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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Baiting actions. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:38.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So there's information abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:39.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | don't talk about general games, information abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:41.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which is the abstraction of what chance does. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:44.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And this would be the cards in the case of poker. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:47.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And then there's action abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:50.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which is abstracting the actions of the actual players, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:52.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which would be bets in the case of poker. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:57.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yourself and the other players? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:11:59.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yes, yourself and other players. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:01.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And for information abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:03.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | we were completely automated. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:08.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So these are algorithms, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:11.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but they do what we call potential aware abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:13.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | where we don't just look at the value of the hand, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:16.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but also how it might materialize | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:19.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | into good or bad hands over time. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:20.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And it's a certain kind of bottom up process | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:22.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | with integer programming there and clustering | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:25.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and various aspects, how do you build this abstraction? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:27.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And then in the action abstraction, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:31.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | there it's largely based on how humans and other AIs | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:34.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | have played this game in the past. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:40.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But in the beginning, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:42.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | we actually used an automated action abstraction technology, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:43.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which is provably convergent | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:47.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that it finds the optimal combination of bet sizes, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:51.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but it's not very scalable. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:54.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So we couldn't use it for the whole game, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:55.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but we use it for the first couple of betting actions. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:57.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So what's more important, the strength of the hand, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:12:59.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | so the information abstraction or the how you play them, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:03.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the actions, does it, you know, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:09.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the romanticized notion again, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:11.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | is that it doesn't matter what hands you have, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:13.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that the actions, the betting may be the way you win | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:15.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | no matter what hands you have. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:19.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, so that's why you have to play a lot of hands | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:20.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | so that the role of luck gets smaller. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:23.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So you could otherwise get lucky and get some good hands | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:26.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and then you're gonna win the match. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:29.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Even with thousands of hands, you can get lucky | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:31.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | because there's so much variance | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:35.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in No Limit Texas Holden because if we both go all in, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:36.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | it's a huge stack of variance, so there are these | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:40.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | massive swings in No Limit Texas Holden. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:43.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So that's why you have to play not just thousands, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:47.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but over 100,000 hands to get statistical significance. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:50.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So let me ask another way this question. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:55.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | If you didn't even look at your hands, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:13:57.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but they didn't know that, the opponents didn't know that, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:02.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how well would you be able to do? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:04.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Oh, that's a good question. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:06.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | There's actually, I heard this story | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:07.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that there's this Norwegian female poker player | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:09.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | called Annette Oberstad who's actually won a tournament | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:11.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | by doing exactly that, but that would be extremely rare. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:15.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So you cannot really play well that way. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:18.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Okay, so the hands do have some role to play, okay. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:23.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So Labradus does not use, as far as I understand, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:27.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | they use learning methods, deep learning. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:33.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Is there room for learning in, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:35.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | there's no reason why Labradus doesn't combine | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:40.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | with an AlphaGo type approach for estimating | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:44.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the quality for function estimator. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:46.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | What are your thoughts on this, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:49.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | maybe as compared to another algorithm | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:52.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which I'm not that familiar with, DeepStack, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:54.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the engine that does use deep learning, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:56.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that it's unclear how well it does, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:14:59.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but nevertheless uses deep learning. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:01.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So what are your thoughts about learning methods | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:03.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to aid in the way that Labradus plays in the game of poker? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:05.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, so as you said, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:09.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Labradus did not use learning methods | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:10.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and played very well without them. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:13.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Since then, we have actually, actually here, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:15.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | we have a couple of papers on things | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:17.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that do use learning techniques. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:20.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Excellent. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:22.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And deep learning in particular. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:24.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And sort of the way you're talking about | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:26.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | where it's learning an evaluation function, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:29.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but in imperfect information games, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:33.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | unlike let's say in Go or now also in chess and shogi, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:37.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | it's not sufficient to learn an evaluation for a state | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:42.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | because the value of an information set | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:47.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | depends not only on the exact state, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:52.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but it also depends on both players beliefs. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:55.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Like if I have a bad hand, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:15:59.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I'm much better off if the opponent thinks I have a good hand | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:01.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and vice versa. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:04.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | If I have a good hand, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:05.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I'm much better off if the opponent believes | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:06.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I have a bad hand. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:09.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So the value of a state is not just a function of the cards. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:11.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | It depends on, if you will, the path of play, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:15.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but only to the extent that it's captured | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:19.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in the belief distributions. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:22.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So that's why it's not as simple | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:16:23.720 |
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