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people are divinity
loc3
shallower form of a similar
loc4
you know whats interesting is it feels it feels like this might sound kind of weird it feels full on this side and it feels spacious on this side and it feels um
lay3
in location three theres a soul in location for the notion that theres a soul is just crazy you know its like wow what a delusion that is
loc3
there are moments when i tend to sit out on my lookout and i tend to sing a lot and i just love singing and just creating that energy
lay3
spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back
lay2
we like to use a perceptual test for nonduality
loc2
its more like that the way you describe layer four when its experienced from layer three is being like this sense of a deep mystery behind it all and you know its like my mind cant grasp it and but i sense it
lay4
bouncing light
nfw
panpsychist
nfw
theyre not associated with emotion
loc4
i feel it pulls me out honestly fundamental wellbeing
nfw
i love you
loc3
two would be you know vast spacious emptiness and i do experience vastness you know if i close my eyes and just go inside thats something ive felt for decades but i dont know the yeah im just confused about presence versus the presence of fullness versus emptiness i dont experience a lot of contrast so when im in my full heart space i dont sense that theres so much greater presence than when i feel like im in a more emotionally neutral or emotionally absent space
lay2
regarding the layer three experiences what youve described thus far is primarily affect so its like emotion related to what can be related to layer three particularly if its like very impersonal forms of love joy compassion um those types of experiences
lay3
it sounds like your your sense of self is really centered in layer three
lay3
a lot of deconditioning can happen at location three so thats a bit of a magical deconditioning spot for sure
loc3
i heard sounds when i was seeing light so some forms of light and beeping light like on and off light
nfw
all pervading sense of consciousness
loc3
whole sort of shift of orientation
loc2lay3
you know its like pulling a piece of the foundation out of that whole habit system that learned to do something whether it was moving an arm or taste or whatever else its a bit like sort of pulling a pin out of the foundation and then everything kind of gets scrambled and it might have to be relearned now thats an extreme case theyre often very short you know people just glitch right through them and theyre like oh that was weird and things are fine now um so anything along those lines that you can remember
loc5+
yes if youre more rooted in layer three
lay3
so as you continue to work in with and sink into stillness and just trying to get to the sort of the maximum of that that is possible stillness silence
lay3
it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it
loc5+
its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really
lay3
maybe primary silence and presence would be the two
lay3
either location one with some shallow access to layer two
loc1lay2
they acclimatize more quality or dimensionality kind of is discernible so something like the qualities of layer three
loc3lay3
divinity
loc3
so youre saying too because im you know youve watched some of these and youve seen the perceptual thing and youve identified presumably that there is no looker and no listener
loc2
probably not really going to location one unless you are genuinely feeling not a part of that spaciousness
loc1
depending on how the transition to fundamental wellbeing affected their underlying motivations
loc1
layer four is virtually impossible to get to
lay4
do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one
lay1
layer three because theres the sense of truth
lay3
when temporary there are finders who can intentionally bring it about and others who just have it happen to them from time to time regardless of how it occurs in this state the world seems to be moving through them and not the other way around generally this occurs at location 4 and beyond
loc4
fundamental okayness with the first glimpses of nonduality
loc2
youre in location three i mean like you know is it bad to be more generous in a therapeutic environment you know with yourself or you know with your caring or whatever else no its not so thats fine you have one of those professions where you can be anywhere
loc3
there is a deep quality of stillness at layer 3 it is more still than any preceding layer and the stillness or silence feels like it pervades and encompasses everythingall objects and all experience
loc3lay3
you may opt for a different technique like not necessarily sentence completion you could do that you could also just focus on the sense in the body like where the conditioning is some sort of sensation associated with it or just generally paying attention to your your inner experience um yeah and whatever way you you know once youve identified a piece of conditioning in the system you can just shift layers or locations and then see what experience of it remains um and that can be really helpful it can be very it can give a lot of sort of insight into what that conditioning is and what it produces in the system um like yeah can give you examples but it would be a maybe a long story but it can also show you its boundaries because at some point youre going to deepen beyond that conditioning so maybe by the time youre in location three
loc3
can feel very energized
lay3
thats probably not going to be location three that youre looking mostly in that situation in all likelihood at location two
loc2
once location 4 or beyond is reached these finders are typically left alone to deepen and explore their new location
loc5+
nondual perception
loc2
theres no emotionally sort of inclined layer three version of location four
loc4
even if you just have a sense while youre driving that its all the divine and its all happening by itself and its the divine driving that may not be the type of union were describing in location three
loc3
was noticing like i was kind of freely shifting between duality and nonduality
loc2
sparkly
loc5+
it feels very still and also very spacious
lay2
i was on the cusp of getting into an accident and i had to concentrate my energy really quickly and this happens when im when the body is is moving through space often when im driving or when im walking um or when im floating in water the dimensionality just well there are different experiences sometimes it stretches sometimes it just goes flat and i cant figure out where i am i cant triangulate a physical location and when that happens when im driving its really unnerving it happened it happened this weekend i went to visit my daughter at her boarding school and she was in the vehicle with me along with two of her friends and that flattening stretching distending started and so you know i remember focusing all of my energy on
loc3
merging implies two that are merging from one
loc3
and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness
lay2
universal i would say that there was yeah that yeah that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned
loc1lay3
feeling of union or merger with the divine or an allpervasive consciousness in location three may be divine or panpsychic with dual perception returning
loc3lay1
dont let your life become a train wreck
loc4
transcendent freedom
loc4
default way that fundamental wellbeing
tfw
people have all these different forms of accessing that information and working with it um especially in the case where people are sensitive to that type of thing um but thats all showing up within that all containing spaciousness and so it doesnt sound like theres you know theres also doesnt nothing you describe sounds like a shift of your sense of self into say the mind or into any of the stuff thats showing up in that spaciousness that youre working with
lay2
the evidence is hard to tease out because generally when a stimulus or memory jogger is used requested events can be recalled
loc4
there is a sense of being in union with this allpervading field or presence that is without limits flowing through and as everything
loc3lay3
when arising theres a mix of positive and negative thoughts in the forefront of my experience
loc1lay4
their levels of fear anxiety stress worry and
loc1
so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff
lay3
location 3 participants reported the experience
loc3
beingness
lay3
divine being that is pervading everything is everything
loc3
paradox for people
loc2lay1
do feel like there still is fullness
lay3
so that location eight nine seems to um its almost like at that point that deeper layer um really becomes very visible or dominant
loc5+
theres just this senseless or present awareness which is deep in layer three
lay3
consciousness and awareness
lay3
you said you had no selfreferential thoughts and also a sense of like no reason for the thoughts to appear so thats also a degree of disassociation from layer one thats
lay1
location 2 finders experience a further reduction in their narrativeself related thoughts and in the emotional content of most of the ones that remain
loc2
its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing
lay2
layer three is prominent with fluidity to layers one and two
lay3
very intense form of nonduality
loc2
deep into layer 3 it will feel as though the divine or panpsychist presence is the substance of everything but initially it feels more like an essence or presence infusing everything
loc3lay3
the losing of that illusion nothing is gained
lay4
the architecture in location 1 layer 4 serves as a testament to humanitys reach for the divine structures that aspire to touch the infinite
loc1lay4
i have so much energy
loc4lay3
a lot of beauty everywhere i dont experience a center the aliveness energy is everything
loc2
location three direction
loc3
there is no longer any sense of an essence pervading everything like in layer 3 there is nothing arising from or within it it has no content and no distinctionsthere is only existence itself which is complete and total as this moment
loc2lay4
so certainly sounds like location one
loc1
if you really are if you say to someone who experienced that hey can you still you know find that in this composite flat experience you know its not that they cant necessarily find it its just its no longer something thats dominant in your the foreground of your perception that youre noticing like you would be you know at an earlier location that deep into that layer when that layer is more in the foreground and all of that
loc3
feeling increasingly comfortable with being spaciousness instead of being a body mind
lay2
it appears as if the previous sense of self was nothing more than a story thats no longer relevant now the narrativeself and the way it colored the world both seem gone or at least significantly reduced
loc2
places where people need the most help
loc4
a new form of humor begins to emerge
loc1
memory is definitely worse at this point
loc4lay1
music in location 1 layer 4 transcends sound becoming a medium for the expression of the inexpressible harmonies of the heart and soul
loc1lay4
crowded
lay3
maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three
lay3
i feel like i have pretty good access to layer one when i work
lay1
location 3 finders have been freed from a considerable amount of their psychological conditioning and negative emotions
loc3
it involved continued lack of agency
loc4
reasonably calm and present
loc3lay2
single positive emotion that divine or panpsychist merging
loc3
location 4 finders feeling more at ease in communicating across a wide variety of people the difference is one of degree
loc4
thats my only experience of layer two
lay2