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layton#0621: i'm hoping this is just a case of me needing to reset the bios
Alcyone#2233: try cmos clear or leaving the battery out for a few minutes
Deleted User#0000: i found an 9600K with mobo and 16gb kit for 350$ roughly, i searched it against an 8700K but **only** that CPU is about 514$
is it really worth upgrading from an 4790 (which is my main rn) to that i5?
MythologicalZ#3752: No
MythologicalZ#3752: Rather get something am4 based
Deleted User#0000: the value of those in my country is even worse
Deleted User#0000: but ive been searching for one lately, idk which one tho
JustinXenyx#8854: Neither of them are really worth it to be quite honest
Deleted User#0000: oh what?
Deleted User#0000: so that talk ive seen on some forums about 6c12t being outdated in a few years is true?
JustinXenyx#8854: nonononononono, hear me out
Deleted User#0000: ohh ok
JustinXenyx#8854: 9600k is 6c only and at a terrible price aswell. 8700k is literally massively overpriced
Deleted User#0000: yeah.. |
JustinXenyx#8854: Overpriced enough to literally import Ryzen and probably still come out cheaper than the 8700K alone
Deleted User#0000: hmm i see
Deleted User#0000: the kit had 2x8 ballisticx and an (seems terrible) h310M motherboard
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah no that's massive trash
JustinXenyx#8854: H310 + K series chip is dumb in its own right
Deleted User#0000: yeah
JustinXenyx#8854: but the H-series boards barely are good enough to run the normal chips like the locked i3s and so on
Deleted User#0000: oof didnt knew bout that
jojosensei#4198: Is there anything to know before searching for a cheap screen ?
JustinXenyx#8854: Well you're saying cheap
JustinXenyx#8854: So you probably should not expect a whole lot
jojosensei#4198: What to expect from a cheap screen (better formulation)
tdp2612#3835: i mean dont go for anything under 1080
jojosensei#4198: What should I check before buying a screen (generally) ?
jojosensei#4198: I always played on 720p |
tdp2612#3835: youll be getting meh input lag times, acceptable colours
tdp2612#3835: youll want 1080 anyway
tdp2612#3835: just makes even just the desktop look way nicer
jojosensei#4198: Ok only 1080. And only hdmi ? Which price should I expect for a 1080 screen ?
tdp2612#3835: i mean if you can find one that will take hdmi and dp, great, although I like vga too
tdp2612#3835: for a normal size monitor, so 20 to 24 inch maybe, 1080p, no special high refresh rates or anything, id say anywhere around £100 from a big retailer
tdp2612#3835: maybe as little as £80 if youre lucky, but nothing silly like 150+
jojosensei#4198: 100 £ New or used ?
tdp2612#3835: New
tdp2612#3835: Just take everything ive said with a pinch of salt though, as im not really a huge monitor guy - i use an old 1440x900 and a tv for my pc
jojosensei#4198: That was the resolution I played. But is it worth to search for used ones ?
tdp2612#3835: i dont think theres a reason not to, monitors dont really die or anything when they get a few years old usually
jojosensei#4198: Because I would prefer something under 30 euros
tdp2612#3835: ah
tdp2612#3835: you might struggle there |
tdp2612#3835: if you bump that budget up to like 50 youll find something no problem most likely
jojosensei#4198: The problem for now my pc costed me 40 euros. I just have a psychological problem paying a screen more money than my pc.
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Jam jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam, why cant i properly install GPU drivers on my dual939 board?
DarknessFalls229#2286: ive gone through 5 windows installations
Jam#0384: what gpu
DarknessFalls229#2286: 3850 AGP and 4770
Jam#0384: you can only use one
Jam#0384: not both at the same time
DarknessFalls229#2286: well, on the first three installations i used agp
Jam#0384: otherwise no driver works
DarknessFalls229#2286: i gave up and then did PCIe
Jam#0384: Darkness
Jam#0384: did you install the AGP GART driver
Jam#0384: and Chipset drivers
DarknessFalls229#2286: ? |
DarknessFalls229#2286: gart drivers?
Jam#0384: Yeah you need to install Chipset/AGP GART first
Jam#0384: usually bundled together
DarknessFalls229#2286: well, i did install a AGP patch from the vista drivers
Jam#0384: PCIe has GART on the cards
DarknessFalls229#2286: but that made the system hang
Jam#0384: AGP relies on the Chipset for GART
Jam#0384: Use XP.
DarknessFalls229#2286: like the os or drivers?
Jam#0384: The OS
DarknessFalls229#2286: i dont wanna
Jam#0384: Well if you have issues in XP you'd know theres a hardware issue or you're doing something wrong
Jam#0384: also that board is a terrible bottleneck for both of those cards
Jam#0384: OH
Jam#0384: Not to mention you need special AGP drivers for the HD 3000 cards |
Jam#0384: The normal ones don't cut it
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmmm
Jam#0384: + you might have to use device manager
Jam#0384: to install the driver
DarknessFalls229#2286: does amd's website explicitly have those available?
Jam#0384: I don't think so
Jam#0384: but you should check
DarknessFalls229#2286: and wdym with install via device manager?
Jam#0384: Install a driver with device manager
Jam#0384: click on the gpu
Jam#0384: and install the driver manually
Jam#0384: force install
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmm okay
Jam#0384: Yeah you're messing with stuff that you really need to know the ins and outs to get working lol
DarknessFalls229#2286: but im currently trying to use my hd 4770 anyway |
Jam#0384: These kind of parts don't just work
Jam#0384: Unfortunately
DarknessFalls229#2286: :/
Jam#0384: My ASRock 775 has issues with some PCIe cards but mostly just wont or will boot with them
Jam#0384: You should definitely install Chipset drivers and just probably not use Vista
Jam#0384: Vista is just adding to the problems most likely
DarknessFalls229#2286: use the XP drivers?
Jam#0384: no
Jam#0384: the OS
DarknessFalls229#2286: still, gonna stick to win7
Jam#0384: Win7 should be doable
Jam#0384: but really
DarknessFalls229#2286: _should_
Jam#0384: WinXP
Jam#0384: is the BEST way to go |
Jam#0384: Least amount of issues for these things
DarknessFalls229#2286: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709492905936551966/unknown.png
Jam#0384: I like when people ask for my help and then disregard it :epicgamer:
Jam#0384: Basically every day on this server
Jam#0384: Pretty epic
DarknessFalls229#2286: >"hey i need help getting windows 7 to work"
>'just install windows XP, you'll get less issues that way'
bruh
Jam#0384: Actually you never said that
Jam#0384: you said you had problems installing drivers
Jam#0384: and using the board in general
DarknessFalls229#2286: still, i meant for windows 7
Jam#0384: Well, use XP. Seriously.
DarknessFalls229#2286: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709493579034394714/unknown.png
tdp2612#3835: well dont |
tdp2612#3835: :epicgamer:
Bisexual Billy#9476: What would someone recommend for a budget Ryzen system with the following pre-requisits.
- At Least 6c/12t (Ryzen 5, don't really care on the generation less money = good)
- 4 Ram Slots
- ECC Memory Support (I'm aware Ryzen supports this but I'm unsure if all boards support this)
- Small form factor (M-ATX).
Jam#0384: 1. Stop worrying about ECC
Jam#0384: DDR4 is already cheap, and it's not even worth your time
Jam#0384: The rest is doable with enough money
Jam#0384: A Ryzen 5 1600AF (if ~$85) or if you have the cash Ryzen 5 3600
Alcyone#2233: who out here getting ram errors?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: but muh server ram discount
Bisexual Billy#9476: I mention ECC since I've noticed that goes for cheaper than standard DDR4 in my area.
Jam#0384: I don't think hardly any boards support ECC, and it's really not worth the time |
Jam#0384: You really want fast ram
Jam#0384: Which I doubt that ECC is
MythologicalZ#3752: You get fast ecc
MythologicalZ#3752: But it'll be pricey
Jam#0384: Better off sticking to DDR4
Jam#0384: Motherboard- B450 Tomahawk MAX or wait for the B550 boards in like 2 weeks
Bisexual Billy#9476: I don't really need fast ram.
I'll won't be using this system for gaming.
Fast ram is nice but not a neccessity.
I would want more ram rather than faster ram.
this is for what's essentially going to be a "VM Farm" if that clears things up.
Xbox 360 1953#2640: tommy max is fatx
Xbox 360 1953#2640: they want matx
Jam#0384: It helps in stuff that isn't games |
Jam#0384: it makes the CPU faster in basically any application
Jam#0384: Which is why it's a must have if you're going to spend cash on the platform
Bisexual Billy#9476: I'm aware it affects Infinity fabric speeds communcating between CCX's yes.
Maybe I could pay as I grow my infrastructure, as and when I need it.
Jam#0384: You should really talk to people who actually have any clue what you're really doing, because I don't know what VM farming is or what it requires
Jam#0384: But I know what allows Zen/+/2 to work best
Jam#0384: Maybe @"Cobs" knows
Bisexual Billy#9476: I'll be using XCP-ng on it as the "OS/Hyper-Visor" if that potentially helps
"Cobs"#1150: what are you doing in the vm's specifically
Jam#0384: Yeah I have no clue what you're talking about
Jam#0384: I don't do software stuff.
"Cobs"#1150: i gave up with xcp-ng because of nvidias driver bs
Bisexual Billy#9476: Various different things, hosting multiple servers.
1 Domain Controller |
Web Apps
Wiki Servers
and perhaps a small scale NAS
"Cobs"#1150: you really dont need anything expensive for that
Jam#0384: is this for a business
"Cobs"#1150: hell an old 1366 server could do that
"Cobs"#1150: if you're not running millions on it, have a look at hp's proliant microserver line (g8 or above)
Jam#0384: you may want to look into the new 4c parts
tdp2612#3835: yeah if youre running a server, get an old xeon
tdp2612#3835: or something modern and small
Jam#0384: the Ryzen 3100 is $100 so if theres nothing old
Jam#0384: its a solid performer
Bisexual Billy#9476: Hmmm the RHEV hosts at work use 1366 stuff so it indeed is possible on a X58 based CPU.
I'd rather have more of a thread count vs Per core performance. |
6c/12t is what I'm targeting for load balencing reasons and just in case I want to expand this infrastructure.
"Cobs"#1150: mate just get an ol ibm x3550/x3650 m3 or a poweredge r610/r710 and 2 x5650's
Bisexual Billy#9476: What I was planning on having is something small that can do this, hense my interest in Ryzen.
if there's smaller X58 boards I wouldn't mind looking at them.
Jam#0384: there is 6c/12t on 1366
Jam#0384: iirc
Jam#0384: with lower per core
Jam#0384: than any ryzen
Jam#0384: might be 6t though
Jam#0384: not certain
Bisexual Billy#9476: There is 6c 12t stuff on 1366 however I don't believe that chipset had anything in the Micro ATX form factor.
"Cobs"#1150: look at hp microservers
Bisexual Billy#9476: There's an X58 version of one of those!?
I'm all ears if there is!
"Cobs"#1150: dunno about x58 but they certainly have newer stuff |
"Cobs"#1150: for one, servers don't overclokc *usually*
"Cobs"#1150: you need to remember servers are about redundancy and reliability, not about how fast they can go
Bisexual Billy#9476: That's what I'm aiming for.
I want to have enough cores to run VMs with one being the live environment.
one being a test environment so I can test improving it.
Exomilav#5434: if i still have blue screens when i get the 5600 XT should i clear CMOS?
Alcyone#2233: usually motherboard bios doesnt have much to do with that if the gpu posts at all
Alcyone#2233: ive only ran into no post issues when its set to uefi on legacy gpu
mi3night#2562: ok so I'm planning to install a wifi card and a NVME 4x adapter onto a b450 tomahawk max ( i dont be using the onboard nvme slot because it disables sata port 5 and 6) On the official page it says ***PCI_E4 will run x2 speed when installing devices in PCI_E2/ PCI_E3 slot.*** PCI_E4 is the 4th slot im going to install the ssd btw. SO basically there's another slot the PCI_E5 slot and it wasn't mentioned in there so if I install a wifi card on pcie5 slot would my nvme 4x adapter run at 4X or will it still be 2x. Here's a pic of the mobo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709645350138282035/1024.png
mi3night#2562: i have 4 hdd and 1 ssd and a BD rom so i need all sata ports
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @Bisexual Billy You *don't* need to have the same (if not more) cores physically as there are being used
wiryfuture🦀#1706: (*ex:*) I have one VM with 12 cores, four VMs with 2 cores and two with 4 cores, but it doesn't mean I need to have 28 cores for it to be reliable. (and perform fine)
Bisexual Billy#9476: @wiryfuture🦀 What CPU are you using out of curiousity.
4c8t might be enough in all fairness, I just wanted to over spec a little to ensure reliablility.
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What hypervisor are you using, I believe KVM/QEMU limits you to the CPU cores on your system? is Xen any different in that regard?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @Bisexual Billy I use xcp-ng (so basically Xen)
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I have a poweredge r620 off ebay because I do lots of stuff
wiryfuture🦀#1706: a web server is fine of 2 cores tbh
Bisexual Billy#9476: Yep.
I was just thinking later down the line if I wanted to host a type of Database under postgres or oracle the extra CPU power is nice to have.
Ruby on Rails servers are perfectly viable with 1-2GB of ram and 2 logical CPU cores.
wiryfuture🦀#1706: You can't have more cores than are physically on your system on one VM, but you can use one physical core on multiple VMs (why I said this earlier:)
> You don't need to have the same (if not more) cores physically as there are being used
Bisexual Billy#9476: Ah, I might look into the limiting "execution rate" so I can split cores with higher per core performance.
Thanks for clearing that up.
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'd be more worried about ram, because xcp-ng has deprecated dynamic memory control (because Xen has) so you'll be stuck with however much ram you assign as boot in the future, unless you decide to use a different hypervisor
Bisexual Billy#9476: Probably be fine 99% of the time without limiting execution rate but I just like the idea of a bit more load balencing.
and yep, that's why I was looking for a smaller board with at least 4 ram slots since I have a spare 16GB stick of DDR4 (and DDR3 being as cheap as it is too). |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: a NAS would probably use the most ram out of everything (from the scenario you said), my FreeNAS seems to be working fine at 4GB, so I think you'd be fine on nearly anything with 4/6 cores that is relatively okay
Bisexual Billy#9476: Ah, that's interesting.
Cheers for the further insight into that.
I've used VMware, QEMU and RHEV (both based on KVM), never used anything Xen before.
is there any gotcha's that you wished you knew about earlier?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: uh
wiryfuture🦀#1706: to control it you either use xcp-ng center or the web interface you can choose to install (xoa-orchestra) but the free version of the web interface is rather limited so you'll basically have to use xcp-ng center @Bisexual Billy
Bisexual Billy#9476: Cheers for that.
that's something I'll need to look into.
JustinXenyx#8854: @mi3night PCI e4 is PCIe 2.0 so your NVMe would run at shit speeds anyway because those slots are on the chipset
JustinXenyx#8854: and PCI-E5 probably has the same restrictions as 2 and 3
Jam#0384: I keep telling him to just use bigger better drives
Jam#0384: One HDD, one or two SSD, keep the BD rom if he wants
BigPierogi#3368: ram is the best storage |
Jam#0384: All these 2000 hdds he has is ridiculous
Jam#0384: It’s also not great for chipset sata connections when considering NVMe
Clode#2428: Is it a bad idea to use win 10 enterprise LTSB?
mi3night#2562: Yeah buy me bigger drives
mi3night#2562: I got those drives for free so
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709835888359637002/image0.png
mi3night#2562: @JustinXenyx I looked at the manual and I think but not sure if I can run it at x4
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah ofc it wont run at x4
JustinXenyx#8854: its an x1 slot
JustinXenyx#8854: in every scenario you're getting cucked by your chipset
Alcyone#2233: id use the boards m.2 and add sata to pch lanes
Alcyone#2233: at least you will get full speed on your os drive that way
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709837844499398676/image0.png
mi3night#2562: This slot
mi3night#2562: @Alcyone how do I add sata to pch |
Alcyone#2233: thats through the chipset at 2.0x4 if there is nothing in the x1s above it.
Alcyone#2233: so m.2 in the boards slot, sata pcie card in the 2nd x16
and you have the bottom x1 for wireless or somethig if you need it
Alcyone#2233: I think that would give you the best lane split and connectivity
gpu at 3.0x16
nvme at 3.0x4
sata at 2.0x4
aux at 2.0x1
mi3night#2562: What’s a good sata card
Alcyone#2233: i dunno man. Ive never used more than 3 sata at a time
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709839914497343528/image0.png,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709839915030151231/image1.png
mi3night#2562: I might get one of these
Alcyone#2233: get one that has at least an x4 connector
Alcyone#2233: that top one is x1 |
Alcyone#2233: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709840103568179300/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: > I think that would give you the best lane split and connectivity
> gpu at 3.0x16
> nvme at 3.0x4
> sata at 2.0x4
> aux at 2.0x1
sata card in x4 automatically kills 2.0x1
JustinXenyx#8854: or anything in the aux x1 slots kills the x4 slot to x2
Alcyone#2233: the bottom slot is always x1 look at the block diagram
JustinXenyx#8854: I thought the PCH only had 4 lanes to itself?
mi3night#2562: I don’t need more than 1gbs for hdd speed anyways
Alcyone#2233: if there is a card in the x1 above the e4 slot it it runs 2.0
mi3night#2562: @"Cobs" would that card work?
mi3night#2562: I’m not raiding I’m just using it as a sata expansion card
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh yeah no, i was going off wrong info |
JustinXenyx#8854: PCI-E2-4 are probably tied into one "lane system" then
Alcyone#2233: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709840951534813244/index.png
JustinXenyx#8854: cause i thought thjere were just 4 2.0 lanes and not 6
"Cobs"#1150: @mi3night that's one of your better choices, yeah.
Alcyone#2233: the chipset links to the cpu at x4
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah that is what confused me
"Cobs"#1150: adaptec are a known brand
"Cobs"#1150: so i'd go with that if i had to pick
"Cobs"#1150: just make sure you can get the drivers
Alcyone#2233: but it can split that x4 into extra lanes
Alcyone#2233: there is still the x4 limit to cpu which is 3.0 on b450 i believe
JustinXenyx#8854: This is the B450 diagram thingie but simplified version i think https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709841289138667520/7.png
Alcyone#2233: but 2.0x4 and 2.0x1 shouldnt saturate that
Alcyone#2233: They should put flow charts in the manual so its easier to decipher
Alcyone#2233: there ez mode https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709846356268810300/unknown.png |
mi3night#2562: bruh
mi3night#2562: why cant msi do that in their manual
mi3night#2562: instead of writing paragraphs of nonsense they can just post this
Alcyone#2233: thats just for ryzen 1k/2k/3k
if it was apu the top x16 is always x8 but otherwise the same
with athlon the top slot is x4 and the m.2 is always x2
I think you could easily fit that info in the picture though
Sulphurite#3623: I'm unsure what to do, so here I am...
I'm working in a case where the front panel ventilation is not possible, it does have mounts for front fans despite doing almost nothing - due to the fans being ~inch away from the front panel plastic. I might be a madlad, however, the case also has a side panel fan mount and I'm actually considering using the exhaust fan as the intake and having the side panel fan blow the air out...would this work?
Sulphurite#3623: Would it be better to do it the other way around or?
Alcyone#2233: use the side as intake, get a magnetic filter to go on the sidepanel
Sulphurite#3623: right, ty
ZeroForsaken#0001: GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 960 SC 2GB? |
ZeroForsaken#0001: The 1050 ti im looking at is 100, while the 960 SC is 70
ZeroForsaken#0001: For context ^
JustinXenyx#8854: I think both are overpriced to make that clear beforehand
JustinXenyx#8854: But if those are the only two options, 1050Ti
JustinXenyx#8854: the 960 is getting majorly limited by the 2GB of VRAM
ZeroForsaken#0001: I seeee
ZeroForsaken#0001: Also overpriced? Those are the lowest prices I can find on those
CaptainFlanger#2563: ... depends on where you are.
CaptainFlanger#2563: Not everyone can get great deals from time to time.
ZeroForsaken#0001: Yeah, I’m in IL
ZeroForsaken#0001: I rarely get any good offers in the local area when it comes to pc parts
JustinXenyx#8854: > Also overpriced? Those are the lowest prices I can find on those
Yeah but for the price those make no sense
ZeroForsaken#0001: So to me, the 100 is considered “good”
JustinXenyx#8854: If you're comfortable with ordering used stuff online i'm sure you could find something better for 100€ |
ZeroForsaken#0001: Well, it’s USD over here, but I probably can honestly
ZeroForsaken#0001: I’ll keep looking then
ZeroForsaken#0001: Thank you
tdp2612#3835: IL?
tdp2612#3835: as in illilililililililinnoy
CaptainFlanger#2563: I guess.
ZeroForsaken#0001: Yess siirrrrr
tdp2612#3835: you should be fine, youre not quite in the middle of nowhere
ZeroForsaken#0001: Even tho that’s not how you spell itttttt
tdp2612#3835: :epicgamer:
ZeroForsaken#0001: I’m in the ghetto side of Chicago. Literally no one has PCs over here 💀
CaptainFlanger#2563: Lemme guess, they have Macs.
CaptainFlanger#2563: :Hahahahaha:
ZeroForsaken#0001: Me going up to my friends and saying “I’m building a gaming pc” is the equivalent of saying “bro I bought a lambo” in their eyes
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh i thought IL as in ireland :Hahahahaha: |
ZeroForsaken#0001: :Thonking:
ZeroForsaken#0001: Fat F
JustinXenyx#8854: But given that you are in the US
JustinXenyx#8854: Just use eBay for used parts
CaptainFlanger#2563: Looking around eBay and the 1060 6 gb cost somewhere around $100-170-ish.
JustinXenyx#8854: Sure it won't be really good value but sure as hell better than the shit you get locally
ZeroForsaken#0001: Alright how about this
ZeroForsaken#0001: I found a Sapphire Radeon Pulse RX 570 4GB for 90 bucks
JustinXenyx#8854: That's more like it
JustinXenyx#8854: Pretty sure you could find 8GB ones for 100 bucks tho or 4GB ones for slightly cheaper
JustinXenyx#8854: But otherwise that is really solid
ZeroForsaken#0001: Alright, ima try to go through with it
CaptainFlanger#2563: The RX 570s are still solid even today, my friends are hunting down for it.
CaptainFlanger#2563: ... if they can get good deals, of course. :epicgamer:
ZeroForsaken#0001: Gg? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709899055630778368/image0.jpg |
tdp2612#3835: you already bought it?
ZeroForsaken#0001: Yessir
ZeroForsaken#0001: I’m hoping I did the right thing
Sentient Potato#6003: What card?
ZeroForsaken#0001: ISapphire Radeon Pulse RX 570 4GB for 90 bucks
Sentient Potato#6003: Awesome
Exomilav#5434: Amp requirements for Vega 56?
Jam#0384: 100A
Jam#0384: on the 3.3V ril
Jam#0384: aka look it up :epicgamer:
Jam#0384: probably somewhere between 30-45A on the 12V
JustinXenyx#8854: Google "Power consumption for Vega 56", find a reputable source and divide their number by 12
Exomilav#5434: I tried to boot my computer tonight and the GPU wasnt being powered, reseated and the GPU fans spun, now CPU isnt working. Tried reseating CPU, resetting CMOS, EZ Debug light is still on
Exomilav#5434: What do
Exomilav#5434: Also unplugged and replugged the CPU connector already |
JustinXenyx#8854: Simplify first.
JustinXenyx#8854: Leave in only what is needed and replace stuff with components you know are working
Racey#8574: breadboard it
Racey#8574: start off only with one RAM stick, the CPU and cooler, the PSU, the boot drive, and the GPU
JustinXenyx#8854: Not even that
JustinXenyx#8854: Just CPU, 1 RAM stick, Mobo, PSU and a known working GPU
JustinXenyx#8854: cooler is legit optional for boot test
Exomilav#5434: CPU light on
Exomilav#5434: :crome:
Exomilav#5434: Trying with a different RAM kit as if itll help with anything
Exomilav#5434: CPU light on
Deleted User#0000: so
Deleted User#0000: does the b450 Gaming Plus works with R5 3600?
Deleted User#0000: ive searched but im unsure about the results
Racey#8574: @Deleted User BIOS update |
JustinXenyx#8854: Yes but also kind of no
JustinXenyx#8854: It probably will not work out of the box
JustinXenyx#8854: But after updating the bios with a Ryzen 3000 compatible one it should work just fine
Deleted User#0000: how would one up the BIOS without a previous gen cpu?
JustinXenyx#8854: Depending on the board use bios flashback or you can request a bootkit from AMD
Deleted User#0000: i mean, im getting both on a very good deal (price wise)
Deleted User#0000: oh
JustinXenyx#8854: You have to keep in mind though, you will very likely sacrifice some sort of bios feature/s and older gen cpu support for Ryzen 3000 support, because bla bla bla bioschip to small bla bla bla
Racey#8574: 64 MB chip iirc
Racey#8574: I'm dumb and might be wrong tho
Deleted User#0000: oh..
Deleted User#0000: so if i dont have the correct bios will it turn on or not even light anything?
Racey#8574: I'm on my latest BIOS and idk about any feature loss
JustinXenyx#8854: The board will essentially say "fuck you, invalid CPU"
Racey#8574: Lol |
JustinXenyx#8854: > 64 MB chip iirc
not even in the slightest
Racey#8574: 16
JustinXenyx#8854: think more like 32Megabit or something like that
Racey#8574: so 4 megabytes
Racey#8574: jesus fuck that's small
JustinXenyx#8854: Correction: 64Megabit, more like 8Megabyte
Racey#8574: ~~and that's what my ex said~~
Deleted User#0000: lol
Exomilav#5434: WHAT https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709975346199658546/20200512_204813.jpg
JustinXenyx#8854: I am sorry to correct myself again: The chip itself is 16MB usually for most motherboards, but since apparently AM4 boards do some weird thing where they have the BIOS on there twice in a similar way to dual bios it's more like 8MB usable
Exomilav#5434: Swapped out gpu what to heck
JustinXenyx#8854: imagine your 780ti actually died and i just jokingly said that like a couple hours ago 😂
Exomilav#5434: The fans spun and the VGA light wasnt on so i was like
Exomilav#5434: bruh my CPU gone |
Exomilav#5434: Nope its a 780ti
Exomilav#5434: Tbf i had no IO plate and the DP bracket thing mightve shorted out the cable connector
Exomilav#5434: So i either cucked the cable or the card
JustinXenyx#8854: > Swapped out gpu what to heck
what kind of voodoo shit did you do then
Exomilav#5434: I swapped it out then it posted
Exomilav#5434: GTX 480 now in there
JustinXenyx#8854: to make it painfully clear: you took out your 780ti, put a 480 into it and now it works again?
Exomilav#5434: Yes
Exomilav#5434: damn even EZ Debug lies to me
Exomilav#5434: Cant trust nobody in detroit
Exomilav#5434: Damn i just thought of the saddest quote ive ever heard
Exomilav#5434: "Sometimes, the technology does lie"
Exomilav#5434: :crome:
Exomilav#5434: @JustinXenyx |
Deleted User#0000: is there a good difference between the 3600 to its X variant?
JustinXenyx#8854: 3600X is just a slightly higher clocked 3600
JustinXenyx#8854: so usually not worth it
Deleted User#0000: is 2400mhz too bad for one of these then?
Deleted User#0000: i mean idk
some time ago i was thinking it only would work properly with 3000mhz memories but oof they too expensive
Deleted User#0000: and oh, gpu wise i got an 2070 so it would match perfectly i guess
Alcyone#2233: I agree with Justin for the most part. But if the price is close and you're not going to upgrade the stock cooling. A 3600x could be worth considering on that alone https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/709994537778675792/2019-07-21-image-3.png
Racey#8574: the 3600X is also better binned
Alcyone#2233: if 3600 and a heatpipe cooler is cheaper though the value is questionable. I'm sure with basic tuning the performance would exceed a stock 3600x
Racey#8574: because it should be slightly obvious with it's higher clocks out of the box lmao
Deleted User#0000: a
Deleted User#0000: whats a minimal type of memory to use with a 3600?
(for good perfomance)
Deleted User#0000: the minimum freq. of memory for good perfomance* |
Racey#8574: I'd recommend 2866 at least
Racey#8574: A simple overclock will bring you to 3200 MHz or higher anyway lol
Juryfury#6020: Yo guys
Juryfury#6020: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710070285101039706/IMG-77d606df0e83ae8e8f8f2be99a5848ab-V.jpg
Juryfury#6020: Is this worth of buying for 250 €
DarknessFalls229#2286: ive seen 1070's go for around and below 200 euro, but it depends on your market if its a good deal @Juryfury
TheSwiftTiger#8189: if you have 2x4gb sticks now and buy 1x8gb stick you can still put them in dual channel right
Juryfury#6020: yeah my friend wanted to buy it so i wanted a second opinion tnx
Miki2305#5707: @Juryfury https://www.njuskalo.hr/graficke-kartice/gigabyte-gtx-1070-g1-8gb-oglas-31445511
Alcyone#2233: @TheSwiftTiger yes but you will still only have 8gb in dual channel mode then 8 in single
Alcyone#2233: also mixed memory ic can have issues working together, but if its in a locked board it probably doesnt matter at such low clocks
TheSwiftTiger#8189: can you not put the 2x4gb on one channel and the 1x8gb on the other channel or is that not how it works
Racey#8574: @TheSwiftTiger Alcyone just explained
jojosensei#4198: I need some advice. I have a low profile old card in my pc. In device manager it's called hd 7000 series (?) And there is no GPU showing in task manager.
tdp2612#3835: hd 7000 series makes it sound like onboard graphics |
tdp2612#3835: or a very low end card
jojosensei#4198: Yep it's a a oem card I think
Lady Mipha#0611: @jojosensei can you get a photo of it
jojosensei#4198: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710217550461403236/IMG_20200513_214922.jpg
Alcyone#2233: @TheSwiftTiger it usually goes into flex mode like i said above. but maybe if they were 2x single rank 4gb dimms in one channel and an 8gb dual rank dimm in the other it would run in dual channel 16gb. afaik all the imc sees is ranks of memory. I haven't experimented with it much.
jojosensei#4198: The best I can get for now
Alcyone#2233: do you have gpuz?
jojosensei#4198: Nop
Alcyone#2233: get that and the shader count could tell you what it is. most likely a 7730 or 7750
Alcyone#2233: you need a drivers for the gpu to function correctly
tdp2612#3835: ah it was missing drivers then
JustinXenyx#8854: that is not a 7730 or 7750 @Alcyone
JustinXenyx#8854: That is probably a HD7450
Lady Mipha#0611: nah seems more like a 7570
Lady Mipha#0611: because my 7450 has a black fan |
Lady Mipha#0611: @JustinXenyx
JustinXenyx#8854: either way they're not really powerful cards
JustinXenyx#8854: also fan color stuff can be production difference
jojosensei#4198: My shader count is 160 unified
jojosensei#4198: After some search it seems to be an HD 7470
Exomilav#5434: 5600 XT RAW II for 270 on best buy 😳
Exomilav#5434: should i cop?
Exomilav#5434: Covid money better come soon smh
TheFifthAce#4128: no that's bad bad price
TheFifthAce#4128: don't buy a 5600 xt
TheFifthAce#4128: its such a useless card
TheFifthAce#4128: buy a 5700
JustinXenyx#8854: > Covid money better come soon smh
people that spend their stimulus check on dumb shit and non essential shit should rightfully go fuck themselves
Racey#8574: well the stimulus check is just meant to go right back into the government |
Racey#8574: lol
Racey#8574: they really don't care if we live or not
Exomilav#5434: :Xdxdxd:
Xbox 360 1953#2640: can't wait for my dad to get his stim check so that he can gimme some
Xbox 360 1953#2640: i need a new drive
Xbox 360 1953#2640: this ones gettin clicky
Exomilav#5434: didnt i say i was only looking for a card that could deliver similar FPS to my Vega 56 @TheFifthAce
JustinXenyx#8854: Exo man
JustinXenyx#8854: 5600XT barely makes sense with a 5700 basically costing the same across a lot of cards
Exomilav#5434: listing just came up for 220 👀
Exomilav#5434: someone's probably gonna get it before i can
Exomilav#5434: @JustinXenyx not what im seeing. on newegg the cheapest new 5700 is 330 + tax and shipping. cheapest new 5600 XT is 280 + tax and shipping
Exomilav#5434: just saying
Deleted User#0000: 4790 to 9700F is a good difference?
Deleted User#0000: or not really worth it in terms of perfomance |
tdp2612#3835: i wouldnt bother
tdp2612#3835: its a huge upgrade but for the high and low end modern intel stuff, youd be better off going ryzen
tdp2612#3835: and unless youre getting a great deal on the 9700f, a 3600 is similar in games and a lot cheaper at normal prices
Clode#2428: Idk why bue suddently my email acount as an final dot
Clode#2428: Is it normal?
russ_the_b#5525: no
Clode#2428: Is there like any possibility that ive been hacked or some shit?
tdp2612#3835: as an final dot?
tdp2612#3835: what does that mean
Jam#0384: Idk
mi3night#2562: @Deleted User> its a huge upgrade but for the high and low end modern intel stuff, youd be better off going ryzen -----by @tdp2612
tdp2612#3835: @mi3night oi stop copying my sound advice
mi3night#2562: @tdp2612 im quoting u
tdp2612#3835: i dunno if you can quote with a word before the >
mi3night#2562: bru |
tdp2612#3835: im confused ok
tdp2612#3835: @Deleted User listen to @mi3night
Deleted User#0000: yup
FuckinReece#0021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yhUPfDslcE check out this really poorly faked "30 year old pc" restoration video
JustinXenyx#8854: lmaooooo
Xbox 360 1953#2640: >30
>intel stock cooler
Xbox 360 1953#2640: seems about right
JustinXenyx#8854: it runs windows 10
JustinXenyx#8854: no 30 year old computer is capable of running Win10 smoothly
Xbox 360 1953#2640: that hdd tho
FuckinReece#0021: never mind the fact it goes from being a core 2 duo to an i5
BigPierogi#3368: he replaced the psu i think
FuckinReece#0021: the case is entirely different at the end of the video too
mi3night#2562: @JustinXenyx no 30 year old computer is capable of running windows 10 |
mi3night#2562: also at the end theres a different pc case
mi3night#2562: so it's 10000000% fake
mi3night#2562: take a look on the hdd
mi3night#2562: HE USED TOOTHBRUSH TO CLEAN THE HDD
Deleted User#0000: is it ok putting 3000mhz or more memories on 2666 cpus?
SuSSudio#2688: I just experienced this thing with my PC.
So, i've been getting random lock ups while playing games off my 2ndary drive, including HDD clicking noise. I went & took my video card apart to see how the thermal paste looked, it looked fine. So i put it back, fired up rig, went through boot, it was all good.
A moment later, i loaded a game off my HDD, it locked up the system for literally a few mins, can't move shit, not even ctrl + alt + del worked. Things got back together a moment later.
Turned off my rig, checking in case i forgot plugging stuff, fired rig back on, and it locks up in BIOS POST screen. a number of restarts led to same occurence. plugged off my 2nd HDD & it finally boots. later i took off my gfx card & plugged both drives in, same thing. It's just with video card the rig refused to boot.
What could be causing this? my dad said it had something to do with DMA, but i wonder if you lads had different opinions in this matter.
Racey#8574: @Deleted User it'll just slow down to the maximum speed the CPU can use |
Deleted User#0000: oh ok
jay1185#0112: @SuSSudio The HDD clicking shouldn't be ignored. It's probably time to get your data off of there and replace that drive, ASAP.
I'm a little confuzzled. You said "plugged off my 2nd HDD & it finally boots."(was this w/o the GPU?), and, "It's just with the video card the rig refused to boot."
Also, what are your system specs? Just curious.
SuSSudio#2688: @jay1185 I mean the system wouldn't boot with the video card installed, only when the card was took apart the system would boot in with 2 drives.
Asus P5G41T-M LX3
C2Q Q9450
Cyclone R6850
SuSSudio#2688: I can boot like normal now with video card & both drives installed, but when i game at certain point the HDD would go clicking again, this even with SSD partitioned game
jay1185#0112: that's a weird happening. maybe either your card is dying or overheating. that shouldn't cause any HDD clicks, though.
SuSSudio#2688: I'm sensing the PSU as the cause of the issue, would you think so?
jay1185#0112: that could definitely be an issue. is it too small for your system? |
SuSSudio#2688: I just edited my msg that only at certain point amidst gameplay the 2nd hdd would make the clicking noise
SuSSudio#2688: 400W 80+ cheapo unit
jay1185#0112: ahh. hmm do you know the +12V Amp rating?
SuSSudio#2688: Hold on i'll send you a screenshot here, wait a sec
jay1185#0112: right on. i might not be the best at helping but i try lol
SuSSudio#2688: Does that even look safe to you?
Lady Mipha#0611: that’s totally not safe @SuSSudio
Lady Mipha#0611: 10v is too low
SuSSudio#2688: Typing this from my pc now, just got it responding again
SuSSudio#2688: Mind you that HDD still works as intended when it doesn't generate that noise.
SuSSudio#2688: Only up to a certain point it would generate such noise & cause system instability
jay1185#0112: i was wondering about the Amperage rating on your PSU. like, my +12V rail is rated 42Amps.
Yeah, your 12V rail should be at least at 12V.
SuSSudio#2688: Mine's 28A 12V+ |
SuSSudio#2688: That's about 330W right?
jay1185#0112: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710821205648605265/hwmon.png
jay1185#0112: not including efficiency
SuSSudio#2688: Yeah i guess it's my PSU that needs replacing now, been 7 months with this unit
jay1185#0112: what brand, just curious?
SuSSudio#2688: Enlight Black Silver 400W
jay1185#0112: gotcha. never heard of them. seems local to indonesia?
SuSSudio#2688: Indeed
SuSSudio#2688: Just to put it here as i couldn't post it in time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710822007163584542/hwmonitorvoltage.PNG
jay1185#0112: either way, I'm thinking that might be your problem
SuSSudio#2688: Alright i'll be looking for the replacement while i'm preparing my budget
Lady Mipha#0611: yeah that’s the problem because the 12v line is being pulled too much
SuSSudio#2688: Makes sense
jay1185#0112: not enough JUICE! 😛
SuSSudio#2688: it's probably unhealthy to keep it this way, i'll take off my video card soon |
Lady Mipha#0611: it shouldn’t say 10v on a 12v line
Lady Mipha#0611: yeah
SuSSudio#2688: > it shouldn’t say 10v on a 12v line
That was under gaming load
CaptainFlanger#2563: 11.8v seem safe to y'all?
Lady Mipha#0611: yes @CaptainFlanger
CaptainFlanger#2563: Because I'm wondering the same thing too. Instability could cause by 12 volt line isn't delivering proper 12 volts anymore.
Deleted User#0000: 1.4 volts or more is a normal voltage for amd cpus right?
Lady Mipha#0611: i would tone that down slightly @Deleted User
TheSwiftTiger#8189: what config do i put a 1x8gb dual rank stick and 2x4gb single rank sticks https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710850422696312852/unknown.png
TheSwiftTiger#8189: also the manual says "It is unable to activate Dual Channel Memory Technology with only one or three memory module installed", but in some configs the bios says that it's in dual channel mode and in some it doesn't
The United States Air Force#7904: I wonder if a 300 watt psu is good enough for an r7 250 1gb gddr5, i5 750, and 8gb ram
tdp2612#3835: potentially
tdp2612#3835: although the 750 would probably be the bit i wouldnt trust
tdp2612#3835: i wouldnt do it anyway though, no point |
The United States Air Force#7904: hmm
SuSSudio#2688: i5 750 is still somewhat passable if you exclusively play lighter games like gta v, csgo, dota 2 & some indie games... Atleast it's a quad core unlike i5 650.
SuSSudio#2688: If you haven't got the 750 already, i'd suggest you to get the xeon x3450 which has 4c/8t at an identical price to i5 750.
SuSSudio#2688: https://youtu.be/kppY3XygbQQ
MythologicalZ#3752: issue with 1156 is you need to oc to make it keep uo
MythologicalZ#3752: and on a 300w psu
MythologicalZ#3752: you probably cant
Yannikau#9606: Delete this before it summons dollardeals
tdp2612#3835: :epicgamer:
Exomilav#5434: nice greenscreen there RGinHD
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Any aios you guys would avoid?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: For 3800x
MythologicalZ#3752: all of them, go air :epicgamer:
MythologicalZ#3752: realistically though, just cm because shit qc
JustinXenyx#8854: AIOs are generally rather pointless for most people to be fair |
JustinXenyx#8854: Either go full water cooling or go home
MythologicalZ#3752: go nab that arctic that gn covered a while back
MythologicalZ#3752: seems like the best value unit around rn
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh yeah that one seems like a solid AIO
JustinXenyx#8854: but i'd still go with air
JustinXenyx#8854: AIOs have the hassle of water cooling without the advantages
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah I would personally also stick to air
MythologicalZ#3752: but if aio only, defs the new freezer
Xbox 360 1953#2640: my friend has said proc and wants to eventually get an aio fsr
Jam#0384: If I had the money I would watercool some dtuff
Jam#0384: Not my main rig, but other projects
wiryfuture🦀#1706: what do you guys think this could be? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/amd-hd-7970/164201299322?hash=item263b28fd7a:g:068AAOSwhjNevvjF
wiryfuture🦀#1706: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710984181282242580/unknown.png
wiryfuture🦀#1706: this doesn't look right https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/710984506307379241/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: 2 thick vertical lines on screen are NEVER an easy fix |
JustinXenyx#8854: Could be VRAM or core spazzing out
gemsticks#2781: ok so i have a quesiton regarding my pc
gemsticks#2781: its cpu is ryzen 3 1200, gpu is a 1050 ti, and it has 16gb of ram
gemsticks#2781: i was wondering, is it possible to downgrade it to w7?
gemsticks#2781: im just not a huge fan of 10 or 8.1
JustinXenyx#8854: I'm pretty sure it's possible, but basically fucking pointless
JustinXenyx#8854: What makes you not like 10 or 8.1?
gemsticks#2781: bloatware
gemsticks#2781: i did debloat them
gemsticks#2781: but i just prefer 7 overall
JustinXenyx#8854: Just the bloatware? If you prefer 7 overall there is something you still don't like about 8.1 and 10
gemsticks#2781: i cant really explain it, but i just prefer how 7 was
JustinXenyx#8854: Because you'd essentially just kick yourself in the nuts in basically every way with using Windows 7. You'd loose out on security, you'll loose program support sooner than you expect it too, and Windows 10 is a solid bit lighter than 7 and 8.1 if i remember right
JustinXenyx#8854: If you want to use Windows 7 all power to ya, but i personally think it would be a dumb move
gemsticks#2781: got it |
gemsticks#2781: but anyways, if i were to go back to 7, how would i find the drivers to do so
JustinXenyx#8854: I think this is where Google and Reddit would help you out a ton, since i really haven't done something like that and both Google and Reddit will have lengthy tutorials on how to install Windows 7 and where to get all the proper drivers
gemsticks#2781: im probably gonna dual boot 7 and 10, just to be safe, but even then, is that possible or no?
JustinXenyx#8854: dual booting should be not a major issue
JustinXenyx#8854: Like the more difficult thing will be installing Windows 7 itself, dual booting should not be the thing you should be "worried" about
gemsticks#2781: but, correct me if im wrong, doesnt win7 require mbr, and not gpt
JustinXenyx#8854: You would have to make 2 partitions anyway
JustinXenyx#8854: Which means you'd have a GPT one for Windows 10 and a MBR one for Windows 7
JustinXenyx#8854: But i am pretty sure you can install Windows 7 on GPT as well, again Google will probably have something in more detail on how to do it
JustinXenyx#8854: Or you need to install Windows 7 on MBR and then once installed convert that MBR partition into GPT
JustinXenyx#8854: Wait, scratch that: You can boot only with MBR if you have a PC with a normal BIOS and you can boot in GPT if your system has UEFI
tdp2612#3835: i thought win 7 doesnt like 14nm
tdp2612#3835: or is it anything *under* 14nm it doesnt work with
MythologicalZ#3752: No, it's just difficult to boot
MythologicalZ#3752: Plus if you want to daily it for some stupid reason, there are update issues |
tdp2612#3835: so it doesnt like it / properly support it
MythologicalZ#3752: ehhh, debatable
MythologicalZ#3752: its ms who doesn't like people running it
MythologicalZ#3752: there are tons of gains when running 7 so its not like performance takes a hit
BigPierogi#3368: does 7 even support usb 3
BigPierogi#3368: or am i thinking of an older os
MythologicalZ#3752: you need drivers for it to work, no native support afaik
Lady Mipha#0611: 7 supports usb 3 @BigPierogi ^^^^^
BigPierogi#3368: also they added dx12 right
BigPierogi#3368: like not that long ago
Lady Mipha#0611: i would say partly on that one
MythologicalZ#3752: its for wow or some shit
MythologicalZ#3752: wont work for ts
BigPierogi#3368: bru
jojosensei#4198: What is the cause of a black screen after installation of a new GPU ? |
kittycat959#2895: drivers?
kittycat959#2895: you could try booting into safe mode
jojosensei#4198: tried something like this and it started... dn't know how but.... So for now I have a sff case with a mini 750ti in it
TheFifthAce#4128: ew windows 7
UwE#7715: Where is this cable supposed to fit?
UwE#7715: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711279513513754634/image0.png
JustinXenyx#8854: Does your case have any RGB LEDs inside of it?
JustinXenyx#8854: Because that very likely is the cable that you connect to your motherboard to control those RGB LEDs
UwE#7715: There’s nothing on the motherboard that fits it. Do I need like a rgb controller or something
JustinXenyx#8854: If your motherboard has absolutely no place where that goes then yeah you need an RGB controller
JustinXenyx#8854: What motherboard btw?
UwE#7715: B450 auros elite
UwE#7715: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711280589936001125/image0.png
JustinXenyx#8854: Check under the last PCIe slot
JustinXenyx#8854: There should be a 5pin RGBW header |
UwE#7715: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711281330112954429/image0.png
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah, LED_C
UwE#7715: Doesn’t fit anywhere. I’ll look at these rgb controllers
UwE#7715: Thanks very much though
JustinXenyx#8854: ? It should fit though
JustinXenyx#8854: Or is the cable not long enough?
UwE#7715: No, it’s the fan that came with the case. And it’s this big chunky cable
UwE#7715: Doesn’t fit in the led c
uoʇsodɾ#2412: How hot can Skylake run 24/7 overclocked (4.5GHz on all cores) without the chip degrading in a 5 year time span? The i7 6700K is getting 5 years old now. What about 14nm Broadwell? What was there OC lifespan like? I use to have a few Intel X9000 that was pushed to 3.2GHz and kept under 70C. They would reliably fail in a year's time. I welcome educated guesses. I have a I7-4700MQ that now has issues getting to it's correct boost speed because I pushed it above 3GHz on all cores while running at 90C. It will phantoms throttle now. I am asking because I am trying to get the most out of my i7-7820X. It is currently at 4GHz AVX2 all core OC without going over 85C. I personally don't think that the chip can safely go over 87C for 24/7 folding but that is just a guess. (Also I paid a lot less for the chip than what it retails. It was more cost effective than a AMD Threadripper mostly because of the cooler options that work well with it and could fit in a 4u case. I later got a 8u case to fit bigger coolers and more HDD but that was not a option at the time.)
Lumaterian#3557: haswell was 22nm
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I thought some of the X99 chips where 14nm.
Lumaterian#3557: correct
Lumaterian#3557: the broadwell ones
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Thanks. Fixed.
Lumaterian#3557: 🙂 |
Lumaterian#3557: as for lifespan, the way I understand is it as long as you don't run them at tjmax and keep the voltage reasonable they last a looong time
uoʇsodɾ#2412: That is why I mentioned the X9000 and the I7-4700MQ. They both where under the TJ Max and failed in a year. 35C and 5C under respectively.
Lumaterian#3557: 4700MQ could be vrm failure on the board
Lumaterian#3557: most laptops don't have proper cooling for them
Lumaterian#3557: by X9000 I assume you mean a core 2 quad?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The Dell heatsink for the M6800 has active cooling for the VRM. I put a I7 4900MQ in it and it was happy again. X9000 is a 45nm Core 2 Duo.
Lumaterian#3557: hmm, that's odd
Lumaterian#3557: no idea on the 4700MQ then
Lumaterian#3557: I've done a lot of high-voltage overclocks but never for sustained periods of time
Lumaterian#3557: like my 1600AF can do 4.2 at 1.375v but I run it at 4.0/1.2v so it'll last longer
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The X9000 would last forever if kept at 2.8GHz while running at 99C.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I found Intel 45nm to be very volt happy. It did horrible things to the chip while OCed 24/7. Over time it would need more volts or a lower clock speed at the same voltage. Failure was often sudden. I found it needed 1.35V to get to 3.2GHz. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/34443/intel-core-2-extreme-processor-x9000-6m-cache-2-80-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Is there a way to do a SMART check on a drive that is connected to my LSI 9272 without shutting down my computer? I think I know how to do it in it's BIOS but would like to do it through the MegaRAID software. I have a drive that is reporting 0C when all the other drives are reporting 34C.
Orphanzombie#3114: Hey guys i have a i5-4690k + gtx 980ti is it worth ditching lga1150 and move onto newer ryzen either one of the series 1-3 or just upgrade to an i7 4790k and stay on the same motherboard?
Jam#0384: Ryzen 100% |
Jam#0384: I upgraded from my 4790K to a Ryzen 3700X and even my GTX 1080Ti saw better utilization
Jam#0384: The 4790K is also a terrible value
Jam#0384: They often go for $150-$250
Jam#0384: I would genuinely consider a Ryzen 3600 over that, with a B450 board.
Jam#0384: And just keep the 980Ti for the meantime.
Jam#0384: It's still a good card.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Zen 1 IPC is equal to 4th gen Intel. Zen 2 IPC can be better than Sky( whatever they call it) or just under it.
Jam#0384: You're going to be bottlenecked after 1080/2060Super/2070ish performance on the 4790K
Jam#0384: I mean it wouldn't be the worst thing ever, but Zen 2 or 3 whenever that comes out is probably going to be the best option.
Jam#0384: @Orphanzombie
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I like what AMD has done with Zen 2. The IO die is a very creative way to cut cost while increasing performance. Also the small core chipletts are easer to bin for AMD than the X299 single die is for Intel. I suspect some of the IPC loss on Zen 1 is from how the CPU was more like NUMA nodes than a single CPU. The IO die would fix any poor handling when the software was not optimized for the chiplett approach.
Orphanzombie#3114: Thanks for all the sugestions yeah im gunna keep 980ti issue is i really dont wanna have to reinstall windows as im still on 7 and have so much shit on these hdds that i like having access too, is there still a way to upgrade to windows 10 without nuking stuff on my c drive as well as installed programs and stuff?
Jam#0384: yes
Orphanzombie#3114: and i probably will upgrade to a ryzen i didnt realise the prices were so low as i saw a thread ripper 1900x for 150 pounds or something on amazon which looked kinda interesting
Jam#0384: it wont format |
Jam#0384: Dont go threadripper
Jam#0384: the 1900x+mobo will perform worse than a 3700X with B450
Jam#0384: for more
uoʇsodɾ#2412: If you could get a good deal on the I7, say like $100, the the I7 could still make sense. If they wanted above $200 the ryzen chip is the better buy.
Orphanzombie#3114: would it be possible to upgrade windows and keep files at the same time as changing cpu and motherboard?
Orphanzombie#3114: because i know windows hates mobo changes
Jam#0384: I did it
Jam#0384: I literally just moved my harddrive from my 4790k
Jam#0384: to my ryzen
Jam#0384: and it worked
Jam#0384: So, just install W10 now
Jam#0384: then move it over when you upgrade
Jam#0384: You can upgrade OS without losing files
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Also Threadripper coolers that are any good go for $500 and up. They are known to overwhelm air coolers and there are no good AIO for Threadripper.
Orphanzombie#3114: aio i dont mind jury rigging with cable ties XD ive done it on budget pcs in teh past lel |
Orphanzombie#3114: but yeah normal ryzen is probably the way to go
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The problem with AIO and threadripper is that the waterblock doesn't cover all of the hot spots. The only one that does is the Eneramax but it will stop working in about a few months to a year because of corrosion. And they will make you pay shipping to china so they can "fix" it with a fix that dosen't work.
Orphanzombie#3114: Yeah thats probably true as the ihs on threadrippers were insane lol
uoʇsodɾ#2412: My top 3 favorite Zen 2 chips are the; Ryzen 7 3700X, Ryzen 5 3600, and the well binned Ryzen 7 3800X.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The 1600AF gets an honorable mention but as I understand it is currently overpriced because of demand. "Sorry" -Steve from GN
mi3night#2562: @uoʇsodɾ ryzen 3 3100/3300x?
mi3night#2562: It beats the 1600af in gaming
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://www.gamersnexus.net/tag/buyer-s-guide
mi3night#2562: Sure it’s 4c8t but if ur gaming then
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07XTQZJ28 It's a 6 core 12 thread. It's just a bit slow on the clock speed. Even it's OC speed can be a little low. It's sub $100 price tag makes it a highly sought after chip.
Gamefreak924#5901: hey guys, I'm having an issue where I can't get my printer to work with my computer. Only shows up now in the device manager as "USB Composite Device" with the status "Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware because a previous instance of the device driver is still in memory. (Code 38)
The driver could not be loaded because a previous version of the driver is still in memory."
Any helpful solutions? I tried installing some drivers, but unfortunately it's not working. And my printer is quite old. HP PSC 1210xi. |
Orphanzombie#3114: would ddu or another driver uninstaller work for you
Orphanzombie#3114: try to uninstall the drivers completely with one of those
Orphanzombie#3114: then do a clean install
wiryfuture🦀#1706: what custom recovery should I use on something that shipped with android 4.1.2?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'm new to the whole flashing thing
wiryfuture🦀#1706: clockwork recovery is one I've heard of?
Lumaterian#3557: TWRP
Lumaterian#3557: I've been using TWRP since about android 4.1 and it's pretty dope
CaptainFlanger#2563: CWM is outdated heck.
CaptainFlanger#2563: But some phones do need CWM if they aren't supported by TWRP.
wiryfuture🦀#1706: ok
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it's not supported by TWRP
CaptainFlanger#2563: What model?
CaptainFlanger#2563: I could try to look up for some "unofficial builds".
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it's a Samsung EK-GC100 |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: one of their galaxy cameras
CaptainFlanger#2563: Ah...
CaptainFlanger#2563: Interesting. I'll let you know if I found some hidden gems.
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I want to try update it
wiryfuture🦀#1706: but I can't get into the bootloader
wiryfuture🦀#1706: like, when I type ``adb reboot bootloader`` or ``adb reboot fastboot``, it reboots normally
wiryfuture🦀#1706: also, apparently my device has been 'modified' because when I press check for system updates it says that lol
wiryfuture🦀#1706: there's no oem unlock button 😦
CaptainFlanger#2563: Wait, the Galaxy Camera have locked bootloader?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: idk
wiryfuture🦀#1706: there's no option to unlock it
wiryfuture🦀#1706: so yes?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I can't even get in the bootloader
CaptainFlanger#2563: Damn... I don't think the Galaxy Camera is a mod friendly.
CaptainFlanger#2563: Is it rooted? |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: FUCKK
wiryfuture🦀#1706: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2547757
wiryfuture🦀#1706: they hosted it on devhost which isn't supported by xda anymore
CaptainFlanger#2563: shit
CaptainFlanger#2563: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386856
wiryfuture🦀#1706: that's a different model
wiryfuture🦀#1706: 110
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I have a 100 to play with
CaptainFlanger#2563: Oof, what's the noticeable difference between the two?
CaptainFlanger#2563: Them both do use similar Exynos 4412, right?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: idk but in that first post they say that it doesn't work on 110s so I'd assume there's a difference in something
CaptainFlanger#2563: Hmm.
MitsuM17CHi#7098: What's a cheap graphics card i can throw in a computer? My computer isn't very good graphics wise (64mb, its from vista days) but i got it for free and im just looking to throw something in it, been looking around ebay, ideally want a 2gb one but seeing 1gb ones going for around £16. Looking to do a bit of PS2 emulation and play Automation without the janked graphics.
tdp2612#3835: if its a meh vista era prebuilt
tdp2612#3835: youll likely struggle with a lot of ps2 emulation for heavier games |
Dogecode#7321: Realistically even something as low end as an hd 6450 would make a massive difference especially with the 1gb variant
MitsuM17CHi#7098: I can pull the specs up
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its a HP Compaq DX7500 Microtower
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its got a 80gb ssd, G45 chipset, Pentium E5300 @2.6GHz, and 4gb of DDR2 Ram
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its like a crappy office tower basically for making spreadsheets and powerpoints but i got it for free so im not complaining
MitsuM17CHi#7098: And when your graphics look like this well i think it definitely needs something (that was before the old HDD died but putting an SSD just improved load times) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711604137707700244/JPEG_20200305_202511.jpg
JustinXenyx#8854: I doubt that PS2 emulation would work very well on that processor, given that they recommend you have atleast 2 cores with 4 threads and a "passmark singlethread performance of 1600"
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its a dual core and dual thread
JustinXenyx#8854: and your E5300 barely does 1000 points in that passmark test, if we forget about the lack of threads even that would not be enough
MitsuM17CHi#7098: I did think of throwing a cheap i5 in it
JustinXenyx#8854: You'd have to replace basically everything "to throw a cheap i5 in it"
JustinXenyx#8854: Going off PCSX2s system requirements, you'd need at minimum an i3 with a GTX750 with 2GB of VRAM and 4GB of system RAM
JustinXenyx#8854: for 20 quid you could easily get a 7770 which would perform similarly enough to a 750, but your processor is lower than the minimum requirements PCSX2 has
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah the last time the drivers were updated for this was 2012 so... yeah that's outta date
tdp2612#3835: for big games, even my pc cant handle them fully |
tdp2612#3835: i mean not that my pc is powerful, but the 970 cant handle gt4 night races at full speed
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah im looking to run GT4, few old gta games, ect on pcsx2
Alcyone#2233: g45 is 775. there is no i5. you could check bios support and get a fast c2d or c2q.
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah i just saw that now
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Rip
wiryfuture🦀#1706: what is molex designed for?
Alcyone#2233: if it supports it, a core 2 quad would be the fasteset setup
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah supports core 2 duo
SuSSudio#2688: Good luck playing PCSX2 on a dual core 775 pentium :Peter:
SuSSudio#2688: Even my C2Q Q9450 does hit the curb sometimes
Alcyone#2233: I used a celeron g4920 for troubleshooting. 2c2t can hardly do anything in 2020
Surfacner#0906: hey guys need help with something! its urgent
Does anyone know how to install Phoenix Kernel on the LG e410i (L1 II)
I've tried to install it and just revokes the installation
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Yes phone is rooted, i installed a new bootloader (Clowork Mod) and downloaded the kernel from github
MitsuM17CHi#7098: It supports the quad one as well@Alcyone
MitsuM17CHi#7098: £21 for one
tdp2612#3835: lmao what
tdp2612#3835: what kind of c2q is £21
tdp2612#3835: unless its an extreme
MitsuM17CHi#7098: @tdp2612 its the q9550
tdp2612#3835: ah
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its on wish so yeah i doubt it highly
tdp2612#3835: fair enough then
tdp2612#3835: i think @Jam can confirm that thats just about the highest end c2q?
tdp2612#3835: or at least right near the top of the range
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Highest is q9650
tdp2612#3835: although you could get a 771 xeon for less money that will perform as well
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its near top for my motherboard (Pegatron 2a84h) |
Alcyone#2233: you need to get a pre modded one or take a razor to the socket for 771
tdp2612#3835: ye
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Wait no
MitsuM17CHi#7098: It was the q9505
SuSSudio#2688: Q9xxx C2Q are kinda on pricey side, esp the Q9x50 ones
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Q9300? Thats the base one though
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Found one for £7
SuSSudio#2688: The lower cost variants can be bought at cheaper prices, like the q9300 you just said
tdp2612#3835: and perform only a bit worse in reality
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Actually its mid range ignore me
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Lowest is q6600
tdp2612#3835: if you can get a real cheap 6600, do so
JustinXenyx#8854: i'd say a Q9300 would probably be the best choice price wise and with a HD7770 or similar you'd be in the 30 quid range
SuSSudio#2688: Agree with justin
JustinXenyx#8854: Anything more then that and i'd recommend going with a new system, as harsh as it sounds |
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Same price as the q9300
SuSSudio#2688: Get the q9300
Muse#0557: It's a couple of £ and with Cpus that weak you need every bit of performance you can get
SuSSudio#2688: I would've been stuck with a Q9400 had'nt someone gave it away to me last year
SuSSudio#2688: Worth the extra cache & transistors
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Then i need the tool to get the fan off
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Think its some sort of t10/20 bit?
Muse#0557: You mean the heat sink?
MitsuM17CHi#7098: The cpu fan
Muse#0557: Yeh the cpu heatsink
Muse#0557: Send a picture of it
Muse#0557: And the screws
MitsuM17CHi#7098: My computers on...
Muse#0557: Do you have a phone?
Muse#0557: Or tablet |
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Ye am on it bow
Muse#0557: Then turn the pc off?
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Jesus i can't spell today
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Hold on then
MitsuM17CHi#7098: I might have one from when i replaced the hdd actually
MitsuM17CHi#7098: No i dont
Muse#0557: Alrighty ping me when you've taken a picture
MitsuM17CHi#7098: @Muse (first pic is a bit crap) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711625361074552862/20200517_180118.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711625361695309915/20200517_180054.jpg
Muse#0557: I cannot make out that screw
Muse#0557: Is it like a star with 6 points by chance
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Looks like a t10
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Like on a xb1 controller
MitsuM17CHi#7098: But could also be a hexagon shape
Muse#0557: How do you not known if its a star or a hexagon fella
JustinXenyx#8854: XB1 controller uses T8 security bits |
Muse#0557: I doubt its a torx
tdp2612#3835: i mean it looks like it
tdp2612#3835: but yeah its rare for pcs to use anything weird
Muse#0557: It's probably a torx without the centre pillar then
JustinXenyx#8854: It might be the weird torx design with a flat head slit aswell
tdp2612#3835: just ask your dad or something, he'll most likely have a torx set
tdp2612#3835: ohhhh
tdp2612#3835: yeah i think youre right
JustinXenyx#8854: Like i have seen that on HPs sooo often
tdp2612#3835: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711626184890515546/unknown.png
tdp2612#3835: theres a line through it
JustinXenyx#8854: @Muse torx with a center pillar? that is torx security
Muse#0557: Yeh
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its like
/-\ |
-| |-
\-/
Muse#0557: Can't you get a better picture fella
tdp2612#3835: yeah discord doesnt use underscores properly
Alcyone#2233: not on android you cant
MitsuM17CHi#7098: That didnt work
Muse#0557: You're resulting to ascii
JustinXenyx#8854: I'll bet it is the Torx design that has a flathead slit aswell
JustinXenyx#8854: Super common on HP machines
Alcyone#2233: that looks like torx security
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Trying to do a diagram
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Think its that @JustinXenyx
Muse#0557: Just make sure there's plenty of light and get the screw in focus
JustinXenyx#8854: I can basically guarantee it is that
Muse#0557: And then we don't have to guess |
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Cause it has 2 little score marks at each side
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711626911415009410/41ZuCmrbLyL._SX425_.jpg
Muse#0557: Does it look like that
Muse#0557: Anything like it
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah its a torq with a flathead
JustinXenyx#8854: Like that but with a big slit through the whole thing for flatheads @Muse
Muse#0557: Go grab a flat head then pal
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Its like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711627549876420666/Capture_2020-05-17-18-13-24.png
tdp2612#3835: yeah
tdp2612#3835: ill get a pick of my oem hp cooler
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah its all oem in here i think aside from the fujitsu ssd i put in
tdp2612#3835: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711627919721496596/IMG_20200517_181458.jpg
tdp2612#3835: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711627938415771719/IMG_20200517_181449.jpg
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Exactly that |
tdp2612#3835: wow them photos suck sorry
Muse#0557: Compared to his
Muse#0557: They look professional
tdp2612#3835: but yeah thats off my hp 775 system
MitsuM17CHi#7098: This is a 775 system as well
MitsuM17CHi#7098: But your fan was clealy monted horizontal
tdp2612#3835: i always just used a flathead to take it off/on
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Mines vertical
tdp2612#3835: yeah its quite a nice cooler this although the fan is dead
MitsuM17CHi#7098: So might be harder cause the hole is kinda smol
tdp2612#3835: and yours is just a classic coolermaster block a lot of oems used
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Looks like it hasnt been touched in 11 years either jesus its DUSTAY
JustinXenyx#8854: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711628534421913661/20200517_191719.jpg
JustinXenyx#8854: thats a screw i have from an HP machine, really common design for them
SuSSudio#2688: Imo you can use a flathead with that |
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah 90% of the time i use a flathead
MitsuM17CHi#7098: When i took it apart this is what the fan looked like, #pcnightmare https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711628933329715271/JPEG_20200307_153108.jpg
MitsuM17CHi#7098: That people, is 11 years of dust.
Muse#0557: That's not that bad honestly
MitsuM17CHi#7098: It looks horrible
Jam#0384: I've seen worse
MitsuM17CHi#7098: The dust is brown
SuSSudio#2688: Not as bad as i thought
Jam#0384: That is incredibly average
SuSSudio#2688: I've seen much worse
Jam#0384: It gets way worse
MitsuM17CHi#7098: I dare to see what the heatsink looks like..
Jam#0384: I've seen 20 years of dust in a old shit airflow case
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Ew
Muse#0557: I've seen a dell Workstation that was used in a warehouse 24/7 for 11 years |
tdp2612#3835: thats better than the ones i took out my dragon
tdp2612#3835: i put them in the shower
Muse#0557: Same
tdp2612#3835: and they were still disgusting
Jam#0384: ive hosed some of my fans
Muse#0557: Take a brush to the mobo
Jam#0384: and dust still stuck
tdp2612#3835: like it ggot the big lumps off but its still dirty
Muse#0557: The worst is the bottom layer of dust on a case
MitsuM17CHi#7098: I dare to think what my dads old xp computer looks like its been sat for about 8 years
Muse#0557: You need to grind it off
Jam#0384: if the fans arent spinning
Jam#0384: its actually better off
tdp2612#3835: ye
Jam#0384: you get surface dust instead of the brown gross shit |
tdp2612#3835: like itll collect dust, but only on some bts
Jam#0384: rust might be an issue though
Jam#0384: depending on where its stored
MitsuM17CHi#7098: O no its in the front room been stood
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Since he got his toshiba laptop
Jam#0384: its probably not that bad
Jam#0384: it really only gets bad with use for a long ass time
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Yeah he dont use it anymore think something went wrong and he got the toshiba laptop (found it in a skip lol)
Muse#0557: As much as I'd like to talk dust
Muse#0557: I got coffee to make
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Then the hdd died on it and he got it replaced, but he did something and deleted windows so he bought a HP Pavillion
Muse#0557: :/
MitsuM17CHi#7098: So then, on the list of things to do before end of august:
Throw a core 2 quad q9300 and a hd7770 at the computer
MitsuM17CHi#7098: Thanks guys |
Muse#0557: Yes
kallum-the-squirrle#2533: A tech support man on reddit told me to open my mirror box and scratch it and put it back toagther.
Jam#0384: @kallum-the-squirrle But that doesn't mean anything
Jam#0384: What is the problem you're having before you asked for help on reddit
kallum-the-squirrle#2533: i did it and it and my pc wont work any more
Jam#0384: What did you do, because I don't understand what a mirror box is
SuSSudio#2688: ^^
Jam#0384: send me a photo
Jam#0384: of what a mirror box is
SuSSudio#2688: All i could think is display mirror dongle smth around that line
kallum-the-squirrle#2533: ok
Bwenfwake#6869: All I can think of is gpu die
tdp2612#3835: send a screenshot of what you posted
kallum-the-squirrle#2533: i got removed after begging for him to fix it for me
Jam#0384: but what is he fixing |
Jam#0384: We have NO IDEA what you are talking about
Jam#0384: At all
tdp2612#3835: im agreeing with hamish now
Budget#8265: ^
SuSSudio#2688: ^
tdp2612#3835: sowwy papa bujit
Jam#0384: I wanna see what he says anyways
Budget#8265: @kallum-the-squirrle Next message is either a photo of what you "scratched" or you're outta here mate
Budget#8265: Cheers
Budget#8265: 👍
SuSSudio#2688: Take a photo of your scratched 'mirror box'
SuSSudio#2688: I suppose you still have it with you kallum
Jam#0384: I really hope this is a language barrier or something because I have no fucking idea what a mirror box is
tdp2612#3835: are there commercial cases out there made of mirrored glass?
tdp2612#3835: like the inside is lined with mirrors |
kallum-the-squirrle#2533: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711636140947538001/unknown.png
SuSSudio#2688: Ah
Budget#8265: Troll
SuSSudio#2688: HDD disc
tdp2612#3835: nice google images result
Budget#8265: Called it from the start
Budget#8265: Noone spams chat with Crying Emotes and Nonsense
Jam#0384: that image comes from online anyways
Budget#8265: I know
Budget#8265: I have seen it before
tdp2612#3835: https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/ZK4R3i2Bq7lddxHQmAbV0I_PpA0=/2592x1944/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/hard-drive-platter-busted-jon-ross-flickr-56a6f9d45f9b58b7d0e5cc31.jpg
tdp2612#3835: about the 3rd row on google
BigPierogi#3368: sort of looks like something hamish has in his drawer of random shit
tdp2612#3835: cropped and rotated so it doesnt work with google image search
Jam#0384: Or you know the exact image on a russian site |
Jam#0384: lmao
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711636730968801320/unknown.png
tdp2612#3835: how do you even find that
BigPierogi#3368: i see 2 words i recognize
tdp2612#3835: you dont speak russian
BigPierogi#3368: debian and raid
Bisexual Billy#9476: Ha!
Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711636840897183794/unknown.png
Jam#0384: I know literally everything, TDP
Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711636857200312330/unknown.png
Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711636873919070248/unknown.png
Budget#8265: Called it when i was seeing this nonsense
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711637119445237760/unknown.png
Jam#0384: @tdp2612
BigPierogi#3368: korea |
Jam#0384: different site
BigPierogi#3368: is it from north korea
Jam#0384: non
Bisexual Billy#9476: Should've smashed an old IDE hard drive in his Garden or something, would've been a more convincing troll imo.
BigPierogi#3368: i bet it was dollar
Jam#0384: i hope dollar deal burn in pc hell
tdp2612#3835: nah i miss him
Jam#0384: tdp
Jam#0384: we are no longer friends
tdp2612#3835: 😩
Cableguy#6929: anyone know any working cheap keyboard under £10 that is usb 2.0? PS/2 keyboards are like £20 on amazon...
Cableguy#6929: only got newer usb 3.0 keyboard so can't issue any bios commands to boot 😦
Budget#8265: USB is backcompatible
Budget#8265: A Keyboard shouldn't necessarily be USB3.0
Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711654518764470405/unknown.png |
Budget#8265: Bid on this
Budget#8265: if ye really need a spare
Cableguy#6929: was looking to get one on prime if possible, i need to order a kettle also 🙃
Cableguy#6929: yeah USB is backwards compatible but the bios doesn't let me use a newer usb 3.0 keyboard, which is annoying as you can imagine
tdp2612#3835: why does a usb 3 keyboard even exist
tdp2612#3835: do you need the extra bandwidth to mash more buttons at once
Cableguy#6929: polling rate i guess 🤷♂️
Budget#8265: Wouldnt be that
Budget#8265: is it a USB Hub?
Miki2305#5707: My screens sometimes loose signal for 20 seconds and come back, is my gpu dying or?
Miki2305#5707: Every time I open a program it does it
Lady Mipha#0611: :Thonking:
Miki2305#5707: I haven't seen that issue at all
Miki2305#5707: Today it just starded happening
Miki2305#5707: I am confused af |
Lady Mipha#0611: loose cable?
Miki2305#5707: Nah
Miki2305#5707: Checked every cable
Miki2305#5707: Maybe a driver issue?
Lady Mipha#0611: check device manager
Miki2305#5707: Recognizes it
Miki2305#5707: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711672718256242778/unknown.png
Lady Mipha#0611: :thonkpad:
Miki2305#5707: I am confused as you are
Lady Mipha#0611: any other graphics cards in there
Miki2305#5707: Nope
tdp2612#3835: is there anything else plugged into your tv/monitor
tdp2612#3835: and can you try a different cable
tdp2612#3835: like try the vga output rather than hdmi or something like
Muse#0557: Anybody know any lga 1155 oem boards that work with standard cases and atx power supplies |
tdp2612#3835: i think the dell stuff is relatively normal
tdp2612#3835: they even have a lot of them with 4 ram slots
Alcyone#2233: is some low end h61 from a proper parts mfg more expensive?
Gamefreak924#5901: anyone familiar with ClassicShell?
Lumaterian#3557: I used it back on windows 8.1
Gamefreak924#5901: I'm trying to figure out how to have a classic-style menu but with live tiles. I can't find anything about how to do that if it's even possible.
Gamefreak924#5901: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/711696268493062214/Screenshot_252.png
Lumaterian#3557: oh no idea
Gamefreak924#5901: like this skin. Except the live tiles shown here are literally just a jpg thrown on
Lumaterian#3557: I've never encountered anyone who actually likes the live tiles
Lumaterian#3557: could just use normal windows 10 start menu
Gamefreak924#5901: I mainly just want them for the quick access. Mainly just email and weather
Lumaterian#3557: ah
Gamefreak924#5901: Looked into it more and I guess live tiles can't be incorporated into third party apps
Gamefreak924#5901: So ouch |
Lady Mipha#0611: oof
Lady Mipha#0611: @Gamefreak924 https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
Muse#0557: @Alcyone even an extra £12 per build adds up over time
Muse#0557: I could do with a board or optiplex model that works @tdp2612
tdp2612#3835: i just googled dell 1155 motherboard
Miki2305#5707: > like try the vga output rather than hdmi or something like
Both monitros are vga
Miki2305#5707: Tried running on integrated graphics and it ran fine
tdp2612#3835: what other outputs does it have
tdp2612#3835: try hdmi, dp, dvi
Miki2305#5707: Tried
Miki2305#5707: Dvi
Miki2305#5707: Still black screens
tdp2612#3835: ah
Miki2305#5707: I hope it doesen't die till I buy a new gpu till next week. |
Miki2305#5707: A r7 260x
Miki2305#5707: its as good as a gtx750ti in performance I belive
Alcyone#2233: @Muse oh they are just flips, no worries then
Muse#0557: Yeh
Alcyone#2233: but if you are gonna daily i always suggest not getting oem
Alcyone#2233: can have cucked bios power limits or and/or no updates for ivy
Muse#0557: id be using 2400s probably
Muse#0557: i have a spare ivy i5 and old celeron to test too
Jam#0384: cock and ball pc delivery service
Jam#0384: amused tower-
Jam#0384: pentium 4 1mhz
Jam#0384: RTX 2080 ti super
Jam#0384: (GT 1030)
Jam#0384: 512KB RAM
Jam#0384: compact flash storage with Windows 11 |
The United States Air Force#7904: Umm
The United States Air Force#7904: Ok
Xbox 360 1953#2640: how much do you guys think an 1155 board with some ram and a cooler would be?
Muse#0557: Oem board £15
Am board £22-30
8gb DDR3 £15
Some snowman knockoff £14
Clode#2428: What is like the easyest way to flash android 9 to samsung s4,ive seen multiple videos and everyone talks something diferent
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @Clode have you checked out xdadevelopers?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: (Simplified)
1. Unlock devices: press "allow oem unlocking" button and then unlock phone bootloader from adb/fastboot
2. Reboot into bootloader and flash with adb
3 (optional). Lock bootloader so that on-device security has a chance of working
Yannikau#9606: One of my friends has an S4 mini with either Android 8 or 9
He used to be on this server but it seems like he left |
Clode#2428: Wait what
Clode#2428: Im kinda dumb how do i allow oem unlocking?
Deleted User#0000: you don't
Deleted User#0000: you flash a custom recovery
Deleted User#0000: been flashing an s4 mini and s4 at&t (torture)
thatubuntuguy#5914: how would one unlock a device
thatubuntuguy#5914: would just installing a rom unlock it in theory
Miki2305#5707: How can I block 2 same messages on a discord channel? Is there a bot to do that or?
jojosensei#4198: Would a 1050ti work on a 240w 7010 sff ?
CaptainFlanger#2563: Low profile?
Jam#0384: It might but if so it would be cutting it close
Jam#0384: but DELL usually has good unit
Deleted User#0000: is the 1800X worth it?
JustinXenyx#8854: Not really
JustinXenyx#8854: A 1700 performs pretty much identical and is much cheaper usually |
JustinXenyx#8854: Its still a good processor, just not great on the value side of things
Deleted User#0000: in comparison from picking a 3600
Deleted User#0000: or something
JustinXenyx#8854: compared to a 3600 fuck no
JustinXenyx#8854: 3600 kicks the shit out of an 1800x
JustinXenyx#8854: The better IPC on the 3600 gives it such a big advantage it's unreal
Deleted User#0000: hmm, got it
Deleted User#0000: its bcuz i found it for a bit cheaper price
but yeah
high tdp and shit
Lumaterian#3557: 3600 crushes 1800x in single core and matches it in multicore
Jam#0384: 3600 crushes a 2700X in most games
Jam#0384: The 2700X is only better in heavily multithreaded applications
Jam#0384: First gen Ryzen I would avoid if you can afford Zen+/2
JustinXenyx#8854: The generational advantage of the 3600 is just so big, the extra cores on an 1800x basically have no chance of catching up in most applications |
Jam#0384: I would go with a 3300X over a 1800X for gaming only
Jam#0384: If I was editing then i would want at least 6cores preferably and the 3600 is just so damn good
Deleted User#0000: lol
3600 godlike
tdp2612#3835: but 2700x>2600 yes
tdp2612#3835: pls say yes
Deleted User#0000: wdym
Deleted User#0000: well ofc why not?
Jam#0384: @tdp2612 yes
tdp2612#3835: thanks dad
Orphanzombie#3114: I upgraded to windows 10 and got driver pnp watchdog and now infinite loading screen
Orphanzombie#3114: Why did i fucking upgrade XD
Orphanzombie#3114: If anyone has any ideas that would be super
tdp2612#3835: i wouldve recommended a clean install not an upgrade
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^ |
Orphanzombie#3114: I have shit tons of stuff i kinda dont wanna lose
Orphanzombie#3114: Now its trying to undo changes
Orphanzombie#3114: Could it have been an update it was trying to apply that fucked it?
Orphanzombie#3114: Windows 7 looks like its booting omg i may have dodged a bullet
JustinXenyx#8854: upgrading is basically guaranteed to break something
JustinXenyx#8854: you would 100% be better off by backing up everything you need and manually installing Windows 10
Jam#0384: Yeah some programs won't work but your personal files should be fine
Jam#0384: still a safe practice to have backups
Jam#0384: preferably on physical media and not cloud
Jam#0384: So any images, private info, bank/etc whatever, porn, and things you cant just redownload or may not find
Jam#0384: Those are the thing you want to backup
Orphanzombie#3114: im gunna try the upgrade again after taking some measures plus actually activiating using a proper key not a crack from years ago
Orphanzombie#3114: also i have loads of random keys for windows of various versions i dont really want are windows keys infinite use or near enough or are they single use but locked to hardware
IG-86#3740: Well I need some advice My RX 5700 XT bit the dust recently And I got 2 GPUs an RX 560 (4GB) and a GTX 760 (2GB) Which one would be the better one to put in my rig? I looked online a bit and it seems like the 2 perform similarly
Dogecode#7321: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-760-vs-AMD-RX-560/2159vs3926 |
JustinXenyx#8854: fuck no, please don't userbenchmark
JustinXenyx#8854: @IG-86 RX560 has more VRAM and better optimized drivers
JustinXenyx#8854: so logically that is the card i would pick
Dogecode#7321: Yes, I was thinking the same thing
IG-86#3740: I was thinking that but just wanted to make sure it was the right choice
Dogecode#7321: Even though the 760 comes up as better on there the 2gb vram will be a constraint plus it doesn’t get updated drivers anymore
JustinXenyx#8854: it technically gets updated, but Kepler does not get the optimization that it needs
JustinXenyx#8854: Which makes it dogshit in a lot of newer titles
IG-86#3740: Okay thats what I really didnt know
Lumaterian#3557: it's userbenchmark
Lumaterian#3557: they hate amd
IG-86#3740: idc about user benchmark I just wanted to make sure the RX 560 was the right choice
IG-86#3740: Really annoying my RX 5700 XT broke 6 months after getting it
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh yikes, have you contacted the manufacturer for warranty?
JustinXenyx#8854: Cause that shit should not happen and you should still be well within warranty |
IG-86#3740: Yeah I already sent the card off to be RMA'd hopefully I get a new or refurb card
IG-86#3740: Cause it sucks spending 400$ on a GPU for it to fail so early
IG-86#3740: But Ive heard good things about Sapphires RMA department so hopefully everything works out
IG-86#3740: I was really tempted for a bit to buy an RTX 2060
Alcyone#2233: RMA should go ezpz for original owner
IG-86#3740: Ive never had anything RMA'd before so I dont really know what to expect
Alcyone#2233: Ive used asus and evga, both were easy and I got a working product back
IG-86#3740: Well thats good to hear
IG-86#3740: Im hoping Sapphire is just as good as them
Lumaterian#3557: never rma'd with sapphire but I hear they're good
IG-86#3740: Thats good to hear
gemsticks#2781: alright so
gemsticks#2781: with my current pc, i want reinstall win10
gemsticks#2781: meaning like
gemsticks#2781: this |
gemsticks#2781: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/712154789982765137/unknown.png
gemsticks#2781: thing is, will this remove my drivers?
gemsticks#2781: since i use a dongle, im basically screwed if i have to reinstall all the drivers
JustinXenyx#8854: it'll be like clean reinstalling windows 10 but taking a fuck ton longer
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah it'll jinx drivers n stuff
JustinXenyx#8854: dunno about the keeping personal files thing, never had success with that properly, always some stuff missing
gemsticks#2781: i mean since most of my stuff is in the D: drive
JustinXenyx#8854: My advice would be to back up everything you need and then reinstall clean
gemsticks#2781: and windows is in the C: drive
gemsticks#2781: maybe it wouldnt harm?
JustinXenyx#8854: Your D: drive shouldn't be touched (okay that sounds kinda off)
JustinXenyx#8854: But since all your shit is on the D: drive anyway why dont you just clean install instead of using that reset bullshit?
JustinXenyx#8854: clean installing takes sooo much less time
gemsticks#2781: i think i shouldve called it the hdd
gemsticks#2781: but yeah probably |
gemsticks#2781: also
gemsticks#2781: what do you mean by "clean install"
gemsticks#2781: from a usb or..?
JustinXenyx#8854: clean install means that you're installing windows 10 from scratch again, meaning via USB etc
Orphanzombie#3114: @JustinXenyx why is gpu user benchmark bad?
Jam#0384: Inaccurate
Jam#0384: Biased too, I think
Jam#0384: At least on CPU
JustinXenyx#8854: unreliable results that can easily be manipulated and constant inaccuracies with their scores because they smash everything together
Jam#0384: They also put OC'd scores with the regular ones
Jam#0384: Which is dumb.
JustinXenyx#8854: ^which is what i meant with the smashing together
JustinXenyx#8854: OCed results massively affect the cards score when they shouldn't
uoʇsodɾ#2412: It's not realistic and favors DX10, DX11, and Nvidia GPU's.
JustinXenyx#8854: oh for fucks sake, their cpu bench is intel biased and their GPU bench is nvidia biased? |
JustinXenyx#8854: they're 100% untrustworthy for that alone
uoʇsodɾ#2412: A DX12 and Vulcan benchmark would favor AMD parts. It is to my understanding Vulcan, Mantel, and DX12 are closely related.
Lumaterian#3557: as far as I know userbenchmark's ram and storage benchmarks work properly
Lumaterian#3557: that's about it
Lady Mipha#0611: nah it’s Vulcan, Mantel and OpenGL that are closely related @uoʇsodɾ
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I find it nice to compare like parts there but not across brands. Ex GTX 1080 vs GTX 1070, RX 580 vs RX 480, ect. There are way better websites and benchmarks that show unbiased performance. Haha. The only reason why they have yet to fuck with there RAM results is that the AMD memory controller lags behind the Intel memory controller in synthetic benchmarks.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I thought AMD helped Microsoft with DX12 and that they used some of the Mantel code for DX12.
gemsticks#2781: also, if i did do a clean install, would my mouse and keyboard work still?
Lady Mipha#0611: yes
gemsticks#2781: windows 10 does have native 3.0 support right?
Lady Mipha#0611: yes
JustinXenyx#8854: fellas
JustinXenyx#8854: what the FUCK is mantle (nvm i googled it lol)
JustinXenyx#8854: i thought you folks were mixing up mantle and metal (apple)
Lumaterian#3557: you can combine them and make mental |
Lady Mipha#0611: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(API)
Lady Mipha#0611: :haha:
uoʇsodɾ#2412: AKA a better openGL.
gemsticks#2781: does windows 8.1 pro also have native usb 3.0 support?
gemsticks#2781: just asking
Lady Mipha#0611: which turned into Vulkan
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah it has native USB3 support @gemsticks
gemsticks#2781: thanks again justin
JustinXenyx#8854: It's just Windows 7 that needs driver implementation for USB3
gemsticks#2781: i cant recall how many times youve helped me
gemsticks#2781: 👍
Lumaterian#3557: I hear justin's a legend
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Just did some reading and AMD said that there is no relationship in-between DX12 and Mantel. I do wonder though what DX12 would of looked liked without the release of Mantel.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I have found that the AMD implantation of DX12 is better than the NVidia implantation of DX12 on 2014 laptop workstation GPU's. (FirePro vs Quadro) The NVidia card did better with openGL than the FirePro did. I miss that FirePro.
gemsticks#2781: also, is there ryzen 3 1200 drivers for windows 8.1 pro? |
CaptainFlanger#2563: Technically most new processors only work on Windows 10 and have no such support for older versions of Windows.
JustinXenyx#8854: They technically have Windows 7 support but never officially had 8/8.1 support
CaptainFlanger#2563: They do?
JustinXenyx#8854: Yup
CaptainFlanger#2563: Hm, beats Intel, I think.
JustinXenyx#8854: But 8/8.1 is essentially an upgraded Windows 7 so Windows 7 drivers should work without much hassle on 8.1
CaptainFlanger#2563: Yeah.
gemsticks#2781: what about gtx 1050 ti for windows 8.1?
JustinXenyx#8854: I think Nvidia still provides drivers for 7-10
CaptainFlanger#2563: ^
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah you can get Titan RTX drivers for Windows 7
gemsticks#2781: thank you nvidia
JustinXenyx#8854: So a 1050Ti should have drivers available on 8.1
gemsticks#2781: probably my last quesiton
gemsticks#2781: but |
gemsticks#2781: since i use a dongle for wi-fi, would that work on a fresh win 10 and 8.1 install?
JustinXenyx#8854: I think it would be weird if that wifi dongle wouldn't work
JustinXenyx#8854: Like there is nothing that should make it not work realistically
gemsticks#2781: unless if i were to use win 7 lol
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah but Windows 7 is 11 years old
JustinXenyx#8854: So it is expected to not support everything out of the box
gemsticks#2781: yeah
gemsticks#2781: Also does win 8 support got?
gemsticks#2781: gpt*
vegetal#8870: why would you use win 8
SuSSudio#2688: because why not
vegetal#8870: its bad
gemsticks#2781: because I like 8.1?
gemsticks#2781: we all have opinions my dude
vegetal#8870: well urs is wronf |
Jam#0384: 8.1 is fine
Jam#0384: 8 is terrible though
gemsticks#2781: Christ man, no need to be so rude
gemsticks#2781: if you don’t like 8.1 that’s fine, but you shouldn’t tell others that what they like is wrong
vegetal#8870: ur OPINOON IS WORNG
CaptainFlanger#2563: Can you try not to cancel people, at least?
CaptainFlanger#2563: Law.
Yannikau#9606: ^^
Razorsz#5056: ive never used win8 or 8.1 tbh, wouldnt mind slapping win8 on some spare pc
Yannikau#9606: I really liked it actually, it looked and feeled different but I think it's not as bad as a lot of the memes want it to be lmfao
CaptainFlanger#2563: I've been using Windows 8.1 since release. That thing, aside from Metro Start menu (which I have neutral feeling about it) performs like Windows 7 in certain cases.
Little Billy#3065: is it worth it to upgrade my laptop gpu current one is quadro m1000m
Little Billy#3065: its the 2gb version
JustinXenyx#8854: @CaptainFlanger Win 8/8.1 are in a quite literal sense an upgraded Windows 7
JustinXenyx#8854: So that is really not surprising |
JustinXenyx#8854: @Little Billy Not really. MXM laptop cards are fucking expensive
Little Billy#3065: no need to worry about money if you can run fast
Little Billy#3065: but you are right
Little Billy#3065: the cards are way too expensive
Miki2305#5707: Is this a good deal for a slightly used r7 260x? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/712264520399323156/unknown.png
Miki2305#5707: Just tag me when you are awnsering so I can see...
MythologicalZ#3752: Generally no but given the other prices you've posted it's not horrendous in comparison
Miki2305#5707: Its near me like other ads
Miki2305#5707: and its near the shop where imma buy my new psu since my gpu and psu are dying slowly
Miki2305#5707: I'll go fir it then
Miki2305#5707: Finnaly I'll have an ok-ish pc
gemsticks#2781: anyways
gemsticks#2781: since i didnt get an answer
gemsticks#2781: does windows 8.1 work on gpt?
gemsticks#2781: i already created a bootable usb using rufus for 8.1, and i selected the "gpt" option |
gemsticks#2781: would it install on my ssd or no?
Jam#0384: I can barely use windows I don't even know what software is
gemsticks#2781: oh
Jam#0384: I'm exaggerating but yeah I'm more of a hardware guy
gemsticks#2781: ah gotcha
gemsticks#2781: anywaysbefore going from win10 to 8.1
gemsticks#2781: my motherboard is a prime a320m-a
gemsticks#2781: and once i get to win 8.1, my main concern is the audio drivers
gemsticks#2781: as i have no clue what elsae i need to install other than the cpu/gpu drivers
layton#0621: okay can someone help me
layton#0621: my pc will not post at all, the fans will spin for a split second and it’ll turn straight off. I’ve removed the RAM and GPU now and I’m not even getting the long beep for no memory.
layton#0621: I also now have no drives installed
Deleted User#0000: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS good?
Deleted User#0000: possible R4000 support?
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah solid value board |
MythologicalZ#3752: should have
Deleted User#0000: oh good
gemsticks#2781: any help regarding these issues? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/712386357816983684/image0.png
tdp2612#3835: the best help is to get you to realise Windows 10 is a better choice
tdp2612#3835: your mouse and shit will work basically no matter what OS you are on
gemsticks#2781: yeah but I’ve been told there are drivers for ryzen 3 1200 on windows 7, which work with 8.1, I just can’t find them
tdp2612#3835: why do you want 8.1
gemsticks#2781: I like 8.1 more
tdp2612#3835: and windows 7 has issues with 14mn, so I'd expec 8.1 to as well
tdp2612#3835: just get 10, with actual driver support and updates into the future
gemsticks#2781: again, i was told there are drivers for ryzen 3 1200 working with windows 8.1, so i just want the link to them
gemsticks#2781: nvm i found my answer
gemsticks#2781: anyways, since windows 8 is mbr only
gemsticks#2781: i made a bootable usb using rufus (gpt)
gemsticks#2781: so during setup, if i were to use diskpart to format and convert the disk to mbr, would setup still work? |
Deleted User#0000: aight
Deleted User#0000: got a 3600, now mobo and ram, gg
gemsticks#2781: Just installed 8.1, my dongle doesn’t seem to work yet everything else does
gemsticks#2781: I’ll use a usb drive to install the drivers and see if that doesn’t anything
Miki2305#5707: Nah
gemsticks#2781: alright I managed to get 8.1 set up
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I found a project that's really cool that lets you control your phone from your computer and it has very very very very little latency https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
CaptainFlanger#2563: @gemsticks Make sure Windows Update didn't complain about something. Because in my opinion, 14 nm architecture and older Windows don't mix well.
gemsticks#2781: they didn’t at all so far
gemsticks#2781: I got everything set up I think
CaptainFlanger#2563: Hmm, looks like the Ryzen CPUs did have a support-ish on older versions of Windows.
Lumaterian#3557: pre-zen2 stuff has drivers for 7 iirc
Lumaterian#3557: not much point using them but they exist
CaptainFlanger#2563: He uses 8.1 btw.
Lumaterian#3557: yeah also not much point |
Lumaterian#3557: windows isn't great on security to begin with, but not having security updates is a yikes
CaptainFlanger#2563: Eek.
gemsticks#2781: even though it may not be needed, but can someone link me drivers for ryzen 3 1200 (i use windows 8.1)?
Jam#0384: The CPU does not use driver
Jam#0384: You can get chipset drivers on the AMD website
tdp2612#3835: ^
gemsticks#2781: ah
Lumaterian#3557: for the love of god don't get chipset drivers for am4 from the board maker if you can avoid it
Jam#0384: I said from the AMD website
gemsticks#2781: gives me an error when i try to launch ruzen master
gemsticks#2781: oh well
Jam#0384: ryzen master is stupid
Jam#0384: Don't use it anyways
Lumaterian#3557: ^
gemsticks#2781: then what do i install? |
Lumaterian#3557: software cpu oc is a waste of time
gemsticks#2781: sorry for being stupid lol
Jam#0384: Use the BIOS to overclock
Lumaterian#3557: what were you going to use ryzen master to do?
Jam#0384: ^
Jam#0384: Do you even know what it is
gemsticks#2781: i just went to the amd website
gemsticks#2781: and downloaded it since it was under "driver" for my cpu
Jam#0384: Yeah you don't need that
Jam#0384: It's not a driver
Jam#0384: It's a utility
BigPierogi#3368: ryzen master is for overclocking
BigPierogi#3368: i think
gemsticks#2781: right right
gemsticks#2781: where do i get the chipsets then |
Jam#0384: All you need from AMD is the chipset driver
Jam#0384: Are you on B450?
Jam#0384: or B350?
gemsticks#2781: wdym
gemsticks#2781: my motherboard is prime a320m-a
gemsticks#2781: if that helps
Jam#0384: ok
Jam#0384: I'm going to try and find them for you
Lumaterian#3557: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/a320
Lumaterian#3557: no 8.1
Lumaterian#3557: 7 and 10
Jam#0384: Which means one of them will probably work
Jam#0384: To be honest
gemsticks#2781: gonna try w7 first
Jam#0384: ye |
gemsticks#2781: many thanks for the help
Jam#0384: I've gotten Vista drivers working on W10
Jam#0384: so it really probably will work.
gemsticks#2781: yep
gemsticks#2781: https://prnt.sc/sk01z3
gemsticks#2781: thank you both
Jam#0384: Np
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I think my 2600 runs hotter than it should
Xbox 360 1953#2640: with only discord and firefox open its at 65c
Lumaterian#3557: are you using the garbage cooler?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: whatever stock is, i think
Lumaterian#3557: yep that's why
Xbox 360 1953#2640: dunno if it is
Xbox 360 1953#2640: bruh
Lumaterian#3557: thing sucks ass |
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