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7,238 | so all us hockey/automobile racing fans all know exactly where we stand
ESPN delays the martinsville race by a day for the NFL draft
ESPN shows baseball instead of the overtime of a NHL playoff game
gimme a break, guys
=> >>Does anyone know why this race is tape delay? Especially until Monday???
=> >Is this the weekend for the NFL draft?
=> >If so, postponing the race for a day is
=> >a real slap in the face for racing fans.
=> I'm afraid you're right (as usual). As I recall they've been doing this
=> ever since they started covering the draft live. I wish they could work
=> out some kind of a deal with somebody else such as TNN to get the race
=> on live, but I guess ESPN isn't much into sharing. It also clarifies
=> where auto racing stands on their priority list (as if we didn't already
=> know ;-)
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1,445 |
I can't believe sh*t like this gets any attention in this group during
the playoffs.
Ali,you're a blabbering moron. At least you could've waited 'till
the end of the playoffs to start your dumb letter campaign. | 0 |
2,511 | [argument over "reasonable" players and umpires deleted]
Yes, but the baseball rules say you can only appeal a ball and not a
strike. There was no decision made by the umpire regarding an appeal.
Once he called it a strike the call could not be changed.
I thought that the umpire did the right thing.
| 0 |
6,584 |
Alright, that's enough. I've suffered with all kinds of insults (as
typical for the net), but give me a break. Galarraga is currently
batting over .400 and you guys are complaining that he isn't drawing
enough walks. What would he have to do to please you guys, bat 1.000?
You can hardly claim that he is "hurting his team".
If it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches
and he starts making lots of outs (as someone speculated might happen),
*THEN* I would agree with you that he isn't taking enough pitches. My comment
that "he isn't paid to walk" doesn't mean that he should have a license
to swing at bad pitches and make outs; it's more along the lines of: he's
batting .400 and leading the league in RBI's so what bloody difference
does it make if he isn't drawing a lot of walks? Sheesh. | 0 |
1,277 |
2 simple reasons:
(1) Batting Williams ahead of Bonds will create a Left(Clark),
Right(Williams), Left(Bonds) situation in the middle of the
batting order. This makes it tougher for opposing manager
to change pitchers.
(2) Having Bonds batting behind Williams means that Matt will get
more good pitches to hit. This is important since he struggles
so much with breaking balls. Opposing pitchers don't want to
walk Williams to get to Bonds.
| 0 |
2,900 |
This is the fifth request to find out about a Cardinals mailing list.
It looks like one does not exist. If anyone has the initiative,
creating a list might be a worthwhile activity. | 0 |
3,387 | I know there's been a lot of talk about Jack Morris' horrible start,
but what about Dennis Martinez. Last I checked he's 0-3 with 6+ ERA.
Is the ageless wonder finally showing his age? Does he usually start
off the season so slowly? I know he plans to start tonight. I hope
he comes around....
I would appreciate any feedback concerning outlook on rest of Dennis
Martinez's season...
Thanks in advance, | 0 |
6,343 | 0 | |
2,588 |
I know it's very trendy nowadays to dump on Morris, but let's give credit
where credit is due.
It is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the AL east without Morris.
Last year, when the team went 13-15 for the month of August, and all the
other starters were being shelled, and Milwaukee was making a charge,
Morris went 5-1 with a pretty good era (I can't remember exactly).
Also, let's not underestimate the importance his 240+ innings to save
the bullpen every fifth day. If he didn't help us win the AL east, forget
about the pennent and the world series.
His run support was high (5.98 runs) but so was Stottlemyer's (5.90 runs)
and he won only 12 games. I do remember Morris winning an inordinate number of
6-5 and 8-6 ballgames, but this is to his credit. He pitched only as good
as he needed to be. When he was up 6-1 in a ballgame, he just put it in cruise
control and threw the ball up there and let the batters "get themseleves out"
(I hate this expression!). An inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out
trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down. But Morris, being a
veteran pitcher, knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in
baseball. By saving himself, he was able to reach back for that little extra
(I hate this too!) when the game was on the line.
Yes Morris is crapping out big time this year, but let's not change history
to suit the present.
BTW, I think he should be put in the bullpen; it would be embarrassing a
veteran pitcher which Cito would never do, but his era is 17+, how much more
can he be embarrassed?
ditto!
| 0 |
2,016 | I laugh at you now, and I will laugh at you again, equally publicly,
when the Jays finish third due to the severe depletion of their talent.
I think Bill James put it best (about Sparky Anderson, _Abstract_ 1983):
"There are a million guys in this country with great attitudes, but there
are only about five hundred who can play a major league brand of baseball;
which are you going to take?" | 0 |
6,714 |
Well, if SHIT means going to the Stanley Cup finals a couple years
ago, I'd rather be shit than a leaf fan.
| 0 |
3,700 |
There is a great book out called "They Also Served" which is about the
ballplayers during WWII. There is some info on Berg in there. It also has
info on Pete Gray (one armed outfielder) and other players of the era. Because
of the draft many players during the war were those who were exempt from the
draft for medical reasons. There are some very interesting stories in the
book. It is very well written and I would suggest reading it to anyone with an
interest in baseball.
Rob Koffler
| 0 |
1,163 | So what is your definition of "interfering with the fielder taking the throw"?
The rule book certainly doesn't have a definiton or clarification, so it's
possible to interpret the rule as saying that if the catcher has to alter
his throw to avoid hitting the batter-runner, then again we have interference.
You know, it seems that there is no way to apply this rule justly--if the
catcher (or the pitcher, say Rob Dibble, for example) throws toward first
and hits the runner running inside the baseline, the fielder takes the chance
of being ejected. Therefore he probably would throw around the runner or
(your scenario) above him.
You should note that in our American Legion League, (which uses MLB rules) we
interpret the rule to say in this very circumstance there IS interference
per rule 7.09. | 0 |
5,777 |
And not the only quality Mariner pitcher. I logged on expecting to see
at least ONE congratulatory note for Chris Bosio's NO HITTER, but nary
a peep.
So I'll take this opportunity to note that the red feet are now 11-5 and
slinking out of town without having scored a run in the last two games
or even a hit in last night's gem.
Not that we M's fans can compare our suffering to those of the followers
of New England's long-running tragedy, but only one winning season in
history is something of a burden to bear. So we'll take our joys when
we can get 'em.
The Mariners now have two no-hit pitchers on the staff and not
coincidentally those pitchers beat the Red Sox in back to back games.
jsh | 0 |
6,723 |
As if an aluminum stick being taken to Ulf's head is gonna solve the problem
with violence in the sport of hockey. How the hell can you say the guy is
a goon and justify it, with your back-assward mentality? Saying that hurting
a player will solve anyone's problems is asinine. New rules and a new
referee system need to be instituted. Right now, too many of the real goons
get away with too much, because the ref is watching the play (or supposed to be:I've seen Koharski and Van Hellemond, to name a few, with their heads up their asses on a few calls) rather than keeping an eye on the goofballs behind the
play. Even if the linesmen were able to call all penalties, it would be an
improvement. | 0 |
4,414 |
Rust Staub is NOT Jewish.
In fact, I think his father was a minister.
| 0 |
672 |
Well, as a hockey fan, I think it's terrible. It's one thing to say, "Hey,
let's give a hockey team to cities that don't have one!" -- that's fine. It's
entirely another to say, "Okay, let's take a team from a thriving hockey town
and move it!"
Of course, none of us will ever know the real inside story, but
from what I know, a group of Minneapolis businessmen told Green repeatedly that
they would purchase the remaining 3600 (?) season tickets to get to the 10,000
level that Green wanted, yet he refused every time. It's pretty obvious that he
was determined to get out of Minneapolis at any cost and use the season tickets
thing as an excuse.
I was fortunate enough to get to the penultimate game, and
the fans were great! People were tailgating and playing roller hockey in the
parking lot before the game, the attendance was so full as to have SRO, and the
whole atmosphere in the Centre was terrific. Minnesota IS Hockey, USA. How the
NHL can so blithely let the major league team from there move away is beyond
me. I only hope they get a new team soon.
Just my $0.02.
-- Ali.
| 0 |
6,109 |
: That's not inner calm. It's boredom, and it's being spoiled. The Arena's
: been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just
: take winning for granted. It's been seemingly forever since the team
: lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and
: surprise at victory.
At least last night there was some excitement. The Pens
didn't have it wrapped up before the game was half over like
the previous two games. I'm not sure if NJ just rose up and
played better or if the Penguins just started to play down
somewhat. Probably it was somewhere in between. New Jersey
seemed much more aggressive last night in the Pens end. They
did much more swarming around, which at least kept an
element of suspense in the game. No question that Billington
helped make it more interesting also. Claude Lemieux didn't
help the cause any though, with his ejection early in the
game. So, who's going to start in the Devils goal for the
"final" game Sunday? ;-) Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
| 0 |
6,991 |
Ah, but the illusion in football is that there is always lots of action and
a sense of urgency because of the game clock (not all the time, but it happens
when there's less than 5 minutes to go quite often). This sense creates
drama, even when there may not necessarily be any and that holds a viewer's
attention. In baseball, only 3 players are involved in the action for about
(here comes a wild guess) 70% of the time? And they're just playing a
sophisticated game of catch/hold-the-ball/step-out-of-the-box/adjust-chains/
touch-self-in-interesting-locations. There's a lot of "dead time" with the
players warming up between innings or the manager visiting the pitcher at the
mound or the manager removing the pitcher and bringing in a relief pitcher
who then takes (8? 10?) pitches or Helen Dell playing the organ (Dodger fans
will appreciate that one). To the non baseball junkie this is boring.
At any rate, I'm not putting baseball down for this - I've been an avid
fan since I can remember - it's just that watching a baseball game on
T.V. at home can be tedious for the non baseball junkie. That's what Major
League Baseball and the networks are trying to address when they talk of
shortening the game. It's because of T.V. not because "football has more
action than baseball".
| 0 |
6,597 | Here is something crossposted from the AHL mailing list:
In a discussion between me and Chris Lerch, the subject of Springfield's
1st round upset of the Providence Bruins
came up. Chris basically raised the possibility that the AHL
hierarchy is biased in favor of the Indians. He noted that the offices
for the league are in Spring. and many ex-Indians are working for the AHL.
Furthermore, he also informed me that back a few years ago in the Cup
finals between Roch and Spring, that the Amerks charged favoritism by the office
and that:
"...there were little questionable things liket he AHL president and
staff attending all games with the Springfield brass, including sitting
in their box for the game in Springfield and, according to the Rochester
media, openly cheering for Springfield."
Certainly this is something that is quite serious if any of this
is true. I don't know if this is anything more than whining on the
part of the Amerks (they have pulled this sort of crap against the
Wings before) but if true, this is somthing that seriously raises
questions about President Jack Butterfield's leadership.
BTW- This was posted with the permission of Chris | 0 |
4,834 |
I'm familiar with the telethon situation (an individual on CompuServe
was also victimized and was equally pissed). That was a local
television station contract which could not be broken. For that item,
I strongly suggest you call that affiliate and vent your anger on
them. (Supposedly one station had told my friend that they have
received hundreds of angry calls which will translate into far less
incentive to pre-empt hockey telecasts in future. The contract was
written when the pathetic WLAF was in that time slot.) | 0 |
1,666 | AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND (home team in CAPS)
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GAMES PLAYED ON TUES, 4/20
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Rochester 6 UTICA 4
Fredericton at Cape Breton
SERIES STATI (plural of status? :)
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Adirondack leads CDI, 3-0
Providence tied w/Springfield, 2-2
Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 1-1
Rochester leads Utica, 2-1
St John's leads Moncton, 2-0
Cape Breton tied w/Fredericton, 1-1 | 0 |
5,420 |
M -->
M --> Look for the Leafs, led by a healthy Doug Gilmour and a confidence-restored
M --> Felix Potvin to do the Blues in 6. The Leafs will have 3 more games with the
M --> Wings and that should give Joseph a few extra days to pass those horshoes.
M -->
HA! Roger the dodger is back! (on the bandwagon, that is.)
- Jack
* Please Tell Me if you Don't Get This Message | 0 |
3,470 | -=> Quoting Ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa. to All <=-
Oh> From: ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov
Oh> Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Oh> Subject: Test...Please ignore
Oh> Message-ID: <1993Apr21.180741@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Oh> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:07:41 GMT
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Oh> This is a test.....Please ignore.
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OK I will ignore this message
since it is only a test.
wow, Montreal just scored to go up
1 - 0 in game 4 of their series, oh sorry
I was supposed to ignore this message wasn't I
bye for now.
Steve
| 0 |
5,088 | o any of you experts want to analyze Ron Gant?
Is his early season slump because he is still swinging his bat the way
he was last year (trying to hit to all fields, etc.) or has he changed his
swing back to the "old" Gant and is just in a small early season slump.
Is his spot int he lineup even secure, especially the way he has
been hitting?
--
msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu GO CUBS!!! | 0 |
581 | "They're real and they're spectacular", the Blues shutout the Blackhawks in
consecutive playoff games.
If the Blues sweep the Hawks on Sunday, I will launch a broom onto the ice
in the last seconds of the game. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
Curtis Joseph has been the "master of his own domain", and the Hawks have
been shooting the puck like a bunch of "chuckers". Not even "Superman" could
play any better in goal. Joseph must have been eating his "cereal."
"It's like a sauna in here" said a spectator about the hot atmosphere and
the wild crowd at the Arena.
It was "very refreshing" to see the Blues "double-dip" the Hawks.
The Hawks goons tried to "pick" on Hull, Janney, and Joseph but the Blues
checking line "nipped" those Hawks real well.
The fat "Yoyoma" will sing on Sunday, and the Hawks will head to the "beach".
The Hawks' trip back to Chicago will feel like a long "journey from Milan
to Minsk"
Enjoy Sunday's game with some Junior Mints and wash them down with a Snapple.
Just a little fun. | 0 |
2,641 | Some time back in this newsgroup, I seem to recall a thread about
predicting the runs a given lineup of 9 batters could be expected
to score given the appropriate statistical alphabet soup for these
hitters (OBP, SLG, AVG, bat length, hat size, day-of-the-week,
weather conditions, etc.). :-) Anyway, was I dreaming or is there
some such animal?
My apologies if this has been covered recently, I probably get to
read 10% of the articles posted here. No time.
Many thanks in advance,
scotty
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7,082 | THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH USING THE FINAL REGULAR SEASON STATS FOR THE
92/93, WHICH YOU CAN FIND IN THE APRIL 22, 1993 EDITION OF THE USA TODAY!
TRY IT OUT AND SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH.....
1. ADAM OATES C BRUINS 145 PTS
2. TEEMU SELANNE RW JETS 136 PTS
3. ALEXANDER MOGILNY RW SABRES 131 PTS
4. PAVEL BURE RW CANUCKS 116 PTS
5. VINCENT DAMPHOUSSE LW CANADIANS 106 PTS
6. DAVE ANDREYCHUK LW MAPLELEAFS 104 PTS
7. PHIL HOUSLEY RD JETS 103 PTS
8. PAUL COFFEY RD REDWINGS 94 PTS
9. SERGEI FEDOROV C REDWINGS 94 PTS
10. ANDY MOOG G BRUINS 86 PTS
11. AL INFRATE RD CAPITIALS 82 PTS
12. PATRICK ROY G CANADIANS 76 PTS
13. AL MACINNIS LD FLAMES 60 PTS
14. DENNIS SAVARD C CANADIANS 59 PTS
15. CALLE JOHANSSON LD CAPITALS 50 PTS
16. YURI KHMYLEV LW SABRES 41 PTS
17. RICHARD SMEHLIK LD SABRES 36 PTS
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TOTAL POINTS 1519 PTS | 0 |
4,382 | 0 | |
1,304 |
Heh... Try the rec.autos.sport FAQ. They are always calling ESPN to complain.
I'm sure you could find the number for ABC there too, as many west-coast
viewers were compaining about how something as boring as hockey cut into
the Long Beach GP. =)
Were you (and several of the other people here it seems) asleep the day
"contracts" were explained? ASPN has a piece of paper saying it MUST
show that baseball game if it happens. Many businesses payedd money to
have their commercials run during a baseball game. This is a business,
not your own personal video servant.
Maybe you should put that anger into something positive. For example, I saw
ads for the new Dodge both on the ESPN and KBL broadcasts. Why not write to
Dodge saying that "thanks to the ads run during the STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS,
you will now concider their products in the future. They love to hear stuff
like that and in the future will be more willing to buy commercial time
for hockey games, giving ESPN (and other networks) more incentive to carry
games (just one example)
Come on people, as great as we think it is, Hockey does not leapfrog the
"big three" overight. | 0 |
4,938 | With the recent demise of the Chicago Blawkhawks (much to my delight) I
noticed their 8 (?) game playoff losing streak (4 to the Pens last year, and
now 4 to the Blues) and I am wondering what the NHL record for consecutive
losses is, if there even is one...
I'm pretty sure that the Hawks have at least a 9 game losing streak, since
they've had to have lost a series since their last championship (whenever that
was)
Basically, I need something else to rag on my Hawks-fan friend with :)
Mike, the insomniaced | 0 |
6,577 |
to take this to its, er, "logical" conclusion, it is impossible to
ascertain whether or not i am a better hitter than roberto alomar,
or a better pitcher than juan guzman, or a better center fielder than
devon white. after all, if i were on the blue jays, can you really
prove that they wouldn't have won the world series in both 1991 AND
1992?
while i thank you, mister maynard, for your faith in my atheletic
prowess, i can assure you that your faith is misplaced. | 0 |
2,859 |
No, Boston probably won't go down easy, but if the Sabres hadn't won
game one Buffalo would have been out in four.
And what problem are you having with playoff games here in
Buffalo???!!!??? There's the Sabres-Bruins, Quebec-Montreal, and
whatever ESPN and ABC show, and on opposite nights there's
Toronto-Detroit and whatever ESPN(/ABC) shows. More hockey than a
good chunk of North America, either side of the border. It's
wonderful, and there are thousands of folks who'd kill to be in your
shoes, coverage-wise.
| 0 |
500 | MLB Standings and Scores for Wednesday, April 21st, 1993
(including yesterday's games)
NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
San Francisco Giants 09 05 .643 -- 8-2 Won 2 05-02 04-03
Houston Astros 07 06 .538 1.5 7-3 Lost 1 02-04 05-02
Atlanta Braves 08 07 .533 1.5 4-6 Won 1 04-03 04-04
Los Angeles Dodgers 06 08 .429 3.0 4-6 Lost 1 03-03 03-05
San Diego Padres 05 08 .385 3.5 4-6 Lost 1 03-04 02-04
Colorado Rockies 04 08 .333 4.0 4-6 Lost 2 03-03 01-05
Cincinnati Reds 04 09 .308 4.5 3-7 Won 2 02-04 02-05
NATIONAL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies 10 03 .769 -- 7-3 Won 2 06-01 04-02
St. Louis Cardinals 08 05 .615 2.0 6-4 Won 1 05-02 03-03
Chicago Cubs 07 06 .538 3.0 6-4 Won 1 04-03 03-03
Montreal Expos 07 06 .538 3.0 5-5 Won 2 04-03 03-03
Pittsburgh Pirates 07 06 .538 3.0 4-6 Lost 4 03-03 04-03
New York Mets 06 06 .500 3.5 4-6 Lost 2 02-04 04-02
Florida Marlins 04 09 .308 6.0 3-7 Lost 2 02-05 02-04
AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
Texas Rangers 08 04 .667 -- 6-4 Lost 1 04-02 04-02
California Angels 07 04 .636 0.5 6-4 Won 1 04-02 03-02
Minnesota Twins 07 05 .583 1.0 6-4 Won 1 04-03 03-02
Chicago White Sox 06 07 .462 2.5 4-6 Won 1 02-03 04-04
Oakland Athletics 05 06 .455 2.5 4-6 Won 1 05-02 00-04
Seattle Mariners 05 08 .385 3.5 3-7 Lost 1 03-03 02-05
Kansas City Royals 04 09 .308 4.5 4-6 Won 2 02-05 02-04
AMERICAN EAST
Boston Red Sox 11 03 .786 -- 8-2 Won 4 06-01 05-02
Detroit Tigers 08 05 .615 2.5 7-3 Won 1 06-01 02-04
Toronto Blue Jays 07 06 .538 3.5 5-5 Lost 1 04-02 03-04
New York Yankees 06 07 .462 4.5 5-5 Lost 3 03-03 03-04
Milwaukee Brewers 04 06 .400 5.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-02 02-04
Cleveland Indians 05 09 .357 6.0 3-7 Lost 2 04-03 01-06
Baltimore Orioles 04 08 .333 6.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-04 02-04
YESTERDAY'S SCORES
(IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)
NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE
Houston Astros 1 Chicago White Sox 2
Chicago Cubs 2 Baltimore Orioles 1 (14)
Los Angeles Dodgers 3 Texas Rangers 1
Montreal Expos 7 Detroit Tigers 3
Cincinnati Reds 5 Milwaukee Brewers 0
Pittsburgh Pirates 0 Minnesota Twins 10
Atlanta Braves 5 Toronto Blue Jays 2
Florida Marlins 4 Kansas City Royals 8
San Diego Padres 3 Cleveland Indians 2
Philadelphia Phillies 4 (14) California Angels 7
San Francisco Giants 4 New York Yankees 7
New York Mets 1 (11) Oakland Athletics 9 (10)
Colorado Rockies 0 Boston Red Sox 5
St. Louis Cardinals 5 Seattle Mariners 2
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1,547 | How about changing team names!
Post your choices!
Here I'll start:
How about the
Baltimore Baseblazers
San Francisco Quakes | 0 |
2,675 |
His performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury
received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the Cincy series.
It may also be him pressing a little.
As for the baserunning, it does not appear to be just Lankford.
Dent made the bad call sending Lankford in the Sunday night game
against Cincy - but everyone had a bad time against the Dodger's catcher.
Good question. At least it doesn't appear that we are seeing the
same Zeile :-)
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1,374 |
TRIVIA TIME!!! OK, We all know that Dave "My Batting Average is Down
in the" Valle caught Chris Bosio's no hitter last night (and is batting over
.300, BTW). Here is the question: Who caught Randy Johnson's no-hitter
in June of 1990. (Hint: Not Dave Valle :-)) | 0 |
6,392 |
Well, Your Majesty, ;^), couldn't you just picture it? Cherry starts doing
his first post-game interview with Barrasso; Tommy gives him that little look
(like somebody crapped on his shoe) and then proceeds to give Don a
tonsilectomy with his Sher-Wood. Now that you could put on pay-per-view!
Hope you had a good laugh! | 0 |
5,280 | Like Clinton and Reno, I accept full responsibility for this
senseless disaster. My wife and I picked this game to go to
and thus caused the return of the pre-season-projected Sox
offense. Like all no-no's Bosio was good, lucky (hard grounder
by Vaughn off T. Martinez' glove but straight to Boone who
threw to Bosio at first, 3-4-1), and backed by good defense
(many non-trivial groundouts). The game was amazingly fast,
as the Sox tended to go down quickly and Hesketh was also
working fast. The Sox relief pitching was ok -- the runs off
Quantrill were on two ridiculous bloops and a hard line single
which Greenwell let get past him trying for a catch.
Greenwell's mental stability is a serious concern (I guess it
has always been, but his quirks were amusing back when he was
an MVP candidate). Wednesday he got in a huff with Johnson a
after striking out on a bad inside pitch (apparently Johnson
made an "ok, I've got to stay focused" gesture which Iron Mike
interpreted as taunting), and struck out to heavy booing the
next two times. As Valentine noted, last night he came up in
the first after Riles and Quintana had walked to open the game.
Can you say "take the first pitch"? Not Mike, who dribbled it
into a 6-4-3. The PI quoted Bosio that this was a "batting
practice fastball". Next time up he also hit the first pitch,
a hard liner straight to KGJr in center. He also made the
pathetic error and failed to catch Boone's HR (which looked
comparable to the ball Lance Johnson caught on the highlight
reel that night).
Is Riles suppsoed to be good defensively? I couldn't tell from
the field angle but his range looked bad, and he coughed a DP
that cost a run or two. Why was he leadoff? I hope Fletcher
gets well soon.
Also on lineups, Pinella put Bret Boone fifth for reasons beyond
me. It seemed to work, as he was 3-4 with a HR and some good
defense (a wag behind us said "He sure don't want to go back to
Calgary!") There is a theory that you put a leadoff type fifth
because they'll likely lead off the second (as Boone did).
Well, now we face the hot Angels and another power pitcher in
Langston. A reminder that contest entries are open through next
Wednesday -- I expect a surge of pessimism. By the way, ties will
be broken by earliest entry. One entry per person or pseudonym,
please, and easy on the pseudonyms. | 0 |
7,469 | Subject sez it...
Wondering if either team are in town that weekend (5-30/5-31).
I can probably get Phillies tix, as the Vet can hold a bunch (and
I hope they're still in 1st but it's late may, and...). Camden
Yards is a problem - is there any way of getting in the park w/o an SRO
ticket? Any advice if there at home?
Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com | 0 |
5,576 | NOTE: Saturday, April 20th's scores should be sent out by this coming Friday.
MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 20th, 1993
(including yesterday's games)
NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
San Francisco Giants 08 05 .615 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-02 03-03
Houston Astros 07 05 .583 0.5 7-3 Won 1 02-04 05-01
Atlanta Braves 07 07 .500 1.5 4-6 Lost 1 04-03 03-04
Los Angeles Dodgers 06 07 .462 2.0 4-6 Won 3 03-03 03-04
San Diego Padres 05 07 .417 2.5 5-5 Won 3 03-04 02-03
Colorado Rockies 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Lost 1 03-03 01-04
Cincinnati Reds 03 09 .250 4.5 2-8 Won 1 02-04 01-05
NATIONAL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies 09 03 .750 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-01 04-02
Pittsburgh Pirates 07 05 .583 2.0 5-5 Lost 3 03-02 04-03
St. Louis Cardinals 07 05 .583 2.0 6-4 Lost 3 04-02 03-03
New York Mets 06 05 .545 2.5 5-5 Lost 1 02-03 04-02
Chicago Cubs 06 06 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-03 03-03
Montreal Expos 06 06 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 1 03-03 03-03
Florida Marlins 04 08 .333 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 02-04
AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
Texas Rangers 08 03 .727 -- 7-3 Won 2 04-02 04-01
California Angels 06 04 .600 1.5 6-4 Lost 1 03-02 03-02
Minnesota Twins 06 05 .545 2.0 6-4 Lost 1 03-03 03-02
Chicago White Sox 05 07 .417 3.5 4-6 Lost 3 02-03 03-04
Seattle Mariners 05 07 .417 3.5 4-6 Won 1 03-02 02-05
Oakland Athletics 04 06 .400 3.5 4-6 Lost 4 04-02 00-04
Kansas City Royals 03 09 .250 5.5 3-7 Won 1 01-05 02-04
AMERICAN EAST
Boston Red Sox 10 03 .769 -- 7-3 Won 3 06-01 04-02
Detroit Tigers 07 05 .583 2.5 7-3 Lost 1 05-01 02-04
Toronto Blue Jays 07 05 .583 2.5 6-4 Won 1 04-02 03-03
New York Yankees 06 06 .500 3.5 5-5 Lost 2 03-03 03-03
Milwaukee Brewers 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 2 02-02 02-03
Cleveland Indians 05 08 .385 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 04-03 01-05
Baltimore Orioles 04 07 .364 5.0 4-6 Won 1 02-03 02-04
YESTERDAY'S SCORES
(IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)
NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE
Houston Astros PPD Chicago White Sox 0
Chicago Cubs RAIN Boston Red Sox 6
Atlanta Braves IDLE Toronto Blue Jays 7
Cincinnati Reds IDLE Cleveland Indians 1
Colorado Rockies IDLE Seattle Mariners 10
Florida Marlins IDLE Detroit Tigers 6
Los Angeles Dodgers IDLE Baltimore Orioles IDLE
Montreal Expos IDLE California Angels IDLE
New York Mets IDLE Kansas City Royals IDLE
Philadelphia PhilliesIDLE Milwaukee Brewers IDLE
Pittsburgh Pirates IDLE Minnesota Twins IDLE
St. Louis Cardinals IDLE New York Yankees IDLE
San Francisco Giants IDLE Oakland Athletics IDLE
San Diego Padres IDLE Texas Rangers IDLE
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5,686 | Oh, yea, and Chris Bosio pitched a NO-HITTER. One over the minimum, two
bases on ball in the first inning, one runner left, 95 pitches. I listened
to the game on radio and listening to Dave Niehaus call the game was a
real treat (as long as they keep Ron Fairly quite, I doubt if anyone is
better than Niehaus -- but that Fairly guy is really annoying me).
But, I guess if Clemens or Viola had been pitching, it would have
been a different story :-)
Two shutouts in two nights against the hottest, best hitting team in
Major League baseball .... Pretty impressive in any league.
Man, if Johnson, Bosio and Hanson keep going the Mariners could be a
really interesting team to follow this year. Also, John Cummings (rookie)
has had three solid outings with no support. If Fleming comes back
this may be the best starting staff in the American League this year
(relief is another story, though - grimace).
Too cool. The first no-hitter that I have been able to follow from
start to end. And again, I think Niehaus will win some kind of award
for the way he called the game. The guy is truly a joy to listen to --
he deserves a pennant race ... | 0 |
7,484 |
We cannot isolate completely, Roger, but we can make a pretty good
estimate. I won't claim to split hairs and say that we can really
measure who was better, Robby Alomar or Carlos Baerga, last year; the
difference is too close to call. But Larkin and Lee? Clemens and
Morris? The differences are too great there.
In your measure of the game, why should a team that has just won it
all ever replace a single player? Since they are now clearly "best",
how can they do better? Yet every team can always find someplace where
they beleive they can improve the team; they can always find a player
a little better than one they already have. (BTW, by my definitions,
the "best" player is the one who does the most things to help his team
win. I will allow that this could vary depending on who else is on the
team, by having aptitudes one team needs more than others.)
Baseball is a team game, but it is made of individual talents. It is
absurd to judge the success or failure of an individual by the success
or failure of his teammates, whom he did not choose (at least in most
cases.) Morris won last year because he played on a team with Joe
Carter, Robby Alomar, Tom Henke, Juan Guzman, John Olerud, et al.
Clemens lost because he was surrounded by such lesser performers as
Herm Winninham, Luis Rivera, and Jeff Reardon. To define the quality
of the team as a sum of its components (as I do, albeit imperfectly)
is a lesser error than defining the quality of an individual as the
mean quality of the team (as my reading of your arguments suggests you
do) | 0 |
4,525 | Tonight will see the Toronto Maple Leafs, as some have guessed, come out
hitting! The "Buds" will grind Detroit into the ground and walk away with
home ice advantage for the remainder of the series... which given a shift to
Toronto, will not last long. (Keep in mind this is only a predicition).
Wendall will have to get into the game however otherwise Probert will
dominate on the physical front.
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2,060 |
It took three days to get to us, but I'll try anyway as I naturally
haven't seen the answer.
SAFE. The correct call is "Infield Fly, (batter out) if fair". Runners
may advance at own risk. (Gotta tag up if caught, etc.) It is not a
force, and the pop was not caught, so regardless of whether the SS
tags 3B or 2B (it wasn't clear, above), he hasn't got the runner out.
OUT. See rule 6.05(L) APPROVED RULING. (Below). In this case, the
umpire has decided for whatever reason that the infield fly rule
doesn't apply. (Sounds like a bad call here, but that's not the
point). The batter is not out, so a force situation is created.
Therefore, the runner is out. ( UNLESS, by rule 6.05(L) the ball is
dead AND the batter is safe, then I guess the runners would advance
unmolested. I can't really tell from 6.05(L) that the ball is dead in
this situation.)
Pertinent rules: 2.00 Definition of Infield Fly: "When an Infield fly
is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly
rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains
in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05(L). The Infield Fly rule
takes precedence."
6.05(L) A batter is out when: an infielder intentionally drops a fair
fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and thrid,
or first,second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball
is dead and the runners or runners shall return to their original base
or bases. APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if
the infielder permits the ball the drop untouched to the ground,
except when the infield fly rule applies.
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5,943 |
If my powerplay was as bad as Montreal's, I'd be thanking Stewart for calling
as few penalties as possible. Quebec's powerplay is lethal and it is to their
advantage to have a penalty-filled game where they can clean up with their
superior powerplay.
Montreal really lost that game (and game 2) because Patrick Roy is well on
his way to having another one of his trademark awful playoffs. The man is
truly overrated. Quebec has scored six goals on Roy and four, perhaps five,
were quite stoppable. | 0 |
835 | Actually, I was angry when they went away from the Pens game.
Being a Pens fan in central Virginia is kinda tough. I only
get to see them on ESPN, and when they play the Caps, cause
we're close enough to DC to get all the Caps games, so when
ESPN switched to the Caps, . . . AAAGGGHHH! | 0 |
7,223 |
I'm glad Grant Fuhr will never be as over-confident after two wins
as you are...it takes four wins to defeat an opponent...each tougher
to obtain than the previous one. Buffalo is off to a good start...
Fuhr is proving the Fuhr-bashers wrong, but Boston is an awfully
good team. | 0 |
4,570 |
As the Rangers found out in last year's playoffs, it's too late to
try line-juggling at this point.
gld | 0 |
7,487 | My father is a huge Tiger fan, and I am a loyal Blue Jay fan, who endured the collapse of 87, the heartbreak of 85.
I don't have the stat book, so let's throw them out.
First of all, Morris in his heyday (81-88) vs Clemens (86-present).
How many Cy Youngs does Morris have?
How many Cy youngs does Clemens have?
Ballparks and such... Fenway average pitchers park. Detroit, hugh hitters
paradise.
Morris is a great team pitcher, sort of in the Doug Drabek mold.
If Morris's team needs a well pitched game, as in Minn in 91, Morris
snaps the ball, and throw for Ks. Otherwise, he just tries to get people out.
As for Clemens, in the Elias Stat Book of 1992, I believe
that Clemens has the best lifetime record for his team, as compared to
when he doesn't pitch. How bad would the Red sox have been last year
without him? Can you say 92 Phillies?
I believe Clemens is the better pitcher because of more power, and hsi
great tenacity. Morris is among the guttiest pitchers I;ve ever seen,
but Clemens is in a class with Seaver, Carlton, etc. | 0 |
7,279 | Just some thoughts:
I don't usually like to post simply to make fun of a player,
but this time I couldn't resist. During the Pens-Devils game
last night, second period, I think Kevin Stevens was in the
penalty box, Nicholls punched Kjell Samuellson in the face,
then raised his stick like a two handed sword to defend
himself! All Kjell could do, at 8'7" and 355 pounds, was laugh!
And speaking of Swedish Penguins defensemen, Ulf is getting a
little out of hand lately. His cheap shots are getting more
frequent and more violent. As everybody in the Meadowlands
except for the officials could see last night, he rammed the
butt of his stick down one of the Devil's throat. I've always
supported the argument "he does his job by being irritating,"
but he's starting to push it over the edge IMHO. Of course,
Holik's chop to Barrasso's neck wasn't too sportsmanlike either.
It seems that he was following the "The only way to beat the
Penguins is to injure them" philosophy.
As my Modern Drama professor pointed out to me the other day,
Jagr was stoned pretty well Tuesday night, and last night as
well, although the 30 seconds he danced around the Devils end
was pretty exciting. | 0 |
2,650 | I don't know if anyone has posted a message like this yet, but i'm
getting really sick of espn showing the last minute of a hockey
game, in which the score was just tied, and then cutting out and saying
"sorry we can't show you this we have to show baseball tonight" (not
even a game. a friggin HIGHLIGHT show).
gee, sure would have been nice to see the isles/caps in overtime.
I live in Pittsburgh (yes i'm a pens fan) where hockey gets a lot
of coverage. i can only imagine how a caps fan residing in Texas
must feel.
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79 | [...]
Tim Wallach can be explained with the rabbitball. Deion can be explained
as "learning how to play the game". I'm not betting that Deion will be able
to play as well as last year, but I think the odds of Deion playing as well
or better than he did last year are better than the odds of Otis Nixon
doing the same thing. When you factor in defense, Otis was more valuable last
year. But I'm not convinced he'll be more valuable this year, and especially
next year.
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Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
2,108 |
OK, here is my try:
Lukko, Finland
(look at the colors of his mask)
ex-JyPHT, Finland, now in Germany
Excellent defenseman
HIFK, Finland
Tappara, Finland
HPK, Finland
Jokerit, Finland
HPK, Finland
JyPHT, Finland, no new contract
JyPHT owns his player rights
All of these Czechs (Kadlec, Dolezal not anymore) are very good hockey
players. It is a big surprise that Hlinka selected Dolezal.
"Dole" had a bad season in JyPHT and that's why they didn't make
a new contract. The other Czech we had, Jiri Jonak, got fired also. | 0 |
6,684 | -=> Quoting The Logistician to All <=-
TL> I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now
TL> only of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly
TL> appreciated.
TL> Thanx.
Hi there Logistician, is not Paul Coffey wearing
# 77 for the Detroit Red Wings?
That is the only other one (besides Borque) that I can think of
hope it helps.
Steve
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714 | But I have to agree.. Boston is a good team.. But streaky... They put
together a great streak to capture first place in the Adams, but for what?
They have lost the home ice advantage for at least the first round, and might
not make it out of it.
I would love to see the Sabres win the first round, even though I bet on the
Bruins (a 12-pack).
Oh well, perhaps I should start betting against the Sabres more often! ;-)
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2,911 | : >|> >(2) Having Bonds batting behind Williams means that Matt will get
: >|> > more good pitches to hit. This is important since he struggles
: >|> > so much with breaking balls. Opposing pitchers don't want to
: >|> > walk Williams to get to Bonds.
: >
: >I have to wonder if this "good hitter behind you" argument is really valid.
: >Has anyone done a study on this.
:
: You want a study? Look at Matt Williams the year after
: Mitchell was gone. Look no further. Not a scientific
: study, but it'll show the truth for Matt. Besides, Bonds
: _wants_ to bat 5th
I had thought that Williams batted after Mitchell. Wouldn't that show that
Williams does better at 5th rather than 4th?
The point is moot, though, becase Clark pretty much demands to be 3rd
and, like you point out, Bonds does like to bat 5th. The only person
left to bat 4th is Williams. | 0 |
5,206 | It's me again! | 0 |
3,713 | Just wanted to let all the people who e-mailed me about
a possible Cardinals mailing list that I wasn't able to
get the OK to host the list here so someone else will
have to do it. :-(
Many thanks to Bob Netherton for his helpful info. | 0 |
6,981 | Jason Lee asks:
You must have heard wrong. His arm is still sore. He hasn't gone on the DL,
but he may. Managmenet is treating him as a day-to-day situation.
His doctors thought that he was ready, and they had him throw in
Colorado, but his arm wasn't up to the strain. He is throwing every day,
but he's just not quite ready to pitch full strength yet.
(This is based on an interview that he gave on WFAN NY radio on Thursday,
4/23) | 0 |
2,022 | The best one I saw last year was Willie McGee off Matthews (I think?) in
Phillie. A fierce line drive that was still rising when it hit thE
second deck facade at the Vet. Willie McGee had one homerun last year.
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2,792 | Hey guys, who is this Jack Morris fella ??????
ONLY JOKING !!!!! But try to lighten up will ya ? The season's only just
started and everyone's apoplectic. If all you statheads out there are trying to
justify how Morris is doing at the moment, just remember that we're talking
about a very small sample size. There is a helluva long way to go, so sit back
and enjoy the ride. | 0 |
6,444 |
My mistake. | 0 |
3,096 |
But of course, it is expected that umpires will show up players.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the nature of the game, but I just
believe that a little ego-ectomy for the umpires would make the game
much better.
Ted
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"Social nags and body bags, make you dead, what a drag drag drag."
-- Saigon Kick, body bags, The Lizard | 0 |
96 |
At the time I didn't really want the Sox to sign either. I was more
than a little worried about Viola's elbow.
But you *surely* remember my shout of relief when, after a week of
rumors that Morris was coming to the Red Sox, they ended up with Viola
instead.
Now I'm even happier. Viola seems to have rebounded nicely.
How long did Viola sign for. Three years? I generally agree with
their policy of avoiding long-term contracts for pitchers. But I
think they enforce it rather too strictly. These days the premier
pitchers all sign three or four year deals. Which leaves the Jays
with Morris and Stewart. If the Jays want to compete for top free
agent pitchers, they will have to accept greater risks.
Any idea what the option year deal is for Morris? Are there any
automatic activation clauses? What is the buyout amount?f | 0 |
488 |
Yep. And the Ks don't have to denote a slow game, either. Last night,
Sid Fernandez was mowing the Giants hitters down (14 Ks in 8 innings),
yet the first 7 1/2 innings of the game were quite brisk.
He also threw 119 pitches, leading me to believe it isn't just the
number of pitches that determines the length of a game, but the
behavior *between* pitches.
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4,877 | Is there a Chicago Cubs mailing list?? If so, I'd like to join.
Any help appreciated....
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2,456 |
Wait a minute. If I read the rules right. A stike is ANY portion of the ball
over ANY portion of the plate.
Given that the ball is ~ 2.9 "" in diameter. This sez that the zone width
is ~= 17 + (2 * 2.9) or 22.8 "" . While this is still less than the 23 "
number given. I can forgive any UMP for misjudging .2" on an object moving
at 85 to 100 miles per hour many times not in a straight line.
I think the Umpires Union has a great grasp of the rules!!!
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6,456 | only
appreciated.
Pierre Turgeon, formely of the Sabres and now of the Isles wears #77 (at
least he did in Buffalo ...) | 0 |
1,611 |
Viola has only played in the NL with the Mets -- not possible for him
to have defeated or lost to every team. Ditto for Tanana who was mentioned
in a previous post.
I don't remember if Seaver managed to get a win against the White Sox
in his brief sojourn with Boston so I'd say the other pitcher to defeat every
team is either Mike Torrez (he bounced around enough for a long enough period
of time) or Koosman as mentioned. I would also guess that if one of these
two did not manage to beat every team he did manage to lose to every team.
Tom
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6,749 |
True. William "Dummy" Hoy was baseball's first deaf player. He
played in the bigs from 1888 through 1903 for several teams, including
the White Sox and Reds.
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2,130 |
There is a fine line between "getting players' input" and "knuckling
under to players' demands." A manager, much like a military officer,
needs to have his (her) players' complete obedience and respect during
a game. After the game, it's no big deal, but when there is no time
to do more than react, players must trust the manager or the team often
falls apart (see: Boston Red Sox, ff. :) )
Strawberry's demeanor as represented by the media, often sounds like
demands. I suspect that a comment like "I enjoy hitting fourth; I'm
used to it" would get pretty brutally misinterpreted by the media if
it came from Strawberry. Russ Porter quoted Strawberry as saying,
"I feel more comfortable hitting cleanup and I think I perform best
in that role." (Paraphrased by my memory and bias.) That seems like
a fairly non-petulant answer to what was almost certainly a question
like, "How do you feel about being moved to the third spot in the order?"
A more media-sensitive player might answer "The manager knows what he is
doing. If he thinks that batting me third will help the team, then I
am all for it." We'd ignore that answer as brown stuff, so it seems a
little bit of an overreaction to brand Darryl's response as petulant.
Personally, I think his argument is nonsense and that it really doesn't
matter much in which order the #2-5 players in the order are batted,
except for personal stats. If I were Darryl, I'd probably answer that
question, "The number four spot gets a few more RBI opportunities and I get
paid for RBIs. I think it is best for me to bat fourth, but I am willing
to hit third if Tommy thinks it will benefit the team." or something like
that. It would be helpful at salary time--my RBIs were down because I was
hitting third--and make him sound like a "team" player. Since Strawberry
will not likely go through arbitration, but use the free agent market for
his next contract, maybe that argument is useless, but it would help
his image with the media without appearing to be totally content-free. | 0 |
341 |
Here are the ones I can remember offhand:
KDKA 1020 AM Pittsburgh Penguins
WABC 770 AM New Jersey Devils
WBBM 780 AM Chicago Blackhawks
WJM (?) 720 AM Detroit Redwings
KMOX 1120 AM St. Louis Blues
Are the Flyers on 1210?
That's all I can think of. | 0 |
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1,024 | Here's a summary of Don Cherry's Coach's Corner from April 21, 1993.
The game being broadcast in my region was LA and Calgary, although
I think it was filmed during the Toronto-Detroit game that night.
(Warning... Anti-fighting people may want to skip this post.)
Topics
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Don's Tie, Grant Fuhr, Penalties, Wings vs Leafs, Fighting, Dale Hunter.
Episode Summary
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This episode began with the camera zoomed in on Don's tie. Don was
pointing out the characters on the tie... Bugs Bunny, Foghorn Leghorn,
and Yosemite Sam (who Don called Lanny Macdonald.)
Ron Maclean began by mentioning that Don was almost evicted from a
hotel where he was watching the previous night's games, because of
all the yelling and cheering he was doing over the play of Hunter
and Fuhr.
Don began to praise Fuhr, calling him the "greatest goalie", and
said that he's winning the series against Boston all by himself.
He then showed clips from earlier episodes (Nov. 14, Jan. 16) when
Fuhr was still with the Leafs, and Don advised "Don't Trade Fuhr!"
Don went on to predict that if Buffalo gets by Boston, it would
be Fuhr who wins the series. Muckler took a lot of heat for the
trade, but Don feels Muckler's been vindicated.
The next topic involved how playoff games are being ruined by
too many penalty calls. He showed a clip from a Winnipeg-Vancouver
game, where Domi hit a Vancouver player, and was given a 2 min. penalty.
Ron said that it was called a penalty because his stick was involved,
but Don stuck with the opinion that it was a good hit, with Domi
hitting the Vancouver player with his shoulder. Don: "Its sad what
they're doing for hockey... a 5 minute penalty for a nosebleed."
Next, they went to the playoff series between Detroit and Toronto.
People in Detroit were calling Wendel Clarke "Wendy" for not fighting.
However, Don pointed out that Probert was not fighting either.
This lead Don into a tirad about fighting and stickwork, and how
banning fighting leads to more high sticking: "It's like college
hockey... The little wee guy with the visor is brave as anybody.
That's why you're seeing so much stickwork. Because they know you
won't drop your gloves and give them a shot. The rules are made
by people who don't know what's going on in hockey".
The final topic Don discussed was Dale Hunter. Don pointed out
that he was leading the league in goals, and showed a clip
of Hunter from a previous game. When he was younger, Hunter was
taught to "play to win", which differs from today's idea of
just letting kids have fun.
At then end of the episode, they showed a clip from a coach's
corner, with the tape on fast forward, so that Don sounded like
one of the chipmunks.
Rating
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Typical anti-fighting posturing, not too much humour, but some
good quotes.
I'd give it a 7.0 out of 10.
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"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the
credit..." - U. of A. Golden Bears Hockey Motto (C. Drake) | 0 |
7,334 |
But why McGwire, and not Carter? I can see some justification for Bonds or
Thomas, because they tend to have higher batting averages, but the major
difference I see between McGwire and Carter is that Carter doesn't draw
walks. Why aren't pitchers afraid to throw strikes to Carter? | 0 |
2,017 |
I beg to differ, he had a couple 3 hit games after he came back. He did
get caught stealing though. He also missed sunday's game. Did he play
tonight? If not, I'm worried. He's on my team too. | 0 |
7,219 | Hey folks,
Saw the Giants play ball at the 'Stick Saturday, April 17. It was the game
where Pendelton broke up the scoreless tie in the ninth with a two-out,
two-run homer to right to win it. (It wasn't the game where the fans
threw the give-away "fotoballs" onto the field in response to the homer --
too bad, huh?)
Well, the 'Stick is still cold. The Saturday game ended at 5:45pm, and it
was cold then. I can't imagine night games in April at the 'Stick. The
wind kicked up a little, too, and I got this idea.
At most games, there's a pile of hot dog wrappers and cups and trash on
the field a lot of the time. I propose a Kid's Clean-up Corps composed
mainly of 10-12 year old kids who would love nothing better than to run
out on the field in the fifth inning (when the guy in the Toro smooths
the infield) and grab the trash.
It might not be glamorous, but at that age I probably would have given
anything to be on the field with the ballplayers. Everybody wins here!
Whaddaya think? | 0 |
7,138 | There was a discussion about how real fans were ones who respect their teams
no matter ow bad they are. That's bullshit. Anyone who would follow the
Pens or the Pirates in parts of the early eighties on a devoted basis are
losers. It's OK to follow and be concerned about your home team. But
to give them respect even when it is clear the management and the players suck
should not be required of a true fan.A true fan would follow the team in
troubled times to the extent that they could discuss how to improve the team.
When I visit PIttsburgh, I'll refuse to go to a Pirates game since I think
the management has given PIttsburgh a team which could have been much better
even if they couldn't sign Barry Bonds. Lert's say the Pens start doing to
their own team what the Oilers have done this year and what the Whalers have
done in recent years, I would be hard pressed to show much enthusiasm for the
team. I'll still follow it and bitch about it. But I won't waste my
money on mediocre teams. | 0 |
6,553 | He
dimmagio's.
Henderson's stat's are probably closer to DiMaggio's than you
think.
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6,404 |
Well, on the contrary, I thought Dave was rather taken with her and her
accent..."(H)ockey is my passion"... | 0 |
2,842 | I have to agree wholeheartedly with this view. I don't like to see stickwork,
but you have to clear players away from in front. My personal favorite move
(I'm a goalie too) is to give the offeding player a good whack on the back
of their skates when the ref isn't looking. Makes 'em go down like a ton of
bricks, but doesn't cause injuries unless they don't know how to fall (I'm
talking about hitting the blades here, not the foot). It also makes the
player you hit and anyone who sees really mad and apt to take a stupid
retaliation penalty. Unfortunately, it also leaves your blocker out of
position for a short time...I don't do this if a shot is likely on the short
side. Hmm....maybe I should mail Potvin this method (in French and with
helpful diagrams, of course). It sure would be nice to see Ciccerelli (who
I have a great deal of respect for, BTW, he's not a big guy, but he plays
huge!) fall on his back a few times! :-) | 0 |
3,373 |
The answer is in the FAQ for this group. nough said.
| 0 |
4,350 |
I was in fact going to suggest that Roger take his way of discussion over
to r.s.football.pro. There this kind of hormone-only reasoning is the
standard. Being he canadian, and hockey what it is, I would have suggested
that r.s.h would work too. It is important in a thread that everyone
involved use the same body part to produce a post (brain being the organ
of choice here). | 0 |
5,095 |
: Bowman is the genius...Johnson isn't. Bowman is a great coach...Johnson,
: a very good one. However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and
: Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and
: delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is
: a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part.
IMHO Bowman is the perfect coach for this group of players at
this time. Johnson was the perfect coach two years ago for his
group of players. I would say we have been very lucky here in
Pittsburgh that the order these coaches came in was this one.
(Excluding the unfortunate circumstances which brought about the
change.) With the immense talent on the Penguins roster this
year, a tougher Bowman keeps the egos in check. Johnson on the
other hand, was able to inspire the younger, inexperienced players
to new heights. Both coaches have / had different strengths. Both
of which came at exactly the right time.
Another person also mentioned that Bowman is the perfect coach
for this time since nobody can argue with his decisions. How can
you argue with the coach with the best record in hockey anyway?
Playing for a great coach like that demands respect which also
keeps the egos in check.
Just a couple of ideas.
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5,006 | 0 | |
943 | So if Potvin can pound on Dino, what happens when Dino pounds
on him? If Dino gets his legs slashed, can he slash Potvin
in return? This year at a UM-LSSU hockey game, a UM player
was called for a slash when he hit the goalie's glove with
his stick. Is that slashing, while hitting someone's ankles
isn't? How do the refs know what to call? Do the goalies
get more liberties than other players?
| 0 |
7,038 | To all the Braves doubters:
Don't worry. The bats will come alive, and the Braves will come around.
The pitching is solid, and as long the Braves don't have serious injuries
to the starting rotation, they'll continue to pitch well. Heck, with
the five starters on the Braves rotation, they could even sustain an
injury to one of the five (I hope this doesn't happen, though).
The bats are there... Pendleton will certainly bat over .280, Justice
is catching fire, Bream, Nixon, Sanders, Gant... well, there's too
much offense there to be kept quiet for much longer. Right now, the
Cleveland Indians have 7 players batting over .300! But I certainly
wouldn't their seven for our respective seven (though wouldn't the
Braves be something right now with their pitching and 7 players batting
over .300?).
The bullpen... well, it IS suspect. But when the bats come alive, the
guys in the bullpen will be of less concern.
So anyway, I believe the Braves will be tough to beat this season. I'm
not saying the Braves have automatically won the division, but I'm optim-
istic about their season (though it's awful painful to watch them at
times right now).
Go Braves!!! | 0 |
5,021 |
I saw Messier and Leetch shooting at a camera on Letterman(?). I
could have been any show though, since I watch NONE of those late
night shows very regularly.
-John Santore
Philadelphia Flyers in '93-'94!
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____________________
/ \ "We break the surface tension
\_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"
/ / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs
\_______ / (*) ) )
/ / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers!
\_____ / / /
/ / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)
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4,536 | Does anyone know the status of Jeffries or Arocha?
| 0 |
4,686 |
As will I, and the Ultimate Lurker. | 0 |
1,598 | Last night, Boston Red Sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating Seattle
5-2. Roger Clemson pitch not so dominate. He walked at least 6 man in
first 6 inns. But Valetin and Greenwell hit homeruns and Red Sox prevail. | 0 |
3,996 |
Gee, they lost to St. Louis twice this year. Maybe you should have your
eyes checked. 8^)
Go Blues....the Rodney Dangerfield team....They get no respect....except
in Chicago mabee... | 0 |
6,243 | Anyone have any idea how to get Japanese League stats regularly in the US?
- matt
wall@cc.swarthmore.edu
Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK? | 0 |
610 |
Be patient. He has a sore shoulder from crashing into the wall.
The Cards will give him all the time he needs to come around.
He is their full time centerfielder.
He will not however steal as often this year as he is hitting
clean-up. | 0 |
2,479 | [...]
Actually, according to the DA information posted by Sherri, Boggs is superior
defensively to have. Here's their Defensive Averages for the last five
years: [compared to average at 3b, AL]
1988 1989 1990 1991 1992
Boggs .643[+2] .659[+47] .550[-54] .653[+33] .634[+32]
Hayes ------- .601[-40] .622[+18] .606[-14] .574[-28]
If Hayes is a defensive standout at third, he's done a good job in disguising
it. To put it another way, compared to an average third baseman last year:
Boggs converted 11 more grounders into outs, turned 2 more double plays, and
prevented 11 doubles.
Hayes let 12 more grounders go by for hits, turned 6 more double plays, and
prevented 4 doubles.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
7,128 |
I really don't want to get into a DidSo-DidNot debate with you. But
this is somewhat at the heart of our disagreement. I did not say,
nor did I imply, that I could predict the future. You have inferred
that my comments meant this, and you have based your rebuttal of my
comments on the fact that statistical studies have demonstrated that
there is no reasonable basis for predicting future performance in
regard to clutch hitting.
Sabo 1539 452 .294 259 59 .228
Samuel 1564 383 .245 278 83 .299
That is *your* opinion that Sabo is "clearly a better hitter" than
Samuel. The above data is for a 4-year period ending last season.
Last season Samuel batted .272 while Sabo hit .244 (not park adjusted).
This season they are both hitting below .200, albeit Sabo with more
at bats. I will agree that over his career Sabo has been a better
hitter than Samuel, but I will also remind you that Samuel has been
a better hitter in certain situations than Sabo.
I did not predict that Sabo would choke, nor that Samuel would get a
hit. I expressed my opinion that had I been the Reds manager (or
even a Reds fan) that I would prefer to have Samuel hit in that
situation than Sabo.
Ah. "properly". Yes. I see.
Please help me. What, exactly, is "everything else" that pointed to Sabo?
I must say, I was not aware of the publication. Can you email me the
information regarding its availability?
And I guess I must apologize to all of those who have done extensive
study on, say, supply side economics. I didn't mean to insult you.
But I never did believe you were on the right path. I'm sorry for
my contrary opinion/position. I also regret that I don't have the
ability to prove that you are wrong. But you are.
It is what it says it is!
The "second" is *your* statement, not mine.
Well, actually, I haven't yet. But I'm not finished looking.
That is, I haven't yet found someone who hit significantly below
his overall batting average in clutch situations for the years
1989 - 91, and then reversed that relationship in 1992.
Nope. Sorry. But if you were interested in a reason why I expect
Chris Sabo's ability to hit in the clutch to correlate from one
year to the next, I think I could. If you were interested in a
reason why I expect Joe Carter's ability to hit in the clutch to
correlate from one year to the next, I think I could. But you're
not interested in that, because you think that those conclusions
could only be valid if they could be extrapolated over the entire
baseball population. And they can't be.
The problem here is that I *do* believe you. I accept your work.
I believe that trying to predict future clutch performance based
on prior clutch history is meaningless. No better than a coin toss.
I actually *do* accept your work.
As it happens, I also have an *opinion* that in certain situations,
for certain players, a history of superior or inferior ability to
hit in the clutch might suggest a reason what such history could be
valid in projecting future player performance. For that player.
And Chris Sabo is one such player.
Well, since I defer to your statistical wisdom, I think I must have
an open mind. Now we have to pose the same question to you.
-- The Beastmaster
| 0 |
915 | Teemu Selanne had 3 goals, Keith Tkachuk had one, and Luciano Borsato
scored a rare Jets shorthanded goal as the Jets held on to beat the
Canucks 5-4, and close the series to 2-1. Trevor Linden and Pavel
Bure had two goals each for the Canucks in a losing cause.
Selanne came out of a two game goal scoring slump, scoring two powerplay
goals, and one on a nice breakaway pass from Darrin Shannon.
Hard work paid off tonight for the Jets, and if the Jets continue to
exhibit this strong work effort, they can make a series of it. (I woofed
last year when we were up 3-1...I ain't going to do THAT again. I'll
have to be quietly happy with a solid performance. ;) | 0 |
5,594 |
^^^^^^^^^^
O.K. people, so it's not tied. I meant leads 2-1........ Shoot me if you
must.
-JPC
-- | 0 |
2,820 |
Well, when you say, without Morris, you have to mention an assumed
replacement. If the alternative to Morris was letting Cito Gaston
soft-toss the ball underhand to the opposition every 5 days, then
of course the Blue Jays wouldn't have won without Morris. If the
alternative was replacement level, then I think it would've been very
close, and yes, Morris might've made the difference. If the alternative
was Frank Viola, the Blue Jays probably would have won more easily with
Viola.
Yes. You can make the argument that the his presence prevented
the team from collapsing in August.
Those innings were probably helpful.
Well, I think is complete bs. What happened most of the time is that
Morris fell behind, and the team came back and rescued him. Mostly,
this is because he's a lousy 1st inning pitcher, and much better
the rest of the way. That the team can climb out of 4-0, 5-0 holes
consistently and win them 6-5 is not to Morris' credit; it's to the
team's credit.
Furthermore, while Morris did exceed the W-L percentage that would
be projected from his runs allowed and run support, he hasn't done
this in previous years. In fact, his W-L record in 1991 is a lot
worse than what it projects to be with run support and runs allowed.
Do you think he just came up with this ability in 1992.
Look at the 2 postseason games he pitched decently in. Typical
Morris games. Morris gets behind; team rescues him. He's not
responsible for that rescue. And in both those games, the team
just didn't rescue him enough. Jack Morris pitched as well as he did
during much of the season in those 2 games; the offense just didn't
earn him a victory.
Morris is one of those guys who will reture when he can't start
anymore; he's too bad a first inning pitcher to serve in the bullpen. | 0 |
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