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9200 | From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Lines: 15
Hi Netters,
I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
Can you please offer some recommendations?
I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it.
Thanks
(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need)
Bob Carpenter
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9201 | From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
> More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else.
There are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of both
atheists AND theists. I'm sure Bobby can list quite a few for the atheist
side but fails to recognize that the theists are equally proficient at
genocide. Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on history, somone here would like
to give a list of wars caused/led by theists? I can think of a few (Hitler
claimed to be a Christian for example) but a more complete list would
probably be more effective in showing Bobby just how absurd his statement
is.
> Peace,
On a side note, I notice you always sign your posts "Peace". Perhaps you
should take your own advice and leave the atheists in peace with their
beliefs?
> Bobby Mozumder
Nanci
.........................................................................
If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me
email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):
Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others.
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9202 | Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U37955@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Internal leak in carburetor
Lines: 9
Hi,
My friend's 1983 Toyota Tercel accelerates by itself without using
the gas peddel. The repairman said it has a internal leak of air in
the carburetor and needs a new carburetor (costs $650). She likes
to know if it is possible to fix the problem without replacing
the whole carburetor.
Thank you.
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9203 | From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)
Subject: Re: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip
Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 59
In article <montC5qs9A.3wB@netcom.com> mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) writes:
>
>I bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their
>dtmf decoder circuit. But it's not working...
>
>If anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure
>appreciated it.
I presume it is the M-8870 from Teltone Corporation.
Pin Description
1 + input
2 - input
3 GS (gain select through use of feed back resistor)
4 Vref (reference voltage OUTPUT, about Vdd/2)
5 connect to Vss
6 connect to Vss
7 osc1 clock input
8 osc2 clock output (connect crystal across pins 7 and 8)
9 Vss
10 OE output enable (logic high allows data output)
11 Q1 data output
12 Q2 data output
13 Q3 data output
14 Q4 data output
15 StD Delayed Steering Output (any other company would call this 'data valid'.)
16 ESt Early Steering output, sort of like "I'm starting to hear a tone".
17 St/GT Steering input/guard time output
18 Vdd
Power Supply : 4.75V min., 5.25V max.
Current : 3.0mA Typ, 7.0mA max.
BUT.......
You really should have bought the Motorola part from me. :-)
(I still have them in stock)
John
If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy
>of the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :)
>
>Please email me if you can help.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>--
>Mont Pierce
>
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9204 | From: e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein)
Subject: Re: cults (who keeps them going ?)
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:
>Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco
>should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so.
>Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), "don't the
>mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day
>adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton
>condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"
A good point. What helps to keep such things going is the public
attitude that one should have "faith""; that some authority from
on high should not be subjected to mere reason. Couple this with a
variety of personality quirks, mojor and minor mental illnesses, and
ego of would-be leaders, and you get all the variety of cults and
religions that people subscribe to.
.
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9205 | From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Accident report
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Nntp-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Lines: 36
In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes...
>In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes:
>--
>-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up
>-->to the truck.
>--
>--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely.
>--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all.
>--And, sometimes the signals aren't working. Sometimes they get left on.
>
> The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear-
>lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only
>reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once -
>some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING
>to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though)
>
> However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got
>caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once
>I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but
>it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too
>closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split
>second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I
>know),
>
>Owen.
What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear
indicators. You'd see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he
stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody
_red_ rear indicators?" This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's
braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes
out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_
rear indicator.
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484
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9206 | From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Fluke For Sale (was DMM Advice Needed)
Keywords: Fluke 8062A $115
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1993Apr17.202510.1992
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Lines: 13
I have a spare Fluke 8062A. This is a true RMS digital meter with
4.5 digit display. It's in "average" condition (been used) but
works fine - which is what Fluke's are all about. BTW - according
to the fellow who designed these meters, they can be converted to 8060A
function by clipping a jumper, and adding the 2 extra switches..
Like I said $115 seems fair - these sell for $300+ new.
--
Alan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work
al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
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9207 | From: qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Charlie Kuehmann)
Subject: Trouble w/ VGA displays
Nntp-Posting-Host: ironman.ms.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University
Lines: 17
I'm currently having trouble connecting my PB to a true blue (IBM Model
1513) VGA monitor. The display is bearly readable but all the details are
seperated into yellow and red colors. ie. a window will have two images one
in yellow and a ghost image in red. The background is also a little
greenish. I read some time ago, before I ever thought I would hook my mac
up to a VGA screen, about an incompatability with some VGA monitors due to
the sync on green signal. Does this sound like it could be the same demon?
I also read that there are both hardware (putting a diode on the green
signal?) solution and a software solution to this problem. I don't the
details does somebody have them the can e-mail to me or post them? I
checked all the FAQ's for this and didn't find anything about it. Did I
miss it somewhere? This sure seems that it would be a good thing to have
in one. Thanks for any replys.
Charles Kuehmann
Northwestern University
Steel Research Group
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9208 | From: cgschot@cs.ruu.nl (Gerco Schot)
Subject: Ray Tracing Pictures
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Lines: 23
For those who are interested in Ray Traced pictures, there is a nice example
on alt.binaries.pictures.misc. The file is called Poolball.gif. It shows a
pooltable with... YES! ... poolballs!
Resolution: 1024x768, colours: 256 (only).
The TGA (24 bit) version is also available, but a bit big (2.4Mb) to post.
The picture is created with POV-ray.
Enjoy!
_Gerco_
__cgschot@cs.ruu.nl__
--
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/ \
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/_ Gerco Schot (cgschot@cs.ruu.nl) _\
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9209 | From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 18
Clayton Cramer writes:
#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
#male population.
Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing
to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more
willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly
promiscious)?
I didn't think that you did.
--
-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA
Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu
UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w
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9210 | From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 12
James Felder (spbach@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you
: to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive
: just look at Koresh that you yourself cite.
This is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian
account of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, "Face it
folks, it's just silly ...". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of
your incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy?
Bill
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9211 | From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)
Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?
Organization: FL
Lines: 22
>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged
>couple become "married" in God's eyes?
I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-)
Nobody has, so I will...
Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse...
At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said
whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and
whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven.
Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be
done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest,
the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments
are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope
(not sure if the Pope delegates this function).
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
The Lost Los Angelino |
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9212 | From: pec2@Isis.MsState.Edu (Paul E. Carroll)
Subject: ** DO NOT ROTATE INTERRUPTER ** WOOPS!! HELP!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Lines: 22
AAAHHHH!!!!! Please someone tell me what I have done!!!
My 40 Meg miniscribe (8450AT) has a big sticker on the side that says
***DO NOT ROTATE INTERRUPTER** ---> (big knob here)
A big knob sticking off the side of the drive is pretty hard NOT to turn
when removing the drive!
I turned it. Now the drive won't spin up! Even with no data or controller
cables plugged in.. just power... it won't spin up!!
Please help!
Thanks
--
-Paul Carroll
-(pec2@Ra.MsState.Edu) (pec2@ERC.MsState.Edu)
-NSF Engineering Research Center for Computational Field Simulation
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9213 | From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
Lines: 14
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes:
> Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why
> wouldn't it happen?
Not enough magtape.
Seriously, do you have any idea how much traffic flows through the US phone
system in a single day?
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
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9214 | From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Subject: 8 cards on a 6 card motherboard?
Organization: Temple University
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Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a
way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit)
to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to
get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out!
I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns
one slot into three. I don't mind if it turns it into 8-bit slots,
as I can put my I/O card, MIDI card, and Soundblaster card there.
My other cards are 16 bit (IDE/Floppy, SVGA, modem).
If there is such an expander, does that screw up performance of
everything else? I'd hate to buy a new motherboard! :-(
--
Carl Christensen /~~\_/~\ ,,, Dept. of Computer Science
christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu | #=#==========# | Temple University
"Curiouser and curiouser!" - LC \__/~\_/ ``` Philadelphia, PA USA
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9215 | From: cobust@seagoon.ee.sun.ac.za (Cobus Theunissen)
Subject: Wide band Analog time delay
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 6
Hi there,
I am looking for a wide band analog time delay (not phase delay)
variable from 200 microseconds to 2 milliseconds.
Please reply via email to rrc@firga.sun.ac.za
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9216 | From: rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker)
Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding
Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu
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Followup-To:
Lines: 13
In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
>If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT
>"abortion coverage" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED
>to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction
>coverage if ONE doesn't WANT that kind of coverage).
You appear to be stunningly ignorant of the underlying concept of health
insurance.
>dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
-rocker
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9217 | From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Lines: 17
ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons):
> > The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine
> > players each. Let's keep it that way.
niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent):
> Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb
> argument.
REALLY??? My little mind be boggled! I don't have a 1993 Rule Book
yet, so David, would you please post the new wording of Rule 1.01 -- I
am MIGHTILY curious! Much thanks.
Wayne Hathaway domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
Ultra Network Technologies uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne
101 Daggett Drive phone: 408-922-0100 x132
San Jose, CA 95134 FAX: 408-433-9287
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9218 | From: Michelle Zumbo <mz10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DARKROOM SUPPLIES/ENLARGER
Organization: Athletics and Physical Education, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu
FOR SALE:
* Besler 23C II Enlarger
(including filters & negative carriers)
* Darkroom supplies
(containers, trays, thermometer, beakers,
paper focuser, etc...I also have paper &
chemicals, but I think these 2 are past
expiration date)
Everything is in great working condition. I bought it
about a year ago and it has served its purpose well.
It hasn't been used it in a few months because I don't
have the time or money to keep up with it and its just
sitting in my bathroom taking up space I'd like to use.
So, I'd like to sell it to someone who would use it
rather than it collect dust in my bathroom.
If you are interested in the whole package, I will sell
everything (including shipping) for $300. If you have
something else in mind, I'm open to suggestions.
Please reply to this account.
Thank you...
Michelle
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9219 | From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia)
Subject: 486DX-50 vs. 486DX2-50 ?
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia)
Lines: 30
AY> In many recent advertisements I have seen both "486DX-50" and "486DX
AY>based systems. Does the first really exists and does it imply that all
AY>circuitry on the motherboard with it works at that speed, as opposite
AY>latter, where only the internals of the CPU are working at 50MHz?
AY>
AY> Many thanx in advance!
AY>
AY>Andrew.
Andrew, yes there is a DX and DX2 version of the 50MHz 486. If you are
considering buying one or the other, definitely go for the DX with a nice
size external cache! The performance is far greater.
The DX2 only has the internal 8k cache to work with at 50MHz, while the DX
has a potentially much larger cache to work at 50MHz with. Neither
systems could actually run a program out of main memory, since DRAM is
still too slow for that high of bus speed ( 60ns = 16.66MHz < 50MHz ).
-rdd
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9220 | From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
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In <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
>(Deletion)
>>>>Of course people say what they think to be the religion, and that this
>>>>is not exactly the same coming from different people within the
>>>>religion. There is nothing with there existing different perspectives
>>>>within the religion -- perhaps one can say that they tend to converge on
>>>>the truth.
>>
>>>My point is that they are doing a lot of harm on the way in the meantime.
>>>
>>>And that they converge is counterfactual, religions appear to split and
>>>diverge. Even when there might be a 'True Religion' at the core, the layers
>>>above determine what happens in practise, and they are quite inhumane
>>>usually.
>>>
>
>What you post then is supposed to be an answer, but I don't see what is has
>got to do with what I say.
>
>I will repeat it. Religions as are harm people. And religions don't
>converge, they split. Giving more to disagree upon. And there is a lot
>of disagreement to whom one should be tolerant or if one should be
>tolerant at all.
Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead
to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies?
I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but
just points out the weaknesses of human nature.
>(Big deletion)
>>(2) Do women have souls in Islam?
>>
>>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have
>>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by
>>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras
>>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be
>>confusing Christian history with Islamic history?
>
>Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish
>Caliphate.
I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me.
>>Anyhow, that women are the spiritual equals of men can be clearly shown
>>from many verses of the Qur'an. For example, the Qur'an says:
>>
>>"For Muslim men and women, --
>>for believing men and women,
>>for devout men and women,
>>for true men and women,
>>for men and women who are patient and constant,
>>for men and women who humble themselves,
>>for men and women who give in charity,
>>for men and women who fast (and deny themselves),
>>for men and women who guard their chastity,
>>and for men and women who engage much in God's praise --
>>For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward."
>>
>>[Qur'an 33:35, Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation]
>>
>>There are other quotes too, but I think the above quote shows that men
>>and women are spiritual equals (and thus, that women have souls just as
>>men do) very clearly.
>>
>
>No, it does not. It implies that they have souls, but it does not say they
>have souls. And it is not given that the quote above is given a high
>priority in all interpretations.
One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach
to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it
that women and men are spiritual equals.
I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have
souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be
forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the
after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the
part saying "For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward"
says they have souls.
(If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then
I have no idea _what_ a soul is.)
As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority
in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give
all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to
Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact,
denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be
considered a disbeliever in Islam.
>Quite similar to you other post, even when the Quran does not encourage
>slavery, it is not justified to say that iit forbids or puts an end to
>slavery. It is a non sequitur.
Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and
thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the
Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly
answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings
it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals
of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that
since women can clearly be "forgiven" and "rewarded" they _must_ have
souls (from the above verse).
Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than
try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this
passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on
ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations
fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these
interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can
ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try
to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but
provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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9221 | From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Level 5?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: sci
Lines: 33
In <C5sy4s.4x2.1@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes:
>Nick Haines sez;
>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in
>>maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case).
>Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never
>heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in?
SEI Level 5 (the highest level -- the SEI stands for Software
Engineering Institute). I'm not sure, but I believe that this rating
only applies to the flight software. Also keep in mind that it was
*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather
through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the
Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and
did the whole process by hand. I would not consider receiving a 'Warning'
status on systems which are not yet in use would detract much (if
anything) from such a rating -- I'll have to get the latest copy of
the guidelines to make sure (they just issued new ones, I think).
Also keep in mind that the SEI levels are concerned primarily with
control of the software process; the assumption is that a
well controlled process will produce good software. Also keep in mind
that SEI Level 5 is DAMNED HARD. Most software in this country is
produced by 'engineering practicies' that only rate an SEI Level 1 (if
that).
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
|
9222 | From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University
Lines: 101
In article <SHAIG.93Apr15220200@composer.think.com>, shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes:
|> [snip]
|> imagine ???? It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like
|> to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer
|> in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc.....
|>
|> I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are "terrorist
|> camps". There are however some which come very close to serving that
|> purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way
|> prior to the invasion.
The village I described was actually the closest I could come to
describing mine. I agree there may be other villages where the civilian
population has deserted because it is too close to Israeli lines and
thus gets bombed more often. In such villages often the only remaining
inhabitants are guerillas and some elderly who have nowhere else to go.
But for the most part the typical South Lebanon village is more like
mine. One where civilians and guerillas live together. They are
often inhabiting the same house. Many families are large, some
have members of the families involved in Hizollah, most others
are not. That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is
not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla
tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with
the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that
use women and children as shields, but because that is the only
way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army.
|> Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you
|> describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area,
|> backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah
|> and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be.
Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though
Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance
operation and better motivated by religious conviction.
As to retaliation,
|> while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate
|> bombing, which would have produced major casualties.
It may be a mixture of what we both say. Sometimes Israel chooses
its targets carefully. At other times it just sends its pilots on
sorties aimed at a town in general since it only knows that the
attackers came from that specific village but has no further
intelligence. On several occasions Israel retalliated against
civilian refugee camps, even in North Lebanon, just to show
that it will not sit idly after its soldiers have been attacked.
Most of the time it directs the SLA to do the dirty work and
indiscriminately shell some Lebanese villages on the other side.
I have experienced this shelling myself on several occasions,
this is why the SLA militia is sometimes even more despised than
Israeli troops.
|
|> Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if
|> the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police
|> it and prevent further attacks.
I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still
contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's
security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim
that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any
further attacks on Northern Israel.
|> There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese
|> goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such
|> circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is
|> capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did
|> in all other parts of Lebanon.
|>
|> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another
|> Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary.
Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better.
I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would
be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for
Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be
involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the
negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants
to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities
along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations
back in question.
|> I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing
|> CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say.
|>
|> No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation.
I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable.
|> --
|> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
|> OS Software Engineer |
|> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
|> Cambridge, MA |
Basil
|
9223 | From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls)
Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.
Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
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Lines: 15
In <C5w5zJ.HHq@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Greg Hennessy writes:
>In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>#The better question should be.
>#Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding
>#to support these kind of ongoing science missions.
>
>Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will
>changing them to a seperate agency help anything?
>
How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is
able to accept donations to keep craft operational.
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Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi
nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici
nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni
|
9224 | From: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Keywords: Dan Bissell
Reply-To: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright)
Organization: Nottingham University
Lines: 28
In article <healta.145.734928689@saturn.wwc.edu>, healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes:
|> I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you'
|> ve given me.
|>
|> Tammy
If a person gives a well-balanced reasoned argument, Tammy, then all are
happy to discuss it with him. If he makes astounding claims, which are not
backed up with any evidence then he must be expected to substantiate them.
If the original author had said that everything was his own opinion and not
supportable then people would have simply ignored him. He did not. He
claimed many things and his logic was seriously flawed. His argument was for
christianity in an effort to try to convince atheists like myself to believe
him and his message. I for one will not take things as read. If you told me
that pink fluffy elephants did the dance of the sugar plum fairy on the dark
side of Jupiter then I would demand evidence!
Adda
--
+-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Adda Wainwright | Does dim atal y llanw! 8o) |
| eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk | 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! |
+-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
|
9225 | From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details
Organization: IR
Lines: 15
Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is
a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a
new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three
keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole
knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as
E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it.
The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when
someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M
the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C.
The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed
from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key
escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted?
---Dan
|
9226 | From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Subject: Re: Donating organs
Article-I.D.: blue.8016
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute
Lines: 31
In article <19393@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1993Mar25.161109.13101@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes:
>
>>there been anything recent in "Transplant Proceedings" or somesuch, on
>>xenografts? How about liver section transplants from living donors?
>>
>
>I'm sure the Pittsburgh group has published the baboon work, but I
>don't know where. In Chicago they were doing lobe transplants from
>living donors, and I'm sure they've published.
The case report of the first xenotransplant was published in Lancet 1993; 341:65-71.
I can send you a reprint if you are interested.
There was another paper, sort of a tour of the horizon, written by Starzl and
published in the Resident's Edition of the Annals of Surgery (vol 216, October 1992).
It's in the Surgical Resident's Newsletter section, so you won't find it in the regular
issue of the Annals. I don't have any reprints of that one.
A paper has been accepted for publication by Immunology Today, though I'm not sure
when it's coming out, describing our experience with the two xenografts done to date.
As for segmental liver transplants from living related donors I must confess to a total
ignorance of that literature. We are philosophically opposed to those, and I don't keep
up with that particular field.
=====================================================
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
|
9227 | From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Metric vs English
Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr6.131900.8407
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Lines: 31
In <1993Apr5.195215.16833@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Keith Mancus (mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>> Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) writes:
>> > SI neatly separates the concepts of "mass", "force" and "weight"
>> > which have gotten horribly tangled up in the US system.
>>
>> This is not a problem with English units. A pound is defined to
>> be a unit of force, period. There is a perfectly good unit called
>> the slug, which is the mass of an object weighing 32.2 lbs at sea level.
>> (g = 32.2 ft/sec^2, of course.)
>>
>American Military English units, perhaps. Us real English types were once
>taught that a pound is mass and a poundal is force (being that force that
>causes 1 pound to accelerate at 1 ft.s-2). We had a rare olde tyme doing
>our exams in those units and metric as well.
American, perhaps, but nothing military about it. I learned (mostly)
slugs when we talked English units in high school physics and while
the teacher was an ex-Navy fighter jock the book certainly wasn't
produced by the military.
[Poundals were just too flinking small and made the math come out
funny; sort of the same reason proponents of SI give for using that.]
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
|
9228 | From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Subject: 16 Apr 93 God's Promise in Psalm 32:8
Organization: University at Buffalo
Lines: 6
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I will instruct thee and teach thee
in the way which thou shalt go:
I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psalm 32:8
|
9229 | From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Subject: 18 Apr 93 God's Promise in Philippians 4:9
Organization: University at Buffalo
Lines: 8
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Those things,
which ye have both learned, and received,
and heard, and seen in me,
do:
and the God of peace shall be with you.
Philippians 4:9
|
9230 | From: Patrick Walker <F1HH@UNB.CA>
Subject: They guy who bad-mouthed Ulf...
Lines: 16
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Ditto...
If we allow people like him to continue to do what he does, it's a
shame. People say that cheap shots and drawing penalties by fake-
ing is part of the game, I say "Bullsh-t!". If he ever tried some
like that on a Yzerman, he'd would have to deal with Probert now
wouldn't he? What Ulf does isn't even retaliatory! There's now
way one could justify what he does and if they do they're fools.
/----\==========/ Patrick Walker
/ /--\ =========/ University of New Brunswick
I I()I ======/ Canada
\ \--/ / Detroit Fan Extraordinaire.
\----/
|
9231 | From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Russian Operation of US Space Missions.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 10
I know people hate it when someone says somethings like "there was an article
about that somewhere a while ago" but I'm going to say it anyway. I read an
article on this subject, almost certainly in Space News, and something like
six months ago. If anyone is really interested in the subject I can probably
hunt it down given enough motivation.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes
seront capable de le realiser"
-Jules Verne
|
9232 | From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Ozone GIFs Available
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Lines: 90
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: Ozone, UARS, JPL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
==========================
OZONE GIF IMAGES
April 15, 1993
==========================
Two GIF images of the ozone maps over the northern and southern
hemispheres are now available at the JPL Info public access site. These maps
were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere
Research Satellite (UARS), and are courtesy of the Public Information Office
at JPL. Note that the images are in GIF89a format, so make sure your display
software supports this format (as opposed to the older GIF87a format). The
caption files accompanying the images are appended at the end of this message,
as well as being embedded in the images. The images are available by dialup
modem at +1 (818) 354-1333, up to 9600 bps, parameters N-8-1, or by using
anonymous ftp to:
ftp: pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2)
user: anonymous
cd: news (will be moved to the images directory in 30 days)
files: ozone93a.gif - Northern hemisphere
ozone93b.gif - Southern hemisphere
Also, photographic prints of these images can be ordered from Newell Color
Lab listed below. Refer to the P number associated with the images when
ordering.
Newell Color Lab
221 N. Westmoreland Avenue
Los Angeles CA 90064
Telephone: (213) 380-2980
FAX: (213) 739-6984
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PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
PHOTO P-42210
April 14, 1993
This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide and ozone over Earth's
northern hemisphere in February 1992 and 1993. These maps were
produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper
Atmosphere Research Satellite. The chlorine monoxide (ClO) maps
(left) are for a layer about 20 kilometers (66,000 feet) above
the Earth's surface on February 17, 1992 (above) and 1993
(below). The ozone maps show the total amount above an altitude
of about 12 kilometers (41,000 feet) averaged over the period
from February 15 to March 6 for the two years. The Microwave
Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on the
Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research
Satellite, launched in September 1991.
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PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
PHOTO CAPTION P-42211
April 14, 1993
This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide (ClO) and the Antarctic
ozone hole. These maps, produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder
aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, show the amount
of chlorine monoxide (left) and ozone (right) in the stratosphere
at altitudes above 20 kilometers (66,000 feet). Very small
abundances of ozone appear where there are large abundances of
chlorine monoxide, the dominant form of chlorine that destroys
ozone. Data from September 21, 1991 (top) are compared with
those from September 20, 1992 (bottom). The Microwave Limb
Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on Goddard
Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite
launched September 12, 1991.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation
| instead.
|
9233 | Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death
From: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 30
> Brad Hernlem writes...
> >
> >Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every
> >Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral
> >bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli
> >government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.
> >
> >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
To which Mark Ira Kaufman responds:
>
> Your delight in the death of human beings says more about you
> than anything that I could say.
Mark,
Were you one of the millions of Americans cheering the slaughter of Iraqi
civilians by US forces in 1991? Your comment could also apply to all of
them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being,
including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department)
Peace.
-marc
--
______________________________________________________________________________
Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with
both eyes.
My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions.
______________________________________________________________________________
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9234 | From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote:
: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close
: one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn
: signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and
: starts to pass me on the RIGHT. This has happened to me twice before. the
I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it.
On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are
3 lanes in my direction. One for left turns, one for straight through, and
one for right turns. All clearly marked. Plus there is a clearly marked
bicycle lane. I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at
the stop line. Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and
when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike
lane and is trying to pass me on the right. GRRR.
I always do a head check on bike lanes. Not always for bicycles. . .
--
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* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *
*******************************************************************************
|
9235 | From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.
Organization: sgi
Lines: 36
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
|> In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
|> >|>Er, Jon, what Ken said was:
|> >|>
|> >|> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately,
|> >|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >|> most Jews did not survive.
|> >|>
|> >|>That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi.
|> >
[my previous posting deleted]
|>
|> Yes, yes. This is a perfectly fine rant, and I agree with it completely.
|> But what does it have to do with anything? The issue at hand here
|> is whether or not Ken accused the fellow from Germany of being a
|> Nazi. I grant that he did not explicity make this accusation, but
|> he came pretty damn close. He is certainly accusing the guy of
|> sympathizing with those who would like to exterminate the Jews, and
|> that's good enough for me.
The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and
Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany.
That's right. There have been. There have also been people who
were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere
without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the
street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly
acceptable.
Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why
don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand?
jon.
|
9236 | From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com
...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity
poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become
immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their
demands known.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Mark Barnes, System Engineer | <insert standard disclaimers here>
SunSoft |
Corporate Technical Escalations | I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA | not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM |
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9237 | From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
In-Reply-To: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu's message of 15 Apr 93 11: 17:13 -0600
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp
<1993Apr15.111713.4726@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
Lines: 18
a> In article <1qi156INNf9n@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, tcbruno@athena.mit.edu (Tom Bruno) writes:
>
..stuff deleted...
>
> Which brings me to the point of my posting. How many people out there have
> been around alt.atheism since 1990? I've done my damnedest to stay on top of
...more stuff deleted...
Hmm, USENET got it's collective hooks into me around 1987 or so right after I
switched to engineering. I'd say I started reading alt.atheism around 1988-89.
I've probably not posted more than 50 messages in the time since then though.
I'll never understand how people can find the time to write so much. I
can barely keep up as it is.
--
Ed McCreary ,__o
edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)
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9238 | From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Organization: Little to None
Lines: 20
>>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth
>>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating?
>
>[From Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>, posted with permission - Carl]
>
>Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and
>voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests.
I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that
administering "truth serum" would be ruled a violation of your right
not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference?
Both drawing blood and injecting "truth serum" incapacitate you for
a while, but do no permanent damage. Is it simply that we have come to
view one as acceptable, while the other is viewed as a fundamental
violation of one's rights? If this is the case, how do we expand the
protections of the 5th amendment to incorporate new technologies without
the results being a hodgepodge of different judges personal opinions?
--
Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards:
614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from.
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9239 | From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu
Subject: Need help with WordPerfect for Windows...
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA
Lines: 19
I have two questions:
1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows.
When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text
disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second
line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not
know how to correct it.
2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go?
E-mail prefered...
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9240 | From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Goodbye, but not forever
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Lines: 46
Praise God! I'm writing everyone to inform you that I have been
accepted to the Doctor of Psychology program at Fuller Theological
Seminary in Pasadena, CA. I've been working long and hard to try to
get in there and have said many hours of prayer. I'm very excited for
this opportunity, but also very nervous about it.
I'd appreciate the prayers of the readers of this group for my preparation
for school this summer and for my career as a graduate student. I'd also
appreciate any information any of the readers of this group might have
about Fuller, Pasadena, or California in general, like good places to
have fun, good churches to check out, or anything else that might be
good for me to know. Also, if anyone knows of any foundations that
might have funding or scholarship money available, please let me know!
Of course, if you wish to make a personal contribution.....:)
The contract for my current job is over at the end of April. I'll be
taking a couple classes at UT this summer and then I'll be moving to
Pasadena. Hopefully, I'll be able to get net.access next fall, although
Fuller doesn't have it itself.
I've enjoyed the interesting discussions and I commend everyone for their
earnest search to please God. Thanks to our moderator for providing
such a wonderful service and in doing a great job of running this news
group.
May God bless you all. Vaya con Dios, mi amigas y amigos.
Paul
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9241 | From: sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sarah Anne Brundage)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
Article-I.D.: oregon.21APR199316170714
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
>I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school.
>I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by
>first dunking them in water.
>
I know this is a little weird, but I know that World magazine (you know,
National Geo. for children) did a very simple and concise article on Kirlian
photography. They had some neat pictures, too. A friend of mine's mother had
a book on Kirlian photography, only it's photographs took a radiologist to
interpret. They (World magazine) warned us all that it was very dangerous,
probably to stop curious children from experimenting with it. Mind you, this
was 10 years ago, at least. (And boy, does that say something about my age)
Sarah Brundage
sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu
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9242 | From: tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr16.194316.25522
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University
Lines: 48
In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes:
>
>>>In article <13APR199308003715@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>>>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?
>>>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before
>>>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are
>>>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?
>>>>
>>>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least
>>>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the
>>>>"Chinese restaurant syndrome" because Chinese cuisine has
>>>>always used it.
>>
>>So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but
>>no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at
>>work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study
>>using double-blind trials?
>
>Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Maybe you missed
>it amidst the flurry of responses? Yet again, the use of this
>newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters
>they have substantial knowledge of.
>
>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a
>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on
>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an
>excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate
>is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain
>(humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown
>off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in
>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts
>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be
>encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food,
>packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your
>blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these
>compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects.
>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his*
>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute.
>
> --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca
In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through
blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not. In normal condition, the concentration of glutamate in the cerebrospinal fluid is about
2 uM that is high enough to activate one type of glutamate receptor-the NMDA
receptor. But the question is Neuron and glial cell in the brain have a lots of transport to get glutamate into Neuron or glial. So no one know exact concentration of glutamate is around neurons.
Glutamate is most important neurotransmitter in the central nervous system. It is involved in not only in daily life like the controling of movement, it is alsoinvolved in develpoment, memory and learn (it is involved in Logn-term potentialtion that be thought is the basis of learning).
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9243 | From: abaum@armltd.uucp (Allen Baum)
Subject: Re: 80-bit keyseach machine
Organization: Advanced RISC Machines Ltd
Lines: 13
jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:
(regarding NSA monitoring of US military code traffic)
>[BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case
>shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.]
On the contrary- The Walker spy case is one where the KGB was
given keys (as I recall)
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Allen J. Baum Apple Computer baum@apple.com, abaum@armltd.co.uk
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9244 | Organization: Penn State University
From: <JER114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: scanned grey to color equations?
Lines: 7
A while back someone had several equations which could be used for changing 3 f
iltered grey scale images into one true color image. This is possible because
it's the same theory used by most color scanners. I am not looking for the obv
ious solution which is to buy a color scanner but what I do need is those equat
ions becasue I am starting to write software which will automate the conversion
process. I would really appreciate it if someone would repost the 3 equations
/3 unknowns. Thanks for the help!!!
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9245 | From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor)
Subject: Holes: practical questions, was - Philosophical Question
Summary: How do we preferentially amplify holes instead of electrons?
Keywords: holes electrons semi-conductors mobility
Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org
Organization: 4-L Laboratories
Expires: Sun, 9 May 1993 06:00:00 GMT
Lines: 48
In article <12426@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
>[...]
>I agree. I come at this from nuclear physics, where one often discusses
>particle-hole excitations and certain reactions have the effect of
>applying an annihilation operator and creating a hole, and it is a
>subtle question. The longer one works with them, the more real they
>become. There are also quasi-particles, which raise the same sort
>of question about how "real" the entity is. The phenomenon is most
>certainly a real one.
OK, I've asked this before, and with a new thread on these lines, I
ask this again:
1: If a large hole current is run thru a resistor, will there be
I^2 * R cooling instead of heating?
2: Can anyone design an amplifier that preferentially amplifies
hole currents over normal electron currents?
3: what semiconductor materials have the highest ratio of
hole mobility to electron mobility? (please quote actual
test samples rather than estimates based on theory. Also,
don't be limited to semiconductors: consider also insulators,
resistors, dielectrics, piezo-electrics, conductors,
magnets (metal, ceramic), magnetostrictives, etc).
NOTES:
to summarize, this thread has so far stated that the only area
where holes are not detectable is the vacuum. That is, hole
particles only exist in the presence of matter.
Previous threads have stated that holes only exist in certain
semi-conductors. The question that naturally arises is if
the hole currents inside a semi-conductor vanish at the point
where the semiconductor is joined to a conductor (say, copper).
I don't want a theoretical discussion here about whether
holes could exist inside metal conductors, rather I ask for
an experimental discussion on how to amplify and detect such
currents *if* they exist.
Also note that I have cross-posted this to sci.electronics
since this is now becoming an electronic discussion.
Thanx,
Eric.
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ET "A Force of Nature"
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9246 | From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields)
Subject: SSPX schism ?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Lines: 78
Hi All
Hope you all had a Blessed Easter. I have a document which I believe
refutes the notion that the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) is in
schism, or that there has been any legitimate excommunication. If
anyone is interested in reading the truth about this matter please
email me and I'll send them the document via email. Its 26 pages long,
so I wont be posting it on the news group.
Its titled
NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED
This article was originally an English translation, by the
Society of Saint Pius X in Ireland, from the French Journal
'Courrier de Rome'. The French article, in its turn, was a
translation from the Italian of the Roman Newsletter 'Si Si No
No'.
This booklet contains the transcription, with some minor editing,
of the Irish article, and was transcribed and produced by John
Clay, Townsville, Queensland, Australia.
(There is no copyright attached. Simon Shields)
CONTENTS
NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED.......................1
CATHOLICS ON THE RACK.......................................1
THE CHOICE OF THE 'SENSUS FIDEI'............................3
AMBIGUITY...................................................4
THE CHURCH IS NOT BICEPHALOUS (TWO-HEADED)..................6
THE PERSON AND THE FUNCTION OF THE POPE.....................6
UNITY OF FAITH AND UNITY OF COMMUNION.......................8
THE CRITERIA OF CHOICE.....................................10
ECUMENISM - AN ATTACK ON THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH...........10
THE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION WITHIN THE CHURCH..............11
EXTRAORDINARY DUTIES OF LAY PEOPLE.........................12
DUTIES AND POWERS OF BISHOPS...............................14
FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER DUTIES......................14
FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER POWER.......................14
THE POWER AND THE DUTY OF THE PAPACY.......................15
THE ELECTION OF BISHOPS....................................15
STATE AND RIGHT OF NECESSITY...............................16
1. THERE IS IN THE CHURCH A REAL STATE OF NECESSITY........17
FOR SOULS..................................................18
FOR SEMINARIANS............................................18
2. ALL THE ORDINARY MEANS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED..............19
3. THE ACT ITSELF IS NOT INTRINSICALLY EVIL AND THERE RESUL..........21
4. IN THE LIMITS OF EFFECTIVE REQUIREMENTS.................22
5. THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IS NOT PUT INTO QUESTION......23
THE EXCOMMUNICATION........................................24
CONCLUSION.................................................25
BIBLIOGRAPHY...............................................26-31
God Bless ye all,
An Irish Fairwell
may the road rise to meet you
may the wind be always at your back
may the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rains fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of his hand.
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9247 | From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket)
Subject: NHL Final point standings
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: rec.sport.hockey
Lines: 694
Individual leaders by total points (Final standings)
NOTE: Games played and points per games not accurate !!
Player Team GP G A Pts ppg Prj PIM +/-
M.Lemieux PIT 59 69 91 160 2.71 160 38 53
LaFontaine BUF 82 53 95 148 1.80 148 63 13
Oates BOS 83 45 97 142 1.71 142 32 12
Yzerman DET 83 58 79 137 1.65 137 44 33
Turgeon NYI 80 58 74 132 1.65 132 26 -2
Selanne WIN 82 76 56 132 1.61 132 45 6
Mogilny BUF 75 76 51 127 1.69 127 40 9
Gilmour TOR 81 32 95 127 1.57 127 96 32
Robitaille LA 82 63 62 125 1.52 127 100 16
Recchi PHI 81 53 70 123 1.52 123 95 -2
Sundin QUE 79 47 67 114 1.44 114 96 19
Stevens PIT 71 55 57 112 1.58 112 169 16
Bure VAN 82 60 50 110 1.34 110 67 37
Tocchet PIT 79 48 61 109 1.38 109 240 28
Roenick CHI 82 50 57 107 1.30 107 82 15
Janney STL 82 24 82 106 1.29 106 12 1
Sakic QUE 77 48 57 105 1.36 105 40 -4
Juneau BOS 83 32 70 102 1.23 102 33 21
Hull STL 78 54 47 101 1.29 101 41 -21
Andreychuk TOR 81 55 45 100 1.23 100 56 4
Fleury CAL 82 34 66 100 1.22 100 88 15
Francis PIT 83 24 76 100 1.20 100 68 6
Housley WIN 78 18 79 97 1.24 97 52 -13
Ciccarelli DET 81 41 56 97 1.20 97 81 12
Damphousse MON 82 39 58 97 1.18 97 96 5
Hawerchuk BUF 79 16 80 96 1.22 96 48 -14
Shanahan STL 69 51 43 94 1.36 94 168 9
Muller MON 79 37 57 94 1.19 94 75 9
Jagr PIT 80 34 60 94 1.18 94 69 31
Modano MIN 80 33 60 93 1.16 93 81 -6
Messier NYR 72 25 66 91 1.26 91 70 -3
Sanderson HAR 79 46 43 89 1.13 89 28 -24
Reichel CAL 78 40 48 88 1.13 88 54 23
Bellows MON 80 40 48 88 1.10 88 42 4
Fedorov DET 72 34 53 87 1.21 87 72 33
Thomas NYI 76 37 50 87 1.14 87 109 0
Coffey DET 79 12 75 87 1.10 87 77 16
Kurri LA 81 27 60 87 1.07 88 38 20
Bradley TB 78 42 44 86 1.10 86 90 -22
Brind'Amour PHI 78 37 49 86 1.10 86 87 -9
Ronning VAN 77 29 56 85 1.10 85 30 16
Bondra WAS 80 37 48 85 1.06 85 70 3
Cassels HAR 81 21 64 85 1.05 85 57 -15
Murphy PIT 82 22 62 84 1.02 84 73 42
Bourque BOS 78 19 63 82 1.05 82 40 38
Granato LA 79 37 45 82 1.04 83 165 3
Verbeek HAR 81 39 43 82 1.01 82 180 -11
Ridley WAS 81 26 56 82 1.01 82 38 4
Duchesne QUE 81 20 62 82 1.01 82 57 15
C.Lemieux NJ 75 30 51 81 1.08 81 149 0
Suter CAL 80 23 58 81 1.01 81 112 -1
Lebeau MON 69 31 49 80 1.16 80 20 23
Roberts CAL 57 38 41 79 1.39 79 172 31
Semak NJ 80 37 42 79 0.99 79 70 22
Hatcher WAS 80 34 45 79 0.99 79 110 -12
D.Hunter WAS 81 20 59 79 0.98 79 194 2
Courtnall MIN 82 36 43 79 0.96 79 49 -2
Brown STL 69 25 53 78 1.13 78 56 -4
Ricci QUE 76 27 51 78 1.03 78 121 9
Kisio SJ 77 26 52 78 1.01 78 90 -15
Craven VAN 76 25 52 77 1.01 77 30 0
G.Courtnall VAN 82 31 46 77 0.94 77 167 23
Nolan QUE 72 36 40 76 1.06 76 185 -6
King NYI 74 38 38 76 1.03 76 45 -1
Amonte NYR 80 33 43 76 0.95 76 47 0
Gagner MIN 82 33 43 76 0.93 76 141 -15
Lindros PHI 58 41 34 75 1.29 75 143 25
Hogue NYI 67 33 42 75 1.12 75 106 6
Nieuwendyk CAL 77 38 37 75 0.97 75 52 8
Pivonka WAS 66 21 53 74 1.12 74 51 12
Borschevsky TOR 76 34 40 74 0.97 74 26 32
Dahlen MIN 81 35 39 74 0.91 74 6 -18
Richer NJ 76 38 35 73 0.96 73 44 0
Emerson STL 80 22 51 73 0.91 73 60 -1
Nedved VAN 82 38 35 73 0.89 73 94 18
Chelios CHI 82 15 58 73 0.89 73 282 13
Carson LA 84 37 36 73 0.87 74 30 2
Zhamnov WIN 66 25 47 72 1.09 72 58 5
Kvartalnov BOS 72 30 42 72 1.00 72 14 9
Steen WIN 78 22 50 72 0.92 72 75 -8
Linden VAN 82 33 39 72 0.88 72 60 15
Mullen PIT 71 33 37 70 0.99 70 12 21
Larmer CHI 82 35 35 70 0.85 70 48 22
Donnelly LA 82 29 40 69 0.84 70 45 18
Kovalenko QUE 80 27 41 68 0.85 68 57 10
Gartner NYR 81 45 23 68 0.84 68 55 -2
Khristich WAS 61 31 36 67 1.10 67 26 26
Sheppard DET 70 32 34 66 0.94 66 29 7
Garpenlov SJ 78 22 44 66 0.85 66 56 -25
Iafrate WAS 81 25 41 66 0.81 66 169 15
Gretzky LA 43 16 49 65 1.51 67 6 6
Zalapski HAR 80 14 51 65 0.81 65 86 -32
Graves NYR 81 36 29 65 0.80 65 148 -4
Anderson TOR 74 21 43 64 0.86 64 117 19
Zelepukin NJ 76 23 41 64 0.84 64 66 16
MacIver OTT 78 17 46 63 0.81 63 80 -42
Dineen PHI 80 35 28 63 0.79 63 199 11
Chiasson DET 78 12 50 62 0.79 62 151 15
Ysebaert DET 79 34 28 62 0.78 62 42 19
Galley PHI 80 13 49 62 0.78 62 98 14
McEachern PIT 83 28 33 61 0.73 61 46 21
Nicholls NJ 67 13 47 60 0.90 60 80 -13
Keane MON 75 15 45 60 0.80 60 93 28
Flatley NYI 77 13 47 60 0.78 60 61 3
S.Young QUE 81 30 30 60 0.74 60 20 4
Shannon WIN 82 20 40 60 0.73 60 91 -4
Fedyk PHI 74 21 38 59 0.80 59 48 14
Blake LA 76 16 43 59 0.78 60 152 18
Olausson WIN 66 16 41 57 0.86 57 22 -5
Makarov CAL 70 18 39 57 0.81 57 40 0
Smith CHI 76 10 47 57 0.75 57 212 13
Elynuik WAS 77 22 35 57 0.74 57 66 2
Stevens NJ 79 12 45 57 0.72 57 116 16
Adams VAN 51 25 31 56 1.10 56 14 33
Tucker TB 76 17 39 56 0.74 56 69 -10
MacInnis CAL 48 11 43 54 1.13 54 59 15
Sutter CHI 63 20 34 54 0.86 54 65 9
Bodger BUF 80 9 45 54 0.68 54 87 14
Nemchinov NYR 81 23 31 54 0.67 54 34 15
Driver NJ 81 14 40 54 0.67 54 64 -9
Ruuttu CHI 82 17 37 54 0.66 54 134 14
Yake HAR 63 22 31 53 0.84 53 44 5
Turcotte NYR 68 25 28 53 0.78 53 40 -2
Sandstrom LA 37 25 27 52 1.41 53 51 11
Malakhov NYI 61 14 38 52 0.85 52 59 14
Ward VAN 68 22 30 52 0.76 52 82 32
Otto CAL 74 19 33 52 0.70 52 150 2
Kontos TB 66 27 24 51 0.77 51 12 -7
Leach BOS 78 26 25 51 0.65 51 126 -6
Poulin HAR 78 20 31 51 0.65 51 37 -19
Tkachuk WIN 81 28 23 51 0.63 51 199 -14
Savard MON 62 16 34 50 0.81 50 90 2
Norton NYI 63 12 38 50 0.79 50 45 -6
Cullen TOR 64 18 32 50 0.78 50 109 -23
Cote WAS 74 21 29 50 0.68 50 34 28
Eklund PHI 52 11 38 49 0.94 49 16 8
Olczyk NYR 68 21 28 49 0.72 49 52 -1
Semenov VAN 74 12 37 49 0.66 49 32 16
Davydov WIN 77 28 21 49 0.64 49 64 -2
Miller STL 80 24 25 49 0.61 49 96 0
Poulin BOS 83 16 33 49 0.59 49 62 30
Klima EDM 66 32 16 48 0.73 48 98 -15
Dionne MON 73 20 28 48 0.66 48 55 6
Baker OTT 74 19 29 48 0.65 48 52 -21
Rucinsky QUE 76 18 30 48 0.63 48 51 14
Weight EDM 76 17 31 48 0.63 48 65 5
Zhitnik LA 76 12 36 48 0.63 49 78 -2
MacLean NJ 78 24 24 48 0.62 48 100 -7
Corson EDM 78 16 31 47 0.60 47 207 -16
Sweeney BUF 79 21 26 47 0.59 47 118 4
Simpson EDM 60 24 22 46 0.77 46 36 -14
Hawgood PHI 66 11 35 46 0.70 46 68 -9
Johansson WAS 74 7 38 45 0.61 45 54 0
Miller WAS 81 18 27 45 0.56 45 32 -1
Manson EDM 81 15 30 45 0.56 45 210 -26
Desjardins MON 81 13 32 45 0.56 45 98 19
Schneider MON 58 13 31 44 0.76 44 89 9
Goulet CHI 63 23 21 44 0.70 44 41 10
Leclair MON 70 19 25 44 0.63 44 33 11
Drake DET 71 18 26 44 0.62 44 91 14
Lumme VAN 73 8 36 44 0.60 44 55 29
Gaudreau SJ 58 23 20 43 0.74 43 18 -17
Gill TOR 68 11 32 43 0.63 43 64 4
Turgeon OTT 70 25 18 43 0.61 43 104 -26
Probert DET 79 14 29 43 0.54 43 292 -9
Wood BUF 80 18 25 43 0.54 43 77 7
Ranheim CAL 82 21 22 43 0.52 43 26 -4
Zamuner TB 82 15 28 43 0.52 43 72 -25
Tinordi MIN 69 15 27 42 0.61 42 157 -1
Paslawski CAL 71 18 24 42 0.59 42 12 0
Ruzicka BOS 60 19 22 41 0.68 41 38 -6
Elik EDM 60 14 27 41 0.68 41 56 -4
Kudelski OTT 61 24 17 41 0.67 41 28 -25
McSorley LA 79 15 26 41 0.52 42 393 0
Shaw OTT 79 7 34 41 0.52 41 34 -47
Lidstrom DET 83 7 34 41 0.49 41 28 7
Stastny NJ 60 17 23 40 0.67 40 20 -3
Ellett TOR 68 6 34 40 0.59 40 46 17
Tikkanen NYR 78 16 24 40 0.51 40 94 -22
Niedermayer NJ 78 11 29 40 0.51 40 47 8
Racine DET 79 9 31 40 0.51 40 80 8
McPhee MIN 82 18 22 40 0.49 40 44 -4
Millen LA 40 23 16 39 0.98 40 42 15
Chambers TB 53 10 29 39 0.74 39 34 -23
Holik NJ 59 20 19 39 0.66 39 72 -2
Clark TOR 65 17 22 39 0.60 39 187 3
Khmylev BUF 66 20 19 39 0.59 39 26 6
Creighton TB 81 19 20 39 0.48 39 110 -21
Krushelnyski TOR 82 19 20 39 0.48 39 60 3
Kurvers NYI 49 8 30 38 0.78 38 38 8
Crossman STL 57 10 28 38 0.67 38 28 -6
Kovalev NYR 63 20 18 38 0.60 38 79 -8
Craig MIN 68 15 23 38 0.56 38 106 -10
Krupp NYI 79 9 29 38 0.48 38 67 8
Momesso VAN 82 18 20 38 0.46 38 193 11
Kamensky QUE 31 15 22 37 1.19 37 14 13
Numminen WIN 65 7 30 37 0.57 37 33 4
Pearson TOR 76 23 14 37 0.49 37 196 -2
Graham CHI 82 20 17 37 0.45 37 141 1
Leetch NYR 36 6 30 36 1.00 36 26 2
Ciger EDM 62 13 23 36 0.58 36 8 -14
Beers TB 62 12 24 36 0.58 36 70 -24
Reid BOS 65 20 16 36 0.55 36 10 12
Lapointe QUE 73 10 26 36 0.49 36 98 4
Sjodin MIN 75 7 29 36 0.48 36 30 -25
Weinrich HAR 76 7 29 36 0.47 36 76 -10
Borsato WIN 65 15 20 35 0.54 35 38 -1
Zezel TOR 68 12 23 35 0.51 35 24 -1
Burr DET 79 10 25 35 0.44 35 74 18
Donato BOS 81 15 20 35 0.43 35 61 2
Benning EDM 55 10 24 34 0.62 34 152 -1
Howe DET 59 3 31 34 0.58 34 22 20
Guerin NJ 63 14 20 34 0.54 34 63 16
Hull OTT 67 13 21 34 0.51 34 14 -21
D.Sweeney BOS 83 7 27 34 0.41 34 66 34
Nylander HAR 56 11 22 33 0.59 33 36 -5
Beranek PHI 63 15 18 33 0.52 33 78 -6
Wesley BOS 64 8 25 33 0.52 33 47 -2
Matteau CHI 77 15 18 33 0.43 33 96 6
Broten MIN 80 12 21 33 0.41 33 22 7
Leeman MON 50 15 17 32 0.64 32 24 14
Dalgarno NYI 55 15 17 32 0.58 32 60 16
Mellanby EDM 67 15 17 32 0.48 32 147 -4
Primeau DET 73 15 17 32 0.44 32 152 -6
Gilbert CHI 75 13 19 32 0.43 32 57 5
Mullen NYI 78 18 14 32 0.41 32 28 7
Presley BUF 78 15 17 32 0.41 32 92 5
Leschyshyn QUE 81 9 23 32 0.40 32 55 22
Zubov NYR 46 8 23 31 0.67 31 4 1
Mironov TOR 57 7 24 31 0.54 31 38 -2
Bureau TB 63 10 21 31 0.49 31 111 -12
Brisebois MON 68 10 21 31 0.46 31 77 8
Heinze BOS 72 18 13 31 0.43 31 24 21
Smehlik BUF 78 4 27 31 0.40 31 59 10
Lemieux CHI 79 10 21 31 0.39 31 109 4
Yushkevich PHI 79 5 26 31 0.39 31 71 10
Evason SJ 83 12 19 31 0.37 31 132 -33
McInnis NYI 56 10 20 30 0.54 30 24 7
Noonan CHI 61 16 14 30 0.49 30 82 1
Gallant DET 66 10 20 30 0.45 30 186 20
Kennedy DET 67 19 11 30 0.45 30 46 -1
Hough QUE 77 8 22 30 0.39 30 69 -11
Gusarov QUE 78 8 22 30 0.38 30 57 16
MacTavish EDM 80 10 20 30 0.38 30 110 -15
Buchberger EDM 81 12 18 30 0.37 30 133 -24
Janssens HAR 73 12 17 29 0.40 29 233 -12
U.Samuelson PIT 76 3 26 29 0.38 29 247 37
Sydor LA 78 6 23 29 0.37 29 59 0
Duchesne MIN 82 16 13 29 0.35 29 30 6
Falloon SJ 41 14 14 28 0.68 28 12 -25
Sandlak VAN 59 10 18 28 0.47 28 122 2
Carpenter WAS 65 11 17 28 0.43 28 63 -16
Kron HAR 42 14 13 27 0.64 27 18 7
Ferraro NYI 43 14 13 27 0.63 27 38 -5
Kravchuk EDM 55 10 17 27 0.49 27 32 3
Plavsic VAN 56 6 21 27 0.48 27 51 27
Ron Sutter STL 59 12 15 27 0.46 27 99 -11
Cole TB 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 21 -4
Odgers SJ 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 251 -25
Fitzgerald NYI 74 9 18 27 0.36 27 32 -1
Fetisov NJ 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 158 7
Korolev STL 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 20 -1
Kypreos HAR 75 17 10 27 0.36 27 325 -5
Andersson TB 75 16 11 27 0.36 27 14 -14
Huddy LA 80 2 25 27 0.34 27 62 20
Rich Sutter STL 82 13 14 27 0.33 27 100 -6
Slegr VAN 40 4 22 26 0.65 26 109 16
Svoboda BUF 40 2 24 26 0.65 26 59 3
Patrick NYR 60 5 21 26 0.43 26 61 1
Jones WAS 68 12 14 26 0.38 26 124 16
Lamb OTT 69 7 19 26 0.38 26 62 -40
Osborne TOR 75 12 14 26 0.35 26 87 -7
May BUF 80 13 13 26 0.33 26 238 3
Eagles WIN 82 8 18 26 0.32 26 131 -1
Brunet MON 45 10 15 25 0.56 25 19 13
T.Green NYI 58 7 18 25 0.43 25 43 6
Stern CAL 69 10 15 25 0.36 25 207 2
Lidster VAN 71 6 19 25 0.35 25 36 9
Haller MON 72 11 14 25 0.35 25 117 8
Tippett PIT 73 6 19 25 0.34 25 56 7
Peluso OTT 79 15 10 25 0.32 25 318 -32
DiMaio TB 54 9 15 24 0.44 24 62 0
Brady OTT 55 7 17 24 0.44 24 57 -25
Freer OTT 61 10 14 24 0.39 24 39 -32
Cavallini QUE 66 9 15 24 0.36 24 34 10
Lachance NYI 74 7 17 24 0.32 24 67 -2
Shaw BOS 76 10 14 24 0.32 24 108 9
Berg TOR 78 13 11 24 0.31 24 103 2
Ozolinsh SJ 37 7 16 23 0.62 23 40 -9
Klatt MIN 45 4 19 23 0.51 23 38 6
Loach LA 53 10 13 23 0.43 23 27 3
Todd EDM 55 9 14 23 0.42 23 26 -9
Ashton CAL 56 10 13 23 0.41 23 52 8
McBain OTT 57 7 16 23 0.40 23 43 -35
Gelinas EDM 63 11 12 23 0.37 23 30 2
Bautin WIN 69 5 18 23 0.33 23 92 -2
Krygier WAS 74 11 12 23 0.31 23 60 -14
Johnson MIN 79 3 20 23 0.29 23 105 9
Acton PHI 80 8 15 23 0.29 23 51 -11
Barnes WIN 37 12 10 22 0.59 22 10 -3
Huffman QUE 52 4 18 22 0.42 22 54 0
Sutton BUF 61 8 14 22 0.36 22 30 0
McKay NJ 71 11 11 22 0.31 22 199 1
Konstantinov DET 81 5 17 22 0.27 22 135 23
Pellerin NJ 44 10 11 21 0.48 21 37 -1
Sillinger DET 51 4 17 21 0.41 21 16 0
Volek NYI 56 8 13 21 0.38 21 34 -1
Lindberg CAL 61 9 12 21 0.34 21 18 -4
Evans PHI 65 8 13 21 0.32 21 70 -9
Hamrlik TB 65 6 15 21 0.32 21 65 -20
Gilchrist MIN 68 10 11 21 0.31 21 49 -12
Churla MIN 73 5 16 21 0.29 21 286 -8
Kasparaitis NYI 77 4 17 21 0.27 21 166 14
Loney PIT 81 5 16 21 0.26 21 99 3
Courtenay SJ 38 7 13 20 0.53 20 10 -15
Wilson SJ 42 3 17 20 0.48 20 40 -28
T.Pederson SJ 43 7 13 20 0.47 20 31 -14
Lomakin PHI 48 8 12 20 0.42 20 34 14
Druce WIN 48 6 14 20 0.42 20 37 -5
Hannan BUF 53 5 15 20 0.38 20 41 10
Corriveau HAR 54 8 12 20 0.37 20 12 -20
Bourque NYR 54 6 14 20 0.37 20 39 -9
Hiller DET 60 8 12 20 0.33 20 109 6
Maltais TB 61 7 13 20 0.33 20 35 -19
Burt HAR 62 6 14 20 0.32 20 116 -14
Johansson CAL 75 4 16 20 0.27 20 60 11
Marchment CHI 76 5 15 20 0.26 20 309 13
Diduck VAN 78 6 14 20 0.26 20 163 29
Podein EDM 38 13 6 19 0.50 19 25 -1
Berehowsky TOR 40 4 15 19 0.48 19 61 1
Babych VAN 41 3 16 19 0.46 19 42 4
Audette BUF 42 12 7 19 0.45 19 51 -5
Chorske NJ 50 7 12 19 0.38 19 25 -1
Bassen STL 51 9 10 19 0.37 19 59 -4
Hatcher MIN 65 4 15 19 0.29 19 176 -26
Kucera CHI 70 5 14 19 0.27 19 59 7
Wilson STL 76 8 11 19 0.25 19 44 -7
Macoun TOR 76 4 15 19 0.25 19 55 3
King WIN 77 8 11 19 0.25 19 203 4
Beukeboom NYR 79 2 17 19 0.24 19 153 10
Carkner PHI 80 3 16 19 0.24 19 146 16
Neely BOS 12 11 7 18 1.50 18 25 4
Foligno TOR 54 13 5 18 0.33 18 84 1
Christian CHI 60 4 14 18 0.30 18 12 6
Errey BUF 61 9 9 18 0.30 18 80 1
Gavin MIN 63 10 8 18 0.29 18 59 -4
McLlwain TOR 65 14 4 18 0.28 18 30 -17
Daigneault MON 65 8 10 18 0.28 18 57 24
Ramage MON 74 5 13 18 0.24 18 146 -24
Smith EDM 76 4 14 18 0.24 18 30 -11
Paek PIT 76 3 15 18 0.24 18 64 15
Murphy CHI 17 7 10 17 1.00 17 18 -4
DiPietro MON 27 4 13 17 0.63 17 14 10
M.Pederson SJ 40 10 7 17 0.43 17 24 -20
Nattress PHI 44 7 10 17 0.39 17 29 1
Carbonneau MON 59 4 13 17 0.29 17 20 -8
Yawney CAL 61 1 16 17 0.28 17 65 5
Kasatonov NJ 63 3 14 17 0.27 17 55 7
Roberts BOS 64 5 12 17 0.27 17 103 22
MacDermid WAS 72 9 8 17 0.24 17 80 -13
Odjick VAN 74 4 13 17 0.23 17 360 4
Conacher LA 79 9 8 17 0.22 17 20 -15
Cavallini WAS 79 6 11 17 0.22 17 56 4
Erickson WIN 39 4 12 16 0.41 16 12 2
Straka PIT 41 3 13 16 0.39 16 29 3
Erixon NYR 42 5 11 16 0.38 16 10 13
Murphy BOS 48 5 11 16 0.33 16 60 -14
Ledyard BUF 48 2 14 16 0.33 16 43 0
Butsayev PHI 49 2 14 16 0.33 16 57 2
Ulanov WIN 54 2 14 16 0.30 16 122 6
Carter SJ 55 7 9 16 0.29 16 81 -25
Glynn EDM 62 4 12 16 0.26 16 58 -12
Boschman OTT 68 9 7 16 0.24 16 95 -27
Rumble OTT 68 3 13 16 0.24 16 61 -26
Stanton PIT 76 4 12 16 0.21 16 97 8
Murzyn VAN 77 5 11 16 0.21 16 179 36
Musil CAL 78 6 10 16 0.21 16 129 26
May WAS 80 6 10 16 0.20 16 266 0
Foote QUE 80 4 12 16 0.20 16 168 3
Odelein MON 81 2 14 16 0.20 16 201 35
Andersson NYR 29 4 11 15 0.52 15 16 7
Archibald OTT 42 9 6 15 0.36 15 32 -15
Taylor LA 46 6 9 15 0.33 15 49 2
Lowe NYR 47 3 12 15 0.32 15 58 -1
Domi WIN 59 5 10 15 0.25 15 340 1
McCrimmon DET 60 1 14 15 0.25 15 71 21
Konroyd DET 65 3 12 15 0.23 15 67 -15
Zombo STL 69 0 15 15 0.22 15 78 -4
Butcher STL 82 5 10 15 0.18 15 209 0
Zmolek SJ 83 5 10 15 0.18 15 229 -51
Fergus VAN 36 5 9 14 0.39 14 20 1
Skrudland CAL 38 7 7 14 0.37 14 65 4
Pantaleyev BOS 39 8 6 14 0.36 14 12 -6
Pearson QUE 41 13 1 14 0.34 14 95 3
C.J.Young BOS 43 7 7 14 0.33 14 32 -6
Smail OTT 51 4 10 14 0.27 14 51 -34
Hardy LA 53 1 13 14 0.26 14 89 -1
Broten NYR 58 5 9 14 0.24 14 48 -6
Barr NJ 60 6 8 14 0.23 14 44 3
Taglianetti PIT 71 2 12 14 0.20 14 182 15
Ewen MON 74 5 9 14 0.19 14 191 7
Bergevin TB 76 2 12 14 0.18 14 66 -16
Finn QUE 79 5 9 14 0.18 14 160 -4
Lefebvre TOR 79 2 12 14 0.18 14 90 6
M.Sullivan SJ 81 6 8 14 0.17 14 30 -42
Ojanen NJ 31 4 9 13 0.42 13 14 -2
Reekie TB 42 2 11 13 0.31 13 69 2
Lindsay QUE 44 4 9 13 0.30 13 16 0
Ramsey PIT 44 3 10 13 0.30 13 28 16
Valk VAN 46 6 7 13 0.28 13 73 5
Jelinek OTT 49 7 6 13 0.27 13 52 -21
Needham PIT 55 8 5 13 0.24 13 24 -2
Lowry STL 56 5 8 13 0.23 13 101 -18
Rychel LA 68 6 7 13 0.19 13 293 -14
McGill PHI 70 3 10 13 0.19 13 221 7
Stapleton PIT 78 4 9 13 0.17 13 10 -8
Richardson EDM 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 140 -18
Rouse TOR 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 128 8
Daneyko NJ 82 2 11 13 0.16 13 222 4
Ogrodnick DET 18 6 6 12 0.67 12 2 -3
S. King NYR 24 7 5 12 0.50 12 16 4
Joseph EDM 31 2 10 12 0.39 12 46 -6
Petit CAL 34 3 9 12 0.35 12 50 -6
Williams SJ 39 1 11 12 0.31 12 49 -25
B.Smith MIN 43 5 7 12 0.28 12 8 -6
Bozon STL 52 6 6 12 0.23 12 55 -1
Ronan MON 53 5 7 12 0.23 12 20 6
Dirk VAN 67 4 8 12 0.18 12 146 22
Hunter VAN 72 5 7 12 0.17 12 182 -5
Luongo OTT 74 3 9 12 0.16 12 68 -42
Berube CAL 75 4 8 12 0.16 12 209 -6
Wilson CAL 22 4 7 11 0.50 11 8 10
Vujtek EDM 28 1 10 11 0.39 11 8 -1
Konowalchuk WAS 36 4 7 11 0.31 11 16 4
Snuggerud PHI 39 4 7 11 0.28 11 14 -3
Murray CHI 49 4 7 11 0.22 11 57 -14
Donnelly BUF 58 3 8 11 0.19 11 219 6
Dahl CAL 59 2 9 11 0.19 11 52 9
Kasper TB 66 4 7 11 0.17 11 20 -16
More SJ 73 5 6 11 0.15 11 179 -35
Quintal STL 73 1 10 11 0.15 11 100 -6
Ludwig MIN 76 1 10 11 0.14 11 149 0
Muni CHI 79 0 11 11 0.14 11 73 -15
Lazaro OTT 26 6 4 10 0.38 10 16 -8
Norwood STL 32 3 7 10 0.31 10 63 -5
Featherstone BOS 34 5 5 10 0.29 10 102 6
Murphy OTT 42 3 7 10 0.24 10 28 -18
DeBrusk EDM 49 8 2 10 0.20 10 199 -14
Wells NYR 50 1 9 10 0.20 10 105 -2
Kimble BOS 54 7 3 10 0.19 10 177 4
Corkum BUF 67 6 4 10 0.15 10 38 -2
Dahlquist CAL 73 3 7 10 0.14 10 66 -2
Gordijuk BUF 16 3 6 9 0.56 9 0 4
Hurlbut NYR 23 1 8 9 0.39 9 16 4
Boivin PHI 30 5 4 9 0.30 9 76 -5
Moller BUF 35 2 7 9 0.26 9 83 6
Cunneyworth HAR 36 5 4 9 0.25 9 61 -1
Petrovicky HAR 42 3 6 9 0.21 9 45 -10
McRae STL 45 3 6 9 0.20 9 167 -13
Cirella NYR 52 3 6 9 0.17 9 83 4
Maley SJ 55 2 7 9 0.16 9 143 -27
Daniels PIT 57 5 4 9 0.16 9 14 -6
Hughes BOS 61 5 4 9 0.15 9 191 -5
Lalor WIN 62 1 8 9 0.15 9 74 -13
K.Samuelson PIT 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 106 25
McKenzie HAR 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 202 -9
Kocur NYR 64 3 6 9 0.14 9 129 -9
Loewen OTT 77 4 5 9 0.12 9 145 -25
Houlder BUF 13 3 5 8 0.62 8 6 7
T.Sweeney BOS 14 1 7 8 0.57 8 6 1
Douris BOS 18 4 4 8 0.44 8 4 5
Keczmer HAR 21 4 4 8 0.38 8 28 -2
Greig HAR 22 1 7 8 0.36 8 27 -11
Day HAR 24 1 7 8 0.33 8 47 -8
Werenka EDM 27 5 3 8 0.30 8 24 1
Tatarinov QUE 28 2 6 8 0.29 8 28 6
McDonough SJ 30 6 2 8 0.27 8 6 -21
Hill MON 30 2 6 8 0.27 8 47 -5
K.Brown CHI 31 2 6 8 0.26 8 37 4
Loiselle NYI 38 5 3 8 0.21 8 84 -4
Hudson EDM 39 1 7 8 0.21 8 44 -8
Hedican STL 40 0 8 8 0.20 8 30 -4
Roberge MON 48 4 4 8 0.17 8 140 3
Ahola SJ 49 3 5 8 0.16 8 36 -11
McIntyre NYR 57 3 5 8 0.14 8 82 -14
Anderson WAS 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 18 -1
Houda HAR 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 163 -21
Hartman TB 58 4 4 8 0.14 8 154 -7
Wilkinson SJ 58 1 7 8 0.14 8 96 -48
Hammond OTT 61 4 4 8 0.13 8 104 -40
Barrasso PIT 62 0 8 8 0.13 8 20 0
Kennedy WIN 77 1 7 8 0.10 8 105 -4
Eastwood TOR 12 1 6 7 0.58 7 21 -2
Quintin SJ 14 2 5 7 0.50 7 4 -4
R.Brown CHI 15 1 6 7 0.47 33 33 6
Godynyuk CAL 26 3 4 7 0.27 7 17 7
Rice EDM 26 2 5 7 0.27 7 13 -5
Murray BOS 27 3 4 7 0.26 7 8 -6
Wiemer BOS 27 1 6 7 0.26 7 48 -1
Berezan SJ 28 3 4 7 0.25 7 28 -18
Marois NYI 28 2 5 7 0.25 7 35 -3
Mallette NJ 34 4 3 7 0.21 7 56 3
Hynes PHI 36 3 4 7 0.19 7 16 -3
Gilhen TB 42 3 4 7 0.17 7 12 -13
Chase STL 49 2 5 7 0.14 7 204 -9
Vukota NYI 71 2 5 7 0.10 7 199 4
Zettler SJ 79 0 7 7 0.09 7 150 -48
Lafreniere TB 9 3 3 6 0.67 6 4 -5
Propp MIN 15 3 3 6 0.40 6 0 -8
Belanger MON 18 4 2 6 0.33 6 4 1
Kerr HAR 22 0 6 6 0.27 6 7 -11
Shuchuk LA 23 2 4 6 0.26 6 14 4
Bergland TB 25 3 3 6 0.24 6 11 -9
Vaske NYI 25 1 5 6 0.24 6 30 6
Carney BUF 29 2 4 6 0.21 6 51 2
Dinnen OTT 31 2 4 6 0.19 6 30 -19
Albelin NJ 34 1 5 6 0.18 6 14 -1
Patterson BUF 35 4 2 6 0.17 6 18 -2
Ladouceur HAR 59 2 4 6 0.10 6 107 -17
Russell CHI 66 2 4 6 0.09 6 151 5
Lang LA 11 0 5 5 0.45 5 2 -3
Lipuma TB 13 0 5 5 0.38 5 32 1
Brown NJ 15 0 5 5 0.33 5 2 3
Kozlov DET 16 4 1 5 0.31 5 14 -1
Savage WAS 16 2 3 5 0.31 5 12 -4
Bruce SJ 17 2 3 5 0.29 5 33 -14
Byers SJ 18 4 1 5 0.28 5 122 -2
Conroy PHI 18 3 2 5 0.28 5 17 0
Van Allen EDM 21 1 4 5 0.24 5 6 -2
Richer BOS 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 18 -9
Wolanin QUE 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 49 8
Leach HAR 24 3 2 5 0.21 5 4 -7
Prokhorov STL 26 4 1 5 0.19 5 15 -4
Kruse CAL 26 2 3 5 0.19 5 41 3
Richter NYR 35 0 5 5 0.14 5 2 0
Bawa SJ 41 5 0 5 0.12 5 47 -24
Osiecki MIN 42 1 4 5 0.12 5 19 -20
Matvichuk MIN 51 2 3 5 0.10 5 26 -7
Pedersen HAR 58 1 4 5 0.09 5 60 2
Jennings PIT 58 0 5 5 0.09 5 65 7
Essensa WIN 66 0 5 5 0.08 5 2 0
Ray BUF 68 3 2 5 0.07 5 211 -3
McKim BOS 7 1 3 4 0.57 4 0 2
Faust PHI 8 2 2 4 0.50 4 4 3
Smolinski BOS 8 1 3 4 0.50 4 0 3
Fogarty PIT 12 0 4 4 0.33 4 4 -3
Hervey TB 15 0 4 4 0.27 4 36 -4
Picard SJ 25 4 0 4 0.16 4 24 -17
Reese CAL 25 0 4 4 0.16 4 4 0
Romaniuk WIN 28 3 1 4 0.14 4 22 0
Thompson LA 28 0 4 4 0.14 4 79 -3
Pilon NYI 41 1 3 4 0.10 4 146 -3
Giles STL 48 0 4 4 0.08 4 40 -2
Baron STL 53 2 2 4 0.08 4 59 -5
Cheveldae DET 66 0 4 4 0.06 4 4 0
Hankinson NJ 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 9 2
McDougall EDM 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 4 2
Felsner STL 4 0 3 3 0.75 3 0 0
Ruff TB 8 2 1 3 0.38 3 8 -1
Petrov MON 9 2 1 3 0.33 3 10 2
Black MIN 10 2 1 3 0.30 3 4 0
Morris SJ 14 0 3 3 0.21 3 6 -11
Walter VAN 23 3 0 3 0.13 3 8 -2
Hrivnak WIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 0 0
Wakaluk MIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 20 0
Dufresne MON 30 1 2 3 0.10 3 30 0
Cronin PHI 34 2 1 3 0.09 3 37 0
Smyth CAL 34 1 2 3 0.09 3 95 3
Hrudey LA 48 0 3 3 0.06 3 8 0
Marsh OTT 57 0 3 3 0.05 3 30 -25
Casey MIN 58 0 3 3 0.05 3 28 0
Berry MIN 61 0 3 3 0.05 3 107 4
Ranford EDM 66 0 3 3 0.05 3 10 0
Belfour CHI 69 0 3 3 0.04 3 28 0
Rivers TB 4 0 2 2 0.50 2 2 -2
Forslund CAL 5 0 2 2 0.40 2 0 0
Capuano TB 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 -4
Djoos NYR 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 0
Cummins DET 7 1 1 2 0.29 2 58 0
Otevrel SJ 7 0 2 2 0.29 2 0 -6
Kolstad SJ 10 0 2 2 0.20 2 12 -9
Osborne TB 11 1 1 2 0.18 2 8 -1
Wood SJ 12 1 1 2 0.17 2 71 -5
Brickley WIN 12 0 2 2 0.17 2 2 0
Eakins WIN 14 0 2 2 0.14 2 38 2
Simon QUE 15 1 1 2 0.13 2 67 -2
Bennett CHI 16 0 2 2 0.13 2 8 -2
Gillis HAR 18 1 1 2 0.11 2 38 0
Carlyle WIN 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 14 -6
Nylund NYI 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 43 -2
Blue BOS 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 6 0
Watters LA 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 18 -3
Woolley WAS 23 0 2 2 0.09 2 10 0
Whitmore VAN 29 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0
Stauber LA 30 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0
W.Young TB 31 0 2 2 0.06 2 2 0
Roussel PHI 32 0 2 2 0.06 2 11 0
Twist QUE 34 0 2 2 0.06 2 64 0
Fiset QUE 37 0 2 2 0.05 2 2 0
Jablonski TB 42 0 2 2 0.05 2 7 0
Soderstrom PHI 43 0 2 2 0.05 2 4 0
Healy NYI 46 0 2 2 0.04 2 2 0
Burke HAR 50 0 2 2 0.04 2 25 0
Hextall QUE 53 0 2 2 0.04 2 56 0
Roy MON 61 0 2 2 0.03 2 16 0
Vernon CAL 63 0 2 2 0.03 2 42 0
Joseph STL 66 0 2 2 0.03 2 8 0
Brown PHI 67 0 2 2 0.03 2 76 -5
Grimson CHI 76 1 1 2 0.03 2 186 2
Barnaby BUF 1 1 0 1 1.00 1 0 0
Ratushny VAN 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 0
Zholtok BOS 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 1
Sullivan NJ 2 0 1 1 0.50 1 0 -1
Duncanson NYR 3 0 1 1 0.33 1 0 0
Beaufait SJ 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 0 -1
Bowen PHI 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0
MacDonald BUF 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0
Esau QUE 4 0 1 1 0.25 1 2 1
D.Smith MIN 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 2 -2
Vial DET 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 20 1
Brown BUF 10 0 1 1 0.10 1 6 -5
Draper BUF 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 2 0
Karpa QUE 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 13 -6
Tichy CHI 13 0 1 1 0.08 1 30 7
Gosselin HAR 15 0 1 1 0.07 1 2 0
Fortier LA 16 0 1 1 0.06 1 11 -9
Hayward SJ 18 0 1 1 0.06 1 2 0
McGill TOR 19 1 0 1 0.05 1 34 5
Bergeron TB 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 0 0
Potvin LA 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 52 -9
Berthiaume OTT 23 0 1 1 0.04 1 2 0
Racicot MON 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0
Wregget PIT 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0
Ciccone MIN 29 0 1 1 0.03 1 106 3
Puppa TOR 32 0 1 1 0.03 1 0 0
Hackett SJ 36 0 1 1 0.03 1 4 0
Fitzpatrick NYI 37 0 1 1 0.03 1 2 0
Billington NJ 40 0 1 1 0.03 1 8 0
Potvin TOR 46 0 1 1 0.02 1 4 0
Vanbiesbrouk NYR 48 0 1 1 0.02 1 18 0
McLean VAN 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 16 0
Moog BOS 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 14 0
Beaupre WAS 57 0 1 1 0.02 1 20 0
Baumgartner TOR 61 1 0 1 0.02 1 155 -11
Bales BOS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Burridge WAS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Chabot MON 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
D'Alessio HAR 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Littman TB 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Parks NYI 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Semchuk LA 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
St. Amour OTT 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Cimellaro OTT 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -2
Cote TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -1
Marcinyshyn NYR 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 -1
O'Neill WIN 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Raglan TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Williams LA 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0
Charron MON 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Ciavaglia BUF 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Cloutier QUE 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Hamr OTT 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -3
Wamsley TOR 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Hirsch NYR 4 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
O'Connor NJ 7 0 0 0 0.00 0 9 -4
J.Messier NYR 9 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0
Knickle LA 10 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Chapdelaine LA 13 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 -6
Shannon TOR 15 0 0 0 0.00 0 11 -2
Agnew HAR 16 0 0 0 0.00 0 68 3
Waite CHI 20 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Langway WAS 21 0 0 0 0.00 0 20 -13
Riendeau DET 22 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Hebert STL 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Tabaracci WAS 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 0
Tugnutt EDM 25 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0
Caufield PIT 26 0 0 0 0.00 0 60 -1
Hasek BUF 27 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Pietrangelo HAR 30 0 0 0 0.00 0 4 0
Irbe SJ 35 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0
Terreri NJ 47 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0
Fuhr BUF 56 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0
Sidorkiewicz OTT 63 0 0 0 0.00 0 8 0
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9248 | From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
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jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu
> > In article <C4wxnF.Bx1@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbo
> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1
> >
> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons???
>
> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your
> jokes:-)!
Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour...
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9249 | Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
From: Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
<1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu>
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What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a
s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza
k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the
way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref
ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.
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9250 | From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
In-Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 26 Apr 93 22:22:28 GMT
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Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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In article <1rhnb4$1pp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
> In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says:
>
> >In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
> >>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:
> >>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
> >
> >>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral
> >>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?
> >
>
> There are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed
> a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada.
>...
Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count
Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of
independence. He was killed by the Israelis. Seems he was being too
successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked
territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.
--
=Jim eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
|
9251 | From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Lines: 26
In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on
>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
>> ^^^^^
>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?
>
>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.
>
>I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several
>different news groups, including something along the lines of
>alt.discrimination.
Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.
Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted
to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).
Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer
the question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no
trouble politely responding to a polite query.
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
|
9252 | From: kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin D Frank)
Subject: NHL Team Items...
Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 17
I live in the desolate MidWest (as far as hockey is concerned) and our "sports"
stores around here carry VERY LITTLE hockey stuff, except for San Jose, Tampa
Bay, L.A., Pittsburgh, and if you're lucky Chicago.
I would like to know if anyone knows of any m,ail order, phone order stores that
I might be able to get in contact with. I am dying for some real hockey stuff
(hats, shirts, key chains, etc.) for some other teams (Edmonton, Montreal, etc.)
so if you have any information, PLEASE e-mail me DIRECTLY. Most appreciated!
Good luck to your teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs!
GO EDMONTON (likely...NOT!!) Maybe next year...
--
"If you assult someone you get 5 years--In hockey, 5 minutes.
Is this a great sport or what?!"
Kevin D. Frank kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
|
9253 | From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: From Israeli press. Madness.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500342:000:6673
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:49:00 1993
Lines: 130
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: From Israeli press. Madness.
/* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */
/* ---------- "From Israeli press. Madness." ---------- */
FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS.
Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's
paper, affiliated with Maariv.
Date: 19 February 1993
Journalist: Guy Ehrlich
Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan
(Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate
within the occupied territories.
Excerpts from the article:
"A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as
Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most
important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is
that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one
way or another insane".
A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name
is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge
from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be
called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to
depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different
from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript
service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely
different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures
about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their
fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they
began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking.
The following article will contain all the horror stories
recounted with an appalling openness.
(...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in
which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We
called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command
was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common
phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I
should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On
Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to
until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The
keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I
can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't
want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it
instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time
and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only
there I become normal.(...)
(...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother.
It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to
me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which
was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how
exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began
to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh
straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a
mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov
cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as
they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with
the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I
was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the
Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit
him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off
something.
Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts
in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that
spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab,
blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut
up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed
straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at
something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All
right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at
another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be
saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the
help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all
this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight
into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt
I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he
omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over
her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know
what to say.
(...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls
upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a
field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend
shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the
hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it.
We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two
deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we
saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to
such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully
inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of
the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We
had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too,
so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my
revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short
distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the
bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall
outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of
blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our
madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like
beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We
were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we
felt the whole day very badly.
(...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in.
This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may
be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel
Godlike of sorts."
(...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment
studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any
security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why
shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ?
Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver
while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits
me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a
reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to
Bosnia in order to fight there."
Transl. by Israel Shahak.
|
9254 | From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles)
Subject: windows imagine??!!
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 10
I sent off for my copy today... Snail Mail. Hope to get it back in
about ten days. (Impulse said "a week".)
I hope it's as good as they claim...
Jim Nobles
(Hope I have what it takes to use it... :>)
|
9255 | From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Goalie Mask Update
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 29
Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for
1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if
the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team!
Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes!
Player Team Pts Votes
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. Brian Hayward San Jose 15 6
Andy Moog Boston 15 6
3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 11 5
4. Ed Belfour Chicago 10 5
5. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 5 3
Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2
Ron Hextall Quebec 5 2
8. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2
-----------------------------------------------------------
Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det),
Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley
(Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR),
Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal),
Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA).
--
GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS! ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
|
9256 | From: marrevola@rediris.es
Subject: Re: What is Zero dB????
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:
> Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>
> : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
> : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by
> : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
> : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
>
> Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
> named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation
> of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
>
> : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus
> : our use of the Ohms...
>
> I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
Are you (two) joking?
Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)?
Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing "the pink
colored resistor", only for electronics working females ;-)
--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||
DoD #1033
|
9257 | From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 49
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) says:
>In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes:
>>
>> If you look through this newsgroup, you should be
>> able to find Clinton's proposed "Wiretapping" Initiative
> ^^^^^^^^^
>> for our computer networks and telephone systems.
>>
>> This 'initiative" has been up before Congress for at least
>> the past 6 months, in the guise of the "FBI Wiretapping"
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> bill.
>
>What kind of brainless clod posted the above garbage? Would they be
What kind of brainless clod doesn't understand the difference
between a "PROPOSED BILL, BLOCKED IN CONGRESS" and an "EXECUTIVE
ORDER, ISSUED BY CLINTON, AND CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS".
Here, let me give a remedial course in thinking:
In order to create the appearance of low interest rates, Uncle Sam
has shifted his debt from long-term to short-term securities.
In effect, Uncle Sam has transformed the Federal Goverment into
one giant S&L, waiting to blow.
Short-term rates rise ---> Interest payments on Deficit rise --->
Uncle Sammy has to borrow more ----> Causing Short-term rates to rise.
Uncle Sammy gets caught in a positive feedback loop. His options:
i) Raise taxes a truly unimaginable amount
ii) Make truly unimaginable spending cuts
Results of i): large numbers of pissed-off citizens
Results of ii): large numbers of pissed-off citizens
Uncle Sammy has thoughtfully taken the initiative to pre-empt the use
of communication newtworks to foster a nation-wide, grassroots
uprising.
|
9258 | From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: WYSIWYG word processor for DOS!!!!!!
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 70
Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I
don't need my DOS word processor anymore. It's a great word
processor. Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and
best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode. This is something
Word Perfect doesn't have!! And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping.
It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!!
$65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!! Perfect for
a laptop, or a lower powered machine!
Check this out:
CA> It has:
CA> - WYSIWYG-mode editing (Word Perfect still trying to do
CA> this!)
CA> - Graphics-importing, scaling, and resizing (Comes
CA> with free art!)
CA> - Scalable fonts (30 typefaces included!)
CA> Indentical from screen to printer! (See below for more info
CA> on font generator)
CA> - On-line spell-checking and thesaurus
CA> (See below for more info!)
CA> - Great 10-level outliner!
CA> - Multiple columns
CA> - Dual-document opening and editing
CA> - Line and box drawing
CA> - Search and replace
CA> - Cut, copy, insert, and paste between documents and inside
CA> documents
CA> - Justification control
CA> - Resettable margins, tabs, and line-spacing
CA> - Savable layouts
CA> - Headers, footers, page numbering
CA> - Table of Contents
CA> - Multiple rulers in one document
CA> - Mail merge
CA>
CA> Also included as free utilities:
CA> - Publisher's Powerpak Font Engine: This gives PFS:Write
CA> scalable fonts in sizes from 4pt to 72pt! Support for
CA> screen (in Write) and printer (even 9-pin dot-matrix looks
CA> great!). Comes with 30 typefaces. Supports subscripts and
CA> superscripts, too!
CA> - Grammatik IV: The grammar and style
CA> checker. Comes with a quick reference card for easy use.
CA> It really helped my punctuation and usage!
CA> - International CorrectSpell English and Roget's Electronic
CA> Thesaurus: Th dictionary and thesuarus pack is published by
CA> the publishers of The American Hertiage Dictionary. If you
CA> can't trust them with your words, who can you trust?
CA> - ClickArt Business Images: A sampler of the ClickArt
CA> library. Perfect for importing into PFS:Write documents.
CA>
CA> I bought this product 1 year ago for $129. Its easy to use
CA> and turns out great-looking documents, even on a dot-matrix
CA> printer. So if you want WYSIWYG editing for your DOS-computer
CA> now, PFS:Write is here!
CA>
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CA> documentation, registration cards, the box (its still in
CA> good condition), both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" disks for PFS:Write
CA> and Grammatik, and the ClickArt on a 3 1/2" disk. The
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|
9259 | From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: THE METS ARE RAPISTS!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu
Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 19
"Todd Karlin" writes
> I do not read Klapisch's news columns regularly, but I
> do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator
> that enjoys (hopefully for only professional reasons) to drumb
> up a news story, even if there isn't one there. Now as far as
> the confrontation with Bobby Bonilla a few days ago, I almost
> totally blame Bonilla. No matter what a member of the press
> does, and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might
> be, that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a
> journalist.
Bonilla wasn't threatening anyone. He just wanted to give him the dollar
tour. =^)
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
|
9260 | From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ)
Subject: Canon buble jet printer?
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 12
Hi,
Can somebody tell me how much is Canon BJ200? And from where can I buy it for
the cheapest price? Thanks in advance..
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9261 | From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)
Subject: FPU in an SE (probably a dumb question...)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Lines: 11
is it possible to fit an FPU in a mac SE? (not a SE/30, but the plain
old SE); if possible, would I get any speed increase? what would be
the reference of the chip?
thanks in advance,
--
%%Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, phone:(+353-1)7021539, e-mail:sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie
%%Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, fax:(+353-1)6772204
%%Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland- ASK-18
|
9262 | From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home...
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Lines: 41
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov
In article <DRAND.93Apr20150701@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>In article <randall.735251839@woof> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
> Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however,
> that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs
>
>Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for
>just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow
>down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button.
Now, that indeed is possible. A good friend of mine is running about 1 KW
PeP from his car. Yes, he does have a second alternator. Yes, he calls
the rig an "electronic brake" since the engine noticeably slows when the
key is down.
My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's
astonishingly sensitive to RFI. If I key a 2W HT over the engine with
the hood open, the car loses timing due to the RF leaking into the
distributor pickup. Very poor design.
I will, however, point out that ham radio operators are usually quite willing
to help when interference is detected. Remember that any interference is
wasted power; if I put out 1W in the TV band, that's 1W that I am not putting
out in the band I am trying to transmit on, and 1W can often be the difference
between a nice card hanging on the wall, and nothing. CBers, however, are
usually not as helpful. Most illegal CBers, however, will stop operation
when you inform them of a problem. The rest of them will stop operation when
you inform the local FCC office of the problem (in writing, and giving details
and addresses).
>Last, you can usually tell ham radio vs. CB. Ham operators are
>required to declare their call (sign) every so many minutes (no more
>than 10). So if you hear "This is WA1QT" or some other call starting
>with A, W or K and no more than 6 total characters, you heard a ham.
>CB'ers probably won't sign (I don't know that they're even required
>to) and fire/police have other private ids.
Good advice. Hams will frequently give their call, and will never use
a "handle." They are less apt to use immense amounts of profanity as well,
but that's not to say that they don't from time to time.
--scott
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9263 | From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)
Subject: Playoff pool, rules, entry form
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 39
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
Well, the tentative rules, anyway. And, of course, since the season is
not entirely over, tentative entry form. But who cares? The real hockey
season is starting!!!!!
Here's the deal: You email (preferably) or post your predictions, AND the
number of games you think each series will go. Each round will be
weighted, so that the Stanley Cup finals will be very important, but the
early rounds will still be important. Here is the scoring:
Pick 1st round winner, way off on games: 2 points
Pick 1st round winner, within one game: 3 points
Pick 1st round winner, pick # of games: 5 points
Pick 2nd round winner, way off on games: 3 points
Pick 2nd round winner, within one game: 4 points
Pick 2nd round winner, pick # of games: 6 points
Pick conference champ, way off on games: 5 points
Pick conference champ, within one game: 6 points
Pick conference champ, pick # of games: 9 points
Pick Stanley Cup champ, way off on games: 8 points
Pick Stanley Cup champ, within one game: 10 points
Pick Stanley Cup champ, pick # of games: 14 points
Pick loser in 7, series goes 7: 2 points
Pick loser in 7, series decided in Game 7, OT: 4 points
(these last two are sympathy points, probably won't happen anyway)
Obviously, picking the Stanley Cup champion is important. I will do some
tests to see if the format is fair, but probably I will be too lazy to
modify it, so the scoring will probably be like this. As for entry forms,
well, this post is getting too long, so see next post.
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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9264 | From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca
Subject: European expansion and our f*cked system
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Lines: 36
Everyone keeps talking about European expansion by 2010 thinking
wishful thoughts, but being totally off the ball.
The league format we use here is incompatible with that in Europe.
(for those that don't know, the best teams from lower divisions get
promoted and the worst get demoted).
Would European fans put up with our "if you've paid, you can play"
attitude??
How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based
corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good
product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's
record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)).
If hockey (and other pro sports) had a similar system to Europe, maybe
teams like the Rangers would be forced to compete (or get demoted the fourth
division). We'd have many more teams...centres that aren't as big (like
Halifax or Adirondack....ok, so Halifax isn't a good example) would
eventually get promoted, and every team would be somewhat competetive within
its own division (unlike Ottawa, SJ, Edmonton, etc.). Fans would eventually
get rewarded for their loyalty (or penalized for their neglect), and the
league would be more interesting and dynamic every year because of the influx
of newly promoted teams (and the Halifax Citadels win the Stanley Cup...I can
dream, can't I??)
Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan
problems).
Just someone who thinks our system really sucks
Barfly
(feel free to flame me, my account ends today...hahahaha)
1940!!
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9265 | From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker)
Subject: Re: SSPX schism ?
Organization: Shell Oil
Lines: 34
In article <Apr.13.00.09.07.1993.28452@athos.rutgers.edu> simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields) writes:
>Hi All
>
>Hope you all had a Blessed Easter. I have a document which I believe
>refutes the notion that the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) is in
>schism, or that there has been any legitimate excommunication. If
>anyone is interested in reading the truth about this matter please
>email me and I'll send them the document via email. Its 26 pages long,
>so I wont be posting it on the news group.
I may be interesting to see some brief selections posted to the net.
My understanding is that SSPX does not consider ITSELF in schism
or legitimately excommunicated. But that's really beside the point.
What does the Roman Catholic church say? Excommunication can be
real apart from formal excommunication, as provided for in canon law.
After all we Orthodox don't cinsider ourselves schismatic or
excommunicated. But the Catholic Church considers us dissident.
If this is inappropriate for this group or beyond the charter,
I'm sure OFM will let us know.
Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com)
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Lawrence Overacker
Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965
llo@shell.com
[I think it's within the charter. Whether this is actually the best
group in which to discuss it is up to the people concerned. I am not
interested in having this reinvoke the general Catholic/Protestant
polemics, but I don't see why it should -- the issue is primarily one
specific to Catholics. --clh]
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9266 | From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: test
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110
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Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
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test
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9267 | From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Jack Morris
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Lines: 33
In <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their
>fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his
>future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best
>signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't
>even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.
Yeah Valentine, how many rings does Clemens have?
Nothin' like good old fashioned Canadian logic...
BTW: The only good thing I can say about the Jay's rotation this year
is that it could have been worse. Stewart might have stayed healthy.
--
cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
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9268 | From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning
> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much
> bigger role than in the 4-1 game.
But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to
one run.
Sam
>
> Sherri Nichols
> snichols@adobe.com
|
9269 | From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 111
In article <1993Apr16.190447.8242@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca>
wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>
>>Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses?
>
>You mean the responses some of which pointed to double-blind tests
>which show no such "chinese restaurant effect" unique to MSG
>(it's elicited by the placebo as well.)
Many people responded with more anecdotal stories; I think its safe to
say the original poster is already familiar with such stories.
Presumably, he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about
MSG making people ill.
Similarly, debunking such claims without doing research (whether
literature and lab), is equally beside the point. The original poster
no doubt already knows that some people think 'Chinese Restaurant
Syndrome' is bogus.
Placebos are all very interesting, but irrelevant to the question of
what effects MSG has. You could have real effects *and* placebo
effects; people may have allergies in addition.
>
>>Yet again, the use of this
>>newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters
>>they have substantial knowledge of.
>
>Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently
>come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to
>do with the use of this substance in human nutrition?
Have you read Olney's work? I fail to see how citing results from
peer-reviewed studies qualifies as "bizarrely cracked".
>>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a
>>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on
>>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an
>>excitotoxic food additive,
>
>No, it's undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid
>which is an excitatory neurotransmitter. There is also evidence that
>excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain
>conditions like stroke, drowning and Lou Gehrig's disease, just to name a few.
>This is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid
>in foods. People are not receiving intra-ventricular injections of glutamate.
Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a
study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu
and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC.
Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies,
for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works
that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain
injection bunk.
>>Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off.
>
>Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any
>controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far
>as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is
>not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently
>ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe
>that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely.
Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the
journals? Have you done a thorough literature search?
But, you're right, mice aren't the best to study this on. They're four
times less sensitive than humans to MSG.
>>Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in
>>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts
>>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be
>>encountered in a ny single food.
>
>Wrong. Do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink?
>Milligrams worth. Compare that to a glass of milk. Do you know how much
>glutamate is present in most protein-containing foods compared to that
>added by the use of MSG?
The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids.
Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine.
Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount
of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods,
vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged
soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin
for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed
foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose.
>>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his*
>>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute.
>
>Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute.
Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you
provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles
disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever.
>
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Hmm. ".com". Why am I not surprised?
- Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca
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9270 | From: tpd6908@yak.COM (Tom Dickens)
Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Lines: 22
I too have been watching the IIsi speedup reports and plan to upgrade in
the next few weeks. The plan I have is to build a small board with a few
different crystals on it and to be able to switch between the different
speeds using a front pannel switch. This way I can get the speed when
I want but I can also run at slower (stock) speeds it I experience any
compatability problems with any applications. I don't expect to be able
to switch clock speeds with the system running, but if I can switch
without any lock-up problems, then I could switch to 33MHz when needed
and put it back to idle (20 MHz) when not needeed. This would further
reduce the wear-and-tear on the CPU even with a heat sink. Of course
I would not want to run the different clock signals through the switch
but use a chip or two on the board to select the frequency desired and
route it directly to the mother board.
I haven't started probing around inside my si yet. Does anyone know the
voltage level to power the crystal oscilators?
Thanks.
<<< Tom Dickens: Boeing Computer Services tpd6908@yak.ca.boeing.com >>>
<<< These statements are mine and not Boeing's >>>
|
9271 | From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Lines: 35
Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu
In <Apr.17.06.54.41.1993.15825@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>> 1) So what?
>So this bolsters the contention that many homosexuals are liars.
This statement is just so blatantly disgusting and free of any implicit
neural activity that I will almost completely ignore it.
>> --
>> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .
>> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .
>> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .
>The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry.
Sigh. It's so amusing to watch bigots point fingers at what they imagine to
be other bigots. I do believe this person meant "bean *counting*". And are
you trying to suggest that only Hispanics eat beans? Or that they even have
a monopoly on eating beans? Or that this person is seriously promoting what
is obviously a tongue-in-cheek .sig?
You must have a brain somewhere, if you can cause your fingers to type. Use
it.
Drywid
--
----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA!
\ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater
\\ /
\/ "Words Weren't Made For Cowards"--Happy Rhodes
|
9272 | From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: The Right To Keep And Bear Arms (was: Re: Who's next?...)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Lines: 28
mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:
>st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>:Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever.
>Yes, gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night.
>Well, it couldn't last forever.
For the record, it wasn't until I came to college (excluding
the times I went to Omaha or Council Bluffs for something) that I
ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car! Come to think of
it, it was only after I moved to Ames, Ia (pop 45K) that I ever took
to locking my doors at night.
I've discovered that $50K/year isn't worth living in fear
all day. I might just move back to the farm.
This weekend is Veishea. You know, when ISU students riot
for no apparent reason. This year, we've the Farm Aid concert
to add to the festivities. Anybody bet me there's another riot?
Remember, Iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot.
Stay tuned for an on-the-scene report this weekend.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
|
9273 | From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion)
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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: FINLAND:
:
: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20
: D-Teppo Numminen....20
: D-Peter Ahola.......13
:
Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)...
: C-Jari Kurri........25
: C-Christian Ruuttu..16
:
Now, do YOU think that Ruuttu is only worth 16 ? I think it might be 20.
: R-Teemu Selanne.....27
:
Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26.
: well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of
: Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's
: presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at
: the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be
: that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL.
Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like:
Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even
if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North-
American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink.
The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe.
And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though
they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well
together.
--
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* 'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl*
* howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh' *
* -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz *
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-Marko Poutiainen
mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
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9274 | From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Lines: 51
Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com
frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>&
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold
>& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted.
>&
>& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will
>& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the
>& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less
Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900.
>power. And less brakes.
A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever,
much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8" in a fine Randy
Mamola impression. ;{>
>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give
a few liter bike riders fits in the future.
>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the
The steering locks are adjustable.
>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black
leather.
*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28%
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis)
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
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9275 | From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Subject: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Lines: 47
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov
In article <C5xp0K.G79@brunel.ac.uk>, mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes:
> <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>> Sorry if I do not have the big degrees
>>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something
>>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without
>>dreams all the knowledge is worthless..
>
> Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh?
>
> The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most
> pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous
> offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you.
Well said.
> You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by
> failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here)
> which would give your imagination wings.
>
> Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of
> the Body Snatchers_:
>
> "Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know"
Okay, Del, so Michael was being unfair, but you are being unfair back.
He is taking college courses now, I presume he is studying hard, and
his postings reveal that he is *somewhat* hip to the technical issues
of astronautics. Plus, he is attentively following the erudite
discourse of the Big Brains who post to sci.space; is it not
inevitable that he will get a splendid technical education from
reading the likes of you and me? [1]
Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a
fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up
fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a
technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an
assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day...
(-:
[1] Though rumors persist that Del and I are both pseudonyms of Fred
McCall.
Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | "We'll see you
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | at White Sands in June.
Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | You bring your view-graphs,
Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | and I'll bring my rocketship."
SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | --Col. Pete Worden on the DC-X
|
9276 | From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|
|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such
|a nice boy at RCR I too.
And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | -- Universally feared
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | Denizen warcry.
|
9277 | From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Lines: 33
Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
In article <15378@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
> From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
>
> Male sex survey: Gay activity low
>
> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
> examination of American men's sexual practices published since
> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
Actually, what the study shows is that 2 percent of the men surveyed
*said* they engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent *said* they
considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
The point being that what people say and what they acutally do
may be different.
It is interesting that this clip from the newspaper did not
mention that difference. Maybe it is conservative media bias. :-)
> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday
> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than
> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional
> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
|
9278 | From: ridout@bink.plk.af.mil (Brian S. Ridout)
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP!
Organization: Air Force Phillips Lab.
Lines: 23
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bink.plk.af.mil
In article <1993Apr15.134802.21995@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) writes:
|> Has anyone got multiverse to work ?
|>
|> I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation.
|>
|> There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing
|> (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed
|> setting to static - else the client core-dumped)
|>
|> Steve
|> --
|>
|> Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts
|> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus
|> | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street
|> | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | "rum ruff splat" | Newbury
|> | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire
|> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England
|> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer
I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects
into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy.
All in all Cool!.
Brian
|
9279 | Organization: Penn State University
From: Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings
Distribution: inet
<1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> <s106275.734980377@ee.tut.fi>
Lines: 12
In article <s106275.734980377@ee.tut.fi>, s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) says:
>
>In <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes:
>
>>I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain
>>why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so.
>
>I think it's simply because DOS doesn't use the IRQ for anything. OS/2 does,
>so with that you can't share the IRQ.
>
That is correct. in DOS you can use IRQ 7 for your SB.You can't do
that under OS/2 because it uses IRQ 7 for the printer
|
9280 | From: gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas)
Subject: Re: Playoff predictions
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Lines: 53
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>1st round:
>----------
>PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4.
>WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6.
>BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5.
>QUE vs MON: MON in 7.
I'd have to take Quebec in 6.
>CHI vs STL: CHI in 4.
Hawks will win, but it will take 5.
>DET vs TOR: DET in 6.
>VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6.
>CAL vs LA: CAL in 5.
Cal in 7.
>2nd round:
>----------
>PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4.
>BOS vs MON: BOS in 6.
Boston will beat Quebec in 6.
>CHI vs DET: CHI in 7.
>WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5.
>3rd round:
>----------
>PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5.
Pitt in 6. The Bruins arent a pushover.
>CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5.
The hawks havent had problems with them all year. Yep, I agree.
>Finals:
>------
>PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5.
Unless the Hawks can somehow change fate, you're right.
Who knows, though. Maybe some intensive forechecking aka normal Hawks
style will nullify a seemingly unbeatable team. Maybe the Pens are due
for a let-down. Hell, how could they _possibly_ extend their record
making play all the way through the playoffs.?
>=============================================
>Walter
--
//Damien Endemyr the Unpure Knight of Doom //
//"So I've acquired a taste for blood and have adopted a nocturnal //
//lifestyle. That Doesnt mean I'm a vampire....." //
|
9281 | From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 8
The San Francisco Examiner reports that Clinton has issued instructions
to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to
resolve the Waco situation. So they've built a fence around the compound,
and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison-camp
levels, pulling out most of the manpower, and waiting however many months
it takes.
John Nagle
|
9282 | From: dmmatt@cajun
Subject: Re: Need Windows-logo
Lines: 19
Organization: Monsanto Company
In article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes:
> Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote:
> : Hi,
>
> : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u
> : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,...
>
> C:\windows\system\vgalogo.rle. If my memory serves me correctly,
> *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format.
>
An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how
many other programs.
--
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
|
9283 | From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber)
Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES
Lines: 38
pwhite@empros.com (Peter White) relates a story about a person who
gives a message in tongues which consists entirely of the words pu'
ka. He was asked to refrain from doing that.
>Well, Brother Puka controlled himself for a while, but a few weeks
>later, the church had invited a missionary in to speak. At the time of
>the meeting where tongues and interpretation were appropriate, who
>should arise to speak but Brother Puka. And off he went as before,
>all the words were Puka. The pastor was about to apologize for this
>embarrassment when the missionary arose to speak saying that he
>was sorry that he did not have the interpretation but that he could
>give the translation. In a tribe where he had worked, they only had
>one word in the language, puka. Meaning was derived from the inflection
>and other voice qualities. Brother Puka had given a perfectly inflected
>and reasonable message.
Nice story but it sets off my urban legend (or is it charismatic
legend?) alarms. Can the linguists on the net identify the language
from the description? Or can they even attest that such a language
exists. It seems to be odd enough (at least by the standards of
European languages) that if it exists, it should be reasonably well
known to linguists as an extreme case of something or other.
Or have I just overreacted to your basic shaggy dog story?
Will
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| But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox |
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9284 | From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 71
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
In article <1r27vo$425@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:
>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>:mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:
>:
>:According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off
>:began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh
>:had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound.
>:These were the "perfect children" resulting from the "great seed" of
>:his "magnified horn". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar
>:to the way Jim Jones has been described.
>
>I don't know how accurate the documentary was;
The documentary interviewed Koresh and current and ex-members.
The documentary disucussed Koresh's "Christ" status inside the cult,
cult brain-washing techniques, and unusual sex practices (the leader
gets any he wants, and tells others when they can or can't). I will let
others decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is
technically child abuse or not.
>however, Koresh was never
>convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for
>child abuse.
>Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations,
All true.
>so this information is irrelevant to the discussion.
Well, if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult, then the
history and background of the cult is very relevant. The history
and backgournd of the Jones cult was very important in understanding
what happened at Jonestown.
Not taking into account the history and background of Koresh's cult may
also help explain why the FBI and BATF so badly predicted the reponses
they would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in
this badly handled affair.
>:FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background
>:checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their
>:decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill
>:Koresh's own prophecy?
>
>Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether
>their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who
>is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds
>meaning for the nine who survived.
It is likely that there will be at least two investigations (JD and congress)
at this point.
>:>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far,
>:>no one else has been able to talk to them.
>:
>:So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same
>:details, will you believe them?
>
>*IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then,
>however.
Interesting and conflicting details are starting to come out. I have
reverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional
or accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast.
>
>Mike Ruff
>--
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9285 | From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful
Summary: Buckets of blood pouring from peoples' heads!
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Lines: 46
brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
| If Clipper comes to cellular phones along with legal proscriptions against
| using other cipher systems on these phones, a new and potentially dangerous
| class of crime is created.
|
| Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications
| (specifically the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow
| cite as threats) will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a
| legitimate user, and to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery
| of compromise of the device will be delayed.
Yow - get some sleep Brad! You mean that people (i.e. life-is-cheap
terrorists & drug-dealing warlords) who want to communicate in privacy will
prefer to break into my house, kill or kidnap me, and steal my telephone,
rather than:
- Spending $15 at K-mart to buy a new phone.
- Purchasing a load of phones from the black market / flea market /
super market.
- Talking (*gasp*) face-to-face.
- Walking down to any one of millions of pay phones.
- Using messengers.
- Going to excruciating effort to think of code phrases like "I had
a blowout on the freeway today".
Look, this system does nothing to threaten folks who _know_ they're
being wiretapped, since it's trivial to find other avenues of communication;
they'd have no reason to resort to extreme measures, since a plethora of
simple alternatives are easily available to them.
Among all the legitimate reasons to damn the proposed system, I don't
think we need to worry about terrorist commie drug warlord assasin thugs
murdering our families, kicking the dog and leaving the toilet seat up just
to steal a $15 telephone. The system is more like urine testing: it
catches some small number of very stupid people, has no effect on the "bad
guys" with at least three neurons working in unison who wish to subvert it,
and penalizes most heavily those who have no cause to be subject to it.
______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com Santa Clara, California
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9286 | Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no
From: Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Change of name ??
In-Reply-To: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)'s message of Wed, 21
Apr 1993 01:54:51 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
<93864@hydra.gatech.EDU>
<POPOVICH.93Apr20205451@prince.cs.columbia.edu>
Lines: 37
Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no
How we survived ww2:
We mailed postings about things we didn't know any thing about
to ONLY the wrong places.
I'm NOT trying to censor this or any newsgroup, I'm just trying to
give some hints about OTHER newsgroups.
Doesn't this belong to alt.conspiracy ??
NOTE!!!
My posting was in reply to those about FBI torching the plasce after
filling it with napalm, and arrested people dissapering.
>We all know what a quisling is, right?
Obviously we don't.....
Vidkun Quisling is known to be a traitor in Norway, not a 'censor'.
If I have betrayed my country (Norway) bescause I implied that som of
you jumped to conclusions/sound a little paranoid then I think there
is a LOT of quislings in Norway.......
About Waco
It looks to me as the BATF and FBI can't handle situations like this.
The way it went reminds me of 'stun' bomb beeing dropped on a house
in LA from a helicopter. (Whole block went up in flames, 5 died...)
It doesn't HAVE to be a conspiracy, MAYBE they just screwed up ???
This is not a .signature.
It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
and to bring down the evil Internet.
Thomas Parsli
thomasp@ifi.uio.no
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9287 | From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)
Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor
Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu
Lines: 16
In <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:
>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver?
>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently
>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered
>if anyone else had seen this.
Sporadically, yes. It seems to flicker, or change shape into snow
briefly. Not enough to impair functionality, just call attention to
Diamond's professional sloppiness.
Rob
--
Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish
light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the
spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control.....
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9288 | From: rubery@saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com. (Dan Rubery)
Subject: Graphic Formats
Organization: TASC
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com
I am writing some utilies to convert Regis and Tektonic esacpe sequences
into some useful formats. I would rather not have to goto a bitmap format.
I can convert them to Window Meta FIles easily enough, but I would rather
convert them to Corel Draw, .CDR, or MS Power Point, .PPT, files.
Microsoft would not give me the format. I was wondering if anybody out
there knows the formats for these two applications.
|
9289 | From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 39
ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
>In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says:
>>
>>ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the
>>Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is
>>the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis.
>>
> Just wondering, do you mean the "Lectorium Rosicrucianum"?
>Warning: There is no point in arguing who's "legit" and who's not. *WHICH*
>Golden Dawn are you talking about?
No, I don't mean the LR, whatever that is. As for which GD, I'm using _The
Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic_ as my source, so (unless Regardie is
lying) I'm pulling the name out the the original order's rituals. The
multiple modern groups are part of why I through in the comment about all
the "spin-offs".
> Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation)
>I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas
>Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn.,
As a member of the Religious Society of Friends (my membership is in the
Urbana-Champaign (IL) Friends Meeting) I find that amusingly ironic. :)
> Any takers? :-)
Not me--I don't want to belong to *anything* which runs around claiming to
be the TRUE whatever. I find that disgusting. :(
Enjoy the journey!
--Br'anArthur
Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
******************************************************************************
Closed minds don't want to know. --JJObermark
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9290 | From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Lines: 25
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
> --From the latest issue of AutoWeek, the Chevy Impala SS will arrive in
> dealer showrooms in mid-1994. Dealers have already been notified. No word
> on the changes to be made for the production version. My question to all of
> you is would you buy it? And how much would you pay for it?
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.
>
> --
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint
Alright GM!!!! Finally my wishes have come true, Moby Dick with a Corvette
engine. DOn't you think they should maybe spend the money doing something
about the lousy build/quality/design of their bigger selling cars? This is
another example of why GM is in so much trouble. If you're going to stick
the LT-1 or ZR-1 engine in a car, at least make it a nice looking one.
Sheesh
.
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9291 | From: schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu (Erich Schwarz)
Subject: Re: 19th Century Capitalism
Organization: CalTech, Div. of Biology
Lines: 38
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anise.bio.caltech.edu
In article <31MAR199317363332@jane.uh.edu>, mece3d@jane.uh.edu (Chris
Struble) wrote:
Christian Struble writes:
> Some people are not very good at getting the best deal for their
> effort, and others are unwilling to put forth much effort, even in
> the face of economic incentives. There will always be some people
> who are stupid or lazy, relative to the ability or effort of most
> others. The question is what do you do with them? There are three
> options:
> [...]
> 2) Kill those who are not productive as a drain upon "society".
> This is the communist ("All who do not toil shall not eat" -
> Lenin) or fascist approach.
> [...]
You're being too generous to the communists, I think. In practice,
communism has "solved" the problem by killing off anybody who is _too_
productive, and who therefore raises embarrassing questions about why the
rest of the group is a bunch of sluggards. The mass butchery of "kulaks"
in the USSR is a good instance of this.
A poor second best is to have a neighboring capitalist country to which
people of politically incorrect skill and ambition flee. I often wonder
just what Castro would have done if the Cubans presently in Miami would
have been forced to remain in Cuba. Would they have revolted and killed
him off, or been killed?
Best of all is to build a wall locking the citizens of your country in,
load it up so heavily with attack dogs, barbed wire, and land mines that
most people fleeing over it die, and then give everyone the choice of
obedience, prison, or flight. This would be a bad science-fiction novel,
if the East Germans hadn't actually done it. The last person to die
crossing the wall, as I recall, was an unarmed woman who was shot in the
back. Erich Honecker was going to go on trial for that, but he fled to
socialists in Chile.
It's good to be kind to one's intellectual opponents, but sometimes
it's a sheer waste of time.
--Erich Schwarz / schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu
|
9292 | From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich)
Subject: Re: Paxil (request)
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)
Lines: 5
I don't know much and in fact, have asked questions here
myself. My doctor told me that Paxil is a "cleaner" SRI in that
it produces fewer side effects. As to a comparison between
Zoloft and Prozac, I'm not able to remember what he said about
the differences between those two drugs. Sorry
|
9293 | From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: 1993 NL East Champion PHILLIES
Article-I.D.: usenet.C51J5C.AMx
Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 12
Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu
Robert C Hite writes
> Here are the projected lineups, benches, rotation and bullpen for
> the 1993 National League East Champion Philadelphia Phillies:
I think the only Phillies in effect here are Philly Blunts. Of course, if this
all becomes true, I'll be the first to smoke one myself.
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
|
9294 | From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Third party car antennas ...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Lines: 32
Since this posting, I've received no replies or followups, so I'm posting
here hoping for the feedback I didn't get in rec.audio.car:
article number - 9855
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Path: cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!vinlai
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Third party car antennas ...
Message-ID: <1993Apr13.202333.28657@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:23:33 GMT
I recently saw a particular third party antenna on a new Camry (not mine,
but it caught my interest) and a new 626. It seems to replace the
factory power antenna and is about a foot long made of plastic tubing. I
have seen them on quite a few cars, but I can't find anything more about
them in previous r.a.c articles nor in r.a articles.
I'd like to know all I can, so any feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Vincent Lai
vinlai@cbnewsb.att.com forwards mail to
vlai@attmail.com which eventually winds up in
wcmnja!lai@somerset.att.com
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9295 | From: jer@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (rathmann,janice e)
Subject: Re: eye dominance
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Lines: 40
In article <1993Apr19.171938.17930@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
> In article <19671@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> >In article <C5E2G7.877@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
> >>
> >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an
> >>overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most
> >>people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the
> >>other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this?
> >
> >There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the
> >same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however.
>
> I recall reading/seeing that former baseball star Chris Chambliss' hitting
> abilities were (in part) attributed to a combination of left-handedness &
> right-eye dominance.
I was part of a study a few years ago at the University of Arizona to
see whether cross dominant individuals (those with a particular handedness
but who had dominance in the opposite eye) were better hitters than
those with same side dominance of hand and eye. I was picked from
my softball class because I was cross dominant (right hand, left eye)
which put me in a small minority (and the grad student was trying to get
an equal number of cross dominant and same side dominant people). To
control the study, she used a pitching machine - fast pitch. Since
I was used to slow pitch, I didn't come close (actually I think
I foul tipped a few) to hitting the ball. If there were a lot of people
like me in her study (i.e., those who can't hit fast pitch, or are
not used to hitting off a machine), I would seriously question the
results of that study!! I think there have been some studies of major
league players (across a fairly large cross section of players) to test
whether eye dominance being the same or opposite side was "better" -
but I don't know the results. (The woman who ran the study I was in
said that there was a higher incidence of crossdominance in major
leaguers than across the general population - but I'm not sure
whether I'd believe her.)
Janice Rathmann
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9296 | From: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
Lines: 37
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
In article <15APR199315012030@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:
> In article <1993Apr15.094320.1723@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes...
>>> > So how close would the comet have gotten to Jupiter on the pass that
>>> > put it into temporary orbit, and how far is it likely to get from
>>> > Jupiter before it makes its escape?
>>>
>>> The answer to all of these questions is we don't know yet.
>>> We don't know for sure if the comet is in a temporary orbit.
>>
>>I see. I wasn't so interested in this particular case as in typical
>>behavior, anyway. Can these questions be answered for a previous
>>instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting?
>
> Gehrels 3 was in a temporary Jovian orbit for about 3 or 4 years. I'll
> get the orbital elements from Dance of the Planets and post them here.
Sorry folks, I should have done this, and meant to just after i hit the
send key...
Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files)
p(au) 3.424346
e 0.151899
i 1.0988
cap_omega(0) 243.5652
W(0) 231.1607
epoch 1977.04110
Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were:
April 1973 83 jupiter radii
August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii
Hope this helps...I'm even less of an orbital mechanic than I am an artist.
John Garland
jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca
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9297 | From: gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Gloege)
Subject: OTTOMENU ... Where Can I Get it ?
Originator: gloege@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Lines: 22
I've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop
on Windows 3.0/3.1 .
Can anybody tell me where I can get it ?
It should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not.
It is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other
sites.
Just post it or mail me.
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Andreas Gloege
Kazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann)
8000 Muenchen 2
089/508336
email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
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9298 | From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Anybody tape Daytona?
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Lines: 13
In article <C5L5Fy.GH9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W
Olszowy) writes:
> I haven't seen anything about it yet, but if it's already been mentioned I'm
> sorry for the repost. Anyways, TNN is showing Daytona on Sunday April 18
> at 7:00pm to 8:30pm (EST). Don't miss it. It's got a hell of a finish!
Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN. Has
anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they
watch it? I would be most greatful.
--
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Jon Wright "Now how the hell did Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823 THAT come outa my mouth?" '86 VFR700f2
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9299 | From: JDB1145@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic
Organization: Texas A&M University
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu
In article <65934@mimsy.umd.edu>
mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>
>Nanci Ann Miller writes:
>
]The "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the
]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text
]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This
]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner
]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies.
Tell it to King James, mate.
]C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
] + but strife closed in the sod.
]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
John Burke, jdb1145@summa.tamu.edu
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