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Well, I agree that if you're going to stand in front of the net,
that you should expect to get hit and hacked at. In general, you
should expect to finish the game with some bruises. However,
there is a fine line between hacking at a guy (causing some pain
and discomfort) and blatantly attempting to injure another
player. Felix Potvin, IMO, crossed that line on Wednesday. That
two hander on Ciccarelli was way out of line. I lost a lot of
respect for Potvin because of that. It showed an immaturity. He
did not slash at Ciccarelli to simply try to remove him from the
slot area (a legal position for Dino to be in). Instead, he
slashed in an attempt to injure. It was out of shear frustration. As a
Leaf supporter (just a supporter, I'm not a Leaf fan really), I
was very disappointed.
You're right in mentioning Billy Smith and Ron Hextall (at least
in his Philly days). They both crossed that same line at times and
for that reason, many fans (and players) disliked them (that's
why their names always comes up as examples when we talk about
these issues). Let's hope that Felix doesn't do that again. I'd
hate to see anyone (even Dino --- although I admit I don't like
him very much) get seriously hurt from such careless (but
intentional) use of the stick. | 0 |
7,395 |
You sure? This maybe a chronic syndrome. If it persists, we may have to
banish you to the "Cub-crazy Sanatarium" in north Chicago...
:-):-):-) | 0 |
7,329 | 0 | |
146 | Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd)
Player Team Pts Votes
--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Ed Belfour Chicago 31 14
2. Andy Moog Boston 30 13
3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 26 11
Brian Hayward San Jose 26 10
5. Ron Hextall Quebec 16 8
6. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 11 6
7. John Vanbeisbrouck NY Rangers 10 4
Grant Fuhr Buffalo 10 4
9. Mike Richter NY Rangers 6 3
10. Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2
11. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2
Ken Dryden Montreal (retired) 4 2
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Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint
Malarchuk (Buf/SD,IHL), Tommy Soderstrom (Phil), Ray LeBlanc (USA),
Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Sean Burke (NJ),
Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), Bob Essensa (Win),
Glenn Healy (NYI), Toy Espo (???), Gilles Gratton (???),
Rod Stauber (LA), Gump Worsley (???), Pat Jablonski (TB),
Grant Fuhr (Tor), Felix Potvin (Tor), Stephane Beauregard (Win),
Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI), Chico Resch (NYI)
Can someone please tell me which teams the (???) play(ed) for? Thanks.
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1,597 | 0 | |
4,154 | ^^^^
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
Whoa. Aren't you forgetting a couple of guys named Gant and Justice?
He can lead off. He'll probably steal 40. He might hit .300. He'll
never hit 20+ homers. I think you went 2 for 4 on this one.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You said it all right there.
Does anyone else out there not like Deon? I think he's all hype.
His .300 season last year was good, but I'm not convinced that he can do
it again. It reminds me (sorry) of the year 1987(?) when Tim Wallach hit
30 or so homers and had 127 RBI. It never even came close to happening
again. Of course, maybe I just prefer guys who go about their business
and don't play it up for the attention. Just my HO.
Doug Roberts - Larry Walker is God. Delino Deshields thinks he is. | 0 |
2,066 | Don't know who scored, but the Isles (28-7 franchise record in
playoff OT games) took game four by a score of 4-3 for their
third consecutive OT win over the Capitals tonight at Uniondale.
If you know, please post who scored for a Isles fan living in
Atlanta:Hockey Hell.
Lord Stan's a Uniondale Man! GO ISLES! | 0 |
935 | Hockey-tipset, V}ren 1993:
==========================
*#*#*#*#* Vinnare av Hockey-tipset 1993... Per Bengtson!!! Grattis! *#*#*#*#*
Slutst{llning: 1. Per Bengtson 15
2. Lars Andersson 13
3. Anders Engwall 11
4. Staffan Axelsson 10
Patrik ]sander 10
6. Hannu L A Hietanen 9
Ingvar Khan 9
8. noran@cs.tut.fi 8
Jan Stein 8
Roger Wennstr|m 8
11.Lars Thore Aarhus 7
Fredrik Nissen 7
Marek Repinski 7
Lars Wiklund 7
15.Lennart Hedenstr|m 6
Vinnare och lycklig {gare av en FBK-mugg {r allts} Per Bengtson,
kometen som ledde hockeytipset 92 vid halvtid men som sedan fick
ge vika f|r Anders Engwall i slutspurten.
De tre f|rsta lyckades pricka in den viktiga fr}ga 1.4 SM-guld till Bryn{s.
Kanske var det v{l sv}rt att tippa slutspelet ocks} men man ser att
om den j{mna finalen mellan Lule} och Bryn{s ist{llet hade slutat till
Lule}s f|rdel, s} hade det varit samma vinnare i alla fall.
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H{r f|ljer de korrekta svaren. Siffran inom parentes anger hur m}nga
som hade tippat detta. * anger Per Bengtsons vinnande rad.
1. Elitserien
1.1 Tippa den slutgiltiga tabellen.
1. V{ster}s (7)
2. Bryn{s (2) *
3. Malm| (4)
4. F{rjestad (5)
5. MoDo (6)
6. Lule} (6) *
7. Leksand (2) *
8. Djurg}rden (2) *
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9. HV 71 (11) *
10. R|gle (12) *
1.2 Vilka 4 av de 8 kvartsfinalisterna g}r vidare till semifinal?
Djurg}rden (4)
Lule} (9)
Bryn{s (6) *
Malm| (13) *
1.3 Vilka 2 lag m|ts i final?
Lule} (5)
Bryn{s (4) *
1.4 Vilka blir Svenska M{stare 92/93? (3p)
Bryn{s (4) *
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2. Allsvenskan
1. V{stra Fr|lunda (11) *
2. Huddinge (3) *
- - - - - - - - - - -
3. Bj|rkl|ven (5)
4. AIK (5) *
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9. Team G{vle (1)
10. Boden (0)
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5,028 | Here are the final point totals for players chosen in the USENET Hockey Draft.
Note that only 114 players scored more than 55 points (the minimum cost)
although 254 different players were chosen.
- Andrew
Points Team Player
160 PIT Mario_Lemieux
148 BUF Pat_LaFontaine
142 BOS Adam_Oates
137 DET Steve_Yzerman
132 WPG Teemu_Selanne
132 NYI Pierre_Turgeon
127 BUF Alexander_Mogilny
127 TOR Doug_Gilmour
125 LA Luc_Robitaille
123 PHI Mark_Recchi
114 QUE Mats_Sundin
111 PIT Kevin_Stevens
110 VAN Pavel_Bure
109 PIT Rick_Tocchet
107 CHI Jeremy_Roenick
106 STL Craig_Janney
105 QUE Joe_Sakic
102 BOS Joe_Juneau
101 STL Brett_Hull
100 CGY Theoren_Fleury
100 PIT Ron_Francis
99 TOR Dave_Andreychuk
97 MTL Vincent_Damphousse
97 DET Dino_Ciccarelli
97 WPG Phil_Housley
96 BUF Dale_Hawerchuk
94 STL Brendan_Shanahan
94 MTL Kirk_Muller
94 PIT Jaromir_Jagr
93 MIN Mike_Modano
91 NYR Mark_Messier
89 HFD Geoff_Sanderson
88 MTL Brian_Bellows
88 CGY Robert_Reichel
87 LA Jari_Kurri
87 NYI Steve_Thomas
87 DET Sergei_Fedorov
87 DET Paul_Coffey
86 TB Brian_Bradley
86 PHI Rod_Brind'Amour
85 WSH Peter_Bondra
85 PIT Larry_Murphy
85 HFD Andrew_Cassels
85 VAN Cliff_Ronning
82 WSH Mike_Ridley
82 LA Tony_Granato
82 QUE Steve_Duchesne
82 HFD Pat_Verbeek
82 BOS Ray_Bourque
81 CGY Gary_Suter
81 NJ Claude_Lemieux
80 MTL Stephan_Lebeau
79 NJ Alexander_Semak
79 WSH Kevin_Hatcher
79 MIN Russ_Courtnall
79 WSH Dale_Hunter
78 QUE Mike_Ricci
78 SJ Kelly_Kisio
78 STL Jeff_Brown
77 QUE Owen_Nolan
77 VAN Murray_Craven
77 VAN Geoff_Courtnall
76 NYR Tony_Amonte
76 NYI Derek_King
76 MIN Dave_Gagner
75 PHI Eric_Lindros
75 CGY Joe_Nieuwendyk
75 NYI Benoit_Hogue
74 TOR Nikolai_Borschevsky
74 WSH Michal_Pivonka
74 MIN Ulf_Dahlen
73 LA Jimmy_Carson
73 NJ Stephane_Richer
73 CHI Chris_Chelios
73 STL Nelson_Emerson
72 WPG Alexei_Zhamnov
72 BOS Dmitri_Kvartalnov
72 VAN Trevor_Linden
72 WPG Thomas_Steen
71 VAN Petr_Nedved
70 PIT Joe_Mullen
70 CHI Steve_Larmer
69 LA Mike_Donnelly
68 QUE Andrei_Kovalenko
68 NYR Mike_Gartner
67 WSH Dmitri_Khristich
66 WSH Al_Iafrate
66 DET Ray_Sheppard
66 SJ Johan_Garpenlov
65 TOR Glenn_Anderson
65 HFD Zarley_Zalapski
65 LA Wayne_Gretzky
65 NYR Adam_Graves
64 NJ Valeri_Zelepukin
63 OTT Norm_Maciver
63 PHI Kevin_Dineen
62 DET Steve_Chiasson
62 DET Paul_Ysebaert
62 PHI Garry_Galley
61 PIT Shawn_McEachern
60 MTL Mike_Keane
60 WPG Darrin_Shannon
60 NYI Pat_Flatley
60 NJ Bernie_Nicholls
60 QUE Scott_Young
59 LA Rob_Blake
59 PHI Brent_Fedyk
57 CHI Steve_Smith
57 WSH Pat_Elynuik
57 NJ Scott_Stevens
57 CGY Sergei_Makarov
57 WPG Fredrik_Olausson
56 VAN Greg_Adams
56 TB John_Tucker
54 CHI Christian_Ruuttu
54 CHI Brent_Sutter
54 CGY Al_MacInnis
54 NYR Sergei_Nemchinov
53 HFD Terry_Yake
53 NYR Darren_Turcotte
52 NYI Vladimir_Malakhov
52 VAN Dixon_Ward
52 LA Tomas_Sandstrom
51 BOS Stephen_Leach
51 HFD Patrick_Poulin
51 WPG Keith_Tkachuk
50 NYI Jeff_Norton
50 MTL Denis_Savard
50 TOR John_Cullen
50 WSH Sylvain_Cote
49 NYR Ed_Olczyk
49 STL Kevin_Miller
49 BOS Dave_Poulin
49 VAN Anatoli_Semenov
49 PHI Pelle_Eklund
49 WPG Evgeny_Davydov
48 MTL Gilbert_Dionne
48 NJ John_MacLean
48 QUE Martin_Rucinsky
48 LA Alexei_Zhitnik
48 EDM Petr_Klima
48 EDM Doug_Weight
47 EDM Shayne_Corson
46 EDM Craig_Simpson
45 WSH Kelly_Miller
45 EDM Dave_Manson
44 CHI Michel_Goulet
44 MTL Mathieu_Schneider
43 DET Bob_Probert
43 CGY Paul_Ranheim
43 OTT Sylvain_Turgeon
42 MIN Mark_Tinordi
41 OTT Bob_Kudelski
41 DET Niklas_Lidstrom
41 OTT Brad_Shaw
41 EDM Todd_Elik
41 BOS Vladimir_Ruzicka
40 MIN Mike_McPhee
40 NYR Esa_Tikkanen
40 TOR Dave_Ellett
40 NJ Peter_Stastny
39 LA Corey_Millen
39 NJ Bobby_Holik
39 BUF Yuri_Khmylev
39 TB Adam_Creighton
39 TOR Wendel_Clark
38 VAN Sergio_Momesso
38 NYR Alexei_Kovalev
37 TOR Rob_Pearson
37 QUE Valery_Kamensky
37 CHI Dirk_Graham
36 NYR Brian_Leetch
36 EDM Zdeno_Ciger
35 TOR Peter_Zezel
35 BOS Ted_Donato
33 MIN Neal_Broten
33 HFD Mikael_Nylander
33 PHI Josef_Beranek
33 CHI Stephane_Matteau
32 EDM Scott_Mellanby
32 DET Keith_Primeau
32 BUF Wayne_Presley
32 NYI Brian_Mullen
32 PHI Dmitri_Yushkevich
32 MTL Gary_Leeman
31 BUF Richard_Smehlik
31 BOS Steve_Heinze
31 TOR Dmitri_Mironov
30 CHI Brian_Noonan
28 WSH Bob_Carpenter
28 SJ Pat_Falloon
27 STL Igor_Korolev
27 TB Mikael_Andersson
27 NYI Ray_Ferraro
26 BUF Petr_Svoboda
26 OTT Mark_Lamb
26 NYR James_Patrick
25 MTL Benoit_Brunet
24 NYI Scott_LaChance
24 TOR Bill_Berg
23 EDM Martin_Gelinas
23 WPG Sergei_Bautin
23 EDM Kevin_Todd
21 NYI David_Volek
21 NYI Darius_Kasparaitis
21 TB Roman_Hamrlik
21 MIN Brent_Gilchrist
20 NYR Phil_Bourque
20 DET Jim_Hiller
20 PHI Andrei_Lomakin
20 HFD Yvon_Corriveau
19 BUF Donald_Audette
18 BOS Cam_Neely
17 CHI Joe_Murphy
17 SJ Mark_Pederson
16 PIT Martin_Straka
15 NYR Peter_Andersson
13 NJ Janne_Ojanen
13 OTT Tomas_Jelinek
12 MIN Bobby_Smith
11 TB Steve_Kasper
10 SJ Ray_Whitney
9 HFD Robert_Petrovicky
9 BUF Viktor_Gordijuk
8 TOR Joe_Sacco
8 QUE Mikhail_Tatarinov
8 SJ Peter_Ahola
7 CHI Rob_Brown
7 BOS Glen_Murray
6 MIN Brian_Propp
6 HFD Tim_Kerr
5 WSH Reggie_Savage
5 LA Robert_Lang
5 STL Vitali_Prokhorov
5 DET Viacheslav_Kozlov
5 EDM Shaun_Van_Allen
4 BOS Jozef_Stumpel
4 MIN Dan_Quinn
4 PIT Bryan_Fogarty
3 MTL Olav_Petrov
3 TB Stan_Drulia
2 NJ Claude_Vilgrain
2 WSH Jason_Woolley
0 QUE Peter_Forsberg
0 WSH Brian_Sakic
0 WSH Randy_Burridge
0 MTL Patrick_Kjellberg
0 OTT Alexei_Yashin
0 EDM Dean_McAmmond
0 CGY Cory_Stillman
0 TB Brent_Gretzky
0 BUF Jason_Dawe
0 VAN Igor_Larionov
0 CHI Sergei_Krivokrasov
--
Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 | 0 |
2,204 |
Kelly Kisio was the captain of the Rangers when he left for San Jose.
-- Ali.
| 0 |
6,062 |
I agree with Nick. What's the big deal about long games? If you want
to watch baseball, there's that much more baseball to watch. And yes,
baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves.
I suspect that a lot of the complaining about long games, especially when
it's coming from TV people, has to something to do with advertising.
Probably time "wasted" in the middle of an inning, say by a batter
stepping out of the box to fiddle with his gloves, or by a pitcher
walking around behind the mound trying to collect his thoughts, could
otherwise be sold as advertising time. | 0 |
3,316 |
How do you know they can be shortened by half-an-hour? Has anybody done a
study to determine how much time is actually "wasted" -- say, in these A's
games? | 0 |
5,041 | Roger,
SHUT UP.
Thank you.
| 0 |
2,126 | from Matthew Rush:
It's pretty obvious that Holik's hitting Barrasso was an accident. He
was even apologizing for it immediately before the Penguins all jumped
on him. | 0 |
61 | I watched the game Germany-Czechs in WC today...and i was astonished about
the behaviour of the German audience!
The German team got a few penalties in the last period and the crowd went
grazy! They threw coins, extra pucks and other trash into the rink...is
that stupid or what?? I guess the Canadian referee (one of the
Isostar-bros ;) gave the German team a penalty for that, but it didn't help
much.
I guess the Germans just are proud over their Nazi-Kill-'em-All-Everyone-
But-Us-Germans-Sucks attitude...they just seem to have that kind of attitude
in every possible sport (remember the European champs in Stockholm in soccer)
It really pisses me off!
I do not mean that every single German has this attitude that sucks, but
most of them seem to do... | 0 |
520 |
Attention Penguins fans once again, apparently 99.999% of you understand that
this was just a joke (Hence the :-) next to it) but one idiot on here doesn't
as he got pissed at me and sent me two hate e-mails telling me that this is
wrong. I have no intentions of sending e-mail to anyone should the Pens win
tonight, and I really do not expect/do not intend to lead any of you to send
this poster e-mail either. It was NOT a serious request. If you didn't know
that (which you probably did) then don't do it. Thanks. | 0 |
3,530 |
Not always true. In fact, in the case of Doug Gilmour, he actually praises them.
Europeans that do those things are scum in Cherry's opinion. Canadian kids
that do them are "tough, just like a real Canadian".
Ulf Samuelsson cheap shots Mark Messier's ribs and Don wants Ulf's head. Doug
Gilmour breaks Tomas Sandstrom's arm and Don says Sandstrom had it coming.
Methinks Don is either very confused or just a bigot. Most likely the latter.
I used to like Don Cherry. I thought he was great. But I'm starting to see
his true colors (redneck) and the more I see of them, the more I think he's
just an asshole. | 0 |
3,337 | How about Brooks Robinson's last homerun ever? #268 came on 4-19-77 at
Memorial Stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning.
Larry Harlow was due up, but Brooks pinch-hit a 3-2 pitch from Dave LaRoche
into the left field bleachers for a 6-5 win. | 0 |
7,200 |
Okay, I'm curious. Why? Are you expectin the Commissioner to fly in and
stand on the pitchers mound to yell at the fans to sit down, or what?
| 0 |
1,164 |
In this morning's paper (or was it on the radio?), Vizquel was quoted as
saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still
easily thrown out Riles, that he barehanded it instead so as to make the
final play more memorable. Seems a litle cocky to me, but he made it
work so he's entitled.
--
Doug Dudgeon Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu University of Washington, Seattle | 0 |
1,612 |
I'll post my guesses to some of these and other trivia questions posted.
For most career K's with one team, if it's not Ryan, perhaps Steve Carlton.
With the Rangers, Hough was there for a long time.
In the 100 saves department...Maybe Lee Smith(he should have at least
a hundred with the Cubbies, maybe enough with either the RSox or Cards.)
Then maybe, Gossage?(NYY and SD), Fingers (MIL, OAK)
Don't know about the homers/steals dept.
In some other article,(Mets trivia), it could be Tim Leary in at least
the losing to all teams, maybe beating all of 'em too. Probably Seaver
and Koosman fit too.
And in Randy Johnson's no-hitter, I think it was Scott Bradley, the
other half of the old Mariner catching platoon, who was behind the plate
that night. | 0 |
6,406 |
Are you kidding? I'm stuck with the Toronto SkyDome, where their idea
of a 7th inning stretch is that "Blue Jays" song where everyone gets
to yell: "Okay, okay, Blue Jays, Blue Jays, Let's Play Ball!"
Wow.. what genius did it take to compose that one, to outshine the
old classic. And there are women on the field to "lead the crowd". | 0 |
1,222 |
Grant Fuhr has done this to a lot better coaches than Brian Sutter... | 0 |
3,867 |
I too think that Joseph has had a GREAT year and should be considered for the
Vezina. I think Barrasso and Joseph should be the two strongest candidates
this year. I don't believe ALL of the hype that Roy, Belfour and now Potvin
receive for their goaltending. I do think that they are great in the nets,
but I would rather have Curtis, Tommy or Fuhr in the nets during this years
playoffs. The big name tenders always seem to have a strong defense in front
of them and the goaltenders get the most credit. I would rather face 25 shots
a game, than have to rely on Joseph saving 35, but if the goalie is going to
face 35 shots, I would rather have Joseph or Barrasso facing them.
-Jay
ps Go Quebec!!! And I know that McLean and several others should be mentioned
as candidates for this years Vezina, but I am partial to Joseph and Barrasso
this season.
| 0 |
379 | Here are the standings after game 2 of each of the divisional semi-final
series.
- Andrew
USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings
Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn
1. Sneddon Scorers 77 25 (1)
2. Arctic Circles 75 25 (75)
Northern Lights 75 25 (33)
Threepeat 75 25 (19)
5. fighting amish 74 25 (161)
Team Elvis 74 25 (11)
7. chris roney 73 25 (33)
Myers Marauders 73 25 (--)
the dead ducks 73 25 (11)
10. Les Poteux 72 25 (--)
Sludge 72 25 (75)
Paige Faults 72 25 (33)
Sam & His Dogs 72 25 (33)
The Borg 72 25 (2)
Hurricane Andrew 72 25 (4)
Lewey's Lakers 72 25 (102)
Einstien's Punk Band 72 25 (9)
18. Homesick Hawaiian 71 25 (4)
Test Department 71 25 (11)
Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 71 25 (127)
Mopar Muscle Men 71 25 (33)
Jerky Boys 71 24 (4)
GB Flyers 71 25 (19)
24. Neural Netters 70 25 (102)
give you money monday 70 25 (9)
Bill McGreer 70 25 (--)
Fugazi 70 25 (33)
Detroit Homeboy 70 25 (11)
Bloom County All-Stars 70 25 (54)
DehraDun Maawalis 70 25 (75)
31. Great Expectations 69 25 (4)
PURDUE RICKS PENS 69 25 (19)
33. frank's little wankers 68 25 (33)
Jan Stein 68 25 (33)
Allez les Blues 68 25 (--)
Goaldingers 68 25 (75)
suds 68 25 (19)
weenies 68 25 (33)
A.P. BURY 68 25 (19)
Bruce's Rented Mules 68 25 (4)
41. Mind Sweepers 67 25 (33)
Mike Burger 67 25 (11)
Go Flames 67 25 (--)
garryola 67 25 (33)
The Mulberry Maulers 67 25 (75)
LIPPE 67 25 (102)
Flamming Senators 67 25 (19)
Big Bay Bombers 67 25 (102)
Milton Keynes Kings 67 25 (33)
50. Seppo Kemppainen 66 25 (19)
Freddy Beach Rockets 66 25 (--)
The Campi Machine 66 25 (19)
j's rock'em sock'ems 66 25 (75)
Sean Forbes 66 25 (19)
Tapio Repo 66 25 (11)
zachmans wingers 66 25 (19)
Zipper Heads 66 25 (11)
Canadian Gladiators 66 25 (75)
59. Teem Kanada 65 25 (33)
New Zealand Leafs 65 25 (54)
Tiger Chung Lees 65 25 (54)
Rangers Of Destiny 65 25 (33)
make beliefs 65 25 (54)
Dave Wessels 65 25 (2)
Norway Killerwhales 65 25 (54)
66. Force 25 64 25 (75)
trevor's triumph 64 25 (75)
Commitments 64 25 (141)
Skate or Die 64 25 (19)
Dog's Hog's 64 25 (33)
Delaware Destroyers 64 25 (33)
Craig team 64 25 (11)
Rangers Blow 64 25 (54)
Debbie Bowles 64 25 (19)
Mak Paranjape 64 25 (141)
Comfortably Numb 64 25 (127)
Loaded Weapons 64 25 (54)
Rob Del Mundo 64 25 (54)
Robarts Research Rebels 64 25 (54)
Fuzzfaces Galore 64 25 (19)
Houdini's Magicians 64 25 (54)
La Coupe Stainless 64 25 (141)
83. Cluster Buster 63 25 (33)
Lets Go Pandas 63 25 (102)
Tequila Shooters 63 25 (141)
Steves Superstars 63 25 (102)
Reksa fans of Oulu 63 25 (127)
Habs Playing Golf 63 25 (75)
Chris Stevens 63 25 (--)
On Thin Ice 63 25 (102)
Oakville Brothers 63 25 (33)
Jason team 63 25 (102)
smithw 63 25 (102)
94. Anson Mak 62 25 (173)
Skriko Wolves 62 25 (102)
all the kane's men 62 25 (75)
Danielle Leblanc 62 25 (127)
Team Awesome 62 25 (19)
weasels 62 25 (141)
Alf's All-Stars 62 25 (75)
Zippety Doodah 62 25 (75)
Kramer George and Jerry 62 25 (75)
Rev's Rebels 62 25 (75)
Yan Loke 62 25 (75)
Lamp Lighters 62 25 (102)
littlest giants 62 25 (75)
Mr Creosote 62 25 (75)
108. oceanweavers 61 25 (161)
Great Scott 61 25 (141)
Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 61 25 (127)
IceMachine 61 25 (102)
Hat Trick Mike 61 25 (--)
The promise land 61 25 (33)
Daves knee jerk picks 61 25 (102)
Doug Bowles 61 25 (102)
Holsteins SFB 61 25 (54)
Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 61 25 (54)
Flying pigs 61 25 (127)
Les Raisins 61 25 (102)
RENEB 61 25 (102)
Gilles Carmel 61 25 (102)
122. Boops Bets 60 25 (127)
Timo Ojala 60 25 (127)
Rednecks from Hockey Hell 60 25 (33)
gee man 60 25 (127)
FRACK ATTACK 60 25 (54)
triple X 60 25 (127)
Ulfie's 16 brothers 60 25 (--)
buffalo soldiers 60 25 (54)
Shigella 60 25 (102)
Ottawa Bearcats 60 25 (127)
Whiters 60 25 (141)
Monica Loke 60 25 (102)
Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 60 25 (33)
135. Mann Mariners 59 24 (141)
New Jersey Rob 59 25 (102)
Frasses Faceplants 59 25 (141)
Doug Mraz 59 25 (102)
Muller n Walker 59 25 (54)
High Stickers 59 25 (141)
Legzryx 59 25 (161)
Beer Makes Me An Expert 59 25 (75)
Gail Hiebert 59 25 (127)
Dean Martin 59 25 (161)
145. marcs maulers 58 25 (127)
brians bloodletters 58 25 (75)
Van Isle Colonists 58 25 (141)
Charlie Cook 58 25 (--)
Bjorkloven 58 25 (54)
Schott Shooters 58 25 (102)
Bjoern Leaguen 58 25 (75)
The Eradicators 58 25 (141)
Lord Stanley's Favourites 58 25 (141)
But Wait Theres more 58 25 (127)
Stacey Ross 58 25 (141)
156. Heikki Salmi 57 25 (54)
The Ice Kickers 57 25 (75)
Chapman Chaps 57 25 (161)
The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 57 25 (54)
The Underwriters 57 25 (54)
beam team 57 25 (176)
Dave Hiebert 57 25 (75)
Canuck Force 57 25 (176)
Evan Pritchard 57 25 (161)
Controversy Warriors 57 25 (54)
JFZ Dream Team 57 25 (141)
167. San Jose Mahi Mahi 56 25 (141)
go go gagit 56 25 (161)
goddess of fermentation 56 25 (54)
bure's blur 56 25 (141)
Louisiana Psycho Killers 56 25 (141)
East City Jokers 56 25 (102)
Tampere Salami 56 25 (176)
JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 56 25 (102)
Grant Marven 56 25 (75)
Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 56 25 (75)
Pens Dynasty 56 25 (161)
178. Chip n Dale 55 25 (189)
179. Cherry Bombers 54 25 (161)
Brian Bergman 54 25 (189)
The Goobmeister 54 25 (75)
Oz 54 25 (141)
Arm & Hammer 54 25 (161)
gax goons 54 25 (176)
Daryl Turner 54 25 (102)
186. E.I.S 53 25 (141)
BOSSE 53 25 (75)
Myllypuro Hedgehogs 53 25 (161)
Chapman Sticks 53 25 (176)
Hillside Raiders 53 25 (185)
Knights on a Power Play 53 25 (173)
192. Eldoret Elephants 52 25 (185)
Sparky's Select 52 25 (176)
Sluggo's Hosers 52 25 (173)
butt ends 52 25 (176)
196. lisa's luggers 51 25 (197)
Stanias Stars 51 25 (161)
198. Ken De Cruyenaere 49 25 (176)
199. Gary Shiff 48 25 (--)
200. JUKURIT 47 25 (176)
201. Montys Nords 45 25 (192)
Jane's World 45 25 (185)
Rolaids Required 45 25 (189)
Martin's Gag 45 25 (194)
205. Equipe Du Jour 44 25 (196)
206. Arsenal Maple Leafs 41 18 (194)
the ALarmers 41 25 (185)
208. Killer Kings 38 25 (192)
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1,141 |
Yeah I think we're used to it by now. (even if some of us do change our
.sigs to root for our second favorite teams :-)
I'll be happy if they win it before I get out of school. (the way it's going
I may be here saying Piled Higher and Deeper before long)
I have a feeling that alot of people out there may not like this statement
but......
by far the worst "band wagon" fans are the PIT fans (at least at the present).
Case in Point -- I know a guy who just came to Hockey Hell(TM) from Pitt U.
Him - "How 'bout the Pens? The're F-ing awesome"
Me - "Yeah but beating up on the Devils doesn't mean alot. Wait until
they meet Boston and/or Detroit in the Playoffs start."
Him - "When do the Playoffs start?"
Me - "Uhhhh. They started a week ago."
I'm not saying that this is true of all the Waddlers fans but there seems to
be alot of them floating around who really know nothing about hockey except
that they're newly beloved Waddlers are the best team in the game right now
and when they're not the best team those fans will disappear into the woodwork.
John
Flames >> dev/null
Serious comments welcomed.
"Eat the Rich"
| 0 |
4,607 | : >
: > On Tuesday, when it was raining in Chicago, ESPN provided
: >bonus hockey coverage. Now it seems as though some fans are ticked off
: >that the NY-Wash OT was replaced with the Angels-?? game. People must
: >realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the U.S
: >The baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so
: >they can't skip the baseball game. Why don't you people CHILL OUT
: >and enjoy whatever coverage you can get.
Well, partly because I, as an ardent fan of both sports, would rather
see Game 3 of the NHL playoffs than Game 3 of 162 of the MLB
season (even if the bb game involves the Red Sox).
ESPN may have had contractual obligations. I understand that part.
But it's a bit inaccurate to call us "selfish" just because we want
to watch the watch the game we love. Am I, as a baseball fan, "selfish"
when I get pissed a CBS for showing approximately one game per month?
I don't think so.
While, ESPN may have contractual obligations, we, as their consumers,
have a right to voice our displeasure with how they are serving us.
There's certainly nothing wrong with that. | 0 |
6,310 |
They _finally_ started going to the net! See what happens when you
create some traffic? Muller deserves full marks (what a player!),
and Damphousse finally started skating. Roy (thankyouthankyouthankyou)
was excellent. Did you see that third period save on Young? And the
defense was taking out Quebec players in the zone.
Anybody else wonder if Hextall will feel like a dweeb when he finds
out that the winning goal went in off his own D-man's skate? Whatta
suck. Although he _is_ playing really well.
Sure it does. On Sunday when the B's are golfing and the Habs are tied
2-2 you'll see what I mean! :-) :-)
| 0 |
1,158 | : That more or less says it. I flicked the Penguins game on briefly and saw
: Ulf cross-check Valeri in the face. I am wondering if Don Cherry is going to
: go off on this at all in coach's corner.
And that was the ONLY infraction of this type in the game.
Come on! Wake up! Geez He's not the only player who does this
sort of thing. I think we were kind of lucky. The game was not
really all that "chippy" considering the state NJ is in about
now.
| 0 |
6,756 |
Even I noticed that Gant's demeanor was not one of a batter
attempting to regain his concentration. Gant was stalking off.
I wonder if Gant said something to the ump?
Actually, there was a small hand wave by Gant...as if to say
'Don't bother me'. Gant may have said something here, too.
Cox was already halfway to the ump when the strike was called.
My impression was that Gant was not 'stepping out.' He was making
a protest about the lack of an appeal to first. As has been
pointed out earlier, there is no appeal to first on a strike.
I can understand Gant feeling a little pressure in a two-out,
RISP, 1 - 0 game, ninth inning. He let it get to him. The ump
also overreacted. Gant was stalking off, but I doubt he would
have been gone long. Hirschbeck should have let him have a
moment to compose himself before telling him to come bat.
IMHO, umpires should be more flexible than what Hirschbeck
showed. Gant was disturbed to the point it was pretty likely
he would not get a hit.
A very bad finish to a pretty good game. | 0 |
5,247 | Like many others I too was watching the Caps/Isles game when the went
to the baseball game. I too was pissed. How could they interupt such
an important game. I understand about contracts, but you would think they
would have a clause in the contract concerning important games!
Anyway, us BLUES (and Hawks) fans got shafted worse! While everyone
in the U.S. and watched the game on ABC. However those of us who live in
the central Illinois area were subjected to watching the Arthritus(?)
Telethon. The area that was most affected by the telecast did not get
to see the game except through HAWK VISION. This game, had it been
televised, would have been the first home Hawks game shown in the area
since 1980. This television BULL*&%$ has got to stop. We are not only
being deprived of seeing games, due to skyrocketing ticket prices, but
we are also being deprived of watching them on TV.
PEACE,
HAMMER
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3,117 |
Not only have I not heard of the Western Business School, or the University
of Western Ontario, I've never even wondered if there WAS a western
Ontario. And judging by the quality of the posts coming from there, I'm
still not sure that the place exists.
Perhaps I should be impressed, though, since it appears that grade school
children in that area have access to the Internet. | 0 |
310 | News:
=====
For the first time all season, the Flames are now injury-free. The only player
remaining on the limp is center Carey Wilson who, even when healthy, is not
a major part of the team.
Trent Yawney did not score a goal all season until the last regular season
game against San Jose. He potted his first of the year in that game, and has
also scored goals in both Game 1 and Game 2 against Los Angeles.
Thoughts on Game 1:
==================
The Flames played horribly in dropping the first game of their series with
Los Angeles 6-3 on Sunday afternoon. They seemed more interested in throwing
big hits than in scoring goals. They physically dominated the Kings, but that
was the only area they dominated in. The game plan was to rush the net and
try and take advantage of a young, inexperienced L.A. defence and the shaky
Kings goaltending, but those plans fell by the wayside while the Flames
conducted a steady march to the penalty box. Particularily stupid was Theoren
Fleury taking a five minute major and a game misconduct for slamming Warren
Rychel's face into the dasher while Rychel was on his knees.
Goaltender Mike Vernon played well and could not really be faulted for the
loss, despite his well-publicized poor record in afternoon games. He got
very little support from his defence in clearing the front of the net and
sweeping away rebounds. In fact, Marty McSorley's goal actually went in off
Chris Dahlquist's skate in front of the net.
Thoughts on Game 2:
==================
The Flames came back strong in the second game, evidently aware of the
potentially fatal consequences of losing both the first two games on home ice.
The first period was fairly even, with the edge going to the Kings. But Calgary
came out strong in the second period and simply dominated the Kings, scoring
five goals to take a lead they never relinquished en route to a 9-4 win.
The deciding factors in this game were faceoffs and special teams. Calgary
dominated on faceoffs as they did in Game 1, but they were able to make better
use of the won faceoffs in this game than they did in the first one. Calgary
also went 3-for-5 on the powerplay while L.A. only went 1-for-8 and gave up
a shorthanded goal to Joel Otto. L.A.'s powerplay goal also came late in the
game with the outcome already decided. The Kings' powerplay failed them when
they needed it most, in the 1st and 2nd periods.
The Flames lost RW Greg Paslawski with a suspected shoulder injury when he
was leveled by Alexei Zhitnik right after scoring Calgary's 7th goal. Charlie
Huddy left the game for the Kings with a groin injury.
The game was marred by stupidity in the last minute. First, Craig Berube of
Calgary took a five-minute major for fighting plus a game misconduct for
instigating when he went after Tony Granato for no apparent reason. Granato
drew a minor for some strange reason. (Turtling perhaps). This was followed
30 seconds later by Warren Rychel drawing a major, minor, and game misconduct
for hitting Frank Musil in the face with his stick and then instigating a
fight. Musil got a fighting major for some similarily strange reason. Hardy and
Yawney went toe-to-toe and both got double minors. (Gregson thought that Musil
turtling amounted to fighting, but that Yawney and Hardy throwing punches at
each other was just roughing? Where's this guy from.....)
Upcoming games:
==============
Friday April 23, at L.A.
Sunday April 25, at L.A.
Tuesday April 27, home to L.A.
Thursday April 29, at L.A. (if necessary)
Saturday May 1, home to L.A. (if necessary)
Injuries:
========
C Carey Wilson, indefinite with recurring knee injuries (Dec 10)
1992-93 Calgary Flames final regular season statistics.
========================================================
# Pos. Name GP G A Pts +/- PIM
===============================================================================
14 RW Theoren Fleury 83 34 66 100 +14 88
26 C Robert Reichel 80 40 48 88 +25 54
20 D Gary Suter 81 23 58 81 -1 112
10 LW Gary Roberts 58 38 41 79 +32 172
25 C Joe Nieuwendyk 79 38 37 75 +9 52
42 RW Sergei Makarov 71 18 39 57 0 40
2 D Al MacInnis 50 11 43 54 +15 61
29 C Joel Otto 75 19 33 54 +2 150
28 LW Paul Ranheim 83 21 22 43 -4 26
23 RW Greg Paslawski 73 18 24 42 +3 12
22 RW Ron Stern 70 10 15 25 +4 207
15 LW Brent Ashton 58 10 13 23 +11 52
11 LW Chris Lindberg 62 9 12 21 -3 18
34 D Roger Johansson 77 4 16 20 +13 62
18 D Trent Yawney 63 1 16 17 +9 67
3 D Frank Musil 80 6 10 16 +28 131
39 C Brian Skrudland 39 7 7 14 +4 65
16 LW Craig Berube 77 4 8 12 -6 209
7 D Michel Petit 35 3 9 12 -5 54
4 D Kevin Dahl 61 2 9 11 +9 56
33 C Carey Wilson (I) 22 4 7 11 +10 8
5 D Chris Dahlquist 74 3 7 10 0 66
21 D Alexander Godynyuk 27 3 4 7 +6 19
19 RW Todd Harkins 15 2 3 5 -4 22
12 LW Paul Kruse 27 2 3 5 +2 41
35 G Jeff Reese 26 0 4 4 0 4
6 D Greg Smyth 35 1 2 3 +2 95
30 G Mike Vernon 64 0 2 2 0 42
27 RW Thomas Forslund 6 0 2 2 0 0
?? C Shawn Heaphy 1 0 0 0 0 2
?? LW Patrick Lebeau 1 0 0 0 0 0
1 G Andrei Trefilov 1 0 0 0 0 2 | 0 |
3,803 | If there is a "USA Today ftp site" could someone please post it to the
newsgroup so everyone will stop posting the "send it to me too" articles.
I'm sure many people woulds like to know so why not just post it to the net
rather than mailing hundreds of people.
Just a thought.
Thanks, Ryan Robin. | 0 |
101 | In <1993Apr21.211038.12363@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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1,583 |
For those of you who complain about Don Cherry, and wonder why he is
popular...
the reply is Dick Vitale and John Madden and Bobby Knight and
Joe Garagiola and Howard Cosell.
John Madden picks Gary Clark of the Redskins for his All-Madden team
a lot, over much better receivers...for much the same reasons Cherry
sings the praises of Doug Gilmour...a little guy with heart...yet one
doesn't see a string of American posts saying that John Madden has
lost his marbles.
Dick Vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or
that college with outrageous statements.
Why should Americans expect that Canada would not have such characters
in relation to our greatest passion...which is hockey? Canadians
are very similar to Americans...culturally our sports are just hockey
and curling, whereas with Americans it is football/basketball/baseball
and bowling. | 0 |
6,092 |
^^^^^^^
^^^^
Please pardon my ignorance if this is well known, but what is the current
rule?
Maybe we could limit the number of throws to first that the pitcher can make,
and award a balk if he exceeds it. I'd have another question: who would
operate the pitch clock? One of the umpires? Add another one to the crew?
I'm not sure I like this idea. I think it would severely diminish the
number of stolen bases and limit the availability of such neat strategic
ploys as the hit and run and the squeeze play (one of my personal favorites).
Ahhh! I suppose I should read the whole article before I hit the 'f' key,
eh? Obviously, from what I wrote above, I like this idea.
It may also increase the number of wild throws to the bag, since the
pitcher knows he doesn't have very many chances to pick off the runner,
so he may hurry too much. I'd rather see runs scored as the result of
sound hitting and sound baseball strategy rather than on the sloppiness
that could result from this kind of rule. So, I suppose there are some
disadvantages to that idea too.
I remember in little league, if when up to bat we stepped out of the batter's
box, even for a moment, we were automatically out. That may be a little
harsh for the majors, but seriously, how about putting a limit on the
batters being able to step out, take several dozen practice swings, pound
their shoes, scratch their balls, etc.? Maybe forcing them to stay in the
batter's box wouldn't be such a bad idea. That could save a few minutes.
| 0 |
7,157 | fans into the game but surely they would rather see Broten taking a pass from
Kovalev and scoring a breakaway goal to put the Rangers up 3 (magic #) goals in
the third period, rather than seeing Kocur take another stupid penalty and the
Rangers giving up another powerplay goal!
The Rangers need another top flight center who can take the pressure off
Messier and the first line. Nemchinov is a perfect third line center.
So who goes Beezer or Richter? | 0 |
6,242 | While I will first congratulate the Blues for their victory, I think it must
be realized that the primary reason the Blues were able to win was Curtis
Joseph. When a goalkeeper gets hot, there is little an opposing team can do.
Joseph should be given the entire city of St. Louis, because otherwise there
would probably be a game 6 scheduled.
As for the game on Sunday. The Blues caught a few breaks, without a doubt.
One was the Referee constantly watching the Blackhawks, looking for reasons to
give them penalties. Second, The Blues first goal resulted because the puck
hit the linesman as the Blackhawks attempted to clear. No linesman, no shot
for Brett(I can redirect anything)Hull to redirect. On another of St. Louis'
goals, Belfour was tripped from behind as he went to make the save by someone
who didn't belong in the crease, which means it was a St. Louis player.
Finally, the overtime goal was caused because someone kept Belfour from getting back to the crease. No goalie, no way to stop the shot.
I congratulate St. Louis for beating the Hawks. It will be a shame to see
Bryan Murray finally advance to the Campbell Conference Finals because Joseph
won't be able to stop the powerful Red Wing attack.
____________________________________________________________________________ | 0 |
4,548 | : In article <34592@oasys.dt.navy.mil> odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'farmer
: >I am not quite sure of the reasons, but the old man was certainly
: >not "enraptured" by ole Harry.
: But maybe his wife was :-)
: I don't claim to know whether it's true or not, but a couple different
: people (totally unrelated) have said Harry was 'relieved' of his duties
: because he had more than platonic relations with Augie Busch's wife.
: Judgement is left to the individual, cuz I sure don't claim to be an
: impeachable source in this case.
Among those who have said it (well, not quite SAID it but certainly
alluded to it) is Bing Devine, Redbird GM or some other administrator at
the time. I heard Bing speak about it at last year's SABR National.
BTW, have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this year's
SABR National in San Diego? I'll be there...
-- | 0 |
554 |
Considering how often and how badly he has slammed the Pens on Coach's
Corner on Hockey Night in Canada, it would surprise me as well. But then,
people will do anything for money, won't they?
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5,746 | Disclaimer -- This is for fun.
In my computerized baseball game, I keep track of a category called
"stolen hits", defined as a play made that "an average fielder would not
make with average effort." Using the 1992 Defensive Averages posted
by Sherri Nichols (Thanks Sherri!), I've figured out some defensive stats
for the leftfielders. Hits Stolen have been redefined as "Plays Kevin
Bass would not have made."
OK, I realize that's unfair. Kevin's probably the victim of pitching staff,
fluke shots, and a monster park factor. But let's put it this way: If we
replaced every leftfielder in the league with someone with Kevin's 49.4% out
making ability, how many extra hits would go by?
To try and correlate it to reality a little more, I've calculated Net
Hits Stolen, based on the number of outs made compared to what a league
average fielder would make. By the same method I've calculated Net Extra
Bases (doubles and triples let by).
Finally, I throw all this into a a formula I call Defensive Contribution, or
DCON :->. Basically, it represents the defensive contribution of a player.
I add this number to OPS to get DOPS (Defense + Onbase Plus Slug), which
should represent the player's total contribution to the team. So don't
take it too seriously. The formula for DCON appears at the end of this
article.
The short version -- definition of terms
HS -- Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to Kurt Stillwell
NHS -- Net Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to average fielder
NDP -- Net Double Plays -- Extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder
NEB -- Net Extra Bases -- Extra bases prevented compared to avg. fielder
DCON -- Defensive Contribution -- bases and hits prevented, as a rate.
DOPS -- DCON + OPS -- quick & dirty measure of player's total contribution.
National League
Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS
Gonzalez, L. 63 28 20 .192 .866
Gilkey, B. 52 23 14 .150 .941
Clark, G. 46 11 11 .065 .726
Alou, M. 20 3 12 .052 .835
Bonds, B. 54 9 -7 .019 1.099
May, D. 21 0 -7 -.020 .659
Gant, R. 31 -5 -2 -.021 .715
Bass, K. 0 -24 -4 -.126 .600
Ordered by DOPS
1.099 Bonds
.941 Gilkey
.866 Gonzalez
.835 Alou
.726 Clark
.718 *NL Average*
.715 Gant
.659 May
.600 Bass
American League
---------------
Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS
Raines, T. 53 22 20 .111 .896
Anderson, B. 65 30 8 .102 .924
Henderson, R. 43 20 4 .101 .984
Vaughn, G. 55 27 -3 .095 .817
Gladden, D. 25 4 8 .038 .699
Hall, M. 29 6 -2 .017 .756
Mack, S. 38 6 -8 .005 .866
Polonia, L. 10 -11 10 -.019 .647
McReynolds, K. 13 -8 -9 -.064 .711
Maldanado, C. 9 -21 -12 -.105 .714
Reimer, K. 5 -18 -16 -.102 .671
Order by DOPS
.984 Henderson
.924 Anderson
.896 Raines
.866 Mack
.817 Vaughn
.756 Hall
.733 *AL Average*
.714 Maldanado
.711 McReynolds
.699 Gladden
.671 Reimer
.647 Polonia
More discussion --
DCON formula: ((NHS + NDP)/PA) + ((NHS + NDP + NEB)/AB)
Why such a bizzare formula? Basically, it's designed to be added into the
OPS, with the idea that "a run prevented is as important as a run scored".
The extra outs are factored into OBP, while the extra bases removed are
factored into SLG. That's why I used PA and AB as the divisors.
For more discussion see the post on Hits Stolen -- First Base 1992
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Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
3,547 | above
Robinson's
average.
the
easliy
REAL stats
water boy!
tons
Check your facts....Andre dawson's career Slugging pct is in the .480's
So is Winny's I would like to see your facts. Winny has probably done
better than 129 points above with a carrer SLG of 480. Check on more
important stats. DEFENSE, and HEART. BATTING AVERAGE. RBI's | 0 |
795 |
Yes, but
(a) we were talking about peak level, not career averages
and
(b) Clemente was the best fielding RF of all time, as far
as anyone can tell
I did a quick scan last night, looking for players with a peak comparable
to or better than Winfield. In my quick-n-dirty subjective judgement, you
could make good cases for Ruth, Aaron, Ott, Robinson, Clemente, Kaline,
Maris, Klein, Jackson, Waner, and probably a few others. This is not a
knock on Winfield, but a comment on his consistency: all of those other
players had awesome stretches and very good stretches, while Winfield has
been more uniformly excellent. Hall of Fame? Absolutely. Top-10 peak?
I'm not so sure. Top 10 total career value? Yes, almost certainly.
| 0 |
4,445 |
Not nearly as angry as I was to have set the VCR yesterday only to get
home to find the Bruins VS Buffalo - that's what I get for reading the
TV section and not the sports section for what game will be aired.
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521 | 0 | |
696 |
I've only ever seen this called once. Back around 1979-1980. I think
that Steve Carlton was pitching. On the other hand, I am not sure how
much effect this would have. It seems that most of the time lost is
when there are runners on base and the rule does not cover this.
I have wondered why a pitcher is given 8 pitches when he enters the
game. Let's be serious. The relief pitcher has normally been
throwing out in the bullpen for a few minutes. Does he really need 8
more pitches?
| 0 |
1,946 | NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT KIND OF HAPPY GRASS YOU ARE SMOKING? MAYBE YOU SHOULD SHARE SOME WITH ME.
FIRST OF ALL, LOU GEHRIG IS THE GREATEST FIRST BASEMAN EVER. JIMMIE FOXX IS
CLEARLY THE NEXT BEST FIRST BASEMAN EVER. HE COULD BE THE GREATEST FIRST
BASEMAN OF THE YANKEES IN THE MODERN ERA. TO PUT HIM IN THIS "BEST IN THE
HISTORY OF BASEBALL" IS QUITE HUMOROUS, VERY SILLY, AND TOTALLY OFF THE LINE.
| 0 |
4,691 |
Yes, that's him. Was I not specific enough?
Just because someone consistently pulls the ball does not mean that
they have a quick bat. Dawson's release is slow, and he *IS* 38, after
all. He may swing early, and rotate his hips so that he hits the ball to
the left side all the time, but he swings slowly.
As for me disagreeing with Peter Gammons... Whoa! That's never happened
before! Next thing you know, I'll probably believe Dave Campbell is the
biggest imbecile even to come near a mic, and that Ray Knight has
the IQ of drained crankcase oil.
| 0 |
4,346 | As a guess, Hamilton would be put into the Midwest, with either
Winnipeg or Dallas moving to the Pacific. | 0 |
5,815 |
M(--> were doomed to 4'th in the division. I'm still not convinced the
M(--> Sabres will win this series (I've lived in Buffalo all my life, and
M(--> these last 10 years have been playoff Hell), but I'm just sitting
M(--> back, crossing my fingers and hoping the offense can keep scoring
Have no fear, Doug, the Bruins are toast. Statistically, only 2 teams
in **all** the Stanley Cup series ever played have come back to win.
And it couldn't have happened to a nicer team, with all the crowing
from Boston fans I've had to endure over the last month.
Take heart, Bruins fans. At least you finished first in the Adams
<sinister chuckle>.
- Jack
* Laugh and the world thinks you're an idiot. | 0 |
1,132 |
Well, it looks like, just as Doug trumped Tim, beating him to the net
with his defensive analyses, so Tim has gotten in ahead of me.
The way I was doing it was a little different. Being me, of course, I
used equivalent averages to work out how many runs a player was worth,
and I calculated both rate of performance (fielding equivalent
average) and total performance (fielding equivalent runs). But I
compared, not to the average player, but the replacement player, and
here's why: because the positional adjustment comes built in to the
system. In the AL of 1992, the average SS is 32.9 runs above
replacement (RAR); cf, 31.6; 2B, 28.8; 3B, 26.3; LF, 26.0; RF, 24.6;
1B, 16.9. We may quibble with the exact numbers, but the order looks
substantially right.
In the equivalent average, I have always set league average to .235. I
had decided in hitting that the replacement level batter has an eqa of
.180; the name of that replacement level hitter, often as not, is
"Billy Ripken". I decided to let the replacement level fielder be the
same distance from .235 as .180, but in the opposite direction as I
have set it up; that makes for an eqa of .280. (Yes, I can add. Runs
are proportional to eqa squared; the difference between 180 squared
and 235 squared equals the difference to 279 squared, and I rounded
off for simplicity). An all-replacement fielding team would have:
Randy Milligan at first (.282), Willie Randolph (.269) at second, Leo
Gomez (.279) at third, Walt Weiss (.269) at short, Kevin Bass (.271)
in left, HoJo (.257) in center, and Eric Anthony (.277) in right. Ugh.
So, the total number of RAR for a player is the sum of his batting and
fielding RAR. I can rate them by total RAR, or RAR per some number of
batting outs, like 400. An average player has a total RAR of about 55,
30 batting, 25 fielding.
Total RAR (bat/field)
1. Bonds 152 (124/28) Ventura 124 (66/58)
2. Sandberg 143 (88/55) Thomas 122 (110/12)
3. Van Slyke 122 (91/31) Anderson 109 (75/34)
4. Grace 114 (70/44) Raines 100 (68/32)
5. Lankford 111 (76/35) Puckett 98 (76/22)
6. Pendleton 108 (71/37) Alomar 98 (75/23)
7. Finley 104 (70/34) Martinez E 97 (81/16)
8. Bagwell 101 (73/28) Mack 93 (70/23)
9. Butler 96 (74/22) McGwire 93 (79/14)
10 Sheffield 96 (85/11) Griffey 92 (70/22)
11 Larkin 96 (65/31) Devereaux 89 (56/34)
12 Grissom 95 (57/38) Henderson 88 (66/23)
13 Walker 94 (61/33) Listach 87 (50/37)
14 Justice 92 (52/40) Lofton 85 (46/39)
15 W. Clark 91 (73/18) Baerga 83 (55/28)
16 Kruk 82 (78/ 4) D. White 79 (39/40)
17 O. Smith 80 (46/34) Palmeiro 76 (54/22)
18 Gwynn 80 (47/33) Sierra 76 (52/24)
19 Hollins 80 (68/12) Carter 73 (57/17)
20 J. Bell 79 (42/37) Gonzalez 73 (60/13)
Notable entries in a per-400 batting out rating, NL: top 7 are Bonds,
177, LF; Sandberg, 130, 2b; Van Slyke, 114, cf; Grace, 107, 1b;
Larkin, 102, ss; Justice, 99, rf; Sheffield, 99, 3B. One at each
position measured! McGriff, despite +85 batting RAR, fifth in league,
finishes out of the top 20 due to a -13 in fielding. Last by position:
Galarraga 39, Stillwell -10, Hansen 30, Belliard 30 (Blauser gad a 69,
3rd in league), May 43, Dascenzo 34, Anthony 38.
In the AL, much-maligned Rickey Henderson was worth 120, second only
to Frank Thomas' 124; Ventura edges Edgar at third, 116-111; Grebeck
rates a potent 102!; Griffey edges Puckett as top CF, 93-90; Listach
nudges out Lofton among rookies, 82-80. And Alomar clearly outpoints
Baerga, 97-73. Last by position: Segui 10, Sojo 29, Palmer 22, Lewis
31, Polonia 40, Cuyler 26, V. Hayes 39.
All for now. | 0 |
5,928 | Disclaimer -- This is for fun.
In my computerized baseball game, I keep track of a category called
"stolen hits", defined as a play made that "an average fielder would not
make with average effort." Using the 1992 Defensive Averages posted
by Sherri Nichols (Thanks Sherri!), I've figured out some defensive stats
for the centerfielders. Hits Stolen have been redefined as "Plays Juan
Gonzalez would not have made."
OK, I realize that's unfair. Juan's probably the victim of pitching staff,
fluke shots, and a monster park factor. But let's put it this way: If we
replaced every centerfielder in the league with someone with Kevin's 55.4% out
making ability, how many extra hits would go by?
To try and correlate it to reality a little more, I've calculated Net
Hits Stolen, based on the number of outs made compared to what a league
average fielder would make. By the same method I've calculated Net Extra
Bases (doubles and triples let by).
Finally, I throw all this into a a formula I call Defensive Contribution, or
DCON :->. Basically, it represents the defensive contribution of a player.
I add this number to OPS to get DOPS (Defense + Onbase Plus Slug), which
should represent the player's total contribution to the team. So don't
take it too seriously. The formula for DCON appears at the end of this
article.
The short version -- definition of terms
HS -- Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to Kurt Stillwell
NHS -- Net Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to average fielder
NDP -- Net Double Plays -- Extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder
NEB -- Net Extra Bases -- Extra bases prevented compared to avg. fielder
DCON -- Defensive Contribution -- bases and hits prevented, as a rate.
DOPS -- DCON + OPS -- quick & dirty measure of player's total contribution.
National League
Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS
Nixon, O. 34 12 15 .083 .777
Grissom, M. 48 18 12 .072 .812
Jackson, D. 46 13 20 .060 .735
Lewis, D. 25 8 -6 .029 .596
Dykstra, L. 25 5 -5 .013 .794
Dascenzo, D. 10 -5 10 .001 .616
Finley, S. 32 -2 2 -.003 .759
Lankford, R. 39 4 -12 -.007 .844
Martinez, D. 21 5 -16 -.017 .660
VanSlyke, A. 30 -4 -17 -.040 .846
Sanders, R. 7 -10 -4 -.059 .759
Butler, B. 1 -29 5 -.088 .716
Johnson, H. 3 -12 -19 -.118 .548
Ordered by DOPS
.846 VanSlyke
.844 Lankford
.812 Grissom
.794 Dykstra
.777 Nixon
.759 Finley
.759 Sanders
.735 Jackson
.730 *NL Average*
.716 Butler
.660 Martinez
.616 Dascenzo
.596 Lewis
.548 Johnson
American League
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Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS
Lofton, K. 57 32 17 .220 .947
Wilson, W. 47 26 0 .125 .787
White, D. 52 25 28 .119 .812
Felix, J. 22 0 32 .063 .713
Devereaux, M. 43 16 0 .047 .832
McRae, H. 38 11 -1 .038 .631
Yount, R. 31 8 -3 .022 .737
Kelly, R. 13 -6 -3 -.025 .681
Johnson, L. 23 -5 -13 -.040 .641
Griffey, K. 15 -9 -12 -.052 .844
Puckett, K. 13 -13 -15 -.063 .801
Cuyler, M. 6 -10 -6 -.088 .503
Gonzalez, J. 0 -21 -15 -.095 .738
Order by DOPS
.947 Lofton
.844 Griffey
.832 Devereaux
.812 White
.801 Puckett
.787 Wilson
.738 Gonzalez
.737 Yount
.713 Felix
.709 *AL Average*
.681 Kelly
.641 Johnson
.631 McRae
.503 Cuyler
More discussion --
DCON formula: ((NHS + NDP)/PA) + ((NHS + NDP + NEB)/AB)
Why such a bizzare formula? Basically, it's designed to be added into the
OPS, with the idea that "a run prevented is as important as a run scored".
The extra outs are factored into OBP, while the extra bases removed are
factored into SLG. That's why I used PA and AB as the divisors.
For more discussion see the post on Hits Stolen -- First Base 1992
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2,732 | Only if you are in the eastern time zone - pacific will get the
Kings vs Calgary
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378 |
The major problem with this analysis is that it ignores age. Even if
Morris were performing as well as Clemens right now, and were likely to
this season, nobody would trade Clemens for Morris straight up because
Clemens has more of his career left. | 0 |
3,542 |
Yes. It was the strangest series I have ever watched. And the ending
fit perfectly. | 0 |
3,963 | Since Roger is a Canadian who probably knows nothing about baseball
I am gonna try to explain it to him in terms of hockey...
according to his logic...
I can say that since 1988...Bob Errey is better than Wayne Gretzky
hey...Errey contributed to 2 Cups while good old Wayne has won nothing...
(I think the Kings should trade Gretzky for Errey....what do you think Roger?) | 0 |
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4,491 | I was asked to post the team log of this year's winning team in the regular
season draft. Here 'tis:
%begin Dave_Wessels
...reading team 'Dave_Wessels' from database
%log all
Team log:
Name Team Points Value Bought Week Sold Week
Trevor Linden VAN 72 72.0 78.8 pre 70.4 10
Cliff Ronning VAN 85 85.0 74.6 pre 97.8 6
Robert Reichel CGY 88 88.0 58.9 pre 51.4 8
Pat Verbeek HFD 82 82.0 63.0 pre 64.3 7
Pat Falloon SJ 28 28.0 62.7 pre 46.8 7
John MacLean NJ 48 48.0 55.0 pre 27.5 7
Eric Lindros PHI 75 75.0 55.0 pre 105.0 6
Rick Tocchet PIT 109 109.0 81.2 pre 106.9 9
Greg Adams VAN 56 56.0 63.0 pre 93.8 8
Mike Ricci QUE 78 78.0 60.3 pre 79.8 6
Joe Juneau BOS 102 102.0 55.0 pre 110.9 6
Kevin Hatcher WSH 79 79.0 57.4 pre 54.6 6
Teemu Selanne WPG 132 132.0 55.0 pre 109.2 6
Pavel Bure VAN 110 110.0 77.5 pre 108.9 8
Dixon Ward VAN 52 52.0 55.0 pre 61.2 7
Russ Courtnall MIN 79 79.0 60.7 6 84.6 14
Darren Turcotte NYR 53 53.0 60.7 6 72.1 14
Christian Ruuttu CHI 54 54.0 61.9 6 52.2 13
Petr Nedved VAN 71 71.0 59.3 6 84.5 12
Petr Klima EDM 48 48.0 65.3 6 -- --
Tony Granato LA 82 82.0 56.0 6 75.6 12
Steve Duchesne QUE 82 82.0 88.7 6 92.2 13
Alexander Mogilny BUF 127 127.0 103.8 6 118.8 14
Ray Sheppard DET 66 66.0 55.0 7 63.0 15
Steve Larmer CHI 70 70.0 64.9 7 79.7 17
Vincent Damphousse MTL 97 97.0 64.9 7 94.5 15
Tony Amonte NYR 76 76.0 63.0 7 63.0 16
Brendan Shanahan STL 94 94.0 55.0 8 -- --
Corey Millen LA 39 39.0 55.0 8 48.9 16
Johan Garpenlov SJ 66 66.0 55.0 8 55.9 15
Kelly Kisio SJ 78 78.0 63.0 8 72.3 15
Pat Elynuik WSH 57 57.0 57.0 9 56.7 16
Benoit Hogue NYI 75 75.0 61.6 10 74.3 20
Pat Flatley NYI 60 60.0 55.0 11 59.9 18
Rod Brind'Amour PHI 86 86.0 74.1 12 81.0 19
Michal Pivonka WSH 74 74.0 55.0 12 -- --
Joe Mullen PIT 70 70.0 55.0 12 -- --
John Cullen TOR 50 50.0 55.0 13 55.7 19
Stephane Richer NJ 73 73.0 55.0 13 61.8 19
Jeff Norton NYI 50 50.0 64.0 14 56.3 20
Glenn Anderson TOR 65 65.0 55.0 14 -- --
Ray Bourque BOS 82 82.0 65.6 14 -- --
Bernie Nicholls NJ 60 60.0 72.8 14 67.8 20
Andrew Cassels HFD 85 85.0 56.0 14 -- --
Dmitri Kvartalnov BOS 72 72.0 82.1 15 -- --
Tomas Sandstrom LA 52 52.0 59.7 15 43.6 22
Joe Sakic QUE 105 105.0 109.6 15 -- --
Rob Blake LA 59 59.0 59.5 16 -- --
Derek King NYI 76 76.0 68.3 16 70.9 22
Michel Goulet CHI 44 44.0 55.0 16 45.4 23
Mike Modano MIN 93 93.0 90.5 17 -- --
Dmitri Khristich WSH 67 67.0 55.0 18 -- --
Alexander Semak NJ 79 79.0 62.6 19 -- --
Nikolai Borschevsky TOR 74 74.0 69.3 19 -- --
Mike Donnelly LA 69 69.0 70.5 19 -- --
Jeff Brown STL 78 78.0 69.1 20 -- --
Thomas Steen WPG 72 72.0 55.0 20 -- --
Kevin Dineen PHI 63 63.0 55.5 20 -- --
Mario Lemieux PIT 160 160.0 134.9 22 -- --
Wayne Gretzky LA 65 65.0 55.0 23 -- --
You have 1.9 cash points.
As of week 28, your team is placed 1 (of 262 teams).
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6,536 |
I agree. I'll delete more as well.
Still, if the 'whispers' reached San Francisco, it is certainly possible they
were stronger elsewhere. Also, it was teammates making the aspersions. In any
event, I know of no other player to be maligned in the last couple years.
Uh, the original author's point was that black and white players were por-
trayed differently by "the media", and towards this, he gave a highly selected
list to "prove" his case. Sanders' name showed up eventually. I dispute that
Sanders has ever been called lazy by "the media".
Uh, that poster specifically stated "allow me to be the first". It is NOT a
quibble, then, to state that "the media" did not portray Canseco as being
lazy. If the other person chooses to so accuse him, after my post, that does not
make it a quibble. And in fact, the media around here tend(ed) to play up his
time in the wieght room. Hardly "lazy", and hardly a "quibble". Have you ever
seen any "mediot" portray Canseco as "lazy"? Unconcerned with his fielding, yes.
Lazy, no.
Well, Canseco has been involved in several felonies, including his high-speed
record, carrying concealed fire-arms, and of course the domestic violence.
Clemens had a run-in at a bar. Canseco had that, as well, and in both cases, the
coverage was relatively minimal.
Uh, if the only evidence offered is anecdotal, how can it be objected that the
counter to it is also anecdotal?
Uh, yes, and I agree with your assesment of Boggs, rather specifically. However,
you did say "everybody who has ever won a batting title" has been accused of
selfishness. I have not ever, anywhere, heard this said of Puckett. Pendleton,
either. Similarly, Brett, B Williams, and others.
There are others. Perhaps they are simply not as outspoken, except in the
case of the "born-again" types I mention. | 0 |
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1,772 |
Grant Fuhr rules! -). | 0 |
2,794 |
You are absolutely correct. Braves fans are nothing but a bunch of
bandwagoners. Correct me if I am wrong, but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give
away a ticket to see the Braves play.I would bet my next paycheck that 80% of
the so-called Braves fans living outside of Georgia at the present time can not
name more than 3 players from their 1988 season. On the other hand, ask any
Cubs fan living anywhere in the United States to name 3 players from any given
year and 80% of them probably could.
Granted, the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park, but
that does not mean they diserve the title "America's Team"
The only reason they are considered America's team is because of Ted
Turner and his little TV station which broadcasts across the nation.
I'll consider Toronto AMerica's team before the Braves
GO REDS!
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7,137 | Minor correction: Hartley came in the West trade to Phily. Deshaies signed
as a free agent ($1.7M over 2 years). He pitched for San Diego last year.
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Regards, | 0 |
4,195 |
Them thar's fighting words...hardly a force...geez...miss the playoffs
once in 15 years, and even after making the final four 3 times in the
last five years, and everyone thinks its doomsville.
Fedorov, Primeau, Kozlov, Lidstrom, Sillinger, Konstantinov, Drake,
Kennedy, Racine, and Cheveldae were already in the pipeline due to
Devellano...Murray inherited these guys...in addition to Yzerman,
Probert, Carson, Chiasson, etc.
No...Quinn had far less...Murray took over Detroit at a time to
take advantage of all of Devellano's good drafting...if Devellano
had not given in to Demers request to make the Oates trade, he might
still be GM. | 0 |
2,784 |
Generally I agree with you. However, (1) last night ESPN cut away to Baseball
Tonite, which looks like SportsCenter tailored to baseball, and they cut
away at 7:40 pacific. That's quite a contract they have there. (2) if
ESPN couldn't deliver, they should have had a transistion plan to
let SportsChannel pick up the slack.
Nonetheless, it is ultimately the fault of the US-American public that regular
season baseball has precedence over playoff hockey in the U.S.
Support your team; support your game.
Somebody in r.s.h. had an excellent idea that we should write Chrysler
to thank them for supporting hockey with their ads and that we would
consider their products. Here's an equally excellent idea, watch
baseball for 10 minutes (I know I'm asking a lot, but that's what spew
bags are for), write down who is advertising, and write them letters
complaining that they are supporting baseball to your displeasure and
that you won't consider buying their products because of it. | 0 |
467 | To encourage the great tradition of Red Sox negativism, I am having a
contest to predict the magnitude of the Sox' fall from their current
heights. You must decide first, whether the Sox will be at .500 again
at any time during this year. Then you must predict either:
(1) Their record the first time they're at .500, if they are, or
(2) Their final record, if they stay above .500 the rest of the year.
So Valentine's earlier prediction would go as "13-13" (resend it if you
were serious, Val!).
ESPN pointed out last night that the last Sox start better than this was
in 1952, when they finished 76-78, in sixth place.
So email me your guess, either at "barring@cs.washington.edu" or directly
replying to this post.
Entries close 5 pm PDT on Wed 28 Apr 1993. | 0 |
2,546 | +>
+> Recently, I heard the Red Sox on WROL a Spanish-speaking radio station.
+>I thought it was so unreal. The Red Sox in Spanish? Anyway, I want to find
+>out how widespread this is? Being a NY native, I know the scMets are on in
+>Spanish but not the Yankmes. I wuold think that LA,SD,Texas and Fla are on
+>in Spanish. Are there any Spanish-speaking networks or is this a local
The braves day games are broadcast is Spanish on a station called "La
Favorita". (the station has a daytime liscence only). | 0 |
4,698 |
The top 11 teams of this tournament will play in the Olympics next year.
The last team of this tournament, top two of pool B (Great Britain and
Poland) and the winner of pool C (Latvia) will play for the last Olympic
spot next fall.
However, if next year's hosts Norway were to finish 12th (which would be
no surprise), then it's the 11th team of pool A that will have to play in
the qualification tournament. | 0 |
6,680 | The Jets gave the Canucks another run for their money in an almost
identical game to the first of the series but once again came up short as
Vancouver outscored Winnipeg 3-2.
The pattern of the first game was repeated tonight, with the Canucks
scoring quickly and then going to sleep in the second period, only to stave
off a Jet comeback with opportune goals from their greater talent. The Jets
looked more dangerous in this one but it didn't make a difference in the
numbers that counted: goals.
Vancouver's big line produced again, with centre Cliff Ronning and
left winger Geoff Courtnall scoring in the first and in the second to
boost the Canucks to a 2-0 lead on giveaways by the suspect Jet defence of
Bautin and Ulanov. Mental lapses by the defence and goal-scoring talent
in opportune areas made the difference in all three Canuck goals.
However, as in the first game, the Jets worked hard to take the
game to the Canucks in the second period. The Jets dominated the second,
checking hard and penetrating the Vancouver zone without being challenged
by a Canuck team that wanted to pack it in early.
The hard work paid off late in the second, when Tie Domi caught
Vancouver goalie Kirk McLean by surprise with a sharp angle shot to make
the score 2-1.
Domi's goal gave the Jets new life as they began to take the rush
to the Canuck's collapsing defence. The Canucks were unwilling to do
anything but let McLean take shots and clear the rebounds. The Jets were
allowed to set up and make plays.
Both goalies made standup saves as the play picked up considerably.
McLean made three great saves in the second off a dancing Teammu Selanne
while Essensa was rocked by a Pavel Bure drive. Selanne looked dangerous
on the rush as the Jets pressed a series of attacks into the Canuck
zone. The Canucks, on the other hand, looked like they were offering four
checking lines in an effort to preserve their slim lead.
A series of minor penalties at the end of the second period
resulted in a one man advantage for the Jets in the early third. The
Jet's Tempo Numminen drove a puck from the point through McLean's
legs and into the net to tie the game at 2-2.
The Canuck's discordant play picked up where it left off.
This was characterized by long lead passes that either never connected
or were picked off by the Jets and individual rushes into a tight
Winnipeg defence that were never supported.
However, as in the first and second Canuck goals, a Jet defensive
lapse (re: bonehead play) stalled the Winnipeg comeback. With the faceoff
in the Winnipeg zone, Pavel Bure was left to stand in the crease with
no Jet defender anywhere near him. Bure, who had been invisible in the
game up to that point, took a rebound and managed to roof it with a
backhand even though he was off balance.
By then it was too late for the Jets to come back. Essensa made it
to the bench with one minute to go but the extra attacker did nothing
for their attack. Canucks 3, Winnipeg 2.
Next game is Friday at Winnipeg with the Jets in the hole by two games.
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2,457 |
Close, but there's a number 3 also:
3. have entered the game with no more than a 3 run lead and pitched
at least one inning.
If a pitcher finishes a game which his team has won, does not get the win,
and satisfies at least one of the three requirements, he gets a save.
-Rusty
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5,974 |
According to "Quotations from Chairman Cherry", Don was playing in
Springfield. He and another player had to pay some fines; the other
player had his paid off, but not Don didn't want to.
Don called the other player a "teacher's Pet", and the other player
replied "Ah, that's just sour grapes". | 0 |
502 | 0 | |
5,789 | quoted for future reference...
He believed one of two things: 1) Sabo was more likely than Samuel
to get a hit OR 2) that more good would be done in the long run
by leaving Sabo in regardless of the expectation of the actual outcome.
In fact you don't know what Perez had in mind when he left Sabo in.
In fact, I don't think anyone is claiming that they can predict
the future, or any particular future event. But we can believe
that certain trends are due to a cause (whether or not we have
identified the cause) and therefore will continue.
I think seeing insults in other people's opinions is kind of silly.
After all, Mark didn't call you a total idiot, or call your work
stupid, he simply stated that it didn't change his opinion on the
subject.
If player A hits better on Tuesdays and always has, and Mark believes
that it might be an indication that he will hit on Tuesday better next
season as well, would you respond the same way? At some point you
might admit that all variable might not be known to you (who knows
what this guy does every Monday night? Maybe he sees his sports
shrink on Tuesday mornings, or has his Vitamin B shots Monday nights?)
But this is something that's true of one guy only. It doesn't
mean that there will be a meaningful correlation for the entire
league by days of the week, nor that there should be. But it doesn't
mean we can't make predictions based on that for that particular
player.
I only see a prediction for one player here. I don't see anything
about ALL batters.
That's exactly what Mark is trying to do though. Find hitters
that have these correlation and ask whether we can make predictions
for these hitters based on their past performance.
Huh? What does gambler's fallacy have to do with anything?
Whether you can know the reason for correlation or not, you can't
deny that it has existent, you can only make an argument that
you don't think it is likely to continue to exist because you
can't see a reason for it to exist.
Someone posted recently on why negative clutch would correlate.
The argument along the lines of star player with L/R splits will
always see an adverse condition in late innings of a close game
(i.e. opposing manager will always bring in a AH pitcher to
face him, where his manager will not pull him for a PH)
What about you? If the shoe fits, will you wear it with an open mind? | 0 |
4,529 | Can anyone out there tell me Babe Ruth's complete pitching stats? I know he
was 5-0 as a pitcher for the Yankees, but what were his numbers when he was
with the Red Sox? Thanks in advance! | 0 |
3,488 | NY Islanders 1 1 2 0 1--5
Washington 0 2 2 0 0--4
First period
1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 1 (King, Thomas) 13:14.
Second period
2, Washington, Hunter 3 (Johansson, Miller) 6:33.
3, NY Islanders, Turgeon 2 (Thomas, Vaske) 12:36.
4, Washington, Hunter 4 (Johansson, Carpenter) pp, 16:51.
Third period
5, NY Islanders, Hogue 1 (unassisted) 3:31.
6, Washington, Khristich 2 (Cavallini, Bondra) 7:16.
7, NY Islanders, Ferraro 2 (Flatley, Hogue) 14:50.
8, Washington, Hunter 5 (Johansson, Khristich) pp, 19:57.
First overtime
No scoring.
Second overtime
9, NY Islanders, Mullen 1 (Ferraro, Flatley) 14:50.
NY Islanders: 5 Power play: 5-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Ferraro 1 1 2
Flatley 0 2 2
Hogue 1 1 2
King 0 1 1
Mullen 1 0 1
Thomas 0 2 2
Turgeon 2 0 2
Vaske 0 1 1
Washington: 4 Power play: 5-2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Bondra 0 1 1
Carpenter 0 1 1
Cavallini 0 1 1
Hunter 3 0 3
Johansson 0 3 3
Khristich 1 1 2
Miller 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Montreal 0 0 1--1
Quebec 3 0 1--4
First period
1, Quebec, Leschyshyn 1 (Kamensky, Sakic) pp, 4:19.
2, Quebec, Young 2 (Lapointe) 11:41.
3, Quebec, Young 3 (Lapointe, Duchesne) 13:56.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
4, Montreal, Bellows 2 (Odelein) 11:05.
5, Quebec, Lapointe 1 (Ricci) en, 19:23.
Quebec: 4 Power play: 2-1 Special goals: pp: 1 en: 1 Total: 2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Duchesne 0 1 1
Kamensky 0 1 1
Lapointe 1 2 3
Leschyshyn 1 0 1
Ricci 0 1 1
Sakic 0 1 1
Young 2 0 2
Montreal: 1 Power play: 1-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Bellows 1 0 1
Odelein 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
New Jersey 0 0 0--0
Pittsburgh 2 4 1--7
First period
1, Pittsburgh, McEachern 1 (Francis, Taglianetti) 15:09.
2, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 3 (Samuelsson, Barrasso) sh, 17:41.
Second period
3, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 2 (Stevens, Samuelsson) 3:48.
4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 2 (Francis, Ramsey) 12:39.
5, Pittsburgh, Stevens 1 (Francis, Murphy) pp, 15:43.
6, Pittsburgh, McEachern 2 (Daniels, Mullen) 16:56.
Third period
7, Pittsburgh, Mullen 1 (Francis, Barrasso) 17:42.
Pittsburgh: 7 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barrasso 0 2 2
Daniels 0 1 1
Francis 0 4 4
Jagr 1 0 1
Lemieux 1 0 1
McEachern 2 0 2
Mullen 1 1 2
Murphy 0 1 1
Ramsey 0 1 1
Samuelsson 0 2 2
Stevens 1 1 2
Taglianetti 0 1 1
Tocchet 1 0 1
New Jersey: 0 Power play: 5-0
No scoring
-----------------------------------------
Buffalo 2 1 1--4
Boston 0 0 0--0
First period
1, Buffalo, Presley 1 (unassisted) sh, 4:27.
2, Buffalo, Wood 1 (Moller, Sweeney) pp, 8:07.
Second period
3, Buffalo, Mogilny 3 (Lafontaine) 5:03.
Third period
4, Buffalo, Hawerchuk 1 (Carney, Smehlik) pp, 14:48.
Buffalo: 4 Power play: 4-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Carney 0 1 1
Hawerchuk 1 0 1
Lafontaine 0 1 1
Mogilny 1 0 1
Moller 0 1 1
Presley 1 0 1
Smehlik 0 1 1
Sweeney 0 1 1
Wood 1 0 1
Boston: 0 Power play: 5-0
No scoring
| 0 |
5,843 |
Until six or seven years ago I was an enthusiastic fan of NFL football.
Last year I hardly watched a game. What turned me off were the
incessant interruptions to the continuity of the game. A team scores.
2.5 minutes of commercials. Kickoff. 1.5 minutes of commercials.
Three downs and a punt. 2 minutes of commercials. AAAAARRRRGH!
Earlier in this thread I commented on LaRussa and the A's, whom I
believe institutionalize slow play. I don't mind the cat-and-mouse
game with Rickey on first; in fact, I rather enjoy it. Similarly
I would enjoy the battle with Listach or Lofton or Polonia on first. What
I object to is when such games are played with Karkovice on first,
or when the game is a blowout. I don't mind when the pitcher steps off
the mound to gather his thoughts in a crucial situation, or when a hitter
steps out of the box to regain his concentration. What I object to
is when hitters and pitchers take such breaks at every opportunity.
When a game is exciting, these little delays serve as tension builders
and for me enhance the value of the experience of the game. When the
delays happen with regularity, they become nuisances, just like the
commercial breaks in football.
I understand the NFL imposed a number of rule changes to "speed up"
the games, basically putting an onus on the officiating staff to move
the markers and the ball to the spots faster. That did not address
the problem of the continuity of the game. It may have appeased the
sponsors and the networks, but I would be amazed if it did anything
to enhance the experience of the fans.
Similary, while some 3-hour baseball games bore me to tears, those are the
ones where there is no continuity and the players are taking exasperatingly
long periods to get ready for each pitch. I doubt if anyone watching
the Braves-Giants game cared about Gant stepping out. I doubt if anyone
watching that game would have found that pause to be anything but an
opportunity to have their complete attention claimed by the drama that
was present. I would be totally opposed to any effort that would
eliminate that aspect of baseball.
On the other hand, I wish baseball had a commissioner that was powerful
enough to sit down with Alderson/LaRussa/Duncan and explain that they
are actually hurting the product of baseball by dragging their games
out the way that they do. I sure wouldn't mind a little arm-twisting
there.
-- The Beastmaster
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I don't think that it is "obvious" that "lots" of people are willing
to pay the price. I'm sure someone out there in net-land has some
facts about trends in attendance regarding percentage of capacity
sold. But even if the trends are relatively flat, you have to consider
what is happening on a team-by-team basis.
When the TV money dries up, franchises will be seeking to supplant the
lost revenues from alternative sources. One of the best sources may
be ticket sales.
Example 1: The Dodgers
The Dodgers can count on a strong base of season ticket sales
and *probably* believe that they have the ability to raise
prices without hindering revenues. I certainly think that is
true.
Example 2: The Padres
They will be lucky to average 10,000 fans a game this year.
If they raise prices, less. If they want to increase their
overall revenue base, the best thing they can do is put a
winning team on the field. But given that won't happen (it
won't), they can probably make more money by lowering ticket
prices and running frequent promotions. Will they do that?
I have no idea. But they won't increase prices, because it
won't work *for them*.
The only strange powers at work here are the forces of the market place.
Each team's market is somewhat different, and each owner is going to
be faced with a unique set of circumstances about how to deal with those
market forces. As a buiness manager, I would never *want* to lower my
prices, but sometimes that strategy is necessary, and sometimes it works.
You have to consider everything if you want continued success.
-- The Beastmaster
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116 |
Warren, I agree with your premise... but... The Babe won on
two teams. That's right, he was part of the Red Sox Dynasty of the
1910s. And everyone knows that the Yankee Dynsaty wouldn't have
happened without thier famous bullpen catcher whose name escapes me at
the moment. | 0 |
6,028 |
First, please watch your line lengths. Not everyone has autowrap.
Second, Franklin to the rescue! Here's the list:
Player HR SB
Aaron 755 240
Mays 660 338
FRobinson 586 204
RJackson 563 228
Winfield 406 216 *
Dawson 377 304 *
Baylor 338 285
BoBonds 332 461
Wynn 291 225
Strawberry 280 201 *
Morgan 268 689
Pinson 256 309
Yount 235 247 *
KGibson 208 253 *
Sandberg 205 297 *
Players marked with an * are still active; numbers through 1991. That's only
15; the 16th is probably Rickey Henderson, who was listed at 184 HR, 994
SB or George Brett, listed as 186 SB, 291 HR.
The surprises? Probably Reggie, Bayor, and Wynn for steals. Maybe Morgan (to
a lot of people) for homers. I was kind of surprised to realize that
Sandberg has that many steals, though I wasn't surprised that the number was
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com | 0 |
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Yes, he does. BUT, the goalie sure as hell doesn't want him there! When
I played roller hockey (boy do I miss those days) as a goalie, I would
scream at my defense to clear guys out of the slot. I don't care if he's
in the crease or not, get him the hell away from me so I can see the ball!
(Yes, roller hockey, remember) And if there was nobody around to clear
the slot, then I'd do it myself by pushing the offending player--*hard*.
I *hate* people in my way when I'm the goalie, and I am sure Felix does
too. I should say that I didn't see the incident, so if Potvin really
swung the stick big time, then that's not right, but he can move people
out of the way. He's a player on the ice too, you know. :-)
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5,690 |
If the Leaf's play like they did in game one they're going to need
these! Watching that game _really_ hurt!
Cheers!
i.
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2,285 |
Yes, these last couple of months the Kinngs have failed to show up in about
one game in five. Presumably last night was that one game in five. | 0 |
178 |
Hey, we could start a new game on the net. It's called 'Where's Roger?'
It's similiar to 'Where's Waldo?' but instead of finding Waldo in a picture
of people, we try to find Roger in a newsgroup on the net.
I predict that he'll be in r.s.basketball.pro next.
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5,303 | Could someone please tell me how I can access the FAQ for this
group? I'm relatively new, and would like to read it, but
although I've seen it mentioned, I've yet to see it posted. Is
it archived somewhere or does someone post it to the group on a
regular basis? or, is it distributed on-demand? I'd appreciate
any help anyone can give me.
Thanks in advance.
- Mary
p.s. Please respond via email as the articles expire within 24
hours on my mail system, and I don't always get a chance to read
everything. Thanks.
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Mary Blumenstock mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu | 0 |
2,278 |
When I see this happening to other players, I'll post a public apology to
Mr. Hirschbeck. Until then, I think this was a case of "selective
enforcement."
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
2,980 |
A-hem. Two words: Russell Davis. Playing in the cavern at Albany (AA) last
year (375/410/385 down the alleys and to center), Davis went .285/.355/.483
with 22 homers. There aren't any small parks on the road in the Eastern
League, either. He's 23(!) and his MLE was .258/.308/.416, 17 HR. I have no
fielding statistics, but from seeing him a number of times last year I'd say
that he's not Brooks Robinson, but neither is he Howard Johnson. Unless they
think they can win the pennant *this year* (which seems possible) and need
Boggs to do it, I think they're making the same sort of mistake with Davis
that Boston made with Boggs, leaving him in the minors for two or three
years after he'd shown that he was a good hitter.
Hrm? They still have him on the roster (16 AB through the first two weeks).
They've just never figured out what to do with him. I suspect that he hits
enough (especially vs. lefties) to be a reasonable shortstop. One rumor
running around during spring training was that they wanted to convert
Silvestri to be a catcher(!) because "his body type was wrong for a
shortstop". You'd think that somebody in the same *division*, who plays
Baltimore about a dozen times a year, would know better.
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5,175 | Monday, April 12, 1993
Kamloops 4 @ Spokane 1 (Kamloops wins 3-0)
***
Western Final Matchup
Kamloops @ Portland
***
Tuesday, April 13, 1993
No games necessary.
Wednesday, April 14, 1993
No games necessary.
Thursday, April 15, 1993
No games scheduled.
Friday, April 16, 1993
Regina 2 @ Swift Current 7 (Series: 0-1)
Kamloops 3 @ Portland 6 (Series: 0-1)
Saturday, April 17, 1993
Kamloops 4 @ Portland 8 (Series: 0-2)
Sunday, April 18, 1993
Swift Current 5 @ Regina 2 (Series: 2-0)
WHL Playoff Scoring Leaders
April 18, 1993
Player GP G A Pts
-------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Black, Tacoma 7 7 15 22
Andy Schneider, Swift Current 8 7 13 20
Valeri Bure, Spokane 9 6 11 17
Allan Egeland, Tacoma 7 9 7 16
Dean McAmmond, Swift Current 8 9 6 15
Jason Krywulak, Swift Current 8 6 9 15
Cam Danyluk, Medicine Hat 10 9 5 14
Todd Holt, Swift Current 8 5 9 14
Tyler Wright, Swift Current 8 5 9 14
Mike Mathers, Kamloops 10 5 9 14
Jeff Friesen, Regina 11 5 9 14
Rick Girard, Swift Current 8 3 11 14
WHL Playoff Leading Goaltenders
April 18, 1993
(minimum 60 minutes)
Player MP GA SO GAA
-------------------------------------------------------
Scott Langkow, Portland 295 12 0 2.44
Milan Hnilicka, Swift Current 497 21 1 2.54
Trevor Robins, Brandon 258 11 0 2.56
Steve Passmore, Kamloops 341 16 1 2.82
Mark Dawkins, Red Deer 269 13 0 2.90
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6,990 |
ESPN never committed (and I never saw advertised) to a particular
Thursday game. They had originally scheduled Bos-Buf, and that was
somehow leaked on this net, but to my knowledge ESPN never publicly
released a schedule until Monday when they announced Pitt-NJ Thursday
and Boston-Buffalo Saturday. | 0 |
281 | 1993 World Championships in Germany:
====================================
Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund)
-------------------------- ----------------------------
GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P
Canada 3 3 0 0 17- 1 +16 6 Czech republic 3 2 1 0 8- 1 +7 5
Russia 3 2 1 0 12- 4 +8 5 Finland 3 2 1 0 5- 1 +4 5
Sweden 3 2 0 1 8- 6 +2 4 USA 3 1 2 0 8- 3 +5 4
Italy 3 1 1 1 5- 8 -3 3 Germany 3 2 0 1 11- 8 +3 4
---------------------------------- -------------------------------------
Switzerland 3 0 0 3 0- 9 -9 0 France 3 0 0 3 4-13 -9 0
Austria 3 0 0 3 2-16 -14 0 Norway 3 0 0 3 0-10 -10 0
April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6
Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1
April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0
Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0
April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0
Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1
April 21: Germany - France 5-3
Italy - Sweden 2-6 Czech republic - Norway 2-0
April 22: Switzerland - Russia 0-6 USA - France 6-1
Austria - Canada 0-11 Norway - Finland 0-2
April 23: Switzerland - Austria Germany - Finland 20:00
April 24: Russia - Sweden Czech republic - France 15:30
Canada - Italy USA - Norway 20:00
April 25: Sweden - Switzerland Finland- Czech republic 15:30
Russia - Canada Germany - USA 20:00
April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00
PLAYOFFS:
=========
April 27: Quarterfinals
A #2 - B #3 15:30
A #3 - B #2 20:00
April 28: Quarterfinals
A #1 - B #4 15:30
A #4 - B #1 20:00
April 29: Relegation
A #5 - B #6 15:30
A #6 - B #5 20:00
April 30: Semifinals
A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30
A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00
May 1: Relegation 14:30
Bronze medal game 19:00
May 2: FINAL 15:00
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1,245 | You can't call time when there's a play in progress.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine | 0 |
2,975 |
I definitely do. That's why I don't like going to see games played
on artificial turf :-)
Well, your idea of "interesting" differs from mine. I think
batting practice is interesting, for example, and make a special
effort to get to the game very early in order to see it. I think the
delaying tactics of batters, pitchers, catchers, and managers are
interesting because they're attempts to gain advantage through control
of the flow and timing of the game. Of course, the umpires can, and
should, intervene when these tactics get out of hand. As Ryan Robbins
has pointed out, there are rules that cover this.
One of the more fascinating things about baseball, I think, is its
open-endedness with regard to time. You never know if the game is going
to zip right by and be over in less than two hours, or if it's going to
go on until four in the morning. Likewise, some games are action-packed,
and some games are slow and lazy. That's fine by me. Those folks who
want constant action should watch the games on TV so they can channel-
surf and cater to their short attention spans. | 0 |
5,938 | }
} >Oh, yea, and Chris Bosio pitched a NO-HITTER. One over the minimum, two
}
} Have there ever been any other no-hitters in Mariner history?
Randy Johnson, June 2, 1990 against the Tigers. | 0 |
4,139 | The Sharks appear to be leaning toward picking Rob
Niedermayer, a center (his brother Scott (?) is a defenseman
picked by NJ a couple years ago). They brought him in for a
physical/tryout a week or so ago. From what I have read
Niedermayer is the best skater in the draft, plays BOTH
offense and defense, and isn't afraid of physical play.
Defensively the Sharks are looking pretty good in terms of
defense prospects (Rathje, Sykora, Ragnarsson), and our
centers (Kisio et al) are getting old.
With all of the small players the Sharks have I justs CAN't
see them picking yet another small player like Kariya, he'd
just get bashed by the oppposition and get a separated
shoulder. | 0 |
5,573 |
Actually, I was hoping for Barry Bonds. Oh well.
First off, Jeff has had like 5 hits in the last two games, and walked
*yet again*. Sorry Ken, but Jeff King does have some power, which
means his SLG won't be below .300, and his walks are *way* up. If
that increase is real, Jeff King will be an above average NL third
baseman in 1993. Jose Lind, on the other hand, *still* doesn't walk,
and clearly isn't a .320 hitter. My bet is that he won't be getting
any extra bases either once everybody starts pulling the "Lind Shift"
we were seeing in the NL.
No, although since the Lavalliere weirdness, nothing would really
surprise me. Jeff King is currently in the top 10 in the league in
*walks*. Something is up... | 0 |
5,325 | Have you ever noticed that after a hockey player has been interviewed
in between periods on a tv game. That they usually get a goal or
an assist. can you explain this or is it that they usually talk
to stars more than regular players which explains the hight
percentage of results after.
Just wondering how everybody else thinks about this or if they dont
care about this trivial nonsense.
ttyl Tom | 0 |
2,303 | I really feel the need for a knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year's playoffs to me. I mean, the obviously superior Toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing. What gives?
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I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89 | 0 |
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1,589 |
This is a phenomenon known around work as ready-fire-aim. I am astounded at
the number of times people post strong opinions about things they not only
don't understand but publicly admit to not understanding. In fact, there's a
plausible argument that saves are a more rational stat than wins.
For the record, there are two ways that a reliever can get a save:
He must finish the game and either
1. have entered the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.
2. have pitched at least three innings effectively.
A pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game.
But this is an argument that *wins* is a dumb stat, not saves.
This again doesn't support your claim about saves at the beginning of your
post.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com | 0 |
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