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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
obstacles, whether there are other agents,
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people in the environment.
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These are all things that we perceive very quickly.
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And it's something actually quite close to being conscious,
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not quite.
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But there is this interesting experiment
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that was run at Google X, which is in a sense
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is just a virtual reality experiment,
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but in which they had a subject sitting, say,
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in a chair with goggles, like Oculus and so on, earphones.
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And they were seeing through the eyes of a robot
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nearby to cameras, microphones for receiving.
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So their sensory system was there.
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And the impression of all the subject, very strong,
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they could not shake it off, was that they
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were where the robot was.
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They could look at themselves from the robot
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and still feel they were where the robot is.
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They were looking at their body.
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Theirself had moved.
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So some aspect of scene understanding
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has to have ability to place yourself,
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have a self awareness about your position in the world
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and what the world is.
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So we may have to solve the hard problem of consciousness
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to solve it.
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On their way, yes.
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It's quite a moonshine.
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So you've been an advisor to some incredible minds,
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including Demis Hassabis, Krzysztof Koch, Amna Shashua,
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like you said.
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All went on to become seminal figures
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in their respective fields.
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From your own success as a researcher
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and from perspective as a mentor of these researchers,
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having guided them in the way of advice,
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what does it take to be successful in science
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and engineering careers?
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Whether you're talking to somebody in their teens,
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20s, and 30s, what does that path look like?
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It's curiosity and having fun.
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And I think it's important also having
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fun with other curious minds.
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It's the people you surround with too,
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so fun and curiosity.
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Is there, you mentioned Steve Jobs,
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is there also an underlying ambition
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that's unique that you saw?
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Or does it really does boil down
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to insatiable curiosity and fun?
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Well of course, it's being curious
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in an active and ambitious way, yes.
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Definitely.
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But I think sometime in science,
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there are friends of mine who are like this.
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There are some of the scientists
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like to work by themselves
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and kind of communicate only when they complete their work
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or discover something.
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I think I always found the actual process
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of discovering something is more fun
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if it's together with other intelligent
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and curious and fun people.
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So if you see the fun in that process,
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the side effect of that process
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will be that you'll actually end up
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discovering some interesting things.
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So as you've led many incredible efforts here,
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what's the secret to being a good advisor,
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mentor, leader in a research setting?
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Is it a similar spirit?
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Or yeah, what advice could you give
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to people, young faculty and so on?
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It's partly repeating what I said
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about an environment that should be friendly
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and fun and ambitious.
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And I think I learned a lot
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from some of my advisors and friends
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and some who are physicists.
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And there was, for instance,
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this behavior that was encouraged
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of when somebody comes with a new idea in the group,
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you are, unless it's really stupid,
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but you are always enthusiastic.
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And then, and you're enthusiastic for a few minutes,
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for a few hours.
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Then you start asking critically a few questions,
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testing this.
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But this is a process that is,
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I think it's very good.
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You have to be enthusiastic.
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Sometimes people are very critical from the beginning.
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That's not...
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Yes, you have to give it a chance
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for that seed to grow.
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That said, with some of your ideas,
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which are quite revolutionary,
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so there's a witness, especially in the human vision side
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and neuroscience side,
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there could be some pretty heated arguments.
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