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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
But you said that voice also for,
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I think this is a programmer situation too,
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where sometimes the devil on the shoulder
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is a little too loud.
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So you're a little too self critical
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for a lot of developers,
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and especially when you have introverted personality.
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How do you struggle with a self criticism
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or the criticism of others?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So one of the things of leadership
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is to do something that's potentially unpopular
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or where people doubt you
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and you still go through with the decision.
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So what's that balance like?
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I think you have to walk people
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through your decision making, right?
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Like you have to, this is where blogging
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is really important and communication is so important.
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Again, code language is just another kind of code.
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It's like, here is the program
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by which I arrived at the conclusion
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that I'm gonna reach, right?
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It's one thing to say like,
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this is a decision, it's final, deal with it, right?
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That's not usually satisfying to people.
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But if you say, look,
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we've been thinking about this problem for a while.
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Here's some stuff that's happened.
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Here's what we think is right.
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Here's our goals.
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Here's what we wanna achieve.
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And we've looked at these options
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and we think this available options is the best option.
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People will be like, oh, okay, right?
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Maybe I don't totally agree with you,
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but I can kind of see where you're coming from
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and I see it's not just arbitrary decision
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delivered from a cloud of flames in the sky, right?
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It's like a human trying to reach
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some kind of consensus about goals.
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And their goals might be different than yours.
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That's completely legit, right?
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But if you're making that clear, it's like,
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oh, well, the reason we don't agree
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is because we have totally different goals, right?
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Like, how could we agree?
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It's not that you're a bad person.
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It's that we have radically different goals in mind
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when we started looking at this problem.
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And the other one you said is passion.
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So, or hard work, sorry.
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Well, those are tied together in my mind.
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Let's say hard work and passion.
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Like for me, like I just really love
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the problem discourse is setting out to solve
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because in a way it's like,
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there's a vision of the world
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where it all devolves into Facebook
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basically owning everything and every aspect
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of human communication, right?
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And this has always been kind of a scary world for me.
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First, cause I don't,
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I think Facebook is really good at execution.
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I got to compliment them.
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They're very competent in terms of what they're doing,
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but Facebook has not much of a moral compass
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in terms of Facebook cares about Facebook, really.
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They don't really care about you and your problems.
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What they care about is how big they can make Facebook,
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right?
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Is that you talking about the company
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or just the mechanism of how Facebook works?
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Kind of both really, right?
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Like, and the idea with discourse,
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the reason I'm so passionate about it
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is cause I believe every community
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should have the right to own themselves, right?
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Like they should have their own software that they can run
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that belongs to them.
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That's their space where they can set the rules.
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And if they don't like it,
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they can move to different hosting or,
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you know, whatever they need to happen can happen.
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But like this idea of a company town
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where all human communication is implicitly owned
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by WhatsApp, Instagram, and Facebook.
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And it's really disturbing too,
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cause Facebook is really smart.
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Like I said, they're great at execution.
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Buying in WhatsApp and buying Instagram
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were incredibly smart decisions.
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And they also do this thing, I don't know if you know,
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but they have this VPN software
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that they give away for free on smartphones
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and it indirectly feeds all the data
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about the traffic back to Facebook.
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So they can see what's actually getting popular
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through the VPNs, right?
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They have low level access to the network data
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because users have let them have that.
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