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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Do you enjoy these?
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Is that a part of science and academic pursuits
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
that you enjoy?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yeah.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Is that something that happens in your group as well?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yeah, absolutely.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
I also spent some time in Germany.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Again, there is this tradition
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in which people are more forthright,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
less kind than here.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
So in the U.S., when you write a bad letter,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
you still say, this guy's nice.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yes, yes.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
So...
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yeah, here in America, it's degrees of nice.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yes.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
It's all just degrees of nice, yeah.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Right, right.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
So as long as this does not become personal,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
and it's really like a football game
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
with these rules, that's great.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
That's fun.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
So if you somehow found yourself in a position
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
to ask one question of an oracle,
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like a genie, maybe a god,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
and you're guaranteed to get a clear answer,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
what kind of question would you ask?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
What would be the question you would ask?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
In the spirit of our discussion,
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it could be, how could I become 10 times more intelligent?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
And so, but see, you only get a clear short answer.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
So do you think there's a clear short answer to that?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
No.
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And that's the answer you'll get.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Okay, so you've mentioned Flowers of Algernon.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Oh, yeah.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
As a story that inspires you in your childhood,
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as this story of a mouse,
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human achieving genius level intelligence,
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and then understanding what was happening
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while slowly becoming not intelligent again,
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and this tragedy of gaining intelligence
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and losing intelligence,
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do you think in that spirit, in that story,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
do you think intelligence is a gift or a curse
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
from the perspective of happiness and meaning of life?
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You try to create an intelligent system
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that understands the universe,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
but on an individual level, the meaning of life,
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do you think intelligence is a gift?
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It's a good question.
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I don't know.
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As one of the, as one people consider
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the smartest people in the world,
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in some dimension, at the very least, what do you think?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
I don't know, it may be invariant to intelligence,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
that degree of happiness.
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It would be nice if it were.
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That's the hope.
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Yeah.
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You could be smart and happy and clueless and happy.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Yeah.
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As always, on the discussion of the meaning of life,
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
it's probably a good place to end.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Tommaso, thank you so much for talking today.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Thank you, this was great.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
The following is a conversation with Kyle Vogt.
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He's the president and the CTO of Cruise Automation,
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leading an effort to solve one of the biggest robotics challenges of our time,
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vehicle automation. He's a cofounder of two successful companies, Twitch
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and Cruise, that have each sold for a billion dollars.
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And he's a great example of the innovative spirit that flourishes
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in Silicon Valley, and now is facing an interesting and exciting challenge of
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matching that spirit with the mass production and the safety centric
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culture of a major automaker like General Motors. This conversation is
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part of the MIT Artificial General Intelligence series
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and the Artificial Intelligence podcast. If you enjoy it,
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please subscribe on YouTube, iTunes, or simply connect with me on Twitter
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
at Lex Friedman, spelled F R I D. And now here's my conversation with Kyle Vogt.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
You grew up in Kansas, right? Yeah, and I just saw that picture you had hidden
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over there, so I'm a little bit a little bit worried about that now.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
Yeah, so in high school in Kansas City, you joined Shawnee Mission
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North high school robotics team. Yeah. Now that wasn't your high school.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
That's right, that was that was the only high school in the area that had a
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like a teacher who was willing to sponsor our first robotics team.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
I was gonna troll you a little bit. Jog your memory a little bit.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
Yeah, I was trying to look super cool and intense, because you know this
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was BattleBots. This is serious business. So we're standing there with a welded
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steel frame and looking tough. So go back there. What is that drew you
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to robotics? Well, I think I've been trying to figure
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this out for a while, but I've always liked building things with Legos. And
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when I was really, really young, I wanted the Legos that had motors and
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other things. And then, you know, Lego Mindstorms came out, and for the
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first time you could program Lego contraptions. And I think things
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just sort of snowballed from that. But I remember
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seeing, you know, the BattleBots TV show on Comedy Central and thinking that is
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the coolest thing in the world. I want to be a part of that.
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And not knowing a whole lot about how to build these
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200 pound fighting robots. So I sort of obsessively poured over
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the internet forums where all the creators for BattleBots would sort of
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