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8900 | From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)
Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark
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Organization: Walla Walla College
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In article <16BB112DFC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
>Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:28:27 GMT
>In article <healta.136.734813153@saturn.wwc.edu>
>healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes:
>
>(Deletion)
>>You also said,"Why did millions suffer for what Adam and Ee did? Seems a
>>pretty sick way of going about creating a universe..."
>>
>>I'm gonna respond by giving a small theology lesson--forgive me, I used
>>to be a theology major.
>>First of all, I believe that this planet is involved in a cosmic struggle--
>>"the Great Controversy betweed Christ and Satan" (i borrowed a book title).
>>God has to consider the interests of the entire universe when making
>>decisions.
>(Deletion)
>
>An universe it has created. By the way, can you tell me why it is less
>tyrannic to let one of one's own creatures do what it likes to others?
>By your definitions, your god has created Satan with full knowledge what
>would happen - including every choice of Satan.
>
>Can you explain us what Free Will is, and how it goes along with omniscience?
>Didn't your god know everything that would happen even before it created the
>world? Why is it concerned about being a tyrant when noone would care if
>everything was fine for them? That the whole idea comes from the possibility
>to abuse power, something your god introduced according to your description?
>
>
>By the way, are you sure that you have read the FAQ? Especially the part
>about preaching?
> Benedikt
I don't feel that I'm preaching. I'm just trying to answer people's
questions and talking about my religion, my beliefs.
When it comes to what I post, I don't do it with the intent of converting
anyone. I don't expect for the atheists in this newsgroup to take what I
say with a grain of salt if they so wish.
I just state what I beleve, they ask me how I believeit and why and we all
go on.
If that's preaching, then I'm soory and I'll get off the soapbox.
Tammy
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8901 | Organization: City University of New York
From: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Model United Nations
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Just observed at the National Model United Nations here in NYC.
Just one word on it : AWSOME.
Peace, matt
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8902 | From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Fungus "epidemic" in CA?
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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Distribution: na
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In article <19435@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes:
>>
>>>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort
>>>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat
>>>widespread in California. Anybody hear anything about this one?
>>
>
>The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis. I
>hadn't heard that it attacked bone. It attacks lung and if you
>are especially unlucky, the central nervous system. Nothing new
>about it. It's been around for years. THey call it "valley
>fever", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast.
There is a mini-epidemic of Coccidiodes that is occurring in,
I believe, the Owen's Valley/ Bishop area east of the Sierras.
I don't believe there has been any great insight into the
increased incidence in that area. There is a low-level
of endemic infection in that region. Many people with
evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have
serious disease.
Brian
>
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8903 | From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
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In article <1993Apr20.034724.3748@colnet.cmhnet.org> res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
>>> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just
>>>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions
>>>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from
>>
>>2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off
>>the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better,
>>I could probably come up with a _very_ good system.
>
>Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent
>to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?
Actually, old video games and pinball machines are supposed to work pretty
good (at blocking EM eavesdropping), too. Those things put out a LOT of EM
noise. Back in the 80's, I read about computer companies putting bunches
of games in their buildings for just this purpose (not to mention the $$$).
Dane
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8904 | From: jas37876@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Slagel)
Subject: Re: int15h for joysticks is slow....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something
>like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this
>is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead().
>The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and
>so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in
>a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or
>clockspeed specific?
The joystick reads in anolog values through a digital port. How?
You send a command to the port to read it, then you time how long
it takes for the joystick port to set a certain bit. This time
is proportional to the joystick position. Obviously, since time
is used as a position, you cannot get rid of this ridiculus waste
of time. If you wrote your own routine instead of the BIOS, it
would speed it up some, but the time would still be there.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
John A. Slagel "My old man used to tell me, before he left this
j-slagel1@uiuc.edu shitty world, never chase buses or women- you
(217) 337-7930 always get left behind." -The Marlboro Man
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8905 | From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch)
Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals??
Distribution: world
Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site)
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In article <C5nz60.99z@scraps.uucp>, Frank Holden KA3UWW writes:
> >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage
> >levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have
> >a suggestion?? Thanks.
>
> Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what
> you want. They are selling it for about $3.50...
Are you sure that he needs a two way converter? If he wants only
RS232->TTL I would suggest the MC1489, its very cheap (0.80 DM in
Germany). This chip needs only +5V. The MC1488 TTL->RS232-Converter
uses +12V and -12V.
BTW... The MAX232 and compatibles seem to be expensive in the USA...
I paid 2.95 DM for a ITS80272 (made by Harris), its absolutely
compatible with the MAX232 or the ICL232.
Gerrit
--
Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany
Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9)
If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a
lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid
enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91)
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8906 | From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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<STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu>
<1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu's message of 20 Apr 93 22:38:07 GMT
In article <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
In article <STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
> Why Paul, it's obvious.
> Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,
> as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will
> :-) :-) :-)
Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The
chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving
dominance in the marketplace.
Darn, caught by the white hot heat of technological progress again...
Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced
white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the
metal.
Spoilsport. Hence the need for increasing fashion
emphasis on anodise Ti jewelry...
> Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis
> in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe
> the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local
> use...
Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are
there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)
I did not evade the issue at all. I clearly stated that
this would be from diabolical foresight in establishing
a sheltered industrial base for the upcoming Great War ;-)
Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-)
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* But, oh, love is strange *
* and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, *
* I suppose - B.B. 1983 *
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8907 | From: jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: Workspace Managers for Win 3.1 - a small review
Organization: Zikzak Public Access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
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NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for
Windows 3.1. I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's
MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some
sites in the U.S. The three I found were:
1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip)
This was the smallest and simplest
of the workspace managers that I found. It is very easy to use.
It displays a small window, containing 6 buttons, plus an extra
button for configuration purposes. One annoying feature was the
title window that is first presented when it is run - you must press
a key (not a mouse button!) for the thing to go away. Also, it would
have been nice if there was an "ALWAYS ON TOP" setting for the little
window containing the workspace buttons. Maybe some user-specified
strings on the buttons instead of the numbers one to six might be
a nice feature. The simplicity and ease of use of this workspace
manager makes it an attractive package.
2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip)
While this workspace manager offered a
few features that WORKSPACES 1.10 lacked, it was quite time consuming
to set things up. With WORKSPACES 1.10, all but the first workspace
is initially empty. With WORKSHIFT 1.6, you need to take "snapshots"
of how you want each of your workspaces to look like - i.e. what
applications they contain. Also, the main window is quite large,
but this does allow you to have a small view of what is in each workspace.
With WORKSPACES 1.10, there was no facility for viewing what was in
a workspace without switching to it. WORKSHIFT 1.6 provides this
viewing functionality which is quite useful.
3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip)
This is an interesting package, which contains
a few other goodies as well as a workspace manager. Other goodies
include "Backmenu", which provides a pop-up root menu when you
press a certain mouse button - just like in X-Windows. The menu
is totally configurable, offering unlimited depth of cascading menus,
which is provides quite handy access to applications. You could
say it is a menu-based alternative to the program manager. Also
bundled in "backdesk.zip" is a program called "WRUN", which allows
you to run windows applications from a DOS shell under WINDOWS
instead of using the File Manager to run applications.
The actual workspace manager is called BIGDESK 2.30. BIGDESK works quite
differently to the other two workspace managers in that it
doesn't provide a certain number of disjoint and separate workspaces.
In fact, it basically enlarges your desktop by a configurable amount,
and you choose which region of the desktop you want your screen to
focus in on. This means you can have windows overlapping between different
viewing regions, unlike the first two workspace managers in which
each workspace was isolated from the other one. The BIGDESK control window
allows to to move windows around your enlarged desktop. Basically
the control window provides a small scale view of your viewing area
while your actual computer screen provides a large scale or blow-up
of a particular section.
Try each of them out for yourself. I was impressed with all of them,
so find out which one suits your needs the best.
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8908 | From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
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MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:
> In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours
> > after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink
> > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
>
> 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
> 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
> 2 hours/drink for the rest.
I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago. (What the hey- my employer
paid for it...)
We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze
and a 195 pound person in mind. Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140,
I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned
above. Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151...
Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car. I may only
have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very
rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride.
Pretty simple.
>
> These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to
> have a low tolerance or body mass.
> I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
> usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
> could very well be over the legal limit.
> Watch yourself.
> -Mike
Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer,
even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and "safe" in your cage...
> ________________________________________________
> / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
> \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.
--
Dean Woodward | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
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8909 | From: biediger@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . Biediger)
Subject: Tangent Computer (EISA LB system)
Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
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Has anyone here dealt with Tangent? I'm looking at an 486 system
they have that has an EISA backplane with a VESA slot for video.
The SCSI contoller they use is made by Aorta. I've never heard
of this brand. Can anyone comment on Tangent or the controller?
Thanks,
David
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8910 | From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
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brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
> Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specificall
> the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats)
> will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and
> to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the
> device will be delayed.
Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to
steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a
pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances
are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done
professionally.
> Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate
> with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from
> key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means.
No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations.
True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say
something like "The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"
when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the
speaker is.
No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new
proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will
be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper.
To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other
strong encryption devices.
Regards,
Vesselin
--
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
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8911 | Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs
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In article <1993Apr22.213815.12288@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes:
>
>> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!!
>
>If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that
>McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the
>choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this
>guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'?
>
>It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what
>are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small
>wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we
>have the problems that we do.
>
>[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was
>quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.]
Was that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it
seemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-)
--
... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ............ alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ...
"And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time and lost in space" (RHPS)
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8912 | From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why?
Organization: University of Missouri
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
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In article <kingoz.735066879@camelot>
kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:
>
> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning
> it was. Are they still, officially?
> If so, why? and how did they receive this label?
>
> Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why?
> Orin.
> Bradley U>
>
>
>
>--
>I'm really a jester in disguise!
Sorry, but I saw a survey somewhere that showed that America's favorite
team is the Damn Yankees. So much for the underdogs being loved.
ObBaseball Trivia: Cardinals have taken 3 out of 5 series from the Yanks
but have a losing record against them (Spring training games not counted)
--Shannon
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8913 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
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In article <1qknu0INNbhv@shelley.u.washington.edu>, > Christian: washed in
the blood of the lamb.
> Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull.
>
> If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion,
> do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been
> reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not
> on the Endangered Species List.
This will be a hard task, because most cultures used most animals
for blood sacrifices. It has to be something related to our current
post-modernism state. Hmm, what about used computers?
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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8914 | From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Subject: Re: Schedule...
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none
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In article <121411@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:
>In article <1qup1lINNotb@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes:
>F**king *NO* hockey games televised nationally tonight! What the hell is
>this??? Why the hell is ESPN showing some stupid baseball game, when
>baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the
>playoffs??? No, wait, I know the answer: $$$$$$ But still! It really
.
.
.
ESPN had the Houston Astros @ Chicago Cubs game scheduled for last night on the
west coast.
Since the game was rained out, they showed the Toronto Maple Leafs at the
Detroit Red Wings game instead.
Stan Willis
net contact: LA Kings
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8915 | From: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk (David Hembrow)
Subject: Re: SID chip to IBM system bus
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Mr MC Howell (g90h6721@hippo.ru.ac.za) wrote:
: Please don't ask questions like "why don't you buy a soundblaster". The
: answer is simple "Overpriced considering the sound quality".
Why not try one of the projects to build a DAC connected to the parallel
port as documented in some files which come with modplay ? These vary from
a 4 DAC design to a simple single DAC made only of resistors.--
David Hembrow EO Europe Ltd.,
email: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk Abberley House, Granhams Road,
Great Shelford, Cambridge CB2 5LQ, England
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8916 | From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Keywords: n
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Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
>place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no
>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
home.
But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.
I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
vandals away. :---)
steve
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8917 | From: davidr@davidr.mentorg.com (David Ransier)
Subject: DOS6-W4WG Problem???
Nntp-Posting-Host: davidr.mentorg.com
Organization: mentor
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I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6.
What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager. I've
added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region
that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row.
These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus. the pulldown menus
look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom
few pixels of the task buttons.
Anyone else experience this?
Thanks.
+++++++++++++
David Ransier davidr@pdx.mentorg.com These comments are my own. I paid for
Office: (503) 685-1528 them. I own them. They're not my
Fax: (503) 685-7704 employers, and you can't have them.
+++++++++++++
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8918 | From: lbyler@cup.hp.com (Larry Byler)
Subject: Re: Problem with Maxtor 340Mb IDE drive
Article-I.D.: cup.C533Lx.Ao3
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10]
First of all, thanks to those of you who responded, both here and via e-mail.
The tips didn't pan out, but it was good hearing from you.
Now, following up to my earlier post:
[...]
: Disk controller: Acculogic sIDE-3 2 hard/2 floppy IDE controller
: Jumpers: All defaulted (shown as *):
: Normal IRQ*/delayed IRQ Primary*/secondary floppy address
: Single*/dual speed floppy Primary*/secondary IDE address
: Precomp = 125ns*/187 ns IOCHRDY not driven*/IDE drive controls IOCHRDY
[...]
: Other cards: (didn't check brand) 2 Serial/1 Parallel adapter
: Logitech Bus Mouse adapter
: Roland MPU-401-compatible MIDI interface
: Configured with default IRQ 2, mem address 0330
I opened up the box and removed all the "other cards" above. No help there.
Then, not having anything better to try, I changed Normal IRQ to Delayed
IRQ on the disk controller (didn't make any difference) and IOCHRDY_not_
driven to IDE_drive_controls_IOCHRDY (also had no effect). So I put
everything back to the way it was and re-installed the cards.
I then unplugged the floppy drive cable from the disk controller. Voila!,
the PC booted from power up, although it seemed to take several seconds
before the first access to the hard disk. Plug the floppy cable back
to the controller and the original (non-boot) behavior returns.
O.K., with this additional information, does anyone in netland have any
words of wisdom for what's going on and how I should deal with it?
-Larry "still (un)plugging away" Byler-
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8919 | From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
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wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:
>Especially as we approach a time when Scientists are trying to match God's
>ability to create life, we should use the utmost caution.
I question the implications of this statement; namely, that there are certain
physical acts which are limited to God and that attempting to replicate these
acts is blasphemy against God. God caused a bush to burn without being
consumed--if I do the same thing, am I usurping God's role?
Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically
removing the physical "proofs" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to
rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase
science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing.
Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
Oakland University, Rochester, MI
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
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8920 | From: michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael S. A. Robb)
Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything?
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.
Lines: 44
In article <TKLD.93Apr2123341@burns.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> tkld@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Davidson) writes:
>
>> In my opinion, a programming degree is still worth having.
>
> Yes, but a CS degree is *not* a programming degree. Does anybody know of
>a computing course where *programming* is taught ? Computer Science is
>a branch of maths (or the course I did was).
> I've also done a Software Engineering course - much more practical and likely
>to be the sort of thing an employer really wants, rather than what they think
>they want, but also did not teach programming. The ability to program was
>an entry requirement.
At Robert Gordon University, programming was the main (most time-consuming)
start of the course. The first two years consisted of five subjects:
Software Engineering (Pascal/C/UNIX), Computer Engineering (6502/6809/68000
assembler), Computer Theory (LISP/Prolog), Mathematics/Statistics and
Communication Skills (How to pass interviews/intelligence tests and group
discussions e.g. How to survive a helicopter crash in the North Sea).
The third year (Industrial placement) was spent working for a computer company
for a year. The company could be anywhere in Europe (there was a special
Travel Allowance Scheme to cover the visiting costs of professors).
The fourth year included Operating Systems(C/Modula-2), Software Engineering
(C/8086 assembler), Real Time Laboratory (C/68000 assembler) and Computing
Theory (LISP). There were also Group Projects in 2nd and 4th Years, where
students worked in teams to select their own project or decide to work for an
outside company (the only disadvantage being that specifications would change
suddenly).
In the first four years, there was a 50%:50% weighting between courseworks and
exams for most subjects. However in the Honours year, this was reduced to a
30%:70% split between an Individual Project and final exams (no coursework
assessment) - are all Computer Science courses like this?
BTW - we started off with 22 students in our first year and were left with 8 by
Honours year. Also, every course is tutored separately. Not easy trying
to sleep when you are in 8 student class :-).
Cheers,
Michael
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|
8921 | From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 35
matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:
>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>: >>
>: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
>: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there
>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
>:
>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be
>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car?
I can't tell if Matt is being sarcastic here or not, but to be honest, many
automobiles are worth far more to their owners (in $$ value and $$ investment)
than the people that would take them. I don't have figures on average property
tax in the U.S. or how much of it is allocated for housing projects, inferior
public schools, jails, or the like, but I have a feeling that the amount the
government steals from an honest, productive citizen to breed this trash is
significantly less than the value of many automobiles. And for those who will
argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to
mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot
be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they
are not human beings. Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track. And
Chintan Amin remarked earlier that we cannot blame environment for the actions
of a single criminal. I couldn't agree more. One could trace any crime back
to the environment/upbringing of the criminal; should we let all of them out,
from pickpockets to rapists to inside traders, because what they did wasn't
their fault? Where does one draw the line?
$0.02
Michael T. Chaffee
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email
mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail
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8922 | From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation
Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
Lines: 22
In article <lsk1v9INN93c@caspian.usc.edu> zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:
>
>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?
>Is there any reference to it?
>Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage?
There is a vast literature on Delaunay triangulations, literally
hundreds of papers. A program is even provided with every copy of
Mathematica nowadays. You might look at this if you are interested in
using it for creating 3D objects:
@article{Boissonnat5,
author = "J.D. Boissonnat",
title = "Geometric Structures for Three-Dimensional Shape Representation",
journal = "ACM Transactions on Graphics",
month = "October",
year = {1984},
volume = {3},
number = {4},
pages = {266-286}
}
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8923 | From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Subject: Re: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group
Lines: 13
/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> / 3:34 pm Apr 18, 1993 /
>>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect
>>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Listen buddy, if you're going to quote Star Trek get the quote right. It was
>"Resistance is futile". Get it right the next time :-)
Sounds like a VOGON quote to me..... Perhaps YOU should READ more widely
instead of watching that idiot box....
Rick.
|
8924 | From: maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu (Pat T Maloney)
Subject: Pontiac e-mail Car clubs
Nntp-Posting-Host: badlands.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 8
I am interested to know if there is any Pontiac e-mail car clubs out
there? Has anyone started one, or is anybody thinking about starting one.
Thanks for any info you can give me
maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu
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8925 | From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 30
In rec.food.cooking, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?
>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before
>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are
>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?
>
I know that there is MSG sensitivity. When I eat foods with MSG I get
very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash. I first
experienced this problem when I worked close to Chinatown and ate Chinese
food almost everyday for lunch. Now I can't tolerate MSG at all. I can
notice immediately when I have eaten any. I try to avoid MSG completely.
Interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing
the exact same rash on their hands. I couldn't understand why because I
don't MSG in cooking and we ask for no MSG when we do eat Chinese (I still
love it). After some investigation I knew that Oodles of Noodles where
one of their favorite foods. One of the main ingredients in the flavor
packets is MSG. Now I look at all labels. You would be surprised at
places you find MSG.
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8926 | From: Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu>
Subject: Re: printer, blp elite
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:02:42 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.42
Organization: Calvin College
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In article <ghoetker.734703475@nova> Glen Hoetker,
ghoetker@nova.sti.nasa.gov writes:
> I'm in the market for a Post-script compatible laser writer. My needs
> are pretty modest so 300 dpi, 4 pages a minute would be just fine.
> My budget is also pretty modest, so inexpensive would also be good.
> It will be working from a single mac, but networkability would
> probably be a good investment for the future.
>
>With that in mind...
>
> 1) Anyone have comments about the suitability/quality/value of a GCC
> BLP Elite printer?
I just recently purchased the GCC BLP Elite and I really like it. My
needs
are much the same as what you describe. In addition, I wanted to get one
that
I could access via AppleTalk, so that eliminated the new line of
inexpensive
printers from Apple. The print quality is good to excellent based on
what
font you're using and what paper you use. I'm still experimenting with
different papers, but a medium grade laser printer paper seems to work
fine.
Printing envelopes, transpariencies, letter head, or other single feed
jobs is
very easy. There is an adjustable, automatic centering, guide on top of
the
sheet feeder which aligns the paper properly (and doesn't feed a sheet
from
the sheet feeder, as some do).
(I have no affiliation with GCC, just a satisfied customer.)
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fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College
(616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
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|
8927 | From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price)
Subject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay?
Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.
Lines: 31
In article <C5JFnp.FCx@world.std.com>, jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)
wrote:
>
> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes:
> >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> >>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:
> >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with
> >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample
> >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options
> >>>button next to the microphone icon.
> >>How do you click on the Options button? I've never seen it undimmed.
>
> > The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone
> >cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim.
The audio will simply select the CD audio when the microphone is removed.
I don't believe the button un-dims, since there's nothing to select. I
haven't tracked down a Centris to check this on though.
> Sorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal
> CD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900. Obviously they don't.
Yup, I made the same mistake several months ago when this issue came up
before :-)
noah
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|
8928 | From: dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer)
Subject: Re: Changing Motherboards - Messing With Connectors
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccscola
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Lines: 40
In article <93105.073119IP06015@portland.caps.maine.edu> Jozef Slaby <IP06015@portland.caps.maine.edu> writes:
>When I changed my motherboard I had a lot of trouble getting
>LED,SPKR,TURBO,TURBOSWITCH,HDD,KLCK,RST, connectors correctly
>reconnected. For example Turbo Switch had three wires and
>the motherboard connection only two pins... and so on.
>
>Does anyone know a solution to this. Do I need to rewire the
>connectors or what is the best way to approach this.
>It is somewhat frustrating. I got it to work somehow but my Turbo
>switch doesn't work at all.
>
I just put replaced the motherboard in a system and had similar questions.
My 2 cents worth:
The speaker connector should have two wires going to the speaker.
A speaker being a coil, it's bidirectional and makes no difference
which way you attach.
Turbo switch. There are three wires to control how you want turbo
to become active- with the switch pushed in or the switch out. I think
the middle wire is common. Use an ohm meter to figure out which wire
connects with the common wire when the switch is pushed in, and which two
wires are connected when the switch is out. Place the appropriate
two wires on the turbo berg connector of the motherboard.
LED's: (Turbo and HD) LED's are uni directional. Depending which
way the wires are attached the LED will not light. On my AMI motherboard,
if the turbo switch wires are not attached to the berg connector on the
board, the board will power up in default in Turbo mode. If your motherboard
is like that... just attace the LED wires to the board. If the LED doesn't
light, power off, reverse the connectors and try again. It should work.
If it does, then attach the turbo switch to the board.
Hope this helps.
Dan Moyer
Dan.Moyer@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
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8929 | From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)
Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing
Organization: Macquarie University
Lines: 60
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au
In article <1993Apr5.083324.48826@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design.
|> What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want
|> to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount
|> of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a
|> selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the
|> snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured
|> as they come to the different color pellets.
|>
|> The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees)
|> and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and
|> the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also,
|> two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing
|> cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of
|> 5 volts and are small in size. But again, the time of discharge at -40 or lower
|> degrees isn't linear. I was thinking of using several timers chained together
|> to fire the selonid at the end of the timing period, but that blasted cold and
|> the drain on a battery over six weeks is the pain. One possibility would be to
|> use solar panels, but this is during the six month twilight. Anyone have any
|> good ideas ?
|>
|> Thanks in advance...
|>
|> -=-= Wes =-=-
Firstly, I would never consider trying to make a one-shot timer. Your 2F2 cap
will have been designed as a RAM battery substitute, rather than for use in
applications where you wish to drain the cap with a constant current. Their
performance, in some respects, is more akin to batteries than to a normal cap.
The other point is that big electro's are usually rated with -5%+20% tolerances,
so calculating exactly what capacitance you have (particularly when considering
the cold).
You should be looking at designing a micropower oscillator and divider chain,
that "rolls over" (from zero to maximum count, or vice-versa) once every
1,209,600 seconds. If you were to use something like a 110Hz clock, you would
need a divider chain of 2^27, to give an error of less than one percent in the
firing times over the six week period. Of course, you could trim the 110Hz
oscillator to give you exact time, but the likelyhood of the oscillator
remaining exactly constant at -40 is low anyway.
I would suspect that there would be far more battrey drain in firing the
solenoid than there would be in the timer circuit.
Caveat - I'm not experienced in low temperature electronics, so I can't
guarantee that this (or any other) approach is the best for inhospitable
conditions.
JohnH
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8930 | From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
>
>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |
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| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |
| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that |
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8931 | From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")
Subject: Re: Classic CDs 4 sale!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 7
Hey, I can't send mail to you, so....
Could you please resend me your address? I lost it (for H. in
Moscow)
Thanks,
Jon
|
8932 | From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)
Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape)
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Bill Conner (bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote:
: There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread
: that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can
: be understood as processes of nature - exclusively.
This definition does not include all atheists (see the FAQ). However,
I (for one) do think there is no need to invoke any divine or
spiritual explanations.
It makes a big difference to claim that all things can be understood
as natural processes, and to claim that our observations do not
require us to postulate any divine intervention, or anything spiritual,
for that matter. Humans are not omnipotent, and neither is science.
However, science has one advantage theology doesn't: it is self-
correcting, with nature as its judge.
It is delightful to see how scientific inquiry is revealing a self-
consistent, simple picture of our universe. Science is no longer
a bunch of separate branches, it is one. From particle physics to
psychology. And no aspect of our life, or our universe, is safe
from its stern and stony eye. Not even our consciousness.
There is no need
: for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is
: no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by
: physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is
: determnined.
Actually, determinism vs. indeterminism is a philosophical question,
and science cannot say whether the whole thing is actually somehow
superdeterministic or not. I think the question does not have
any meaning, as far as individual human beings go. If their apparent
free will is an illusion, it does not appear to be so from their
perspective. Bill, can you say _for sure_ whether you have a free
will or not?
: This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all
: its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it
: acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident.
Maybe. Who are we to tell? It seems intelligence is useful - when
during the history of Earth has _one species_ been able to control
one third of the whole biosphere? This can still be a result of
numerous happy accidents our genetic machinery blindly replicates
and preserves. Even that machinery can be result of the same
principle - only the systems that can start replicating will
survive, those which don't don't make it. (Recommended reading: t.o)
: For an atheist, no
: event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less
: value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about-
: an event can have value.
From whose perspective? I value events and things subjectively, from
my perspective. Nature does not have values, because it does not have
a perspective - values arise from awareness. If I have a subjective
perspective, it is easy to assume that other people also do, and if
I think about what it would it be like in their position, I will
eventually discover the Golden Rule. Morality is not necessarily
a gift from heavens, in fact, it may be a product of evolution.
Perhaps we are aware of ourselves because a sense of identity
is helpful, allows us to play the roles of others and make us respect
others who seem to have identity, too.
Bill, have you ever read Aristotle? Try his Ethica Nikomakhea (sp.)
for starters.
: How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing
: the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On
: what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It
: seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you
: have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what
: in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to
: establish your values.
C.S. Lewis tells us that this argument was the main reason why
he abandoned his atheism and became Christian. The argument is
severely flawed.
Some values, such as the Golden Rule, can have a rational basis. Some
others, like the basic idea of wanting to live, has probably its
roots in the way our brains are wired. Lewis ignored the very real
possiblity that natural selection could also favour altruistic
behaviour, and morality as well. Indeed, as humans evolved better
and better in building and using tools, they also became better
at killing each other. It is a logical necessity that evolution could
only favour those who knew how to use tools, but not against one's
own people.
The Bible reveals quite nicely that the morality of the early Jews
was not beyond this. A simple set of rules to hold the people
together, under one god. Their god did not care much about people
of other nations.
At the time of the NT, things were quite different - the Jews
were under rule of an _empire_, and could no longer simply ignore
the Gentiles. A new situation required a new morality, and along
with it a new religion was born. (A mutation in a meme pool.)
: Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what
: difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or
: otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only
: way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the
: objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it
: - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer
: that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries
: no weight in any "absolute" sense.
It looks like you haven't bothered to read philosophy. Whenever there
is an observer, there is a subjective point of view, which may
value its existence and happiness (even if that were just a result
of some physical event), and other's happiness, too, if the observer
comes to think about it. In an absolutely objective sense, that is,
without any observers or subjects, moral judgments lose their
meaning.
It is not possible for a value to simply exist without a point of
view. This includes gods, too, their values are only _their_
personal judgments, not absolute truths, since such truths
do not exist.
The fact that most people do not deliberately want to hurt others
is a manifestation of the way we have fought for our existence
by becoming social beings who can think and value others'
existence.
Morality is not property of humans alone - chimps, dolphins and
many other species show great care for each other. Dolphins have
sometimes saved humans from drowning, a good deed indeed.
: That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God
: or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your
: nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled
: with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your
: objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been
: conditioned; there is no "truth" content. The whole of your
: intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality.
The last statement does not logically follow. In fact, there is
every reason to believe our thoughts can model reality very
well, and our senses can convey reliable information. Solipsism
is still a logical possibility, but not a very likely one.
You are continuously mixing two different views: the subjective
point of view (which we all share) and an objective point of view,
_which does not exist_. Any observer or thinker, any personal being,
has its own point of view. It does not matter whether this point
of view is a result of some physical events or not, it does not
cease to be subjective.
From a non-observers non-point of view, values do not exist. Neither
does pain, or pleasure, or beauty, or love. Such things are
inherently subjective.
Once again, if god wants wives to submit to their husbands, or even
to make a leap of faith into the unknown, or wants to punish us if
we don't, I disagree with his morals. I do not think my morals come
from any supreme being - to remove my morals means the same than
to make me a zombie, a machine without a single thought. If god
gave us morality to judge, but I disagree with him, it is not my
fault. He is free to replace my morals. I cannot see what is the
point of giving someone a moral system which disagrees with one's
own and then to get mad at this.
God must be schizophrenic.
: All of this being so, you have excluded
: yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil,
: etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no
: weight whatsoever.
Neither can the opinion of any god, for that matter. I cannot understand
why a subjective opinion of a thing made of matter is in any way
less credible than an opinion of a thing made of something else.
Bill, take note: Absolute values must be independent of _any_ being,
_including_ gods. If god has a subjective viewpoint, it is his
own point of view, and his morals are his own.
Petri
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8933 | From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there?
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study
(discrediting Kinsey) says so.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
|
8934 | From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: SIRTF Mission is Still Alive
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Lines: 114
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: SIRTF, JPL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
From the "JPL Universe"
April 23, 1993
SIRTF is still very much in business
By Mark Whalen
In these times of extra-tight NASA budgets, the very
survival of a number of missions has been uncertain. But thanks
to major design refinements implemented in recent months, JPL's
Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF) -- a major project
considered to be in trouble a couple of years ago -- is "alive
and well," according to Project Scientist Michael Werner.
A lighter spacecraft, revised orbit and shorter mission have
added up to a less expensive project with "tremendous scientific
power" and a bright future, said Werner.
Designed as a follow-up to the highly successful Infrared
Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) and Cosmic Background Explorer
(COBE) missions, SIRTF -- a cryogenically cooled observatory for
infrared astronomy from space -- is scheduled for launch in 2000
or 2001 if plans proceed as scheduled.
IRAS' pioneering work in space-based infrared astronomy 10
years ago allowed astronomers to view the Milky Way as never
before and revealed, among other things, 60,000 galaxies and 25
comets. It provided a sky survey 1,000 times more sensitive than
any previously available from ground-based observations. COBE has
measured the infrared and microwave background radiation on large
angular scales, and revealed new facts about the early universe.
But to illuminate SIRTF's potential, Jim Evans, JPL's
manager of Astrophysics and Fundamental Physics Pre-Projects,
recently said that the project is "1,000 to 1 million times more
capable than IRAS," based on technological advances in infrared
detector arrays.
However, despite the enormous strides in infrared
exploration SIRTF promised, and the fact that it was cited as the
highest priority new initiative for all of astronomy in the 1990s
(by the National Academy of Sciences), it took a "diet or die"
directive from NASA Headquarters last year to keep the project
going, according to Werner.
The project is now known as Atlas SIRTF, based on the key
factor in its new design: The satellite will orbit the sun
instead of the Earth, permitting the use of an Atlas rocket
launch instead of the formerly proposed and heavier Titan. "The
main advantage of the solar orbit is that you can use all of your
launch capability for boosting the payload -- you don't have to
carry up a second rocket to circularize the orbit," Werner said.
The other advantage to a solar orbit, he said, is that "it's in a
better thermal environment, away from the heat of the Earth."
Additional major changes in SIRTF's redesign include
shortening the mission from five to three years and building a
spacecraft that is less than half as heavy as in the original
plan -- Atlas SIRTF will weigh 2,470 kilograms (5,400 pounds)
compared to Titan SIRTF's 5,500 kilograms (12,100 pounds).
All of that adds up to "a less stressful launch
environment," Werner said, and a cost savings of more than $200
million for the launch, in addition to increased savings in the
design of the smaller, less massive spacecraft.
Werner said SIRTF's redesign came as a result of Congress'
telling NASA "you're trying to do too many things. If you want us
to support SIRTF, which is a good project, develop a plan to see
how it fits into (NASA's) overall strategy."
Shortly thereafter, SIRTF was named as NASA's highest
priority "flagship" scientific mission by the interdisciplinary
Space Sciences Advisory Committee, in addition to the blessing
from the National Academy of Sciences.
While the spacecraft and its instruments required descoping
to keep the project alive, SIRTF's major scientific contribution
always promised to come about from its advanced infrared detector
arrays, which will allow images to be developed "tens of
thousands of times faster" than before, according to Evans.
"Up until a couple of years ago," Werner said, "all infrared
astronomy was done with single detectors -- or very small arrays
of individually assembled detectors. Since then, the Department
of Defense has developed a program to produce arrays of tens or
hundreds of thousands of detectors, rather than just a few, and
those are very well suited for use on SIRTF."
Werner noted that in addition to dealing with budget
pressures, Congress is currently watching NASA projects with an
eye out for any "technological spinoff."
"On that question, I think we have some things to say," he
said, "because the detectors we're using are straight off various
military developments. Also, SIRTF will be built by the U.S.
aerospace industry, and it's a real technological and engineering
challenge in addition to being a tremendous scientific project.
"SIRTF will be used by the entire astronomical community,"
Werner added, but the revised three-year mission "puts a premium
on observing time. We have to educate the user community and
develop a program that involves early surveys and quick
turnaround of the data."
Werner said the downsizing of the project required a
reduction in scope and complexity of SIRTF's three instruments --
the infrared spectrograph, infrared array camera and multiband
imaging photometer. However, these reductions will only result in
losses of efficiency rather than capability, he said.
The project hopes to start a "Phase B" activity in 1995,
which will provide a detailed concept for development and design.
Building the hardware would begin about two years later.
Projected cost estimates, Evans said, are $850 million-$950
million.
"I am very optimistic about SIRTF," he said. "It will
provide a tremendous return for the investment."
Werner added that an additional benefit from the project
will be the "enrichment of our intellectual and cultural
environment. People on the street are very interested in
astronomy ... black holes, the possibility of life on other
planets, the origin of the universe ... and those are the kind of
questions SIRTF will help answer."
###
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
|
8935 | From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Lines: 8
nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
:
: Nut or not, he was clearly a liar. He said he would surrender after
: local radio stations broadcast his message, but he didn't. Then he
: said he would surrender after Passover, but he didn't.
:
The FBI said he would surrender. We don't KNOW what he said.
|
8936 | From: Wilfred.Hansen@CS.CMU.EDU
Subject: CFP: Andrew Technical Conference
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 61
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu
*Reminder* Plan now for the Andrew Conference.
*Date* The dates are as noted below. (We have not changed them.)
*Submission extension* We are still accepting papers.
*Tutorial topic*
_Converting Andrew source code to C++_
This tutorial will discuss the steps necessary to convert a site from C
(extended with classC) to C++. Conversion of the source code requires
only a couple of steps:
run the converter
fill in missing type information
Describing this will not take long. The remainder of the day will be
spent learning how to write objects in C++ and practicing.
------------------------------
1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting
June 24-25, 1993
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA
The conference will be held on the last Thursday and Friday in June. A
tutorial will be on Thursday the 24th and the conference proper on the
25th with the annual meeting at the dinner on the evening between the
two days. All conference attendees are welcome at the annual meeting,
though only Consortium members will be able to vote.
This year's theme is
Application Construction by Non-Programmers
Much of the effort on X toolkits has been aimed at programmer
construction of applications. There have, however, been some excellent
UIMS systems built on top of X. Papers addressing the theme will
consider questions such as
What is needed for application construction by non-programmers?
Can we avoid programming altogether, or is a simple language needed?
Is it sufficient to create applications, or must users be able to
create new widgets?
Should widgets and applications be able to print themselves?
Your participation in the conference is welcome. Papers are appropriate
on the theme or any aspect of the Andrew User Interface System, including
applications
experience with users
new objects
reviews of and proposals for revision of
internal Andrew protocols
We expect to have an RS/6000 with video projector available if you would
like to do a demonstration.
Paper proposals should be submitted by 15 May 1993.
Acceptance will be 1 June with final papers due by 15 June.
Send papers via electronic mail to wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu.
Fred Hansen
Director, Andrew Consortium
|
8937 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr20.143400.569@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca
(Malcolm Lee) wrote:
> Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call
> themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture
> in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps
> you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any
> true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any
> association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any
> further ties with this cult, which was what they were.
Well, if they were Satanists, or followers of an obscure religion,
then I would be sure that Christians would in unison condemn and
make this to a show case. But when we are dealing with a fanatical
Revelation preacher that kills ultimately everyone, including the
innocent children, then it seems that we are dealing with Christians
and christians (note the spelling).
> Do you judge all Muslims by the acts committed by Saddam Hussein, a
> supposedly devout Muslim? I don't. Saddam is just a dictator using
> the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends.
And does not this show the dangers with religion -- in order
word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting
their small children burn to ashes while they scream?
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
|
8938 | From: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg (Chua Teck Joo)
Subject: Visuallib (3D graphics for Windows)
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Lines: 17
I am currently looking for a 3D graphics library that runs on MS
Windows 3.1. Are there any such libraries out there other than
Visuallib? (It must run on VGA and should not require any other
add-on graphics cards).
For Visuallib, will it run with Metaware High C compiler v3.0? Any
email contact for the author of Visuallib?
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
--
* Chua, Teck Joo | Information Technology Institute *
* Email: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg | 71 Science Park Drive *
* Phone: (65) 772-0237 | Singapore (0511) *
* Fax: (65) 779-1827 | *
|
8939 | From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com
Subject: Re: Origins of the bible.
Lines: 56
In article <1993Apr19.141112.15018@cs.nott.ac.uk>, eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I have been having an argument about the origins of the bible lately with
> a theist acquaintance. He stated that thousands of bibles were discovered
> at a certain point in time which were syllable-perfect. This therefore
> meant that there must have been one copy at a certain time; the time quoted
> by my acquaintace was approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus.
Hi Adda,
Most Bible scholars agree that there was one copy of each book at a certain
time -- the time when the author wrote it. Unfortunately, like all works
from this time period and earlier, all that exists today are copies.
>
> Cutting all of the crap out of the way (ie god wrote it) could anyone answer
> the following:
>
> 1. How old is the oldest surviving copy of the new testament?
There are parts of books, scraps really, that date from around the
mid second century (A.D. 130+). There are some complete books, letters,
etc. from the middle third century. The first complete collection of
the New Testament dates from the early 4th century (A.D. 325). Throughout
this period are writings of various early church fathers/leaders who
quoted various scriptures in their writings.
> 2. Is there any truth in my acquaintance's statements?
If you mean that someone discovered thousands of "Bibles" which were all
perfect copies dating from the last part of the 1st century...No!
If you mean that there are thousands of early manuscripts (within the
dates given above, but not letter perfect) and that the most probable
text can be reconstructed from these documents and that the earliest
original autographs (now lost) probably were written starting sometime
shortly after A.D. 50, then yes.
> 3. From who/where did the bible originate?
From the original authors. We call them Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter,
Paul, James, and one other not identified.
> 4. How long is a piece of string? ;-)
As long as you make it.
>
> Adda
>
> --
Regards,
Jim B.
|
8940 | From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Subject: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?))
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
Lines: 49
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu
In article <30523@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) writes:
>The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and
>better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones,
>and (2) that DEC did.
No. That's *not* what I was complaining about, nor did I intend to
suggest that DEC was any better than SGI (let me tell you about the
Lynx some day, but be prepared with a large sedative if you do...). My
comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other vendors
that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI.
What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that
we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the
Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck.
I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a
previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around
for a while, rather than being flushed.
Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to
keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself
pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books
just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of
getting boned in the process.
Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we
aren't entitled to a "peek under the covers" as the Big Kids (NASA,
for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs
and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers
every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis.
The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the
entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That
means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I
have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one
previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other
vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years.
And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I
could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're
supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars).
Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a
corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts.
spl
--
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"My other car is a car, too."
- Bumper strip seen on I-805
|
8941 | From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)
Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 48
In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes:
>>
>
>I'd be willing to make two wagers:
>1) Snow doesn't win ROY.
>2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.
>
>I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a
>player, and he is on a losing team.
I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance
of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is
generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins.
Am I wrong?
And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff
is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank
you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments.
Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up.
Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia
and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing.
Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a
winning team.
-- The Beastmaster
>
>I'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this
>year, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and
>most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32.
>
>Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to
>bet...
>
>Cheers,
>-Valentine
--
Mark Singer
mss@netcom.com
|
8942 | From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)
Subject: Delayed Expose Events
Organization: Oracle Europe
Lines: 44
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was
able to help me.
The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create
detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until
main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls:
main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay),
myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height,
main_win.line_thick, fg, bg);
XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text,
main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint);
main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0);
XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win);
XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win);
The event mask for main_win is:
PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask |
EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask;
The flags are
PPosition | PSize
I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values):
detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay),
myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height,
detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg);
XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text,
detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint);
detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0);
XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win);
Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask.
If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win
are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear
from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some
detail I'm overseeing.
Thanks for any tips
---> Robert
rgasch@nl.oracle.com
PS: The same message was accidentally appended to the "Expose Events"
thread. Sorry for any confusion caused.
|
8943 | From: re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Subject: Misc. radio and related equipment
Organization: Muskingum College
Lines: 112
Lots of misc and radio related items for sale!
Still trying to lighten my load for moving!
Motorola VHF pager, digital, no voice or readout $15
2 Capacitor checkers
HP 200CD audio oscillator 5 hz to 600 Khz.
1200 feet + brand new 1/2" hardline for tv
with new connectors, this is in 5 pieces
lots of Gain mobile antennas for VHF and UHF
UHF *amp*, input on 75 Mhz in milliwatts and
output on 450 Mhz, 30 watts out. with service
manual, this came out of a Motorola mobilephone.
make reasonable offer. looking for $40 + shipping
or trade for?
RCA tac 300 UHF dash mount 2channel w/service
manual, great condition, currently on GMRS
frequency 462.725 repeater and simplex with
PL of 151.4 hz
$100
Nobratron QR 75-2 power supply by Sorensen, w/service
manual, this is a 2 amp variable power supply, I
have used it at 80 vdc. weight is 45lbs $45.
Motorola tone remote model #1926A, works great,
with monitor button, $75 This unit is used
to remote a base station with only two wires.
Also have tone remote board from Mitrek Super
consolette, make offer, could be used with
above remote! model #TRN-6744A w/schmetics
Both for $100.
Motorola Handhelds, MH-10 (4) w/charger, speaker
mic, leather case, currently on 34.830, w/dpl
DPL decks from Motorola moxy radios
very reasonable esp. if you take all, anyone
offer $10 each for all or trade for?
PL reeds, I have some (30 or so I think)
also dpl code plugs
e-mail if you need some or I will sell all
cheep.
Transmit tubes for GE radios, new in box.
5 DB gain UHF mobile antennas by motorola,
used, sold new for $90, make reasonable offer.
sell 3 for $45 + shipping
Motorcycle control head and cable with frequency
selector and speaker all in one, 4 channel, I
believe this came from a Micom.
Asking $20 + shipping
channel elements for motorola micor, mitrek, motrac
3 sets of vhf micor,
uhf micor, low band motrac, more
Mobile microphones for GE, Motorola, and RCA
reasonable offer.
Motorola DC remote adaptor model #TLN-1127apr
$75
I still have a few business band service manuals
esp. GE and Motorola, e-mail for details.
Phone restrict toll boxes (2) use quarters
DTMF mobile mic
GE Master Pro UHF mobile, not working, with accessories,
this is a trunk mount radio. $20 + shipping
6' GE base cabinet w/19" rack
Duplexer cabinet from vhf duplexers
19" rack base cabinet, Johnson
HD satellite dish jack or arm
2 Spools multi-conductor wire, w/shield, thickness is approx 1/2"
GE Master pro mobile control heads and cables
Eagle model #2 level sensor, tells how full a container is
The above prices do not include shipping!
Some of the above items are pickup only because of
size or weight, locations is Eastern Ohio.
if interested e-mail me or you can call
Jim Sims sr. N4JDP (614) 439-2177 before 9 PM Eastern
re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
|
8944 | From: tsmith@cs.stanford.edu (Todd Michael Smith)
Subject: God-shaped hole (was Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 16
In article <Apr.14.03.07.38.1993.5420@athos.rutgers.edu>, johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) writes:
|> >Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must
|> >do something to ease the pain.
|>
|> I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know
|> who first came up with the "God-shaped hole" business?
|>
Was it Pascal, or maybe Descartes, who first used this figure of speech?
I seem to have some vague recollections from reading some of their essays,
but I certainly couldn't say it was one of them for sure.
----
Todd Smith
tsmith@cs.stanford.edu
|
8945 | From: mrw54660@eng-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Whitchurch)
Subject: File Manager problem
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 8
Whenever I start File Manager, the status bar is not displayed,
even though it is selected in the options menu. If I deselect it,
then select it again, the bar appears. Anyone have any ideas why
this is happening?
Thanks
Mike
|
8946 | From: wsyu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wei-Yun Yu)
Subject: Windows 3.1(new) for sale $35
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 4
I have a Windows 3.1 package for sale. New stil in shrink wrapped. I am
asking for $35. I will consider to trade a used 1.44M floppy drive. Leave
a message if interested.
|
8947 | Organization: Central Michigan University
From: Ryan J. Thieme <33CWDTR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh!
<AfnKOVK00UhB01RDtJ@andrew.cmu.edu>
<1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> <9169@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
Lines: 7
How do you beat the Penguins?
Crash the team plane.
Ryan
|
8948 | From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
Lines: 15
lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.015844.9491@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
>>> Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800
>>> using interanl video? Is this even possible?
>>
>>It's most certainly possible.
>Is it possible to use this resolution on the Apple 16" monitor?
>If so, I could probably rig a connector with the proper pins.
Nope. The Apple 16" monitor does not support multiple resolutions.
It is not a multi-synching monitor.
-Hades
|
8949 | From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security
Keywords: nothing will stop a really determined thief
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
Lines: 14
I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the
dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!". They left the Harley behind.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can't wear out |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |
| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |
| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that |
| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief." |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
8950 | From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Lines: 20
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com
>>The two situations are hardly analogous, unless you wish to make the
>>>dubious claim that the US legal system would provide equivalent treatment
>>>to BD children that the Romans did for those of conquered rebels.
>Actually, all the analogy calls for the the Branch Davidian _feeling_
>their treatment would be along these lines. After a military
>assualt (instead of a peacefull effort to serve a warrant) and
>weeks os siege, such a feeling might not be completely irrational.
Actually, if I were one of the survivors and wanted to institute a civil
rights violation lawsuit against the Treasury Dept., I would claim that
the BATF/FBI itself was to blame for any mass hysteria/insanity...
without due process, the siegers shone lights, laser beams, multi-colored
spotlights, all the while playing loudly amplified music consisting of
everything from Tibetan Chant to Heavy Metal, and coupled with the fear,
the poor nutrition, the rampant paranoia, I'd say it was very likely
those poor nuts were made even nuttier. After all, isn't sleep deprivation,
sensory overload, etc., part of the "new age" method of torture?
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8951 | From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Lines: 14
In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat. This is not great. So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.
Look for a happier-looking KZ440?
Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a
GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the "regular"
GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser.
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.
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8952 | From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck)
Subject: Daily Verse
Lines: 6
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone,
able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in
the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the
truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the
devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
IITimothy 2:24-26
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8953 | From: galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan)
Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Lines: 42
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
In article <tigerC5K9oy.Gx@netcom.com> tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao) writes:
>goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me if this card works with the March OS/2 2.1 beta?
>
> I believe so, since the Buslogic cards have proven to be very
>reliable in OS/2 2.0....
>
The BusLogic cards have an OS/2 2.0 driver that does work with the March 2.1
beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer.
If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the
Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic
cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!)
So you add the BusLogic drivers to the config.sys on the CD-ROM boot disk, and
REM out the Adaptec drivers.
Then you install the whole 1st half of the Beta.. and it won't work! IBM
nicely copies in the Adaptec drivers once again. (Thanks IBM!) So.. REM out
the Adaptec drivers once more.. and reboot. If you have everything in the
right order.. it will work.
Things are pretty smooth through the rest of the installation.. except OS/2
will try to install the Adaptec SCSI drivers once again at the end... so.. you
are off to more REM statements and more fun.
The BT 542Bk comes with drivers and costs the same as the Adaptec cards that
do not come with drivers. The DOS drivers work great. This card can easily be
configured to work with 8 different sets of I/O ports (and you can use
multiple host adapters in one machine) If you get a new card.. it will also be
able to support up to 8 GB drives under DOS.
Hope this helps..
- Dan
--
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* Dan Galpin galpin@cats.ucsc.edu *
******************************************************************************
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8954 | Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE
From: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu
Reply-To: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN
Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2
Lines: 14
In article <ekdfc.14.0@ttacs1.ttu.edu>, ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>writes:
>>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION
>>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE "MAGIC"
>
>Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of
>nine players each. Let's keep it that way.
Last weeks Sports Illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated
hitter. It is the 1993 baseball issue. Th is weeks Sports Illustrated
|
8955 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 57
NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu
kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>I think that you are confusing the words "objective" and "inherent."
>>And objective system is simply one in which an outside observer who,
>>given the postulates of the system, could perfectly judge any situation
>>or action as consistent with the system (right) or not (wrong). You seem
>>to be objecting because the goals of the system are not inherent. That is,
>>you seem to want to define an objective system as one in which the
>>postulates themselves could be determined by some outside observer.
>>I don't think that this is a good definition of an objective system.
>Then you need to learn English.
Really>`?
>Gravity is an objective system. Anybody can learn what it is, and perform
>experiments. They will get the same results as every other person who
>has performed those experiments.
No, gravity is an inherent system. You don't need any excess information
other than observations to determine anything. It is possible to objectively
determine someone's guilt or innocence within an non-inherent system.
I agree that morality is not necessarily inherent (unless you state that
everything we do has an evolutionary basis), but this does not mean that
it cannot be objective in theory.
>This "natural morality" is not an objective system, as evidenced by
>your comments about lions, and mine.
Perhaps it can be objective, but not inherent. Anyway, as I noted before,
the practices related to mating rituals, etc. among the animals are likely
the only ones to be considered "immoral" under the previous "definitions"
of the natural law. Therefore, some revisions are in order, since the
class of activities surrounding mating seem to pose some general problems.
>>And in fact, the only way that the postulates could be determined by an
>>outsider would be if there were some sort of higher truth, like some
>>sort of god or something. But, I do not think that a god is necessary
>>for an objective system, while it seems that you do.
>What are you trying to say here?
It seens that you are objecting to the notion of an objective system
because perhaps you think that it would imply inherence, which would
necessitate some sort of grand design?
>>No, I have classified behavior of most animals as in line with a
>>moral system. It is certainly possible for animals to commit acts
>>which are outside of their rules of ethics, but they don't seem to
>>do so very often. Perhaps they are not intelligent enough to be
>>immoral.
>And perhaps it's because you have yet to define a "moral" system.
I think I have. It is a code of ethics which basically defines undesired
behaviors, etc. An immoral behavior could be unwanted, unproductive,
or destructive, etc., depending on the goal of the system (that is,
immoral to what end?).
keith
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8956 | From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Lines: 26
In article <C5IFH7.3q4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>
>What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat
>to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation'
>been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs,
>specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My
>brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and
>make Israeli policy for them!
>
... deleted
I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not
be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across
as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs.
The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace
after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:
1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently
most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or
dictators.
2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.
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8957 | Subject: EXPERTS on PENICILLIN...LOOK!
From: ndacumo@eis.calstate.edu (Noah Dacumos)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 8
My name is Noah Dacumos and I am a student at San Leandro High. I am
doing a project for my physics class and I would like some info on the
discovery of penicillin, its discoverer(Sir Alexander Fleming), and how it
helps people with many incurable bacterias. Also how it effects those who
are allergic to it. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Noah Dacumos
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8958 | From: donaldlf@k9.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Leslie F. Donaldson)
Subject: Problems using Graphic Context with Athena widgets
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Lines: 15
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: k9.cs.rose-hulman.edu
Keywords: athena,colormaps,graphic contex
I am creating a graphics program using the Athena widgets. I use
Xlib routines to install a custom Graphics Contex by obtaining the display,
and window variables with the XtWindowOfObject() and XtDisplayOfObject().
The object was one of the sub widgets.
The problem occurs that whenever a button is pressed or a menu is selected
the graphic contex reverts to the orginal one. I tried moving the allocation
of the graphic context before the allocation of the buttons but nothing
changed. I am preforming all of this manipulation before calling
XtAppMainLoop().
Thank you for any help.
Leslie Donaldson
donaldlf@cs.rose-hulman.edu
donaldlf@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
|
8959 | From: Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: More technical details
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University
Lines: 43
> encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK,
> and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part
> message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK
> producing
>
> E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}
>
>My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the
>"family key") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by
>law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I
>will also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait.
Ok, so there are in fact two distinct components transmitted by the
chip; the real message encrypted with the "conventional" key, and the
serial number and encrypted "conventional" key encrypted with the
(IMHO kind of bogus, as the whole concept of "one key that millions of
people use which can't be changed" doesn't seem reasonable) "family
key".
Suppose I analyze the output of this chip and I'm able to determine
which bits are the encrypted packet which contains the serial number
and session key. Suppose I also design a simple algorithm based on
this information which takes the data containing the encrypted session
key and twiddles a bit (or several) before it's sent down the line.
Mind you, I'm sure the NSA thought of this along with a dozen other
attacks I can't imagine, and the system is probably somehow designed
so that manipulation of this information will cause a compliant
receiving chip to somehow fail to decrypt successfully. But how?
What if the two parties agree in advance on some kind of consistent
bit-twiddling scheme, so the decryption chip sees the restored
"proper" bitstream but an eavesdropper gets a E[K; UK] packet that's
wrong?
I suppose this could be easily defeated if the chip "sends" that
information out many times in slightly different ways, making it
effectively impossible to be certain you know all the information
being sent.
--
Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted
If your theory predicts different outcomes depending on whether you use
discrete mathematics or continuous mathematics, then you've got the wrong
theory. - Bruce MacLennan
|
8960 | From: franti@polaris.utu.fi (Pasi Fr{nti)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Lines: 20
lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>> Player: Points: +/- Subtraction:
>> ------- ------- ---- ------------
>> Lemieux 157 53 -104
>> LaFontaine 145 13 -132
>> Oates 141 12 -129
>> Yzerman 138 33 -105
>> Selanne 137 8 -129
>This is wrong. Among Lemieux's 157 points, we do NOT know how many
>are power play points. We may be able to find out how many PP goal he
>scored, but not how many PP assist he accumulated. We also don't know
>the # times he was on the ice but not credited on the goals the Pens
>scored.
That is what my point really was. There is not straight dependency between
the +/- and scored points. Apparently most of the netters have realized
it by themselves.
|
8961 | From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: Brand new H.P. toner for sale, cheap!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 30
For Sale...:
**BRAND NEW** Hewlett Packard toner cartridge
model number HP 92295A.
o I am selling this toner because I recently
bought a Brother HL-10V printer and the
toner that I am selling. I activated the
toner, but ended up returning the printer.
The store, however would not take back the
toner. This toner has been used to print
only three pages and is in perfect condition.
I will protect it for shipment so that no
toner escapes. It comes with all original
packaging and manuals. The toner is compatible
with ANY laser printer that uses the model
number of the toner I am selling; just look in
your manual to see if it will work for you.
I will not go below $60.00. I will pay the
shipping to anywhere in the continental
United States.
If you are interested, leave me email or call Kirk
Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime.
Thank you!
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8962 | From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)
Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians
Organization: Kulikauskas home
Lines: 21
halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) writes:
> But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very
> well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting
> questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's
> carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body,
> totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable
> views about other human beings.
If possible (last I heard, it was out of print but they were considering
reprinting) read Barbara Hambly's _Search the Seven Hills_. It is
historical fiction, set in Rome at the time of the early Church. She
captures the weirdness of the early Christians and yet gives glimpses of
the holiness too. Some of their odd views make a lot more sense in the
context of the society they lived in. I found it a remarkably positive
view of Christianity considering that the author is not a Christian
herself. Another plus is that each chapter begins with an
original-source quote so that it makes a good starting point for serious
research.
Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
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8963 | From: Dave Watson <watson@maths.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Lines: 29
Distribution: world
Reply-To: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au
zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:
>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?
>Is there any reference to it?
The Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the
Voronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from
natural neighbor order.
Aurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a
Fundamental Geometric Data Structure:
ACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405.
Okabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial
tessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams:
Wiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p.
Watson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay
tessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes:
The Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.}
Watson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian
Computer J., 17(4), p. 189-193.
--
Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au
Department of Mathematics
The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359
Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028
|
8964 | From: i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Adam Nicolas Cheal)
Subject: Jumper Settings for MicroScience HD
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Lines: 9
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca
OK, I'll try one more time with this one. If ANYONE out there has ANY
information on MicroScience hard drives and how to set the jumpers
(and where they are?) for master/slave configurations. I will gladly
accept any info, as I have a 110M'er sitting in my room collecting dust
just waiting for me to install huge applications. :) Thanks in advance.
(And yes, I regulary check the IDE Harddisk Spec that is posted here.)
-= Adam Cheal =- i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca
|
8965 | From: Srinagesh Gavirneni <sg48+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 86 chevy sprint
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu
I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k
and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said
it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He
said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it
had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He
quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30
outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor
is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it
malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy
sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also,
did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also,
what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction.
Any help would be greatly apprecisted
Thanks
Nagesh
|
8966 | From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman)
Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk
In-Reply-To: markmc@halcyon.com's message of 19 Apr 1993 01:07:22 -0700
Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
<1qtmjq$ahd@nwfocus.wa.com>
Lines: 11
From my reading of the popular, and scientific, literature, I think that the
benzopyrene-from-burned-fat problem is probably real but very small compared to
other kinds of risks. (This type of problem also occurs with stove-top pan
grilling.) One possible remedy I have read about is to take some vitamin C with your meal of barbecue (or bacon, e.g.). This MAY make sense because vit. C
is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the
chemicals in question. Bon Apetit!
--
Sanford Silverman >Opinions expressed here are my own<
American Cyanamid
sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com "Yeast is Best"
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8967 | From: rlee@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM (Richard Lee)
Subject: Re: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0
Organization: Sterling Software IMD. (Vienna,Va)
Lines: 26
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: ssdc.ssdc.sterling.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Skip Koppenhaver (skip@eco.twg.com) wrote:
:
: Has anyone found a fix for the following problem?
:
: Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5
: Server Hardware: Sun IPC
: Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37)
:
: A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the
: OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no
: button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing <Return> will
: unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is
: grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display
: continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from
: another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets
: back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers
: (including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no
: problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a
: work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users.
I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1.
In my case, it happens far more often than "periodically".
Help?
|
8968 | From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Lines: 13
In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .
The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose.
In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
|
8969 | From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 18
Bill Ranck writes:
>As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>down a rathole.
> When you guys sort this out let me know.
>
><--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *
>*******************************************************************************
Ditto for me..
-Tim Seiss
'92K75S
'89KX250
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8970 | From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Emulator pods
Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Lines: 23
A surplus-dealing buddy of mine came up with two emulator pods:
HP64220C (for HP 64100 development station). 8086 target
processor. DIP head. Does not include board that plugs into
the 64100.
Applied Microsystems 80C186/188 pod, LCC head.
If you have an interest in either, let me know. They look to
be in excellent condition. He doesn't know what to do with them, which
may mean that they'll be cheap.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w)
SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h)
Intergraph Corp.
M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin
******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******
* The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
|
8971 | From: benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA )
Subject: Re: The Israeli Press
Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Lines: 41
bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
...
>for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media
>and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody
>who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about
>Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on.
Of course you never read Arab media,
I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough)
and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say
that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course
you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either
a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6
to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis)
The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer
to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British
range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range
from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from
0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to
overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since
they are doing nothing.
> As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they
>are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media
>here in America. But they still report events about which people
>here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and
>the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American
>who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report
>on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy.
the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9,
while that of the average American would be the same if they do
not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and
-8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers.
so you are not better off.
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8972 | From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: Image processing software for PC
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Lines: 27
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca
I am posting the following for my brother. Please post your replies or
send him email to his address at the end of his message. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________________
My supervisor is looking for a image analysis software for
MS DOS. We need something to measure lengths and areas on
micrographs. Sometime in the future, we may expand to do
some densitometry for gels, etc. We've found lots of ads and
info for the Jandel Scientific products: SigmaScan and Java.
But we have not been able to find any competing products. We
would appreciate any comments on these products and
suggestions / comments on other products we should consider.
Thanks.
Donald
UserDONO@MTSG.UBC.CA
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8973 | From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Lines: 44
werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) writes:
>mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:
>
>>Question 2: This attitude god character seems awfully egotistical
>>and proud. But Christianity tells people to be humble. What's the deal?
>
>Well, God pretty much has a right to be "egotistical and proud." I
>mean, he created _you_, doesn't he have the right to be proud of such
>a job?
>
>Of course, people don't have much of a right to be proud. What have
>they accomplished that can match God's accomplishments, anyways? How
>do their abilities compare with those of God's. We're an "imbecile
>worm of the earth," to quote Pascal.
Grumblegrumble...
>If you were God, and you created a universe, wouldn't you be just a
>little irked if some self-organizing cell globules on a tiny planet
>started thinking they were as great and awesome as you?
unfortunately the logic falls apart quick: all-perfect > insulted or
threatened by the actions of a lesser creature > actually by offspring >
???????????????????
How/why shuold any all-powerful all-perfect feel either proud or offended?
Anything capable of being aware of the relationship of every aspect of every
particle in the universe during every moment of time simultaneously should
be able to understand the cause of every action of every 'cell globule' on
each tniy planet...
>Well, actually, now that I think of it, it seems kinda odd that God
>would care at all about the Earth. OK, so it was a bad example. But
>the amazing fact is that He does care, apparently, and that he was
>willing to make some grand sacrifices to ensure our happiness.
"All-powerful, Owner Of Everything in the Universe Makes Great Sacrifices"
makes a great headline but it doesn't make any sense. What did he
sacrifice? Where did it go that he couldn't get it back? If he gave
something up, who'd he give it up to?
-chris
[you guys have fun, I'm agoin' to Key West!!]
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8974 | From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Help! How to test SIMMs?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Lines: 13
ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu) writes:
>Hello,
> I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if
>there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the
>RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead
>SIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on
>the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance
>Yih-Tyng
>ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
There is a shareware ramchecker that I think is called ramcheck. it is
available at most ftp sites such as umich and sumex.
-Terry
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8975 | From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Organization: Novell Inc.
Lines: 28
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:19:09 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu
writes:
>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was
>the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should
>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>maximum acceleration.
I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc.
I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who
say that the power is something less than overwhelming. That said,
I would love to have a 900SS. I guess I should have been a bit more
specific. If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go
for the extra cubes.
I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum
power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else. The note
and the handling are more important to me. I just bought a Ninja because I
couldn't afford a Duc.
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next
year...
- Mark
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Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747
Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750
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8976 | From: magney@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Agney)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu
kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...]
>>
>>In article <C5Fuo2.FF8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact
>>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality?
>>
>>Please define this "objective morality".
>>
>>While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism.
>Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see.
>Slimy tactic.
> - Kevin
Well, when you crosspost to talk.origins, what do you expect?
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| Michael Agney | Just because you're paranoid |
| | doesn't mean they're not out |
| | to get you. |
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8977 | From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: images of earth
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
>> So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it.
>> The article didn't say anything about copyrights.
I'm sure the whole newspaper is copyrighted. They could have gotten
permission to use the image under their own copyright.
mark
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8978 | From: mrl@pfc.mit.edu (Mark London)
Subject: Corneal erosion/abrasions.
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: nerus.pfc.mit.edu
For several years I have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion. There
does not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem. My current
episode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea. If it's
bad enough, the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy. However, my doctor
this time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to
protect the area. Apparently the problem is not that common, but I'd be curious
if anyone else out there has a similar problem, perhaps to see if a cause can be
found.
Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
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8979 | From: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position (Jesus and the Law)
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Lines: 98
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the
>time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly
>states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other
>words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday
>as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.
I think the passage you're looking for is the following.
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the
prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he
who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of
the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
There are several problems with this. The most serious is that the
Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but
not on Gentiles. There are rules that were binding on all human
beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal. The
issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do
about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ. The decision not to
impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished. It
simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles. This
is a simple answer, which I think just about everyone can agree to.
(A discussion of the issue in more or less these terms is recorded
in Acts 15.)
However there's more involved. In order to get a full picture of the
role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent
rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of
the Law. At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a
purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded. Again, this
issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law. In the middle of his
discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and
assures us that that's not what he intends to say. Rather, he sees
the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their
sinfulness. But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that
has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's
clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading. But the
interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does
not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an
uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed.
For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be
relaxed. However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we
live in faith, not Law.
While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the
end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The
quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest
of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the
Law. The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading,
but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations
emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial
details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude
towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat
5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish
discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a
tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that
really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and
plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who
use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and
the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific
view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the
Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it.
Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being
superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the
"ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite
concerned about maintaining moral standards.
The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being
superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe
they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is
embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters
responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the
Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish
ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards
of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems
to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and
human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later
to give Paul so much trouble.
It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but
we should be familiar with that from current conflicts. Look at the
way terms like "family values" take on special meaning from the
current context. Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to
figure out why "family values" should be used as a code word for
opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S. I
think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was
involved in. Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values
that go along with the term "Law", any more than people who concerned
about the "family values" movement are really opposed to family
values.
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8980 | From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu
Subject: Mormon beliefs about bastards
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology
Lines: 14
Could anyone enlighten me on how the Mormon church views
children born out of wedlock? In particular I'm interested to know if any
stigma is attached to the children as opposed to the parents. I'm especially
keen to learn if there is or is not any prohibition in the Mormon faith on
bastards entering heaven or having their names entered in the big genealogical
book the Mormons keep in Salt Lake City. If this is an issue on which the
"official" position has changed over time, I'm interested in learning both old
and new beliefs. E-mail or posting is fine. All information or pointers are
appreciated.
Elliotte Rusty Harold Department of Mathematics
elharo@shiva.njit.edu New Jersey Institute of Technology
erh0362@tesla.njit.edu Newark, NJ 07102
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8981 | From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet.
Organization: NSWC
Lines: 32
In article <1qpn8uINNjs8@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>,
bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) wrote:
>
> Here is the story:
> I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an
> Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh
> I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected
> to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem.
>
> Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT,
> and then telnet out again to the rest of the world.
>
> What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that
> will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT
> via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do
> the trick.
>
> Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that
> there aren't going to be any.
>
> Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet
> out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers
> to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well...
>
What you need is a hardware router such as EtherRoute/TCP made by
Compatable Systems ($1400). This will allow you to connect your Localtalk
network (4 Macs) to your Ethernet network (NeXT and Ethernet Mac). It will
route TCP/IP protocol between the two networks. Software routers are also
available for less money, but I'm not sure if they work with TCP/IP.
Paul
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8982 | From: cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson)
Subject: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little
easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of
each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in
the second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting
none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division
but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the
Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but
its better to get that far and lose than to not go.
brian
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8983 | From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Clipper chip -- technical details
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Lines: 121
I received the following two notes from Martin Hellman with details
on how Clipper will work. They are posted with his permission. The
implications of some details are fascinating.
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:05:23 PDT
From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu>
To: (a long list of recipients)
Subject: Clipper Chip
Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times,
etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology)
announcing the "Clipper Chip" crypto device. Several messges
on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have
been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given
the lack of details in the news articles. So here to help out
is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday
to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing
details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this
to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my
facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know
if I have anything wrong):
The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in
Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the
same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit
specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will
call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message.
The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so
that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that
they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion,
it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key
will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1
and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow
authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be
decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that
they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they
must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased.
When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will
present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and
K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK.
In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his
or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key
plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be
encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK,
and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part
message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK
producing
E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}
When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law
enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information
flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that
they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a
court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links
over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to
E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number
in the above message. They then check the serial number
of the unit and see if it is on the "watch list" for which they
have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K,
and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M.
I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do
not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed
scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme
more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court
order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not
necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were
needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is
needed, the following story adds some color: In researching
some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around,
I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert
here at Stanford and he related the following story: When
Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right
after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking
for "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for
the details so he could review the cases as required by
law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned
over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not
comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear:
No single person or authority should have the power to
authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal
keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi
and sometimes a John Mitchell.
Martin Hellman
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 11:41:42 PDT
From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu>
To: smb@research.att.com
Subject: Re: Clipper Chip
It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt
if you also post this message with it in which:
1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info
from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By
this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to
respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much
e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other
responsibilities.)
2. I note a probably correction sent to me by Dorothy Denning.
She met with the person from NSA that
I talked with by phone, so her understanding is likely to
better than mine on this point: Where I said the transmitted
info is E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}
she says the message is not double encrypted. The system
key (or family key as she was told it is called) only encrypts
the serial number or the serial number and the encrypted
unit key. This is not a major difference, but I thought it
should be mentioned and thank her for bringing it to
my attention. It makes more sense since it cuts down
on encryption computation overhead.
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8984 | From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bowman whining already
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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I should have guessed. It's time for the annual Pittsburgh Penguins
whine-a-thon. Bowman was complaning about cheap shots by the Devils in
Game 1. I'm sorry, Mr. Bowman, you're a great coach, but those "cheap
shots" were nothing compared to what's going to come. Also, I guess you
were only able to notice the cheap shots made by the guys not in white.
It's amazing what those black and gold colored glasses will do.
PS - Nice dive on that high stick Mario. Everyone knew it was a high
stick, you could have stayed on your feet and saved your diving talent
for later.
just stirring it up a bit,
Ralph
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8985 | Organization: Penn State University
From: <WJS112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates
<C5LCop.4Fv@boi.hp.com> <121055@netnews.upenn.edu>
<1993Apr17.132013.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
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I hate to be the burden of bad news, but I think I will this time! =)
The Phillies usually play at either 7:05 P.M. or 7:35 P.M. Eastern Time for
weekdays. On Sundays the time is usually 1:35 P.M. Eastern Time.
Boise is in Idaho. Idaho is in part of the Mountain Time Zone and in part
of the Pacific Time Zone. The times that were given were for Mountain Time
Zone starts.
Please check a map in case I am wrong. But I am certain that Boise is in the
Mountain Time Zone.
Thanks for listening!
The Shep
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8986 | From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Nntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Rochester
Lines: 21
In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
|> Just curious.
|>
|>
|> Daemon
|>
I agree with you.
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8987 | From: wolfson@ll.mit.edu (Harry Wolfson)
Subject: Re: MacX 1.2 color problem
Keywords: mac x color window macx
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Lines: 16
Stan Kerr writes:
>When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows
>are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server
>to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen
I have the exact same problem when running Hewlett Packard's Microwave Design
System (MDS) from an HP 380 unix box and running MacX 1.2, Sys 7.0.1*.
Normally, MDS draws a window with a deep blue backround, but occasionally
it becomes a light blue and all the text, etc, inside the window become
"washed out" (nearly invisible). I thought that it was just something
brain dead that I was doing or a subtle conflict with another app or INIT.
By slightly moving the window, and forcing a re-draw, the colors get corrected.
Harry Wolfson
wolfson@ll.mit.edu
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8988 | From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks?
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu
In article <westesC5qvAp.BGJ@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>I have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in
>a '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory,
>that gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using
>the 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a
>Winbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since
>I have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card,
>I assume that something is very wrong with my setup.
>What are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this?
Most importantly, which Winbench version are you using? On my local bus ATI
Graphics Ultra Pro, I've gotten various Winbench scores from 15.8 million to
31 million winmarks, depending on the version. Winbench 2.5 gives the most
optimistic scores, 3.11 gives the least. A winmark rating is meaningless
without a corresponding version number.
Dan
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8989 | From: ven@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Van E. Neie)
Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr22.180630.18313@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) writes:
>jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>
>
>>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used
>>to compute sunrise and sunset times.
>
>Would you mind posting the responses you get?
>I am also interested, and there may be others.
>
>Thanks,
>
>N. Shirlene Pearson
>pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
There is an excellent software program called Astro.calc that does that and
much more. The latest address I have is
MMI Corporation
PO Box 19907
Baltimore, MD 21211
Phone (301) 366-1222
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8990 | From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN!
Article-I.D.: netcom.ericsC52qCC.6Fu
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said:
>>I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report?
>>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!)
>Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out
>from under oversized aqua helmets screams "Little League" in every fibre of
>my being...
Hmm, it seems the Little Leaguers didn't do too badly against Hershiser,
Strawberry, E. Davis, and the rest of the Dodgers yesterday ... :-)
-----
Eric Smith
erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
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8991 | From: dbell@coral.bucknell.edu (Dave Bell)
Subject: I need modem selection help! (especially vocabulary)
Organization: Bucknell University
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macf61.bucknell.edu
I've recently ordered a Centris 650 and need to decide on which modem to
buy. I'm pretty sure I want to get a fax/data modem that can run at 14.4k,
but is it worth it? I'll primarily only be 'conversing' over CompuServe or
some other link to the Internet, but I'm not sure if those systems can
supply ME with data at 14.4k. Another question I have is in some of the
modem lingo out there. I understand baud rates, but what does V3.4 and
V3.4bis mean? I could really use some suggestions as to what a good modem
for around $300 would be, and why it would be a good choice.
Thanks for your time.
Dave Bell
dbell@coral.bucknell.edu
"Those who forget the past are condemned to re-live it." --Duncan MacLeod
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8992 | From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7
Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com
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In article <1qhs7dINNj2b@hp-col.col.hp.com> tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom
Vervaeke) writes:
> ... experience with Jeep service dept ...
>
While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently
when I bought a new truck.
I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we
agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax
and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck.
When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could
get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he
started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had
miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed
another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was
their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then
brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I
reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be
treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole
deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it,
snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by
the turn of events.
Early the next morning I got a call from the general sales manager wanting
to know what happened. I related the story and he apologised profusely and
asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind. I told him
that if they gave me the truck for free I probably still wouldn't take it,
that there were other dealers in town, I was a repeat customer of theirs
and that they should learn how to treat customers,etc,etc...I was still
pretty steamed about the whole affair. He gave me the line about hating to
lose a customer and they would try to find a solution, etc, etc. I told
him not to bother, thanks, I'd go somewhere else.
A couple hours later, the owner of the dealership called me, all
apologetic, etc, etc, etc, and said that they would cover the $150 plus
knock another $400 off the price of the truck. I told him I'd think about
it and he gave me his private, direct phone number, his secretary's name,
and assured me that they valued me as a customer, etc etc etc....
I thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we
decided, what the hell...that was a pretty decent deal, so I called him
back and accepted his offer. When I went back the next day to pick up the
truck, I received the royal treatment. Everyone seemed to know about the
incident, even the lot boy. Everything went smoothly and I was out of
there in my new truck in about 30 mins.
So, I guess I'm a reasonably satisfied customer. However, it should not
have happened in the first place. I was a bit shocked to have a sales
person talk to me like that. I don't expect them to bow and grovel, but I
sure don't expect to be given a hard time either, esp. when it's their
mistake.
Anyway, I'm happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred
dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first year's license fee.
I'm not sure whether I'll go back to that dealer, tho.
Mark
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8993 | From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD!
Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
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In article <8846@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
}>}(a) out of context;
}>Must have missed when you said this about these other "promises of god" that we keep
}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK?
}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither.
}
}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again?
}>BTW to David Josli: I'm still waiting for either your public
}>acknowledgement of your
}>telepathy and precognition (are you a witch?) or an appology and retraction.
}
}Can you wait without whining? To pass the time, maybe you should go
}back and read the portions of my article that you so conveniently
}deleted in your reply. You'll find most of your answers there.
Nope: In particular:
>once he realized that he had
Example of telepathy?
>responding Jim's threa
What threat. Produce it.
>Jim again, still mystified
More telepathy? Or maybe just empathic telepathy, capable of determining emotional states.
>Jim, trying to
More telepathy. How do you know "trying"?!?!?
>Jim, preparing to
Precognition? Substantiate.
All this taken from your Message-ID: <8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu>.
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8994 | From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Rockies need some relief
Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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In article <1993Apr18.225740.15978@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three
^^^^
>picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning
^^^^^^^^
>be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading
^^^
Geez, can I type or what?
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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8995 | From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 17
In article <f1682Ap@quack.kfu.com>, pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)
wrote:
> In article <sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com>
> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
> >Ignorance is not bliss!
> Ignorance is STRENGTH!
> Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE!
Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece
of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above).
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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8996 | From: markm@latium. (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Bimmer vs Beamer
Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.8
Reply-To: markm@latium (Mark Monninger)
Organization: Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ
Distribution: usa
Lines: 8
Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the
record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,
let's get our terms straight.
Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round
tail light 2002 or 1600.
Mark
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8997 | From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
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This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality
as a means of population control, insist that the only values are
biological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to
Benedikt, if something is contardictory, it cannot exist, which in
this case means atheists I suppose.
I would like to understand how an atheist can object to war (an
excellent means of controlling population growth), or to capital
punishment, I'm sorry but the logic escapes me.
And why just capital punishment, what is being questioned here, the
propriety of killing or of punishment? What is the basis of the
ecomplaint?
Bill
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8998 | From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)
Subject: Re: HR 1276 ("A gun law I can live with!" :-)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
>> A BILL
>>
>> To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and
>> to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and
>> to provide for the enforcement of such right.
>Maybe I'm too "religious," but when I see a bill to "establish a right,"
>I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away.
>--
>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
I don't think your objection is beyond the bounds of rationality. The
right mentioned in the bill is already established under the Second
Amendment; the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the Second Amendment
RKBA, and then establish the procedures for redress through the federal
court system.
The right already exists and is already embodied in our Constitution.
aaron
arc@cco.caltech.edu
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8999 | Organization: Central Michigan University
From: Martin D. Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: college hockey all-star game
Lines: 3
Does anybody know the details of the Shriners All-Star game that featured the
best seniors in college hockey in a game in Orono, Maine? If you do, please
reply.
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