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9300 | From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman)
Subject: help with no docs for motherboard
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 1
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9301 | From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
Lines: 24
One presumes the system could work as follows:
a) Blank clips are manufactured by Mykotronx and VLSI. The number
produced is carefully audited and they are shipped to the first
escrow house.
It programs the chips with its half the key, and prints out a paper slip
with the key half and non-secret chip serial number. The reams of paper
are filed in locked boxes in the vault, a fuse is burnt in the chip so
that the key is now unreadable.
The chip then goes to the next escrow house, where the same thing is
done. This continues through N escrow houses, perhaps, could be more than
2.
The last one provides the chip to the cellular phone maker.
And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost
impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean
that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the
general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular
implementation known as RSA.
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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9302 | Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Subject: Re: Monitor for LCIII
Lines: 21
Jeff,
I have answers to both of your questions. First, I recommend the Sony
CPD-1320 monitor. It is a 14" Trinitron VGA monitor, but it is designed
specifically for use with the LC. It works only with Macs with specific video
capabilities which means only the LC's and anything after the ci. All it
takes is a MAC<->VGA cable (I recommend one from James Engineering which is
about $20). These cost about $335 as compared to the much higher prices of
comparable monitors because they are not multisynch. I have used one for half
a year and I love it.
Second, I have used Syex and found them to be decent. I had a backorder on a
Supra modem which I cancelled. They were helpful in explaining the reasons
why there were delays and they had Supra's number ready for me. The only
complaint was that they did not always return my calls.
I have been told that the CPD-1320 is selling for $339 from J&R's
(800)221-8180. I think Syex is a little more, but I don't know.
-David
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
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9303 | From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: nuclear waste
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Lines: 32
In <1pp6reINNonl@phantom.gatech.edu> matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes:
>In article <841@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:
>> Well this pretty much says it. I have gotten alot of replys to this
>>and it looks like oil is only on Earth. So if those greedy little oil companys
>>who obviously don't give **** about it uses up all the oil then that leaves us
>>high a dry.
>Greedy little oil companies? Don't blame them; oil companies just supply the
>demand created by you, me, and just about everyone else on the planet. If we
>run out, its all our faults.
He also ignores a few other things. While organics would become
significantly more expensive were all the oil to disappear (and thus
some things would no longer be economically feasible), oil is hardly
an irreplaceable resource any more than most other consumables. As
supply decreases, prices rise and alternatives become more
competetive. He also needs to consider that there has been an
estimated 30 years of reserves pretty much as long as anyone has cared
about petroleum; whatever the current usage rate is, we always seem to
have about a 30 year reserve that we know about.
[I'm not sure that last figure is still true -- we tend not to look as
hard when prices are comparatively cheap -- but it was certainly true
during hte 'oil crisis' days of the 70's.]
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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9304 | From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Lines: 23
In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
;
;>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
;>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
;>other, from what I can tell.
;
; When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!
The problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can't recognize
each other's waves. When you're riding a cruiser, you "wave"
by lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without
first removing that hand from the handlebar. When you're
riding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about
ankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave.
Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
when they're waving.
---
chris
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9305 | From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Subject: PR Campaign Against Iran (PBS Frontline)
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Lines: 51
Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu
There have been a number of articles on the PBS frontline program
about Iranian bomb. Here is my $0.02 on this and related subjects.
One is curious to know the real reasons behind this and related
public relations campaign about Iran in recent months. These include:
1) Attempts to implicate Iran in the bombing of the New York Trade
Center. Despite great efforts in this direction they have not
succeeded in this. They, however, have indirectly created
the impression that Iran is behind the rise of fundamentalist
Islamic movements and thus are indirectly implicated in this matter.
2) Public statements by the Secretary of State Christoffer and
other official sources regarding Iran being a terrorist and
outlaw state.
3) And finally the recent broadcast of the Frontline program. I
suspect that this PR campaign against Iran will continue and
perhaps intensify.
Why this increased pressure on Iran? A number of factors may have
been behind this. These include:
1) The rise of Islamic movements in North-Africa and radical
Hamas movement in the Israeli occupied territories. This
movement is basically anti-western and is not necessarily
fueled by Iran. The cause for accelerated pace of this
movement is probably the Gulf War which sought to return
colonial Shieks and Amirs to their throne in the name of
democracy and freedom. Also, the obvious support of Algerian
military coup against the democratically elected Algerian
Islamic Front which clearly exposed the democracy myth.
A further cause of this may be the daily broadcast of the news
on the slaughter of Bosnian Moslems.
2) Possible future implications of this movement in Saudi Arabia
and other US client states and endangerment of the cheap oil
sources from this region.
3) A need to create an enemy as an excuse for huge defense
expenditures. This has become necessary after the demise of
Soveit Union.
The recent PR campaign against Iran, however, seems to be directed
from Israel rather than Washington. There is no fundamental conflict
of interest between Iran and the US and in my opinion, it is in the
interest of both countries to affect reestablishment of normal
and friendly relations. This may have a moderating effect on the
rise of radical movements within the Islamic world and Iran .
--jamshid
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9306 | Distribution: world
From: Jim_Chow@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: EdgeWays!
Subject: Re: ThunderScan - got a spare ImageWriter cover?
Lines: 21
>Anyone have the replacement cover needed to use ThunderScan
>with an ImageWriter I? Or can I fool the printer into
>working without its own cover by sticking a suitable
>magnet into its cover-sensor?
>Thanks for any help,
>Ralph
The magnet trick will work. Be careful when you apply the white tape to the
rubber carriage roller, it tells the scanner where the edge is and it can come
off.
Jim
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9307 | From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg)
Subject: Re: Eugenics
Keywords: gene pool; wisdom; virtue
Nntp-Posting-Host: naples.med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Lines: 84
Subject: Re: Eugenics
(Gordon Banks) writes:
/
;Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible.
;Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will
;then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic
;engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want.
;No breeding, no "hybrids", etc. The ethical question is, should
;we?
Two past problems with eugenics have been
1) reducing the gene pool and
2) defining the status of the eugenized.
Inserting genes would not seem to reduce the gene pool unless the inserted
genes later became transmissible to progeny. Then they may be able to
crowd out "garbage genes." This may in the future become possible. Even if
it does, awareness of the need to maintain the gene pool would hopefully
mean provisions will be made for saving genes that may come in handy
later. Evidently the genes for sickle cell disease in equatorial Africa
and for diabetes in the Hopi *promoted* survival in some conditions. We
don't really know what the future may hold for our environment. The
reduced wilderness- and disease-survival capacity of our relatively inbred
domesticated animals comes to mind. Vulcanism, nuclear winter, ice age,
meteor impact, new microbiological threats, famine, global warming, etc.,
etc., are all conceivable. Therefore, having as many genes as possible
available is a good strategy for species survival.
Of course, the status of genetically altered individuals would start out
as no different than anyone else's. But if we could make
"philosopher-kings" with great bodies and long lives, would we (or they)
want to give them elevated status? We could. The Romans did it with their
kings *without* the benefits of such eugenics. The race eventually
realized and dealt with the problems which that caused, but for a while,
it was a problem. Orwell introduced us to the notion of what might happen
to persons genetically altered for more menial tasks. But there is nothing
new under the sun. We treated slaves the same way for millennia before
"1984."
I see no inherent problem with gene therapy which avoids at least these 2
problems. Humans have always had trouble having the virtue and wisdom to
use any power that falls into their hands to good ends all the time. That
hasn't stopped the race as a whole yet. Many are the civilizations which
have died from inability to adapt to environmental change. However, also
many are the civilizations which have died from the abuse of their own
power. The ones which survived have hopefully learned a lesson from the
fates of others, and have survived by making better choices when their
turns came.
Not that I don't think that this gene altering power couldn't wipe us off
the face of the earth or cause endless suffering. Nuclear power or global
warming or whatever could and may still do that, too.
The real issue is an issue of wisdom and virtue. I personally don't think
man has enough wisdom and virtue to pull this next challenge off any
better than he did the for last few. We, as eugenists, may make it, an we
may not. If we don't, I hope there are reservoirs of "garbage" people out
in some backwater with otherwise long discarded "garbage" genes which will
pull us through.
I believe that the real problem is and will probably always be the same.
Man needs to accept input from the great spirit of God to overcome his
lacks in the area of knowing how to use the power he has. Some men have,
and I believe all men may, listen to and obey the still small voice of God
in their hearts. This is the way to begin to recieve the wisdom and virtue
needed to escape the problems consequent to poor choices. Peoples have
died out for many reasons. The societies which failed to accept enough
input from God to safely use the power they had developed have destroyed
themselves, and often others in the process. It is self-evident that the
ones which survive today have either accepted enough input from the Spirit
to use their powers wisely enough to avoid or survive their own mistakes
thus far, or else haven't had enough power for long enough.
In summary, I would say that the question of whether to use this new
technology is really an ancient one. And the answer, in some ways hard, in
some ways easy, is the same ancient answer. It isn't the power, it is the
Spirit.
Sorry for the long post. Got carried away.
Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu)
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9308 | From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Lines: 28
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com
In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
|>
|> There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report
|> on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the
|> Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis
|> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.
|> So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine.
|> They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine.
Please list the names of some of those neutral reporters that were killed
in the "O.T.". It is also interesting to note that at the outbreak of
the intifada, palestinian parties quickly began orchestrating their
demonstrations for the benefit of the media. Having spoken to a Danish
reporter who covered the initfada, I know of at least one case where
he found out that a "mass demonstration" on the outskirts of Gaza was
setup for himself and his colleagues. When I asked whether the footage
shot was sent he replied affirmatively, "after all, it did happen."
When this became the case, the IDF began closing sensitive trouble
spots to reporters.
|> Anas Omran
|>
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
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9309 | From: pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Paul Davies)
Subject: Help!! Video problems.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Lines: 13
I am using a 8507 IBM monitor (19" greysale) with a Trident (1MB) card.
The screen looks great (Windows) at 640x480 but total shit at 1024x768.
There are lots of lines and the image is sorta blurry.
Is there anything I can do. Do you think it is the monitor? I know
that it is Interlaced at that res but still.
thanks for the help
Paul Davies
pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
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9310 | From: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se (Daniel Piche)
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Reply-To: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Communication Inc.
Lines: 31
Nntp-Posting-Host: bison.lmc.ericsson.se
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.
In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>Michael Collingridge writes:
>
>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.
>
>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
>Pittsburgh?
>
>Mom.
Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New-York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne (you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they strip Wendel Clark of his capta
incy in Toronto ?
Just some updates and thoughts.
Cheer...
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Ericsson Communications Inc.
8400 Decarie Blvd, 1rd floor
Town of Mont Royal, Quebec. H4P 2N2
(514)-738-8300 ext. 2178.
E-mail: LMCDAPI@LMC.ERICSSON.SE
MEMOid: LMC.LMCDAPI
CHEERS.....
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9311 | From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)
Subject: Need some Graphics Help!
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 32
Help! I'm trying to program my VGA! I've got it working
with in pascal with the following routines for mode $13h
(320*200*256). I've got a VESA compatable Trident 8900C w/1meg
and need to program in 1024*768 mode. I don't care how many colors.
Could someone take this code and help me write 2 new procedures to
replace them so that it'll work in 1024*768*16 or 1024*768*256?
That'd be GREAT! Thanks...
Here is the code I currently have for 320*200*256 mode:
Procedure GraphMode;
Begin { VideoMode }
Asm
Mov AH,00
Mov AL,13h
Int 10h
End;
End; { VideoMode }
Procedure PlotPoint (x, y, c : Integer);
Begin
Mem[$A000:x+y*320]:=c;
End;
--
David
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9312 | From: lakshman@ms.uky.edu (Lakshman K)
Subject: Realtime X-tensions
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 8
Hi,
Iam looking for information on any work that deals with real-time
support in X-windows????!!
Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information
thanks
Lakshman
lakshman@ms.uky.edu
|
9313 | From: claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne)
Subject: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card?
Summary: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card?
Keywords: Video adaptor hardware graphics
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego
Lines: 5
Has anyone used the Number Nine (# 9) Video Graphics adaptor with Windows
or Windows NT? What do you think???
2
-- C --
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9314 | From: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor
Reply-To: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 27
In article <1993Apr16.145322.16378@nlm.nih.gov>, dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:
>>
>>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver?
>>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently
>>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered
>>if anyone else had seen this.
>>
>
>As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers.
>It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute
>or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I
>susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded
>a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted.
>Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components.
>It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well,
>I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it
>before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here
>usually are far more in the know.
>
>--Don Lindbergh
>dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
I haven't seen this particular problem, but another place you might
check is if your BIOS is doing video shadowing--Diamond wants that
turned off. That might cause a memory conflict as well. Good
luck. Hope this helps, Chris Loschen, Brandeis U.
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9315 | From: venky@engr.LaTech.edu (Venky M. Venkatachalam)
Subject: FAQ in comp.windows.x
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Lines: 6
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee11.engr.latech.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Is there any FAQ list for Programming in X windows?
Thankx for the info
bye
venky
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9316 | From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Lines: 11
I change login passwords every couple of months. I sure would suck if I had
to get a new sparc station everytime I wanted to do this. It seems that this
is what they expect you to do if you want to routinely change your password
on your phone. I'm sure the government contractor doesn't mind, but a system
where you can cheaply change keys (DES) has inherent security advantages,
regardless of the algorithms involved.
--
-Tim Cuffel Finger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination
of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals.
They failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas
trick only works once.
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9317 | From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson)
Subject: RE: survey
Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu
Keywords: survey,complaints
Yes, I know this is not Rec.music, (as someone has already pointed out, thanks I know that), I'm trying to get a random sample and also I'm desperate for respones.
So please, don't mail me complaining that it doesn't belong here or that it is wasting bandwidth.
This affects EVERYBODY not just readers of music groups. Please either complete the survey, or hit 'n', because I'll just bounce back complaints.
Thank you
-Matt
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* / \ # Matthew T. Thompson *
* /\ /| |\ # Electrical/Computer Engineering *
* / \/ |ETALLIC| \ # University of New Hampshire *
* \/ \/ # E-mail: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or my evil twin at *
* \ / # shazam@unh.edu *
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9318 | From: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: eye dominance
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Lines: 14
In article <19671@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <C5E2G7.877@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
>>
>>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an
>>overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most
>>people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the
>>other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this?
>
>There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the
>same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however.
I recall reading/seeing that former baseball star Chris Chambliss' hitting
abilities were (in part) attributed to a combination of left-handedness &
right-eye dominance.
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9319 | From: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu (John Horstman)
Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt
Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr15.181531.26088
Reply-To: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 38
Nntp-Posting-Host: dead.duc.auburn.edu
In article KKq@acsu.buffalo.edu, v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes...
>>
>>If the Penguins get out of the Patrick, they will win the
>>cup. However, their hardest task is to get out of that division.
>>I'm sure that Washington will most definitly throw a rench into the
>>Penguin plans. I'm a Canucks fan (not that I think much of their
>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY
>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup.
>
>I was under the impression that the Penguins has had the Caps number for
>most of the season.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>=============================================******>>
>>
>> Mathew Tasalloti
>> MPR Teltech Ltd.
>> Vancouver, BC, Canada
>>
>> <<******==================================================
>********************************************************************************
>Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on matters I have no
>concern over.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Go Islanders, Playoffs here we come
>Go Jets for '93
>********************************************************************************
And last year the Capitals had the Pens number up until about game 3 of the playoffs.
John Horstmann
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9320 | From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys)
Subject: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 39
Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't
have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
ignorant to know I need to buy)
2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in
about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a
motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
a difference)
3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?
4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a
state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then
get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about
learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence
and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could
teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either "do you live near a
field" or "do you have a friend with a pickup truck", the answers to both
of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for
the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs.
It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that
doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned?
Thanks for any replies in advance.
-Greg Humphreys
:wq
^^^
Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent)
--
Greg Humphreys | "This must be Thursday. I never
National Institutes of Health| could get the hang of Thursdays."
gregh@alw.nih.gov |
(301) 402-1817 | -Arthur Dent
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9321 | From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Lines: 45
In article <1993Apr16.210916.6958@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
|> I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably,
|> I should be.
For a brief, but pretty detailed account, try Hempel's _Philosophy of
Natural Science_.
|> I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising.
|> That's not what I'd quibble about. What I'd like to know are Toricelli's
|> reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons,
|> but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem. It may be
This smacks a bit of ideology -- the supposition being that Toricelli's
subsequent descriptions of his reasoning are not veridical. It gets dangerously
close to an unfalsifiable view of the history and methodology of science if
we deny that no subsequent reports of experimenters are reliable descriptions
of their "real" reasons.
|> impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if
|> it is so. One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone
|> rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has
|> discovered some surprising clues about their motivations. Pasteur never
|> publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are
|> right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for
|> anyone to read. And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous
|> reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at
|> a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim).
|>
|> Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the
|> fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right
|> in the end.
But my point is that this type of case is *not* a rarity. In fact, I was
going to point to Pasteur as yet another rather common example -- particularly
the studies on spontaneous generation and fermentation. I will readily
concede that "ridiculous reasons" can play an important role in how
scientists spend their time. But one should not confuse motivation with
methodology nor suppose that ridiculous reasons provide the impetus in the
majority of cases based on relatively infrequent anecdotal evidence.
--
Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
|
9322 | From: James_Jim_Frazier@cup.portal.com
Subject: 5.25" MO sectors/track?
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
Lines: 8
On an ISO/ANSI-standard 5.25" magneto-optical disc, how many sectors
are there per track (or disc revolution), and how many tracks per
disc?
Thanks,
Jim Frazier
73447.3113@compuserve.com
|
9323 | From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Billboard/Station/Space Dock?
Lines: 24
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Seems that the Mile-Long Billboard and any other inflateble space
object/station or what ever have the same problems. (other than being a little
bit different than the "normal" space ideas, such as trusses and shuttles)
But also dag and such.. Why not combine the discussion of how and fesibility to
the same topic?
I personnelly liek the idea of a billboard in space. But problem. How do you
service it? fly a shuttle/DC-1 to near it and then dismount and "fly" to it?
Or what?? or havign a special docking section for shuttle/DC-1 docking?
Also what if the billboard springs a leak? Self sealing and such??
Just thinking (okay rambling)..
Also why must the now inflated billboard, not be covered in the inside by a
harder substance (such as a polymer or other agent) and then the now "hard"
billboard would be a now giant docking structure/space dock/station??
Or am I missing something here.. (probably am!?)
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
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9324 | From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon)
Subject: Was Jesus Black?
Organization: BGSU
Lines: 43
The people who post to this particular newsgroup are either too cowardly,
too arrogant, or too apathetic to discuss this issue since I have yet to
see any discussion grace my computer screen. While it holds PARTICULAR
interest to the African-American community, everyone has something to gain
from discussing it. As any knowledgable person should know, Christianity
has been used in this country to tighten the spiritual, emotional, & mental
hold slavery placed on the minds, souls & hearts of African-Americans.
This was most effectively done by the display of white icons of Jesus in
slave churches to encourage the godly superiority of slaveowners. It
wasn't enough that the slaveowner was your provider, but he was also your
GOD, to be looked upon with unconditional love & loyalty and to be
worshipped with great pride. But how culturally & biblically accurate are
these icons? Pictures & statues of a Black Jesus have been found in
European countries, as that of a Black Madonna. But what about Biblical
physical descriptions of Jesus, His hair being compared to that of wool,
His feet to that of brass? And think about the area of the world where all
Biblical actions took place. I welcome all intelligent commentary on this
important topic; flamers need not reply.
Sherlette
P.S. I expect at least THIS type of response: "It doesn't matter what
color His skin was; His actions & what He did for mankind are what counts."
This is true; I am not questioning this. But He walked the earth for 3
decades as a HUMAN; this part of His existence intrigues me. And as for
saying that "it doesn't matter..." to a member of a physically emancipated
people who is still struggling for MENTAL emancipation, believe me: IT
MATTERS.
[The general attack on the members of this group seems unjustified.
There has been discussion of this issue in the past. We can't discuss
everything at once, so the fact that some specific thing hasn't been
discussed recently shouldn't be taken as a sign of general cowardice,
arrogance or apathy. In past discussions no one has been outraged by
suggestions that Jesus could be black (and it has been suggested by a
few scholars), but the concensus is that he was most likely Semitic.
As you probably know, there is a tradition that portrayals of Jesus in
art tends to show him as one of the people. Thus you wouldn't be
surprised to find African art showing him as black, and oriental art
showing him as oriental. There are good reasons relating to Christian
devotion to think of him in such a way. It's also good now and then
to have that image challenged, and to think of Jesus as being a member
of XXX, where XXX is the group you least respect. --clh]
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9325 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17
Summary: To the children of genocide: "Send them away into the Desert"
Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr6.115347.10660
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 145
The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17
To the children of genocide: "Send them away into the Desert"
This is part of a continuing series of articles containing official Turkish
wartime (WW1) governmental telegrams, in translation, entailing the orders
for the extermination of the Armenian people in Turkey. Generally, these
telegrams were issued by the Turkish Minister of the Interior, Talaat Pasha,
for example, we have the following set regarding children:
"To the Government of Aleppo.
November 5, 1915. We are informed that the little ones belonging to
the Armenians from Sivas, Mamuret-ul-Aziz, Diarbekir and Erzeroum
[hundreds of km distance from Aleppo] are adopted by certain Moslem
families and received as servants when they are left alone through
the death of their parents. We inform you that you are to collect
all such children in your province and send them to the places of
deportation, and also to give the necessary orders regarding this to
the people.
Minister of the Interior,
Talaat" [1]
"To the Government of Aleppo.
September 21, 1915. There is no need for an orphanage. It is not the
time to give way to sentiment and feed the orphans, prolonging their
lives. Send them away to the desert and inform us.
Minister of the Interior,
Talaat" [2]
"To the General Committee for settling and deportees.
November 26, 1915. There were more than four hundred children in the
orphanage. They will be added to the caravans and sent to their
places of exile.
Abdullahad Nuri. [3]
"To the Government of Aleppo.
January 15, 1916. We hear that certain orphanages which have been
opened receive also the children of the Armenians. Whether this is
done through the ignorance of our real purpose, or through contempt
of it, the Government will regard the feeding of such children or
any attempt to prolong their lives as an act entirely opposed to it
purpose, since it considers the survival of these children as
detrimental. I recommend that such children shall not be received
into the orphanages, and no attempts are to be made to establish
special orphanages for them.
Minister of the Interior,
Talaat." [4]
"To the Government of Aleppo.
Collect and keep only those orphans who cannot remember the tortures
to which their parents have been subjected. Send the rest away with
the caravans.
Minister of the Interior,
Talaat" [5]
"From the Ministry of the Interior to the Government of Aleppo.
At a time when there are thousands of Moslem refugees and the widows
of Shekid [fallen soldiers] are in need of food and protection, it is
not expedient to incur extra expenses by feeding the children left by
Armenians, who will serve no purpose except that of giving trouble
in the future. It is necessary that these children should be turned
out of your vilayet and sent with the caravans to the place of
deportation. Those that have been kept till now are also to be sent
away, in compliance with our previous orders, to Sivas.
Minister of the Interior,
Talaat" [6]
In 1926, Halide Edip (a pioneer Turkish nationalist) wrote in her memoirs
about a conversation with Talaat Pasha, verifying and "rationalizing" this
ultra-national fascist anti-Armenian mentality, the following:
"I have the conviction that as long as a nation does the best for
its own interest, and succeeds, the world admires it and thinks
it moral. I am ready to die for what I have done, and I know I
shall die for it." [7]
These telegrams were entered as unquestioned evidence during the 1923 trial of
Talaat Pasha's, assassin, Soghomon Tehlerian. The Turkish government never
questioned these "death march orders" until 1986, during a time when the world
was again reminded of the genocide of the Armenians.
For reasons known to those who study the psychology of genocide denial, the
Turkish government and their supporters in crime deny that such orders were
ever issued, and further claim that these telegrams were forgeries based on a
study by S. Orel and S. Yuca of the Turkish Historical Society.
If one were to examine the sample "authentic text" provided in the Turkish
Historical Society study and use their same forgery test on that sample, it
too would be a forgery!. In fact, if any of the tests delineated by the
Turkish Historical Society are performed an any piece of Ottoman Turkish or
Persian/Arabic script, one finds that anything handwritten in such language is
a forgery.
Today, the body of Talaat Pasha lies in a tomb on Liberty Hill, Istanbul,
Turkey, just next to the Yildiz University campus. The body of this genocide
architect was returned to Turkey from Germany during WW2 when Turkey was in a
heightened state of proto-fascism. Recently, this monument has served as a
focal point for anti-Armenianism in Turkey.
This monument represents the epitome of the Turkish government's pathological
denial of a clear historical event and is an insult to a people whose only
crime was to be born Armenian.
- - - references - - -
[1] _The Memoirs of Naim Bey_, Aram Andonian, 1919, pages 59-60
[2] ibid, page 60
[3] ibid, page 60
[4] ibid, page 61
[5] ibid, page 61
[6] ibid, page 62
[7] _Memoirs of Halide Edip_, Halide Edip, The Century Press, New York (and
London), 1926, page 387
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
|
9326 | From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)
Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
"Paul Hager" <hagerp@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>The 2nd Amendment does say "keep and bear." If "bear" is defined to
>>mean "carry," then most people are physically unable to carry a several
>>hundred pound nuclear device.
>As I understand it, sub-kiloton nuclear demolitions are man-portable
>and carried in a backpack.
As I recall, in the 60's the Kennedy Administration had sub-kiloton
nuclear weapons withdrawn from Europe and destroyed. They were man-
portable and made for use in shoulder-mount rocket launchers. The
smallest nuclear test I've seen data for was a .1 (yes, one-tenth)
kiloton weapon tested either in the late 40's or early 50's.
aaron
arc@cco.caltech.edu
|
9327 | From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck)
Subject: Daily Verse
Lines: 4
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Romans 16:20
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9328 | From: mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller)
Subject: LC III NuBus Capable?
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info +1 313 998-4562)
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Forgive me if this has been asked before... but here goes:
My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is
such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and
ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them.
Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board?
Much obiliged,
Marvin
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|
9329 | From: dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer)
Subject: Re: Motherboard and BIOs
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccscola
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr6.152408.28341@news.unomaha.edu> hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes:
>Can someone please tell me where can I get the best deal for Micronics or AMI
>486-66 Motherboard with VL-BUS? You can reply to me thru e-mail or to this
>group.
>
I purchased a Super Voyager VLB 33Mhz board from Washburn & Company a month ago.
I don't have the mailing address-- Clyde Washburn advertises regularly in PC Week. He can also be reached via CompuServe. The phone number is
1-800-836-8027.
I think Washburn has very competitive prices compared to other AMI distributers,plus I liked the fact he's a EE that knows what he's talking about
concerning hardware, and he can be easily reached via CompuServe for non
critcle questions, and is very informative to his customers over the phone.
Regards
Dan Moyer
Dan.Moyer@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
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9330 | From: reid@ucs.indiana.edu (Frank Reid)
Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!!
Lines: 23
Nntp-Posting-Host: reid.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
In article <C5K5Co.F09@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
> Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
>
> Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
>A replica would be great I think.
>
> -TKH '93
The VW "Thing" Kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in Mexico and
possibly South America. Good luck importing one-- They probably don't meet
US safety and pollution requirements. There are mechanics and junkyards
which specialize in VW; they might be helpful for finding a "Thing" unless
the WWII re-enacters have grabbed them all.
The WWII Kubelwagen was the German equivalent of the Jeep, but was not 4-
wheel drive. One is on display at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, Kentucky,
also the rare "Schwimwagen" (sp?) amphibious version, in full-scale dioramas.
Highly recommended!
--
Frank reid@ucs.indiana.edu
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9331 | wiscon.weizmann.ac.il!jhsegal
Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child?
From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian Segal)
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center
Lines: 130
Well,I tried not to get involved in this never ending talk,but,man,I REALLY got
hot about this bullshit.
In article <1993Apr13.164305.701@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch writes:
>Hakim Abu Ahmed (cu304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>
>: in-reply-to: hm@cs.brown.edu's message
>: > zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) writes:
>
>: > steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:
>: > |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it
>: > |> take to kill a 5 year old native child?
>: > |>
>: > |> A: Four
>: > |>
>: > |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face,
>: > |> and one writes up a false report.
>: > |>
Making stupid and idiot jokes about soliders will not bring anything (not
mentioning peace or agreement). I also know several tens of jokes about arabs
(palestinians) but I DO NOT post them to Usenet (Anyway,not to THIS newsgroup),
since I don't think I will achieve any target but making other parts furious,and
this is NOT my target.
If this is your target...well...that tells a lot about you.
>: >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ?
Did you really think he is talking about something realistic?
>
>: >Harry.
>
>: You must be kidding ,this is not a single incident
>: now. This has become a daily life practice in Gazza
>: if you mean the killing of children by armed soldiers.
Yeah,well,sometimes,when cowards put their children and wives in the front line,
so their enemy cannot do anything,well,maybe in those cases,you have no better
thing to do (to save your life) than shooting. And if parents want their
children alive,I think it would be better that before they get out to throw
stones/molotov botlles,or when they come to kill soliders,to keep their children
in the houses.
>: If you are objecting the number of occupying israeli
>: soldiers (terrorists) or the way they do it , then
^^^^^^^^^^^^----\/
Look in the dictionary at the word "terrorism"! It
says: (nu) the use of threats of violence,and violence
esp for political purposes.
It sounds more like your guys...
>: I caan assure you that they do worse than that. Just as
Yeah? Well,I guess you were in there,and you know it all...
>: example 11 children were killed this month of Ramadhan
>: two of them by military vehicules. An other similar
>: incident by vehicule was the one of 25 Feb (4 Ramadhan)
>: where thee military truck on purpose hit a passenger
^^^^^^^^^^---\/
Where from do you know that it was "on purpose"?
Personally,I didn't hear about this case,although
I don't deny it.But how can ANYBODY,besides the
person itself,can say it was "on purpose"?
>: car where the victims were a 5 year girl Safa Sail
>: Bisharat
>: and Saamud Riyad a 2 weeks old babygirl.( + the 23
>: oldd Raajij Rouhy)
Yeah,sure.The truck driver looked in the car with his Zionist Equipment of
Detecting Palestinian Children,and then he thought to himself:Hey there is a
5 year and 2 weeks girls in the car.Why won't I make an accident and kill
the "enemy"? Maximum I will die too in the crash...But what do I care?...
>: --
>: Hakim.
>
>Actually, if can remember correctly, was it not reported and even on camera
>some time during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or when the itifada began,
>that CNN caught regular uniformed Israeli soldiers breaking the arms of
>some Arab youngsters in a very professional and brutal manner, (someone
>please give full details if they can remember). This is one of the few
Well,It was about 3 years ago ,in the Intifada (The fact that you can't
remember the time prooves how much do you care about it). I DO NOT think
that what the soliders did was correct. But I will not agree that they "were
breaking their arms".I saw that film,and,unlike in the USA,it was broadcasted
entirely not long ago (in a talk show) and at the end the "arm-broken" guys got
up and walked and used their arms very good. They guy who did it was interviewed
and he said he did it because the terrorist or whatever he was refused to take
his orders,and spitted in his face. What ammount of truth exist in this
statement I cannot tell you,because I wasn't there. But the guy who did it was
in prison,if it makes you any good.
>occassions on which such a scene has been transmitted to the West and
>in the USA ... it caused uproar and was one of the factors that has significantly
>changed the preception of the Israeli army's role in the mid-east.
No,it didn't. The Israeli army is still the most important army in the midlle
east.It is still the only human army(as much as an ARMY can be human).To any
American who will claim the opposite,I can only remember the CNN broadcasting
of the American Solider who beat a Somalian boy. It was very cruel to see.But
I won't say because of this that the American army is cruel.
>
>So there is proof for you! It is obvious that is a systematic policy of the
>Israelis which must be occurring on a massive scale behind the scenes.
Some kind of proof! "Obvious"? Where from? If you say it is behind the scenes,
how do you know about it?
>
>Nadeem
>
I just wanted to show how much garbadge one can say,without knowing ANYTHING
about what he says,and living a life far away from the place he talks about.
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9332 | From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 56
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) says:
>In article <1qhr73$a8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>(Broward Horne) says:
>> It sure does appear that way, doesn't it?
>
>The attitude that people are stupid if they don't agree with you is not
>going to bring you great success in life. Free advice, there.
HAHAHAHAHAH. Oh, CHRIST! Oh, HAHAHAHAH.
whew. Mark, what on EARTH makes you think I give a FUCK
about being a "success", particularly NOW when I'll just
the HELL taxed out of me? Oh, this is excellent.
Holy christ! :)
Besides, let's <ahem> examine the record, shall we?
Broward: " Clinton's going to taxe the HOLY FUCK out of you! "
Mark: " No, he's not. Only $17 / month "
( I STILL get a laugh out of this one! :) )
Broward: " Oh, here comes a National Sales Tax "
Clinton Supporter: " Oh, no, Bill never said that "
Want some more "free predictions" ?
:)
>> It always makes me smile, to see George Bush used to defend
>> Bill Clinton. Can you imagine anything sadder than to be left
>> with GEorge Bush as a final argument?
>
>True. The Republicans did look pretty pathetic in November of '92. >:-)
Yup. They surely did.
Almost as pathetic as Clinton suppoters are looking in
April of 93.
Well, chumbo, I see my my watch here that my "appointment"
at the lake is about 2 hours past due! :)
You'll let me know who the "full-time" working thing works
out, won't you? I want to enjoy EVERY minute of my free
time and FREE health care ( the ONLY reason I would have
gone back to working! :) THANKS, BILL! :) )
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9333 | From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz)
Subject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 101
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
SSRT ROLLOUT
Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden,
The Deputy for Technology, SDIO
Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach
April 3,1993
Most of you, as am I, are "children of the 1960's." We grew
up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles,
nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were
miracles of our parent's doing. For a decade and more the pundits
have told us - "you've lost it!" The "me" generation is only
living on the accomplishments of the past.
You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists. We
listen in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs. Living
history they are. We are privileged to hear those who did it tell
of it. A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as
General Bernie Schriever told of his team's work - and yes struggle
- to build this nation's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.
What stories can we tell? Blurry-eyed telescopes? Thousand
dollar toilet seats? Even our space launch vehicles hearken only
of that past great time. They are and seem destined to remain Gen.
Schriever's ICBMs. I find it hard to swell with pride that the
best new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and
Poseidon ballistic missiles.
Well - The pessimists are wrong. The legacy is continuing.
This event is proof. To our technological parents: We've listened
to your stories. We've caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit.
And we've learned from your achievements - and your mistakes. Let
me honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus
behind this history - Max Hunter. You are one of the greatest
engineers of the firts great age of space exploration. Your
insight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated
into today's most successful launch vehicle - The Delta.
You told us in the 60's that a new form of launch vehicle - a
single stage reusable rocket - can and should be built. You
advocated this idea tirelessly. It was elegantly simple, as are
all great breakthroughs. You showed us how to build it. You
convinced us it could be done. You are working by our side to weld
its components into place. Most important - you reminded us of a
prime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the
generation before you - the generation that built transcontinental
aviation in the 1920's and 30's - build a little and test a little
and Max, you passed all of this on to people like Pat Ladner who
started this program for the SDI.
Douglas Aircraft didn't start with a DC-10. They didn't even
start with a DC-3. Our grandfathers built a little, tested a
little - even sold a little and made a little money - before they
moved on to the next step. They didn't take a decade or more
before putting the first "rubber on the road." Max Hunter - you
didn't take ten years to build Thor, and by God we're not going to
take ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable
aerospace transportation is real.
We ended the cold war in a few short years. It took the same
team here today but a few years to show through the Strategic
Defense Initiative that the cold war must end. We - you and us -
launched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about
a year apiece. This, more than anything else signaled our
commitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet
Union. Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored
the importance of our work in bringing about a new international
relationship.
But it is the same team which is now putting in place the
framework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the
next generation. We will make space access routine and affordable.
We built this magnificent flying machine in two years. This
summer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the
first time. Then we can and surely will build in the next three
years a reusable sub-orbital rocket. It will allow us to use space
rapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can. And
yes - we'll make a little money off it too!
Then - and only then - we'll spend another three years to
build a fully reusable single stage to orbit system. The DC-3 of
space will be a reality! We may even be able to use some of the
rocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries.
What a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to
counter SDI merge to power mankind's next step to the stars!
To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to
the final answer. Robert Goddard's first rockets weren't Saturn
V's! If we succumb to the temptation to ask for just a few extra
dollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital
system - we will fail. Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the
way. Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket
exhausts. There is no short-cut. If we expect to reshape the
world again - we must do it one brick at a time. Minds on tasks at
hand!
This project is real. The torch of American technological
greatness is being passed. We are Americans. This machine is
American. Let's go fly it!
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9334 | From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my....
Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club
Lines: 84
In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to
>realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you
>just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a
[Warning: Flammage to follow...]
Ah, that British sense of humor. Probably got a real gut-buster going
when the IRA blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago, huh? Of course,
in Britain, your government has ordered you defenseless, so your way
of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims.
>pick-up truck in front of the car that my friend and I were in. It had a bumper
>sticker proclaiming "Gun Control is a firm grip on a .45." Now I'm sure that
>that wanker thought he was pretty cool.
I don't know about a .45. My own preference is for 9mm.
>What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and
>showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from
>originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a
>sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the
>first place! :)
Ah, Canada. Where the criminals don't bother with checking to see
if the victims are home. They just break on in. America's a little
different, you see. Criminals worry a bit more about getting shot,
so they more frequently check to see if anyone's home.
>I knew somebody else who went to one of your "Gun-mart" superstore places, just
>so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping
>carts! I didn't believe it myself until I drove by one in Vegas last year!!!
I've heard Gun World in Phoenix, Arizona, is fantastic! I'm hoping
to visit there myself soon.
>Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world
>perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American
>penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was
>called a "national eccentricity."
Ah, Britain again. Isn't that the place where you're guilty until
proven innocent? Tell me, Mr. "jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk" didn't Britain
come begging to us "gun nut morons" in the early 1940s for guns to
defend yourselves against Hitler? Seems as though your supposedly
enlightened government had disarmed you: "Aw chaps, you can jolly
give up your guns. If that Hitler man starts to threaten, we can
always hit up the Yanks for a few guns. They've got a bloody
eccentric habit about those guns, you know. Just hand in your
shotgun, that's it. Thank you."
>The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national
>eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the
>border.
Ain't it just amazing how those black markets work? Damn if those
drugs from south america keep coming over our borders, too, even
though we've banned them. Guess we might as well legalize them.
Makes you want to send fifty bucks to the Libertarian Party just
thinking about it, doesn't it?
>Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes
>against Brady and other evil "Liberal media" plots - you 're so damn funny!
>You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of
>why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling!
>
Your close-minded ignorance is without parallel. I guess that's what
happens when you're raised as a "subject" without rights. Your
type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you.
>Hell, I miss those NRA ads with Gerald McRainey now that I'm over here! Those
>were like Monty Python sketches!
Just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession.
Just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid
in court. "Hey mate, this is justice, British style."
Drew
--
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*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights ***
*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,
semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
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9335 | From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)
Lines: 14
Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
In article <1r1u5t$595@lm1.oryx.com>, xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes:
> : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
> : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the
> : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out
> : the rest the hard way.
> :
>
> Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns.
I suppose these illegal guns have been found? I suppose he was going to kill a
bunch of people with them?
--Ray Cote
There's no government like no government.
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9336 | From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer")
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 29
waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>
> > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the
> > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more
> > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you).
>
> Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's
> "qualifications" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany,
> show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that.
>
> > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII
> > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any
> > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is
> > not appreciated.
>
> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were
> tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against
> YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy
> sounding political term is yet another attempt to "cite qualifications"
> in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go
> back to the minors, junior.
All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many
others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are
so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks
for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of
ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since
I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could
write.
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9337 | From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson)
Subject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 38
{Dan Johnson asked for evidence that the most effective abuse
recovery programs involve meeting people's spiritual needs.
I responded:
In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps
involves acknowleding a "higher power". AA and other 12-step abuse-
recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.}
Dan Johnson clarified:
>What I was asking is this:
>
>Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery
>programs involve meetinsg peoples' spiritual needs, rather than
>merely attempting to fill peoples' spiritual needs as percieved
>by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy.
You are asking me to provide objective proof for the existence of
God. I never claimed to be able to do this; in fact I do not believe
that it is possible to do so. I consider the existence of God to
be a premise or assumption that underlies my philosophy of life.
It comes down to a matter of faith. If I weren't a Christian, I
would be an agnostic, but I have sufficient subjective evidence to
justify and sustain my relationship with God. Again this is a matter
of premises and assumptions. I assume that there is more to "life, the
universe and everything" than materialism; ie that spirituality exists.
This assumption answers the question about why I have apparent spiritual
needs. I find this assumption consistent with my subsequent observat-
ions. I then find that God fills these spiritual needs. But I cannot
objectively prove the difference between apparent filling of imagined
spiritual needs and real filling of real spiritual needs. Nor can I
prove to another person that _they_ have spiritual needs.
==
Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living,
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds,
| God will find his people busy
Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds.
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. |
I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan
|
9338 | From: akasacou@alfred.carleton.ca (Alexander Kasacous)
Subject: Re: Chrysler bailout
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 79
In article <1993Apr5.195216.27893@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) writes:
>
> Plug this one in- I'm a Conservative, I *hate* Pee-Cee's (although I
>have to use one at work), and am a proud owner of a NeXT Station.
>
>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler)
>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?
>--
You have just reminded me of an old Tom Paxton song...
I"M CHANGING MY NAME TO CHRYSLER
(Tom Paxton, 1980)
Oh the price of gold is rising out of sight
And the dollar is in sorry shape tonight
What the dollar used to get us
Now won't buy a head of lettus
No the economic forecast isn't right
But amidst the clouds I spot a shining ray
I caneven glimpse a new and better way
And I've devised a plan of action
Worked it down to the last fraction
And I'm going into action here today.
Chorus:
I am changing my name to Chrysler
I am going down to Washington D.C.
I will tell some power broker
What they did for Iacoca
Will be perfectly acceptable to me.
I am changing my name to Chrysler
I am heading for that great receiving line
So when they hand a million grand out
I'll be standing with my hand out
Yes sir I'll get mine
When my creditors are screaming for their dough
I'll be proud to tell them all where they can go
They won'y have to scream and holler
They'll all be paid to the last dollar
Where the endless streams of money seam to flow
I'll be glad to tell them all what they can do
Its just a matter of a simple form or two
It's not renumeration it's a liberal education
Ain't you kind of glad that I'm in debt to you
Chorus
Since the first first amphibians crawled out of the slime
We've been struggling in an unrelenting climb
We were hardly up and walking before money started talking
And it's sad failure is an awful crime
It's been that way for a millennium or two
But now it seems there's a different point of view
If you're a corporate titanic and your failure is gigantic
Down in congress there is a safety net for you.
Chorus...
Perhaps Steven Jobs should take Paxton's advice and change his name to
Chrysler, or perhaps set himself up as an S&L, maybe Neil Bush could
give him a hand?
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No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn...
J.Morrison
The opinions expressed above are mine. Like anyone else would
admit to them.
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9339 | From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch)
Subject: Re: HELP! Duo 230 problems
Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Lines: 76
bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes:
>chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes:
>> I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties.
>>If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep,
>>unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time.
>>(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.)
>>The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager
>>problem, but I don't know what to do about it.
>>Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise
>>is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands.
>I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both
>of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice
>in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were
>system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system
>seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to
>wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on
>the screen - it freezes.
>I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at
>startup.
>I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times
>already and finally they agreed something is astray after my
>Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by
>itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured
>twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in
>New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't
>afford to be without my Duo at this time.
>Anyone out there with these same problems?
>--
>Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com
> I
>AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253
>Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
Yes, quite a number of people it seems from discussions I've had (me
included). I bought my machine a couple of weeks ago as well and
started to experience these problems.
Apple Australia via my dealer said that this problem has a number of
potential causes - Faulty applications, faulty third party hardware
(modems, memory etc), system software, PRAM corruption and power
manager corruption, and the Duo hardware itself.
None of the above are relevant in my case except the last two maybe
(no applications were running, the system software was re-installed, I
have no additional hardware). I have found that clearing PRAM appears
to help for a while at least (hold down command option P and R on
startup). Unfortunately the problem returns suggesting that PRAM is
being corrupted by something (system software bug ? - I don't have any
non-issue inits in my system). Apparently the Power Manager can be
reset by "holding the reset and interrupt buttons while powering up" -
Apple's advice - but since the Duo does not have an interrupt button
I'm not sure what they mean in this case. This may also help if
someone can decipher Apple's advice for me.
Beyond this Apple suggest that " you should follow the technical
procedures to check the hardware of this Duo". Since so many others
appear to be having the same problem it would seem to me that there
has been a system software bug introduced somewhere along the line -
and quite recently too - since it only seems to be recent Duo 230
purchasers who have this problem.
Any more comments from others in the same boat are welcome,
particularly Apple Duo engineers :-)
cheers
brucet
--
bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers***
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9340 | From: alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!))
Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!
Organization: Longinus Software & Garden ov Delights
Lines: 27
In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
>
> Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have
>probably spent more time than you doing the same.
>
> None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the
>case.
Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that
AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin
off of AMORC??
i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this
claim.
>Study Harder,
Study Smarter, not Harder! :-)
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9341 | From: kastle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 8
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need
to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, please
take your thought elsewhere. Thanks.
--
: I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small :
: OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just :
: thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. :
: Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering :
|
9342 | From: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Subject: Q900 FP Errors? (was: Quadra 900/950 differences
Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
Lines: 16
X-Md4-Signature: 682f2f434b0ed4717bc807af66e9b5a4
rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes:
>
> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up
>some floating point calculations.
Does anyone have details on this? What sort of FP errors is
the Q900 sensitive to?
(My Q900 is having some strange problems with an FP intensive
program, getting a lot of DS15 (Segment Loader) errors. ThinkC5.0.4 and
System 7.0.1+)
--
Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC <Standard disclaimers>
UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...duke!wolves!ggw [use the maps!]
Domain: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu
[This site is *not* affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ]
|
9343 | From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Lines: 14
In article <Apr.11.01.02.34.1993.17784@athos.rutgers.edu> Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org writes:
I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do
have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a
pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior
who saw no problem with deforestation since we were "living in the
last days" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods
anyway?
--
Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!
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9344 | From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson)
Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 37
Tony Kidson (tony@morgan.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <oHZs2B2w164w@k5qwb.lonestar.org> lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org writes:
:
: >mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
: >
: >> In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter
: >> >
: >> >Just a thought of mine here:
: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1
: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V.
: >> >On-hook = LED on
: >> >Off-hook = LED off.
: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know.
: >>
: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the
: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook.
: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current.
: >
: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an
: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think
: >there's something wrong with the cable.
: >
:
: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when
: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the
: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on
: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector.
If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just
make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but
it's something like 100mA or more?)
Greggo.
Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca
Bell-Northern Resarch Inc., Ottawa Canada
"My opinions; not BNR's"
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9345 | From: schaefer@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew James Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Best Sportwriters...
Keywords: Sportswriters
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 31
In article <C5K7nK.7tv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Bighelmet) writes:
>csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
>
>
>>Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting???
>
>I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the
>Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a "Week in Review" column.
>He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual
>stats. He has a section called "Kinerisms of the Week" which are stupid
>lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest.
>That stands for "Last guy to get a hit." He also writes for Baseball
>America. That column is sort of a highlights of "Week in Review." If you
>can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh.
>
>Rob Koffler
Isn't Stark that idiot who writes in Baseball America? Twice a month he
writes a "Who woulda thunk it" article which is really the same piece
every time. "Who would have thought that [Buddy Biancalana] would have
more home runs than [the Colorado Rockies, Babe Ruth, Omar Vizquel and
Nolan Ryan] COMBINED!" He's an idiot, if it's the same guy.
>
>--
>******************************************************************
>|You live day to day and rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu|
>|dream about tomorrow --Don Henley |
>******************************************************************
Andrew
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9346 | From: billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 18
donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) writes:
>Radio Shack has canceled their "Battery of the Month" Club. Does
>anyone know why?
>They say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new
>cards will be issued.
I was told that this is an environmental based move. I was also told that
there will be 'somthing' else to replace the battery club. Like maybe
the 360K floppy club ;-).
We'll see ....
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* Bill Quinn billq@ms.uky.edu *
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9347 | From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio)
Subject: Re: What was Ray doing?
Nntp-Posting-Host: elba
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Lines: 22
daveb@thewho.East.Sun.COM (Dave Brewer) writes:
>In yesterday's fracus between Rob Ray and Brent Hughes, was it the camera angle or was
>Ray actually punching Hughes where it appeared he was punching him? (For those that didn't
>see the game - it was several inches below the belt and he punched him there quite a few
>times.) Dreadful.
>Also, why did Poulin get four minutes?
I've been watching & playing hockey for a good long time now, and
I've seen players with questionable tactics, but never have I seen
what Ray did on Sunday. This guy gets my all time loser award. It's
one thing to repeatedly cross check someone to the back of the neck
when they are down, it's another thing to have a fist fight with
someones balls. Ray should be thrown out of the league, what an
a**hole.
-Steve
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9348 | From: garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?)
Subject: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative
Summary: BUSH'S wiretapping initiative
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Keywords:
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Lines: 29
In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes...
> If you look through this newsgroup, you should be
> able to find Clinton's proposed "Wiretapping" Initiative
> for our computer networks and telephone systems.
>
> This 'initiative" has been up before Congress for at least
> the past 6 months, in the guise of the "FBI Wiretapping"
> bill.
I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for
6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative.
>
> I strongly urge you to begin considering your future.
> I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport
> in the mail soon.
>
> I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you
> have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while
> you are still able.
>
Have you?
>
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"This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com
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9349 | From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 21
Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se
In <Z2442B4w164w@cellar.org> tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes:
>> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
>> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
>>
>> Can you please offer some recommendations?
I think APDA has something called MacWireFrame which is a full
wire-frame (and supposedly hidden-line removal) library.
I think it weighs in at $99 (but I've been wrong on an order
of magnitude before)
>Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I can relate to that
/h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
"On a clear disc, you can seek forever."
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9350 | From: Alla V. Kotenko <avk@lst.msk.su>
Subject: SALE! MELITTIN (see letter)
Reply-To: avk@lst.msk.su
Organization: Laboratory Systems & Technology, Ltd.
Lines: 17
MELITTIN
In cooperation with the State Scientific Center on Antibiotics
we have elaborated our own technology of bee venom components isolation,
particularly melitin, using modern chromatographic eduipment by "Pharmacia"
and "Millipore" Companies, with application of only the materials, admitted
for manufacturing pharmaceutic production. High quality of our product is
acknowledged by the expertise of the Accredited test laboratory firm "Test"
v/o "Souzexpertisa" TPP RF.
íÅlittin - no less than 92% of the primary substance content.
Quantity:from 100 g up to 5 kg.
Date of manufacture: March 1993.
Price:2500 dol.USA per 1g.
Certificate:Is on sale
Adress:105094,Moscow,Semyenovskiy Val,10-a,
"BOST"Partnership Ltd.Tel/fax 194-86-04,369-46-68
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9351 | Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Denning's Trust)
From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)
Distribution: inet
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.
Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu
Lines: 33
In article <1ppg02$i2k@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
ear@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mr. Neat-O [tm]) writes:
>>
>>It is apparently quite easy to get hold of a person's calling records
>>through the phone company. Police (and some lawyers) are able to acquire
>>such information without any warrant or judicial supervision, whether or
>>not the target is suspected of specific crimes.
>
>Pardon me, but isn't this very illegal? I was under the impression that a
>warrent *is* needed to get this information out of the phone company in
>order to protect people's privacy.
Legal or not, I've seen it done. Phone records were obtained
in order to *establish* probable cause, rather than as a result of it.
In other words, for a fishing expedition.
> A local (Worcester, MA) police officer I
>spoke with only a couple of nights ago told me that they usually only
>subpeona the phone companies records in *extreme* conditions because it's so
>much of a hassle.
And does the phone company require written, subpoena-able evidence
of probable cause in order to process the request? I suggest that
the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case -- even if you
could prove the offender had called you at a certain time, your
chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence
are nil. My contact with several people who have dealt with cases
of extreme phone harassment (several thousand calls in one case) teaches
me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters.
Tal
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9352 | From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.
Lines: 70
In article <1r0hicINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes:
|> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9
|> and Deuteronomy 22:20-25:
|> : These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had
|> : expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a
|> : direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God
|> : is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable.
|> : Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to
|> : God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the
|> : age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is
|> : repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just
|> : for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile
|> : alike.
|>
|> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure
|> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several
|> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't
|> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the
|> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot:
|>
|> "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
|> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
|> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke
|> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is
|> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments
|> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of
|> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called
|> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your
|> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law,
|> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in
|> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking)
|>
|> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament
|> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so
|> much ;).
|>
|> Rob Lanphier
|> lanph872@uidaho.edu
I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for
the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to
all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of
Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made
obsolete by Jesus.
If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the
following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon
the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. If you'll notice, He
also reams into the Pharisees for mucking up the Law with their own contrived
interpretations. They knew every letter of the Law and followed it with their
heads but not their hearts. That is why He points out that our righteousness
must surpass that of the Pharisees in order to be accepted into the kingdom
of Heaven. People such as the Pharisees are those who really go out of their
way to debate about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.
They had become legalistic, rule-makers - religious lawyers who practiced the
letter of the Law but never really believed in it.
I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of
modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe
in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart?
Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's
perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will.
Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is their
choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
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9353 | From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Subject: Re: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu
In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>God is effectively limited in the same sense. He is all powerful, but
>He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what
>He, Himself is.
Cannot? Try, will not.
---
"One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that
say "Mom", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more
virile men."
Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )
April 4, 1993
The one TRUE Muslim left in the world.
|
9354 | From: ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar)
Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue
Distribution: na
Lines: 22
In article <C5217t.J5B@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>
> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level
> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office.
Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a
not-inconsiderable achievement.
While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that
reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in
SocSec taxes, which were *raised* a considerable amount, at the same time that
income taxes were cut. If you look at income tax revenue alone, it fell after
after the cuts began, and didn't recover for several years. By then, record
deficits were well entrenched.
>
> Chew on that awhile.
*crunch, crunch*
steve soar
|
9355 | From: phd85@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D.H. Holden)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Lines: 9
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk
From article <1qvjh9INNh4l@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff):
> NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!
Brilliant I like it!
--
Dave Holden Phys. Dept. | Email:
keele university. | phd85@uk.ac.keele.seq1
keele. staffs. England. |
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|
9356 | From: nenad%saturn@sdsu.EDU (Nenad Marovac)
Subject: C++ and C for OS/2
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 9
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Cc: nenad@saturn.SDSU.EDU
Hi folks,
]
Does anybody know for a good 32-bit C++/C compiler for OS/2 that supports
OS/2 API and Microsoft windows (maybe Windows NT)?
thanx
N. Marovac, SDSU
|
9357 | From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Subject: Idle questions for fellow atheists
Organization: Macalester College
Lines: 26
I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world
if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population.
It is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is
down so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as
well post something new myself.
Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a
higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The
typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the
same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the
other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn
somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core,
than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it
expresses its own selfishness.
Idle thoughts...
Adam
********************************************************************************
* Adam John Cooper "Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings *
* who thought themselves good simply because *
* acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws." *
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|
9358 | From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Subject: Mitsumi and SB Pro
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Lines: 18
Hi,
I just bought a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive and a SB Pro soundcard. The pin outs on
the CD-ROM line-out and the SB Pro CD-IN are not the same. I am considering
taking the RCA output jacks on the Mitsumi interface card and routing them to
the line-in input on the SB Pro. Will this work with multi-media software
that uses the CD-ROM and the SB Pro or do I need to go to the CD-IN pins on
the SB-Pro.
Thanks,
John
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| John Manning | Opinions expressed are my own. |
| j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com | I do not represent Digital Equip. |
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|
9359 | From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Lines: 34
In article <C5sJDp.F23@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is
>>enough to do it if the vehicle exists.
>Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough
>to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of
>course, they may be over-optimistic.
In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their
cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO
is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience
base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as
much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G
range.
>You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications
>that would help pay for its development costs.
True it and the contest would result in a much larger market. But I
don't think it would be enough to attract the investors given the
risks involved.
If you could gurantee the SSTO costs and gurantee that it captures
100% of the available launch market, then I think you could
do it.
Allen
--
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| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |
| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
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|
9360 | From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel)
Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board
Keywords: AD
Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Lines: 43
This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail
adress see below )!
HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD
Hello LAdies and Gentleman !
I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a
resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where
the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than
the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode.
The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or
AD 9038 or if available a faster on.
If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please
send me an EMail
hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de
or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353
Thanks in advance for your help !
Sincerely
Matthias Hansch
IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany
---
Andreas Heinbokel
heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de
*** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts ***
|
9361 | From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: islamic authority over women
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 8
Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:
: Nice cop out bill.
I'm sure you're right, but I have no idea to what you refer. Would you
mind explaining how I copped out?
Bill
|
9362 | From: luom@storm.cs.orst.edu (Luo Martha BaoMing)
Subject: summer program
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
Lines: 8
Does anyone know any good decipleship trainning program during min August
to end of Sept. Or any missionary programs.
I currently belong to the Missionary Alliance Church in Oregon.
Please reply by mail.
thanks.
----
luom@storm.cs.orst.edu
|
9363 | From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip
Lines: 13
: Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely
: as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant
: to "practical cryptanalysis." In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how
: several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite
: security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And
: NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of
: police organizations and courts across the land.
Ah yes, don't anyone mention Ronald William Pelton[*], heh heh heh. How
embarrassing.
G
[*: NSA, 1964-1979; KGB 1980-1985]
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9364 | From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)
Subject: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP!
Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles
Lines: 187
Distribution: world
Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com
Hi everyone,
I thought that some people may be interested in my VR
software on these groups:
*******Announcing the release of Multiverse-1.0.2*******
Multiverse is a multi-user, non-immersive, X-Windows based Virtual Reality
system, primarily focused on entertainment/research.
Features:
Client-Server based model, using Berkeley Sockets.
No limit to the number of users (apart from performance).
Generic clients.
Customizable servers.
Hierachical Objects (allowing attachment of cameras and light sources).
Multiple light sources (ambient, point and spot).
Objects can have extension code, to handle unique functionality, easily
attached.
Functionality:
Client:
The client is built around a 'fast' render loop. Basically it changes things
when told to by the server and then renders an image from the user's
viewpoint. It also provides the server with information about the user's
actions - which can then be communicated to other clients and therefore to
other users.
The client is designed to be generic - in other words you don't need to
develop a new client when you want to enter a new world. This means that
resources can be spent on enhancing the client software rather than adapting
it. The adaptations, as will be explained in a moment, occur in the servers.
This release of the client software supports the following functionality:
o Hierarchical Objects (with associated addressing)
o Multiple Light Sources and Types (Ambient, Point and Spot)
o User Interface Panels
o Colour Polygonal Rendering with Phong Shading (optional wireframe for
faster frame rates)
o Mouse and Keyboard Input
(Some people may be disappointed that this software doesn't support the
PowerGlove as an input device - this is not because it can't, but because
I don't have one! This will, however, be one of the first enhancements!)
Server(s):
This is where customization can take place. The following basic support is
provided in this release for potential world server developers:
o Transparent Client Management
o Client Message Handling
This may not sound like much, but it takes away the headache of
accepting and
terminating clients and receiving messages from them - the
application writer
can work with the assumption that things are happening locally.
Things get more interesting in the object extension functionality. This is
what is provided to allow you to animate your objects:
o Server Selectable Extension Installation:
What this means is that you can decide which objects have extended
functionality in your world. Basically you call the extension
initialisers you want.
o Event Handler Registration:
When you develop extensions for an object you basically write callback
functions for the events that you want the object to respond to.
(Current events supported: INIT, MOVE, CHANGE, COLLIDE & TERMINATE)
o Collision Detection Registration:
If you want your object to respond to collision events just provide
some basic information to the collision detection management software.
Your callback will be activated when a collision occurs.
This software is kept separate from the worldServer applications because
the application developer wants to build a library of extended objects
from which to choose.
The following is all you need to make a World Server application:
o Provide an initWorld function:
This is where you choose what object extensions will be supported, plus
any initialization you want to do.
o Provide a positionObject function:
This is where you determine where to place a new client.
o Provide an installWorldObjects function:
This is where you load the world (.wld) file for a new client.
o Provide a getWorldType function:
This is where you tell a new client what persona they should have.
o Provide an animateWorld function:
This is where you can go wild! At a minimum you should let the objects
move (by calling a move function) and let the server sleep for a bit
(to avoid outrunning the clients).
That's all there is to it! And to prove it here are the line counts for the
three world servers I've provided:
generic - 81 lines
dactyl - 270 lines (more complicated collision detection due to the
stairs! Will probably be improved with future
versions)
dogfight - 72 lines
Location:
This software is located at the following site:
ftp.u.washington.edu
Directory:
pub/virtual-worlds
File:
multiverse-1.0.2.tar.Z
Futures:
Client:
o Texture mapping.
o More realistic rendering: i.e. Z-Buffering (or similar), Gouraud shading
o HMD support.
o Etc, etc....
Server:
o Physical Modelling (gravity, friction etc).
o Enhanced Object Management/Interaction
o Etc, etc....
Both:
o Improved Comms!!!
I hope this provides people with a good understanding of the Multiverse
software,
unfortunately it comes with practically zero documentation, and I'm not sure
whether that will ever be able to be rectified! :-(
I hope people enjoy this software and that it is useful in our explorations of
the Virtual Universe - I've certainly found fascinating developing it, and I
would *LOVE* to add support for the PowerGlove...and an HMD :-)!!
Finally one major disclaimer:
This is totally amateur code. By that I mean there is no support for this code
other than what I, out the kindness of my heart, or you, out of pure
desperation, provide. I cannot be held responsible for anything good or bad
that may happen through the use of this code - USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!
Disclaimer over!
Of course if you love it, I would like to here from you. And anyone with
POSITIVE contributions/criticisms is also encouraged to contact me. Anyone who
hates it: > /dev/null!
************************************************************************
*********
And if anyone wants to let me do this for a living: you know where to
write :-)!
************************************************************************
*********
Thanks,
Robert.
robert@acsc.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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9365 | From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Subject: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University
Lines: 139
The following document summarizes the Clipper Chip, how it is used,
how programming of the chip is coupled to key generation and the
escrow process, and how law enforcement decrypts communications.
Since there has been some speculation on this news group about my
own involvement in this project, I'd like to add that I was not in
any way involved. I found out about it when the FBI briefed me on
Thursday evening, April 15. Since then I have spent considerable
time talking with the NSA and FBI to learn more about this, and I
attended the NIST briefing at the Department of Commerce on April 16.
The document below is the result of that effort.
Dorothy Denning
---------------
THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
Dorothy Denning
April 19, 1993
INTRODUCTION
On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring
together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program
to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of
law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption
chip called the "Clipper Chip" together with a split-key approach to
escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from
both are needed to reconstruct a key.
CHIP STRUCTURE
The Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption
algorithm called "Skipjack." The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared
with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16
for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is
16 Mbits a second.
Each chip includes the following components:
the Skipjack encryption algorithm
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP
To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T
telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and
we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure
conversation, my security device will negotiate a session key K with
the device at the other end (in general, any method of key exchange can
be used). The key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then
fed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values:
E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block.
The law enforcement block thus contains the session key K encrypted
under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all
encrypted under the family key F.
CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW
All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (secure computer
information facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains
a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips
are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at
Mikotronx.
At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key
escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters an 80-bit value S1
into the laptop and agent 2 enters an 80-bit value S2. These values
serve as seeds to generate keys for a sequence of serial numbers.
To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is
first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1.
S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a
64-bit block R1:
R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] .
Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and
N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed:
R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1]
R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] .
R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The
first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The
rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2
are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow
agencies.
As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are
written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a
file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part
U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third
disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent
2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips.
After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the
vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional
assurance that no information is left behind.
The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the
room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2,
and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to
the escrow agencies.
The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not
be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or
both may be independent from the government.
LAW ENFORCEMENT USE
When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they
will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get
access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in
place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with
Clipper. They will first decrypt the law enforcement block with the
family key F. This gives them E[K; U] + N. They will then take a
warrant identifying the chip serial number N to each of the key escrow
agents and get back U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed together to produce
the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the session key K.
Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will be accomplished
through a special black box decoder operated by the FBI.
ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. All information is based on
information provided by NSA, NIST, and the FBI. Permission to
distribute this document is granted.
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9366 | From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: sgi
Lines: 31
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1qlfd4INN935@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
|> >>as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.
|> >
|> >So, why "must" they have such laws?
|>
|> The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must."
Oh, Your Highness? And exactly why "should" the quotation
marks enclose "laws," not "must."
In case you didn't notice, it's the function of the "must"
that I wish to ironicise.
|>
|> If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,
|> etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society
|> into chaos.
Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour
died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such
behaviour, entirely by chance.
Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an
organism evolves cooperative behaviour?
What about the natural morality of bee dance?
jon.
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9367 | From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.
Lines: 5
The Apollo program cost something like $25 billion at a time when
the value of a dollar was worth more than it is now. No one would
take the offer.
--
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131
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9368 | From: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Subject: Compiling X programs
Reply-To: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Lines: 53
Hi Guys,
It has been a long time since I wrote a program using X. I am trying to
get myself re-familiarize with X. I would appreciate your help regarding
the following problem.
I am trying to compile a simple X program on sun running sunOS 4.1.2.
using
cc -o ex ex.c -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm
I am getting an error
ld: Undefined symbol
_get_wmShellWidgetClass
_get_applicationShellWidgetClass
The simple program I tried to compile is given below.
#include <stdio.h>
#include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
#include <X11/StringDefs.h>
#include <X11/Xaw/Form.h>
main(argc,argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
Widget topLevel;
Widget frame;
topLevel = XtInitialize("ex","Ex",NULL,0, &argc,**argv);
frame = XtCreateManagedWidget("Form",formWidgetClass,topLevel,NULL,0);
XtRealizeWidget(topLevel);
XtMainLoop();
}
I got the same error when I tried to build "xpostit" using the Imakefile
provided with the software.
I have compiled X programs before (not on this machine, but on other
machines running sunOS 4.0 and X11 R4). I did not get this error message
Can anybody tell me why I am getting these messages.
I would appreciate if you can email your responses to me at
azn30@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com.
Thanks
Anand
|
9369 | From: brian@nostromo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Colaric Sun Dallas DSE)
Subject: Help: OS2 Presentation Mgr port to X
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nostromo.central.sun.com
I need to port several OS/2 PM applications to X (OpenWindows or Motif),
and desperately need any information on how to go about doing this (short
of a complete rewrite.
Are there any tool to make porting easer?
Any References?
Any talent out there to hire to do this?
I will even take an OS/2 Presentation Mgr emulator for sun!
Any, and all replies (except flames) welcome!
Brian Colaric
Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
|
9370 | From: poram%mlsma@att.att.com
Subject: WBT (WAS: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK)
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 36
In article <Apr.17.01.11.19.1993.2268@geneva.rutgers.edu> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
>
> I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd
>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in
>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam
>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in
>1979 as " a covert political and ideological institution used by the
>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and
>repression."
Having met Peter Kingston (of WBT) some years back, he struck me
as an exemplery and dedicated Christian whose main concern was with
translation of the Word of God and the welfare of the people
group he was serving.
WBT literature is concerned mainly with providing Scripture
in minority languages.
The sort of criticism leveled at an organisation such as this
along the lines of "ideological manipulation and cultural
interference" is probably no more than Christianising and
education - in this WBT will stand alongside the early Christian
missionaries to parts of Africa, or those groups who worked
among native Americans a couple hundred years ago.
> My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even
>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that
>Christians don't immediately accept every "Christian" organization as
>automatically above reproach.
>
> mp
I think you need to substantiate these attacks as being a
legitimate criticism of priorities other than spreading the
gospel among underdeveloped people.
Barney Resson
"Many shall run to and fro, & knowledge shall increase" (Daniel)
|
9371 | From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Lines: 78
In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>>So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but
>>no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at
>>work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study
>>using double-blind trials?
>
>Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own.
Um, I hate to break this to you, but article numbers are unique per site.
They have no meaning on other machines.
>Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses?
You mean the responses some of which pointed to double-blind tests
which show no such "chinese restaurant effect" unique to MSG
(it's elicited by the placebo as well.)
>Yet again, the use of this
>newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters
>they have substantial knowledge of.
Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently
come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to
do with the use of this substance in human nutrition?
>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a
>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on
>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an
>excitotoxic food additive,
No, it's undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid
which is an excitatory neurotransmitter. There is also evidence that
excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain
conditions like stroke, drowning and Lou Gehrig's disease, just to name a few.
This is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid
in foods. People are not receiving intra-ventricular injections of glutamate.
>and that its major constituent, glutamate
>is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain
>(humans included).
I don't know about premier, but it's certainly an important one.
>Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off.
Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any
controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far
as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is
not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently
ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe
that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely.
>Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in
>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts
>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be
>encountered in a ny single food.
Wrong. Do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink?
Milligrams worth. Compare that to a glass of milk. Do you know how much
glutamate is present in most protein-containing foods compared to that
added by the use of MSG?
>By eating lots of junk food,
>packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your
>blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these
>compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects.
Notice the subtle covering of her ass here: "anyone _with a sensitivity_..."
We're disputing the size of that class.
>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his*
>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute.
Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
|
9372 | From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)
Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Lines: 23
In article <May.2.09.50.21.1993.11782@geneva.rutgers.edu> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any
>authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in
>real languages they don't know. From my observations, "speaking
>in tongues" in practice has nothing at all do with this.
I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak
only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english).
Then I let the "gifted one" start "speaking in toungues".
The audience should understand the "gifted one" clearly
in their native language. However, the "gifted one" can
only hear himself speaking in his own language.
Works everytime. 8-)
Perhaps I would believe the "gifted ones" more if they were
glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd
witness a real miracle.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
The Lost Los Angelino |
|
9373 | From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance?
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Lines: 19
I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the
distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver?
Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength
and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft),
and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so.
How about measuring vertical distance as well, any chance - or am I getting
ridiculous?
What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter?
Sorry if I'm "mucking up" the network with one of those questions best
answered by Bill Willis via US Mail... and I apologize for not being
"tuned-in" to electronics. :-)
R.G. Carpenter, Ph.D., P.E. (sorry... only an ME)
|
9374 | From: Michael_LaBella@vos.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products?
Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma.
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: m3-enet.eng.stratus.com
>Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products
>that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van
>Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost.
How do you spell "tuna helper" ?
I gather by off-shore assembly you mean that adcoms are built by
blue-fin tuna's who are into that squid-fi sound? (I agree on that one).
My Adcom 555 preamp did sound better after installing the famous
"running the chips class "A" resistor mod", and replacing the metal
bottom cover with plexiglass,, too bad the factory could not make em sound
better,, but better sound, unfortunately, does not appear to be a priority
with Adcom, else the mods would neither have been necessary, nor would they
have improved what was already touted as superlative state-o-d-art le'sound.
I really want to hear from all those people out there who have traded up
from an sp9II (even an sp3a!) to a GFP-555/etc., or maybe from those that
have dumped their forte' amps for a GFA-555/etc....
|
9375 | From: redsonja@olias.linet.org (Red Sonja)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Distribution: na
Organization: Utter Chaos in Islip, Long Island, New York (we think)
Lines: 26
In article <1993Apr20.054308.15985@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>In <strnlghtC5p7zp.3zM@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>:In article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>:holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
>
>:>Note that measures to protect yourself from
>:>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.
>
>:I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially.
>:Even Macs.
>
>Sure you can buy a TEMPEST approved Mac -- if you have enough
>money. I haven't had any reason to look at this type of pricing
>for about 10 years, but a TEMPEST rating in 1982 would raise the
>price of a $2,495.00 Radio Shack Model III to something around
>$15,000.00.
>
Or just dig a deep enough hole in the ground. 50 feet should do it.
--
redsonja@olias.linet.org \\\RS/// Self possession is 9/10 of the law.
Alien: "We control the laws of nature!" | "How come when it's human, it's an
Joel: "And you still dress that way?" | abortion, but when it's a chicken,
(MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron) | it's an omelet?" - George Carlin
|
9376 | Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, 3/23
From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
> <1pklht$krf@genesis.MCS.COM> <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> <1pqfbd$e6b@genesis.MCS.COM>
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Lines: 47
arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes:
>>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1993Apr1.164804.1105@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@k2 (Scott Babb) writes:
>>>>Jack Schmidling (arf@genesis.MCS.COM) wrote:
>>>>: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>) writes:
>>>>: :
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>>Why do you restrict your condemnation of racial strife to Israel?
>>>>Do the situations in Bosnia, Tibet, China, etc. not merit your comment?
>>
>>>As far as I am aware, we have not sent close to $100 billion dollars to
>> ^^^
>> Let's not exaggerate.
>I notice you did not offer an alternative number. Try this one on for
>size..... by the year 2000, American taxpayers will have given Israel
>one dollar for every star in the Milky Way Galaxy.
>I will let you look up the number.
OK, I admit I have no hard data on this. Why don't you help me with this?
If you would compile a commented list of all grants, un-repaid loans (if any),
and direct aid, I'd be very interested to see it. If you could give me
references from, for example, Congressional Budget Authorization Hearings,
I could look them up here and I'd be happy to post a verification of your
data.
Otherwise, I'll try my hand at this, but unfortunately I won't have sufficient
time available until the end of this month, so the results would be delayed.
Let me know if you're interested in doing this.
___Samuel___
Mossad Special Agent ID314159
Media Spiking and Mind Control Division
Los Angeles Offices
--
_________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______
Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a
summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,
where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
|
9377 | Organization: Penn State University
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: @#$%! I was right in the first place!!!
Lines: 53
In article <vzhivov.735059801@cunews>, vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir
Zhivov) says:
>
>In <93107.091503RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>2-Red Wings vs. 3-Maple Leafs Maple Leafs in 6
>
>> Comment : It's kind of tough to rely on Yzerman as the team's main weapon.
>> He's a great palyer, but Dino knows all about choking, which
>> puts the burden on Steve even more. Potvin's had a hell of a
>> season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs.
>
>For a great prognosticator:), you seem to remember very little playoff
>history. Dino always shows up in the playoffs, which is why he is a
>great "sleeper" pick in pools. Don't forget about Fedorov, one of the
>top players in the NHL, IMHO, and Coffey who has the most Stanley Cup
>rings of any active players (correct me if I'm wrong). Wings in a
>cakewalk.
Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick
Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in
the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the
division.
>>1-Canucks vs. 4-Jets Canucks in 5
>
>> Comment : It's more like Vancouver vs. Selanne. King and Domi (for
>> enforcing) help Winnipeg out a little, maybe a game. Canucks
>> have their number.
>
>Except that the Canuck are playing like shit. Winnipeg can win this
>one, though I think Vancouver will manage to slip by.
So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's
number, so it really doesn't matter.
>>2-Flames vs. 3-Kings Flames in 7
>
>> Comment : 7 games looks good as the Kings always seem to battle it out.
>> Flames are back in running and won't know memories of last year's
>> season. Gretzky is on a tear, but there are too many ?????
>> surrounding the Kings.
>Kings "always seem to battle it out"? When? Where?
Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five
game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it
out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "We do what comes naturally!
Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the
PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a
Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance..."-DG '89
|
9378 | From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 24
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
In article <1qe8qk$58t@news.ysu.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:
>
>I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important
>to me. My personal relationship wife the Lord is first, my wife is second, and
>my ministry at church is third. (Not to mention my job!)
Have you informed your wife of this prioritization?
This board will have
>to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in. I tried dropping
>out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back. He won't this time.
Thou hast used my name in vain! I never coerce. Ridicule, maybe, but
never coerce. Please take responsibility for your actions.
(deletia)
>I'm history.
>Frank
I appreciate your efforts. Good luck.
|
9379 | From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker)
Subject: Re: christians and aids
Organization: Shell Oil
Lines: 49
In article <Apr.8.00.57.49.1993.28271@athos.rutgers.edu> marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:
>In article <Apr.7.01.55.33.1993.22762@athos.rutgers.edu> kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes:
>>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome
>>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last
>>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff,
>>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even
>>suggest that AIDS is "deserved" is ludicrous.
>
>When man was told not to have sex with relatives, did they listen ?
>NO! And man found out why !
So what's your point? Mark's comment still is valid. To suggest that
AIDS is "deserved" IS ludicrous. I sin. I can resolve to abstain from
sin, and do weekly (more often, actually). Yet I routinely fail.
I surely do deserve what I get, yet God compassionately provided
the Incarnate Logos, Jesus, as a rememdy and a way out of our situation.
If AIDS is deserved, I surely deserve instant death just as much, as do
we all, as St. Paul so cogently remids us.
To willingly judge "others" as deserving punishment seems to me
to be the height of arrogance and lack of humility.
>I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get
>involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who
>received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes
>to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few.
So what's the point here? I can get AIDS and NEVER engage in
"deviant" sexual behavior. In fact, I could engage in LOTS
of deviant sexual behavior with HIV+ people and never be
infected. AIDS is a consequence of particular behaviors,
many of which are not sexual. And not all sexual behaviors
carry the risk of transmission.
>In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things.
>There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ?
>I don't know.
The end of all things is to know, love and serve God, growing
daily closer through prayer, meditation and discipline. Even so
I could get AIDS. Anyone could, unless they remain forever celibate,
IV-drug-free, and transfusion free.
Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com)
--
-------
Lawrence Overacker
Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965
llo@shell.com
|
9380 | From: zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil
Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X
Organization: CDNSWC, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA
Lines: 20
Greetings!
I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the
desktop can occasionally result in the windows "blowing up" into a set of
horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this
except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is
that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually
scrolling, as if a CR was printed without an LF. This seems ONLY to happen
to communications programs, but I can't nail it down any further than that.
Note, though, that the comms programs don't have to be communicating. Even
just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in
these programs causes the problem.
Prior to the latest rev of Word Perfect for Windows, WPwin would sometimes
blow up, and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of
the problem. I've still seen this, but only once or twice with WPwin 5.2.
Dave Zimmerman
(My opinions are my own)
|
9381 | From: beers@cs.buffalo.edu (Andrew Beers)
Subject: CPM & C64 Stuff Forsale
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Lines: 23
Nntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu
=======
FORSALE
=======
CPM Computers:
1. Model AMPRO A13001 Rev A, with or without 2 720K 5 1/4" floppy drives and
system disks. Z80 processor.
2. Unknown brand. w/Miniscribe Model 1006 hard drive. 1/2 height 8" Shugart
model 810 floppy drive. Keyboard. System disks.
Also:
2 - 8" Shugart model 801 floppy drives.
Also:
Commodore 64 computer, 1541 disk drive.
Will sell in whole or in parts. Buyer pays shipping.
To make offers, either email beers@cs.buffalo.edu or call (716) 741-9272, and
ask for Jonathan.
Andrew
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9382 | From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh)
Subject: Nintendo games and control deck
Article-I.D.: andy.C52JzL.DD4
Distribution: na
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Lines: 35
Forsale:
Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has
grips attached.
the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and
video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs.
25$ or best offer
games for sale
15$ Tecmo Baseball
15$ Techmo Bowl
15$ Double Dribble
15$ Wayne Gretzky Hockey
15$ Golf
10$ Super Mario/Duck Hunt
15$ Super Mario II
20$ Super Mario III
15$ Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade game
15$ MegaMan 3
10$ Toobin'
10$ Spelunker
25$ Tecmo Super Bowl
============
175$ total, I'll give all of them to you for the best offer and throw
in the control deck...
I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games individually.
the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old.
Email at tligman@andy.bgsu.edu
Phone at 1 (419) 372-5954
--
-Tom
<<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>>
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9383 | From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: thoughts on christians
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 17
Ed McCreary (edm@twisto.compaq.com) wrote:
: >>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said:
: RB> In article <ofnWyG600WB699voA=@andrew.cmu.edu> pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes:
: >EVER HEAR OF
: >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what
: >is...
: >
: RB>
: RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes
: RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the
: RB> priest really wears under that chasible.
Does this statement further the atheist cause in some way, surely it's
not intended as wit ...
Bill
|
9384 | From: (Phil Bowermaster)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Lines: 36
In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu>,
dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) wrote:
>
> In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,
> vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote:
>
> >
> > "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
> > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
> > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
> > of those absolutes."
>
>
> Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
> between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
> regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
> absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
If you would bother to check in any good dictioanry or thesaurus, I think
you will find that "arrogance" has to do with an offensive exhibition of
presumed or real superiority (a paraphrase from my own Webster's).
Arrognace is about pride and haughtiness. A person can believe in absolute
truth, even blindly (whatever that means) without being obnoxious about it.
Just as a person can be a "humble," authority-questioning,
defying-any-theist-to-reply athiest and be quite arrogant. Arrogance is not
about what you believe, it is about how you relate to what you believe and
how you present it to others. If your overwhelming experience of Christians
has been that they are arrogant, I apologozing both for myself and on the
behalf of those who have offfended you. But my own experience, at least in
forums like Usenet where you see a good mix of people, is that arrogant
Christians and athiests seems to occur in about equal numbers.
- Phil -
Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't
have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me.
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9385 | From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Clinton's sister, Shalala
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 22
Last night I heard something about Bill Clinton's sister being
involved in a marijuana bust, and the news being suppressed. I also
heard something about her being an "ex-con". This source is not
reliable, though. (It was a collage/booklet advertising a local band.)
Can anyone on the net verify this or provide more details? I'm
surprised I haven't seen anything about this in this newsgroup.
Also, does anyone know what happened to the charges that Shalala was a
regular pot smoker when she was in college? This ghastly accusation
was reported on CNN Streamline News the day she was nominated, then I
never heard anything about it again.
It's almost enough to make me want to start an Act-Up type campaign
to invade the privacy of closet smokers! (If only this type of
publicity didn't violate people's rights. . . .)
Jake.
--
* What's so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process?
<-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
|
9386 | From: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Younie)
Subject: stats for hockey pool
Distribution: world
Bcc: emma!rick
Reply-To: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00
Lines: 13
I'm the keeper of the stats for a family hockey pool and I'm looking
for daily/weekly email servers for playoff stats. I've connected with
the servers at J.Militzok@skidmore.EDU and wilson@cs.ucf.edu. I'm
still sorting these two out.
Are there others? Email please as my site doesn't get this group.
Thanks.
Rick
--
rick@emma.panam.wimsey.bc.ca
rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca
|
9387 | From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Subject: Re: Please help identify this old 3Com Ethernet card
Organization: University of Helsinki
Lines: 29
simon@moscow.uidaho.edu (Mike Simon) writes:
>In article <1qhvunINNhau@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes:
>|> I have an old 3Com ethernet card (PC AT Bus) that came out of a Apollo
>|> workstation. I'm trying to identify it in order to use it on a PC.
>|>
>|> The Assembly number is 4008-00 REV 2 and it is a 16 bit card, circa
>|> 1985. It has an AUI port as well as a BNC coax connection. It has
>|> selectable address for the BIOS, IO, DMA, and IRQ locations via berg
>|> jumpers. It also appears to have a Intel 80186 processor on board,
>|> presumably for buffering.
>|>
>|> The ethernet chip appears to be an Intel 82586, a 48 pin DIP package. Is
>|> this chip an equivalent to the 8390 used in some cards? There is also
>|> a 68 pin PLCC chip, called a LINK+
I got two very similar sounding boards for dirt cheap, too. Their Assy
numbers were not 4000-series, but your description fits otherwise. They
are 3Com 3C505's aka Etherlink Plus cards. Check out ftp.3com.com, there
are drivers and diagnostic programs for just about any and all 3Com
cards. I concluded that my card was the 505 after I ran their diagnostic
program for 3C505 succesfully ("..passes with flying colours") :)
Anybody know of packet drivers for these cards under OS/2..?
--
Juha Liukkonen, aka jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi
University of Helsinki, Dept. of Lost Souls
"Trust me, I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
|
9388 | From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD!
In-Reply-To: <930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)
Lines: 15
>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100
>FROM: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
>
>The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
>finished writing a sequel to the Bible.
>
>mathew
Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already
written the first of the Seven which was around 30 pages or so and has
handed it over to an assistant for PROOFREADING!. I would expect any
decent messiah to have a built-in spellchecker. Maybe Koresh 2.0 will
come with one.
|
9389 | From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)
Subject: Insurance and lotsa points...
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Lines: 15
Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu
Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
Now what do I do?
(I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,...
)
--
Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. |
DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |
|
9390 | From: gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann)
Subject: Torre: The worst manager?
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 31
Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.
For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,
With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed
hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.
Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts
lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis
Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell
is he thinking.
Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented
how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a
regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said
he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year,
what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every
team in the league.
Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate,
The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line
and waving lankford home,
I can't take this anymore
brian, a very distressed cardinal fan.
--
Brian Landmann
Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu
|
9391 | From: srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate)
Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
>It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were
>published, one could then build physically identical clone versions
>of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But
>the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn.
Not necessarily --- they could release the details of the algorithm
without releasing the "system key" (called SK by Hellman). That would
make most people happy, and with some sort of verification procedure
before key exchange, the "official" chips would only work with other
"official" chips. In other words, secrecy of SK makes "physically
identical clone versions" impossible; secrecy of the algorithm shouldn't
be necessary.
Of course, revealing the algorithm opens them up to attacks on SK ---
since all units share this key, compromising it may be a big deal.
Personally, I wouldn't feel too comfortable knowing that one "secret"
80-bit number held in many places was all that guaranteed my security.
Of course, compromise of SK doesn't necessarily mean that the system
is compromised, but it's impossible to tell whether or not that's true
with a secret algorithm.
Incidentally, what's to keep a "secret algorithm" from using the secret
SK as the main key, with UK being only marginally important. Then
a court order for UK may not even be necessary to do a wiretap.
--
Steve Tate srt@cs.duke.edu | The reason why mathematics enjoys special esteem,
Dept. of Computer Science | above all other sciences, is that its laws are
Duke University | absolutely certain and indisputable, while those of all
Durham, NC 27706 | other sciences are to some extent debatable. (Einstein)
|
9392 | From: carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Subject: Re: David Wells
Lines: 5
Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their
anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto!
DC
|
9393 | From: george@minster.york.ac.uk
Subject: Non-word password generator
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
Lines: 10
Does anyone know of a non-word password generator program
for PC's?? i.e. it will produce a nonsense word but still
be pronouncible. e.g. lisgollan
Wanted to "force" users to adopt more secure passwords,
but still be memorable!
Thanks - George Bolt
p.s. please email me as well if possible "george@psychmips.york.ac.uk"
|
9394 | From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Lines: 37
In article <rauser.734062608@sfu.ca> rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>
>
> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter
>of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on
>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:
>
>Canadians: 400
>Americans: 100
>Europeans: 100
>
>
> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick
You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those
players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's
see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he
has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that
Euro-blooded boy back!!!
Sheesh.
> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures
>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.
>
> I just don't want them on mine.
I don't think it would be hard to find some Native Americans (or Native
Canadians, for that matter) who would dispute your claim to this great
continent of *ours.* Ya see, if you believe the anthropologists, we're *all*
immigrants of some sort. If you really don't think that Mogilny, Bure,
Selanne, et al have improved the NHL, then I'm not sure you understand the
game.
--
******************************************************************************
Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley
"No, I don't play hockey. Not too many brothers do." -- Deion Sanders
|
9395 | From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Used Stuff
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Lines: 22
I have this used equipment for sale, everything is negotiable!
1200 Baud Compuadd Internal Modem, all docs and software $ 25.00
SCO UNIX V3.2.2 All disks and Docs (Has UUCP/all Utils) $150.00
Old 1.2MB floppy drive, functional, out of an old 286. $ 20.00
Dead ST1196 80MB RLL drive, don't know whats wrong with it. $ 20.00
Old Joystick, don't remember the brand name $ 10.00
Old Boat Anchor CGA Monitor with full length CGA CArd $ 20.00
Serial Card 25 Pin $ 10.00
Test Drive III Accolade $ 20.00
All prices neg +shipping!
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9396 | Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
From: oleg@gd.cs.CSUFresno.EDU (Oleg Kibirev)
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Departement of California State University inFresno
Nntp-Posting-Host: gd.cs.csufresno.edu
In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT
Lines: 299
In article <C5L15A.GF6@dove.nist.gov> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
Here is an article I found today in comp.security.misc. I'll send my reply in
a separate post to comp.off.eff.org so thayt you guys can get original text.
Have fun! ;(
Oleg
Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.1B5 17/9/92 VAX/VMS V5.5-2; site nic.csu.net
Path: nic.csu.net!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!decwrl!uunet!dove!csrc.ncsl.nist.gov!clipper
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT
Sender: news@dove.nist.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
Lines: 280
Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file
transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and
via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717.
---------------------------------------------------
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 16, 1993
STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY
The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
enforcement.
The initiative will involve the creation of new products to
accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure
telecommunications networks and wireless communications links.
For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate
the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and
law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against
industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.
Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to
protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to
protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption
technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.
A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the "Clipper Chip" has
been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a
new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new,
relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to
an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications
using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in
commercial use today.
This new technology will help companies protect proprietary
information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations
and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted
electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the
ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to
intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals.
A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the
"Clipper Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding
Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique
2
"keys," numbers that will be needed by authorized government
agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the
device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately
in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the
Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to
government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
wiretap.
The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no
new authorities to access the content of the private
conversations of Americans.
To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the
Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new
devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the
government will be offered access to the confidential details of
the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
their findings.
The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of
encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the
privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access
to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it
to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology
trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system),
the President has directed government agencies to develop a
comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates:
-- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;
-- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone
calls and data, under proper court or other legal
order, when necessary to protect our citizens;
-- the effective and timely use of the most modern
technology to build the National Information
Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and
the competitiveness of American industry in the global
marketplace; and
-- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export
high technology products.
The President has directed early and frequent consultations with
affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the
privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed.
3
The Administration is committed to working with the private
sector to spur the development of a National Information
Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer
technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to
information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks
("information superhighways") will transmit video, images, HDTV
programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone
system transmits voice.
Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
its use. The Administration is committed to policies that
protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
them from those who break the law.
Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet.
The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new
encryption technology are also available.
For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of
Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758.
---------------------------------
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S
TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE
Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government
agencies to listen in on phone conversations?
A: No. "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with
no new authorities to access the content of the private
conversations of Americans.
Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on
a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation
encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to
decipher the message?
A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a
court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They
would then present documentation of this authorization to
the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and
obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug
smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are
stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key
escrow system.
Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks?
A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent
entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the
Administration have yet to determine which agencies will
oversee the key-escrow data banks.
Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure
how strong the security is?
A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption
systems readily available today. While the algorithm will
remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow
system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of
cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all
potential users that there are no unrecognized
vulnerabilities.
Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product?
A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the
Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in
this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the
President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet
officials.
Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry?
A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on
encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify
as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have
briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the
decisions related to this initiative.
Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?
A: The government designed and developed the key access
encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the
microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product
manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip
manufacturer that produces them.
Q: Who provides the "Clipper Chip"?
A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,
California, and will sell the chip to encryption device
manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed
to other vendors in the future.
Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices?
A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating
the "Clipper Chip" into their devices.
Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological
solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
powerful encryption devices?
A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be
considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow
mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product
that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive
than others readily available today, but it is just one
piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to
encryption technology, which the Administration is
developing.
The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a
false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be,
and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned,
balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper
Chip" and similar encryption techniques.
Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton
Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from
that of the Bush Administration?
A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption
technology in telecommunications and computing and are
committed to working with industry and public-interest
groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'
privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law
enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime
and terrorism.
Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use
the government hardware?
A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control
requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is
required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The
same is true for other encryption devices. One of the
attractions of this technology is the protection it can give
to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this
in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a
case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these
devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan
to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability
of these products.
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9397 | From: tod@cco.caltech.edu (Tod Edward Kurt)
Subject: data pods (10248B) for HP logic analyzer (1615A)?!?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: logic analyzer HP
Anyone out there in netland have a spare data pod or two from an old
1615A Hewlett Packard logic analyzer? If you do, I'd like to buy it off
of you. The pod's part number is 10248B.
As a side note, anyone know of any good surplus dealer or other organization
that would carry wayward logic analzer pods?
Thanks a byte,
Tod
tod@cco.caltech.edu
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9398 | From: dtc@mlinknet.UUCP (Dennis Cheung)
Subject: PSI Comstation 5
Organization: the ModemLink Network, Long Island, New York
Lines: 15
Anyone have any expierience with PSI's comstation 5?
Please contact me if you had (or have a suggesiton for a Really Good 14.4
modem with 14.4 fax for the macintosh).
--- Via UCI v1.35 (C-Net Amiga)
Dennis T. Cheung
The DTC(tm) Corporation of America
America Online: DTC
Internet: DTC%MLinkNet@HotCity.Com
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Disclaimer: You never read this message & this message doesn't exist.
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9399 | From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck
Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 29
In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes:
>Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders
>because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but
>500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you
>picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing
>sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Sure.
The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think
your question should be, "...losing sleep over a million expert
riflemen?" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but
a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area,
where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a
real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is "is it worth
the trouble?" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely
the answer would be "no." Certainly a million riflemen (as
opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the
best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes
invasions more difficult.
>Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this
>world.
Really? In 1939? I'm not even sure you could prove that today (despite
the steriotype.) Certainly the Swiss bankers were not essential
to the German war-time economy.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
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