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This was our first Christmas time in daycare, and those teacher wish lists were ridiculous! I didn't realize it was a common thing. I'm trying to teach my boys the word "extortion".
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Pshh supplies. Construction paper, glue, markers. How expensive can they be? Maybe they get them from the same supplier that the government uses- $15 per box of crayons, $20 for 5 Oz of Elmer’s glue, etc.
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The kinds of blocks we played with as kids are Death Traps, and they, like literally everything else kid-related, have now been Recalled and must be scourged from the face of the earth because that one kid gnawed on them for hours and a splinter came off, causing, and I quote, “a big owie.”
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Isn't it wild how the kids just cruise right to the next thing but those bugs are devastating to the parents.
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Stay strong Dad!
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Oh I remember that years ago. The itchiness, scabs all over the body, and my nails falling off was fun.
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I've got pink eye
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It's a skin infection of Strep. Can get real nasty and oozy.
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Man, some real winners. I’m sorry that happened:/ it ain’t easy right nowadays. I know at my wives work they’ve had a couple times where one person ruined multiple peoples view on the entire daycare, it’s crazy how someone just doesn’t gaf about stuff like that. As for the second part, that’s also something I’ve noticed, idk if it’s because I’m older and notice it more, or if it’s just happening more, but these racists just ain’t even hiding it anymore, just saying and believing any damned thing
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A business that needs a new employee for every 5 customers is going to be expensive without subsidies. Baseline overhead of an employee for taxes and benefits usually runs about 50% of salary. Add on top of that real estate, insurance, everything else.
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which is exactly why there needs to be government funding. legalize MJ, put all tax dollars to childcare credits for all families with kids. pay daycare providers enough for them to provide good care to our kids
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All daycares around here are for-profit. Just let that sink in for a second. They pay all their staff and all that overhead, and still return a profit for the owners. Imagine if daycares were required to be non-profit and simply paid all employees a decent wage.
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You are correct from a business standpoint. Unfortunately a lot of company run daycares give themselves a crazy amount of the profit, and upkeep which they keep to a minimum. I know it wouldn’t fix everything but I wish owners/company ceos could only make so much more than their lowest payed employees hourly pay or salary if they go by yearly salary.
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I’m also curious when I hear about the centers who supposedly make very little money. My MIL runs a small daycare (12 kids) out of an addition on her home and she absolutely cleans house. She probably nets around $120k after expenses.
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how do you manage this with your work? are you out sick? do you get enough sick time?
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Same here, fortunately. Fever, exhaustion, pink eye type stuff - that’ll get a call. Their handbook basically says kids will have runny noses and coughs, so it’s not a big deal.
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You waited until conception to put your name on the list? Oh, well, that's fine I guess. If you are applying for a kindergarten spot.
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The daycare we have is on the other end of the spectrum. I wish they were a bit stricter about kids staying home. They'd take a kid for a day straight out of Urgent Care for a bad cough.
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In the LA area we had it “cheap” as a little over half a paycheck for one kid.
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They got very overzealous with the RSV outbreak, which I understand, but it’s very frustrating… especially considering my kid is getting sick from daycare far more than anywhere else.
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> Usually napped only 45 minutes. Haha yep. Kind of like thinking they'll sleep in because they went to bed late.
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More like they scream in their cribs for 1:45m and sleep for 15m.
9,023
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But now you get the added benefit of a career on full pause.
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Net zero monetarily, net loss for sanity lol. We had the same discussion with our first kid but ended up sending him to daycare anyway for this reason.
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Actually, they 100% incentivize having children. If you count forced birth and the incentive of not going to jail for getting an abortion, that is. But after the child is born? You're on your own. Because freedom or something.
9,026
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I mean they reversed roe v Wade for a reason.
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Well if they fucked around more, it would solve the problem right?
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Bad for economy... Good for planet.
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Is that why they banned abortions…?
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Sounds about right, depending on location. I pay $1600/month for one, so in a bigger city, this could totally be spot-on.
9,031
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Yes, smh
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lmaooo, what reality are you living in assuming the usa?
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We were fortunate and did SAHM for a couple years. Belts were tight but then she just needed to get out of the house and breaking even was good enough.
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State checks all daycare even if it's a private one. There is a report published every year, and scores given. The one my son is at scored 79 out of 100. The best in region scored 92, and worst 65. Average was 78, so his one is average. It is however right around the corner, and I can drop him off on my way to work without a detour, so that is a huge bonus.
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My kiddo goes to a daycare here in Sweden. It’s one of two in the village we’re in and it’s a 5 min walk down the street. In my daughters class there are 12 kids and 4 teachers. She gets a proper lunch and plays outside loads. I think it’s a great daycare. I should also mention, $120/month is like, the maximum limit if you have a good income. You pay less if you are on a lower income.
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I was fortunate that my mother in law helped me out to take of my kids during the days while im at work. However, as many know, that takes a toll on folks and especially grandparents.
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Typically when I stay home with the kiddo, I then also get sick. It's a vicious cycle. Looking forward to the 2yr mark.
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Thanks! My son is 27 months and I’ve managed so far, I think it will be doable but I will definitely start enlisting the help of some local family members when baby #2 arrives
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As shitty as it is, I don't care anymore . They've not given us much of an option these days.
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I mean as much as I hate it too, it's legit. There's a lot of families that can't afford to miss a day of childcare that they can barely afford. Being poor is expensive. Instead of harping on victims, it's probably better to hold the system accountable.
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No sir, what got us into this mess is rising costs of everything,not being able to afford keeping them home (since your paying for the daycare regardless of they go or not). And treating childcare like a commodity and not a necessity.
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I’m in week 5 of this right now. Got better after week 3, then worse after a couple of days where I could almost face life again, got better a few days ago, and now I’m on my second day of blood when I blow my nose. Dunno what this virus is, but it is persistent. Kid was fine after a week and cough stopped after 2-3, wife never got it. FML
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That virus tickled a fancy in your throat — I’ll see myself out.
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Ah, the good old hundred-day cough. I'd forgotten about that hell on earth. Couldn't even watch TV at night because I'd ruin it for anyone else.
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I have been coughing for about 4 weeks now. It seemed to get better at week 3 and suddenly got worse again. Wtf is going on?!
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Oh yeah. I had that one at the end of September through early November. That sucked. I coughed a lot longer than I was even sick.
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My wife had something similar. She actually cracked a rib from coughing to hard. It took months to clear up and she ended up getting a nebulizer from the doctor to help.
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My daughter got hand, foot, and mouth disease and snuck her fingers in my mouth like an hour after being diagnosed, leading to me also getting it. Probably can credit the vaccine but that was arguably worse than when I got COVID.
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WOW the almost exact same thing happened to me, up to and including 10 weeks of non-stop coughing. The coughing was at its peak when I would lie down to sleep, I had no rest, no break, ever. I was a zombie for 2.5 months; my whole body hurt. All from pre-school.
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My kid is 3 months older and SAME! Currently in the middle of a ear infection+Flu lol
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Mines 3yrs…. Slowed down but it’s summer here. Just waiting for it to start to get colder and here we go again. Had covid 2 or 3 times and have to say it’s been a breeze, once you get used to being sick all the time, any virus is just annoying rather than debilitating!
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I don’t understand how it’s this bad. There are only 4 other kids in my daughter’s class. Each of their parents must be world travelers, licking all the door handles in Grand Central Station every weekend when they pass through, because I don’t see how it’s statistically possible that a class that small has so many germs going around. I think they go to the absolute most crowded place and breathe in as deeply as possible while getting no sleep and consuming zero vitamin C, so their child can pass it on to the other 4 in the class.
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It doesn’t get better? Oh lord…
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Oh man, that’s what we’re hoping for. Almost constant snot production since starting daycare at 3 months. Turning 1 year on Wednesday.
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Thats how my first two are. Third Monster has breathing issues, so we pulled all three from daycare
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$60k a year after taxes straight to the daycare gods? Jesus H my guy Here in my large Midwest city it's looking like $16k/yr for one with only a mild discount for additional kids. And I thought that was bad. Hope you get paid correspondingly more as a COL adjustment
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The child tax credit cap is pretty high, but most income caps on tax or retirement account related things are comically low in the current economy. $75k-$100k sure doesn't feel very high earning when the average home costs one million dollars, daycare costs $30k per year, and due to the car shortage now it's hard to find a car under $30k.
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I thought my $1,500 per kid was high...
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Right! My oldest is in day care two days a week and it’s $800 a month. It was the best deal we could find that wasn’t sketchy as hell.
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Also the second most expensive real estate after NYC. Why do you live in Boston? (no snark)
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jfc. I'm paying half that in NYC.. $2500 is just ridiculous.
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$270 a month in Brazil for a nice private one, full time, 5 days a week, no breaks all year. I may be shot in the head here, but oh boy do we have some benefits.
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boston here too, childcare is egregious up here.
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Man, that's literally half what I'm paying for daycare in Charlotte, and the place we're at was one of the cheaper options.
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You do realize they infect eachother before the fever? Edit: which is good as they have to train their immune system
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What area, out of curiosity? In SF, it is about 2x that.
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that sounds rough dude. the food thing alone is HUGE. i would absolutely not have my son in the daycare he is at if they werent providing food. and they definitely have at least 1 organized learning activity per day. is there just no where else to send your kiddo?
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BC checking in. We just learned last night that our daycare will be starting the $10 a day program next month. We're so happy.
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Don’t be so dense. That’s not for 1on 1 care so it does not equal $7/hr.
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Here in the Netherlands we want free childcare in a few years, inspired by Sweden I think. But noone knows where we are going to find the people who are going to work there. Anyway my kids will be done with childcare by the time that arrives. Just...
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But not for *you*. I *get* it. But it seems that there could be a *better* way, that is more equitable for parties that *don't* get to utilize the resource they are paying for.
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I still have to pay when daycare is canceled due to weather. And I know they aren't paying staff on weather days.
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I'm not blaming this on parents. Parents just need to realize that this is not normal and it's been foisted upon them and their support system for this to happen... The "not being able to hold down a normal job" thing is not normal. Factory work is only 150 years old that's four generations. Not normal.
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Lots do. That's not to say once symptoms show up that the problem is gone. I don't know what this argument is supposed to represent. Is it that we can't know when kids are sick so we should give up? Because I don't know what else that would be asking. Just because a problem is *difficult* we should give up?
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Same!! This was our first daycare Christmas and they sent out the teacher’s wish lists..only problem is I have 2 toddlers and they each have 4 teachers! 2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon. So 8 teachers total they each got their favorite candy from their lists and a small bag of their favorite chips. I put them in huge ziplocks with their names written in sharpie. I felt bad that they were such half assed gifts but I literally couldn’t afford to do anything more than that.
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they probably also use half of it for the same thing the government does: to sniff it.
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Presumably a 500k owie after the lawsuits?
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My 18 month old daughter is clearly sick all the time but completely unexpected by it. Meanwhile mom and dad are on our asses several times over the past year. Daughter is either tough as nails or a total sociopath.
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Yeesh. I “just” got fever, sore throat, and generalized misery and that was bad enough but having lesions and missing nails is tough to contemplate.
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Yup that’s the one!! My son had it last week, luckily a good dose of antibiotics and medicated cream sorted it out and there’s no scarring
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It’s sucks but we’re almost done with having two in daycare at the same time. I just accept that we have to spend enough to cover all their college costs as a fact of life, which it is so that we can work. We have also considered switching since the first egg incident but this is THE nice daycare in the area. Anywhere else, while cheaper, have worse reputations.
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MJ is legal in NM and nearly everyone in the state gets free daycare funded by the state. I think the daycare workers are still paid poorly. It really doesn't make any sense. I feel like all the daycare must be sending money offshore or something for the difference in cost versus worker pay.
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Being not-for-profit does not magically make daycare cheaper, especially considering eg. incentives to do things more or less efficiently.
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Mazel tov, most around the country aren't and see similar prices. The one my wife works for lost its endowment to Madoff and keeps building and tearing down the same wall, though.
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And then there'd be 1/2 as half many daycares because why bother?
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> their lowest *paid* employees hourly FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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Our daycare upped our prices by $200 a month. Then the next week the owner of the daycare parked his hundred thousand dollar off-road camper trailer next to the daycare building. Couldn’t believe it.
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... Manage? What's that? I pop some ibuprofen and hop on my scheduled meetings, tell the kiddos to try to be quiet, while looking and acting like a zombie. It's... Of middling effectiveness. Honestly, I'm in one of those salaried developer positions where sick days are sort of handwaved away as just, "work from home and check in periodically" days. Not saying it's right or not, especially as I am guaranteed sick time by my government, but I love my job and my boss and they're super flexible with me whenever I need literally anything. So when a big name customer has a burning high priority issue (like I have on me right now, to the point that 2 of my projects have C-Suite level visibility that I've been called in to salvage), I don't mind putting in the extra effort. But my kids could NOT have picked a better time to get me sick, that's for sure. XD It's also not that bad, honestly. My wife is self employed as a machinist, so she can keep the kiddos entertained if I truly need it, all while running the CNC machines. :) And the kiddos are actually great at being calm during my meetings, which is surprising considering neither of them are even in grade school yet. I couldn't be prouder!
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I feel like my daycare is right in the middle. Can come to school with a cough or sniffles, but has to stay home if there's a fever. Have to go 24 hours with no medicine and no fever before coming back to school.
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My wife works at one that doesn't let her make the call unless a kid has diarrhea twice in one day. She's pregnant.
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Honestly, most sicknesses are contagious before major symptoms. In a class/building full of toddlers/pre-schoolers, it's virtually impossible to stop the spread. I much prefer the policy my daycare implements, which is basically as long as they can participate normally enough. Just accept the colds, it's better than everyone staying home constantly.
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I wish our pre school cared. I get kids can have sniffles and also stuff like lingering coughs after an illness (well beyond when infectious), but I have seen some SICK kids going into the class with that heavy wet cough, to a three hour pre school mind you. Could at least ask them to wear a mask with bad symptoms much less stay home but it’s all “honor system”.
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Fair point. We did discuss this and for the industry she's in it's not a huge issue.
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Some people see the investment in raising a child(or children) as far more valuable then a corporate "career".
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SAHM is a more noble career anyway
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Now this is a conspiracy I can get behind.
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Considering the people banning abortions are really only banning them for groups they'd rather not have exist at all, nah, that's not it lol. Just some Christian ideological nonsense.