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and it all sounds like location four to me | loc4 |
embedded in layer one because theres a you experiencing this not necessarily its still nondual there wouldnt be like a separate looker or something but theres still a sense of an individualized sense of self that is recognizing and experiencing this all present all containing awareness | lay1 |
when shifting deeply and exclusively into layer 4 which essentially only happens from location 4 on it can feel like layer 3 collapses or disappears | loc4lay4 |
suppression of peace | loc2lay1 |
i feel the vibration of what i call love or either love joy or compassion usually compassion is the easiest one | loc3 |
i feel like based in the mind that its a place that i experience the world from and where my attention is most of the time | loc1 |
layer three experience | lay3 |
location two layer three this sense of pure beingness full with presence and life force experiencing a field of infinite potential formless but pregnant with possibility that as well in there in addition to the love peace yes | loc2lay3 |
there are exceptions however for a minority of location 3 finders their profound sense of truth involving what should be done in most situations can be so strong that it can make them difficult to live with | loc3 |
i can still get triggered but negative emotions fall off much faster like glimpsing into layer four by doing unprovoked happiness | loc1lay4 |
contains everything is everything is just here | lay2 |
impersonal emotion | loc3 |
because at least theres some action now and im kind of like since transitioning a bit detached about you know my career who gives a shit you know and you know family just you know an idea like im more detached and i dont really care about a lot of things achievements you know and of course if i would just like to sit on my couch and you know i dont know become a mommy you know its i see why the system can be fearful about that you know yeah but yeah bringing it in into life more i think and and spending more time thinking deeper and see then where it takes me i think its a very good point | tfw |
i felt that freedom for a long time because i used to be a prisoner of my emotions | loc4 |
instead a very different truth might emerge to take its place | loc4 |
very conscious | loc2lay3 |
theres still a lot of thoughts that i have they are not so much in as as they were when i was not in fundamental being | nfw |
living a charmed life | loc2 |
and then for location three theres all sorts of methods lesters love i think was one that was mentioned a minute ago by you if i remember right and theres ascension | loc3 |
and you may find that when you get to location three that lifts there is a personal emotion component to it that is producing some negative valence in there that is producing sort of that negative feel | loc3 |
not nondual | loc3 |
personal definition of compassion | loc3 |
feel like spacious | lay2 |
there was no choice and it kept unfolding | loc4lay2 |
thats a common thing for people to have when theyre first in the experience but then it can settle out sometimes over days sometimes over weeks sometimes over months frankly but typically it does settle out for those who have that experience going into location three | loc3 |
if there is none present that maybe my default is layer two | lay2 |
beingness so beingness when you say that and when i when i tune into that i feel like for me that feels like more of a layer two thing | lay2 |
empathetic | loc3 |
i do have a fullness sometimes of more bliss yeah and it can be very little things i can see the sun coming up and shining through through a window and the sun the light catch something and it just it makes me feel really happy inside yeah | loc2 |
there is a powerful directionality and gravity to layer 4 which can be difficult to escape location 4 finders often experience what they describe as a deepening after initially transitioning which can last from a few weeks to a few months and typically involves their perception being drawn more deeply and exclusively into layer 4 | loc4lay4 |
emotion | loc3 |
but initially it seems like theres just no possibility from location seven of any duality or any further deepening and then that happens and youre just like um so yeah that sounds like location eight um and thats definitely a place thats very hard to function from um people that are there persistently or basically attended to | loc5+ |
expansiveness to relate | lay2 |
when psychologically triggered they could | loc1 |
layer three is nice but it doesnt beat netflix and cheetos | lay3 |
location 3 layer 3ss | loc3lay3 |
and maybe it pulls you over to location three | loc3 |
self felt expanded | loc1 |
certainly if youre in layer one all the time there wont be as you know it wont be very dominant in your experience by comparison | lay1 |
the all pervading aliveness | lay3 |
this is especially the case for finders who had a divine experience of layer 3 before transitioning to location 4 because divinity disappears | loc4lay3 |
the sensory overload of location 1 layer 4 contrasts sharply with an inner feeling of flatness where external stimuli lose their edge | loc1lay4 |
i think its and i think its more because i feel more connected to other people people as well | lay3 |
so ive been working on that for decades anyway um but there are some things i dont have access to like dont have access to i cant see or hear or feel the effects of of the energy transmission but that people tell me about later after the concerts over um so i dont have a sense of where exactly its going other people have been able to see that observe that process happening but um for me im just aware of it all radiating out and very very centered and very spacious | loc2lay3 |
those who can experience it more fully are typically finders who have deepened into layer 4 in later locations and are pulled back down to location 1 for some reason | loc1lay4 |
when that reaction occurs and there is that contraction in some way inside you or whatever else | loc2 |
but life kept unfolding | loc4lay2 |
i want to do fundamental wellbeing so that i can be in layer three of this location or layer whatever so that i can achieve this | lay3 |
its hard to let go of that but i think thats my experience yeah | loc2 |
location 3 finders are typically delightful to be around | loc3 |
nondual location | loc2 |
okay great so thats our main test for nonduality its very clean you know its just straight perception there isnt some question around some how does your sense of self feel or something like that nonduality is a perceptual thing so it can be tested with perceptual means so we know now that youre at least in a nondual location it sounds like you have some range of emotionality you talked about how they drop off quicker but theyre obviously still present | loc2 |
and so basically ever since then its been more of a layer two type thing | lay2 |
and im a separate object now you know and all of that if instead you know more or less the perceptual stuff stays the same even though that reaction is occurring in the system then you know youre basically staying in location two | loc2 |
location two layer three because a lot of the stuff there has been seen through and you know you sort of reconstituting parts of the individualized sense of self bringing agency back in | loc2lay3 |
psychedelics | nfw |
i feel so free so free | loc4 |
stillness for you is a good way of accessing layer three | lay3 |
youre looking for some sort of consciousness whether divine or just consciousness to emerge or to or a hint of it or something that you can find in that mist youre looking for that meta emotional experience of joy love compassion and can have other things | loc3 |
deeper into layer 2 there is an association with the substance of its spaciousness as ones true nature which is also experienced as the essential nature of everything | loc2lay2 |
reports a significant reduction in or even complete absence of thoughts | loc4 |
but it was not the overriding sensation thats experienced so just thought oh definitely not close to layer three where were in layer two here and thats good | lay2 |
this includes very lowlevel brain processes such as dissolution and reassembly of how the senses are perceived | loc5+ |
love with everybody and everything you know and just you know overflowing with love towards them | loc3 |
feel kind of like an alien | loc4 |
location 2 somewhat paradoxically the quality of self in layer 2 and later is impersonal | loc2lay2 |
return to emotion | loc4 |
to more of a nondual emptiness space | loc2 |
could that possibly mean i was in location one | loc1 |
personal sense of self | lay1 |
i hear you thats whats great about these exercises um prior to fundamental well being | tfw |
if you went in the direction of location for fire location layer three of location two youd sort of avoid those and really sink into the center looseness stillness silence really dissolution of any sense of self | loc2lay3 |
location 2 finders will often comment that at times they fall back into their old sense of self and this often relates to aspects of layer 1 which has a quality of self that feels more individualized and personal than other layers at this location | loc2lay1 |
seeker | tfwc |
spacious perception | lay2 |
freedom is a bigger container than love | loc4 |
layer 1 can usually be easily accessed in location 3 but is by no means the default anymore | loc3lay1 |
vastness to the point of actually a little dreariness | lay2 |
cant have the look or see without going into the mind | lay2 |
that environment became an aversive stimulus to location four until eventually one day the system was just lets not go to location four anymore | loc4 |
false assumption | lay1 |
agree absolutely and it looks like youve had great progress | lay3 |
unprovoked bliss and happiness | loc3 |
you could have just as dominant an experience of mental activity if you really got shallow into layer one but you wouldnt suddenly feel like theres something in your head or behind your eyes thats looking out your eyes and stuff is out there and youre in here and its distinct and separate | loc2lay1 |
i meditated for several months for two hours a day and had quite quite a lot of experiences during that period im pretty sure i was in location three | loc3 |
it took me like five minutes to come back and be able to talk like a normal person again and so ive actually been avoiding those unless im i have someone near me um buddy im staying with is a pretty advanced meditator but hes like a happy location three person | loc3 |
so a lot of those experiences arent directly related to fundamental wellbeing | nfw |
yeah so the class or the session following the layer two session will be layer three | lay3 |
and its still kind of have that aliveness or that awareness quality is still being differentiated from existence | lay3 |
that stillness is then next sort of felt as a fullness | lay2 |
emptiness | lay2 |
everything comes together like it has for you | loc4 |
experience of the spaciousness but its still relatively shallow because your identity isnt generally speaking really shifting into that | lay2 |
i have no emotion zero just its kind of weird | loc4 |
but theres no sense of like i see myself because the self is just not seeming real anymore | lay2 |
because their own emotions arent influencing the situationas weve seen in this chapter peace or the disturbance of it is often of utmost importance to the success of finders committed relationships | loc4 |
fullness and the energy | lay3 |
you know that you mentioned what sounds a lot more like a layer three type thing so is it a stabilizing and layer three thing and viewing other layers through that or is it a fluidity of experience | lay3 |
layer two and feel emptiness | lay2 |
in a direction stillness | lay3 |
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