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Deleted User#0000: that person also seems to have about 5 listings for the exact same ram with the exact same picture (he might own it but I don't think any person just has 20 of the same sticks just in their house) MarcosCodas#6375: Hey guys.... need some help/advice. Here in Paraguay, you can build a great Ryzen system with new parts and it won't sell, but if you build an old Intel system with former Optiplex parts, it flies off. I need to get a mobo/cpu/ram combo for around $40 or so, hopefully 4th gen i5 or newer, 8gb RAM, but something that will take standard PSUs. Any ideas? I haven't built one of these in ages MarcosCodas#6375: I'm going to buy them off US eBay, and import them MarcosCodas#6375: No used parts here at all tdp2612#3835: go Dell tdp2612#3835: the used oem dell stuff is really standard MarcosCodas#6375: Cheers tdp2612#3835: so normal mounting holes, normal 24 pin, normal 4 pin cpu MarcosCodas#6375: I'll look for potential good stuff on eBay and post listing heres MarcosCodas#6375: listings here* MarcosCodas#6375: So I don't fuck up MarcosCodas#6375: Damn, no deals that I can find whatsoever MarcosCodas#6375: Haha
JustinXenyx#8854: COVID really has been fucking with the hardware market JustinXenyx#8854: We can be lucky prices for new items really didn't go up Deleted User#0000: @MarcosCodas https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motherboard-Bundle-Gigabyte-Intel-i5-GA-Z97P-D3-Hyper-Blue-DDR3-ASUS-8800GT/124198582482?hash=item1ceacff8d2:g:U24AAOSwHiBeyn9F tdp2612#3835: thats gonne go for a lot more than 35 tdp2612#3835: also hes in america MythologicalZ#3752: weird bundle Deleted User#0000: Yeah I know but tdp2612#3835: like if that goes for under 80 that would be a deal tdp2612#3835: and ye weird combo for such a shit gpu MythologicalZ#3752: also, getting haswell for 40 is not gonna happen tdp2612#3835: and non k cpu MythologicalZ#3752: sandy sure MythologicalZ#3752: but not haswell tdp2612#3835: ill stick a bid on that anyway thnks tdp2612#3835: yeah thats 50 already then
Deleted User#0000: Yeah I know it's not going to go for 40 but still worth checking how the auction goes Deleted User#0000: What I do is I set myself a budget that I want to spend on something then find about 5 auctions and check them regularly. I managed to get a gtx 780 for 30 pounds that way (also a bit of luck though) MarcosCodas#6375: Yeah, it's always a bit of luck involved MarcosCodas#6375: Good deals aren't easy to come by MarcosCodas#6375: Otherwise we'd all be swimming in money, hehe MarcosCodas#6375: But I really appreciate all your help and advice MarcosCodas#6375: Doesn't have to be haswell, mind MarcosCodas#6375: But newer than sandy would be good MarcosCodas#6375: high end sandy or ivy...? 4 physical cores Lumaterian#3557: I do love my physical cores Lumaterian#3557: not like those theoretical cores on FX lol MarcosCodas#6375: Indeed MarcosCodas#6375: Or logical threads (though HT is good, but I need 4c/4t at least) Clode#2428: When i boot windows 7 the file explorer crashes is there any way to fix it? Lumaterian#3557: personally I can't use less than like
Lumaterian#3557: a 2600K Lumaterian#3557: got 4 screens with stuff going on Lumaterian#3557: 4T hasn't been able to handle it Lumaterian#3557: maybe something like Lumaterian#3557: 7600K could Lumaterian#3557: but I doubt it MarcosCodas#6375: I use an R5 1600 and RX580 myself. Single monitor, ultra wide MarcosCodas#6375: It's not for me, this thing MarcosCodas#6375: It's to flip for esports MarcosCodas#6375: And low-end graphic design, video editing, et Lumaterian#3557: this might surprise you, but I've got a 1600AF and Vega 56 Lumaterian#3557: I'd be using RX 570 but a 100$ custom-cooler v56 is not a deal I can pass up MarcosCodas#6375: Indeed! mi3night#2562: @Lumaterian Vega drivers are fine right ? MarcosCodas#6375: Ended up getting an i5 2400 + Dell mobo (pretty decent, Optiplex 7010) for $49 shipped, and it is guaranteed to work from a business reseller. Not a craaazy deal by US standards, but considering I have to get it shipped to Paraguay, the extra piece of mind that they are guaranteed to work was worth the difference
MarcosCodas#6375: Now, the GPU issue... Muse#0557: That's a very good price for shipped to a developing country during a pandemic MarcosCodas#6375: Gotta add $10 for the shipping to Paraguay from the US MarcosCodas#6375: But still MarcosCodas#6375: $60 is pretty good MarcosCodas#6375: Already sold the full system, too MarcosCodas#6375: So MarcosCodas#6375: Just gotta wait and assemble the parts MarcosCodas#6375: And buyer's ready MarcosCodas#6375: Good times Lumaterian#3557: ye drivers are great Ramiere#1840: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/714972158358716516/image0.jpg Ramiere#1840: Thanks for all the recommendations guys MarcosCodas#6375: Looks great @Ramiere ! Enjoy! the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ello
Kwikxilver#6241: Ok so Kwikxilver#6241: Howdy the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: try unplugging each fan alone Kwikxilver#6241: HP xw6200 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: and see if the noise goes away when unplugging a specific fan Kwikxilver#6241: It’s every fan. Every fan is going full speed all the time Kwikxilver#6241: Which makes me think it’s a motherboard issue Kwikxilver#6241: Video card as well as case fans, cpu fans the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i dont know why the video card would do that , but your cpu could be overheating hence the fans ramping up , u mentioned you cleaned it but did you repaste the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: the cpu Kwikxilver#6241: Yes I did repaste both cpus. Pea sized blob on each before I put the heat sink on the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: both ? its a dual socketed mobo the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ? Kwikxilver#6241: Yeah there’s 2 xeons in there the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: how big is the case
Kwikxilver#6241: Huge Kwikxilver#6241: Easily ATX or larger the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: couldve been just a cooling issue but u said it was big so guess not the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: id check the mobo bios then Kwikxilver#6241: Nah that’s what I thought at first. But after cleaning, checking everything the issue is the same the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: to see if there is fan rpm settings Kwikxilver#6241: That’s a good idea Kwikxilver#6241: Here’s the thing tho - hp has taken down all their mobo bios updates for my model Kwikxilver#6241: I’ve found it elsewhere but when I try to run it it just says “failed to load driver” the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: we wouldnt need an update the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: if the setting exists Kwikxilver#6241: I don’t think it does but I’ll double check Kwikxilver#6241: Does windows need to install motherboard drivers? Kwikxilver#6241: Or something? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: dont think either but u should check
Kwikxilver#6241: I tried to download the intel driver assistant but it won’t even download .NET Kwikxilver#6241: And windows updates just don’t work Kwikxilver#6241: I’m running Win 7 btw the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: you wouldnt need chipset drivers normally but i havent dealt with dual systems before and chipset drivers usually dont have any benifit except a few extra stability the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > I’m running Win 7 btw microsoft ended support on win 7 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: so no updates Kwikxilver#6241: I think my issue might be...I have NO drivers the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: the hp assisstant is pretty trash for older stuff the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: atleast from my trying Kwikxilver#6241: I tried to install Win 10 first but it didn’t get paste the Win 10 logo; so I tried Win 7 and managed to install it the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: could be drivers ye the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: with hp drivers , atleast my hp printer was , you can choose to download the driver rather than the fincky assisstant the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: by just choosing an older os version Kwikxilver#6241: I’ll keep that in mind but im nowhere near that right now
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: but i dont think fans are related to drivers Kwikxilver#6241: I’m just trying to get it to stop BSODing Kwikxilver#6241: It runs for a bit but under any sort of load the thing just blue screens Kwikxilver#6241: MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: did u try googling this error Deleted User#0000: K im here @Bwenfwake Kwikxilver#6241: Yeah, it just said update the bios Deleted User#0000: Who has wechat? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: try downloading chipset drivers Kwikxilver#6241: I’ll give that a go tomorrow Bwenfwake#6869: Pretty sure nobody uses wechat btw @Deleted User the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: my friend does the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: :crome: Kwikxilver#6241: No idea why this thing is heating up so much unless the cpu fans are just screwed Deleted User#0000: Damn🥺
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > No idea why this thing is heating up so much unless the cpu fans are just screwed is it heating or is it just loud the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: cause if its hot , fans obviously go up the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: and it obviously will crash if it heats up too much Jam#0384: What even is wechat Jam#0384: :crome: the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: jamuel is here the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: he help Kwikxilver#6241: @the aggresive toilet flusher when I’ve pulled out USBs from the front panel they seem to be hot Kwikxilver#6241: But I’m not doing anything strenuous at all Kwikxilver#6241: So I have no idea why the cpu is maxing out Kwikxilver#6241: I’ll try installing chipset drivers tomorrow and see where that gets me the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > @the aggresive toilet flusher when I’ve pulled out USBs from the front panel they seem to be hot usbs getting hot isnt any indication about how hot the cpus are , they get hot when being used like copying files etc the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > So I have no idea why the cpu is maxing out
as in usage ? Kwikxilver#6241: That’s happening too Jam#0384: Cpu handles the file transfer, not the USB Jam#0384: The cpu is doing all the work Jam#0384: What are you moving, and what cpu do you have the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i meant the usb itself gets hot @Jam the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: when copying and stuff Jam#0384: I know but he said cpu is maxing out Jam#0384: What cpu the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: yea thats a thing ive been trying to get from him the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: its a dual xeon system Kwikxilver#6241: Sorry. It’s really hard to explain what’s going on without you guys seeing it. I’ll post a video tomorrow of startup so you can hear how fast the fans are going and see the CPU’s performance on task manager the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: hp uu leme Jam#0384: But you aren’t trying to explain Jam#0384: :crome:
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: HP xw6200 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i cant quite understand if hes saying the cpu is getting hot or not but if its maxed out i guess it is Kwikxilver#6241: For some reason my pics aren’t loading so I can’t send you the pic I took of the cpu the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: why would u take a pic of the cpu bruh ur saying random unrelated things atm or im just confused here unless ur tryna show us ur repaste maybe? Kwikxilver#6241: I’ve confused myself the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: indeed Kwikxilver#6241: Let me just come back to you guys later when I can explain what’s going on properly Kwikxilver#6241: And give you exact specs Kwikxilver#6241: I appreciate you trying to help me @the aggresive toilet flusher the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: you dont have to come back later the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: but if u have to leave then ok Kwikxilver#6241: This is one of the processors in my build. They're both identical. I know it's a Xeon but I don't know exactly which one...searching the numbers has given me nothing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715007975718387773/IMG_3035.JPG Kwikxilver#6241: Both of them on the mobo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715008007251034204/IMG_3034.JPG
Kwikxilver#6241: From the specs doc - it's one of these. Not sure which. I will double check tomorrow when I turn it on again. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715008349183410181/Screen_Shot_2020-05-27_at_2.07.20_am.png Lumaterian#3557: that's socket 604 iirc SuSSudio#2688: Yeah SuSSudio#2688: Netburst era stuff Kwikxilver#6241: @the aggresive toilet flusher I've worked it out - these are my two dual CPUs. I had it written down from when I first used the system. Intel Xeon CPU 3.20Ghz We had this machine lying around and I'm trying to turn it into a Win 10 gaming rig for my partner, to tide her over until we build her a new pc properly. The machine shipped with XP - it had since been updated to run Windows 7. Pulling the machine out of the garage I tried to install Win 10, but when I booted to my install USB I only got as far as the Win 10 logo screen - no installer. So, I tried to install Windows 7 and succeeded! However whenever I boot to Windows 7, the fans in the machine (all fans) seem to be on 100% all the time. The CPU also hits 100% in task manager regularly when I'm not even running any programs. I've cleaned the machine completely, re-applied thermal paste to the CPU and I have replaced the old graphics card with an old Radeon HD 6770 1GB. Still the same. When I'm in Windows, aside from sounding like a jet engine I can browse the web and download things - but I can't identify my graphics card (just shows up as Generic Display Adapter). I also got a BSOD trying to run Chrome - with the code "MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION". Looking online supposedly it's either an issue with my hardware or it's my BIOS that needs an update. I'm unable to update my BIOS though - trying to update it from inside Win 7 just gives me an error saying "Failed to load driver".
This makes me think - maybe Win 7 needs the drivers for the chipset? Tomorrow I'll try installing any drivers I can find for it (as well as video card drivers) to hopefully fix some of the issues I'm having. Maybe then I'll be able to update the bios and hopefully get the system to Win 10 so it can get some updates. Chipset is Intel E7525 btw. Kwikxilver#6241: I'm heading to bed now but I'll report back tomorrow with more details of how it all went. the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: @the aggresive toilet flusher well then that explains alot of things , one the lack of driver support your system is very old so windows isnt exactly happy and each cpu is a single core with ht ( old 90 nm shit )so explains why its always pegged at 100 which explains the high temps which explains the fan noise and no chipset drivers wont help with those even if it fixed the bsod issues and you mentioned you wanted this to be a win 10 gaming rig sorry mate these things wont game at all if your consider anything , like anything modern at all like past 2005 as luma and dio said this is is socket 604 and more of retro tech at this point @Jam should be able to help you if you still want to run modern stuff on it but its just dead at this point for what you want to do Jam#0384: @Kwikxilver you can buy a CPU for $50 NEW that will beat your system, and even better Xeons. Jam#0384: I wouldn't go through with using it if I were you. Jam#0384: It's a Windows 2000/XP era machine. Netburst came out exactly 20 years ago, and those chips are around 17-18 years old most likely. Jam#0384: A CPU can be purchased for around $10 on eBay that will outperform that system. Jam#0384: And even that, would be too slow Jam#0384: These are past their due date, and they expired over a decade ago. Kwikxilver#6241: @the aggresive toilet flusher Christ. Sounds like this thing is really a bunch of crap then. I guess I should just give up on it then? Or is there something you’d recommend I do with it instead? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i think jam would be best answering that but personally id give lighter linux distros a try but lord be with you if you dont have a cd drive Kwikxilver#6241: @Jam it’s crazy this thing was still kicking around. Would any parts of the current pc be salvageable or is it a lost cause?
Jam#0384: for a new pc? no Jam#0384: It's worth money though Kwikxilver#6241: @the aggresive toilet flusher thanks mate. I guess if anything I got out of it a Linux machine! Kwikxilver#6241: @Jam how much do you reckon I could get for it? Jam#0384: $100-$150 Jam#0384: if you parted out Kwikxilver#6241: No way. Really? Jam#0384: It's borderline vintage the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: now now , make sure jam doesnt undercut u and nab it off to his collection the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: lmao Jam#0384: I don't want it the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: lies! :Hahahahaha: Jam#0384: but I can promise you someone on eBay does Kwikxilver#6241: I ordered some ram for this thing thinking it would help Kwikxilver#6241: So I’m that idiot lol
Jam#0384: ram doesnt help a near 2 decade old pc the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: that thing probably takes ddr1 and if ecc ddr1 is a thing then ecc ddr1 Jam#0384: yes ECC Kwikxilver#6241: It takes ecc ddr2 ram Jam#0384: oh thats odd the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: socket 604 ? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: jam is this possible Kwikxilver#6241: Yeah Jam#0384: ah ye its possible Jam#0384: 604 was refreshed during 775 era Jam#0384: some of the cpus were like 6 cores i think Jam#0384: HOWEVER Jam#0384: It's still way too slow and missing way too many instructions the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: woah Jam#0384: you're better off with the latest dual core Athlon
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: 6 cores Jam#0384: I think the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: and on his motherboard u can dual socket Jam#0384: don't quote me the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: imagine if you got 12 cores on that the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: wow Sentient Potato#6003: Imagine a 12 core celeron Kwikxilver#6241: Wait, so there’s something I can do with this machine then? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: no dont the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: dont Kwikxilver#6241: Are you saying I can swap the cpu out? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: not worth , and would probably cost u Kwikxilver#6241: Hahaha Jam#0384: Ah nevermind Jam#0384: Theres a similar socket
Jam#0384: these go up to 1c the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: Bruh Jam#0384: sad the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: has ht tho Sentient Potato#6003: Indeed Jam#0384: yes Kwikxilver#6241: Ok guys so what am I gonna do with this thing Jam#0384: Sell it Jam#0384: it cant do anything modern Jam#0384: except web browse on like Jam#0384: XP Kwikxilver#6241: Ew Jam#0384: Don't disrespect XP Jam#0384: better than 10 Kwikxilver#6241: So what, just sell all the parts separately on eBay?
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: with the right linux distro you can browse website that xp cant help ya with haha xp weak the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > Don't disrespect XP *literally does one sec later* Jam#0384: yeah, sell the board and cpus together tho Kwikxilver#6241: Idk how I’m gonna post this thing the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ask midnight the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: hell prol tell u how to sell it for 1000 xD Kwikxilver#6241: I guess if we can get some money for it that would be sweet Kwikxilver#6241: But is there anything fun we can do with it the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: linux isnt fun but its...cool i guess Jam#0384: do you like retro games Jam#0384: and old OS Jam#0384: otherwise no Jam#0384: it's a space heater if you need one Kwikxilver#6241: Excellent
Kwikxilver#6241: Just what I need, a bomb in my room Kwikxilver#6241: Honestly thank god for you guys the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ***bomb has been planted*** Kwikxilver#6241: Otherwise I would have spent the next few days on this the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: OOF Kwikxilver#6241: Scratching my head wondering why a 20 year old cpu wasn’t running win 10 Kwikxilver#6241: 😑 Kwikxilver#6241: Fuck me the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: well like the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: not all 20 year cpus are unable to run windows 10 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: but ye thats a pain in the ass even if it runs Kwikxilver#6241: Nah it isn’t worth it Kwikxilver#6241: I’m giving it to my partners dad to mess around with the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: you couldve sold it Kwikxilver#6241: Yeah I could do that too
Kwikxilver#6241: The mechanical hdds could be useful when we build my partners pc the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: @mi3night sells and buys stuff on ebay all the time hes made profit doing this , he can help you sell this the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: u do know its gonna be ide right? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: the hdds Kwikxilver#6241: They’re sata drives the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: woah Kwikxilver#6241: The mobo has two sata poets Kwikxilver#6241: Ports* the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: im surprised the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: also i forgot u have ddr2 so its the refresh the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: so i shouldve linked with what jam said but big brain time :crome: Kwikxilver#6241: Eh it was an interesting rabbit hole to go down Kwikxilver#6241: I may install xp for the hell of it Kwikxilver#6241: Or Ubuntu Kwikxilver#6241: For reference
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: but i wouldnt trust these hdds for anything theyre very old drives and will probably fail Kwikxilver#6241: How does this compare to raspberry pi specs the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ubuntu is asking for a bit too much the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: raspberry pi doesnt even have a x86 cpu the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: it uses arm cpus the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like the ones in phones Kwikxilver#6241: Ah ok Kwikxilver#6241: But theoretically is the Pi more powerful? the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: cortex stuff the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: well like the pi wouldnt be able to do stuff this system can do the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like run windows xp the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: or any game ur pc can run the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: but for stuff it can do the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ye the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: it would crush ur system
Kwikxilver#6241: Hahahahaha the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like browsing and stuff Kwikxilver#6241: I can’t wait to tell people about this mi3night#2562: whats up? Kwikxilver#6241: This is a good story the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: dude is gonna sell on ebay mi3night#2562: what are u gonna sell? the HP tower the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: he doesnt know where to start so i pinged u cause u have experience selling shit the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: its a really old pc the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: retro mi3night#2562: Oh it's ez af Kwikxilver#6241: @mi3night I have a hp xw6200 I want to sell for parts. I gotta sleep now but can I message you and figure out how to start? mi3night#2562: if u have a ebay account mi3night#2562: sure
Kwikxilver#6241: Cool Kwikxilver#6241: I’ll message tomorrow Kwikxilver#6241: It’s too late here Kwikxilver#6241: Thank you everybody for saving my brain mi3night#2562: alr Kwikxilver#6241: 🤙 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: its 4 am here i should sleep too the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: :crome: SuSSudio#2688: Gn kwikxilver Jam#0384: no Kwikxilver#6241: Thanks for your help last night guys Kwikxilver#6241: Seeing the folly of my ways Kwikxilver#6241: Got a question for you Kwikxilver#6241: Is there a cheap (sub 100gbp) build I could do that can run Win 10, photoshop, and most games? Kwikxilver#6241: I’m assuming the answer is no but I would love to be surprised
JustinXenyx#8854: In theory you could easily build something like that with used parts, but there is a MASSIVE roadblock, which is the current COVID19 pandemic going on, where people have been buying tech like crazy JustinXenyx#8854: So while usually you could build an i5 2400 + HD7870 PC with relative ease for 100 quid, right now that is pretty tough Kwikxilver#6241: Yeah i figures covid would be driving prices up Kwikxilver#6241: It sucks man mish#5687: anything that is proton crashes on me mish#5687: i tried moving stuff to my ext4 partition, still doesnt work Deleted User#0000: Just managed to pick those up for free. Would they be good for my new build? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715162942856757258/20200527_122013.jpg MythologicalZ#3752: sure, if they function MythologicalZ#3752: check health too Deleted User#0000: I'm going to Deleted User#0000: one pal of mine here asked if its worth it to swap an i7 4790 to an R5 2600 Deleted User#0000: is it really? MythologicalZ#3752: If he sells his Haswell stuff off, yeah MythologicalZ#3752: Get some upgrade money from old hardware and upgrade Deleted User#0000: its an exchange
Jam#0384: Then yes MythologicalZ#3752: so a trade deal then? is it just cpu for cpu? Deleted User#0000: no Deleted User#0000: i think its motherboard with cpu Deleted User#0000: b450m gaming Jam#0384: I’d take that MythologicalZ#3752: what does he have to give? MythologicalZ#3752: just his cpu? Jam#0384: He has a pretty much same (bit faster) perf now but he can actually upgrade to a better cpu Deleted User#0000: he already has an kit with the i7 on it Jam#0384: :haha: :haha: :haha: Deleted User#0000: with memory MythologicalZ#3752: just lay out the whole deal MythologicalZ#3752: so he gets 2600+board Deleted User#0000: ooh i got it wrong
MythologicalZ#3752: what does he have to give up? Deleted User#0000: he is gonna sell the whole kit to buy an 2600 kit Deleted User#0000: srry MythologicalZ#3752: if he gets market value for it, sure its worth it MythologicalZ#3752: high clocked ddr4 isn't expensive either Deleted User#0000: yeah, he is going to get it for cheap i guess cant say values here since im from brazil MythologicalZ#3752: ah MythologicalZ#3752: he has a gpu right? Deleted User#0000: yup Deleted User#0000: 1660 super MythologicalZ#3752: good pairing for a 2600 then MythologicalZ#3752: so yeah, worth swapping Deleted User#0000: ok MarcosCodas#6375: Hello, peeps. So, I ended up getting an Optiplex 7010 motherboard, model 06yby8, and an i5 2400 (again, this isn't for me, I'm building this for a friend under a VERY strict budget).
Here's my questions: 1. Am I right in thinking that this particular motherboard takes standard power supplies? 2. The 7010 wasn't offered with the i5 2400, but the motherboard features a Q77 chipset which is compatible with the processor, and of course, the socket is a match. Am I correct in assuming that the CPU will work? Or do I have to get a CPU that was offered on this particular Opti? 3. Are the cooler mounts standard Intel stuff? Or do I need bespoke cooling crap? Thanks in advance. JustinXenyx#8854: Even if you bought the SFF one with 2 PCIe slots it takes regular 24pin mobo / 4 pin CPU power plugs, so that shouldnt be an issue JustinXenyx#8854: I've yet to find someone having issues installing an i5 or i7 into those boards, even if the system technically never shipped with them they very likely have support implemented MarcosCodas#6375: It's not the SSF one I don't believe MarcosCodas#6375: Thank you very much for the heads up. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure JustinXenyx#8854: Cooler mounting wise, the holes are standard intel but dell used those shitty screw on aluminum coolers MarcosCodas#6375: I can just use a regular Intel one, though, right? MythologicalZ#3752: yeah MythologicalZ#3752: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715230247921909760/Suitable-for-DELL-Optiplex-7010-SFF-9010-SFF-Q77-desktop-motherboard-WR7PY-GXM1W-WDRVH-051FJ8.png
MythologicalZ#3752: can see the mounting holes are just like any other 115x board MarcosCodas#6375: Excellent MarcosCodas#6375: Thank you very much MarcosCodas#6375: No way to undervolt this conbo, right? MarcosCodas#6375: Combo* MythologicalZ#3752: Uhh, I dont think the bios will have voltage control MythologicalZ#3752: Maybe with XTU MarcosCodas#6375: PSU is 200w, should be enough as there's no dedicated GPU MarcosCodas#6375: At least not now MarcosCodas#6375: (it's not a gaming right, it's mostly graphic design) MarcosCodas#6375: audio editing, also Muse#0557: It'll work fine, they wouldn't build a pc that is designed to turn off after 30 minutes MythologicalZ#3752: iirc power is super expensive where he lives, probably why hes asking MarcosCodas#6375: I'm asking because I only bought the mobo and cpu (bringing from the US(, and I'm building the rest of the system with local parts. What I have is a 200w PSU, no idea what it originally came with MythologicalZ#3752: In theory the i5 should be fine
MarcosCodas#6375: Cheers thatubuntuguy#5914: Guys need a bit of help I'm having some touch screen issues I'm trying to get this touch screen to work on w10 it works fine on my desktop, but the axes are inverted on my mini stick pc if i try to calibrate it the pc rotates the display because the display i'm using is portrait by default thatubuntuguy#5914: @Tech Helper Jam#0384: I've never used a touch screen with Windows thatubuntuguy#5914: (sorry for ping but i've been at this for like 3hrs) Jam#0384: I don't know what any of that stuff is TheFifthAce#4128: hi gamer TheGeekster#8508: got the right drivers from the manufacturer? they generally have the tools to set them up right TheFifthAce#4128: @thatubuntuguy go to display settings TheFifthAce#4128: you can rotate the display in windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster It's this chinese i2c display TheGeekster#8508: *oh* thatubuntuguy#5914: i mean thatubuntuguy#5914: its a touch overlay thatubuntuguy#5914: which is i2c thatubuntuguy#5914: which i have stuck onto a 7 inch 1200x1920 lcd TheGeekster#8508: so it works on windows 10? what OS is your mini stick pc running? thatubuntuguy#5914: w10 thatubuntuguy#5914: i think the issue is that the 1200x1920 display is portrait by default, so when windows tries to calibrate it rotates it to the normal portrait orientation thatubuntuguy#5914: but it doesn't help, the axes are still inverted even if i calibrate in portrait mode thatubuntuguy#5914: like it registers touch and all dat but its just inverted TheGeekster#8508: ha i had a very similar issue with a cheap lenovo tablet that did the same, things were inverted and shit 🤔 may be dumb, can't mount the overlay up the other way? thatubuntuguy#5914: i just stuck it on 😦 i'm running out of the tape TheGeekster#8508: *ah* thatubuntuguy#5914: it's this funky double sided foam like shit
thatubuntuguy#5914: to stop the display touching the capactive side thatubuntuguy#5914: but i think i have enough for one more try TheGeekster#8508: 🤔 i mean would it fix it? thatubuntuguy#5914: i don't think so thatubuntuguy#5914: because anything on the x axis instead reflects on the y TheGeekster#8508: okay don't take it off just yet then :thinking_peter: thatubuntuguy#5914: so if i rotate the overlay itself by 180 degrees then it'll just do the same thing but upside down TheGeekster#8508: where did you buy it from? did it come with a disc? thatubuntuguy#5914: should i try deleting the drivers for it and letting the thing find the drivers thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster aliexpress, advertised as plug and play and it was thatubuntuguy#5914: plugged it into my w10 desktop and it worked perfectly TheGeekster#8508: and it wasn't inverted incorrect? thatubuntuguy#5914: no TheGeekster#8508: okay now *that* is weird TheGeekster#8508: like :thinking_peter: it should behave the same, providing you followed the same steps to install it
thatubuntuguy#5914: ye i literally just plugged it in like i did on the w10 desktop thatubuntuguy#5914: recognised it perfectly and registered touch but idk it was just inverted thatubuntuguy#5914: I found it in device manager thatubuntuguy#5914: should i just uninstall the device and reconnect it TheGeekster#8508: give it a go thatubuntuguy#5914: just did it TheGeekster#8508: :thinking_peter: looking it up it does seem to be a common issue, generally wrong driver or the driver identified it as the wrong screen thatubuntuguy#5914: didn't work TheGeekster#8508: have a look back on the aliexpress listing, they *may* have a download link to specific drivers thatubuntuguy#5914: hmm thatubuntuguy#5914: ok thatubuntuguy#5914: theres this file called input.inf somewhere according to device manager thatubuntuguy#5914: could there be calibration axis info in there potentially thatubuntuguy#5914: aight i found the listing thatubuntuguy#5914: Nope
thatubuntuguy#5914: No drivers thatubuntuguy#5914: reee thatubuntuguy#5914: hold on thatubuntuguy#5914: i have a "device not migrated" event @TheGeekster thatubuntuguy#5914: I have no idea what it means TheGeekster#8508: da fuq, device not... migrated TheGeekster#8508: i saw about input.inf, might be worth having an investigate thatubuntuguy#5914: Dyu know where it actually thatubuntuguy#5914: is thatubuntuguy#5914: bc this emmc is slow as fuck lmao Jam#0384: Tis a shame the windows search function is practically useless TheGeekster#8508: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715243357315793016/unknown.png thatubuntuguy#5914: cheers thatubuntuguy#5914: i'll have a look ther TheGeekster#8508: yeah click driver details and it should show where the driver is located
TheGeekster#8508: if it's stock, it's probably system32\drivers thatubuntuguy#5914: wasnt in there :/ doing a slow emmc search now lol thatubuntuguy#5914: i tried to click on driver details but it said no driver file loaded @TheGeekster thatubuntuguy#5914: what in the name of fuck thatubuntuguy#5914: how is it registering touch thatubuntuguy#5914: input.inf has no calibration info thatubuntuguy#5914: kek TheGeekster#8508: errrrr it might be one of those files that overwrites defaults thatubuntuguy#5914: I tried to calibrate it again thatubuntuguy#5914: And it won't detect my press thatubuntuguy#5914: because the axis is flipped thatubuntuguy#5914: :crome: thatubuntuguy#5914: my desktop doesn't have the device was not migrated thing thatubuntuguy#5914: wait i figured out how to do it thatubuntuguy#5914: it's gonna be a fucking pain in the ass
thatubuntuguy#5914: in the initial calibration i can press literally anywhere thatubuntuguy#5914: i just gotta map the cross hairs to where i need to press on the inverted display to hit the crosshair thatubuntuguy#5914: and then it should un invert itself thatubuntuguy#5914: fuck thatubuntuguy#5914: didn't work mish#5687: under pop os i get weird mouse acceleration issues the mouse is very slow and it slides a lot linux kernel: xanmod desktop enviorment: kde do you know what could be causing this ive tried another mouse aswell Miki2305#5707: My textures have a hard time loading gpu issues or driver issues or maybe even hdd being to slow? Muse#0557: in what game? Muse#0557: because it could be either or a mix of the two Miki2305#5707: in gta 5 and in beamng
Alcyone#2233: texture pop in is usually slow/not enough ram or slow storage Miki2305#5707: Probably my hdd then Alcyone#2233: beamng always loads slow with tons of pop in Alcyone#2233: but if its happening while gaming its probably the above BigPierogi#3368: @Alcyone idk if im right but in gta 5 if you have a low amount of cpu cache cant it take a while to load textures Alcyone#2233: i think when loading the map the first time yes BigPierogi#3368: am i correct BigPierogi#3368: or am i thinking of something else Miki2305#5707: I have 2.5mb of cache Miki2305#5707: 512k of l1 and 2mb of l2 BigPierogi#3368: that may be why BigPierogi#3368: but dont quote me on it Miki2305#5707: It probably my slow hdd Miki2305#5707: It maybe is 7200rpm but its old Muse#0557: what gpu do you have
Muse#0557: if the vram gets full Miki2305#5707: Nope Muse#0557: its gonna be grabbing lots from the hdd Miki2305#5707: It isnt vram Miki2305#5707: I have a 1gb r7 260x Muse#0557: thats not very much Miki2305#5707: I have everything on normal tho Muse#0557: fair enough Miki2305#5707: It takes up 800megs of vram Miki2305#5707: And my gpu usage is below 50% Miki2305#5707: corrupted download? Muse#0557: its probably the hdd Muse#0557: especially if youre driving around Miki2305#5707: holy s**t my download is finnaly ''speedy'' Miki2305#5707: > especially if youre driving around
Probably is then Miki2305#5707: My download on epic games is like 500kb/s Miki2305#5707: wtf Miki2305#5707: I usually have 100kb/s on epic Miki2305#5707: Read speeds are kinda slow tbh Miki2305#5707: And it has s.m.a.r.t BigPierogi#3368: can you run a crystal disk mark? Miki2305#5707: Aka auto turn off when its not used Miki2305#5707: > can you run a crystal disk mark? Probably Miki2305#5707: Ye sure BigPierogi#3368: just make sure nothing is running in the background BigPierogi#3368: like writing Miki2305#5707: Yup Miki2305#5707: Ok
Miki2305#5707: So pause all downloads and close everything? BigPierogi#3368: well its more like BigPierogi#3368: just pause downloads BigPierogi#3368: just make sure something isnt trying to read the disk or write to it Miki2305#5707: Ok Miki2305#5707: its running on my h drive Miki2305#5707: Ye its getting 60mb/s on read speeds Miki2305#5707: On a sata 3 interface and a speed of 7200rpm Miki2305#5707: Yep https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715289074474287114/unknown.png BigPierogi#3368: yea thats pretty slow Miki2305#5707: Yup Miki2305#5707: My drive is slow af, thats the reason probably Miki2305#5707: My drives are all slow even my ssd Miki2305#5707: It getting 400mb/s BigPierogi#3368: in comparison here is my hdd https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715289879076143277/unknown.png
BigPierogi#3368: also 7200rpm Miki2305#5707: I should get a new hdd probably Miki2305#5707: But they are expensive ASF in croatia BigPierogi#3368: hows the health on your drive also Miki2305#5707: Like $100 for a 1tb 7200rpm BigPierogi#3368: f Miki2305#5707: All of them are healthy BigPierogi#3368: alright BigPierogi#3368: what cpu are you using btw Miki2305#5707: Holy fuck my :H drive has been abused https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715290407524630588/unknown.png BigPierogi#3368: eh BigPierogi#3368: not that bad BigPierogi#3368: im sure cobs probably has way more Miki2305#5707: I have a slow but still pretty ok Athlon II x4 630 Muse#0557: thats 1000 days
Miki2305#5707: I have like a 7% bottleneck if someone is wondering Miki2305#5707: Thank god I am upgrading next year Miki2305#5707: For a r5 3600 and a rx5700xt Miki2305#5707: Well that is my goal BigPierogi#3368: nice Miki2305#5707: But still thoose drives are slow Miki2305#5707: imma do more reaserch Miki2305#5707: Holy fuck my cable menagement sucks Miki2305#5707: well my case doesent support cm so idc Miki2305#5707: How big of a difference can a stock cooler make? Jam#0384: The stock cooler on a 3600 is okay Jam#0384: Not great, but okay. Miki2305#5707: No Miki2305#5707: On my athlon Miki2305#5707: Because I had a stock cooler and put another stock cooler that is slightly bigger and dropped 20°C
Jam#0384: I don’t understand what you are asking Miki2305#5707: I had high temps Miki2305#5707: On a stock cooler Jam#0384: No I get that. Miki2305#5707: And changed it for another stock cooler and dropped 20°C Miki2305#5707: How BigPierogi#3368: are you sure it wasnt the thermal paste Jam#0384: What stock cooler did you change it for Jam#0384: Identical one? Miki2305#5707: Another amd stock cooler BigPierogi#3368: for the athlons? Jam#0384: Not all the AMD stock coolers are the same Miki2305#5707: A bigger one but not too much bigger Jam#0384: Size isnt everything BigPierogi#3368: hes on x4
BigPierogi#3368: are the x6 coolers differnt from x4? BigPierogi#3368: becuase if so he probably got a x6 cooler BigPierogi#3368: or a fx cooler Miki2305#5707: I had this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715292127046926400/1200px-AMD_Athlon_II_X4_630_heatsink-fan.png Miki2305#5707: now this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715292220181315604/s-l400.png Miki2305#5707: Like bruh Muse#0557: I really like the mounting mechanism Muse#0557: It's really satisfying Miki2305#5707: Its easy af Muse#0557: And way better than clips Muse#0557: And screws Miki2305#5707: Yes Miki2305#5707: It is soo easy Miki2305#5707: But still Miki2305#5707: How can that difference drop 20°C?
BigPierogi#3368: couldve also been you had dry thermal paste Miki2305#5707: Nope Miki2305#5707: Same thermal paste BigPierogi#3368: wdym same? Miki2305#5707: Literally applied thermal paste on the stock cooler then ran benches and removed the cooler and thermal paste and applied new thermal paste and the cooler Miki2305#5707: Same day changed the paste Miki2305#5707: On both coolers JustinXenyx#8854: one of them is a dinky aluminum shitpiece, while the other one is a slightly larger aluminum shitpiece that has a much better surface area Miki2305#5707: Still 20°C? JustinXenyx#8854: I mean, the temperature sensors in those athlons are really not to be trusted either way unless you view them via AMD Overdrive JustinXenyx#8854: so something that said 20C difference might have just been 5-10C Miki2305#5707: Not on overdrive Miki2305#5707: Coretemp Muse#0557: Doesn't matter JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah thats wrong then
Muse#0557: The sensors are junk JustinXenyx#8854: No it 100% does matter Miki2305#5707: Well Miki2305#5707: Not only via coretemp Muse#0557: 20c Miki2305#5707: It was pysically colder Muse#0557: Seems like a lot JustinXenyx#8854: Because the sensors are being interpreted properly in AMD overdrive JustinXenyx#8854: any other program just reads them wrong because they are odd as fuck Miki2305#5707: With thoose thermometer guns Miki2305#5707: It was literally 70°c and after the new cooler it was 50 JustinXenyx#8854: well yeah, the larger heatsink is not going to get as warm as the smaller heatsink JustinXenyx#8854: makes sense Miki2305#5707: well imma do beches Miki2305#5707: benches
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: henlo the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i can chat now cause the internet is better but i dont know how long it will last like this Ramiere#1840: My cooler is too high for my board i think Ramiere#1840: Like the screws arent long enough to reach Ramiere#1840: The screws have springs on them but idk how to extend them Ramiere#1840: @here the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: oh wait im in techtalkhelp the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: :crome: the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: all this time the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: im am idiot Ramiere#1840: I figured it out Ramiere#1840: But the drivers are on a dvd and i dont have a dvd player Ramiere#1840: Never mind Deleted User#0000: is this normal? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715402240889716806/20200527_202156.jpg Deleted User#0000: when i Alt + Tab it disappears but sometimes
not very often, only in gta 5 it happens Deleted User#0000: oh bad english right there TheFifthAce#4128: mem artifacts? Deleted User#0000: idk, i really hope it isnt Deleted User#0000: im already scared it might be Deleted User#0000: is there any program that can test that efficiently? Deleted User#0000: Kombustor idk mish#5687: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635625795695542272/715446929336696832/Vid_20200528_074823-11.mp4 mish#5687: why does my mouse move like this on linux mish#5687: plz send hel dexsters56#4904: i need alot of help right now if anyone can help i havea HP ProBook4530S laptop and it has 2 gpu's Intel hd 3000 HD 7400M
i cant install the ATI drivers because no matter which 7400m series driver i use it black screans and if windows loads a driver it will work but as soon as i launch a game. it shows a error saying "No amd drivers found". please i need help Full specs: Cpu:i5-2450m Ram 1x4gb ddr3 1333 SSD/HDD 120gm ssd and 500gb hdd Gpu's Intel HD 3000 ATI HD 7400M JustinXenyx#8854: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/amd-radeon-hd-7000m-series/amd-radeon-hd-7470m JustinXenyx#8854: The laptop uses Terascale for graphics, so you are going to run into some odd issues with it because the drivers really have not aged well dexsters56#4904: @JustinXenyx Catalyst or Crimson Edition Beta which one do i take? JustinXenyx#8854: The Catalyst ones are more stable and usually perform better, the Crimson Beta drivers usually trade performance for compatibility and are pretty unstable dexsters56#4904: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715469218317074492/TechPowerUp_GPU-Z_2.31.0_28_05_2020_10_39_01.png
dexsters56#4904: thats what gpu z shows now dexsters56#4904: brb il try the link you sent dexsters56#4904: ok no luck as soon as drivers installed, black sreen and lock up JustinXenyx#8854: The GPU might be dying then dexsters56#4904: yeah most likely dexsters56#4904: im looking into getting mini pcie to usb and usinga mining adapter to attach a gtx 960 to the laptop Miki2305#5707: Type A? Miki2305#5707: And Mini pcie? JustinXenyx#8854: > im looking into getting mini pcie to usb and usinga mining adapter to attach a gtx 960 to the laptop @dexsters56 That's not worth it Miki2305#5707: Isn't mini pcie only for nvme? JustinXenyx#8854: @Miki2305 those are way different things JustinXenyx#8854: mini pcie is for wifi cards and that stuff, it has now been replaced by M.2 slots JustinXenyx#8854: NVMe is the PCIe SSD stuff Miki2305#5707: Gotcha
dexsters56#4904: @JustinXenyx ok yeah that would make sence that even a old phenom ii x4 955 would still blow the door of thi mobile i5 Bisexual Billy#9476: Has anyone tried a old C2Q laptop? I wonder what it's like compared to a mobile i5. JustinXenyx#8854: That wasnt even my main point, the massive issue is that the GPU would get bottlenecked to shit because it only has 1 PCIe lane @dexsters56 dexsters56#4904: @JustinXenyx yeah true. Its better to not even waste money on crummy adapters and just get a desktop and slam that card into that dexsters56#4904: Yet rn when ever i can im using a phenom ii x4 955 3.6ghz 12gb ram 1x4gb 1x8gb GTX 970 TheFifthAce#4128: @Bisexual Billy I have a c2q laptop TheFifthAce#4128: it's fine Bisexual Billy#9476: Oh wow, what laptop is it? Some kind of thinkpad? TheFifthAce#4128: no its some hp massive fuck off media machine with 8gb ddr2 and a dedicated hd 3650 TheFifthAce#4128: c2q t9000 or something TheFifthAce#4128: 4c4t 2ghz
Bisexual Billy#9476: Guessing it's a glorious elitebook. I'm currently using one myself until I get myself a new PC, they're some good shit. Budget#8265: @dexsters56 If you know much about PCs sometimes forcing the INF File to install on Terascale can work. But thats a last resort option dexsters56#4904: @Budget i think the gpu is dead because once windows loaded a driver and i saw artifacts as soon as it laptop tried to boot Budget#8265: Fair enough] Budget#8265: Ive seen that before Jam#0384: if you smash it into a million pieces and reglue the entire thing together, you might fix your graphics card Jam#0384: If that doesn't work, try grilling it or microwaving to make better connections at solder joints Jam#0384: And if that doesn't work, unfortunately your card is dead. D.D.M#8226: After smashing it i think there is no hope for it Jam#0384: You are wrong Jam#0384: don't you know anything about computers Megalink#9827: Anyone specialize in CRT monitors here kinda? Jam#0384: I have a CRT Jam#0384: what do you need help with
Megalink#9827: I got PVM monitor for free but it's in poor shape Jam#0384: Just the case or? Megalink#9827: Its broken too but I beileve its power supply issue cause I hear buzzing in the power area. Megalink#9827: But all I'm doing is cleaning it up first from the inside and out. Jam#0384: I wouldn't service it to be honest. Jam#0384: Besides cleaning Jam#0384: I know about CRTs and setting them up, but maintenance yeah no. Jam#0384: Not to mention CRTs are practically radioactive Jam#0384: well, literally radioactive Megalink#9827: I just wanna clean it, fix the plastic casing too, and hopefully bring it to a repair center that specializes in that stuff Jam#0384: But a Trinitron is really valuable Jam#0384: So it could be worth getting someone to repair Megalink#9827: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715616309186003004/20200528_132225.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715616309978857533/20200528_132240.jpg Megalink#9827: What I have is a trinitron PVM Jam#0384: I know
Jam#0384: I personally just have a Compaq V720. Megalink#9827: I just wanna see if theres a way I can clean the inside of the glass without breaking anything Jam#0384: I'm not the right person to ask Jam#0384: But I know a server that might be able to help Jam#0384: If you want to DM an invite. Megalink#9827: Send me the link, I'd like this working due to how expensive it is. Megalink#9827: Please and thank you Rysing Dragoon#5628: G'day mates Rysing Dragoon#5628: I have a desktop microphone that technically works but doesn't register in any kind of video recordings or gaming Rysing Dragoon#5628: Like when I try to talk in GMod by pressing X, it doesn't register for some reason Rysing Dragoon#5628: Can anyone figure out what I'm doing wrong? "Cobs"#1150: Does it work in programs like audacity? Some microphones require those cheapo usb sound cards to register anything Rysing Dragoon#5628: Damn Rysing Dragoon#5628: Well at least I got my microphone working in OBS Ramiere#1840: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715706044935831623/image0.jpg
Ramiere#1840: What is this TheFifthAce#4128: audio? TheFifthAce#4128: wait audio is shorter than that TheFifthAce#4128: usb with extra grounding pins? TheFifthAce#4128: I know hp did that Clode#2428: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715733908762918983/Screenshot_20200529-021018_AliExpress.jpg Clode#2428: Is it worth it? Clode#2428: Sorry for the portuguese writing Lady Mipha#0611: that's usb @Ramiere Jam#0384: @Clode no Jam#0384: not really Ramiere#1840: > usb with extra grounding pins? @TheFifthAce you were right. I just plugged it in woth the other two hanging off and it worked thought it was tpm TheFifthAce#4128: ye Lady Mipha#0611: ye
Dstroyer101ftw#6616: If I own a digital copy of windows 10 home (got it for free legitimately from Minecraft years ago) can I transfer it to another computer? Lumaterian#3557: from... minecraft? Lady Mipha#0611: yes if it’s linked to your account Lady Mipha#0611: @Dstroyer101ftw if you have an online account yes offline no but yes Dstroyer101ftw#6616: Yeah I've got an online Microsoft account Lady Mipha#0611: oh yeah it should be linked to your account then JustinXenyx#8854: @Clode Not really worth it, the 26xx xeons are low clocked to shit JustinXenyx#8854: like, a ryzen or even intel equivalent with the same core counts but higher clocks absolutely kicks the shit out of those 26xx parts Clode#2428: Makes sense Clode#2428: Thank you thatubuntuguy#5914: Help thatubuntuguy#5914: I can't get Ubuntu live usb to boot thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715881961373302784/JPEG_20200529_115910.jpg JustinXenyx#8854: solution: install windows ye cheeky cunt JustinXenyx#8854: :Hahahahaha:
JustinXenyx#8854: you booting in UEFI or legacy? Lady Mipha#0611: :Hahahahaha: Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^^^ thatubuntuguy#5914: @JustinXenyx tried both thatubuntuguy#5914: it's to fix the inverted axis on my touch screen thatubuntuguy#5914: i'm using linux on my fake compute stick, already have an install but windows fucked grub up so i need to boot a live usb on my pc, download boot-repair, install it, plug that stick into the fake compute stick, repair grub and then boot into the preexisting kde neon installation thatubuntuguy#5914: i mean i'm dual booting win 10 and kde neon on the fake compute stick thatubuntuguy#5914: When I boot in uefi mode I get my post screen thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715887894627352677/JPEG_20200529_122244.jpg thatubuntuguy#5914: Been stuck like that for like 5 mins thatubuntuguy#5914: Oddly enough boots perfectly on the compute stick thatubuntuguy#5914: I thought it was BC of my rx470 but I booted in safe graphics mode and it still doesn't work thatubuntuguy#5914: Legacy gives me the flashing cursor thatubuntuguy#5914: 😩 thatubuntuguy#5914: Wait I got it to work
thatubuntuguy#5914: I used my laptop thatubuntuguy#5914: It's the GPU most likely Dogecode#7321: My iPad just won’t update to 13.5 Dogecode#7321: It hangs at “Update Requested” and won’t do anything LuminousFuture#5919: ive been having this issue recently where i can't adjust tabs on chrome, and i can't adjust the icons pinned to my taskbar, and when i play a video the windows ten volume thing stays up there in the corner as long as the page with the video is open. resetting my computer fixes it temporarily, any ideas? @Tech Helper Budget#8265: Have you tried resetting Explorer.exe Budget#8265: Ive had that bug on a Windows 8.1 Install Once before Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715943629423902781/unknown.png Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/715943657336864899/unknown.png LuminousFuture#5919: I have tried that as well, it's even happening through a fresh install of windows 10 Budget#8265: So this is an up to date fully wiped install of Windows 10 and it happens Budget#8265: I am stumped on that LuminousFuture#5919: yeah, i've been trying to look it up and am getting no good help there either. tried swapping out mice, keyboards Budget#8265: What build of Windows is it LuminousFuture#5919: 1909
LuminousFuture#5919: windows 10 pro Budget#8265: Hmmmm Budget#8265: On Windows 7 and 8 does the issue persist LuminousFuture#5919: ill make a video showing the issues im having, but i did find a new issue while doing so, I can't play videos locally saved to my machine either, so i cant really see how the video looks until its uploaded Budget#8265: Run a Memtest, might be some obsure Memory issue is the OS is part locking up LuminousFuture#5919: i havent tried win 7 or 8 LuminousFuture#5919: ill try a mem test then Budget#8265: Okey Budget#8265: 👍 LuminousFuture#5919: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvA7iRRD8ac&feature=youtu.be sorry if i ramble a bit, its still early over here, doing mem test now LuminousFuture#5919: no mem issues apparently Jam#0384: @LuminousFuture that volume thing is a windows thing I'm pretty sure Jam#0384: Not Chrome Jam#0384: But I don't know what's going on there. Jam#0384: Might want a reinstall
Budget#8265: He's tried a reinstall aparently Budget#8265: Id be intrested to see if Windows 7 or 8.1 have the same issues Jam#0384: If he's reinstalled I'm assuming theres some user error or hardware problem LuminousFuture#5919: i guess i can do a dual boot for windows 7? i have a 120 ssd somewhere Budget#8265: Honestly grab a random spare HDD and just plug that in and see how it goes Jam#0384: windows 12 MythologicalZ#3752: unless you have a ps/2 port its gonna take time to get 7 on am4 LuminousFuture#5919: i do have a ps/2 port, but nothing to plug into it MythologicalZ#3752: :crome: Jam#0384: Amateur Deleted User#0000: Does anyone have any budget case recomendations (£30) because the case I was wanting to get Just went up £20 for no reason "Cobs"#1150: > i do have a ps/2 port, but nothing to plug into it @LuminousFuture looking at that video, it screams that your mouse/keyboard is doing something funky "Cobs"#1150: update your drivers for both if they're remotely non standard Alcyone#2233: just try to get something with a mesh front, all cases under about $50-60 are all pretty cheaply built
"Cobs"#1150: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-mag-vampiric-010-mid-tower-chassis-tempered-glass-1x-120mm-argb-fan-radiator-support-atx-matx-mi my dad brought this a few days ago, but its 50 quid Dogecode#7321: @Deleted User The Rosewill FBM-01 is about $30/£25 so that’s probably the best option new. For that budget though it might be better to try to get an old computer tower for next to nothing that your parts fit in Deleted User#0000: I was thinking of a Avp kolus but some people didnt recommend it to me Jam#0384: Issue I'm facing: CD/DVD Drive (Any Drive, in Windows Only with any IDE cable) Either does not load discs in Windows, and even if it does upon opening it locks up or crashes and then restarts windows. Doesn't matter boot order, jumper placement, drive, cable, etc. Does the same thing with other gpu/sound card, etc. Issue persists after a Windows Reinstallation, which used a CD on said drive and then still worked. What is the conflict? Any suggestions? I've used the same installation disc on multiple systems in the past, including this one, with none of these issues present. And the same applies for the drives and cables and other components. Another issue that I've encountered multiple times is upon attempting to view the files of the DVD ROM that isn't loaded properly, and error messages shows up to tell me My Computer is not responding. Jam#0384: Chipset drivers, etc are all installed. Jam#0384: @Tech Helper Budget#8265: I take it other DVD Drives work? Jam#0384: nope Jam#0384: All have the same issue Jam#0384: but this continued after a Windows reinstall Budget#8265: and all work fine on another board?
Budget#8265: Could be the BIOS Chip giving in to Bit Rot Budget#8265: I have seen that cause I/O issues Jam#0384: And magically Jam#0384: I swap again and move stuff around Jam#0384: And it is working Jam#0384: the real test is if it remains working after a restart Xbox 360 1953#2640: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485138525885431808/716136273299112016/IMG_20200528_234038.png real gaming hours Xbox 360 1953#2640: Who needs airflow if you could have your case open all the time Lady Mipha#0611: :epicgamer: vegetal#8870: what even is cable management Lady Mipha#0611: exactly SuSSudio#2688: case looks just like mine except with less occupied space in the front SuSSudio#2688: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716140720691347546/IMG_20200202_235212.jpg Xbox 360 1953#2640: Nice vegetal#8870: what is that psu
SuSSudio#2688: Black Silver 400W You don't recognize that brand but it's well known here locally SuSSudio#2688: Been since 00s afaik Xbox 360 1953#2640: Pls enlighten us ZeroForsaken#0001: @Xbox 360 1953 that cable management is almost as bad as mine :epicgamer: Dogecode#7321: Here's my problem with the iPad. It just refuses to update. I tried soft restarting, I tried hard restarting, and no matter what I do it always hangs on "Update Requested". Dogecode#7321: I tried plugging it into my computer and downloading it through iTunes, it downloaded the update but both times I tried it it said "The update was corrupted during download" and wouldn't install. Dogecode#7321: I tried updating through Recovery mode and it downloaded the update but it just hanged at "Preparing iPad for restore..." until the recovery mode timed out and it failed Deleted User#0000: is it ok to disable the paging file on W10? "Cobs"#1150: > I tried plugging it into my computer and downloading it through iTunes, it downloaded the update but both times I tried it it said "The update was corrupted during download" and wouldn't install. @Dogecode Perform a factory reset via settings on your iPad, attempt to set it up again, it'll force you to update during the setup as long as you connect to WiFi. "Cobs"#1150: > is it ok to disable the paging file on W10? @Deleted User yes if you have plenty of ram (32GB+) Deleted User#0000: i have 16
"Cobs"#1150: I wouldn't disable it then Deleted User#0000: oh "Cobs"#1150: is there any reason you want to? Deleted User#0000: ive seen on some posts about forza horizon 4 crashing bcuz of that "Cobs"#1150: paging only occurs when you run out of memory or are running low "Cobs"#1150: if you disable it, you'd just crash your game instead Deleted User#0000: ohh.. "Cobs"#1150: sounds like you need to upgrade your ram or check that no background apps are running while you're gaming Deleted User#0000: yeah no luck Deleted User#0000: bad optimization may be the case too Deleted User#0000: idk Xbox 360 1953#2640: I managed some cables https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485138525885431808/716370507108450314/IMG_20200530_151950.png JustinXenyx#8854: oh it's the meme rosewill case that every us budget youtuber used in like 2015! JustinXenyx#8854: :Hahahahaha: Xbox 360 1953#2640: Yep
Xbox 360 1953#2640: :epicgamer: Xbox 360 1953#2640: I'm looking to upgrade soon Xbox 360 1953#2640: ayy my cpu idle temps are better now that i repasted Jam#0384: sad hare_ware#4880: My mom just kicked me out of our home office, so I can't run an "open air" (everything mounted to two pieces of MDF) set up anymore, luckily she's willing to buy me a case. She want's to spend around $50. Is there a case that is relatively small (my bedroom is small), can vertically mount a GPU (I have a card that blocks my SATA ports), but still takes at least 2 more PCI-E cards (one for WiFi and a USB 3.0 card for VR)? The Thermaltake Core G3 was almost perfect, except it only supports SFX powersupplies, making it too expensive. The Coolermaster Q300L is a perfect size, but I'm not sure if I can use the PCIE slots with a v-mounted GPU. JustinXenyx#8854: That sounds a bit impossible for 50 bucks to be quite honest JustinXenyx#8854: I'd like to be proven wrong, but from my knowledge, memory etc i would not know a single case that would meet those requirements for 50 dollars JustinXenyx#8854: also: If you room is "relatively small" do you even have space for VR? JustinXenyx#8854: One thing that comes to my mind if you are already willing to run an open air bench style setup with MDF: Why not make something wall mounted yourself? JustinXenyx#8854: Regarding the Q300L, you would need to buy one of those adapter kits for vertically mounting your GPU which would put it over 50 dollars AND there would be no space for other PCIe accessories as all the slots would be occupied (and that is assuming they exist for a case with only 4 expansion brackets) JustinXenyx#8854: Just for reference, what graphics card and motherboard do you have? @hare_ware hare_ware#4880: Ah, I knew I was forgetting something, it's an mATX motherboard from a Dell Optiplex 990 and a EVGA GTX1660 SC. JustinXenyx#8854: Oh yeah those sata ports are placed like absolute shit, i could see even a smaller GPU blocking those hare_ware#4880: Also, I finished a big commission recently, I was going to upgrade the CPU and SSD, but it looks like I'm buying a power supply and GPU mounting hardware instead. JustinXenyx#8854: Why not buy a proper case that can fit your current hardware instead?
JustinXenyx#8854: Pretty sure that would come out cheaper hare_ware#4880: That's what I'm doing. hare_ware#4880: It's not a standard power supply I'm using right now if that's what you mean. It's one of those weird Optiplex half height ones. JustinXenyx#8854: Right then JustinXenyx#8854: I just checked, i doubt even the Core G3 would fit your needs JustinXenyx#8854: it only has 2 expansion brackets which are for the GPU, no extra openings in sight hare_ware#4880: The GPU is v-mounted in the G3 JustinXenyx#8854: which would solve the SATA problem, but still not the expansion issue with the wifi and usb 3.0 cards JustinXenyx#8854: because those have no place to go hare_ware#4880: Yeah, frick. JustinXenyx#8854: I think the best compromise would be to go with an ATX case, which would have enough room for all your stuff instead of trying to compromise with a smaller case hare_ware#4880: I guess so, I have no clue how much space I'll have my college dorm next year, so I guess I'll just have to hope. TheFifthAce#4128: @hare_ware $50 and I'll send you a system with full height parts TheFifthAce#4128: 990 is sandy right? JustinXenyx#8854: His main issue is just the boards sata ports causing all this
TheFifthAce#4128: you can put your cpu and ram in TheFifthAce#4128: yes JustinXenyx#8854: So even a simple board swap would do the trick TheFifthAce#4128: I'd include case, mobo, psu TheFifthAce#4128: :uwuPip: TheFifthAce#4128: and cooler TheFifthAce#4128: he just swaps in his cpu, ram, drives and gpu TheFifthAce#4128: and off to the races he goes hare_ware#4880: @TheFifthAce I'm going to need way more details than that before I even consider this an option. Are you in the US? What are the specs? And do you have an eBay listing? In the last 14 days do you suspect to have been in contact with a person who may have COVID-19? TheFifthAce#4128: I'm usa, the specs are whatever you put in them, ebay takes fees, no TheFifthAce#4128: like I said, $50, I'll ship probably an HP 1155 system with a 380w bronze PSU TheFifthAce#4128: no cpu, no ram TheFifthAce#4128: full height TheFifthAce#4128: you have a cpu and ram that can go into it hare_ware#4880: I'll pass.
TheFifthAce#4128: ok hare_ware#4880: Sorry TheFifthAce#4128: gl then hare_ware#4880: Is this a good buy? I'd have to get a much much new CPU, but it seems like a steal. Almost too good to be true. https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-795231-001-ProDesk-600-G2-LGA-1151-Socket-H4-DDR4-Desktop-Motherboard/362847702921 JustinXenyx#8854: Even with a board as cheap as that in the end you would probably still come out cheaper or around the same price as if you bought a similar AM4 PC @hare_ware JustinXenyx#8854: keep in mind you would need new memory aswell with both the 1151 and AM4 options hare_ware#4880: Yeah... JustinXenyx#8854: also i just noticed this: You would also need adapters for the proprietary power connectors Jam#0384: yeah practically none of that will work in a normal atx hare_ware#4880: It's mATX, at least according to the listing Jam#0384: Size yes Jam#0384: look at the power connectors hare_ware#4880: Uh oh Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716421988620697610/unknown.png hare_ware#4880: Why is that so cursed
Jam#0384: It's called OEM hare_ware#4880: Can I run this off GPU power connectors is the real question. Jam#0384: no DarknessFalls229#2286: noooooooo JustinXenyx#8854: hell to the fuck no+ Jam#0384: That's how you blow stuff up JustinXenyx#8854: This is some proprietary ass shit with custom pinouts JustinXenyx#8854: no GPU power connector stuff JustinXenyx#8854: They might use the same connector but surely not the same pinout Jam#0384: Just don't buy LGA 1151 anyways Jam#0384: Stupid socket and that board is probably garbage Jam#0384: There's more than likely multiple other issues with it working for a gaming system. Jam#0384: As per usual, my recommendation is AM4 if you're going this route. Jam#0384: Or 1155 with certain deals Jam#0384: Reallly depends on price
Alcyone#2233: never go oem JustinXenyx#8854: only go OEM if cheap enough Alcyone#2233: or just dont and keep your manhood Alcyone#2233: certain oem are okay if they follow the atx spec. but they are still shit, just easier to get working shit hare_ware#4880: I don't have a lot of money, (I have $100 and my mom is willing to pitch in $50) and this was the computer I used for doing art commissions, but trying to raise funds isn't completely out of the question. hare_ware#4880: So going OEM is fine, as long as it works. hare_ware#4880: Oh shoot, this is the motherboard I thought I had linked! https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-ProDesk-400-G3-799156-001-Mini-ITX-DDR4-1151-Motherboard-Tested/143555070863?epid=2293161318&hash=item216c8c8b8f:g:bRwAAOSwFflekJde JustinXenyx#8854: My answer still stays: fuuuuuck no JustinXenyx#8854: :Hahahahaha: JustinXenyx#8854: I'd think saving up until 200 bucks, then buying used Ryzen stuff and then a cheaper case would probably work out the best JustinXenyx#8854: especially with that board only having one additional PCIe slot so if you wanted to get another USB3 card you would need to use a USB wifi card and those suck ass hare_ware#4880: I wouldn't need another PCIe card, since this has USB3.0 on it already JustinXenyx#8854: 2 Ports lol JustinXenyx#8854: which depending on your headset is more than you need or only half of what you need JustinXenyx#8854: The bigger issue though is that people massively overcharge for 1151 chips
hare_ware#4880: ^ JustinXenyx#8854: And given that this board is probably only compatible with 6th and 7th gen you would be stuck with 4c/8t chips at the BEST so that already is a flawed plan from the start imo hare_ware#4880: Oh shoot, yeah, going ryzen would make more sense if I can get something cheap enough hare_ware#4880: XD "ddr3 ryzen phenom" https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716432066564063414/unknown.png hare_ware#4880: Okay, new plan, stay on the upgrade path I was going for before I got "evicted", buy this mobo https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Motherboard-H61H2-LM2-V1-0-CIH61MI-No-CPU-or-I-O-Sheild/202984873506, and buy a PSU & thermal paste. That way I can keep all the hardware I already have and not need to vertically mount the GPU. Also, this supports 3rd gen CPUs, so that's a big plus. Alcyone#2233: if you cant afford a ryzen and dont want to buy it piece by piece when you have money 1155 is probably the way to go hare_ware#4880: ^ wiryfuture🦀#1706: Would I have much of a difference in performance if I switched from i5-8250u to r5 3500u? JustinXenyx#8854: CPU wise probably not but you would gain a lot of GPU performance wiryfuture🦀#1706: they look nearly identical to me on specs Alcyone#2233: i dont know mobile parts hare_ware#4880: And what are the rest of the specs? @wiryfuture🦀 wiryfuture🦀#1706: uh, well, this? @hare_ware https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-14-dk0008na-14-Laptop-AMD-Ryzen-5-3500U-512GB-SSD-8GB-RAM-Windows-10/233581486077 wiryfuture🦀#1706: from from this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dynabook-Portege-12-5-Intel-Core-i5-8GB-RAM-256GB-NVMe-SSD-Windows-10-Pro-Blue/373069373221?hash=item56dcaadf25:g:8uIAAOSw6eldpwWm wiryfuture🦀#1706: shorter battery life defo
wiryfuture🦀#1706: but that's fine wiryfuture🦀#1706: I believe that hp has type c charging support so I can charge it off my power bank hare_ware#4880: The Dynabook/Tobisha is double the price hare_ware#4880: And has half the amount of storage wiryfuture🦀#1706: I *have* the dynabook JustinXenyx#8854: Your power bank needs USB PD to charge that laptop iirc @wiryfuture🦀 wiryfuture🦀#1706: @JustinXenyx It does wiryfuture🦀#1706: 60w :))) JustinXenyx#8854: Oh damn, you invested nicely on that wiryfuture🦀#1706: it was only like £35 JustinXenyx#8854: Most people just cheap out on power banks and try shit it is not supposed to do wiryfuture🦀#1706: 20,000 milliamps wiryfuture🦀#1706: was on sale IIRC wiryfuture🦀#1706: charging a laptop with a powerbank is sexy hare_ware#4880: Maybe sell the Tobisha and get a real man's laptop, a Thinkpad?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I think I'll get that hp wiryfuture🦀#1706: and upgrade my pc with a ryzen also hare_ware#4880: Yeah, my friend has a similar Omen laptop, it's really nice, but HP's build quality and just plain structural design is pretty terrible. wiryfuture🦀#1706: I hate dual hinges wiryfuture🦀#1706: that hp has one of those single hinges, hdmi AND ETHERNET 😩 hare_ware#4880: I'd still recommend the HP though hare_ware#4880: And a *lot* of plastic. wiryfuture🦀#1706: I can't seem to find many decent laptops that have hdmi and ethernet hare_ware#4880: ~~thinkpad~~ oh wait you said HDMI. wiryfuture🦀#1706: :Hahahahaha: wiryfuture🦀#1706: I don't want dongle life anymore wiryfuture🦀#1706: i've had enough hare_ware#4880: Yeah, but think of all the VGA displays you can plug into! wiryfuture🦀#1706: my entire school hahah wiryfuture🦀#1706: none of my stuff or anyone elses's stuff
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I have a vga dongle hare_ware#4880: EXACTLY! oof Xbox 360 1953#2640: What do you guys think about the corsair 100r? wiryfuture🦀#1706: I used to have it wiryfuture🦀#1706: the acrylic is horrible hare_ware#4880: Decent, but there's no PSU shroud and the front panel has very little ventilation. wiryfuture🦀#1706: little cable management space for a non-modular psu wiryfuture🦀#1706: has two 5.25" bays you can't remove Alcyone#2233: no mesh=no buy hare_ware#4880: ^ wiryfuture🦀#1706: ^ wiryfuture🦀#1706: also it just isn't that good wiryfuture🦀#1706: spend more on a case with mesh and glass wiryfuture🦀#1706: acrylic gets scratched up Alcyone#2233: pc needs air, the most important thing
wiryfuture🦀#1706: my pc didn't have an issue with cooling wiryfuture🦀#1706: just dusty Xbox 360 1953#2640: how about mx330-g Jam#0384: just get a meshifyc Alcyone#2233: then after that, cable management space, and nice features like a glass window hare_ware#4880: Scratched up & "battle scared" is an aesthetic option if you want to go that route. Alcyone#2233: meshify is like $100 Xbox 360 1953#2640: meshifyc is like 100$ Jam#0384: well yknow what Alcyone#2233: hey Jam#0384: shut Jam#0384: just buy it for less Alcyone#2233: the metallicgear neo air is $65 and comes with 2x rgb fans Jam#0384: so 2 useless fans Alcyone#2233: same chassis as the p350x
Alcyone#2233: but with a mesh front and no integrated led strips Xbox 360 1953#2640: for 65$? wew Alcyone#2233: phanteks p350x https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716438519199039505/unknown.png Alcyone#2233: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585235845305466908/680119066505379870/unknown.png metallicgear neo air wiryfuture🦀#1706: 😰 wiryfuture🦀#1706: 😩 Xbox 360 1953#2640: Could you link me it? Alcyone#2233: its just phanteks budget line, quality should still be good Alcyone#2233: i dont even know where you live or if its available. should be easy to google Xbox 360 1953#2640: I live stateside Xbox 360 1953#2640: Checked amz and its not avail there Alcyone#2233: http://metallicgear.com/Skiron-RGB-120
these are the fans it uses Alcyone#2233: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwzFf7/metallic-gear-neo-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne520a_bk01 no links on pcpp, it might be sold out atm Xbox 360 1953#2640: lame Xbox 360 1953#2640: I'll wait a bit then Alcyone#2233: coolermaster nr600 is also a good atx case that should be under $70 Alcyone#2233: but i think the neo looks better and it comes with the fans Alcyone#2233: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083LYL7V5? p300A is also a decent option Xbox 360 1953#2640: hmm Xbox 360 1953#2640: I think I'll wait for the neo since 2 fans Xbox 360 1953#2640: plus i can steal one from my current case and use that as exhaust Xbox 360 1953#2640: Thanks you for letting me know about the neo wiryfuture🦀#1706: is there much of a difference between a r5 2500u and 3500u?
Jam#0384: zen and zen+ wiryfuture🦀#1706: in terms of performance I guess Jam#0384: no clue Jam#0384: laptops are stupid Jam#0384: so I wouldn't know wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'm trying to find one that has like, i5 8250 - r5 2500u or more powerful that has hdmi, type c (charging) and ethernet wiryfuture🦀#1706: If all goes to plan, I'll have ~£700 wiryfuture🦀#1706: which I can spare for one in this range (of course, less is better) Melon#1312: @Spenc BRUH Melon#1312: I HEAR YOU ARE SELLING GOLF Spenc#5960: YES Jam#0384: NO Spenc#5960: Golf is leave on Tuesday iirc Spenc#5960: I get $250 for it Spenc#5960: @Melon
Spenc#5960: And then I get ford falcon and then I sell polo Spenc#5960: And I no longer have vag thatubuntuguy#5914: ! thatubuntuguy#5914: he is giving up the vag! thatubuntuguy#5914: he is not simping thatubuntuguy#5914: :crome: Xbox 360 1953#2640: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716533949047767091/unknown.png Xbox 360 1953#2640: anyone know why my drive might be running at 1.5Gb/s? Xbox 360 1953#2640: https://www.cnet.com/products/hgst-ultrastar-a7k1000-hua721010kla330-hard-drive-1-tb-sata-300-series/ according to this it should be 3.0Gb/s Melon#1312: @Spenc i disown you Ramiere#1840: Is there any bottlenecking with a r5 3600 and gtx 1060? Jam#0384: The 3600 is enough for a RTX 2080Ti Jam#0384: Does this answer your question @Ramiere Ramiere#1840: Oh i guess so Deleted User#0000: BTW. Can someone explain me about the Plug and Play OS in the BIOS setting?
Deleted User#0000: I'm not sure because a lot of sources I read often recommends to leave it disabled. Deleted User#0000: And it didn't make sense to me since modern OS has full PnP capabilities anyway. JustinXenyx#8854: @wiryfuture🦀 I think i would hold out a little longer for Ryzen 4000 mobile JustinXenyx#8854: Those chips are fucking impressive for the mobile space Golo#4822: Does anyone know what card this is? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716614353096409178/20200531_132409.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716614353645994004/Screenshot_20200531-132521_eBay_Kleinanzeigen.jpg JustinXenyx#8854: I would guess it's a 460 wiryfuture🦀#1706: @JustinXenyx when is Ryzen 4000 mobile coming out? Racey#8574: it already is out wiryfuture🦀#1706: 😳 JustinXenyx#8854: The chips are technically out iirc, it just takes a little from laptop manufacturers to adopt it/bring their products to market wiryfuture🦀#1706: :crome: wiryfuture🦀#1706: is the performance boost worth it? wiryfuture🦀#1706: you can get a laptop with a 3500u for £400 wiryfuture🦀#1706: cheapest I'm seeing these laptops with 4500u and above is £700-ish JustinXenyx#8854: From what i know/remember: they are a decent bit more power efficient than R3K mobile offerings and the graphics power is a bit better
JustinXenyx#8854: 4500u is 6 cores vs 3500u which is 4c/8t wiryfuture🦀#1706: Idc about graphics I use my laptop for programming wiryfuture🦀#1706: no wiryfuture🦀#1706: 4500u is 6c6t 4600u is 6c12t JustinXenyx#8854: that is not what i said? :haha: wiryfuture🦀#1706: why would I want less threads 😅 JustinXenyx#8854: 6 cores are usually more effective than 4 cores with hyperthreading wiryfuture🦀#1706: okay wiryfuture🦀#1706: still wiryfuture🦀#1706: Idk if that's a £300(+) perf boost JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah true, Ryzen 4000 Mobile is a lot better with efficiency and stuff but if the machine is more used like a portable desktop you wouldn't see a lot of benefits from that JustinXenyx#8854: And in the end it is up to you if you want to spend that extra money wiryfuture🦀#1706: If I used less I might be able to go ryzen on my desktop at the same time wiryfuture🦀#1706: and that would be a massive performance boost wiryfuture🦀#1706: hahaha i3 2100 :crome:
JustinXenyx#8854: I think the 400 quid HP is probably the most effective and most budget friendly for you JustinXenyx#8854: Like, for me a laptop is more of a long term investment and i don't have any issues with my main rig, where as you still run an underpowered i3 and your current laptop is miles faster than your desktop wiryfuture🦀#1706: I won't get that hp if it doesn't have type c, I think this would be fine, looks metal too, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233602043507 wiryfuture🦀#1706: I have a decent gpu and an ssd wiryfuture🦀#1706: if I replace that cpu that I got just to get the system running, it'd be pretty nice JustinXenyx#8854: If you plan to use that Type C for charging, the ASUS does not support (or does not atleast mention it) charging via USB C wiryfuture🦀#1706: noooooo wiryfuture🦀#1706: aaaaaaaaaaaaaah Budget#8265: @Tech Helper If any of you are around please can you @ me in response to @Muse becoming a possibly Tech Helper Budget#8265: and if you have any opinions on it Budget#8265: 👍 JustinXenyx#8854: While i do think they sometimes say stuff that i personally would not directly agree with (or quite frankly would think is retarded) having multiple opinions is good, instead of people for example just coming to me for all their stuff Jam#0384: He is good for most stuff Jam#0384: He has above general knowledge Jam#0384: So I suppose yeah give it
JustinXenyx#8854: @Budget check the above MythologicalZ#3752: dont care personally, more people and opinions can probably just help more though Budget#8265: Fair enough lads Budget#8265: 👍 Cody#0117: Anyone know why my Medion motherboard only accepts Ram from one set of slots? Works fine if i put 2 sticks in the 2 slots of the same color, but doesn't regonise extra when i fill up the other 2 slots. in the bios it says only 4 gb (2x2 GB) is seen, and windows says 8 GB (as much as i put in) but only 3.99 gb usable PC is a first gen i5 system JustinXenyx#8854: 3 words JustinXenyx#8854: 32bit Operating System JustinXenyx#8854: or the board has issues compensating with the higher memory density Cody#0117: Nope, as i said, only sees 4 gb in the bios too JustinXenyx#8854: Just for a point of reference, what 4GB sticks are we talking? Budget#8265: Ive had RAM die and that Windows Detected, but could never use Budget#8265: Try a Memtest Budget#8265: 👍
Cody#0117: i have 4 identical sticks of 2 gb Hynix PC3-8500 Budget#8265: Hmmm Cody#0117: all ram works when installed separate Budget#8265: Tested with another CPU? Budget#8265: Cause mem controller is on CPU that gen Budget#8265: Ive seen 1156 Mem Controllers go bad and do that kinda crap JustinXenyx#8854: Oh i completely misread, i thought you installed 2 sticks with 4GB on each stick not you putting 4 sticks of 2GB in Budget#8265: Either that or board ded Cody#0117: memtested, don't have another CPU on hand for that socket, do you really think that could be it? Budget#8265: possibly, RAM is not my strong point JustinXenyx#8854: CPU could be a likely culprit for that sort of thing Cody#0117: Board is fine for the rest and always starts fine (with only the 4 GB) Cody#0117: Well, guess i'm going to need to get another CPU then JustinXenyx#8854: Generally older platforms can be finnicky with memory, even with memory that is "time appropriate" Budget#8265: Yeah wasnt till 1155 that things sorta became a bit more standard and nice to work with
Budget#8265: 1156 is a funny platform as first main adoption of DDR3 Cody#0117: i mean, PC3-8500 is time appropriate Budget#8265: I take it youve tried a BIOS update and all that jazz Cody#0117: yeah, have a 3rd gen i5 system as my main PC, this one is my second one for use with the tv, haven't tried a Bios update, because i don't know what system the board originally came from Budget#8265: Medion will likely be Foxconn MythologicalZ#3752: no MythologicalZ#3752: msi Cody#0117: not many markings on the board, but does say N1996 (which probably doesn't have anything to do with it) JustinXenyx#8854: MSI or Foxconn, my guess would be MSI though Cody#0117: is a green board though Cody#0117: and has 6 Sata ports, which was one of the main things i bought it for Budget#8265: N1996 was an acer board vegetal#8870: n1996 is a lga775 board Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716696854544384023/unknown.png
Budget#8265: There you go vegetal#8870: oh yeah Budget#8265: https://soggi.org/misc/articles/MSI-N1996-motherboard-video-card-odd.htm Cody#0117: Isn't N1996 just some kind of quality thing? Budget#8265: Strange website MythologicalZ#3752: have you checked the pins MythologicalZ#3752: and which slots are working Cody#0117: All slots work when the other slots are unoccupied, have not checked the pins as i haven't had the CPU out of the socket Budget#8265: Might be worth reseating the CPU Budget#8265: Could be a dodgy contact MythologicalZ#3752: yeah MythologicalZ#3752: or bios being wacky Cody#0117: i'll try that, i'm going to look if i can find which model it originally came from Cody#0117: and maybe get a bios update DarknessFalls229#2286: Is there also not some Memory bios setting that limits the capacity. ive had boards before take like 1GB because i didnt enable something like Memory Hole or something. might be exclusive to older boards though
Cody#0117: Had it take 6 gb once, but doesn't want to take it now Budget#8265: Might be an issue with Running Dual Channel Budget#8265: I have seen than on OEM 1156 before Budget#8265: 🙏 vegetal#8870: searching "N1996 LGA1156" gets me to the i5-650 vegetal#8870: :epicgamer: Cody#0117: Dual channel seems to work with 2 in the same color of channel, i have the i5-750, which i never had a problem with until i wanted to upgrade the ram with some i had laying around. i have 2x 8 GB DDR3 in my main pc, i'll see if that works and regonizes the full 16 GB, or that something is wrong with the motherboard (won't sell it with my expensive HyperX 8 GB sticks though, only part i ever bought new. Cody#0117: ) Lumaterian#3557: 1156 has problems with more than 8gb of ram sometimes DarknessFalls229#2286: it being first gen i series, it might have issues detecting 8 GB sticks Lumaterian#3557: also can have issues with 8GB dimms Cody#0117: Well, you win some, you lose some, i think i lost this one I'll try anyway Lumaterian#3557: I once put a 16GB dimm into an 1156 board and the board (which didn't have a speaker or any kind of beep codes) began to scream
DarknessFalls229#2286: otherwise just buy a pair of 4GB sticks, dont think they are too expensive Lumaterian#3557: the highest-pitched noise I've ever heard a pc make DarknessFalls229#2286: you should hear my 9600 GT without its power connector Cody#0117: think i'll do that if i get any other results with this ram, otherwise i'll just sell it with 4 GB installed, getting kind of sick of this pc now DarknessFalls229#2286: 4GB IS still usable, but really not optimal for gaming, if it is a gaming pc youre building Cody#0117: Yes, it is, it's got a GTX 660 for the rest and some very cheap 550 watt 'MARS GAMING' PSU, which with a bit of luck won't blow up Cody#0117: it just feels cheap Cody#0117: you probably know the feeling of a cheap PSU, this one feels even cheaper DarknessFalls229#2286: an i5 750 and GTX 660 shouldnt consume that much power DarknessFalls229#2286: so its probably fine Cody#0117: does have 3 HDD's though DarknessFalls229#2286: but that getting that 8GB working would be nice, so perhaps a bios uppdate would do good DarknessFalls229#2286: 3HDDs? Cody#0117: 2x250 GB in raid and 320 gb as boot drive (were free for me, had them laying around)
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmm okay i guess Cody#0117: well, striped partition in windows, so kind of Raid DarknessFalls229#2286: usually for budget gaming pcs its optimal to have a small SSD combined with a bigger HDD DarknessFalls229#2286: software raid DarknessFalls229#2286: dont know enough to know if its worse than hardware raid or not Cody#0117: are the Aliexpress SSD's any good? Had a goldenfir or something which wasn't bad. Asking also because my old SSD lit on fire a few months ago and kind of want a new one DarknessFalls229#2286: uhhh, well, first of all, dont get a Kinston A400 or anything with a phison s11 controller DarknessFalls229#2286: theres an SSD list sticky'd to this channel Budget#8265: Ive had good experiences with current WD Green Drives DarknessFalls229#2286: so id recommend something like an ADATA SU650 Budget#8265: and Crucial and OCZ Cody#0117: i now have 4 HDD's in my main PC, i kinda need a bigger drive to replace 3 other drives Cody#0117: My Crucial SSD lit on fire, a BX100 250 GB one
Cody#0117: from the early days of SSD's DarknessFalls229#2286: ive been using a dirt cheap Kinston 120GB SSD for years now as a main drive and its been fine with a bit of data management Cody#0117: Also have a WD green as second drive and a WD blue as my primary Cody#0117: and an older 'Greenpower' WD and a 500 GB Seagate 2.5 inch which i had left from upgrading an old laptop DarknessFalls229#2286: Also, get an SSD with DRAM if you regularly do big file transfers Cody#0117: i don't really do big files on my SSD's as i use them primarily for booting DarknessFalls229#2286: then DRAMless is fine Cody#0117: My pc should not be looked at if you like a cable managed machine, cables everywhere Cody#0117: even outside the pc to another Sata drive Cody#0117: it is also watercooled which clutters it up even more DarknessFalls229#2286: i find it very much worth it to cable manage a pc, unless its a non-essential PC or a pc where youre constantly swapping hardware DarknessFalls229#2286: Also helps airflow a bit, but if you dont have a seethrough sidepanel, out of sight out of mind Cody#0117: i do test GPU's a bit before i sell them, i don't have a clear side panel, i have no side panel, i do have 5 fans in it though DarknessFalls229#2286: well then DarknessFalls229#2286: out of sight out of mind it is
Cody#0117: it sits right next to my desk, i don't really mind it, there is a hard drive which sits on its own little table next to the pc which is connected to the PC internally Cody#0117: Also, anyone know something about the HDD's in cable boxes? Have a few HDD's (a WD and a Seagate) from almost identical cable boxes which are both originally 500 GB drives, but have a little sticker on it saying 320 GB, drive manager also sees 320 GB Are these just factory reject 500 gb which have been reprogrammed to only use 320 gb so the manufacturer of the cable box could save a little money? or do they just have the wrong Seagate and WD label on it which i highly doubt because both say 500 on the original label Budget#8265: Could check DISKPART Budget#8265: thatd tell you Remperus#2847: I need an upgrade for my PC because it cant even game anything now. Remperus#2847: The specs of my PC are an Amd Athlon II X4 630 Remperus#2847: A 8400gs and 4gb of ram DDR3 Remperus#2847: Im just trying to upgrade my graphics card and add 4 gigabytes more of ram i have a budget of 220 btw Lumaterian#3557: don't upgrade that, AM3 is a dead end Lumaterian#3557: you can put a better card in it and it'll help for a bit Lumaterian#3557: but AM3 is so ancient it's a bad time Budget#8265: Yep sell up and move to 1155
Budget#8265: or AM4 if you can afford it Cody#0117: 1155 is good, even the i5's are more than enough Jam#0384: Ehhhh Jam#0384: No, not really. Cody#0117: Ehhhh Jam#0384: The i5s are usable, but even the i7s are becoming too slow for some newer games, and definitely for heavily multithreaded tasks Jam#0384: You really want a 4c8t with OCing capability on 1155 Jam#0384: However, that is not the value option Jam#0384: That's poor value. Cody#0117: yes really, i have an i5 3330 which is more than enough for most modern games at lower settings, and they are cheap used Jam#0384: So really if you can get an i5-2400 that's cool, it's just barely scraping by though MythologicalZ#3752: they are good chips for budget builds MythologicalZ#3752: not much else to say Jam#0384: Yeah pretty much MythologicalZ#3752: 4c/4t death has been spoken about for ages now
Xbox 360 1953#2640: It really sucks how expensive i7s are in comparison to i5s Cody#0117: got my full set with the cpu, ram and motherboard 2-3 years back for like €100, still works and runs games fine, also with a GTX 960 4GB Jam#0384: the locked i7 chips and Xeon equivalents can sometimes be had for hardly more than the i5, but not super often. the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: i copied this from an andriod discord that has a tech suport forum so beware wall of text coming in and tbh i dont expect u guys would know but i appreciate it anyways annnde the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: 3 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: 2 the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: TEXT WALL the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: Phone: anroid tv box (x96 mini) ROM / Android version: i installed the atx rom for my device the..uu s905w? i think Root (yes/no): no Xposed, or any other modifications: Any physical damage prior to defect: no Describe your issue: well im having issues with netflix , which did work on this rom before but the version thats currently bundled needs an update and when i downloaded it it appears as if its another app , thing is im getting error code ui-113 and google doesnt help much , i have suspitions it has to do with the app that came with it so i deleted but i dont think deleting it was enough , what files should i delete maybe ? or what should i do ( this is what i think is the fix ) but if this isnt even the issue im all ears Xbox 360 1953#2640: Oh yeah I forgot about xeons Jam#0384: Yeah
Jam#0384: Really the issue is the fact that 1155 is only truly viable on the midrange with a decent OC or better 4c8t Jam#0384: which is shit value Jam#0384: You'd spend less on a 3300x rig Jam#0384: Which is like a 7700K roughly Jam#0384: So.... the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: ping me if anyone replies LaeMat#0420: so i still can't get the linux databases to work LaeMat#0420: i have no clue LaeMat#0420: and it's even repeating the ones it already tried now LaeMat#0420: @Mixi14653 Mixi14653#3883: It doesn't say after syyuu to remove var/lib/pacman/db.lck? LaeMat#0420: lemme see LaeMat#0420: still erroring out LaeMat#0420: it's the same thing the main tab is saying but resolving timed out after 1000 milliseconds LaeMat#0420: @Mixi14653
Mixi14653#3883: It should be Mixi14653#3883: We do the same thing but with console LaeMat#0420: should i just download this software from their sites instead? Mixi14653#3883: You can't Mixi14653#3883: Arch doesn't work like that LaeMat#0420: should i have just installed ubuntu instead Mixi14653#3883: Ubuntu bad Mixi14653#3883: You're in Canada, right? LaeMat#0420: yes Mixi14653#3883: So the US mirrors probably should work Mixi14653#3883: Do sudo pacman-mirrors -c United_States Mixi14653#3883: Then run sudo pacman -Syyu LaeMat#0420: gitlab name or service not known LaeMat#0420: wikipedia name or service not known
LaeMat#0420: bitbucket name or servicce not known Mixi14653#3883: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Mixi14653#3883: Idk, mate, sorry LaeMat#0420: i tried syyu LaeMat#0420: failed everything LaeMat#0420: nothing on google makes sense either LaeMat#0420: should i just install windows 10 LaeMat#0420: well that'll be too slow LaeMat#0420: what should i install instead? LaeMat#0420: pop os? Mixi14653#3883: Pop is nice Mixi14653#3883: Idk why manjaro doesn't want to work with you, such a great OS otherwise Mixi14653#3883: Imma go sleep, i have an exam in 7 hours LaeMat#0420: imma try pop os and if it doesn't work then imma say fuck it and literally just install android x86 or windows 10 Mixi14653#3883: Fair enough
Mixi14653#3883: Bye LaeMat#0420: bye FuckinReece#0021: Today’s dumpster score what do you guys think https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/716818920262336522/image0.jpg Jam#0384: Nice case Jam#0384: 7/10 would use for an XP machine Jam#0384: Or 7 Racey#8574: Looks nice if it's from the pre 2010s tbh Muse#0557: What does pre 2010s mean Muse#0557: The 00s Muse#0557: ? Jam#0384: i suppose ya Muse#0557: The titanic sank in Pre ww1 Muse#0557: :epicgamer: Jam#0384: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZ_xK5z4Vo Muse#0557: Thank
Aspire#9354: guys i need help, my friends pc turns on fine but no display on the monitor. The monitor only says no display connected even tho its connected to the gpu. Also no hdd activity light. I tried telling him to clean the ram, putting the card on the bottom slot, unplugging and plugging back the video cable, but nothing. Even changing cmos didnt help. any solution? FuckinReece#0021: dumb as it sounds does he have the display cable plugged into the motherboard or the gpu FuckinReece#0021: if its plugged into the motherboard it wont work D.D.M#8226: If the cpu has integrated graphics tell him to remove the gpu and see if the display shows wiryfuture🦀#1706: how do I respond to this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/717026745915670568/unknown.png wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'm not mi5, how am I supposed to provide them with sales history of my laptop Budget#8265: You just give a reciept JustinXenyx#8854: @wiryfuture🦀 i would take out your real name and that help number wiryfuture🦀#1706: eh I don't care if people have my name wiryfuture🦀#1706: half of it is in my discord username who cares wiryfuture🦀#1706: and that help number is useless anyway JustinXenyx#8854: oh alright then, i thought the help number had some importance wiryfuture🦀#1706: yeah wiryfuture🦀#1706: it's just replying to the email
Deleted User#0000: Just bought Corsair 8gb 1600mhz ddr3 ram for £22 (which I think is a good deal) Muse#0557: Thats not too great Muse#0557: Its not like youre getting ripped off Jam#0384: that's fairly average Jam#0384: But I've gotten worse deals so eh uoʇsodɾ#2412: What's the cas? MythologicalZ#3752: likely cl9 Jam#0384: probably cl10 uoʇsodɾ#2412: Just wondering. What is yall's prosses for overclocking RAM. For me it's 1. Clock as fast as the bios can post to on stock voltage 2. Look up and apply safe voltage for kit. (ex. 1.4V for most DDR4 RAM. 1.35V if in a hot box) 3. Clock down to a stable memtest86 if needed. 4. Tighten timings as tight until memtest86 shows a bad pass. 5. Relax timings some until no errors are found in memtest86. Jam#0384: I don’t really care much for extreme ram overclocks Jam#0384: I just push mhz on stock settings until it says no Muse#0557: same here Muse#0557: you dont get the returns for the extra effort Muse#0557: unlike cpu and gpu oc MythologicalZ#3752: ehh, modern intel has gains and ryzen clearly does
Jam#0384: I just use my XMP on my ryzen MythologicalZ#3752: I basically just do what you said poston, if I have to do manual Jam#0384: Too lazy to do anything else MythologicalZ#3752: otherwise just high end kit with good xmp Jam#0384: I’m at 3200 and thats fine at XMP for me Jam#0384: I mean I could have gains but it won’t be the biggest deal MythologicalZ#3752: neato Muse#0557: atm my cpu is linked to fsb so i havent tinkered in a hot minute Xbox 360 1953#2640: I might regret not getting the nr600 when it was in stock, i just hope the neo is in stock sometime this month Alcyone#2233: @uoʇsodɾ p much the same crank mhz if it can, test, overvolt, test, tighten timings at the highest stable ram clock. test, Dogecode#7321: My case's memory card reader stopped working a while ago Dogecode#7321: The four slots show up as removable disks in disk management but they don't show up in explorer and inserting a card causes disk management to stop responding until I remove it Dogecode#7321: It could just be a weird thing with this old prebuilt case since the internal connector for the reader has only four pin sockets and doesn’t have the top five of a normal USB 2 header, although I read somewhere that it would still work like that Xbox 360 1953#2640: just ordered the neo air as soon as i saw it back in stock on newegg