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people are divinity
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loc3
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shallower form of a similar
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loc4
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you know whats interesting is it feels it feels like this might sound kind of weird it feels full on this side and it feels spacious on this side and it feels um
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lay3
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in location three theres a soul in location for the notion that theres a soul is just crazy you know its like wow what a delusion that is
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loc3
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there are moments when i tend to sit out on my lookout and i tend to sing a lot and i just love singing and just creating that energy
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lay3
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spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back
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lay2
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we like to use a perceptual test for nonduality
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loc2
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its more like that the way you describe layer four when its experienced from layer three is being like this sense of a deep mystery behind it all and you know its like my mind cant grasp it and but i sense it
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lay4
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bouncing light
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nfw
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panpsychist
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nfw
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theyre not associated with emotion
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loc4
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i feel it pulls me out honestly fundamental wellbeing
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nfw
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i love you
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loc3
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two would be you know vast spacious emptiness and i do experience vastness you know if i close my eyes and just go inside thats something ive felt for decades but i dont know the yeah im just confused about presence versus the presence of fullness versus emptiness i dont experience a lot of contrast so when im in my full heart space i dont sense that theres so much greater presence than when i feel like im in a more emotionally neutral or emotionally absent space
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lay2
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regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences
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lay3
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it sounds like your your sense of self is really centered in layer three
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lay3
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a lot of deconditioning can happen at location three so thats a bit of a magical deconditioning spot for sure
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loc3
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i heard sounds when i was seeing light so some forms of light and beeping light like on and off light
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nfw
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all pervading sense of consciousness
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loc3
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whole sort of shift of orientation
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loc2lay3
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you know its like pulling a piece of the foundation out of that whole habit system that learned to do something whether it was moving an arm or taste or whatever else its a bit like sort of pulling a pin out of the foundation and then everything kind of gets scrambled and it might have to be relearned now thats an extreme case theyre often very short you know people just glitch right through them and theyre like oh that was weird and things are fine now um so anything along those lines that you can remember
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loc5+
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yes if youre more rooted in layer three
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lay3
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so as you continue to work in with and sink into stillness and just trying to get to the sort of the maximum of that that is possible stillness silence
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lay3
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it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it
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loc5+
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its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really
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lay3
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maybe primary silence and presence would be the two
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lay3
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either location one with some shallow access to layer two
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loc1lay2
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they acclimatize more quality or dimensionality kind of is discernible so something like the qualities of layer three
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loc3lay3
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divinity
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loc3
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so youre saying too because im you know youve watched some of these and youve seen the perceptual thing and youve identified presumably that there is no looker and no listener
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loc2
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probably not really going to location one unless you are genuinely feeling not a part of that spaciousness
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loc1
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depending on how the transition to fundamental wellbeing affected their underlying motivations
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loc1
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layer four is virtually impossible to get to
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lay4
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do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one
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lay1
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layer three because theres the sense of truth
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lay3
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when temporary there are finders who can intentionally bring it about and others who just have it happen to them from time to time regardless of how it occurs in this state the world seems to be moving through them and not the other way around generally this occurs at location 4 and beyond
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loc4
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fundamental okayness with the first glimpses of nonduality
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loc2
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youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere
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loc3
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there is a deep quality of stillness at layer 3 it is more still than any preceding layer and the stillness or silence feels like it pervades and encompasses everythingall objects and all experience
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loc3lay3
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you may opt for a different technique like not necessarily sentence completion you could do that you could also just focus on the sense in the body like where the conditioning is some sort of sensation associated with it or just generally paying attention to your your inner experience um yeah and whatever way you you know once youve identified a piece of conditioning in the system you can just shift layers or locations and then see what experience of it remains um and that can be really helpful it can be very it can give a lot of sort of insight into what that conditioning is and what it produces in the system um like yeah can give you examples but it would be a maybe a long story but it can also show you its boundaries because at some point youre going to deepen beyond that conditioning so maybe by the time youre in location three
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loc3
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can feel very energized
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lay3
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thats probably not going to be location three that youre looking mostly in that situation in all likelihood at location two
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loc2
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once location 4 or beyond is reached these finders are typically left alone to deepen and explore their new location
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loc5+
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nondual perception
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loc2
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theres no emotionally sort of inclined layer three version of location four
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loc4
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even if you just have a sense while youre driving that its all the divine and its all happening by itself and its the divine driving that may not be the type of union were describing in location three
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loc3
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was noticing like i was kind of freely shifting between duality and nonduality
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loc2
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sparkly
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loc5+
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it feels very still and also very spacious
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lay2
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i was on the cusp of getting into an accident and i had to concentrate my energy really quickly and this happens when im when the body is is moving through space often when im driving or when im walking um or when im floating in water the dimensionality just well there are different experiences sometimes it stretches sometimes it just goes flat and i cant figure out where i am i cant triangulate a physical location and when that happens when im driving its really unnerving it happened it happened this weekend i went to visit my daughter at her boarding school and she was in the vehicle with me along with two of her friends and that flattening stretching distending started and so you know i remember focusing all of my energy on
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loc3
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merging implies two that are merging from one
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loc3
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and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness
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lay2
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universal i would say that there was yeah that yeah that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned
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loc1lay3
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feeling of union or merger with the divine or an allpervasive consciousness in location three may be divine or panpsychic with dual perception returning
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loc3lay1
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dont let your life become a train wreck
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loc4
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transcendent freedom
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loc4
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default way that fundamental wellbeing
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tfw
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people have all these different forms of accessing that information and working with it um especially in the case where people are sensitive to that type of thing um but thats all showing up within that all containing spaciousness and so it doesnt sound like theres you know theres also doesnt nothing you describe sounds like a shift of your sense of self into say the mind or into any of the stuff thats showing up in that spaciousness that youre working with
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lay2
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the evidence is hard to tease out because generally when a stimulus or memory jogger is used requested events can be recalled
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loc4
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there is a sense of being in union with this allpervading field or presence that is without limits flowing through and as everything
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loc3lay3
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when arising theres a mix of positive and negative thoughts in the forefront of my experience
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loc1lay4
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their levels of fear anxiety stress worry and
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loc1
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so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff
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lay3
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location 3 participants reported the experience
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loc3
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beingness
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lay3
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divine being that is pervading everything is everything
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loc3
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paradox for people
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loc2lay1
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do feel like there still is fullness
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lay3
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so that location eight nine seems to um its almost like at that point that deeper layer um really becomes very visible or dominant
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loc5+
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theres just this senseless or present awareness which is deep in layer three
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lay3
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consciousness and awareness
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lay3
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you said you had no selfreferential thoughts and also a sense of like no reason for the thoughts to appear so thats also a degree of disassociation from layer one thats
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lay1
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location 2 finders experience a further reduction in their narrativeself related thoughts and in the emotional content of most of the ones that remain
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loc2
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its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing
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lay2
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layer three is prominent with fluidity to layers one and two
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lay3
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very intense form of nonduality
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loc2
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deep into layer 3 it will feel as though the divine or panpsychist presence is the substance of everything but initially it feels more like an essence or presence infusing everything
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loc3lay3
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the losing of that illusion nothing is gained
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lay4
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the architecture in location 1 layer 4 serves as a testament to humanitys reach for the divine structures that aspire to touch the infinite
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loc1lay4
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i have so much energy
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loc4lay3
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a lot of beauty everywhere i dont experience a center the aliveness energy is everything
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loc2
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location three direction
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loc3
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there is no longer any sense of an essence pervading everything like in layer 3 there is nothing arising from or within it it has no content and no distinctionsthere is only existence itself which is complete and total as this moment
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loc2lay4
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so certainly sounds like location one
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loc1
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if you really are if you say to someone who experienced that hey can you still you know find that in this composite flat experience you know its not that they cant necessarily find it its just its no longer something thats dominant in your the foreground of your perception that youre noticing like you would be you know at an earlier location that deep into that layer when that layer is more in the foreground and all of that
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loc3
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feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind
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lay2
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it appears as if the previous sense of self was nothing more than a story thats no longer relevant now the narrativeself and the way it colored the world both seem gone or at least significantly reduced
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loc2
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places where people need the most help
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loc4
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a new form of humor begins to emerge
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loc1
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memory is definitely worse at this point
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loc4lay1
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music in location 1 layer 4 transcends sound becoming a medium for the expression of the inexpressible harmonies of the heart and soul
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loc1lay4
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crowded
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lay3
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maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three
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lay3
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i feel like i have pretty good access to layer one when i work
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lay1
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location 3 finders have been freed from a considerable amount of their psychological conditioning and negative emotions
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loc3
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it involved continued lack of agency
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loc4
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reasonably calm and present
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loc3lay2
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single positive emotion that divine or panpsychist merging
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loc3
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location 4 finders feeling more at ease in communicating across a wide variety of people the difference is one of degree
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loc4
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thats my only experience of layer two
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lay2
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