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From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) Subject: Re: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 26 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rever.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Entropic Destroyer (loki@acca.nmsu.edu) wrote: : I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific : refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to : email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of : the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as : well. Thanks to all who responded. The letter has been written (making liberal use of info provided by various net.folks) and handed to the paper. I'll post if it gets into the paper! --Dan -- DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.1 mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a 1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= =S5ib -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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From: apryan@vax1.tcd.ie Subject: STS-56 Press Kit Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College Dublin Lines: 9 Does anyone know ifthe STS-56 email press kit was ever released? -Tony Ryan, "Astronomy & Space", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address). (WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%) Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min
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From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 27 >>Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration >>of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for >>gun owners. > > The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are >significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* >and *making rules for ownership*. > > The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this >have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and >have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are >never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for >a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, >Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun >owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the >numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that >intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of >the next person who comes down the pike with a "reasonable" suggestion >they've already seen abused. Gun safety classes sound good in theory, but they kind of remind me of the "literacy tests" used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting. They came with the "grandfather clause": if your grandfather could vote, you could vote. Sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the political ass-kissers have guns. Doug Holland
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Distribution: na Lines: 18 geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes: >It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever >administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have >initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already >we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. No kidding. The most recent post I saw in alt.privacy.clipper (and I hope anyone interested in this topic ends up there) states that Clipper has been in development for over four years. I am, however, more than a little PO'd that Clinton put his name on this monstrosity, or even allowed it to get out the door, for that matter. He's already heard from me, and I hope you'll all take the time to voice your extreme displeasure as well. -- Tim Russell Omaha, NE trussell@unomaha.edu
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From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 66 evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >Yes, I suppose it is true that people make mistakes. It is interesting to >note that in those long ago OT days, if you weren't 100% correct in >your prophecies, people got very mad and you were no longer believed, >even put to death. This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the NT, it is expected that when believers gather, - people will prophesy - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. >To say that we make mistakes is true. To say that we make mistakes >while filled with the spirit is not true. Were that true, the entire >Bible, having been written by men inspired by God would be subject also >to those errors, for what is prophecy but like those revelations given >in scripture? Scripture is scripture; there is no "gift of scripture". And I don't know about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, they'll have a better handle on it the next time. Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying "God told >me this" and "Jesus told me that"? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed -- but God is not silent! >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise. -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ******************************************************************
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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 131 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <CMM.0.90.2.735132009.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no>, Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes: >Gun clubs: >If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??) >You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN >you can start with anything bigger. > >Drivers licence: >Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... >Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. >Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... >But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and >bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS. >(If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!) > >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) Unfortunately, elections can, and are, bought. Promise the voters money, and they will vote for you. > >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. Same here. Convicted felons may not legally purchase firearms. >And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe), >we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns. That you know of. While I lived in the DBR, a gang robbed a joint US Army/Bundewehr armoury and got several hundred M-16s, ammunition, handguns and some explosives. When I left two years later, there were no clues. > >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! >Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to... >I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;) > >The issue (I hope..): >I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem. >Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??) Who uses them is the problem. Crime, in the U.S., is "no big deal" if you are the criminal. How about 5 years for murder. Credit for time served (in jail, waiting for trial) and you are out in 12 months, worst case. If we would put criminals, especially violent ones, in the slam for true sentences, crime would drop. Instead, we reward them for being good and let them out early, very early. > >I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia: >They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them >to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns. Serbs, Croats and Muslims have been killing each other almost since before the invention of guns. Old women are throwing stones at UN trucks. This is a hatred that goes beyond reason. > >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? >(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...) Yes, the problem is the user. Question back (since you are one of the rational ones): If all gun crime were to stop, would you support dropping all gun controls? > >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? They did not believe, from experience, that the "police" (including National Guard) could/would protect them. Unless you want to argue that a human being does not have a right to protect him/herself, they did the right thing. What would you suggest as a defense against a mob throwing bottles and rocks, and also likely armed with stolen firearms? > >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) Criminals would move to Scandinavia??? :-) The average criminal would look for a less hazardous job, and the rest would likely be buried at county expense. > >Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works >(in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents... >(Something about throwing stones in glass houses...) Personally, I criticize the fools who send money to the IRA to "make Ireland free". Of course, this is the last thing the IRA wants, because they lose power if England pulls out. But that's for another group. >Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either. The U.S. has roughly 20 times the major sporting events as the U.K.. How many riots did we have at sporting events last year (off the playing field)? Hooligan is a word never used when reffering to sports fans here. I guess that's where the different cultures thing comes in. >(Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!) Yes. The question is, is the problem one of too many guns (mostly from the army) or not enough (nonSerbians can not defend themselves. > >(My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police >and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??) > >LAST WORD: >Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect >your citicens. But disarming responsible gun owners is not the solution. Yet, that is exactly what HCI is proposing. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 |
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From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr6.161107.2235@b30news.b30.ingr.com>, dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.182402.28700@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: |> |> |> |> The 'beam' is split in two, with one beam aimed at the target car (sort of) and |> |> |> the other at the ground. The speeds of each are calulated for the final |> |> |> number |> |> |> |> Actually, this is true on the more expensive ones, but the cheaper ones |> |> just read the speedometer. |> |> I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes |> them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes |> of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam |> moving-mode. Obviously the police officer reads the speedometer. I cannot believe the nit-picking in this group. There's 2 beams, there is not, is too, etc.... |> -------------------------------------------------------------------- |> [Dave Medin's 10 line sig deleted]
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From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: New Clipper Chip Proposal from the Guv... Keywords: encryption,privacy,individual rights,legalities,big brother Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 310 I saw this article posted in a local newsgroup. I haven't seen it, or any followup traffic relating to it in these groups or other groups which I subscribe to. So, I am posting it here so others can read it, check it out, and comment on it, and provide ideas for handling these sorts of things. I have no verification to the accuracy or lack of accuracy of this article, but if accurate, I find it extremely disturbing, especially in light of various abuses of the SSN number regarding privacy, (I understand it is now to be required in CA to renew a drivers license, or to register a car) and other proposals regarding 'smart' national Identity Cards, wiretap proposals, and such. One simply wonders what other gems are in the wings ready to be sprung on the people by our government. Perhaps suggestions and ideas for preventing this and other such proposals from acquiring the force of law would be useful. The cost simply outweighs any possible benefits, IMO. BTW, reading this makes me think of some ideas a Prof Denning has been promoting, in an even more disturbing form. That said, with no further comment, the article follows: ------------ Begin included article --------- Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the "Clipper Chip" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the "Clipper Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 "keys," numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks ("information superhighways") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the "Clipper Chip"? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the "Clipper Chip" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, "since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper Chip" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. ----------- End included article ----------- -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) Subject: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). Are there any MC68882RC33? Thanks Christian
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From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Nntp-Posting-Host: titan.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 47 pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: : In article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes: : |> : |> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of : |> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). : |> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? : |> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me : |> with XOpenWindow? You can't make GL calls in an XmDrawingArea widget for sure. : : There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or : GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it : allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, : glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. : : : The GlxMDraw widget works pretty well. OpenGL will be an improvement. I can vouch for that. The GL Widget works pretty well. I have been using it for sometime now. I'm not sure though whether you can use Xlib calls to draw into the GL widget. I haven't tried it yet nor have I read the accompanying documentation completely. Try posting to comp.sys.sgi for more information. Better still,you will find most of the answers in the SGI manuals .. there is a little transition guide which explains the "mixed-model programming" paradigm(Mixing X and GL). : |> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? : : I think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but : that's just an opinion. Mileage may vary. Well, PEX is designed as an extension to X and will be more seamless but then, it is buggy to start with .. opinions again. __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * ***************************************************************************
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From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... In-Reply-To: randall@informix.com's message of 19 Apr 93 20:37:19 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 76 In article <randall.735251839@woof> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes: >Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores), >and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic >over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the >touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through >their four brightness states. >I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past >my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption? >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects? >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road... Hams are unlikely to have an illegal amp, and are also unlikely to have a "dirty" amp. Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button. for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding. If you experience the problem frequently, it may be caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire, etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter. If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them). Good instructions are included with the chokes. If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things a radio operator can do to reduce interference. And please remember to be friendly when approaching your local radio operator. This person may or may not be the cause of your troubles, and you'll get better cooperation and help if you assume that he is going to be helpful (most are). It was amazing the accusations that we sometimes dealt with as I grew up. We were blamed for skip (ghost pictures on the TV that occur at sunspot peaks), c.b. interferance, dead grass :), you name it. BTW, the local operator should try and help you whether or not he or she is directly responsible. It is part of being a good neighbor and that is how the FCC views it. Too bad they don't require the consumer equipment makers to take any precautions. Last, you can usually tell ham radio vs. CB. Ham operators are required to declare their call (sign) every so many minutes (no more than 10). So if you hear "This is WA1QT" or some other call starting with A, W or K and no more than 6 total characters, you heard a ham. CB'ers probably won't sign (I don't know that they're even required to) and fire/police have other private ids. -- Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org> OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
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Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support From: f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: violet Nntp-Posting-User: f67709907 Lines: 54 In article <C4x9xA.9Ew@news.udel.edu>, philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > In article <4fjQpAu00WBLM1z50R@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a >>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped >>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the >>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see >>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the >>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. > > And these guys certainly know what they're talking about. Every > bozo from Pittsburgh to Calcutta will just have to sit up and take > notice! This Phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going > to score a LOT of runs and put up a TON of hits on the scoreboard. > You people out there are going to be sick of seeing PHILLIES > scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the > newspaper. These guys hit .304 through Spring Training..well before > getting no hit yesterday. But they had a plane to catch 45 minutes > after the game ended, so they're minds weren't in it. Up to this point, I really thought this had been written by a pro-SDCN, anti-mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for sarcasm and biting remarks. Somebody like me, for instance. The lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the original poster. > Now, on top of the great offense, they have a slightly above average > pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise. If the > pitchers do their part, and Mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum, > look for another pennant out in left field at the Vet... > > Robert C. Hite > > P.S. Michael Jack Schmidt for COMMISSIONER But then the scales were lifted from my eyes. Looks like Robert is really being serious. Oh, well. I compare the performance of the 1992 Phillies with the 1987 edition, which had outstanding run producers at every position except SS, yet finished at a frustrating sub-.500 level. The 1987 folks didn't ever amount to anything, and neither will the 1992 squad, IMHO. Any other parallels with previous years' teams for this year's editions (in the style of 1993 Braves = 1971 Orioles)? -- Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin "Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races." -- robohen Things One Wishes to See The moon, flowers, the face of a dear one. Well-performed No. The furnishings of a tea cottage. The real thoughts of one's lover--and her letter. All famous places.
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From: de7043@medtronic.COM (Don Eller) Subject: Re: MIDI files on MS-Win3.1 and SoundBlaster 1.0? Article-I.D.: medtron.1993Apr22.190051.23597 Organization: Medtronic, Inc. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: bhutan.inst.medtronic.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : I have a 486DX-33 computer with a SoundBlaster 1.0 card. I'm running : Microsoft Windows v3.1. I have the SB driver set up properly to play : normal sounds (.WAV files, etc.). I want to play midi files through the : Media Player that is included with windows. I know I have to set up the : patch maps or something in the MIDI-Mapper in the Control Panel. I KNOW : NOTHING ABOUT MIDI. (This is to be the way I'll get my feet wet.) : How do I set up Windows so that I can play MIDI files? If you install the Soundblaster windows drivers correctly, and have the latest drivers, the media player should be setup to play files authored to Microsoft's Multimedia midi authoring standard (General Midi), see the section in the back of the Voyetra manual in the Soundblaster midi upgrade kit. You'll find that midi files exist with all kinds of different mappings, so don't expect them to always sound correct without using some kind of midi file editor, such as Voyetra's Sequencer Plus. You can attempt to use the midi-mapper to remap the patches for soundblaster, but since you cannot modify the sbfm.drv you are allways stuck with the instruments that come with this driver. Unless you can find an editor for making modifications to the instrument settings in sbfm.drv , I would suggest you locate the early version of soundblaster drivers that were mapped to mt32 voices, and the later drivers that are mapped to the general midi voices. : : -- : David Thomas Dudek / v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard : State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, : of New York / "If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} : @ Buffalo / play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) '''
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From: rbw@jet.uk (Dr Richard B Wilkinson) Subject: XBell Organization: Joint European Torus Lines: 8 I have a program produces a continuous tone by calling XBell repeatedly at an interval equal to the duration of the bell. If it is run more than once on a display, the tones are buffered in the X server and the tone contunues after all occurrences of the program have exited. Is there a convenient way of preventing this, e.g., by emptying the X server bell buffer when each program exits? - Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
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From: ajackson@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Alan Jackson) Subject: MPEG Location Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: Coventry University Lines: 11 Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or Windows). Thanks in advance. -- Alan M. Jackson Mail : ajackson@cch.cov.ac.uk Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best "You'll Never Walk Alone"
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From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 5 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen: Luke 19:37
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From: cverond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Cristiano Verondini) Subject: Image plotting source code needed Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7 Hi, I'm looking for source sample on how to create a window with an image in it (actually a 2dim matrix of unsigned char). Any help will be appreciated! :))
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From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: New Name for the Stanley Cup Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 56 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr2.202146.22837@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > >Of course we need new position names for those unable to remember the >very complicated hockey terminology: > >Old Name New Name >-------- -------- > >Centre The Guy in the Middle >Left Wing The Guy on the Left >Right Wing The Guy on the Right >Defenceman The Guy Back There >Goaltender The Guy in the Net (or "cage", as my mother calls it) >Referee The Guy with the Whistle >Linesman The Guy with the Arms >Coach The Guy in the Suit >GM The Head Guy >Puck The Black Thing >Red Line The Line in the Middle >Blue Line The Line on the Side >Crease The Place in front of the Guy in the Net >Faceoff Circle The Round Thing Where They Stand >Slot or Point Over There (must point to accompany term) >Bench The Place Where They Sit >Penalty Box The Place Where They Sit When They're Bad Mr. Bettman The Guy in the Wrong Sport Mr. Stein The Guy Who Should Be In Charge But Isn't Of course, we also need new names for the individual awards, and other stuff like the President's Cup. President's Cup The Trophy Given To the Best Regular-Season Team Hart winner The Most Valuable Player, chosen from the Guys in the Middle, the Guys on the Right, the Guys on the Left, the Guys Back There, and the Guy in the Net, though typically given only to the Guys in the Middle and the Guys on the Left and on the Right Norris winner The Best Guy in the back; or, the Guy who was awarded for something even though he is not one of the Guys in the Middle or on the Left or the Right ...ad nauseum. :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! "Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter." -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993
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From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn) Subject: Waxing a new car Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 18 Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a clearcoat finish. I assume that it is probably urethane since the industry has moved in that direction in paints. In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to 60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to "cure." The dealer shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just basing it on past tradition. Does anyone know if this is still a recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes? -- Terry Quinn Germantown Hills, IL tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu from Compuserve . . . >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
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From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) writes: > > Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was >torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5 >years ago in Instanbul. > What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they >are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has >turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too. > What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta, >what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod >language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised? > Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting >Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it >is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless. > If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they >elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? >How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education? >Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right >to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those >privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university, >some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat. > BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some >of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of >Tayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am >interested in finding more books from these two people. > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but >Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$% >Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner < >> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole < >> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech < >> and don't send me anything. < Dear Mr. Karageorgiou, I would like to clarify several misunderstandings in your posting. First the bus incident which I believe was in Canakkale three years ago, was done by a mentally ill person who killed himself afterwards. The Pontus Greeks were ex- changedwith Turks in Greece in 1923. I have to logout now since my Greek friend Yiorgos here wants to use the computer. Well, I'll be back.Asta la vista baby.
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From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu I don't know what Traders is claiming, but it appears to me that the Oakland Tribune has censored gun ads in the past. Likewise for the San Francisco Chronicle, and I have never seen a gun ad in the San Francisco Examiner. Specifically, about a year ago on Thursdays, when Traders placed its ads, the Chron. ad would not have any graphics representing any handgun sale, though text could list it. The Trib. would run a graphic of a handgun. The Examiner would not have a Traders ad at all. Over the past year while Oakland politicians have made a lot of noise about measures to fight crime the Trib stopped taking the Traders ad, then started publishing it, but without any handgun graphic, then stopped, then started. Since the Trib. was sold some months ago it has not had the Traders ad. During one of these non-ad interludes a Traders employee told me that the Trib. had refused to take their ads. Yes, the usual Chron. Thursday ad was there today, with graphics representing rifles, safes, etc. as usual. Joan V
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From: nsomerse@uglx.UVic.CA (Neil Somerset) Subject: Re: ADB woes Nntp-Posting-Host: uglx.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr3.010808.3589@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes: > >Greetings, oh, wise netters.. (Oops.. That's the oracle..Sorry..) > >Anyhow, I have a basic question that I cannot answer.. Just *where* in the >heck can I buy a ADB cable?? Mine on my trackball is shot.. and I haven't >been able to find a replacement anywhere.. Unless I'm looking in the >wrong mail order catalogs.... > >Anyone have any ideas? (Places/prices/just make it myself?) > > >-Mark > >mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil You should be able to pick up an ADB cable at any computer wiring store... I'd give you the address of Alberta Computer cable in Calgary, but a: I'm in Victoria (B.C., Canada) and b: I don't think an address in Calgary would help you too much....basically however I just phoned them up, and they charged me approx. $15 cnd for a custom made ADB extension cable for my mouse. Hope this helps... Dave Maclachlan dmaclach@ra.uvic.ca NightFall Software Inc.
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From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? In-Reply-To: Center for Policy Research's message of 23 Apr 93 15:10 PDT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 30 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? ------------------------------------ While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and attempt to starve the Gazans. [...] Elias should the families of the children who were stabbed in their high school by a Palestinian "freedom fighter" be the ones who offer their help to the Gazans. Perhaps it should be the families of the 18 Israelis who were murdered last month by Palestinian "freedom fighters". The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal. Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. Harry.
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From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Misc. Stuff for Sale Article-I.D.: penguin.1po5lqINN749 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.cis.ohio-state.edu Misc. Items for sale: Walkman: Aiwa Model HS-T30, 1 year old, mint condition, hardly used, autoreverse, 3 band Equalizer, Super Bass, Dolby Noise Reduction, AM FM tuner..........Paid $70.......Asking $40+shipping. Mount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony CD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a cassette adapter in SO SO condition. Paid $45...............Asking $30+shipping. AM FM: Factory Stereo from Toyota with AM FM radio, autoreverse cassette Cassette: deck, digital tuning, like new condition only in car 6 months, Car Stereo: Asking $60+shipping. Car Speakers: Sherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months, 5 1/4 inch: excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40+shipping. 4 inch: Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20+shipping. Nintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, Gameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years + games: old all in working condition, Asking $70+shipping. Accessories: Whole Internet: The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol, book: guide to using the internet, where to fing information and resources. Paid $30..........Asking $20+shipping. MicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $ 60+shipping. Visual Basic: MicroSoft: For Windows, never used, came with my computer, Quick C: Sells new Student edition for $95............Asking $70+shipping. Please resond to fields@cis.ohio-state.edu Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields
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From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells) Subject: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 22 And one of my profs is the chief engineer for the project (Dr. Ron Humble, Univ. Colorado at Colorado Springs). I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. <BOOM!> Whooooooooshhhhhh...... <sputter, sputter> <okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!> I hear <insert favorite rumor here> that it will supposedly coincide with the Atlanta Olympics. Fuzzy. =============================================================================== _ __/| | Lt. David "Fuzzy" Wells | "I want peace on earth, \'o.O' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA | goodwill toward men." =(___)= | "We do debris" |"We're the government. We don't do that U ...ack!| wdwells@esprit.uccs.edu | that sort of thing." -SNEAKERS ===============================================================================
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From: Karim Edvard Ahmed <ka0k+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <DT642B1w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> > Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL >franchise in the first place! > Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY >(hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care >to come up and film the event?) > Yee haa Golden Gophers >Whatta weird town!!!!! What's with you stupid dorks from the "Western Business School"???!!! First there was that Cary asshole, and now you. Don't you have anything better to do instead of being obnoxious, antagonistic little shits over the network??? Why don't you just take a hike, and stop embarrasing yourself, your school, and Canada! -KEA
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From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 37 Marc Horowitz N1NZU (marc@mit.edu) wrote: : The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the : following address: : : clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) : : Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. : : % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 ...list of name elided for brevity...... : : Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc : Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA, : TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody : within any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this : just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes? I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. Some of them, yes. Others, no. This may be nothing more than a mailing list of people who get crypto-related announcements from NSA, er, I mean "NIST." -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
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From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada Lines: 24 jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: > >Hmmm. How are those orange "isolated ground" outlets (often used in >computer rooms) wired? They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal faceplate, if any). The box/faceplate ground goes to the normal distribution panel ground. The outlet ground-pin wire is generally connected to an insulated busbar in the distribution panel which is, in turn, connected to the building-entrance main ground by its own wire. So the two separate ground systems are connected together at the building's service entrance. But one is also connected to every grounded piece of electrical equipment in the whole building, while the isolated ground is shared only by the equipment plugged into isolated-ground outlets of that panel. If someone happens to accidentally short one phase of a 600V feeder to ground, the main building ground is likely to have a lot of noise on it until the breaker trips or the fuse blows, while the isolated ground will remain relatively noise-free.
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.022922.11861@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>No restriction was placed >>on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement >>of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. > >Isin't there some kind of rule (regulation, law, whatever) in some >juristictions that prohibit the use of *police band* recievers >in vehicles? And that radar transmissions are included in the police band >so they get covered by the same regulation? Those rules/regulations/laws would be subject to the same attack: that they are attempting to preempt federal authority to regulate (or not) radio communications. Of course, as the original poster noted, court challenges of this kind can get expensive. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) Subject: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line Lines: 25 Reply-To: masika@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently. Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get an exact byte count. Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating! If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'. If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes', not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only 893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say 3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It's as if it's got a problem with displaying more than 3 characters! My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I've run the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything. Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting of the status bar in the FileManger? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Nicholas Masika, masika@bnr.ca _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ (613) 765-4893 / fax:765-4309 _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ OPC Development Operations -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Nntp-Posting-Host: hiroshima.rest.ri.cmu.edu Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu Organization: Omron Corporation / Carnegie Mellon Lines: 28 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: |> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: |> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your |> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of |> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. |> |> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the |> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it." A friend |> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by |> the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they |> were assuming by pulling that stunt. (not that logic has anything to do with it, but...) I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving, or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an additional factor in attributing "blame". Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different story with that that nice paint job on the door.... *jeff* -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey E.F. Friedl Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu [ DoD##4 N8XBK CBR250R ] Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: electric-monk.mit.edu In article <1qplh7$e2g@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes: } In article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: } >In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes: } >} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.] } >at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game } >is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily } >standings and results here every day. } } Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering. it was meant entirely, 100%, as a compliment. } I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially } for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games } in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other } countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also, } many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only } available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free } of charge and has no copyright restrictions. i was not trying to criticize your service at all. in fact, i was trying to encourage others to use it. i don't personally use it, but i'm sure others do, and that was my point in posting--there is no need for individuals to duplicate, in an ad hoc fashion, what you have already organized. } >if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list } >and use that. } } Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the } rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through } private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that } branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list } grows by an average of 35 people a day. having one person, such as yourself, who does it, is a great idea. having 100 do it is not. that's all. keep up the good work, Joseph. -*- charles
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From: blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card? Organization: Silicon Graphics Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.230319.28437@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: |> PC Magazine just did another review of high-end graphics accelerators. For all |> around performance (Windows, DOS, CAD) go for ATI Graphics Ultra Pro. They've |> done two reviews in the last three months and that card ranks as an editors |> choice in both reviews. For all around performance it seems it just can't be |> beat. You should pick up this issue of PC-Mag (April 13) and check it out for |> yourself. Windows: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards are significantly faster doing Windows than the ATI card. VGA: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards they looked at are significantly slower doing VGA than the ATI card. About 1/2 the speed, as I recall. The big question for me is the Orchid V9000 card. Each of the P9000 cards tested so far has had the W5186 to do VGA. Orchid is the only one I know about (I don't know about AMI) that uses the W5286 for VGA. That is reportedly faster. I would like to know whether the Orchid card can do VGA as fast as the ATI card. If so, it would appear to be a formidable competitor. (Advertised prices are about the same for the two cards.) Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look like? Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed? --Bob
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From: rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Lines: 12 Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? -- --- Tim Rolfe rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu rolfe@junior.dsu.edu
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From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 In article <93106.161324LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes: >Mark states in his post to know the dealer price and offer $200-$300 >above. My husband and I are in the market to buy our first car >together, and neither of us know how to go about it. How do >you find out the dealer price? Are their books to look in? Do >you send away somewhere for it? Several company publish periodicals (3 or 4 times a year) which list the sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their options. Edmund's is the name of one such price guide. You can find these price guides at most places which sell magazines. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time!
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From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 49 R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes: >In article <C5Lz30.Jus@news.cso.uiuc.edu> >cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > >>laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) writes: >> >>>From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): >>>> >> >>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. >>>> Any gold trim. >> >>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake >>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies >>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion >>>in the way. >>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with >>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. >>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... >> >> I have seen a cutlass Supreme coupe (GM10) with a vinyl roof, ditto >>a Taurus. Shoot the owners, NOW, before it's too late. >> > It gets better. I've seen them on a 4-door escort, Chevy S-10 >Blazer, and even a Chevy astro mini-van. A mini-van w/ a fake >convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating! > And better yet..There's a chevette in town with wire crome wheels, vinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire crome wheel within, of course)...I'm scared to look on the inside and have only seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn't just ate. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bob Martel | Lady luck must have been a wonderful girl >bob2@cua3.csuohio.edu | -She's never been a friend of mine! >R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu | The Alan Parsons Project > | The 3B1 lives! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris T. Ward DoD#0710 "Don't take life too seriously, you can never come out of it alive." -? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: High Prolactin Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <93088.112203JER4@psuvm.psu.edu> JER4@psuvm.psu.edu (John E. Rodway) writes: >Any comments on the use of the drug Parlodel for high prolactin in the blood? > It can suppress secretion of prolactin. Is useful in cases of galactorrhea. Some adenomas of the pituitary secret too much. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: brr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRANT RICHARD RITTER) Subject: computer graphics to vcr? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15 HELP MY FRIEND AND I HAVE A CLASS PROJECT IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPUTER ANIMATED MOVIE OF SORTS WITH THE DISNEY ANIMATION AND WOULD LIKE TO PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON A VCR IS THIS POSSIBLE? IS IT EASY AND RELATIVELY CHEAP? IF SO HOW? WE BOTH HAVE 386 IBM COMPATIBLES BUT ARE RELATIVELY CLUELESS WITH COMPUTERS IF YOU COULD HELP PLEASE DO. THANX. -- BRANT RITTER ----------------------------------------------------- moshing-- "a cosmic cesspool of physical delight." -A. Kiedas RHCP -----------------------------------------------------
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > > The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for >certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church >meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just >pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I >maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely >passenger? If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a small one). --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Kevin Kimmell - Computer Science/German Undergrad) Subject: HOW is a Null Modem Cable? Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 13 I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.) What I'm asking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?) I just want to solder one myself instead of buying one. I don't even know what port is used. Help me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu) Kevin p.s. I'm intending to use the cable for PC-to-PC transfers (via Lap-Link or Telix. Ideas and info gladly accepted.)
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From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: helix.med.unc.edu Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 40 In article 8HC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.160929.696@galki.toppoint.de> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de >writes: >> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF "version number" >> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its "deep philosophical >> significance". >> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, >> Is this actually how they picked the number 42? > >I'm sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the >TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I'm none too happy about the >complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their "arbitrary but >carefully chosen number" is neither. Additionally, I find their >choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why >not just use the letters "TIFF"? > >(And no, I don't think they should have bothered to support both word >orders either- and I've found that many TIFF readers actually >don't.) > >ab Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to help define or critique the spec. Finally, a little numerology: 42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit image format... Chris --- ********************************************************************* Christopher P. Tully cptully@med.unc.edu Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill CB# 7525 (919) 966-2699 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ********************************************************************* I get paid for my opinions, but that doesn't mean that UNC or anybody else agrees with them.
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From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7306 Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 23 In article <C5nF8t.Gsq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >> A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and >ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right >now, which is very slow. What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with fast routines than just "polygons". It would be nice to know exaclty what system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] | Were the contained thoughts 'opinions', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best| | PSU would probably not agree with them. | | | | "Look, I don't know anything about | | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze | | when I see it!" - The Dead Milkmen | []--------------------------------------------------------------------[]
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From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 91 In article <1qpavfINN2jp@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: :In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu :(Paul E. Reimer) writes: :> In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano :Pitargue) writes: :> :> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] :> :> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw :> >cars. :> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some :> regulation to try to combat this. : :Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems :the driver's license process does not work for this. : I can testify to this. My cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital, and his friend was killed, because of a drunk driver. The son-of-a-b**** is back on the streets... Officers from the scene are still p***ed about that one. :> to take a drivers safety class. : :Because you wanted one while you were underage. : :> I HAVE to be licensed to drive. : :Only on public roads. : :> My car :> MUST be registered. : :Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my :property. : :> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability :> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an :> accident with it). : :Only on public roads. And this obviously doesn't always work, else why would they offer uninsured motorist coverage? : :> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration :> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for :> gun owners. I object to mandatory registration because I don't trust my government not to use any information I give them for their own purposes. I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol in my home state, but they never asked whether I actually owned a firearm. A safety class before issuing a permit to carry is reasonably, provided such classes are regularly available to the public. Of course, most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition rifle team to count. : :Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) Hey, now that's an idea :) : :> Paul Reimer : :Jim Now, unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms, why would you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise their rights? (I know, defending oneself/family/whoever IS a right... at least as far as my 9mm and I are concerned... ) (Also as far as the State of Alabama seems to be concerned) Why don't you push for stricter prosecution of those who use firearms in the commission of a crime? I've already pointed out how we aren't nailing DUI's hard enough... Comparing the US with other countries seldom works, but the European attitude towards alchohol and DUI seems to work.. Their attitude towards weapons isn't really a valid comparison because they've historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive, while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the European monarchies (for the most part) to take a flying leap (used more polite language though). We even weaseled out of our first international treaty, and then convinced the French that it was in their best interests not to complain.. But first we had to overcome the fact that the Brits were doing their best to restrict us to squirrel guns and such, so we'd be properly submissive while they forced us to pay for their wars. Of course, most American history classes these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to convey... I'm glad my Amer. Hist. teacher was a Libertarian who had us review a good portion of the Federalist Papers, and debate their origins and meanings. enough rambling, James -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ********************************************************************************
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From: mbell@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mike Bell) Subject: **** CURSOR SIZE PROBLEMS **** Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: jed.csc.liv.ac.uk /* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved this */ /* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-) */ I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1 X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size. I tried using the following code: unsigned int w,h; XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w, &h); to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not how can I get round the problem!! Thanks in advance Mike
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From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) Subject: Re: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC Reply-To: lam@jove.cofc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) writes: >I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which >distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. > >The information I am looking for is: > >Mail address >Phone number >Fax number >E-mail address Try postmaster@norton.com or postmaster@symantec.com > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** >*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** >*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** >*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** -- --- Ken Lam Network Administrator @ University of Charleston / Dept of Biology & Geology S.C. Space Grant Consortium (803)-792-4969 / FAX (803)-792-5446
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From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr17.145045.12449@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >: In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >: >: It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >: reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. > >...Society would collapse if most people were evil most of the time." > -- David Bergland Agreed. > >"If people are basically evil, the last thing you'd want is a big >government staffed by those evil folks exercising control over you." > -- David Bergland Agreed. >"Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and >leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress." -- U.N. report Agreed. >: The argument is not between those who want "limited" government and those >: who want "unlimited" government. It is between those who believe >: government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and >: those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical >: grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. > >Good summary... Selling your labor or goods so that you can eat >and buy a house is essential so that you can excercise your >personal freedoms. >-- >Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President And this demonstrates, I assume, that you're a liberal. :-). -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM "One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
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From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtuiINNj5d Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then.
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From: shread@ll.mit.edu ( Peter Shread) Subject: El Sets Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Distribution: us Lines: 5 I am looking for a source of orbital element sets other than UAF/Space Command. I believe there is one on CompuServe. Please let me know what other possible sources there are and how I can reach them. Thanks much.
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From: v064mb9k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Need diode model for PSpice Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 15 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Im designing a circuit with just a silicon diode. I dont need to modify any of the parameters. But the problem will not accept the following statement .model diode D The pspice book I have is terrible. I would appreciate any help. Neil Gandler _____________________________________________________________________________ Gandler Electronics Home Automation & electronic design technology _____________________________________________________________________________
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From: drbombay@netlink.cts.com (Walter Ladwig) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Article-I.D.: netlink.4iBk2B1w165w Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA Lines: 7 The Blackhawks shall triumph. Walter Ladwig @ "This is the weather the cuckoo likes, Net Link @ armored division submissive to DrBombay@Netlink.cts.com @ vernacular the world into a gambling @ birdhouse velocity." -The Cut-Ups
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From: davidb@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (David Bull) Subject: Intel RMX O/S Documentation Wanted Organization: School of MPCE, Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: davidb@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au We've just been donated a large machine for use in our robotics lab. This device is complete with a 286 based controller, running the Intel RMX operating system. Unfortunately, we don't have any documentation on RMX. Can anybody out there in netland help? Please reply via email; I don't regularly catch up with the news. Thanks, David Bull davidb@mpce.mq.edu.au
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr19.003221.11964@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: [Evan Pritchard writes:] >> I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, >>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming >>front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although >>they were not great players themselves. > >Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than >those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after >him? [owner vs. player contributions deleted...] >Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution >or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the >sport itself? [stuff deleted...] >The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and >that is: "it is the players that are what make the game great and not the >people who put them on the ice" As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons. Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his was a "jingoistic rant", but you also supported the name-changing on the grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all. Just an observation... However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway. If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although it was the chicken.....) >Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch >is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have >always thought that this was nonsense. Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up. -- dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: UH Dept of Math Lines: 162 "Darren" == Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu> writes: Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines. and Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint. While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin. Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think, does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible. But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For "the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, *nor can it do so*" (Romans 8:7). Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation ("Sola Scriptura"), but accepted the necessity of the use of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation. Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, "But mad reason rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like the works which we do, regards it as worthless." (Large Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him described as a `take no prisoners' theologian. We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt compelled to defend himself and the apostles against a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others) as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true (Acts 17:11). The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the message that "I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead" but rather "I know that my redeemer lives!" (Job 19:25). The Christian does not side with Pilate in saying "What is truth?" but rather follows Christ, who said, "In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me" (John 18:37). We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can know the truth. Jesus said, "If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs urge us "Buy the truth, and do not sell it." (Pr 23:23). The Psalmist prayed "Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth" (Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth was in fact `in his mouth'. Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his promise of forgiveness. REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be REXLEX> absolute about a thing. Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically' than you would. Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, "This is my body." Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- Darren> substantiation? He didn't say. Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say that if Jesus said, "This is my body," then that is what we should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because they are not taught in Scripture. Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." By these words we should believe that the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove* that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture. [side remark] I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching "real presence" because that was the traditional teaching of the church. [end side remark] Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying Darren> to cover them up. This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach, "I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for yourself whether to believe it or not." Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert Becker's paperback, "The Foolishness of God: The place of reason in Lutheran theology," published by Northwestern Publishing House. This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University of Chicago. David Wagner "Not by might, nor by power, a confessional Lutheran but by my Spirit," says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 4:6.
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Suicide Bomber Attack in the Territories Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 22 Attention Israel Line Recipients Friday, April 16, 1993 Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car Bomb Explosion Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the blast suffered light to moderate injuries. -Danny Keren
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From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <C5xuGL.Jow@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>, xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes... >Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today's Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the >head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons. > >Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned >yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel. >Shea's presentation was rambling and almost inaudible. I missed the presentations given in the morning session (when Shea gave his "rambling and almost inaudible" presentation), but I did attend the afternoon session. The meeting was in a small conference room. The speaker was wired with a mike, and there were microphones on the table for the panel members to use. Peons (like me) sat in a foyer outside the conference room, and watched the presentations on closed circuit TV. In general, the sound system was fair to poor, and some of the other speakers (like the committee member from the Italian Space Agency) also were "almost inaudible." Shea didn't "lead the formal presentation," in the sense of running or guiding the presentation. He didn't even attend the afternoon session. Vest ran the show (President of MIT, the chair of the advisory panel). > >Shea's deputy, former astronaut Bryan O'Connor, will take over the effort. Note that O'Connor has been running the day-to-day operations of the of the redesign team since Shea got sick (which was immediately after the panel was formed).
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1qmlgaINNjab@hp-col.col.hp.com>, cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: = =Jason Chen writes: => Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one => suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But => if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. = =---------- = =Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left =out the part about "we all ate the same thing." Changes things a bit, eh? Perhaps. Now, just what leads you to believe that it was MSG and not some other ingredient in the food that made you ill? =These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its =(optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally. And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 35 In article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > >I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest >surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just >my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an >opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway.... > >Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby Well, since the Oilers didn't win a heck of a lot of games, I'm not sure they deserve and MVP ("can't win without him"). However, I'd suggest Kelly Buchberger instead of Dave Manson, who has had a brutal year, his pick for the All-Star game notwithstanding. As for biggest surprise, I'd say that Buchberger had higher expectations this year due to his "breakthrough" year (for him) last year, so he didn't really raise his game. My suggestion would be Shjon Podein, one of the callups from Cape Breton during the year. He was quite far down on the depth chart in the Oilers stable of prospects, but made a big impact on the team. He has 12 goals in his 33 games and is only -1. Those are decent numbers for a third-line player who was seemingly doomed to minor-league oblivion. The Oilers coaching staff likens his style to John Tonelli. I think he'll be on the full-time roster next year. As for biggest disappointment, you could name any of the players the Oilers dumped for lousy production this year (Nicholls, Gilchrist, Tikkanen) or even Shayne Corson, but Mellanby isn't far off. -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...
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From: konrad@intacc.uucp (Konrad Skreta) Subject: Macintosh II cx for sale Distribution: tor Expires: 01 May 93 Reply-To: konrad@intacc.UUCP (Konrad Skreta) Organization: Matrix Artists' Network Lines: 5 Macintosh II cx with 40 MB HD, 8 MB RAM and 19" monochrome monitor (Ikegami) is for sale. Asking $3,000, no reasonable (best) offer will be rejected. Contact Konrad at (416) 365-0564m Mon-Frii 9-5.
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From: bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) Subject: TRUE "GLOBE", Who makes it? Organization: (N.) To be organized. But that's not important right now..... Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear shaped than globular/spherical. Does anyone make a "globe" that is accurate as to actual shape, landmass configuration/Long/Lat lines etc.? Thanks in advance. -- bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance), Bothell, WA rwing!xpresso!bill You listen when I xpresso, I listen When uuxpresso.......:-)
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From: chin@ee.ualberta.ca (Jing Chin) Subject: Need Info on DSP project Summary: General info on building a DSP project that can manipulate music Keywords: DSP , D/A , A/D , music , project Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 10 I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette. Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that can equilize/mix music? Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters & a DSP compiler. A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jing Chin e-mail address:chin@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
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From: rm03@ic.ac.uk (Mr R. Mellish) Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Imperial College Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.31.80.14 In article <199304041750.AA17104@kepler.unh.edu> dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: > > > > Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about >it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts >on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom >stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort >of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. [most of post deleted] > > Please respond as soon as possible. I'd like these religious postings to >stop, NOW! > > >Thanks, > > Dana > > > There is an easy way out.... Post the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large capitals, EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER :) -- ------ Robert Mellish, FOG, IC, UK ------ Email: r.mellish@ic.ac.uk Net: rm03@sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk IRC: HobNob ------ and also the mrs joyful prize for rafia work. ------
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From: seth@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Seth Buffington) Subject: Re: GUI Study Organization: University of North Texas, Denton Distribution: na Lines: 35 >Cutsie little Macintrash-like icons that are an instant recipe for >mousitis IMHO. System 7 is undoubtedly the worst GUI I have used (out of >that, RISCOS, MSWombles, and X11) simply because it does not provide enough >keyboard shortcuts. Windows I must confess I quite like (cover your ears >:-) ) because you can actually use it without having to ever touch the >mouse. [stuff delete] >the user rather than making things _easier_ - and there should always be >the option to do it your way if you want to, which is why I like the >UNIX/X combination so much - it's so customizable. Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at the moment.) I don't think it is too much to ask that window programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in less time IF you are experienced. All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than DOS). -- \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Seth Buffington U.S.S. GAB 550 I 817-565-2642 / \ seth@cs.unt.edu seth@gab.unt.edu Unix Operator / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: RE: the truth starts to come out Distribution: usa Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Lines: 28 In article <C5uA7r.DAD@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com>, pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes: > > > I have just one thing to say about this: WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON! > The FBI and BATF storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with > this. Demand a full investigation of the Waco survivor's story of > the lantern being knocked over by the tank. We can't bring anybody > back from the dead, but we may be able to send a few of them to > political hell. I heard over NPR yesterday morning that Arlan Specter, Senator from Pennsylvania, has already called for a Congressional investigation. The problem is that Specter was one of the key government attorneys several years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations of JFK and others. That is to say, the Chief Fox wants to check out the hen house. Writing your representatives is a great idea. When you do ask that they keep Specter and his cronies far away from any investigation. > > Would someone please post the generic addresses for Congress and > Senate so that we can all write letters? -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not <f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> | matter at all what actually happened. Red-neck and proud of it. | Truth is what the government chooses to | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen. Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La.
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From: george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon Lines: 25 langford@gems.vcu.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: >> Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, >> I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: >> gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the >> issue as well as the First-Amendment side. >Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument: >1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. >2) Strong cryptography is "arms", according to the U.S. government (that's > why it's so hard to export). >Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! >Q.E.D. >[. . .] Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? I think a new organization would be a much better idea, as the NRA carries as much undesireable baggage for me as the EFF and CPSR do for others. Are any hot-shot, reputable organizers reading this message? If an effective group comes into existence, it can count on me signing up. -- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com)
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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 18 In <93105.093812KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> <KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes: >Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business >executive wrote: "Separation of church and state is a false premise >that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of >our constitution." blechhhh. Gimme that ole' time Inquisition ... >Oh yes, the organization's "national ecclesisatical advisor" is >Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. It figures, doesn't it? -- Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must - or - act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton
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From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Best frontplate for SyQuest in IIvi/IIvx/C650? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-7.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 11 Could someone tell me how to make/find/get the best frontplate for IIvi/IIvx/C650 with internal SyQuest drive? Is there one available or do I have to make one from the original or CD-ROM one or scratch? Every suggestion welcome. -- Jartsu
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From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Subject: message from Space Digest X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 58 Joint Press release ESA/UN No 18-93 Paris, 19 April 1993 UN/ESA joint training course on satellite applications to be held in Italy, 19-30 April The United Nations and the European Space Agency (ESA) are jointly organising a training course on the applications of satellite data gathered by the European Remote Sensing Satellite (ERS-1), to be held in Frascati, Italy, from 19 to 30 April. The training course will discuss the applications of satellite data concerning natural resources, renewable energy and the environment. The training course, organised for the benefit of francophone African experts, will be hosted by ESRIN, the European Space Agency's establishment in Frascati, which is responsible for coordination with the users of data from ESA's remote sensing satellite. Twenty-four experts in the field of remote sensing, selected from 19 francophone countries from northern, western and central Africa, and three regional African centres, will attend the two-week session. The course will focus on remote sensing techniques and data applications, particularly ERS-1 data. The ERS-1 satellite, developed by ESA and launched in 1991 with the European Ariane launcher, carries an advanced radar instrument and is the first in a series of radar remote sensing missions that will ensure availability of data beyond the year 2000. The aim of the training course is to increase the potential of experts using the practical applications of radar remote sensing systems to natural resources, renewable energy and the environment, with particular emphasis on applications to geology and mineral prospecting, oceanography and near- coastal areas, agriculture, forestry and meteorology. The education and practical training programme was developed jointly by the United Nations and ESA. The facilities and the technical support, as well as lecturers and information documents for the training course, will be provided by the Agency. Lecturers at the training course will include high-level experts from other European and African organisations active in remote sensing applications. Funds for the training course are being provided by the United Nations Trust Fund for New and Renewable Sources of Energy; the primary contributor to that Fund is the Government of Italy. A similar training course is being planned for Latin American experts.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.232551.14817@leland.Stanford.EDU> eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) writes: >One phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!! >Thanks. Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 60 In article <11847@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article <115670@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>In article <11826@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >>I am refuting nothing but simply telling you what I see, which is >>childish propaganda and nothing to be refuted. BCCI was not >>an Islamic bank, so this post has nothing to do with Islamic banks. >>I am tiring of this infantile garbage, so I simply evaluated it >>as such. >>> Could you maybe flesh it out just a bit? Or did I miss the full >>> grandeur of it's content by virtue of my blinding atheism? >>You may be having difficulty seeing the light because you >>have your head up your ass. I suggest making sure this is >>not the case before posting again. > It's time for your lesson in debate, Gregg. Yeah, right. >Begin included text: >From vice!news.tek.com!uunet!psinntp!wrldlnk!usenet Sun Apr 18 10:01:11 PDT 1993 >I noticed a post on this topic in soc.religion.islam. And since the topic >of the BCCI being/not being an Islamic bank has come up, I have left in the >one mention of the BCCI bank called "How BCCI adapted the Koran rules of >banking" from this bibliography. >Bennett, Neil. "How BCCI adapted the Koran rules of banking". The >Times. August 13, 1991. So, let's see. If some guy writes a piece with a title that implies something is the case then it must be so, is that it? > This is how you support a position if you intend to have anyone > respect it, Gregg. Any questions? And I even managed to include > the above reference with my head firmly engaged in my ass. What's > your excuse? This supports nothing. I have no reason to believe that this is piece is anything other than another anti-Islamic slander job. I have no respect for titles, only for real content. I can look up this article if I want, true. But I can tell you BCCI was _not_ an Islamic bank. Seeing as I'm spending my time responding to propaganda (in responding to this little sub-thread) I really don't feel a deep need to do more than make statements to the effect that the propaganda is false. If someone wants to discuss the issue more seriously then I'd be glad to have a real discussion, providing references, etc. Gregg
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Arafat (Re: Sampson) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 61 In article <5897@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.182402.11676@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >>Perhaps, though one can argue about whether or not the current >>Palestinian delegation represents the PLO (I would hope it does not, as >>the PLO really doesn't have that kind of legitimacy). >Does it matter to you, Naftaly, Adam, and others, that Arafat >advises the delegation and that the PLO, overall, supports it? Does >it also matter that Arafat, on behalf of the PLO, recognizes Israel >and its right to exist? Further, does Israel's new policy concerning >direct negotiations with the PLO hold any substance to the situation >as a whole? No, he does not. Arafat explicitly *denies* this claim. from a Libyan televison interview with Yasser Arafat 7-19-1991 Q: Some people say that the Palestinian revolution has many times changed its strategies and tactics, something which has left its imprint on the Palestinian problem and on the Palestinian Liberation Front. The [strategies and tactics] have not been clear. The question is, is the direction of the Palestinian problem clear? The Palestinian leadership has stopped, or at least this is what has been said in the media, this happened on the way to the dialogue with the United States, the PLO recognized something called "Israel"... A: No, no, no! We do not recognize the State of Israel. We said "recognition" -- when a Palestinian state is established. It will then decide if to recognize Israel or not. When it is established, its parliament will convene and decide. >policies which it can justify through occupation. Because of this, >you have the grassroot movements that reject Israel's authority and >disregard for human rights; and, if Israel was serious about peace, it >would abandon these policies. And replace them with what? If Israel is to withdraw its control of any territory, there must be two prerequsites. One is that it leads to a reduction in deaths. The second is that it should not weaken Israels bargianing position with respect to peace talks. Leaving Gaza unilateraly is a bad idea because it encourages arabs to think they can get what they want by killing Jews. The only way Israel should pull out of Gaza is at the end of negotiations. These negotiations should lead to a mutually agreeable solution with security guarantees for both sides. Until arabs are ready to sit down at the table and talk again, they should not expect, or recieve more concessions. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu "If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) Subject: response Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 113 Fucking news reader... I don't think this got posted... If it did, ignore it this time. (A response to Korey) ------------ begin my response ----------------- In article <1plorlINNslt@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes: >lamontg@u.washington.edu writes: >[...] >> >>well, i just did a quick medline scan and came up with the following article >>by Tashkin that reviews the literature, i'd probably start here... > >> Document 13 >>AN 90273700. 9007A. >>AU Tashkin-D-P. >>IN Department of Medicine, University of California, School of Medicine, >> Los Angeles 90024. >>TI Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse. >>RF REVIEW ARTICLE: 61 REFS. [...] >Why isn't this information in the FAQ on marijuana ? If we expect >people to think we are telling them the truth about drugs, why does >this group constantly refute every negative thing about almost all >drugs. Maybe because the claims deserve refute? The above abstract lists various possible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung problems. Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but without actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered their data it really doesn't tell you shit. I'm going to track down that study hopefully tomarrow. [...] >I never claimed pot was more or less damageing than >cigarettes......I was just trying to keep ourselves honest. If we are >going to educate kids...and adults...and tell them the truth about drugs >don't you think a much better approach would be to list the pro's and >con's of each type of drug. What justifies _the_ truth about drugs? Research? What sort of research? Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not prove anything. >How can you expect someone to make a >decision when the PDFA on one hand says that all drugs are absolutely >BAD BAD BAD.....and this newsgroup consistently refuses to admit that >drugs like heroin even have negative side effects. Heroin _is_ a relatively safe drug. What makes it unsafe are IV administration and shit like adulterants. There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they effect people differently. >I've seen numerous >posts claiming heroin has lower addiction rates that cigarettes, which >might be true, but it is very deceiving, because heroin is much more >harmful drug to be addicted to than cigarettes. Heroin addicts are >far more prone to end up in the gutter and destroy their family and >friends than people addicted to just cigarettes. Stereotypical statement. I know people who use heroin and opiates that function just fine in society. >This group does >provide some very good information to people, but I am worried that >the pro-legalization/pro-decriminalization movement is being hurt when >it refuses to admit that any/some drugs are VERY harmful.... Name some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically. [...] > I'm all for legalization of most drugs, but when someone asks me >about relative risks of certain drugs or possible bad side effects, I >would like to know them....and not be given the run-around by this >group....which recently tried to tell me that pot was not harmful in >any manner to people's lungs. NO, NO, NO. (or at least I haven't been arguing this). there is not enough data to form a scientific conclusion. that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis is benign to users' lungs. we can form all the theories we want, but they are only theories. some theories are supported by more evidence than others, and that makes them stronger. >I think it's time y'all re-examined >your positions and try to understand that you cannot fight the PDFA >by calling them a bunch of liars.... the hell I can't! they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as a *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use. [...] In general, I somewhat see what you're saying. And people like Jack Herer contribute to this. This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently, and I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by word of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has decreased significantly. gotta run to class.. -marc andersom@spot.colorado.edu > _ _ _ _ _ _ kkruse@ksuvm.bitnet >|/ | | |_) |_ \ / | |/ |_) | | (_` |_ kkruse@ksuvm.ksu.edu >|\ |_| | \ |_ | (_| |\ | \ |_| ._) |_ kkruse@matt.ksu.edu
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From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: Insurance discount Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote: : Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They : do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts. Good prices too IMHO. tony -- Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant) CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121
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From: glenne@sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 78 John Ackermann x 2966 (jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: : My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 : to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just : wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. : I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there : are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. : My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver "back : end" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm : particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any : current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a : normal IF filter can be used? : Any suggestions? : John What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the 10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings. I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz. They are essentially double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz. The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook. The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used at these speeds. There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly). While using this would have let me reduce the "external" IF count on receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I didn't bother with it. The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2 MHz channel but later reduced to half that. These 256 kbps radios actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and speed is pretty much a function of filter design. Handling the data stream is another matter entirely. Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a "beacon" test mode. While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn. Even though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of a second. I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running low on resources of time, money and energy. If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley). The antenna is horizontally polarized. I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and you might want to carefully consider your "target". If you can't arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS. For more details, see the 10th CNC. I'm currently working on a spread spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems. I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems. 73 Glenn Elmore n6gn N6GN @ K3MC amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com
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From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: spring records Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 26 Distribution: world Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Earl Weaver Commandments The Orioles' pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season. Four shutouts, low team ERA, (Well, I haven't gotten any baseball news since March 14 but anyways) Could they contend, yes. Could they win it all? Maybe. But for all those fans of teams with bad spring records, remember Earl Weaver's first law of baseball (From his book on managing) No one gives a damn in July if you lost a game in March. :) BTW, anyone have any idea on the contenders for the O's fifth starter? It's pretty much set that Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald and Rhodes are the first four in the rotation. Here at Johns Hopkins University where the mascot is the Blue Jay :(, their baseball team logo was the Toronto club's logo. Now it's a anatomically correct blue jay. God, can't they think of an original idea? It's even in the same pose as the baltimore oriole on the O's hats. How many people realize that the bird is really called a baltimore oriole? __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |"Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society" from Red Dwarf - "Polymorph" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Need a book Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 37 In article <Apr.14.03.08.18.1993.5458@athos.rutgers.edu> bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) writes: > >I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea >scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. > >Please reply by e-mail at <bassili@cs.arizona.edu> Ok boys & girls, hang on; here we go! Christ's Eternal Gospel Robinson & Robinson The Dead Sea Scrolls & the NT WS LaSor James the Just in Habakkuk Pesher RH Eisenman Maccabees ... Quamran RH Eisenman Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered Eisenman & Wise Dead Sea Scrolls Deception Baigent & Leigh Jesus & Riddle of Dead Sea Scrolls B Thiering Jesus Scroll D Joyce Happy Reading & welcome aboard A poor Wayfaring Stranger [some say, a Strange One] in a strange land, +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Disclaimer: Not my employer's opinion; probably | | not your's either; and | | only mine, when authorized! | | | | Try: Roger_Holfeltz@stortek.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Note that this list covers quite a variety of views. As such it's probably a good one. But if you want to read just one book, beware that a couple of the books on that list represent views that are, shall we say, unusual. --clh]
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From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: getting to the point! Lines: 12 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 12 To all a.a readers: I have been asked be several of you to post a list of the SDA Church's 27 Fundamental beliefs. I warn you now, it's a long list. However, I'll post it on Sunday. Sabbath is coming up soon so I won't be reading on Saturday. And I don't have time to do it now. I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would keep me in touch with what's going on. I hope all of you have a reastful and relaxing weekend. I hope it's the best one so far!! Tammy
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> Subject: Re: MLB = NBA? Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr17.052025.10610@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says: > >I think that >players' salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that they're on >a pace to become severely detrimental to baseball's future. > so you want to decrease players' salaries? so you want to increase owners' salaries? the two are equivalent. bob vesterman.
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1q6rie$mo2@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes: >So, why are the scans so expensive, and what can be done to reduce the >expense? Isn't it just a box with some big magnets, a radio transmitter, >and an attached PC? The magnets are huge! Good MRI sets with big (>1.5 Tesla) magnets cost millions of dollars. Then, the radiologist wants $400 for reading each scan. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 18 dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from time to time be simple fishing expeditions. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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Subject: roman.bmp 11/14 From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Distribution: usa Organization: University of South Dakota Lines: 956 ------------ Part 11 of 14 ------------ MR1865%22DM75U=75U4)"0IV=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V= MG9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V= MG9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V=G9V= MG9V=0M75U=625!;)B8E,3`]G9S2+[>WM4QD]F0->7EXJWZ5F,8>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX<Q9J5ZNP.9F3V9F9F9F3W2TG%Q&1FPL%-3[>WM[>WM[5-3L+!3L+`9 M&1D9&7%Q<7%Q<7%Q&7'2TCT]/=+2TM+2TM+2/3T]/3T]/=+2TG%QTCV9F0,# M`P->7EZ[N[LJ>GIZW]]'1Z6EI0L+9F9F9F9F9F;$Q,3$Q,3$Q,3$9F8+"PL+ MI:5'>GHJ*BHJN[M>7EY>7@.9/3W2TG%Q<1D9L%-3[8N+-,5G9P],3$Q,3$Q, 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From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) Subject: Re: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Organization: LESC Lines: 19 In <1993Apr20.041300.21721@ncsu.edu> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: > I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following >companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel >offices or like bureau. The companies are: > - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) 101 Courageous Dr. Leage City, TX 77573 Phone: (713) 538-6000 Good Luck! Doug -- Doug Egan "It's not what you got - Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give." Houston, TX -Tesla ***** email: egan@blkbox.com *****
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From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB") Subject: Space Event in Los Angeles, CA X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 52 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a potential to power the globe. For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever increasing demand using proven, basic technology. OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the National Space Society, which is an international non-profit organization that promotes development of the space frontier. The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left
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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 Kaldis writes: #The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was #presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court #apparently found this compelling. Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and they are not prostitutes. #Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the #Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead? Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. I presented evidence that what you said is *NOT* what the judge ruled. Provide your evidence. Repeating a false claim is not evidence. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w
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From: dougs@Ingres.COM (DOUG SCHNEYMAN) Subject: My two cars - Chevy Nova CL ('87) and Dodge 600 SE ('87) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Chevy Nova Dodge 600SE Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 29 As you can see, I have two 1987 cars, both worth about $3000 each. The problem is that maintenance costs on these two cars is running about $4000 per year and insurance $3000 per year. What am I doing wrong? Within the last two months, the follows costs have occured: Dodge 600 SE (Dodge's attempt at the American German car!) $1,000 - replace head gasket $300 - new radiator Chevy Nova CL (Chevy's attempt at a Japan import!) $500 - tune-up,oil change,valve gasket,middle exhaust pipe, misc. Note also that the Chevy Nova CL (1987) has only 70 horsepwer! Does anyone out there have a Chevy Nova with enough power to get up even a small hill without knocking? Is there something wrong with my car, I even use 93 octane gas! (I have consider going to 110 octane if I can find it!) Anyway, what are the best maintenance items to do-it-yourself, and what equipment is needed? Thanks, -Doug (2 car Doug from Wayne,NJ)
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From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr15.160415.8559@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: >I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >e.g. The police couldn't demand that you silently take them to where the >body is buried or where the money is hidden. But they can make you piss in a jar, and possibly provide DNA, semen, and hair samples or to undergo tests for gunpowder residues on your hand. (BTW, that was why the chemical engineer arrested in the WTC explosion thrust his hands into a toilet filled with urine as the cops were breaking down the door -- the nitrogen in the urine would mask any residue from explosives. I found it interesting the news reported his acts, but not his reasons). Somewhere, perhaps a privacy group, they discussed the legal ramifications of using a password like I shot Jimmy Hoffa and his body is in a storage locker in Camden a while back. The impression I got was that real judges would dismiss arguments that this password is self-incrimination as first-year law school sophistry -- the fact that you use a statement for a password has no bearing on the veracity of that phrase. You are not being asked to incrimidate yourself (e.g., "where did you bury the body?"); you are being asked to provide information necessary to execute a legal search warrant. Refusing to provide the password is akin to refusing to provide a key to a storage locker... except that they could always _force_ their way into the locker. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to help them _understand_ what they find, or point out things they overlooked in their search! -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 56 In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: >In article <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>, jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell) > writes... >#>Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need >#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not >#> meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, >#> please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. ># > Exactly my point. There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers. > > If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a > group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook > was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little > girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving) > honked her horn at the car with the boys in it. This is really upsetting > and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's. Doesn't your heart > just go out to that poor mother? > Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and > crime. Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in > dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are. At the same It seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a case of violence by teenagers... For a little perspective: How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Did you read about all the kids at Stanford who spent their spring breaks helping out in inner city areas? What about the hundreds of volunteers ( teenagers and others) who worked to clean up the mess after the Rodney King riots in LA? Have you gone to your local high school play recently? Attended the school orchestra performances? Have you seen how many kids volunteer to pick up trash, plant trees, do walk-a-thons? How many kids have tried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to? How many girl scout cookies have you bought? How many chocolate bars for good causes? The media picks up on all the anomalies, the sensational... What about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at school, get good grades, go to college (or to work) and make a real contribution to our society? All humans are teenagers at some time in their lives! Mother Theresa was a teenager and so was Geoffrey Dahmer. It is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational reporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today! It is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our society and nothing more... rf
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From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Subject: Clipper Chip Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I thought that the Clipper Chip that was posted to t.p.g (sorry, I lost the original post) was a joke. I really did. I didn't believe it for a second. But on the way to work this morning, I heard about it on NPR. This scares me almost as much as the doublespeak emanating from the FBI and BATF in Waco. *** Paul Eric Stoufflet *** Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center *** internet: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu *** All opinions are my own
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 14 In <1993Apr15.170715.29896@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes: |>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower |>the cost and definitely make them safer to use. |I think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol |and coffee). I'm addicted to chocolate myself. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) says: >In article <1qb726$j9d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu< cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >< ><I learned that God loves his children who have never heard of him and has a ><plan for redeeming them too, even those who have died without a knowledge ><of Christ. I learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on ><his death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse. It ><requires faith in Christ proven by following him, by keeping his ><commandments. Such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed. > >So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. Refer to John 14:2. >-- >Tom Albrecht > -- ------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------- --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
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From: SHICKLEY@VM.TEMPLE.EDU Subject: For Sale (sigh) Organization: Temple University Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY) ---- Classic Bike ----- 1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN <6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars, velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded. I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort. Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts, and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will consider reasonable offers. ___________________________________________________________________________ Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D. Director, Neurourology Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology Temple University School of Medicine 3400 North Broad St. Philadelphia, PA 19140 (voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565 INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet ICBM: 39 57 08N 75 09 51W _________________________________________________________________________ w
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From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Level 5? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 13 Nick Haines sez; >(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in >maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: PKR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Patrick Krejcik) Subject: File Server Mac Article-I.D.: pkrmac.PKR-050493101102 Organization: SLAC Lines: 3 I saw once an article about a new line of Macs configured to work more optimally as file servers. Anyone know any more details?
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From: bls101@keating.anu.edu.au (The New, Improved Brian Scearce) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Australian National University Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.126.9 In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.image.processing,sci.anthropology,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.skeptic,sci.med,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Krillean Photography References: <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> Distribution: --text follows this line-- todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly appreciated. In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. There have been a number of scientific papers (in peer-reviewed journals) published about Kirlian photography in the early 1970s. Sorry I can't be more specific but it is a long time since I read them. They would describe what is needed and how to set up the apparatus. These papers demonstrate that the auras obtained by Kirlian photography can be completely explained by the effect of the electric currents used on the moisture in the object being photographed. It has nothing to do with the "energy signature" of organic objects. I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school. I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by first dunking them in water. Barbara -- -- bls101@syseng.anu.edu.au "I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it." - Mae West
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From: msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman) Subject: Cubs behind Marlins? How? Article-I.D.: mnemosyn.1993Apr6.194103.8810 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 74 I've noticed that is has become fashionable lately in rsb to predict the Marlines to finish ahead of the Cubs....how? First Base: Grace vs Destrade...Could Destrade be the second coming of Cecil Fielder? I doubt it. If Destrade performs to the height of expectations, then even, otherwise, edge to Cubs Second Base: Sandberg vs Barberie...No contest. Sandberg will be back May 1. Edge to Cubs...a big edge. Shortstop: Vizcaino vs Weiss...Vizcaino is excellent defensively, but is an automatic out at bat. Weiss isn't much better with the stick. Even. Third Base: Dave Magadan vs Buechelle...Magadan has a higher OBP and is a better hitter. Buechelle has more power and is better defensively (I think) Edge to Florida. Catcher: Santiago vs Wilkins...Wilkins is OK, but Santiago is better. Edge to Marlins Left Field: Conine vs Maldonado...Wow! 4 for 4 yesterday...I know Conine has potential. I watched him play at Omaha the last couple years. Until he actually proves himself, I give Maldonado the edge, however, like at 1B, this is position where Florida might be even or better *if* the player there has a huge year. Center: Scott Pose vs Wilson/May...Edge to May, even if Wilson. Hopefully the Cubs will use may and save Wilson for pinch running and the like. May isn't Ken Griffey Jr, but he will hit .275 with 15 homers if he plays full time. Right: Felix vs Sosa...Felix Jose has occasional power and a bad OBP. So does Sosa, but Sosa also has speed and a good glove. Edge to Cubs Starters: Aquino? Armstrong? Hammond? A lot of fifth starters here. The Cubs won't remind anyone of the Brave staff, but Morgan-Castillo-Guzman-Hibbard is average to OK...better than the Marline. Edge to Cubs Middle Relief: Even. The Cubs have some decent middlemen, and so do the Marlins. Carpenter anf Klink or decent, but so are Assenmacher and McElroy. Closer: A healthy Harvey is a big edge to the Marlins. Meyers is decent, but no Harvey. Of course, the Cubs may have a few more games to save. Look for 30 saves, 5 blown from Meyers, and 25 saves, 3 blown (with a better ERA) for Harvey. Edge Florida. Overall, an edge to Chicago. Neither of these teams will threaten to win anything, of course. e -- msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu GO CUBS!!! "One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
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From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca>, agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes... >In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? > The Command Loss Timer is part of the fault protection scheme of the spacecraft. If the Command Loss Timer ever countdowns to zero, then the spacecraft assumes it has lost communications with Earth and will go through a set of predetermined steps to try to regain contact. The Command Loss Timer is set to 264 hours and reset about once a week during the cruise phase, and is set to a lower value during an encounter phase. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
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Subject: Space FAQ 01/15 - Introduction From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:53:44 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: <intro_730956346@cs.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 310 Archive-name: space/intro Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:10 $ FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON SCI.SPACE/SCI.ASTRO INTRODUCTION This series of linked messages is periodically posted to the Usenet groups sci.space and sci.astro in an attempt to provide good answers to frequently asked questions and other reference material which is worth preserving. If you have corrections or answers to other frequently asked questions that you would like included in this posting, send email to leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech). If you don't want to see the FAQ, add 'Frequently Asked Questions' to your KILL file for this group (if you're not reading this with a newsreader that can kill articles by subject, you're out of luck). The FAQ volume is excessive right now and will hopefully be trimmed down by rewriting and condensing over time. The FAQ postings are available in the Ames SPACE archive in FAQ/faq<#>. Good summaries will be accepted in place of the answers given here. The point of this is to circulate existing information, and avoid rehashing old answers. Better to build on top than start again. Nothing more depressing than rehashing old topics for the 100th time. References are provided because they give more complete information than any short generalization. Questions fall into three basic types: 1) Where do I find some information about space? Try your local public library first. The net is not a good place to ask for general information. Ask INDIVIDUALS (by email) if you must. There are other sources, use them, too. The net is a place for open ended discussion. 2) I have an idea which would improve space flight? Hope you aren't surprised, but 9,999 out of 10,000 have usually been thought of before. Again, contact a direct individual source for evaluation. NASA fields thousands of these each day. 3) Miscellanous queries. These are addressed on a case-by-case basis in the following series of FAQ postings. SUGGESTIONS FOR BETTER NETIQUETTE Read news.announce.newusers if you're on Usenet. Minimize cross references, [Do you REALLY NEED to?] Edit "Subject:" lines, especially if you're taking a tangent. Send mail instead, avoid posting follow ups. (1 mail message worth 100 posts). Internet mail readers: send requests to add/drop to SPACE-REQUEST not SPACE. Read all available articles before posting a follow-up. (Check all references.) Cut down attributed articles (leave only the points you're responding to; remove signatures and headers). Summarize! Put a return address in the body (signature) of your message (mail or article), state your institution, etc. Don't assume the 'reply' function of mailers will work. Use absolute dates. Post in a timely way. Don't post what everyone will get on TV anyway. Some editors and window systems do character count line wrapping: keep lines under 80 characters for those using ASCII terminals (use carriage returns). INDEX TO LINKED POSTINGS I've attempted to break the postings up into related areas. There isn't a keyword index yet; the following lists the major subject areas in each posting. Only those containing astronomy-related material are posted to sci.astro (indicated by '*' following the posting number). # Contents 1* Introduction Suggestions for better netiquette Index to linked postings Notes on addresses, phone numbers, etc. Contributors 2* Network resources Overview Mailing lists Periodically updated information Warning about non-public networks 3* Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. Introduction Viewing Images Online Archives NASA Ames NASA Astrophysics Data System NASA Jet Propulsion Lab (Mission Information and Images) NASA Langley (Technical Reports) NASA Spacelink National Space Science Data Center Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service Starcat Astronomical Databases Astronomy Programs Orbital Element Sets SPACE Digest Landsat & NASA Photos Planetary Maps Cometary Orbits 4* Performing calculations and interpreting data formats Computing spacecraft orbits and trajectories Computing planetary positions Computing crater diameters from Earth-impacting asteroids Map projections and spherical trignometry Performing N-body simulations efficiently Interpreting the FITS image format Sky (Unix ephemeris program) Three-dimensional star/galaxy coordinates 5* References on specific areas Publishers of space/astronomy material Careers in the space industry DC-X single-stage to orbit (SSTO) program How to name a star after a person LLNL "great exploration" Lunar Prospector Lunar science and activities Orbiting Earth satellite histories Spacecraft models Rocket propulsion Spacecraft design Esoteric propulsion schemes (solar sails, lasers, fusion...) Spy satellites Space shuttle computer systems SETI computation (signal processing) Amateur satellies & weather satellites Tides 6* Constants and equations for calculations 7* Astronomical Mnemonics 8 Contacting NASA, ESA, and other space agencies/companies NASA Centers / Arianespace / ESA / NASDA / Soyuzkarta / Space Camp / Space Commerce Corporation / Spacehab / SPOT Image Other commercial space businesses 9 Space shuttle answers, launch schedules, TV coverage Shuttle launchings and landings; schedules and how to see them Why does the shuttle roll just after liftoff? How to receive the NASA TV channel, NASA SELECT Amateur radio frequencies for shuttle missions Solid Rocket Booster fuel composition 10 Planetary probes - Historical Missions US planetary missions Mariner (Venus, Mars, & Mercury flybys and orbiters) Pioneer (Moon, Sun, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn flybys and orbiters) Ranger (Lunar lander and impact missions) Lunar Orbiter (Lunar surface photography) Surveyor (Lunar soft landers) Viking (Mars orbiters and landers) Voyager (Outer planet flybys) Soviet planetary missions Soviet Lunar probes Soviet Venus probes Soviet Mars probes Japanese planetary missions Planetary mission references 11 Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules Cassini Galileo Magellan Mars Observer TOPEX/Poseidon Ulysses Other space science missions Proposed missions 12 Controversial questions What happened to the Saturn V plans Why data from space missions isn't immediately available Risks of nuclear (RTG) power sources for space probes Impact of the space shuttle on the ozone layer How long can a human live unprotected in space How the Challenger astronauts died Using the shuttle beyond Low Earth Orbit The "Face on Mars" 13 Space activist/interest/research groups and space publications Groups Publications Undocumented Groups 14 How to become an astronaut 15 Orbital and Planetary Launch Services NOTES ON ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS, ETC. Unless otherwise specified, telephone numbers, addresses, and so on are for the United States of America. Non-US readers should remember to add the country code for telephone calls, etc. CREDITS Eugene Miya started a series of linked FAQ postings some years ago which inspired (and was largely absorbed into) this set. Peter Yee and Ron Baalke have and continue to spend a lot of their own time setting up the SPACE archives at NASA Ames and forwarding official NASA announcements. Many other people have contributed material to this list in the form of old postings to sci.space and sci.astro which I've edited. Please let me know if corrections need to be made. Contributors I've managed to keep track of are: 0004847546@mcimail.com (Francis Reddy) - map projections ad038@yfn.ysu.edu (Steven Fisk) - publication refs. akerman@bill.phy.queensu.CA (Richard Akerman) - crater diameters alweigel@athena.mit.edu (Lisa Weigel) - SEDS info aoab314@emx.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur) - tides awpaeth@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Alan Wm Paeth) - map projections aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) - Great Exploration baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) - planetary probe schedules bankst@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Timothy Banks) - map projections, variable star analysis archive bern@uni-trier.de (Jochen Bern) - German mnemonic translation brosen@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Bernie Rosen) - Space Camp bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger) - FITS format cew@venera.isi.edu (Craig E. Ward) - space group contact info chapin@cbnewsc.att.com (Tom Chapin) - planetary positions cunnida@tenet.edu (D. Alan Cunningham) - NASA Spacelink cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) - orbital elements datri@convex.com (Anthony Datri) - PDS/VICAR viewing software daver@sjc.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) - orbit formulae dlbres10@pc.usl.edu (Phil Fraering) - propulsion eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) - Saturn V plans, SRBs eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) - introduction, NASA contact info, started FAQ postings french@isu.isunet.edu (Patrick M. French) - space group contact info g@telesoft.com (Gary Morris) - amateur radio info gaetz@cfa.harvard.edu (Terry Gaetz) - N-body calculations, orbital dynamics grandi@noao.edu (Steve Grandi) - planetary positions greer%utd201.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov (Dale M. Greer) - constants henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) - survival in vacuum, astronaut how-to, Challenger disaster, publication refs, DC-X higgins@fnal.bitnet (William Higgins) - RTGs, publishers, shuttle landings, spysats, propulsion, "Face on Mars" hmueller@cssun.tamu.edu (Hal Mueller) - map projections, orbital dynamics jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) - launch services jim@pnet01.cts.com (Jim Bowery) - propulsion, launch services jnhead@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu (James N. Head) - atmospheric scale heights jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu (Jim Scotti) - planetary positions kcarroll@zoo.toronto.edu (Kieran A. 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From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might want to know..... Jason.
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme's?]"] Article-I.D.: pitt.19436 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.181958.3224@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: > >I shouldn't have to be posting here. Physicians should know the Lyme >literature beyond Steere & co's denial merry-go-round. Patients >should get correctly diagnosed and treated. > Why do you think Steere is doing this? Isn't he acting in good faith? After all, as the "discoverer" of Lyme for all intents and purposes, the more famous Lyme gets, the more famous Steere gets. I don't see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. There is a lot of money involved. >I'm a computer engineer, not a doctor (,Jim). I was building a >computer manufacturing company when I got Lyme. I lost several >years of my life to near-total disability; partially as a result, >the company failed, taking with it over 150 jobs, my savings, >and everything I'd worked for for years. I'm one of the "lucky" >ones in that I found a physician through the Lyme foundation >and now can work almost full-time, although I have persistent >infection and still suffer a variety of sypmtoms. And now >I try to follow the Lyme literature. > Well, it is tragic what has happened to you, but it doesn't necessarily make you the most objective source of information about it. If your whole life is focussed around this, you may be too emotionally involved to be advising other people who may or may not have Lyme. Certainly advocacy of more research on Lyme would not be out of order, though, and people like you can be very effective there. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Distribution: world From: Robert_N._Ward@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Great deal! Lines: 10 For those of you who have TI ps35 laser printers, if you want an envelope feeder, they are now on sale, direct from TI for the unbelievable price of $45! Call 1-800-847-2787. Same for extra paper trays. They have too many gray ones and want to move them out. Strange but true. --The Bobmeister **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.