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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And then there's a question of which equilibrium to select. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:29:46.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So, and if you select your strategy | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:29:50.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | from a different equilibrium and I select mine, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:29:52.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | then what does that mean? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:29:57.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And in these non zero sum games, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:29:59.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | we may lose some joint benefit | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:02.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | by being just simply stupid. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:05.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | We could actually both be better off | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:07.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | if we did something else. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:08.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And in three player, you get other problems | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:09.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | also like collusion. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:11.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Like maybe you and I can gang up on a third player | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:13.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and we can do radically better by colluding. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:16.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So there are lots of issues that come up there. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:19.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So Noah Brown, the student you work with on this | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:22.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | has mentioned, I looked through the AMA on Reddit. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:25.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | He mentioned that the ability of poker players | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:29.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to collaborate will make the game. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:31.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | He was asked the question of, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:33.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how would you make the game of poker, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:35.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or both of you were asked the question, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:37.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how would you make the game of poker | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:39.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | beyond being solvable by current AI methods? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:41.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And he said that there's not many ways | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:47.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | of making poker more difficult, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:50.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but a collaboration or cooperation between players | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:53.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | would make it extremely difficult. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:57.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So can you provide the intuition behind why that is, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:30:59.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | if you agree with that idea? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:03.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, so I've done a lot of work on coalitional games | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:05.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and we actually have a paper here | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:10.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | with my other student Gabriele Farina | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:11.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and some other collaborators at NIPS on that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:13.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Actually just came back from the poster session | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:16.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | where we presented this. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:18.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But so when you have a collusion, it's a different problem. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:19.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And it typically gets even harder then. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:23.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Even the game representations, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:27.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | some of the game representations don't really allow | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:29.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | good computation. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:33.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So we actually introduced a new game representation | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:34.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | for that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:37.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Is that kind of cooperation part of the model? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:38.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Are you, do you have, do you have information | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:42.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | about the fact that other players are cooperating | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:44.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or is it just this chaos that where nothing is known? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:47.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So there's some things unknown. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:50.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Can you give an example of a collusion type game | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:52.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or is it usually? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:55.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So like bridge. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:56.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So think about bridge. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:58.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | It's like when you and I are on a team, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:31:59.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | our payoffs are the same. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:02.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | The problem is that we can't talk. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:04.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So when I get my cards, I can't whisper to you | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:06.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | what my cards are. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:09.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That would not be allowed. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:10.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So we have to somehow coordinate our strategies | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:12.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | ahead of time and only ahead of time. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:16.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And then there's certain signals we can talk about, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:19.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but they have to be such that the other team | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:22.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | also understands them. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:25.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So that's an example where the coordination | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:26.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | is already built into the rules of the game. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:30.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But in many other situations like auctions | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:33.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or negotiations or diplomatic relationships, poker, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:35.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | it's not really built in, but it still can be very helpful | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:40.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | for the colluders. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:44.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I've read you write somewhere, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:45.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the negotiations you come to the table with prior, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:48.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | like a strategy that you're willing to do | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:52.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and not willing to do those kinds of things. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:56.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So how do you start to now moving away from poker, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:32:58.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | moving beyond poker into other applications | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:01.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | like negotiations, how do you start applying this | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:04.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to other domains, even real world domains | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:07.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that you've worked on? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:11.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, I actually have two startup companies | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:12.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | doing exactly that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:14.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | One is called Strategic Machine, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:15.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and that's for kind of business applications, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:17.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | gaming, sports, all sorts of things like that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:20.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Any applications of this to business and to sports | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:22.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and to gaming, to various types of things | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:27.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in finance, electricity markets and so on. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:32.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And the other is called Strategy Robot, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:34.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | where we are taking these to military security, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:36.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | cyber security and intelligence applications. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:40.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I think you worked a little bit in, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:43.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how do you put it, advertisement, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:48.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | sort of suggesting ads kind of thing, auction. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:51.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That's another company, optimized markets. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:55.360 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But that's much more about a combinatorial market | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:33:57.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and optimization based technology. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:00.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That's not using these game theoretic reasoning technologies. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:02.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I see, okay, so what sort of high level | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:06.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | do you think about our ability to use | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:11.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | game theoretic concepts to model human behavior? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:15.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Do you think human behavior is amenable | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:18.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to this kind of modeling outside of the poker games, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:21.640 |
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