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8500 | From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: Re: Every Lent He suffers to save us
Organization: trunking_fixed
Lines: 17
Correction:
|The story I related is one of the seven apparitions
|approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened
|in La Salle, France.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That should be La Salette, France, 1846.
I must admit, geography is not my forte.
|[...]
|Once again, the Lamb succeeds.
-Marida
"...spreading God's words through actions..."
-Mother Teresa
|
8501 | From: mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Gordon)
Subject: Otronics Attache luggable info needed
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 19
Hi all,
I'm looking for some info regarding an old pcmade by Otronics (or
maybe Oltronics) called the Attache. This little beauty is an 8088
/ Z80 luggable with a 4 or 5 inch screen (monochrome CGA) and 2 360
floppies.
For serial ports it has 2 DB-15 connectors (one is labled 'printer')
and I can't figure out the pinouts for them. I also don't know if they
are standard com ports addressable as COM1 and COM2. I have figured out
that they'll only work with DOS 2.something.
If anyone can give me some pointers on this one, I'd be most
appreciative. Please reply via email, as I can't keep up with news
lately. (Finals are coming up you know :( )
Thanks much,
Mike Gordon N9LOI mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu
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8502 | From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one
>to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the
>spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used!
I have just a couple of questions about this technique.
First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer
finger or my pinky? Left hand or right?
And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted
for. Any suggestions?
/andy
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8503 | From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Lines: 147
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com
In article <C5tnGt.224@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
writes:
> In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
Arras) writes:
> >In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
> >writes:
> >> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
> >Arras) writes:
> >> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
> >> >writes:
> >> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come
> >> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and
> >> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear
> >gassed.
> >> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to
> >> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.
> >>
> >> Unworthy of comment.
> >
> >But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course.
>
> So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-)
>
Still mastering the language, eh? Notice the use of "apparently".
> >> >Humans died
> >> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the
> >> >actions
> >> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them.
> >>
> >> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.
> >> That is undeniable truth.
> >
> >No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the
> >gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this
as
> >the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that
if
> >they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.
>
> You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people
> have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff.
>
> And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you
> can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the
> FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days.
>
I'm not denying that at all. But every day is another chance for a good
ending, why push it? Mr. Roby, you are going to die, anyway, why not today?
Every moment of life is precious.
> >> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for
> >> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities
> >> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious
devotion
> >> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up
> >> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.
> >
> >My heart "bleeds" for no one. You are the "bleeding heart". And I'm sure
> >beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do.
You
> >can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.
>
> I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense.
No, you are the heartless "bleeding heart". A flaming liberal who "cares
deeply", who "feels your pain".
> You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this
> compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless
> to me.
>
You have continually raised this issue, without any understanding of the bonds
between parent and child. It is not easy to say a final goodbye to your
children, I do not think I could do it, either. If that makes me heartless, so
be it. How many children do you have? I have three.
> I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't
> stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me
> sad and sick.
>
It just makes me sad. I never claimed Koresh was an angel.
> >> >You seem to say
> >> >they got what they deserved.
> >>
> >> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in
> >> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they
> >> wanted and put into motion themselves.
> >
> >"they got what they wanted". What kind of creature are you that you can
> >believe this?
>
> Have you ever heard of Jonestown?
> The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority
> worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these
> people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot
> more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as
> last year.
>
I made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back. And once
again, Jonestown, however sick it was, was doing OK, until "the Authorities"
showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge.
A bull in a china shop.
> >> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely
> >> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the
affair
> >> from the start.
> >
> >We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.
>
> By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too.
> BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-)
>
Nope, the constitution in total is, for me. If you think the RKBA is all I'm
about, you misjudge me.
> >> >Jim
> >> >--
> >> >jmd@handheld.com
> >>
>
>
> --
>
Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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8504 | From: eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Peter Kondis)
Subject: Physics lab LOSES a number!!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Summary: I need a pointer address for one of those weird graphics modes.
Keywords: VGA
Lines: 10
Please , I need the starting address (pointer) for the beginning
of the color information (RGB) on VGA mode 68h (that's 68 hex, gee,
duh!)...
Thanks SOOOO much (hugs and kisses) in advance.....
.....John (at UCI)
e-mail---> eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu
|
8505 | From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Lines: 9
In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a
>s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza
>k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the
> way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref
>ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.
What gives the United States the right to keep Washington D.C.?
|
8506 | From: etobkkc@etn.ericsson.se (Karlsen Bjorn)
Subject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made?
In-Reply-To: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 17:26:28 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: aliboats.etn.ericsson.se
Reply-To: etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson AS
Lines: 27
35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial
>port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the
>serial port.
>
>Thanks for any help.
From a recent BYTE magazine i got the following:
[Question and part of the answer deleted]
If you are handy with a soldering iron, the loopback plugs are easy to
make. On a serial RS-232 nine-pin port, use a female DB-9 connector and
connect pins 1 to 7 to 8; 2 to 3; and 4 to 6 to 9. For serial RS-232
25-pin ports, you'll need a female DB-25 connector with pins 1 to 7;
2 to 3; 4 to 5 to 8; 6 to 11 to 20 to 22; 15 to 17 to 23; and 18 to 25
connected. To test a Centronics 25-pin parallel port, you'll need to
connect pins 1 to 13; 2 to 15; 10 to 16; 11 to 17; and 12 to 14 in a male
DB-25 connector.
-Stan Wszola
---
I haven't tried it. Use at own risk.
-KKC- etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se
|
8507 | From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer?
Article-I.D.: cup.C51Cv1.MLL
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: writer.cup.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1]
HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote:
: Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up
: to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get
: additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of
: computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch?
: Thanks in advance.
I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One
of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I
read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank
VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank
has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your
monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims.
Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info
to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and
then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register
pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration.
--Ken
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8508 | From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 23
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Keywords: HST
SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning
that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission.
How will said re-boost be done?
Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude,
unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays,
then return to earth?
My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost?
why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled
thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be
cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that
they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry
an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array
tilt motor fix.
pat
|
8509 | From: atom@netcom.com (Allen Tom)
Subject: Re: Dumb options list
Organization: Sirius Cybernetics Corporation - Complaints
Lines: 22
In article <93Apr16.185044.18431@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you
>get on a car that has no earthly use?
>
>
>1) Power windows
I like my power windows. I think they're worth it.
However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point?
If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on
the rear-view mirror for cops, right?
Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have
to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave
it like that.
--
+-------=Allen Tom=-------+ "You're not like the others... You like the same
| atom@soda.berkeley.edu | things I do... Wax paper... Boiled football
| atom@netcom.com | leather... Dog breath... WE'RE NOT HITCHHIKING
+-------------------------+ ANYMORE... WE'RE RIDING!" -- ren
|
8510 | From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: Benediktine Metaphysics
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Lines: 45
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu
In article <66019@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>Benedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority:
>
>> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST.
>
>"Contradictory" is a property of language. If I correct this to
>
> THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST
>
>I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to
>
> THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST
>
>then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in
>description are merely failures in description.
How about this description: "An object that is, at one time, both a
Euclidean square and a Euclidean circle"? I hold that no object satisfying
this description could exist. The description is inconsistent, and hence
describes an object that could not exist.
Now, suppose someone pointed to a bicycle, and said, "That object is,
at one time, both a Euclidean square and a Euclidean circle." This does
not mean that the bicycle does not exist, it measn that the description
was incorrectly applied.
The atheist says, "The descriptions of God that I have been presented with
are contradictory, and hence describe something that cannot exist."
Now, your position (so far as I can gather) is that God exists, but the
descriptions atheists have been presented with are simply bad descriptions
of It.
This is roughly analogous to someone who has never seen a bicycle, and,
when they ask for a description from people who claim to have seen one,
are told that it is a "Euclidean circle-square". Can they be blamed for
doubting rather strongly that this 'bicycle' exists at all?
>(I'm not an objectivist, remember.)
No kidding. :->
Sincerely,
Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu
"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the
stars!" - Robert A. Heinlein
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8511 | From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)
Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Mon, April 5, 1993
Article-I.D.: jupiter.1993Apr6.131610.17465
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Lines: 39
Hartford 1 1 3--5
NY Rangers 1 2 1--4
First period
1, Hartford, Cunneyworth 5 (Janssens, Greig) 12:21.
2, NY Rangers, Graves 34 (Turcotte, Zubov) 18:39.
Second period
3, NY Rangers, Kovalev 19 (Turcotte, Graves) 2:12.
4, Hartford, Sanderson 44 (Cassels) pp, 4:54.
5, NY Rangers, Amonte 30 (Andersson, Vanbiesbrouck) pp, 19:13.
Third period
6, NY Rangers, M.Messier 25 (Amonte, Andersson) 2:26.
7, Hartford, Sanderson 45 (Cassels) sh, 5:23.
8, Hartford, Nylander 6 (Ladouceur) 8:35.
9, Hartford, Verbeek 36 (Zalapski) 17:43.
Hartford: 5 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Cassels 0 2 2
Cunneyworth 1 0 1
Greig 0 1 1
Janssens 0 1 1
Ladouceur 0 1 1
Nylander 1 0 1
Sanderson 2 0 2
Verbeek 1 0 1
Zalapski 0 1 1
NY Rangers: 4 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Amonte 1 1 2
Andersson 0 2 2
Graves 1 1 2
Kovalev 1 0 1
Messier M 1 0 1
Turcotte 0 2 2
Vanbiesbrouck 0 1 1
Zubov 0 1 1
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8512 | From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 12
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu
In article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just
>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions
>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from
>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.
Note that TEMPEST is the name of the shielding standard. TEMPEST is not
the name of the surveillance technique.
Ken Shirriff shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
Disclaimer: this is what I've heard and it's in the sci.crypt FAQ, so it's
probably true but I can't guarantee it. I'd like to know if I'm wrong.
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8513 | From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : (
Organization: George Washington University
Lines: 19
Hey now. First of all, sorry to post this DOS question in a WINDOWS
group, but I'm in kinda a hurry, so I can't scramble to find the dos
groups' names.
Anyway, anyone know where I ccan find the exit codes to DOS commands?
the manual doesn't seem to have all of them. I'm particularly looking
for COPY, in order to make a "move" batch file, such that if the file
wasn't coppied properly, it won't be deleted.
please e'mail louray@seas.gwu.edu
Thanks, I.A,
Mickey
--
pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu
ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray
|||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*
\\\\ | "well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong.."(gd)
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8514 | From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 21
In article <sandvik-140493185248@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>
>This is the reason I like the controversy of post-modernism, the
>issues of polarities -- evil and good -- are just artificial
>constructs, and they fall apart during a closer inspection.
>
>The more I look into the notion of a constant struggle between
>the evil and good forces, the more it sounds like a metaphor
>that people just assume without closer inspection.
>
More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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8515 | From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Keywords: NHL, awards
Lines: 67
In article <1993Apr15.190132.29787@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out
> the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on,
> Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant.
> Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams
> is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two
> goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good
> teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context
> of comparing two goaltenders.
Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd
take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1
netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than
that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records
are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as
the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season.
You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well
be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in
those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh,
the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose.
> The same
> for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a
> great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If
> you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by.
But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play
for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just
my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that
about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm
batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era.
As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the
offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the
save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't
get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's
what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the
shooter to beat him.
> But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie
> stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel
> doesn't have a game like that in him.
I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on
opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending
champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was
senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a
Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game
and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are
part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts.
Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and
I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current
7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I
don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any
tickets next season:-).
\ \
Joe Dakes \/\
AT&T Microelectronics \/\
555 Union Boulevard \ \
Allentown, PA 18103 LET'S GO FLYERS!
alux1!jmd \ \
jmd@aluxpo.att.com \ \__________
\____/_//__/
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8516 | From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)
Subject: Space FAQ 15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services
Supersedes: <launchers_730956689@cs.unc.edu>
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Lines: 195
Distribution: world
Expires: 6 May 1993 20:02:47 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu
Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions
Archive-name: space/launchers
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $
ORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES
The following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch
Systems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition.
Notes:
* Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm
orbit.
* Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a
familiy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when
applicable
* Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change.
* Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles
which have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle
had first launch after publication of my data, it may still be
marked with an asterisk.
Vehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site
(nation) | LEO Polar GTO | | | (Lat. & Long.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ariane 35/40 87.5% Kourou
(ESA) (5.2 N, 52.8 W)
AR40 4,900 3,900 1,900 1/1 $65m
(10,800) (8,580) (4,190)
AR42P 6,100 4,800 2,600 1/1 $67m
(13,400) (10,600) (5,730)
AR44P 6,900 5,500 3,000 0/0 ? $70m
(15,200) (12,100) (6,610)
AR42L 7,400 5,900 3,200 0/0 ? $90m
(16,300) (13,000) (7,050)
AR44LP 8,300 6,600 3,700 6/6 $95m
(18,300) (14,500) (8,160)
AR44L 9,600 7,700 4,200 3/4 $115m
(21,100) (16,900) (9,260)
* AR5 18,000 ??? 6,800 0/0 $105m
(39,600) (15,000)
[300nm]
Atlas 213/245 86.9% Cape Canaveral
(USA) (28.5 N, 81.0W)
Atlas E -- 820 -- 15/17 $45m Vandeberg AFB
(1,800) (34.7 N, 120.6W)
Atlas I 5,580 4,670 2,250 1/1 $70m
(12,300) (10,300) (4,950)
Atlas II 6,395 5,400 2,680 0/0 $75m
(14,100) (11,900) (5,900)
Atlas IIA 6,760 5,715 2,810 0/0 $85m
(14,900) (12,600) (6,200)
* Atlas IIAS 8,390 6,805 3,490 0/0 $115m
(18,500) (15,000) (7,700)
Delta 189/201 94.0% Cape Canaveral
(USA) Vandenberg AFB
Delta 6925 3,900 2,950 1,450 14/14 $45m
(8,780) (6,490) (3,190)
Delta 7925 5,045 3,830 1,820 1/1 $50m
(11,100) (8,420) (2,000)
Energia 2/2 100% Baikonur
(Russia) (45.6 N 63.4 E)
Energia 88,000 80,000 ??? 2/2 $110m
(194,000) (176,000)
H series 22/22 100% Tangeshima
(Japan) (30.2 N 130.6 E)
* H-2 10,500 6,600 4,000 0/0 $110m
(23,000) (14,500) (8,800)
Kosmos 371/377 98.4% Plestek
(Russia) (62.8 N 40.1 E)
Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000) $??? Kapustin Yar
[400 km orbit ??? inclination] (48.4 N 45.8 E)
Long March 23/25 92.0% Jiquan SLC
(China) (41 N 100 E)
* CZ-1D 720 ??? 200 0/0 $10m Xichang SLC
(1,590) (440) (28 N 102 E)
Taiyuan SLC
CZ-2C 3,200 1,750 1,000 12/12 $20m (41 N 100 E)
(7,040) (3,860) (2,200)
CZ-2E 9,200 ??? 3,370 1/1 $40m
(20,300) (7,430)
* CZ-2E/HO 13,600 ??? 4,500 0/0 $???
(29,900) (9,900)
CZ-3 ??? ??? 1,400 6/7 $33m
(3,100)
* CZ-3A ??? ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m
(5,500)
CZ-4 4,000 ??? 1,100 2/2 $???m
(8,800) (2,430)
Pegasus/Taurus 2/2 100% Peg: B-52/L1011
(USA) Taur: Canaveral
Pegasus 455 365 125 2/2 $10m or Vandenberg
(1,000) (800) (275)
* Taurus 1,450 1,180 375 0/0 $15m
(3,200) (2,600) (830)
Proton 164/187 87.7% Baikonour
(Russia)
Proton 20,000 ??? 5,500 164/187 $35-70m
(44,100) (12,200)
SCOUT 99/113 87.6% Vandenberg AFB
(USA) Wallops FF
SCOUT G-1 270 210 54 13/13 $12m (37.9 N 75.4 W)
(600) (460) (120) San Marco
(2.9 S 40.3 E)
* Enhanced SCOUT 525 372 110 0/0 $15m
(1,160) (820) (240)
Shavit 2/2 100% Palmachim AFB
(Israel) ( ~31 N)
Shavit ??? 160 ??? 2/2 $22m
(350)
Space Shuttle 37/38 97.4% Kennedy Space
(USA) Center
Shuttle/SRB 23,500 ??? 5,900 37/38 $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W)
(51,800) (13,000) [FY88]
* Shuttle/ASRM 27,100 ??? ??? 0/0
(59,800)
SLV 2/6 33.3% SHAR Center
(India) (400km) (900km polar) (13.9 N 80.4 E)
ASLV 150 ??? ??? 0/2 $???m
(330)
* PSLV 3,000 1,000 450 0/0 $???m
(6,600) (2,200) (990)
* GSLV 8,000 ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m
(17,600) (5,500)
Titan 160/172 93.0% Cape Canaveral
(USA) Vandenberg
Titan II ??? 1,905 ??? 2/2 $43m
(4,200)
Titan III 14,515 ??? 5,000 2/3 $140m
(32,000) (11,000)
Titan IV/SRM 17,700 14,100 6,350 3/3 $154m-$227m
(39,000) (31,100) (14,000)
Titan IV/SRMU 21,640 18,600 8,620 0/0 $???m
(47,700) (41,000) (19,000)
Vostok 1358/1401 96.9% Baikonur
(Russia) [650km] Plesetsk
Vostok 4,730 1,840 ??? ?/149 $14m
(10,400) (4,060)
Soyuz 7,000 ??? ??? ?/944 $15m
(15,400)
Molniya 1500kg (3300 lbs) in ?/258 $???M
Highly eliptical orbit
Zenit 12/13 92.3% Baikonur
(Russia)
Zenit 13,740 11,380 4,300 12/13 $65m
(30,300) (25,090) (9,480)
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8517 | From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas
Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics
Lines: 25
In article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
>
>
>To: shaig@Think.COM
>
>Subject: Ten questions to Israelis
>
>Dear Shai,
>
>Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory.
So why don't ypu sue him.
----
Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics
Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A
Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301
"Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."
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8518 | From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky)
Subject: Go Hizbollah II!
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host: purple.cc.utexas.edu
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Lines: 28
From Israel Line, Thursday, April 22, 1993:
Today's HA'ARETZ reports that three women were injured when a
Katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community. The rocket
was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the Galilee in
northern Israel yesterday by the terrorist Hizbullah organization [...]
In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu
(Brad Hernlem) wrote:
Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every
Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral
bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli
government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.
Apparently, the Hizbollah were encouraged by Brad's cheers
(good job, Brad). Someone forgot to tell them, though, that
Brad asks them to place only Israeli _sons_ in the grave,
not daughters. Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that
the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's
holding to the security zone.
Noam
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8519 | From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)
Subject: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, etc.. For Sale
Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.
Lines: 460
NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu
Updated April 17, 1993.
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8520 | From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Keywords: MSG, Glu
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
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In article <1993Apr17.202011.21443@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.184435.19725@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>
>There has been NO hard info provided about MSG making people ill.
>That's the point, after all.
Why don't you just look it up in the Merk? Or check out the medical dictionary
cite which a doctor mentioned earlier in this thread?
>
>That's because these "peer-reviewed" studies are not addressing
>the effects of MSG in people, they're looking at animal models.
>You can't walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and
>doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects
>demonstrated in humans. Note that I wouldn't have any argument
>with a statement like "noting that animal administration has pro-
>duced the following [blah, blah], we must be careful about its
>use in humans." This is precisely NOT what you said.
Among others, see Olney's "Excitotoxic Food Aditives - Relevance of
Animal Studies to Human Safety" (1982) Neurobehav. Toxicol. Teratol.
vol 6: 455-462.
I'm sure PETA would love to hear your arguments.
>>Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a
>>study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu
>>and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC.
>>Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies,
>>for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works
>>that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain
>>injection bunk.
>
>It most certainly is for neurotoxicology. You know, studies of
>glutamate involve more than "food science".
Whose talking about "food science"? What is this comment supposed to
mean? *Neurotoxicology and Tratology*, *Brain Research*, *Nature*,
*Progress in Brain Research*: all fine food science journals. ;-)
>>Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the
>>journals? Have you done a thorough literature search?
>
>So, point us to the studies in humans, please. I'm familiar with
>the literature, and I've never seen any which relate at all to
>Olney's work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons.
Then you would know that Olney himself has casually referred to
"Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" in a few articles. Why don't *you* point
us to some studies? Maybe then this exchange could be productive.
>>The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids.
>>Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine.
>
>Well, actually, they HAVE to tolerate some phenylalanine; it's a
>essential amino acid. They just try to get as little as is healthy
>without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites
>in the blood.
They're unable to metabolise it.
>>Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount
>>of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods,
>>vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged
>>soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin
>>for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed
>>foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose.
>
>Goodness, I'm not saying that it's good to feed infants a lot of
>glutamate-supplemented foods. It's just that this "projected safety
>margin" is a construct derived from animal models and given that,
>you can "prove" anything you like. We're talking prudent policy in
>infant nutrition here, yet you're misrepresenting it as received wisdom.
Who said anything about 'received wisdom'? There is no question that
orally administered doses of MSG are capable of destroying nearly all
neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus and the median
eminence. These areas are responsible for the production of
hormones critical to normal neuroendocrine function and the normal
development of the vertabrate organism. Humans are vertebrates. Now
what, pray tell, do you think will happen when the area of the brain
necessary for the normal rhythm of gonadotropin release is missing?
Are you trying to say that humans have no need of their pituitary,
ANH, and ME, of that part of the brain that is responsible for
controlling the realease (albeit indirectly) of estradiol and testosterone?
How do you expect anyone to do the studies on this? It's unethical to
"sacrifice" humans to check out what effects chronic, acute, etc doses
of these compounds are having on the brain tissue in humans. The food
industry knows this. That's why the animal model is used in medicine
and psych. If you're talking about straight sensitivity, it would be
useful to define the term. There are plenty of studies on
psychoneuroimmunology showing the link between attitude and
physiology.
I suspect we may be arguing about separate things; *only* adult sensitivities
(You), and late-occuring sequelae of childhood ingestion and its
implication for adults (me). Certainly
the doses for excitotoxicity in adults are considerably larger than
for the young, but the additivity of Glu and Asp, and their copious
and increased presence in modern processed foods (jointly), and their
hidden presence in HVP, necessitates extreme caution. Why would anyone
want to eat compounds which have been shown to markedly perturb the
endocrine system in adults? The main point is *blood levels*
attained, and oral doses would likely have to be greater than SC.
>>Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you
>>provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles
>>disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever.
>
>You mean "asserting". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just
>plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily
>have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential
>for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything
>whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any
>studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious
>reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon
>of the "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome". It says nothing about the frequent
>inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab.
Olney's work provides a putative causal mechanism for some
sensitivities. Terry, Epelbaum and Martin have shown that orally
administered MSG causes changes in normal gonadotropic hormone
fluctutations in adults. Glu also was found to induce immediate and persistant
supression of rhythmic GH secretion, and to induce rapid and transient
release of prolactin in adults chronically exposed to MSG. GH is
responsible not only for control of growth during development, but
also converts glycogen into glucose. Could this be the cause of
headaches? I don't know.
>>>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
>>Hmm. ".com". Why am I not surprised?
>>- Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca
>
>Probably one of the dumber remarks you've made.
If you had read Olney's review article, especially the remarks I
already quoted in an earlier post, you would know to what I was
alluding. May I ask exactly for whom you do computer consulting? :-)
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8521 | From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 18
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says:
>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS.
OK: So you were a naive teen.
>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's.
Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.
But he was born LAST century (1883).
>
>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil.
No it isn't.
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8522 | From: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston)
Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: looney.lerc.nasa.gov
Keywords: 3d studio 2.01
As I understand it, THe difference between 3D Studio 2.00 and 2.01 is mainly
in the IPAS interface, along with a few small bug fixes. The IPAS code runs
a lot faster in the newest version.
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8523 | From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week
Originator: jpc@condor
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: na
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In article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
|> United States TV Schedule:
|> April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone)
|> April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones)
|> April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone)
|> April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN
|> April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN
|> April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN
Does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local
broadcast rights are being protected? I'd really love to see the Bruins a
couple times, and with this pro-Patrick bias shown by ESPN something tells me
that I will have to wait until the conference finals to see them :-}.
-JPC
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jpc@philabs.philips.com 345 Scarborough Road
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8524 | From: Allen.Gervais@ttlg.UUCP (Allen Gervais)
Subject: Mountain Tape Backup
Lines: 18
DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare
DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...)
DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ?
DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at:
DH>800-458-0300 (general number)
DH>408-438-7897 (tech support)
DH>408-438-2665 (bbs)
Thanks very much for the info David !
Especially for their tech and BBS lines.
This should get me going...
Bye !
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* Origin: The Keep BBS (1:342/13)
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8525 | From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)
Subject: Space FAQ 10/15 - Planetary Probe History
Supersedes: <probe_730956556@cs.unc.edu>
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Lines: 527
Distribution: world
Expires: 6 May 1993 19:59:36 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu
Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions
Archive-name: space/probe
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:19 $
PLANETARY PROBES - HISTORICAL MISSIONS
This section was lightly adapted from an original posting by Larry Klaes
(klaes@verga.enet.dec.com), mostly minor formatting changes. Matthew
Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu) contributed the section on
Voyager, and the section on Sakigake was obtained from ISAS material
posted by Yoshiro Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp).
US PLANETARY MISSIONS
MARINER (VENUS, MARS, & MERCURY FLYBYS AND ORBITERS)
MARINER 1, the first U.S. attempt to send a spacecraft to Venus, failed
minutes after launch in 1962. The guidance instructions from the ground
stopped reaching the rocket due to a problem with its antenna, so the
onboard computer took control. However, there turned out to be a bug in
the guidance software, and the rocket promptly went off course, so the
Range Safety Officer destroyed it. Although the bug is sometimes claimed
to have been an incorrect FORTRAN DO statement, it was actually a
transcription error in which the bar (indicating smoothing) was omitted
from the expression "R-dot-bar sub n" (nth smoothed value of derivative
of radius). This error led the software to treat normal minor variations
of velocity as if they were serious, leading to incorrect compensation.
MARINER 2 became the first successful probe to flyby Venus in December
of 1962, and it returned information which confirmed that Venus is a
very hot (800 degrees Fahrenheit, now revised to 900 degrees F.) world
with a cloud-covered atmosphere composed primarily of carbon dioxide
(sulfuric acid was later confirmed in 1978).
MARINER 3, launched on November 5, 1964, was lost when its protective
shroud failed to eject as the craft was placed into interplanetary
space. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for power from its solar
panels, the probe soon died when its batteries ran out and is now in
solar orbit. It was intended for a Mars flyby with MARINER 4.
MARINER 4, the sister probe to MARINER 3, did reach Mars in 1965 and
took the first close-up images of the Martian surface (22 in all) as it
flew by the planet. The probe found a cratered world with an atmosphere
much thinner than previously thought. Many scientists concluded from
this preliminary scan that Mars was a "dead" world in both the
geological and biological sense.
MARINER 5 was sent to Venus in 1967. It reconfirmed the data on that
planet collected five years earlier by MARINER 2, plus the information
that Venus' atmospheric pressure at its surface is at least 90 times
that of Earth's, or the equivalent of being 3,300 feet under the surface
of an ocean.
MARINER 6 and 7 were sent to Mars in 1969 and expanded upon the work
done by MARINER 4 four years earlier. However, they failed to take away
the concept of Mars as a "dead" planet, first made from the basic
measurements of MARINER 4.
MARINER 8 ended up in the Atlantic Ocean in 1971 when the rocket
launcher autopilot failed.
MARINER 9, the sister probe to MARINER 8, became the first craft to
orbit Mars in 1971. It returned information on the Red Planet that no
other probe had done before, revealing huge volcanoes on the Martian
surface, as well as giant canyon systems, and evidence that water once
flowed across the planet. The probe also took the first detailed closeup
images of Mars' two small moons, Phobos and Deimos.
MARINER 10 used Venus as a gravity assist to Mercury in 1974. The probe
did return the first close-up images of the Venusian atmosphere in
ultraviolet, revealing previously unseen details in the cloud cover,
plus the fact that the entire cloud system circles the planet in four
Earth days. MARINER 10 eventually made three flybys of Mercury from 1974
to 1975 before running out of attitude control gas. The probe revealed
Mercury as a heavily cratered world with a mass much greater than
thought. This would seem to indicate that Mercury has an iron core which
makes up 75 percent of the entire planet.
PIONEER (MOON, SUN, VENUS, JUPITER, and SATURN FLYBYS AND ORBITERS)
PIONEER 1 through 3 failed to meet their main objective - to photograph
the Moon close-up - but they did reach far enough into space to provide
new information on the area between Earth and the Moon, including new
data on the Van Allen radiation belts circling Earth. All three craft
had failures with their rocket launchers. PIONEER 1 was launched on
October 11, 1958, PIONEER 2 on November 8, and PIONEER 3 on December 6.
PIONEER 4 was a Moon probe which missed the Moon and became the first
U.S. spacecraft to orbit the Sun in 1959. PIONEER 5 was originally
designed to flyby Venus, but the mission was scaled down and it instead
studied the interplanetary environment between Venus and Earth out to
36.2 million kilometers in 1960, a record until MARINER 2. PIONEER 6
through 9 were placed into solar orbit from 1965 to 1968: PIONEER 6, 7,
and 8 are still transmitting information at this time. PIONEER E (would
have been number 10) suffered a launch failure in 1969.
PIONEER 10 became the first spacecraft to flyby Jupiter in 1973. PIONEER
11 followed it in 1974, and then went on to become the first probe to
study Saturn in 1979. Both vehicles should continue to function through
1995 and are heading off into interstellar space, the first craft ever
to do so.
PIONEER Venus 1 (1978) (also known as PIONEER Venus Orbiter, or PIONEER
12) burned up in the Venusian atmosphere on October 8, 1992. PVO made
the first radar studies of the planet's surface via probe. PIONEER Venus
2 (also known as PIONEER 13) sent four small probes into the atmosphere
in December of 1978. The main spacecraft bus burned up high in the
atmosphere, while the four probes descended by parachute towards the
surface. Though none were expected to survive to the surface, the Day
probe did make it and transmitted for 67.5 minutes on the ground before
its batteries failed.
RANGER (LUNAR LANDER AND IMPACT MISSIONS)
RANGER 1 and 2 were test probes for the RANGER lunar impact series. They
were meant for high Earth orbit testing in 1961, but rocket problems
left them in useless low orbits which quickly decayed.
RANGER 3, launched on January 26, 1962, was intended to land an
instrument capsule on the surface of the Moon, but problems during the
launch caused the probe to miss the Moon and head into solar orbit.
RANGER 3 did try to take some images of the Moon as it flew by, but the
camera was unfortunately aimed at deep space during the attempt.
RANGER 4, launched April 23, 1962, had the same purpose as RANGER 3, but
suffered technical problems enroute and crashed on the lunar farside,
the first U.S. probe to reach the Moon, albeit without returning data.
RANGER 5, launched October 18, 1962 and similar to RANGER 3 and 4, lost
all solar panel and battery power enroute and eventually missed the Moon
and drifted off into solar orbit.
RANGER 6 through 9 had more modified lunar missions: They were to send
back live images of the lunar surface as they headed towards an impact
with the Moon. RANGER 6 failed this objective in 1964 when its cameras
did not operate. RANGER 7 through 9 performed well, becoming the first
U.S. lunar probes to return thousands of lunar images through 1965.
LUNAR ORBITER (LUNAR SURFACE PHOTOGRAPHY)
LUNAR ORBITER 1 through 5 were designed to orbit the Moon and image
various sites being studied as landing areas for the manned APOLLO
missions of 1969-1972. The probes also contributed greatly to our
understanding of lunar surface features, particularly the lunar farside.
All five probes of the series, launched from 1966 to 1967, were
essentially successful in their missions. They were the first U.S.
probes to orbit the Moon. All LOs were eventually crashed into the lunar
surface to avoid interference with the manned APOLLO missions.
SURVEYOR (LUNAR SOFT LANDERS)
The SURVEYOR series were designed primarily to see if an APOLLO lunar
module could land on the surface of the Moon without sinking into the
soil (before this time, it was feared by some that the Moon was covered
in great layers of dust, which would not support a heavy landing
vehicle). SURVEYOR was successful in proving that the lunar surface was
strong enough to hold up a spacecraft from 1966 to 1968.
Only SURVEYOR 2 and 4 were unsuccessful missions. The rest became the
first U.S. probes to soft land on the Moon, taking thousands of images
and scooping the soil for analysis. APOLLO 12 landed 600 feet from
SURVEYOR 3 in 1969 and returned parts of the craft to Earth. SURVEYOR 7,
the last of the series, was a purely scientific mission which explored
the Tycho crater region in 1968.
VIKING (MARS ORBITERS AND LANDERS)
VIKING 1 was launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida on August 20, 1975 on
a TITAN 3E-CENTAUR D1 rocket. The probe went into Martian orbit on June
19, 1976, and the lander set down on the western slopes of Chryse
Planitia on July 20, 1976. It soon began its programmed search for
Martian micro-organisms (there is still debate as to whether the probes
found life there or not), and sent back incredible color panoramas of
its surroundings. One thing scientists learned was that Mars' sky was
pinkish in color, not dark blue as they originally thought (the sky is
pink due to sunlight reflecting off the reddish dust particles in the
thin atmosphere). The lander set down among a field of red sand and
boulders stretching out as far as its cameras could image.
The VIKING 1 orbiter kept functioning until August 7, 1980, when it ran
out of attitude-control propellant. The lander was switched into a
weather-reporting mode, where it had been hoped it would keep
functioning through 1994; but after November 13, 1982, an errant command
had been sent to the lander accidentally telling it to shut down until
further orders. Communication was never regained again, despite the
engineers' efforts through May of 1983.
An interesting side note: VIKING 1's lander has been designated the
Thomas A. Mutch Memorial Station in honor of the late leader of the
lander imaging team. The National Air and Space Museum in Washington,
D.C. is entrusted with the safekeeping of the Mutch Station Plaque until
it can be attached to the lander by a manned expedition.
VIKING 2 was launched on September 9, 1975, and arrived in Martian orbit
on August 7, 1976. The lander touched down on September 3, 1976 in
Utopia Planitia. It accomplished essentially the same tasks as its
sister lander, with the exception that its seisometer worked, recording
one marsquake. The orbiter had a series of attitude-control gas leaks in
1978, which prompted it being shut down that July. The lander was shut
down on April 12, 1980.
The orbits of both VIKING orbiters should decay around 2025.
VOYAGER (OUTER PLANET FLYBYS)
VOYAGER 1 was launched September 5, 1977, and flew past Jupiter on March
5, 1979 and by Saturn on November 13, 1980. VOYAGER 2 was launched
August 20, 1977 (before VOYAGER 1), and flew by Jupiter on August 7,
1979, by Saturn on August 26, 1981, by Uranus on January 24, 1986, and
by Neptune on August 8, 1989. VOYAGER 2 took advantage of a rare
once-every-189-years alignment to slingshot its way from outer planet to
outer planet. VOYAGER 1 could, in principle, have headed towards Pluto,
but JPL opted for the sure thing of a Titan close up.
Between the two probes, our knowledge of the 4 giant planets, their
satellites, and their rings has become immense. VOYAGER 1&2 discovered
that Jupiter has complicated atmospheric dynamics, lightning and
aurorae. Three new satellites were discovered. Two of the major
surprises were that Jupiter has rings and that Io has active sulfurous
volcanoes, with major effects on the Jovian magnetosphere.
When the two probes reached Saturn, they discovered over 1000 ringlets
and 7 satellites, including the predicted shepherd satellites that keep
the rings stable. The weather was tame compared with Jupiter: massive
jet streams with minimal variance (a 33-year great white spot/band cycle
is known). Titan's atmosphere was smoggy. Mimas' appearance was
startling: one massive impact crater gave it the Death Star appearance.
The big surprise here was the stranger aspects of the rings. Braids,
kinks, and spokes were both unexpected and difficult to explain.
VOYAGER 2, thanks to heroic engineering and programming efforts,
continued the mission to Uranus and Neptune. Uranus itself was highly
monochromatic in appearance. One oddity was that its magnetic axis was
found to be highly skewed from the already completely skewed rotational
axis, giving Uranus a peculiar magnetosphere. Icy channels were found on
Ariel, and Miranda was a bizarre patchwork of different terrains. 10
satellites and one more ring were discovered.
In contrast to Uranus, Neptune was found to have rather active weather,
including numerous cloud features. The ring arcs turned out to be bright
patches on one ring. Two other rings, and 6 other satellites, were
discovered. Neptune's magnetic axis was also skewed. Triton had a
canteloupe appearance and geysers. (What's liquid at 38K?)
The two VOYAGERs are expected to last for about two more decades. Their
on-target journeying gives negative evidence about possible planets
beyond Pluto. Their next major scientific discovery should be the
location of the heliopause.
SOVIET PLANETARY MISSIONS
Since there have been so many Soviet probes to the Moon, Venus, and
Mars, I will highlight only the primary missions:
SOVIET LUNAR PROBES
LUNA 1 - Lunar impact attempt in 1959, missed Moon and became first
craft in solar orbit.
LUNA 2 - First craft to impact on lunar surface in 1959.
LUNA 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1959.
ZOND 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1965 since LUNA 3. Was
also a test for future Mars missions.
LUNA 9 - First probe to soft land on the Moon in 1966, returned images
from surface.
LUNA 10 - First probe to orbit the Moon in 1966.
LUNA 13 - Second successful Soviet lunar soft landing mission in 1966.
ZOND 5 - First successful circumlunar craft. ZOND 6 through 8
accomplished similar missions through 1970. The probes were
unmanned tests of a manned orbiting SOYUZ-type lunar vehicle.
LUNA 16 - First probe to land on Moon and return samples of lunar soil
to Earth in 1970. LUNA 20 accomplished similar mission in
1972.
LUNA 17 - Delivered the first unmanned lunar rover to the Moon's
surface, LUNOKHOD 1, in 1970. A similar feat was accomplished
with LUNA 21/LUNOKHOD 2 in 1973.
LUNA 24 - Last Soviet lunar mission to date. Returned soil samples in
1976.
SOVIET VENUS PROBES
VENERA 1 - First acknowledged attempt at Venus mission. Transmissions
lost enroute in 1961.
VENERA 2 - Attempt to image Venus during flyby mission in tandem with
VENERA 3. Probe ceased transmitting just before encounter in
February of 1966. No images were returned.
VENERA 3 - Attempt to place a lander capsule on Venusian surface.
Transmissions ceased just before encounter and entire probe
became the first craft to impact on another planet in 1966.
VENERA 4 - First probe to successfully return data while descending
through Venusian atmosphere. Crushed by air pressure before
reaching surface in 1967. VENERA 5 and 6 mission profiles
similar in 1969.
VENERA 7 - First probe to return data from the surface of another planet
in 1970. VENERA 8 accomplished a more detailed mission in
1972.
VENERA 9 - Sent first image of Venusian surface in 1975. Was also the
first probe to orbit Venus. VENERA 10 accomplished similar
mission.
VENERA 13 - Returned first color images of Venusian surface in 1982.
VENERA 14 accomplished similar mission.
VENERA 15 - Accomplished radar mapping with VENERA 16 of sections of
planet's surface in 1983 more detailed than PVO.
VEGA 1 - Accomplished with VEGA 2 first balloon probes of Venusian
atmosphere in 1985, including two landers. Flyby buses went on
to become first spacecraft to study Comet Halley close-up in
March of 1986.
SOVIET MARS PROBES
MARS 1 - First acknowledged Mars probe in 1962. Transmissions ceased
enroute the following year.
ZOND 2 - First possible attempt to place a lander capsule on Martian
surface. Probe signals ceased enroute in 1965.
MARS 2 - First Soviet Mars probe to land - albeit crash - on Martian
surface. Orbiter section first Soviet probe to circle the Red
Planet in 1971.
MARS 3 - First successful soft landing on Martian surface, but lander
signals ceased after 90 seconds in 1971.
MARS 4 - Attempt at orbiting Mars in 1974, braking rockets failed to
fire, probe went on into solar orbit.
MARS 5 - First fully successful Soviet Mars mission, orbiting Mars in
1974. Returned images of Martian surface comparable to U.S.
probe MARINER 9.
MARS 6 - Landing attempt in 1974. Lander crashed into the surface.
MARS 7 - Lander missed Mars completely in 1974, went into a solar orbit
with its flyby bus.
PHOBOS 1 - First attempt to land probes on surface of Mars' largest
moon, Phobos. Probe failed enroute in 1988 due to
human/computer error.
PHOBOS 2 - Attempt to land probes on Martian moon Phobos. The probe did
enter Mars orbit in early 1989, but signals ceased one week
before scheduled Phobos landing.
While there has been talk of Soviet Jupiter, Saturn, and even
interstellar probes within the next thirty years, no major steps have
yet been taken with these projects. More intensive studies of the Moon,
Mars, Venus, and various comets have been planned for the 1990s, and a
Mercury mission to orbit and land probes on the tiny world has been
planned for 2003. How the many changes in the former Soviet Union (now
the Commonwealth of Independent States) will affect the future of their
space program remains to be seen.
JAPANESE PLANETARY MISSIONS
SAKIGAKE (MS-T5) was launched from the Kagoshima Space Center by ISAS on
January 8 1985, and approached Halley's Comet within about 7 million km
on March 11, 1986. The spacecraft is carrying three instru- ments to
measure interplanetary magnetic field/plasma waves/solar wind, all of
which work normally now, so ISAS made an Earth swingby by Sakigake on
January 8, 1992 into an orbit similar to the earth's. The closest
approach was at 23h08m47s (JST=UTC+9h) on January 8, 1992. The
geocentric distance was 88,997 km. This is the first planet-swingby for
a Japanese spacecraft.
During the approach, Sakigake observed the geotail. Some geotail
passages will be scheduled in some years hence. The second Earth-swingby
will be on June 14, 1993 (at 40 Re (Earth's radius)), and the third
October 28, 1994 (at 86 Re).
HITEN, a small lunar probe, was launched into Earth orbit on January 24,
1990. The spacecraft was then known as MUSES-A, but was renamed to Hiten
once in orbit. The 430 lb probe looped out from Earth and made its first
lunary flyby on March 19, where it dropped off its 26 lb midget
satellite, HAGOROMO. Japan at this point became the third nation to
orbit a satellite around the Moon, joining the Unites States and USSR.
The smaller spacecraft, Hagoromo, remained in orbit around the Moon. An
apparently broken transistor radio caused the Japanese space scientists
to lose track of it. Hagoromo's rocket motor fired on schedule on March
19, but the spacecraft's tracking transmitter failed immediately. The
rocket firing of Hagoromo was optically confirmed using the Schmidt
camera (105-cm, F3.1) at the Kiso Observatory in Japan.
Hiten made multiple lunar flybys at approximately monthly intervals and
performed aerobraking experiments using the Earth's atmosphere. Hiten
made a close approach to the moon at 22:33 JST (UTC+9h) on February 15,
1992 at the height of 423 km from the moon's surface (35.3N, 9.7E) and
fired its propulsion system for about ten minutes to put the craft into
lunar orbit. The following is the orbital calculation results after the
approach:
Apoapsis Altitude: about 49,400 km
Periapsis Altitude: about 9,600 km
Inclination : 34.7 deg (to ecliptic plane)
Period : 4.7 days
PLANETARY MISSION REFERENCES
I also recommend reading the following works, categorized in three
groups: General overviews, specific books on particular space missions,
and periodical sources on space probes. This list is by no means
complete; it is primarily designed to give you places to start your
research through generally available works on the subject. If anyone can
add pertinent works to the list, it would be greatly appreciated.
Though naturally I recommend all the books listed below, I think it
would be best if you started out with the general overview books, in
order to give you a clear idea of the history of space exploration in
this area. I also recommend that you pick up some good, up-to-date
general works on astronomy and the Sol system, to give you some extra
background. Most of these books and periodicals can be found in any good
public and university library. Some of the more recently published works
can also be purchased in and/or ordered through any good mass- market
bookstore.
General Overviews (in alphabetical order by author):
J. Kelly Beatty et al, THE NEW SOLAR SYSTEM, 1990.
Merton E. Davies and Bruce C. Murray, THE VIEW FROM SPACE:
PHOTOGRAPHIC EXPLORATION OF THE PLANETS, 1971
Kenneth Gatland, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SPACE
TECHNOLOGY, 1990
Kenneth Gatland, ROBOT EXPLORERS, 1972
R. Greeley, PLANETARY LANDSCAPES, 1987
Douglas Hart, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SOVIET SPACECRAFT, 1987
Nicholas L. Johnson, HANDBOOK OF SOVIET LUNAR AND PLANETARY
EXPLORATION, 1979
Clayton R. Koppes, JPL AND THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM: A
HISTORY OF THE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, 1982
Richard S. Lewis, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE
UNIVERSE, 1983
Mark Littman, PLANETS BEYOND: DISCOVERING THE OUTER SOLAR
SYSTEM, 1988
Eugene F. Mallove and Gregory L. Matloff, THE STARFLIGHT
HANDBOOK: A PIONEER'S GUIDE TO INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL, 1989
Frank Miles and Nicholas Booth, RACE TO MARS: THE MARS
FLIGHT ATLAS, 1988
Bruce Murray, JOURNEY INTO SPACE, 1989
Oran W. Nicks, FAR TRAVELERS, 1985 (NASA SP-480)
James E. Oberg, UNCOVERING SOVIET DISASTERS: EXPLORING THE
LIMITS OF GLASNOST, 1988
Carl Sagan, COMET, 1986
Carl Sagan, THE COSMIC CONNECTION, 1973
Carl Sagan, PLANETS, 1969 (LIFE Science Library)
Arthur Smith, PLANETARY EXPLORATION: THIRTY YEARS OF UNMANNED
SPACE PROBES, 1988
Andrew Wilson, (JANE'S) SOLAR SYSTEM LOG, 1987
Specific Mission References:
Charles A. Cross and Patrick Moore, THE ATLAS OF MERCURY, 1977
(The MARINER 10 mission to Venus and Mercury, 1973-1975)
Joel Davis, FLYBY: THE INTERPLANETARY ODYSSEY OF VOYAGER 2, 1987
Irl Newlan, FIRST TO VENUS: THE STORY OF MARINER 2, 1963
Margaret Poynter and Arthur L. Lane, VOYAGER: THE STORY OF A
SPACE MISSION, 1984
Carl Sagan, MURMURS OF EARTH, 1978 (Deals with the Earth
information records placed on VOYAGER 1 and 2 in case the
probes are found by intelligences in interstellar space,
as well as the probes and planetary mission objectives
themselves.)
Other works and periodicals:
NASA has published very detailed and technical books on every space
probe mission it has launched. Good university libraries will carry
these books, and they are easily found simply by knowing which mission
you wish to read about. I recommend these works after you first study
some of the books listed above.
Some periodicals I recommend for reading on space probes are NATIONAL
GEOGRAPHIC, which has written articles on the PIONEER probes to Earth's
Moon Luna and the Jovian planets Jupiter and Saturn, the RANGER,
SURVEYOR, LUNAR ORBITER, and APOLLO missions to Luna, the MARINER
missions to Mercury, Venus, and Mars, the VIKING probes to Mars, and the
VOYAGER missions to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
More details on American, Soviet, European, and Japanese probe missions
can be found in SKY AND TELESCOPE, ASTRONOMY, SCIENCE, NATURE, and
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN magazines. TIME, NEWSWEEK, and various major
newspapers can supply not only general information on certain missions,
but also show you what else was going on with Earth at the time events
were unfolding, if that is of interest to you. Space missions are
affected by numerous political, economic, and climatic factors, as you
probably know.
Depending on just how far your interest in space probes will go, you
might also wish to join The Planetary Society, one of the largest space
groups in the world dedicated to planetary exploration. Their
periodical, THE PLANETARY REPORT, details the latest space probe
missions. Write to The Planetary Society, 65 North Catalina Avenue,
Pasadena, California 91106 USA.
Good luck with your studies in this area of space exploration. I
personally find planetary missions to be one of the more exciting areas
in this field, and the benefits human society has and will receive from
it are incredible, with many yet to be realized.
Larry Klaes klaes@verga.enet.dec.com
NEXT: FAQ #11/15 - Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules
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8526 | From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: Little to None
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
>> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just
>>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions
>>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from
>
>2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off
>the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better,
>I could probably come up with a _very_ good system.
Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent
to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?
--
Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards:
614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from.
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8527 | From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Subject: Re: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 25
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) says:
>In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes...
>I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for
>6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative.
>>
You're right, I bailed out in Diff Eq. Nevertheless, I would
suggest to YOU that there is a difference between a "proposed BILL,
stalled in Congress" and a "executive order, crammed down OUR
THROATS". Do you disagree?
>> I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you
>> have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while
>> you are still able.
>>
>Have you?
Went to the Post Office on Friday, got my passport apps in.
My savings have already been converted.
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8528 | From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: LD ext. floppy drive for MAC(extremely cheap)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 10
I have a brand new low density 5.25" floppy drive for MAC.
It comes with a brand new Apple Macintosh II PC drive card, so
that you can hook the drive up to the card.
It allows you to use DOS formatted disks.
I am selling it for $90 (abt 1/3 retail price).
Ailin
803-654-8817
buyers pay shipping.
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8529 | From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 17
OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept
leadership.
My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?
Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups
and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems
the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . .
Art
--
Art Campbell artc@world.std.com 72227.1375@compuserve.com
DoD 358 _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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8530 | From: pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (it's enrico palazzo!)
Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?
Reply-To: pef1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 36
> = From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
> If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone
> looked into possible problems with the detectors?
> That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that
> could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these
> things?
> Graydon
That would not explain why widely separated detectors, such as on Ulysses
and PVO and Ginga et al., would see a burst at the same time(*). In fact, be-
fore BATSE, having this widely separated "Interplanetary Network" was the
only sure way to locate a random burst. With only one detector, one cannot
locate a burst (except to say "It's somewhere in the field of view."). With
two detectors, one can use the time that the burst is seen in each detector
to narrow the location to a thin annulus on the sky. With three detectors,
one gets intersecting annuli, giving two possible locations. If one of these
locations is impossible (because, say, the Earth blocked that part of the
sky), voila, you have an error box.
BATSE, by having 8 detectors of its own, can do its own location determination,
but only to within about 3 degrees (would someone at GSFC, like David, like
to comment on the current state of location determination?). Having inde-
pendent sightings by other detectors helps drive down the uncertainty.
You did touch on something that you didn't mean to, though. Some believe
(in a reference that I have somewhere) that absorption-like features seen
in a fraction of GRBs can actually be caused by the detector. It would be
a mean, nasty God, though, that would have a NaI crystal act like a 10^12 Gauss
neutron star...but this is getting too far afield.
Peter
peterf@oddjob.uchicago.edu
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8531 | From: ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee )
Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment??
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.040254.8443
Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics
Lines: 17
In article <C51H9M.46p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) writes:
|> Geoffrey S. Elbo writes:
|>
|> >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB
|> >hard disk in 20 minutes.
|>
|> I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk.
|> Is it just a strip-down version of the later?
|>
|> I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering
|> if I need to install MS Backup?
|>
|> Richard
|>
Yes, defragger IS come from Norton.
If you have Norton Utility, don't bother.
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8532 | From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 17
In article <C5L4rp.EBM@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>> From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification
>>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize
>>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from
>
>Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical
>differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison
>worthless.
This meaningless statement makes YOU look bad.
--
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8533 | From: yatrou@INRS-Telecom.Uquebec.CA (Paul Yatrou)
Subject: Re: Stop predicting
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Lines: 22
In <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu> cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes:
>It is really annoying to see all of these
>predictions on the Net. Who really cares
>who you think will win? Please stop with
>the predictions, we all know the Caps are
>going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.
>
>
>David Kaupang
>cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu
Yeah, but first they have to deal with the Devils,
who've had their number all year. I'm not saying
the Caps aren't a good team (they've been a thorn
on the Habs side for the past 10 years!!!), just
that they won't get past NJ...
Paul Yatrou
yatrou@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca
(running my pool today, wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!)
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8534 | From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful
Organization: Totally Unorganized
Lines: 72
In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
<If Clipper comes to cellular phones along with legal proscriptions against
<using other cipher systems on these phones, a new and potentially dangerous
<class of crime is created.
Aside from possession of "terrorist tools" (unapproved encryption devices
or programs)...
<Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specifically
<the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats)
<will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and
<to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the
<device will be delayed.
<
<Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate
<with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from
<key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means.
<
<Because life-is-cheap criminals are currently willing to kill people to steal
<very large and conspicuous property (luxury cars), it is reasonable to assume
<that they will be willing to kill people to steal small and inconspicuous
<property (a cipher cellular phone). Just as we have seen in the past with
<"blue box" technology, and in the present with modified cellular phones,
<we can expect to see among high-stakes criminals a lucrative market for
<stolen cipher phones which can be used for a few days. The high-stakes
<criminals will pay the life-is-cheap types substantial amounts for stolen
<instruments.
<
<Because a person is typically discovered as missing or dead in a few days,
<a stolen instrument will be usable for only a few days. There will be a
<continuing demand for fresh phones: fresh bodies.
And since Clinton is also going full-bore to deny unconnected citizens
the means to defend themselves ("we will protect you ... 911 is good
enough for you...") by perverting or trashing the Second Amendment,
the targeted individuals will be GUARANTEED easy prey. What is a few
bodies compared to the "greater good" of the Fed being able to defeat
a citizen's security with impunity? You don't think there doesn't
exist a means by which the NSA can do their usual eavesdropping, scanning
for keywords, with OR WITHOUT a court order or any 'keys', do you?
If so, I got some great Florida real estate you might be interested in...
Perhaps the idea of escrowed keys is meant to divert the discussion to
how they will be safeguarded, and away from the basic fact that the
government is systematically taking away our right to privacy, to be
secure, for the means of self-defense, and just about every other right
spelled out in the Bill of Rights?
Nawwww - they are the GOVERNMENT! "Trust us..."
<In other words, Clipper and similar systems have the potential to turn a
<current inconvenience to law enforcement into a direct, vicious, and
<persistent threat to the general public.
What is more important to the government? Law Enforcement (people control)
or the safety of the general public? The gun control issue should answer
that one - look at how good that works in making cities safer: The places
that are the worst in that regard are also the places with the 'best' gun
control. Government is NOT about public good, it is about CONTROL.
Never forget that. Our Founding Fathers sure were concerned about it.
<
< [ ... remainder deleted ... ]
<
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
|
8535 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Nicknames
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr18.231914.143616@zeus.calpoly.edu>,
jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) wrote:
> >Mathew "FAQ" can't remember his last name
> >Keith "Lie Tally .sig" Ryan
> >Kent "Finn-tastic" Sandvick
> >Cindy "Popsicle Toes" Kandolf
> >Jim "Face .sig" Tims
> >Simon "Clip-that-theist" Clippendale
> >Umar "Reasonable" Khan
> >Rob "Argue with G-d" Strom
> >Dave "Buckminster" Fuller
> >Maddi "Never a useful post" Hausmann
>
> Hey, what about an affectionate nickname for me?
You could take my wrongly spelled surname :-).
Cheers,
Kent Sandvik
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
|
8536 | From: sehrlich@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Scott R. Ehrlich)
Subject: Help find Stolen Car
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without
Internet access:
His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a
1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL.
His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car.
It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6).
If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail
me.
Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
===============================================================================
| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com |
| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na |
===============================================================================
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===============================================================================
| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com |
| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na |
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8537 | From: ee152fcs@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Bjorn Karlsson)
Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 20
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc15.ucsd.edu
In article <1993Apr21.073134.5117@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> 1993 World Championships in Germany:
> ====================================
Is there any games being shown here in the US from the WC???
Thanks
mc
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8538 | From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: NONE
Lines: 52
In article <1993Apr20.110021.5746@kth.se>, hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their
henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are
henrik] INVADING their homeland.
HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today
HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan)
HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the
HE] the "Great Armenia" dream in this? With facist methods like
HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the
HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to
HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds
HE] by the Armenians.
Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno-
Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas
between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade
Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying
because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this
policy.
If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land
in the first place, not the Armenians.
henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane
henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one
henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane
henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.
HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes
HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities
HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo
HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany.
HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of
HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not
HE] humanitarian aid.....
What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending
aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in
the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out.
HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about.
HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons
HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan
HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons
HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons?
It's too bad you would want Turkey to start a war with Armenia.
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8539 | From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta)
Subject: Honda Accord Brake Problem
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 26
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now
all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem
I am experiencing is with my brakes. They still stop the
car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal
will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself. If feels really
strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of
these days.
I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the
fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil). I called
my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder,
which will cost me a whopping $250-300.
I was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this
sort of thing. If so, is my mechanic being honest? Or do I
simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in?
Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Please send
replies directly to me, as I rarely have a chance to read this
list. I will post the responses if there is any interest.
Thanks,
Joni
ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu
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8540 | From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: sgi
Lines: 15
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <930404.112127.2h6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> > And we, meaning people who drive,
|> > accept the risks of doing so, and contribute tax money to design systems
|> > to minimize those risks.
|>
|> Eh? We already have systems to minimize those risks. It's just that you car
|> drivers don't want to use them.
|>
|> They're called bicycles, trains and buses.
Poor Matthew. A million posters to call "you car drivers" and he
chooses me, a non car owner.
jon.
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8541 | From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence?
Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
Lines: 21
In article <1qibo2$f4o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>
>#>In the absence of some convincing evidence that theist fanatics are more
>#>dangerous than atheist fanatics, I'll continue to be wary of fanatics of
>#>any stripe.
>#
>#I think that the agnostic fanatics are the most dangerous of the lot.
>
>Fair point, actually. I mentioned theists and atheists, but left out
>agnostics. Mea culpa.
>
No wonder in the light of that you are a probably a theist who tries
to pass as an agnostic. I still remember your post about your daughter
singing Chrismas Carols and your feelings of it well.
By the way, would you show marginal honesty and answer the many questions
you left open when you ceased to respond last time?
Benedikt
|
8542 | From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: Comp3, Inc.
Lines: 28
From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
> In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
>
>>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
>
>>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
>
> Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range...
>
>
> ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
> Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
> of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie
> of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
>
> Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II |
> | |
> | I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat, |
> | like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something. |
> | -- Brian W Simmons |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
--
*** Jeff Campbell N8WXS '76 R75/6 70010,160 frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org ***
|
8543 | From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland)
Subject: Re: Mysterious beeping
Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com
Reply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis
Lines: 41
In article <C5qtKK.wp@cup.hp.com>, defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes:
|> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ]
|> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ]
|> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ]
|>
|> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I
|> intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to
|> allow "date" fields the following special keys:
|>
|> [Tt]: Insert today's date
|> [+=]: Bump day up by one
|> [-_]: Bump day down by one
|>
|> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an
|> XmText field for this.
|>
|> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
|> //
|> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys
|> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these
|> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get
|> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and
|> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring.
|> //
|> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
code deleted...
>From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources):
XmNverifyBell
Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed
during a verification callback.
You are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping
as it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false.
Tom McFarland
<tommc@cv.hp.com>
|
8544 | From: apoylis@inode.com
Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC?
Reply-To: apoylis@inode.com
Distribution: world
Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146)
Lines: 9
Reply-to: apoylis@inode.com
Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? If I missed it, could anyone please repost
or email it to me? Thanks in advance.
... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106
---
þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ
|
8545 | From: kwgst+@pitt.edu (Mr. Someone)
Subject: modem question
Article-I.D.: blue.9061
Organization: pre-EE
Lines: 2
art
|
8546 | From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: First Bike??
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
Lines: 8
In article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
> put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would
Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!
--
Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
|
8547 | From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500354:cdp:1483500364:000:1767
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 26 17:36:00 1993
Lines: 38
Dear folks,
I am still awaiting for some sensible answer and comment.
It is a fact that the inhabitants of Gaza are not entitled to a normal
civlized life. They habe been kept under occupation by Israel since 1967
without civil and political rights.
It is a fact that Gazans live in their own country, Palestine. Gaza is
not a foriegn country. Nor is TelAviv, Jaffa, Askalon, BeerSheba foreign
country for Gazans. All these places are occupied as far as Palestinians
are concerned and as far as common sense has it.
It is a fact that Zionists deny Gazans equal rights as Israeli citizens
and the right to determine by themsevles their government. When Zionists
will begin to consider Gazans as human beings who deserve the same
rights as themselves, there will be hope for peace. Not before.
Somebody mentioned that Gaza is 'foreign country' and therefore Israel
is entitled to close its borders to Gaza. In this case, Gaza should be
entitled to reciprocate, and deny Israeli civilians and military personnel
to enter the area. As the relation is not symmetrical, but that of a master
and slave, the label 'foreign country' is inaccurate and misleading.
To close off 700,000 people in the Strip, deny them means of subsistence
and means of defending themselves, is a collective punishment and a
crime. It is neither justifiable nor legal. It just reflects the abyss
to which Israeli society has degraded.
I would like to ask any of those who heap foul langauge on me to explain
why Israel denies Gazans who were born and brought up in Jaffa to return
and live there ? Would they be allowed to, if they converted to Judaism ?
Is their right to live in their former town depdendent upon their
religion or ethnic origin ? Please give an honest answer.
Elias
|
8548 | From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat)
Subject: Victims of various 'Good Fight's
Organization: Cured, discharged
Lines: 30
In article <9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) writes:
> LIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION
> 1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000
> 2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000
> 3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000
> 4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000
> 5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??)
> 6. Crusades: ??
7. Massacre of Jews in WWII: 6.3 million
8. Massacre of other 'inferior races' in WWII: 10 million
9. Communist purges: 20-30 million? [Socialism is more or less a religion]
10. Catholics V Protestants : quite a few I'd imagine
11. Recent goings on in Bombay/Iodia (sp?) area: ??
12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million
> -- Naren
The Desert Brat
--
John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\
For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/
Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb
+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
|"It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | "God's name is smack |
|understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some." |
|produce it." - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains |
+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
|
8549 | From: steve@smartstar.com
Subject: Motif Server for ASCII terminals
Organization: SmartStar Corporation / Signal Technology
Lines: 2
Nntp-Posting-Host: louie
Does anyone know of an X server for character cell terminals?
Doesn't have to be anything fancy, as long is it works.
|
8550 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: new Multiple Sclerosis drug?
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 13
In article <12252@news.duke.edu> adm@neuro.duke.edu (Alan Magid) writes:
>Disclaimer: I speak only for myself.
So just what was it you wanted to say?
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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|
8551 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why?
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 36
In article <keithley-220493104229@kip-37.apple.com> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes:
>Ah, there's the rub. And a catch-22 to boot. For the purposes of a
>contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get
>there. And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without
>demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system...
You're assuming that the low-cost delivery system has to be a separate
project. But why? If you are spending hundreds of millions of dollars
in hopes of winning a billion-dollar prize, it is *cheaper* to develop
your own launch system, charging its entire development cost against
your contest entry, than to try to do it with existing launchers. No
other demand is necessary.
>> Any plan for doing
>> sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting
>> money in a big way.
>
>This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line. In other
>words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support,
>navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system.
>You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see
>folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch
>system comes on line.
You're assuming that it's going to take a decade to build a new launch
system. But why? The Saturn V took less than six years, depending on
exactly when you date its start. Pegasus took about three from project
start to first flight. Before SDIO chickened out on orbital development,
the target date for an orbital DC-Y flight was 1996. If you really want
speed, consider that the first prototypes of the Thor missile (still in
service as the core of the Delta launcher) shipped to the USAF less
than 18 months after the development go-ahead.
One of the most pernicious myths in this whole business is the belief
that you can't build a launcher without taking ten years and spending
billions of dollars. It isn't true and never was.
|
8552 | From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin )
Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Lines: 23
In article <C4v5p3.JyF@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> isbell@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Isbell) writes:
>jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes:
>
>>I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3
>>with IRQ5.
>
>>COM1 and COM2 are being used to support two 24 hour bbs lines,
There you go. COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ, therefore you can't use
a mouse on COM3 and a modem on COM1, or vice versa. It's a limitation
of DOS.
And in fact Windows will not see a mouse on anything other than COM1
or COM2. Accept this fact, and either get a bus mouse, or get a new
computer.
>I would also like to know if it is possible to use the mouse on ports other
>than COM1 or COM2.
No. The advice above applies....
--
Greg Franklin
franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu
|
8553 | From: jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore)
Subject: Re: iconize a running application?
In-Reply-To: doomer@teal.csn.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 05:35:22 GMT
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Lines: 39
it doesnt matter what window mgr you running under, you can use the X
routine:
XIconfiyWindow(display, w, screen_number)
Display *display;
Window w;
int screen_number;
as in
XiconifyWindow( XtDisplay(w), XtWindow(w), 0);
does that perform what you want??
In article <C5IFJ0.F2u@csn.org> doomer@teal.csn.org (John Dumais) writes:
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!teal.csn.org!doomer
From: doomer@teal.csn.org (John Dumais)
Sender: news@csn.org (news)
Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 05:35:22 GMT
Lines: 8
I've been trying to figure a way to programmatically iconize
an application running under a Motif window manager. I have tried
several approaches includeing sending events to the application's
border window, but to no avail? Anyone done this before?
Thanks,
doomer '85
--
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Joe Bore | "Life is Short...Code Hard"
jbore@Shearson.COM | ...!uunet!shearson.com!jbore|
(212)464-3431, Beeper: (212)396-4248 |
|
8554 | From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM
Nntp-Posting-Host: engels.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Lines: 28
In article <mcguire.1085350200F@newsserver.utcc.utk.edu>,
mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) wrote:
>
> In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
> hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote:
> >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and
> >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me:
> >
> >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns
> >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.)
> >
>
> 60ns 72 pin simms.
>
> >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the
> >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing
> >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic
> >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?)
> >
> 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board
> leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a
> 650.
According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple
Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only
the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.
Pete
|
8555 | From: zakir@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zakir Sahul)
Subject: Inflation in car prices
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 5
Anyone have figures or pointers to references about
how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?
Thanks.
|
8556 | From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Subject: Re: PEM and MIME
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: world
Organization: Thibault & Friends
Lines: 34
In article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com>
(Edward Vielmetti) writes:
> I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be
> sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news
> readers, esp if the content is really worth it.
But that's just the problem. There is no such thing as
"MIME-Formatted". By analogy, MIME is a content-labelling
standard for the box, not a specification for the contents
themselves. It provides a standard for "like-minded"
individuals to exchange mail containing an agreed-upon data
format.
You say tomahto, I say tomaeto; you say postscript, I say
SGML...
Cheers,
Marc
---
Marc Thibault | CIS:71441,2226 | Put another log
marc@tanda.isis.org | NC FreeNet: aa185 | on the fire.
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: 2.0
mQBNAiqxYTkAAAECALfeHYp0yC80s1ScFvJSpj5eSCAO+hihtneFrrn+vuEcSavh
AAUwpIUGyV2N8n+lFTPnnLc42Ms+c8PJUPYKVI8ABRG0I01hcmMgVGhpYmF1bHQg
PG1hcmNAdGFuZGEuaXNpcy5vcmc+
=HLnv
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
|
8557 | From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
Lines: 34
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:
> Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and
> wait to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very*
> carefully for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network
> XYZ' shoe to drop.
I've been a very intent NREN spectator of the NREN for years. As a
commercial IP software vendor, it really is my professional opinion that the
NREN, at this point, is irrelevant to private sector networking. If it had
been deployed five years ago, it would have been a major development. Now,
however, it's just an upgrade to the NSFnet, and an attempt to revive the
lagging use of the national supercomputer centers. You could cut out the
NSFnet completely, and the Internet would continue chugging along without a
hiccup (aside from a few universities).
Long-haul networking and Internet connectivity have long since ceased to be
under federal sponsorship or regulation, at least in the USA. The success of
the CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is a prime example of this. While our
dear VP has been promoting his "data superhighway," the private sector has
been building it, without the NSFnet's restrictions.
To illustrate, a connection from the machine on my desk to the machine your
article was posted from (pizzabox.demon.co.uk) involves *only* commercial IP
providers until it hits Amsterdam. No NSFnet. No NREN. No "appropriate
use" restrictions. It's even 1.544mbps (T1) until it hits the EUnet
gateway...
QED.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
|
8558 | Subject: Life on Mars???
From: schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer)
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-Host: pa881a
Nntp-Posting-User: schiewer
Lines: 9
What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the "face" and heard
associated theories. (which sound thin to me)
Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian?
Does anyone buy all the life theories?
--
Don Schiewer | Internet schiewer@pa881a.inland.com | Onward Great
Inland Steel | UUCP: !uucp!pa881a.inland!schiewer | Stream...
|
8559 | From: mleisher@nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher)
Subject: CRL Archive Change Announcement
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Lines: 46
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pylos.nmsu.edu
X-Md4-Signature: 6a869a6491f9d34c90b1e79dcbce325b
The multi-lingual archives at The Computing Research Labs, New Mexico
State University will be moving to a new ftp address soon. The
archives are being put under control of the Consortium for Lexical
Research.
The new ftp address will be: clr.nmsu.edu (the current IP address
is 128.123.1.12 but may change, so use clr.nmsu.edu whenever
possible).
Please note that there is a difference between ftp sites crl.nmsu.edu and
clr.nmsu.edu. The crl.nmsu.edu site will be our ftp site for items
not related to the Consortium for Lexical Research.
The Arabic, Chinese, French, Italian, Indian, Japanese, Korean,
Tibetan, and Vietnamese archives will all be moved.
We will announce the new locations of the relevant directories once
the archives have been moved.
Please be patient if you discover directories missing when you ftp to
either crl.nmsu.edu or clr.nmsu.edu. It will take a few days to move
everything.
If you are not familiar with our multi-lingual archives, we have been
slowly collecting various software, fonts, and text for different
languages over the past 2 years. Most of the software is currently
Unix oriented. We would also like to encourage people to continue to
contribute items to the archives to help improve the quality and
quantity of multi-lingual tools.
If you have an item to contribute, please put it in:
clr.nmsu.edu:incoming/
and send a note to lexical@nmsu.edu telling them about your
contribution.
If you have any questions or comments, please send them to:
lexical@nmsu.edu
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mleisher@nmsu.edu
Mark Leisher
Computing Research Lab "Elegance is not optional!"
New Mexico State University -- Attributed to Richard O'Keefe
Box 3CRL, Las Cruces, NM 88003
|
8560 | From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Lines: 16
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.
In <5APR199312491648@utkvx.utk.edu> nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes:
>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? Mine
>lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what I can tell,
>it looks like Apple welded it shut.
By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open
the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but
it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done.
-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
If you don't vote... you don't count.
|
8561 | From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: FOR SALE: C-128 system w/Printer : $130 OBO
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 20
=========================
commodore 128
epson homewriter 10 9 pin printer
1571 d/s disk drive
2 joysticks
1 mouse
lotsa software, both games and apps.
rapid fire joystick adapter
==========================
about a year old
$130 OBO
--
**********************************************************************
C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
**********************************************************************
|
8562 | From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Subject: Re: Braves & Giants
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson
Lines: 14
In article <13536@news.duke.edu> fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>
> Cox should've protested the game the second time the garbage got
>thrown at his outfielders. He should also have protested the game at the
>point where Ron Gant was assessed the second strike in the ninth, on the
>grounds that he (Cox) was on the field and time should have been called.
Both protests would be denied, of course. The umpire's judgement
determines the garbage thing, although I think the game should be
called (but that's my personal opinion...doesn't matter). There
is time only when the ump says, so the second argument is baseless.
--dave
|
8563 | From: theroo@med.unc.edu (Bron D. Skinner Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)
Nntp-Posting-Host: pelham.med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr23.140123.5018@cti.com> rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) writes:
>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:
>
>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20
>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion
>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click
>>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to
>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly
>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump
>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have
>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions?
>
>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!
>
> I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and
> made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most
> evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of
> experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA
> resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable.
>
> My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It
> worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the
> guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed
> a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem.
> So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer
> one.
>
Another alternative is to clean the mouse you've got. Sometimes the
rollers inside the mouse pick up a ball of lint or other debris. Open the
bottom of the mouse, take out the ball and use some alcohol on a Q-tip to
clean it out. Inspect the inside for any hairs or fuzz. I have had my
mouse get real jumpy and cleared up the problem with this procedure.
|
8564 | From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Forsale: Drum things.. CHEAP!
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx..
Lines: 22
North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45
older stand... but definately in working shape.. could
use a little clean up. comes with clutch and felts, etc..
Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20
honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem)
Zildjian 20" Ride cymbal $55
main line zildjian... older ride cymbal
Ludwig snare stand $10
okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;)
shipping extra.. please email
--
Stephen M. Jones <=> sdf.system.administrator
smj@sdf.lonestar.org <Cs&E>
|
8565 | From: Richard Soderberg <richard.soderberg@mic.ki.se>
Subject: What disk drives are out there?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F8983A43017A15@bart.mic.ki.se>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:56:10 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: bart.mic.ki.se
Organization: MIC-KIBIC, the Karolinska Institute, Sweden
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Lines: 14
When sw is delivered you will often (always?) get 360 k
diskettes if you opt for the 5 1/4 inch format. How big a %-tage
of existing PC/XT/AT/PS2's have these low capacity drives as
their only diskette station?
(o o)
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|
8566 | From: gtoye@pssparc2.mitek.com (Gene Toye)
Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers
Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Lines: 8
For Windows 3.1, I have had the best luck using the Epson LQ-2550 drivers
with my Citizen GXS-140+. Be sure to download the updated version from
Microsoft that allows margin settings.
--
Gene Toye, Senior Software Engineer gtoye@pssparc2.oc.com
OpenConnect Systems, 2711 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75234
214/888-0454
DISCLAIMER: My employer had no idea I was going to say that.
|
8567 | From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Edinburgh University
Lines: 36
In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
>one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
>is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
>design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
>see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
>us who have bikes are familiar.
As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know
enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations.
There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over
to begin a turn.
1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over.
2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over.
3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a
torque which twists the bike over.
Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5,
15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be
needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each
effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at
high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off
bugger all, relatively speaking.
By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to
run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running
group where we could start "counter-footing" arguments and have them
all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners?
--
Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
|
8568 | From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Lines: 21
In article <C5K5BM.BtB@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
>the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
>(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
That's a twin-cam, right? There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed. There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.
I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%. If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed. Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
bands.
--
Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu
|
8569 | From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Successful Balloon Flight Measures Ozone Layer
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Lines: 96
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: JPL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Forwarded from:
PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. (818) 354-5011
Contact: Mary A. Hardin
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 15, 1993
#1506
Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory report the
successful flight of a balloon carrying instruments designed to
measure and study chemicals in the Earth's ozone layer.
The April 3 flight from California's Barstow/Daggett Airport
reached an altitude of 37 kilometers (121,000 feet) and took
measurements as part of a program established to correlate data
with the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS).
The data from the balloon flight will also be compared to
readings from the Atmospheric Trace Molecular Spectroscopy
(ATMOS) experiment which is currently flying onboard the shuttle
Discovery.
"We launch these balloons several times a year as part of an
ongoing ozone research program. In fact, JPL is actively
involved in the study of ozone and the atmosphere in three
important ways," said Dr. Jim Margitan, principal investigator on
the balloon research campaign.
"There are two JPL instruments on the UARS satellite," he
continued. "The ATMOS experiment is conducted by JPL scientists,
and the JPL balloon research provides collaborative ground truth
for those activities, as well as data that is useful in its own
right."
The measurements taken by the balloon payload will add more
pieces to the complex puzzle of the atmosphere, specifically the
mid-latitude stratosphere during winter and spring.
Understanding the chemistry occurring in this region helps
scientists construct more accurate computer models which are
instrumental in predicting future ozone conditions.
The scientific balloon payload consisted of three JPL
instruments: an ultraviolet ozone photometer which measures
ozone as the balloon ascends and descends through the atmosphere;
a submillimeterwave limb sounder which looks at microwave
radiation emitted by molecules in the atmosphere; and a Fourier
transform infrared interferometer which monitors how the
atmosphere absorbs sunlight.
Launch occurred at about noontime, and following a three-
hour ascent, the balloon floated eastward at approximately 130
kilometers per hour (70 knots). Data was radioed to ground
stations and recorded onboard. The flight ended at 10 p.m.
Pacific time in eastern New Mexico when the payload was commanded
to separate from the balloon.
"We needed to fly through sunset to make the infrared
measurements," Margitan explained, "and we also needed to fly in
darkness to watch how quickly some of the molecules disappear."
It will be several weeks before scientists will have the
completed results of their experiments. They will then forward
their data to the UARS central data facility at the Goddard Space
Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland for use by the UARS
scientists.
The balloon was launched by the National Scientific Balloon
Facility, normally based in Palestine, Tex., operating under a
contract from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility. The balloon was
launched in California because of the west-to-east wind direction
and the desire to keep the operation in the southwest.
The balloons are made of 20-micron (0.8 mil, or less than
one-thousandth of an inch) thick plastic, and are 790,000 cubic
meters (28 million cubic feet) in volume when fully inflated with
helium (120 meters (400 feet) in diameter). The balloons weigh
between 1,300 and 1,800 kilograms (3,000 and 4,000 pounds). The
scientific payload weighs about 1,300 kilograms (3,000) pounds
and is 1.8 meters (six feet) square by 4.6 meters (15 feet) high.
The JPL balloon research is sponsored by NASA's Upper
Atmosphere Research Program and the UARS Correlative Measurements
Program.
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/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation
| instead.
|
8570 | From: don@hunan.rastek.com (Donald Owen Newbold)
Subject: Re: ATM... ==> Now HPLJ 4 Pricing
Organization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Lines: 41
While there are too many PS clones to count, some of which are quite poor,
trying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require
some patience. Three questions come to mid real quick for something like
this.
Q: Which version of Adobe PS will we clone?
Aside from the level 1 and level 2 issues, Adobe has in the past released
new code that incorporates modifications/upgrades/fixes just as all other
software vendors do. The level 2 stuff may seem sound now, but I assure
you,changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to
dwindle in the face of competition. This allows them to shift people to
maintenance, as well as design efforts for level 3.
Q: Do we duplicate the bugs, or do we make it work correctly?
From the LaserWriter to the LaserJet 4 there have been bugs. (If I had
a number to call at HP or Adobe, they'ld have heard from me.) Deciding
which approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate.
Q: Do we follow the Red Book, or do we follow someone's implementation?
Without a doubt, there are differences between the Red Book and Adobe's
PS. With level 2 many issues have been refined but the Red Book does
leave big, big holes in the implementation specific stuff. It would be
nice it the Red Bood at least pined things down enough so that two
different implementations of Adobe's PS don't do the exact opposite given
an identical set of conditions.
Q: PSCRIPT.DRV?
Having done a lot of PS clone testing myself, the unfortunate side of
testing is the limited number of sources for test files. The primary
source we use is Genoa. And having characterizes their 1992 PS ATS files,
(1300+ of them) over half are taken from PSCRIPT.DRV. It may not ideal,
but the ATS files are what the printer vendors use. I'm sure that Adobe
uses them too, but Adobe's output is by definition correct, even if its
wrong.
Yes, there are some very poor clones. We've seen them here at Rastek (a sub
of Genicom which has its own clone called GeniScript). Some are poor for lack
of design, some are poor because they followed the Red Book, and some are poor
because the vendors don't know what PS is.
Don Newbold don@rastek.com
|
8571 | From: sciysg@nusunix1.nus.sg (Yung Shing Gene)
Subject: Mission Aviation Fellowship
Organization: National University of Singapore
Lines: 3
Hi,
Does anyone know anything about this group and what they
do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
|
8572 | From: carl@teal.csn.org (Carl Podlogar)
Subject: need font family, weight and slant from instance of a widget
Summary: need font family, weight and slant from instance of a widget
Keywords: font
Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Lines: 10
How can I get the font family, weight and slant from an
instance of a widget? Using initFontContext(), getNextFont()
and freeFontContext() I can get the size of the font (and a
bunch of other stuff concerning the font) but nowhere have
I found family, weight and slant. Assume that I do not have
access to the source where family, weight and slant were
orginaly used when creating a fontlist.
Thanks a bunch and have a great day,
Carl
carl@softsolut.com
|
8573 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Historical and Traditional Armenian Barbarism and Fascism.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 28
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 204 (first paragraph).
"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
year old."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
|
8574 | From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey)
Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys?
Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Missouri
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes:
>Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't
>sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it
>would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys
>space.)
It depends on the attack. Adding a bit to the key doubles the amount of
work to be done in a straight brute-force attack, where you try every single
possible key until one works. Processing and storage requirements for this
kind of attack on a 128-bit key seem like they ought to make it effectively
impossible. However, there may be other attacks whose difficulty is (for
example) proportional to, say, 2**sqrt(n), or some such. Also, a long
key does you little good if there is a way to incrementally guess a little
of the key at a time....
>Thanks,
>Dane
--John
|
8575 | Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services
From: Mark Woodruff <CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Subject: Bigger window headings
Lines: 8
Does anyone know of bigger raster fonts? I'm using a Mag 15H monitor with
a Diamond SS24X in 1280x1024 mode and would prefer to have larger characters
for the windows heading (practically for everything). I'm already using the
8514 character sets.
mark
Any idea of the difference between the 15H and the 15F?
|
8576 | From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: mlb.c
Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu
Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 8
Could some kind soul out there e-mail me the 411 on where I can find the mlb.c
program? I'm interested in some road trips this year....
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
|
8577 | From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)
Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first?
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Lines: 25
Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working
and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either:
* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back,
and/or
* A Saturn V went boom.
If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone
head and done some landings, but we also would have been more
determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the
Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend
upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base
would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think
that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value
of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would
have concentrated on the moon.
/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\
| "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving |
| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the |
| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." |
| <John F. Kennedy; May 25, 1961> |
|
8578 | From: stan@tacobel.UUCP (stan)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryp
Organization: The Temple of Stan - TBS World HQ - Concord, Mass, USA
brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless
> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent
> escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is
> the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about
> those two names)
>
Hi, I'm new to Internet, so this is a bit of a test message, so even a
token reply would be very appreciated.
Anyways, reading this I'd figure this would be as excellent a method of
corrupting the ACLU and the EFF as could be wished for. "Who Gaurds the
Guardians?", etc...
|
8579 | From: LesleyD@cup.portal.com (Lesley Volta Davidow)
Subject: Re: Zeos Computers
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
Lines: 11
I recently purchased the then current Pkg.# 486dx-33 for $2395 (but changed
to NEC 3FGx monitor upgrade). Buy this Pkg. #3 now - for $100 more, you now
get a bigger HD - 340mb with @256 HD cache. 30 days ago, when I bought this
pkg., it was 245mb with @132K HD cache. This is a great deal although it is
generally recommended you at least upgrade to the 15' Zeos (CTX) monitor for
$99 more I believe. Whether you also upgrade to the Diamond Viper video
card is your choice. I stayed with the Diamond Speedstar Pro. Zeos Tech
Support is really good - call after normal business hours to get the
fastest access. The hardest part about buying a Zeos is the wait till it is
delivered - once you order you can hardly wait to get it! There are quite a
few good mail order houses around - lots of bang for buck with Zeos.
|
8580 | Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys?
From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann)
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Lines: 17
In <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes:
>What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms?
>I know DES is 56 bits ("tripple DES" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is
>there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere
>that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily
>large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere?
My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream
cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits
(that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire
2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits). Runtime is
independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself.
I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an
arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5).
Peter.
|
8581 | From: beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert)
Subject: Photoshop for Windows
Organization: Groupe de Recherche Operationnelle en Telecommunication (ROT) Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 13
I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop
for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there
a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs "fine-tuning)?
Any comments would be greatly appreciated..
Thank you.
Andre Boisvert
beaver@rot.qc.ca
|
8582 | From: edmahood@infoserv.com (Ed Mahood, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Greek myth and the Bible
Organization: Writer
Lines: 28
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13
In <Pegasus-130393124328@fp1-dialin-7.uoregon.edu>, Pegasus@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie EWBrandt) wrote:
>
> [irrelevant inserts from previous postings deleted]
>
> A definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in
> social anthorpology "The term myth designates traditionally based, dramatic
> narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankind's relationship
> to nature and to the supernatural. ... legends are ususally defined as
> tales concerning other times and places that do not give the same extensive
> emphasis to supernatural themes. Legends, more often than myths, are retold
> purely as entertainment." from Peter B. Hammand's .An introduction to
> Cutural and Social Anthropology. second ed Macmillion page 387. This makes
> the Bible a Fibber Magee's closet, over stuffed with a little bit of every
> thing gleened by a wandering people.
> Pegasus
Now doesn't this sound a lot like the "colorful (or otherwise) story
from antiquity that somehow tries to (or does) explain natural pheno-
mena"? I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that
I know what you mean. The possibility exists that what _looks_ like
"myth" on the surface may be after all much more than "just" a story.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
ed mahood, jr. < edmahood@infoserv.com >
|
8583 | From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 15
karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>That's a twin-cam, right?
Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain.
After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the "replace" zone.
>Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands.
<Sigh> I know .... I know.
--
Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
|
8584 | From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu)
Subject: GRE software, cheap !
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
GRE software for MS-DOS, from StudyWare. original disk, manual.
Tutorial stuff,tests, examples and a lot more.
Retail price is around $50.
Best offer around $15.00, will pay shipping
For best results, you need a graphic display card, EGA or VGA
Jianqing Hu
thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu
|
8585 | From: danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack)
Subject: Re: The truth of the Bible
Organization: Procom Technology, Inc.
Lines: 44
sodium.asc.slb.com@asc.slb.com (Michael A. Montgomery) writes:
>I believe that the God has preserved the Bible perfectly in that it
>perfectly conveys all of the truth that He intended. This He has done
Oh yea? Which version of the Bible is the perfectly preserved one? And
why are there so many translations that are not perfectly preserved? Is
God trying to confuse us?
>Minor changes in wording or even accidental omission of passages in some
>manuscripts does not change the truth being conveyed, nor would it lead a
>serious student into doctrinal error. (Note also that God provided many
But that is exactly what happend. There are so many branches of
denominations of Christianity and deviations of doctrine portruding
from varying translations of biblical texts by "serious students" that
are much too numerous to begin to count. If there is a Perfect Bible,
then there would be no possible misinterpretation and there would be
no need for anyone here to be debating it. On the other hand, maybe
the Bible is perfect, but no one on this planet is perfect enough to
read it correctly, but then there would be no point in God giving us
something we cannot use correctly.
>In short, if you attack the credibility and reliability of the Bible, you
>are on weak ground. Furthermore, the only reason that I can see for wanting
>to do so is to remove the Bible as the final authority, and instead put
>that responsibility on men to sift the Bible to strain out the nuggets of
>truth that it contains (in other words, what they want to believe), and
>ignore the rest. The Bible IS Truth; it does not just contain truth.
IMHO, if you trust your salvation on the reliability of a single book,
you are on weak ground. Remember, In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This Word existed BEFORE
the Bible was written. (Note: Word <==> God). This Word that John is
trying to describe cannot be fully described in any written language,
all languages being IMPERFECT. Realization comes only from contemplation
of the Word, and is outside the boundaries of language. I use the Bible
as a guide, a stepping stone, but in no way is it my final authority.
God alone is the final authority.
--
===========================================================================
Daniel Cossack | danc@procom.com, 71333.2102@compuserve.com
Senior Software Engineer | 2181 Dupont Drive, Irvine, CA 92715
Procom Technology, Inc. | +1 714 852 1000
|
8586 | From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)
Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 9
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
>As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for
>specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical.
The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would
result in saying "Sayonara" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical,
isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of
people are worried about already....
|
8587 | From: mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Lines: 40
In <Apr.19.05.14.08.1993.29279@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
> Hello,
> I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the
>newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other.
>Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy...
>1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.
More correctly: when people die, they cease to exist.
>2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death
> is unfair.
> I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition,
>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die.
The idea I've gotten is that to christians, Hell is -- like Heaven --
afterlife; i.e, you don't cease to exist, but are subjected to eternal
torture (well, that's the orthodox idea anyway; "eternal death" if you
prefer that). Atheists don't believe in any sort of afterlife.
> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think
>that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus
>with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these state-
>ments as metaphorical.
I think it's safe to say that Hell was never intended metaphorical. Certainly
not the equivalent of ceasing to exist. Some christian concepts are indeed
metaphors, but your idea of Hell is a 20th century interpretation. It is, of
course, nice to see that even christianity might evolve to fit the worldview
of modern age, but I fear the church will not accept it. Understandably, per-
haps, because if you accept that Hell is a metaphor, then you're one step
closer to turning God into a metaphor as well.
--
Antti Lahelma | mtf@saha.hut.fi | GNOTHI SEAUTON
Lehtotie 3 -O- stel@purkki.apu.fi -*- ====== =======
00630 HELSINKI | <<Jumalat ovat pakanoille suosiollisia>> | TUNNE ITSESI
|
8588 | Subject: Automated X testing
From: mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier)
Organization: Southwest Research Institute
Lines: 13
Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing
of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could
program (or which could record events/output) with our verification
test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression
testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX
projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark D. Collier Southwest Research Institute
Senior Research Analyst Automation and Data Systems Division
Voice: (512) 522-3437 Data Systems Department
FAX: (512) 522-5499 Software Engineering Section
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|
8589 | From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard)
Subject: Re: ** Need Advice ** (about Tech Works etc.)
Article-I.D.: oracle.1993Apr6.185706.15033
Organization: Oracle Corp
Lines: 34
Nntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those
of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
Gregory Welch writes:
>
> ... I followed the instructions for
>returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks.
>
>Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were
>ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me "Why we never
>received your old chips." I then explained I the procedure that I had
>followed to return them, to which the person replied "You mean you sent them
>US Mail?" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.) I was
>told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that
>I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. ...
I also returned PB memory last summer for credit, and the sales person warned
me not to use US mail. I did (although I did insure the shipment), and
apparently Techworks got it.
My minor grip with techworks is that they have different price lists for
different people. I ordered DUO memory, thinking I got their "best" price
because of my employeer. I subsequently found out that Apple was offering
developers memory for less than techworks charged, called up to complain,
and was told I should have said I was an apple developer and they credited
my card for about 16% of the purchase price. I like techworks quality
and installation instructions (and they include powerbook tools), but
for out-of-CA purchases (no sales tax) chip merchant seems to be a bit less.
--
Forrest Howard
Oracle Corporation
500 Oracle Parkway
Box 65414
Redwood Shores, CA 94065
|
8590 | From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: seating ergonomics - headroom
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 14
In article <930411.153152.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:
>My physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position
>for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not
>to be much higher than my hips.
> [...]
>Are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to
>having both headroom and a well designed seat height?
Take a look at mini-vans. I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat
and plenty of headroom.
--
Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
|
8591 | From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)
Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]
Lines: 35
Brian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote:
:
: Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that
: the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact
: the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes?
:
: Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very
: cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing
: on my own personal day-to-day life?
Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the
events surrounding Jesus' life?
2Pe 1 16 ¶ We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you
about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were
eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the
voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom
I love; with him I am well pleased."¹
2Pe 1 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we
were with him on the sacred mountain.
2Pe 1 19 ¶ And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and
you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark
place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
This is a documented testimony. Perhaps further research on your part is
warranted before making more statements. There is considerably more to study
in Peters' two books of testimony regarding the Messiah. It is well worth
your time, Mr. Brian.
Jim Burrill
|
8592 | From: edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel)
Subject: HELP! Need JPEG / MPEG encod-decode
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Lines: 41
I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need
of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code.
This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I
hope to release to other educational and institutional
learning centers.
This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent
over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good
GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can
be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End)
I would like to hear about it.
We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group)
that will concern itself with the developement of such application
and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX
Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...).
At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it
our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major
platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK
We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group
be form to deal with these issues.
We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as
Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ.
If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be
of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our
first FAQ please send it email to the address below.
Thanks in Advance
Ed
P.O. box 95901
Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901
(404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4
epimntl@world.std.com
ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org
--
edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel)
gatech!kd4nc!vdbsan!willard!edimg
emory!uumind!willard!edimg
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
|
8593 | From: blaakso@ua.d.umn.edu (Brian Laakso)
Subject: PC Transporter FOR SALE
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Lines: 18
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu
Hello All,
I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a
GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a
co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5
drive. So what you get is :
PC Transporter (no problems runs great)
Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions
All needed harware with color adapter for monitor
8087 co processor installed on board
All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC)
one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS)
Brian Laakso
Send me your reasonable offers....
email blaakso@ub.d.umn.edu
|
8594 | From: rik@csc.liv.ac.uk (Rik Turnbull)
Subject: String to Widget Resource Converter
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
Lines: 52
Nntp-Posting-Host: bobr.csc.liv.ac.uk
Can anybody tell me how to use the Xmu function "XmuCvtStringToWidget". I
want to specify a widget name in a resource file so that I can connect
two widgets together on an XmForm. ie.
MyProggy*MyListSW.topWidget: MainTextSW
However, when I run the program, I get the message:
Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Window' conversion.
(Just like the manual sez).
I have managed to find this bit of code which seems to be the correct way
to go about this:
static XtConvertArgRec parentCvtArgs[] = {
{
XtWidgetBaseOffset,
(XtPointer)XtOffsetOf( CoreRec, core.parent ),
sizeof(CoreWidget)
}
};
XtSetTypeConverter( XtRString, XtRWidget, XmuCvtStringToWidget,
parentCvtArgs, XtNumber(parentCvtArgs), XtCacheAll, NULL );
However, I haven't got a clue where to put it! The example code I have seems
to suggest I can only do this if I am creating my own widget; but elsewhere it
says that I can add it to a widget's "class_intialize" function. HOW? What's
one of those? :-(
If anybody has any code to do this, please let me know the trick - I'm sure
this is a FAQ.
Thanks in advance,
Rik.
PS: What are the header files "CoreP.h" and "IntrinsicsP.h" - should I use
these or "Core.h" and "Intrinsics.h" (OK I know RTFM:-)
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| | |
| Richard Turnbull | |
| | Dept. Computer Science |
| E-mail: | University of Liverpool |
| rik@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk | Liverpool L69 3BX |
| | England |
| Phone: (051) 794 3704 | |
| | |
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|
8595 | From: tbdrude@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: Local Dealer Service (WAS: The infamous Gateway 2000 video/monitor problem: info requested!)
Article-I.D.: infonode.1993Apr6.215651.15518
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Lines: 42
In article <93092.143450GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <C4uEoM.EvF@odin.corp.sgi.com>, mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) says:
>>So, by going mailorder through Gateway, I save ~13%. Plus, I get
>>technical support over the phone, free software package.
>Have fun trying to get hold of technical support over the phone. At least
>locally you can walk right up to the dealer and tell him what is wrong, and
>he has to fix it.
^^^
How long does he have to take in fixing it? Does he have to use new
parts when he repairs it or can he substitute used parts without your
knowledge? Can he charge you for repairs that should be under warranty
but he claims are due to improper maintenance on your part?
When it comes to local dealers:
- Have fun getting consistently good support. Most of their "techs" are
re-treaded salesmen, not trained technicians, with a high turnover rate.
- Have fun getting in-warranty work done quickly and courteously.
- Have fun getting out-of-warranty work done cheaply, or even done
period, unless you are on a paid service contract.
Having been both a service technician, and a service manager, at a
ComputerLand franchise and another retail computer place, I know what
I'm talking about.
I also know the "local service" scam that retail computer dealers like
to push when they're selling. It's that same old song that car dealers
having been singing for years -- "Buy from me and you'll get good
service. We always treat our customers right! Buy from my competition
and you'll be sorry if you need service."
Experienced mail order buyers know that there are some mail order
companies that give excellent service, including overnight replacement parts,
on-site calls, etc. There are probably some local dealers that can give you
good service, too. But if you think all local dealers give consistenly good
service, you are wrong. I have many anectdotes to prove my point,
but I'm sure there are others on the net can do a better job than I can.
- Ted Drude (tbdrude@infonode.ingr.com)
|
8596 | From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Subject: Daily Verse
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
Lines: 4
Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 18:4
|
8597 | From: matthews@Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews)
Subject: Re: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES
Reply-To: matthews@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Lines: 22
In article <1r4f8b$euu@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:
>
> someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture
> needles.....
>
>Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who
>themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS
>from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal
>immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant
>involved with acupuncture needle insertion.
>
Isn't this what HIV is about - the "normal immune response" to an exposure?
>Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away.
I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken
from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT
sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh
from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I
probably should have raised hell!
Any comments? No excuses.
|
8598 | From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer")
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 7
I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it
is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has
to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated
before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I
totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the
existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights.
Just wondering
|
8599 | From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA
Lines: 40
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:
>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.
>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and
>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics
>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.
No, there's no evidence that would convince any but the most credulous.
The "evidence" is identical to the sort of evidence that has been
used to justify all sorts of quack treatments for quack diseases
in the past.
>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly
>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough
>actually treating patients.
I like the implication here. It must not be that the quacks making
millions off such "diseases" are biased -- rather that those who
doubt their existence don't understand the real world. It seems
easy to picture a 19th centure snake oil salesman saying the same
thing.
However, I have been in the trenches long enough to have seen multiple
quack diseases rise and fall in popularity. "Systemic yeast syndome"
seems to be making a resurgence (it had fallen off a few years ago).
There will be new such "diseases" I'm sure with best-selling books
and expensive therapies.
>If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my
>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee
>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as
>far as I am concerned.
Well this, of course, is convincing. I guess I'd better start diagnosing
any illnesses that people want so that I can keep my lips.
--
David Rind
rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
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