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` * I have reverted your ``edits`` to the article about Georgia O'Keeffe. The things you write, don't belong in any article, certainly not at Wikipedia. Stop doing this, think for a moment about your childish behaviour. Going on like this will certainly get you blocked! `
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Holderca, with regards to the Dennis comment, I think a lot of people in Navarre Beach and St. Marks would strongly disagree with you on that. An estimated $5 billion in damage in Florida alone is far from minimal damage in my book.
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:liableous? Not sure what that is. But you should certainly look at FilePile anyway. The logo image has been vandalised. Most of the edits to the main page are disingenuous (see FilePile talk). Also, someone is vandalising the acronym FP (where I first came across the FilePile article, after Gozar's addition of Force Publique). I expect it's part of some game the people at FilePile are playing -
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:Indeed. Anonymous editors are replacing images in order to disrupt the article. -
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I've forwarded this section as currently writen to the Senate History office to ask if we've got it wrong, since this is a very obscure point and they would be authorative. Can I ask you to hold off edits till we get a responce.
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== Pig Fenian == Nice wrist action boys, keep it up.
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`Surely it's incorrect to say that ``puppy mill is a pejorative term (etc)``? After all, isn't ``puppy mill`` a specific term referring to the type of illegitimate operation that keeps animals in inappropriate, often cruel conditions and exploits them and those who buy them for money? `
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Good proposal if you've got material to write such a section with,from your knowledge of his critics. It means his work gets reviewed in a pro and con way. As an ideas man you'd expect him to favour that!
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` :Indaking/Unike, your behavior is unacceptable here. First of all, there is no such thing as ``your`` article, and demanding that people leave your work alone is against the whole idea of Wikipedia. Further, I have made a good faith effort to improve the article so it better conforms to Wikipedia style. The text you posted in the original creation of the article was lifted in whole from the Web it was not written by you, and you made no attempt to rewrite it. It was plagiarism, and that isn't allowed. Next, the text itself was not NPOV. As I have stated earlier, it was written with a promotional tone. If you can't understand that, I will explain it to you. Wikipedia is not here to promote a show, merely to document it. Now, evidently, you're taking this personally and making attacks (sometimes by using another self-admitted identity, and sometimes without being logged in). I'd like to see this resolved amicably, but if you can't or won't, I will ask for others to help resolve this. In short, stop acting immature, treat others with respect, and learn to edit according to WP conventions. `
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` :Indaking/Unike, your behavior is unacceptable here. First of all, there is no such thing as ``your`` article, and demanding that people leave your work alone is against the whole idea of Wikipedia. Further, I have made a good faith effort to improve the article so it better conforms to Wikipedia style. The text you posted in the original creation of the article was lifted in whole from the Web it was not written by you, and you made no attempt to rewrite it. It was plagiarism, and that isn't allowed. Next, the text itself was not NPOV. As I have stated earlier, it was written with a promotional tone. If you can't understand that, I will explain it to you. Wikipedia is not here to promote a show, merely to document it. Now, evidently, you're taking this personally and making attacks (sometimes by using another self-admitted identity, and sometimes without being logged in). I'd like to see this resolved amicably, but if you can't or won't, I will ask for others to help resolve this. In short, stop acting immature, treat others with respect, and learn to edit according to WP conventions. `
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I've just reinstated SF's link because someone else had reinstated AFF's. I wouldn't have done it unilaterally otherwise. The logic he has reinstated AFF's on is identical to what mine used to be in reinstating SF during the edit war. It's both or neither.
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` == Sock Puppet policy == The procedure for tagging pages as sock puppets explicitly states that the tag be placed on the user's page. Just because a user says ``Don't make changes to this page``, that doesn't change the procedure. I have to assume that you, too, are Imdaking, because no one else would revert the sock puppet tag as quickly as you did. `
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== Sock puppets == : Paul, Jtkiefer really is not a sockpuppet. He's a well-established Wikipedia editor. I think you're beginning to overreact to this Imdaking business. :: That's a little hard to believe. Imdaking and Unike are, by self-admission, sock puppets. When I tagged those pages as such, IMMMEDIATELY Chriss P. and Jtkiefer started removing the tages, it only took a minute or two. Can you explain this?
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== Please help with a dispute == User Imdaking has been ganging up on me with other users. He admits on his user page that Unike is his AKA. I tagged both pages as sock puppets. He has been using Unike as a sock puppet to revert pages, and attack and annoy me. One moment, he says it's an old account, then next moment he's using that account. I'm getting fed up. I also suspect Chriss P. and others to be sock puppets of the same account. Can you please help me take care of this, as several users are not threatening me on my own talk page, and some of them are doing it anonymously.
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` == My response == I would like Jtkiefer to show me where I have edited the page of FreplySpang. I'd also like to know how it can be considered vandalism, by tagging the user pages of Imdaking, Unike, and Chriss P. when it is obvious they are sock puppets. Jtkiefer even warned Imdaking on his own page that he would be sockpuppeting if he continued to use both identities. My tagging of Jtkiefer's page was in good faith, because he/she reverted my tag, KNOWING the user was sockpuppeting how could I not assume it was the same person? SOMETHING STINKS HERE, FOLKS, and don't think I'm stupid enough not to see it. I'd like some answers, people. Ryan, I have sent you several messages by private e-mail. I hope to get substantive replies to my questions, including, ``who have I attacked?`` `
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` == To Guettard == Guettard, I would be happy to stand behind my statements to you on the Coulter talk page. Read the whole paragraph I was questioning your ability to contribute to the page in the spirit of NPOV. Here, I will quote YOU: ``Um, no - Al Franken is a partisan, Ann Counter is a nutcase. Slight difference. Every second word out of his mouth isn't a lie.`` Your words, Guettard. Is that the attitude of someone with NPOV? CAN YOU HONESTLY sit there and accuse me of incivility? I think anyone who reads my comments and yours can see who is being intellectually dishonest. I stand behind them. `
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` == Awaiting replies from Ryan and Jtkiefer == JT has invited me, on this page, to communicate. I have done so and am waiting for a reply, Ryan, by blocking me, left a page with a message telling me I can communicate with him by e-mail. I have done so and am waiting for a reply. I have a lot of questions about why I have been blocked, but Imdaking, who is obviously using two sock puppets Unike and Chriss P. has not been blocked. Imdaking has identified me on his page in a ``List of Annoying People.`` Are you people serious? `
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== To Ed Poor == I appreciate your attention to this dispute. Please note that I am NOT putting this matter to rest, as Jtkiefer attempted to indicate on your talk page. I am taking this up the ladder, and I will not be intimidated. I would like to discuss this with you after I have been unblocked. You can also communciate with my by private e-mail. Thanks for your assistance. Kind regards,
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:::: I'm using it no so much as a tool to validate, but to invalidate. —
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` :Okay, you are right Jeremy. I should not have done that. My sincere apologies! I thought too much about defending myself and my name and not about Wikipedia policy and the request to refrain from personal attacks. I was getting sick of all the personal attacks from all the time, where I never could say anything back. Now I got a little angry and wanted to say something back to him (actually lowering myself to his level), should have thought this over... I don't like it, but this time I deserved this block. After that, I will refrain from talking with Peter Lee at all (unless he is willing to discuss the 'hot' issues about Genseiryu and WGKF, which I doubt!) and will be very summier in the summaries. I learned my lesson! BTW, thanks for restoring the articles everytime. The blocks on the IP addresses don't work however, since he uses a dynamic ip... What can be done about that? `
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` :P.S.: In your revert of the talk page of Peter Lee, you also reverted the message ``Genseiryu-Genseikan`` (). This was not really an attack but a simple question. However somewhat meant sarcastic, it's an honest question and I don't see any reason to delete this one??? (maybe the beginning of the text was somewhat controversial, if so I can rewrite it after the block)`
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, 25 August 2005 (UTC) ::::::::Oh I'll answer that, for the record. You started off this whole crisis by posting out of nowhere a personal attack on me (above), derived irrelevantly from outside Wikipedia - how the hell else do you expect mre to react? - and by arguing from it that editorial decisions here should be made on a basis of character attack. You also gave my name without my consent to. As applies between all of us, I'm entitled to hold the rest of you not to react on a basis of personal prejudice. 10:49
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, 25 August 2005 (UTC) Disagreement is when you talk about the content of what is written, regardless of its source. Prejudice is when you personalise it. 12:11
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`:: I don't know about that ``oily`` thing, but most sharks indeed stop their attack when they realize their prey isn't a fish, a zeal or whatever. That's why the majority of shark attack casualties die of their injuries, rather than being completly eaten. `
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` You have been blocked for two days for disruption, vandalism and massive use of sockpuppets. Please create one account and stick with that. _>|< `
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This ban should probably be removed. I noe have this IP address, as have other Internode users in the past. Yet none of us are person who actually commited the offences.
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` == Eli Siegel was an anti-racist in 1923 some background == Dear Wllmcw, Just to be absolutely clear, in case there is any doubt, I give more reasons to see that Eli Siegel's magazine essay ``The Equality of Man`` is an anti-racist work. The modern reader wouldn't be expected to know the background that was vivid in the the 1923 reader's mindthe reader for whom Mr. Siegel was writing. First, of course, he did not use the term racism in this essay because it didn't exist. ``The term ``racism``, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, emerged in the early 1930s as distinct from the ``theories of race`` which had existed for at least a hundred years before that.`` I do not believe it was necessary to use the term ``race`` in the essay eithera word much misused and which is almost impossible to define, even today. His readers knew what he meant. It is clear that Mr. Siegel was criticizing the racial theory of hereditary intelligence. He names five particular writersthe big names of the daywhose point of view the essay is a refutation ofa refutation solely by means of clear logic, blasting apart their fake arguments: :[Siegel wrote:] ``The world has always been carried on as if men were unequal....the Galtons, Nietzsches, McDougalls, Termans, and Menckens are the present enunciators of the theory...that to some men nature has seen fit to give so much more intelligence than to others, that these first are fit by birth to rule the second....This writing will aim to show that Men Are Equalin the clear and full meaning of the words.`` [The Modern Quarterly vol 1, no. 3, December 1923] People reading ``The Equality of Man`` in 1923 would know these Galton, Nietzsche, McDougall, Terman, and Mencken (and their followers) promulgated the racial theory of inferiority. Even Siegel's title ``The Equality of Man`` contrasts dramatically with Galton's most popular title, ``Hereditary Genius.`` Let's look at these five men one by one: 1. Galton. The readers of Siegel's article would know that Galton (Sir Francis Galton) was for racial INFERIORITY: ``One of the historical peaks of scientific racism was the establishment of eugenics. Francis Galton, who happened to be cousin to Darwin, is conventionally held responsible for the beginning of this scientific study of breeding and its improvement. In the chapter of his book Hereditary Genius - published in 1869 - entitled ``The Comparative Worth of Different Races,`` Galton uses a sort of grading scale to point out [the place of] each race in the classification system he used.... ``The works of these authors [Petty, Darwin, Galton] have been used to justify many atrocities, including slavery, colonization, and racial genocide during the period of the authors' lives to more recent violations of human rights and attempts to keep races 'pure' - i.e. Adolf Hitler's notion of the Final Solution and the master Aryan race.`` (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web1/hossain.html) 2. Terman. The readers of Siegel's article would know Lewis M. Terman, psychology professor at Stanford University, was for racial INFERIORITY. For example: :``Chorover credited Terman with 'injecting race into the IQ debate.' Terman claimed that mental deficiency is very common in Spanish-Indian and Mexican families...and also among Negros. He also warned that ``if we would preserve our state for a class of people worthy to possess it, we must prevent, as far as possible, the propagation of mental degenerates.`` (Lenny Lapon, URL: http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/truth/tr8murderers.html) :``The beginning of the IQ-testing movement overlapped with the eugenics movement — hugely popular in America and Europe among the ``better sort`` before Hitler gave it a bad name — which held that intelligence was mostly inherited and that people deficient in it should be discouraged from reproducing.`` (http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/other/iq.html) 3. McDougall. The readers of Siegel's article would know that William McDougall of Harvard University was a racist. McDougall was given the William James Chair of Psychology at Harvard University. However, :``McDougall was not well-received at Harvard, due to the racist nature of his views on eugenics and his opposition to behaviorism.`` (Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology. URL: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0005/ai_2699000543) 4. Nietzsche. The readers of Siegel's article would know that Friedrich Nietzsche was was for racial INFERIORITY. Nietzsche wrote, for example, :1. ``The negro represents an earlier phase of human development.`` [pp. 199-200](http://www.friesian.com/nietzsch.htm) :And 2. ``...Let us face facts: the people have triumphed or the slaves, the mob, the herd, whatever you wish to call them and if the Jews brought it about, then no nation ever had a more universal mission on earth. The lords are a thing of the past, and the ethics of the common man is completely triumphant. I don't deny that this triumph might be looked upon as a kind of blood poisoning, since it has resulted in a mingling of the races, but there can be no doubt that the intoxication has succeeded. The 'redemption' of the human race (from the lords, that is) is well under way; everything is rapidly becoming Judaized, or Christianized, or mob-ized the word makes no difference....`` [p.169-170] :[The Birth of Tragedy and The Genealogy of Morals, translated by Francis Golffing, Doubleday Anchor Books, 1956.] 5. Mencken.' The readers of Siegel's article would know that H.L. Mencken was for racial INFERIORITY. :``Mencken considered everyone inferior to his 'superior men.' But, he believed Jews and blacks to be most inferior of all.`` [Commentary: Mencken and the inferior man Posted by Mac Diva on April 03, 2004 11:49 AM (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/04/03/114957.php)] And this is some of what Mac Diva quotes Mencken as writingand this is what readers of Eli Siegel's refutation, ``The Equality of Man,`` would have had in their minds in 1923: :The negro, no matter how much he is educated, must remain, as a race, in a condition of subservience; that he must remain the inferior of the stronger and more intelligent white man so long as he retains racial differentiation. Therefore, the effort to educate him has awakened in his mind ambitions and aspirations which, in the very nature of things, must go unrealized, and so, while gaining nothing whatever materially, he has lost all his old contentment, peace of mind and happiness. And Mencken also wrote this: :The fact remains that the Southern whites have to deal with the actual Negroes before them, and not with a theoretical race of African kings. These actual Negroes show actual defects that are very real and very serious. The leaders of the race, engrossed by the almost unbearable injustices that it faces, are apt to forget them. :[Men versus the Man: A Correspondence between Robert Rives La Monte, Socialist, and H.L. Mencken, Individualist'' [1910] (http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/mencken/megaquotes.html)] Eli Siegel was against this horrible, ugly way of thinking, writing, talking, feeling, and even legislating from the very beginning. The U.S. eugenists, including these 5, were used by Hitler as models for his goal. It was racism. Siegel hated it. `
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` :Note from Please note that the user making the comment above (``Please do not make personal attacks``) is from IP address 69.111.121.197, the same address from which the following edits were made on the user page of Imdaking: ::ADDED COMMENT 13:08, 25 August 2005: ``Im not a sock puppet... Re-directed my old name (not in use) to this one`` ::DELETED SAME COMMENT 13:15, 25 August 2005.`
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THATS WHAT YOU DID BEFORE SHE WROTE A WORD ON THIS DEBATE. YOU REMOVED MY TEXTS 9 TIMES NOW, AND I REINSERT THEM AS MANY TIME. CEREAL KILLER IS INFORMED OF THIS AND IS FOLLOWING IT. ALL EVIDENCES AGAINST YOU ARE BEING COLLECTED ON THE INTERNET, AT THIS HOUR, WITH THE AIM TO ARREST YOU AT YOUR APPARTMENT FOR INFAMIE DISCRIMINATIONS MANIPULATION AND CENSORSHIP OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, ATTACKS TO PERSONS PRIVATE LIFE, COMPUTER HACKING, AND AGGRAVATING FORDGERY OF EVIDENCES. I HAVE BUILD AN INTERNATIONAL NETWORK AGAINST YOU OF ALL THE PEOPLE WICH WORDS YOU ONCE ABUSED OF, AND BELIEVE ME THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LET IT PASS. SOPHIE.
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HOW A MEMBER OF THE NEONAZIST PARTI COULD BE ASHAME OF IT? TOGETHER WITH TALKS ABOUT THE SUPERIOR RACE AND NIETZSCHE PROSA? IF IT ISN'T TRUE, WHY DO YOU BOTHER AT ALL?..... SOPHIE
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ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU, TO BANISH YOU FOR EVER.
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`-A VERY DISTURBING STATEMENT Well, I don't know if you really mean to give a full picture of the case, but we could include this one: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/reich1.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/ Who are the web site of Jean-Pierre Voyer, a kind of model person for mister Messager/YBM, and who spred a quiet special form for ideologie, which goal is to play with words and how to defend and argue about things who do not exist, how to play with words and ``fuck others`` as phrased on his web site, and essentialy, how to display a superior attitude in order to effectively use the communication on internet to their full interest, by using the circumstances frame of the dialogues. This include displaying lies as being facts with such a forcefullness as to convince others. It is called: postsituationnisme, ideologie who is followed by YBM, together with a sympathie to the 3rd reich, and a, by some, called pseudo-Hégelianism. YBM run his forum where he defend the man and his positions, with as much furore as he dispells those of Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. You will found in it concepts as the Superior Race, versus the inferior race, and different creativs ways to talk the technics and language of publicity into a way of ``mass communication`` and a weapon to convince anyone of anything. I am sure that this angle will bring a certain shade of light where it was upmost needed, and will constitute the missing piece of the puzzle. I hope you will excuse my very late assertion or révélation about this subject, but I was myself only made aware of it for a very short time ago, together with the fact that this Voyer and YBM have harrassed people before, writers too, for books who had nothing to do with science, but nevertheless constituted those 2 mens lifes mening for 2 years. Actually they stopped with their first victims at the end of 2002, beginning of 2003, to consacrate their cherish technics of manipulating the masses, and ideologies of diffamation on 2 other subjects, Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. No need to say that the 2 former victims are still paying for the vices of Voyer and Messager, and that their lifes and career have been destroyed. Why so much hate against people they didn't knew and had never met? They were only practicing, like serial killers start somewhere, in the shadow, and are only known for much more exposed actions. I consider this information for being central in the matter at hand, as all accusations will have fallen and nothing much will have come from the original and following J. Baez paper on the subject if it hadn't been for Messager and Voyers' questionnable work in the name of very questionnable motives, all accomplished to serve a completely useless ideology. I think that this will teach us all a lesson regarding objectivity and our hability to evaluate a given problem properly, and to be able to use our sense of sceptisisme ans sound judgement. On a more general way and even more central here, our power to distinguish between agreeing to a given opinion based on facts, and being manipulate in doing so for all the wrong reasons. This information compleete the picture and gave it its true mening, even if it is by showing how meningsless a huge part of this affair was. Sophie XAL - `
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Perhaps this should be moved to the page devoted to the album.
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`:The other admin you are thinking of could be ... Anyway, he is active on both the Dutch and English Wikipedia and he knows about the situation too! Hope I am helping out here... `
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` :That link you are looking for is now in the archive of ``Stemlokaal``: . Again, hope to be of a little help... `
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Got you. From this precedent, all AFF fellow-travellers must now go back to the AS page and operate to the rule that all personal moral comments on anyone else's site are irrelevant to the page's editing.
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:Scotland simply is not a country. If it is, show me your Scottish passport. Name a treaty to which Scotland is a party. Is Scotland a member of the United Nations? Sorry, but my comment was not racist.
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` :::Why are you asking here, since you are a member of FilePile? There's an interesting ``discuss`` thread you could ask this in. - `
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`Their next studio album proper, North Atlantic Drift was better While I agree with the statement, this isn't NPOV. Perhaps the writer meant to say ``North Atlantic Drift did better``, since the previous sentence explains about how the album didn't sell very well. `
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I can't believe that nobody has posted here!! My first girlfriend was from São Paolo she was French too!!
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` == FilePile update == Members of FilePile are continuing to deface the article, including adding made-up screenshots and . One of the screenshots has ``Xed eats Balls`` on it. FilePile users are making disingenuous edits (see my post here about it). In particular, they are claiming it doesn't exist. My reason for notability are here. I expect the new VfD will go the same way, ie loads of FilePile users, new users, & anonymous users voting for delete. - `
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` ==MEATPUPPETS!!== A discovery. From Wikipedia:Village pump ``If two people are behaving identically, and you have reason to believe they are at least implicitly colluding, you can consider them meatpuppets. Essentially this means they are all treated as one person for purposes of policy. I believe this existing policy would solve your dilemna.`` Right, Redwolf. My opponents' obvious collusion, before both blocks, proves them meatpuppets. Your answer?`
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It is implicit collusion (the other users' words) for a plural number of members to keep making the same revert, that they know there is a talk-dispute on. QED. and how did I bring on myself, that this whole crisis began with the improper posting of a personal attack on my character whose content was derived from lies outside Wikipedia, and a denial of my equal validity based on it?
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` No!You can't take logical answers to the angles you put on coexistence in Wikipedia, and you take all such answers as personal attacks. Indeed, by calling them ``vicious`` you have gone OTT to an extent I clearly never have. Before making a complaint, you would be due to itemise to the word everything you find vicious and enable me to answer both (i) the intent in whatever I was saying (ii) how to say the same site-relevant things in a way you won't feel as vicious. Also itemise to the word what ``behaviour`` there has been,that is not covered by my earlier answer that I have had to defend my character against the behaviour started towards me. If you don't know me outside Wikipedia, you have no basis to say ``It was an accurate description of your activities.`` It was irrelevant to Wikipedia, an outside dispute brought in here. `
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` :::I will modify the statement. Can we avoid words like ``rabidly``? I am very tired of over-heated rhetoric on this subject. `
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` *Since you, Joy, were there ``at the beginning`` so to speak, can you explain for me why there is a template for the Macedonia naming dispute, but not for the Chinese, Samoan, or New Guinean naming disputes, to name a few. It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that a well-organized clique dedicated to enforcing their viewpoint has subverted normal Wikipedia standards in this area. Is that right? Thanks for your time, `
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I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm asking for you to abide by and obey wikipedia policies as outlined on the website. If you can show me another applicable policy please do so, otherwise please do not put back comments that I have replied to and removed.
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::::Of course you don't, because you are I assume from the US? There is the popular belief that the US is the internet. While not true, there is also some merit to the argument, especially given that this is the english wikipedia and such accents don't exist in english. I suggest a straw poll.
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What did you say? I can't hear you over all the piping pipers!
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7>STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT
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5>STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT
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` == Corsi's ``apology`` for remarks on FR == This article states that Jerome Corsi ``apologized`` for comments he made, however, the apology itself is not quoted. I have left this wording for the moment, but I have also quoted Corsi's remarks directly remarks he made on-line at FR, as user jrlc. (These remarks can still be viewed.) His remark on FR could hardly be construed as an apology. I will attempt to find any quote Corsi made nationally (not on FR) and am happy to keep the word ``apologized`` if that is what he did. However, I may return and reword that sentence to more accurately reflect his comments. Simiarly, his comments were called racist, homophobic, etc. I have changed this to ``Some characterized the remarks as racist, homophobic, and anti-Catholic``, as the previous wording was clearly not NPOV, but attempted to characterize the comments without quoting them directly. Not a good practice. Thanks. `
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` :Well, after some searching, I found the quote: ``I don't stand by any of those comments and I apologize if they offended anybody,`` Corsi said. This was reported by Jennifer Kerr of the AP. `
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`:Thanks Splash! I will look it over and think about it carefully. I will not respond immediately, I will think it over first. Unfortunately I have a friend over for the weekend and after the weekend I am flying to Jo-burg for a couple of days. So if I won't be able to write a response before Sunday evening (28/8) I will do that after I come back on Thursday... Regards, `
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But you impeded me doing it. and in exactly what ways have I threatened you? A challenge to the validity of your actions is not a threat . bet if I went around accusing of threat everyone who challenged my actions,this crisis would be even worse. It cetainly doesn't sound open to block a member for making a VfD nomination you personally disagreed with.
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` Having read through the talk and related articles I'm bold but trepidatious. I think I have a perspective that may help bring some order to this article. I wandered in because I saw a note that said it needs some cleanup. From the Talk I can understand why few would want to touch it. I'm going to make some notes here because I need to put some ideas down to put my own mind in order. Given the debates I choose to place these notes here so that those who might edit my edits will have some idea of my reasoning. I have read and studied the subject of Northern European History for many years both academically and personally. I do not hold a degree in it, except if you count a minor in History. I note with interest that in the debate there are many who weigh in who are from Scandinavian countries and see that there is a different perspective on the subject, which I hadn't considered. Those cultural perspectives are of interest. My cultural perspective is that of a US citizen from the middle North of the United States. I am presently writing in Minnesota which means I live amongst many ethnic Swedes, Norwegians, a few Danes and some Finns. ``Viking`` in the English usages where I live (and the following statements have only my experience as witness) has the following definitions. 1) ``The Vikings`` noun, plural A) professional football team which gets to the Super Bowl periodically but never wins and wants to increase my taxes so they can have a new place to play, and B) the cultural group from which came the ``real first discoverer`` of America, that was the ``Dark Ages`` so there weren't really ``real`` countries back then so although they were from places like Sweden, Norway and Danemark, because things were kind of mixed up and folks were moving around some, they kind of got all over, and since they aren't from any *place* in particular, but had some things in common, we lump them together into ``Vikings`` which means ``ethinic Scandinavians from before about 1200 before the current maps were drawn and countries established``. 2) ``The Viking`` singular which would be Lief Erickson, who ``discovered America``, but doesn't get a holiday like Christopher Columbus for reasons no one quite understands (except that ``Liefia`` and ``Erika`` just don't seem as catchy as names for a land mass as ``America``: so Lief gets the credit, Columbus gets the holiday and Amerigo Vespucci gets to name it and no one remembers who he was). Welcome to the midwest of the US where we *did* grow up laying Vikings and Indians as much as Cowboys and Indians. Now, more seriously. ``Viking`` is a term in Modern English that has a meaning distinct from the various Norse words of similar spelling. That term is related to 1)B) above. `
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Yes I do know that damn well. It was the Romania guy I was commenting on. but my block still began at the same moment as there was a charged atmosphere of threats coming from the AFF couple.
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`==Is this article a true story or fictional???== Is this a TRUE story??? I cannot find anything about him on the internet! () I did find some other persons with the name George H. Andrews (), but they lived in different times and did different things... Maybe it's a true story, but the story here seems like the summary of a book. The article was first called (before I moved it) ``Heroes of Liberia``... That does sound like the title of a book... Is there anybody who knows more about this??? `
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` ::::Yeah, I did have that quote in mind. But Aranel's right, they are very much like archangels. `
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write about the mathematical ideas and
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::The project is being repeatedly vandalised and trolled by those who failed to get their way on VFD. I tried to save the project by removing those users who were obviously disruptive, backed by User:MONGO and User:Noittall. The admins sided with the trolls, and I was blocked indefinitely (uplifted after 72 hours). So yes, it is a bad thing, and I'd stear clear of it. Erwin
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STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT STOP EDITING MY POSTS DIPSHIT I HAVE A RIGHT TO STATE MY OPINION AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU CONSIDER VANDALISM YOU WORTHLESS ADMIN POWER TRIP PIECE OF SHIT
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I ONLY REMOVED YOUR INSULTING STATEMENTS AFTER YOU HAD CHANGED THE PLACE OF MY ARTICLES, REMOVED MY ENTIRE POST AND BLOG AND AFTER YOU HAD PUT THE TITLE GARBAGE TO MY ARTICLES, AND AFTER YOU HAD HINDER ME 8 TIMES TO RES LISH IT ONLY THEN I TOOK DECISIV ACTIONS BUT IN THE TIME IN BETWEEN, YOU HAVE ACUUSED ME OF VANDALISING YOUR TEXT AND THE SITE WHEN IN FACT IT WAS YOU WHO WERE DOING SO
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YOU ARE VERY BLIND AND SUBJECTIV EE A, HOW COULD YOU WRITE SUCH A TEXT WHEN I WASN'T AT ALL IN ALL THE DISPUTE ABOVE, AND WHEN YOU COULD OBVIOUSLY SEE THAT A TEXT OF MINE WAS MISSING AND THAT YBM HAD GIVE IT THE TITLE GARBAGE, FOR WHO WILL CALL HIS OWN TEXT GARBAGE, BUT YBM....?
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` DEAR Anonymous EE Guy, Well, I don't know if you really mean to give a full picture of the case, but we could include this one: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/reich1.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/ Who are the web site of Jean-Pierre Voyer, a kind of model person for mister Messager/YBM, and who spred a quiet special form for ideologie, which goal is to play with words and how to defend and argue about things who do not exist, how to play with words and ``fuck others`` as phrased on his web site, and essentialy, how to display a superior attitude in order to effectively use the communication on internet to their full interest, by using the circumstances frame of the dialogues. This include displaying lies as being facts with such a forcefullness as to convince others. It is called: postsituationnisme, ideologie who is followed by YBM, together with a sympathie to the 3rd reich, and a, by some, called pseudo-Hégelianism. YBM run his forum where he defend the man and his positions, with as much furore as he dispells those of Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. You will found in it concepts as the Superior Race, versus the inferior race, and different creativs ways to talk the technics and language of publicity into a way of ``mass communication`` and a weapon to convince anyone of anything. I am sure that this angle will bring a certain shade of light where it was upmost needed, and will constitute the missing piece of the puzzle. I hope you will excuse my very late assertion or révélation about this subject, but I was myself only made aware of it for a very short time ago, together with the fact that this Voyer and YBM have harrassed people before, writers too, for books who had nothing to do with science, but nevertheless constituted those 2 mens lifes mening for 2 years. Actually they stopped with their first victims at the end of 2002, beginning of 2003, to consacrate their cherish technics of manipulating the masses, and ideologies of diffamation on 2 other subjects, Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. No need to say that the 2 former victims are still paying for the vices of Voyer and Messager, and that their lifes and career have been destroyed. Why so much hate against people they didn't knew and had never met? They were only practicing, like serial killers start somewhere, in the shadow, and are only known for much more exposed actions. Here are some other links who do compleete the picture: The first attacks of Voyer and YBM against XAVIER, the writer: http://aeamh.free.fr/x/agent.html http://aeamh.free.fr/blockhaus/ http://aeamh.free/bk/index.html YBM Web site: http://aeamh.free.fr Site Voyer: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/reich1.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/ I consider this information for being central in the matter at hand, as all accusations will have fallen and nothing much will have come from the original and following J. Baez paper on the subject if it hadn't been for Messager and Voyers' questionnable work in the name of very questionnable motives, all accomplished to serve a completely useless ideology. I think that this will teach us all a lesson regarding objectivity and our hability to evaluate a given problem properly, and to be able to use our sense of sceptisisme ans sound judgement. On a more general way and even more central here, our power to distinguish between agreeing to a given opinion based on facts, and being manipulate in doing so for all the wrong reasons. This information compleete the picture and gave it its true mening, even if it is by showing how meningsless a huge part of this affair was. Sophie XAL `
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POSTED FOR THE FIRST TIME ON WIKI THE 24/08-2005 AT 8:20 AM. DELEETED 24 TIMES BY YBM.
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` :Genetic research has found that modern-day Polynesians, however, are more closely related to Southeast Asians than to American Indians. `
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Great page Love that phrase. Hope this article can grow into something of real interest.
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:::I don't understand how mentioning the domain name endorses anything.
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YOU SMELL LIKE WIKI-CHEESE!!!!!~TEH LOLZ!category: wiki-cheese
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If you're looking for some more people to help out, take a look at WikiProject: Computer and video games. You also may want to read through Wikipedia:Merging pages.
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How is this nonsense? This is all verifiable and true and is a major incident in Brasil. Please also see the Bus 174 article thank you.
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good sir. And God blessyou
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` :Again, I have reverted the 'link correction' by the ``anonymous`` user. Reasoning of the revert above here. Nothing more to say... `
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:I put them back. There has been extensive discussion about the images in the article. Please read this page and discuss changes before removing the pictures.
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`COPY OF MAIL JUST SENT TO THE WIKIEN_I LIST In answer to the point of no legal threats - The legal reference was to the fact that I was being threatened with various forms of complaint that would need defending against, by the AFF couple, at the same time as the block began, thus obstructing my actions. I don't see that as a legal threat to sue anyone. The point is one should not have personal feuds from outside Wikipedia brought into it, and if any harrassment that would be a wrong in the world outside Wikipedia had been effected during the block which it had blocked me responding to, then that clearly would have been a legal wrong, because Wikipedia can't opt out of the world. It is not isolated from the existence of those factors in society as a whole. e.g.in the argument about Nazism that's going on here, you are taking a position against having Nazis' target groups put in danger, and you are doing that because it's an outside world legal issue. ``Wikipedia is not a democracy`` needs quite a sharp answer given to it. For the reason of keeping itself in passably right relationship with the outside world, i.e.readers, Wikipedia holds a policy on neutrality of content. But the only way this policy genuinely exists and is not a lie to readers, is if unconditionally anyone who falls victim to crowd psychology can lay claim to by right, not have to beg for by favour, any measure that prevents a force of group numbers keeping a bullying bias in place without having to find NPOV ground. Now, ``laying claim to`` anything, inherently means being entitled to anything. This is actually a case-study in how society emerged from the Middle Ages. To have any credible claim to work by any principles, a society must show they operate reliably fairly, and to do that means that people are entitled to it. No way out of that. Hence, as soon as any group tries to follow any policy code like neutral POV, immediately people are entitled to things and all things are not dependent on favour. So, it stands absolutely logically proved: either * it's wrong to say to any user ever ``you're not entitled to anything``, or * it's wrong to say to the public that Wikipedia has a neutrality policy that works. They can't both be right because anyone can see they contradict each other head-on. At least one must be wrong. Which is it? end of copy. Right, what this means is perfectly clear. Unless Wikipedia can answer the question I put there, ``which is it?``, then Wikipedia is illegal. It's as simple as that, and I'm immediately posting so in every single aspie forum I belong to. I will also be asking real-life organisations to file details on it as being part of a hate campaign. The illegality is shared by every person who does not leave Wikipedia. Unless - there is an unless - unless the question is answerable. There are only 2 answers: if it's the second answer, no neutrality policy, then Wikipedia would stand obliged by its own public admission to shut down, while if it's the first answer, the mob is not in charge and people are entitled to things, then this block ends. It's as simple as that. Now, I have a right to challenge the block and this has been the challenge. The block forms part of a group-bullying hate campaign to establish that the mob is in charge, and if that is not the case, Wikipedia has absolutely firmly no other choice than to admit that people are entitled to things, and that inherently means it is not a ``legal threat`` to say so!!! That means being entitled ''' to challenge any admin who claims it is. Now, people outside Wikipedia are going to see whether this has been passed on to every place for challenging blocks, and then what answers it gets. `
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I did not abuse and threaten - another user came there out of nowhere and started a crisis by making abusive personal attacks on me. I had to defend against them, to every person who refused to ignore them. It was not threatening to state the serious wrongs that would be committed if Wikipedia claimed to even have even in theory any discretionary choice not to take entirely my side as the victim in such a situation. The situation was an offence. Any organisation that decides to take offence at being told it does not have a discretionary choice to bully, is corrupt. Admins here take personal bullying decisions without there being a defence process to go through that is judged by more than just the first other passing admin who acts on whim. Nobody can lose all rights without a defence process. What you have just said does not add up legally. You have put Wikipedia on public record as blaming victims. There is no prevention here, of mob rule. The public has to be warned so.
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== Note on WP:VfD == Please make sure you use the edit links for each individual VfD (specifically, here, here, and here) instead of adding your comments directly to, for example, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/2005 August 27. (I have already moved the three votes that were in the wrong place.)
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==Neutrality== For the arguments on the neutrality for this article please see the discussion page of Psychedelic trance
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== Judson Hall == Do we really need the huge picture of Judson Hall? Especially considering it was replaced by Furman Hall last year.
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` ==Quotes section== I noticed that the entire quotes section was removed. Zeno, would you be opposed to putting it back in under the headline ``Anti-Islamic quotes`` and mentioning the fact that not all of the quotes are described as Islamophobic? `
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` DEAR Anonymous EE Guy, Well, I don't know if you really mean to give a full picture of the case, but we could include this one: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/reich1.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/ Who are the web site of Jean-Pierre Voyer, a kind of model person for mister Messager/YBM, and who spred a quiet special form for ideologie, which goal is to play with words and how to defend and argue about things who do not exist, how to play with words and ``fuck others`` as phrased on his web site, and essentialy, how to display a superior attitude in order to effectively use the communication on internet to their full interest, by using the circumstances frame of the dialogues. This include displaying lies as being facts with such a forcefullness as to convince others. It is called: postsituationnisme, ideologie who is followed by YBM, together with a sympathie to the 3rd reich, and a, by some, called pseudo-Hégelianism. YBM run his forum where he defend the man and his positions, with as much furore as he dispells those of Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. You will found in it concepts as the Superior Race, versus the inferior race, and different creativs ways to talk the technics and language of publicity into a way of ``mass communication`` and a weapon to convince anyone of anything. I am sure that this angle will bring a certain shade of light where it was upmost needed, and will constitute the missing piece of the puzzle. I hope you will excuse my very late assertion or révélation about this subject, but I was myself only made aware of it for a very short time ago, together with the fact that this Voyer and YBM have harrassed people before, writers too, for books who had nothing to do with science, but nevertheless constituted those 2 mens lifes mening for 2 years. Actually they stopped with their first victims at the end of 2002, beginning of 2003, to consacrate their cherish technics of manipulating the masses, and ideologies of diffamation on 2 other subjects, Igor and Grichka Bogdanov. No need to say that the 2 former victims are still paying for the vices of Voyer and Messager, and that their lifes and career have been destroyed. Why so much hate against people they didn't knew and had never met? They were only practicing, like serial killers start somewhere, in the shadow, and are only known for much more exposed actions. Here are some other links who do compleete the picture: The first attacks of Voyer and YBM against XAVIER, the writer: http://aeamh.free.fr/x/agent.html http://aeamh.free.fr/blockhaus/ http://aeamh.free/bk/index.html YBM Web site: http://aeamh.free.fr Site Voyer: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/reich1.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/leuven/ I consider this information for being central in the matter at hand, as all accusations will have fallen and nothing much will have come from the original and following J. Baez paper on the subject if it hadn't been for Messager and Voyers' questionnable work in the name of very questionnable motives, all accomplished to serve a completely useless ideology. I think that this will teach us all a lesson regarding objectivity and our hability to evaluate a given problem properly, and to be able to use our sense of sceptisisme ans sound judgement. On a more general way and even more central here, our power to distinguish between agreeing to a given opinion based on facts, and being manipulate in doing so for all the wrong reasons. This information compleete the picture and gave it its true mening, even if it is by showing how meningsless a huge part of this affair was. Sophie XAL 213.237.21.6 POSTED FOR THE FIRST TIME ON WIKI THE 24/08-2005 AT 8:20 AM. DELEETED 24 TIMES BY YBM. Redeleeted yesterday, reinserted this morning at 4:19AM 28/08-05 `
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==SD.net VfD== Reverted.
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` Any reading public can see that my previous answer was already an answer to everything Redwolf has just written. It is corrupt to accuse anyone of ``abusing Wikipedia``, whether they have or not, at the same time as blocking their ability to present the dispute to the wider ``community``(joke) on all the pages that in name exist for doing that. To have dispute-sharing sections that exist in name but blocks imposable by 1 person that prevent you using them, is an abuse of public trust and a deliberate arrangement for corruption. Within hours of sharing this experience with outsiders who don't have a vested interest in apologism for the present regime, I have picked up confirmation that my perception is right and other public are seeing the reality. To wit: ``there do seem to be some nasty characters on there,`` pretty sarcastic and bullying, e.g. some of whom think mentioning anything negative but factual about Reagan or Bush constitutes bias. `
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` ANOTHER! ``Maurice, You are not the only one who has had problems with Wikipedia taking sides in a dispute, and being blatantly unfair to the other side without even giving them a chance to defend themselves.`` My my, isn't this revealing', when all these personal voices accusing me of awful things hoped that some of the mud might stick with the reading public! `
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`::You forgot this one: ::Genseiryu-Butokukai - about 422 results (interesting where this search string will bring you: Nippon Karatedo Genseiryu-Butokukai Denmark is the first hit. This is the web site of... Yes indeed!!! Mr. !!!) ::As a matter of fact, I think I agree with Bihal. Maybe Wikipedia is indeed better off without these links. People who are really interested in Genseiryu will find these links elsewhere, inside and outside Wikipedia... If the links are to be removed, I will not put 'our' link back. I will stand 100% behind the removal then! But as long as it is still on the page, the description must be correct and I (we) will not allow Peter Lee to vandalize it every time! `
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19:53:51, 2005-08-28 (UTC)
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2005 (UTC) : I could follow this line of reasoning, but please, show me which non-Polish prmiary/secondary sources claim this inconclusive result? 21:58, 28 August
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Your changes to Cookie Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.
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:Maybe you should quit being a douche bag, and then people will listen to you.
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I AM SUPERFAG, FAGGING UP THE INTERNET FOR ALL TO SEE!
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` == Commercial Variants of Rogue in Japan? == In 1991, there is ``Fatal Labyrinth`` (Genesis/Megadrive, 1991) which could be considered as the first commercial variants of Rogue (because it took a lot of ideas from rogue with some extra features) but it's not so good and successful. ``Fushigi no Dungeon`` series (starting from ``Torneko no Daibouken`` in 1993) themself are the most successful titles in Japan and start the trend of Japanese console roguelike games. Fushigi no Dungeon have much tighter game balance, so that the challenge level is just right. Some role playing games (such as Climax Landers and Evolution) have also imported some roguelike concepts (primarily the randomly generated dungeon), but honestly not to any satisfactory effect, since the randomly generated dungeon plays little significance if battles take part in a different environment (namely, the orthodox RPG combat engine). Without its effect on playability, a randomly generated dungeon would in fact feel featureless and boring. How they can be the variants of rogue? - Feature one class which is warrior-type or Jack-of-all-trades. Supernatural powers are rely on items. - Simple stats. - Dungeon theme is a lot like rogue. - Item sets like Potion, Wand (or rod), and Scroll. ``Furai no Shiren`` also add Pots which are work as containers or item manipulating tools. - ETC. Just some thought and review...`
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``` - interesting review from GameFAQs`
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`::::::Oh blow it out your ass, Mr. ``I'm-too-good-to-be-logged-in.`` You have no proof that I'm anyone else and your baseless accusations are laughable. You think you can armchair for the adminstrators and yet you bought your couch at a yard sale for twenty bucks. Just because I use words that someone ELSE uses that automatically makes me them?? If I speak Dutch does that make me Santa Claus? Now go ``blow it out your eye wall!`` `
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==Aug 29== Please don't vandalise user pages. Thank you.
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2005 (UTC) :::::::What a load of shit. I see entries ALL THE TIME that have links which have nothing much to do with the entry in question. Also, the Fark thread IS DISCUSSING THE HURRICANE. Therefore, it's valid. 06:47, 29 August
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:HE vandalized MINE using a sockpuppet accusation template. *I* merely returned the favor. Now blow it out your eye wall!
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