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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
in a community?
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Is it luck, skill, timing, persistence?
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What is, is it the tools, like discourse,
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that empower that community?
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What's the key aspect of starting for one guy or gal
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and then building it to two and then 10
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and a hundred and a thousand and so on?
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I think when you're starting with an N of one,
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I mean, I think it's persistence
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and also you have to be interesting.
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Like somebody I really admire once said something
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that I always liked about blogging.
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He's like, here's how you blog.
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You have to have something interesting to say
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and have an interesting way of saying it, right?
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And then do that for like 10 years.
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So that's the genesis,
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is like you have to have sort of something interesting
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to say that's not exactly what everybody else is saying
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and an interesting way of saying it,
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which is another way of saying,
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kind of entertaining way of saying it.
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And then as far as growing it, it's like ritual.
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You know, like you have to, like say you're starting a blog,
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you have to say, look, I'm gonna blog every week,
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three times a week,
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and you have to stick to that schedule, right?
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Because until you do that for like several years,
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you're never gonna get anywhere.
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Like it just takes years to get to where you need to get to.
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And part of that is having the discipline
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to stick with the schedule.
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And it helps, again, if it's something you're passionate
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about, this won't feel like work.
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You're like, I love this.
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I could talk about this all day, every day, right?
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You just have to do it in a way
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that's interesting to other people.
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And then as you're growing the community,
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that pattern of participation within the community
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of like generating these artifacts
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and inviting other people to help you
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like collaborate on these artifacts,
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like even in the case of blogging,
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like I felt in the early days of my blog,
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which I started in 2004,
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which is really the genesis of Stack Overflow.
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If you look at all my blog, it leads up to Stack Overflow,
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which was, I have all this energy in my blog,
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but I don't, like 40,000 people were subscribing to me.
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And I was like, I wanna do something.
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And then I met Joel and said, hey, Joel,
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I wanna do something,
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take this ball of energy from my blog and do something.
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And all the people reading my blog saw that.
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It's like, oh, cool.
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You're involving us.
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You're saying, look, you're part of this community.
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Let's build this thing together.
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Like they pick the name.
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Like we voted on the name for Stack Overflow on my blog.
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Like we came up, and naming is super hard.
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First of all, the hardest problem in computer science
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is coming up with a good name for stuff, right?
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But you can go back to my blog.
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There's the poll where we voted
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and Stack Overflow became the name of the site.
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And all the early beta users of Stack Overflow
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were audience of my blog plus Joel's blog, right?
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So we started from, like, if you look at the genesis,
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okay, I was just a programmer who said,
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hey, I love programming,
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but I have no outlet to talk about it.
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So I'm just gonna blog about it,
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because I don't have enough people to work
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to talk to about it.
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Because at the time I worked a place where,
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you know, programming wasn't the core output
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of the company, it was a pharmaceutical company.
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And I just love this stuff, you know, to an absurd degree.
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So I was like, I'll just blog about it.
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And then I'll find an audience
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and eventually found an audience,
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eventually found Joel,
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and eventually built Stack Overflow
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from that one core of activity, right?
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But it was that repetition of feeding back in feedback
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from my blog comments, feedback from Joel,
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feedback from the early Stack Overflow community.
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When people see that you're doing that,
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they will follow along with you, right?
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They'll say, cool, you're here in good faith.
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You're actually, you know, not listening to everything
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because that's impossible, that's impossible.
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But you're actually, you know,
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waiting our feedback and what you're doing.
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And why wouldn't I?
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Because who does all the work on Stack Overflow?
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Me, Joel?
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No, it's the other programmers
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