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Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | education and a different model of what they're trying to do will develop those concepts. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:48:56.200 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I guess if you could comment on another way to put this concept is, I think the kind of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:07.920 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | functions that neural networks provide is things as opposed to being able to upfront | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:17.240 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | prove that this should work for all cases you throw at it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:23.480 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | All you're able, it's the worst case analysis versus average case analysis. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:28.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | All you're able to say is it seems on everything we've tested to work 99.9% of the time, but | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:32.320 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | we can't guarantee it and it fails in unexpected ways. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:39.800 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | We can't even give you examples of how it fails in unexpected ways, but it's like really | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:44.160 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | good most of the time. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:48.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Is there no room for that in current ways we think about programming? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:49:50.120 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | programming 1.0 is actually sort of getting to that point too, where the sort of the ideal | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:00.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | of a bug free program has been abandoned long ago by most software developers. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:11.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | We only care about bugs that manifest themselves often enough to be annoying. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:21.120 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And we're willing to take the occasional crash or outage or incorrect result for granted | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:30.120 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | because we can't possibly, we don't have enough programmers to make all the code bug free | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:40.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | and it would be an incredibly tedious business. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:47.600 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And if you try to throw formal methods at it, it becomes even more tedious. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:50.200 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So every once in a while the user clicks on a link and somehow they get an error and the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:50:56.320 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | average user doesn't panic. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:05.520 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | They just click again and see if it works better the second time, which often magically | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:07.360 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | it does, or they go up and they try some other way of performing their tasks. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:14.840 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So that's sort of an end to end recovery mechanism and inside systems there is all | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:21.600 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | sorts of retries and timeouts and fallbacks and I imagine that that sort of biological | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:29.880 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | systems are even more full of that because otherwise they wouldn't survive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:39.120 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Do you think programming should be taught and thought of as exactly what you just said? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:46.320 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I come from this kind of, you're always denying that fact always. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:51:54.160 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | In sort of basic programming education, the sort of the programs you're having students | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:01.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | write are so small and simple that if there is a bug you can always find it and fix it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:12.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Because the sort of programming as it's being taught in some, even elementary, middle schools, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:23.480 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | in high school, introduction to programming classes in college typically, it's programming | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:29.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | in the small. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:36.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Very few classes sort of actually teach software engineering, building large systems. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:38.920 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Every summer here at Dropbox we have a large number of interns. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:47.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Every tech company on the West Coast has the same thing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:51.360 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | These interns are always amazed because this is the first time in their life that they | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:52:56.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | see what goes on in a really large software development environment. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:02.520 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Everything they've learned in college was almost always about a much smaller scale and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:12.920 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | somehow that difference in scale makes a qualitative difference in how you do things and how you | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:20.280 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | think about it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:27.840 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | If you then take a few steps back into decades, 70s and 80s, when you were first thinking | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:29.600 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | about Python or just that world of programming languages, did you ever think that there would | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:36.300 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | be systems as large as underlying Google, Facebook, and Dropbox? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:41.840 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Did you, when you were thinking about Python? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:46.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I was actually always caught by surprise by sort of this, yeah, pretty much every stage | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:51.440 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | of computing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:57.520 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So maybe just because you've spoken in other interviews, but I think the evolution of programming | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:53:59.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | languages are fascinating and it's especially because it leads from my perspective towards | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:07.280 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | greater and greater degrees of intelligence. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:13.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I learned the first programming language I played with in Russia was with the Turtle | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:15.640 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | logo. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:21.880 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Logo, yeah. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:22.880 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And if you look, I just have a list of programming languages, all of which I've now played with | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:24.840 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | a little bit. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:29.960 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I mean, they're all beautiful in different ways from Fortran, Cobalt, Lisp, Algol 60, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:30.960 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Basic, Logo again, C, as a few, the object oriented came along in the 60s, Simula, Pascal, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:36.640 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Smalltalk. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:46.160 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | All of that leads. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:47.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | They're all the classics. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:48.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | The classics. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:49.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Yeah. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:50.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | The classic hits, right? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:51.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Steam, that's built on top of Lisp. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:52.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | On the database side, SQL, C++, and all of that leads up to Python, Pascal too, and that's | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:54:58.280 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | before Python, MATLAB, these kind of different communities, different languages. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:05.900 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So can you talk about that world? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:10.960 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I know that sort of Python came out of ABC, which I actually never knew that language. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:13.240 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I just, having researched this conversation, went back to ABC and it looks remarkably, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:18.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | it has a lot of annoying qualities, but underneath those, like all caps and so on, but underneath | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:24.400 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | that, there's elements of Python that are quite, they're already there. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:31.240 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | That's where I got all the good stuff. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:35.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | All the good stuff. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:37.540 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So, but in that world, you're swimming these programming languages, were you focused on | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:38.540 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | just the good stuff in your specific circle, or did you have a sense of what is everyone | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:41.580 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | chasing? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:48.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | You said that every programming language is built to scratch an itch. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:49.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Were you aware of all the itches in the community? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:57.000 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And if not, or if yes, I mean, what itch were you trying to scratch with Python? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:55:59.920 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Well, I'm glad I wasn't aware of all the itches because I would probably not have been able | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:05.080 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | to do anything. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:12.040 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I mean, if you're trying to solve every problem at once, you'll solve nothing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:14.040 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Well, yeah, it's too overwhelming. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:19.760 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And so I had a very, very focused problem. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:23.880 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I wanted a programming language that sat somewhere in between shell scripting and C. And now, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:28.360 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | arguably, there is like, one is higher level, one is lower level. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:41.880 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And Python is sort of a language of an intermediate level, although it's still pretty much at | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:48.720 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | the high level end. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:56:56.760 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | I was thinking about much more about, I want a tool that I can use to be more productive | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:00.560 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | as a programmer in a very specific environment. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:11.200 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And I also had given myself a time budget for the development of the tool. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:16.640 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And that was sort of about three months for both the design, like thinking through what | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:22.280 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | are all the features of the language syntactically and semantically, and how do I implement the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:29.340 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | whole pipeline from parsing the source code to executing it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:38.900 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So I think both with the timeline and the goals, it seems like productivity was at the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:43.680 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | core of it as a goal. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:51.440 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | So like, for me in the 90s, and the first decade of the 21st century, I was always doing | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:57:54.040 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | machine learning, AI programming for my research was always in C++. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:58:01.280 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | And then the other people who are a little more mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:58:07.620 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | are MATLABby. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:58:14.240 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | They're a little bit more MATLAB focused. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:58:15.240 |
Guido van Rossum: Python | Lex Fridman Podcast #6 | Those are the world, and maybe a little bit Java too. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0006-large.html#00:58:18.520 |
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