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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and where have you seen it done successfully in your work? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:24.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I'm not sure the goal really is modeling humans. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:27.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Like for example, if I'm playing a zero sum game, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:33.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I don't really care that the opponent | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:36.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | is actually following my model of rational behavior, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:39.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | because if they're not, that's even better for me. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:42.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Right, so see with the opponents in games, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:46.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the prerequisite is that you formalize | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:51.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the interaction in some way | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:56.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that can be amenable to analysis. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:34:57.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And you've done this amazing work with mechanism design, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:01.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | designing games that have certain outcomes. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:04.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But, so I'll tell you an example | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:10.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | from my world of autonomous vehicles, right? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:12.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | We're studying pedestrians, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:15.460 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and pedestrians and cars negotiate | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:17.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in this nonverbal communication. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:20.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | There's this weird game dance of tension | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:22.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | where pedestrians are basically saying, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:25.040 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I trust that you won't kill me, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:27.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and so as a jaywalker, I will step onto the road | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:28.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | even though I'm breaking the law, and there's this tension. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:31.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And the question is, we really don't know | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:34.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how to model that well in trying to model intent. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:36.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And so people sometimes bring up ideas | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:40.720 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | of game theory and so on. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:43.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Do you think that aspect of human behavior | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:44.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | can use these kinds of imperfect information approaches, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:49.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | modeling, how do you start to attack a problem like that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:53.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | when you don't even know how to design the game | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:35:57.860 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to describe the situation in order to solve it? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:00.940 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Okay, so I haven't really thought about jaywalking, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:04.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but one thing that I think could be a good application | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:06.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in autonomous vehicles is the following. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:10.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So let's say that you have fleets of autonomous cars | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:13.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | operating by different companies. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:16.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So maybe here's the Waymo fleet and here's the Uber fleet. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:18.340 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | If you think about the rules of the road, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:22.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | they define certain legal rules, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:24.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | but that still leaves a huge strategy space open. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:26.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Like as a simple example, when cars merge, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:30.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | how humans merge, they slow down and look at each other | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:32.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and try to merge. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:36.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Wouldn't it be better if these situations | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:39.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | would already be prenegotiated | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:40.920 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | so we can actually merge at full speed | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:43.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and we know that this is the situation, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:45.200 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | this is how we do it, and it's all gonna be faster. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:47.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But there are way too many situations to negotiate manually. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:50.540 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So you could use automated negotiation, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:54.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | this is the idea at least, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:56.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | you could use automated negotiation | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:57.780 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to negotiate all of these situations | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:36:59.840 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or many of them in advance. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:02.060 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And of course it might be that, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:04.320 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | hey, maybe you're not gonna always let me go first. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:05.460 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Maybe you said, okay, well, in these situations, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:09.180 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I'll let you go first, but in exchange, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:11.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | you're gonna give me too much, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:13.560 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | you're gonna let me go first in this situation. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:14.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So it's this huge combinatorial negotiation. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:17.260 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And do you think there's room in that example of merging | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:20.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to model this whole situation | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:24.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | as an imperfect information game | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:25.600 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | or do you really want to consider it to be a perfect? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:27.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | No, that's a good question, yeah. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:30.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | That's a good question. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:32.240 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Do you pay the price of assuming | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:33.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that you don't know everything? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:37.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, I don't know. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:39.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | It's certainly much easier. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:40.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Games with perfect information are much easier. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:42.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So if you can't get away with it, you should. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:45.060 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But if the real situation is of imperfect information, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:49.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | then you're gonna have to deal with imperfect information. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:52.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Great, so what lessons have you learned | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:55.160 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | the Annual Computer Poker Competition? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:37:58.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | An incredible accomplishment of AI. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:00.680 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | You look at the history of Deep Blue, AlphaGo, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:03.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | these kind of moments when AI stepped up | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:07.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | in an engineering effort and a scientific effort combined | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:10.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to beat the best of human players. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:13.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So what do you take away from this whole experience? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:16.400 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | What have you learned about designing AI systems | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:19.480 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that play these kinds of games? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:22.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And what does that mean for AI in general, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:23.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | for the future of AI development? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:28.280 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Yeah, so that's a good question. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:30.760 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | So there's so much to say about it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:32.800 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | I do like this type of performance oriented research. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:35.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | Although in my group, we go all the way from like idea | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:39.120 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to theory, to experiments, to big system building, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:42.000 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | to commercialization, so we span that spectrum. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:44.880 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | But I think that in a lot of situations in AI, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:47.960 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | you really have to build the big systems | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:51.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | and evaluate them at scale | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:53.440 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | before you know what works and doesn't. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:55.640 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | And we've seen that in the computational | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:38:57.520 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | game theory community, that there are a lot of techniques | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:00.080 |
Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12 | that look good in the small, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0012-large.html#00:39:02.880 |
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