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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
is the genesis of pretty much all interest communities.
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I just really love this stuff.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So like for me, for example, there's yo yos, right?
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Like I'm into the yo yo communities.
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And these interest communities
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are just really fascinating to me.
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And I feel more connected to the yo yo communities
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than I do to friends that I don't see that often, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Like to me, the powerful thing is the interest graph.
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And Facebook kind of dabbles in the interest graph.
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I mean, they have groups,
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you can sign up for groups and stuff,
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but it's really about the relationship graph.
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Like this is my coworker, this is my relative,
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this is my friend, but not so much about the interest.
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So I think that's the linchpin
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of which forums and communities are built on
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that I personally love.
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Like I said, leadership is about passion, right?
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And being passionate about stuff
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is a really valid way to look at the world.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And I think it's a way a lot of stuff in the world
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gets done.
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Like I once had someone describe me as,
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he's like, Jeff, you're a guy who,
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you just get super passionate about a few things at a time,
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and you just go super deep in those things.
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And I was like, oh, that's kind of right.
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That's kind of what I do.
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I get into something and just be super into that
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for a couple of years or whatever,
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and just learn all I can about it,
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and go super deep in it.
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And that's how I enjoy experiencing the world, right?
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Like not being shallow on a bunch of things,
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but being really deep on a few things
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that I'm interested in.
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So forums kind of unlock that, right?
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And you don't want a world
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where everything belongs to Facebook, at least I don't.
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I want a world where communities can kind of own themselves,
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set their own norms, set their own rules,
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control the experience.
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Because community is also about ownership, right?
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Like if you're meeting at the Barnes and Noble every Thursday
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and Barnes and Noble says, get out of here,
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you guys don't buy enough books.
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Well, you know, you're kind of hosed, right?
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Barnes and Noble owns you, right?
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Like you can't.
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But if you have your own meeting space,
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you know, your own clubhouse,
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you can set your own rules,
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decide what you want to talk about there,
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and just really generate a lot better information
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than you could like hanging out at Barnes and Noble
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every Thursday at 3 p.m., right?
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So that's kind of the vision of Discourse,
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is a place where it's fully open source.
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You can take the software, you can install it anywhere,
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and, you know, you and a group of people
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can go deep on whatever it is that you're into.
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And this works for startups, right?
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Startups are a group of people
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who go super deep on a specific problem, right?
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And they want to talk to the community.
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It's like, well, install Discourse, right?
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That's what we do at Discourse.
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That's what I did at Stack Overflow.
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I spent a lot of time on Meta Stack Overflow,
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which is our internal, well, public community feedback site,
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and just experiencing what the users were experiencing,
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right, because they're the ones
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doing all the work in the system.
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And they had a lot of interesting feedback.
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And there's that 90, 10 rule of, like,
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90% of the feedback you get is not really actionable
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for a variety of reasons.
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It might be bad feedback, it might be crazy feedback,
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it might be feedback you just can't act on right now.
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But there's 10% of it that's like gold.
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It's like literally gold and diamonds,
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where it's like feedback of really good improvements
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to your core product that are not super hard to get to
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and actually make a lot of sense.
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And my favorite is about 5% of those stuff
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I didn't even see coming.
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It's like, oh my God, I never even thought of that.
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But that's a brilliant idea, right?
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And I can point to so many features of Stack Overflow
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that we derive from Meta Stack Overflow feedback
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and Meta discourse, right?
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Same exact principle of discourse, you know?
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We're getting ideas from the community.
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I was like, oh my God, I never thought of that,
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but that's fantastic, right?
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Like, I love that relationship with the community.
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From having built these communities,
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what have you learned about?
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What's the process of getting a critical mass of members
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