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environment	loc1
something that unfolds	loc4
there is awareness and things are arising	loc2lay2
i guess it was or the or five plus i guess you want to do	loc5+
like this is more important its saying your attention must stay on layer one	lay1
so i think you are getting youre at least getting a shift into the sort of combination of spacious emptiness and you know fullness and presence type of thing	lay2
i dont think youre going to have any issue being a highly experienced divorce attorney in location three	loc3
access to layer two	lay2
scanning my body	nfw
i think the anxiety is kind of a negative emotion that invades the emotionlessness also some in trying to figure this all out im interested in knowing to what degree this is influenced by trauma whether its avoidant attachment style it feels like a lot of this stuff is vulnerable to kind of pre trans fantasies so is this transcendence or is this just trauma you know am i am i checking out in a dissociative trauma induced avoidant attachment space or am i spread out across the universe how are they the same how are they the different different my own explorations of trauma is i hear from people that are close to me notably my wife that she thinks that i have lots of trauma in my system but when i go look for it or try to treat it i cant find it you know i can do emdr till the cows come home and it doesnt touch it which tells me well is it really trauma or not so you know im very confused about all of this so i just wanted to inject that into this space to	loc4
sunsets in location 1 layer 4 paint the sky not just with color but with the promise of renewal and the peace of the coming night	loc1lay4
layer 4 feels like absolute irreducible reality in which there is no state or condition nor any existent thing to which a state or condition could pertain	loc4lay4
doesnt seem correct	loc1
yeah it could be if you feel that theres a sense of something you know in your head or behind your eyes thats looking out and stuff feels like its out there rather than it all just being one field of experience thats just youre just showing up um that would be more like location one	loc1
however when asked to describe the details of their firstperson experience differences between them emerge even individuals who have studied and practiced their religion or spiritual system together in the same place for decades can arrive at different versions of fundamental wellbeing sometimes these variations can be more in sync with individuals outside of their tradition than those within it think of it this way there might be only a handful of people within a given tradition who experience location 4	loc4
if a finder does work at restoring some perception of layer 3 it can often appear extremely intense energetically at first	loc4lay3
you know youve had experiences that are and nonduality and all of that	tfwp
you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two	lay2
so just just put it off for a little bit the location free stuff even if its for like a day or two or a week or whatever it is	loc3
expanding in all directions	loc2lay2
deeper into layer 4 in later locations the sense of unfolding diminishes until everything feels instantaneous and total	loc4lay4
doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer	lay3
no agency no emotion no divine	loc4
fullness presence	lay3
i am hoping so much to be deeper in fundamental being that im trying to daydream into it	tfw
im in layer two and im able to access layer one	lay2
location1 the sense of	loc1
it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state	lay2
think of spaciousness all the time	lay2
seeing transparent shapes	nfw
it is possible that less detail or fewer memories are being stored	loc4
we do recommend that people go back and forth between 4 and 5 a lot to kind of build a bridge back so that they can have fluidity back to those earlier locations	loc5+
fear there because theres emotion there and emotion is	loc2
not layer one	loc2lay1
it is also known that this agency is its a false sense of agency in the system because its coming from from a mysterious it feels kind of unknowable	loc3
flatness	lay4
dual	lay4
by the time someone reaches location 2 a change in sense of self is very noticeable typically involving a dramatic reduction in or elimination of the conceptual narrativebased sense of self this change relates in part to association with the qualities of layer 2 or deeper rather than with the personal sense of self that is produced at layer 1	loc2lay1
basically you know some people systems inclined towards it some people systems dont inclined towards it um but its sort of smack on you know location two layer three type of experience	loc2lay3
yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location two layer two	loc2lay2
have enough introspection at location four and later to be able to cleanly answer those questions	loc4
layer three feeling permeates through that um and i guess the very act of investigating it also shifts my experience of it in the moment	lay3
happiness	loc3
something connected with maybe a feeling of settling in	lay3
i definitely i definitely feel so when im one one thing thats shifted recently is that is that like in the last probably six months is that i used to whenever i would get bug reports i would react to them pretty negatively um sort of in a fear response kind of way like oh i fucked up and like im going to lose my job and you know not that i was really seriously entertaining that but just kind of like there was a gut feeling like that and um a while ago i noticed that if i just treated them as scientific investigations um that i could do i could do all of my debugging from layer two instead of from layer one and that was so much more pleasant and also so much more effective because im not wasting any time like oh this is going to be bad theres going to be you know like all of this like reflective thought about like you know whats going wrong and what the implications of this is gone like forget it dont worry about it just do the debugging and so yeah i mean but you know i also feel like i mean ive had experiences of layer three	lay3
there is no looker or listener in my head anymore	loc2
planning	lay1
nonsymbolic experience	tfwc
deconditioning environment	loc4lay2
the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self	lay3
you know its really sort of in a way using location two layer three in a very specific way	loc2lay3
zero interest in meaning or purpose	loc4lay1
in location 1 this layer will typically be experienced as everything just arising with a general sense of things arising as one but maintaining the perceptual duality of an observer subject here and everything arising there object	loc1lay2
because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body	lay2
it was the absence of triggers thats really what i noticed nothing would bother me anymore	loc4
later locations	loc5+
so no question in my mind you know that youre experiencing layer two spaciousness	lay2
so the reason i say mostly is because i have had deeper experiences of the nonduality so even the nonduality i feel now theres still because i have deeper experiences of it i dont know if probably deep deep location too because there was still a little agency or emotion or maybe just temporary elements of going further theres still my system just still sees that theres still that like within that nonduality theres still a duality	loc2
the ego or the annoying roommate in lay one is noisy busy and buzzing attaching to things like thinking emotion and strategizing	loc3lay1
spaciousness or im seeing this mistiness	lay2
sacredness or the divine	loc3
ones life circumstances assessing	lay1
you know how you describe layer two which is more like that field of nothingness the spaciousness	lay2
location 2 was the change in subject to object	loc2
location two layer two thing	loc2lay2
so theres been plenty of time for for a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning to happen even at layer one	lay1
thought is replaced by knowingness which is silent and selfevident	loc5+
i feel like youve been to location four in the past and that you came back from it for relationship reasons primarily in the documen	loc4
targeting the location two layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life	loc2lay3
doesnt prevent negative emotions from arising	loc1
i think maybe skip straight to the sense of fullness	lay3
emotional	loc3
layer two which is really you know that is the classical endpoint for so many systems and traditions that is identifying as the you know spacious empty presence of awareness um and feeling that you are that and are untouched by all experience and everything you describe is is really that kind of classical enlightenment in many systems	lay2
it would be around sort of the location two layer two type of attributes	loc2lay2
look for and find the sense that at the deepest	loc1
as long as you retain the ability to zoom in	lay3
and layer one	lay1
they can feel like a blessing is radiating out to everyone in their presence	loc3
because it feels it doesnt feel exactly like what i would call pure peace because sometimes i feel that too where its just you know inner peace and it doesnt feel like pure joy and it feels really good and and it feels in the family of happiness as far as my experience of emotions and what i term kind of the general family of happiness and good feelings and yeah just just just pleasurable and which is good so it seems to me like what you know quote unquote bliss is or should be it does have more im trying to like like right now it has more energy in it theres almost more it seems like theres more energy in it than really kind of just pure bliss	loc1lay2
location four it can be um like it can be harder for their system especially if theyve deepened there	loc4
so when i get triggered um so the sort of the triggers where im like pleading with reality to be different than it is that kind of trigger that um when its happening so when were at the house up in emerald hills one of the people that was there was talking about contracting around things and expanding outside of that which was a term that i hadnt really heard used before and that really kind of mapped well to what im doing right like when thats happening i feel like im just like shrink wrapped around whatever problem is happening and then yeah exactly and then the relief comes when i notice that im shrink wrapped around the problem which obviously is going to be happening from a perspective of layer two	loc1lay2
seeing you as this magical being	loc4lay3
approval seeking conversations	loc1
you could do that possibly maybe not maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up	lay3
location 4 finders report an even deeper sense of peace and wellbeing	loc4
i would say youre somewhere deeper in in location two layer three with that access to layer one	loc2lay3
imagining	lay1
deeply aware	lay1
fullness and whatnot of layer three	lay3
layer two is that spacious emptiness that all containing spaciousness and if youre really deeply rooted in it you feel that thats what you are	lay2
but didnt really have too much time to dig into that whole agency thing you might already be getting glimpses or have had glimpses of location four my guess is youll get temporary experiences of it doing this you know it wont just like be some jump over in you know tomorrow morning and some locking into location four so you can probably you know get some temporary experiences of it get some more experiences of it and start to get a feel for it and at least its more shallow form before it really sort of deepens and locks in	loc4
other stuff is sort of showing up in the nothingness	lay2
the fabric of community in location 1 layer 4 is strong woven from threads of trust support and mutual respect	loc1lay4
unfolding	loc4
pervasive	lay3
i can see the broadband	loc2lay3
nothingness always there	lay2
if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something	loc2lay3
location three layer three maybe you experience again that you feel like you have a soul kind of thing or something	loc3lay3
instead of action being experienced as the consequence of thought and intentionality it feels intrinsic to the unfolding itself and is silent and selfrevealing	loc4lay1

environment

loc1

something that unfolds

loc4

there is awareness and things are arising

loc2lay2

i guess it was or the or five plus i guess you want to do

loc5+

like this is more important its saying your attention must stay on layer one

lay1

so i think you are getting youre at least getting a shift into the sort of combination of spacious emptiness and you know fullness and presence type of thing

lay2

i dont think youre going to have any issue being a highly experienced divorce attorney in location three

loc3

access to layer two

lay2

scanning my body

nfw

i think the anxiety is kind of a negative emotion that invades the emotionlessness also some in trying to figure this all out im interested in knowing to what degree this is influenced by trauma whether its avoidant attachment style it feels like a lot of this stuff is vulnerable to kind of pre trans fantasies so is this transcendence or is this just trauma you know am i am i checking out in a dissociative trauma induced avoidant attachment space or am i spread out across the universe how are they the same how are they the different different my own explorations of trauma is i hear from people that are close to me notably my wife that she thinks that i have lots of trauma in my system but when i go look for it or try to treat it i cant find it you know i can do emdr till the cows come home and it doesnt touch it which tells me well is it really trauma or not so you know im very confused about all of this so i just wanted to inject that into this space to

loc4

sunsets in location 1 layer 4 paint the sky not just with color but with the promise of renewal and the peace of the coming night

loc1lay4

layer 4 feels like absolute irreducible reality in which there is no state or condition nor any existent thing to which a state or condition could pertain

loc4lay4

doesnt seem correct

loc1

yeah it could be if you feel that theres a sense of something you know in your head or behind your eyes thats looking out and stuff feels like its out there rather than it all just being one field of experience thats just youre just showing up um that would be more like location one

loc1

however when asked to describe the details of their firstperson experience differences between them emerge even individuals who have studied and practiced their religion or spiritual system together in the same place for decades can arrive at different versions of fundamental wellbeing sometimes these variations can be more in sync with individuals outside of their tradition than those within it think of it this way there might be only a handful of people within a given tradition who experience location 4

loc4

if a finder does work at restoring some perception of layer 3 it can often appear extremely intense energetically at first

loc4lay3

you know youve had experiences that are and nonduality and all of that

tfwp

you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two

lay2

so just just put it off for a little bit the location free stuff even if its for like a day or two or a week or whatever it is

loc3

expanding in all directions

loc2lay2

deeper into layer 4 in later locations the sense of unfolding diminishes until everything feels instantaneous and total

loc4lay4

doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer

lay3

no agency no emotion no divine

loc4

fullness presence

lay3

i am hoping so much to be deeper in fundamental being that im trying to daydream into it

tfw

im in layer two and im able to access layer one

lay2

location1 the sense of

loc1

it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state

lay2

think of spaciousness all the time

lay2

seeing transparent shapes

nfw

it is possible that less detail or fewer memories are being stored

loc4

we do recommend that people go back and forth between 4 and 5 a lot to kind of build a bridge back so that they can have fluidity back to those earlier locations

loc5+

fear there because theres emotion there and emotion is

loc2

not layer one

loc2lay1

it is also known that this agency is its a false sense of agency in the system because its coming from from a mysterious it feels kind of unknowable

loc3

flatness

lay4

dual

lay4

by the time someone reaches location 2 a change in sense of self is very noticeable typically involving a dramatic reduction in or elimination of the conceptual narrativebased sense of self this change relates in part to association with the qualities of layer 2 or deeper rather than with the personal sense of self that is produced at layer 1

loc2lay1

basically you know some people systems inclined towards it some people systems dont inclined towards it um but its sort of smack on you know location two layer three type of experience

loc2lay3

yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location two layer two

loc2lay2

have enough introspection at location four and later to be able to cleanly answer those questions

loc4

layer three feeling permeates through that um and i guess the very act of investigating it also shifts my experience of it in the moment

lay3

happiness

loc3

something connected with maybe a feeling of settling in

lay3

i definitely i definitely feel so when im one one thing thats shifted recently is that is that like in the last probably six months is that i used to whenever i would get bug reports i would react to them pretty negatively um sort of in a fear response kind of way like oh i fucked up and like im going to lose my job and you know not that i was really seriously entertaining that but just kind of like there was a gut feeling like that and um a while ago i noticed that if i just treated them as scientific investigations um that i could do i could do all of my debugging from layer two instead of from layer one and that was so much more pleasant and also so much more effective because im not wasting any time like oh this is going to be bad theres going to be you know like all of this like reflective thought about like you know whats going wrong and what the implications of this is gone like forget it dont worry about it just do the debugging and so yeah i mean but you know i also feel like i mean ive had experiences of layer three

lay3

there is no looker or listener in my head anymore

loc2

planning

lay1

nonsymbolic experience

tfwc

deconditioning environment

loc4lay2

the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self

lay3

you know its really sort of in a way using location two layer three in a very specific way

loc2lay3

zero interest in meaning or purpose

loc4lay1

in location 1 this layer will typically be experienced as everything just arising with a general sense of things arising as one but maintaining the perceptual duality of an observer subject here and everything arising there object

loc1lay2

because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body

lay2

it was the absence of triggers thats really what i noticed nothing would bother me anymore

loc4

later locations

loc5+

so no question in my mind you know that youre experiencing layer two spaciousness

lay2

so the reason i say mostly is because i have had deeper experiences of the nonduality so even the nonduality i feel now theres still because i have deeper experiences of it i dont know if probably deep deep location too because there was still a little agency or emotion or maybe just temporary elements of going further theres still my system just still sees that theres still that like within that nonduality theres still a duality

loc2

the ego or the annoying roommate in lay one is noisy busy and buzzing attaching to things like thinking emotion and strategizing

loc3lay1

spaciousness or im seeing this mistiness

lay2

sacredness or the divine

loc3

ones life circumstances assessing

lay1

you know how you describe layer two which is more like that field of nothingness the spaciousness

lay2

location 2 was the change in subject to object

loc2

location two layer two thing

loc2lay2

so theres been plenty of time for for a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning to happen even at layer one

lay1

thought is replaced by knowingness which is silent and selfevident

loc5+

i feel like youve been to location four in the past and that you came back from it for relationship reasons primarily in the documen

loc4

targeting the location two layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life

loc2lay3

doesnt prevent negative emotions from arising

loc1

i think maybe skip straight to the sense of fullness

lay3

emotional

loc3

layer two which is really you know that is the classical endpoint for so many systems and traditions that is identifying as the you know spacious empty presence of awareness um and feeling that you are that and are untouched by all experience and everything you describe is is really that kind of classical enlightenment in many systems

lay2

it would be around sort of the location two layer two type of attributes

loc2lay2

look for and find the sense that at the deepest

loc1

as long as you retain the ability to zoom in

lay3

and layer one

lay1

they can feel like a blessing is radiating out to everyone in their presence

loc3

because it feels it doesnt feel exactly like what i would call pure peace because sometimes i feel that too where its just you know inner peace and it doesnt feel like pure joy and it feels really good and and it feels in the family of happiness as far as my experience of emotions and what i term kind of the general family of happiness and good feelings and yeah just just just pleasurable and which is good so it seems to me like what you know quote unquote bliss is or should be it does have more im trying to like like right now it has more energy in it theres almost more it seems like theres more energy in it than really kind of just pure bliss

loc1lay2

location four it can be um like it can be harder for their system especially if theyve deepened there

loc4

so when i get triggered um so the sort of the triggers where im like pleading with reality to be different than it is that kind of trigger that um when its happening so when were at the house up in emerald hills one of the people that was there was talking about contracting around things and expanding outside of that which was a term that i hadnt really heard used before and that really kind of mapped well to what im doing right like when thats happening i feel like im just like shrink wrapped around whatever problem is happening and then yeah exactly and then the relief comes when i notice that im shrink wrapped around the problem which obviously is going to be happening from a perspective of layer two

loc1lay2

seeing you as this magical being

loc4lay3

approval seeking conversations

loc1

you could do that possibly maybe not maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up

lay3

location 4 finders report an even deeper sense of peace and wellbeing

loc4

i would say youre somewhere deeper in in location two layer three with that access to layer one

loc2lay3

imagining

lay1

deeply aware

lay1

fullness and whatnot of layer three

lay3

layer two is that spacious emptiness that all containing spaciousness and if youre really deeply rooted in it you feel that thats what you are

lay2

but didnt really have too much time to dig into that whole agency thing you might already be getting glimpses or have had glimpses of location four my guess is youll get temporary experiences of it doing this you know it wont just like be some jump over in you know tomorrow morning and some locking into location four so you can probably you know get some temporary experiences of it get some more experiences of it and start to get a feel for it and at least its more shallow form before it really sort of deepens and locks in

loc4

other stuff is sort of showing up in the nothingness

lay2

the fabric of community in location 1 layer 4 is strong woven from threads of trust support and mutual respect

loc1lay4

unfolding

loc4

pervasive

lay3

i can see the broadband

loc2lay3

nothingness always there

lay2

if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something

loc2lay3

location three layer three maybe you experience again that you feel like you have a soul kind of thing or something

loc3lay3

instead of action being experienced as the consequence of thought and intentionality it feels intrinsic to the unfolding itself and is silent and selfrevealing

loc4lay1