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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but then they cease to look good in the large. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:05.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And we've also seen that there are a lot of techniques | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:07.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that look superior in theory. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:10.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And I really mean in terms of convergence rates, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:13.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | like first order methods, better convergence rates, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:16.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | like the CFR based algorithms, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:18.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | yet the CFR based algorithms are the fastest in practice. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:20.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So it really tells me that you have to test this in reality. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:24.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | The theory isn't tight enough, if you will, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:28.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to tell you which algorithms are better than the others. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:30.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And you have to look at these things in the large, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:34.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | because any sort of projections you do from the small | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:38.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | can at least in this domain be very misleading. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:41.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So that's kind of from a kind of a science | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:43.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and engineering perspective, from a personal perspective, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:46.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | it's been just a wild experience | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:49.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in that with the first poker competition, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:51.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the first brains versus AI, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:54.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | man machine poker competition that we organized. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:57.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | There had been, by the way, for other poker games, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:59.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | there had been previous competitions, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:01.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but this was for Heads Up No Limit, this was the first. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:03.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And I probably became the most hated person | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:06.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in the world of poker. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:09.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And I didn't mean to, I just saw. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:10.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Why is that? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:12.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | For cracking the game, for something. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:13.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, a lot of people felt that it was a real threat | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:15.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to the whole game, the whole existence of the game. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:20.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | If AI becomes better than humans, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:22.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | people would be scared to play poker | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:26.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | because there are these superhuman AIs running around | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:28.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | taking their money and all of that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:30.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So I just, it's just really aggressive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:32.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | The comments were super aggressive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:36.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I got everything just short of death threats. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:37.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Do you think the same was true for chess? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:40.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Because right now they just completed | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:44.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the world championships in chess, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:45.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and humans just started ignoring the fact | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:47.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that there's AI systems now that outperform humans | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:49.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and they still enjoy the game, it's still a beautiful game. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:52.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That's what I think. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:55.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And I think the same thing happens in poker. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:56.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And so I didn't think of myself | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:40:58.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | as somebody who was gonna kill the game, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:01.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and I don't think I did. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:02.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I've really learned to love this game. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:03.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I wasn't a poker player before, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:05.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but learned so many nuances about it from these AIs, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:06.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and they've really changed how the game is played, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:10.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | by the way. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:12.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So they have these very Martian ways of playing poker, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:13.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and the top humans are now incorporating | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:16.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | those types of strategies into their own play. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:18.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So if anything, to me, our work has made poker | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:21.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | a richer, more interesting game for humans to play, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:26.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | not something that is gonna steer humans | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:29.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | away from it entirely. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:32.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Just a quick comment on something you said, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:34.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which is, if I may say so, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:35.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in academia is a little bit rare sometimes. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:39.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | It's pretty brave to put your ideas to the test | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:42.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in the way you described, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:45.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | saying that sometimes good ideas don't work | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:47.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | when you actually try to apply them at scale. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:49.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So where does that come from? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:52.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I mean, if you could do advice for people, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:54.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | what drives you in that sense? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:41:58.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Were you always this way? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:00.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I mean, it takes a brave person. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:02.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I guess is what I'm saying, to test their ideas | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:04.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and to see if this thing actually works | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:06.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | against human top human players and so on. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:08.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, I don't know about brave, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:11.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but it takes a lot of work. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:12.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | It takes a lot of work and a lot of time | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:15.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to organize, to make something big | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:18.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and to organize an event and stuff like that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:20.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And what drives you in that effort? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:22.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Because you could still, I would argue, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:24.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | get a best paper award at NIPS as you did in 17 | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:26.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | without doing this. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:30.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That's right, yes. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:31.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And so in general, I believe it's very important | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:32.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to do things in the real world and at scale. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:37.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And that's really where the pudding, if you will, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:41.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | proof is in the pudding, that's where it is. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:46.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | In this particular case, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:48.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | it was kind of a competition between different groups | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:50.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and for many years as to who can be the first one | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:55.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to beat the top humans at Heads Up No Limit, Texas Holdem. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:42:59.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So it became kind of like a competition who can get there. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:02.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, so a little friendly competition | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:09.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | could do wonders for progress. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:11.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yes, absolutely. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:14.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So the topic of mechanism design, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:16.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | which is really interesting, also kind of new to me, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:19.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | except as an observer of, I don't know, politics and any, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:22.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I'm an observer of mechanisms, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:43:25.680 |
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