). Do you have an insurance?? Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... Do you buy anything?? YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... Do you live with other people?? Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) -What the hell is he trying to say ?? When you live in a society (USA are stilll counted as one...) you have to saccrifice. The question is HOW MUCH. One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on other people. It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only problem is that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you hope to cure him first. Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: F<O>CUS/HEALTH: ONE PAYER SYSTEM B.S. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 54 UJSNYDER%MSUVX2%MEMSTVX1.BITNET@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu writes: > >There is never any mention of how much working Canadians have to >pay in taxes for their "free" health care system. Oh, *really*??? >I know that more than 50% of an average daily worker's salary goes >towards taxes in Canada mainly because of this "free" health care. >It looks like we are pretty lucky so far. I know that when working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed seperately on my pay stub. While I'm not the only Canadian who favours lower taxes and cutbacks in spending, health insurance isn't on the table. See our polls ... A better one might be the July 1st polls conducted for Macleans (our major English newsmagazine) by Decima Research ... Decima president Allen Gregg is considered one of the world's top poll researchers, and Mulroney's Conservatives have relied on him to keep in power in the face of impossible election situations. I haven't had a chance to see this year's version due to our library, but previous ones before the Americans started their assault and disinformation had shown satisfaction at 97% and switching to an American all-private system had support within statistical noise. The Decima polls are considered definitive. Even the new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly "libertarian" faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these). Personally, I feel that the universal health insurance approach used in Canada, France and Germany -- paying to private health providers in a nominally free market not unlike America's, minus HMO's -- depends a lot on values in those societies different from the U.S. The basic health needs for life are not viewed as market, but the insurance does allow the market to address that -- basic health care is not viewed on the level of ownership of a VCR as Americans would see it. Plenty of room is left for expenditure of private funds as extra insurance or as >Lastly, there were noises about how the Canadian system was not >containing costs, but, in fact, their system is currently bankrupt. Please explain this one, hopefully in a way that Canadian readers besides myself can understand and concur ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: mppa3@syma.SUssex.ac.UK (Alan Richardson) Subject: Now available: xvertext.4.0 Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 25 To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu Now available: xvertext 4.0 -------------- Summary ------- xvertext provides you with four functions to draw strings at any angle in an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). Rotation is still achieved using XImages, but the notion of rotating a whole font first has been dropped. What's new? ----------- I've added a cache which keeps a copy of previously rotated strings - thus speeding up redraws. Where can I get it? ------------------- comp.sources.x (soon...) export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.4.0.shar.Z (now) -- Alan Richardson, * "You don't have to be * School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise" * Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk
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From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 38 In article <C5K6ny.AzJ@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: > > >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the > >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and > >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of > >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. > > Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about > $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to > redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups > pertaining to Motif has been high. > > >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial > >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using > >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using > >the Motif widget sets). > > I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif > by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the "free" UNIX > platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. > I think you will find that the active Linux and 386BSD communities are populated by enthusiasts who would object to paying *any* money for software. Otherwise, they would probably have gone for a commercial Unix. An important factor in the Linux community is that source code is always available (this is probably similar in the 386BSD community, however, I'm not really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely adopted. Regards, Richard Gooch....
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From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: The Armory Lines: 94 In article <1993Apr5.000007.27707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mimi) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.n >u.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>In article <1pkmo9INNg7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.ed > >>(William December Starr) writes: >>> >>>And what difference does it make? If homosexuals should not be treated >>>as equals with heterosexuals in the eyes of the law then it doesn't >>>matter if they comprise an overwhelming majority of the population, and >>>if they should then it doesn't matter if, numerically, they're only an >>>infinitesimal minority, right? >>> >>And if it makes no difference, then shoving a false number down my throa > >>shouldn't be a high priority. After all, why should a minority group ne >d to >>inflate their numbers in order to justify the rights they claim they des >rve >>i.e. extra privileges they ask for? >> >>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >> >>-- >>Douglas C. Meier | This Space for Rent >>Northwestern University, ACNS | >>This University is too Commie- | >>Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu > > >You know, I have thought about the issue of if someone beats up a >homosexual, or a black person, etc., should the crime be specified >as something special. Shit, beating up anybody, regardless of race >and sexual orientation should be a very serious crime. If you >pick out those crimes which are committed against the opposite sex, >different race, or a different sexual orientation, is this a form >of favoring those groups over other groups. Hmm.. I mean, I think >that a crime committed against all people should be treated the >same. But, I know that there are many people out there who are >very prejudice against people who are different than they are. And >perhaps hate crimes laws are the only way to punish the bastards >appropriately. But, why should a person who commits a crime against >a wealthy protestant white by a wealthy protestant white be treated >on a lower level. Isn't this discrimination against the wealthy >white person. > >Hmm.. Any input out there? As a black person, I here about all >sorts of stories where fellow blacks are persecuted and beat up >because of their race. This really tears me up. But, a crime >against a white by a white should also be treated as a heinous >crime. > >Please respond. I would like to hear what other views are out ther. > >Ciao' >Mimi --------------------------- The federal government has used such laws to allow mutliple charges in order to prevent more crimes than would nromally occur just from two people being pissed off at each other. The federal government has an interest in the intent of the perpetrators in the pursuit of preventing violations of civil rights. It's the way they broke the back of the Klan, by putting a lot of people away for a very long time for harrassing blacks specifically. It is a principle that has been well recognized as constitutionally valid since over 100 years ago. It has been used whenever a select group was getting bashed or harrassed more than any other person would just for being part of a minority. It is the only way we made the defeat of the south stick after the Civil War. People who harrassed free blacks, when normally they wouldn't find themselves harrassing just anyone walking around were expeditiously tried and jailed for 5 to 8 years until nobody wanted to try it anymore. Now with the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law, the law can use multiple crime and severe penalty involving intent as much as is needed to protect even one human that is a hated minority to somebody. They can call out the national guard just for them, as they did the school girls in Alabama during desegregation in the 1950's, and the president can nationalize the state militia and turn the guns of the militia that were being used to bar blacks right around to point at the thousands in the crowd with an order to shoot that they would have to obey or face possible death by firing squad under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failing to obey a direct order while under arms! And by god, they did! Those southern boys turned right around an fixed bayonets! And the governor was left standing and was arrested by the federal marshalls that had brought the order to nationalize the guard. And that's why we need such an ability in federal jurisdiction. -RSW -- * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. *
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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: TPS will stay on the top... Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER: TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger! I just heard some news, according to which TPS has acquired the next Finnish hockey superstar(??) Jere Lehtinen from Kiekko-Espoo! There are also some rumours about Erik Kakko (Reipas) and Marko Jantunen (KalPa) being traded to TPS. Both of this players are currently on the Finnish olympic team. I think that Jantunen is drafted to the NHL, too. BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good playoff games against TPS! Hannu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO JETS GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL" Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210510.2943 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes: > Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture > of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA > Today? Any reason given for this? Yes, and the answer is simple. To create a better feeling in the park, the seats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words.
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From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..." Lines: 22 gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word "medicine" instead of drug. With regard to the condition of the human soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine. It also strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created us. > Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way. > Christians inject themselves with Jesus and live with that high. (small spelling correction added) Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
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From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Roger Maynard Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 15 Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts and have little if any hockey info. I have recieved two in the last 2 days. I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him. Gregmeister Obligatory hockey comment: It is highly unlikely that the Maple Leafs will even get out of their division.
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From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: US Robotics info wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 11 Could someone please give me some info regarding the USR Sportsters that have recently dropped below $200? I was going to buy a used Courier v32bis external without fax for $200 but now I see the Sportster with Fax is selling below $200 brand new! Are these good modems? What warranty do they carry? Any info very much appreciated. Kevin hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
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From: zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) Subject: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh1fa Reply-To: zbib@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Lines: 134 Adam Shostack writes: > Sam Zbib writes >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. > It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an > exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have > 400 000 arab citizens. Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of Israel right after it was formed. > And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile > action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing > to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It > is not a hostile action leading to war. No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about anti-trust in the business world. Since we are debating the legality of a commercial transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of investing, you can not acquire a large number of those shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). >>As to whether the Jews wanted to live in peace, maybe. >>However they wanted and still want an exclusively Jewish >>state, where Jews are in control and Jews are the masters of >>the land. Living in peace is meaningless unless it means >>living *WITH* someone else, as equal. For a native arab, this >>does not leave many options. > Oh, you mean like both Jews and Arabs being citizens? The >arabs who stayed are now citizens, with as much right to choose who >they vote for as the Jews. Again Adam, the devil is in the details. I don't want to get on a tangent here but its the same reasonning that says its OK to return 100 deportes and leave the rest. Because 100 is a nice number that you can devide by 10, 100 and besides, it has an integer square root. >>Those palestinians who stayed, actually stayed despite of what >>happened, and their number was somewhat tolerated as a defenseless >>and ineffective minority. >>If I were wrong, you'd have Israel recall all the >>palestinian refugees (we're talking millions). After all, >>they are civilians. > Huh? The people who left, did so voluntarily. There is no >reason for Israel to let them in. Do you actually believe this? My experience tells me that every palestinian I knew still keeps the key to his home, in Palestine. Besides they often refer to their exodus as an escape from hell (so to speak). I know none that agrees with you. Did you sample their opinions? I know you don't care, just being rethorical. >>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it >>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid >>flowing). > Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It >still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how >is granting citizenship a facade? Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews). Israel probably had a few options after 1948: ethnic cleansing Serbian style, and deserve the wrath of the international community, or make the best out of a no win condition: show the world how good Israel is towards the 'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So yes, they're there. But as a community with history and roots, its dead. >> Tell me something, Sam. What makes land "arab?" >How shall I explain, Its a contract between the man and the >land. Control isn't it. The Ottomans ruled 400 years, and >then left with barely a trace. The concept of Land identity >is somewhat foreign to the mobile and pragmatic West. It is >partly the concept of 'le sol natal', native soil. I know >that jews had previous history in the region, but none in >recent memory. I'm talking everyday life not archeology. > Try again, you tell me what its isn't, but you fail to > establish what it is. > Also, Jews did have history in Israel for over a thousand >years. There were lots of Jews slaughtered by Crusaders in Israel. >There was a thriving community in Gaza city from roughly 1200-1500. >Jews were a majority in Jerusalem from 1870 or so onwards. Does that >make the land Jewish? I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest Palestine? > Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu -- Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca VOICE: (613) 763-5889 FAX: (613) 763-2626 Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and no one else's
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From: pramodmm@deforest.ee.washington.edu (Pramod Mahadev) Subject: Help on xlib and include files Article-I.D.: shelley.1r6om2INN3tf Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: deforest.ee.washington.edu Hi Xperts! I have a Sparc-1 with very limited disk space on /usr partition. previously, i was able to run all x-windows applications and then i upgraded my system to sun o.s. 4.1.3 and realized that , the hard disk did not have enough space to load openwindows. My immediate alternative was to load only the neccessary files to boot the system. This resulted in not loading openwindows. As a result of which none of the X-libraries got loaded. I am trying to load just the libraries and include files and bin/X11 files required for running X-windows and compiling my programs written for Xlib and Xaw. In a desperate effort to regain x-windows, i retrieved /usr/lib/libX*.* files from the tape . /usr/bin/X11/* and /usr/include/X11/* . Is this enough for running X-windows BUt i did not get /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ sub directories . these are mainly 100dpi, 75dpi and misc. when i run xinit, the error message says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc are not in the default path. But the problem is i cannot load any of those directories as there is no disk space. Are there any temporary suggestions before I get a 1.5 GB disk and load openwindows , to just have my x-windows running. Thanks Pramod --
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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 19 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr16.151729.8610@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: >: Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? >Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Are you volunteering? :) > But a >hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit >to the next available landing site. Will NASA have "available landing sites" in the Russian Republic, now that they are Our Friends and Comrades? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --
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From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: Can I Change "Licensed To" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 19 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu In article <1993Apr15.180633.3437@trintex.uucp>, charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () writes: >Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about >simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to >would be pirates? > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can write over the "Licensed to:", but you can't change the name underneth it. I think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not going to promote that here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: Reseting LW IIg to factory defaults From: Robert Grapes <R.Grapes@massey.ac.nz> Organization: Massey University X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:03:45 GMT X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 21 In article <1qpir1$762@slab.mtholyoke.edu> Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu writes: > I have a Laserwriter IIg that has disappeared completely from the > Network, i.e. it's name doesn't show up in any zone. (You can print > to it from it's serial interface, tho!) I have seen some discussion > here about changing the zone a IIg is in... including some PS code > that lets you change the zone. Is there maybe some PS code you can > use to have it go back to all its factory default settings? I have > a feeling that's what needed to heal ours. The following postscript works for LaserWriter IIg's with version 2 roms %! 0 serverdict begin exitserver << /FactoryDefaults true >> setsystemparams systemdict begin realtime 10000 add { dup realtime le { pop exit } if } loop quit Rob.
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From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Zionism Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 The following flyer was distributed at AIPAC's 34th annual Policy Conference: Because when we're not in Israel, we're told to go back where we came from and when we come back to Israel we're told to go back to where we came from and when we're vocal we have too much influence and when we are quiet we can afford to be because we we control everything anyway and when we buy something we can afford to because Jews are so rich and when we don't buy something it's because we're cheap and because when we are poor we're called dirty Jew and ignorant and when we're not we're called called rich Jew and JAP and when we are visibly organized it's because there is a secret Jewish conspiracy and when we're not it is because there is a secret Jewish conspiracy and because we're told we're not a people and when we say we are we're still told that we're not and when we marry our own people we're called racist and we don't we're contaminating someone else's "race" and because we're under fire from the Left and from the Right and because there are whites who hate us for not being white and because there are non-whites who hate us for being white and because anti-semitic incidents are rising every year but we're told that anti-semitism doesn't exist or that we're paranoid and because we're told to shut up about the Holocaust and yet Holocaust revisionism is risng every year and when we are "obnoxious" we're called JAPs and when we are "nice" we're told we don't act Jewish and because anti-semitism is now world-wide and because our people is not yet free and because we do not have to complete the work but neither are we free to desist from it for these reasons and many many more we are part of the Jewish National Liberation Movement: ZIONISM.
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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Distribution: na Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: raible@nas.nasa.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 19:32:39 In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). Communication: work out your own system. Or just slow down and holler back every once in a while. At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled Magna, we can hear each other. It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you can't really communicate. Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how they're going to react to steering. Some people catch on immediately and lean with me. Others are completely skittish about the leaning thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon. This is a pain while turning, but manageable. The WORST are the passengers who stay perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position. This always screws up the line I've picked out. Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers: - attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket. - Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise. Do not get on/off unless I say you can. (I've had people try to dismount in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!) - Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said) - We get *GOOD* traction. We're not going to fall over. (Many first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!) - Turn dynamics: sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and we're going straight. Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel of it. Or just hug me tight. - Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be gradual, so I can compensate. - Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired. - Trust is essential. Trust the driver (me) to do the right thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how to operate it. Enjoy the ride. (This is important to stress. For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to watch the speedo like a hawk: I drove her to the beach down 84, and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, "SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED" I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster. Problem solved: she watched the scenery instead of the instruments, and had a much better time. Based on her experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.) Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes, tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers. Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up. Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road: there were lots of little mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones. It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the first trip! Good luck -- have fun! -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
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From: sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) Subject: Hernia Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: condor.encore.com Lines: 20 A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a "plug and patch". The doctor considered the procedure a success. A few months later the same pain returned. The doctor said that he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair. Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure now says that yes there is a "new" hernia in the same area and he said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time. My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from something else? Steve Heffner
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From: tk@pssparc2.mitek.com (Tom Kimball) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX Distribution: na Lines: 36 In article <C5217t.J5B@newsserver.technet.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >details that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls >were working. In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds >did something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush >and the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced >Grahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush Yea, it turned out that Gramm-Rudman was a sham to fool the voters into accepting the borrow-and-spend policies of the last 12 years. >As it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyone can expand the economy by chargeing $3 trillion on their credit cards. Big deal. Deficit spending only expands the economy in the short term. In the long term it shrinks the economy for numerous reasons. I would have MUCH preferred that the taxpayers had that $3 trillion instead. >The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level >ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. > >Chew on that awhile. If Reagan had kept his campaign PROMISE to balance the budget by 1983, there would have been no need for Bush or Clinton to raise taxes. And all Reagan had to do was balance that puny Carter deficit. Chew on that awhile. -- Tom Kimball OpenConnect Systems 2711 LBJ Freeway, Suite 800 tk@oc.com Dallas, TX 75006
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From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Babylon Book Offer Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 20 From time to time I have made reference to a book called "The Two Babylons" which is a book written by Alexander Hislop (mid 1800's) about the Babylonian mystery religion and its flight through history. I was unable to put it down the first time I read it, but others have found it dry. It has numberable references and illustrations. If you are interested in purchasing your own copy, you can call Moody Book Store @ (312)329-4352 and order it for $16.99 and they will ship it to you. It is a good book just to get the reference titles for your own digs into the mystery religions. I have found it invaluable for that purpose alone. But for those who only want to skim the subject, it comes highly recommended. Just a note to my RC brothers and sisters. You may find this to be a diatribe or you may find it to be a test to the origin and true nature of the origin of RCism. If you are offended by anything that asks hard questions about your denomination (as to whether or not it is "Christian") then perhaps you should just passover this offer. To those who are a little more adventurous, go for it and later, please contact me with you reasons pro or con on the scholorship of this book. I really would be interested. adelphoi ev Christos, Rex
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From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Nntp-Posting-Host: moosehead.dtc.hp.com Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 6 In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes: > I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. > >Nothing some putty and paint won't fix. This from someone riding a GSXR? Gutsy.
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From: defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) Subject: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpclapd.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Lines: 121 [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to allow "date" fields the following special keys: [Tt]: Insert today's date [+=]: Bump day up by one [-_]: Bump day down by one I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an XmText field for this. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. // ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// #include <X11/Intrinsic.h> #include <Xm/Xm.h> #include <Xm/RowColumn.h> #include <Xm/MainW.h> #include <Xm/Text.h> Widget toplevel; Widget mainWindow; Widget mainPane; Widget dateField; XtAppContext application; void markToday (Widget date) { char *todaysDate = "04/19/93"; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, todaysDate, NULL); } // markToday void markTomorrow (Widget date) { char *tomorrowsDate = "04/20/93"; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, tomorrowsDate, NULL); } // markTomorrow void markYesterday (Widget date) { char *yesterdaysDate = "04/18/93"; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, yesterdaysDate, NULL); } // markYesterday void datekeys (Widget /* callingWidget */, Widget date, XmTextVerifyPtr callbackData) { // Capture the keys [Tt-_+=] can change their behaviour. If found // set "doit" to false so X won't interpret the keystroke. switch (callbackData->text->ptr [0]) { case 't': case 'T': markToday (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; case '-': case '_': markYesterday (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; case '+': case '=': markTomorrow (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; default: return; } // switch } // datekeys void main (Cardinal argc, char *argv []) { // Initialize Xt toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize (&application, "Application", NULL, 0, &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); // Create the toolface mainWindow = XtVaCreateManagedWidget ("mainWindow", xmMainWindowWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL); // Create a mainWindow mainPane = XtVaCreateManagedWidget ("mainPane", xmRowColumnWidgetClass, mainWindow, NULL); // Create a small text area dateField = XtVaCreateManagedWidget ("dateField", xmTextWidgetClass, mainPane, XmNtopAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, XmNrightAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, XmNcolumns, 8, NULL); // Set modifyVerifyCallback to the datekeys callback XtAddCallback (dateField, XmNmodifyVerifyCallback, (XtCallbackProc) datekeys, (XtPointer) dateField); // Realize the toplevel XtRealizeWidget (toplevel); // Go into the XtMainLoop XtAppMainLoop (application); } // main _______________________________________________________________________________ I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com _______________________________________________________________________________ -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com _______________________________________________________________________________
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From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: >I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what >happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the >name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own >legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and >reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some >more of these critters? For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green .. mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT .. -- <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't (really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: The guy who bad-mouthed Ulf... Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 14 Patrick Walker <F1HH@UNB.CA> writes: > >If he ever tried some like that on a Yzerman, he'd >would have to deal with Probert now wouldn't he? Do you realize how many smiles are crossing faces after you wrote that? (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: Looking for Large MONO/COLOR VGA Monitor. Organization: NC State University Lines: 12 I am looking for a monitor 17" or larger that could do 1024x748 with and 8514/A card (PS2/70) I guess I would prefere 19" and MONO (later becuase of lower price) Please email me the brand, model, condition and asking price... (Please include this message for reference) ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== (919)515-8063 (W)
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Distribution: world From: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au Organization: MacContent BBS, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia Return-Receipt-To: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au Subject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW! Lines: 9 Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will be 32 bits wides. *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] ***************************************************************************
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From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 28 I would like to know what people's opinions are about the "real world" differences are between a C650 with and without a coprocessor... I don't use anything like Mathamatica, Maple, etc. I don't use Spreadsheets (at least no sheets with complicated anything), I don't use 3D CAD apps (although I used to), I DO: use 3D renderers, EXTENSIVE communications, I run a BBS, I write software, I write papers, etc... BTW, just for kicks, this is what I was told by my local Apple Rep about upgrading a 68LC040 to a 69RC040 on a C650: "Well, Apple built in an extra socket for the coprocessor chip. That way, you just plug in the coprocessor, and it works." I then heartily laughed and hung up the phone. thanks, -nate o---------------------------+======================================o | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | o---------------------------+======================================o
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From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) Subject: Re: Automotive crash test, performance and maintenance stats? Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 23 <<I wrote> <Is there a resource available to the consumer comparing all of the makes <and models of automobiles, trucks, vans, etc. for survivability in a <crash of different severities? <... <Also, I've found very little objective data comparing different <vehicles for handling, pick-up, braking, expected maintenance, etc. <I recall years ago Consumer Reports annual buyer's guide was much more <informative in those aspects than it is now. Thanks to a reply from someone I looked a little further and found what I was looking for. The April CR magazine has most of the above things. Despite recent articles here the ratings looked pretty good for relative comparison purposes. Unfortunately the crash test comparisons didn't include half of the cars I'm comparing. Anybody know how '93 Honda Civic hatchbacks and Toyota Tercels fare in an accident? -- ====== Boyd Johnson nosc!spectra.com!johnson San Diego, California ====== Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups. My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer.
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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 55 dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > Unfaithfully yours, > Pixie > p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >it blindly? > Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you? > I defy any theist to reply. Dear Defiant (or Unfaithful or Pixie): I will take up the challenge to reply, as I am a theist. The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence of God could not be proven. That His existence can be proven by reason is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, "Traditional Proofs for the Existence of God," and Summa Theologica). Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason, I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith. Why? Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter, the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order to the universe (logos). I next assert that God is all good. If this is so, then that which is contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good. And, since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship. Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah. Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6). If this claim is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate. You next seem to have a problem with authority. Have you tried the United States Marine Corps yet? I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent instructor in authority. If you have not yet had the privilege, I will reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned, and thus must be followed blindly. One may NOT deny the truth. For example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could have denied that it happened, but he did not. The laws of physics must be obeyed whether a human likes them or not. They are true. Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied. QED -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina)
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Its entire Muslim population had been slaughtered by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 31 Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 19 (first paragraph) "The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi." p. 22 (second paragraph) "Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers. We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives. Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution in Russia was suppressed." Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger) Subject: 486SX Motherboard/Case/Mouse Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 54 Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package. Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am presently upgrading. Here are the specs-- Motherboard ----------- Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC) 8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin) BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.) -can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors -based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip Math co-processor slot 3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots Case ---- Low-Profile Desktop Very nice grey color 150 watt power supply Room for 2 floppies plus HD Mouse ----- 3-button Microsoft-compatible Grey color matches case All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included. You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard. It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it. However, the case and this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly. As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers Its just a lot more convenient on the whole I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package. I think this is a fair price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO ports. All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard. Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd. I also will entertain all serious offers. Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu Thanks -J
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.204743.21314 Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu You're right ... I'm sick of seeing all those white guys on skates myself ... the Vancouver Canucks should be half women, and overall one-third Oriental. (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; And I'll gladly volunteer myself for the overage draft. (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: tims@megatek.com (Tim Scott) Subject: Re: RFD: misc.taoism Reply-To: tims@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 72 In article <79899@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group. I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com> "Thyagi@cup.portal.com" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters should be agreed upon. Thyagi wrote: > I recommend that the depth of generality, indeed, of AMBIGUITY, in this > newsgroup (misc.taoism) be maximized. Calling the Tradition old or new > is rather unnecessary, and only leads to foolish squabbles. There is no > doubt that Nature is a splendid teacher, whether she appears in the words > spoken by a tree or by a stream, a microbe or a star. Let us not limit > 'misc.taoism' to 'philosophy'. But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob. Other questions Thyagi proposes are: > 1) What is this 'actual process of reality'? > 2) Why is Taoism based upon an assumption? > 3) Why does this assumption concern knowledge and what can be known? > 4) What is the value of not knowing? > 5) What is 'a Tao'? What does it mean to be 'Tao'd'? It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of "general metaphysics". I would prefer any misc.taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least "semi-orthodox" Taoism: with established classic works definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about! I think "neo-Taoism" should be excluded or get its own group (what I mean by this is "Humpty-Dumpty Taoism", in which Taoism means whatever a poster says it means.) This "alt.taoism" could also be a refuge for debates about what "Taoism *REALLY* means" or speculations on sexual alchemy, etc.. e.g. (from Thyagi again): > Taoism does what the hell it wants, I tell you. > Taoism doesn't exist. 'Taoism' is no more real that 'Tao'. Decide, now. > Real or not real? Exist or not-exist? When shall we be certain Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article): > However most traffic in > the group will likely concern the philosophical, secular taoism > averred by Alan Watts and Niels Bohr, and yogic taoism as it pertains > to medical, sexual and martial techniques. I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of place. What's happening is that that the term "Taoism" is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words "magic", "Alchemy", "Zen," etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled "The Tao of" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.) Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance, I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim P. Scott sending from: Megatek Corporation (619)455-5590 ext.2610 9645 Scranton Rd. San Diego, CA 92121-3782 USA FAX: (619)453-7603 Internet: tims@megatek.com [or] ...uunet!megatek!tims
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From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist) Subject: Re: 17" Monitors Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh829 Organization: Bell Northern Research X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 33 Tony Catone (catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu) wrote: : In article <C5GEH5.n1D@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: : : Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a : high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony : 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It : is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic : image, and the large image size, etc, etc... : : It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third : down, the other two thirds down) come from. : The 2 lines are not a result of the high end trinitron tube, these 2 wires will be found on all 17" trinitron tubes (e.g., Mitsubishi 17", Sony 1604, etc). On 14" Sony tubes, you'll find one wire. Their level of annoyance is purely subjective. I'm so happy with the sharpness of the T560i that I don't even notice the lines. The T560i uses a Trinitron SA tube which, when viewed as a complete tube, has a larger diameter than the standard Trinitron tube. This results in a flatter screen than other 17" monitors using the standard trinitron (which has a vertically flat but not horizontally flat surface), and apparently the ability to provide a tighter beam focus. -- ,----------------------,------------------------.---------------------, | Karl Tracy Blomquist | E-MAIL: tracyb@bnr.ca | Fax: 1-613-765-4018 | | Consultant | "opinions are my own" | Ph: 1-613-765-4886 | `----------------------'------------------------'---------------------' | Bell-Northern Research, P.O.Box 3511, Stn C, Ottawa, Ont., K1Y-4H7 | `---------------------------------------------------------------------'
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Orginization: Old Dominion University - Computing & Communications Services From: Kay Alexander <KBA100S@ODUVM.BITNET> Subject: Quadra 800 problem & question Lines: 16 I just got a Quadra 800 8/230 and I've noticed that I can't change the desktop color from the beautiful gray. I thought maybe I should reinstall the OS using the "Install Me First, Macintosh Centris, Quadra..." diskette because the system file on this diskette is more recent than the one on the hard disk. The easy install selects "Macintosh Cnetris System Software". Does anyone know if I should use this or customize and use "System Software for any Macintosh"? Or does it matter? THANKS in advance for any suggestions... Kay Alexander Old Dominion University BITNET: kba100s@oduvm INTERNET: kba100s@oduvm.cc.odu.edu
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From: keith@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil Subject: Tektronix 453 scope for sale Article-I.D.: radio.621 Lines: 19 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26712; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:58 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16134; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:53 -0700 X-To: misc.forsale.usenet Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith ---- Keith Kanoun, WA2Q kdk@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 27 In article <1qjfnv$ogt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) wrote: > (1) Does the term "hero-worship" mean anything to you? Yes, worshipping Jesus as the super-saver is indeed hero-worshipping of the grand scale. Worshipping Lenin that will make life pleasant for the working people is, eh, somehow similar, or what. > (2) I understand that gods are defined to be supernatural, not merely > superhuman. The notion of Lenin was on the borderline of supernatural insights into how to change the world, he wasn't a communist God, but he was the man who gave presents to kids during Christmas. > #Actually, I agree. Things are always relative, and you can't have > #a direct mapping between a movement and a cause. However, the notion > #that communist Russia was somewhat the typical atheist country is > #only something that Robertson, Tilton et rest would believe in. > > Those atheists were not True Unbelievers, huh? :-) Don't know what they were, but they were fanatics indeed. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit) Subject: Problems with OpenWindows Organization: Dept. of Statistics Lines: 22 After having OpenWindows (Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days, the following message appears when trying to open a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows. XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package) I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem. Yali Amit Department of Statistics University of Chicago Chicago IL 60615
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From: uli@izfm.uni-stuttgart.de (Uli Allgeier) Subject: Re: PADS Question - How do I go from a schematic -> PCB? Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc8.izfm.uni-stuttgart.de Hi! In article <C5svup.I4I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes: >After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into >PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is >to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there >another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions >provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks! Sorry, it's german, but I hope you understand it. Uebertragung der Schaltplan-Daten (*.SCH) in die Board-Daten (*.JOB): PADS-LOGIC: In/Out Reports Net List Select PADS-PCB Net List Output file name -> filename angeben PADS-PCB: In/Out Ascii In Ascii input file name -> filename angeben Errors aoutput file name -> filename angeben, nicht CR Jetzt sind alle Bauteile auf einem Haufen und muessen mit Move verteilt werden. Viele Gruesse Uli
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying? Article-I.D.: rigel.SHAFER.93Apr6095951 Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. Lines: 33 In-Reply-To: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca's message of 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT On 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT, vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) said: Vida> Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear Vida> that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum Vida> number of flying hours -- what are these limits? What are the Vida> main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours) Vida> trips? The crew rest requirements are to prevent undue fatigue. The cockpit crew (pilot) limits are somewhat more stringent than the cabin crew limits for this reason. Crew rest requirements address amount of time on duty plus rest time. A tired crew is an accident-prone crew. The only limits I know of for inner-ear problems are in military aircraft, which are frequently unpressurized or less reliably pressurized. Not being able to clear the ears renders aircrew members DNIF (duties not involving flying) or grounded until the ears clear. Flying can accentuate problems if ears don't clear. If you don't have big pressure changes, you may not know that you've got a problem. But if you zip up to 5,000 or 6,000 ft (the usual cabin altitude in an airliner) and then back down to sea level, you may discover a problem. Ears don't clear readily because of allergies, colds, infections, and anatomical problems. The last won't change; the first three can. Medication (decongestants or antihistimines, usually) can help. Chewing gum, sucking hard candy (or a bottle for babies), yawning--these will help all four causes. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot
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From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: > In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>humor us. Thanks for your help. >> >>Thanks. >>Bobby > > > > Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish > faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world > series games because of Yom Kippur) > I thought that was Sandy Koufax. Sam > > > -- > Pablo Iglesias > pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu >
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From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: Can sin "block" our prayers? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 27 mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes: > Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered: > > You husbands likewise, live with your wives in > an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, > since she is a woman; and grant her honor as > a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your > prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7 One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an example of a specific sin that blocks prayer. This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband and to the husband through the wife. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
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From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB") Subject: Space Activities in Tucson, AZ ? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 7 I would like to find out about space engineering employment and educational opportunities in the Tucson, Arizona area. E-mail responses appreciated. My mail feed is intermittent, so please try one or all of these addresses. Ben Muniz w(818)586-3578 MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@beach.rockwell.com or: bmuniz@a1tms1.remnet.ab.com MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com
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From: jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: Chevron Lines: 31 In article <philC5Ht85.H48@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the Religious Left. > >Show me all these environmental "disasters". Most of them aren't. And the >natural disasters we have had individually far outweigh the man-made ones. > >Most of your so-called disasters (Love Canal, Times Beach, TMI) aren't disasters >at all. > >So look, if you want to worship trees (or owls or snails or whatever), fine, do >so. But DON'T try to push the scaredness of YOUR religious off onto me. > If you want to see environmental disasters, go to eastern Europe or some parts of the FSU (former Soviet Union). This is because they had no environmental protection laws and were trying to increase productivity at any expense to justify their political systems. Luckily for us, some of our politicians with vision passed some environmental laws. That isn't to say that they shouldn't be modified, but all I ever hear from you is that the environmental laws were dreamed up by a bunch of left-wing tree-huggers intent on putting us back on horseback. Yes, there are some of those, but a lot of us simply want to procede with caution. -- John Viveiros (jviv@chevron.com) Chevron USA Standard disclaimer applies Midland TX -- NetNews userid for nntpserver.chevron.com - Who said "No News is good news" ?
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From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 23 In article <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: (Deletion) >#>Few people can imagine dying for capitalism, a few >#>more can imagine dying for democracy, but a lot more will die for their >#>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who Died on the Cross for their Sins. >#>Motivation, pure and simple. > >Got any cites for this nonsense? How many people will die for Mom? >Patriotism? Freedom? Money? Their Kids? Fast cars and swimming pools? >A night with Kim Basinger or Mel Gibson? And which of these things are evil? > Read a history book, Fred. And tell me why so many religions command to commit genocide when it has got nothing to do with religion. Or why so many religions say that not living up to the standards of the religion is worse than dieing? Coincidence, I assume. Or ist part of the absolute morality you describe so often? Theism is strongly correlated with irrational belief in absolutes. Irrational belief in absolutes is strongly correlated with fanatism. Benedikt
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: comp.graphics.programmer Organization: Purdue University Lines: 26 In article <1qukk7INNd4l@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes: > However, that is almost overkill. Something more like this would probably > make EVERYONE a lot happier: > > comp.graphics.programmer > comp.graphics.hardware > comp.graphics.apps > comp.graphics.misc That's closer, but I dislike "apps". "software" (vs. "hardware") would be better. Would that engulf alt.graphics.pixutils? Or would that be "programmer"? I don't know if traffic is really heavy enough to warrant a newsgroup split. Look how busy comp.graphics.research is (not). It's true that a lot of the traffic here is rehashing FAQs and discussing things that would probably be better diverted to system-specific groups, but I don't know whether a split would help or hurt that cause. Maybe we need a comp.graphics.RTFB for all those people who can't be bothered to read the fine books out there. Right, Dr. Rogers? :-) ab
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From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) Subject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The observation that the Tree of Life would rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern probably doesn't give enough consideration to the feebleness of the Coriolis force compared to, say, the phototropism of vegetation. A much more likely explanation is the classic one: that the clockwise swastika is the Sun-wheel, because the sun progresses across the sky that way. (Although that's not the historical way it happened; clocks were first made as little imitation images of the sun moving thru the heavens. So it's more valid to talk of the clock going sunwise, but do the engineers listen to me? Of course not.) Anyway, there is still much uncertainty about whether the anti-swastika goes counter-sunwise because that represents Evil, or because it is the Sun's twin-opposite, the Moonwheel. The use of anti-Sun to represent Evil may be because humans are so strongly visually-oriented, but I'm not going to try to settle THAT one just now. -- Diccon Frankborn (dickeney@access.digex.com)
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From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP! Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: > Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence for the font you want! Gregory R. Cook | INTERNET: gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu Department of Chemistry | cookgreg@student.msu.edu Michigan State University | cook@cemvax.cem.msu.edu East Lansing, MI 48824 | BITNET: cook@msucem.BITNET
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From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 32 In article 28727@athos.rutgers.edu, 62johnson@cua.edu (Yusef Al-Tariq) writes: >Who's law is it that a wedding has to happen in a church? the only reqirement >is that you and the bride agreee to marry each other. How also can you say " >"christian wedding" when the proces of marriage is nt really discussed in the >bible. why mus t a person get a civil marriage also? The only standards i >look to are those imposed upon me by god... not of society. If you want to live with someone, you can. If you don't want to have a civil marriage, don't. If you don't want to have a wedding in a church, don't. If you want to call that a marriage, go right ahead. I hope that the young people that are around you, don't follow your example. |-------------------| | Gary Chin | | Staff Engineer | | Sun Microsystems | | Mt. View, CA | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------| [If the original message claims that marriage is not discussed in the Bible, I have to disagree. Various aspects of marriage are discussed in some of Paul's letters, Ephesians 5 sees marriage as a symbol of God's relationship with the church. If it means specifically that the marriage ceremony isn't described, then that seems to be true. But I think what most people mean by Christian marriage is not so much that it takes place in a church as that the parties undertake the various commitments to each other that are associated with marriage in the Bible. --clh]
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From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Nntp-Posting-Host: steam.xylogics.com Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810 Lines: 1 Rawley Eastwick
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From: wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) Subject: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] After setting up Windows for using my Cirrus Logic 5426 VLB GraphicsCard It moved a normal Window from one place to another. My Parameters where just the following : 486 DX 33 VLB The Card is equipped with 1 MB Dram (not Vram, there are 8 sockets for Vram) And the moving of the window just looked like it looked at a friends 386DX 25 (387DX) and an normal ISA ET4000 What I was wondering why is it not using the BITBLT Engine which is suuposed to be on the Chip. How are the experiences here.. Have I done something wrong ? (I installed the MSWIN 3.1 MultiResolution drivers which where supplied with the Card ?!) Would be nice if somebody could tell about his experience with this card Also if there are new(hopefully faster) drrivers around I would love to how to get hold of them :-) (ftp or whatsoever :-) ) Gruss Wolfgang
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From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Request for opinions: Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 1-pc is better protection,..." Thanks in advance, Nadine
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Anti Freeze Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 36 Anti Freeze I was wrong, still had the issue of "Street Rodder" in my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there is an advirtisement for anti freeze. AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for developing overkill priducts the protect and extend the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars, it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff. Baker Precision Products Dept SRM 2865 Gundry Ave Long Beach Ca 90806 [213] 427-2375 I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store.
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From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) Subject: Gatewaying Microsoft Mail/Workgroups via 9600 modem? Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Our student association runs a small Novell network which has a subnetwork of Windows for Workgroups and Microsoft Mail. The Director of Finance, en electrical engineering student, would like to gateway this system, either via SLIP or not, into the University's network and thus the Internet, at the very least to exchange e-mail, but possibly also to do ftp's etc. For now, this would be done via a 9600 bps modem. He would like to set it up so that it would periodically call in to check mail, but would otherwise connect whenever needed. What is the best way to do this? Gatewaying software is available, but what works best? Please reply to me: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca or the D of F : dleung@ee.ubc.ca with a cc: to the other. I don't read all of these groups regularly, so mail is best. If this is a common question, please pot me to a FAQ or ftp site. :=:=> Derek K. Miller dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca Researcher, Alma Mater Society thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca University of British Columbia, Canada Room 230B - 6138 SUB Blvd., Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1 Campus Mail Zone 1 phone (604) 822-6868 fax (604) 822-9019
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Given the massacre of the Muslim population of Karabag by Armenians... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Lines: 124 In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; >ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that >SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS >tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of >CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. And the 'Turkish Karabag' is next. As for 'Cyprus', In 1974, Turkiye stepped into Cyprus to preserve the lives of the Turkish population there. This is nothing but a simple historical fact. Unfortunately, the intervention was too late at least for some of the victims. Mass graves containing numerous bodies of women and children already showed what fate had been planned for a peaceful minority. The problems in Cyprus have their origin in decades of oppression of the Turkish population by the Greek Cypriot officials and their violation of the co-founder status of the Turks set out in the constitution. The coup d'etat engineered by Greece in 1974 to execute a final solution to the Turkish problem was the savage blow that invoked Turkiye's intervention. Turkiye intervened reluctantly and only as a last resort after exhausting all other avenues consulting with Britain and Greece as the other two signatories to the treaty to protect the integrity of Cyprus. There simply was not any expansionist motivation in the Turkish action at all. This is in dramatic contrast to the Greek motivation which was openly expansionist, stated as 'Enosis,' union with Greece. Since the creation of independent Cyprus in 1960, the Turkish population, although smaller, legally had status as the co-founder of the republic with the Greek population. The Greek Cypriots, with the support of 'Enosis'-minded Greeks in the mainland, have consistently ignored that status and portrayed the Island as a Greek island with a minority population of Turks. The Turks of Cyprus are not a minority in a Greek Republic and they found the only way they could show that was to assert their autonomy in a separate republic. Turkiye is not satisfied with the status quo. She would rather not be involved with the island. But, given the dismal record of brutal Greek oppression of the Turkish population in Cyprus, she simply cannot leave the fate of the island's Turks in the hands of the Greeks until the Turkish side is satisfied with whatever accord the two communities finally reach to guarantee that history will not repeat itself to rob Turkish Cypriots of their rights, liberties and their very lives. Source: 'Cyprus: The Tale Of An Island,' A. H. Rizvi, p. 42 21-12-1963 Throughout Cyprus "Following the Greek Cypriot premeditated onslaught of 21 December, 1963, the Turkish Sectors all over Cyprus were completely besieged by Greeks; all telephonic, telegraphic and postal communications between these sectors were cut off and the Turkish Cypriot Community's contact with each other and with the outside world was thus prevented." 21-12-63 -- 31-12-63 Turkish Quarter of Nicosia and suburbs "Greek Cypriot armed elements broke into hundreds of Turkish homes and fired at the unarmed occupants with automatic weapons killing at random many Turks, including women, children and elderly persons (51 Turks were killed and 82 wounded). They also carried away as hostages more than 700 Turks, including women and children, whom they forced to walk bare-footed and in night-dresses across rough fields and river beds." 21-12-63 -- 12-12-64 Throughout Cyprus "The Greek Cypriot Administration deprived Turkish Cypriots including Ministers, MPs, and Turkish members of the Public services of the republic, of their right to freedom of movement." In his report No. S/6102 of 12 December, 1964 to the Security Council, the UN Secretary-General stated in this respect the following: "Restrictions on the free movement of civilians have been one of the major features of the situation in Cyprus since the early stages of the disturbances, these restrictions have inflicted considerable hardship on the population, especially the Turkish Cypriot Community, and have kept tension high." 25-9-1964 -- 31-3-1968 Throughout Cyprus "Supply of petrol was completely denied to the Turkish sections." Makarios Addresses UN Security Council On 19 July 1974 After being Ousted by the Greek Junta Coup "In the beginning I wish to express my sincere thanks to all the members of the Security Council for the great interest they have shown in the critical situation which has been created in Cyprus after the coup organized by the military regime in Greece and carried out by the Greek army officers who were serving in the National Guard and were commanding it. [..] 13-3-1975 On the road travelling to the South to the freedom of the North "A Turkish woman was seriously wounded and her four-month old baby was riddled with bullets from an automatic weapon fired by a Greek Cypriot mobile patrol which had ambushed the car in which the mother and her baby were travelling to the Turkish region. The baby died in her mother's arms. This wanton murder of a four-month-old baby, which shocked foreign observers as much as the Turkish Community, was not committed by irresponsible persons, but by members of the Greek Cypriot security forces. According to the mother's statement the Greek police patrol had chased their car and deliberately fired upon it." Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: > Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to > Pittsburgh? No. In what still, IMHO, ranks as the all-time greatest PR blunder (not to mention on-ice blunder) the Whalers ever committed, GM Eddie Johnston and Coach Rick Ley 'decided' that Francis was incapable as a leader and stripped him of the Captain's "C" in December of 1990. The whole organization (read: EJ and Ley, and by default owner Richard Gordon because he was too much of a dupe to know how much he was being blind-sided by EJ) dumped on Francis all season, starting with refusing to sign him to a new contract, publicly humiliating him, stripping him of the "C", and then trading him that Spring to the Penguins. Classy guy, that EJ. The loss of Francis (and too a lesser extent, Ulf), was one of a series of decimating player moves by EJ which stripped the personality and fan-awareness from the team that has put them in the precarious position they are in today. [Gratuitous good EJ note...he did preside over the organization when it acquired Verbeek, Cassels, Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, etc. He stripped the roster but he DID lay a foundation.] -SG (a real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder) -steveg@cadkey.com
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From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Subject: message from Space Digest X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 62 Press Release No.19-93 Paris, 22 April 1993 Users of ESA's Olympus satellite report on the outcome of their experiments "Today Europe's space telecommunications sector would not be blossoming as it now does, had OLYMPUS not provided a testbed for the technologies and services of the 1990s". This summarises the general conclusions of 135 speakers and 300 participants at the Conference on Olympus Utilisation held in Seville on 20-22-April 1993. The conference was organised by the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Spanish Centre for the Development of Industrial Technology (CDTI). OLYMPUS has been particularly useful : - in bringing satellite telecommunications to thousands of new users, thanks to satellite terminals with very small antennas (VSATs). OLYMPUS experiments have tested data transmission, videoconferencing, business television, distance teaching and rural telephony, to give but a few examples. - in opening the door to new telecommunications services which could not be accommodated on the crowded lower- frequency bands; OLYMPUS was the first satellite over Europe to offer capacity in the 20/30 GHz band. - in establishing two-way data relay links OLYMPUS received for the first time in Europe, over several months, high-volume data from a low-Earth orbiting spacecraft and then distributed it to various centres in Europe. When OLYMPUS was launched on 12 July 1989 it was the world's largest telecommunications satellite; and no other satellite has yet equalled its versatility in combining four different payloads in a wide variety of frequency bands. OLYMPUS users range from individual experimenters to some of the world's largest businesses. Access to the satellite is given in order to test new telecommunications techniques or services; over the past four years some 200 companies and organisations made use of this opportunity, as well as over 100 members of the EUROSTEP distance-learning organisation. As the new technologies and services tested by these OLYMPUS users enter the commercial market, they then make use of operational satellites such as those of EUTELSAT. OLYMPUS utilisation will continue through 1993 and 1994, when the spacecraft will run out of fuel as it approaches the end of its design life.
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From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 31 -- Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. As recommended, I had the bike compression tested. Compression was a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi). They said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low numbers (around 90). Does this sound right? Otherwise, the bike looked great. No signs of road rash, and no rust. This bike looks great! It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires. I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those who posted this other thread). This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes. ( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about the transmission and taking my chances. Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | |\/\/\/| ___________________ | | | | / \ | | | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ | | | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) | | C _) / \_____________________/ | | | ,___| / | | | / | | / __\ | | / \ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) Subject: comp.graphics.programmer Organization: Ostfold College Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc105 Hello netters Sorry, I don't know if this is the right way of doing this kind of thing, probably should be a CFV, but since I don't have tha ability to create a news group myself, I just want to start the discussion. I enjoy reading c.g very much, but I often find it difficult to sort out what I'm interested in. Everything from screen-drivers, graphics cards, graphics programming and graphics programs are discused here. What I'd like is a comp.graphics.programmer news group. What do you other think. Arff "Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values, who's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And often disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear a seeing man prizeing what he sees." Per Lagerkvist, The Fist (Free translation from Swedish) --Andreas Arff andreasa@dhhalden.no--
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From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: whale.st.usm.edu Organization: University of Southern Mississippi Lines: 145 First, I would like to say how much I appreciate having so literate and erudite an individual as Mr. Rutledge with whom to discuss this topic. Frankly, most anti-RKBA posters refuse even to approach the topic of the original understanding of the Bill of Rights as detailed in the writings of the era. This is most refreshing. Second, I must apologize for leaving the discussion for several days. My brigade's quarterly drill was this weekend and I needed to attend to several matters pertaining to the State Militia. Some people seem to feel that the concept of the Militia is an anachro- nism that is out of place in the 20th century. I'm not sure the Swiss would agree and I think perhaps a discussion of how the Militia, both organized and unorganized, fits into the defense plans of my State, Mississippi. Please do not assume that this describes something peculiar to one southern state. For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has a well organized Militia which, members report, maintains stocks of both riot guns and machine guns. The laws of other States will vary but are probably similar. Title 35 of Mississippi Code defines our Militia as "all able-bodied citizens of the state between the ages of seventeen (17) and sixty- two (62) years...". The Militia is divided into 3 classes: The National Guard, the Mississippi State Guard and the unorganized Militia. The National Guard is a strange sort of fish from a Constitutional perspective. It tries to be both State Militia and Federal Reserve. The discussion of this "para-constitutional" arrangement is quite interesting in itself but somewhat beyond the scope of this discussion. Suffice it that, at this date, the National Guard has ceased to have any Constitutional standing as anything but a Federal reserve force. Mississippi, and most other States, maintains a purely State organized Militia. In Mississippi this is called The State Guard. In other States it may be called something else. The State Guard exists as a cadre or training corps made up of mostly experienced officers and senior NCOs who serve as volunteers without compensation. We drill on a monthly basis at the company and battalion level, brigade once a quarter and have an annual drill of the whole organization. Our State-authorized cadre strength is 694. This is a skeleton of an organization without any flesh. The muscle and sinew when needed will come from the unorganized Militia. In time of invasion, insurrection or calamity the Governor can order the activation of the State Guard. When this takes place a call will first be made for volunteers to fill the organization out to either its contingency strength of 2194 or full strength of 4910. In the event that a sufficient number of people fail to volunteer, the law provides detailed instructions for the conducting of a draft of the unorganized Militia. The size of the State Guard is not specified by law, but rather by executive order. At one time, the organized Militia of Mississippi consisted of 68 regiments. Needless to say, the State does not have armories brimming with weapons with which to equip such a force. The historical precedent for arming such a force is by use of mostly the private arms of the Militiamen. It is my hope that demonstrates that State Militias are far from being the long dead anachronisms that some may wish to claim. >No, I simple stated that the people have a right to "join a well >organized militia." And I have also stated that a militia that >meets once or twice a year is clearly "well organized." And this >state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a "right" >to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated >by Hamilton. Regarding Hamilton: If you take Hamilton's opinion as being the sole representative of the opinions of the Founding Fathers, you will have chosen a highly skewed sample set. Hamilton was on the extreme Federalist end of the political spectrum. Others, such as Coxe and Henry, can be chosen to represent the other end. Many contemporaries felt that the idea of having a standing Army of any sort or even a select Militia or "train bands" were contrary to the egalitarian nature of the govern- ment they were striving to perfect. The compromise reached was to provide for a small Army, which had to be refinanced every two years, and iron-clad protection for the Militia, which was to remain ever, "terrible and irresistible". These protections included: State control, not Federal; limitation of Federal utilization of the Militia (i.e. execute Laws, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions), and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to prevent what the British had tried to do at Lexington. These limitations eventually proved so onerous to the Federal Govern- ment that they were skirted by the creation of the National Guard. The National Guard was created for one very simple reason: the Constitutional Militia was had proved too unreliable for fighting wars of imperial expansion. (e.g. Spanish-American War). The Constitution provided that the Militia could only be employed by the Federal government in very limited purposes. As far back as the War of 1812, Militia units had refused to leave United States territory to attack the enemy. Further, there was no Constitutional authorization for any conscription of anyone into the Federal Military and Militiamen were particularly protected. In all wars until WW-I every American who left the country under arms was a volunteer. When the National Guard acts of 1903-1916 required that each new member also enlist as a reservest in the Army, existing soldiers were "grandfathered". At least one of these "grandfathered" individuals refused to go to France in 1918 and his refusal was upheld by the Federal Courts. Mr. Rutledge has stated that the Second Amendment applies only to members of a "well organized" militia. However, the pre-Constitutional history of the American Militia shows relatively few periods when The Militia came close to meeting either Messrs. Rutledge or Hamilton's definition of "well organized". In the period of peace between the French & Indian War and The Revolution many companies simply stopped drilling and had to be reconstituted just prior to The Revolution. Perhaps Mr. Rutledge would care to argue that those of my ancestors who answered the Lexington alarm had forfeited their rights because their units didn't drill for a few years in the 1760s. I would not be so bold. Again, I wish to repeat. The National Guard, for all its merits, is not the Militia described by the Constitution nor by Mr. Hamilton nor by Mr. Henry nor by Mr. Coxe. The fact that the Federal Government and many States are delinquent in their attentions to and organizing of their Constitutional Militias diminishes neither their responsibilities nor the rights of the Militia as detailed in the Constitution. Misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of the Militia is but one error that has crept into modern readings of the Constitution. The Constitution prohibits States from keeping "Troops or Ships of War in time of Peace". I have heard some insist this prevents States from maintaining a Militia, but this comes about because people today do not understand the meanings of the words in their 18th century usage. Today we call any large vessel a "ship" but in the 18th century the word described a particular kind of vessel. A "ship" is a large vessel with three or more masts each carrying square rigged sails. A "brig" has two masts. In the contemporary usage the States were prohibited only from keeping the largest warships of the day, those capable of global operations. Today's equivalent might be a prohibition on the States' keeping nuclear missiles. "Troops" at this time meant a full-time professional military organization. Any study of contemporaneous writings will bear this out. In at least one respect, I am in agreement with Mr. Rutledge; being personally involved in the maintenance and advancement of The Militia as a viable means of defense for a modern society, I am frequently both bemused and saddened when friends and associates wax poetic on their place in the unorganized Militia and become strangely silent or scarce when invited to attend a drill of their State's Militia. -- Donald R. Newcomb * University of Southern Mississippi dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu * This is the way we tax and spend, tax dnewcomb@falcon.st.usm.edu * and spend. We're Democrats in office.
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From: mark@ardnt1.res.utc.COM (MARK STUCKY) Subject: Re: Need PD X-Y Plot Package Organization: The Internet Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.COM Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.EDU "Steve" == Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm <spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.COM> writes: Steve> Folks, Steve> I'm looking for a Public Domain X-Y plotting package for X. Steve> I need basic capabilities (axes, labels, log and linear, &c). Steve> It's hard to imagine that someone has not put such a thing Steve> together, so I'm hoping to avoid reinventing the wheel. Steve> Thanks for any leads! Steve> Steve Frysinger Your might take a look a PLPLOT. Version 4.99c (actually beta v5.0) can be found anonymous ftp from hagar.ph.utexas.edu, in the pub/plplot directory. --Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Stucky | Email: | | United Technologies Research Center | mark@ardnt1.res.utc.com | | East Hartford, CT. |or mbs@rcinet.res.utc.com | | 06108 |or mbs@utrc.res.utc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the README file of version 4.99c: This is the PLPLOT distribution. PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), including a portable metafile format and renderer. The PLPLOT package is freely distributable, but NOT in the public domain. The PLPLOT source code, except header files and those files explicitly granting permission, may not be used in a commercial software package without consent of the authors. You are allowed and encouraged to include the PLPLOT object library and header files in a commercial package provided that: (1) it is explicitly and prominently stated that the PLPLOT library is freely available, and (2) the full copyrights on the PLPLOT package be displayed somewhere in the documentation for the package. We welcome suggestions on how to improve this code, especially in the form of user-contributed enhancements or bug fixes. If PLPLOT is used in any published papers, please include an acknowledgment or citation of our work, which will help us to continue improving PLPLOT. Also, please remember that as PLPLOT is not a commercial product, we cannot be expected to offer the kind of support that a commercial product may. There is great interest in extending PLPLOT and fixing bugs, but the principal authors can only afford to work on it part time. Improvements will necessarily focus on those which help us get our work done. PLPLOT is written in C, enabling it to run on many platforms practically without modification. Fortran programs may use it transparently; stub routines are provided to handle the C<->Fortran interface without any modification of the user program. C programs are required to include the header file "plplot.h"; see the documentation for more details. The main documentation for PLPLOT is in the doc/ directory in the form of several TeX files; please consult this for additional information ('latex plotdoc'). Unfortunately documentation tends to lag actual improvements to the code, so don't be surprised if some known features are not explained there. Consult 'Changes.log' to see a list of recent changes. At present, PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: Unix: SunOS A/IX HP-UX Unicos DG/UX Ultrix SysV Linux Amiga/Exec MS-DOS OS/2 NeXT For more information on how to get or use PLPLOT on your system, see: - appendices to the PLPLOT manual - system-specific documentation in the appropriate sys/<system> directory. To become a subscriber to the PLPLOT mailing list, send a request to plplot-request@dino.ph.utexas.edu. CREDITS ------- PLPLOT is the result of the effort of many people, so it is impractical to list all the contributors. Those currently supporting and otherwise responsible for the package in its present form include: Maurice LeBrun Please send all comments, flames, patches, etc, to me. I am responsible for all the PLPLOT kernel development as well as most of the work on the metafile, xwindow, xterm, postscript, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. EMAIL mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Dr. Maurice LeBrun Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Geoff Furnish Please send questions regarding the MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers to Geoff. EMAIL furnish@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Geoff Furnish Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Tony Richardson Creator of PLPLOT 2.6b, 3.0 Please send questions regarding installation of PLPLOT on the NeXT to Tony. EMAIL amr@egr.duke.edu USMAIL Tony Richardson Tony Richardson 184 Electrical Engineering 2920 Chapel Hill Road Apt. 41-D Duke University Durham, NC 27707 Durham, NC 27706 ph 919-684-5274 ph 919-493-1609
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From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: disabling all power management interrupts Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all News-Software: Usenet 3.1 Lines: 21 Could someone please do one of the following: 1. Point to an init that allows me to turn off power management on my Duo 210. 1. Write an init that would allow me to turn off ALL power management on Duo 210. 2. Point me to documentation on power management so that I can write such an init. 3. Explain to me why such an init is totally or partially impossible. Ideally, of course, I would like to be able to turn in on and off on the fly. Surely such an init would be very helpful to Powerbook owners who want to do MIDI... I cannot imagine why it is not possible to do, unless it requires Apple to divluge some secret. And if that is the case, the surely APPLE could write the init. (Unless Apple brings out new models so fast these days that even THEY don't know how they work). Scott Petrack Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com
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From: miyoshi@psych.toronto.edu (Hiroto Miyoshi) Subject: Qestion about amipro demo files on cica Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Distribution: na Lines: 18 Hello I have a question about the demo files for amipro v3 uploaded in cica. I downloaded it and tryied to install it. However, it didn't work. In addition, it altered or eliminated my NWRES2.dll file so that I had to reinstall my Norton Desktop again. Is there anything I have to know to install it or do I eventually have to ask Lotus to send a working model to me (I heard that they have it)? I just want to see its look and feel before buying it. Any pointer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Hiroto miyoshi@psych.toronto.edu
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From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: TEAM POOL - Tabulations Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 40 Thanks for the 41 people who have entered this year's TEAM POOL. Here is a summary of what was picked: 1st Round: Pittsburgh 41, New Jersey 0 Chicago 40, St. Louis 1 Boston 40, Buffalo 1 Vancouver 30, Winnipeg 11 Calgary 27, Los Angeles 14 Detroit 26, Toronto 15 Washington 24, New York Islanders 15 (2 people picked New Jersey) Quebec 23, Montreal 18 2nd Round: Pittsburgh 38, Washington 2, New York Islanders 1 Boston 31, Quebec 6, Montreal 4 Detroit 21, Chicago 15, Toronto 5 Calgary 18, Vancouver 14, Los Angeles 8, Winnipeg 1 3rd Round: Pittsburgh 31, Boston 7, Quebec 2, Washington 1 Detroit 18, Chicago 11, Toronto 5, Vancouver 3, Calgary 2, Los Angeles 2 Finals: Pittsburgh 26, Boston 5, Detroit 4, Toronto 2, Quebec 2, Los Angeles 1, Chicago 1 Good luck to all! ******************************************************************************* * Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, * * mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * * A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. * * over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce * ******************************************************************************* * University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? * *******************************************************************************
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From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 15 In article <Mar.17.02.04.45.1993.23612@athos.rutgers.edu> jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: |There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled "The Seventh Day |Adventist Church believes", or something like that. It is a basic |coverage of the 30 ideas that SDA's hold to. For further info about it, |please write me later (once I get the actual title and/or copyright |date) or Celia Chan, cmchan@amber.ucs.indiana.edu, because she first |"introduced" me to the book (I must also add that she is NOT a member of |the SDA anymore). The book is called "27 basic fundamental beliefs" or something very close to that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at school.) Tammy
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From: ykhan@gandalf.ca (Yousuf Khan) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd. Lines: 36 In <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.171250.486@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super >dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Yeah, there is absolutely no use for VLB except for video graphics. And no IDE could possibly take advantage the VLB, because it runs at 8 Mhz and 16 bits. Do people forget that the IDE was specifically designed to interface directly with the AT ISA bus? We've seen IDEs come out for EISA, XT ISA, and now even MCA, but at all times it was a 16 bit standard, running at somewhere near 8-10 Mhz. When you run an IDE off of the VLB, there's no way that you're running it at 33 Mhz, it would burn up. Of course same goes for SCSI, ESDI, whatever, none of them run at CPU speed. The only way to gain advantage with a VLB IDE is to hook it up to a caching controller. I suspect it would be much, much better to get a software disk cache instead, since you get write-caching as well. >because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. I've seen some Fuji IDE drives going as high as 1G. Yousuf Khan
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: Getting Off to an Early Start! Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 60 In article <04.17.93b@eecs.nwu.edu> ptownson <ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu> writes: >So ... the Jury will be making its announcement at 7:00 AM Saturday >morning Pacific Time .... 10:00 AM Eastern Time. Why such an ungodly >hour? > >I guess its because the news is not what the government wanted to hear; >Either the police officers have been found innocent - or - after a week, >the jury is hung ... neither good news from the government's point of >view, as they desparately needed some scapegoats in Los Angeles. Wrong on both accounts. >Maybe by making the announcement at 7:00 AM on the west coast, they >figure all the rioters will be asleep, giving the troops time to move >into place. No one is a "rioter" until they participate in a "riot", which is unlikely to happen, now. Most of the *people* in L.A. are likely to have gotten up early to listen to the court announcement. >I guess we can look forward to a weekend of rioting, eh? Sorry to disappoint you, but this seems unlikely. >The Mayor of >Los Angeles, in a press conference about 3:00 AM Saturday morning, in >announcing that the jury would give its verdict later this morning >(just an hour away as I write this) would not say what that verdict >is, but I think he was told ... in his press conference he said >"anyone rioting will be stopped dead in their tracks ..." I don't think he was told. However, his statement was still appropriate. >Meanwhile, following the announcement of the jury's verdict, the >judge, jury and assorted court personnel will be evacuated from the >building via helicopters landing on the roof of the courthouse. They >can't even walk out through the front door with their heads held >high. Jury duty is a solemn duty to be taken seriously. It is not meant to be a source of pride or instant fame. >Won't the rioters have a surprise waiting for them when they wake up >later today! Well, the many *people* who got up early to go to the court to hear the verdict found that justice was served. Given your dire and cynical predictions, I imagine that it is you who will be surprised. :-) > > >Patrick Townson --
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From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) Subject: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 55 Environment: mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) OS : SunOS 4.1.3 X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) Motif : 1.2.2 I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion to X server lost): 1. xinit -- Xsun 2. start mwm 3. start a client with a 100dpi/75dpi font. 4. move the window by dragging the title bar. The server dumps core due to SIGPIPE. One of the two messages is printed: "Connection to X server lost" or "Connection broken (errno=32)" (I believe the first is reported by a client and the second by the server itself). Next, I ran xdm in debug level = 5. After the same set of actions, xdm reports: select returns -1 Server for :0 terminated unexpectedly: status 2560 Note: * The problem doesn't occur with other window managers (twm or olwm). * I have not set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. * I am not running font server. * If I start the client with fixed width font, I do not see this problem. * My font path: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi (I did mkfontdir in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/PEX, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, and in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc). * This problem seems to occur only on IPX machines. I do not see this problem on IPC workstations. Questions: * What the hell is goin on ? :-) * What does "status 2560" mean (of the server). I'd greatly appreciate any hints as to the cause of the problem. --- S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 37 Benedikt Rosenau (I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de) wrote: : When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers : act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction. : Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does : not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than : the existence of the object of their belief. : : : Have you read the FAQ already? : Benedikt Benedikt, I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is nothing contradictory here. To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course). Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see your version of this better alternative just the same. Bill
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/- Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.190650.28940@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >The Jets use the "breakaway pass" scheme to create a scoring sensation >in order to generate interest. If teams score as many or more goals >against Winnipeg when Selanne is on the ice as Winnipeg scores when >he is on the ice then I can't see how his contribution can be described >as impressive. Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't count? Neither do Selanne's... >The object of the game is not to feed Selanne - it is >to win. And feeding Selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way >to winning. Knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding Selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning. >Pat Burns wouldn't have a goal suck like this on his team. You're worried about Teemu when you have Glenn Anderson on your team? >We DON'T KNOW what Selanne does best. We do know what Jet's management >wants. And again, the object of the exercise is not to allow Selanne to >do what he does best, it is to win hockey games. What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. >As it is now, Selanne >is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >Messiah had returned... Nope, didn't see it. I was too busy watching Foligno jump up and down after _his_ goal....
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From: ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com (Koji Kodama) Subject: >>>WANTED: Your opinions on the Insight Talon TA-1000 or TA-2000 Multimedia kits<<< Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.7.248.49 Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas Lines: 47 For those of you who might be familiar with Insight Distribution Network, Inc. and their Multimedia Kits: I'm seriously considering buying the Insight Talon TA-2000 MM Kit, which is bundled with the CD-ROM drive with 265-280ms access time, 300Kb dtr, multispin, multi-session Photo CD capability, etc., and with the PAS-16 sound card, etc.... (if you are familiar with Insight, you know the kit I mean). I believe the drive is either a Texel (265ms) or an NEC (280ms), but it is not clear to me which one is actually a part of the bundle (at least two of their sales people couldn't give me a straight answer as to which one; ah, yes, one of the drawbacks of OEM!). Other questions: - Excuse my ignorance, but is "Texel" a reputable maker in the CD-ROM market? Or do you think NEC is the better drive? - Bottom line: Is this kit worth the money? (Currently, $449 for the TA-1000, and $699 for the TA-2000) Alternatively, I was thinking that the TA-2000 might be overkill for my uses (however, I *do* want full multimedia capabilities, Photo CD stuff, educational programs for my kids, etc.), and considered the lower-end TA-1000 kit and using the difference (around $250.00) to get something else useful, like a tape back-up drive unit. Basically, I would just like to hear from those who have actually USED these kits, and whatever pros/cons you might advise, preferably directly to the email address below. Thanks, Koji 2 _/ ~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | _/ _/ | Koji Kodama | | by _/ _/ | Nippon Motorola Ltd. | | _/ _/ | ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com | | _/ _/ |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | _/_/ _/ | NOTE: The opinions expressed herein | | _/ _/ | are mine, and do not reflect the opinions | | _/ _/ |or policies of Motorola Inc. or its affiliates.| ~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _/_/_/
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From: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation Lines: 20 caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes: >There evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with Mithras. I >have often wondered if Yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to >expand the appeal of his religion, or if it was appropriated by later >worshipers. > You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very Jewish ritual. The fact that there appears to be an abuse in the early Church of people eating too much (a very real concern with some Passover meals) and not treating the meal with respect, shows the simplifying of the ritual to just bread and wine to be a way of dealing with the inherent problems of people's human nature, and trying to keep the essentials of the remembrance aspects. David (whitten@fwva.saic.com) US:(619)535-7764 [I don't speak as a company rep.]
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From: jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel) Subject: Re: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 Lines: 36 schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes: >I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been >doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got >over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a >transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? Yeah. I don't use the clutch all the time either. I've done it with Fords, BMW, Datsun, and Chevy and it works fine. I can't think of any reason that it would damage the tranny. Essentially you are just doing what the synchros do anyhow - match the engine speed with the tranny speed and slip it into gear. >On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so >worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. >To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where >harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother >quicker & easier they where to shift. >My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently >wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, >I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless >shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some >times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. Sounds about right. I usually slip it out during throttle-down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right (usually about a second) and then slip it into gear... >krispy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "You obviously don't know who you're dealing with" Gross jong@halcyon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------