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8,901 | daddit | Unreal, that is literally life changing. Paying about 5 times that amount and have to provide diapers, wipes and food. Just got a notice yesterday its going up this summer. |
8,902 | daddit | In maritime Canada right now, paying $360/month for 40 hours a week. We make too much for direct subsidies, although I'm sure the government is pitching in behind the scenes. Food not included, though. |
8,903 | daddit | *Groans in American* |
8,904 | daddit | Y'all need American expats over there? Asking for a friend. |
8,905 | daddit | In Quebec it's $8.75/day on subsidised day cares and around $10/day on regular ones, and also includes food. |
8,906 | daddit | If kids are getting sent home for clear, runny noses, then there must be no kids there… |
8,907 | daddit | We did take our kid out of daycare for a few months when things got really bad. Hired a Nanny for half a day. Morning until nap time. We were both working from home so one of us would tackle the first half of the afternoon and the other would handle the rest. At daycare the kid would sleep noon to 3. Thought this would work out well. At home? Usually napped only 45 minutes. At least nobody got sick doing things this way. |
8,908 | daddit | We're doing this, too. But the issue that's now plaguing me is that I work all day and by the time I get off work, she's had the baby all day long and wants a break, but so do I. I don't really argue and take over baby duties until we have to put him down for the night around 7-8pm, at which point I get my freedom. Needless to say, we're struggling to try to figure out how to manage our free time. |
8,909 | daddit | When I was younger my mom doubled down. She stayed home AND opened the house as a cut rate word of mouth daycare for neighborhood kids to add income. I don’t think that would fly nowadays between certifications and litigious concerns. But we weren’t in a great area and local parents were happy to have a local, safe mom watch their kids for a fraction of the real cost when it meant food money. |
8,910 | daddit | Same. We live in an expensive area and the cost for daycare would be +/-0 her income anyway. |
8,911 | daddit | Spread the word to non parents bc they have no idea. But yes, 100% this society does not incentivize children. |
8,912 | daddit | The United States birthrate is below replacement. They're in the 'find out' part of their economic experiment. |
8,913 | daddit | Because countries can replace their population through immigration |
8,914 | daddit | Isn't it in most reasonable countries? At least to some extent? |
8,915 | daddit | Depends on the country. In Canada it’s province by province, but many of them subsidize the cost of daycare. Quebec for example has $10 per day daycare. IMO it’s a great help as it removes a lot of stress on parents in paying for care. We subsidize public school between 5-18, might as well help for younger children as well. |
8,916 | daddit | If you think keeping primary and secondary school culturally responsive to a diverse population is tough, imagine preschool. Lawsuits every December. |
8,917 | daddit | In which country you live? |
8,918 | daddit | That is my entire salary. Good lord. |
8,919 | daddit | Per month? |
8,920 | daddit | Same here. Just 200 more than rent! I'm not crying you are |
8,921 | daddit | Holy shit, it only costs $66 per week with government subsidies here. |
8,922 | daddit | This is why we opted for a nanny. The costs in a city are absurd for 2 in day care, and there are less sick days and more one on one time. |
8,923 | daddit | What the fuck. |
8,924 | daddit | Yup. $5,400 and change per month here. *Sad fist bump* |
8,925 | daddit | And that's on top of the 6 weeks that the place is closed for holidays and training days. Sometimes I feel like I'm supporting a charity. |
8,926 | daddit | yep, and work threatening to furlough/fire you, if you didn't find other options while daycare was shut down for 2 weeks even though working from home was a completely viable option.... |
8,927 | daddit | Ours closed for 3 months but charged 50% and then charged 50% for 3 months after they opened |
8,928 | daddit | Isn’t daycare paid by how many hours you consume each month? So when they don’t go, it’s zero hours and therefor you don’t pay a penny |
8,929 | daddit | It wasn't allowed here. When the government closed the daycare, we didn't pay anything. |
8,930 | daddit | I replied before- I’d like to take a long hard look at these “insurance premiums” these places keep for negligence payouts, stuff like that. I understand the concept in that in theory you pay a little now to cover when the place gets sued because a worker slapped a kid or some other extremely rare occurrence. But I doubt that it’s “a little” and question whether that premium is necessary in reference to the payouts, and isn’t for the CEO’s Aspen ski lodge. |
8,931 | daddit | Basically because it's not subsidized by the government in many places. If you had to pay for private fire departments, private police, private school, private roads, etc you'd be out a fortune there as well. |
8,932 | daddit | My wife, who is the most amazing woman I've ever known, works from home AND takes care of our 11MO daughter. Childcare in our area costs MORE than what she makes, and my paycheck alone is not enough to provide so that she doesn't have to work. |
8,933 | daddit | Do the children get GOOD care? Just curious. The daycares in America in my opinion are ALL very different. Some are good and some are bad. |
8,934 | daddit | Damn you and your supportive country |
8,935 | daddit | The "Government" gives you back some of the tax money it's collected because that's the sane thing to do. It's a better use for your taxes, but it's not free money. :) |
8,936 | daddit | curious what you’ve been doing prior if they weren’t in daycare? |
8,937 | daddit | (my nose hasn’t been fully unblocked since September) |
8,938 | daddit | yeah, that's how it goes unfortunately...happened to my kids for a good 2 years. Pink eye, coughs, fevers, covid. Doctor visits every few weeks because dayvare needed a doctor's note....now after a few years they are rarely sick. |
8,939 | daddit | I want to go back to my Y soooo badly, but I’m terrified to take my kid to their childcare for exactly that reason. |
8,940 | daddit | congrats! i'm currently at WFH with a soon to be 4 m/o + 2 y/o (she's 28 months) hehe. it's hard but doable :) |
8,941 | daddit | i genuinely have no idea how you are able to do that! kudos to you as that’s got to be some kind of special achievement unlocked type thing happening haha. |
8,942 | daddit | You are so lucky not being American dude |
8,943 | daddit | Especially when you consider that whatever virus they have most likely came from the same daycare…. |
8,944 | daddit | And the health care solution is just around the corner! |
8,945 | daddit | My daycare is pretty lenient. Unless it’s a fever, puking or diarrhea your kid won’t get sent home. One day my child coughed non stop the whole day, we volunteered to keep her home for a couple days after that lol. |
8,946 | daddit | That doesn't automatically mean they aren't contagious. |
8,947 | daddit | Change this thinking. That's the shit that got us into this mess. |
8,948 | daddit | The immune system will be built sooner or later, at daycare or at school it didn't matter. And the nanny can take the kid to social activities! |
8,949 | daddit | > too. I *paid* $45 a FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot* |
8,950 | daddit | Our kids started pre-school for the first time in May. I've been sick 8 times since then. Most of it's a day off here or there but this last one sucked. It started with a cough. I coughed every 2-3 minutes. If I laid down, it was worse. There was nothing in my lungs... I just couldn't get my throat to stop being irritated. I was awake for 9 days straight, minus the half hour I got here or there when I fell asleep in my computer chair. My abs were cramping, my throat was raw and bleeding, I pulled two muscles in my back... I've never had something that bad. It finally backed off and let me sleep but I coughed for about 10 weeks total. Just brutal. I was ready to go back to COVID lockdown, no school, no nothing... everyone's home forever. |
8,951 | daddit | My daughter coughing in the doctor's office, in December. - when did it start? - April |
8,952 | daddit | My kiddo is one month older than yours and we’re in the exact same boat, the struggle is real! |
8,953 | daddit | Yeah my kid has been a snot production factory since starting daycare |
8,954 | daddit | You're not alone, it's been hell, I the world just needs to get caught up but holy shit it's exhausting |
8,955 | daddit | We had twins in preschool pre Covid. We were sick for 6 straight months. Now they’re in 1st grade in person and we are all sick 75% of the time. |
8,956 | daddit | By the time mine turned 2, they had indestructible daycare immune systems. I can't even remember the last time they were sick. But yeah, those first couple of years they were sick like every other week. |
8,957 | daddit | My 7 year old has been sick non-stop from one thing to the next since the first week of November. |
8,958 | daddit | It isn't until they're about 3 that the immune system fully catches up. My son just got sick for the first time in 10 weeks. She thing with my daughter, once she turned 3 she might get a little cold but otherwise nothing major and she's rarely sick now. |
8,959 | daddit | Our first year in childcare was painful with sickness. Much better after that though |
8,960 | daddit | My boys don't go to daycare but are always sick due to my irresponsible family at functions. |
8,961 | daddit | Yes. But once this is over, mortal germs have no chance against your immune system. |
8,962 | daddit | It’s truly impossible at that age. Everything up till 2… the crawling, the touching, putting stuff in their mouths. Can’t wash their own hands or wear a mask. Pre COVID when ours was in daycare the bar for staying home was a significant fever which basically just guarantees there’s gonna be some sick kids. There’s really no avoiding it other than avoiding daycare via nanny or parent or other family child care. |
8,963 | daddit | Also have an 8mo old, same thing over here too |
8,964 | daddit | Yep, have a 7 month old, same boat ever since his sister started preschool this fall. He was hospitalized for RSV back in August so we go through a little bit of PTSD each time a new cold starts, just crossing our fingers it won't get THAT bad. What's crazy is our daughter only had one cold before 2 because of the pandemic. |
8,965 | daddit | We were the same way with our son few months ago drove us batty. Seems that he’s basically had a taste of everything now and handles it a bit better now though. Just came through a small one last week but now I’ve got it . |
8,966 | daddit | It gets better - my daughter started at daycare around 6 months. She’s 16 months now. She got sick for about 2 days over the holidays but before that it has been 4-5 months since she was out. Just have to build up that immune system! |
8,967 | daddit | I think our daughter was healthy enough to go to daycare no more than 5 days the whole month of November. |
8,968 | daddit | It lasted 12 months for us. |
8,969 | daddit | We just started our 8 month old at daycare 2 days per week 3 weeks ago. Our household has been out of commission with co stant sickness since |
8,970 | daddit | My daycare had a 99 degree threshold for sending kids home. Week before they announced raising weekly prices. Two weeks later bunch of people quit. I swore I’d be careful about being “that parent” but I have definitely became that parent with *this* daycare. I now know threshold limits, when they should combine rooms and when they shouldn’t, all sorts of regulations. Worst part is there’s only two daycares I trust with my kids safety this one and another that’s full. So I’m stuck. Fuck our daycare system. |
8,971 | daddit | Try this - my 6-month old, who just had a double ear infection AND double pink eye at the same time a few weeks ago, immediately gets Covid and is home sick for 10 more days (wife also sick). Not to mention his 3-year old sister who’s also home sick on and off and my wife and I try to work. Paying more than my mortgage for daycare the whole time. Good luck! |
8,972 | daddit | Boston here, $2500 a month, each, for a very normal daycare offering (not like a fancy private school type one or anything). The only childcare assistance is a tax credit that gets phased out if you’re a higher earner, so yes this image hits home very hard :) |
8,973 | daddit | In Charlotte, US, I pay $175 per week per kid. It’s an in home daycare, and they don’t charge while they are closed for vacation which they take a week off twice a year. We just line up our vacation with theirs and it works out. Really, daycare is expensive for families but that’s more because it’s the single greatest use of someone else’s time you are going to have. 7.30-6.30 is 11 hours of labor per day you are paying for. If you break it down to an hourly cost it’s really not *that* much but you need a lot of hours for it. |
8,974 | daddit | Sweden, we’re paying 1500 SEK ($144 USD) for a month, 0730-1630, 5 days a week, diapers, meals, snacks included. Of course she still gets sick every other week. Her healthiest period since starting in August was over the winter vacation. It all passes come spring time when they can spend most of the day outside. Until then, 21 colds the first year of daycare, 50 by time they are 5. We are lucky here in Sweden too, we can also VAB (government insurance to supplement salaries when taking care of kids). We also have the added benefit of working from home, and flex schedules, so my wife and I can work around that while one of us takes care of her. |
8,975 | daddit | >sending the kid home at the lightest of fevers They **should** go home at the lightest of fevers. If we all did that this thread wouldn't exist. |
8,976 | daddit | In the US it highly depends on where you're located. I live in California in an upper middle class suburban area and pay about $1500/month. But my son's preschool has vacation credits that you can use (so you don't have to pay to take them out for a week per year--it isn't enough but it's something), a good curriculum, and they provide all the food (except my son's substitutes for dairy but that's not their fault). |
8,977 | daddit | In the states i pay $230 a week for 1 child for 5 days. 1 week vacation per year. That is by far the cheapest we found and they are a great organization. generally what i found was \~$400/week was average. |
8,978 | daddit | I’m $1,250 Canadian per month for two: one in daycare, the other in out of school care. Would be $1,850 but there’s a federal government grant for the little one and the big one gets a discount because my wife’s a teacher. Daycare is a middle of the road private one, not the cheapest nor the fanciest. Cheaper than other places but still get perpetually sick kids. |
8,979 | daddit | I pay over $15,000 USD a year for one toddler to go in 3 days a week, basically no swap days, no make up or vacation days of any kind, I still pay regardless of holidays or days they’re closed, and we provide all food. There’s supposed to be a curriculum but honestly if they have one “organized” circle time a day and one craft a week, it’s a great week. Otherwise my kid isn’t really learning any fundamentals there. I’m glad they’re socializing, which is important, but they aren’t really covering anything like letters, numbers, colors, shapes, etc. It’s kind of disappointing because my kid is really interested in learning, and outside of daycare would spend as long as you can go reading books if you let them, but they don’t have anything like that in their daycare. Most of the teachers can’t even properly put on a diaper, and my kid has come home on numerous occasions with on wrong or with an accident because they weren’t put on properly, or even some other kids diapers. Anyway, I’m a little salty about the childcare situation here, but there’s so much other shit to fix here, I don’t have any hope of it being addressed while it’ll still be relevant to me. |
8,980 | daddit | In Alberta, Canada, and I pay $254 a month... Canadian government started a $10/day plan last year. Our daycare (nonprofit organization) charges $1030 a month, government subsidizes them $510 to bring down cost, then based on our income we receive a full subsidy of $266. It's pretty wicked honestly, but it has also put so much strain on the system without the properly trained staff and that newer, private daycares are struggling to get approved for the funding. So if you're lucky to find a spot, it's usually in a place that is barely staffed or understaffed to the proper ratios. Supposedly they are putting money towards increasing the incentive of taking an ECE program, but the wages and hours are still a little garbage so idk what the actual uptake will end up looking like. |
8,981 | daddit | Jesus. One kid, four days a week, comes down to roughly €400/month. Of that, we'll get about a third back in taxes at the end of the year. Live in Belgium. (So I'm funding the other half of that money with my taxes ;) |
8,982 | daddit | We are paying just over $1000 for a 2 year old and a 4 year old, including food (you can opt out of the food to save some money). They are currently at 2 different places but once they are at the same place (just before the little one turns 3) we will get a discount for having 2 at the same place. This is in Denmark, by the way. |
8,983 | daddit | Stuttgart Germany: 1200€ a month, one child 5 days, 7:30 to 18:30. |
8,984 | daddit | You pay less than $7/hr USD for qualified daycare? When you do the math it ain't that bad. I mean, you couldn't pay me that little to watch a kid let alone include a curriculum/app updates/free lunches & snacks. I think that's why most of the less expensive daycares in the US are run from churches. Tax write-offs. |
8,985 | daddit | I’m on the board of my kids’ daycare. We instituted a thing where we allow the parents to take the kids out of daycare during the summer for as much as they want (as long as they tell the daycare before summer when they’ll be out) and they don’t pay during that time but we keep their spot for fall. We also give them two weeks a year where they can request to not pay, no questions asked. Usually people use those weeks for vacation time. It’s still expensive AF tho. Roughly $1200 per month Canadian in a pretty small rural city. For medication our educators are allowed to give Tylenol if the parent has signed a form to give consent beforehand. If fever lasts after Tylenol, rules say they have to go and be 24h fever free before returning. It used to be 48h fever free but everywhere else in the area was 24h so we voted that down to match everyone else. |
8,986 | daddit | In Australia we pay about $1300 AUD a month after a 60% subsidy. Same frustrating shit as you |
8,987 | daddit | Sweden here like 130-140 euros a month |
8,988 | daddit | Ohio, $1100/month/kid for 5 days, local chain of daycares. We haven't had too many issues with illness or such, since he didn't start going until he was 2. Lots of outdoors play time, I think, helped too. And they were very helpful with potty training. |
8,989 | daddit | Two days a week preschool for our child is $400 a month, August through May. They're only 4 hour days since I work mostly the weekends and some weekday evenings and we really just wanted him to get the social interaction plus so I can get a bit of a break during the week. |
8,990 | daddit | That’s crazy! We pay 450€ for one kid, 5 days a week (Germany). With a second kid, it will cost a bit more, but not 2x. I think between 600-700, if I remember correctly. |
8,991 | daddit | Seriously, you Dutch pay less taxes and thus have a higher take-home pay, but the benefits for families here in Germany are so much better that it definitely changes the equation. We pay 470€ for both kids, and that's almost the top rate... and in most states daycare is completely free, just not in ours. |
8,992 | daddit | Western Canada here. About $1200 (cdn) per child after government contributions for a foreign language immersion daycare. They test twice a day and if they’re over 37 both times and they’re going home. They also don’t give medication. If the child has been symptomatic they’re off at least 36 hours minimum (so 2 days) regardless. My 4YO daughter was continually sick but my 1YO son has done better. |
8,993 | daddit | I pay someone $15/hour to come to our house and watch my daughter four days a week. They aren't a professional Nanny that cooks and cleans or anything. It's all above board and we have to pay taxes and all that. And I do worry some about socializing. We've been on waiting lists for daycares for over a year. She was born right before Covid and so my parents watched her for basically the first year and a half. I guess that just made it harder to get her in anywhere later. |
8,994 | daddit | $1600/month in southern NH for 1 kid, 4 days/week |
8,995 | daddit | 200-400€ per month in Barcelona, depending on your income. I think now it's free after the kid is 2 years old. |
8,996 | daddit | The reason is pretty clear: staff still comes in. |
8,997 | daddit | It shouldn't be so expensive but it is helpful for kids in their socialization, and does help prepare them better for school |
8,998 | daddit | I don't think it's a "mindset" issue. In families where all parents work, and kids get sick almost constantly, there's real tension there. If you take your suggested approach, and stay home from work to care for your kid 70 workdays a year, then you can't hold down most jobs. I'm not saying to give up on this issue, but don't blame the dads' "mindset". Under this system, we're often stuck between a rock and a hard place. Cards on the table: My kid goes to daycare with the sniffles, because the alternative is unemployment. |
8,999 | daddit | Kind of, but remember that most diseases are declining in communicability by the time symptoms show up. |
9,000 | daddit | Even if everyone adhered to that perfectly kids do gross stuff like touching poop and putting their hands in their mouth that make disease transmission more likely. |
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