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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
and oh, wow, you know, did you know
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tree frogs only live three years?
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I mean, I just made that up.
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I don't know if that's true.
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But I didn't really set out to learn that.
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I don't need to know that, right?
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It's accidental learning.
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It was more intentional learning where you're like,
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okay, I have a problem.
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And I want to learn about stuff
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around this problem having, right?
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And it could be theory, it could be compiler theory,
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it could be other stuff, but I'm having a compiler problem.
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Hence, I need to know the compiler theory,
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that aspect of it that gets me to my answer, right?
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So kind of a directed learning.
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So we had to backfill all these rules
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as we sort of figured out what the heck it was we were doing.
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And the system came very strict over time.
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And a lot of people still complain about that.
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And I wrote my latest blog entry,
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what does Stack Overflow want to be when it grows up?
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Celebrating the 10 year anniversary, yeah.
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Yeah, so 10 years.
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And the system has trended towards strictness.
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There's a variety of reasons for this.
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One is people don't like to see other people
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get reputation for stuff as they view as frivolous,
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which I can actually understand.
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Because if you saw a programmer got like 500 upvotes
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for funniest programming cartoon
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or funniest comment they had seen in code,
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it's like, well, why do they have that reputation?
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Is it because they wrote the joke?
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Probably not.
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I mean, if they did, maybe, or the cartoon, right?
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They're getting a bunch of reputation
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based on someone else's work that's not even programming.
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It's just a joke, right?
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It's related to programming.
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So you begin to resent that.
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You're like, well, that's not fair.
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And it isn't.
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At some level, they're correct.
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I mean, I empathize.
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Because it's not correct to get reputation for that.
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Versus here's a really gnarly regular expression problem.
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And here's a really clever, insightful, detailed answer
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laying out, oh, here's why you're
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seeing the behavior that you're seeing.
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Here, let me teach you some things about how
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to avoid that in the future.
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That's great.
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That's gold, right?
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You want people to get reputation for that,
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not so much for, wow, look at this funny thing I saw, right?
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Great.
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So there's this very specific Q&A format.
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And then take me through the journey towards discourse
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and Facebook and Twitter.
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So you started at the beginning that Stack Overflow
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evolved to have a purpose.
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So what is discourse, this passion
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you have for creating community for discussion?
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When was that born and how?
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Well, part of it is based on the realization
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that Stack Overflow is only good for very specific subjects
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where it's based on data, facts, and science,
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where answers can be kind of verified to be true.
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Another form of that is there's the book of knowledge,
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like the tome of knowledge that defines whatever it is.
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You can refer to that book and it'll give you the answer.
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There has to be, it only works on subjects
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where there's like semi clear answers to things
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that can be verified in some form.
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Now again, there's always more than one way to do it.
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There's complete flexibility and system around that.
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But where it falls down is stuff like poker and LEGO.
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Like we had, if you go to stackexchange.com,
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we have an engine that tries to launch
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different Q&A topics, right?
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And people can propose Q&A topics, sample questions,
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and if it gets enough support within the network,
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we launched that Q&A site.
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So some of the ones we launched were poker and LEGO
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and they did horribly, right?
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Because I mean, they might still be there lingering on
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in some form, but it was an experiment.
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This is like a test, right?
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And some subjects work super well on the stack engine
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and some don't.
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But the reason LEGO and poker don't work
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is because they're so social, really.
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It's not about what's the rule here in poker.
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It's like, well, what kind of cigars
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do we like to smoke while playing poker?
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Or what's a cool set of cards to use when I'm playing poker?
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Or what's some strategies?
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Say I have this hand come up with some strategies
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I could use.
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