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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
that are doing all the work.
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So you gotta have some respect for that.
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And then, you know, discipline around,
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
look, you know, we're trying to do a very specific thing
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here on Stack Overflow.
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We're not trying to solve all the world's problems.
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We're trying to solve this very specific Q and A problem
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in a very specific way.
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Not cause we're jerks about it,
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but because these strict set of rules
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help us get really good results, right?
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And programmers, that's an easy sell for the most part
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because programmers are used to dealing
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with ridiculous systems of rules like constantly.
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That's basically their job.
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So they're very, oh yeah, super strict system of rules
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that lets me get what I want.
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That's programming, right?
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That's what Stack Overflow is, so.
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So you're making it sound easy,
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
but in 2004, let's go back there.
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In 2004, you started the blog, Coding Horror.
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Was it called that at the very beginning?
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It was.
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One of the smart things I did,
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it's from a book by Steve McConnell, Code Complete,
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which is one of my favorite programming books,
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still probably my number one programming book
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for anyone to read.
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So one of the smart things I did back then,
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I don't always do smart things when I start stuff.
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I contacted Steve and said, hey, I really like this.
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It was a sidebar illustration
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indicating danger in code, right?
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Coding Horror was like, watch out.
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And I love that illustration because it spoke to me.
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Because I saw that illustration go, oh my God, that's me.
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Like I'm always my own worst enemy.
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Like that's the key insight in programming is
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every time you write something,
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think how am I gonna screw myself?
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Because you will, constantly, right?
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So that icon was like, oh yeah,
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I need to constantly hold that mirror up and look,
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and say, look, you're very fallible.
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You're gonna screw this up.
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Like how can you build this in such a way
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that you're not gonna screw it up later?
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Like how can you get that discipline around
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making sure at every step I'm thinking through
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all the things that I could do wrong
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or that other people could do wrong?
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Because that is actually how you get to be
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a better programmer a lot of times, right?
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So that sidebar illustration, I loved it so much.
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And I wrote Steve before I started my blog and said,
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hey, can I have permission to use this
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because I just really like this illustration?
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And Steve was kind enough to give me permission to do that
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and just continues to give me permission, so yeah.
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Really, that's awesome.
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But in 2004, you started this blog.
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You know, you look at Stephen King, his book on writing,
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or Stephen Pressfield, War of Art book.
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I mean, it seems like writers suffer.
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I mean, it's a hard process of writing, right?
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There's gonna be suffering.
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I mean, I won't kid you.
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Well, the work is suffering, right?
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Like doing the work, like even when you're every week,
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you're like, okay, that blog post wasn't very good
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or people didn't like it or people said disparaging things
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about it.
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You have to like have the attitude like, you know,
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no matter what happens, I wanna do this for me, right?
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It's not about you, it's about me.
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I mean, in the end, it is about everyone
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because this is how good work gets out into the world.
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But you have to be pretty strict about saying like,
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you know, I'm selfish in the sense
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that I have to do this for me.
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You know, you mentioned Stephen King,
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like his book on writing.
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But like one of the things I do, for example,
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when writing is like, I read it out loud.
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One of the best pieces of advice for writing anything
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is read it out loud, like multiple times
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and make it sound like you're talking
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because that is the goal of good writing.
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It should sound like you said it
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with slightly better phrasing
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because you have more time to think about what you're saying
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but like, it should sound natural when you say it.
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And I think that's probably the single best
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writing advice I can give anyone.
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Just read it over and over out loud,
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make sure it sounds like something you would normally say
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and it sounds good.
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And what's your process of writing?
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See, there's usually a pretty good idea
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